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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the lower-hounds, look at Season 2 of Peace Maker.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Alicia the Iglie lover, one of your guides to the Quantum Unfolding Chamber.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm John Hawkoz, Biggest Hader, and co-host of Comic Versus, does the DC Universe, where we're suspicious of dragons of any color.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Alicia and I are not alone for our Peace Maker coverage, not this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Aaron, the only host of radioactive randlings with the taste level to appreciate the genius of this series.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're here today to recap and analyze episode one of season two, the ties that grind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't yet listened to John and Alicia's season one breakdown for spoiler free discussion of the show overall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Background on production and a recap of season one and the suicide squad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I listened to it yesterday and it was fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're this time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to do spoiler free.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to just jump right into the first episode of season two.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All spoilers on the table and that does include everything else like in in the DCU DCEU anything DC movies TV comics all of that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's check in, Jean, what do you think the ties the grind, the title of the episode?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, you know, James gun loves his funny titles, but what do you think this means?
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[SPEAKER_05]: The ties the grind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, wow, what an opening question, Alicia.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And why is 42, the meaning of life, the universe of everything?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on my first cup of coffee and there's nothing in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But look at that mercy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, wow, I think that watching that episode just, what holds people together,
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[SPEAKER_03]: tears them apart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought about that, you know, the family structure that Chris has, when he stepped through the door and saw this other family structure that he didn't have, right, and how those people were tied together in a way that he seemingly never had.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's trying to get with, you know, the 11th street crew.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think that's what to me,
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[SPEAKER_03]: that would be the meaning of the title for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we know that this is a show that's about relationships.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is about the good and the bad of it, I suppose.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, how you can be corrupted by someone like Archie Smith or you know, how love is A.B.O.I.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Supposed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Erin, here's a question for you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Are you guys injured Gen V, by the way?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Come on out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're definitely going to do Gen V. And that might overlapped a little bit with our fallout coverage, but people are working over time during that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The full lot coverage was good too, so yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Also, John just started.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He just watched the first piecemaker episode, and he at his first take was like, is it like the boys?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_05]: How is peacemaker like or not like the boys?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like the boys in that it's a very violent kind of played up universe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, it doesn't have that same twist of all of the heroes being horrible people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They make a lot of jokes about it, but it's not a world that's inherently broken and over the top and the way that the boys is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think it has more heart, I would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we're sure, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if piecemaker were in the boys, he would not have any kind of redemption, he would just be full and evil the whole way through.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He wouldn't be questioning it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, while we're talking to you, since we didn't get to check in on you, what's your story with piecemaker?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You were interested in talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So what drew you to this show?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Did you
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did watch it live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came to the party a little bit late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I...
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[SPEAKER_01]: came to it about halfway through the run in season one because of different podcasts that I enjoyed was watching it and it just sounded like a fun time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched Suicide Squad and definitely enjoyed that, but I honestly had no interest in a show about Peace Maker until I had heard that it was good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought such a strange character to be making a spin-off about and they just proved me completely wrong and I was so glad that I ended up hopping on that bandwagon.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And any favorite characters?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vigilante is definitely up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that season one, Mern was a really interesting character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sad that he's not going to have much of a present, or not really any presence in season two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At a bio is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't have a whole lot of love for hardcore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm in the same boat as you, John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I didn't get quite an host.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome aboard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the captain of the anti-falk collection.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just so many characters to love in this series and they do a good job of making sociopaths loveable.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you said that you were a fan of the Suicide Squad, the 2021 James Gunwon, how about the new DCU so far?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Have you watched Creature Commandos and Superman and what do you think overall?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've really only got into this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really need to go to Superman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone that's seen it has told me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the best movie I've seen all year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My choice is the other day when I went to the movie theater, we're fantastic for or Superman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I chose fantastic for it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, can't go wrong again.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Would you think of fantastic for it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a return to
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[SPEAKER_05]: cool.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well then you got to get on Superman because we're going to talk about some crossover stuff this episode too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't mind spoilers, so go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Alright, so this episode was about peacemaker interviews for a spot in the Justice Gang while hardcore struggles to find work on the heels about a bio's bombshell press conference economists is forced to surveil peacekeeper under Rick Flag senior's new management.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Sean, let's start with you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What is your overall hot takes about the ties that grind?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought it was a nice fun start to the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have questions about things, which is always a good thing for episode one for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One in to see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get some answers to some things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this first episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: sense, you know, that the tie-ins with the, when we would talk about the episode more, but the tie-ins that they had with soups I thought was really cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They did it well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like, you know, hit you over the head of a hammer, you know, type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was really, you know, played well into the story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I get points for saying that like senior knows I did it further in the notes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I gave your points.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you were right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Black senior knows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was a nice, you know, I'm glad they didn't drag that out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like whether either he knows or he doesn't and they let us know immediately and now is very happy about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: awkward, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She, she needs help.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, she, yeah, I feel for her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like her, but I recognize that this is someone who's screaming off of some sort of assistance from somebody somewhere, someplace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I hope she gets it because she's just as fucked up as Chris is mentally.
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[SPEAKER_05]: At this point, perhaps even more, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we don't, we kind of know why Chris is the way that he is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not sure I know why alcohol is the way that she is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm hoping to get some clue into what makes her this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What, you know, how was she formed to be this person that she is?
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[SPEAKER_03]: because she's terrifying, um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what can I say about, you know, graveyard, like, you see a badass, like, he has a gun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He got almost has a gun now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's walking around surveilling people, doing all sorts of, uh, you know, undercover work, like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to see if this guy is really going to start, you know, taking what he did in season one up to a whole new level.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, is he going to be on the level of everybody else on the show as tremor in terms of, you know, just straight up, bang, bang everybody in sight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would have seen it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I agree with pretty much all of those points.
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[SPEAKER_05]: By the way, I just want to apologize for any background noise and my side of the mic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's the peak day of a once and five year festival that takes place in my neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's something about side and it's getting real loud out of what's in the school.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, okay, Erin, you came into this season
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say it lived up for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, we got to a certain point where I thought the episode was almost over when Chris is walking through all of the doors and then it just kept on going and I was like, wow, we, we got a lot of content in this first episode, but a few of the plot lines are worrying me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I really care for an ongoing, good, soggy and living Keith plot line
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[SPEAKER_01]: multi-verse side of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it would be more interesting for Chris to confront his demons in other ways.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a less serious note, I want to know how vigilante is still in practice as a possible way when he's cursing at his boss and going out for 30-minute phone calls with a con of most.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And crashing his wedding uninvited?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my, that would be the last straw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what is the say about what's his name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: that he keeps on punts that he must have some kind of affinity for vigilance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what a reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What does it say about him?
