NCAA 5 Year Elegibility Issues, The Cleveland Browns Problem (Many?), and Football's Decline in Youth Sports

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
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And I have in the building Ms. Odie and Mr. Lewis. Hello, hello.
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This is one of those kind of days where I
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feel like there is like so much... information, so many
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different types of things that you could talk about. And
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I think today we're going to probably jump around to
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a lot of different topics.
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We had to really narrow it down. I mean, we
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had so many things to choose from. This time of year,
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it's busy.
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It really is. But I'm going to even make the
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case that we may be in a unique time. place
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with a lot of these things and not not giving
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it out as as of yet but i think some
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of these things are uniquely different and maybe even a
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start to something new.
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Well let's start with a clip to open up all
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right who we want to.
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Talk about first okay okay.
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Man i didn't have no reaction i think the biggest
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thing is um I think you guys know, too. And
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I think the whole world knows. It has nothing to
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do about the performance. It's a little bit personal than that.
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So I think that's a disrespectful thing. So, yeah, I mean,
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I'm going to keep whatever I feel with me and
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my family internally on how I feel about that. And, yeah,
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just move on. Last time I played on this field,
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I took my Achilles. And that same fan base, they
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cheered when I got hurt.
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So....
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Does that have to do with anything about performance? When
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a person gets hurt, especially for your own city, and
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they cheer.
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Do you want me to reference what the clip is about?
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Yes, go ahead.
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Of course, that was Deshaun Watson with the Cleveland Browns,
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and that was actually his post-game interview after a preseason
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game between the Bills and the Browns. So go ahead, guys.
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And he essentially apologized for it. Okay, so to that,
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because I didn't know that, Hollis, but I'm going to
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ask you this question. Do you think he needed to apologize? Yeah.
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I mean, the thing is, like, he's human, so, like,
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he can have those feelings, and it's not a good
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feeling if your quote-unquote home team fans are booing you.
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But I think to put it in context— We're not
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just talking about the play. It's a whole bunch of
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other stuff that's going on with Deshaun Watson. You know,
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the allegations, his performance, and also the contract that has really,
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you know, picked the Browns in a hole. I mean,
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he's due still like $ 86 million. So it's a bunch
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of stuff that's circling around it.
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Okay. I I'm going to kind of go– and I
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get every piece of that that you're saying.
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And he was recently named a starting quarterback.
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Yes. And I know Lisa's going to probably have a
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ton of facts that will counter what I'm about to say.
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But my thing is, okay, when you hear the name
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Deshaun Watson, okay, you know who that is and– And
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there's somewhat of an expectation of him being a starting
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quarterback wherever, right? And I think in this situation, I
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think this is probably the worst situation that he could
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possibly be in with Shador and Deion all in this mix.
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And I don't believe that he's going to ever buy
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into the idea that Shador is a better quarterback than him.
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And he's going to look at Dion as being the
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motivating factor of why Shador is there. And I think
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you as the Browns create that.
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I mean, maybe I understand parts of your points. I think,
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I think, I think the problem that the Browns fans
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have right now with Deshaun Watson, first of all, he
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was just named the week one starter by their head coach.
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And so, you know, uh, I don't know if the
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hometown fans were ready for that, knowing his history with
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the allegations that Hollis referred to. You know, also, let's look,
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you know, part of the booze our performance.
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I'm sorry.
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If you look at the record he had when he
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did play, which is he's only started 19 games total.
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With the Browns?
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With the Browns.
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Yeah.
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And in those 19 games, his record is 9-10.
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But let's ask the question, is that him solely or
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is that the team?
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I mean, that's a combination, but still, that much money.
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I think that's the point.
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That's the point.
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That's the point. It's the money. If I come in
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and ask you for $ 20 and you give me $ 20
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and our team is making me seem like I'm only
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really worth $ 5 because of the way it looks.
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But I think when you talk about that, of course,
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you know, the Browns aren't historically– been a great organization
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at least post you know Jim Brown right but I
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think that when you talk about the amount of money
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and I'm talking historic amount we're talking about like you
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know he set a new ceiling right and when you
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talk about that In addition to the allegations, in addition
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to the performance, I think all that sort of makes
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a difference because you're you're you're not helping us.
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OK, but no, you're not helping us. But when I
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walk in and I ask for that.
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But but again, again, when you you ask for it,
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you got it. But at that point, you have to
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live up to it. And I think to Lisa's point.
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He ain't lived up to it.
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No, no. I mean, I know that he had the 11-game,
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I think it was 11-game suspension right out of the
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gate because of the allegations until he got that. And
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he finally got that stuff settled. And then he got hurt.
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So he had some pretty severe major injuries that prevented
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him from being on the field. So let's think about this.
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This contract started in 2022. They're paying him that amount
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of money. It's a guaranteed contract no matter what happens.
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Crazy.
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And he started 19 games, guys.
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Yeah.
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Think about how many games are in a season.
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Cut him.
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No, no, no.
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They can't.
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You can't cut him.
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They can't.
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You have to start him. Okay, well, then whose fault
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is that? It's the Browns' fault. It's the Browns' fault.
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The Browns are Browning.
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So there is no reason.
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There's just no other way.
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But there is no reason to me. There is no reason.
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Deshaun Watson is not even part of this conversation, really.
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Because the Browns did what they thought they could do,
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and so they locked him in with all this money.
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He's got to play, all of these kinds of things.
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That is not Deshaun Watson's issue. That is a Browns issue.
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That is a general manager issue.
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But when you come out and you're the face of
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the team and you have those sort of comments— They
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can move me all day. You're tone deaf. As a quarterback,
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we expect a higher level of self-awareness. And you can't
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add fuel to the fire.
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No.
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And we know from an organizational standpoint, the Browns, they
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shot themselves in the foot. They have to start, regardless
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of what anybody else thinks, they have to start Deshaun Watson.
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Because they even got to do one or two things.
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They got to start him, hopefully he plays well, and
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they can move him and trade him. So hopefully the
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team's like, get enamored, and they can trade him. Or
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he could play so bad where they can justify waiving
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him or cutting him or whatever, even in spite of
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the money.
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Right?
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So they're in a no-win situation. And then to your point,
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then you got Shador Sanders and he's so charismatic and
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he's popular and everybody knows him. Then you have that way.
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So they pit themselves in this just... wretched situation that's
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not going to be good for nobody. And it just
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shows how in-depth they are.
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As a franchise. Yeah. And that's why I can't... You know,
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when I look at this whole situation... At the end
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of the day, this is the Browns.
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Exactly.
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This is the Browns. That's what I said. And whoever
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the person was or is in this situation, it's the Browns.
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Well, let me ask you guys both something because I
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know I'm not familiar with this part of his story,
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but he came from the Houston Texans, correct?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And he had a pretty good season there, right?
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He was pretty dependable.
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Yeah, he had a good season.
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Start to his career.
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Yes.
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Okay. But then the allegations happened. Is that when they
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kind of said, we don't want you anymore?
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I don't know if it got heard or if the
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allegations came first. I'm not sure. It could have been. Again,
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I don't remember either, but it's probably both.
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The civil lawsuits actually happened in Texas. So he was
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actually a member of the Houston Texans.
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Yeah.
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And then they were like, we don't want our hands dirty.
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Let's go.
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Let's trade you to Cleveland. And Cleveland thought they had
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this big trade, I guess. Did they trade him or
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just outright sign him?
