David Breaks Down His Debates with Conservatives | Surrounded Follow-Up

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I mean,
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Maddie,
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she thinks our country's been invaded.
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What do you think?
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You don't want dead Americans,
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you gotta stop the foreign invasion.
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For an invasion,
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that's ridiculous.
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Well,
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that's just,
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no,
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I just legitimately thought that was funny.
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I think it's a pile of,
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um,
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I can't say the rest of the things I want to say.
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It's not true.
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Just say it,
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David.
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That's a pile of horse shit.
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That's what it is.
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Yeah,
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no,
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100%.
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It's ridiculous.
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Alright,
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I'm here with a familiar face,
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David Mauricio.
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Welcome to the Surrounded follow up.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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We meet again.
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We do,
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we do indeed.
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When I saw you on the set of Surrounded,
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I can't remember what episode that was,
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uh,
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maybe
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Dave Rubin,
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you know,
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little did I know that I was gonna be seeing
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more of you,
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but,
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um,
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it's been cool to see the split.
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What is that experience with?
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been like so far?
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It's been really interesting,
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um,
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has definitely changed my perspective as well.
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Somebody who
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at times you can be in complete disagreement with,
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to be able to have a,
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I guess,
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deeper connection with them,
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discuss things apart from politics and really build
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somewhat of a friendship.
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I think it's been
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definitely opened my mind to
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talking to,
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I guess,
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Republicans in a different way than I did before.
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You said somewhat of a friendship.
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Does that mean there's still tension?
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You and Austin have some big,
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uh,
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big gaps of opinion.
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No,
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I just,
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I think no,
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for sure he's my friend,
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you know,
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but recently heard that he's not gonna vote for Jon Ossoff in Georgia,
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so that hurt,
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that hurt my feelings for sure.
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no,
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I mean,
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Ossoff,
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everybody's talking about him.
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That actually is,
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is good to bring up.
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So we're going into midterms.
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It's an interesting time politically.
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Um,
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and then we're gonna react to some clips from your episode of Surrounded.
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Austin debated the liberals.
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You debated the conservatives.
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What was your mindset,
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you know,
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like going into this episode?
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What was,
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what were you thinking about knowing that this is like leading into,
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uh,
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a significant election?
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I wanted to try and make an affirmative case for Democrats
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while also reclaiming what it means to be an American,
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what it means to appreciate American culture.
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I think Republicans
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have been very.
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Successful in capturing these ideas of being patriotic,
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of loving your country,
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and they've used it as a cudgel to
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justify the unjustifiable,
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right?
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Mass deportations,
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violation of rights en masse,
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wars overseas,
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economic destabilization for the
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purpose of protecting American manufacturing.
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I think
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Democrats need to
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tell the American people and liberals in general what American culture really is.
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It's a culture of equality.
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It's a culture of protecting political minorities.
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It's a culture of democracy.
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And Republicans are constantly attacking it.
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So I just wanted to
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make it obvious that I don't despise this country.
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I don't want to destroy this country.
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I want what's best for it and I want what's best for its people.
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I think I did a
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relatively effective job.
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Who knows?
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Who knows?
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Yeah,
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alright,
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you ready to go into the first clip?
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100%.
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Yeah,
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I think it's incredibly anti-American
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to deploy the military to cities
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of Democratic governors who you don't really support
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just based on lies of.
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Mass illegal immigrants rioting in the streets destroying America.
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I think it's absolutely ridiculous.
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Like,
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imagine having standing armies.
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That's a very anti-American thing to do,
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correct?
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I don't think Democrats are looking to do that.
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that's not correct at all,
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because the Democrats,
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the National Guard being illegally deployed against the Constitution to Chicago.
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Thank you.
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No,
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you made a claim.
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I can respond to the claim.
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Thank you,
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respond to the claim.
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Yes,
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it's true.
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Go to
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anyway,
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if you look at what was actually happening in.
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Cities,
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right?
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Washington DC,
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for example,
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one of the Democrat cities that had the National Guard enacted in it,
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the violent crime rate dropped drastically.
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Murders are at a record low under President Trump,
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and it's because he's actually using the law enforcement
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for the way that they're supposed to be used.
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We absolutely had riots that were burning down cities,
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and this is something that Democrat leaders allowed to happen.
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Look what was going on during BLM where white people.
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were being attacked out in the streets.
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You had COVID where people,
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people couldn't go to church,
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they couldn't go to school.
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Our education system was absolutely decimated,
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but for some reason they could go riot in the streets,
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something that we're seeing again,
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where when a woman gets held accountable for the
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fact she tried to run over police officers,
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you once again try to destroy the cities.
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What comes to mind seeing that first clip?
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The fact that it was not responsive,
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she automatically pivoted to Washington DC because the president did have
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some standing in that case to deploy the National Guard according to
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the laws of our country.
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I was directly citing
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use of or commandeering of
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states militias,
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so our National Guards to dominate Democrat states.
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We saw it in Illinois,
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we saw it in California.
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He tried to do so
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in Portland,
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Oregon.
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But she didn't address that directly.
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What she wanted to do was harp on the fact that crime rates dropped.
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I'm sure if you had people with guns walking the streets of our country,
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crime rates are likely to drop,
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but that's not responsive to what I was currently talking about in that moment,
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which was
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Donald Trump using
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state's militias,
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state's national guards as a weapon
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to intimidate the people who are actively protesting
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his illegal policy.
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And I think
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It just
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really speaks to their inability to make any concessions because if they do,
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the whole house of cards falls.
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In this case,
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if she admits to the president wielding the
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National Guard as a weapon to intimidate,
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then it's gonna look pretty bad on the party,
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look pretty bad on the president.
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it's not really surprised,
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very disappointed.
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Let's talk about concessions because I mean,
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so you and Maddie,
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you go at it for a for a little while.
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You're Gen Z,
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right?
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I,
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I don't even know how old you are.
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Maddie also,
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uh,
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she crosses me as someone relatively close to your age.
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I mean,
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you came of age during
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The Trump
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era
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and so when you're going into these debates,
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you know,
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like you've got kind of a
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it's like a certain posture
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that you have,
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um,
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you're sighing
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as she's coming at you,
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she's coming in pretty tough.
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Do you feel like Gen Z
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has,
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I don't know,
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maybe a little bit more
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of a tough.
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Don't take shit
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like stance when it comes to political debate based on the,
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the time you grew up in.
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Definitely.
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I,
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I,
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I was for sure exhausted.
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I mean,
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hearing the same thing over and over again,
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hearing these people incapable of contending with the truth
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and living in a completely separate reality.
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I think it's,
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it,
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it,
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it really is exhausting.
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It makes me very tired.
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It's very much disheartening
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to hear somebody
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so passionate about something that is so devoid of any substance,
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so far from the reality that we live in.
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The truth is SCOTUS ruled
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that Donald Trump's deployment of the National Guard was illegal,
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it was unconstitutional,
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but
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no way to address it,
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of course,
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and she had her energy.
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She,
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she was obviously very,
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um,
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angry at me,
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passionate in,
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in some respects,
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but
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I mean just having to hear it over and over again,
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especially by someone that's my age,
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it's incredibly disappointing.
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I think
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people in my generation have a responsibility to not make the same mistakes
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as our predecessors
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and leave the future generations with a country they can be
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proud of calling home and I think people like Matty,
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no disrespect to Matty,
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of course this is relatively rude,
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are holding us back.
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They're being aggressive.
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So you're talking about,
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you know,
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Trump deploying the National Guard.
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Obviously,
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I,
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I,
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I think there's a lot of support behind the claim that he's been
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targeting,
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you don't have to support.
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I think he's literally said he's targeting
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cities,
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states where
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people
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have voted against him or that are
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blue coated,
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um,
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and,
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and making them
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kind of
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the places he wants to focus on immigration.
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Um,
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and,
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and,
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and such.
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I think you have a lot of support there.
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She brings up
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the riots and protests back in 2020,
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that's six years ago.
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It's
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honestly crazy to,
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to,
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to hear that.
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But I mean,
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you're saying that Trump's destroying America by
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specifically by what he's doing,
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you know,
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with how he's enforcing immigration,
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but you know,
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she's saying,
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hey,
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Democrats have been doing a lot to destroy America as well.
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Do you think there are key concessions that Democrats need to
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make or or own up to and we just like look at
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what is kind of a dumpster fire of the last decade,
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um,
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and where they have been,
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you know,
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wrong,
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or,
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or do you feel like it really all rests
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on.
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Republicans,
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I think Democrats failed in many respects over the last decade or so,
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and some,
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to some extent,
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I hold the Biden administration responsible for Donald Trump taking back power.
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As soon as he took office,
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he decided to
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kick his feet up on the desk and
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rest his head and say,
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oh,
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there's no need to communicate to the American people anymore,
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and Charlie Kirk was there
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to fill that void.
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Ben Shapiro was there to fill that void.
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Pundit,
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every member of the Trump administration,
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every member
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of every single think tank you could possibly think of
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filled that void,
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and people believe that Joe Biden and Kamala
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Harris are responsible for all of their inconveniences.
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I think that's definitely one of their faults,
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but
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with her criticism directly,
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Democrats disavowed the lawlessness.
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They disavowed the rooting,
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the looting,
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sorry,
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they disavowed any opportunistic actor that wanted to take advantage
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of a civil.
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Rights movement
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to benefit themselves by looting stores and making money off of it.
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I,
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I 100% don't support anybody breaking the law,
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but I do support the right to protest.
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So this idea that following
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the murder of an innocent man,
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an innocent black man,
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you can't go out
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and petition government for change.
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You can't go out and organize
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because of a curfew,
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I think that
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there are things that are bigger.
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Then staying at home and in a moment like that you want reform,
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you want positive change.
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I think you take to the streets and you tell the American government
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what is it that you want to see change in the country.
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So
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obviously
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with caution,
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especially in that moment during COVID-19,
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you don't want to spread the virus,
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right?
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But like I said,
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you see something so tragic,
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obviously you wanna go out and speak your mind.
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You have that right as long as you obviously follow the law.
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I never support anything
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that is in violation of the only Republicans do that.
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Um,
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no,
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I appreciate your thoughts on that.
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I mean,
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I gotta say I wish we had more time to just talk about protests.
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I gotta say like after living through recent history,
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I really strongly question the effectiveness of,
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of protest as like uh
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engagement mode,
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um,
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as a,
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a mode of political engagement.
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I would
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maybe one day we're gonna talk about that more,
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um,
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but yeah,
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I,
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I mean,
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I see it as there's like there's two sort of
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sins that were committed
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that.
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It's hard for both sides to own up on.
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I do think the lawlessness was
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glossed over
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by the left at that time or Democrats.
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Yeah,
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I remember people sharing like bail
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links to to to bail out certain people who had actually committed,
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you know,
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destruction or
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or violent crimes
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and you know then you have
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January 6th which
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you know these things sort of feel to me like very parallel instances.
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The left's like everybody stay inside,
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we gotta shut down schools,
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but wear a mask and it's OK to,
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you know,
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for
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tens of thousands of people to be marching in
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the streets a few feet apart from each other
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and yes it's mostly peaceful but.
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OK,
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yeah,
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we burned down a police station.
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Like that doesn't look good and that gets really
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tacked onto the left,
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but then,
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you know,
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we have Jan 6 and we just saw them all,
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everybody get a blanket pardon.
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And that was an insane situation as well.
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They both are kind of insane
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to me,
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and it seems like both sides are really
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struggling to make this concession of like,
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yes,
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we lost our minds.
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I agree,
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um,
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and I know
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it's difficult for me to agree at the same time,
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and I'm gonna tell you why,
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and I feel like that's the reason you can disagree with me.
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No,
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no,
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I,
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I think,
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I think there's a lot of trouble as hard as you want.
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Listen,
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I think it's very difficult.
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to swallow
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some level of accountability when the Republican Party,
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it's ingrained in their culture
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to never disavow the actions of their ilk,
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and you saw it on January 6th.
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If you go out
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and try and overthrow the government on the president's behalf,
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you're gonna get a blanket pardon.
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In the case of the Mueller report and the Russia,
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Russia,
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Russia hoax,
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that wasn't actually a hoax.
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Every single individual that
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was a part of that,
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every single senior campaign official,
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the majority of them received.
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Pardons even after they were convicted of crimes.
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And when you go to January 6th,
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all of his six co-conspirators,
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all outside counsel with no business
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trying to question an election
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or receive pardons.
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The president of the United States is uniquely corrupt,
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and
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they are uniquely incapable of holding
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themselves accountable because like I said,
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if they make any concessions,
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just imagine that
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you orchestrated a coup
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to overthrow the American government.
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It looks really bad,
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right?
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So
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when there's,
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there's that.
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Lack of accountability on the opposition side,
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free to go out and say,
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oh
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yes,
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these things were bad,
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yes,
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we take accountability,
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when in reality,
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I think that
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these things are
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not
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alike,
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um,
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at least
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not on a level playing field.
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It wasn't an attempt to,
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one is an attempt,
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sorry,
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to overthrow the government,
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the other is
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protests that went wrong.
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For sure,
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you should disavow that,
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but it's difficult when
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the onus is always put on Democrats to say I'm sorry for this,
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I'm sorry for that,
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and when Republicans do something wrong,
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I mean they just
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Gloss over it and completely ignore it,
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but at the end of the day,
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you want to win over the American people.
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You don't wanna,
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um,
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show it to the Republicans and be like,
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Oh,
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look at that.
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You can play that game.
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No.
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So if the American people want transparency,
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they want accountability,
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then Democrats should give it to them,
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and 100% I,
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I will never endorse anybody breaking the law
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and taking advantage of a civil rights movement.
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Um,
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it's all about being cautious.
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So you acknowledge there's this horseshoe element to it,
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but you don't think the horseshoe is balanced.
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Yes,
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100%.
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So I'm gonna share this in the next clip,
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um,
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with you and Maddie.
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You know,
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you brought up some of the shortcomings or failures of,
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of the Biden administration,
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and we,
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she kind of gets into that with you.
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So she talks about,
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you know,
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what she sees as an invasion
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of this country,
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uh,
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of mass
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undocumented immigration.
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What Trump was doing was absolutely lawful
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and thank God he's doing it because if you don't want dead Americans,
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you gotta stop the foreign invasion.
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Foreign invasion,
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that's ridiculous.
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Well,
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that's just
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no,
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I just legitimately thought that was funny.
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So if your primary concern is,
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again,
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like I said,
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Americans,
586
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then you're not going to conduct mass deportations
587
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because they result in more violent criminals being released
588
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because you're going to prioritize easy removals,
589
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which typically involves people that have been here for a long period of time,
590
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better working jobs,
591
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etc.
592
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who are easily caught and removed from the country.
593
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I want Immigration and Customs Enforcement
594
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to prioritize the criminals
595
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that killed Lake and Riley.
596
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That murdered Sheridan Gorman.
597
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I want cooperation between states.
598
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Republicans don't want that.
599
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They deployed thousands of immigration and Customs Enforcement officers
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to Minnesota
601
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and in order to remove them,
602
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they gave the governor an ultimatum
603
00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.030
where if you give your state's voter rolls and we'll remove ICE.
604
00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:04.310
It's a political pawn.
605
00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.070
They're weaponizing law enforcement to do the
606
00:14:06.070 --> 00:14:07.760
bidding of the president of the United States
607
00:14:07.880 --> 00:14:10.740
and 11 people have died in public as a result of that
608
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and then multiple.
609
00:14:11.980 --> 00:14:12.920
Died in detention
610
00:14:13.160 --> 00:14:17.800
and they've lost in the courts 19,000 times with 5000 due process violations.
611
00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:20.630
That is not enforcing the law that's violating it,
612
00:14:20.760 --> 00:14:22.710
it's no secret that the liberals unfortunately
613
00:14:22.710 --> 00:14:24.950
have taken over our so-called justice system.
614
00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:26.640
You're worried about violent criminals.
615
00:14:26.760 --> 00:14:28.580
Judges are now against Trump too,
616
00:14:28.640 --> 00:14:28.790
yeah,
617
00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:29.260
they are.
618
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And if you look at the system,
619
00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:30.950
one second,
620
00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:31.510
thank you.
621
00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.470
If you look at what the policies are of these liberal judges,
622
00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:36.080
what are they doing?
623
00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:37.540
They're allowing for,
624
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they're allowing for cashless bail.
625
00:14:39.810 --> 00:14:41.830
You said that you're worried about violent criminals getting out.
626
00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:42.790
Why aren't you worried about,
627
00:14:42.880 --> 00:14:43.590
for example,
628
00:14:43.750 --> 00:14:45.140
the person who murdered
629
00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:46.980
the person who murdered
630
00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.670
the Ukrainian refugee on the train?
631
00:14:49.880 --> 00:14:51.810
He was a violent criminal who had been let out,
632
00:14:54.280 --> 00:14:58.230
who had been let out by a liberal judge over 19 times.
633
00:14:58.440 --> 00:14:59.710
So do you think our country
634
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I mean,
635
00:15:00.860 --> 00:15:01.290
Maddie,
636
00:15:01.380 --> 00:15:02.660
she thinks our country's been invaded.
637
00:15:02.740 --> 00:15:03.320
What do you think?
638
00:15:03.460 --> 00:15:05.420
I think it's a pile of,
639
00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:05.690
um,
640
00:15:05.820 --> 00:15:07.610
I can't say the rest of the things I wanna say.
641
00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:08.490
It's not true.
642
00:15:08.610 --> 00:15:09.070
Just say it,
643
00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:09.260
David.
644
00:15:09.490 --> 00:15:09.650
Come on.
645
00:15:10.500 --> 00:15:11.050
That's what it is,
646
00:15:11.140 --> 00:15:11.210
yeah,
647
00:15:11.300 --> 00:15:11.340
no,
648
00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.010
100%.
649
00:15:12.060 --> 00:15:13.570
It's ridiculous that they,
650
00:15:13.700 --> 00:15:16.080
these people will ascribe malicious intent to
651
00:15:16.300 --> 00:15:18.290
millions of individuals that came about as a result
652
00:15:18.290 --> 00:15:21.720
of a set of very unexpected black swan events.
653
00:15:21.980 --> 00:15:22.450
For example,
654
00:15:22.660 --> 00:15:23.040
the
655
00:15:23.150 --> 00:15:26.030
destabilization of Venezuela is the biggest,
656
00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:26.750
um,
657
00:15:27.260 --> 00:15:29.970
one of the most destabilizing events in the history of our hemisphere.
658
00:15:30.580 --> 00:15:32.930
That led to at least I believe a million Venezuelans
659
00:15:32.930 --> 00:15:34.330
coming to our country as a result of it.
660
00:15:34.380 --> 00:15:35.370
There was COVID-19,
661
00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:38.120
mass instability across all of Central and South America.
662
00:15:38.380 --> 00:15:39.280
This idea that
663
00:15:39.500 --> 00:15:41.720
these people are coming over to destroy our country,
664
00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:45.640
yet you only have like one example or two examples or three examples of their
665
00:15:45.740 --> 00:15:46.290
violent
666
00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:46.760
nature,
667
00:15:46.900 --> 00:15:48.050
I think is absolutely ridiculous.