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's secretly like me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my favorite kind of retcon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one that isn't really acknowledged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that the flashback being a retcon version of the ending of season one was just awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so well done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need a whole explanation of oh we're in a different universe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here
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[SPEAKER_01]: they did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They moved on and now this is where we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fight choreography for the hardcore part fight, that might have been my favorite part of the episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was really well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was, I mean, yeah, the fight choreography feels really real in this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you feel the bones crunching and it doesn't because that is a pet peeve of mine when you really feel like it's staged.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And in a case, it feels visceral.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally did.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, I mean, I agree with most of the above, like, uh, I want, I'm hoping for more vigilante.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking forward to that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, that's coming.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Please, and thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, everybody's favorite.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I, yeah, I am glad that they did not prolong any of these things.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, indeed, just ripping off the band aid and starting the season running with the whole,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, with setting up where they are at this point with setting up this other universe, I thought, you know, I have to sing the trailers that Chris might wrestle with killing his other self to take his place, but this is, I'm glad it's just over with and he's like, opening, what do I do with that?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I mean, I think it might take a bit for this season warm up and we were talking about season one grew 40 more than 40% while it was airing and, you know, airing your positive of that as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and I have a feeling this is going to, because it's such a dense TV landscape, it's going to take a couple episodes for this to really warm up, but I think that they are laying the foundations here for what's going to be really satisfying, multiversal story.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I am,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm in the camp of like everybody, please stop hating on multiversal storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've been into this stuff since I think I've read my first two multivers stories in a way or extra-dimensional stories, flatland and the boy who reversed me, I when I was like 12, I read them really close to each other.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And they blew my mind, and I've been obsessed ever since, and I'm like now we might finally be getting, you know, like everything everywhere all at once, that was very satisfying multi-bursal tale.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The comic books deliver a lot of satisfying multi-bursal storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They do for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so this feels like it might be playing on those promises because what makes multiversal storytelling interesting to me is the question I do sit in my day and think about like oh what about the Alicia who ends a Columbia and studied screenwriting instead of what I did you know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What happened with her?
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[SPEAKER_05]: What is she doing now at this point in her life?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Things like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, this is really exploring that, the emotional aspects, the how we're shaped by circumstance aspects.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's going to go deep.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We already got John Cena crying and episode once.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And let me shout out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me shout out John Cena, essentially just
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[SPEAKER_03]: not in the camp of even thinking that he could pull something like this off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, it's amazing that the range that he shows in this show is truly amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, I never would have considered him to be able to pull any of this
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[SPEAKER_03]: any of the the seeds that he's pulling and making me feel like wow, like it's kudos to him because he he's an actor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's an actor and he's he's just amazing in this show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He really brings this cartoon to life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um Aaron were you a fan of this season
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was my favorite part.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I never skipped it, that's the correct answer.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just the soundtrack is so magnificent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: James gun always puts a killer soundtrack in anything he does.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And would you think of, we'll talk about, we'll talk about the new one, more toward the end, because there's some clues about what's coming.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But what did you think about it over all the new one?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Are you happy with it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it felt a lot bigger and I feel like we got a good idea of which characters are important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like that beginning dancing is a spoiler for the rest of the series of who's going to be important and who's not, and I kind of appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so wait, who was not in it that, uh, I mean, okay, one person who was not in it that I clocked was out of Bayer's wife, Kia from last season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She was in last season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's been not this one, but then you never know because there were some characters that just didn't show up and yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, so yeah, the season, all the episodes were written by James Gunn, this one was directed by him, although he did share the directing duties with others on the other episodes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This, the multiversal element of this story, it's partially also inspired by Philip Roth's The Counter-Life, apparently, which I haven't read, but now I want to, it sounds quite interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, apparently it was going to be more so like that that they decided to go in this direction.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think, I think they're setting up for emotional payoff and also just for the explaining how all the DC stuff connects.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, Jean, how long is the episode and what are people saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this first episode was 44 minutes, rotten tomatoes, yeah, 44 minutes, no, it was pretty good, rotten tomatoes has a 98 season one was a 93 so that's, yeah, that's a market change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Metacritic has it after seventy eight season one what's a seventy which is again pretty High praise When we compare them season the season So yeah, I think we don't know how long episode six seven eight will be But season episode two is gonna be 48 minutes
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the next two episodes three and four under and five are really under 40 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm interested to see how that plays in with the story telling like I don't want things to get crammed and you know
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess it makes sense to have the longer, again, as you said, we don't know the length of the last three episodes because James gun is keeping them under lock and key because Apparently they're respoilers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Major spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm wondering if we're going to get some kind of crazy crossovers or something.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But But I think it makes sense to have the first two episodes be on the longer end because it gives you time to establish things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially with the multi-versal angle and the new characters from the new DCU, they kind of have to establish this new universe for us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Ah, well, I mean, off to a good start.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's take a quick break and when we get back, let's talk about what actually happened in the episode.