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I think it was a trade. If anybody's listening and
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knows more about that, let us know. But to me,
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this is a situation to where you lose as an
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organization because you gambled. on a player. You gave him
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the money, because you think he deserved it, and in
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the moment, notably, he was that guy. He's coming from
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another team, been good, great. We're going to pay him.
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And all of a sudden he gets here.
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That's much money?
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Yes.
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Here's the thing.
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I mean, that blows my mind.
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Here's the thing. You go to the Browns. And the
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Browns have not historically, for however long, the Browns have
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not been good.
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Quarterbacks go there to die.
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They do. They do. But if I'm going to die
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and I got $ 300 million... So be it.
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So be it.
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And now what the Browns are trying to say is, no,
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we don't want to bury you with that. We just
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want some of that money back, or you got to go.
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I think they're just trying to ride the contract out,
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and they're like, isn't this the last year of it?
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Or one more? I want to say year two, something
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like that. I think it's two years.
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Yeah, you're right. So one more year after this year,
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because it was 2022.
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And like I said, they don't have a choice. So
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they got to start it. And here's the thing. He's
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going to get these two years. or he's going to
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get these two years with the money, and they're just
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out of the money.
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Yeah, they're out.
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And I think he is too.
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Like I said, unless he comes out here and he
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really like, which this is just my prediction, I believe
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unless there's some sort of collusion, I think he's going
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to go out there and absolutely ball. I think his
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back is against the wall. I think he's going to
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go out there because he has zero to lose. He
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knows this is it. I don't believe he'll probably get
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picked up by another organization if he doesn't.
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I think the opposite of that. I think he's just
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going to ride this horse out. I think the opposite.
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I think he's just going to ride this out and
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take his check and, you know, take his ball and
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go home.
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This is it, though. I'm telling you, when your back
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is against the wall, watch. I think I'm partnering with Lisa,
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but I think what he's going to try to do
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And I don't think he's going to be able to
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accomplish it because it is Cleveland. I think he would
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like to go out. He keeps saying that.
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We apologize to the Browns fans in our audience for
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Carl's behavior.
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I don't. I don't apologize. I grew up a Browns fan.
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They're the worst. And they just have not. They have not.
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Bend the Browns for I can't tell you how long.
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Carl got drafted 43 years ago, and they've been bad.
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Ever.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. They moved the team and everything. Exactly.
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I just think that where he's going to end up,
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the way I think this is going to play out,
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is if they cut him, They'll have to cut him
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somewhere during the season or before the beginning of the
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next season and take the money and lose the money.
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And then we'll have to.
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Do that next year than this year because they can't
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afford to get someone in his place this year with
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that much money on the line.
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Which one of you all would be mad if Shador
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ends up taking the job and you're sitting on the
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sideline making that kind of money?
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But I think for him– At that part in time
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of your career. But I think for him, like I said,
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this is his last shot. So I don't think he's
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thinking that way. Of course you got the money and.
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He'll be fine, but this is it. And to that,
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I don't know if he's thinking like, oh, I still
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can go higher up. I realized that, okay– I'm not
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going to be any better than what I was. And
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the only thing I can do from here is go down.
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So for me, it was when is it time for
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me to get out of here? When is it time
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for me to walk out? But I don't think this
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is in a retirement situation. I'm talking about. Oh, I
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don't think he'll go anywhere else. His thing is it
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doesn't matter. I don't think so either.
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He's still young.
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So he has to play extraordinary. for him to get
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another shot in the league.
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Yeah, that's true.
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You see what I'm saying?
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So it's just like for him to be a backup somewhere,
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he still has to go ball crazy. And I think
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in his mind as a competitor, he ain't got nothing
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else to lose. So it's like go out there and
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just let it all hang out. So I think he's
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going to perform.
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I agree. I agree with the performance piece.
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You think he can behave? I mean, after all that
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trouble that he was in, I mean, that was a
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lot of allegations. Like he had almost– 24 civil lawsuits
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filed against him alleging sexual assault. So where there's smoke,
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there's fire.
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Yeah, there's a problem there. There's a problem there.
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That's a mental illness.
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There is a.
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So can he behave?
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I mean, again, that's yet to be determined. That's a
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legitimate question, right? That's a legitimate question, and I don't
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know the answer to that. I don't know the answer either. Well,
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no one does.
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I say on the field, though, watch. Watch what I
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tell you. He going ball.
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But let's just ask this question. How many allegations do
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you have to have before management steps in and makes
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a decision? Because I'm sure, I want to say I'm sure,
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that if you have something like that as a justification
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to cut you or remove you from the team, I
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don't know if that's a case at this point, but
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there has to be something in there that's saying your conduct...
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could cost you.
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To be out.
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They knew that up front, though, when they took him,
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that he had all those issues.
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But why then are you– whose fault then is this?
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It's the Cleveland Browns.
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Yeah, it's the Browns' fault.
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But I say this. I mean, again, we've seen players
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get cut for less. So, again, allegations are the allegations.
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But I'm not sure they're to the level of– again,
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outside of me reading the actual information– If it was
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to a higher level, then I think he would have
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already been gone and dismissed, and they would have found
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a way out of that contract. So I don't believe
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the allegations are to a point where we can say,
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cut him and cut bait. So I think there's smoke,
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there's fire, but also there may not be as much
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fire as we think.
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And what I'll say to that.
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They had an independent arbitrator look at that. That's the
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reason he got the suspension. That's the reason he had
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the 11-game suspension because— They felt like that under league policy,
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you know, his actions constituted sexual assault.
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But I think also there's conduct detrimental to the team,
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and they can use that to justify cutting your contract.
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So I think if it was to that level, they
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would have got rid of him from that level.
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You would think, or do they just not have, do
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they not see Shador?
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Shador's waiting.
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They don't want Shador. I don't think so either. They
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don't want him there. Now, again, I think he could
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end up becoming a good quarterback, but I don't know
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if that's going to be, quote, in a rookie season.
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I mean, Hollis, you know. At each level that you
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go up, that first year is not that easy.
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But I think to your point earlier, it's the Browns franchise,
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so it's not a franchise conducive to producing quarterbacks. So
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it's just one of them situations where this is just
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a lose-lose for everybody. And I think once you get
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a new direction at the front office, that's going to
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be the only thing that changes this ship. And I
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think we're going to find ourselves in a year or
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two years where All these quarterbacks are different places or
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not playing, and then they're going to have to start over.
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But I think the first place the Browns have to
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start over is in the front office. Until you get
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that squared away, it doesn't matter.
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And to that, Hollis, just to close out on this
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subject is, as a former Browns fan, The Browns have been.
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Former? Did you give up?
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Well, I went to the Vikings. Forget the Browns. They
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paid the check. That was your childhood. That was your
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childhood team. You could like two teams. No, no. It's
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Minnesota Vikings, baby. I grew up... They cut a check.
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Forget that. I just think, though, that, you know, that
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Browns history, recent history, has been really, really... Just ugly.
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And you know, whether it's coaches, whether it's players, whether
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it's administration, and when I say administration, the people who
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are drafting, all these kinds of things. And then when
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you go and get your door, you did that to me,
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in my mind, for popularity and notoriety. Everybody's going to
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be looking at us. Okay, well, he's not going to start,
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which I understand that. I understand you don't necessarily want
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to get him out there early, give him some two
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or three games and then get him in there. But
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is he going to change the whole team? Are you
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putting the responsibility on him to change the whole direction
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of the team? I don't think he's– I don't care
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how great Deion was. I don't think that young man
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can go into the Browns and turn them around. I
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just don't see that happening. He's going to get knocked around.
