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Welcome to another horrifying review episode of Bill and Ashley's
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Terrify on the Marquee. This week is Obsession. Join us
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right after we get back from never trusting a sandwich again,
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all of that after these ads we have no control over.
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Welcome back. I'm Ashley Coffin, joined as always by my
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co host and terror Bill Bria. Bill Darling, how are
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we today?
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I'm doing great, ass It's a billion dollars. I got
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a billion dollars go.
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I'm going to that house, so it's like, who's going
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to find that?
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Yeah, that's the house you should buy next.
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But before we begin the show and get it all that,
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let's have a look at the news from the horror world. Bill,
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what have you read from the Necronomicon this week? For us?
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Well, I've got a couple of little pieces here.
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One is a little bit of news on the next
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movie from Sean Byrne, whose last film was the Jy
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Courtney starring shark serial killer movie Dangerous Animals, which I
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think we both enjoyed.
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I didn't see it, Oh, I thought you saw it.
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Darn it all right, Well check it out, Ash. But
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he also made movies like the I think it's called
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The Lovely Ones and The Devil's Candy with Ethan Embrie
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as well. And he's got a new one coming up
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called The Mannequin, and it's just cast Lily Reinhart from
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Riverdale and this year's Forbidden Fruits in one of the
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lead roles, but also stars Melissa Leo, who is actually
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in the movie Passenger in theaters as we record this.
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But Mliss Leo, of course, you know this storied actress
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who's been in tons of things throughout her career. And
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they're apparently they're describing this movie The Mannequin as its
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own thrillingly deranged, beast twisted, intense, propulsive, and anchored by
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a fearless performance from Melissa Leo building to a shocking
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twist you won't see coming.
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And I like the sound of that.
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You know they're selling it to me, But yeah, I
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guess it's going to be a bit of a two
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hander with Melissa and Lily and I it seems to
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suggest that Melissa is playing a serial killer. But we'll
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see what's going on and what this will be. So
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production is supposedly going to begin this summer, so we
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probably won't see this movie until next year, but something
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to put a pin in, because I think that Dangerous
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Animals was just another step in the rung of the
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ladder that he seems to be climbing with each movie
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getting better and better as a filmmaker. I think another
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little bit I have is there's two prongs to this.
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One is that supposedly a new director's cut of the
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second X Files movie, The X I Want to Believe,
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is coming to Disney Plus next month in June as
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a bonus feature. Supposedly, you know, creator and director Chris Carter,
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this was the original cut of this movie that he
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wanted to release, but the studio told him at the
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time no, and he had to make it a PG
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thirteen instead of an R and all this sort of jazz.
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I just wanted to bring it up because the fact
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that there's a movement in this arena and the fact
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that Ryan Coogler's you know, reboot series project of X Files.
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Is on the horizon. I'm hoping that they might.
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Re release the whole series, the original series, you know,
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I don't know, maybe on a four K kind of thing.
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I don't know.
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I doing all of the series, and four K is
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even a viable option, but like, if it is, i'd
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love it, but like, you know, maybe a couple episodes
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here and there, or just a general release because right
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now the box set that they put out a few
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years ago, several years ago is very out of print
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and scalpers are selling it for you know, six hundreds
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of dollars on you know.
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Yeah, so I'm streaming anywhere.
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I don't know. I hear here and there things. I mean,
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it's owned by Foxy, so like it should be on
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some sort of Disney Plus thing, right, but I haven't looked.
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But in any case, I'm hoping that, you know, this
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announcement is an indication that maybe, whether for the whole
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series or maybe just the two theatrical films, they might be,
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you know, looking into doing a new flashy bills and
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whistles sort of thing that'd be cool. And then a
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little bit of gaming news, which I think we've discussed
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a little bit in the past about how much I
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enjoyed the Friday the Thirteenth video game when it was
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when it was first coming out. They're adding Jason Vorhees
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as a killer character to the popular multiplayer game Dead
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by Daylight.
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Have you played this ash now?
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I've stopped playing video games a long time ago.
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Yeah, yeah, I've never played this one because I heard
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again mixed things similarly to the Friday the Thirteenth game
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that came out in you know, I think, I guess
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maybe ten years ago now somewhere around there.
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It's known as asymmetrical.
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Video game where you know, you'll have it's a player
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versus player, but like there's people that are you know, killers,
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and then there's people that are survivors or whatever. Again,
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I haven't played the game, so I could be misdescribing it,
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but it's essentially that idea where you know, it's it's
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giving you each with each multiplayer game session, it's giving
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you the experience of, like, you know, either your objective
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is to outlast and outwit the killer who's coming after you,
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or as the killer, you're supposed to you know, kill
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them all. And they've added people like Michael Myers and
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other you know, big names to this series in the past,
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and now the Jason Universe collective is allowing them to
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officially use Jason. So it's an interesting wrinkle because there
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was a rumor that the Jason Universe, you know, it's
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ridiculous that we have to keep calling it that.
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But they're the company.
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I know, the company was maybe going to revive the
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Friday the thirteenth game, you know, down the line, and
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this seems like maybe not, because it's already kind of
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happening in this way. But I don't know. Maybe their
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plan is to do both. I'm not sure. But he's
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gonna apparently show up in the game very soon on
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June sixteenth of this year, so that's a few weeks away.
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And yeah, it seems like things because the Crystal Lake
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series is coming to screens in October of this year,
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it feels like Jason stuff is slowly starting to sort
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of trickle back in and you know, be more than
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just like you know, hard cider ads. So so I'm
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hesitantly excited that we're going to get some more Jason
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in our lives, at least somewhat soon.
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Nice.
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And that's all for me today.
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Okay, Yeah, I'm getting so like, I love Jason, I
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love Michael Myers, and I love everything that they keep doing,
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but I'm just getting a little tired of it. You know, like,
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how are you really going to make the story any different?
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We just keep doing the same thing and rebooting and restarting,
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and then now we're going back, and then we're going forward,
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and we're in space, and then we're in hell, and.
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I'm just like, yeah, yeah.
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It's losing its charm.
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Yeah, although in Jason's case, he has been away for
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so long that it feels like it would feel a
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little bit fresh if they got the right people behind it.
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And hopefully this Crystal Lake idea is something at least compelling,
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you know. I'm hoping it's maybe on the par of
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something like Welcome to Dairy or I didn't see that
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Castle Rock show, but I know that some people liked it,
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you know, where it's kind of like it is this property,
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it is this idea, but at the same time it
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feels so different that like it doesn't feel like old ground,
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you know.
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But we'll see.
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All right, we will be back with our feature film
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after these miss ups from the grave that we have
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no control over, and now it is time for our
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feature film. All right, Obsession. This was this was great.
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I mean, this kind of film has been done before.
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I will say it's not some original story, but what
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was so original about it for me is how they
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did it. I mean, this is it's so many different
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elements of other things, Like it felt like a Twilight
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Zone episode, but it's also like Session, not Session nine
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number nine.
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Yeah it could be could if you're really stretched.
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But yeah, yeah, but love did you did you ever
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see that movie? Oh?
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No, I didnt see the movie. I thought you were
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talking about the pop song that there's a full there's
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a dead movie.
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Where I need a you know, kind of like the
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same kind of thing and the Stepford Wives a little bit.
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So it's just like, you know, how they told it
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was very interesting that the different choices that they were
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using in something that is as a common story, but
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the elevation of it is very interesting. Like, let me
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get the plot out the way, because I don't know
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how to talk about this without spoilering everything. So of
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Session follows Bear, a lonely young man who uses a
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supernatural wish to make his longtime friend Nicki fall in
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love with him. What starts as a relationship he's always
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wanted quickly turns into a nightmare as Nicky's affections become violent, dangerous,
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and completely uncontrollable. The film blend psychological and supernatural horror
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while exploring obsession, loneliness, and the terrifying consequences of forcing love.
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This was brilliant.
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I mean, well that was brilliant what you just said.
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But yeah, like it's it's like it's you couldn't sum
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it up better, Like it's just so and everything you've
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said so far, Ash I totally agree with It's it's
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not necessarily that it's a so blistering unique like no
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one's ever in the history of horror film or anything.
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You've done this before. It's a it's a you know, milange,
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it's a it's a potpourria of stuff that's all been
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done before. Some of it almost ad nauseum, you know,
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like some of it like so much that like it's
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become a cliche. But this is a huge but the
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way the Curry Barker, who wrote and directed the film,
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puts it all together is something that I genuinely feel
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is so unique. And I think that's why it's hitting
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as big as it is, because it's a little bit
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right place, right time. But at the same time, it's
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just such an intelligent, clever, subversive, you know, collection of
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these tropes and these ideas and these themes that you know,
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it allows for so much. I have not stopped thought
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thinking about this movie since I've seen it, and I've
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seen it twice, but like, I didn't need to to
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keep thinking about it, you know, like I it was
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just in there from the get go. Let me tell
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you that my first screening of this, it was at
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a press screening in a little screening room in the
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morning here in La I. For my medical reasons, my doctor,
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my primary care doctor, has me on a diuretic which
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makes you pee, and I took it that morning, thinking, Okay,
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I'll go a few times before the movie and then
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I should be good for two hours, and then after
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the movie, I'll go. Unfortunately, I had to go like
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forty minutes into the movie.
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That's me every movie.
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But despite the pressure of my bladder for the next
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however long it was, you know, sixty minutes or something,
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I did not care. I was like, I am not
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moving from the seat. I have to keep watching. I
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cannot lose a minute of this. So yeah, I was
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torturing myself through the first screening of this, but I
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was like, this is so good. I don't want to
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lea because it really is just that compelling. And I
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think that there's such a I think we have to mention,
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you know, this has this runaway success phenomenon wave that's
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happening right now as we record this. It's actually all
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these box office you know, prognosticators and analysts and everything
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are talking about how it's doing something that movies never do,
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which is increasing its box office take in the second weekend, right,
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which is insane.