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[SPEAKER_05]: See you in second.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so previously in the DCU, which John, what did you think about the, yeah, catch you up retcon?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Retcon recap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm cool with it, but you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know how I feel.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You didn't like that Caval was replaced with another Superman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's all good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's all good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love this new soup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Caval was my guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a bit of sweet moment for me, but it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On to the new.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But to make up for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, Gordon Sweat, as I've already said, is my Superman, do you?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who's your overall errand?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you haven't seen it yet.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who's your Superman?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm already adopting Corn Sweat as my mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are Superman, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I haven't seen it,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like Henry Cavalle a lot as an actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he puts his all into everything that he's in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can tell he loves the character, but I just have such a disconnect from the Snyderverse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not mess with that era of superhero movies whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm totally on board embracing the new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I like that corn sweats, you know, again, we did a whole episode about Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't link it in the show, but I like, I like, you know, this is a large part how James Gunn is writing and directing and also, of course, and also, um,
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[SPEAKER_05]: in how David corns fight himself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's portraying it, but that mix of like being that hopeful boy scoutish, but with vulnerability and feels emotions, and yeah, just like this take on Superman, a lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and he's embodying it well in my personal opinion.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, anyway, oh, fun fact, though, I learned in an interview recently that Peter Safron, the seldon spoken of business side of the, you know, he's the partner of James Gun at the head of DC Studios.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's the one who actually pushed to start with Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, you got to start with Superman, you have to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Make sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Make sense.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But coming from the business side, that's promising, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, because he, I think he gets it, you know, just by doing that for me, he gets it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you have to, like the DC universe has to start with soups.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It has to start with Batman, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, but soups is the guy that you have to start with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're going off on a new tangent, you're telling these new stories about these characters, you have to start with soups.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And for anyone who's confused, the Batman is in a separate universe, and we talk about that culture episodes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But we'll see, we'll see what happens in this one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It hasn't been rolled out to have been anyway.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But the DCEU, Caval, and Ben Affleck, and all of those, that was they appeared at the end of season one as a Justice League.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and we saw the silhouettes of the
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[SPEAKER_05]: you, Justice League.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's for a place here with the DCU justice gang.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you not only get corn sweats great, but you also get Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner's Green Lantern and Hawke girl and kind of a surprise to see in there, but I guess not super girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You were saying, no, I guess not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We know she must have been around for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I wasn't surprised this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, yeah, and then the jokes about about Aquaman fucking fish is replaced with jokes about guy gardeners and peacemakers as he puked on him on writing on a magic green carpet ride and guy liked it and guy says that's false.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Chris in this instance.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, um, but yeah, it's just a reminder that that that scene, those scenes were subbed in happened before the events of Superman and now this episode we're talking about today happened after very shortly after the events of Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I guess Erin, you answer the question, do you think people need to have seen Superman before they watch season two piece maker?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess you didn't feel like you missed
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[SPEAKER_01]: definitely think that a little bit of context could have been added for me if I had seen the movie just with the recap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to say they make an off-handed reference to Lex Luther at some point during the episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they talk about him with the dimensional doors and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that part of it I was a little confused.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't sure what they were referencing, but it wasn't anything that hindered me from enjoying the episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I
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[SPEAKER_01]: go right ahead and watch peacemaker and you will be totally happy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's get into the episode itself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to talk about it plot arc by plot arc, not seen by scenes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we might discuss some scenes out of order.
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[SPEAKER_05]: John, do you want to set us up for peacemakers audience?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, out of bio drives Chris Smith aka peacemaker to an audition with the Justice Game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now that he's a superhero who saved the world
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[SPEAKER_03]: thanks to a faulty PA system.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peacemaker walks out of the interview, totally dejected.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why do you think he wants to join the Justice Gang in the first place?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, the legitimacy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a mess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Him as a superhero for real for real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's not in the shadows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not working covertly to kill people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's, you know, part of a team that people recognize
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[SPEAKER_03]: as doing good, which is what he wants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants people to see him as doing good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if he can ever escape that legacy that his father settled to him with sort of guilt by association and probably guilt by doing things that his father told him to, but he definitely wants to try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a good thing for him to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily think he'll ever escape that stink, though.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's, that is an interesting thing for them to explore with the alternate universe, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, does he not have that stink on him?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Does he have a different stink on him, you know?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just don't believe things are so perfect over there as they seem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so we saw white rabbit leaving in tears.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course I had to look it up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, who is this playboy bunny looking superior?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And apparently it's Jaina Hudson, daughter of an American diplomat and Bollywood actress who has a split persona.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's kind of like a more limited version of duplicated from invincible and moonlight from Marvel.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But
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[SPEAKER_05]: literally whitewashing because when she goes into the superhero she gets blonde she's like a half Indian woman you know from India and when she goes into superhero form she becomes a light skin blonde woman so I'm very I mean it's a typical deep catalog pool from James gun but I wonder what he's if we're going to see this character if this is just like here's a weirdo character or
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[SPEAKER_05]: if that means something more.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did notice when peacemakers watching her go and she's in this kind of playboy bunny type costume, he's not looking at her in a sexual way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's just looking at her like, what the hell's going on?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So is that growth?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Which is his nerve, take over it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think his nerves, I don't know if it's growth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll give him credit for growth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, there were three characters in this scene that we met in Superman, and so Aaron was this your note, who is Maxwell Lord, is that from you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, okay, so you know the answer to it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to answer it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the thing is, I know the answer to it, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: think of Tony Stark without the Iron Man suit right in the beginning he has a long history in DC Comics father was committed suicide but was committed to helping people so he wants to do the same thing um but then in different DC sagas like crisis on infinite earth's invasion
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh at one point he's like a robot replace but now he's a flesh and blood person with metagene powers to control my control people that's unlocked but he was killed by um
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wonder Woman, because he was about to take over the world and kill all the heroes, a big story with, you know, all sorts of layers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot, it's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He actually killed Ted Cored, another hero.
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[SPEAKER_03]: program that Batman had installed to watch the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was able to take this program over and the OMAX were going to, you know, basically destroy everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wonder Woman kills him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sounds like a program Iron Man would like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the interesting thing is,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know Max Lord as a villain, right, gun was asked about that and he had a response, so done, let me bring it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So someone asked gun, let me credit the person in Jeremiah, 28, 82, hey, Mr. Guns, so the guy that's funding the Justice Gang is Maxwell Lord, isn't that character of villain in the
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[SPEAKER_03]: James Gunn response term is as Max was recanted as sort of a muscular evil doer, after originally being conceived by Jim Demattis as a multi-layered character who was morally great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Along with skinny Amanda Waller, it wasn't one of my favorite comic reimaginings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All Max is inspired by the original version, so don't be waiting for him to shoot Blue Beetle in the face.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we should say he's played in the DCU by Sean Gun, James Gun's brother, who's he also plays the Weasel and he did in creature commandos the what's his face.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's the robot's name again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: G-I-G-I-Robin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's your robot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My future command will not online.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're... Yeah, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, G.R.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Robot, but those, of course, are just his voice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So he can play a different character that shows his face.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But we've seen him, we saw he got to have a cameo in Superman and we saw that, you know, in piecemaker and in Superman, if you pay attention to the technology that they're using, it will often be branded Lord Tech.
