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Hi guys, welcome to Your Too Much.
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I'm Matt.
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And I'm Peter.
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And we are back to recap the Traitors and New Blood, episodes three and four.
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What are your first thoughts on these two episodes?
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Uh, these two episodes I really enjoyed.
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We're starting to see a lot more of the gameplay and a lot more of the strategy come through.
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So excited to just see how all these different personalities come out and then interact with each other.
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How about you?
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I said this in our last episode where I feel like I don't know, I wasn't sure how a US civilian version would go, but I'm actually really enjoying the cast so far.
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I like that there's only like a handful of people who maybe are not speaking as much, but I feel like they're doing a good job giving every single person a little bit of camera time.
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So even like the quieter players like Abby is starting to speak up a lot more in these last few episodes, or Sherry, who doesn't speak at all at the round table.
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We got a couple of confessionals from her.
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So it's nice to see everybody doing their part and not relying on just like the big personalities, like a Victor, who actually was a bit more reserved these last two episodes.
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Yeah, I think the producers are definitely doing a good job editing out anything that isn't too relevant, because in the first two episodes, I think it made sense to have so much of Victor, of course.
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But then and his personality is still coming through.
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It's just he's not a lead so far.
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Yeah.
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Still involved, but not taking like the passenger seat in this in these two episodes.
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So let's jump into episodes three and four.
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So from the last episode, Xavier and Katie, who are current faithful, they have been chosen by the traitors, Tamika and Joe, to be their accomplices.
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And by the end of the night, one of them will join them to be the third trader.
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So the last agenda that Xavier and Katie needed to complete was to grab a death warrant uh in two locations in the castle.
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So we find out that Xavier and Katie both grabbed death warrants, um, which forces Tamika and Joe to choose who to p who to be their third trader.
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Were you surprised that Xavier and Katie grabbed death warrants, or did you think it was going to be pretty easy for them?
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I wasn't surprised at all about Xavier, because he was just set up to get that so easily.
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And like set up in like he positioned himself to get it so easily and also blocked Katie out.
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But it did seem like the way they edited the timing in terms of like the cutoff time to for it to count, it did make it seem like they were both like if they didn't find it in the book.
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I'm assuming it wasn't too hard to find it in the book.
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I don't but you never know.
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Um, but Katie, I definitely thought that she did not get it, or if there was there was more potential for her not to, because she was scrambling to get that.
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But I I'm very glad that they both got it.
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So it's less of a who didn't succeed sort of thing and more of a okay, now the traders have to pick.
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Yeah.
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I was surprised that Katie got it also.
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I was also surprised by how small the death warrants were.
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For some reason, I thought they were gonna be like a folded piece of you know paper, like what they receive when they're murdered.
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Um, but it was actually sort of like a like a five by eight little piece of paper.
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Um Yeah.
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I was to be honest, I thought it was going to be like almost like a little packet, like in an envelope or something.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Um, because something about the way the edit looked before, like in the in episode two when they were trying to get it, it seemed like they were going to be getting something a little bit more substantial in the book, which is also why I'm like, I don't know how hard it was to find it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Obviously, they gotta find the book, but like the packet in it, like not sure how thin that is, or if there's a you know a cutaway section in the book or something like that.
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So ultimately, Tamika and Joe choose Katie to be the third trader, which means that Xavier is murdered.
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What are your thoughts?
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Do you think they made the right choice?
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They definitely made the right choice.
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Xavier kind of shot himself in the foot saying that he threw Katie under the bus.
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Like, yeah.
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And also when they go to deliberate between Tamika and Joe, like on the side, like it's already traitor on traitor.
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I was like, good, they had the right idea to get rid of him because he would get them out.
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Yep.
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He would, he's not willing to play a team game.
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And really, you have to play that team game until the end.
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So I think they made the right choice.
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Um, and also they look like a little happy family now.
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Yeah, it's so cute.
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It's like a cute little biracial family.
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Like, yeah, exactly.
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Um, I agree.
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I think Xavier definitely shot himself in the foot as soon as he revealed his strategy of throwing Katie under the bus, which to me is like, why would you do that?
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Because you're telling Tamika and Joe that if he's willing to do that to Katie, he's gonna do it to you later on in the game.
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So I think they read they read that accurately.
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It's so tough because Xavier probably was thinking, like, yeah, like I'm trying to show you that I'm here to play and I'll do anything to to win, but I think it really backfired on him.
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So I'm glad they picked Katie.
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I think she has um credibility and reputation and social status with like the younger players.
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So I think they made the right choice.
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I think Xavier would have been another like middle-aged player who didn't have access to a different group of players.
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When we get to the breakfast the next morning, it's of course revealed that Xavier has been murdered.
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And Logan, our quirky quiet guy, who I got confused with the other guy that looks like him, Wyatt, who Wyatt hasn't spoken a single word this entire time.
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Get them confused.
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I, of course, because my the way my brain works and the way my nosiness works, I creeped on all of them on Instagram.
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Wyatt is so cute.
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I don't know how you got Logan and him confused.
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I guess it just looks like skinny white guys.
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That is also very true.
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Um Logan also is from Gatlinburg, Tennessee.
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So like the southern draw of it all.
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But like thankfully, we do see more of Wyatt in terms of his chatting around with other people.
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Logan talks about how, you know, the day before at breakfast, he and Xavier were talking, and Xavier had brought up Katie's name to a couple people at the table.
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So Logan's logic is well, Xavier's not here, and Katie's the last day that Xavier brought up.
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Could Katie be a traitor?
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Which is sort of what Xavier was hoping would happen, right?
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So Logan decides that he's gonna keep this in his back pocket and use it when he needs to.
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Alan comes in dressed in this like red leopard outfit.
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You know what?
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I loved it.
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It was really, really good this episode.
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And and to steal some like, is it fashion or is it costume from Salt Lake City?
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I thought first episode was more costume.
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I think I mentioned like I it seemed like like it was well put together, but it seemed like it could be found at the craft store.
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This I really liked in terms of the red, red leather, whatever coat with shorts, the the little number the leopard number he has under.
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Looked very cute.
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I do have some comments on when he gets to the round table when he takes off that jacket, but but he looks great in this, in the full suit.
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Um, yeah, I really liked it.
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I was like, oh, that would be cute for someone to like maybe redo for Halloween, like, but also make it work.
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I've noticed that in the last these last four episodes, he's worn like a single color head to toe.
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So I wonder if this is gonna be like a theme for him.
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Um, but he looks amazing.
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I I hope he sticks to this type of look for the rest of the series for as long as it it's on, because I think this is it's really working for him.
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Yeah, I think I think he even is quoted in some whether it's media or social media outlet, um, that like he's still willing to push the boundaries of like what he's wearing and stuff like that.
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And if you're not taking risks, then yada yada yada, like you're not really doing fashion or something like that.
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Um, or fashion is about taking risks and stuff like that.
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But I like his like he's got a main focus of like his fits, and then he like accessorizes around that like main moment.
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When we get to this episode's mission, all the contestants have to push this ram into three different crypts.
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In each crypt there's a chest, and in each chest there is either gold or another object or something else that they could take as well, which includes a shield.
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So only two people can go into the crypt at a time.
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So in the first crypt, Arissa and Morgan go in and they grab$5,000.
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They also look to see if there's any shields or any other things that they can take, and it looks like there's only cash in there.
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A couple folks call out whether or not they saw Arissa grabbing something from the chest, specifically Abby.
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She sees what looks like a um necklace or gold like string and thought that maybe it was the shield.
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But we find out later Arissa defends herself and says that it was like the strands from the bag that held the cash.
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In the second crypt, Clyde and Tamika go in and they have the option to either take$10,000 or take$5,000 and one shield.
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Tamika and Clyde decide to do the latter.
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So they take the five grand and Clyde decides to take the shield.
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Tamika says in a confessional that she wants to show that she's a good faithful, and so she offers it to Clyde.
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What do you think about this decision?
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Do you think you would have taken the 10K or do you think you would have taken the 5K and the shield?
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I guess it would depend on who I went in there with.
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Um and then also where I feel the most comfortable, which is a very vague non-answer.
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It would depend.
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Um it would probably depend who I went in there with, and then if I feel comfortable about them going in.
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I would probably go in with a mindset like Clyde.
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Um in terms of like some one of us should take it and we keep it a secret.
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In the first crypt, I think in terms of like the conversation that Abby brought up, she's like, I saw you with a chain or something like that.
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They should have been more descriptive about what was in the chest.
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Because there were coins, there were chains, there were different pieces of like quote unquote treasure, but there wasn't a shield.
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Yeah, I don't know why they felt the need to, why Arissa specifically felt the need to say like there's nothing else there.
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Like she could have just said what was inside, and I think people would have believed her.
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Yeah, not really being able to describe why exactly she did what she did.
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Because every time she describes something, it seemed Arissa was just digging herself slowly and slowly into a hole.
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Um, because there wasn't any rationale behind she she was being truthful, but it was just there's no real believable rationale behind that truth.
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Also, they keep saying Abby Al, which is like the the Asian woman astrophysicist.
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Who the hell is the other Abby?
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Oh, other Abby is one of the quote unquote dolls.
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The really southern girl who didn't know what a coffee maker, a French press coffee maker was.
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Oh, okay, okay, okay.
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That's the other Abby.
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She's just having the gays show her the world, and she's living her best, like, you know, I don't know, sex in the city slash Emily in Paris life.
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I mean, I will say that purple outfit that she wore to breakfast, stunning with a fur coat.
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I'm I'm actually very impressed by Arissa's outfits.
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Yes.
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She's looked so cute.
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Yes.
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Very Heathers.
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That's a good reference.
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Yeah.
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Like very chic.
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Like prep school.
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Yeah.