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It's very paranormal activity. And it's probably they say, maybe
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going to surpass all the other movies from making the
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most money back because I think, what was the budget
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eight hundred thousand.
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Or something like that. Yeah, a million, let's get a million. Yeah,
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And it's I don't.
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I didn't. I was like, I'm not going to keep
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checking because it keeps changing. Yeah, let's see box office.
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And I think that it's nice that there's a real
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like sort of electricity abound the movie here in LA
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because they shot it here. They shot it in Burbank,
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and most of the actors are local, you know too,
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so I feel like it has a little bit of
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hometown hero thing.
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So the fact that it grew thirty percent this second weekend,
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also up against the Star Wars movie, is pretty crazy.
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It is nuts. It's nuts.
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because really, the as good as this movie is, it
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really feels like the success and the way that it's
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trending is generally because of word of mouth. And it's
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really it's really hardening to know that that can still
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happen in this day and age, you know, because it
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feels like word of mouth, you know, doesn't it didn't
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used to carry. It doesn't carry as much as it
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used to maybe back in the day when internet wasn't
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you know, as big, and things get so easily lost
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in social media these days, and you know, one person
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can yell from the rooftops for weeks about how great
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something is and only two people will hear them. But
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you know, it really does feel like this one just
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caught that wildfire, however it did, and it's really it's
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it's broken containment.
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It's gone. It's gone. Yeah.
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So it's at forty four million now, pacing towards it
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says a one hundred million is what they think it's
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going to make by the end, which is crazy. And
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we're talking what they did was so smart. Little details
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that they did in this even the obsession from the
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title card was sewn into the comforter. So if you
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haven't seen it yet, which I don't know what you're
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doing here if you haven't seen it, but you can
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listen to us and then go look for these little
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tiny things. Yeah, we were talking about the practical with
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the makeup and yeah, just it's crazy how little you
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have to do to really change someone's face. And I
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think that's what was my favorite part about this is
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it wasn't so it wasn't just Nicki. There's definitely some
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form of entity possessing her. And we kind of don't know.
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We don't know anything about anything, and that is okay
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with me. We don't know what this one wish thing is,
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where it came from, you know what the magic is
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behind it, and that's totally fine. But there is definitely
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an entity because when Nicki actually comes through every so
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often herself, it is absolutely terrifying. You feel so bad
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for this girl because she's always screaming like, it's not me,
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it's not me, she's harming her, she's just being crazy.
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She's changing her face, like she's changing her voice. And yeah,
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that actress I can't remember her name is, and she
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never she did everything I thought everybody was very good.
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And what I want to get off the bat here
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is that I was never on bear side. I was
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very disgusted and upset with him the entire time. But
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I felt bad for him in the beginning. But he
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lost me completely during this when they've had that sex scene,
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that very all, very uncomfortable sex scene, and I think
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that's how you're supposed to feel if you're a good person.
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Well, I mean it's not a subtle moment because like
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it happens just after he's got the most up to
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that point, the most evidence of like, oh, something is
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very wrong here, and it's because of what I did,
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Because up to that point, that scene, I think it's
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the dinner date right where she freaks out in him
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at the table.
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And she's lying about d Yeah, lying about her dad
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and everything.
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Yeah, so he's got her on that, and then he
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also is just obvious evidence of like something is very,
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very bad, and it's because of the wish that I made,
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because up to that point, yeah, there's enough ambiguity with
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his situation where you know, and this is what I
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love about the world building of this movie, which is
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it takes place ostensibly in our real world, but it's
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also a world where this company One Wish Willow exists
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or existed, because they make a point in the shop,
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the magic Shop, where he gets the one Wish Willow. Oh,
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this is like a replica of like those things from
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the eighties that like used to be popular. Now they're
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not anymore. Yeah, but clearly the company is still around,
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you know, because helpline Yeah, call that help Yeah, and
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somebody is there exactly, Yeah, some.
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Very unenthusiastic person who doesn't give a shit about your problems.
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It was played by Curry Barker himself, which is a
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nice stress.
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But Andy Richter popped up, I thought that was hilarious.
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Yeah, this is a last year, and this year we're
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getting the cast of Late Night with Conan O'Brien in
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Uncomfortable Movies between Codin and If I had legs on
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kick You and Andy.
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And this something weird with that. That day we had
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gone and looked at houses, and a house that we
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are probably putting an off her on had a second
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bathroom in the basement that they didn't have listed on there.
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And I've always wanted a claw foot tub, and in
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this second basement bathroom was a toilet a sink and
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a claw foot tub and guess whose name was inside
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the tub. So then later that night we went and
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saw this movie and Andy Richter the music shop that
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we were talking about from Wayne's world that they all
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work at. The it's called Castles and it is spelled
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exactly like my maiden name except for my main and
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last name, except for the apostrophe, because mine's actually c
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A S S E L l S. So this was
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C A S S E L L apostrophe s like
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castles that move my mind. I was like, this is
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a very strange day. I believe in signs and shit
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and things like that. So it was just it was,
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it was. It was a little shocking to see. I
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was like, iky, like, I know what your last name is.
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If anyone would know, he would know. Yeah, No, there's
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there's something there. There's a little bit of magic to
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this movie. There's a little bit of that eerie, you know,
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sort of uncanniness. Uncandy I think is the best word too,
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because yeah, that really goes with like just the way
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that things that are rolling down and her whole behavior
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and her look as it deteriorates, and you know, because
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it doesn't it never goes to an obvious part point
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rather of you know, oh, she's ripping her skin off
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or you know, she's turning into a demon or like,
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you know, nothing like obvious like that.
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It's just it's just slightly like weird. All, yeah, it's.
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Subtle because she kind of is so I kind of
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want to start at the first scene.
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So we we Well, I was gonna just come to
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go back to the point I never finished making about
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Bear and like the the his troductory of his character.
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So as I said, I watched this twice now, and
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I think that I feel about this the way that
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I feel about Frankenstein, you know, as in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein,
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just the general Frankenstein story in her novel, but also
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of course lots of the adaptations, which is that it
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definitely is part of the text that Frankenstein is not
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a good person. Like it it like, you know, you're
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not supposed to like sympathize and be like Fegenstein did
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everything right, like as you use the one who's the
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victim here where it's like he's you know, the creature
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was really mean to him, like all that shit, like no,
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and you know, del Toro's movie made that pretty damn
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obvious too, which is it feels like the same, the
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same debate. But I think what's so interesting about Obsession
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as a movie is that although it has these themes
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of you know, coercion, sexual assault, uh, manipulation, uh, you know, toxicity, whatever,
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blah blah blah, I do think that at its core
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it is a movie about how damaging miscommunication is and
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can be, because really, nobody, no character in this movie
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goes into it with ill intention.
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You know, no one's trying to manipulate. No one's trying
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to you know.
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The friend is well the friend, the friend.
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We'll get to that.
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But like, I think that ultimately it's because of all
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these mistakes that everybody in this group is making, but
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especially Bear, you know, that they get in over their
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head and then he keeps making these bad choices where
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it's like, Okay, at this point, you should have become
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a better person and you didn't, and that you're gonna
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you're gonna.
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Get what you get.
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But yeah, I think it's a tenant of the be
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careful what you wish for story, which was one of
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the tropes that we mentioned at the beginning of Like
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there's been millions of these stories throughout the years. Is
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that typically the transgression, which we talked about a lot
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a lot on the show is you know, not thinking
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through what it is you're wishing for, you know, and
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just being very blase and very selfish.
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And well, no one would ever think that that would work.
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And no one would think that it worked.
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I couldn't imagine. And I think they did that scene
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so well.
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So so going to the first scene, because I think
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the first scene is so important.
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It is important. So we a bear, He's sitting and
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he's professing his love to what we think is a
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girl he's into blah blah, blah blah. And we find
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out that it is just the way just that the
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diner and his friend is kind of Ryan. Ian is
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kind Ian is kind of coaching him through, like what
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to say to this to Nicky, and they all hit Ryan, Sarah,
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Nicky and they're all work at Caso Sarah's dad's.
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Music chep. Yeah.
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And I was a little confused in the beginning as well,
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because I thought that Ian and Sarah were a couple.
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They they didn't show me enough in the first couple
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of scenes that those two weren't a couple for me
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to be picking up on that that Sarah kind of
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liked Ian or Ryan or Bear. I'm sorry, I don't
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know why I'm messing this up so bad. So so
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Bear goes home and this is where things start to
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get a little weird for me, because his cat has
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overdosed itself and ate ate his pills. But my thing
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about that was where the where did the cat? Where
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did those pills? The pills are away in the bathroom,
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we see them. I knew that they were going to
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come back later. This cat. The pills are just on
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the floor and the cat ate them.
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I don't understand that the pills right, So the pills
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were Bear's grandmother's because Bear's actually in a grandmother's room
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or sorry wows, and the grandmother's already passed, you know,
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fairly recently, it assumes. So like when he puts the
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pills back in the medicine cabinet, it shows that, like
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the medicine cabinet can't close all the way, so the
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gut jumped up on a sake and fell, And yeah,
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he's somehow the cat got in there, right, But even that,
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there's enough like oddity to it, like you're describing where
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it's like it's it's bizarre, like it's like, okay, how
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did it happen?
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Very bizarre? Yeah, Also he played the whole thing like
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I feel like if I had this wish, I'd be
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able to control that, I'd be able to control Harridly,
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he didn't even try. But that's where we got because
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he is awkward, he's lonely, he's emotional, like disconnected from
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the people he's around. He just spends most of his
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time like fantasizing about Nikki, like his friends are kind
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of over it. And yeah, he gets the thing. He's
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like rare enough to ask her out, you know. The
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friend in is like, don't do it, don't do it,
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don't do it. We'll find out why he's saying that later.
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He just likes his little group to stay exactly how
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it is is when it seems so, he's like dig
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your girlfriend home, and Nikki kind of freaks out about it.