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[SPEAKER_05]: which is obviously his company, and we know he's a sponsor, the sponsor of the Justice Gang and the DCU, so it's not a surprise to see him there at auditions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's very true to the comics that he's a sponsor of the Superhero team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to work with the meta humans in order to make the world better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he turns evil, so I'm wondering if, you know, when they mentioned him in the
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[SPEAKER_03]: Max is doing this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, okay, what's going on here, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then see him sitting in the interviews with green, with green lantern and hog girl.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like I can't fully trust what James Gunn is saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really I can't fully trust it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't fully trust him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He was the character also the Patriot Pascal played in Wonder Woman 1984, which is a totally different reimagined version, but you could see, yeah, definitely a villain.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, we'll keep an eye on Maxwell Lord, whatever James God says.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was just going to say, he's definitely an asshole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I get a quite villainous vibe out of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he might just be a little bit of a jerk.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you definitely, we actually see more of him in this episode of Peace Maker than we solve him in the movie Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He just showed up like we just saw him get out of a car at the end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I thought it was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just based on, you know, what John said, James Gunset aside is based on what I know of his character in previous iterations.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He said, put socio-pathy there for peacemaker.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When, you know, we've had discussions on this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do not think peacemaker is a socio-path, please.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think he's got things wrong with him, not that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like Maxwell Lord typically is more so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: yes, I would agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see where it goes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is one character that I'm keeping my eyes out and the overall DC universe, because I want to see how he plays into what gun, what these universe comes to be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to play a large role personally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think he's going to play a large role.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's, I mean, he's going to be pulling some strings for
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you mean he was going to play like a super villain role.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe like we'll say it would be interesting because there are a lot of super intelligent characters being set up and also like these a lot of like tech froze being set up in the James gun DC universe.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So
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[SPEAKER_05]: wondering if he's going somewhere, a particular direction with that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So Aaron, this was then your first exposure to Guy Gardner, the Green Lantern play by Nathan Fillian, and Hawke girl, aka Kendra Saunders play by Isabella Merced.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What did you think of those characters from this glimpse?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a duo I need to see infinitely more of the two of them together real hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, their comments from behind that wall were cracking me up the whole time for Chris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that guy's been so much, but it didn't make it any less funny, especially when he starts going into his whole spiel about his family and Hawke girl immediately says, let's get some popcorn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, it's another sob story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Terrible people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'll three of them are terrible, talking about a full woman's camel to us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Several people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just like, the thing about Guy Gardner is like, he clearly lacks empathy, you know, he thinks it's funny that they said, you know, the people heard these horrible hurtful things about themselves.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But it does seem like he mostly does the right thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Would you say that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he mostly does the right thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There'll be a dick about it, but.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's a hero in a way that Chris is not a hero.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Guys, even though he's a jackass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a jack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's like, yeah, I wouldn't consider him to be an anti-hero or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's not the Punisher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not, he's not peacemaker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a hero.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We know we're getting a lantern core show next year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to explain quickly what that is?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a lantern core show?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, it's going to be, I know that Guy Gardner will be, and it also will be, also know there will be the two other- multiple grad lanterns, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a, we don't know much about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Except that is, you know, is John Stewart and
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[SPEAKER_03]: The two main green lanterns, as far as I'm concerned in DC universe, comics, um, yeah, doing some crime solving, and what looks like to be some rural community in the middle of the US.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, I, I want my green lanterns to be green lanterns, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it seems like we've so far, if we've only seen the DCU guy gardener, I'll say, Erin, when you see Superman, you'll get to see gardener use his powers a lot, and I think that that was really cool how they did it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't have the protectiveness of the Green Lanterns the way you do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you'll be the one to say if they miss step.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So far I'm like so far it's cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they haven't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, what we've seen so far is great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just wondering what the story will be in the Lantern TV show with John and how.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And for
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[SPEAKER_03]: Interpol, police force or, you know, going through different sectors of the universe to ensure that Evil doers and criminals are both to justice and to try to stop bad things from happening and how High-Guardner and how are both
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[SPEAKER_03]: everybody has a different sector of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like think of it as like police to have that are in different precincts, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up with the Ryan Reynolds Green Lanterns, so I have very low expectations, so I hope so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me started.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was me going into the new, um, then the new fantastic for us, like, well, but I've seen the, you know, I watched the other movies, I think they can do better.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and did you watch any of the animated series, like, jessously young, jessously, any of those?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have been,
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[SPEAKER_01]: halfway through season one of the Harley Quinn animated series for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, but keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I need to get back on that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the Justice League cartoons were ones that I would watch whenever they were on TV when I was younger, but I never went all the way through one of them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely for a younger audience, but still with, I think, you know, mature storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think those just until JLA cartoons were some of the best D.C.
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[SPEAKER_03]: storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Quite honestly, young justice, all that stuff was really, they told some really great stories, and they did it really well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so fans of those might be more familiar with Hawke girl.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we got, we discussed this, I guess when we were discussing Superman, but we got confirmation James Gunn does, or she says, Isabella Merced, the actress who plays her, says that it is Kendra Saunders, but it's a combination of two different versions of Hawke girl from the comics, so she is still the reincarnated, was it ancient Egyptian, what's Hawke girl story?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Hawke-Girlen and Hawke-Man, they have traditionally been portrayed as reincarnations of two Egyptians that each time they die, they come back and they've been living in different lives for thousands of years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so with their memories intact, so they know, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what they're, that's who they are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that reincarnated, I guess, partners, lovers, whatever you want to hold them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we did get in the DCEU, so we're talking to Cavalverse, not the current sweatverse.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We did get
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[SPEAKER_05]: I, a Hawkman that I really liked, in Black Adam, we got out as Hodge, and I thought the Justice Society was far and away, the best part of Black Adam, but I think we're losing all of those actors and like, bring back how this Hodge is Hawkman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Black Adam was, God, that's nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that was, that's my lowest ranked in the DCE if I remember correctly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, sorry, were you a fan?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, you already said that the Snyder verse wasn't your bag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I watched most of those movies, but I don't think I enjoyed any of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even when the Snyder cut came out, I was just sitting there like, I don't get what the hype is about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a longer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been so simple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What makes this one so special?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a bad for the Snyder cut.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For that four hour film, it was a call that's Citizen Kane.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's sweater sniffing ways.