668
00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:48.780
The truth is,
669
00:15:48.800 --> 00:15:50.890
they want you to believe that your brown neighbor,
670
00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:52.240
that your Mexican neighbor,
671
00:15:52.420 --> 00:15:55.680
that anybody that doesn't look like you is here to destroy
672
00:15:55.830 --> 00:15:56.330
your life,
673
00:15:56.500 --> 00:15:57.210
to take your home,
674
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to take your daughters,
675
00:15:58.380 --> 00:15:59.210
to kill your daughters,
676
00:15:59.340 --> 00:15:59.670
to eat your
677
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Cats and dogs
678
00:16:00.740 --> 00:16:01.630
to take your welfare,
679
00:16:01.740 --> 00:16:03.530
to take everything you work so hard for so
680
00:16:03.530 --> 00:16:06.280
they can then justify their disgusting xenophobic policy.
681
00:16:06.500 --> 00:16:07.080
And I mean
682
00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:08.160
that that's what it is,
683
00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:08.450
you know,
684
00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:09.430
and for sure
685
00:16:09.610 --> 00:16:10.740
we need immigration reform.
686
00:16:10.860 --> 00:16:11.610
I don't disagree.
687
00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:14.450
We shouldn't have open borders so we can let all the criminals in.
688
00:16:14.660 --> 00:16:15.760
That's never my position.
689
00:16:16.020 --> 00:16:17.040
But this idea that
690
00:16:17.180 --> 00:16:18.300
tens of millions of people,
691
00:16:18.420 --> 00:16:19.450
Donald Trump is saying 1 week,
692
00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:19.890
15,
693
00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:20.850
then 25 million,
694
00:16:20.900 --> 00:16:21.580
30 million,
695
00:16:21.780 --> 00:16:21.970
it's,
696
00:16:22.100 --> 00:16:22.950
it's bullshit.
697
00:16:23.060 --> 00:16:24.440
It's obvious that
698
00:16:24.930 --> 00:16:25.840
messaging
699
00:16:26.640 --> 00:16:29.170
from coming from Vance and Trump has been using.
700
00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:31.860
Immigrants as as a scapegoat,
701
00:16:31.970 --> 00:16:32.530
uh,
702
00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:34.770
this immi immigrants,
703
00:16:35.030 --> 00:16:38.400
especially illegal immigrants are the reason everything's so effed up.
704
00:16:38.750 --> 00:16:40.650
That is clearly been the messaging
705
00:16:41.110 --> 00:16:42.510
on the flip side though,
706
00:16:42.750 --> 00:16:42.900
I,
707
00:16:43.030 --> 00:16:45.070
I don't think data supports that there's like a,
708
00:16:45.190 --> 00:16:45.350
a,
709
00:16:45.470 --> 00:16:47.550
a wave of illegal immi
710
00:16:47.940 --> 00:16:49.840
immigration crime happening,
711
00:16:49.950 --> 00:16:50.250
but
712
00:16:50.430 --> 00:16:52.540
a wave of illegal immigration.
713
00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:53.730
I mean,
714
00:16:54.140 --> 00:16:56.780
it does seem like that happened under Biden
715
00:16:56.950 --> 00:16:57.790
and Kamala.
716
00:16:58.060 --> 00:16:58.410
Um,
717
00:16:58.670 --> 00:16:59.230
I,
718
00:16:59.430 --> 00:17:01.150
last number I looked up was like
719
00:17:01.590 --> 00:17:03.270
estimates of 10 million
720
00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:05.930
came across the border during the Biden administration.
721
00:17:06.270 --> 00:17:06.540
You know,
722
00:17:06.560 --> 00:17:06.930
that
723
00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:07.420
I,
724
00:17:07.589 --> 00:17:08.859
I don't know if my math is right,
725
00:17:08.910 --> 00:17:10.930
but that's like 2% of the US
726
00:17:11.310 --> 00:17:11.730
population.
727
00:17:11.829 --> 00:17:12.490
Like that's,
728
00:17:12.750 --> 00:17:13.500
that's huge.
729
00:17:13.589 --> 00:17:14.790
What were they thinking?
730
00:17:15.730 --> 00:17:15.869
Yeah,
731
00:17:16.040 --> 00:17:16.460
so
732
00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:18.700
those are the border encounter numbers
733
00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.119
when these people are talking about illegal immigrants.
734
00:17:21.140 --> 00:17:24.300
They're referring to people that managed to get past Immigration and Customs
735
00:17:24.300 --> 00:17:27.440
Enforcement when it comes to internal enforcement or CBP at the border.
736
00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.470
That estimates ranging anywhere from 2 to 3 million gotaways.
737
00:17:30.600 --> 00:17:32.820
So there's not tens of millions of illegals.
738
00:17:33.040 --> 00:17:33.920
These encounters are
739
00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:35.150
how can we be?
740
00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:35.430
You've,
741
00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.220
you've seen those videos like where it's just like
742
00:17:38.510 --> 00:17:39.630
people just walking across,
743
00:17:39.840 --> 00:17:40.030
right,
744
00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:41.270
not,
745
00:17:41.320 --> 00:17:41.910
not lined up.
746
00:17:42.090 --> 00:17:43.290
Like walking across,
747
00:17:43.550 --> 00:17:43.640
yeah,
748
00:17:43.820 --> 00:17:43.920
so,
749
00:17:44.060 --> 00:17:45.080
so in those scenarios,
750
00:17:45.140 --> 00:17:46.630
like what is expected of
751
00:17:46.770 --> 00:17:47.880
CBP to do in that moment?
752
00:17:47.930 --> 00:17:48.040
Like,
753
00:17:48.130 --> 00:17:48.690
do you wanna just,
754
00:17:48.710 --> 00:17:49.070
like,
755
00:17:49.250 --> 00:17:49.320
for,
756
00:17:49.450 --> 00:17:49.750
for example,
757
00:17:49.850 --> 00:17:51.890
I know a lot of people tend to bring up people swimming across
758
00:17:51.890 --> 00:17:54.130
the rivers and they're just looking at them do it and recording it.
759
00:17:54.340 --> 00:17:54.440
Well,
760
00:17:54.530 --> 00:17:54.600
yeah,
761
00:17:54.650 --> 00:17:57.080
you're not gonna shoot at a person swimming across the river.
762
00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:59.590
You're going to detain them once they're in a safe position
763
00:17:59.810 --> 00:18:02.630
and determine whether or not they can be granted some kind of,
764
00:18:02.770 --> 00:18:02.880
uh,
765
00:18:03.100 --> 00:18:05.520
protected status or if they can apply for asylum or if
766
00:18:05.520 --> 00:18:07.320
they're just gonna be sent back to their country of origin.
767
00:18:07.570 --> 00:18:09.900
The Biden administration did conduct expulsions.
768
00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.260
This idea that they didn't deport anybody is not true.
769
00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.020
There was a lot of asylum claims,
770
00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:14.280
uh,
771
00:18:14.410 --> 00:18:16.880
because a lot of people ended up fitting the criteria in that era.
772
00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.710
Does that mean that some people did so with malicious intent?
773
00:18:19.760 --> 00:18:21.620
Of course that opens the door to that possibility,
774
00:18:21.830 --> 00:18:24.180
but I think that when we focus on this idea of
775
00:18:24.310 --> 00:18:24.790
invasion,
776
00:18:24.840 --> 00:18:27.120
this invasion that they're coming over to destroy our country,
777
00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:30.260
it prevents us from actually bringing about a sensible solution
778
00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.270
like establishing more or appointing,
779
00:18:32.320 --> 00:18:32.430
sorry,
780
00:18:32.520 --> 00:18:33.580
more immigration judges
781
00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:34.990
so we can chop at that backlog.
782
00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.210
Passing real comprehensive policy
783
00:18:37.360 --> 00:18:38.560
to make it more efficient
784
00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:40.920
and not less safe to get into this country.
785
00:18:41.080 --> 00:18:42.750
So therefore we don't have millions of illegal
786
00:18:42.750 --> 00:18:44.800
immigrants coming in here at a time of crisis
787
00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:46.020
and really making
788
00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:48.360
an unsafe situation a real crisis
789
00:18:48.520 --> 00:18:50.050
out of our immigration system.
790
00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:51.460
We need change
791
00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:54.630
and when we constantly use immigrants as an
792
00:18:54.630 --> 00:18:57.660
external locus responsible for all of our inconveniences,
793
00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:58.820
I think that's really
794
00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.030
hindering us from actually bringing about that positive
795
00:19:01.030 --> 00:19:02.550
change that the country's in desperate need for.
796
00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:03.230
Yeah,
797
00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:04.260
and that's a very
798
00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:05.950
sensible answer and I,
799
00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:06.780
I think I,
800
00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:07.830
I agree with,
801
00:19:08.080 --> 00:19:10.720
I think most people would agree with a lot of what you just said.
802
00:19:11.360 --> 00:19:11.470
I,
803
00:19:11.560 --> 00:19:12.270
I just wonder,
804
00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:12.630
you know,
805
00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:14.840
there's part of me that kind of wonders why
806
00:19:15.080 --> 00:19:17.060
leading democratic voices
807
00:19:17.410 --> 00:19:17.950
aren't
808
00:19:18.430 --> 00:19:19.210
throwing
809
00:19:20.580 --> 00:19:25.310
The Biden administration under the bus more because it sometimes feels to me
810
00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:31.680
like the pattern is Democratic leadership fails on an issue so catastrophically
811
00:19:31.940 --> 00:19:32.320
and
812
00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.880
I do think you could probably characterize how
813
00:19:36.100 --> 00:19:39.850
the Biden administration handled the border or just sort of refused to handle it,
814
00:19:40.190 --> 00:19:41.160
not that they didn't.
815
00:19:41.630 --> 00:19:42.210
You know,
816
00:19:42.830 --> 00:19:43.670
send people back,
817
00:19:43.750 --> 00:19:44.220
but they just,
818
00:19:44.310 --> 00:19:45.650
they really did not
819
00:19:46.150 --> 00:19:48.130
try to cut down
820
00:19:48.350 --> 00:19:50.320
how many people were crossing illegally.
821
00:19:50.430 --> 00:19:51.540
It doesn't seem to me.
822
00:19:51.750 --> 00:19:51.820
Yeah,
823
00:19:51.870 --> 00:19:52.740
it was relatively late.
824
00:19:52.830 --> 00:19:52.980
They,
825
00:19:53.070 --> 00:19:55.160
they had some attempts via the legislature,
826
00:19:55.310 --> 00:19:57.900
but it was only after a couple of years in his
827
00:19:57.900 --> 00:20:00.960
last year in office where he exercised executive authority to really
828
00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:05.030
crack down the amount of entries or people entering in the US-Mexico border,
829
00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:06.090
and I think.
830
00:20:06.450 --> 00:20:08.150
Just to kind of finish my thought,
831
00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:09.810
I just feel like it's like
832
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:13.980
you fail so hard on something you allow it to become a political football
833
00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:15.230
and then they
834
00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:17.040
it can be supercharged
835
00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:17.560
with,
836
00:20:17.580 --> 00:20:18.010
you know,
837
00:20:18.320 --> 00:20:21.350
more messaging than is actually true and now we're
838
00:20:21.350 --> 00:20:24.500
seeing all these people who I feel so terrible for
839
00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:28.150
who are just in limbo and are just getting shoved through,
840
00:20:28.360 --> 00:20:28.580
you know,
841
00:20:28.600 --> 00:20:31.150
deportation process without a fair.
842
00:20:31.750 --> 00:20:32.020
Uh,
843
00:20:32.270 --> 00:20:33.380
hearing and it's,
844
00:20:33.510 --> 00:20:33.900
you know,
845
00:20:33.950 --> 00:20:34.140
it's,
846
00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:35.430
it's so tragic,
847
00:20:35.550 --> 00:20:37.860
but it's like I keep coming back to this thing,
848
00:20:38.030 --> 00:20:39.640
this horseshoe feeling of just like,
849
00:20:39.710 --> 00:20:40.180
OK,
850
00:20:40.790 --> 00:20:41.610
one side fails,
851
00:20:41.630 --> 00:20:43.460
the other side takes advantage of it,
852
00:20:43.510 --> 00:20:44.530
and then they
853
00:20:44.630 --> 00:20:46.190
do something reprehensible
854
00:20:46.410 --> 00:20:47.940
because they were given the opportunity.
855
00:20:48.750 --> 00:20:49.560
And I think you're right.
856
00:20:49.990 --> 00:20:51.170
I don't know why
857
00:20:51.550 --> 00:20:53.940
Democrats are not going out and disavowing
858
00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:56.140
the Biden administration and criticizing Joe Biden.
859
00:20:56.230 --> 00:20:58.690
I think Joe Biden's ego got in the way of a lot of things,
860
00:20:58.830 --> 00:21:00.590
and Joe Biden failed in some respects.
861
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.700
Was it his ego?
862
00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:05.170
You can tell I've been on paternity leave because I have so many thoughts.
863
00:21:05.790 --> 00:21:05.940
Well,
864
00:21:06.110 --> 00:21:06.300
well,
865
00:21:06.390 --> 00:21:08.260
was it his ego or was he just too old,
866
00:21:08.390 --> 00:21:08.780
man?
867
00:21:09.110 --> 00:21:11.500
I think when it came to him running in 2024,
868
00:21:11.550 --> 00:21:12.610
it was definitely his ego.
869
00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:12.740
Uh,
870
00:21:12.870 --> 00:21:15.380
there's some internal reporting that makes me believe that's the case as well.
871
00:21:15.510 --> 00:21:17.490
And as it pertains to his immigration policy
872
00:21:17.710 --> 00:21:18.250
and
873
00:21:18.430 --> 00:21:19.980
him being silent on the matter,
874
00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:22.270
almost ignorant to what was going on in the country,
875
00:21:22.510 --> 00:21:24.010
in the eyes of the American people,
876
00:21:24.230 --> 00:21:27.290
I think that calls for some level of condemnation
877
00:21:27.430 --> 00:21:28.790
because you're supposed to give voters.
878
00:21:29.560 --> 00:21:32.410
reassurance that you're not going to make the same mistakes
879
00:21:32.520 --> 00:21:34.750
as those that came before you and when you're not disavowing,
880
00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:35.890
when you're not criticizing
881
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.530
for the purpose of making your party look as perfect as possible,
882
00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.060
it does the opposite in the minds of the American people.
883
00:21:41.280 --> 00:21:44.420
They want transparency and they want to trust their representative.
884
00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:48.340
And when you know something went wrong and you're not saying anything about it,
885
00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.020
I think at that point you're kind of
886
00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:51.280
shooting yourself in the foot.
887
00:21:52.550 --> 00:21:52.900
Yeah,
888
00:21:52.990 --> 00:21:53.560
and
889
00:21:53.870 --> 00:21:55.950
what was going on with the Biden administration.
890
00:21:56.310 --> 00:21:58.810
It seems to me like it was a combination of
891
00:21:59.260 --> 00:21:59.610
a
892
00:21:59.750 --> 00:22:03.160
family that shielded outsiders from having access
893
00:22:03.270 --> 00:22:04.050
to him,
894
00:22:04.550 --> 00:22:04.660
you know,
895
00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:05.420
that being Jill,
896
00:22:05.550 --> 00:22:06.490
that being Hunter,
897
00:22:06.750 --> 00:22:09.470
like he operated with a tight
898
00:22:10.560 --> 00:22:11.210
Grip
899
00:22:11.570 --> 00:22:12.560
from his family
900
00:22:12.940 --> 00:22:13.720
and then
901
00:22:14.060 --> 00:22:15.220
he was just old.
902
00:22:16.460 --> 00:22:18.560
This is not the Joe Biden of
903
00:22:19.060 --> 00:22:21.060
the early 2000s and
904
00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:24.880
I think that was a combination where a lot of things really
905
00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:27.700
were not addressed or handled
906
00:22:27.820 --> 00:22:29.050
by competent
907
00:22:29.340 --> 00:22:32.480
hands as much as Democratic voters
908
00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:33.950
assumed
909
00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:34.940
they were.
910
00:22:35.210 --> 00:22:37.570
And so I think that created a lot of opportunities,
911
00:22:37.620 --> 00:22:37.880
but
912
00:22:39.090 --> 00:22:39.800
Moving on,
913
00:22:40.050 --> 00:22:40.400
uh.
914
00:22:41.820 --> 00:22:41.970
Yeah,
915
00:22:42.100 --> 00:22:42.210
yeah,
916
00:22:42.340 --> 00:22:42.710
but that,
917
00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:45.560
that's sort of what I wonder when we talk about like this concessions is,
918
00:22:45.740 --> 00:22:50.190
are we so entrenched in political loyalty or is the fundraising
919
00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:56.800
fundraising system so reliant on the big names of the past administrations
920
00:22:57.100 --> 00:22:58.320
that we don't
921
00:22:59.100 --> 00:22:59.810
start clean,
922
00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:00.090
you know,
923
00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:00.630
like,
924
00:23:00.940 --> 00:23:02.450
and maybe we'll see this when we kind of
925
00:23:02.450 --> 00:23:05.480
pivot from midterms to a presidential election cycle is
926
00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:07.070
why can't a Democrat just be like,
927
00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:09.200
I disavow everything Joe Biden did.
928
00:23:09.220 --> 00:23:10.530
He sucks.
929
00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:11.820
And then be like,
930
00:23:11.910 --> 00:23:13.380
but I also disavow what Trump's doing,
931
00:23:13.430 --> 00:23:13.660
you know,
932
00:23:13.830 --> 00:23:15.980
and like give people this opportunity and be like,
933
00:23:16.030 --> 00:23:16.310
oh,
934
00:23:16.870 --> 00:23:17.020
you know,
935
00:23:17.070 --> 00:23:18.570
because you hear every election like,
936
00:23:18.670 --> 00:23:18.790
oh,
937
00:23:18.910 --> 00:23:19.490
both sides,
938
00:23:19.630 --> 00:23:20.890
both options suck.
939
00:23:21.390 --> 00:23:23.420
So why isn't somebody coming in and kind of like
940
00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:24.790
positioning themselves that way?
941
00:23:24.940 --> 00:23:25.550
Maybe they will.
942
00:23:26.110 --> 00:23:27.260
James Salarico,
943
00:23:28.060 --> 00:23:28.770
just saying,
944
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:30.000
moving on to the next
945
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:30.730
clip.
946
00:23:31.340 --> 00:23:32.050
individual's right to vote.
947
00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:32.290
You
948
00:23:32.660 --> 00:23:33.130
downplaying it
949
00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:34.360
downplaying what
950
00:23:34.580 --> 00:23:36.770
you downplayed us when you walked into this room
951
00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:37.740
as Americans
952
00:23:38.340 --> 00:23:40.090
you will defend illegal immigrants.
953
00:23:40.180 --> 00:23:40.820
You will defend.
954
00:23:41.060 --> 00:23:41.530
I love this country.
955
00:23:41.610 --> 00:23:42.330
You're not a patriot.
956
00:23:43.290 --> 00:23:44.120
what I'm talking about.
957
00:23:44.250 --> 00:23:44.340
Yeah,
958
00:23:44.450 --> 00:23:45.680
do you think voting rights are talking?
959
00:23:45.850 --> 00:23:45.920
I
960
00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:46.090
literally
961
00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:46.410
stop
962
00:23:46.930 --> 00:23:47.080
guys,
963
00:23:47.170 --> 00:23:47.320
guys,
964
00:23:47.450 --> 00:23:47.840
we can't,
965
00:23:47.890 --> 00:23:49.200
we can't hear you guys if you talk over each other.