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She's like, you don't say it like that. So we
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know as the audience that Nicki is not into him
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like that, even though there's such a weird line when
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it comes to male and female.
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So yeah, and so ind has also given interviews, and
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Curry that they intended to make it that Nikki actually
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did kind of like him and was playing very and
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very close.
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I think in the second watch, like the subtleties are
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really there in the sense that in that car on
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the phone, yeah, the phone, like the phone, I'm always
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here for you, like you're the only one I can
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talk to you about these sort of things. And really,
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I think that is why the tragedy of this movie
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works is because Bear is such a fuck up that
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all he had to do was just say what he
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felt to her face.
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You know, I don't know, I kind of have to
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push back on you at that the way that in
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the car scene when she was like.
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Do you like me? No, she no, But that's that's
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exactly like if you would.
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Have like because if you say yes, it's going to
483
00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:47.599
be a problem.
484
00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:48.119
You know.
485
00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:50.559
Again, the ambiguity this movie is that you can look
486
00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.599
at it like a Roshek blood right, it could be
487
00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:54.039
could you go this way, it could go that way,
488
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:56.559
So there's no definitive like this is exactly what would
489
00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:58.240
have happened if he had just confessed. But I feel
490
00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:01.720
like the point is that his lack of of you know,
491
00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.279
balls his lack of of you know, of his wimpiness
492
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.440
and his selfishness and his like, oh I don't want
493
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.640
to have that uncomfortable conversation is you know what leads
494
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:13.480
to just so much awfulness and tragedy and manipulation and
495
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.359
all that, you know, and that he Yeah, it's because
496
00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.240
I'm not saying it would have worked out perfectly where
497
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.599
they would have fallen in love and they would have
498
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.440
you know, had kids. No, I'm just saying like he
499
00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:25.720
is the architect of all of this, just because it
500
00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.160
was too uncomfortable for him to you know, say something,
501
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.000
you know, to say what he felt. And like that's
502
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.079
the irony to me of that opening scene where he's
503
00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.640
giving his heart to somebody he doesn't know, and you
504
00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.400
know that in that person. You watch her reaction, the waitress,
505
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.640
her reaction, the waitress is kind of smitten. The waitresses yeah, way,
506
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:44.400
the waitress is like, oh this is really cute, like
507
00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:45.920
you know, are do you like me? And he's like, no,
508
00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.119
I don't know you, and you know sort of thing
509
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.880
like right, yeah, but like that's and that to me
510
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:51.960
is and of course Ian you know, telling him no, bro,
511
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.680
like you know, girls don't like that shit, you know,
512
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.799
hold the whole nonsense thing putting him on that path,
513
00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.880
that browie mentality of like you know, oh you go
514
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.039
to like call her by this nicking nickname that she
515
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:04.160
hates and all that shit.
516
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:06.400
You know, it's gross.
517
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.920
Yeah, and like he's yeah, well, I mean, might as
518
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.440
well just talk about it now, because we find out
519
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:14.559
that Ian has been sleeping with Nikki, which is another
520
00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:17.920
reason I'm not sure that she's so into into what's
521
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.920
his face because she could have made a move at
522
00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:22.640
any time on him, but she's making a move with
523
00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.039
this guy. And that was so it's to watch it,
524
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.079
to go back and think about all the things that
525
00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.640
Ian was doing with him knowing fully well that he's
526
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.319
sleeping with Nicki on the side, is just that's fucked up.
527
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:34.279
That's not a good friend.
528
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:36.640
No, it's and it's yeah.
529
00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:41.759
His his manipulation of Bear is another element of you know,
530
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.200
the manipulation of these people in their group, their friend group,
531
00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.440
you know of like yeah, and like it's so sad
532
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:50.640
and it's cynical and I love how bitter it is about.
533
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:54.000
Like Ian's motivation is almost completely because of just how
534
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.599
much he likes Trivia night and he wants and he
535
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.480
just wants Trivia Night to stay the same, you know
536
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:00.759
that sort of thing, and it it really is true
537
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.440
that like in so many personal interpersonal friendships, relationships, what
538
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.960
have you throughout the years, but especially it feels like,
539
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.839
you know, with our generations, it is based around like, oh,
540
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.279
I just I have this perfect thing in my head
541
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:15.640
of like how it all is going to go down
542
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:17.519
with me and my friends and my relationships whatever, And
543
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:19.920
as long as it stays exactly that way, then I'm fine.
544
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:22.359
As soon as it koreem's out of that realm that
545
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.200
I'm upset and I'm going to make everybody my problem,
546
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.799
everybody else's problem, you know that sort of shit. And
547
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.000
it's just I love I love that commentary.
548
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:34.480
And I like, you know, having friends who at our age,
549
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:36.519
you know, friends who have gotten divorced, couples of friends
550
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.480
have been together for a long time are broken up.
551
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.200
It's like you do kind of feel like, well, God,
552
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:43.319
I just wish everything could just go back to normal
553
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.880
and everything could be the same like it used to be.
554
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.119
Things used to be so great. And you know you're
555
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:50.160
also kind of a not a victim, but like it
556
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.519
affects your life too, like things are not the same
557
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:55.240
and they'll never be the same. And it's not even
558
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.359
something that directly happened to you. It's just, you know,
559
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.200
it's a self us the kind of thing to feel.
560
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.279
But it is like, well, I just want, you know,
561
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:04.640
Trivia Night to stay the same too.
562
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:05.279
Yeah.
563
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:10.319
Yeah, But we find out that Nicki is quitting the job,
564
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:11.880
and that's kind of why Bear feels like he needs
565
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:13.160
to hurry up. And when he's on the phone with her,
566
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:14.920
she breaks her crystal necklace. So this is why he
567
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.759
goes to the magic shop and that's where he finds
568
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:18.799
the one wish thing. So he's dropping her off. And
569
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:20.680
I thought that this scene was so effective because we
570
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:22.200
see her go into the house and first of all,
571
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.160
all of these people working at this music shop, why
572
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:25.000
does everybody.
573
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:27.720
Every Yeah, it was really upsetting. And that's the weird
574
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.480
thing is I get though, Bear like inherited like this
575
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.519
grandmother's house. We don't know what Nicki's situation is. We
576
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.240
know that there's something weird with her father, which we
577
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.480
never get a full clear picture of, like what that is.
578
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.000
We don't know where her mother is. We don't know
579
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.519
where the mother is. And then Ian and Sarah like
580
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.319
we know even less, like we don't know. I guess
581
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.000
like Sarah must you know, because of her father's shop,
582
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:48.880
like they have like a place or something.
583
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:50.920
Yeah. I think she was living at home because she
584
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.079
was getting ready to try to go to.
585
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:53.160
Art art school.
586
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:53.400
Yeah.
587
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:54.039
Yeah.
588
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:58.279
But so he real quick, you know, after she kind
589
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.319
of what feels to me like she kind of shut
590
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.359
him down. They shut each other down in the car,
591
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.279
he makes the wish real quick, he breaks it, and
592
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:10.839
then you just see Nikki in the back, shrouded in darkness,
593
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.799
just standing on the porch and it is so eerie
594
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.079
and it's so creepy. And then what she runs back
595
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:19.559
and jumps in the car and he's like, what are
596
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:19.960
you doing?
597
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:22.960
Yeah, and it's it's it's beautifully awkward.
598
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.920
And this is really the beginning of like where Indy
599
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.799
as an actress is just playing it so interestingly, where
600
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:30.920
you know, it's partially almost like a robot or an
601
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.279
AI kind of calibrating and figuring out like how it's
602
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.039
going to try and get to its goal. Because her
603
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.559
goal from this point on is I love Bair more
604
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:39.559
than anyone in the fucking world.
605
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:41.000
Wish.
606
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.559
Yeah, And and then it becomes just like a b
607
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:49.039
line towards that and not necessarily in a normal, you know,
608
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.119
mentally healthy way, Like it is just a complete logic,
609
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:59.000
you know, mandate like if you will, And which is
610
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:02.440
why this movie it creeps up on the same themes
611
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.359
as something like Companion, which came out you know, last
612
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.519
year or two years ago or something like that. But
613
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.519
it's it's got all these nuances of like, this is
614
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.720
still a person. You know, they're still human at the
615
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:14.920
core of it. So even if whatever it is that's
616
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.000
possessing them or whatever it is that's motivating them or
617
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:20.359
replaced them or whatnot, it's not necessarily a demon or
618
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:22.839
you know, AI or something we don't know.
619
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.799
Yeah it's the thing, but yeah, like definitely something like.
620
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.440
It's definitely something's there.
621
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.519
And then like yeah, her her sort of you know,
622
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.440
trying to like figure out how to get back either
623
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:35.720
get him into her place or get back with him
624
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:37.960
on his place or something. It's it's really just kind of.
625
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.160
Yeah, he quickly he's like, okay, you can go back
626
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.279
to my place. Yeah, And you know this is you know,
627
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:49.319
the she's more affectionate, she's attentive, she's emotionally attached to bear.
628
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:51.839
He you know, he believes the wish gave him the
629
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.880
relationship he's always wanted. But even in that first scene,
630
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.039
the audience quickly realizes, you know, the way he should
631
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.960
realize that something's wrong because they're kissing, and then real
632
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.000
Nicky pops in and screams and throws herself off the bed.
633
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:05.920
Does she say it's not me?
634
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:07.519
I forget what she said.
635
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.480
She said that a couple of times throughout it, and
636
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.799
he's like, what's wrong? And then he calls Ian and
637
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.519
I don't know how NICKI heard what he was saying.
638
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.160
But the way she the next morning is just very
639
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.480
Manchurian candidate, like, yes, I was on MDNA last night
640
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.480
and that's why I was being so weird. And then
641
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.240
we come out to the kitchen and find that she
642
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.960
has well, he threw his cat in a trash bag,
643
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.119
which I didn't appreciate anyway, if you love an animal
644
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:35.839
like you're not putting your cat in a trash bag
645
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:37.799
and throwing it in the trash. I would never do that.