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Very Heathers, very a little bit clueless, um, but very well put together.
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She's looked cute as hell.
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The faces beat every time.
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Yeah, she's looking perfect.
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Yeah.
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Too bad her game is not perfect.
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I'll come back to that.
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And then the in the third crypt, Michael and Ben decide to go in, and they have the option to take 15 grand or five grand and secret information on the traders.
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They decide to go the latter, and the clue is last night, two players battled it out in plain sight to be a trader.
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And they say, Oh, we're gonna snatch some wings tonight.
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And so they go in.
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The cast is pissed because they only took home half of what they could have taken.
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And now the traders are a little bit nervous, especially Katie, who of course was one of the accomplices.
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I think this was a good subtle clue.
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It didn't incriminate anyone specifically, but it did um humorously lead people to pick up on and remember really odd behaviors.
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So it is a reminder that if you're doing too much, it can be interpreted as traitorous behavior.
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But in terms of like this hint about the traitors, they didn't communicate it correctly.
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And so that annoyed me really bad.
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It was so frustrating because Michael makes it seem like it's gonna be this whole there was a whole ceremony and things like that.
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The it was them fighting it out to find out who it was, and we see that with Christy bringing up like, well, Xavier's gone.
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Could he have been one of the people fighting it out?
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One o'clock.
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What like I was very impressed that she put that together only because she was so wrong in episode one and two.
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So very smart of Christy, like, okay, Mississippi smarts coming out, like represent.
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Um for those of you who don't know, I'm from Mississippi, so um, but like, is she gonna be that that on top of the right answer all the time?
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Probably not.
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Um, I'd be willing to bet against her, but very good job, Christy.
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When we get to the round table, Abby calls Arissa out for what she thought was a shield, but it was just the string part of the candice bag.
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Michael and Ben, again, reveal the clue to the cast, reminding people that two players had battled it out in plain sight to be a traitor.
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And this is where the whole Arissa holding hands with Victor an episode or two ago, when she was trying to like feel Victor's energy and to see whether or not he was a traitor based on this.
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And they wonder whether or not this was some sort of like recruitment, seduction ceremony, a ritual that Arissa was performing on Victor to recruit him as a traitor.
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And so I would say like it's not the worst evidence if we're going off of anything, right?
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Um, but it is a reminder that, yeah, if you do weird shit, it's going to be seen as traitorous behavior.
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Because honestly, when you're in a castle with just like 20 people, when you're trying to find the traitors, everything looks a little sus.
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They really don't have much to go off of.
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So it really just kind of stinks that like they held on to that, held on to that like Arissa held on to Victor's hands.
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I would have explained more about like why she did that, but also maybe she got cut off in terms of like the discussion at the round table.
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Because her rationale, while it is very far-fetched, was like, yes, I was doing some kitschy little thing, but also like I have I'm a I don't know if she's communicated that she's a dog groomer.
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So like, because that was her rationale in the confessional.
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She's like, I have to understand how different people and dogs are interacting and like their vibes and whatnot.
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I don't I don't know.
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Actually, you know what?
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I'm backtracking that.
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Her rationale doesn't make any fucking sense.
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Like, are she is she holding on to dog's paws and trying to figure out if they're lying to her?
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Or like, or is she doing that to her customers who are paying for the dog room?
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She's definitely doing that with the dogs.
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It doesn't make sense.
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It doesn't make sense at all.
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So Arissa, I'm sorry, you look so cute, but that's nuts.
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It was weird.
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I also think that her, even though her the content of what she was saying was good, I think her delivery was really defensive, unfortunately.
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And I understand because if you're being falsely accused of being a traitor, I do think your your guard goes up so immediately.
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But I don't think it helped her that she was being very reactive and very defensive in these moments, where I wish that she could have just done what you did, like and explain it as calmly as possible, that even though it looked super suspicious, it was really just like this like jokey thing that she was doing with Victor.
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Um and I would have even respected Arissa if she said something like, you know what?
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I just wanted a reason to touch Victor.
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I was just about to add that.
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I was like, he just had his like little girlfriend get eliminated, so now I'm trying to make a move on him.
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Like I wanted to hold I wanted to hold his hand and not make it too weird.
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But also, Victor should have said he hoped he's not being murdered right then.
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Like it he's got goldfish memory, and yeah, they're he's they're on a TV show and there's a lot of stuff going on, so like, can I blame him?
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Yes, I can.
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Um, but but only because we're sitting here watching the show.
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So um he should have used his pretty little head and said something like, I didn't mind it because I got to hold Arissa's hands and she's cute as hell.
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And also, Naya, she called out, you're letting her just go to the wolves and like not even defending.
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It was like, yes, I thought it was weird, but I don't think she's a traitor.
00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:29.519
It puts Victor in a tough position because I do think he was trying to go into this round table a little bit more reserved because he already got so much heat from the last round table.
00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:36.400
So I understand why he didn't jump in to save Arissa, because I think he was just trying to save his own ass.
00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:42.400
Um, but it did make him look guilty for not jumping in and saying anything.
00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:46.640
So I think at a minimum he could have said, you know, I was there, of course.
00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:47.599
He held my hand.
00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:49.200
I didn't think anything about it.
00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.839
I just thought we were doing something silly together.
00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:57.440
Um, but now that it's brought to my attention, do I think it could have been like a recruiting tactic?
00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.759
No, I think it was really just Arissa, you know, doing something kishy.
00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:02.880
Anything, right?
00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:09.519
So, I mean, of course, it could have been edited out in all of that, but yeah, Victor really, I think, flopped.
00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:14.559
Yeah, I would also love to be in a tough position with Victor, though, too.
00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:20.960
So, you know, like you just have to be a dog groomer who picks up on energy, Peter.
00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.880
I'd love to be with Victor between a tough and a hard place.
00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:26.559
Oh my god.
00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:28.400
I'm keeping that in the edit.
00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:29.039
I'm keeping it.
00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:31.119
Okay, great, perfect.
00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:38.559
I mean, this is the this is on track for me talking about any of the hot men on these seasons.
00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.440
If we ever start a podcast, it should be called Unnecessarily Gay.
00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.039
Yeah.
00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.799
Um we were just talking about reality shows, but make it gay.
00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:56.880
Um so the whole Xavier getting murdered part also gets brought up.
00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:03.039
And Jay and Logan both bring up that Katie's name was tossed around by Xavier.
00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.920
And so this is what Chrissy brought up, what you were saying earlier.
00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:13.759
Chrissy says, Well, is it possible that Xavier was one of those two players vying to be traitors and then didn't win and therefore got murdered?
00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.519
That was such a great clock by her.
00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:24.480
I wish she had more credibility because I do think it would have really gone further.
00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:32.240
Yeah, she really I don't maybe it was just an offhand comment from her, too.
00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:37.519
Like she's thinking through things and she wasn't like too stuck on it, right?
00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:42.480
Because I if she would have said it to the right person, did she say it?
00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:44.079
She said it at the round table, yeah.
00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:44.480
Right.
00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:45.359
Okay.
00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:52.559
So maybe there was a maybe she said it more in an offhand way rather than in the midst of a whole discussion.
00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:58.480
Like, because I feel like Michael, as smart as he is, he probably could have put that together.
00:21:58.640 --> 00:21:59.759
He probably could have been like, oh.
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.839
That's actually a good idea.
00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:03.519
And Xavier's gone.
00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:05.279
And he mentioned Katie's name.
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:15.119
That I feel like that could have been picked up by someone who's a little bit more, who's got a little bit more gusto and like willing to like figure it out.
00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:22.720
Because like I don't it makes sense, but also everything makes more sense when we're watching it at home.
00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.799
But I was I was also like open mouth all day, oh damn.
00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:35.599
She's if she had more that credibility that like you mentioned, but like she just no one's gonna believe her after that first round table.
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:38.079
Yeah, she sort of like pulled the Ron.
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:44.079
Uh so I think she lost a couple points in the last episode, but it was a great clock.
00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:51.440
And so this leads Logan and Jay to both bring up uh Katie's name.
00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:58.400
And Joe and Tamika immediately jump in and save Katie, which I thought was a ballsy move on their part.
00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:00.240
They suck their necks out for Katie.
00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:02.319
Um and Joe says, I don't think it's Katie.
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:08.960
And then Tamika goes, we are wasting time on people like Katie when we should be looking at people who are really traitors.
00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:19.440
I think Joe and Tamika have sort of like this mom and dad energy that immediately commands a lot of attention without it being overbearing.
00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:27.279
And so I think they just carry themselves really well and have garnered obviously like clearly like a lot of respect on this cast.
00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.640
And so I think people were just willing to listen to them.
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:31.440
Totally.
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:56.079
I you even hear that like Joe and Tamika actually recognize that too, or at least Joe does, um, because when they were deciding between between Xavier and Katie, he even said, like, in the turret, like Tamika and him have the bed set up, the posters up, the music, their music is playing, and so they need someone who can compliment their little traitor ship.
00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.319
So like I think he definitely definitely feels that Tamika.
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:01.359
I think she does too.
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.680
She just hasn't like vocalized that in a confessional.
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:13.119
I think they are definitely like kind of respected in the cast, um, which should also raise some alarm bells to the rest of the cast, too.
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.200
That like, oh, it can't be them.
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:16.240
We trust them so much.
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:20.319
One of the things that also is brought up is Victor versus Michael.
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:29.759
So Victor thinks it could be Michael because his theory is if the traders know that Michael is a lawyer, why wouldn't they get rid of him?
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.079
Because he's so smart and could put things together.
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.799
And why would they keep someone like Michael around?
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.880
Which I think is a pretty logical observation.
00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:47.039
And immediately Joe uh jumps in and supports Michael and says, Michael's a great guy.