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[SPEAKER_05]: More slow moos of Jason MamaWa.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, but they should bring back Hawkman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: My question, though, is where I will, okay, two questions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: One is about Hawkerl, is that from the animated series, I have to admit I have not read her comics, so though I'm curious to do so, but I know she can be a dark and unpredictable character.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm curious if James Gown is going to play on that at all.
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[SPEAKER_05]: My other question is, where's Metamorphoth?
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[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't even mention him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They already have a new team member.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They do, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this takes place before the audition, I think the audition was after everything yeah, yeah, okay, okay, that's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then and more for was one of my favorite characters and Superman, I mean, not everybody needs to sit in the interview as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, he doesn't need to send the interviews, but I just would have liked to, well, we already have one new team member acknowledgment.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't make me nervous.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you, Erin, do you hope to see more of the justice gang this season?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't see Guy Gardner at least three or four more times, I'm going to be disappointed for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love the bull cut for the record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought that the bull cut was the biggest villain in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it suits him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, do you want to set up some sucky job hunting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Amelia Harcourt and Leota Atabio are also having a rough time getting work after Atabio exposed Argus's shady operations publicly at the end of the last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Atabio has now separated from her wife and lives in what economists call the worst level of grand theft auto.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Amelia doesn't know where to funnel her anger now that she's been rejected by every government agency and dies diagnosed with toxic masculinity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Chris shows up at Harcourt's house to check in on her, she refers to a mysterious night on a party boat between seasons that she calls a mistake while Chris clearly hopes for something more.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, Jean, you are on record on our season one recap of being a Harcourt Hader and also being a show.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you, I mean, what did you think watching this?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Were you thinking like, oh, I'm getting more insight or were you like more of her being her?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, this more of her being her and me being horrified at her being her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, truly, um, yeah, she's, she's, she's tough to like then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I don't, and I'm on record.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like peacemaker even, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like peace and make it and I don't like not these are two people who are very difficult to like for me Which is why I just showed so good because I still want to watch this show even though I don't like these you know Some of the main characters that have an intense this like for But she is just
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[SPEAKER_03]: When she's in the car and she's punching the dashboard, I'm like, girl, like, if that's not a sign that you need serious help, you know, you need some serious walking through your trauma, whatever the trauma is, you need to get some help, um, is there no one in our life that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: recognizes this at all because I think everyone's trying to help Chris, but it seems like, you know, yeah, just she's alienated a lot of people this seems like.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I, first of all, it's interesting and also commentary, I think, on the way these things work in government jobs and things like that is she's being diagnosed with something but not in a way of like, oh, let's help you through this, but in a way of this is why we're rejecting you now go deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did notice she brings up she's like what is that the DSM 3 there which is the diagnostic and statistical manual it is the sort of handbook for clinical psychology in terms of breaking down what different disorder behavior looks like.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and, you know, the classifications thereof, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, I immediately clocked it because, you know, I have a background studying psychology.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She said the DSM 3.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That went to out of use in 1987.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we are currently up to the DSM 5 now as pointed out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's been in use since 2013.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, it made me wonder, you know, I look at the date 1987, was she diagnosed with something in childhood, was she put in therapy in childhood, was she had a bad experience, is there something she's pulling through from that, because that's such a specific thing for her to know and get wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Erin, what do you think of her behavior of going to the bar and drinking alone?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she was definitely hoping for a fight when she walked into that greasy bike or bar to hopefully she wanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just wanted to beat someone up who deserved it and she got what she asked for for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was such a satisfying scene when she breaks the beer bottle over that guy's head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though she ends up getting kicked out of the bar just that little bit of
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[SPEAKER_01]: choreographed bar fight was just awesome, but her and Chris are for sure a dysfunctional match made in heaven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're made for each other and it makes it all the more unfortunate that she's pushing away the only person who seems to really understand what she's going through.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it's because we see also Chris dealing like she seems to, you know, we saw her going to the bar alone in the first season is like guys just leave her alone, but then you notice she does hope someone starts some shit so that she can fight but in the same time like Chris is not his toxic behavior is not in wanting to fight everyone it's in escaping into drugs and sex.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So they are kind of two sides at the same coin in a way and just they're running away from their problems and ways that might be harmful.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what did you guys think about all of the overdue bills that she had?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if she's gonna have to go on the run or be with someone's child?
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[SPEAKER_03]: She needs a job, she needs a job and meeting a job and when she says one of my supposed to do, right, when she's walking out, this is all I've known.
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[SPEAKER_03]: right it's it's that some real shit you know you've been doing something most of your life and have been pretty good at it and not at telling you that the one thing that you think you've been pretty good at you can't no longer do and it's not because of something that you did that that's pretty fucked up you know what I mean but then to go into a bar
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, sit there waiting for someone to say the wrong thing and you know it's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So she picked that bar on purpose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She went in there with the intent to start some shit and hurt some people and maybe get hurt herself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, yeah, it's a cry for help man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: who's going to get it and at what cost to the people around them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, her behavior makes me wonder if she genuinely has been black bold by her blacklisted by Amanda Waller or if all of these agencies are looking at her and saying this is a person who really isn't fit to be in this agency.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's, I think it's Waller, because those those agencies don't do fuck.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Waller, Waller is the least cannon in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, sign me up for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I need to end more of those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We need to end more of those on the team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I really think it is Waller, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: To be fair though, we did see hardcore and peacemaker absolutely murder 30 seconds to Mars this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was so bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's Jared Letho hate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You think you really do?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: James Guns even made comments about two Jared Letho about he's not like the man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's real loud.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He was basically, he was pulling a Kendrick and dropping a district.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I respect it a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Gun, I didn't know you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was just editing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: God, you're sweating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's dope.
52:03.100 --> 52:04.061
[SPEAKER_02]: And you love to see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, speaking of passing the popcorn.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But John, what do you think about out of bio?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think she is, has okay?
52:16.091 --> 52:21.752
[SPEAKER_03]: She claims, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're all struggling, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're all struggling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're out here, like, she's separated from her wife.
52:30.854 --> 52:32.954
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Look at the car she's driving, I mean, it's bad.
52:41.865 --> 53:07.567
[SPEAKER_03]: she did the right thing and she's suffering for doing the right thing yeah you know she outed the people who needed to be outed let the world know what was going on her mother at that and it cost her it cost them and she doesn't look right she doesn't look okay to me she's trying to look okay by helping Chris but she's not okay
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, do you think her security consulting companies going to do well?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that at some point this season, we're going to see economists out on his ass from our guests.