646
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.119
But she went out into the trash and got this
647
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.400
cat out of the trash and made like a memorial
648
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.240
or on the ground and to the point where he's
649
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.279
just he's not reacting. He was like, this is this
650
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.400
is you can't do that, this is wrong. Bag girl,
651
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.400
back girl. I was like, what are you doing?
652
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:54.279
Yeah?
653
00:29:55.160 --> 00:30:00.640
Well yeah, And I think that Michael john And who
654
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.200
plays Bear, he has a really interesting performance too. I mean,
655
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:08.119
Indie's performance is the is the you know, the star
656
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.839
of the show really and that's why people are already
657
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.400
talking about perhaps you know, even awards consideration down the line.
658
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.599
But I feel like Michael's thread is interesting in the
659
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:23.039
way that he plays Bears like semi like naive and
660
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.799
also just you know, a real, you know, selfish jerk.
661
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:31.799
But yeah, it's that it's that vibe of like, I
662
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.440
like everything that's happening, but at the same time, there's
663
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.160
this parts of it that I don't like, and I'm
664
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.599
just gonna deny, deny, deny that, like that's bad and
665
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.400
I'm gonna just say, oh, well, if I just say this,
666
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.160
or if I just don't do this, or if I
667
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.359
do this or whatever, maybe it'll go away.
668
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.400
It'll be fine, you know sort of thing. Yeah, it's
669
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:46.880
not true.
670
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.039
Yeah, because we have this little montage of everything.
671
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.079
Being like great, being great for a little bit yeah.
672
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.160
They sing, and that's where we get the sex scene
673
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.680
where and that's when we see that it's not great
674
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:01.119
because she is blank faced, looking up and just and like, oh, oh,
675
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.599
you know, it's very performative. She's not into it, and
676
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.240
you're like, you, son of a bitch, you know that
677
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.920
this is wrong, and you're doing it anyway. And this
678
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.440
is where he kind of starts to get what he
679
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.599
deserves because she the love slowly starts to turn into
680
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.559
obsession hence the title of the movie, and her personality
681
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.160
starts to become very unpredictable, like she's screaming at restaurants.
682
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.759
It's very extreme, and she grows paranoid about losing bear
683
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:28.319
to anybody and begins viewing anyone around them as a
684
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.400
threat to their relationship. She doesn't want him to even
685
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.960
leave the house, and you know, she starts to isolate
686
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:39.440
him emotionally, and she's starting to get violent and fucking weird.
687
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.400
One of the best scenes is when she's standing in
688
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.160
the corner. He wakes up. She's not in bed, and
689
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.799
she's she's just you hardly see her, yeah, And she's
690
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.200
in the corner, and even with the minimum amount of
691
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.200
makeup going on, you can tell that her features are changed. Yeah,
692
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.400
and she's like, she's like, hey, I'm just in the
693
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.920
corner watching you sleep. And he's like what the fuck?
694
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.680
And she her voice starts to change. She's like, just
695
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:06.799
stay in bed. You know.
696
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:08.079
I was like, oh my god.
697
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.640
And that's where we start to kind of blur the
698
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.920
lines between supernatural possession and psychological like corruption of this person,
699
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:20.200
because she still remembers or resembles herself physically, but emotionally
700
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.920
she is unrecognizable. You know this, she she's talking like
701
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.519
this now like Stepford, like Garry Stepford. She's just not herself.
702
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.880
And you know, he is just ignoring all of these
703
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.839
warning signs, like he has to go to work one
704
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.680
day and she's not going, and you know, she's like
705
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:37.440
not having She's like, well, I can convisit you. I
706
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.079
could do this, I could do that. I made you lunch.
707
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.960
And then he turns to leave with his little lunch
708
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.680
box and she has used like seven or eight rolls
709
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.720
of duct tape on the front door. He doesn't even
710
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.640
say anything about it. Also, he opens the door very easily.
711
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.240
But but there's a line of dialogue in there because
712
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:55.920
the score is going at the time, so you can't
713
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:57.640
quite hear it the first time, but she says something
714
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.920
of the lines of like, well, if you can't leave,
715
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.759
maybe you should stay home or something.
716
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.039
It's it's really beautifully creepy.
717
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.400
And I think that, yeah, what you're describing is something
718
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.960
that's just so special about the movie, but also her
719
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.359
character and her performance, which is that we've seen obviously
720
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.720
tons of demonic possession movies, you know, you and I
721
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.599
talk about them all the time. We've seen a good
722
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:24.720
handful of you know, human or humanoid, android robot, you know,
723
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.839
whether it's in sci fi movies or horror movies or both.
724
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.960
You know, ash from alien even like, you know, freaking
725
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.000
out and just sort of forgetting how to be human
726
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.359
for a second too long and then they lose everything
727
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.599
and they freak out and flail around and all that.
728
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.960
And Nicky is kind of, you know, hinting at both
729
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.880
of those things. But that's also neither. And I think
730
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:46.680
that it's the neither that's so interesting to me, in
731
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.839
the sense that it's an idea, a concept and a
732
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.960
performance that's coming at it from a very interesting existential
733
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.000
horror place, you know, because it's not it's not so
734
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.640
easy as okay, it's a demon or oh okay, it's
735
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.720
a bad programming or something you know well.
736
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:03.759
And then his denial is kind of what becomes the
737
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.559
central part of the horror of the movie, and that's
738
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.559
where you start to realize that, oh, you know, Bear
739
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.760
is not he's not a victim. Like at first, you know,
740
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.559
we were saying you're encouraged to sympathize with him because
741
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.000
he appears shy and harmless, and as the story unfolds,
742
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:23.079
it becomes very clear that his inability to accept rejection
743
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:25.840
is what creates this entire nightmare. And I kind of
744
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.599
feel like everybody can associate with that. We all had
745
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.199
somebody that if we, you know, had this little snap thing,
746
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.480
you know, I'd be like, Chris Evans is in love
747
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:34.679
with me?
748
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:35.679
Step you know what I mean?
749
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.599
We would probably most I would say ninety nine percent
750
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:40.360
of the people would do it.
751
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.199
Yeah, yeah, And you know, going back to the car scene,
752
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:44.639
I think one of the reasons that scene is so
753
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.239
well played and so well ridden is that it really
754
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.039
does capture that feeling of like these two and I
755
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.360
do think it's both of them. These people have something
756
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.159
to say to each other, but they're not doing it,
757
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:57.760
you know, and it's like whatever, it is, like they
758
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.480
can't put their cards on the table because of either
759
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.480
it's a fear of rejection or a fear of freaking
760
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.280
someone else out, or fear of hurting someone's feelings or whatever,
761
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.480
losing your friends, losing friends, whatever, and it's it's it's
762
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.639
just that feeling of like we as a as a generation,
763
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.239
as society, or you know, however long you want to
764
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.760
extend this metaphor or this observation, we have such a
765
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.719
problem communicating with each other about what it is we're feeling.
766
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.559
And it's only gotten worse, you know, and obviously like
767
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.239
everything to do with social media and you know, cringe
768
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.320
and you know, posting stories, you know, in line about
769
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.639
I just went on this date and this person acted
770
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.880
so weird, or I just went on this hangout and
771
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.440
this person was being so weird or whatever. People are
772
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:44.280
all afraid of that, you know, and and it's causes
773
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.000
real harm, you know.
774
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.159
Well, and that's why you know, Baron never physically forces
775
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:54.800
Nikki into the relationship, but the he removes her emotional
776
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.840
free will in thing, and that sometimes, you know, like
777
00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.559
I could see a lot of people being like that
778
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.800
sounds great. You know, a lot of in cells or
779
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:03.760
a lot of gross people. And the film treats that
780
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.599
loss of autonomy as very like it's very disturbing to
781
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.719
actually see it because even in your mind sometimes you're like, well,
782
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.400
you know, I could control them. They never want to
783
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.639
leave me, so it's great. They're gonna do everything they want.
784
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.800
We're gonna watch every movie I want to watch, you know,
785
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.599
like we're gonna do all the things that I want
786
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.360
to do. And I do feel like in long term
787
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.159
relationships sometimes that can happen, you know, and then you
788
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.639
have to you know, talk with your partner and like
789
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.719
work it out, because I mean, I you know, I
790
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.719
had lost someone in high school to a car accident,
791
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.239
and I am very panicky still to this. I was
792
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.599
much worse about it when Ken and I kind of
793
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.239
were first dating, Like if he was driving anywhere, I'd
794
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:44.840
want him to like text me when you get there,
795
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:46.719
text me when you home, And if he didn't, I
796
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.960
would call. I'd freak out. I call whoever he was
797
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.800
with to be like is he okay? And you know,
798
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.760
we finally had to have the discussion about it, like,
799
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.519
you know, like if it's going to happen. It's going
800
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:58.280
to happen. I have to you know, I can't. So
801
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.559
even I mean we still tell like every time I
802
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.400
go somewhere and arm leaving, we text, we you know,
803
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.599
do it. But I try not to be obsessive about
804
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.400
it and immediately go to like the worst possible scenario.
805
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.400
But I mean it's scary out there, you know, driving
806
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.119
on the highways. Other people are crazy. You know, we
807
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.800
just watched that documentary or the crash and that chick
808
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.199
drove that car into the building one hundred miles an hour.
809
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.760
Like it's not just you you have to worry about.
810
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.920
You have to worry about everybody else around you. It
811
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.320
could be a possible threat. And you know, if you
812
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.639
really start to think about it, you can drive yourself
813
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:29.960
in crazy, which is I did, you know. So it
814
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:31.679
took me a while to kind of get over that,
815
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.519
but I understood that kind of feeling, and I was
816
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.639
just like, ugh, you know, you look back and you're
817
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.760
like I was a little clay. Yeah.