966
00:23:49.290 --> 00:23:50.300
I know he needs to address my point.
967
00:23:50.450 --> 00:23:51.330
He won't let me talk.
968
00:23:51.850 --> 00:23:52.090
Got some
969
00:23:52.340 --> 00:23:52.520
bullshit.
970
00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:53.200
Address my point.
971
00:23:53.660 --> 00:23:54.480
Let him some bullshit.
972
00:23:54.540 --> 00:23:54.600
Yeah,
973
00:23:54.930 --> 00:23:54.990
sorry,
974
00:23:55.460 --> 00:23:57.260
unless I know you're close to Trump and your own
975
00:23:57.410 --> 00:23:59.010
show is telling you to let him address your
976
00:23:59.160 --> 00:23:59.370
claim.
977
00:23:59.730 --> 00:24:00.520
Oh,
978
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:01.200
got
979
00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:01.410
him.
980
00:24:02.690 --> 00:24:03.790
They're trying to hype you up behind me.
981
00:24:03.810 --> 00:24:04.880
You're doing a shit job.
982
00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:06.490
David,
983
00:24:06.620 --> 00:24:07.850
what's going on here?
984
00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:08.970
What are we doing?
985
00:24:09.540 --> 00:24:09.940
Listen,
986
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:10.410
listen,
987
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:10.750
listen,
988
00:24:10.820 --> 00:24:11.770
let me explain myself.
989
00:24:11.860 --> 00:24:13.400
I know Carson Carpenter
990
00:24:13.650 --> 00:24:15.350
before I did the surrounding,
991
00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:16.310
and I was very aware
992
00:24:16.660 --> 00:24:17.160
about that.
993
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:18.070
Yeah,
994
00:24:18.230 --> 00:24:18.270
uh,
995
00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:18.670
well,
996
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:18.890
I,
997
00:24:19.320 --> 00:24:20.190
I didn't know him personally,
998
00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.060
but I knew of him,
999
00:24:21.260 --> 00:24:21.390
right?
1000
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.270
So I saw him debate Micah Irfan,
1001
00:24:23.310 --> 00:24:24.140
a number of
1002
00:24:24.520 --> 00:24:25.190
Adam Mackler,
1003
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:25.980
for example,
1004
00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:28.460
and I just knew he was incredibly evasive and dishonest,
1005
00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:29.750
and people like that,
1006
00:24:30.270 --> 00:24:31.910
especially when confronted with serious
1007
00:24:31.910 --> 00:24:34.540
questions of violating our Constitution and
1008
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.480
the deprivation of rights and destroying the American American democracy.
1009
00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:41.720
You're non-responsive and you're just brushing it off.
1010
00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:44.070
Obviously running cover for the administration that's
1011
00:24:44.070 --> 00:24:45.420
doing so much harm to Americans.
1012
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.870
I think you look at politics like a game and that shit pisses me off.
1013
00:24:49.040 --> 00:24:50.830
So it was very much vitriolic
1014
00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:51.920
as soon as I said,
1015
00:24:52.360 --> 00:24:52.910
I was surprised.
1016
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.510
I didn't even remember saying that myself.
1017
00:24:54.600 --> 00:24:56.750
I believe we have a 10-minute conversation at the end as well,
1018
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:57.000
uh,
1019
00:24:57.120 --> 00:24:58.550
and I feel like that was a bit more respectful,
1020
00:24:58.640 --> 00:24:59.470
a lot more cordial,
1021
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.010
but
1022
00:25:00.330 --> 00:25:01.190
In that moment,
1023
00:25:01.330 --> 00:25:04.150
I think it perfectly encompasses the,
1024
00:25:04.370 --> 00:25:07.320
the internal anger I have for a lot of people who just
1025
00:25:07.320 --> 00:25:09.930
disregard what's happening in our country and treat politics like a game,
1026
00:25:09.970 --> 00:25:11.320
and I guess it manifests in real time
1027
00:25:11.530 --> 00:25:12.400
whether or not it's good or bad
1028
00:25:12.520 --> 00:25:12.750
luck.
1029
00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:14.430
You don't think it's a game because I mean,
1030
00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:16.670
I mean what we're doing here,
1031
00:25:16.850 --> 00:25:17.070
I mean,
1032
00:25:17.090 --> 00:25:20.400
I helped come up with this format and so like there's a game like.
1033
00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.560
Quality to this and I don't necessarily think that that's totally wrong.
1034
00:25:23.730 --> 00:25:26.470
I wanna make sure that we're not getting like lost in the sauce
1035
00:25:26.490 --> 00:25:29.840
as like we continue to make political content on Jubilee is like,
1036
00:25:30.170 --> 00:25:32.030
do you feel like you have to be
1037
00:25:32.290 --> 00:25:33.030
as tough
1038
00:25:33.370 --> 00:25:34.700
because you have more of a following than me.
1039
00:25:34.770 --> 00:25:34.960
I mean,
1040
00:25:35.050 --> 00:25:35.460
I,
1041
00:25:35.690 --> 00:25:37.390
I've never really like made
1042
00:25:37.610 --> 00:25:40.520
carved out like my own following as a commentator.
1043
00:25:40.900 --> 00:25:42.450
I've helped create these formats,
1044
00:25:42.500 --> 00:25:44.760
but do you feel like you have to be
1045
00:25:45.100 --> 00:25:49.810
that tough as you appear and as combative as you appear in that clip
1046
00:25:50.300 --> 00:25:51.090
to
1047
00:25:51.780 --> 00:25:53.200
be recognized
1048
00:25:53.330 --> 00:25:54.650
in the political space,
1049
00:25:54.860 --> 00:25:55.360
especially
1050
00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:56.360
online right now?
1051
00:25:56.540 --> 00:25:58.100
I'm gonna be super honest with you.
1052
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:00.340
I'm not doing it because
1053
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.150
I think it's gonna give me more engagement.
1054
00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:03.040
It definitely has,
1055
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.360
and the vitriol definitely has given me more,
1056
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:05.540
uh,
1057
00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:05.750
uh,
1058
00:26:05.800 --> 00:26:08.700
has opened a lot of people's eyes to me and it has put me on their feeds.
1059
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:10.870
But I think my biggest issue,
1060
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:11.350
uh,
1061
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:12.980
before I started doing this
1062
00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:16.040
post 2024 election January of 2025
1063
00:26:16.350 --> 00:26:16.940
was
1064
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.590
whenever I saw commentators speaking to some of
1065
00:26:19.590 --> 00:26:21.110
the most deplorable people in our country,
1066
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.870
they'd offer them some semblance of respect,
1067
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.950
and I don't think they deserve it.
1068
00:26:24.340 --> 00:26:25.060
I believe,
1069
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:25.790
obviously,
1070
00:26:25.870 --> 00:26:26.630
if you're a Republican,
1071
00:26:26.760 --> 00:26:28.160
I have no issue with you being a Republican.
1072
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:29.230
We need an opposition party.
1073
00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:30.510
I don't want a one-party state.
1074
00:26:30.540 --> 00:26:31.310
It's not mob rule,
1075
00:26:31.360 --> 00:26:32.270
it's not majority rule.
1076
00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:35.180
It's America and they're supposed to be opposing views
1077
00:26:35.310 --> 00:26:37.350
coming together across both aisles to make
1078
00:26:37.350 --> 00:26:38.670
the best product for the American people.
1079
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.630
I'm not against that.
1080
00:26:40.120 --> 00:26:40.460
But
1081
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.860
when we have been so desensitized
1082
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.020
and allowed for some of the worst people
1083
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.980
to be given some level of legitimacy in the discourse,
1084
00:26:48.120 --> 00:26:48.780
I think
1085
00:26:49.120 --> 00:26:49.550
we're going,
1086
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:49.770
we're,
1087
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:50.990
we're doing something really wrong.
1088
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.190
So whenever I'm talking to somebody like Carpenter,
1089
00:26:53.320 --> 00:26:53.970
who is,
1090
00:26:54.120 --> 00:26:54.910
in my opinion,
1091
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.180
a white nationalist,
1092
00:26:56.520 --> 00:26:59.070
who's talking about protecting American demographics
1093
00:26:59.070 --> 00:27:00.480
and how if you import immigrants,
1094
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.660
America will no longer be America cause it's about white people and white,
1095
00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:06.040
I think that kind of person is a loser.
1096
00:27:06.350 --> 00:27:07.810
Who doesn't deserve respect.
1097
00:27:08.100 --> 00:27:10.320
My approach isn't the same for every single person in that circle.
1098
00:27:10.540 --> 00:27:12.230
It changes depending on the individual.
1099
00:27:12.540 --> 00:27:14.810
I want to shift the Overton window back to the
1100
00:27:14.810 --> 00:27:17.680
point where somebody like Carson would not be looked at
1101
00:27:18.380 --> 00:27:20.650
as an individual that deserves deserves respect.
1102
00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:23.440
I believe that people need to have normal conversations.
1103
00:27:23.620 --> 00:27:25.600
We're so far from there
1104
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:26.610
right now,
1105
00:27:26.780 --> 00:27:27.320
but like.
1106
00:27:28.840 --> 00:27:29.030
I,
1107
00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:29.860
I just
1108
00:27:30.280 --> 00:27:30.510
look,
1109
00:27:30.710 --> 00:27:30.770
hey,
1110
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.720
I like you and uh you're gonna do your thing.
1111
00:27:32.800 --> 00:27:33.680
I'm not saying I'm right,
1112
00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:34.220
but
1113
00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:38.940
I just don't know and like I got a similar sense with Dean like when I saw Dean on set
1114
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:39.830
and I mean
1115
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.360
Dean's endurance to like do those debates was,
1116
00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:43.420
was really impressive.
1117
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:43.930
Like
1118
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:44.660
I,
1119
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:44.870
I,
1120
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.790
I acknowledge that there's a skill and there's a craft
1121
00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:48.860
to being
1122
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:50.400
as quick with words and as,
1123
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.490
as confident with your arguments as,
1124
00:27:52.560 --> 00:27:53.750
as someone like him is.
1125
00:27:54.550 --> 00:27:55.940
But you can almost hear,
1126
00:27:56.050 --> 00:27:58.830
you can see him like kind of cracking his neck and his knuckles like,
1127
00:27:58.930 --> 00:28:00.800
like almost like he's a fighter,
1128
00:28:00.970 --> 00:28:01.120
you know,
1129
00:28:01.270 --> 00:28:02.320
a conflict is,
1130
00:28:02.450 --> 00:28:03.330
is important.
1131
00:28:03.490 --> 00:28:04.290
We should
1132
00:28:04.690 --> 00:28:05.760
debate and argue,
1133
00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:08.570
and I come from a family that had a lot of big arguments.
1134
00:28:08.690 --> 00:28:10.270
I enjoy that to a degree.
1135
00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:13.630
I want to make sure that the WWE part isn't
1136
00:28:13.770 --> 00:28:16.720
eclipsing the like substance and sometimes.
1137
00:28:17.550 --> 00:28:17.750
It,
1138
00:28:17.790 --> 00:28:19.620
it would take someone like you to just be like,
1139
00:28:19.710 --> 00:28:20.020
look,
1140
00:28:20.350 --> 00:28:21.500
I think your ideas are shit,
1141
00:28:21.670 --> 00:28:23.660
but I guess I kind of like you as a person
1142
00:28:23.790 --> 00:28:24.590
even though you,
1143
00:28:24.790 --> 00:28:24.980
you,
1144
00:28:25.110 --> 00:28:28.470
you're white nationalist adjacent in my mind like
1145
00:28:28.590 --> 00:28:29.210
let's
1146
00:28:30.190 --> 00:28:31.900
let's try and build something here to,
1147
00:28:31.990 --> 00:28:33.740
to see where there's a shared threat.
1148
00:28:33.830 --> 00:28:34.450
I Yeah,
1149
00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:36.410
it just seems like nobody wants to do that right now.
1150
00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:37.250
And you're right,
1151
00:28:37.340 --> 00:28:37.450
I,
1152
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:37.650
I,
1153
00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:38.250
that's the thing,
1154
00:28:38.500 --> 00:28:41.070
it takes two to tango and there needs to be that mutual respect.
1155
00:28:41.140 --> 00:28:42.620
A person like Carpenter doesn't respect me,
1156
00:28:42.810 --> 00:28:42.930
right?
1157
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:43.250
They,
1158
00:28:43.340 --> 00:28:46.970
they think I'm some woke loser Democrat that wants to destroy America.
1159
00:28:47.060 --> 00:28:48.550
I think the same thing of somebody like
1160
00:28:48.550 --> 00:28:50.760
Carson Carpenter who's running cover for the administration.
1161
00:28:51.070 --> 00:28:53.000
So I guess it's up to the viewer to determine
1162
00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:55.810
who is being honest and who is being dishonest in this scenario.
1163
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:58.820
I'm not in favor of the president in power is destroying our country.
1164
00:28:58.980 --> 00:28:59.570
He is.
1165
00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:02.670
And I mean I guess I'll leave the rest up to the interpretation.
1166
00:29:02.760 --> 00:29:02.860
Uh,
1167
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:03.820
listen,
1168
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:04.310
I agree though.
1169
00:29:04.390 --> 00:29:04.400
I,
1170
00:29:04.520 --> 00:29:04.540
I,
1171
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.070
as a matter of fact,
1172
00:29:05.120 --> 00:29:07.100
a lot of people when I stream or when I produce content
1173
00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:08.420
do call me out in some,
1174
00:29:08.560 --> 00:29:10.230
in some cases for the animosity,
1175
00:29:10.320 --> 00:29:11.070
for the energy,
1176
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:11.710
and it depends,
1177
00:29:11.800 --> 00:29:11.930
man.
1178
00:29:12.020 --> 00:29:12.120
I,
1179
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:12.580
I
1180
00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:13.330
sometimes
1181
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.310
it's like second
1182
00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:14.780
nature.
1183
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.020
There's a posture you can see it.
1184
00:29:17.120 --> 00:29:19.230
It's like your arms and your shoulders.
1185
00:29:20.550 --> 00:29:20.740
OK,
1186
00:29:20.870 --> 00:29:21.260
so let's,
1187
00:29:21.350 --> 00:29:22.690
let's move on to,
1188
00:29:23.030 --> 00:29:24.260
to the next little bit.
1189
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:24.690
So,
1190
00:29:24.830 --> 00:29:24.980
you know,
1191
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.010
we've been talking about
1192
00:29:26.510 --> 00:29:28.700
some of the errors that Democrats made in the
1193
00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:30.690
past and we're specifically kind of harping on,
1194
00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:32.170
on the Biden administration.
1195
00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:33.150
But now,
1196
00:29:33.310 --> 00:29:34.930
this is the most interesting,
1197
00:29:35.150 --> 00:29:35.540
uh,
1198
00:29:35.670 --> 00:29:37.260
cleavage in politics right now,
1199
00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:38.860
which is like the past
1200
00:29:39.470 --> 00:29:41.660
Democratic Party and the future Democratic Party
1201
00:29:41.990 --> 00:29:42.620
in my mind.
1202
00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:45.610
So let's just assume Donald Trump truly is
1203
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:49.100
the sun is setting on his political era.
1204
00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:52.320
Either he doesn't run because he can't,
1205
00:29:52.350 --> 00:29:55.690
even though he wants to keep that as ambiguous as possible,
1206
00:29:56.520 --> 00:29:57.670
but he's certainly
1207
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.510
very old.
1208
00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:01.150
So there are forces that are going to bring
1209
00:30:01.150 --> 00:30:04.290
down the curtain on his dominant era of politics.
1210
00:30:04.320 --> 00:30:04.800
And so
1211
00:30:05.530 --> 00:30:07.910
What is the Democratic Party gonna be
1212
00:30:08.370 --> 00:30:08.870
tomorrow
1213
00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:11.810
and this idea of like what kind of progressive are you came up.
1214
00:30:11.890 --> 00:30:12.670
Let's watch this clip.
1215
00:30:12.890 --> 00:30:14.470
You're voting in November for what?
1216
00:30:14.540 --> 00:30:15.370
I voted for Democrats.
1217
00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:15.480
No,
1218
00:30:15.570 --> 00:30:15.640
no,
1219
00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:18.070
but like you're voting for what the like Senate positions,
1220
00:30:18.110 --> 00:30:19.900
every single governor person that you're voting for in the Republican.
1221
00:30:20.010 --> 00:30:21.720
Do you realize that that's like a generalization fallacy,
1222
00:30:21.740 --> 00:30:21.900
right?
1223
00:30:22.290 --> 00:30:22.880
It is because you're,
1224
00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:23.600
you're essentially,
1225
00:30:23.770 --> 00:30:24.880
you're saying that from a policy perspective.
1226
00:30:25.040 --> 00:30:25.800
Perspective
1227
00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:28.380
that the Republican Party is in lockstep with
1228
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:29.750
the President of the United States who,
1229
00:30:29.980 --> 00:30:30.660
as I stated earlier,
1230
00:30:30.750 --> 00:30:32.010
he didn't want to talk about the case
1231
00:30:32.110 --> 00:30:34.390
is openly trying to disenfranchise one third of the
1232
00:30:34.390 --> 00:30:36.070
American public from participating in but here's what
1233
00:30:36.070 --> 00:30:37.920
I'm getting at you're talking about American values.
1234
00:30:38.190 --> 00:30:40.660
Is it Ameri is it an American value to abolish capitalism?
1235
00:30:41.030 --> 00:30:41.220
Uh,
1236
00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:41.670
no.
1237
00:30:41.870 --> 00:30:44.690
Is it an American value to have government owned grocery stores?
1238
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:46.980
I wouldn't necessarily say so.
1239
00:30:47.120 --> 00:30:48.470
I mean there's some government intervention.
1240
00:30:48.560 --> 00:30:52.720
I don't think that's necessarily is it American value to abolish the police
1241
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:53.850
and to defund,
1242
00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:54.120
uh,
1243
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:54.350
you know,
1244
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:55.700
to abolish prisons.
1245
00:30:56.650 --> 00:30:57.760
So what I what I'm getting at is that
1246
00:30:57.760 --> 00:30:59.920
you have the Democrats attacking the core of America.
1247
00:30:59.970 --> 00:31:00.860
I disagree with the policy
1248
00:31:01.010 --> 00:31:01.560
and what I'm getting at
1249
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.600
Democrat policy so you you are you a progressive,
1250
00:31:03.970 --> 00:31:04.320
uh,
1251
00:31:04.410 --> 00:31:05.240
liberal progressive,
1252
00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:05.500
yeah,
1253
00:31:05.530 --> 00:31:05.760
OK,
1254
00:31:05.850 --> 00:31:07.940
so what part of the progressive agenda
1255
00:31:08.050 --> 00:31:09.310
is pro-America because
1256
00:31:09.410 --> 00:31:10.580
when I see the progressive
1257
00:31:11.050 --> 00:31:11.720
agenda
1258
00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:13.500
and people that call themselves progressive,
1259
00:31:13.870 --> 00:31:16.800
I see a list of policy that is so anti-American that honestly
1260
00:31:16.800 --> 00:31:19.490
if you guys were being truthful to yourself you would call yourselves regressives
1261
00:31:19.650 --> 00:31:21.950
because all that that that entire policy prescription
1262
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:23.720
price controls government owned.
