S1 E17 Self Control

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Darling, why'd you go and listen?
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They ain't got nothing good to say.
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Now there's so much life you're missing.
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So-called friends led you astray.
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You know the devil keeps us company.
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With all this bright and shiny things.
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Also on the livestream, you don't hear everybody singing because we don't
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have mics situated to like pick up the audience
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or the congregation. That may help too. Yeah, with the room filling, house noise.
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And so, which you don't really want a ton of that,
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but no, but it helps. This is so during COVID
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or maybe I don't remember, at different points in our life I've sat in different
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spots in the sanctuary. Have y'all moved around? No. You,
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you sit in the pinner row? I was born in the pinner row.
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Okay. All right. Well, have you moved around?
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Not in a long time. Not really. Okay. Well, if you get brave,
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you can do that. But we sit in the balcony some, like front of the
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balcony, back of the balcony. I've sat under the balcony,
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back in the back. For what? I don't know.
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Maddie's just— Maddie's not really a creature of habit. But you said for COVID,
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I think it started during COVID maybe, or when we were coming back from COVID
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It was just like, let's go sit different places and like, oh, your dad was
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still interacting with people. Yeah, I wasn't preaching, so it was like we could sit
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wherever. I hated the balcony so much. Is it weird? Because you
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can't hear anybody sing. Everybody's in front of you, or the bulk
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of the people are down below, and then there's only like 4 or 5 rows
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or whatever it is. And so You just can't hear anybody,
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uh, sing up there. And then you don't want to sing because you don't want
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to be the only one. Yeah, it feels— yeah, it feels like, oh, we're gonna—
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well, nobody's singing, but it's like, no, mumble a little bit.
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There's 300 people in the room, but you can only see— you can't even see
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most of the congregation from up there. Yeah, you're seeing the corners, right? Yeah.
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And then the very back row, we sit on the back row down on the
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bottom, and I hated that too because I couldn't hear anybody. And so I guess
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I just had grown up sitting up front.
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I like hearing everybody sing behind me. Like, I like when somebody right
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behind me, whether it's William Seal or Gary Litton or Jeremy Bertrand
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or whoever sits behind us, I love it when they're belting it,
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even if it's bad. I don't care. I just like— that makes
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me want to sing more, you know? So that's not what this
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episode's about by any means. Singing, the spiritual gift of singing.
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Do you feel like we should sit in the same spot every week?
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Why do we? Why do you? I don't know. Why do you? Just where we
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sit. I'm a creature of habit. Okay. For sure. Yeah.
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If I get used to doing something, I usually don't want to change it.
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Even if there's some— even if I know that there's— it's weird.
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Even if I know that there's something better, but I'm set in my ways on
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it and like, I don't want— I don't want to. Do you order the same
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thing at every restaurant too? No, I've got a— you've got a few.
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I've got at least got it. Yeah, I'm gonna realize, and I will once I
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get used to the restaurant, like, okay, this place is good, I'll venture
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out. But I, I usually stick with what I know. Yeah, we're just on a
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trip, you went to new places. Yeah. How do you handle that? Well,
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that's— so everything's relative, right? So if I go to Mexican food, I know
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that, you know, fajitas is probably the best thing, okay, to try.
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So, or, you know, something of that nature. Do you
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ever ask Hey, we're brand new here. We've never been here before.
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Probably not going to come back again. What should we get? Very often.
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Yeah. Do you actually order it? No.
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I knew you were going to say that. The waitress is like,
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okay, why'd you ask? You just get her recommendation and
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then don't order it? Are you serious? Sometimes. That sounds good. I'll take the tacos
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instead. Yeah, let me get the fajitas, please.
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Oh my word. What about you?
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Uh, with the restaurants? Yeah, I like to mix it up. If it's
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a new place, I'll be like, if it's Mexican, like, yeah, I'm gonna go tacos
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or fajitas or quesadillas, something simple until I
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know it's good. And I'm like, oh, this, this dish looks— sounds good, let me
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try this. And yeah, I don't know, I like to try different
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fish, different fish meals. I like fish. Yeah, I'm— man, fish,
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you do like fish. I like like shrimp, grouper. I'm very careful,
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very careful with the Seafood. I like it. I just don't— I love
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it. I've been— I've gotten food poisoning too. Yeah,
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you got to be careful with shrimp tacos. Can't just go eating seafood from
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everybody. I do though. Why don't you tell us about your first date with Kennedy?
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Did we already do that on the podcast? I don't think so.
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Maybe. I don't know. You get food poisoning a lot, don't you?
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No, I've only had it once. Kennedy had it. Maybe I just— what about the
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Christmas party? Oh yeah, I don't know if that was food poisoning. You were just
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vomiting after you ate it? Just Because what do you call that? It was so
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spicy. I don't know, that's the most spiciest thing I've ever eaten, and it tore
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me up. But I don't think it was food poisoning. I think my stomach was
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boiling. I felt the literal fire, and I was like, what spice level
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did you pick that time? Not even the highest. Here was the highest. I picked
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like here, right below it. They lied to me. They said, oh, we're gonna get
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this kid, and they got me. That was not fun. That is funny. But my
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first date with Kennedy? Yes. Okay, we went to Cheddar's. Because that was her favorite
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restaurant. We'd been dating for a little bit. Y'all are 15?
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16. So you— she drove? You drove? She drove. I don't know. I didn't
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have a car yet, but she did. She had her license. I didn't have my
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license. She drove, um, went to Cheddar's.
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Maybe we went to a movie also. I can't remember. But we got
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there and she's— I love this story— chicken Alfredo. She loves
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chicken Alfredo. And I was— I don't even know what I got, but I knew
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she knew she was gonna get that. The waiter comes up, would you like to
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try any appetizers? Starts listing every appetizer And I
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plan on getting one. He said spinach dip first. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah,
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let's get spinach dip. We like that. He said, would you like this also?
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And I'm like, yeah, sure. I was nervous. I think we
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got like 3 appetizers. What? I don't even know what. I know we got spinach
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dip, maybe chips and salsa too, and something else maybe. Do they
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have the Bloomin' Onion or? I don't know. No. You're 16. Yeah, but I was
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nervous. First date. Well, how— what was the bill?
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It actually wasn't bad. I spend way more now if we go out to eat.
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I think it's like $65. Yeah, but back then I got like 3 appetizers
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and 2 meals and probably 2 sweet teas. I'm like,
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inflation exists. You kept saying yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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another. Yeah, I'll take some. Oh, that's good, that's good. And then they came out
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with all these appetizers. Did y'all eat it all? Probably not. Yeah, probably not.
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I just remember I was like worried, like, do I have enough money in my
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pocket right now? And, and luckily I did somehow.
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So, so you didn't, uh, you didn't Wouldn't
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say that, that you were, um, very self-controlled.
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That's where I was going. No, that's where I was going. Took Byron's— you got
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it. You knew what I was thinking. So welcome back, everybody.
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Today we're gonna be talking about self-control. And as a 16-year-old boy,
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amongst a lot of things, when it comes to food, I did not have self-control.
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Um, we could all give an example. Yeah, I think food
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is a one for all of us. I mean, even, even now, shoot.
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I've got a question. I've got a question to start, maybe.
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Is there a skill that you feel like you've mastered in
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life? Spreadsheets.
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Spreadsheets. I don't know. That is fitting.
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I would say, I would say, yeah. No one knows you mastered
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them. But here's the deal. I have realized with AI, look,
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my spreadsheets are getting better, but my knowledge of spreadsheets is getting worse because
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it's so easy to go into ChatGPT and go,
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I have this data and this data. I need it to do this, write the
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formula, and it will give me 4 options and I'll try it and it won't
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work. And then I'll go, it gave me this error, fix it. So I feel
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like I'm thinking less, but I'm producing some
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good things on spreadsheets. But I don't know. Yeah, but you still got to know
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how. You still have to know it to the point where you got to know
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the questions to ask it. Yeah, you got to know the right questions. So you
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got to kind of have to understand it. And you knew how to do it
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all before. I guess it's like math and like a calculator.
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You can use a calculator to do math, but you've got to know math
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to use the calculator. Yeah, I know what this sign means. Yeah. So there's
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some base level of knowledge. What was your question? What skill have
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I mastered? Do you feel like, or at least fire management
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on smoking briskets? I feel like I'm like with my smoker,
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I know what I'm doing. I know how long it's going to take. I know
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what, what to adjust or not adjust. Secondhand.
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Like, just, yeah. Fire management. That's a weird— those are 2 really weird
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skill sets. You use a spreadsheet to find out the right temperature?
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No, I haven't done that. There are guys out there that have spreadsheets.
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There's one guy, Rolling Bones Barbecue. He's, he's fun.
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I'm not necessarily recommending it. He does cuss from time to time, but like,
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he'll drop a spreadsheet all the time on recipes. Like,
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you don't do that. He's like, type in how much ground do you have and
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it'll give you all the seasonings, how much and this and that. Oh, he's made
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a formula. That's He makes lots of spreadsheets for each,
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like, recipe and thing that he does. That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, that's a double-edged
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scratch. That, like, my word, that is like colliding. That's your
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goal. Oh my, if only, if only. Okay,
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see, what skill have you mastered other than welding? Well, I mean, that's what I'd
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probably say is, uh, anything— to be specific, carbon steel.
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Yeah, mild steel. Okay, anything made out of— you don't like spicy
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steel or what? I'm speaking of things I don't even know.
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Well, mild steel, is that what you said? Yeah. So mild steel is just your
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common carbon steel. Yeah, it's nerd, nerd word.
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But, but yeah, so you've got stainless and you've got all kinds of different grades
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of steel, but in aluminum. Okay. All right. Yeah. So what is mild?
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Stainless? No, mild would just be like, like,
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I don't know, that actually may be aluminum, but anything
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made out of just regular structural steel. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah.
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I would say for myself, I don't know if I got— if I've mastered
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any skills. I feel like I got a lot, but I don't know,
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maybe it's because I'm younger than you guys. I don't know. I feel like I
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haven't mastered anything. Yeah, I wouldn't say— you see, what are you on your way
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towards? That's because I feel the same about that. That's kind of more— yeah,
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and fire management. I didn't practice for this test, so I don't
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know. This is— I thought it was fitting.
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Decent at running compared to— that's what I was going to say, was endurance
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compared to, I guess, the majority. But there's
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a lot of people better than me, so I know I'm— I know I'm not.
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But that doesn't mean you do— I know you have to be the best.
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Yeah, then there'd only be one person in the world for every subject.
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I have learned this past year a lot about running. I don't think I've mastered
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it because I didn't put it— I haven't put it into practice yet. But I
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know, like, if I do this, this much time, this I can get an injury
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if I'm not taking care of this. Like, I've gained a lot of knowledge now.
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Don't ask me how much I've ran this past month because I've been sick.
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I have not ran much at all. But I got to race this weekend.
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Race this weekend. Me, me and Shane. And what kind of race is this one?
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It's a last man standing. It's 4 miles. I think it's like 4.2.
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Terrible. Every hour on the hour. If you don't make it back within
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the hour, then you're out. So it's, it's until the last man is standing.
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So I'm not trying to win it. This is a practice. Your goal, like how
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many loops you're trying to do? About 10, 40 miles, 45 miles.
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There's one going on right now. It's called the Biggs Backyard Ultra.
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Yeah. And it's a worldwide competition. So all these nations have 15 runners
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in it and they're like counting how many all of them can do. Wow.
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They're on like lap or they call it yards, but like
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78. Is this over in Europe or something? Or it's all around
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the world. There were like 100 countries simultaneously. Simultaneously. Yeah.
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Gotcha. They're on loop like 78.