818
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:41.920
I know.
819
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.079
Everybody's got their their you know, uh, desires, as well
820
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.760
as their insecurities as well as their triggers, and you know,
821
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.719
people are are messes, you know, there's no way around it.
822
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.400
Like people are our product of their environments and their
823
00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:00.480
history and they're you know what have you And it's
824
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.599
a beautiful thing and it's a horrible thing all at once,
825
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:06.119
you know, like some people, you know can succumb to that,
826
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.039
and some people can rise above it, and some people
827
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.000
can learn to live with it, and you know, like
828
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.239
you have and and sort of get around it in
829
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.039
different ways. And it all takes you know, honesty, it
830
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.760
all takes communication, and it's not easy. It's hard, and
831
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:21.440
you know, to your point that you were mentioning a
832
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.880
second ago. I think that Bear would probably enjoy if
833
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.559
he had the ability to control Nikki in a way
834
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.159
of like you know, hey, you're doing this weird thing,
835
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.000
so stop it, and then she just stops doing it.
836
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.039
But that's not the case, Like here is the punishment
837
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.800
is like he can't control her, Like there's you know,
838
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.920
he's getting what he wished for, but that's it, and
839
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.039
like there's no beyond that. He does not have a
840
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.400
further it's not a robot where he can be like okay,
841
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.280
actually and command you know sort of thing, like he
842
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.559
can't you know, stop it once it started. And I
843
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:55.360
love too, how this movie is latently commenting on it
844
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.000
wasn't ever like a huge I don't think like a
845
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:03.519
big trope because it's always moved around between men and
846
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:06.320
women and then women versus women, like the Lifetime movie
847
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.079
or the Eurotic thriller. I'm thinking specifically of Fatal Attraction
848
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.000
or you know, something like that, where it's like in
849
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.639
that movie, you know, the female character is coded as like, oh, yeah,
850
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.840
she's just legitimately insane and like Michael Douglass like probably
851
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:20.960
shouldn't have slept with her, but you know, at a
852
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.480
certain point, like she's gone beyond the pale and like
853
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.559
he is being victimized whatever, And I liked this movie
854
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:29.639
is flipping that in his head and being like you know,
855
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.280
to anyone else. And in fact, the party scene is
856
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.920
great for that too, where to Sarah to Ian to
857
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.039
everybody else at that party scene, they're looking at Bear like, oh, buddy,
858
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:39.960
like you know, you're you're in trouble, like you know,
859
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.079
she's bad news, and then it's only we know, like Will,
860
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:45.880
it's his fault.
861
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.039
Yeah, the friends were kind of pissing me off because
862
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.280
it just shows how shitty they kind of are, even
863
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.800
like Sarah you know them, you're friends with them, You're
864
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:56.760
this whole group friend thing. And then Ian's like, oh,
865
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.159
I'm having a party. I don't want you to bring
866
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.199
her because your relationship is weird, hiding from him that
867
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.559
it's weird to me because I've been sleeping with the
868
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.440
girl that you're crossing on and Sarah knows about it,
869
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:10.000
and everybody's kind of being shitty to Nicky for no reason.
870
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.760
I didn't think that that was very fair. Everybody's like,
871
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.239
you need to get away from her this, and then
872
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.599
I'm like, what where did everybody turn on NICKI? You know,
873
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.159
and they haven't even really been around the two of
874
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.199
them because they've been so isolated at home. Yeah, and
875
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.159
that's another big theme to this is I'm going to
876
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:27.800
say themes a lot because this movie has so many
877
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:33.119
using somebody else to fix your emotionally insecure and desperation
878
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.840
to like connect and think that, oh I need to
879
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.119
be with this person because not only are they gonna
880
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.320
take away my loneliness, but the dissatisfaction I have with
881
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.599
my life is going to completely disappear. And that is
882
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.400
so toxic and unhealthy, Like if you you know, think
883
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.400
that just oh if I just date this person, my
884
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:51.719
whole world will be better because they're going to make
885
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.639
it better. Then it's never going to work out because
886
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.000
you cannot do that and you cannot put that on somebody,
887
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.559
and it's confusing love with possession and validation.
888
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.760
Well, compare Nikki in the car talking about she has
889
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.960
this idea for being a writer. She's working on this
890
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.880
novel and she's got these plans for her future, compared
891
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:11.519
to Sarah with her art school. And then Bear, you know,
892
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.880
when he's asked point blake by possessed Nikki, like what
893
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:14.480
do you want to be?
894
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:15.920
He's like, I don't know, food critic.
895
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.000
Like he doesn't, Oh my god, he doesn't have any passion,
896
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.440
he doesn't have a calling, he doesn't have he's he's
897
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:26.760
somebody that you know has a blank slate for an interiority.
898
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.360
You know, Yeah, that's that's exactly a food critic. So
899
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.079
let's talk about that scene because I think that that
900
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.239
was honestly the craziest scene. There's a lot of crazy stuff,
901
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.480
but nothing. I yelled out loud, my girlfriend and I
902
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.960
yelled out loud in the theater because we figured it
903
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.280
out I think before other people did. Uh huh, and
904
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:48.000
we were like, eh, oh my god, Oh my god.
905
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.639
So he goes out the duct tape he made, you know,
906
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:53.679
she's like, I packed it your lunch. And he's sitting
907
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:55.840
with Sarah and there's like flirting going on, and that's
908
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:57.599
the first time I'm like, oh, this took us into you.
909
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.400
Sarah likes Bear and you know, she's you know, talk
910
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.039
with him. And there's a post it in the food.
911
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:08.599
So he takes the sandwich out, which immediately I was like,
912
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.519
what is that like roast beef? Is it chuck a stay?
913
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:12.880
I don't know.
914
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.480
So he bites the sandwich and then she's like what
915
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:21.599
does this mean? And the post it says, what's the verdict? Cat?
916
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.360
And that's when he realizes that crazy bitch got the
917
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.159
cat out of the trash can again. I guess cooked
918
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.639
it the sandwich for him to Hopefully he starts pukin, pukin.
919
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.079
Everybody's pukin. The whole theater is gagging. I was so
920
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.519
grossed out by that, so effective, so well done. I
921
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.679
love like that's what I like. The movie was not
922
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.400
afraid to go there. You know. He comes back to
923
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.000
like freak out at her, and we find out that
924
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.599
she hasn't moved from one spot, if it would look
925
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.960
very similar to that Evil Dead This the remake where
926
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.760
the girl was being herself in the bathroom. She has
927
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.800
puked all over herself, which why are you puking on yourself?
928
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.639
She shit herself and she is pissed all over herself,
929
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.000
and she is she it seems like she's in a
930
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.159
trance until he walks back in the door, because then
931
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:15.280
she's like, oh, oh, I look really gross, Stone, I'll
932
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.400
get a shower, and he's like so she goes in
933
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.239
the shower. He's like, Ian's having a boys night tonight
934
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:25.039
and I think I'm gonna She's like no, and he's like, okay,
935
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.440
maybe you can come. The way she kept doing that
936
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:29.840
to him, like when he was in bed and he
937
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.559
tried to leave.
938
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:31.400
And she was like nah.
939
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.519
And the fact that we're laughing at this, like I know,
940
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.840
there's been comfortable, there's been people. I mean, like I said,
941
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.280
this movie's broken containment. So like all the normies are
942
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.519
discussing it now, in the addition to the horror fans,
943
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.599
So there's people that like don't get why people are
944
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:48.960
laughing at certain scenes and I'm not at these theaters
945
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:50.800
so I can't say like whether it's appropriate or not,
946
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:52.559
but I will say that there's a lot of this
947
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.119
movie that is intended to be darkly funny.
948
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.280
You know, well most people, when you're scared or uncomfortable,
949
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:01.559
you laugh, yes reaction. It's just what you're gonna do
950
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:03.159
because you're like, oh my god, this is fucked up,
951
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.840
you know, because like when she's in the corner, she
952
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.760
starts doing this weird backwards walking thing that I think
953
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.360
was very effective, that was very creepy, and it still
954
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:12.880
made me laugh.
955
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:14.559
Yeah, like what is she doing?
956
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.760
Well, And again to our earlier point, where like, this
957
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:20.320
movie is playing with a lot of familiar themes and ideas,
958
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.880
but at the same time, it's not doing it in
959
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.880
a familiar fashion. You're generally, as an audience member, on
960
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:29.000
the back foot the entire time, not being able to predict.
961
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:29.559
You know.
962
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:31.360
It's not a slasher movie where it's like, Okay, well
963
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:32.800
they have a knife and they're gonna come around from
964
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.719
the corner, they're gonna come through the wall, they're gonna
965
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.119
come through the couch, whatever. Like you can't predict that
966
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:38.960
even for yourself in your own mind, because you just
967
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.280
don't know what's gonna what she's gonna do next.
968
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.599
Exactly, and so like he's having trouble sleeping because he's
969
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.440
always worried, like what's this crazy girl? What is she
970
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.920
going to do? But at the same time, like it's
971
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.440
it presents him as tragic, but he is also responsible
972
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.199
for the horror that's happening around him. So I, by
973
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.519
the like by the party, I no longer had any
974
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:02.119
sympathy for him. You know, they're playing this drinking Jenga game,
975
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.480
which I thought was interesting and I love the ambiguity
976
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:08.360
because we don't see what her Jenga thing says. But
977
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.800
this chick gets up and does this very weird monologue.
978
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.159
Like I wasn't sure if that was something she wrote.