1263
00:31:24.130 --> 00:31:24.590
Uh,
1264
00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:26.430
grocery stores or institutions,
1265
00:31:26.570 --> 00:31:26.640
oh,
1266
00:31:26.690 --> 00:31:27.230
you're not.
1267
00:31:27.330 --> 00:31:29.760
So what part of the progressive agenda is pro-America?
1268
00:31:29.850 --> 00:31:30.480
Please enlighten me.
1269
00:31:30.650 --> 00:31:31.990
So I know you want a burden shift,
1270
00:31:32.170 --> 00:31:33.240
but if our issue,
1271
00:31:33.330 --> 00:31:34.520
if our issue is communism,
1272
00:31:34.610 --> 00:31:37.000
the president of the United States directly used chipsack
1273
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.840
funds to take public ownership of American companies,
1274
00:31:38.890 --> 00:31:39.120
and he,
1275
00:31:39.170 --> 00:31:39.450
and,
1276
00:31:39.730 --> 00:31:41.020
and we can have disagreements with that.
1277
00:31:41.050 --> 00:31:41.660
That's pretty communist.
1278
00:31:41.730 --> 00:31:41.850
The,
1279
00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:42.880
the que the question is though,
1280
00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:43.580
do Democrats,
1281
00:31:43.700 --> 00:31:44.640
would Democrats support that?
1282
00:31:44.810 --> 00:31:46.090
You have Bernie Sanders calling
1283
00:31:46.530 --> 00:31:46.920
Trump,
1284
00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:47.280
0,
1285
00:31:47.370 --> 00:31:48.040
10% is not enough.
1286
00:31:48.120 --> 00:31:48.800
Let's go to 50%.
1287
00:31:49.040 --> 00:31:49.260
Let's go.
1288
00:31:49.290 --> 00:31:50.220
So it's like the bidding is high.
1289
00:31:50.630 --> 00:31:50.700
No,
1290
00:31:50.750 --> 00:31:51.500
it's not one person.
1291
00:31:51.790 --> 00:31:52.980
The DSA does believe,
1292
00:31:53.190 --> 00:31:54.160
do you support the DSA?
1293
00:31:54.830 --> 00:31:55.950
It's not part of the Democrat Party.
1294
00:31:56.190 --> 00:31:58.500
So why are they reject the DSA wholeheartedly because they,
1295
00:31:58.630 --> 00:31:58.660
oh,
1296
00:31:58.790 --> 00:31:59.420
you're not,
1297
00:31:59.630 --> 00:32:01.240
but then you're not a progressive of our country.
1298
00:32:01.390 --> 00:32:02.180
But then you're not a progressive.
1299
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:03.020
I'm a social democrat.
1300
00:32:03.230 --> 00:32:03.810
All right,
1301
00:32:04.070 --> 00:32:05.020
we gotta go there.
1302
00:32:05.190 --> 00:32:06.260
The DSA,
1303
00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:07.730
Hassan,
1304
00:32:07.870 --> 00:32:08.690
all of it,
1305
00:32:08.990 --> 00:32:09.450
it's,
1306
00:32:09.630 --> 00:32:10.480
it's coming.
1307
00:32:10.630 --> 00:32:11.380
It's coming for you,
1308
00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:11.780
David.
1309
00:32:11.870 --> 00:32:13.180
What kind of progressive are you?
1310
00:32:13.310 --> 00:32:13.830
I think.
1311
00:32:14.060 --> 00:32:15.880
It's incredibly important to make a distinction
1312
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.120
between what it means to be progressive.
1313
00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:17.910
That's a very
1314
00:32:18.050 --> 00:32:21.190
catch-all term that can encompass a lot of people who just call
1315
00:32:21.190 --> 00:32:23.460
themselves a progressive for the sake of doing it cause it's popular,
1316
00:32:23.570 --> 00:32:23.650
right?
1317
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:24.320
It's something new,
1318
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.560
it's something different that breaks apart from the status quo.
1319
00:32:26.730 --> 00:32:28.650
I can be for expansion of social safety nets.
1320
00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:29.510
I can be for
1321
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:30.200
access,
1322
00:32:30.290 --> 00:32:32.370
universal access to healthcare and treating
1323
00:32:32.730 --> 00:32:35.240
American government as it having another responsibility
1324
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:36.790
apart from protecting your negative rights,
1325
00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:38.120
but having positive rights.
1326
00:32:38.260 --> 00:32:38.920
Things that they give.
1327
00:32:39.080 --> 00:32:39.300
You,
1328
00:32:39.390 --> 00:32:41.900
things that they guarantee you like access to healthcare,
1329
00:32:42.070 --> 00:32:42.210
education,
1330
00:32:42.310 --> 00:32:42.850
etc.
1331
00:32:43.110 --> 00:32:45.440
That in and of itself doesn't make me a member of the DSA.
1332
00:32:45.550 --> 00:32:47.900
That in and of itself doesn't make me a communist or a socialist.
1333
00:32:48.150 --> 00:32:49.620
There's a huge difference there and there's a big
1334
00:32:49.620 --> 00:32:52.170
gap between say me and a person like Hassan Piker
1335
00:32:52.310 --> 00:32:53.060
who says he wants,
1336
00:32:53.110 --> 00:32:54.940
he'd wipe his ass with the constitution,
1337
00:32:55.190 --> 00:32:56.330
who disregards,
1338
00:32:56.510 --> 00:32:56.700
uh,
1339
00:32:56.740 --> 00:32:56.860
uh,
1340
00:32:56.910 --> 00:32:58.010
a lot of the things that,
1341
00:32:58.070 --> 00:32:58.500
like I said,
1342
00:32:58.520 --> 00:32:59.020
are very,
1343
00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:00.650
very foundational level of this country.
1344
00:33:00.710 --> 00:33:02.180
And then the DSA policy platform,
1345
00:33:02.430 --> 00:33:03.980
they want to defang the Supreme Court.
1346
00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:05.840
Deprive it of its capacity
1347
00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:06.990
of judicial review
1348
00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:08.850
and make it subordinate to the legislature.
1349
00:33:08.980 --> 00:33:10.030
I'm gonna disagree with that.
1350
00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:11.640
And if that's in the policy platform,
1351
00:33:11.980 --> 00:33:13.030
then I can't align
1352
00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:14.320
with that organization
1353
00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:16.130
for the same reasons I don't align with
1354
00:33:16.130 --> 00:33:17.550
Republicans and I was gonna tell George there,
1355
00:33:17.580 --> 00:33:18.810
but he just couldn't get his mouth shut.
1356
00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:21.840
I don't support anything that is gonna deprive
1357
00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:23.050
people of their rights,
1358
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:25.800
that is gonna take away protections from political minorities
1359
00:33:25.940 --> 00:33:27.040
and court's ability
1360
00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:28.440
to hold the executive
1361
00:33:28.580 --> 00:33:29.720
and the um
1362
00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:31.030
legislative in check
1363
00:33:31.220 --> 00:33:33.300
is incredibly integral to that process,
1364
00:33:33.460 --> 00:33:34.260
to those protections.
1365
00:33:34.300 --> 00:33:34.680
So
1366
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:37.050
that's why I don't call myself a member of the DSA,
1367
00:33:37.100 --> 00:33:37.960
but does that mean I
1368
00:33:38.100 --> 00:33:39.700
wholeheartedly reject every single person?
1369
00:33:39.860 --> 00:33:40.130
Of course,
1370
00:33:40.300 --> 00:33:40.420
you know,
1371
00:33:40.540 --> 00:33:42.330
Zora Mamdani plays with the heartstrings sometimes.
1372
00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:43.650
I think he's doing pretty good stuff in New York.
1373
00:33:43.700 --> 00:33:44.220
AOC
1374
00:33:44.390 --> 00:33:45.730
doesn't look like a bad person.
1375
00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:47.760
She looks like she actually cares for the American people,
1376
00:33:47.860 --> 00:33:48.080
but
1377
00:33:48.450 --> 00:33:50.310
This idea that in order to be a progressive,
1378
00:33:50.330 --> 00:33:51.520
you must want to abolish prisons.
1379
00:33:51.570 --> 00:33:51.910
I mean,
1380
00:33:52.170 --> 00:33:55.920
it's so obvious that George recognizes this messaging strategy,
1381
00:33:56.050 --> 00:33:57.210
this label is popular,
1382
00:33:57.290 --> 00:33:59.280
and he just wants to demonize it as much as possible.
1383
00:33:59.490 --> 00:33:59.990
Yeah,
1384
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:00.360
OK,
1385
00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:02.860
do you feel like you're in an uncomfortable position
1386
00:34:03.050 --> 00:34:03.860
as
1387
00:34:04.250 --> 00:34:04.780
this,
1388
00:34:05.050 --> 00:34:05.200
you know,
1389
00:34:05.450 --> 00:34:07.030
progressive who is not.
1390
00:34:07.580 --> 00:34:10.370
On the the the DSA train right now,
1391
00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:11.010
I mean,
1392
00:34:11.179 --> 00:34:14.500
I don't think that it's just a conservative,
1393
00:34:14.989 --> 00:34:15.210
you know,
1394
00:34:15.330 --> 00:34:18.080
messaging strategy to make it seem like
1395
00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:19.370
they're a big deal.
1396
00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:20.730
They are
1397
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:21.929
producing
1398
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:23.889
results in,
1399
00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:24.330
you know,
1400
00:34:24.460 --> 00:34:26.120
certain states and putting
1401
00:34:26.580 --> 00:34:27.770
forward their candidates,
1402
00:34:27.860 --> 00:34:29.960
and they do have a platform.
1403
00:34:30.969 --> 00:34:31.159
You know,
1404
00:34:32.130 --> 00:34:36.980
on their website and we have heard Hassan and like the recent Axios interview like
1405
00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:39.130
say some things that
1406
00:34:39.290 --> 00:34:39.670
just
1407
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.710
are far outside the political status quo
1408
00:34:43.010 --> 00:34:45.040
that has existed for the last few years.
1409
00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:46.550
That's a real phenomenon.
1410
00:34:46.969 --> 00:34:48.980
You're saying you reject it,
1411
00:34:49.530 --> 00:34:51.350
but you don't reject everybody who
1412
00:34:51.570 --> 00:34:52.030
is
1413
00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:53.440
in favor of that.
1414
00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:54.380
But
1415
00:34:54.530 --> 00:34:57.550
do you feel like you're in an uncomfortable position being squeezed?
1416
00:34:58.240 --> 00:34:58.430
No,
1417
00:34:58.520 --> 00:34:58.630
I,
1418
00:34:58.680 --> 00:35:00.780
I think this is very much
1419
00:35:01.070 --> 00:35:01.780
a
1420
00:35:01.930 --> 00:35:04.670
picture that is being created by social media,
1421
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.710
this idea that oh how you're just in the center of all of this.
1422
00:35:08.260 --> 00:35:11.690
I think that there is no one true spokesman for the Democratic Party
1423
00:35:11.860 --> 00:35:13.860
and the whole purpose of being a big tent party
1424
00:35:14.020 --> 00:35:15.720
is being open to new ideas.
1425
00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:16.050
Now,
1426
00:35:16.140 --> 00:35:18.880
does that mean that you are going to accept every policy prescription
1427
00:35:19.140 --> 00:35:19.970
just flat out?
1428
00:35:20.020 --> 00:35:20.570
Of course not,
1429
00:35:20.660 --> 00:35:20.780
right?
1430
00:35:20.860 --> 00:35:21.200
But
1431
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.410
if Zuan Mamdani does something that is considered
1432
00:35:23.410 --> 00:35:25.130
more radical in New York and is successful,
1433
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.170
why not implement it?
1434
00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:26.990
The whole purpose
1435
00:35:27.100 --> 00:35:30.140
is to build a country for every single American.
1436
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:31.520
Does that mean at some point,
1437
00:35:31.700 --> 00:35:33.690
maybe a socialist is gonna come up with something nice?
1438
00:35:33.740 --> 00:35:34.240
Of course.
1439
00:35:34.460 --> 00:35:35.090
And if that's the case,
1440
00:35:35.150 --> 00:35:35.530
we work together.
1441
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:36.390
Make it a reality.
1442
00:35:36.410 --> 00:35:37.670
A Republican can do the same thing.
1443
00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:38.820
I know a lot of people tend to
1444
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.370
credit Mitt Romney for Obama's expansion of healthcare.
1445
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:42.360
If that was the case,
1446
00:35:42.690 --> 00:35:43.230
so be it.
1447
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:43.870
That's great.
1448
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.460
We're a government for America,
1449
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:46.590
for Americans.
1450
00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:47.310
So again,
1451
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:48.110
when it comes to Hassan,
1452
00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:49.030
I think he's a fucking clown.
1453
00:35:49.160 --> 00:35:49.230
I,
1454
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:49.430
I mean,
1455
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.190
I've said it a million times myself and again,
1456
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:51.660
like I said,
1457
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:52.580
no person
1458
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:57.440
is a spokesman for the largest or second largest political entity in the country.
1459
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:58.070
So I,
1460
00:35:58.120 --> 00:35:59.220
I don't think Hassan is
1461
00:35:59.500 --> 00:36:01.390
speaking for every Democrat when he says crazy things
1462
00:36:01.390 --> 00:36:03.270
or even speaking for every member of the DSA.
1463
00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:03.750
Um,
1464
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.110
and if I think that they had their head on their shoulders,
1465
00:36:06.160 --> 00:36:07.610
he probably wouldn't be endorsing him either.
1466
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:08.330
Yeah,
1467
00:36:08.600 --> 00:36:09.910
but he's not the only person saying,
1468
00:36:10.050 --> 00:36:10.620
I mean,
1469
00:36:11.120 --> 00:36:11.510
in general,
1470
00:36:11.560 --> 00:36:11.870
I've been,
1471
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:13.430
I've been gobsmacked.
1472
00:36:14.250 --> 00:36:15.390
By some of the things that
1473
00:36:15.570 --> 00:36:18.240
key leaders of the of the DSA have said in recent interviews,
1474
00:36:18.330 --> 00:36:19.360
it's shocking.
1475
00:36:20.730 --> 00:36:21.280
We will see.
1476
00:36:21.340 --> 00:36:21.480
I mean,
1477
00:36:21.530 --> 00:36:25.830
it's hard not to imagine that the results of these midterms will be
1478
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.370
folded into some narrative and if
1479
00:36:28.770 --> 00:36:30.170
Democrats do really well,
1480
00:36:30.450 --> 00:36:31.360
which they might,
1481
00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:31.710
I,
1482
00:36:31.770 --> 00:36:32.760
I question
1483
00:36:32.890 --> 00:36:35.830
how these polls seem like they're way.
1484
00:36:36.410 --> 00:36:37.040
Out of whack.
1485
00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:37.200
Like,
1486
00:36:37.290 --> 00:36:38.040
I don't know if
1487
00:36:38.250 --> 00:36:40.280
they'll take the House and the Senate,
1488
00:36:40.730 --> 00:36:41.710
but let's just say
1489
00:36:41.830 --> 00:36:43.070
they do really well
1490
00:36:43.240 --> 00:36:45.750
and they do or they almost do.
1491
00:36:46.490 --> 00:36:48.550
That is going to put a ton of momentum.
1492
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.550
Behind this DSA movement and I,
1493
00:36:51.600 --> 00:36:51.970
I just,
1494
00:36:52.040 --> 00:36:53.970
I do wonder how that's gonna play out,
1495
00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:54.900
um,
1496
00:36:55.520 --> 00:36:57.200
and if they underperform
1497
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:57.910
that could be,
1498
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.540
it could be existential for them because it could be the end.
1499
00:37:00.970 --> 00:37:01.740
So we'll see,
1500
00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:02.250
but yeah,
1501
00:37:02.490 --> 00:37:02.640
I,
1502
00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:05.680
I appreciate you kind of positioning yourself in,
1503
00:37:05.810 --> 00:37:06.800
in that mix.
1504
00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:09.730
It's important to acknowledge that the DSA organization in
1505
00:37:09.730 --> 00:37:12.670
and of itself is still more unpopular than even
1506
00:37:12.850 --> 00:37:14.800
the president of the United States right now,
1507
00:37:14.890 --> 00:37:17.160
who is one of the most popular presidents in modern history.
1508
00:37:17.250 --> 00:37:17.500
Yeah,
1509
00:37:17.690 --> 00:37:19.590
the thing is that they have standouts
1510
00:37:19.790 --> 00:37:23.840
that shine much brighter than the organization itself like Zoran Mamdani,
1511
00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:24.200
for example,
1512
00:37:24.330 --> 00:37:24.670
like
1513
00:37:24.810 --> 00:37:25.540
AOC
1514
00:37:25.810 --> 00:37:26.950
and At the end of the day,
1515
00:37:27.250 --> 00:37:28.150
on the national level,
1516
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:29.150
they likely are
1517
00:37:29.290 --> 00:37:32.390
to underperform and we've seen them pick up key races in
1518
00:37:33.050 --> 00:37:33.440
severe,
1519
00:37:33.530 --> 00:37:33.740
like,
1520
00:37:33.940 --> 00:37:34.480
not severely,
1521
00:37:34.770 --> 00:37:36.230
very deep blue areas,
1522
00:37:36.530 --> 00:37:38.760
but I don't think it necessarily speaks to a
1523
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.920
huge ideological shift at the core of the party.
1524
00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:41.710
Uh now,
1525
00:37:41.810 --> 00:37:42.620
they are taking power.
1526
00:37:42.730 --> 00:37:44.070
That is something to recognize
1527
00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:44.790
and if
1528
00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:48.970
they were to implement their policy as it's clearly laid out in their,
1529
00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:50.280
in their platform,
1530
00:37:50.530 --> 00:37:51.560
that's definitely concerning.
1531
00:37:52.020 --> 00:37:52.770
But at the end of the day,
1532
00:37:52.790 --> 00:37:53.600
it's a question of
1533
00:37:53.730 --> 00:37:54.930
people being principled
1534
00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:58.630
and not just appealing to something that is poli politically popular but rather
1535
00:37:58.860 --> 00:37:59.920
sticking to your guns
1536
00:38:00.060 --> 00:38:02.200
and not allowing somebody to capture your thoughts just because,
1537
00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:02.430
I mean,
1538
00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:04.310
it's the popular cool DSA
1539
00:38:04.450 --> 00:38:05.410
niche thing right now.
1540
00:38:05.540 --> 00:38:05.870
So
1541
00:38:06.250 --> 00:38:08.410
I think we'll see how the events transpire and
1542
00:38:08.410 --> 00:38:10.420
uh when Democrats take both houses of Congress,
1543
00:38:10.490 --> 00:38:13.860
I'll be very happy and hopefully it's not captured by a bunch of socialists.
1544
00:38:14.130 --> 00:38:14.440
Yeah,
1545
00:38:14.610 --> 00:38:14.720
well,
1546
00:38:14.770 --> 00:38:15.120
it sounds,
1547
00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:16.630
you sound optimistic and
1548
00:38:16.940 --> 00:38:17.560
I think
1549
00:38:18.610 --> 00:38:20.980
something that's important to acknowledge though is like
1550
00:38:20.980 --> 00:38:23.250
you said when in your exchange with George was
1551
00:38:23.490 --> 00:38:25.300
it isn't just the DSA
1552
00:38:25.410 --> 00:38:29.960
that is proposing ideas that could be coded as communist or uh socialist,
1553
00:38:30.050 --> 00:38:30.200
you know,
1554
00:38:30.370 --> 00:38:30.630
Trump,
1555
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.710
the Trump administration has been playing with a lot of wild ideas.