53:21.046 --> 53:24.447
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see everyone just struggling and running from the government together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
53:28.129 --> 53:29.649
[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're they're not in good positions in life right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everything is really tenuous, you know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think this could be a villain team-up origin story?
53:45.148 --> 53:45.188
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
53:50.010 --> 53:50.210
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
53:51.171 --> 53:51.491
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
53:51.912 --> 53:54.414
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, out of bio, she is still, we see her.
53:54.454 --> 53:56.517
[SPEAKER_05]: She's still the emotional glue of the team.
53:56.597 --> 54:01.522
[SPEAKER_05]: It seems like most of them aren't in touch, but she's, it seems like she's keeping in touch with most people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She's, she keeping in touch with vigilante is the question.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's someone who we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me be clear about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope she's not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would let him tell me Alfax.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No thanks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think economists secretly loves those phone calls.
54:25.604 --> 54:26.324
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'll set it up.
54:30.927 --> 54:37.852
[SPEAKER_05]: Economos has been posted outside Chris's house by Rick Flag senior who is looking for any reason to arrest peacemaker.
54:38.232 --> 54:40.113
[SPEAKER_05]: Board and uncomfortable with this task.
54:40.434 --> 54:48.019
[SPEAKER_05]: Economos accepts daily phone calls from Adrian Chase, aka vigilante, to listen to him pretend to know how facts and other distractions.
54:48.039 --> 54:54.063
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it seems like vigilante is kind of lonely.
54:54.143 --> 54:56.425
[SPEAKER_05]: Like what do you think's up with him in peacemaker?
54:57.857 --> 55:00.819
[SPEAKER_05]: piecemaker like Chris is keeping him in a distance or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he doesn't know how to be friends with a guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't know how to do that.
55:13.768 --> 55:17.251
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think Dave is going to end up dead this season?
55:21.654 --> 55:23.015
[SPEAKER_05]: It's Richard Fennelfields.
55:23.463 --> 55:27.364
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see vigilante getting a little annoyed with Dave and, and lashing out.
55:30.125 --> 55:33.086
[SPEAKER_03]: Alan, no, no, he's not going to kill Dave.
55:35.727 --> 55:38.948
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what, maybe, Dave just end up dead by accident.
55:41.408 --> 55:42.849
[SPEAKER_05]: It might be collateral.
55:43.169 --> 55:46.111
[SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't in the opening dance.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He might be collateral.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think vigilante was like, it's going to just kill him.
55:52.355 --> 55:52.715
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I hope the alfax thing becomes a through line throughout the season though.
55:58.539 --> 56:02.241
[SPEAKER_05]: I hope the vigilante and us learn many alfax like their tubular eyes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did not know that I also had tubular eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea tubular eyes were even a thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we met two new people to Argus, or wait, did we meet Tim Meadows?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Tim Meadows is going to play in Argus, Agent Play, called Langston Flurry, but we did meet this episode, Saul Rodriguez, as Sasha Bordeaux.
56:40.714 --> 56:42.495
[SPEAKER_05]: And I realized I was like, what do I know here from?
56:42.575 --> 56:43.275
[SPEAKER_05]: And I looked it up.
56:43.736 --> 56:48.297
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was this cheesy Christmas movie I watched with my mom called, holiday in the vineyards.
56:49.198 --> 56:49.678
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh.
56:54.407 --> 56:54.947
[SPEAKER_03]: How was it?
56:55.207 --> 56:56.808
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't leave us hanging just there.
56:56.828 --> 57:02.371
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was amazing Christmas movie about falling in love in one country.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, it was brilliant.
57:04.252 --> 57:08.895
[SPEAKER_05]: It was so bad, but it was not good, but it was good.
57:12.657 --> 57:19.081
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I guess there's not much to say yet about those characters we're just getting them soft introduced.
57:19.261 --> 57:27.866
[SPEAKER_05]: So Saul Rodriguez is character Sasha Bordeaux, but I know Sasha Bordeaux does come from the comics, but I don't know anything about her.
57:28.527 --> 57:29.687
[SPEAKER_03]: She's part of checkmate.
57:29.808 --> 57:30.228
[SPEAKER_03]: She's part of
57:40.778 --> 57:43.180
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I wonder if she'll become a cyborg this season.
57:43.200 --> 57:45.822
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we might be seeing her origin story, maybe.
57:46.162 --> 57:46.562
[SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
57:47.263 --> 57:48.063
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be pretty cool.
57:49.585 --> 58:04.436
[SPEAKER_05]: And we also got another cameo from Superman, Michael E. and Black was back as they talking head on a conservative talk show called this fear news, talking about how met a human's breaking out of Arkham and Bell reverb.
58:05.256 --> 58:07.437
[SPEAKER_05]: dangerous, you know, just fear mongering stuff.
58:07.637 --> 58:10.918
[SPEAKER_05]: And Rick Flag Senior is for sure listening.
58:12.679 --> 58:16.460
[SPEAKER_05]: So I guess this Aaron is also your first encounter with Rick Flag Senior.
58:16.520 --> 58:20.421
[SPEAKER_05]: He was in Creature Commanders in Superman and now he's back.
58:20.942 --> 58:22.422
[SPEAKER_05]: What is your impression of him so far?
58:23.483 --> 58:29.185
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems like a really petty guy out for revenge trying to catch peacemakers slip up.
58:32.008 --> 58:36.851
[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw him, I had to look up the actor and frankly, a little bit more info about him.
58:37.311 --> 58:39.492
[SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked to learn that this guy is 60 years old.
58:39.532 --> 58:40.152
[SPEAKER_01]: He does not look 60.
58:42.554 --> 58:53.479
[SPEAKER_05]: So in creature commanders, he had white hair, but while they were recording this and are filming this and Superman, he was also at the same time filming, what is it, the Tulsa King?
58:54.460 --> 58:56.381
[SPEAKER_05]: So he had to have dark hair.
58:57.882 --> 58:58.102
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
58:58.809 --> 59:00.589
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he seems like an interesting character.
59:00.629 --> 59:03.630
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he might be the ultimate villain of this season.
59:03.650 --> 59:05.251
[SPEAKER_01]: And he might be the big bad.