979
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:17.440
It was insestuous, it was weird, she did it with
980
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.320
this weird voice, and then she just like when she
981
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.000
was done. I honestly wanted to be like that was crazy, Wow,
982
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.039
great job, but everybody's completely freaked out and she just
983
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.920
sits down. Nobody even says anything really, They're just like wow, Nikki, okay,
984
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:35.800
And then it's Bear's turn and he pulls and his
985
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.199
Jena thing says, kiss the person to your left. I
986
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:45.239
loved this scene, she does the Florence pew frown. She's
987
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.239
meeping her face off. She gets up, she walks around
988
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:53.360
and like her and Sarah are friends. Friends. She drags
989
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.639
this chick in the chair backwards out of the way,
990
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:00.000
meeps over to him.
991
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.880
And then puck hers up.
992
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.360
Yeah fucking like look a cartoon car. Yeah, like yeah,
993
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.639
So they're kissing. And then this is one of the
994
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:12.320
scariest scenes because this is where Nicki pops real Nicki
995
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.400
pops in for a second and she starts screaming, it's
996
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.920
not me, it's not me, throws herself over the table,
997
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.199
grabs a bottle and stabs herself in the face like
998
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.239
three times two, which I I'm not going to harp
999
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.000
on this, but there's no way she was going to
1000
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.719
be like she was okay after that. Yeah, Like her
1001
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.039
face wasn't like not her face wasn't swollen enough. I
1002
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:32.920
was like, you are not okay, but she she was,
1003
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.480
you know, went to the hospital or whatever, but you know.
1004
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.119
She's There's an interesting moment at that hospital scene, which
1005
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:40.719
isn't really a scene. It's kind of more just a
1006
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.760
shot where Bear is trying to talk to like I
1007
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.119
guess a nurse or someone at the door, and like
1008
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.599
the nurse won't admit them in. And I wonder because
1009
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.440
we don't get dialogue during this moment, and I wonder
1010
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.960
if it's because Nicki is acting like really high and drunk,
1011
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:57.960
you know at that point, and maybe the nurse is like, look,
1012
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.519
it's just because your girlfriend is like, you know, zouited
1013
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.119
off her ass, Like you got to just like let
1014
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.519
her calm down or something. Maybe that's what she's trying
1015
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.079
to say to him, But it is an awkward moment
1016
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.039
of like, why wouldn't they let her go into the
1017
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:08.920
er sort of thing?
1018
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.519
You know? Yeah that was weird. Yeah, yeah, so they
1019
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.960
just they just go home. Yeah, and yeah, I mean
1020
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.760
that the tragedy of it is that, you know, it's
1021
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:23.280
it's not entirely along with not knowing how to get
1022
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.000
out of it, because he does call the place. He's like,
1023
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:26.880
I need to shut this down, and they're like, oh, well,
1024
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:28.440
you have to kill yourself. That's the only way. As
1025
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.400
long as you're alive, nothing's gonna you know, it's not
1026
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:33.000
going to stop.
1027
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.199
Yeah, and we're just like, oh my god.
1028
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.440
So like the supernatural influences amplifies the attachment until it
1029
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:43.760
kind of destroys her own sense of self. But she's
1030
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.639
in there, and there's this one scene I guess was
1031
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:48.599
it on the phone that really, do you want to
1032
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:48.960
talk to you?
1033
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:49.840
Do you want to talk to her?
1034
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.800
And she is just screaming and screaming and screaming. And
1035
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.760
then there's a scene where Nicky's asleep because it was
1036
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.840
after the face stab, and real Nicky's like, hey, bear,
1037
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.480
you need to kill me, you need to do it now,
1038
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.599
while she's still asleep, and that blew my mind. That Yeah,
1039
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:10.639
Like that's when I was like, oh my god, what
1040
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.159
is this? What is possessing her? There's something and it's
1041
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.639
not it's not her, yea, because that would be a
1042
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.119
completely different thing if it was step Party. And it
1043
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:22.079
is her. It's just her being manipulated and changed, you know,
1044
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.639
and slowly deteriorating and becoming this thing without emotions. But
1045
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.519
the fact that real her is fully aware of what's happening,
1046
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.760
watching it all from the inside, screaming and can't deal
1047
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.400
with any of that. Oh, and that would make you
1048
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.119
hate him, hate him so much.
1049
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.119
And honestly, my read on that is it's both.
1050
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.920
I think that the possessed Nikki isn't necessarily a complete
1051
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.920
fabrication of the wish. I think it's taking things from
1052
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.239
her and then twisting them. But at the same time,
1053
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.119
the real Nicky is still there. It's just that she's
1054
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.239
lost her you know, agency and autonomy.
1055
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.639
But like the whole story about her dad, there's no
1056
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.360
reasoning even all that, yeah, because Ian's like, she hates
1057
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:01.760
her dad. She wouldn't talk to him, and she's like,
1058
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:03.840
oh my dad and I are close again, and he's
1059
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:05.800
got cancer and blah blah blah blahlah. And he calls
1060
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.880
her on it, right and he's like, why did you
1061
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.239
Why are you lying about that? And then she melts
1062
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.440
down at the restaurant and he's like never mind, never mind,
1063
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.119
never mind. Yeah, yeah, And that's why her on her
1064
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.599
unpredictability kind of creates that constant tension because neither Bear
1065
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.039
or us kind of know how far she's willing to go.
1066
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.719
And we we get there, we.
1067
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.159
Get there, we get there, we sure get there. We
1068
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.039
should get there now, I think, yeah, poor Sarah.
1069
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.480
So Sarah's kind of the voice of reason within the story.
1070
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:34.840
She's like, this was a big mistake. She calls him
1071
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.960
it's two am. That's where like they're sleeping, and NICKI
1072
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.400
was like, you need to kill me. Sarah's like, meet
1073
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:41.960
me at the park. I got to talk to you.
1074
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:43.519
It's two am. We got things to talk about. So
1075
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.480
he does, which I thought was very irresponsible because you're like,
1076
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:49.320
oh no, this is not going to go well. And
1077
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.920
she's like, listen, you and Nikki, this is messed up.
1078
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.360
Whatever's going on is messed up. She's sleeping with Ian.
1079
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.760
I also got my like college thing, let's open it together,
1080
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.239
and I was like this, this conversation is all over
1081
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.480
the place, but yeah, this and then you kind of
1082
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.239
see it from far away, something out of the corner
1083
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:11.559
of your eye, and yeah, Nikki rushes the car, smashes
1084
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:15.239
the window with the brick, and then proceeds to smash
1085
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:18.400
Sarah's face into the brick against the steering wheel so
1086
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.360
many times that she kind of looked like, kind of
1087
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.719
remind me of the Hannibal movie.
1088
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.639
You know what's yeah something, Yeah, yeah, Jerry Oldman, Yeah,
1089
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:28.719
oh my god.
1090
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.239
And it was so devastating. He just felt so bad
1091
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.639
for Sarah, and and Bear just sat there and was like,
1092
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:35.960
oh my god, oh my got oh.
1093
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.599
The story about that is that when the movie premiered
1094
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.400
in its original cut a tiff last year, it was
1095
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:46.519
several more head smashes, and the MPAA made Curry take
1096
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:48.920
out a couple before he got n C seven.
1097
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.199
I heard that there's an NC seventeen cut of this
1098
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.119
he wants to release because he didn't get to see
1099
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:53.440
a lot of it.
1100
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.199
When I spoke to Curry for Slash Film, he said
1101
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.719
he wants to do a director's cut. There's apparently more scenes.
1102
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.320
There's another monologue in the car. I think he means
1103
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.599
the first car scene with Niki, but he could also
1104
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:08.639
mean the Sarah one, and and that there's more head smashes,
1105
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.559
you know, and everything like that, So I think it's
1106
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:11.079
gonna happen.
1107
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.239
She played it so well. After she's like, hey, babe,
1108
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.519
it's okay, it's okay. We got to get rid of
1109
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.199
her body. This is your fault.
1110
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.960
Yeah yeah, yeah, And that's when like possess, even possessed
1111
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.760
Niki starts to become. She still loves Bear, she's still
1112
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.440
devoted to him, but she's more antagonistic to him, where
1113
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.679
it's just sort of like, look, you're not doing what
1114
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:34.960
I want, and so now I'm gonna make you you
1115
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:35.639
know sort of thing.
1116
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.800
Yeah, so and then I turned like that's when it flips,
1117
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.119
because it's like, who's the one who's actually in control here?
1118
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.199
And that's where our bear went wrong. And I mean,
1119
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:43.719
this is not a good person thing to say, but
1120
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.280
like you have to work with what you got, and
1121
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.239
he was not. He was too timid, too mild to
1122
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.000
everything to control.
1123
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:53.800
What he the spell what he done, yeah, yeah, yeah,
1124
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:54.199
oh yeah.
1125
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.639
And that's when he you know, he does the sort
1126
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:02.239
of classic protagonist of a of a horror movie thing
1127
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:04.000
of like I've been I'm in over my head and
1128
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.599
but I can fix it all if I just, you know,
1129
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:08.880
can I make another wish? And like it turns out no,
1130
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.280
the rules are there. It's very plain, like only at
1131
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.719
one so he's yelling at the other shop proprietor. That
1132
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.280
scene is so fucking funny. I love that, just like
1133
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.119
we don't have anymore just kidding, I'm fucking with the
1134
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:27.239
other right there, you know. And and the fact that like, okay,
1135
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.519
so there is maybe a loophole if he gets someone
1136
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.280
else to use their one wish to counteract, you know,
1137
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.440
the wish that he's already made. So he gets this
1138
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:36.400
great idea like okay, I'll get Ian to do it
1139
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.840
right and and runs over to Ian's house and tries
1140
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:41.719
to explain himself to her to him and like he
1141
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:42.639
doesn't buy any of this.
1142
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.559
Sarah covered in Sarah's blood.
1143
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.920
The entire time, the entire store covered in blood.
1144
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.199
Yep, yep, and uh.
1145
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.320
And Ian of course thinks it's bullshit and thinks that
1146
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.800
you know, once Bear drops the knowledge like I knew that,
1147
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.880
I know that you were sleeping with Nikki. Like he's like, oh,
1148
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.239
that's what this is about, and so he thinks is
1149
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.920
just that and then he blan likely breaks the one
1150
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:04.840
wish willow and wishes for a billion dollars and then
1151
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:06.280
billion dollars rains from the guy.