1556
00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:35.610
Stakes in private companies,
1557
00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:36.160
um,
1558
00:38:36.730 --> 00:38:37.140
you know,
1559
00:38:37.160 --> 00:38:37.190
they're,
1560
00:38:37.810 --> 00:38:40.430
they've been doing a lot of things that could be seen,
1561
00:38:40.870 --> 00:38:40.990
um,
1562
00:38:41.370 --> 00:38:43.400
as moving in that direction as well.
1563
00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:44.190
So it's not,
1564
00:38:44.850 --> 00:38:46.680
I don't wanna make it seem like they're in normal
1565
00:38:46.680 --> 00:38:48.990
land and the Democrats are deciding if they're not.
1566
00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:50.240
Um,
1567
00:38:50.330 --> 00:38:52.480
everybody is in not normal land from
1568
00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:52.620
my,
1569
00:38:53.150 --> 00:38:54.270
from my perspective.
1570
00:38:54.450 --> 00:38:54.600
OK,
1571
00:38:54.740 --> 00:38:55.260
so the
1572
00:38:55.930 --> 00:38:57.890
next clip is with you and Dennis.
1573
00:38:58.930 --> 00:38:59.280
Dennis,
1574
00:38:59.330 --> 00:38:59.960
if you're watching this,
1575
00:39:00.040 --> 00:39:00.130
I've,
1576
00:39:00.250 --> 00:39:01.550
I've met him on a few.
1577
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.410
This is actually just gonna be kind of like uh Dennis,
1578
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:05.350
what were you thinking?
1579
00:39:05.470 --> 00:39:05.850
So
1580
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.030
history of corruption,
1581
00:39:07.080 --> 00:39:08.920
I think your claim is Trump's the most
1582
00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:10.190
corrupt president.
1583
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.600
This is what Dennis comes at you with.
1584
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:16.540
What were the corruption allegations around the 11th president?
1585
00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:17.540
I don't know.
1586
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:18.070
OK,
1587
00:39:18.120 --> 00:39:19.430
what about the 15th president?
1588
00:39:19.530 --> 00:39:20.110
It's not relevant.
1589
00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:21.350
What about the 23rd president?
1590
00:39:21.370 --> 00:39:23.060
What's important to do is your claim is history.
1591
00:39:23.180 --> 00:39:23.490
We're gonna start
1592
00:39:23.740 --> 00:39:24.030
claim is
1593
00:39:24.190 --> 00:39:24.200
history.
1594
00:39:24.290 --> 00:39:24.300
No,
1595
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:24.440
no,
1596
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:24.790
no.
1597
00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:25.330
Here's the thing,
1598
00:39:25.370 --> 00:39:25.560
I'm,
1599
00:39:25.690 --> 00:39:26.520
I'm proving that you can't.
1600
00:39:27.170 --> 00:39:27.730
I'm proving,
1601
00:39:27.850 --> 00:39:28.320
can I finish?
1602
00:39:28.530 --> 00:39:30.040
I'm proving that you can't back up your claim
1603
00:39:30.040 --> 00:39:31.680
because you don't even know the history around it.
1604
00:39:31.750 --> 00:39:32.230
You do.
1605
00:39:32.530 --> 00:39:32.600
No,
1606
00:39:32.690 --> 00:39:32.800
I,
1607
00:39:32.930 --> 00:39:33.400
I don't have to.
1608
00:39:33.450 --> 00:39:34.110
I didn't make the claim.
1609
00:39:34.210 --> 00:39:34.280
No,
1610
00:39:34.470 --> 00:39:34.480
no,
1611
00:39:34.570 --> 00:39:34.600
no,
1612
00:39:34.660 --> 00:39:34.680
no,
1613
00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:34.730
no.
1614
00:39:34.770 --> 00:39:35.280
That's the thing.
1615
00:39:35.610 --> 00:39:36.880
I didn't make this claim.
1616
00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:37.410
Breathe,
1617
00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:37.780
breathe,
1618
00:39:37.910 --> 00:39:38.000
breathe,
1619
00:39:38.140 --> 00:39:38.320
breathe.
1620
00:39:38.570 --> 00:39:39.080
What are you saying?
1621
00:39:39.230 --> 00:39:40.490
You're trying to shift the burden onto me.
1622
00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:40.560
No,
1623
00:39:40.770 --> 00:39:40.800
no,
1624
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:40.850
no.
1625
00:39:40.890 --> 00:39:42.270
Let me explain to you why I asked the question.
1626
00:39:42.490 --> 00:39:42.980
Can you tell me,
1627
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:44.000
do you want to take back your claim?
1628
00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:45.560
You have a second to take back your claim.
1629
00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:45.660
No,
1630
00:39:45.870 --> 00:39:45.880
no,
1631
00:39:45.930 --> 00:39:46.000
no,
1632
00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:46.180
no.
1633
00:39:46.250 --> 00:39:46.750
Take it back.
1634
00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:47.330
Take it back.
1635
00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:47.880
Notice how you don't.
1636
00:39:48.030 --> 00:39:49.000
Why don't you just take it back.
1637
00:39:49.540 --> 00:39:50.370
Do yourself a favor.
1638
00:39:50.490 --> 00:39:51.090
Take your claim back.
1639
00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:54.250
Did any of those presidents proved you can't any of those presidents proved,
1640
00:39:54.340 --> 00:39:55.370
did any of those proved,
1641
00:39:55.390 --> 00:39:56.640
did any just proved any.
1642
00:39:56.660 --> 00:39:57.320
You just proved
1643
00:39:57.580 --> 00:40:00.330
any of those presidents have senior campaign advisors working with
1644
00:40:00.330 --> 00:40:03.110
Russian oligarchs to try and interfere in the 2016 election?
1645
00:40:03.180 --> 00:40:03.870
12th president,
1646
00:40:04.060 --> 00:40:04.660
corruption.
1647
00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:05.680
What did he do?
1648
00:40:05.700 --> 00:40:06.050
What did he do?
1649
00:40:06.140 --> 00:40:06.170
No,
1650
00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:06.300
no,
1651
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.170
this is about history.
1652
00:40:07.340 --> 00:40:08.080
This is about history.
1653
00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:08.880
I don't think it's
1654
00:40:09.220 --> 00:40:09.490
Russia.
1655
00:40:09.710 --> 00:40:09.900
OK,
1656
00:40:10.180 --> 00:40:10.680
I'll give you.
1657
00:40:11.350 --> 00:40:12.900
Launching 40th insurrection
1658
00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:13.740
on the Capitol.
1659
00:40:14.310 --> 00:40:15.300
Any of those presidents launching
1660
00:40:16.190 --> 00:40:18.110
Andrew Jackson literally burned down the White House.
1661
00:40:19.310 --> 00:40:19.950
Dennis and David,
1662
00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:21.420
we cannot hear either of you.
1663
00:40:21.550 --> 00:40:22.560
You mentioned something very important.
1664
00:40:22.710 --> 00:40:23.430
I don't know if I want to hear
1665
00:40:23.580 --> 00:40:24.140
something very,
1666
00:40:24.190 --> 00:40:25.890
I know you don't because you know I'm gonna make great points.
1667
00:40:26.070 --> 00:40:26.990
You mentioned something very important.
1668
00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:27.220
OK,
1669
00:40:27.310 --> 00:40:27.500
we can,
1670
00:40:27.590 --> 00:40:28.090
we can,
1671
00:40:28.200 --> 00:40:29.080
we can stop it there.
1672
00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:29.750
We can stop it there.
1673
00:40:29.910 --> 00:40:30.570
Dennis,
1674
00:40:30.830 --> 00:40:32.380
if you're listening and watching,
1675
00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:33.890
I don't think that
1676
00:40:34.790 --> 00:40:35.220
worked.
1677
00:40:38.040 --> 00:40:39.170
I don't think that worked.
1678
00:40:40.220 --> 00:40:42.570
This is where I'm going to be the most on your side.
1679
00:40:42.700 --> 00:40:44.290
This is the biggest vulnerability
1680
00:40:44.540 --> 00:40:46.210
and the hardest thing to defend,
1681
00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:49.240
which is why I think he looks for a loophole to not
1682
00:40:49.680 --> 00:40:53.160
have to defend it is the personal enrichment that we've seen
1683
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:54.890
from this current administration.
1684
00:40:55.600 --> 00:40:56.220
Is
1685
00:40:56.680 --> 00:41:00.030
multiple orders of magnitude greater than anything that came before it.
1686
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.060
You go into the Russiagate stuff.
1687
00:41:03.240 --> 00:41:07.230
I don't know if any of that is as clear cut as maybe you argue it is.
1688
00:41:07.290 --> 00:41:07.660
Like
1689
00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:09.390
the Mueller report
1690
00:41:09.640 --> 00:41:09.950
was like,
1691
00:41:10.120 --> 00:41:10.200
yeah,
1692
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:11.550
some of this looks sketch,
1693
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:12.200
but
1694
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:13.200
as far as we can tell,
1695
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.150
no collusion.
1696
00:41:14.240 --> 00:41:14.590
And then,
1697
00:41:14.680 --> 00:41:14.790
you know,
1698
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:15.910
the book's sort of shut
1699
00:41:16.080 --> 00:41:16.430
there.
1700
00:41:16.600 --> 00:41:18.460
Obviously we have the recent headline with
1701
00:41:18.640 --> 00:41:19.200
the wedding,
1702
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:20.350
who paid for that.
1703
00:41:20.850 --> 00:41:21.790
So there's,
1704
00:41:21.850 --> 00:41:23.720
there's Russia's sketchiness,
1705
00:41:23.970 --> 00:41:25.080
but in general,
1706
00:41:25.170 --> 00:41:26.010
I just think if,
1707
00:41:26.250 --> 00:41:29.000
if we narrow it down to the things that are undeniable,
1708
00:41:29.410 --> 00:41:30.840
the personal enrichment.
1709
00:41:31.700 --> 00:41:33.320
The alleys
1710
00:41:33.540 --> 00:41:35.790
that have been made for money to enter
1711
00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:37.200
the president's pockets
1712
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.500
from foreign leaders,
1713
00:41:38.700 --> 00:41:39.090
that is,
1714
00:41:39.220 --> 00:41:40.240
it's staggering,
1715
00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:40.530
and,
1716
00:41:40.580 --> 00:41:41.840
and it is indefensible.
1717
00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:42.290
Uh,
1718
00:41:42.740 --> 00:41:43.710
did I miss anything?
1719
00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:44.050
No,
1720
00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:45.480
I think it was really funny
1721
00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:48.050
that in an attempt to run a cover for Donald Trump,
1722
00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:49.760
I don't recall Andrew Jackson burning to the White.
1723
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:50.290
I could be wrong,
1724
00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:51.170
I'm not a history buff,
1725
00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:51.560
but
1726
00:41:51.700 --> 00:41:52.760
even that's
1727
00:41:52.870 --> 00:41:55.390
the comparable event burning down the White House
1728
00:41:55.460 --> 00:41:57.370
is what we're gonna compare to Donald Trump's.
1729
00:41:57.460 --> 00:41:58.770
I feel like it's a relatively bad look,
1730
00:41:58.900 --> 00:41:59.290
right?
1731
00:41:59.850 --> 00:42:01.880
If something as significant as that.
1732
00:42:02.250 --> 00:42:04.230
Is the only thing you could possibly think of that holds
1733
00:42:04.230 --> 00:42:07.320
a candle to the level of corruption and malfeasance we've seen
1734
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.560
over the last decade and Donald Trump's across both of his terms.
1735
00:42:10.680 --> 00:42:11.180
I think
1736
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.780
that in and of itself really speaks to the unprecedented nature of,
1737
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.430
of the administration and you said something incredibly important,
1738
00:42:18.640 --> 00:42:19.430
the self-enrichment.
1739
00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:20.700
I mentioned it a couple times.
1740
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.400
I didn't mention it.
1741
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.750
I think that was an issue on my part 100% because it's absolutely.
1742
00:42:24.060 --> 00:42:24.530
undeniable.
1743
00:42:24.580 --> 00:42:24.690
I mean,
1744
00:42:24.740 --> 00:42:25.890
he's netted his family
1745
00:42:26.200 --> 00:42:27.000
billions
1746
00:42:27.150 --> 00:42:27.400
of
1747
00:42:27.610 --> 00:42:28.370
dollars
1748
00:42:28.700 --> 00:42:29.490
selling pardons,
1749
00:42:29.620 --> 00:42:30.570
making crypto money,
1750
00:42:30.740 --> 00:42:32.130
deals with foreign governments,
1751
00:42:32.660 --> 00:42:34.200
allowing his son-in-law Jared Kushner
1752
00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:37.120
to go and solicit billions of dollars from Saudi Arabia
1753
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:40.090
for his firm when he said he promised he wouldn't do that.
1754
00:42:40.180 --> 00:42:42.210
It's just absolutely undeniable.
1755
00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:42.490
Um,
1756
00:42:42.540 --> 00:42:43.890
it's all up in our face and I mean,
1757
00:42:43.940 --> 00:42:44.850
I think Dennis,
1758
00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:45.410
listen.
1759
00:42:46.010 --> 00:42:47.790
If I can recognize one thing
1760
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:49.520
from Dennis and compliment anybody in that circle,
1761
00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:50.400
it's that Dennis,
1762
00:42:50.490 --> 00:42:51.350
he will
1763
00:42:51.730 --> 00:42:54.240
try his hardest to find a single loophole
1764
00:42:54.240 --> 00:42:56.060
when he knows that the prompt is undeniable,
1765
00:42:56.090 --> 00:42:56.770
and he tried there,
1766
00:42:56.810 --> 00:42:56.960
you know,
1767
00:42:57.010 --> 00:42:59.270
he's gonna question all my history knowledge and
1768
00:42:59.450 --> 00:43:00.530
just destroy me in that regard,
1769
00:43:00.610 --> 00:43:00.970
but I still,
1770
00:43:01.050 --> 00:43:02.910
I think he still ended up burning himself in the end,
1771
00:43:02.930 --> 00:43:03.590
sadly.
1772
00:43:03.930 --> 00:43:04.060
Yeah,
1773
00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:04.400
he's nice.
1774
00:43:04.830 --> 00:43:06.980
I enjoy chatting with him and seeing him on set,
1775
00:43:07.070 --> 00:43:07.530
but
1776
00:43:09.230 --> 00:43:10.580
I don't think that one worked.
1777
00:43:10.830 --> 00:43:12.550
One thing I will ask you though,
1778
00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:13.860
this is actually important,
1779
00:43:13.910 --> 00:43:16.300
and I think this is where the burden does shift
1780
00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:17.740
on the Democrats.
1781
00:43:17.870 --> 00:43:18.420
As
1782
00:43:18.670 --> 00:43:21.580
corrupt as Trump's actions may appear,
1783
00:43:21.750 --> 00:43:23.000
the jury is still out
1784
00:43:23.830 --> 00:43:25.860
for whether any of it's illegal,
1785
00:43:25.990 --> 00:43:26.570
you know.
1786
00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:27.520
And
1787
00:43:27.630 --> 00:43:28.110
so
1788
00:43:28.310 --> 00:43:29.530
if AOC becomes president,
1789
00:43:29.670 --> 00:43:31.380
if Jon Ossoff becomes president,
1790
00:43:31.550 --> 00:43:33.180
if Tallarico becomes president,
1791
00:43:33.650 --> 00:43:35.980
What is the likelihood that you see them?
1792
00:43:37.030 --> 00:43:37.610
Taking
1793
00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:40.200
time and energy out of their,
1794
00:43:40.240 --> 00:43:42.240
their administrations to
1795
00:43:43.170 --> 00:43:43.950
Basically,
1796
00:43:44.290 --> 00:43:44.300
uh,
1797
00:43:44.650 --> 00:43:46.350
restrict them from doing anything and,
1798
00:43:46.410 --> 00:43:46.700
and,
1799
00:43:46.730 --> 00:43:48.700
and prevent it from happening in,
1800
00:43:48.810 --> 00:43:49.480
in the future.
1801
00:43:49.570 --> 00:43:49.800
You know,
1802
00:43:49.930 --> 00:43:50.310
like
1803
00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:51.590
Trump has,
1804
00:43:51.690 --> 00:43:52.230
has
1805
00:43:52.410 --> 00:43:56.080
empowered the executive branch so much that
1806
00:43:56.570 --> 00:43:59.360
if a lot of these things that we're calling out as horrifying,
1807
00:43:59.490 --> 00:44:00.620
if Democrats want to,
1808
00:44:00.650 --> 00:44:01.200
to change it,
1809
00:44:01.290 --> 00:44:02.790
they're going to have to go in and,
1810
00:44:02.860 --> 00:44:02.900
and
1811
00:44:03.830 --> 00:44:05.180
Shrink the executive,
1812
00:44:05.310 --> 00:44:05.700
take
1813
00:44:05.930 --> 00:44:06.580
defang it,
1814
00:44:06.670 --> 00:44:07.460
take power away from it.
1815
00:44:07.550 --> 00:44:08.620
Do you think that's going to happen?
1816
00:44:08.710 --> 00:44:11.580
Do you think Democrats would be that self-sacrificing?
1817
00:44:11.710 --> 00:44:12.580
I think they should
1818
00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:15.460
only after wielding power like Republicans.
1819
00:44:15.550 --> 00:44:16.810
I think that's the important
1820
00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:17.980
caveat.
1821
00:44:18.230 --> 00:44:19.420
I think you take office.
1822
00:44:19.700 --> 00:44:21.960
Build power like Republicans and once it's all said and done,
1823
00:44:22.020 --> 00:44:24.800
you defang the executive as you should and not allow it to just
1824
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.670
act unilaterally off of executive fiat to do whatever the president wants.
1825
00:44:28.890 --> 00:44:30.760
And out of all the three candidates he listed,
1826
00:44:30.810 --> 00:44:33.320
I'm obviously the most familiar with James Salarico
1827
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:34.750
because he's running in my state
1828
00:44:34.890 --> 00:44:35.200
for Senate.
1829
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:35.820
He's gonna win.
1830
00:44:36.230 --> 00:44:36.830
So anybody watching,
1831
00:44:36.850 --> 00:44:37.340
go on him up.
1832
00:44:37.670 --> 00:44:38.060
I'm not,
1833
00:44:38.230 --> 00:44:40.100
I'm not saying Jubilee sponsors James Salri.
1834
00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:40.910
I'm this is me.
1835
00:44:40.990 --> 00:44:41.590
This is David.
1836
00:44:41.680 --> 00:44:42.690
I approve this message.
1837
00:44:43.150 --> 00:44:43.560
But we might,
1838
00:44:43.710 --> 00:44:43.900
I mean,
1839
00:44:43.950 --> 00:44:44.220
we've had,
1840
00:44:44.270 --> 00:44:45.460
we've obviously done videos with him.
1841
00:44:45.490 --> 00:44:46.030
You had him on the show.
1842
00:44:46.110 --> 00:44:46.460
That's true.
1843
00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:46.620
Hey,
1844
00:44:46.710 --> 00:44:48.190
he should get on the split as well.
1845
00:44:48.910 --> 00:44:50.800
He's a very interesting figure right now.