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So that means those guys have not slept in 78 hours.
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They might sleep for 10 minutes in between loops.
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That doesn't do it. Right. Right. It's unbelievable.
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I listened to a guy, Mark Dowdle.
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Dowdle. Dowdle. Dowdle. Yeah. Yeah.
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He won one big race. La Sol. La Sol Ultra.
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Yeah. It was in Germany, I think. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Anyways, he was
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talking about like how he just you keep— you get back and you got 10
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minutes and he's like, you just, you fall asleep and then you hear like the
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buzzer go off and you're like, you're back up. Like, it's just delusional.
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You hallucinate, you start seeing things. I've never ran that much, so I don't
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know. It's funny, which we're not here to talk about this, but like,
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so the US and Australia are like neck and neck. It's like literally going on
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right now. But Australia, think about what time it is right there
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right now. It's in the middle of the night, and those are the hardest hours
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to run, you start hallucinating. There's hallucinations and sleepiness and all that.
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Whereas the US now is in the day. So Australia is
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dropping runners. The US is holding steady. But here in a little bit, yeah,
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that's going to flip and Australia is going to be back in the daylight.
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You're going to get a burst of energy and the US is going to have
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to fight through the night and equal out a little bit. It's real close.
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Yeah. I mean, in the end, in the end, you still got to run.
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You still got to go 4 miles in an hour, which is not that hard.
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Not that far. No, that's pretty slow. They walk a lot.
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But they're at like, they're at like 350
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miles in the last 3 days, something on your body nonstop.
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I mean, that is, that's insane stupid. I'm not— there's
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a lot of them guys that do that stuff. So follow-up question, I'm not there.
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Uh, what does it take, right? What does it take to master
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something? A lot of time, a lot of patience.
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Yeah, a lot of patience. I mean, you can spend a lot of time at
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something, still be horrible. I know what you're looking for, it's self-control,
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but well, to describe— I'm trying to really dissect what
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it, what it really takes to master, uh, a skill or, or anything at
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that matter. I think it's being intentional because like you said, you can spend a
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lot of time and not really achieve what you're looking for. But if I'm intentionally
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gonna spend time running, studying, running, then I'm gonna get better. But if I don't,
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I'm just like, I'll just go run here and go run there. Like, yeah.
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I spend a lot of time, but I may not be getting better at protecting
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and recovery and doing the things I need to do.
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But I was thinking just want to.
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Yeah, just drive, desire. Like, you gotta
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want to be— motivation. Yeah, motivation,
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discipline. Because it's not always easy. You gotta want to learn.
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You gotta want to grow from mistakes. And like,
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like, I don't know. So I mean, that's how I learned how to control
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a fire and manage a fire is because I want to, because I
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like barbecue, right? Right. Yeah. And I want to design that final
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product. And then I also don't like failure,
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so I want to get better. So I'll power through the hard stuff.
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So I'll try stuff and do different things, and then it's like, okay,
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man. So yeah, you gotta— I think you want to— perseverance,
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um, good leadership. I think repetition too.
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Like, there is no substitute for— I've smoked
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hundreds of briskets at this point. Like, I just have.
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And I got a good feel for that. And I can't, I can't hand that
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over to anybody. I think it's the same with preaching. I feel that like Sunday
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I had very little time to prep my sermon, not because people didn't ask.
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People offered, you two in particular and Shane,
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but I didn't work on it until Sunday.
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Saturday afternoon I had written out the scriptures. I knew where it was going.
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Right. But I hadn't actually written anything down
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and I did it Saturday afternoon.
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Went smooth. Just another day. It was a good— it was just another day at
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the office and multiple people came up and were like, hey, that was pretty good.
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And I'm like, I'm not going to tell you when I started because— but it
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sometimes— but I think that's just— man, I've preached
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hundreds of times more than I've smoked briskets, that's for sure. Yeah.
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And so you just know. I think it's repetition too. Oh, for sure. You can't,
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you can't replace, uh, experience. Yeah.
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And the, just the, the repetitive, uh,
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effort to, to really try to learn something.
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Um, and I, and I, what I was saying earlier before you,
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when you said that, is, is I really think, you know, good leadership,
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which, yeah, leadership can't give you that rep. They can
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encourage you. They can show you how, uh, they've learned how to
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do it. But eventually it's like, okay, I know enough. I've got
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to just do it and figure it out. Do you feel like you learn,
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even though every, every brisket that you cook, do you feel like you learn a
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little bit each time or is it just— Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think
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so. Yeah. And every brisket's different. Or you can remember something that you forgot.
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I think I do that a lot. Like, yeah, you have a good refreshing— In
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my head though, like In my head, if I could explain to
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you how to cook a brisket, I feel like I could do it. I go,
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hey, it's simple. And I've said that to people before.
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I'm like, just, you know, you season it, you smoke it. And, you know,
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but then I start, if I think about every step I took,
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most of those are muscle memory at this point, right? Where to trim
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it, how much to trim, not, you know, how much seasoning
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to put on, when to put it on the smoker, where you put it on
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the smoker, how you position it, when you put foil. Then I start going,
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okay, it's not simple. In my head it's simple because I've done it 100
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times and I know what is going to produce them. But if you were to
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actually write down every single little bitty step, if you watched me and wrote down
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every step and decision I'd make, there's hundreds in that that
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matter in that process. And in my head it's like, really,
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there's 4. Cut it
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open, trim some fat off, season it,
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smoke it, rest it. Yeah, that's like the main
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thing. Slice it the right way. But then I start going, oh, there's a lot
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more to this than that. So anyway, I think about, uh,
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you're just talking about muscle memory things, like packing for a
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trip or packing. I'm thinking like church camp. Yeah, I will send
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out a detailed— like, I'm, I think the first year I told kids pack everything
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you would need, I think I was very vague. A lot of things
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they forgot. And then I'm like, the next year, okay, I started listing like,
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oh, I got like 25 things on this list, and they still forget it.
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They don't even read the list, but it's packing to go somewhere. I think as
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a kid, like, oh, I forget underwear, you know, that's happened. I forget my
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toothbrush. I forget, uh, you know, early on it's like, oh, do we get the,
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the sound machine for Lily? Or, you know, the kids. And it's
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like, after you do it a lot of times, you get good at it.
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I thought I was gonna stay the night with a friend the other day,
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and he— they were playing with the neighbors, and he ran in. He's like,
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oh, can I stay? Yeah, sure, that's great. Go get a bag. He got a
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bag, he came out. I mean, and I'm looking at the bag he's holding,
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I was like, there's clearly nothing in there. I mean, if there is, it's not
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a lot. He said, you can You said get in the bath. I was like,
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do you have shoes? Oh, oh yeah. He ran back in and grabbed shoes.
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Do you grab socks? Runs back in and grabs socks. What about
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underwear? I mean, like, there's only so much you need
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for one night. Like, he's coming back in the morning and dude
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got like 2 of the 6 things that you— anyway,
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he learned. Living and you learn. Yeah. Well, today we're finishing
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up the fruit of the Spirit, the 9th one. So let me read it
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again. But the fruit of the Spirit Spirit is love, joy,
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peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,
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self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified
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the flesh with its passions and desires.
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Um, so 9:1, is it significant, its placement,
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Casey? I think so. Yeah. How so? I think so. I think
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this is, um, This is the— I said this is the mastery.
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Like it's the final boss of the fruits, in my opinion.
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Bowser. I see it that way too. Yeah. Yeah.
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Because this is the, this is the most difficult thing to,
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to probably align ourselves with.
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And yeah, there's— is it,
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is it the KJV?
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KJV. What is it? What does it translate? Does it say— I think it's temperance.
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Oh. Yeah, what is the Greek— what is the Greek definition?
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Uh, yeah, it's the Greek word enkrateia,
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which, uh, means self-control or continence,
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temperance, dominion within, or mastery.
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Mastery. Yeah, yeah. So it probably uses temperance, I bet. Temperance.
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Yeah, which is also a very interesting word— temperance.
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What do you think of when you hear temperance? I think of alcohol
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for some reason. Wasn't there a movement, the temperance movement or something,
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with alcohol? Before my time. I'm not as old as you. I don't know.
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I think of like tempering something, like you temper chocolate
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when you're baking. Like you have to slowly bring it up
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to temperature, or sugars, uh, you have to temper.
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Don't you temper like metal? So there is a tempering process in metal.
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. That is just insane,
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um, all that goes into it.
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Yeah, so it's a picture of taking something and
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trying to make it tougher, right? And you can take
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metal and you can heat it up and you can quench it, and that
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makes it really hard, but it also makes it brittle. So what it— and
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what that does is it— whenever you heat something up and then you
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quench it fast, the atomic structure in the steel actually like binds and,
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and, uh, I guess kind of gets smaller.
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It, it, uh, shrinks just, just a
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little bit, but just enough to where if you were under any kind of stress
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or any kind of transfer of energy, it would break. So to
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temper metal, um, you've got to harden
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it, which means you heat it up, quench it, atomic stress happens,
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and then you heat it back up and it loosens that atomic stress just a
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little bit, and then you cool it down really
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slow. So there's differences in grades
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of steel. So you've got tool steel, which is not really tempered
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very much, very long, or very hot. Maybe, maybe the
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length is the same, but you don't temper it as hot as you would say
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spring steel. So you got tool steel, spring steel, mild steel.
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So different, different processes of tempering.
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But yeah, it's a massive process. And there's— you
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temper things differently compared to what you, you know, you want
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the end result to be. I'm thinking of like, have you ever watched Forged in
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Fire? They make the knives and swords. That's exactly what I'm thinking about. Yeah.
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And quenching them, but they're quenching them fast. They're not quenching them fast.
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So a lot of times blades, you'll— you
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want the hardness Uh, more than this. Yeah,
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more than you want, uh, ductility where it can just
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kind of go back to— whereas in a building with a beam, you need
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some— you need it to go be able to go back ductile. Yeah,
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yeah, almost memory. There's a— there's, there's things, you know, memory still,
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um, has a lot to do with it. But, but yeah, it's a— it's
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an amazing process of how to,
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um, and Honestly, whenever I read that, wouldn't it,
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uh, temperance, uh, I was like, is that the same?
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Is that the same root word? I don't know. I don't know if it is,
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but, but it makes, it makes sense. You could apply
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it here. Yeah, I think so. Which the application is, it's, it's a controlled,
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uh, cooling or controlled heating or controlled
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whatever, as opposed to just like uncontrolled, right?
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Right. Which you think about in life, like controlled anger
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can be directed in a good way, but uncontrolled
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anger is brittle like steel in that it cracks
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and breaks and even explodes, I think, right? Like there's some, there's some violence,
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yeah, uh, that goes along with it. And, and we're called
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to, as the Spirit has filled our lives, to be
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tempered, like to be in control of Right.
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What? Yeah. Yeah. So the— and to stay on
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the steel. So what you just said made me think
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of this is like the whole purpose of tempering a piece of metal is
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so that it can absorb energy.
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If you don't temper it, it cannot absorb energy.
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It'll just— like you said, it'll just explode or break.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, like I said, the— I think the highest form
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of tempered metal is spring steel. Like it is made to
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be able to withstand a bunch of energy.
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Yeah, it's pretty cool. And so in the human
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life, just making the connection there, or in the Christian life,
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like self-control is a learned thing
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that the Spirit produces in us over time. Like we ought to be getting more
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self-controlled as we go along so that we're less
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likely to explode when our wife
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disrespects us, or, uh, you know, just give
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in to crack cocaine in the parking lot, or, you know,
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like whatever that temptation is, we are more
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suited and more capable of dealing with that,
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that temptation, that desire in the right way, right? Uh,
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as opposed to maybe when we're young, it's like you
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just give in to everything because you just— not much thought process, not a whole
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lot of— yeah. Oh, okay. Control. Yeah, just a whole lot of movement.