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:49.359
I don't think there's any way that he could be a traitor.
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.960
Um, and so that sort of like squashes Victor immediately.
00:24:53.200 --> 00:25:02.480
So at the end, you find out that it is Arissa who is banished from the game, and she reveals that she is a faithful.
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.240
Um, what are your thoughts?
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.599
Is there anything Arissa could have done to save herself?
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:16.160
She could have given a little bit more detail about um the crypt to make that less of a thing.
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:24.640
The hand holding thing, I really think, just like kind of like solidified it because it was the only thing that was public that was just too much.
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:44.720
After the round table, Michael goes up to Joe and thanks him for defending him at the round table and says, I grew up with a lot of people looking like you, and I just want you to know that the 30-year-old man that's sitting in front of you really appreciates it, and the 14-year-old kid really appreciates it.
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.000
And I literally started sobbing watching this.
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:49.920
This was I was crying too.
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:51.839
I was crying too.
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:56.799
It was any gay kid watching this knows this feeling.
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:07.680
And it's like hard to describe it um exactly, but just to have because Joe looks like, you know, very like a masculine man with like a strong New York accent.
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:18.079
And I think you can stereotype him as someone that might be like conservative or judgy or um have very strong ideas of what a man should be or shouldn't be.
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:23.279
Um and for him to defend Michael, a gay man, it obviously was very powerful for Michael.
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.200
And so, and everyone watching too.
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:31.599
And I love that they hugged, and I love that they also did it in a group of other men in the room, too.
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:50.480
Um, I thought it was really nice that they kept in Joe's confessional when he said, you know, I really um like Michael, and I really hope that he doesn't see this as a deceptive move that I was doing, that he knows that I was really genuine about backing him up at the round table.
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:59.680
So I'm glad production kept that because I do think the audience could have easily perceived that as like, you know, a deceptive thing to garner trust, right?
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:05.759
So um a beautiful scene in a reality television show, and you know, more of that.
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:07.359
It was very, very sweet.
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.720
So commend you, Joe.
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.640
I'm giving you a little applause.
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.599
Um Yeah.
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:16.559
I don't think it was, I don't think Joe defending Michael was deceptive.
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.839
I do think it was strategic.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:19.279
Yeah.
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:21.359
And I think that's different, right?
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:28.960
Like I think Joe defending Michael keeps Michael in playing, keeps Michael around to trust Joe later on.
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:40.720
Um, but I do think Joe didn't necessarily understand the more emotional impact of that defense for Michael until afterwards.
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:51.200
In another room, Abby and Sherry are chatting, and Sherry says to Abby, we need to start looking at the men because there's no way all three traitors are women.
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.440
And then Abby goes, How do you know there's three traitors?
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:01.359
I don't know if this was the clock that Abby thinks it was, you know.
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:03.359
Oh, a hundred percent.
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:09.039
The other thing is that Abby says she responded to her that way, but I didn't see that.
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.960
She did not just respond that way.
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:11.519
Yeah.
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:12.079
Yeah.
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:19.839
This is like one of those things that like she should have vocalized that it's that was in her mind.
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:29.039
Like she thought that rather than saying that, because like she never says what Sherry says back to her, and there's no evidence that she said that.
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:33.759
So like it's a very half-baked take it and run.
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:42.960
And I really it's kind of wild because a lot of the Abby's, a lot of Abby's takes are half-baked, and she's an astrophysicist.
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.440
It's like book smart but not street smart.
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:52.960
You know, it's unfortunate because the show I think also um really fixates on Freudian slips too.
00:28:53.119 --> 00:29:04.480
And so, yeah, I think we all can misspeak from time to time, but unfortunately, in the last four episodes, in the first four episodes, that has been really been weaponized against everybody.
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:09.440
I mean, being misheard, misspeaking, it just sort of happens.
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:13.359
But I guess like in a game like this, you sort of have to go off of everything.
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:21.599
Yeah, like from what we're seeing, it seems very evident that why people would pick up on that.
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:31.920
But like, if you're thinking about how much is left on the cutting room floor of the producer and editors like seeing, like it's gotta be the only thing they can really grasp onto.
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:37.440
The next scene that we see is Jay, Christy, Clyde, and Joe sitting in a room.
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:47.519
And earlier in the round table, Jay had said that he is a uh body language expert, but refuses to say who he thinks is exhibiting suspicious body language.
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.119
He wants to like hold on to that.
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:57.920
And so the group is pushing Jay to say, like, hey, like, don't hold on to your suspicions, like, bring them out so that we can sort of talk them out with you.
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.359
And so then Jay goes, I just want to hold on to it a little bit longer.
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.079
And everyone's like, uh, I cannot stand Jay.
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:07.359
I'm gonna say that from the jump.
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:17.039
He reminds me of a pick-me guy from middle school or high school who is just like kind of all over the place.
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:30.559
There's not a real concrete thought in his brain, but also you find he's full of surprises these two episodes, because I very much thought he was a homosexual.
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:42.079
And while he may be part of the Rainbow Mafia, the alphabet mafia, excuse me, um I he's married to a woman, which we find out later.
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:42.799
That's right.
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:44.079
Um that's right, listeners.
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:49.920
Jay, the physician, spreading his legs in front of everybody to a woman.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.599
Married to a woman.
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:57.119
They met in band in school, high school, middle school, whatever.
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.599
But I also did some creeping on Instagram.
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.759
They've been married for 14 years.
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.359
Um they do look like festival going people.
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:14.240
I saw like a festival thing, so maybe he's just a festival boy um and falls into the spectrum of queerness.
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:19.839
So, you know, all all God's children, I was gay once, it's fine.
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.119
Um, and that is an easy A reference if anyone can claw it.
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:24.079
All God's children.
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.599
All God's children, I was gay once, it's fine.
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.839
Um, but uh yeah, Jay is definitely he becomes really annoying.
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.960
And anyone who's already watched the episode, you know this.
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:51.759
Um, but like if it's not anyone that you're currently talking to that is raising suspicion, you should have no reason to like withhold a name unless you truly like, I really don't have any evidence.
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.119
You preface it heavily and then you share the name.
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:55.359
Yeah.
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.359
Be like, keep an eye on this person.
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.119
I don't have any evidence at all.
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.000
Be very upfront.
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:06.240
Be like, but this person is like ringing alarm bells in my brain when I see them interact with other people.
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:07.599
Like, that's all you have to do.
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:08.480
I agree.
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.200
I think he just needs to share just enough.
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.880
But he is either he's like a very like all or nothing type of guy.
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:28.720
And so it's very difficult to work with someone that is all or nothing because it either feels like you're withholding, which makes you suspicious, or you just say whatever comes to your mind without thinking about it, which I think makes you difficult to work with.
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:37.920
So the fact that he can't be strategic or moderate what he wants to share, um, to me makes him a bad faithful.
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.680
So let's jump into this episode's mission.
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:53.039
So there are two carts with barrels in it that the cast has to push across three gates, but behind them is the parade of death.
00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:02.319
And if the parade of death catches up to you, anybody that it touches is uh up for murder and they're shortlisted for murder.
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:18.720
So we find out that at each gate, there needs to be two to four people who have to stay behind and essentially sacrifice themselves to be up for murder to allow the rest of the cast to push the carts and the barrels to the finish line.
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:33.359
So the players who sacrifice themselves and therefore are shortlisted for murder are Naya, Victor, Morgan, and Mark, Tamika, Christy, Joe, Clyde, Sherry, and Abby.
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:45.119
Jay, the entire mission says, listen, if you let me get to the end of this mission, I will reveal who I think is a traitor.
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.839
The entire time people are like, shut up, Jay.
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.319
Like it was it was giving shut up, Meg for Family Guy.
00:33:52.640 --> 00:34:12.079
And I was like, this guy, the fact that he thinks his hypothesis is more important than anyone else's and warrants him the chance to make it to the end of the mission without having to sacrifice, is 100% narcissistic behavior.
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:13.360
Like, give me a break.
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.679
You are so self-centered right now.
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.800
It's so annoying.
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:24.719
And this is this is the challenge where he reveals he met his wife in band, he knows how to march.
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.719
To be honest, though, I will say this challenge was freaky.
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:39.199
I was a little freaked out by it because I maybe it's just the tone of the death parade and like the the moments.
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:48.800
To be honest, I was telling my friend that I was watching with that like I would ask production, can I just like hang on to the cart?
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.559
I do not want to be in a cage.
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.360
Like, this is a little too freaky for me.
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:59.119
But Jay, this is where he drops he was in band, and he also reveals he was a trumpet player.
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.239
And you know what?
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:06.480
The annoying person in middle high school band that was very much a pick me, they were also a trumpet player.
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:14.960
And also, while trumpets are beautiful instruments and can make great noise, trumpet players are very annoying.
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:21.199
They're either a really cool person who's very skilled at playing the trumpet, or they're a pick me and they're very annoying.
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:28.159
I don't know if you want to play the trumpet, Matt, or if you played any other instruments, but like trumpet players, fucking annoying.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:37.119
It's so funny because there's like probably a personality structure for each instrument, and uh every every sort of like field has something like that.
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:38.239
Yeah.
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:44.960
I was a woodwind, and now I'm a homosexual, so all the woodwind players you know are gay.
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:45.599
No.
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.639
No, no, they're not, but I like putting wood in my mouth.
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:58.480
Uh um but this is why we have the explicit warning on our um podcast, guys.
00:35:59.199 --> 00:35:59.519
Yeah.
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:08.480
I will I will say though, before we move on, because we've wrapped up the challenge, is that like we got a lot of muscle action in the last two challenges.
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:18.400
We got the battering ram for the crypts, we got these barrel rolling and gate turning and all this other stuff of pulling stuff.