1846
00:44:51.070 --> 00:44:51.180
Yeah,
1847
00:44:51.430 --> 00:44:53.030
as with him specifically,
1848
00:44:53.270 --> 00:44:56.840
he is definitely posturing himself as an anti-corruption candidate,
1849
00:44:56.870 --> 00:44:58.180
banning congressional stock trading,
1850
00:44:58.230 --> 00:44:59.420
revisiting Citizens United,
1851
00:44:59.510 --> 00:45:01.020
making sure there's no level of corruption,
1852
00:45:01.270 --> 00:45:03.980
really coming after the administration and seeking transparency.
1853
00:45:04.330 --> 00:45:06.410
If any Democrat is making that promise now,
1854
00:45:06.530 --> 00:45:07.470
they gotta stick to it.
1855
00:45:07.720 --> 00:45:10.160
So no matter what it looks like at the end of the day,
1856
00:45:10.570 --> 00:45:12.640
we should wield power like Republicans at first,
1857
00:45:12.830 --> 00:45:15.150
but we need to return the country to a state of normalcy
1858
00:45:15.290 --> 00:45:17.000
so nothing like Donald Trump can ever happen again.
1859
00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:17.920
How's it gonna happen?
1860
00:45:18.090 --> 00:45:19.550
I can't say I have all the answers,
1861
00:45:19.810 --> 00:45:20.150
but
1862
00:45:20.370 --> 00:45:21.560
consistency is important,
1863
00:45:21.650 --> 00:45:25.180
and I'm tired of Democrats flip flopping on messaging
1864
00:45:25.450 --> 00:45:27.730
and not sticking to their guns because it may not be political,
1865
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:29.480
politically advantageous in the moment.
1866
00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:30.020
So
1867
00:45:30.370 --> 00:45:32.160
I'd say stick to the anti-corruption posture,
1868
00:45:32.180 --> 00:45:33.190
and I think we'll be all right.
1869
00:45:34.050 --> 00:45:34.320
Yeah,
1870
00:45:34.450 --> 00:45:34.920
and I just,
1871
00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:35.320
my,
1872
00:45:35.370 --> 00:45:36.840
my general feeling is like,
1873
00:45:36.930 --> 00:45:39.190
if the door is not shut on these things.
1874
00:45:40.140 --> 00:45:40.600
Legally
1875
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:44.000
They will just grow and grow and grow and grow.
1876
00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:45.080
Trump has,
1877
00:45:45.540 --> 00:45:46.710
and to his credit,
1878
00:45:47.020 --> 00:45:51.180
reimagined and transformed what an American president
1879
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:53.700
is and how we think of it and what
1880
00:45:54.020 --> 00:45:56.660
it is possible to do and get away with.
1881
00:45:57.200 --> 00:45:57.440
Um,
1882
00:45:57.560 --> 00:45:58.870
and not apologize for,
1883
00:45:59.120 --> 00:46:00.870
and that is the blueprint
1884
00:46:01.300 --> 00:46:02.030
for the future.
1885
00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:02.470
Um,
1886
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.150
not everybody will be as charismatic as him,
1887
00:46:05.240 --> 00:46:05.460
but,
1888
00:46:05.680 --> 00:46:05.750
uh,
1889
00:46:06.090 --> 00:46:08.550
we will be back to this place and it will be bigger.
1890
00:46:09.600 --> 00:46:10.080
We'll see.
1891
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:11.990
One of your claims was about free speech.
1892
00:46:12.120 --> 00:46:13.420
I was actually surprised.
1893
00:46:13.640 --> 00:46:13.750
Well,
1894
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:13.990
no,
1895
00:46:14.010 --> 00:46:14.870
I wasn't surprised,
1896
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:15.300
but
1897
00:46:15.560 --> 00:46:16.550
let's watch this clip.
1898
00:46:16.680 --> 00:46:19.420
This is your prompt on free speech in one of your debates.
1899
00:46:19.640 --> 00:46:19.830
You know,
1900
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:21.200
I can see some
1901
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.670
of your point talking points,
1902
00:46:22.700 --> 00:46:24.310
even though obviously super misdirected,
1903
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:24.620
but.
1904
00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:28.250
I'd love to hear how anything compares to
1905
00:46:28.460 --> 00:46:30.120
shutting down authorities during COVID,
1906
00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:31.570
which cost millions of lives,
1907
00:46:31.850 --> 00:46:33.350
covering up the Hunter Biden laptop,
1908
00:46:33.370 --> 00:46:33.930
and having
1909
00:46:34.050 --> 00:46:35.720
51 FBI agents lie about it,
1910
00:46:35.770 --> 00:46:37.050
which swung an election,
1911
00:46:37.370 --> 00:46:37.600
um,
1912
00:46:37.890 --> 00:46:40.750
to de-platforming a president off of social media to
1913
00:46:41.370 --> 00:46:41.520
their,
1914
00:46:41.730 --> 00:46:41.770
uh,
1915
00:46:41.930 --> 00:46:42.040
uh,
1916
00:46:42.220 --> 00:46:42.680
Shellenberger,
1917
00:46:42.810 --> 00:46:43.400
Matt Taibbi,
1918
00:46:43.490 --> 00:46:45.040
all these people who weren't even,
1919
00:46:45.130 --> 00:46:46.520
even aren't even right leaning,
1920
00:46:46.650 --> 00:46:47.760
saying that the Twitter files,
1921
00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:48.320
uh,
1922
00:46:48.810 --> 00:46:51.280
are very clear about the fact that all the censorship
1923
00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:53.080
heavily favored Democrats,
1924
00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:54.880
heavily punished Republicans.
1925
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:55.470
Oh,
1926
00:46:56.080 --> 00:46:56.120
I,
1927
00:46:56.240 --> 00:46:56.310
I,
1928
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:56.950
I have no,
1929
00:46:57.080 --> 00:46:57.110
I,
1930
00:46:57.200 --> 00:46:57.430
I can't,
1931
00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:58.310
I don't even know what you're gonna say.
1932
00:46:58.400 --> 00:46:59.630
Please tell me how you think this is.
1933
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.390
So the things that I'm gonna bring up are actually substantive and
1934
00:47:02.390 --> 00:47:04.420
did happen and did have an effect on the American people.
1935
00:47:04.490 --> 00:47:05.190
The Twitter files,
1936
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.350
Hunter Biden's laptop story,
1937
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:06.980
the New York,
1938
00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:07.140
uh,
1939
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:07.900
Post,
1940
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.250
that post was blocked or,
1941
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:11.260
or I guess
1942
00:47:11.430 --> 00:47:13.720
suppressed for 24 to 48 hours.
1943
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.180
Some accounts that were banned were for 1 to 2 weeks
1944
00:47:16.350 --> 00:47:17.110
to act as if,
1945
00:47:17.240 --> 00:47:17.590
and by the way,
1946
00:47:17.610 --> 00:47:18.860
this was under Donald Trump.
1947
00:47:19.340 --> 00:47:19.760
OK,
1948
00:47:20.260 --> 00:47:20.770
so,
1949
00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:22.050
but even though it was him,
1950
00:47:22.070 --> 00:47:23.570
it was Democratic people pushing it.
1951
00:47:23.660 --> 00:47:24.120
Was there,
1952
00:47:24.630 --> 00:47:27.370
because there were similar attacks before that were from Russia,
1953
00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:27.650
right?
1954
00:47:27.740 --> 00:47:28.880
So there were similar
1955
00:47:29.140 --> 00:47:30.080
outline attacks
1956
00:47:30.260 --> 00:47:30.730
from Russia,
1957
00:47:30.790 --> 00:47:33.240
which is exactly why there was the 51 letters
1958
00:47:33.510 --> 00:47:35.000
claiming that there was some room for concern.
1959
00:47:35.100 --> 00:47:35.800
There's no evidence.
1960
00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:38.130
There's no there's no signed a letter.
1961
00:47:38.220 --> 00:47:39.210
There's no evidence.
1962
00:47:39.340 --> 00:47:40.310
There's no evidence
1963
00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:41.690
that any of these stories.
1964
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.500
Or any of these accounts were suppressed as a result of government pressure.
1965
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:46.270
That's not true.
1966
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:47.470
Mark Zuckerberg admitted it.
1967
00:47:47.600 --> 00:47:49.850
Mark Zuckerberg admitted it only after Donald Trump
1968
00:47:49.850 --> 00:47:51.790
threatened him with incarceration and like no,
1969
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:51.990
no,
1970
00:47:52.050 --> 00:47:53.010
he did it in August
1971
00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:54.050
right before the election,
1972
00:47:54.130 --> 00:47:54.500
believe it or not,
1973
00:47:54.520 --> 00:47:55.110
if
1974
00:47:55.420 --> 00:47:56.340
this is already ruled,
1975
00:47:56.700 --> 00:47:58.900
peel this apart a little bit for me because
1976
00:47:59.430 --> 00:47:59.720
there's,
1977
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.470
you're a little bit more informed on this,
1978
00:48:01.600 --> 00:48:02.890
the decision from Supreme Court.
1979
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:03.440
So
1980
00:48:03.600 --> 00:48:04.280
what's going on here?
1981
00:48:04.970 --> 00:48:07.750
So they ruled against the petitioners on standing.
1982
00:48:07.890 --> 00:48:09.790
They did not have the evidence
1983
00:48:09.950 --> 00:48:13.760
to even clearly lay out a harm done by the administration
1984
00:48:13.970 --> 00:48:15.860
as it pertains to any possible
1985
00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:17.200
media suppression.
1986
00:48:17.530 --> 00:48:17.910
So
1987
00:48:18.050 --> 00:48:18.240
if,
1988
00:48:18.330 --> 00:48:19.510
if that goes
1989
00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:20.350
to the
1990
00:48:20.690 --> 00:48:21.510
Supreme Court,
1991
00:48:21.810 --> 00:48:22.360
the last,
1992
00:48:22.490 --> 00:48:23.530
the court of last resort,
1993
00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:26.040
and they say you lack standing
1994
00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:29.260
to even clearly uh display any kind of harm,
1995
00:48:29.370 --> 00:48:30.440
First Amendment violation.
1996
00:48:30.790 --> 00:48:31.180
I think,
1997
00:48:31.430 --> 00:48:32.980
and there's a reason why conservatives only
1998
00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:35.220
bring up the appellate ruling and not SCOTUS
1999
00:48:35.590 --> 00:48:36.260
because at the end of the day,
2000
00:48:36.350 --> 00:48:37.820
that just destroys that argument.
2001
00:48:37.870 --> 00:48:38.010
The,
2002
00:48:38.030 --> 00:48:39.150
the Biden administration
2003
00:48:39.710 --> 00:48:40.320
exercised
2004
00:48:40.540 --> 00:48:42.650
some level of executive authority,
2005
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.530
but to say they violated the First Amendment,
2006
00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:46.290
I think,
2007
00:48:46.670 --> 00:48:47.200
um,
2008
00:48:47.230 --> 00:48:49.010
is opening the door obviously to
2009
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:51.240
reasonable comparisons between what
2010
00:48:51.530 --> 00:48:54.300
Donald Trump has done and what Joe Biden and Democrats sponsored.
2011
00:48:54.700 --> 00:48:55.400
The truth is,
2012
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.960
you can't use Mark Zuckerberg's word after being threatened with,
2013
00:48:59.060 --> 00:48:59.170
uh,
2014
00:48:59.380 --> 00:49:01.060
Donald Trump essentially ruining his life for
2015
00:49:01.060 --> 00:49:02.880
banning him off of social media or whatever
2016
00:49:03.060 --> 00:49:05.690
as undeniable evidence that there was crazy suppression.
2017
00:49:05.740 --> 00:49:07.610
The truth is there's a high bar.
2018
00:49:07.940 --> 00:49:08.130
Um,
2019
00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:09.660
the First Amendment should be protected.
2020
00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:11.010
And at the end of the day,
2021
00:49:11.090 --> 00:49:14.270
it is to the discretion of social media companies to ban whoever they want.
2022
00:49:14.380 --> 00:49:16.320
And should there be some kind of executive action?
2023
00:49:16.530 --> 00:49:19.650
Only if there's huge national security risk or big implications.
2024
00:49:19.890 --> 00:49:23.160
I don't love the idea of the federal government telling social media companies
2025
00:49:23.160 --> 00:49:27.550
how they can and can't run specifically when it comes to banning voices who
2026
00:49:27.730 --> 00:49:29.480
they might not have banned otherwise.
2027
00:49:29.770 --> 00:49:30.110
But
2028
00:49:30.350 --> 00:49:30.680
again,
2029
00:49:30.850 --> 00:49:33.510
when you're saying that there's a First Amendment violation,
2030
00:49:33.530 --> 00:49:34.690
a violation of free speech,
2031
00:49:34.810 --> 00:49:36.070
you have to provide evidence
2032
00:49:36.210 --> 00:49:36.560
and they could
2033
00:49:37.930 --> 00:49:39.310
So on the specific cases,
2034
00:49:39.520 --> 00:49:39.720
you know,
2035
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:40.460
you're saying there's,
2036
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.470
it doesn't pass the smell test.
2037
00:49:42.560 --> 00:49:44.260
If we're going more with vibes though,
2038
00:49:44.640 --> 00:49:45.780
do you feel like,
2039
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:46.590
you know,
2040
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:47.790
Democrats and liberals,
2041
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:49.150
the liberal media,
2042
00:49:49.240 --> 00:49:49.580
I mean,
2043
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.190
that is both a fake thing and a real thing.
2044
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.750
Do you think they got the vibes wrong?
2045
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:55.420
Do you think it was a mistake to
2046
00:49:55.750 --> 00:49:56.820
take Trump off of,
2047
00:49:57.040 --> 00:49:57.530
of,
2048
00:49:57.600 --> 00:49:57.780
uh,
2049
00:49:57.800 --> 00:49:58.350
Twitter?
2050
00:49:58.480 --> 00:49:58.910
I mean,
2051
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.600
now we read Truth Social
2052
00:50:02.120 --> 00:50:03.060
screenshots.
2053
00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:08.690
Everywhere and it's a platform he owns and monetizes to his own enrichment.
2054
00:50:08.980 --> 00:50:09.210
Like,
2055
00:50:09.370 --> 00:50:10.920
did the left misplay
2056
00:50:11.180 --> 00:50:11.720
some of,
2057
00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:12.840
some of those moves?
2058
00:50:12.940 --> 00:50:13.760
I think
2059
00:50:14.060 --> 00:50:14.640
what
2060
00:50:14.870 --> 00:50:16.720
people on the left tried to do
2061
00:50:17.100 --> 00:50:17.850
was
2062
00:50:18.020 --> 00:50:21.380
once we got out of what was perceived to be the end of the Trump era,
2063
00:50:21.580 --> 00:50:23.600
just wrap it up and hide it away somewhere
2064
00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:25.530
where we could never see it again and obviously
2065
00:50:25.740 --> 00:50:26.520
that failed,
2066
00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:26.970
um,
2067
00:50:27.020 --> 00:50:30.120
and it blew up right in our face because Donald Trump did make his own.
2068
00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:30.680
Uh,
2069
00:50:30.810 --> 00:50:33.040
media company that he is now using to make
2070
00:50:33.040 --> 00:50:35.400
hundreds of thousands of dollars off of subscriptions that they're
2071
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:36.600
gonna sell to people on Wall Street so they
2072
00:50:36.600 --> 00:50:38.670
can get early access to his market moving tweets.
2073
00:50:38.890 --> 00:50:39.840
So 100%,
2074
00:50:39.930 --> 00:50:40.050
yeah,
2075
00:50:40.090 --> 00:50:40.600
I think the,
2076
00:50:40.770 --> 00:50:40.880
the,
2077
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:41.220
the whole
2078
00:50:41.370 --> 00:50:43.230
just suppress the opposition
2079
00:50:43.850 --> 00:50:44.850
definitely blew up in our face,
2080
00:50:44.890 --> 00:50:48.600
and that's exactly why Democrats need to adopt a posture of actually
2081
00:50:48.600 --> 00:50:52.170
directly confronting whoever it is that poses a threat to American democracy,
2082
00:50:52.210 --> 00:50:53.180
because at the end of the day,
2083
00:50:53.530 --> 00:50:54.460
the silence
2084
00:50:54.770 --> 00:50:55.770
breeds.
2085
00:50:56.160 --> 00:50:56.510
Um,
2086
00:50:56.720 --> 00:50:58.750
some level of legitimacy for the opposition.
2087
00:50:58.810 --> 00:51:00.870
That's why I'm very open to talking to radical figures.
2088
00:51:00.990 --> 00:51:03.070
I did talk to Jake Lang a while back.
2089
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:03.620
Um,
2090
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:05.550
I'm willing to talk to more radical figures,
2091
00:51:05.570 --> 00:51:06.220
of course.
2092
00:51:06.460 --> 00:51:07.410
Because at the end of the day,
2093
00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:09.320
if these people are allowed to speak
2094
00:51:09.740 --> 00:51:10.680
with no
2095
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:11.410
accountability,
2096
00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:12.810
with no semblance of pushback,
2097
00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:13.480
with no,
2098
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:15.160
no other critical voice
2099
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:16.480
to oppose their beliefs,
2100
00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:19.000
anybody who watches them is going to be under the impression that
2101
00:51:19.160 --> 00:51:20.810
there is a lot of truth to what they're saying.
2102
00:51:20.860 --> 00:51:21.280
So
2103
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.850
I don't think it was the best move to just ban Donald Trump of all social media.
2104
00:51:24.940 --> 00:51:25.690
Is it justifiable?
2105
00:51:25.720 --> 00:51:25.870
I mean,
2106
00:51:25.940 --> 00:51:26.540
I think so,
2107
00:51:26.700 --> 00:51:27.760
but at the end of the day,
2108
00:51:27.940 --> 00:51:29.000
it's a question of.
2109
00:51:29.730 --> 00:51:33.710
Remaining in power and making sure that people like him never get back into power and
2110
00:51:33.870 --> 00:51:37.640
just ignoring it isn't actually gonna make it go away if you're saying.
2111
00:51:38.010 --> 00:51:38.800
I hear what you're saying.
2112
00:51:38.890 --> 00:51:38.960
Well,
2113
00:51:39.040 --> 00:51:39.240
there's,
2114
00:51:39.290 --> 00:51:40.080
there's kind of two,
2115
00:51:40.170 --> 00:51:40.460
there's,
2116
00:51:40.610 --> 00:51:41.910
there's multiple layers here.
2117
00:51:42.530 --> 00:51:44.200
On the legal layer,
2118
00:51:44.490 --> 00:51:44.800
I mean,
2119
00:51:44.850 --> 00:51:45.990
it doesn't seem
2120
00:51:46.450 --> 00:51:48.600
like there's been clear cases where the First,
2121
00:51:48.730 --> 00:51:49.190
um,
2122
00:51:49.530 --> 00:51:50.950
Amendment was,
2123
00:51:51.010 --> 00:51:53.480
was obviously violated by the Biden administration.
2124
00:51:53.770 --> 00:51:53.810
I
2125
00:51:53.930 --> 00:51:54.430
mean when we
2126
00:51:54.530 --> 00:51:55.960
dig into the Twitter files though,
2127
00:51:56.690 --> 00:52:00.850
I think it's obvious that there was a left-leaning bias across
2128
00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:04.590
the most dominant media institutions around that time,
2129
00:52:05.570 --> 00:52:09.100
and they maybe fumbled the ball and were overreactive.