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Say yes to the waiter when he keeps asking. Yeah, appetizers.
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Yeah, yeah, yes, we want spinach. That sounds great. Yeah, do y'all
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order 3 appetizers now? No, no,
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maybe one. Maybe. That is funny.
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Um, uh, but with what you're saying though, Brian, I think of one scripture that
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I wrote down that I wanted to look at, and I think it correlates here,
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is James 1:19-20, it says, my dear brothers and
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sisters, take note of this: everyone should be quick to listen,
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slow to speak, and slow to become angry,
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because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.
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So I follow that. Like, it doesn't say, hey, have self-control,
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but it's, hey, you need to speak slow. That is what this is talking about.
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Yeah, is don't be quick with your tongue and be tempered.
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Yeah. Be tempered when it comes to your speech and
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your anger. I think with men that's really important because that's
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like our go-to default is, yeah, I'm gonna— you
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insulted me, I'm gonna insult you back, or I'm gonna get angry, and I'm gonna
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act in that, so I read that, and I think
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back in my life. It's just as a younger kid I was
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not slow to those, you know. I was gonna get
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revenge, or you know whatever. I was gonna act out in my anger, and that's
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something that God's taught me throughout the years. And it doesn't mean I don't
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ever get tempted. I still do. And then I still fail at times. But yeah,
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those are the scriptures I think of. That word mastery,
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like to— and so to
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have mastered that feeling, right?
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To not allow it to master you,
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right? To be able to rule over it. And I think that's really the— that's
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the thread through all of this is through self-control.
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Like, that's where, that's where all these fruits lead up to, I believe,
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um, is, is being able to, uh, just rule
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over, um, to rule over sin,
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right? And not in the way maybe that, uh,
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that face value it seems like it says,
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you know, have the ability to just, you know,
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white-knuckle through willpower. Willpower. I don't know. It's so
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that there's— I think there's truth that, that, uh,
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that goes with that, right? We need to have some willpower. We need to be
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able to withstand some stuff, right? But I don't think that
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self-control is only that.
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Um, I wanted to read Matthew, uh,
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chapter 4, um,
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whenever Jesus went back to temptation, right? Yeah,
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we— one of the very first episodes,
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yeah, we talked about this and, and, um,
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But Jesus was tempted in the wilderness
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for 40 days, and he fasted for
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40 days. Fasted for 40 days and then was tempted
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at the end of it. And see here,
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where does it say about food?
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Okay, here we go. So the tempter came to him
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and said, if you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.
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Jesus answered, it is written, man shall not live on bread alone,
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but on every word that comes from the mouth of
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God. So it's not necessarily
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Jesus is trying to power through this,
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right? He's saying, no, I'm not going to allow my
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hunger to rule over me, right?
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And I think that that's the— you can take that analogy and Um,
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kind of review, you know,
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any of the fruits of the Spirit this way. Uh, love, joy,
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peace, patience, you know. Um, which, that's what,
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uh, after, after the garden, right?
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And, um, I think it's Genesis 4,
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Cain and Abel, right? Like, yeah, perfect. Sin's desire— sin
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is crouching at the door. You must rule over— you must what? Rule over it.
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Yeah, there's Yeah, the Strong's definition
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that I wrote down for this word in kratia is the Spirit-enabled
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mastery of desires, impulses, and habits
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so that they serve rather than rule. That's right,
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the believer, right? So not all desires,
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impulses, and habits are bad, um,
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by any means. Many of them God's given to us on purpose
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is part of our humanity. Yeah, right. Yeah, we get hungry, we need to eat.
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Yeah, right. It's the, it's the either overindulgence
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or underindulgence in each one of those. I mean, this is the,
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it is the picture of one ditch or the other, or like the
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extremes of any issue. This is the epitome of balance,
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right? Self-control is, I think, because that
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is an art, it is a skill, it is something you have to master
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that was too much, I need to come back, or that was not enough,
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I need to go up, you know. And that— those are— I think it's
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almost like that the brisket or the steel or the running,
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like you only get that through time, right? And being open
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to the Spirit's correction, that was off,
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okay, I need to correct, I need to correct course. That was too much,
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too little. Yep. I don't know. No, I agree.
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Being open to the Spirit, that part right there I want to focus on because
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we just read, you know, Jesus tempted in the wilderness, right? You know,
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man shall not— his response is man shall not live on bread alone, but every
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word that comes from the mouth of God, and that's the key right
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there. I looked up a definition as well just to Google simple definition of biblical
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self-control, and it said self-control in the Bible is defined
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as power over one's own impulses, emotions,
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and desires enabled primarily by the Holy Spirit rather than
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human willpower alone, and I thought that that second part
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right there is so important because so many times it's like I just got to
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do better. I just got to refrain from these things, but we try to take
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those matters in our own hand, and we're gonna fall into that sin. We're gonna
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trip up every time, but I think it's important that as Christians that we
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realize that it's not by my power. It's not by my will.
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It's that I'm allowing God to work through me. I can't. It's being
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humble enough to say I can't. I'm gonna fail. I'm going to
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choose sin. That's what my default is. I have to seek the Lord on this
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matter, and that it kind of to me that's
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comforting because it's like, okay, it's not me trying to be this
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person or this image or that, you know, whatever I'm trying to be or
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however good I'm trying to be. It's that I can't. I have failed. I have
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fallen short of the glory of God, but God, right? He has
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given me this way, and Jesus He showed us
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that way too. He didn't rely on His flesh, or His— He didn't
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let His circumstances, His hunger,
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He didn't let any of that affect Him. He said, I'm gonna look to God.
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I'm gonna seek every word from His mouth, not mine, and it's
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just a beautiful example, and one thing that I wanted to note— Casey,
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were you going to say something about that? I was just gonna say I'm trying
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to draw the line. I'm trying to think through in real time what's
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happening, And Jesus doesn't deny his
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hunger. He was hungry. Yeah. But he didn't allow his
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hunger to control him, to have
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authority over him. And so the line
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is it wasn't God's will.
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We talked about that, I think, whenever we were talking about Jesus's
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temptation. Um, and, and I'm also
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trying to thread the whole, you know, the Galatians theme of freedom, right,
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within all of this. Like, self-control is what brings us
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freedom. Now, Paul, Paul talks
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about like the, the overarching theme— I think you said it,
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uh, last Sunday— is, is that Jesus
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purchased our salvation. Like, there is nothing—
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this is— self-control has nothing to do about,
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um, yeah, it's our salvation, our justification. Yeah, yeah, it's not
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a salvation issue. But the, the freedom that we
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can experience here now is through our self-control. And that's the
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twist, right? We talk about the twist and the war on the word.
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The twist is, is, is I think the world says,
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well, self-control, that's limiting. Like,
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that's rules, that's guidelines.
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But actually, what I believe the scripture
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is telling us is that, you know, it kind of flips the script on freedom,
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on how the world sees freedom. Freedom isn't
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the ability to say yes to all of our desires.
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It's the ability to actually say no. Right, to— and,
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and not allow that to rule, to rule over us. That is the context
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of this whole passage, which I happen to be preaching this week. This was not
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planned. That's awesome at all. I love it. But it starts with,
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I say, walk by the Spirit and you will— what? Not gratify
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the desires of the flesh. The desires of the flesh
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are against the Spirit. These are in the Spirit are against the flesh, for these
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are opposed to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if
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you're led by the Spirit, you're not under the law. And he lays out
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the works of the flesh, the— what we would say,
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like gratifying the desires of the flesh,
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right? This is the result of no self-control,
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right? And it's sexual immorality, it's impurity,
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sensuality, idolatry, sorcery.
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That's a— that's one that we can talk about here in a minute.
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Um, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger,
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rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness,
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orgies, and things like these. Each one of those is an extreme
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of when we gratify the desires of the flesh,
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and self-control stands at the end here as the,
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the solution, I guess, to that, right?
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So you kind of mentioned safeguards
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or something. Um, guardrails may be a right term
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to use here, but like this part of self-control,
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and that's that the Spirit is producing in us, is putting
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clear boundaries. And those are, those are acts of wisdom,
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and those are acts of freedom too within each individual Christian, because we're not
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all the same. Like some of us can handle more freedom than
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others. Some of us can can veer wider on the road than others, and,
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and that's just part of it. But I think, um,
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the twist— yeah, that there is— oh, come on, that's just—
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quit being a prude, you know? Like, God,
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God would want you to be happy, you know? So like, don't, don't put
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a boundary in here. Like, but the reality is, in the garden,
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God put boundaries in before the fall, actually.
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What's the— what, what's the example? Don't eat from the tree. You can
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have anything you want to eat except— he uses that.
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I don't know if he actually uses it— except from this one tree, right?
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So there's a boundary. Yeah, before the fall.
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So boundaries are not a result of sin in the world.
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Um, that was a result of our, I guess,
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our humanness, our limitedness. Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know what your thought is because sin has entered the world
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and grown rampant, like there's more boundaries. You know, it's not just the one.
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Yeah, we need more now than we needed in the garden because of
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our own sin. I mean, it talks about in Romans, right? We've created sin,
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new sins and new ways to sin. We're evil as a
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people, as humankind, right? Over time, we've created
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all kinds of evilness, right? And so we have to have boundaries. It's not just
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the one— don't eat from this tree— because we've opened the can of worms,
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right? It's out. It's— everyone sees it, right? And we gotta
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have boundaries. Yeah, control ourselves. I don't think you can conclude
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anything else than that God's boundaries are meant for the good of us,
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right? Of course. And, and so if that is a fact, then,
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then, then staying in step with the Spirit is,
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is to benefit us. This is for our— this is for our benefit
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if we stay in step and we have self-control
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Um, then I, then I believe that, that it is beneficial
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for us. Um, and, and I, you know,
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it's difficult. It is difficult. It's hard to stay in
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step. It's hard to deny yourself, you know, to deny your
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flesh, to deny these wants, um, and to take pride.
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What was a boundary maybe your parents or the world or somebody
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as an authority in your life put in that you thought
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my word, I can't— I hate this. Like, don't tell me no. You know,
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you, you just grated against. But now,
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in, in your growing brain and maturity that we
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have achieved, now you see it as like, oh, it's really good.
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I needed that. Yeah. Is it— can you think of an example?
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Probably curfew at that, at that age, uh,
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where I was, you know, had sense enough to rebel.
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Uh, curfew was good for me for sure because your parents said nothing
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good happens after whatever time, and it was different for every
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parent. Rex Lowry always said, if, if you can see those street lights on,
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it's time to get your tail home. Yeah. Yeah. Wow,
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that's good. Yeah, but as a kid, you're like, wow, I can
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stay up late. This is when it gets fun. This is when everything— I'm gonna
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miss out on stuff, and I can do it under the COVID of darkness
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and whatever. And it's like like, you realize, oh, as you get older,
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you're like, yeah, that's probably not best to be out at 1 o'clock in the
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morning with— right, yeah, certain people. Yeah, right. Now if I'm
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up that late, I'm like, I'm not up that late anymore. I'm like, no,
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I need to go to bed. I want to be— I want to be in
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bed. But yeah, and I think curfew is a good example. And it's
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just the little things like, hey, don't do this or you're gonna get a whooping,
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right? And it's like, no, I'm gonna do it. I mean, just out of spite,
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you know, as a little kid. And I got in trouble, got whooping. And now
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as a parent with little kids and it's like, Lily, don't do that. You know,
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you're going to get in trouble and there's going to be consequences. And full circle,
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right? It's kind of funny. It's kind of ironic. It was like, man, we're all
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the same, right? We make— we just— we got to kick against the goads,
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right? Like Paul. We're just— we're hardheaded,
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stubborn as a people, I think. Yeah. Some more than others. So one,
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one, one rule— You looked at me. No, because you're in front of me.