1152
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:09.440
Dude, I was so He's like no, and I was
1153
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:12.119
so excited for him at the same time. And it's
1154
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:16.920
like Ian, he's you know, he's a bad friend. But
1155
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:20.320
at the end, like Ryan and Nicky are allowed to
1156
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.239
have their own agency and relationship outside of Bear's desires,
1157
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:25.840
and that's kind of what it comes down to. You
1158
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.199
don't get to tell, like hiding it is what's wrong.
1159
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:29.760
But at the end of the day, I don't really
1160
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.440
see Ryan as Ryan Ian as the worst character, like
1161
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.400
Bear is the worst. You know, the friendship is emotionally dishonest,
1162
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.360
but you know, Ian is not responsible for Bear's choices.
1163
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.800
And I feel like the film kind of avoids making
1164
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.239
Ian the villain villain, like they could have like this shitty,
1165
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.280
shitty shitty friend yeah, because these people they don't want
1166
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.360
to tell him about the relationship that they're having for
1167
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.239
whatever reason, because he might not emotionally handle it. Well,
1168
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.079
he probably won't be friends with them anymore. It's like
1169
00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.960
something is taking away from.
1170
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.360
But I will say in relationship with them, I will say, yeah,
1171
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.079
I don't think the film is condemning necessarily if anyone
1172
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.920
except Bear, and even Bear, like, it's not so heavy
1173
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.239
handed where it's like, you know, okay, we got a movie.
1174
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:14.480
It's like it's there, it's just there, and they do it.
1175
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:16.719
But I think there's a reason why the movie starts
1176
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.679
with the opening scene that it begins with, And I
1177
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.960
think part of it is whether you want to say
1178
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:23.800
Ian is the real villain or not, which I don't,
1179
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:26.440
you know, think that's appropriate. But the same time, I
1180
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:30.880
think Ian, you could say that he is the part
1181
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.360
of the catalyst that gets the ball rolling really, you know,
1182
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.480
because instead of saying because there's a couple of ways
1183
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:37.920
he could have done it. He could have not revealed
1184
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.000
himself to Bear, and he could have just said, hey, dude,
1185
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:42.320
like she's not into you, don't do it. I wouldn't
1186
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:44.920
recommend this at all. Leave it alone. Go crush on
1187
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.199
someone else, or you know, here's this waitress, go ask
1188
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:48.840
her out or something like whatever. He could have given
1189
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.679
him any other advice. Instead, he thinks it's funny to
1190
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.280
be like, let's let's coach my bestie on like how
1191
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:55.639
to ask this girl out who I know is not
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00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:57.039
going to say yes to him or something, you know.
1193
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:58.639
And it's like, yeah, that's weird.
1194
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.400
And it seems like everybody else knows what's going on.
1195
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.320
So it's like Sarah knew that they were sleeping together.
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00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.039
Did Ian know that Sarah likes Sarah?
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00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:07.559
There?
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00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.639
And why was that never? You know, nobody ever talks
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00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.199
about it or brings the blah blah blah.
1200
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:13.800
Yeah, he could have been like, hey, so I know
1201
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:15.519
you're into Nikki, Like what do you think of Sarah?
1202
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.480
Like it could have been that too, you know. Instead
1203
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.360
Ian is like, no, bro, this is what you gotta do.
1204
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.199
You gotta tell her this, You got to say freaky nicky,
1205
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.280
and you got to do that, and it's like, well,
1206
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:24.679
this may not have happened if you guys had a
1207
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:25.400
different conversation.
1208
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.519
And that also it's control, like him controlling, like love
1209
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.039
versus control is a lot like again, major themes, like
1210
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:35.280
the movie repeatedly questions whether love can exist with with
1211
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.880
like without free choice, and that you know, the film
1212
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.199
ultimately arrives at that answer, which is, I know, no,
1213
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:46.679
it cannot. Once emotion is forced, it becomes ownership rather
1214
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:47.239
than connection.
1215
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:47.559
You know.
1216
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:53.639
It's and that's why Obsession works so well as emotional
1217
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:57.440
horror because unlike you know, traditional monster movies, this beer
1218
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:02.280
builds fear through emotional intent, city and psychological instability, because like,
1219
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.440
what's scarier than not being feeling safe next to the
1220
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.599
person you have to sleep next to mmmmm, And the
1221
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.960
violence feels disturbing physic it grows directly from the emotional
1222
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:14.440
dependency in the manipulation.
1223
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:18.119
Yeah, yeah, that's brilliantly said.
1224
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:20.800
And you know, I think that the ending of this
1225
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:22.840
movie works as well as it does because it really
1226
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:26.800
just brings everything to a crescendo. You know, there's overlapping dialogue.
1227
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:28.480
There's stuff that like I didn't even catch the first
1228
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.519
time watching it through it. I watched it a second
1229
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:32.719
time to even hear some stuff that was being said.
1230
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:35.400
Ian gets shot in the face, like almost as an afterthought,
1231
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.000
you know, immediately immediately too.
1232
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:41.719
So Bear runs out of Ian's after the money's falling
1233
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:43.280
because he's like, you messed this up. He had taken
1234
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.159
two more of the wish things. So he runs back
1235
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.199
to the house. Nicki is doing that weird walk and
1236
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.159
she looks scary. She looks so scary, and she.
1237
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.559
Is dressed like a nightmare version of Sarah. She's wearing
1238
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:57.239
scary stress tattoos.
1239
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.400
Yeah, Sarah's dead body is in the kitchen naked. She
1240
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.119
has taken her dress off, she painted the tattoos on,
1241
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.360
and she did herself all up just like Sarah. Because
1242
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.039
she's like, is this what you want? Is this what
1243
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.000
you want? Ian burst the door. He's like, hey man,
1244
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:13.840
the money's real, and she just blam blows him away,
1245
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.159
and that was shocking. That was very shocking. And then
1246
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:19.159
Bear runs and hides himself in the bathroom and this
1247
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.440
is where he starts to make so this is where
1248
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:26.719
he still doesn't save himself from me. I do not
1249
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.760
have the sympathy for him. Like, so he's in the bathroom,
1250
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.920
she's trying to break the door down. She's like, he
1251
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.159
gets the pills because he knows that he has to
1252
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:36.719
die and none of this is gonna.
1253
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:38.639
Blow his head off.
1254
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:42.880
But he yes, so he grabs the pills and he
1255
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.159
swallows all the pills. And you're like, all right, man,
1256
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.719
that is reasonable. You're gonna just slowly go that's fine.
1257
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:51.239
And then we say that he's too scared to do that,
1258
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:53.320
and he goes to he goes to try to make
1259
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.639
himself puke, and then we just hear off screen a
1260
00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:59.800
snap because Sarah or Sarah Nicky has found the one
1261
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.840
Willow and she did the same spell to him and
1262
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.960
she was like, I want him to love more than anything.
1263
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:05.480
Mm hmm.
1264
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.079
Well, unbeknownst to her, he gets up, he walks out.
1265
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.199
He's like, baby, they're having a moment very Romeo and
1266
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.079
Julie at this scene. Then he starts to immediately overdose.
1267
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:17.880
And he does die in her see And I love
1268
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.199
that moment so much too, because there's a moment of
1269
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.840
that where Curry. It feels like Curry's telling the audience like, oh,
1270
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.920
this is our subversive, dark happy ending where it's like, oh,
1271
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:29.440
they're in love with each other now and it's going
1272
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.559
to be great, Only they're both under this awful spell
1273
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:33.840
and you know, you could have ended it there if
1274
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:35.719
neither of them died, and like it would have been
1275
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:38.239
like a really sick, you know, twisted sort of haha,
1276
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.800
happy ending. But it just goes that next step of like, yeah,
1277
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:42.559
I know he does die because he took those pills,
1278
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:44.159
and then she just.
1279
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:45.960
Kind of like how he had just done, takes the
1280
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.719
gun and she's about to blow her brains out, and
1281
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:52.639
the spells breaks because he dies, and then she just
1282
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:56.960
starts screaming and screaming and screaming, and that's how the
1283
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:58.719
movie ends. Brilliant.
1284
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.679
Okay, it's brilliant now. So, like I said, I've been
1285
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.159
thinking about this movie NonStop ever since I've seen it.
1286
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.000
And one of the thoughts that I had, and sometimes
1287
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.239
they'll have intrusive thoughts, you know, while I'm at home
1288
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.719
doing something else or playing Mortal Kombat or whatever, was Okay.
1289
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.000
One of the great wrinkles of this ending is in
1290
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.079
every other I can't think of another example that's not this.
1291
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:24.440
In every other supernaturally coded movie horror movie where there's
1292
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:30.000
a survivor at the end and a mess of violence
1293
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.960
and bodies and like crimes you know, where it's like
1294
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:36.119
if the police show up, and they probably will, this
1295
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.920
person who survived is screwed because like they're not gonna
1296
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:40.400
be able to explain, oh no, it was the ghost
1297
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:41.840
or oh no, it was the demon, or oh no,
1298
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.039
they're screwed because like it's going to look like they're
1299
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:46.800
a cycle killer and they've done all this stuff, right,
1300
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.400
And in this instance, quote unquote, NICKI has right. So
1301
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.920
I think in a first watch, I was like, oh,
1302
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:55.400
how what a tragic ending, because like the police are
1303
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.400
going to show up, you know, an hour later or whatever,
1304
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.559
and or she's going to go to them and they're
1305
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.119
gonna be like, well, you know, it looks like you
1306
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.000
shot all these people, and you know, like whatever. But
1307
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:09.199
in this universe, one Wish Willow is a is a company,
1308
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.000
and she has the broken one Wisch Willow and the
1309
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.360
box that came in yeah, and you could trace it
1310
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.119
back to the shop that it was bought from, which
1311
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.880
and they have a working telephone number. So like I'm
1312
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:21.760
thinking they're not going to make obsession too, and I
1313
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.599
don't think they should, but no in this way. But
1314
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:26.599
if they did, it would be like the Trial of
1315
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.480
One Wish Willow, you know, where, Yeah, you'd put the
1316
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:33.400
company on trial and then like the joke could be, Okay, well,
1317
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:35.280
you're gonna have to prove to in a court of
1318
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.159
law that this actually works, and so the defense is
1319
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:39.800
going to have to use a one wish Willow against
1320
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:41.440
someone else to show that it works or something.