2130
00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:09.640
That
2131
00:52:10.020 --> 00:52:11.940
fueled a backlash
2132
00:52:12.810 --> 00:52:13.200
that
2133
00:52:13.450 --> 00:52:14.680
came back to bite them.
2134
00:52:15.390 --> 00:52:16.330
When you talk about,
2135
00:52:16.590 --> 00:52:16.820
you know,
2136
00:52:16.950 --> 00:52:18.210
the silence,
2137
00:52:19.270 --> 00:52:21.210
so are you kind of talking about
2138
00:52:21.350 --> 00:52:24.550
the hesitation on the left to engage with
2139
00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:25.580
right-wing,
2140
00:52:25.740 --> 00:52:27.210
far right voices,
2141
00:52:27.350 --> 00:52:27.840
um,
2142
00:52:28.310 --> 00:52:29.420
for fear of platforming?
2143
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.090
Do you think that's still too much of a phobia that people on the left have?
2144
00:52:33.190 --> 00:52:34.020
100%.
2145
00:52:34.270 --> 00:52:35.220
It's undeniable.
2146
00:52:35.390 --> 00:52:35.500
I,
2147
00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:36.540
I think a lot of people,
2148
00:52:36.630 --> 00:52:36.700
I,
2149
00:52:36.790 --> 00:52:37.370
I remember
2150
00:52:37.530 --> 00:52:39.010
to mention Jay Clang again.
2151
00:52:39.070 --> 00:52:40.250
I got some heat for
2152
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.130
debating him because I'm platforming him.
2153
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.540
This guy is a state sponsored terrorist.
2154
00:52:45.080 --> 00:52:47.520
The Trump administration pardoned him and since then he's
2155
00:52:47.520 --> 00:52:50.040
committed crimes on top of crimes across state lines.
2156
00:52:50.290 --> 00:52:51.800
That person is already platformed.
2157
00:52:51.890 --> 00:52:52.970
They've already been legitimized.
2158
00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:53.880
These ideas
2159
00:52:54.050 --> 00:52:56.400
are quite literally being discussed in the White House.
2160
00:52:56.770 --> 00:52:58.520
Suspension of habeas corpus,
2161
00:52:58.810 --> 00:53:00.390
suspension of American elections.
2162
00:53:00.530 --> 00:53:01.680
These things are serious.
2163
00:53:01.810 --> 00:53:02.230
So
2164
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.020
I think a lot of people are scared and they have the right to be,
2165
00:53:05.130 --> 00:53:06.880
but we're living through very scary times.
2166
00:53:06.970 --> 00:53:07.270
But
2167
00:53:07.490 --> 00:53:08.670
this idea that like,
2168
00:53:08.690 --> 00:53:10.030
would it be good for Mehdi,
2169
00:53:10.730 --> 00:53:10.880
um,
2170
00:53:11.040 --> 00:53:13.210
Mehdi Hassan to go to go debate him.
2171
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:14.070
Yes,
2172
00:53:14.200 --> 00:53:17.040
it'd be good for everybody to destroy Jake Lang and make him look like a fool.
2173
00:53:17.310 --> 00:53:17.390
I,
2174
00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:19.860
I think it's good actually for Mehdi Hassan to maybe do a
2175
00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:21.950
1 v20 surrounded format kind of.
2176
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:22.470
I'm just joking,
2177
00:53:22.520 --> 00:53:22.860
obviously
2178
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:24.190
you got a lot of heat for it.
2179
00:53:24.240 --> 00:53:25.910
This is the thing about Mehdi Hassan
2180
00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:27.230
that I think is interesting.
2181
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:27.660
I,
2182
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:28.190
OK,
2183
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:29.790
so a little bit of tea.
2184
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.420
We had Mehdi booked to do a follow-up with me,
2185
00:53:32.730 --> 00:53:32.910
um,
2186
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:33.590
and this was gonna be,
2187
00:53:33.610 --> 00:53:33.790
I think,
2188
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.900
a day after or two days after the episode came out,
2189
00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:38.880
and at the last minute they're like,
2190
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:39.110
Oh,
2191
00:53:39.350 --> 00:53:40.200
my schedule changed,
2192
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:40.750
can't do it,
2193
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:41.290
sorry.
2194
00:53:41.810 --> 00:53:42.190
And
2195
00:53:42.330 --> 00:53:45.040
you know what it obviously was was like that episode went
2196
00:53:45.040 --> 00:53:48.060
super viral and there were bigger people to talk to than
2197
00:53:48.210 --> 00:53:50.450
than me and and and it's totally fine
2198
00:53:50.770 --> 00:53:51.190
but
2199
00:53:51.530 --> 00:53:54.560
what the narrative became was sort of like oh Jubilee is
2200
00:53:54.560 --> 00:53:57.670
like intentionally picked these people who are gonna be like um
2201
00:53:58.250 --> 00:54:01.360
totally awful towards Mehdi and we shouldn't platform
2202
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.840
fascists and I understand the real concerns rooted
2203
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:06.160
in there and I'm not saying that there
2204
00:54:06.160 --> 00:54:09.760
shouldn't be accountability and and and reflection on.
2205
00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:11.420
Whether or not that's good,
2206
00:54:12.090 --> 00:54:12.550
but
2207
00:54:12.700 --> 00:54:13.790
it's undeniable
2208
00:54:14.010 --> 00:54:14.510
that
2209
00:54:15.050 --> 00:54:17.200
his profile was supercharged by that.
2210
00:54:17.330 --> 00:54:17.480
I mean,
2211
00:54:17.570 --> 00:54:19.400
he ran circles around
2212
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.680
those far right people,
2213
00:54:21.770 --> 00:54:25.070
and Charlie Kirk was sort of in the zeitgeist at the time,
2214
00:54:25.090 --> 00:54:25.520
and
2215
00:54:25.810 --> 00:54:27.880
Charlie Kirk made a name for himself,
2216
00:54:28.730 --> 00:54:29.200
going
2217
00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:30.640
out of his way,
2218
00:54:30.730 --> 00:54:34.970
wherever he could to find people on the far left and to debate them.
2219
00:54:35.330 --> 00:54:35.830
And
2220
00:54:35.970 --> 00:54:38.470
it was strange to me that Mehdi didn't
2221
00:54:39.090 --> 00:54:40.690
didn't absorb some.
2222
00:54:41.450 --> 00:54:42.790
Of that formula and just be like,
2223
00:54:42.810 --> 00:54:43.200
oh,
2224
00:54:43.650 --> 00:54:46.210
I can just put people on the far right in their place
2225
00:54:46.370 --> 00:54:47.520
on a regular basis,
2226
00:54:47.650 --> 00:54:49.820
that can be a movement in and of itself.
2227
00:54:50.570 --> 00:54:51.140
Maybe he,
2228
00:54:51.410 --> 00:54:51.560
you know,
2229
00:54:51.730 --> 00:54:53.880
maybe he's just like a more serious journalist than that.
2230
00:54:53.970 --> 00:54:54.120
I,
2231
00:54:54.250 --> 00:54:54.360
I,
2232
00:54:54.490 --> 00:54:55.130
I get that,
2233
00:54:55.250 --> 00:54:55.590
but
2234
00:54:55.770 --> 00:54:55.940
I,
2235
00:54:56.010 --> 00:54:56.260
I,
2236
00:54:56.410 --> 00:54:57.250
I don't know
2237
00:54:57.510 --> 00:54:59.700
why the left seems to feel like it's,
2238
00:54:59.770 --> 00:55:01.480
it's uh unacceptable to,
2239
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:01.920
to,
2240
00:55:01.970 --> 00:55:03.550
to come into contact with
2241
00:55:03.690 --> 00:55:05.720
the people who they should be so confident.
2242
00:55:06.330 --> 00:55:07.560
That they can put in their place.
2243
00:55:07.730 --> 00:55:08.840
It makes no sense,
2244
00:55:08.970 --> 00:55:09.160
right?
2245
00:55:09.250 --> 00:55:09.590
But
2246
00:55:09.970 --> 00:55:10.510
for some reason,
2247
00:55:10.570 --> 00:55:13.920
a lot of people on the left are very risk averse and whenever they're confronted with
2248
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:19.030
crazy ideas that are from the fringes of the fringes of the corners of the deepest
2249
00:55:19.190 --> 00:55:20.010
depths of hell,
2250
00:55:20.410 --> 00:55:21.030
obviously,
2251
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:22.510
they're gonna be a little
2252
00:55:22.730 --> 00:55:24.560
taken aback and reluctant,
2253
00:55:24.610 --> 00:55:25.240
but at the end of the day,
2254
00:55:25.340 --> 00:55:25.800
like I said,
2255
00:55:25.850 --> 00:55:26.350
I mean,
2256
00:55:26.970 --> 00:55:27.400
those people,
2257
00:55:27.530 --> 00:55:28.510
all those people
2258
00:55:28.850 --> 00:55:30.160
aligned with the Trump administration.
2259
00:55:30.470 --> 00:55:31.580
They want mass deportations.
2260
00:55:31.660 --> 00:55:34.050
They want to send foreigners back because they're poisoning the blood of our
2261
00:55:34.070 --> 00:55:36.810
country and they're eating our cats and dogs and taking everything from us.
2262
00:55:36.990 --> 00:55:37.970
They want to make sure
2263
00:55:38.140 --> 00:55:39.580
that Democrats cannot take power.
2264
00:55:39.710 --> 00:55:41.550
They want to establish an authoritarian regime.
2265
00:55:41.830 --> 00:55:45.850
These people are an extension of the people that are already in power.
2266
00:55:46.110 --> 00:55:46.490
So
2267
00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:48.310
when we start saying things like,
2268
00:55:48.350 --> 00:55:48.460
oh,
2269
00:55:48.510 --> 00:55:50.420
we shouldn't platform them because we're granting legitimacy,
2270
00:55:50.470 --> 00:55:53.810
I think that's just incredibly naive and it's in denial of what's
2271
00:55:53.980 --> 00:55:55.860
actually happening because those ideas are already given.
2272
00:55:56.170 --> 00:55:56.690
Legitimacy.
2273
00:55:56.810 --> 00:55:58.280
Donald Trump is an authoritarian president,
2274
00:55:58.370 --> 00:55:59.230
at least in my opinion.
2275
00:55:59.450 --> 00:56:00.630
Some people may disagree,
2276
00:56:00.850 --> 00:56:01.210
but
2277
00:56:01.450 --> 00:56:02.750
that's how I view it and
2278
00:56:02.930 --> 00:56:03.470
I think
2279
00:56:03.610 --> 00:56:06.120
I'm really tired of Democrats or people having the
2280
00:56:06.120 --> 00:56:08.540
perception of Democrats or liberals as being timid,
2281
00:56:08.730 --> 00:56:09.840
as being risk averse,
2282
00:56:09.970 --> 00:56:12.870
as not being open to entertaining radical ideas because of how
2283
00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:13.850
crazy they are.
2284
00:56:14.010 --> 00:56:16.650
And that grants them some level of legitimacy because they're like,
2285
00:56:16.730 --> 00:56:16.930
oh,
2286
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:17.640
look at them,
2287
00:56:17.690 --> 00:56:19.520
they're silent on this because they know he's right.
2288
00:56:19.570 --> 00:56:21.350
The elites don't want you to know this.
2289
00:56:22.110 --> 00:56:22.420
No,
2290
00:56:22.650 --> 00:56:24.830
you should definitely engage with these people and Democrats
2291
00:56:24.830 --> 00:56:26.790
need to adopt the identity or liberals in general.
2292
00:56:26.910 --> 00:56:30.090
Everybody on the left need to adopt the identity of a fighter because
2293
00:56:30.230 --> 00:56:30.780
at the end of the day,
2294
00:56:30.830 --> 00:56:31.670
I think that's what we need.
2295
00:56:31.750 --> 00:56:32.860
We need people that aren't gonna be on the
2296
00:56:32.860 --> 00:56:34.890
front lines because the Lord knows the right has
2297
00:56:35.230 --> 00:56:39.690
an abundance of people who are constantly mouthing off the most disgusting things.
2298
00:56:40.120 --> 00:56:40.910
So We need something similar.
2299
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:42.740
We need a counter and that's why I think debate
2300
00:56:42.990 --> 00:56:44.000
specifically is important.
2301
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.350
And it's also why I'm a little ruthless when I talk to these people.
2302
00:56:46.560 --> 00:56:46.710
No,
2303
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:47.040
and I,
2304
00:56:47.120 --> 00:56:47.350
I mean,
2305
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:48.250
I sense that in,
2306
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:49.300
in sort of your,
2307
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:50.990
your technique and you and Austin are,
2308
00:56:51.030 --> 00:56:51.260
are,
2309
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.220
are doing similar things in some ways
2310
00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:54.910
as long as it's not too belligerent,
2311
00:56:55.080 --> 00:56:58.190
I guess going back to kind of what we were exploring earlier because.
2312
00:56:59.020 --> 00:57:01.930
The thing that stood out to me about the Mehdi
2313
00:57:02.060 --> 00:57:04.320
encounter in Surrounded was just how
2314
00:57:04.660 --> 00:57:06.210
it seemed so effortless.
2315
00:57:06.340 --> 00:57:06.700
Like
2316
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:07.910
he he he
2317
00:57:08.020 --> 00:57:09.980
he handled it so effortlessly.
2318
00:57:10.270 --> 00:57:11.240
I know how he did it.
2319
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:11.790
Yeah,
2320
00:57:12.020 --> 00:57:12.580
and it wasn't
2321
00:57:12.820 --> 00:57:13.210
real quick.
2322
00:57:14.330 --> 00:57:14.450
No,
2323
00:57:14.490 --> 00:57:15.120
I mean it was wild.
2324
00:57:15.140 --> 00:57:16.590
It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen,
2325
00:57:16.730 --> 00:57:18.390
but to Charlie Kirk's credit,
2326
00:57:18.490 --> 00:57:19.860
I do think there was a,
2327
00:57:19.940 --> 00:57:20.260
a,
2328
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.020
a similar sense of,
2329
00:57:22.050 --> 00:57:23.130
of control
2330
00:57:23.250 --> 00:57:26.040
in the places he chose to engage where he,
2331
00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:29.310
he seemed so confident that he could handle it.
2332
00:57:29.330 --> 00:57:30.670
That does take talent,
2333
00:57:30.890 --> 00:57:32.750
and so you don't want the wrong person like running
2334
00:57:32.770 --> 00:57:36.160
into burning buildings and coming out looking like a fool.
2335
00:57:36.520 --> 00:57:36.810
But
2336
00:57:36.930 --> 00:57:37.280
uh
2337
00:57:38.290 --> 00:57:38.660
anyway,
2338
00:57:39.390 --> 00:57:40.770
just some strategy thoughts.
2339
00:57:41.390 --> 00:57:41.700
OK,
2340
00:57:41.790 --> 00:57:42.060
I know,
2341
00:57:42.110 --> 00:57:43.140
I agree 100%.
2342
00:57:43.590 --> 00:57:45.290
Last thing I want to talk to you about,
2343
00:57:45.550 --> 00:57:48.060
the Republican Party is protecting child traffickers.
2344
00:57:48.190 --> 00:57:48.820
Starts petition.
2345
00:57:48.910 --> 00:57:49.540
They voted for the act.
2346
00:57:49.630 --> 00:57:50.140
What's the number?
2347
00:57:50.350 --> 00:57:51.220
I don't know the exact roll.
2348
00:57:51.270 --> 00:57:54.260
216 House Republicans voted to release the Epstein files,
2349
00:57:54.390 --> 00:57:54.580
correct?
2350
00:57:55.030 --> 00:57:55.300
OK,
2351
00:57:55.550 --> 00:57:59.220
so to make an absurd claim that all Republicans are protecting child predators,
2352
00:57:59.270 --> 00:58:00.000
I think you're
2353
00:58:00.510 --> 00:58:01.660
an absurd human being
2354
00:58:01.850 --> 00:58:02.040
to,
2355
00:58:02.070 --> 00:58:03.070
to make a
2356
00:58:03.190 --> 00:58:04.330
a generalization like that.
2357
00:58:04.710 --> 00:58:04.900
Um,
2358
00:58:05.070 --> 00:58:07.030
so we have people like Rhonda Santos down in,
2359
00:58:07.080 --> 00:58:07.180
uh,
2360
00:58:07.270 --> 00:58:07.300
uh,
2361
00:58:07.470 --> 00:58:07.980
Florida
2362
00:58:08.190 --> 00:58:10.700
who want to lower the unanimous vote to put child.
2363
00:58:11.540 --> 00:58:11.690
Uh,
2364
00:58:11.900 --> 00:58:12.540
executed,
2365
00:58:12.780 --> 00:58:12.930
uh,
2366
00:58:13.300 --> 00:58:13.450
right,
2367
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:15.440
we have Nancy May advocating for child
2368
00:58:15.600 --> 00:58:16.370
to be executed.
2369
00:58:16.620 --> 00:58:17.510
So this claim and idea,
2370
00:58:18.340 --> 00:58:18.850
so this claim,
2371
00:58:19.060 --> 00:58:21.410
this claim and idea that House Republicans or Republicans
2372
00:58:21.410 --> 00:58:24.490
in general are protecting child predators is absolutely asinine.
2373
00:58:24.580 --> 00:58:24.890
OK.
2374
00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:26.850
Is Rhonda Santos calling for the release of
2375
00:58:26.850 --> 00:58:28.820
the 3 million Epstein files in DOJ custody?
2376
00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:29.480
I'm not sure what
2377
00:58:29.620 --> 00:58:30.530
Rhonda Santos is.
2378
00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:34.730
Are the House Republicans right now enraged that the president that they support
2379
00:58:34.860 --> 00:58:36.730
has still not released 3 million files?
2380
00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:37.090
What,
2381
00:58:37.180 --> 00:58:37.290
what,
2382
00:58:37.380 --> 00:58:40.210
what files have not yet to be released 3 million in DOJ custody.
2383
00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:40.970
We don't know because they haven't released.
2384
00:58:41.370 --> 00:58:43.520
The American people are asking for transparency,
2385
00:58:43.610 --> 00:58:46.240
and it is the job of these public servants to do the job.
2386
00:58:46.330 --> 00:58:47.790
That was you and Isaiah.
2387
00:58:48.330 --> 00:58:48.880
He was great.
2388
00:58:49.010 --> 00:58:49.360
He was great.
2389
00:58:49.450 --> 00:58:51.590
I think out of everybody he was definitely the most reasonable person.
2390
00:58:51.730 --> 00:58:53.120
I thought Isaiah was coming
2391
00:58:53.250 --> 00:58:53.960
at you with some,
2392
00:58:54.030 --> 00:58:54.510
some
2393
00:58:54.650 --> 00:58:55.470
good arguments.
2394
00:58:55.730 --> 00:58:56.100
Why,
2395
00:58:56.130 --> 00:58:59.760
why did it feel like you needed this to be one of your core claims?
2396
00:58:59.930 --> 00:59:00.350
They
2397
00:59:00.790 --> 00:59:01.560
campaigned on this.
2398
00:59:01.690 --> 00:59:05.600
Every single pundit imaginable wanted to make it this huge scheme.