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:26.239
So we got a lot of a lot of images of the some of the some of the muscly men in the cast putting in work.
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.239
Mark did say that like he's like, I'm a personal trainer.
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:35.280
I this is what like this is where my skill set really comes into handy.
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.039
You get some b-roll of mark in the shower showing off those abs.
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.280
Go check out his Instagram.
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.039
He looks fine as hell.
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.599
Um, I also love a little Himbo in a jersey.
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:55.119
Like, he's like a very stocky, short guy, but like who cares about height when you're that jacked?
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.400
He's giving like old school Abercrombie and Fitch model.
00:36:58.800 --> 00:36:59.199
Yes.
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.639
You know, like locker room Abercrombie photo shoot.
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:03.360
Yeah.
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.239
He's got that, is it a hockey jersey?
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:06.800
I don't know.
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:14.239
I don't really I don't I like walking watching hockey even before he did rivalry, but like he's looking fine as hell.
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.239
There's one point, and just to can keep going and then I'll wrap that up.
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:24.880
Um at one point he's wearing the jersey at the round table and he lifts his arms up above his head.
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:41.679
Yes, and they cut it right before it might have shown a little bit of his mid drift, and I was about to like bite off like my fist um because I was yearning the entire two episodes that can't were released.
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:43.039
So um, okay.
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:44.239
That's all I have to say.
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:45.599
I got my thirst out.
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.480
So we're calling this Peter's gay corner, okay?
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.480
We're just gonna have his thirst corner for 30 seconds.
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:56.079
You get to say whatever gay shit you want to say.
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:57.519
Amazing.
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:58.719
That was awesome.
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.199
It's it's our version of I don't think so, honey.
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:02.239
Yes, exactly.
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.719
30 seconds of thirst.
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:11.519
Um, I was gonna ask you, but it I feel like it's irrelevant now given that you're you're thirst corner.
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:16.159
But I was gonna say, you know, is there a strategy for a mission like this?
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.679
As a trader, would you have sacrificed yourself?
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:24.400
Um, would you have taken the Tamika route, which it sounds like that's what she ended up doing, right?
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.159
Wanted to look like she was a faithful.
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What what's your what's your take on this?
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I would probably put up a little bit of hesitancy and then go with Tamika in terms of the way she did it.
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.400
She held on, she wasn't the first person to volunteer.
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:49.039
I think Tamika is who I would follow in route of, but I would be wary about how many times you volunteer yourself to like stay behind.
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:49.440
Yeah.
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:58.000
Um, I think Joe's pretty he's flying under the radar pretty well, but I think that's also his dad personality too, coming out.
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:58.800
What about you?
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:03.360
I think Joe does a good job again, being sort of like the dad of the group.
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And so he is flying under the radar for someone that talks a lot, which I find really interesting.
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:26.960
And I think Tamika is doing a great job always inserting herself, giving herself any opportunity to be able to see what's inside Crypts, see what's inside things, um, so that she has extra information while also remaining very faithful to people.
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And I think that's a very good skill and that not many traders possess.
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And I think Tamika does a really good job doing that.
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.920
She, I think, is by far the best trader so far out of the three of them.
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.159
I think she's playing a really good game.
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.599
Um, but in this mission, I think I would have done the same.
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:52.400
I would have refused to not sacrifice myself in the first um gate because it looks like you're too quick to offer yourself up.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.960
I would have waited until like maybe the third gate and been like, I'll just do it.
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:58.239
It's fine, I'll take one for the team.
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:03.199
I feel like you just have to like time your altruism at some point.
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:12.079
I do love that I love and kind of am annoyed by Abby L um because of her half-baked ideas.
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:17.840
But the very first leave behind people, she was like, Victor, this is how you can prove yourself.
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She like full ass points at him.
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It's like, this is how you can prove yourself.
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Like, stay behind.
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And he's like, fine, blah, blah, blah.
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:26.559
I know.
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.159
He's such a sad puppy.
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:29.599
Yeah, yeah.
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Sad, sweaty puppy.
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.400
Um the other thing is uh Katie will have to.
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I mean, we'll find out once we get to the very end of this episode, but she does explode on Jay, and he's the one who brought her up at the last round table, and she's if she's planning to stick around, she's gonna have to nip that in the bud because um she's letting her colors show.
00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:04.000
Well, but also I think that anyone with their name called out and someone who's being as annoying as Jay, like, would explode on him.
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:09.360
Um, so like I think that's the only thing that I would say about her gameplay right now.
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:17.360
She's got the heat on her already, and there's not really anyone else other than getting rid of Jay as a bad faithful.
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.760
That's kind of the only thing she has to go off of.
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.079
But um those just my last thoughts on that.
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.119
When we get into this round table, which is the end of this episode, we actually don't see who gets banished.
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.719
Um, Jay immediately wants to go into Katie.
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:42.239
And so it looks like the three names that are going to be tossed around at this round table are Katie, Jay, and Sherry, um, which I think are three interesting players, they're all three very different players.
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:53.760
Um, I do think that this is going to backfire on Jay only because Jay is an unreliable source and he's already been perceived as an unlikable player.
00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:05.760
And so if it was maybe um Clyde or maybe even Michael who called out Katie, I think it would land a little bit better.
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.840
I think it would have maybe even let led Katie to being banished.
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:18.000
But because it's Jay that's leading the charge, I do think it's gonna be harder for people to side with him because everyone likes Katie a lot.
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:29.920
Yeah, I think it's it's really gonna depend on his positioning and what else he brings to the table, because all he has to go off of is Xavier said Katie's name.
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.920
Logan agreed with him when he brought up Katie's name, and then Katie exploding on him.
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Um, I think based off of the confessionals from Tamika and Joe, I think more so Joe, that he's gonna have to defend Katie, which they already did in the last one, but I feel like they have an easy, not an easy out, but they're gonna they have a way out with Jay bringing up Katie if that's the only evidence he has, because Jay brought up her name first, and then Logan's gone, and he looked directly at Logan to back him up, and they could use that as like maybe you got rid of Logan to get the heat off of you for saying her name to make it look like it's Kate, like you know, that sort of positioning I think could work.
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:19.920
Yeah, I agree.
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.960
I think it will depend also on who backs Jay up, also.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.639
If it's someone that's credible, I do think Jay's point will get across a little bit easier.
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:40.079
I think Katie has an easy defense in all of this and saying it wouldn't be too obvious if I was the trader and I took out the two people that said my name.
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:48.880
Um, and I think that would be a good defense for Katie to use because yeah, it's she's sort of like trying to double bluff people in this in this way.
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:56.079
Um, and using Jay's lack of credibility and like ability, I think is would be a good useful tool for her.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.679
I would also be interested to see if Christy's name is actually brought.
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Up because of the last name that Jay said at the challenge.
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So I would be interested interested to see his rationale there.
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.760
Jay is just such a they I think Cherry actually mentions it.
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He's sucking the air out of the room.
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.760
Similar to Michael Rappaport back in the back in the last season.
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They need to get rid of traders, but if a bad faithful is holding them up from getting rid of traders, you gotta get rid of the bad faithfuls.
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:24.880
I agree.
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:25.519
Yeah.
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.920
So we'll see what happens next episode.
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.360
We will not have a new episode next week.
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.360
Um, and so the next episode will be Thursday, October 8th.
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.880
So it sounds like this is why they gave us two episodes this week.
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:49.599
The other thing that I think I mentioned before we started recording is I'm curious in the Peacock app, they positioned this as season five of Traders.
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:55.920
So I'm curious because season one, they had a combo celeb and normies.
00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:09.440
I'm curious if they're going to continue this like normy season, celeb season, normie season, celeb season, and maybe try to return to a half and half now that there's a precedent for how the game works.
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:09.760
Yeah.
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Well, personally, I think they should keep it separate because it's Me too.
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.159
It it would be the same situation as season one.
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Now that people know how to play the game, it would be the same situation of people who know TV, know how to interact, and like are ready to let it go.
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.079
People who are normies will be a little bit starstruck and be a little bit more quiet.
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:37.440
Um even if they are ready and willing to play the game, I think they need to follow suit with the UK in terms of having it separate.
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:38.239
I agree.
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Um I agree.
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I hope they keep it separate.
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:47.360
So we'll be back in two weeks for our next recap when the traders release their next episode.
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It's probably going to be one episode a week now.
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So um we'll be following that.
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.679
So thanks guys for coming back for our recap of the traders' new blood.
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.639
We'll be back later this week with our recaps of everything Housewives.
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:08.960
So please like, subscribe, follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at Your Too Much Pod, and leave us a five-star review wherever you listen to our show.
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:15.599
Also, I wanted to share with everybody that I just started a like little tiny small business on the side.
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I guess it's like a party planning thing, where I'm gonna basically help you host your own traders party.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.639
Um so I've hosted a couple.
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:26.079
Peter's been to one of them.
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:30.079
I really enjoy doing them, and so I wanted to take it on the road.
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So um I just finished the website.
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So if you're interested in learning more, go to www.thebanishmentclub.com and check out uh my new website.
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:43.360
My gosh.
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.960
And also, um, I did not know this, so surprise for me.
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.320
But I can vouch for Matt's party planning skills.
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.079
It was so much fun.
00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:03.519
Um, also challenges that are not they're like based off of some of the or inspired by some of the things that we see on the show, but like they're very different.
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.599
So a lot of fun.
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:15.760
Um, I mean, when I played it, I was a little stoned, so that's why I I got pretty far and then fucked it up at the end.
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But um, it was so much fun.
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And also, Matt has a great group of friends too, so that also helps.
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.400
It was so much fun.
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.880
Um, so I can vouch for it if you need it.
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.239
I'll I'll leave a review.
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:27.199
Oh, thanks.
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:27.840
Yeah.