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He's going to get beat up.
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Well, it's not going to happen this year because he's
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not starting. So, I mean, unless.
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Deshaun gets hurt. I think he's going to end up
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possibly by week three.
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You think?
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By week three.
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Yeah.
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I think by week three, I think at some point,
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and usually it's right around three and four games, the
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opening games.
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Mm-hmm.
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They give him a chance to get used to the
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regular practices and all that kind of stuff, and they
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pop him in. And I think they're in a position
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where they have to. They have to let both of
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the quarterbacks play. Fan base ain't going to happen.
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Well, I don't think it's a fan base thing. I
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think they just have to let them both play in
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order to establish value. So we got to figure out
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if he can play, and then we can move him.
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See what happens.
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See what happens, yeah. Well, so.
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Let's talk about what's happening in NFL with their players
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going back to.
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The transfer down.
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Yes, the transfer down. That's a good way to put it.
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All right, so there's a situation that we have now. Several.
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Several of players who get drafted into the league, practice
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or so, so many weeks, days, whatever, and then decide
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that they're going to go back and play college ball.
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And this is based off of the class of 2022.
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Yes.
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Where they only got four years and they retroacted the NCAA,
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changed the rule to now you have five years. So
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now they're suing in order to get that one year
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of extra eligibility.
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They weren't redshirted. So that's the reason why they get
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that extra year. But it's interesting because what's going on,
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and this is the most interesting part, is how the
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power conferences are handling this, this whole situation. You've got
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So many different reactions, you know, between the different conferences.
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You've got, of course, you know, I think it was
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the Big Ten. They're the ones that unanimously approved a
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rule banning any player who has appeared on an NFL roster,
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signed a pro contract, or entered the NFL draft without withdrawing.
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So they're pretty much saying this is not happening in
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our conference, period, okay?
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Right. I'm with that.
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We're with that. Then you've got the Big 12 and
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the ACC saying, oh, we're going to sit back and
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evaluate these bands. You know, we're going to consider it. But,
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you know, we may do some similar things, but, you know,
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we're not sure. So the SEC comes out and says, oh, well,
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we're going to vocally oppose it, but we're not going
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to stop it. But we're not going to stop it.
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So guess who our favorite, I don't want to say villain,
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but Lane Kiffin is all over at LSU.
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Smart.
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Why not?
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And the thing is, and this proves my point of
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why we need to get rid of the NCAA. It
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is a useless organization. It's totally useless. And I would say, look,
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get the NCAA needs to just step out of the
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way for women's basketball, men's basketball and football. Just let
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them operate. You can do all the Olympic sports. So
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y'all can handle the Olympic sports. But for the big
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three of college football.
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I don't think the Olympic sports want them either.
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It's just terrible.
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Because, like, how do you just not, okay, we see
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this coming. Or maybe you don't see it coming. No,
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you've got to see it coming. I mean, maybe you don't.
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Maybe you don't. Maybe you don't. But immediately just make
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a rule. Just make a, okay, look, we'll let it
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go this year because we didn't have a rule for it.
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But moving forward, this is the new rule. Once you sign,
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you're done. Just make the rule. Like, how hard is this?
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And now you got all these conferences doing different things
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because now you're going to cry foul when the SEC
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has two or three NFL guys back and then the
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Big 12 and they meet each other in big, low
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games and playoffs.
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Now it's going to be, well, they had NFL guys.
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You know, like, what are we doing?
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I mean, it's true.
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I mean, it should be. I don't care. Whenever you leave.
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middle school and go to high school, you're in high school.
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You leave high school, you go to college, you're in college.
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You leave college, go to play in the pros, you're
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in the pros. There is no back. I don't care
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what your birthday is. I don't care what none of
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those kind of things. You are in that particular level
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because I played four years. Oh, but you know what?
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I get five. I can get five. So I want
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to go... And I'm on the Vikings... Maybe I might
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be getting– I think I could be getting cut. So
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what I want to do is I want to go back.
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I want to go back to Marshall and get me
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another year.
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And let's just call out the elephant in the room.
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The reason this is happening is because of NIL. That
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is the bottom line. They can get paid more money,
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more everything at the collegiate level than they're getting at
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the NFL level. As a rookie.
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See, and that's why you have to cap NIL because
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of that because, again– How is it possible that you're
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going to be in college making more money than you're
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going to be making in the pro?
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But how do we cap it? Because, again, to my point,
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when you say cap it, that means you cap it
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for the Olympic athletes, too.
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And they don't have a professional.
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They're not going to make nothing in the professional ranks
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if you're like a professional lacrosse player. So are we
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going to cap it for certain sports and not others?
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No. You have to cap it for all of them.
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I mean, it's unfortunate, but I think that's just the
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way it.
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Has to be. It has to be across the board.
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But if I'm an Olympic athlete, I'm saying, like, why
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do you got to? I don't want it capped because
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this is the opportunity. This is the only opportunity I
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have to make money.
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But the cap could be different there than maybe it is.
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But you can't do that. You can't cap it for
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one sport. NCAA, Title IX, and all them other things,
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it has to be equal.
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Yeah, he's right. But I mean, to me, if you're
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playing one of those Olympic sports, the likelihood of you
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making even close to what the football players are making
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is is it's one in a million chances. Really? Let's
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look at that.
519
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I mean, that's true. Yeah.
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But if I'm like somebody who's popular on social media. Well, yeah,
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but I could I could raise that maybe not based
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strictly on performance or viewership. But but, you know, other factors,
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I can make a lot of money. So you're going
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to cap it for me too? That's just not. So
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what I'm saying is like, it just doesn't.
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I understand. But let me ask this question. Does the
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NFL have to work necessarily care about what the Olympic
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sports are doing? Or do we, or can we. We
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talking about college. I ain't talking about the NFL. Okay.
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So if I'm college football.
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I know what you're saying.
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Do I have to worry about what's happening in the Olympics?
533
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You do because you're funding everything. College. That's the college football.
534
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I'm funding.
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I'm funding. The players who come to Marshall, I'm funding them. No,
536
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Marshall football funds the athletic department. Well, that's true. Yeah.
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Let me throw this point out. So when I was
538
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doing the research today, I came across this, and it
539
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said that in order for an NFL rookie player to
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go back to the collegiate level or playing field, they
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have to be waived or released by the franchise. So, obviously,
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what if the NFL had a player that they felt
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like was really, really valuable and was going to be good,
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like somebody that was like a Heisman player.
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And they didn't want to cut.
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And he says, I want to go back. Would they,
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you know, would that cause like a.
548
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That could be a sticky situation.
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It could be if they feel like maybe he is good,
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but he needs some more development. So we'll cut you,
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go back, get another year, and then we'll redraft you.
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They could do that, or they might say, yeah, we're
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keeping you.
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Is there a guarantee that you can get him in
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the draft the following year?
556
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Well, that's true, too.
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I mean, it's not a guarantee. It's all, you know,
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roll of the dice. But I'm just saying, and I'm
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in agreement. I think once you sign the NFL, once
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you get drafted, Once you go, and I say the
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same thing for basketball, just go play professional. You shouldn't
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be allowed to come back. Like, again, if you get drafted,
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you don't sign anything, and you don't go to camp,
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that's a different situation.
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That's a different situation.
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But once you, like, actually go to camp and you're
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actually participating in practice, come on, man.