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One rule I have in my house is, is we
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need to do what we can. This isn't— well, I'm horrible at enforcing
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this, but it is a rule. Like, we got to keep our— we need to
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keep our rooms clean. Yeah. You keep your room clean and picked up and
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no food. No food in the room. Right.
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What about your room? Are you allowed to bring food in your room? See,
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I clean up. Practice what you preach. I clean up after myself. I usually don't
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bring any food in the room. I just pick up. I don't. Because that's how
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I was raised. So I can't. Yeah. My wife does. Maddie loves snacks. It bothers
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me so bad. It bothers me. No, I usually— Didn't you say something
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about Debbie eating snacks in the morning? Yeah, she's a snacker.
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Me too. So I caught Andrew the other day,
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um, and they know, like, I, if I see them trying
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to, they'll try to sneak a snack or whatever, you know, past me and I'll
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be sitting in the chair. I'm like, back in the kitchen. But anyways,
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um, And Mason,
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Mason's— I'm gonna say it, he's my good kid. But he's
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gonna make sure he kind of monitors the other 2 and he'll
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let me know, you know, which I don't want him to be a tattletale.
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And I get on to him every once in a while, which they all do
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it. But some things we need to know, like,
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tell me if you see a problem. Like Mason come into the living room
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the other day and was like, hey, there is a pile of Goldfish on Andrew's
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bed in the hall monitor. He said in there's ants
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all over. So they had come in. So we've been in a drought and
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ants are trying to get in at every crevice. And so they,
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they, they're tearheads. So their
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window was barely cracked and a stream of ants were
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coming right in that window. His bed was covered with
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ants. And so it's like, if you would have just— point proven,
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right? Yeah. Follow the rule and had a little bit of self-control here
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and not, you know, Yeah, but anyways,
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what are, uh, what are the ditches on either side of the
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road? Or if self-control is the, the middle way,
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what is— what are the extremes? I would say for
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one side, um, you can say overindulgence,
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but I think it's just— I think it's a little
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bit less than that. I think it's your desires, you know,
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following yourself, your selfish desires, selfishness. Maybe that's
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what it is. It's just I'm going to choose— for me at least, that's what
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I'm thinking. Maybe y'all got better words, but I'm thinking, you know, if this is
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self-control, this over here is selfishness. I'm going to choose what I want.
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And this is what you can fill that in with X, Y,
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and Z. And I wrote, I wrote license down from what I said on Sunday.
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You know, there's one side was legalism and one side was license that I can
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just do whatever I want because why? Because there's grace.
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Yeah, there's forgiveness, there's mercy. Just excusing
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indulgence under the heading of grace, right? Which is exactly
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what you're saying. Yeah, I think of selfishness and then, um,
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what did you just say? I said legalism on the other side.
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So like, yeah, you said license. License. Yeah,
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that was the closest I got to alliteration in a long time.
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License and legalism. But legalism, right?
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Substituting fleshly discipline for spirit dependent.
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So control without Christ, right? Human rules that
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have this appearance of wisdom but in reality do nothing
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to help us. So yeah, like having
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too many rules. Yeah. And saying like, well,
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if, if you ever have a sip of alcohol, then you're
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going to hell. Well, that's, that's— you can't support that biblically,
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right? There is a boundary there, clearly. Yeah,
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scripturally. But Legalism is the
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one side of adding on to it, is adding on to the rules.
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Like, don't take away nothing from it and don't add anything to it.
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Yeah, it says what it says. It's taking self-control
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and making it another requirement for salvation. Yeah, yeah. Yes.
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Yeah, for sure. If you can't refrain from X, Y, or Z, then you're
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not saved. Yeah. Self-control equates to spiritual
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freedom. Then yeah, I think that maybe
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the play, the play is, is that like, like I
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was saying earlier, is that, that the world sees freedom as
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no rules, right? And I think that,
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you know, on the, like you said, the other side of the ditches,
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it for, for, I guess, um,
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I don't know, the, the Pharisees,
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uh, is, is legalism. Yeah, we've got to follow all these rules
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plus some. So just so we don't don't break these rules, we need
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to make more rules around them so we don't even get close to breaking these
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rules. Yeah. And that's the, you know, the how Eve
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got it twisted in the garden. We talked about that too. It's like, not like,
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you know, don't even look at it and kind of do it. Yeah. But on
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the license one, I wrote down God forgives me, so it doesn't
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really matter, right? God's gonna forgive me, so it doesn't really matter. Or that's
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just who I am, like I, I can't help who I am.
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I'm saved by grace. Yeah. Or like I'm giving in to this Yeah, thing,
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whatever it is, because that's just who I am. Another one that's used, well,
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God made me this way, which is, which is same kind
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of the logic, right? Same logic. Yeah. But that gets like, now you're
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blaming God for your sin, your own choices,
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your own sin. That's taking it, that's doubling down. That's doubling down a little
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bit too far. I can't help myself, as if like, if I just have
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a feeling, have a desire, then I have to give in. Or I shouldn't
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have to deny myself. God wants me to be happy. Like, God set me free.
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Whatever the like shortened logic is, yeah,
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of what's true, then taken to an illogical,
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right, conclusion here that like, oh no, God actually puts
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his stamp of approval on my extramarital unfaithfulness
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because God wouldn't want me to stay. That's an unhappy
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marriage. And I've heard that. Yeah, that's the ultimate form of circular
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reasoning, right? Is, is just making sure we do that on ourself.
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You know, it is what it is. Love is love. Love. Uh, we've talked about
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a lot of that. Yeah. Uh, the just the kind of the circular, uh,
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logic, being able to justify anything. And as
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soon as you're confronted about it, I think that we, we tend
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to take it the next level, right? Is that then
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we, we, we try to rubber stamp, you know,
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God's approval on whatever we're trying to justify,
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and then we're unapproachable. You cannot— you can't approach me
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because God God. Yeah, because this is what you're gonna say. God approves this.
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What are you gonna say? So how dangerous is that? Yeah, right.
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Very. Yeah, that is not, that is not self-control. Well,
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I mean, that is opposite. That is the whole logic
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behind much of the LGBTQ.
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That's right. In the Christian world, the affirming— I'm
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speaking to the Christian world that, you know, seeks to— some that seek
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to affirm it or promoted or whatever. I, I understand
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the, the non-Christian world, like,
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they're in sin, this is what they do. Like, they don't know, they don't— they
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shouldn't have the spiritual fruit of self-control, right? That just is what it is.
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But the, the wrong logic within the affirming
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Christian world towards LGBTQ is like, well,
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that's how they were born, they can't help it. I'm like,
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Some of my kids were born angry. That doesn't mean that they get to hit
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their brother or sister. Yeah, some of my kids are born lazy. That doesn't
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mean that I don't teach them to work hard and they just get to lay
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around the rest of their life. I was born a lot of ways in,
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in the flesh that are not good life.
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And, and just logically, that doesn't make any sense in
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our— if, if you're creating a nation and you just go,
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well, we can't really try him for this crime because do
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you know how much he really wanted to steal that that night?
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Like, he couldn't help it. He just had to give in. But that logic
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doesn't work in any other area. And so just to go, well,
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I feel a desire to sleep with men— that,
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okay, that's fine. I believe you do. That does not mean that it's
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a good desire, right? We have to evaluate. You should act on it.
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Is a desire good. The height of immaturity is
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impulse, which is I feel something,
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I give into it. Yeah, that is the height of immaturity. Not like—
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we were a bunch of toddlers at that point, and that's what it feels like
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in this whole movement. And I think we have to speak
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out as Christians and say, like, every single
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one of us has to learn to practice self-control. It may not be for
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me. I've never once had the desire, I want to sleep with a man.
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That's great, but I've got to practice self-control in
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a lot a lot of other areas too. It's not just in sexuality. Yeah,
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it's in every area of my life. You talked about words
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and anger and money. Money. We listed a huge list right there, right?
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Yeah. So Paul says it in Colossians, he says it in— Peter
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says it in so many. It's echoed, right? All these different lists of,
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of the opposites of the fruits of the Spirit, right? Yeah. And I think a
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good, good thing for Christians whenever they're faced with that, like, well, this is the
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way they were born, you got to counter that with like, you're right.
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Yeah, I agree. Okay, maybe you were born in— we were all born into sin,
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right? And I know that's a whole controversy. Some people like, well, babies don't sin
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and all that. And I don't know, with a sin nature, we are born with
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a sin nature into a broken world. And yeah, that desire may be there like
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you're saying. Doesn't mean it's a good one. Doesn't mean, oh well, I just got
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to go with it. No, it's like you said, we all have our own different
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sin that we struggle with, and some similar, some different. And you
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gotta— you I say you got to overcome it, but it's actually
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easier than that. You got to give it over to God. You got to surrender
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it, right? And that's putting the ball in God's court, and that's a good thing
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because I can't overcome my sin alone.
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I need God's Spirit, you know, and I grow that with a
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relationship over time, you know, and God's Word. If I'm
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learning— if this is what I'm putting in, you know, what comes out is
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godly. I still sin. I still mess up, but it's like,
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what are we doing? Are we being intentional to grow that relationship and
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and to learn more and more about God's character, and I think Christians
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who are stumbling with some things probably aren't spending
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time in the Word and in prayer and with like-minded Christians that
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are gonna build them up, and I think that's— we gotta be careful who we're
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surrounding ourselves with, what we're putting in, whether that's TV,
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social media. There's a long list of stuff there, and just our friends.
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There's so many influences, right? So what is it? Yeah, so what is God's
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will? We have to keep that forefront, um, and I want
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to bring back up the, the 4 Ps here because I think that this really
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ties everything back in real nicely. This is a great,
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uh, kind of way to, to end this series, um,
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is, is self-control. Is we need to always
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keep God's purpose in view,
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and that's what Jesus did in the garden was Yeah,
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I may be hungry. I have the power to turn these stones into bread,
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and I very well could. But is that God's will? Right.
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So through living for God, he was living for
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God's purpose, not prosperity, not pleasure,
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not his own power. Right. And so in all these
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sins, I believe can be fit into, you know,
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one of those 3 categories, which comes down to one category,
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really, it's just selfishness. But in
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the selflessness that we should live by is by
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living for God's purpose and
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to try to notice that in every moment
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of every day. Like, it's impossible.
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We should try, right? I think, I think we should try. The Bible says
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we need to reach after this, but it also says you're going
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to be terrible at it. Yeah, but I wanted to read a little bit more
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of— I was thinking just before you go there,
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one other ditch, and maybe it's more of a rut in the middle of the
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road, is that we all have selective discipline, right?
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So I may not struggle with homosexuality. Why'd you point at me?
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I had to say that. You were gonna say something, remember?
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I'm just kidding. I may not struggle with
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that, but that doesn't let me elevate myself
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above others because the reality is, yeah, I may be disciplined in some
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areas of my life, life. I think every single one of us drives
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in a rut of some sort, uh, from my experience
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of the people that I know walking in the faith. Everybody's got a proclivity,
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a propensity, whatever the word there is, towards something
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that, that we wrestle with, uh, and so like
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Proverbs 25:28 says, a man without self-control is like a city,
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uh, broken into and left without walls, right?
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And we like to build most of the walls.