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:28.400
Yeah.
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.719
Um so check it out if you want to, you know, see what the party's about.
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.719
And so there's a cute little video I made too.
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:36.719
What was that website again, Matt?
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.920
www.thebanishmentclub.com.
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:41.199
Nice.
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:42.559
Yeah.
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.880
I listened to enough podcasts that I'm like, oh wait, what was that URL?
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.519
All right, guys, we'll see you in two weeks.
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And remember, you never chose the right people.
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Love ya.
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Bye
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Hi guys, welcome to Your Too Much.
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I'm Matt.
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And I'm Peter.
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And we are back to recap the Traitors and New Blood, episodes three and four.
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What are your first thoughts on these two episodes?
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Uh, these two episodes I really enjoyed.
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We're starting to see a lot more of the gameplay and a lot more of the strategy come through.
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So excited to just see how all these different personalities come out and then interact with each other.
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How about you?
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I said this in our last episode where I feel like I don't know, I wasn't sure how a US civilian version would go, but I'm actually really enjoying the cast so far.
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I like that there's only like a handful of people who maybe are not speaking as much, but I feel like they're doing a good job giving every single person a little bit of camera time.
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So even like the quieter players like Abby is starting to speak up a lot more in these last few episodes, or Sherry, who doesn't speak at all at the round table.
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We got a couple of confessionals from her.
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So it's nice to see everybody doing their part and not relying on just like the big personalities, like a Victor, who actually was a bit more reserved these last two episodes.
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Yeah, I think the producers are definitely doing a good job editing out anything that isn't too relevant, because in the first two episodes, I think it made sense to have so much of Victor, of course.
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But then and his personality is still coming through.
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It's just he's not a lead so far.
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Yeah.
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Still involved, but not taking like the passenger seat in this in these two episodes.
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So let's jump into episodes three and four.
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So from the last episode, Xavier and Katie, who are current faithful, they have been chosen by the traitors, Tamika and Joe, to be their accomplices.
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And by the end of the night, one of them will join them to be the third trader.
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So the last agenda that Xavier and Katie needed to complete was to grab a death warrant uh in two locations in the castle.
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So we find out that Xavier and Katie both grabbed death warrants, um, which forces Tamika and Joe to choose who to p who to be their third trader.
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Were you surprised that Xavier and Katie grabbed death warrants, or did you think it was going to be pretty easy for them?
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I wasn't surprised at all about Xavier, because he was just set up to get that so easily.
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And like set up in like he positioned himself to get it so easily and also blocked Katie out.
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But it did seem like the way they edited the timing in terms of like the cutoff time to for it to count, it did make it seem like they were both like if they didn't find it in the book.
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I'm assuming it wasn't too hard to find it in the book.
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I don't but you never know.
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Um, but Katie, I definitely thought that she did not get it, or if there was there was more potential for her not to, because she was scrambling to get that.
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But I I'm very glad that they both got it.
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So it's less of a who didn't succeed sort of thing and more of a okay, now the traders have to pick.
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Yeah.
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I was surprised that Katie got it also.
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I was also surprised by how small the death warrants were.
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For some reason, I thought they were gonna be like a folded piece of you know paper, like what they receive when they're murdered.
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Um, but it was actually sort of like a like a five by eight little piece of paper.
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Um Yeah.
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I was to be honest, I thought it was going to be like almost like a little packet, like in an envelope or something.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Um, because something about the way the edit looked before, like in the in episode two when they were trying to get it, it seemed like they were going to be getting something a little bit more substantial in the book, which is also why I'm like, I don't know how hard it was to find it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Obviously, they gotta find the book, but like the packet in it, like not sure how thin that is, or if there's a you know a cutaway section in the book or something like that.
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So ultimately, Tamika and Joe choose Katie to be the third trader, which means that Xavier is murdered.
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What are your thoughts?
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Do you think they made the right choice?
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They definitely made the right choice.
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Xavier kind of shot himself in the foot saying that he threw Katie under the bus.
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Like, yeah.
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And also when they go to deliberate between Tamika and Joe, like on the side, like it's already traitor on traitor.
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I was like, good, they had the right idea to get rid of him because he would get them out.
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Yep.
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He would, he's not willing to play a team game.
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And really, you have to play that team game until the end.
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So I think they made the right choice.
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Um, and also they look like a little happy family now.
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Yeah, it's so cute.
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It's like a cute little biracial family.
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Like, yeah, exactly.
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Um, I agree.
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I think Xavier definitely shot himself in the foot as soon as he revealed his strategy of throwing Katie under the bus, which to me is like, why would you do that?
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Because you're telling Tamika and Joe that if he's willing to do that to Katie, he's gonna do it to you later on in the game.
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So I think they read they read that accurately.
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It's so tough because Xavier probably was thinking, like, yeah, like I'm trying to show you that I'm here to play and I'll do anything to to win, but I think it really backfired on him.
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So I'm glad they picked Katie.
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I think she has um credibility and reputation and social status with like the younger players.
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So I think they made the right choice.
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I think Xavier would have been another like middle-aged player who didn't have access to a different group of players.
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When we get to the breakfast the next morning, it's of course revealed that Xavier has been murdered.
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And Logan, our quirky quiet guy, who I got confused with the other guy that looks like him, Wyatt, who Wyatt hasn't spoken a single word this entire time.
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Get them confused.
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I, of course, because my the way my brain works and the way my nosiness works, I creeped on all of them on Instagram.
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Wyatt is so cute.
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I don't know how you got Logan and him confused.
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I guess it just looks like skinny white guys.
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That is also very true.
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Um Logan also is from Gatlinburg, Tennessee.
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So like the southern draw of it all.
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But like thankfully, we do see more of Wyatt in terms of his chatting around with other people.
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Logan talks about how, you know, the day before at breakfast, he and Xavier were talking, and Xavier had brought up Katie's name to a couple people at the table.
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So Logan's logic is well, Xavier's not here, and Katie's the last day that Xavier brought up.
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Could Katie be a traitor?
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Which is sort of what Xavier was hoping would happen, right?
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So Logan decides that he's gonna keep this in his back pocket and use it when he needs to.
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Alan comes in dressed in this like red leopard outfit.
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You know what?
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I loved it.
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It was really, really good this episode.
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And and to steal some like, is it fashion or is it costume from Salt Lake City?
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I thought first episode was more costume.
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I think I mentioned like I it seemed like like it was well put together, but it seemed like it could be found at the craft store.
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This I really liked in terms of the red, red leather, whatever coat with shorts, the the little number the leopard number he has under.
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Looked very cute.
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I do have some comments on when he gets to the round table when he takes off that jacket, but but he looks great in this, in the full suit.
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Um, yeah, I really liked it.
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I was like, oh, that would be cute for someone to like maybe redo for Halloween, like, but also make it work.
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I've noticed that in the last these last four episodes, he's worn like a single color head to toe.
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So I wonder if this is gonna be like a theme for him.
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Um, but he looks amazing.
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I I hope he sticks to this type of look for the rest of the series for as long as it it's on, because I think this is it's really working for him.
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Yeah, I think I think he even is quoted in some whether it's media or social media outlet, um, that like he's still willing to push the boundaries of like what he's wearing and stuff like that.
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And if you're not taking risks, then yada yada yada, like you're not really doing fashion or something like that.
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Um, or fashion is about taking risks and stuff like that.
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But I like his like he's got a main focus of like his fits, and then he like accessorizes around that like main moment.
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When we get to this episode's mission, all the contestants have to push this ram into three different crypts.
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In each crypt there's a chest, and in each chest there is either gold or another object or something else that they could take as well, which includes a shield.
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So only two people can go into the crypt at a time.
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So in the first crypt, Arissa and Morgan go in and they grab$5,000.
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They also look to see if there's any shields or any other things that they can take, and it looks like there's only cash in there.
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A couple folks call out whether or not they saw Arissa grabbing something from the chest, specifically Abby.
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She sees what looks like a um necklace or gold like string and thought that maybe it was the shield.
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But we find out later Arissa defends herself and says that it was like the strands from the bag that held the cash.
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In the second crypt, Clyde and Tamika go in and they have the option to either take$10,000 or take$5,000 and one shield.
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Tamika and Clyde decide to do the latter.
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So they take the five grand and Clyde decides to take the shield.
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Tamika says in a confessional that she wants to show that she's a good faithful, and so she offers it to Clyde.
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What do you think about this decision?
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Do you think you would have taken the 10K or do you think you would have taken the 5K and the shield?
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I guess it would depend on who I went in there with.
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Um and then also where I feel the most comfortable, which is a very vague non-answer.
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It would depend.
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Um it would probably depend who I went in there with, and then if I feel comfortable about them going in.
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I would probably go in with a mindset like Clyde.
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Um in terms of like some one of us should take it and we keep it a secret.
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In the first crypt, I think in terms of like the conversation that Abby brought up, she's like, I saw you with a chain or something like that.
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They should have been more descriptive about what was in the chest.
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Because there were coins, there were chains, there were different pieces of like quote unquote treasure, but there wasn't a shield.
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Yeah, I don't know why they felt the need to, why Arissa specifically felt the need to say like there's nothing else there.
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Like she could have just said what was inside, and I think people would have believed her.
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Yeah, not really being able to describe why exactly she did what she did.
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Because every time she describes something, it seemed Arissa was just digging herself slowly and slowly into a hole.
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Um, because there wasn't any rationale behind she she was being truthful, but it was just there's no real believable rationale behind that truth.
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Also, they keep saying Abby Al, which is like the the Asian woman astrophysicist.
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Who the hell is the other Abby?
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Oh, other Abby is one of the quote unquote dolls.
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The really southern girl who didn't know what a coffee maker, a French press coffee maker was.
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Oh, okay, okay, okay.