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Move forward. To that point, if you participate, if you
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get drafted, I think if you get drafted, you're– To me,
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I think you're in. Or you sign. I'll say sign
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or draft. No, here's the problem with if I draft you.
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Let's say I draft you one. And then you decide
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you want to do something different. But them guys ain't
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going back. We're not talking about those guys. Nobody getting
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drafted when it's going back to college. Okay? We're talking
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about seven rounds back. We'll see. We'll see. Undrafted preseason.
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We'll see. I don't know, though. Or late round draft picks.
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Late round draft picks.
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Anymore.
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The NIL, the way they pay. But what about our
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boy Lane Kiffin down here? He's playing like– I mean,
582
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what is up with what he's doing and saying? The SEC,
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you know, made that strong statement like, you know, we
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don't approve of this. You know, it's not something that
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we feel like is right. We're opposing this trend. And
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he comes out and says, hey, if I don't sign them,
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you know, our rivals will.
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He writes. That is true.
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But shouldn't the SEC kind of rein in what he's saying?
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Like that makes the league look bad.
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They should control the system. It's out of control. Yes.
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And they're not willing to step in and say no.
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The SEC is about winning.
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So if they get an advantage, if they get any advantage,
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whether you're talking about playing players, whether you're talking about
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getting former NFL guys, they're going to do it. The
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SEC don't care about that. They want to win.
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It's football and everything else down there.
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Do you not think there would be an asterisk beside
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a team like LSU if they would have these two
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or three NFL players come in and they should happen
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to win a national championship?
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I don't think so at all.
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You don't think people would bring that up?
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Indiana had dudes that were like 27 last year.
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Yeah, but they weren't on an active roster with the
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NFL and came back.
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I mean, you're right.
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I ain't saying you're not wrong, but I don't think
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it'd be an asterisk. I think the asterisk days are
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over for college sports until we can reign it back in.
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Because of all the movement, I mean, and all the
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things and paying players. Them days are gone.
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How long do you think, when you look back, when
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was the first sign of, uh-oh, college sports is in trouble?
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I'll tell you.
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The Ed O'Bannon lawsuit, in, I think it was the
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early 2000s, 90s, or it might have been late 90s,
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but again, you can look it up. Ed O'Bannon lawsuit.
620
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So back in the day, they had the NCAA football
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games and the basketball games. And his argument essentially was like,
622
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we need to get a piece of that. So if
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you're selling tickets or you're selling my jersey or you're
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selling my likeness, Just give us a piece of that.
625
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That was the point in which the NCAA could have said, okay,
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we're going to create a revenue sharing model. I'm telling you,
627
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and I don't care what anybody says, if it's 2004, 2003, 2002,
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if you give top players at that time $ 10, 000 a month, $ 5, 000
629
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a month, a couple thousand a month, just far as
630
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in the revenue share, they would have been totally satisfied. Remember,
631
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nobody was asking for these millions and hundreds of thousands
632
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of dollars. They was asking for it. pure little piece
633
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of the pie just to compensate me for what I'm
634
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doing and what you're selling and promoting. NCAA's failure to act,
635
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.309
it was Mark Emmond, I think he was the commissioner
636
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at the time, their failure to act and failure to
637
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see the future from that standpoint, that was the beginning
638
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of the end.
639
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Okay? If I were going to defend him and say, okay,
640
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he couldn't picture this happening. Could you, could you, could
641
00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:58.369
you give him that?
642
00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:02.799
No, because you can't, because what you, because remember around
643
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that time, You had the TV deals happening. So remember,
644
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Notre Dame, Mark, they was kind of the first that
645
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had the big TV deal. Then you had teams like
646
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Texas and the Floridas and the Florida States and the Miamis.
647
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They were getting like these individual TV deals. Then the
648
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conferences were getting these big TV deals. So all this
649
00:31:19.190 --> 00:31:21.829
money was out there. You know, you're talking about like
650
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what the revenue and the viewership of the national championships
651
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and the big bowl games. So you can't have all
652
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this money circulating around these players and then just say, hey, Well,
653
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you should be happy with a scholarship. And then in turn,
654
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and then in turn say, well, if an agent or
655
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somebody's dad buys you a Happy Meal from McDonald's, now
656
00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:43.539
we're going to suspend you for it forever. So they
657
00:31:43.579 --> 00:31:46.940
put all the onus on the players, didn't share any
658
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of the money, a little slice. And remember, players was
659
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.509
just asking for a little. They weren't asking for that much.
660
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They were asking for a little bit, a little bit,
661
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a little taste. That's all they were asking for. So
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their failure to act, the failure to see the future,
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the failure to see where this is going, particularly when
664
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you had those big TV contracts, that was the beginning
665
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of the end. And again, too often we like to
666
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pick the onus on the players. And remember, remember what
667
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coaches were doing at the time, too. So now we've
668
00:32:14.170 --> 00:32:18.420
seen these big exorbitant coaching contracts. Remember Jimbo Fisher? 70
669
00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:23.440
plus million is a buyout. And then what were coaches doing?
670
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.720
We seen it with Rich Rod, right? They would lead
671
00:32:25.779 --> 00:32:28.509
a team. The team would be, you know, 12-1 or 11-2.
672
00:32:29.779 --> 00:32:33.039
Really good seasons. So they go from, like, a mid-major or, like,
673
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.740
a lower-level power five to, like, the big dogs. And
674
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then what would they do? Not coach the ball game.
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00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:42.950
And they said nothing about that. So when you have
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all these things combined and the NCAA's failure to act
677
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in their own mission, that was then.
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So it's on them.
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That's why they're a useless organization and they should be disbanded.
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If we disband them, what would control and who would
681
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be in... Are you going to leave it to the conferences?
682
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I like your idea where we take third parties who
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ain't got nothing to do with nothing. They're not affiliated
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with or not directly affiliated with the schools. You might
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be alumni, but you're not directly affiliated with school. You
686
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have a collection of former players. You have a collection
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of current players. You have a collection of coaches. And
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then you would have some administrators as far as the schools.
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So I think you have that board together. And to
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your point, and I like what you said, everything is transparent.
691
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All the meetings... You can view them all. There's notes.
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Everything is transparent. They come up with the rules, the guidelines,
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and everything. And you're getting all perspectives. And everything is
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on YouTube. So we can see who's voting for what,
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why they're voting for what, and all the things. Everything
696
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is 100% transparent.
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Isn't it crazy, though, when you think about it, when
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you say transparency, that the first thing that comes to
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your mind is, they're not going to do that. You
700
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know what I'm saying?
701
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Yeah, good point.
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There's no way they want to do that. And when
703
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has transparency ever been a problem if you're doing something right?
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I don't know.
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I just think that's the way it ought to be.
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Like I said, I think that's the way it ought
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to be. And you're rotating, so you're not there forever.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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You're there, like, maybe on a two- to three-year basis,
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and it's rotating in and out.
712
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Right.
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And I'll say this. I think football is in the
714
00:34:50.170 --> 00:34:56.730
worst position now of all sports. I think they are
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heading to a space that who knows where it's going
716
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to blow up at. The amount of money that they're
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going to have to come up with to pay players
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What players are able to do now? You know, I'm
719
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going to stay back for more money.
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Yeah.
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You know, I'm going to get drafted, but I'm going
722
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to come back and play another year. All these kinds
723
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of things.
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I worry about our mid-majors. That's who I worry about.
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I don't worry about these power, you know, the power conferences.