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We have some of the walls put back up, but nobody has it
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all together. Yeah. And that's, I think, something to note here. Like,
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we may not be in the ditch on either side, but there's a rut
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in the middle of the road that we can get stuck in. So anyway,
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well, I'm not— I'm not gonna veer from that because I think
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that that's a great place to go to. And one thing that
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I was thinking, uh, whenever I was trying to think about this is, is how
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do you master something? It's like, now there has to be already a master.
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There already has to— there has to be somebody that has learned the skill and
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that teaches you. Now they cannot, cannot do it for you,
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you know, they cannot learn it for you. You've got to put forth the effort,
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you've got to put forth all the energy that it takes.
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And to, to kind of go back to the, the steel analogy, uh,
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because because when you said Proverbs and was,
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was saying that, it kind of, uh,
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had my mind go back to this. This is my favorite, all-time favorite
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verse in the entire Bible, is, uh,
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Proverbs. I got lots of favorite verses. This is the number one.
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I think you've said that before. No, I've never said it. We're gonna go pull
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the receipts. Never said number one. I've said favorite books. I've said favorite chapters.
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One of, one of my favorite verses. Okay. All right. This is my absolute favorite
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Proverbs 27:17, as iron sharpens
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iron, so one person sharpens another.
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So if your discipline is
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better in this area, then you are
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more well-equipped to lead somebody in that
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fashion. Now, and I may be, I may have
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another uh, discipline that is, you know,
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exceeds yours in that particular area,
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you know. And we're able to— this is what this verse means,
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is, is to be able to sharpen one another. Which means,
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like, I think about that, I think about, uh, steel and the temperance.
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And so for, for one piece
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of steel to be able— I've thought about this a bunch— to be able to
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sharpen another piece of steel this one piece of steel has to have gone
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through something. Like, you can't just take 2 same pieces of
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iron and sharpen each other. No, it'll— you know,
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what you're going to end up with is 2 dull pieces of metal.
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Yeah, you've got to have an extremely hard piece to
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be able to shave or sharpen, uh, an iron. And you
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can do it. Like, iron does sharpen iron. I've seen it, watched it.
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Like, it's, it's, it's It's very— yeah, I can
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take a piece of hardened steel. You take a piece of tool steel and put
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something in a lathe, you know, you can sit there with that one little
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bitty piece of hardened steel and sharpen thousands
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of pieces of pipe or whatever, uh,
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and that, that one piece of tool steel will stay the same. It's been
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through something. It's been through something different than this other
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steel has. And so that's kind of the analogy, is, is that,
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you know, for me to be able to teach somebody, I, I have
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had to maybe master that. I've had to go through some experiences.
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God's put me in the fire here and pulled me out. You've been refined,
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and I've been refined and put me back in. And then,
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you know, through these experiences, the comfort that you've received,
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you've been given to comfort others. What you've gone through is there
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benefit others. Yeah, and that's how you sharpen one another, right?
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And, and I don't know, that's one of the reasons why not
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only is it about metal, right, it's,
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uh, it's, it's deep. It, it means a lot more than,
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than face value. And so next podcast, we're gonna—
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you're gonna give us a demonstration of this, right? Okay, breathing a machine and everything.
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Yeah, we'll go to the shop. No, I, I've got a, I've got a,
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uh, piece of tungsten steel or carbide
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that you can— it's a knife sharpener, but still, and you can take
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just a mild steel knife and literally shave pieces
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of steel off of your knife just by putting
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a little bit of pressure. We'll plug it in at the end of the video.
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Byron knows how to sharpen a knife pretty well. No, that's too soon.
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No, it's fine. It's fine. Part of the
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issue with my arm is that my knife was too sharp. Yeah. I had given
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it too much care, too much care and attention so
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that it was very sharp. And if it had been dull, I would, I would,
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it would have just— I think it was so pointy, like point, you had such
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a fine point. Yeah, you just sunk in. I need a good point. You need
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a good point on a knife, right? I don't know, I'm too dangerous with mine.
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Really? Yeah. What you need is something like that. Yeah, that's exactly—
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I told him get a Saddlebuster. I told him get a Trapper Case knife and
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quit sharpening it. It doesn't have to be that sharp. Oh, it does. You,
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you'll hurt yourself. Yeah, well, no, I've always been taught that the,
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the less sharp a knife is, the more likely you are to
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cut yourself. Like in cooking, depends. If you've got a dull chef knife and you're
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like, you're trying to cut some tomato, it doesn't go through, and then it moves,
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and then, I don't know, and then you end up cutting yourself. Whereas if it's
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sharp, you're moving through it. For food, you need a sharp knife. The kitchen.
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So I need a dull pocket knife, sharp chef knife. Yeah, that's right.
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He's a butternut. Wow. Wow.
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My whole world was turned upside down on Wednesday,
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but that's okay. Um, I, I like,
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uh, 2 Peter 1, verse 5 and 6. He says, for this very
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reason, make every effort— well, this reason is he wants
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us to escape the corruption that is in the world because
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of sinful desire, right? Desire. So he says, for this reason,
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make every effort to supplement your Faith with virtue,
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virtue with knowledge, knowledge with self-control,
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self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,
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godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. So he
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gives a list of similar
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to the fruit of the Spirit, right? But his is kind of like an order
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that each one of the virtues needs another virtue. But the
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one at the center of all of them is the one self-control, right? That knowledge
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without self-control, uh,
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you know, is, is not good. Love, uh, I don't
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know, you could go down that, that, that rabbit hole or
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whatever, but, uh, I think self-control is like the,
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the glue for each one of those, right? Um,
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if we have lack of self-control, yeah, it's like what you said, all sin kind
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of boils down to selfishness. And if we don't have any self-control
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then we are just going to veer towards more and more selfishness,
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indulgence. Whatever we want, we will do.
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And so do you guys have any, um,
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Bible stories off top of your mind that, that present a good example
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of either self-control or the lack of self-control?
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I wrote down a few. Okay, you want to share? Joseph and Potiphar's
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wife. Yeah. Uh, Yeah, right, very easily.
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Probably could have gotten away with it. Probably could have. Can you explain a little
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bit for the audience if they're not familiar? Yeah, Joseph has become a trusted servant.
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He's a slave because his brothers have sold him into slavery. He's a trusted servant
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in Potiphar's house, and he rises up the ranks, and like Potiphar trusts
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him with everything except for basically his wife,
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or maybe he even trusted him with his wife. But, uh, one day
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it's just them two in the room, and she— well, it was a series of
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times, right? She tried to— yeah, it happens. Maybe, maybe, yeah,
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maybe there was some lead-up one or two times before. I can't remember the specifics,
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but, but then they were— it was a prime opportunity. She propositions
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him and he flees, right? He literally
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runs away from this temptation, leaves his coat. Yeah, she falsely
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accuses him. He gets thrown in prison for this, but I'm
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sure he had noticed her too, right? They've been around each other for a long
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time. He's a slave. He doesn't have, uh, a wife or
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any of that. And so, but, but he knew self-control.
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And that's a perfect example of pleasure. I've got a power
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one and you're gonna do prosperity, right? Sure. All right, so power,
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uh, was, um, David and
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Saul in the— that was my next one. That was my next one. Yeah,
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I got you. Yeah, David and Saul in the cave. Yeah, he could
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have took power right then, right there. Right, man. But it was not
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God's will. It was not God's will, and he knew that, right?
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And so there's, there's all— there's always going to be the line in
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self-control. Is, is this God's will?
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Is it his purpose? Purpose before
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prosperity. Purpose before power. Purpose before,
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um, what's my third one? What you got?
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Pleasure? No, we did— I did pleasure. You said,
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uh, power. You're doing prosperity. Prosperity. Meaning like
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money. Yeah, I'm sure there's stories, but I was thinking I got a few.
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I got other ones. I don't know if this is prosperity. I don't think it
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is, but you said David, right? That was a good example of self-control,
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not harming Saul in that moment when he had the opportunity.
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Think about David in another situation where he fails and he falls into
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pleasure, right? He sees Bathsheba on the rooftop bathing,
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and what does he do? He sees with his eyes what he wants, He— scripture
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pretty much tells us there's not an instance of self-control.
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He sees what he wants. He sends for her, gets her, and he lays with
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her and gets her pregnant, right? And then there's so much more sins that
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come from that one initial sin that he— the lack of self-control led him
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down a slippery path. So Joseph could
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have sharpened David here. He could have
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if they were alive at the same time. If they were buddies.
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Yeah. David should have learned from Joseph here, right? He should have,
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right? And I don't know, I don't really have one for prosperity. Maybe Solomon,
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right? He, he's a negative example of like he gave in to—
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but part of that's like God's blessing and God's using him as an example.
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The rich young ruler, like unwilling
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to walk away from, from all of his wealth in order
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to follow Jesus. Yeah, so I think, yeah, I think prosperity is actually
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a tough one. There's plenty of examples.
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And I had— what I had pulled up on prosperity
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is the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus says,
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you know, to store your treasures in heaven. In verse
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19, chapter 6, it says, do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth
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where moths and vermin destroy and where thieves break
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in and steal, but store up for yourselves treasures in heaven where moths
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and vermin do not destroy and where thieves do not break in and steal.
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For where your treasure is, there your heart will
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be also. The eye is the lamp of the body.
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If your eyes are healthy, then your whole body will be full of light.
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But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full
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of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness,
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how great is that darkness! 24. Here it is. No one can serve
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2 masters. Either you will hate one and
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love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
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You cannot serve both God and money.
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So there's this picture of service. There's this picture of,
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of choosing your master, right? And choosing money
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to serve money, or to— or, and that's a very stark,
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like a very very thick line that Jesus
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draws here, and I've thought about that a lot.
01:07:15.554 --> 01:07:19.294
So money's big in the 3 Ps because
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if I can make money, then I can buy my pleasure. If I can make
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money, then I can have power, and it interplays within
01:07:27.272 --> 01:07:31.186
each other, but usually it's if
01:07:31.686 --> 01:07:35.904
I serve money well enough, then I will gain whatever
01:07:36.001 --> 01:07:39.949
I want, whatever I want to. Uh, and so, and Jesus
01:07:40.029 --> 01:07:43.849
warns— there's so many warnings over money in
01:07:43.881 --> 01:07:47.364
the Bible. Like, and, and Paul— was it Paul
01:07:47.476 --> 01:07:50.702
that said that? That was it. Jesus that
01:07:51.202 --> 01:07:54.458
said that for the love of money— was Jesus? Jesus. Yeah. For the
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love of money is the root of all evil. Uh,
01:07:58.150 --> 01:08:01.983
man, that's— that That explains it right
01:08:02.015 --> 01:08:05.334
there. And, and so how do we deal with that? Because we all
01:08:05.478 --> 01:08:08.668
deal with money, we all deal with finances, we all deal with this.
01:08:09.149 --> 01:08:12.098
Um, and it's one of those things that we need in society, right? I need
01:08:12.598 --> 01:08:15.737
it. And the Bible also says— the Bible also says, Proverbs I
01:08:15.801 --> 01:08:19.729
believe— it says that money can fix lots
01:08:20.229 --> 01:08:23.608
of problems. I think it's Ecclesiastes. Is it? Maybe King Solomon. Yeah,
01:08:23.656 --> 01:08:27.008
Solomon. Anyways, one or the other, Solomon wrote it. Yeah,
01:08:27.667 --> 01:08:30.736
yeah, there's some, some level of self-control required with money.
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Like, and wealth is a blessing from God, there's no doubt about that.
01:08:34.882 --> 01:08:39.172
But at the same time, we can veer to the overwork,
01:08:40.506 --> 01:08:43.462
doing scandalous things in order to make money,
01:08:44.764 --> 01:08:48.331
whatever. We are now— it is not
01:08:48.831 --> 01:08:52.075
serving our needs, we are serving it with our time and our life.