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That's the other Abby.
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She's just having the gays show her the world, and she's living her best, like, you know, I don't know, sex in the city slash Emily in Paris life.
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I mean, I will say that purple outfit that she wore to breakfast, stunning with a fur coat.
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I'm I'm actually very impressed by Arissa's outfits.
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Yes.
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She's looked so cute.
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Yes.
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Very Heathers.
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That's a good reference.
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Yeah.
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Like very chic.
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Like prep school.
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Yeah.
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Very Heathers, very a little bit clueless, um, but very well put together.
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She's looked cute as hell.
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The faces beat every time.
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Yeah, she's looking perfect.
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Yeah.
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Too bad her game is not perfect.
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I'll come back to that.
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And then the in the third crypt, Michael and Ben decide to go in, and they have the option to take 15 grand or five grand and secret information on the traders.
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They decide to go the latter, and the clue is last night, two players battled it out in plain sight to be a trader.
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And they say, Oh, we're gonna snatch some wings tonight.
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And so they go in.
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The cast is pissed because they only took home half of what they could have taken.
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And now the traders are a little bit nervous, especially Katie, who of course was one of the accomplices.
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I think this was a good subtle clue.
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It didn't incriminate anyone specifically, but it did um humorously lead people to pick up on and remember really odd behaviors.
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So it is a reminder that if you're doing too much, it can be interpreted as traitorous behavior.
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But in terms of like this hint about the traitors, they didn't communicate it correctly.
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And so that annoyed me really bad.
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It was so frustrating because Michael makes it seem like it's gonna be this whole there was a whole ceremony and things like that.
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The it was them fighting it out to find out who it was, and we see that with Christy bringing up like, well, Xavier's gone.
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Could he have been one of the people fighting it out?
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One o'clock.
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What like I was very impressed that she put that together only because she was so wrong in episode one and two.
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So very smart of Christy, like, okay, Mississippi smarts coming out, like represent.
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Um for those of you who don't know, I'm from Mississippi, so um, but like, is she gonna be that that on top of the right answer all the time?
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Probably not.
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Um, I'd be willing to bet against her, but very good job, Christy.
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When we get to the round table, Abby calls Arissa out for what she thought was a shield, but it was just the string part of the candice bag.
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Michael and Ben, again, reveal the clue to the cast, reminding people that two players had battled it out in plain sight to be a traitor.
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And this is where the whole Arissa holding hands with Victor an episode or two ago, when she was trying to like feel Victor's energy and to see whether or not he was a traitor based on this.
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And they wonder whether or not this was some sort of like recruitment, seduction ceremony, a ritual that Arissa was performing on Victor to recruit him as a traitor.
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And so I would say like it's not the worst evidence if we're going off of anything, right?
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Um, but it is a reminder that, yeah, if you do weird shit, it's going to be seen as traitorous behavior.
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Because honestly, when you're in a castle with just like 20 people, when you're trying to find the traitors, everything looks a little sus.
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They really don't have much to go off of.
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So it really just kind of stinks that like they held on to that, held on to that like Arissa held on to Victor's hands.
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I would have explained more about like why she did that, but also maybe she got cut off in terms of like the discussion at the round table.
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Because her rationale, while it is very far-fetched, was like, yes, I was doing some kitschy little thing, but also like I have I'm a I don't know if she's communicated that she's a dog groomer.
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So like, because that was her rationale in the confessional.
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She's like, I have to understand how different people and dogs are interacting and like their vibes and whatnot.
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I don't I don't know.
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Actually, you know what?
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I'm backtracking that.
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Her rationale doesn't make any fucking sense.
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Like, are she is she holding on to dog's paws and trying to figure out if they're lying to her?
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Or like, or is she doing that to her customers who are paying for the dog room?
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She's definitely doing that with the dogs.
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It doesn't make sense.
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It doesn't make sense at all.
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So Arissa, I'm sorry, you look so cute, but that's nuts.
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It was weird.
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I also think that her, even though her the content of what she was saying was good, I think her delivery was really defensive, unfortunately.
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And I understand because if you're being falsely accused of being a traitor, I do think your your guard goes up so immediately.
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But I don't think it helped her that she was being very reactive and very defensive in these moments, where I wish that she could have just done what you did, like and explain it as calmly as possible, that even though it looked super suspicious, it was really just like this like jokey thing that she was doing with Victor.
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Um and I would have even respected Arissa if she said something like, you know what?
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I just wanted a reason to touch Victor.
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I was just about to add that.
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I was like, he just had his like little girlfriend get eliminated, so now I'm trying to make a move on him.
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Like I wanted to hold I wanted to hold his hand and not make it too weird.
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But also, Victor should have said he hoped he's not being murdered right then.
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Like it he's got goldfish memory, and yeah, they're he's they're on a TV show and there's a lot of stuff going on, so like, can I blame him?
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Yes, I can.
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Um, but but only because we're sitting here watching the show.
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So um he should have used his pretty little head and said something like, I didn't mind it because I got to hold Arissa's hands and she's cute as hell.
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And also, Naya, she called out, you're letting her just go to the wolves and like not even defending.
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It was like, yes, I thought it was weird, but I don't think she's a traitor.
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It puts Victor in a tough position because I do think he was trying to go into this round table a little bit more reserved because he already got so much heat from the last round table.
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So I understand why he didn't jump in to save Arissa, because I think he was just trying to save his own ass.
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Um, but it did make him look guilty for not jumping in and saying anything.
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So I think at a minimum he could have said, you know, I was there, of course.
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He held my hand.
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I didn't think anything about it.
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I just thought we were doing something silly together.
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Um, but now that it's brought to my attention, do I think it could have been like a recruiting tactic?
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No, I think it was really just Arissa, you know, doing something kishy.
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Anything, right?
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So, I mean, of course, it could have been edited out in all of that, but yeah, Victor really, I think, flopped.
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Yeah, I would also love to be in a tough position with Victor, though, too.
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So, you know, like you just have to be a dog groomer who picks up on energy, Peter.
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I'd love to be with Victor between a tough and a hard place.
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Oh my god.
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I'm keeping that in the edit.
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I'm keeping it.
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Okay, great, perfect.
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I mean, this is the this is on track for me talking about any of the hot men on these seasons.
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If we ever start a podcast, it should be called Unnecessarily Gay.
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Yeah.
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Um we were just talking about reality shows, but make it gay.
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Um so the whole Xavier getting murdered part also gets brought up.
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And Jay and Logan both bring up that Katie's name was tossed around by Xavier.
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And so this is what Chrissy brought up, what you were saying earlier.
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Chrissy says, Well, is it possible that Xavier was one of those two players vying to be traitors and then didn't win and therefore got murdered?
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That was such a great clock by her.
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I wish she had more credibility because I do think it would have really gone further.
00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:32.240
Yeah, she really I don't maybe it was just an offhand comment from her, too.
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Like she's thinking through things and she wasn't like too stuck on it, right?
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Because I if she would have said it to the right person, did she say it?
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She said it at the round table, yeah.
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Right.
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Okay.
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So maybe there was a maybe she said it more in an offhand way rather than in the midst of a whole discussion.
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Like, because I feel like Michael, as smart as he is, he probably could have put that together.
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He probably could have been like, oh.
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That's actually a good idea.
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And Xavier's gone.
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And he mentioned Katie's name.
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That I feel like that could have been picked up by someone who's a little bit more, who's got a little bit more gusto and like willing to like figure it out.
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Because like I don't it makes sense, but also everything makes more sense when we're watching it at home.
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But I was I was also like open mouth all day, oh damn.
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She's if she had more that credibility that like you mentioned, but like she just no one's gonna believe her after that first round table.
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Yeah, she sort of like pulled the Ron.
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Uh so I think she lost a couple points in the last episode, but it was a great clock.
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And so this leads Logan and Jay to both bring up uh Katie's name.
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And Joe and Tamika immediately jump in and save Katie, which I thought was a ballsy move on their part.
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They suck their necks out for Katie.
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Um and Joe says, I don't think it's Katie.
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And then Tamika goes, we are wasting time on people like Katie when we should be looking at people who are really traitors.
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I think Joe and Tamika have sort of like this mom and dad energy that immediately commands a lot of attention without it being overbearing.
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And so I think they just carry themselves really well and have garnered obviously like clearly like a lot of respect on this cast.
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And so I think people were just willing to listen to them.
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Totally.
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I you even hear that like Joe and Tamika actually recognize that too, or at least Joe does, um, because when they were deciding between between Xavier and Katie, he even said, like, in the turret, like Tamika and him have the bed set up, the posters up, the music, their music is playing, and so they need someone who can compliment their little traitor ship.
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So like I think he definitely definitely feels that Tamika.
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I think she does too.
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She just hasn't like vocalized that in a confessional.
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I think they are definitely like kind of respected in the cast, um, which should also raise some alarm bells to the rest of the cast, too.
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That like, oh, it can't be them.
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We trust them so much.
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One of the things that also is brought up is Victor versus Michael.
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So Victor thinks it could be Michael because his theory is if the traders know that Michael is a lawyer, why wouldn't they get rid of him?
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Because he's so smart and could put things together.
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And why would they keep someone like Michael around?
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Which I think is a pretty logical observation.
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And immediately Joe uh jumps in and supports Michael and says, Michael's a great guy.
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I don't think there's any way that he could be a traitor.
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Um, and so that sort of like squashes Victor immediately.
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So at the end, you find out that it is Arissa who is banished from the game, and she reveals that she is a faithful.
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Um, what are your thoughts?
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Is there anything Arissa could have done to save herself?
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She could have given a little bit more detail about um the crypt to make that less of a thing.
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The hand holding thing, I really think, just like kind of like solidified it because it was the only thing that was public that was just too much.