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It's the mid-majors that struggle to keep their bills paid,
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their football programs alive. I mean, you know, it's going
728
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.420
to get to a point when these mid-majors, these kids,
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they can't even field a decent team. Because even if
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you're a decent player and you can go to Alabama
731
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and sit the bench and make this godless amount of money,
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and the mid-majors are struggling for their life just to
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field a team. I mean, that's my worry. Like, I
734
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worry about teams like, you know, Marshall and our smaller
735
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schools here in West Virginia. And honestly, WU's, you know,
736
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.159
they're pretty, you know, they're up there, but they're still not...
737
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.800
an Alabama or an LSU, you know, they still have
738
00:36:12.820 --> 00:36:14.099
to worry a little bit too.
739
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.519
Do you think, what about revenue sharing?
740
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.360
They do that to a degree.
741
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.780
I think they're starting that now where they, like, you
742
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.860
get a certain, I forget the exact number.
743
00:36:23.900 --> 00:36:27.800
But it's conferences, right? I thought it was conferences and NCAA. See,
744
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:32.130
if you do conference, you might only, on the lower conferences,
745
00:36:32.429 --> 00:36:33.110
you're getting $ 10.
746
00:36:33.050 --> 00:36:34.989
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
747
00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:39.800
But if you do, if you do it Quote, collegiate
748
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.199
football is everybody gets a shot. So all the money
749
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:44.780
that we make.
750
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.500
But do you think the SECs and the Big Ten
751
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would go for that?
752
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:48.880
I don't think so.
753
00:36:49.219 --> 00:36:51.219
I don't think so either. They need that money to
754
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attract those players.
755
00:36:52.340 --> 00:36:54.929
There is some revenue-sharing model, but that's kind of not
756
00:36:54.949 --> 00:36:58.130
the end-all, be-all. I think there is something with the
757
00:36:58.210 --> 00:37:00.409
NCAA where everybody kind of gets a piece of the pie.
758
00:37:00.429 --> 00:37:03.750
But to your point, it's not significant enough to– To
759
00:37:03.769 --> 00:37:06.380
change it. I think those are just, you know, stabilization
760
00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:09.099
funds where you can actually, like, maintain your program.
761
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:09.940
Mm-hmm.
762
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:20.070
So. I think collegiate ball is really in a struggling place.
763
00:37:20.690 --> 00:37:21.170
For some.
764
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For some.
765
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But I would say, but I would agree. I think
766
00:37:25.190 --> 00:37:28.630
it's struggling for everybody because I think that you're going
767
00:37:28.650 --> 00:37:33.570
to ruin, like, the legacy of college football because again,
768
00:37:34.530 --> 00:37:38.230
we're letting the money dictate rivalries and like this team,
769
00:37:38.250 --> 00:37:42.550
like these two teams ain't playing each other or USC
770
00:37:42.570 --> 00:37:45.420
and Stanford's in the Big Ten now. It's like you're
771
00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:47.760
flying across the country every week. That doesn't make sense.
772
00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:49.920
And the days of, like we've said before, the days
773
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:52.780
of knowing the names of the kids on the team
774
00:37:52.820 --> 00:37:53.619
from year to year.
775
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.139
The T-bows and stuff like that.
776
00:37:55.179 --> 00:37:58.329
Yeah, that's gone. That's to the wayside because there's such
777
00:37:58.369 --> 00:37:59.650
a turnover all the time.
778
00:37:59.670 --> 00:38:05.750
And is the high school athlete looking for a school
779
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or is he looking for money?
780
00:38:08.380 --> 00:38:10.920
Well, I don't think– it's not significant enough right now
781
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where there's going to be a whole bunch of money
782
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in high school sports.
783
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No, I'm saying– When he leaves high school. When you
784
00:38:16.250 --> 00:38:18.809
leave it. Are you looking to be recruited by somebody
785
00:38:18.829 --> 00:38:20.710
who's going to pay you? I think you got to–
786
00:38:20.730 --> 00:38:22.389
It goes hand in hand, doesn't it? It goes hand
787
00:38:22.409 --> 00:38:23.889
in hand. I mean, if you're the best player in
788
00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:29.679
the state, I mean, you can go on a visit,
789
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:33.599
see campus, hang out, do all the things that you
790
00:38:33.619 --> 00:38:37.909
do on recruiting trips, But what's going to matter is
791
00:38:37.929 --> 00:38:42.070
when you're sitting in that office and the AD and
792
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the coach is telling you how much money we're going
793
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to pay. I mean, that's crazy.
794
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If you're the top guy in West Virginia and it's
795
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.860
coming down between West Virginia and Pitt, West Virginia can
796
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pay you.
797
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.880
$ 100, 000.
798
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.440
A year and Pitt can pay you $ 250, 000. That's where
799
00:38:56.460 --> 00:38:57.159
you're going.
800
00:38:57.179 --> 00:38:59.849
That's where you're going. It's tough. It's a decision and
801
00:38:59.889 --> 00:39:02.369
it's probably going to come down to the money, right? Yeah. Yeah.
802
00:39:02.409 --> 00:39:07.380
That's sad. It's a shame, but that's literally where we are.
803
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:08.280
That's where we are.
804
00:39:08.380 --> 00:39:09.920
Yep, and it's the NCAA's fault.
805
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.969
Oh, boy. Last word. Last word, Hollis.
806
00:39:15.989 --> 00:39:21.530
All their fault. All right, so we've talked about the
807
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advancement of sports. Let's drop down and let's talk a
808
00:39:28.349 --> 00:39:29.190
little bit about you.
809
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Sports.
810
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Youth football is kind of the thing that's going on now.
811
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When you guys look at it or hear it, when
812
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you hear youth sports.
813
00:39:43.789 --> 00:39:48.809
What comes to your mind? Is there something, is there
814
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like a positive side to it? Do you like all
815
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.500
these little kids are out there having fun playing football?
816
00:39:53.980 --> 00:39:57.860
Or is it like, oh man, I can't even imagine
817
00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:02.239
what's it even going to look like? What is it
818
00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:05.530
that the outside world kind of, I'm inside of it,
819
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so I don't really know.
820
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I think for me, like having little kids who participate
821
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in youth sports, it depends on the actual sports that
822
00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:17.030
they're playing. Like, I think some sports lend themselves to
823
00:40:17.110 --> 00:40:21.150
being more developmental and about fun. So that's the sports
824
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that I push my daughters in. Like, I don't want
825
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.880
them necessarily. Again, I want you to be competitive. I
826
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want you to get better. I want you to win
827
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or try to win. But I don't want it to
828
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:35.179
be a toxic environment. And I think, unfortunately, you know, unfortunately,
829
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.619
when it comes to football, when it comes to cheerleading,
830
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.429
to me, those are just toxic environments. as far as
831
00:40:42.469 --> 00:40:45.030
on a youth level. And I would say it's pervasive
832
00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:47.849
not only here locally, but if you look on social media,
833
00:40:47.869 --> 00:40:50.989
it's everywhere. The things that coaches are doing, the things
834
00:40:51.030 --> 00:40:56.840
that parents are doing, it's a really, really toxic environment.
835
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From my opinion, from those two sports specifically.
836
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I'm going to go, I mean, I kind of agree
837
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with what Hollis is saying, but I'm going to go
838
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on to what is actually happening on the field in
839
00:41:11.309 --> 00:41:15.550
particular in football. And a concern for me, you know,
840
00:41:15.739 --> 00:41:19.039
is the risk of, of those, you know, especially if
841
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.039
you're talking about five-year-olds, I think that's the youngest you
842
00:41:22.059 --> 00:41:24.059
can go. Or is it three? Is it younger than five?