1321
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.159
Yeah, you know, so it could become that.
1322
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.320
But I love that there's all these wrinkles to this
1323
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.440
this world, in this story, in this movie that just
1324
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.719
takes exactly what we're used to and just twist it
1325
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.280
just enough where it's like, oh, this is different, this
1326
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:56.119
is something that we haven't really felt before.
1327
01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.920
Yeah, And it's just so tragic too, because, I mean,
1328
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.960
she stabbed herself in the face again, but she was
1329
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:04.000
into doing that with the Bibles, and once the obsession
1330
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:07.400
is broken and she, you know, regains her awareness of
1331
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.800
what was happening, and she's the one left us devastated
1332
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:14.280
by the consequences. You know, Bear causes the horror, Nikki
1333
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:18.199
suffers the most from it. Neither character truly escapes emotionally
1334
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.840
or alive. All of your friends are dead.
1335
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:21.559
All the friends are dead.
1336
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.159
All the friends are dead. And yeah, I mean, what
1337
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.800
a way to close out your film. You know, freedom
1338
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.840
becomes something you know, love without freedom becomes something very monstrous,
1339
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:35.320
and a lot of people without the supernatural aspect are
1340
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:38.920
stuck in relationships like this, abusive relationships. You can't get out.
1341
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:42.480
You're in love with somebody, but they have a drinking problem,
1342
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.880
and when they're drunk, they're a completely different person. And
1343
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:47.679
it doesn't even have to be Like my mom was
1344
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:49.880
an alcoholic and when she would drink, it was almost
1345
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.400
like she was possessed. She was a completely different person.
1346
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.920
And then in the morning she wouldn't remember anything that happened. Oh,
1347
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.400
you're making all of that up. I would never do
1348
01:01:57.559 --> 01:01:59.199
or say that, And they make you feel crazy, and
1349
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:05.000
it's just like, yeah, it's very toxic, very manipulative.
1350
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:06.840
And yeah, and it would also say to the larger
1351
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.239
other theme of you know, communication or miscommunication and you know,
1352
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.239
this idea of holding yourself back and you know, there's
1353
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.079
also this element of like creating a different person in
1354
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:19.000
your own mind rather than who they actually are. You know,
1355
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:21.280
not seeing them for their reality, but also just seeing
1356
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.039
them for your own selfish version of whatever they are,
1357
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:26.639
whatever that is to you. And you know, that's another
1358
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:29.599
element of obsession where it's like, you know, we've all
1359
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.599
been trained to act like that via the way that
1360
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:34.760
we're meant to interact these days with the apps and
1361
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:36.719
social media and all that, where it's like, oh, this
1362
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:38.639
person liked my story, or they didn't like my story,
1363
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:40.920
or they watched my story, or they you know, they
1364
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.199
reposted this, or they didn't comment on that. You know,
1365
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:44.679
all this sort of things over like you could really
1366
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:46.920
drive yourself insane if you obsess, if you let yourself
1367
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:50.880
obsess over these little intricacies that you're just building a
1368
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.559
mountain out of something of evidence that doesn't really amount.
1369
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:54.719
To much, you know.
1370
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.000
So yeah, I just feel like it's also been a
1371
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.239
while since a scary movie has been more emotion only
1372
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:05.760
disturbing versus just a traditional scary Yeah, which that because everybody,
1373
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.039
and that's going back to everybody being able to relate
1374
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.199
to this on something level. It doesn't matter who you are.
1375
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:12.880
Yeah, So I was worried when I first saw this.
1376
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:15.440
I thought, oh, this is I mean, amazing and I
1377
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.800
don't know if it's going to connect in a big way,
1378
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:19.440
but I feel like everyone who takes a chance on
1379
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:20.840
it and sees it or is going to like it.
1380
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.840
And boy, you know, like that's exactly what happened. And
1381
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.119
though those people told two friends and they told two friends, yeah,
1382
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:29.360
you know it really it really did become something where
1383
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.920
like you just said, everybody has a way into this,
1384
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:34.079
everybody has a way to relate to it. And I
1385
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:39.639
think it's proof by how successful it's becoming. And uh, yeah,
1386
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:41.880
we've got a new you know, horror guy to watch
1387
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:43.719
in Curry Barker. He's already got his next.
1388
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:44.199
Movie in the can.
1389
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.960
By the way. I've seen his short Yeah, yeah, I
1390
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:48.199
saw that a couple of years ago.
1391
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:49.880
Yeah it was very good.
1392
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.280
Yeah yeah, uh, and yeah, I've seen a bunch of
1393
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.199
his skits, you know, shared online and on TikTok and everything.
1394
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:59.559
And so his next one's called Anything But Ghosts, and
1395
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.920
I guess it's gonna star him and Cooper who plays Ian.
1396
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.719
Yeah, as there was somebody else famous in there that
1397
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:07.400
I was, there's a.
1398
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:10.719
Few, there's well there's Aaron Paul and uh, that's it, okay.
1399
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.719
And then one of the McGrath's sisters. I don't know
1400
01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:17.320
if it's Violet or the other one, but yeah, there's
1401
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.000
a couple of people, Bryce Dallas Howard I think as well. Yeah,
1402
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:23.519
but Parmearly is supposedly it's it's mostly centered around Curry
1403
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:27.719
and Cooper and yeah, they're they're con artist ghost hunters,
1404
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:29.320
and then they may be fine real ghosts.
1405
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:29.639
We'll see.
1406
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:31.960
I was I thought that the two guys from Sean
1407
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.440
and the Dead were supposed to be doing a TV
1408
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:35.440
show or something like that, and then it never came around.
1409
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.719
Oh maybe, yeah, Yeah, but.
1410
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:41.320
I like that promise and I've been hoping that somebody
1411
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:42.719
did it. I feel like they did it a good
1412
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.039
job with that, with the Last Exorcism, Eli.
1413
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:46.599
Roths Oh right, yeah, yeah they did do that.
1414
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:48.039
Yeah, this sounds like it's going to be fun.
1415
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:49.119
That sounds like it's going to be fun.
1416
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:52.000
And then as of now, Curry is supposedly going to
1417
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:54.239
be doing something with Texas chainsawm Askers. So we'll see,
1418
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:58.440
we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Do we have recommendations
1419
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:03.280
you go for some. I'm gonna recommend something that's actually
1420
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:08.079
fairly recent, which is another movie that I feel similar
1421
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:12.280
to Obsession, really upends the conversation in terms of expectation
1422
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.280
versus what you get, and you know, obviously in her
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personal relationships between men and women and control, manipulation, tone,
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you know, all these elements that really make you feel uncomfortable,
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and I think in a good way. But some people
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really didn't like this movie. So you're my Legitamar Varia.
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It's called Strange Darling from JT. Muelner with Kyle Gallner
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and Willa Fitzgerald who also similar to any neverrettin Obsession.
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I think Willa does a really phenomenal job in her
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performance in this movie. And so it's it's done in
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a more obvious, like unusual way, because it's it's split
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into chapters, and like the chapters are out of order chronologically,
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so you have to put together while you're watching it,
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like how it fits together. So there's a little bit
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more of a puzzle box element to it. But but yeah,
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I think it's a really interesting one. I think it
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is in conversation kind of with some of the themes
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of obsession.
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I'm gonna go with.
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Remember that movie May Yeah, oh yeah, that's a good one.
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That Yeah, she's she's pretty obsessive that she is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and Jeremy sister, Yeah, Jeremy sister was like, oh
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I look weird girls, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, she.
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Got the she had a lazy eye and people were
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like shitty to her when she was a kid, and
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then she got like contact lenses and it helped her
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as an adult. And yeah, but there's a lot of
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kind of similar stuff with this, with awkwardness, and you know,
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he's obsessed with her, she's obsessed with everybody, and you know,
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her friends start dumping her and she becomes emotionally unstable
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about that too, and then she gets violent. So yeah,
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I guess that's what two thousand and four three.
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There's somewhere around there. Yeah, No, that's a great quick though.
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I think that's a great also similar to to it's
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two thousand and two. Actually oh wow. Yeah, so it's
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back there, old or old, but yeah, definitely check it out.
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Have to check those out. And uh yeah, we'll where
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obsession ends up. We don't know if we're gonna be
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still talking about it come award season. You know, could
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this be another win for the horror genre in the
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awards season. We'll find out.
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I kind of I don't think so, and I kind
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of wish everybody would. Every time somebody does something that's,
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you know, better than like a good performance, people like
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give them an oscar. I'm like, can we please? Yeah,
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just have a little Oh, we're definitely calm down.
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01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:24.679
We're definitely like writing the coattails of like everyone being
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01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.840
so excited about Amy Madigan winning for weapons.
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Amy Madigan is u doesn't she already have like a
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01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.320
gold like she is like an actress, actress, Like it
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makes sense that someone her level would be able to
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01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:38.079
bring that to right, that character, you know what I mean,
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01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.039
there's an intensity that like this chick is on her way.
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You know, it's just I don't know. I wouldn't say
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the supporting actress for that for an oscar, but give
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her a Saturn or whatever.
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01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:55.440
Saturn, yeah you go fang or yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah,
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for sure she'll win that.
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Yeah.
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Thank you all for joining us for this episode of
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