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After the round table, Michael goes up to Joe and thanks him for defending him at the round table and says, I grew up with a lot of people looking like you, and I just want you to know that the 30-year-old man that's sitting in front of you really appreciates it, and the 14-year-old kid really appreciates it.
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And I literally started sobbing watching this.
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This was I was crying too.
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I was crying too.
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It was any gay kid watching this knows this feeling.
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And it's like hard to describe it um exactly, but just to have because Joe looks like, you know, very like a masculine man with like a strong New York accent.
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:18.079
And I think you can stereotype him as someone that might be like conservative or judgy or um have very strong ideas of what a man should be or shouldn't be.
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Um and for him to defend Michael, a gay man, it obviously was very powerful for Michael.
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And so, and everyone watching too.
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And I love that they hugged, and I love that they also did it in a group of other men in the room, too.
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Um, I thought it was really nice that they kept in Joe's confessional when he said, you know, I really um like Michael, and I really hope that he doesn't see this as a deceptive move that I was doing, that he knows that I was really genuine about backing him up at the round table.
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:59.680
So I'm glad production kept that because I do think the audience could have easily perceived that as like, you know, a deceptive thing to garner trust, right?
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:05.759
So um a beautiful scene in a reality television show, and you know, more of that.
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:07.359
It was very, very sweet.
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.720
So commend you, Joe.
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I'm giving you a little applause.
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.599
Um Yeah.
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:16.559
I don't think it was, I don't think Joe defending Michael was deceptive.
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I do think it was strategic.
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Yeah.
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:21.359
And I think that's different, right?
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:28.960
Like I think Joe defending Michael keeps Michael in playing, keeps Michael around to trust Joe later on.
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:40.720
Um, but I do think Joe didn't necessarily understand the more emotional impact of that defense for Michael until afterwards.
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In another room, Abby and Sherry are chatting, and Sherry says to Abby, we need to start looking at the men because there's no way all three traitors are women.
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And then Abby goes, How do you know there's three traitors?
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I don't know if this was the clock that Abby thinks it was, you know.
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Oh, a hundred percent.
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:09.039
The other thing is that Abby says she responded to her that way, but I didn't see that.
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.960
She did not just respond that way.
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:11.519
Yeah.
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:12.079
Yeah.
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:19.839
This is like one of those things that like she should have vocalized that it's that was in her mind.
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:29.039
Like she thought that rather than saying that, because like she never says what Sherry says back to her, and there's no evidence that she said that.
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:33.759
So like it's a very half-baked take it and run.
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:42.960
And I really it's kind of wild because a lot of the Abby's, a lot of Abby's takes are half-baked, and she's an astrophysicist.
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.440
It's like book smart but not street smart.
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:52.960
You know, it's unfortunate because the show I think also um really fixates on Freudian slips too.
00:28:53.119 --> 00:29:04.480
And so, yeah, I think we all can misspeak from time to time, but unfortunately, in the last four episodes, in the first four episodes, that has been really been weaponized against everybody.
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:09.440
I mean, being misheard, misspeaking, it just sort of happens.
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:13.359
But I guess like in a game like this, you sort of have to go off of everything.
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:21.599
Yeah, like from what we're seeing, it seems very evident that why people would pick up on that.
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:31.920
But like, if you're thinking about how much is left on the cutting room floor of the producer and editors like seeing, like it's gotta be the only thing they can really grasp onto.
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:37.440
The next scene that we see is Jay, Christy, Clyde, and Joe sitting in a room.
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:47.519
And earlier in the round table, Jay had said that he is a uh body language expert, but refuses to say who he thinks is exhibiting suspicious body language.
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.119
He wants to like hold on to that.
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:57.920
And so the group is pushing Jay to say, like, hey, like, don't hold on to your suspicions, like, bring them out so that we can sort of talk them out with you.
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.359
And so then Jay goes, I just want to hold on to it a little bit longer.
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.079
And everyone's like, uh, I cannot stand Jay.
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:07.359
I'm gonna say that from the jump.
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:17.039
He reminds me of a pick-me guy from middle school or high school who is just like kind of all over the place.
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:30.559
There's not a real concrete thought in his brain, but also you find he's full of surprises these two episodes, because I very much thought he was a homosexual.
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:42.079
And while he may be part of the Rainbow Mafia, the alphabet mafia, excuse me, um I he's married to a woman, which we find out later.
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:42.799
That's right.
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:44.079
Um that's right, listeners.
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:49.920
Jay, the physician, spreading his legs in front of everybody to a woman.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.599
Married to a woman.
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:57.119
They met in band in school, high school, middle school, whatever.
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.599
But I also did some creeping on Instagram.
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.759
They've been married for 14 years.
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.359
Um they do look like festival going people.
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:14.240
I saw like a festival thing, so maybe he's just a festival boy um and falls into the spectrum of queerness.
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:19.839
So, you know, all all God's children, I was gay once, it's fine.
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.119
Um, and that is an easy A reference if anyone can claw it.
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:24.079
All God's children.
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.599
All God's children, I was gay once, it's fine.
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.839
Um, but uh yeah, Jay is definitely he becomes really annoying.
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.960
And anyone who's already watched the episode, you know this.
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:51.759
Um, but like if it's not anyone that you're currently talking to that is raising suspicion, you should have no reason to like withhold a name unless you truly like, I really don't have any evidence.
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.119
You preface it heavily and then you share the name.
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:55.359
Yeah.
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.359
Be like, keep an eye on this person.
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.119
I don't have any evidence at all.
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.000
Be very upfront.
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:06.240
Be like, but this person is like ringing alarm bells in my brain when I see them interact with other people.
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:07.599
Like, that's all you have to do.
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:08.480
I agree.
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.200
I think he just needs to share just enough.
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.880
But he is either he's like a very like all or nothing type of guy.
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:28.720
And so it's very difficult to work with someone that is all or nothing because it either feels like you're withholding, which makes you suspicious, or you just say whatever comes to your mind without thinking about it, which I think makes you difficult to work with.
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:37.920
So the fact that he can't be strategic or moderate what he wants to share, um, to me makes him a bad faithful.
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.680
So let's jump into this episode's mission.
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:53.039
So there are two carts with barrels in it that the cast has to push across three gates, but behind them is the parade of death.
00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:02.319
And if the parade of death catches up to you, anybody that it touches is uh up for murder and they're shortlisted for murder.
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:18.720
So we find out that at each gate, there needs to be two to four people who have to stay behind and essentially sacrifice themselves to be up for murder to allow the rest of the cast to push the carts and the barrels to the finish line.
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:33.359
So the players who sacrifice themselves and therefore are shortlisted for murder are Naya, Victor, Morgan, and Mark, Tamika, Christy, Joe, Clyde, Sherry, and Abby.
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:45.119
Jay, the entire mission says, listen, if you let me get to the end of this mission, I will reveal who I think is a traitor.
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.839
The entire time people are like, shut up, Jay.
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.319
Like it was it was giving shut up, Meg for Family Guy.
00:33:52.640 --> 00:34:12.079
And I was like, this guy, the fact that he thinks his hypothesis is more important than anyone else's and warrants him the chance to make it to the end of the mission without having to sacrifice, is 100% narcissistic behavior.
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:13.360
Like, give me a break.
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.679
You are so self-centered right now.
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.800
It's so annoying.
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:24.719
And this is this is the challenge where he reveals he met his wife in band, he knows how to march.
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.719
To be honest, though, I will say this challenge was freaky.
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:39.199
I was a little freaked out by it because I maybe it's just the tone of the death parade and like the the moments.
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:48.800
To be honest, I was telling my friend that I was watching with that like I would ask production, can I just like hang on to the cart?
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.559
I do not want to be in a cage.
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.360
Like, this is a little too freaky for me.
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:59.119
But Jay, this is where he drops he was in band, and he also reveals he was a trumpet player.
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.239
And you know what?
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:06.480
The annoying person in middle high school band that was very much a pick me, they were also a trumpet player.
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:14.960
And also, while trumpets are beautiful instruments and can make great noise, trumpet players are very annoying.
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:21.199
They're either a really cool person who's very skilled at playing the trumpet, or they're a pick me and they're very annoying.
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:28.159
I don't know if you want to play the trumpet, Matt, or if you played any other instruments, but like trumpet players, fucking annoying.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:37.119
It's so funny because there's like probably a personality structure for each instrument, and uh every every sort of like field has something like that.
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:38.239
Yeah.
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:44.960
I was a woodwind, and now I'm a homosexual, so all the woodwind players you know are gay.
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:45.599
No.
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.639
No, no, they're not, but I like putting wood in my mouth.
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:58.480
Uh um but this is why we have the explicit warning on our um podcast, guys.
00:35:59.199 --> 00:35:59.519
Yeah.
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:08.480
I will I will say though, before we move on, because we've wrapped up the challenge, is that like we got a lot of muscle action in the last two challenges.
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:18.400
We got the battering ram for the crypts, we got these barrel rolling and gate turning and all this other stuff of pulling stuff.
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:26.239
So we got a lot of a lot of images of the some of the some of the muscly men in the cast putting in work.
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.239
Mark did say that like he's like, I'm a personal trainer.
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:35.280
I this is what like this is where my skill set really comes into handy.
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.039
You get some b-roll of mark in the shower showing off those abs.
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.280
Go check out his Instagram.
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.039
He looks fine as hell.
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.599
Um, I also love a little Himbo in a jersey.
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:55.119
Like, he's like a very stocky, short guy, but like who cares about height when you're that jacked?
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.400
He's giving like old school Abercrombie and Fitch model.
00:36:58.800 --> 00:36:59.199
Yes.
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.639
You know, like locker room Abercrombie photo shoot.
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:03.360
Yeah.
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.239
He's got that, is it a hockey jersey?