843
00:41:24.500 --> 00:41:25.000
Okay.
844
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.510
So you've got this risk of, of, of, you know,
845
00:41:29.190 --> 00:41:32.190
these kids are, their brains are developing. They're, you know,
846
00:41:33.130 --> 00:41:36.170
they're still growing and you've got this risk of, unless
847
00:41:36.210 --> 00:41:39.829
they're taught properly the way to hit, you've got head trauma.
848
00:41:39.849 --> 00:41:43.070
And we all know that what, you know, continued hits
849
00:41:43.150 --> 00:41:46.639
or blows to your head and brain area, the more
850
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.960
likely that you're going to have issues later on in life, neurologically,
851
00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:57.579
particularly CTE. You know, for me, I agree with the
852
00:41:57.699 --> 00:42:01.519
outside part of the game can be toxic. The game itself,
853
00:42:01.699 --> 00:42:05.730
to me, it needs to be analyzed. In fact, I'll
854
00:42:05.909 --> 00:42:08.369
just give you, I did a little research. Imagine that.
855
00:42:08.389 --> 00:42:12.469
Did some research about, you know, what some of these
856
00:42:12.550 --> 00:42:17.809
different higher institutions think of youth sports at, you know,
857
00:42:17.829 --> 00:42:20.599
the younger ages. And there was some research from Boston
858
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.690
University and groups like the Aspen Institute and And they
859
00:42:24.750 --> 00:42:29.570
suggested delaying tackle football until the age of 14 or later.
860
00:42:29.590 --> 00:42:30.610
So high school, essentially.
861
00:42:30.630 --> 00:42:34.929
Yeah, high school, essentially. And that was a pretty recent study.
862
00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:38.880
And their reasoning was kind of what I just said.
863
00:42:38.980 --> 00:42:43.139
Unless it's taught properly, it can be very dangerous.
864
00:42:43.460 --> 00:42:48.199
And it's tough to be taught properly because you don't
865
00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:55.070
have guys who are coaching it. Could be dads. Exactly.
866
00:42:55.130 --> 00:42:58.900
Who don't necessarily always know what drills to do or
867
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.199
what needs to be done. But then there are some
868
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.159
that are tough-minded, and now we want to do more physicality.
869
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.550
We want to hit and do all those kind of things.
870
00:43:12.949 --> 00:43:21.309
But my thoughts of youth sports is I think we
871
00:43:21.349 --> 00:43:25.780
should do at each level We can change it a
872
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.789
little bit. So I think when you first start playing
873
00:43:28.829 --> 00:43:31.130
youth football, it should be flagged.
874
00:43:32.329 --> 00:43:33.210
The five-year-old.
875
00:43:33.250 --> 00:43:36.019
The five-year-old. I think it should be. And I'm fine
876
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:37.920
with them in helmets and shoulder pads and all that
877
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.000
kind of stuff. Put the flag on the side and
878
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.989
let them go. so they can still do all the
879
00:43:43.050 --> 00:43:45.489
contact and all that kind of stuff, but it's not
880
00:43:45.550 --> 00:43:50.059
necessarily tackling. You're not necessarily falling on the ground, head
881
00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:53.599
hitting the ground, all of those kinds of things. You
882
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.539
can kind of take that to a minimum. I would
883
00:43:57.579 --> 00:44:01.789
probably do that from maybe five to seven. And then
884
00:44:02.030 --> 00:44:06.090
when you get to eight, now I think, okay, now
885
00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:08.389
we can start to try to put you in the helmet.
886
00:44:08.429 --> 00:44:09.369
So 14 is too late.
887
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.260
I think it's too late.
888
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.559
I mean, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm looking at
889
00:44:16.579 --> 00:44:16.900
the research.
890
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.989
Yeah, I understand. The reason I say that might be
891
00:44:20.030 --> 00:44:24.010
a little bit late because the kid that's pretty good,
892
00:44:26.210 --> 00:44:29.010
he's not going to get enough teaching yet before, boom,
893
00:44:29.030 --> 00:44:32.050
he's in the high school era. And I think that could.
894
00:44:32.289 --> 00:44:34.070
And not everybody's going to follow those rules.
895
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:34.739
Right, right.
896
00:44:34.820 --> 00:44:36.920
So that's going to put other players at a disadvantage.
897
00:44:37.099 --> 00:44:41.849
So I'd like to think that there could be you know,
898
00:44:42.090 --> 00:44:46.130
like this younger level is flag, and this next level,
899
00:44:46.510 --> 00:44:49.510
whatever those numbers are, okay, so now we're doing tackle.
900
00:44:49.889 --> 00:44:54.400
But what we're doing, because in youth now, at one
901
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.380
level you can be on the field and then coaches
902
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.460
have to go off the field at the older level.
903
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.960
I think we keep the coaches on the field the
904
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.159
entire time so he can see here in case there
905
00:45:06.219 --> 00:45:08.489
is something that takes place, a kid gets hit or
906
00:45:08.530 --> 00:45:11.369
something and we miss it, And the kid doesn't know
907
00:45:11.429 --> 00:45:14.849
what necessarily to do. We can we can get him out.
908
00:45:16.230 --> 00:45:19.869
And then once you get to middle school now, now
909
00:45:19.909 --> 00:45:23.369
you're all into the full tackle, all of that kind
910
00:45:23.409 --> 00:45:26.860
of stuff. And and I just think that's it's just
911
00:45:27.050 --> 00:45:30.599
safer to me. And it and it takes away all
912
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.739
that contact that. We have prior to. I think you
913
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.739
just got too many egos. So I think that egos ruin. Yes,
914
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.539
I will give you that. I'm talking about specifically youth football.
915
00:45:43.699 --> 00:45:43.860
Yes.
916
00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:44.659
And cheerleading.
917
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.179
Because I think we don't talk about cheerleading enough where.
918
00:45:47.710 --> 00:45:49.630
I mean, the women be getting in fights at the
919
00:45:49.650 --> 00:45:52.130
cheerleading competitions every year. He'll tell you that.
920
00:45:52.369 --> 00:45:52.710
Every year.
921
00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:56.550
No, no, and I'm not exaggerating. I'm talking about physical fistfights.
922
00:45:56.610 --> 00:46:00.329
It's the moms and the coaches fighting, literally. And I
923
00:46:00.369 --> 00:46:03.280
think you got way too many egos and way too
924
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:05.699
many I want to win, way too many I want to.
925
00:46:06.019 --> 00:46:07.039
It's not about the kids.
926
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.460
It's not about the kids. And I think until we
927
00:46:09.500 --> 00:46:13.219
change that. Because I would agree. I think you start,
928
00:46:13.429 --> 00:46:15.840
to me, you start tackling football maybe fourth and fifth
929
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.900
grade and leading up to middle school. You know, but
930
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.260
I just think we got too many egos and we
931
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.090
got too much toxicity with surrounding youth football.
932
00:46:25.110 --> 00:46:26.909
So how do you change that? How do you change
933
00:46:26.949 --> 00:46:27.610
that level of.
934
00:46:29.429 --> 00:46:31.550
I think the toxic side of it, I don't think
935
00:46:31.590 --> 00:46:36.280
that you can change it because I love football so much.
936
00:46:36.340 --> 00:46:38.860
I can't wait until youth football starts, and I can't
937
00:46:38.900 --> 00:46:42.329
wait to get those kids out on the field. Like, that...