59:06.691 --> 59:06.951
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
59:08.191 --> 59:13.472
[SPEAKER_05]: We hear him tell Sasha that he's moving the case to Argus priority one and Sasha's like, wait, what?
59:13.733 --> 59:15.213
[SPEAKER_05]: This seems like a personal vendetta.
59:16.633 --> 59:20.814
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's sending someone to secretly supervise a connoisseur secretly or not.
59:20.874 --> 59:22.155
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think, Jonathan?
59:22.915 --> 59:23.895
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not secretly.
59:24.817 --> 59:26.500
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, just sending him for a new bar.
59:26.520 --> 59:33.512
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just sending another pair of eyes on him, have a pair of eyes on make sure that he's doing what he's supposed to be done.
59:34.213 --> 59:37.057
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, because you won't be reflected into secrets.
59:37.919 --> 59:38.159
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
59:38.921 --> 59:42.082
[SPEAKER_05]: But you were right that he does know the piecemaker killed his son.
59:42.242 --> 59:46.123
[SPEAKER_05]: So we discussed that in the recap, um, yeah.
59:46.223 --> 59:49.963
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's just wasting as Sasha said a bunch of resources.
59:50.443 --> 59:58.145
[SPEAKER_05]: Or no, I guess, uh, economist said he's wasting a bunch of resources, surveilling him, just to see if he can pick him up for something.
59:58.265 --> 59:58.465
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
59:58.825 --> 59:59.025
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:00:00.506 --> 01:00:01.386
[SPEAKER_03]: Sounds familiar.
01:00:03.669 --> 01:00:14.015
[SPEAKER_05]: So Erin, when I was telling John that I don't think peacemaker is really like the boys, I also had to say admit that you're okay, there is an orgy scene, but it's different.
01:00:14.035 --> 01:00:18.158
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you think it's different?
01:00:18.658 --> 01:00:29.745
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's different in that in the boys, there was a very clear like what's happening here is really messed up and over the top.
01:00:31.351 --> 01:00:36.774
[SPEAKER_01]: And in peacemaker it seems a lot more normal if you can call an origin normal.
01:00:36.894 --> 01:00:37.294
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:00:37.454 --> 01:00:57.506
[SPEAKER_01]: It just the way that the boys did it felt Really horrible I mean I have people that are The worst is the worst is It is Oh Guys, it's like if you don't follow the boys in Instagram account or Twitter account
01:01:00.383 --> 01:01:05.026
[SPEAKER_01]: international accounts because they're making a lot of hero gasm file jokes right now.
01:01:05.626 --> 01:01:06.987
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, really about piecemaker?
01:01:07.948 --> 01:01:09.469
[SPEAKER_01]: No, just about there.
01:01:09.509 --> 01:01:10.109
[SPEAKER_01]: In general.
01:01:10.490 --> 01:01:10.790
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:11.390
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:01:12.971 --> 01:01:13.191
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:01:13.251 --> 01:01:18.755
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this was just, I called it, um, uh, I called it, uh, the episode of Second Breakfast.
01:01:18.775 --> 01:01:20.636
[SPEAKER_05]: We were just recording a normal origin.
01:01:20.796 --> 01:01:21.997
[SPEAKER_05]: I think what's a normal origin.
01:01:22.017 --> 01:01:23.818
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I don't know, just make a people party.
01:01:23.838 --> 01:01:26.480
[SPEAKER_03]: I think people party and doing drugs.
01:01:27.048 --> 01:01:30.750
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're not, like, nobody's dying for me.
01:01:31.211 --> 01:01:33.712
[SPEAKER_05]: They don't seem to have superpowers who just make people farting.
01:01:33.752 --> 01:01:34.433
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:01:34.933 --> 01:01:37.054
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't know what the casting call for that looks like.
01:01:37.715 --> 01:01:40.796
[SPEAKER_05]: It must be comfortable with nudity.
01:01:41.077 --> 01:01:47.921
[SPEAKER_05]: James Gunn has been in several interviews recently saying that, like, the, uh, it sounds like the intimacy coordinators, one of his favorite people on set.
01:01:48.911 --> 01:01:53.436
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that makes sense because there's a lot of people ordinated.
01:01:54.077 --> 01:01:55.878
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a good story.
01:01:55.899 --> 01:02:00.904
[SPEAKER_05]: I just tell them what I'm going for, and then they figure it all out with their comfortable with and how and yeah.
01:02:02.803 --> 01:02:07.864
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm, although noticeably Chris is not really participating in it.
01:02:07.924 --> 01:02:13.126
[SPEAKER_05]: He's just kind of sitting there on the couch and one point people start kissing him and he's like, oh, yeah, that's nice.
01:02:13.226 --> 01:02:21.448
[SPEAKER_05]: But then, you know, and then he goes, it seems like a really irresponsible time to open up the quantum unfolding chamber.
01:02:21.648 --> 01:02:22.048
[SPEAKER_05]: You think?
01:02:22.929 --> 01:02:23.369
[SPEAKER_05]: a little bit.
01:02:23.429 --> 01:02:30.354
[SPEAKER_03]: You think you don't want to open it when you've done a couple of lines of things, not just a one thing of things.
01:02:30.874 --> 01:02:32.235
[SPEAKER_05]: And you're about to lose strangers.
01:02:33.075 --> 01:02:35.717
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're not thinking straight after you've done those lines.
01:02:35.737 --> 01:02:37.378
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
01:02:37.438 --> 01:02:39.939
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like if not just coke either, you're doing things.
01:02:41.401 --> 01:02:45.762
[SPEAKER_01]: how did he find that door to the alternate dimension when he was so messed up?
01:02:45.882 --> 01:02:47.523
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:02:47.603 --> 01:02:52.064
[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't even find his own bedroom door in that state little room in the door of the different dimension.
01:02:53.385 --> 01:03:01.767
[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder, I mean, because they jumped six months from that first time when he discovers it because he's following Eglay to this period.
01:03:02.087 --> 01:03:03.788
[SPEAKER_05]: So I wonder if he has,
01:03:04.928 --> 01:03:20.531
[SPEAKER_05]: retrace the steps many times in between, but not had the, although I was going to say, but not had the guts to go through, but although it sounded like Sasha was saying to Rick Flag that this was the only the second time they detected it being open.
01:03:20.551 --> 01:03:21.531
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
01:03:22.731 --> 01:03:31.533
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't, I don't think he's actually done it again, like this is the first time since that initial shock of seeing his father.