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:06.800
I don't know.
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:14.239
I don't really I don't I like walking watching hockey even before he did rivalry, but like he's looking fine as hell.
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.239
There's one point, and just to can keep going and then I'll wrap that up.
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:24.880
Um at one point he's wearing the jersey at the round table and he lifts his arms up above his head.
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:41.679
Yes, and they cut it right before it might have shown a little bit of his mid drift, and I was about to like bite off like my fist um because I was yearning the entire two episodes that can't were released.
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:43.039
So um, okay.
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:44.239
That's all I have to say.
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:45.599
I got my thirst out.
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.480
So we're calling this Peter's gay corner, okay?
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.480
We're just gonna have his thirst corner for 30 seconds.
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:56.079
You get to say whatever gay shit you want to say.
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:57.519
Amazing.
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:58.719
That was awesome.
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.199
It's it's our version of I don't think so, honey.
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:02.239
Yes, exactly.
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.719
30 seconds of thirst.
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:11.519
Um, I was gonna ask you, but it I feel like it's irrelevant now given that you're you're thirst corner.
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:16.159
But I was gonna say, you know, is there a strategy for a mission like this?
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.679
As a trader, would you have sacrificed yourself?
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:24.400
Um, would you have taken the Tamika route, which it sounds like that's what she ended up doing, right?
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.159
Wanted to look like she was a faithful.
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.039
What what's your what's your take on this?
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:37.440
I would probably put up a little bit of hesitancy and then go with Tamika in terms of the way she did it.
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.400
She held on, she wasn't the first person to volunteer.
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:49.039
I think Tamika is who I would follow in route of, but I would be wary about how many times you volunteer yourself to like stay behind.
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:49.440
Yeah.
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:58.000
Um, I think Joe's pretty he's flying under the radar pretty well, but I think that's also his dad personality too, coming out.
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:58.800
What about you?
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:03.360
I think Joe does a good job again, being sort of like the dad of the group.
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:09.679
And so he is flying under the radar for someone that talks a lot, which I find really interesting.
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:26.960
And I think Tamika is doing a great job always inserting herself, giving herself any opportunity to be able to see what's inside Crypts, see what's inside things, um, so that she has extra information while also remaining very faithful to people.
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.679
And I think that's a very good skill and that not many traders possess.
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.239
And I think Tamika does a really good job doing that.
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.920
She, I think, is by far the best trader so far out of the three of them.
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.159
I think she's playing a really good game.
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.599
Um, but in this mission, I think I would have done the same.
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:52.400
I would have refused to not sacrifice myself in the first um gate because it looks like you're too quick to offer yourself up.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.960
I would have waited until like maybe the third gate and been like, I'll just do it.
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:58.239
It's fine, I'll take one for the team.
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:03.199
I feel like you just have to like time your altruism at some point.
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:12.079
I do love that I love and kind of am annoyed by Abby L um because of her half-baked ideas.
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:17.840
But the very first leave behind people, she was like, Victor, this is how you can prove yourself.
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:20.960
She like full ass points at him.
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:22.800
It's like, this is how you can prove yourself.
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:23.679
Like, stay behind.
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.679
And he's like, fine, blah, blah, blah.
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:26.559
I know.
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.159
He's such a sad puppy.
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:29.599
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.199
Sad, sweaty puppy.
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.400
Um the other thing is uh Katie will have to.
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:54.239
I mean, we'll find out once we get to the very end of this episode, but she does explode on Jay, and he's the one who brought her up at the last round table, and she's if she's planning to stick around, she's gonna have to nip that in the bud because um she's letting her colors show.
00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:04.000
Well, but also I think that anyone with their name called out and someone who's being as annoying as Jay, like, would explode on him.
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:09.360
Um, so like I think that's the only thing that I would say about her gameplay right now.
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:17.360
She's got the heat on her already, and there's not really anyone else other than getting rid of Jay as a bad faithful.
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.760
That's kind of the only thing she has to go off of.
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.079
But um those just my last thoughts on that.
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.119
When we get into this round table, which is the end of this episode, we actually don't see who gets banished.
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.719
Um, Jay immediately wants to go into Katie.
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:42.239
And so it looks like the three names that are going to be tossed around at this round table are Katie, Jay, and Sherry, um, which I think are three interesting players, they're all three very different players.
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:53.760
Um, I do think that this is going to backfire on Jay only because Jay is an unreliable source and he's already been perceived as an unlikable player.
00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:05.760
And so if it was maybe um Clyde or maybe even Michael who called out Katie, I think it would land a little bit better.
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.840
I think it would have maybe even let led Katie to being banished.
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:18.000
But because it's Jay that's leading the charge, I do think it's gonna be harder for people to side with him because everyone likes Katie a lot.
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:29.920
Yeah, I think it's it's really gonna depend on his positioning and what else he brings to the table, because all he has to go off of is Xavier said Katie's name.
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.920
Logan agreed with him when he brought up Katie's name, and then Katie exploding on him.
00:42:36.320 --> 00:43:18.800
Um, I think based off of the confessionals from Tamika and Joe, I think more so Joe, that he's gonna have to defend Katie, which they already did in the last one, but I feel like they have an easy, not an easy out, but they're gonna they have a way out with Jay bringing up Katie if that's the only evidence he has, because Jay brought up her name first, and then Logan's gone, and he looked directly at Logan to back him up, and they could use that as like maybe you got rid of Logan to get the heat off of you for saying her name to make it look like it's Kate, like you know, that sort of positioning I think could work.
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:19.920
Yeah, I agree.
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.960
I think it will depend also on who backs Jay up, also.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.639
If it's someone that's credible, I do think Jay's point will get across a little bit easier.
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:40.079
I think Katie has an easy defense in all of this and saying it wouldn't be too obvious if I was the trader and I took out the two people that said my name.
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:48.880
Um, and I think that would be a good defense for Katie to use because yeah, it's she's sort of like trying to double bluff people in this in this way.
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:56.079
Um, and using Jay's lack of credibility and like ability, I think is would be a good useful tool for her.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.679
I would also be interested to see if Christy's name is actually brought.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.519
Up because of the last name that Jay said at the challenge.
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.159
So I would be interested interested to see his rationale there.
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.760
Jay is just such a they I think Cherry actually mentions it.
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:13.679
He's sucking the air out of the room.
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.760
Similar to Michael Rappaport back in the back in the last season.
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:24.000
They need to get rid of traders, but if a bad faithful is holding them up from getting rid of traders, you gotta get rid of the bad faithfuls.
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:24.880
I agree.
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:25.519
Yeah.
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.920
So we'll see what happens next episode.
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.360
We will not have a new episode next week.
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.360
Um, and so the next episode will be Thursday, October 8th.
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.880
So it sounds like this is why they gave us two episodes this week.
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:49.599
The other thing that I think I mentioned before we started recording is I'm curious in the Peacock app, they positioned this as season five of Traders.
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:55.920
So I'm curious because season one, they had a combo celeb and normies.
00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:09.440
I'm curious if they're going to continue this like normy season, celeb season, normie season, celeb season, and maybe try to return to a half and half now that there's a precedent for how the game works.
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:09.760
Yeah.
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.199
Well, personally, I think they should keep it separate because it's Me too.
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.159
It it would be the same situation as season one.
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:25.760
Now that people know how to play the game, it would be the same situation of people who know TV, know how to interact, and like are ready to let it go.
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.079
People who are normies will be a little bit starstruck and be a little bit more quiet.
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:37.440
Um even if they are ready and willing to play the game, I think they need to follow suit with the UK in terms of having it separate.
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:38.239
I agree.
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:39.840
Um I agree.
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.360
I hope they keep it separate.
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:47.360
So we'll be back in two weeks for our next recap when the traders release their next episode.
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.760
It's probably going to be one episode a week now.
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.840
So um we'll be following that.
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.679
So thanks guys for coming back for our recap of the traders' new blood.
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.639
We'll be back later this week with our recaps of everything Housewives.
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:08.960
So please like, subscribe, follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at Your Too Much Pod, and leave us a five-star review wherever you listen to our show.
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:15.599
Also, I wanted to share with everybody that I just started a like little tiny small business on the side.
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:22.079
I guess it's like a party planning thing, where I'm gonna basically help you host your own traders party.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.639
Um so I've hosted a couple.
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:26.079
Peter's been to one of them.
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:30.079
I really enjoy doing them, and so I wanted to take it on the road.
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.559
So um I just finished the website.
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:42.239
So if you're interested in learning more, go to www.thebanishmentclub.com and check out uh my new website.
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:43.360
My gosh.
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.960
And also, um, I did not know this, so surprise for me.
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.320
But I can vouch for Matt's party planning skills.
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.079
It was so much fun.
00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:03.519
Um, also challenges that are not they're like based off of some of the or inspired by some of the things that we see on the show, but like they're very different.
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.599
So a lot of fun.
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:15.760
Um, I mean, when I played it, I was a little stoned, so that's why I I got pretty far and then fucked it up at the end.
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:17.760
But um, it was so much fun.
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.880
And also, Matt has a great group of friends too, so that also helps.
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.400
It was so much fun.
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.880
Um, so I can vouch for it if you need it.
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I'll I'll leave a review.
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:27.199
Oh, thanks.
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:27.840
Yeah.
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:28.400
Yeah.
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Um so check it out if you want to, you know, see what the party's about.
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.719
And so there's a cute little video I made too.
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:36.719
What was that website again, Matt?
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.920
www.thebanishmentclub.com.
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Nice.
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:42.559
Yeah.
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.880
I listened to enough podcasts that I'm like, oh wait, what was that URL?
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.519
All right, guys, we'll see you in two weeks.
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And remember, you never chose the right people.
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Love ya.
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Bye