2399
00:59:05.770 --> 00:59:07.310
Top bottom elites
2400
00:59:07.970 --> 00:59:08.050
are,
2401
00:59:08.140 --> 00:59:10.680
are doing the most heinous acts against children.
2402
00:59:11.100 --> 00:59:12.500
And then once they take power,
2403
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:15.250
they delay it for a year and then the legislature tries
2404
00:59:15.250 --> 00:59:17.650
to force their hand and they're still not following federal law.
2405
00:59:17.700 --> 00:59:18.120
I think
2406
00:59:18.260 --> 00:59:19.730
if you're a Republican in office
2407
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:20.880
and you are not
2408
00:59:21.460 --> 00:59:22.850
speaking about this ad nauseam.
2409
00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:25.100
Then there's something definitely wrong.
2410
00:59:25.540 --> 00:59:26.470
And that's what I say
2411
00:59:26.580 --> 00:59:27.320
they're protecting.
2412
00:59:27.370 --> 00:59:28.320
They're protecting the image.
2413
00:59:28.410 --> 00:59:30.590
They're protecting the reputation of Jeffrey Epstein,
2414
00:59:30.650 --> 00:59:33.390
and the fact that it's really only Thomas Massey
2415
00:59:33.550 --> 00:59:37.030
who's looking to actively vote in favor or even create new legislation
2416
00:59:37.190 --> 00:59:38.400
to force the administration's hands,
2417
00:59:38.450 --> 00:59:39.550
I think speaks to
2418
00:59:40.010 --> 00:59:42.250
the level of loyalty and respect,
2419
00:59:43.050 --> 00:59:45.350
misplaced respect the Republican Party has for
2420
00:59:45.590 --> 00:59:46.160
Dear Leader,
2421
00:59:46.290 --> 00:59:48.280
and I just felt like I needed to talk about it.
2422
00:59:48.450 --> 00:59:48.960
Mhm.
2423
00:59:49.370 --> 00:59:49.750
Yeah.
2424
00:59:51.020 --> 00:59:51.640
I
2425
00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:55.650
wonder if we are experiencing a mass hysteria moment
2426
00:59:56.140 --> 00:59:58.130
around child predators,
2427
00:59:58.220 --> 00:59:58.570
um,
2428
00:59:58.740 --> 01:00:00.390
and I wonder if it's,
2429
01:00:00.500 --> 01:00:02.470
if it's a little bit of like toxic
2430
01:00:02.580 --> 01:00:03.530
waste to,
2431
01:00:03.580 --> 01:00:04.570
to interact with.
2432
01:00:04.660 --> 01:00:05.050
So,
2433
01:00:05.420 --> 01:00:05.640
you know,
2434
01:00:05.660 --> 01:00:06.200
we did the,
2435
01:00:06.220 --> 01:00:06.760
uh,
2436
01:00:07.060 --> 01:00:07.780
Rona
2437
01:00:08.060 --> 01:00:08.360
episode.
2438
01:00:08.940 --> 01:00:09.760
And I,
2439
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:10.110
you know,
2440
01:00:10.200 --> 01:00:10.330
I,
2441
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.210
I talked to some people there and did,
2442
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:13.660
did a little bit of digging and there was
2443
01:00:13.680 --> 01:00:17.300
actually a lot more skepticism towards what the Epstein
2444
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.940
story was about in that cast than I expected and
2445
01:00:21.160 --> 01:00:23.120
it was a campaign promise
2446
01:00:23.600 --> 01:00:24.080
and.
2447
01:00:24.910 --> 01:00:26.090
Then as soon as Trump
2448
01:00:26.220 --> 01:00:26.630
won,
2449
01:00:26.990 --> 01:00:27.250
you know,
2450
01:00:27.470 --> 01:00:28.320
with Pam Bondi,
2451
01:00:28.470 --> 01:00:28.520
uh,
2452
01:00:28.670 --> 01:00:30.470
it seemed like they were slow walking it.
2453
01:00:30.670 --> 01:00:32.090
I wonder if it's just dangerous
2454
01:00:32.270 --> 01:00:33.390
to say like
2455
01:00:33.670 --> 01:00:37.690
there's pedophiles like the Republican Party is protecting pedophiles and,
2456
01:00:37.750 --> 01:00:38.190
and
2457
01:00:38.590 --> 01:00:39.150
like the,
2458
01:00:39.210 --> 01:00:41.450
the evidence doesn't necessarily point to that.
2459
01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:41.660
It,
2460
01:00:41.710 --> 01:00:41.870
it,
2461
01:00:41.950 --> 01:00:43.490
it does point to
2462
01:00:44.100 --> 01:00:47.540
a problematic relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.
2463
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:48.840
But
2464
01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:49.520
I don't,
2465
01:00:49.770 --> 01:00:51.160
as far as my understanding goes,
2466
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.500
I don't think there's a treasure trove of evidence
2467
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:55.300
that
2468
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.400
corroborates claims of
2469
01:00:58.150 --> 01:00:59.760
and that are just being sat on.
2470
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.730
And I do wonder if that becomes the story like
2471
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:04.440
Pizza Gate was
2472
01:01:05.100 --> 01:01:05.560
Like
2473
01:01:05.780 --> 01:01:08.380
there's some psychosis that this subject matter
2474
01:01:08.580 --> 01:01:09.330
leads to,
2475
01:01:09.500 --> 01:01:11.120
so it seems dangerous to me.
2476
01:01:11.300 --> 01:01:13.170
I don't necessarily disagree,
2477
01:01:13.220 --> 01:01:14.890
and that's why when I was making an argument,
2478
01:01:14.940 --> 01:01:15.100
I mean,
2479
01:01:15.140 --> 01:01:15.850
you saw it in the clip,
2480
01:01:15.900 --> 01:01:19.130
it was primarily appealing to the desires of the American people.
2481
01:01:19.370 --> 01:01:22.290
Now I don't want to play to some irrational fervor,
2482
01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:22.530
uh,
2483
01:01:22.660 --> 01:01:26.520
and like this mass hysteria moment where people are really under the impression
2484
01:01:26.740 --> 01:01:27.970
that every American elite,
2485
01:01:28.060 --> 01:01:30.170
every person in Congress was secretly in cahoots with
2486
01:01:30.170 --> 01:01:32.850
Jeffrey Epstein and an accomplice or even engaged in.
2487
01:01:33.270 --> 01:01:34.490
The disgusting acts
2488
01:01:34.620 --> 01:01:35.640
that he was held
2489
01:01:35.850 --> 01:01:36.760
accountable for
2490
01:01:37.010 --> 01:01:38.930
by a rope in his jail cell,
2491
01:01:39.060 --> 01:01:39.420
sorry.
2492
01:01:39.740 --> 01:01:40.160
So,
2493
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:42.410
specifically with Trump,
2494
01:01:42.500 --> 01:01:43.800
I'm not claiming
2495
01:01:44.220 --> 01:01:47.960
that there is irrefutable evidence of him partaking in similar activities.
2496
01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:49.720
What I do know though
2497
01:01:50.060 --> 01:01:53.490
is that it's incredibly suspicious that this man ordered our three-letter
2498
01:01:53.490 --> 01:01:55.650
agencies to scrub through the files and remove his name.
2499
01:01:56.210 --> 01:01:57.000
And on top of that,
2500
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.310
constantly slow walk and delay and try to obfuscate away from it
2501
01:02:01.450 --> 01:02:03.200
for the purpose of not releasing everything.
2502
01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:05.590
And especially what they did with Jillaine Maxwell,
2503
01:02:05.730 --> 01:02:08.440
moving her to a uh lower security prison where she
2504
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.470
could be given a puppy and has gourmet food and
2505
01:02:10.610 --> 01:02:11.760
better living conditions.
2506
01:02:12.050 --> 01:02:14.320
I think that treatment is definitely concerning,
2507
01:02:14.570 --> 01:02:14.760
um,
2508
01:02:14.850 --> 01:02:17.710
as well as the pardoning of some January Sixers who ended up engaging in
2509
01:02:17.830 --> 01:02:19.360
very disgusting acts with children.
2510
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:21.470
But I don't want to
2511
01:02:21.690 --> 01:02:24.140
have it taken as every single Republican is a part of this.
2512
01:02:24.250 --> 01:02:24.650
Rather,
2513
01:02:25.020 --> 01:02:26.090
Republicans are indifferent,
2514
01:02:26.220 --> 01:02:27.760
and that is something that should
2515
01:02:28.100 --> 01:02:29.170
make you feel uneasy.
2516
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:29.370
Now,
2517
01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:31.400
does that mean that every single Republican is support of this?
2518
01:02:31.420 --> 01:02:31.940
Of course not,
2519
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:34.290
but what they're doing is a political calculation in their head,
2520
01:02:34.340 --> 01:02:36.900
and they know that they prefer Donald Trump in power
2521
01:02:37.120 --> 01:02:39.450
than Democrats taking power of both houses of Congress
2522
01:02:39.620 --> 01:02:41.170
and inevitably winning the presidency.
2523
01:02:41.540 --> 01:02:42.680
And that level of
2524
01:02:43.120 --> 01:02:45.710
I guess actions for the purpose of political expedience
2525
01:02:45.710 --> 01:02:47.460
is definitely something that you should be concerned with.
2526
01:02:47.620 --> 01:02:48.740
You make a very good point,
2527
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:49.900
and it is very concerning,
2528
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:51.460
and I don't want to just play to this
2529
01:02:51.600 --> 01:02:52.980
mass hysteria moment because
2530
01:02:53.240 --> 01:02:53.740
it can
2531
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:55.630
obviously devolve into something very bad.
2532
01:02:55.850 --> 01:02:58.120
So I think that's a very much a reasonable criticism.
2533
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:58.510
Yeah,
2534
01:02:58.640 --> 01:02:58.750
well,
2535
01:02:58.800 --> 01:02:59.230
I just,
2536
01:02:59.430 --> 01:02:59.550
you know,
2537
01:02:59.640 --> 01:02:59.700
I,
2538
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.530
I used to watch a lot of the Daily Wire,
2539
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:04.780
and I feel like Ben Shapiro's gone through a moment where he's like,
2540
01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:05.510
man,
2541
01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:06.660
some of the
2542
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.990
political stories and movements that my company,
2543
01:03:10.160 --> 01:03:10.350
you know,
2544
01:03:10.490 --> 01:03:10.950
helped.
2545
01:03:11.410 --> 01:03:14.350
Fan the flames of have come back to haunt me
2546
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:15.020
and
2547
01:03:15.290 --> 01:03:16.800
and Epstein is
2548
01:03:17.160 --> 01:03:18.060
it's a great
2549
01:03:18.250 --> 01:03:19.150
catchy
2550
01:03:19.490 --> 01:03:20.080
story
2551
01:03:20.210 --> 01:03:21.850
and it's horrifying in a lot of ways.
2552
01:03:21.970 --> 01:03:23.830
If all those files were released,
2553
01:03:24.260 --> 01:03:24.550
you know,
2554
01:03:24.570 --> 01:03:25.810
like what would come of it?
2555
01:03:25.890 --> 01:03:26.510
Would it just
2556
01:03:26.680 --> 01:03:30.350
be a lot of victims' names and people who
2557
01:03:30.730 --> 01:03:31.790
there are no criminal
2558
01:03:32.010 --> 01:03:32.990
charges against
2559
01:03:33.130 --> 01:03:34.010
their lives just sort of.
2560
01:03:34.190 --> 01:03:35.340
Being thrown into chaos,
2561
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:35.450
like,
2562
01:03:35.560 --> 01:03:37.050
don't you think there's probably a good reason
2563
01:03:37.190 --> 01:03:38.690
that a lot of those files are,
2564
01:03:38.990 --> 01:03:39.700
are still,
2565
01:03:39.720 --> 01:03:40.060
uh,
2566
01:03:40.430 --> 01:03:41.050
classified?
2567
01:03:41.190 --> 01:03:41.850
I think,
2568
01:03:42.070 --> 01:03:42.180
uh,
2569
01:03:42.270 --> 01:03:46.430
it's clearly laid out in the criteria for classification or redaction
2570
01:03:46.710 --> 01:03:48.500
that there are some things that you're allowed to redact,
2571
01:03:48.550 --> 01:03:49.780
and you have to explain it to Congress.
2572
01:03:49.870 --> 01:03:51.190
The administration hasn't done that.
2573
01:03:51.470 --> 01:03:54.820
I think America is unique in its lack of prosecution of these people.
2574
01:03:54.870 --> 01:03:56.490
We've seen it in numerous countries,
2575
01:03:56.940 --> 01:03:56.950
uh,
2576
01:03:57.110 --> 01:03:59.180
where people are being held accountable for their appearance.
2577
01:03:59.230 --> 01:04:01.110
They are directly being indicted for their appearance.
2578
01:04:01.130 --> 01:04:02.460
I know it happened in the UK.
2579
01:04:02.850 --> 01:04:03.160
Um,
2580
01:04:03.330 --> 01:04:04.720
there was another country as well.
2581
01:04:04.890 --> 01:04:05.360
And like I said,
2582
01:04:05.450 --> 01:04:06.320
I'm not claiming that this,
2583
01:04:06.450 --> 01:04:07.600
it's gonna be a bombshell,
2584
01:04:07.650 --> 01:04:08.470
holy crap,
2585
01:04:08.530 --> 01:04:10.670
every single political elite engaged in these acts,
2586
01:04:10.870 --> 01:04:12.910
but the American people want transparency,
2587
01:04:13.130 --> 01:04:17.990
and I think no transparency is only going to aid and build up these movements and say,
2588
01:04:18.010 --> 01:04:19.530
why isn't that they're doing this?
2589
01:04:19.550 --> 01:04:20.550
I don't want people to believe
2590
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:22.260
that Jeffrey Epstein had a
2591
01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:23.890
His finger in every single pie and had
2592
01:04:23.890 --> 01:04:25.850
all the contact information of every single rep,
2593
01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:26.360
but
2594
01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:30.690
he did know a lot of important people and there are 302s against Donald Trump himself
2595
01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:33.210
which the administration has definitely been stonewalling the release of,
2596
01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:33.920
which are
2597
01:04:34.060 --> 01:04:36.480
reoccurring interviews with an alleged victim of the president.
2598
01:04:36.740 --> 01:04:40.250
Now what you want is release all the information and if there's anything
2599
01:04:40.380 --> 01:04:41.850
found to be not credible,
2600
01:04:42.020 --> 01:04:42.050
yeah,
2601
01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:42.660
not credible,
2602
01:04:43.010 --> 01:04:43.020
yeah,
2603
01:04:43.100 --> 01:04:43.210
yeah,
2604
01:04:43.340 --> 01:04:43.680
yeah,
2605
01:04:44.140 --> 01:04:45.340
not enough evidence for prosecution.
2606
01:04:45.390 --> 01:04:46.680
But at the end of the day
2607
01:04:46.980 --> 01:04:49.370
what's important here is if there is anything.
2608
01:04:50.450 --> 01:04:51.810
The whole point is launch
2609
01:04:51.990 --> 01:04:52.500
investigations,
2610
01:04:52.620 --> 01:04:52.740
right?
2611
01:04:52.830 --> 01:04:53.700
Get to the bottom of this,
2612
01:04:53.790 --> 01:04:54.730
really find out
2613
01:04:54.950 --> 01:04:55.100
if,
2614
01:04:55.190 --> 01:04:56.180
if anybody else played a role,
2615
01:04:56.230 --> 01:04:57.250
if there was only really just
2616
01:04:57.420 --> 01:04:59.270
Epstein and one co-conspirator,
2617
01:04:59.670 --> 01:05:00.020
um,
2618
01:05:00.230 --> 01:05:03.170
for just for the sake of easing tensions and I guess
2619
01:05:03.230 --> 01:05:07.860
finally closing the door on the question of crazys in office,
2620
01:05:08.110 --> 01:05:08.540
you know.
2621
01:05:09.340 --> 01:05:09.570
Yeah,
2622
01:05:09.740 --> 01:05:09.990
no,
2623
01:05:10.180 --> 01:05:10.480
I mean,
2624
01:05:10.540 --> 01:05:10.770
there's,
2625
01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:11.370
there's a,
2626
01:05:11.580 --> 01:05:11.690
the,
2627
01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:12.840
the satanic
2628
01:05:13.020 --> 01:05:14.240
panic of the nineties,
2629
01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:15.250
what was that?
2630
01:05:15.310 --> 01:05:15.480
And,
2631
01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:16.610
and there's a little bit of,
2632
01:05:16.660 --> 01:05:17.760
of that going on now.
2633
01:05:18.270 --> 01:05:18.650
Well,
2634
01:05:18.910 --> 01:05:19.410
David,
2635
01:05:19.790 --> 01:05:20.420
thank you for,
2636
01:05:20.550 --> 01:05:21.280
for doing this.
2637
01:05:21.390 --> 01:05:21.700
Um,
2638
01:05:22.670 --> 01:05:23.580
thanks for doing surrounded.
2639
01:05:23.790 --> 01:05:25.700
It's no small feat to be in the center.
2640
01:05:25.950 --> 01:05:26.580
And yeah,
2641
01:05:26.630 --> 01:05:27.300
I wanted to say,
2642
01:05:27.430 --> 01:05:27.580
you know,
2643
01:05:27.710 --> 01:05:30.350
congrats to the work you and Austin are doing with the split.
2644
01:05:30.590 --> 01:05:33.240
I look forward to seeing you in that more,
2645
01:05:33.550 --> 01:05:33.930
and,
2646
01:05:33.950 --> 01:05:34.610
um,
2647
01:05:34.750 --> 01:05:35.420
it's been fun to,
2648
01:05:35.550 --> 01:05:35.780
to,
2649
01:05:35.950 --> 01:05:36.690
to dig in with you.
2650
01:05:36.710 --> 01:05:39.020
You're my first interview post paternity leave,
2651
01:05:39.120 --> 01:05:40.560
so thanks for going easy on me.
2652
01:05:40.830 --> 01:05:41.300
That's awesome.
2653
01:05:41.390 --> 01:05:41.500
No,
2654
01:05:41.590 --> 01:05:42.670
of course it was a great time.
2655
01:05:42.750 --> 01:05:43.260
You're awesome,
2656
01:05:43.310 --> 01:05:43.580
dude.
2657
01:05:43.670 --> 01:05:44.200
Seriously,
2658
01:05:44.470 --> 01:05:45.260
I appreciate it.
2659
01:05:45.470 --> 01:05:45.620
All right,
2660
01:05:45.710 --> 01:05:46.020
take care,
2661
01:05:46.110 --> 01:05:46.380
man.
2662
01:05:46.790 --> 01:05:46.980
See you soon.
2663
01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:47.450
Likewise,
2664
01:05:47.630 --> 01:05:48.430
have an incredible day.
2665
01:05:48.550 --> 01:05:50.940
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01:05:51.030 --> 01:05:51.800
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01:05:51.990 --> 01:05:53.380
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01:05:53.630 --> 01:05:55.810
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2669
01:05:56.070 --> 01:05:56.140
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2670
01:05:56.230 --> 01:05:57.820
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01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:59.250
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01:05:59.390 --> 01:06:01.930
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01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:06.770
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2676
01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:07.630
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2677
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:08.660
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2678
01:06:08.990 --> 01:06:09.660
so could I.
2679
01:06:09.830 --> 01:06:10.830
Keep your mind open
2680
01:06:11.200 --> 01:06:11.910
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