01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:55.305
Life. And we have to be— that's a slippery slope as well. I think especially
01:08:55.805 --> 01:08:59.242
for men, right? Yeah. Having self-control and knowing like, okay,
01:08:59.322 --> 01:09:02.616
we don't have to have everything that everybody else has. Yeah. So I
01:09:03.116 --> 01:09:06.440
think the biblical antidote is contentment, right? Like,
01:09:07.581 --> 01:09:10.891
God meets our needs, and yeah, we might have some extra
01:09:11.391 --> 01:09:14.153
sometimes, and we have— we get to do some fun things sometimes, but also sometimes
01:09:14.185 --> 01:09:16.804
we don't. Yeah. And that's just the reality of it.
01:09:18.090 --> 01:09:21.710
So yeah, that's an interesting one. Self-control with money.
01:09:22.210 --> 01:09:25.530
Yeah, I think an interesting— even just how we spend though, right? I think about
01:09:26.030 --> 01:09:29.570
it and yeah, spending like just not just buying something because it was on sale
01:09:30.070 --> 01:09:33.050
or because I saw it and it's on sale, that's a good deal, I gotta
01:09:33.550 --> 01:09:36.250
buy it, they're selling it for half off. I'm like, yeah, but you weren't gonna
01:09:36.750 --> 01:09:40.130
spend $4,000 today, you know? Like, who cares if it
01:09:40.630 --> 01:09:43.170
was $8,000? Uh, you don't have $4,000 to spend on this.
01:09:44.387 --> 01:09:47.744
So self-control is impulse control as well in
01:09:47.776 --> 01:09:51.229
purchasing. But yeah, yeah, how,
01:09:51.293 --> 01:09:54.392
how can we, uh, steward what God has given us well?
01:09:55.549 --> 01:09:59.130
Um, and what is God's will with what he has given me, right?
01:09:59.323 --> 01:10:03.193
That's the question with it. Like, every moment, every moment throughout our day,
01:10:03.273 --> 01:10:06.132
whether, whether we're fighting any of those 3 temptations,
01:10:06.790 --> 01:10:10.500
is what is God's will here? And money is a very
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:14.257
difficult Um, yeah, because I've
01:10:14.757 --> 01:10:18.351
worked hard for it. It's mine. I made it, you know. And it's like,
01:10:18.367 --> 01:10:21.418
yeah, maybe generosity is another antidote. Yeah, yeah,
01:10:21.900 --> 01:10:25.721
gratitude. Yeah, what you got. Yeah, so that's probably,
01:10:26.058 --> 01:10:29.494
um, that's probably— there's some good filters
01:10:29.590 --> 01:10:32.625
that we can put into play here, uh, when it comes to money.
01:10:33.604 --> 01:10:37.201
Uh, one is, is, is how is it making you feel? Like, what do you—
01:10:37.233 --> 01:10:40.235
what is it making you think? How is it making you act? Like,
01:10:40.828 --> 01:10:45.076
is there— it like, you kind of, kind of watch some
01:10:45.576 --> 01:10:47.737
folks that, that may have a little bit more, and it's like,
01:10:48.955 --> 01:10:52.081
I'm talking about secular, uh,
01:10:52.706 --> 01:10:56.697
rich people. Yeah, it's fairly obvious, you know, what kind
01:10:57.197 --> 01:11:00.208
of attitude, what kind of spirit that,
01:11:00.400 --> 01:11:04.296
that money will give, you know, give people. And so as
01:11:04.392 --> 01:11:07.838
Christians, I think that maybe one, one, one filter is we,
01:11:07.854 --> 01:11:11.509
we just need to be real careful of, of how this is making me act.
01:11:11.862 --> 01:11:14.715
Am I— is it making me act maybe a little bit,
01:11:15.885 --> 01:11:19.588
I don't know, more than, than, you know, what is— what does Paul
01:11:19.636 --> 01:11:23.227
say? To, to not think of yourself more than you
01:11:23.727 --> 01:11:27.218
actually are. Kind of give yourself a self-righteousness, right? Like, I'm higher than— exactly,
01:11:27.266 --> 01:11:31.242
I'm elevated above. Yeah. So there's just people— there's the self-control,
01:11:31.498 --> 01:11:35.554
right? That's, that's having that humility. Yeah, it's knowing humility.
01:11:35.682 --> 01:11:39.499
It's knowing that there's humility. Doesn't matter what I got. Got. Doesn't matter
01:11:39.999 --> 01:11:43.658
what I've achieved. It's, it's all God. It's in everyone. It's in every one
01:11:43.706 --> 01:11:46.436
of the, the fruits of the Spirit. Oh,
01:11:46.565 --> 01:11:50.017
humility, self-reflection, self-control, seeing yourself for
01:11:50.517 --> 01:11:53.567
who you, who you really are versus, uh, what you
01:11:54.067 --> 01:11:57.389
think you might be. I don't think self-control is achievable without humility because
01:11:57.889 --> 01:12:00.472
it's like, to me, in my mind, maybe not, but that's like one of the
01:12:00.972 --> 01:12:04.808
first steps. Like, how am I gonna refrain from this
01:12:05.033 --> 01:12:08.932
if I can't even humble myself before the Lord. You know, it's— to
01:12:08.964 --> 01:12:11.209
me, it's a no-brainer. You got it. That's where it starts for sure. Well,
01:12:11.225 --> 01:12:14.963
that's the— I think the, that self-control is like the— is,
01:12:15.300 --> 01:12:18.748
is maybe the sum of all of these. And that's kind
01:12:19.248 --> 01:12:22.069
of— yeah, that's kind of how I view it. And that's why I think that
01:12:22.569 --> 01:12:25.870
that's like the master is, is not really necessarily,
01:12:26.047 --> 01:12:29.303
okay, I've got to— like I said, the willpower— I can't
01:12:29.335 --> 01:12:32.687
just white-knuckle every, you know, every sin,
01:12:32.784 --> 01:12:35.606
every temptation. No, will, uh,
01:12:35.830 --> 01:12:39.261
self-control was actually being disciplined in love,
01:12:39.374 --> 01:12:43.029
joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and faithfulness and gentleness.
01:12:43.702 --> 01:12:46.973
Right. And then that's where gentleness— there is an overlap,
01:12:47.149 --> 01:12:50.436
I think, in gentleness. Yeah. I think there's an overlap in all of
01:12:50.936 --> 01:12:53.995
them. There is. If you really start picking apart, you know, yes,
01:12:54.124 --> 01:12:57.507
I think self-control, it takes all of them to really follow out.
01:12:57.635 --> 01:13:01.034
But at the same time, it takes self-control to follow out every one of them.
01:13:01.242 --> 01:13:04.513
It's kind of like a circle there, right? Yeah. And if I
01:13:04.529 --> 01:13:08.264
want to be the best gentle, loving, patient man
01:13:08.616 --> 01:13:13.217
that God's called me to be, I got to refrain from my tongue speaking
01:13:13.717 --> 01:13:16.968
before I'm thinking. I got to refrain from anger. I got to refrain from a
01:13:17.468 --> 01:13:19.645
multitude of sins. Right. And so,
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:22.707
yes, I think there's an order. I think it matters.
01:13:24.102 --> 01:13:27.388
But you can go round and round kind of. And that's the cool part,
01:13:27.468 --> 01:13:30.674
though, because like I said a few episodes ago, that may be the
01:13:31.174 --> 01:13:34.345
point. Maybe it is. Don't try to— oh, I got to do all these 9
01:13:34.845 --> 01:13:38.085
things. Just pick one and, and really focus on that one, and you're going to
01:13:38.117 --> 01:13:41.072
start to realize, oh, I'm doing all the others. Yeah, you pull one out,
01:13:41.088 --> 01:13:44.154
it's like a domino effect. Yeah. Or like Jenga,
01:13:44.170 --> 01:13:47.205
you pull one out and they all fall. Start practicing one for sure.
01:13:47.671 --> 01:13:51.460
Here's one more, uh, other way of application
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:56.485
or other connection here is just how does self-control and authority
01:13:56.598 --> 01:13:59.905
or leadership— what is the, what is the
01:14:00.405 --> 01:14:04.143
interplay there? Uh, in 1 Timothy 3 and in Titus the,
01:14:04.785 --> 01:14:08.394
the qualifications for pastor, elder, overseer, uh,
01:14:08.539 --> 01:14:11.683
one of them is self-controlled, right? It is a
01:14:11.763 --> 01:14:14.971
requirement, uh, to be a
01:14:15.471 --> 01:14:18.837
leader in the church, to be someone of influence and, and care
01:14:18.901 --> 01:14:21.869
for the church. I was thinking about that, like, that's true.
01:14:22.735 --> 01:14:26.265
Uh, it ought to be a requirement to be a self-controlled dad,
01:14:26.601 --> 01:14:29.649
you know. To be a dad requires self-control if
01:14:30.149 --> 01:14:33.126
you're going to do it well. Well, or to be a husband, or to be
01:14:33.754 --> 01:14:37.685
a boss, right? And if you don't have self-control,
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:41.925
then it leads to, I guess,
01:14:42.120 --> 01:14:45.971
disorder. It leads to chaos. It leads to impulse.
01:14:46.956 --> 01:14:50.367
It leads to a lack of like, we don't know
01:14:50.867 --> 01:14:53.552
what's going on because Dad's all over the place, or because our boss is all
01:14:53.617 --> 01:14:56.888
over the place, or because our pastor's all over the place, right? So a,
01:14:57.739 --> 01:15:01.129
um, even a connection, right? Um, in 1 Corinthians,
01:15:01.193 --> 01:15:04.470
there's a lot of conversation about the gifts, and, and,
01:15:04.663 --> 01:15:07.458
but it talks a lot about orderliness in worship,
01:15:07.859 --> 01:15:11.474
um, and having order and not allowing, you know,
01:15:11.811 --> 01:15:15.425
constant, you know, disruption or multiple people speaking at
01:15:15.925 --> 01:15:19.120
the same time. And like, it kind of seems silly. I think I read a
01:15:19.620 --> 01:15:22.221
lot of those. I'm like, where was that at? 1 Corinthians 14.
01:15:22.959 --> 01:15:26.362
Um, but if you don't have a leader
01:15:26.746 --> 01:15:30.675
in a church who's self-controlled, then the worship
01:15:31.175 --> 01:15:35.613
and the church will not be self-controlled, and the organization will be impulsive
01:15:35.806 --> 01:15:39.478
and chaotic and disordered, um, just like a
01:15:39.978 --> 01:15:43.166
family or just like a business. If, um, right,
01:15:43.246 --> 01:15:47.415
uh, it even connects to like how you handle conflict,
01:15:47.431 --> 01:15:51.536
right? If you're not self-controlled, then you just retaliate
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:55.002
versus like listening, hearing the facts,
01:15:56.174 --> 01:15:59.272
gently explaining the decision, and then
01:16:00.027 --> 01:16:04.618
working through it together, you know. So that— I don't know, I think about self-control
01:16:04.682 --> 01:16:07.941
and leadership like those are necessary.
01:16:08.053 --> 01:16:11.665
Like it's a necessary ingredient to be a good leader, to be a
01:16:12.165 --> 01:16:15.261
good pastor, to be a good dad, to be a good husband. If you don't
01:16:15.761 --> 01:16:19.226
have self-control, it's gonna go south for you. I don't know, I don't know if
01:16:19.726 --> 01:16:22.897
you have any thoughts on on that? No, I think so. Yeah,
01:16:22.913 --> 01:16:24.629
like I said,
01:16:24.661 --> 01:16:28.331
that's— I think the ultimate picture
01:16:28.492 --> 01:16:31.409
is ministry, right? Whenever we're talking about the, the,
01:16:31.778 --> 01:16:35.545
uh, fruits of the Spirit, I think the ultimate example
01:16:35.705 --> 01:16:38.943
is when it comes down to our
01:16:39.443 --> 01:16:42.855
responsibilities and our leadership within whatever it may be.