938
00:46:43.250 --> 00:46:45.969
That mentality, I don't think that you can change it.
939
00:46:46.090 --> 00:46:49.119
It looks good on one side. It sounds good at
940
00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:52.420
first until you get your kid out there and you
941
00:46:52.460 --> 00:46:55.940
watch your kid with that coach and you're like, well, whoa, whoa,
942
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.920
wait a minute. This is my kid's first year. He
943
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:02.800
doesn't know anything.
944
00:47:02.889 --> 00:47:04.389
Like I said, I think you just have to have
945
00:47:04.429 --> 00:47:08.400
a paradigm shift and it has to be More governing bodies,
946
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.099
you know, even if it's like, you know, where we're
947
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:15.300
just looking at, like, it's basically you have, like, from
948
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:18.150
the high school down that you have kind of an
949
00:47:18.190 --> 00:47:22.090
administrator who's, so it's the same district as whatever your
950
00:47:22.130 --> 00:47:24.050
high school is. You just, it's just kind of one
951
00:47:24.130 --> 00:47:26.230
organization from the high school to middle school to youth.
952
00:47:26.659 --> 00:47:29.909
to elementary, make it part of maybe the school or something.
953
00:47:29.989 --> 00:47:32.340
I don't know. It just, to me, it's just bad.
954
00:47:32.429 --> 00:47:34.650
And I was going to ask you that question because
955
00:47:34.989 --> 00:47:37.380
I do think that there has to be some form
956
00:47:37.420 --> 00:47:48.769
of outside leadership and somebody's in charge other than this
957
00:47:48.889 --> 00:47:53.159
board that is made up of coaches. Yeah. And that
958
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:53.719
doesn't work.
959
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:53.960
Yeah.
960
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:55.960
I would just, I mean, if in a perfect world,
961
00:47:56.019 --> 00:47:58.039
I would just make it where it's just like the
962
00:47:58.099 --> 00:48:01.780
high school on down. So the high school, you streamline it.
963
00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:04.730
So your high school, your middle schools, and then who,
964
00:48:04.989 --> 00:48:08.110
who's ever within that high school, whatever elementaries are within
965
00:48:08.150 --> 00:48:10.389
that high school district. You just, y'all have like just
966
00:48:10.590 --> 00:48:11.570
one big organization.
967
00:48:12.110 --> 00:48:14.090
But who would take that on? I mean, you couldn't
968
00:48:14.170 --> 00:48:17.070
ask the high schools to do that. Not necessarily high school.
969
00:48:17.090 --> 00:48:20.570
But like your outside administrator would kind of be, you
970
00:48:20.590 --> 00:48:21.510
have like an AD.
971
00:48:21.730 --> 00:48:24.869
It's hard to find people, I think, of quality because
972
00:48:24.889 --> 00:48:26.159
a lot of it's volunteer work.
973
00:48:26.610 --> 00:48:29.090
Yeah, but I'm saying pay everybody. That would be my answer.
974
00:48:29.110 --> 00:48:30.090
And where do you get the money?
975
00:48:30.369 --> 00:48:33.170
I mean, it's money. It's $ 300 million. I hope scholars
976
00:48:33.190 --> 00:48:36.590
should be having money. That's a different argument. So the
977
00:48:36.610 --> 00:48:39.809
money's out there. I don't want to ever hear the
978
00:48:39.829 --> 00:48:41.849
state of West Virginia talk about money or lack thereof.
979
00:48:41.949 --> 00:48:44.889
The money's there. And I truly do. One of the
980
00:48:44.929 --> 00:48:47.630
things that I think is really, really important is I
981
00:48:47.710 --> 00:48:54.030
think that somebody in a higher level has to have
982
00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:57.380
a conversation about youth sports. And that's not just football.
983
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:02.119
But football is definitely at the top of the list.
984
00:49:02.179 --> 00:49:05.199
But we have to have a discussion about what is
985
00:49:05.260 --> 00:49:07.610
going on in youth sports. And again, let me say this.
986
00:49:07.969 --> 00:49:09.590
And I don't want to single them out because I
987
00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:12.289
think all sports have a level of toxic to them.
988
00:49:12.670 --> 00:49:14.550
So we can find parents arguing and bickering about a
989
00:49:14.590 --> 00:49:17.210
bunch of sports. I just think it's more pervasive and
990
00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:19.969
more like we're just seeing it more in football generations.
991
00:49:20.110 --> 00:49:21.610
because of the nature of the game.
992
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:21.929
Right.
993
00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:22.679
You know what I mean?
994
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.380
We've seen the young lady storm the field because her
995
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:29.150
brother was allegedly, you know, getting hit hard the other day.
996
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:30.079
I don't know if you guys seen it.
997
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:31.039
I don't think I saw that.
998
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.019
It was a 16-year-old girl who came out of the
999
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.619
stands and attacked the player from an opposing team because
1000
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.139
allegedly her brother was, quote, unquote, getting hit hard or,
1001
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:43.639
you know, what she thought was a personal foul. You
1002
00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:45.280
know what I'm saying? That young lady's been charged. So
1003
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.300
I think we don't, we don't necessarily see that in
1004
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:49.849
like soccer games. You see that sometime in basketball, but
1005
00:49:49.889 --> 00:49:52.269
you see that a lot in football. So I think
1006
00:49:52.309 --> 00:49:54.730
just the nature of the game lends itself to that
1007
00:49:54.789 --> 00:49:57.409
sort of toxic environment, but we have to, and I
1008
00:49:57.449 --> 00:50:00.590
say this, we got to change it before like it
1009
00:50:00.710 --> 00:50:01.650
just self-destructs.
1010
00:50:01.750 --> 00:50:02.269
Right.
1011
00:50:02.309 --> 00:50:04.210
Because I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you're going to
1012
00:50:04.250 --> 00:50:06.489
see like the next Deion Sanders or, You're going to
1013
00:50:06.510 --> 00:50:09.110
see the next LeBron James. They ain't playing basketball. They
1014
00:50:09.130 --> 00:50:11.090
won't be playing football. They will be playing soccer.
1015
00:50:11.409 --> 00:50:11.630
Yeah.
1016
00:50:11.690 --> 00:50:13.780
We're going to see that guy. We're going to see
1017
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.780
the Randy Moss of soccer, the best athlete in the
1018
00:50:16.820 --> 00:50:17.719
state or the country.
1019
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.239
The paradigm is definitely changing.
1020
00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:21.760
They're going to be playing soccer instead of football and basketball.
1021
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:23.699
We're going to see that. We've seen it because it's
1022
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.099
happened in baseball. It's happened with track. It's happened with
1023
00:50:26.139 --> 00:50:30.159
sports already in our lifetime. Football is next. Yeah. I'm
1024
00:50:30.219 --> 00:50:35.610
glad you said that because– It is true. Like, we're
1025
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.710
barely fielding three teams.
1026
00:50:38.010 --> 00:50:41.210
At the youth level. At the youth level. And, you know,
1027
00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:42.869
and I thought it was, hey, it was just us.
1028
00:50:43.329 --> 00:50:46.769
But there are other people who are doing the same thing.
1029
00:50:46.829 --> 00:50:47.309
What was it?
1030
00:50:47.389 --> 00:50:50.679
It was a league or a team in, what was it?
1031
00:50:51.230 --> 00:50:53.429
Somewhere in southern West Virginia. where they had to, like,
1032
00:50:53.489 --> 00:50:55.849
fold the team because they didn't have enough players.