01:16:43.480 --> 01:16:47.103
You know, Byron, your ministry is to pastor this church. Church. You know,
01:16:47.504 --> 01:16:50.726
my ministry looks a little bit different than that, but it's like,
01:16:50.967 --> 01:16:54.623
it should be held to the same standard. And to your
01:16:55.123 --> 01:16:58.342
point, like, I need to take it all serious.
01:16:58.487 --> 01:17:03.104
I need to have self-control in my marriage, in my fatherhood,
01:17:03.216 --> 01:17:06.343
in my, you know, being a boss or
01:17:06.503 --> 01:17:09.918
whatever the responsibility may be. I'm thinking like right now I'm in the
01:17:10.418 --> 01:17:13.622
middle of doing budget for this next year. Yeah. And I used to get
01:17:14.122 --> 01:17:17.330
real excited about this. I don't anymore. It's like, it's a chore.
01:17:17.667 --> 01:17:21.025
It is a chore, and I don't— I'm not real thrilled about it, but it
01:17:21.525 --> 01:17:24.912
is one of those things that is part of our church having self-control.
01:17:25.507 --> 01:17:29.507
Like, we have to set boundaries on here's what we will spend and won't spend,
01:17:29.523 --> 01:17:32.993
and here's, here's what's good use of our money and not good use of our
01:17:33.493 --> 01:17:37.427
money, and let's agree to that together. And it takes a leader and lots
01:17:37.927 --> 01:17:41.331
of leaders putting their heads together and going, yeah, that makes sense, no, that doesn't
01:17:41.831 --> 01:17:45.040
make sense. It is is exhausting and it's a lot
01:17:45.540 --> 01:17:48.490
of work. Yeah. And I'm sick of it. I'm almost done, but I'm sick of
01:17:48.990 --> 01:17:52.791
it. And it's like, I don't know, I think that's one— that's a simple place
01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:56.756
of like, if we don't have self-control with our
01:17:57.256 --> 01:18:00.030
finances, we just look at the bank account and go, hey, there's,
01:18:00.672 --> 01:18:03.015
there's a bunch of money in there, let's go. Yeah.
01:18:04.363 --> 01:18:07.653
On vacation. Or as a church, it's like, hey, there's— look, look at
01:18:08.153 --> 01:18:11.550
all this money, let's let's build a da da da
01:18:11.598 --> 01:18:15.302
da da. And it's like, hold up, let's, let's have
01:18:15.802 --> 01:18:19.615
some self-control here. Let's have some restraint and have
01:18:20.115 --> 01:18:23.142
a plan and be good stewards and not just impulsively go,
01:18:23.206 --> 01:18:26.092
yeah, that's cool, let's spend it. You know,
01:18:26.894 --> 01:18:30.116
that sounds more fun some days. That sounds awesome.
01:18:30.437 --> 01:18:33.660
Yeah, no, no, uh, no rail guards,
01:18:33.868 --> 01:18:37.443
no guardrails on, uh— I like rail guards better
01:18:38.144 --> 01:18:41.039
No real guards. That's the wording. Like, just do it.
01:18:41.361 --> 01:18:44.979
But man, it's not good for an organization long term
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.424
and it won't lead to lasting. Well, when there's, when there's more and more people
01:18:48.924 --> 01:18:50.795
involved, then the, the,
01:18:52.618 --> 01:18:55.569
the catastrophe when it all falls down is way worse. Right.
01:18:55.779 --> 01:18:59.199
The collateral damage is, is terrible
01:18:59.570 --> 01:19:03.168
whenever it's just, you know, so I think there is different levels.
01:19:03.522 --> 01:19:06.667
And so I think that that's why Bible holds holds, you know,
01:19:06.748 --> 01:19:10.068
pastors and elders in, in a higher
01:19:10.388 --> 01:19:13.147
standard is because, hey, what you do matters.
01:19:14.366 --> 01:19:17.494
The decisions that you make are going to affect a lot of people. Yeah,
01:19:17.510 --> 01:19:20.702
this says having leaders— I don't remember where I got
01:19:21.202 --> 01:19:24.423
this from— but having leaders, uh, with self-control safeguards
01:19:24.923 --> 01:19:28.256
ministers from scandal and fosters trust, right? You think about like,
01:19:28.818 --> 01:19:32.346
we don't trust leaders who don't have self-control in just
01:19:32.411 --> 01:19:35.621
general, not even in the church. But if a
01:19:36.121 --> 01:19:38.465
leader's all over the place, you never know what's going to come out of their
01:19:38.965 --> 01:19:42.691
mouth. You never know. I can name a few. The predictableness of their— yeah,
01:19:42.723 --> 01:19:45.583
our current president is one of them. Past presidents,
01:19:45.599 --> 01:19:48.492
most of our presidents, lots of our senators. I mean,
01:19:48.813 --> 01:19:52.766
most of our leaders are not fostering trust because of their self-control.
01:19:52.911 --> 01:19:57.249
They're all hypocrites. We just swap sides every 4 years
01:19:57.749 --> 01:19:59.113
or every 2 years. Right.
01:20:01.009 --> 01:20:04.958
Actually has self-control safeguards
01:20:05.055 --> 01:20:08.518
it from scandal and fosters trust
01:20:08.550 --> 01:20:11.986
that people can thrive under, you know, and organizations can thrive under.
01:20:12.034 --> 01:20:15.416
So yeah, I had one scripture
01:20:15.497 --> 01:20:18.380
I wanted to ask. I asked Byron a little bit before, but I'd pick your
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:22.446
brain too, Casey. 2 Timothy 1:7 says, for God gave us
01:20:22.994 --> 01:20:27.471
a spirit not of fear, but of power and love and self-control.
01:20:27.906 --> 01:20:31.616
So I was skimming through some verses. You know, what verses deal
01:20:32.116 --> 01:20:35.439
with self-control? What instances? What stories? And saw this one,
01:20:35.714 --> 01:20:39.166
and Paul's writing to Timothy, and he's telling
01:20:39.198 --> 01:20:42.215
him God hasn't given us a spirit of fear,
01:20:43.087 --> 01:20:45.800
so then what does He give us? You know, power,
01:20:46.528 --> 01:20:49.908
love, and control. Those are things that we can— self-control. Those are things
01:20:49.924 --> 01:20:53.336
we could receive from God, so do you think that
01:20:53.836 --> 01:20:56.916
Paul is listing fear here kind of
01:20:57.416 --> 01:21:01.094
as an opposite to those things? Like true power that God gives us, you know,
01:21:01.415 --> 01:21:04.945
shows itself with love and self-control and many others
01:21:05.445 --> 01:21:07.882
as well, you know, all the fruits of the Spirit, but do you think that
01:21:07.930 --> 01:21:11.236
fear is kind of maybe an opposite here a
01:21:11.736 --> 01:21:15.569
little bit? The fear of, well, I don't have self-control
01:21:15.617 --> 01:21:19.020
over this. I'm just going to give into it. Maybe that's kind of how
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.507
my mind's wrapping around it. I don't know. Maybe I'm a little off there.
01:21:22.197 --> 01:21:25.499
This word actually is a different word. It is. It's a— okay,
01:21:25.980 --> 01:21:30.244
it's the word for like sound mind is how I remember. Like sober-minded?
01:21:30.869 --> 01:21:34.204
Similar, but it's like the same. 2 Timothy 1:7.
01:21:34.621 --> 01:21:38.083
It's the word that we also get wisdom from. Okay.
01:21:38.709 --> 01:21:41.289
Like, uh, sophro, I think.
01:21:41.915 --> 01:21:45.650
Um, so it's, it's the idea of like a wise
01:21:45.762 --> 01:21:49.123
mind, a sound mind, a Uh,
01:21:49.575 --> 01:21:53.496
yeah, like knowing what is wise in a certain situation. But there's self-control.
01:21:53.851 --> 01:21:57.402
I'm just saying it could be translated slightly different. Yeah, the Greek
01:21:57.902 --> 01:22:00.951
word is slightly different. It is a different word they have, but for English we
01:22:01.451 --> 01:22:04.161
kind of boil it down to the same or similarly.
01:22:04.661 --> 01:22:07.984
Yeah, the difference— not a spirit of
01:22:08.065 --> 01:22:11.805
fear, but of a sound mind. I was thinking about that more
01:22:11.854 --> 01:22:15.604
and more. Fear is like drumming up all the—
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like reading into all the facts and creating a false narrative,
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whereas a sound mind is able to like rationalize
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and understand all the things. So yeah, they kind of are opposites.
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And I can, I can control my emotions and not give in to the hysteria,
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whereas fear leads me to the hysteria. Maybe. I don't know.
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Maybe. Yeah, I don't have a great— I'm just trying to think through that verse
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because it kind of— I think it's the same message that he gives the Galatians.
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Right? It's the same message. He says, fan into a
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flame the gift of what God— the gift of
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God which is in you through the laying of my hands.
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For the Spirit of God gave us— for
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the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power,
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love, and self-discipline. So it's the same. It's the same message.
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And we're talking about the Spirit, right?
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This is— these are fruits of the Spirit. So to The
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whole point of the, of the fruits of the Spirit is for us
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to learn the nature of God and to allow
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him to master, to be our master,
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right? And to learn from him. Like I said, God puts
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us in the fire, he takes us out, he shapes us, he puts us back
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in the fire, and he takes us out, he shapes us. And it's just this
01:23:34.899 --> 01:23:37.610
process, and we, we tend to, uh,
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whenever we tend to learn through all the experiences,
01:23:42.430 --> 01:23:45.836
whenever we focus on God's will throughout,
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throughout our life and throughout our trials and temptations. Do not
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give us— the Spirit doesn't give us the spirit of fear.
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No, I have experienced the fire,
01:23:56.072 --> 01:23:59.687
and, and I'm ready to go back in. Yeah, like, I don't
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have that fear. I'm not timid to, to face the, face the world because
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I know know that God's Spirit is with me and he's
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trying to produce these, these fruits within me. And yeah,
01:24:12.281 --> 01:24:15.567
this is also very personal to Timothy
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because Timothy is going through some struggling with timidity,
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timidness. Yes, he is scared to pastor
01:24:23.438 --> 01:24:26.452
and to proclaim the gospel. He's receiving some persecution.
01:24:26.644 --> 01:24:30.395
Yeah, he's young. Don't let anyone look down on you because of
01:24:30.895 --> 01:24:34.387
your youth, right? He's inexperienced. He doesn't feel like he was
01:24:34.579 --> 01:24:38.122
naturally this, you know, loud, extroverted,
01:24:38.186 --> 01:24:41.023
whatever, something that he feels like he needs. And so he's,
01:24:41.296 --> 01:24:44.999
he's saying, I remember God's Spirit, that I laid
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my hands on you. God's giving you this gift. Now go.
01:24:48.782 --> 01:24:52.629
It's of power, right? You have the ability— that's
01:24:53.129 --> 01:24:56.236
dunamis, right? Uh, of love. You can
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go love these people. And of a sound mind, of, of self-control.
01:25:00.147 --> 01:25:02.889
Like, you don't have to give in to your desire,
01:25:03.354 --> 01:25:06.644
which is fear in this moment, or scared, you can overcome
01:25:07.144 --> 01:25:10.351
that desire and do what's right regardless of that desire,
01:25:10.639 --> 01:25:13.095
which, which shows self-discipline or self-control,
01:25:13.448 --> 01:25:16.673
allowing that fear to have
01:25:17.173 --> 01:25:20.332
authority over you instead of God's will having,
01:25:20.685 --> 01:25:23.654
you know, yeah, expressing its authority through God's will.
01:25:24.360 --> 01:25:27.666
Um, yeah, so one example, I,
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I think that, like I said, the whole book of Galatians
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is about freedom, right? And I, like I said, I think the sum of all
01:25:35.368 --> 01:25:38.978
the, all the, uh, fruits of the Spirit is, uh,
01:25:38.994 --> 01:25:42.476
self-control. And through self-control, I believe that
01:25:42.508 --> 01:25:45.637
we experience the freedom that God intends us to.
01:25:45.798 --> 01:25:49.328
That doesn't look like what the world, uh, calls freedom,
01:25:49.569 --> 01:25:52.971
right? So for example, like, if,
01:25:53.404 --> 01:25:56.661
if, if I don't allow money to rule
01:25:56.773 --> 01:26:00.354
over me, if I'm not all the time serving money, okay, I've got
01:26:00.854 --> 01:26:03.115
to go do this, this, and this, and this so I can have money to
01:26:03.615 --> 01:26:06.792
do whatever this, this is. If I don't, if I'm like, no,
01:26:06.808 --> 01:26:10.244
I'm going to allow what is God's will, I'm going to let God's will,
01:26:10.662 --> 01:26:14.146
uh, you know, rule over me instead of the,
01:26:14.756 --> 01:26:18.144
the, the will to, to earn money, uh, then it
01:26:18.644 --> 01:26:21.773
has no, it has no hold on me. Then it doesn't matter.
01:26:21.998 --> 01:26:25.915
You can— I'm, I'm free in, in this way that
01:26:27.281 --> 01:26:31.010
I don't have to— I'm not trapped
01:26:31.252 --> 01:26:34.561
by the desire to make
01:26:35.061 --> 01:26:38.813
money because I know that God's going to take care of me through my experiences
01:26:38.990 --> 01:26:42.791
that God's given me, and so it doesn't really have an effect
01:26:43.291 --> 01:26:48.529
on me as it does the world, right? That's a simple example,
01:26:49.312 --> 01:26:53.916
but I think that you can plug that into through just about any
01:26:54.173 --> 01:26:57.784
area in our life when it comes to anger, when it comes to fear,
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:01.025
if it comes to money, if it comes to pleasure. You know,
01:27:01.105 --> 01:27:04.603
there's a temptation for all— there's a temptation for all those. And it's
01:27:05.103 --> 01:27:08.647
like the Spirit gives us that power to overcome those to where it
01:27:08.695 --> 01:27:11.985
doesn't have any— it doesn't have any effect on that. And this is
01:27:12.485 --> 01:27:15.515
a— this is a long— this takes experience.
01:27:16.013 --> 01:27:19.350
Like, that's what I'm getting at with the, you know, with the— with the example
01:27:19.547 --> 01:27:23.812
of the tempering of steel. Like, it's a, it's a long process.
01:27:23.925 --> 01:27:27.133
This takes time. It takes experiences. It takes God
01:27:29.582 --> 01:27:33.126
leading us and testing us and allowing that,
01:27:33.287 --> 01:27:36.407
that testing to actually produce these
01:27:36.505 --> 01:27:39.013
fruits really within our, within our lives.
01:27:41.610 --> 01:27:44.962
Yeah, I totally agree, man. And I think kind of as we come here to
01:27:45.453 --> 01:27:49.210
finishing it up, you know, and hey, if God's Spirit
01:27:49.226 --> 01:27:52.356
is what helps us overcome things of this world, right,
01:27:52.677 --> 01:27:56.449
we better be in tune with it, right? We better be seeking the Lord rather
01:27:56.529 --> 01:28:00.222
than what's the newest trend or fashion or whatever
01:28:00.722 --> 01:28:03.753
this world is throwing our way, right? And you've asked a lot this podcast,
01:28:03.769 --> 01:28:06.964
Casey, what if we need to understand what God's will is, right?
01:28:07.429 --> 01:28:11.041
And Jesus throughout the New Testament and Paul
01:28:11.202 --> 01:28:14.377
and so many other writers tell us so many times that this was God's will
01:28:14.825 --> 01:28:18.287
is this, this, this, and he gives different examples in different ways, but I think
01:28:18.787 --> 01:28:22.357
of John 10:10 kind of to finish it on is that the enemy
01:28:22.857 --> 01:28:26.107
comes to steal, kill, and destroy. That's the enemy's will, but I—
01:28:26.607 --> 01:28:28.751
this is Jesus talking— but I come to give you life and give it to
01:28:29.251 --> 01:28:32.308
you full or abundantly in some translations. Like that's what God wants.
01:28:32.452 --> 01:28:35.866
He wants us to have life abundantly, eternally with
01:28:35.898 --> 01:28:39.568
him, not separated, right? That's what God wants for us, which which is freedom,
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:43.111
right? That is freedom. So to understand that and to understand
01:28:43.611 --> 01:28:46.878
God's character, it's fruits of the Spirit I think have been a great place for
01:28:47.378 --> 01:28:51.206
us to start kind of early on in the podcast because through those we
01:28:51.706 --> 01:28:55.214
find freedom. We find what true biblical
01:28:55.714 --> 01:28:58.501
freedom looks like and not being bound by our flesh, bound by the world,
01:28:59.046 --> 01:29:02.444
and ultimately we got to seek God. We can't do one of those fruits of
01:29:02.944 --> 01:29:06.035
the Spirit without seeking God, and I think that's what we need to leave the
01:29:06.535 --> 01:29:09.627
listeners with. We're gonna come back. We're gonna hit new topics. We're gonna continue continue
01:29:09.643 --> 01:29:12.501
with the podcast. But yeah, I think we did a good job by hitting these
01:29:12.533 --> 01:29:15.615
pretty quick early on. I think that laying the foundation,
01:29:15.904 --> 01:29:19.404
the overarching purpose of all of it, the entire scripture—
01:29:19.516 --> 01:29:22.502
what, what can we take as readers,
01:29:22.807 --> 01:29:26.724
right, as listeners, as followers? What is, what is the purpose? And I,
01:29:26.885 --> 01:29:30.899
I believe that the sole purpose is just to establish a
01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:34.575
relationship with God, right? This is about relationships.
01:29:35.153 --> 01:29:37.865
And so his Spirit gives us that ability.
01:29:39.084 --> 01:29:41.843
I was thinking about this this weekend whenever I was in Fredericksburg,
01:29:42.613 --> 01:29:45.709
uh, and Deb and I, uh,
01:29:46.864 --> 01:29:49.960
got to, um, got to listen to some,
01:29:50.169 --> 01:29:53.890
some music. And, and I was thinking of, of self-control,
01:29:54.163 --> 01:29:56.794
and I was thinking of, uh, just, um,
01:29:57.307 --> 01:30:01.574
walking in the Spirit and, and to live by the Spirit. And 20,
01:30:01.622 --> 01:30:04.911
verse 25, it says, since we live by the
01:30:05.411 --> 01:30:08.213
Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.
01:30:09.740 --> 01:30:13.677
So that in step, that's a— it's a— God wants
01:30:14.177 --> 01:30:17.525
us to live in harmony with him. This is a— this is a dance.
01:30:17.605 --> 01:30:21.220
This is a— this is a being— it's a walk. It's a— it
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:24.802
is a bad dancer to stay in step, right?
01:30:25.270 --> 01:30:28.733
To stay in tune. And I'm thinking, well, you know,
01:30:29.555 --> 01:30:33.266
to be in tune with the Spirit That takes,
01:30:33.587 --> 01:30:36.992
you know, you need to know. It takes studying. It takes, yeah, it takes
01:30:37.361 --> 01:30:40.236
looking into it a little bit. And can't be in tune with something that you're—
01:30:40.252 --> 01:30:43.368
that's foreign to you, that you don't know. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta
01:30:43.866 --> 01:30:47.689
invest, right? So yeah, that's a— it's— and it's a thing is,
01:30:47.962 --> 01:30:51.624
and it takes a long, long time to learn how to know
01:30:51.656 --> 01:30:54.676
whether or not you're in tune, and it takes experience.
01:30:54.949 --> 01:30:58.209
And so, but once you do, here's the, here's the application.
01:30:58.634 --> 01:31:01.674
Session. Once you do figure out that you're
01:31:01.819 --> 01:31:05.118
out of tune with the Spirit, make the necessary
01:31:05.166 --> 01:31:08.656
adjustment. Don't just sit there and play out of tune. Don't be out of
01:31:09.156 --> 01:31:10.356
step. Be in time.
01:31:12.822 --> 01:31:16.415
Yeah, be in time. Yeah. Anyways,
01:31:16.624 --> 01:31:19.814
sorry, I'm done. That's good. That's good. That was a good way to finish it.
01:31:19.975 --> 01:31:23.053
No, we're not. We're never out of words. All right, Byron, your turn. Go.
01:31:23.104 --> 01:31:26.550
Out of words today. Yeah, maybe today we
01:31:27.050 --> 01:31:30.160
are, but looking forward to— let me just let you in on a little secret.
01:31:30.210 --> 01:31:33.850
We don't know what's next either. So you can look forward to next week
01:31:34.350 --> 01:31:38.070
when the podcast drops and it'll be another word. I can
01:31:38.570 --> 01:31:41.750
guarantee it. If there's any suggestions out there, let us know. Yeah,
01:31:42.250 --> 01:31:45.610
that'd be great. Is there a comment section? Can they comment? Most of the people
01:31:46.110 --> 01:31:49.430
that listen are our family members. They have our phone numbers. Yeah, they comment via
01:31:49.930 --> 01:31:53.250
text. Just email Huntington First Baptist Church if you got a word. If you're like,
01:31:53.750 --> 01:31:56.610
I want y'all to talk more about freedom or talk about this, please let us
01:31:57.110 --> 01:32:00.610
know. We'd love to have some direction and be able to talk
01:32:01.110 --> 01:32:04.650
about things that are helpful for you. So I think somebody needs
01:32:05.150 --> 01:32:07.850
to pray. I don't know whose turn it is. Somebody professed that they would always
01:32:08.350 --> 01:32:10.770
know whose turn it is. I did. Casey did. It's your turn. Well, I'm going
01:32:11.270 --> 01:32:14.210
to go with it then. So let me pray. God, we thank you for today.
01:32:14.710 --> 01:32:17.510
I thank you for each one of these, these men and just their lives walking
01:32:18.010 --> 01:32:21.130
with you. I pray that you would help them just to keep in step with
01:32:21.630 --> 01:32:24.170
the Spirit. I pray for each one of our listeners as they live in their
01:32:24.670 --> 01:32:29.282
lives and going through their trials and difficulties and, and blessings
01:32:29.669 --> 01:32:33.586
and seasons of joy. God, I pray that you would help them
01:32:33.618 --> 01:32:37.067
to keep in step with the Spirit. God, may we not gratify the desires of
01:32:37.567 --> 01:32:40.847
the flesh, but may we walk by the Spirit. God, and your Spirit will produce
01:32:41.267 --> 01:32:44.678
self-control in us. God, so we thank you for the gift of
01:32:45.178 --> 01:32:48.803
the Spirit in our lives, and we, we thank you for the relationship
01:32:49.303 --> 01:32:52.389
that's possible through Jesus. I pray that you'd just be with us, guide us,
01:32:52.454 --> 01:32:55.511
direct us, and And, uh, we love you, we need you,
01:32:55.527 --> 01:32:56.627
we pray all this in your son's name.