1033
00:50:55.869 --> 00:50:57.510
Was that in Greenbrier County, maybe?
1034
00:50:57.550 --> 00:51:00.039
Yes, it was Greenbrier County. Yeah, they just had to
1035
00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:02.269
fold up. And remember, that wasn't, you know, 10, 15, 20,
1036
00:51:02.269 --> 00:51:04.920
30 years ago. That wasn't even a fight.
1037
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.800
Oh, no. You had too many players. No, you had
1038
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.840
too– yeah, and you're trying to figure out a way
1039
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:10.440
to get all those players in the game.
1040
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:13.179
I mean, I remember when I participated years ago when
1041
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.800
the Dinosaurs were on the earth, when they had Little League,
1042
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.179
you know, for my age group. We had– Chesapeake had
1043
00:51:19.219 --> 00:51:19.550
a team.
1044
00:51:20.130 --> 00:51:20.750
East Bank.
1045
00:51:20.789 --> 00:51:23.949
Marmette had a team. Bell had a team. Rand had
1046
00:51:23.989 --> 00:51:26.320
a team. I mean, it was amazing how many, like.
1047
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:27.960
There were two teams in South Charleston.
1048
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.780
And you got to understand the Eastern Kanawha County, how
1049
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.000
small that is. Those communities, Chesapeake, Marmite, all those communities
1050
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:34.500
are right there.
1051
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.579
Right. On top of each other. And all of them
1052
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:36.940
have teams.
1053
00:51:36.980 --> 00:51:38.139
All of them have teams.
1054
00:51:38.380 --> 00:51:39.659
So it's just like, and I'm telling you, and what
1055
00:51:39.699 --> 00:51:41.659
I would like to see as far as that Greenbrier County,
1056
00:51:41.739 --> 00:51:43.840
I would like to see their soccer team, their soccer leagues.
1057
00:51:44.219 --> 00:51:46.119
Because I bet you their soccer leagues are filled up.
1058
00:51:46.510 --> 00:51:48.630
I bet you they are. I'm going to see if
1059
00:51:48.690 --> 00:51:50.469
I can check on that. I would love to see
1060
00:51:50.510 --> 00:51:53.789
the comparison analysis. You don't have a footballer. Youth League.
1061
00:51:53.949 --> 00:51:57.809
How much has the soccer grown within those last couple
1062
00:51:57.829 --> 00:51:58.210
of years?
1063
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.559
And I'm just saying, anybody out there listening, we better
1064
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.760
fix it. If we don't fix it, it's going to
1065
00:52:04.780 --> 00:52:05.199
go bye-bye.
1066
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.219
And I like the idea of the flag football alternative.
1067
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.050
I really do for the younger ages. I mean, maybe
1068
00:52:14.110 --> 00:52:16.750
not be as extreme as the studies say to go
1069
00:52:16.769 --> 00:52:19.170
to 14, but at least until they're eight or nine
1070
00:52:19.210 --> 00:52:19.690
years old.
1071
00:52:20.130 --> 00:52:22.949
And what will help, what also, excuse me to interrupt you,
1072
00:52:22.969 --> 00:52:26.699
but- I think the piece that would help that is
1073
00:52:27.030 --> 00:52:32.750
now it's not this yelling and screaming, overly... Yeah.
1074
00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:33.889
The hits.
1075
00:52:34.050 --> 00:52:36.389
The hits and all that kind of stuff. You're just
1076
00:52:36.489 --> 00:52:41.489
learning the game, learning positions, and then the only adjustment
1077
00:52:41.530 --> 00:52:44.110
you make is you go from grabbing the flag to
1078
00:52:44.170 --> 00:52:47.949
grabbing the player. And so it's not a whole lot
1079
00:52:47.989 --> 00:52:51.409
that you have to learn to get to the next level,
1080
00:52:51.469 --> 00:52:56.920
but you're protecting them prior to by doing the flag. Yeah,
1081
00:52:56.940 --> 00:53:00.519
I don't know. Something's got to move and shake. Yeah, yeah.
1082
00:53:01.300 --> 00:53:03.719
All right, well, ladies and gentlemen. We have one more thing.
1083
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:04.380
Oh, okay.
1084
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.420
Do we got time? We got time? All right.
1085
00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:10.179
Just a couple of minutes. Maybe play the clip, Matt,
1086
00:53:10.219 --> 00:53:11.619
and I'm just going to add to it real quick.
1087
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:12.119
Game for Phoenix City.
1088
00:53:14.949 --> 00:53:18.110
The hero is Brooks Cameron.
1089
00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:31.449
The comeback is complete, and Alabama survives. Heartbreak for the
1090
00:53:31.489 --> 00:53:34.050
kids from the Eastside Little League in Westchester.
1091
00:53:35.269 --> 00:53:36.429
The largest comeback.
1092
00:53:37.130 --> 00:53:39.949
Okay, so all I want to say is do yourself
1093
00:53:40.070 --> 00:53:43.769
a favor. If you are not watching ESPN today, at work,
1094
00:53:44.409 --> 00:53:47.050
if you're at home during your afternoons, during the weekdays,
1095
00:53:47.789 --> 00:53:52.170
turn it on and watch the Little League Baseball World Series.
1096
00:53:52.389 --> 00:53:57.550
It is unbelievable that the games, the players. Last night,
1097
00:53:57.590 --> 00:54:00.969
I actually turned a game on. The clip that just played,
1098
00:54:01.269 --> 00:54:05.349
it was referring to a game between the Alabama team
1099
00:54:05.389 --> 00:54:09.530
and the Pennsylvania Little League team. And Pennsylvania had Alabama
1100
00:54:09.550 --> 00:54:14.449
down 5-0. And Alabama came back and beat them 6-5
1101
00:54:14.630 --> 00:54:17.659
in an extra inning. These are kids. Like, you think
1102
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.409
when you're watching Little League, if a team's down 5-0,
1103
00:54:19.460 --> 00:54:20.699
it's over. It's over.
1104
00:54:20.739 --> 00:54:20.980
Right?
1105
00:54:21.059 --> 00:54:23.500
It's over. And then the one player, they call her
1106
00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:27.980
Fear the Bow, I think is what her nickname is.
1107
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.889
Her name's Kenley Rasmus. Look her up. She is a
1108
00:54:32.030 --> 00:54:35.989
phenom of the Little League World Series. She's breaking records.
1109
00:54:36.050 --> 00:54:39.179
She is. plays both sides of the ball. She's pitching.
1110
00:54:39.260 --> 00:54:42.739
She's catching the ball. She's hitting the ball. Check her out.
1111
00:54:42.820 --> 00:54:45.800
And she's on a men's team?
1112
00:54:45.820 --> 00:54:48.389
Yes, she's on the boys' team. She's 12 years old,
1113
00:54:48.610 --> 00:54:51.690
and her dad was actually a major league baseball pitcher.
1114
00:54:51.730 --> 00:54:55.389
His name was Corey Rasmus. And her mom, Jill, was
1115
00:54:55.449 --> 00:54:58.809
a standout at Southern Mississippi in softball. So there you go.
1116
00:54:59.150 --> 00:55:00.730
But check it out. It's so fun.
1117
00:55:01.969 --> 00:55:03.179
She's got the athleticism.
1118
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:05.519
Treat yourself and watch this stuff.
1119
00:55:05.659 --> 00:55:09.239
It's always a fun event. All right, then, ladies and gentlemen,
1120
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.219
I will get back with you again next week.
1121
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:37.469
Thank you.