01:03:34.195 --> 01:03:37.178
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a wee bully, if that adabio doesn't know about the door?
01:03:38.319 --> 01:03:38.559
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:03:40.220 --> 01:03:40.481
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:03:40.721 --> 01:03:44.184
[SPEAKER_05]: I think she would say if she did, and I don't see why Chris would tell her.
01:03:44.204 --> 01:03:45.525
[SPEAKER_03]: You right.
01:03:46.146 --> 01:03:47.867
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's told anyone.
01:03:47.907 --> 01:03:48.087
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
01:03:48.648 --> 01:03:50.590
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't tell anyone about the door at last season.
01:03:51.891 --> 01:03:52.671
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't think so.
01:03:52.732 --> 01:03:53.132
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no.
01:03:54.825 --> 01:04:08.148
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so Gun does say that this is somehow related to Lex Luger Luther's pocket universe, but we're not really sure like some something similar and how it's created as a space between dimensions.
01:04:08.928 --> 01:04:11.488
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but obviously they're not physically connected.
01:04:11.508 --> 01:04:15.389
[SPEAKER_05]: Although James Gun says that this one has 100 doors inside.
01:04:15.909 --> 01:04:19.270
[SPEAKER_05]: So one of them must be the DC EU.
01:04:20.631 --> 01:04:20.891
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:04:21.571 --> 01:04:22.172
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's a question.
01:04:22.332 --> 01:04:24.493
[SPEAKER_05]: He will talk about the multiverse.
01:04:24.513 --> 01:04:28.015
[SPEAKER_05]: She can shenanigans more in a moment, but he sees the alien in the other thing.
01:04:28.055 --> 01:04:34.839
[SPEAKER_05]: Like are these all different versions of, you know, something that all, a version of Algae built.
01:04:34.859 --> 01:04:41.363
[SPEAKER_05]: So, in some alien planet, there's an alien, Algae who built this door and is disposing of rats?
01:04:42.484 --> 01:04:43.584
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think so.
01:04:44.265 --> 01:04:44.445
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:04:45.641 --> 01:04:53.324
[SPEAKER_05]: They just have to connect in the same, because like Lex had his pocket universe, it felt like, you know, his place.
01:04:53.364 --> 01:04:56.706
[SPEAKER_05]: And this one has all these matching doors that connect.
01:04:56.766 --> 01:04:59.207
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm curious if we're going to learn how this is built.
01:05:00.547 --> 01:05:05.649
[SPEAKER_03]: That I think they have to let us know at some point how this all came to be, you know.
01:05:05.669 --> 01:05:09.371
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want to know.
01:05:09.391 --> 01:05:11.092
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want to know.
01:05:13.595 --> 01:05:40.714
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, so what you didn't see what you saw on the recap of Aaron from Superman is that this Lexus version ended up rip opening a ripped in that would like open to rift through metropolis basically and this is why Rick flag he has some reason for concern about the door, but it feels like he's going to take it too far for the wrong reasons.
01:05:42.195 --> 01:05:42.315
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:42.766 --> 01:05:50.990
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get any vibe that the situation in peacemakers basement is unstable or at risk of causing a problem.
01:05:51.010 --> 01:05:51.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:05:51.530 --> 01:05:51.850
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:52.250 --> 01:05:56.612
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that McClack is for sure targeting peacemaker for personal reasons.
01:05:57.873 --> 01:06:10.959
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we talked about it in the soups episode, in the peacemaker episode from season that we did the recap, his that technology seems so much more advanced and more stable than what Lex Kuthal had.
01:06:12.260 --> 01:06:14.081
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which is shameful, the Lexi Luther.
01:06:14.422 --> 01:06:14.602
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:06:14.682 --> 01:06:14.922
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:06:16.503 --> 01:06:16.723
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
01:06:17.304 --> 01:06:23.308
[SPEAKER_03]: So we don't know if it's, you know, then it come from Earth, then it come from somewhere else.
01:06:25.190 --> 01:06:25.410
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:06:26.871 --> 01:06:27.151
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:06:27.191 --> 01:06:28.993
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's pause there.
01:06:29.113 --> 01:06:29.853
[SPEAKER_05]: Take a quick break.
01:06:29.894 --> 01:06:34.557
[SPEAKER_05]: And when we get back, we're going to get into all the multi-versal shenanigans of this episode.
01:06:34.577 --> 01:06:35.478
[SPEAKER_05]: See you in my way.
01:06:47.669 --> 01:06:59.559
[SPEAKER_03]: One day, when it's snowing outside, Chris, who now lives in his deceased father's house, decides to take eagerly in the queue you see to stretch his wings, instead of going out into the cold.
01:07:00.279 --> 01:07:07.185
[SPEAKER_03]: There we see that this space is connected to doors into many other realities, both similar and wildly different from his own.
01:07:07.825 --> 01:07:14.571
[SPEAKER_03]: He follows eagerly to adore just like his, through which he finds a version of himself living what seems to be a much better life.
01:07:15.111 --> 01:07:20.996
[SPEAKER_03]: His brother and father are still alive, his father loves him, and they are crime-fighting trio called the trio.
01:07:21.857 --> 01:07:28.102
[SPEAKER_03]: This counterpart in his counterpart, in Hawkelet, were apparently in love a couple.
01:07:28.762 --> 01:07:39.691
[SPEAKER_03]: As he wonders at this different life he could have led the Chris from this universe comes home to find him in a taxom, following our Chris as he tries to retreat back to the QUC.
01:07:40.412 --> 01:07:43.894
[SPEAKER_03]: They're fighting for his life, our Chris kills the other Chris.
01:07:45.716 --> 01:07:47.097
[SPEAKER_05]: So far we've only we know there's imps?
01:07:47.935 --> 01:08:00.622
[SPEAKER_05]: Behind some of these other doors, we know there's a alien neighbor who wants a high who funny, funny enough is credited as the chiphotic alien, which chiphosis is just basically like sitting with a hunched back.
01:08:00.682 --> 01:08:03.944
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I need to stop doing as I'm at my computer.
01:08:05.805 --> 01:08:06.766
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious about that.
01:08:07.406 --> 01:08:13.850
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but Aaron, were you surprised to see adult Keith alive and well played by David Denman?
01:08:14.732 --> 01:08:26.344
[SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised I especially when we get the little scene at the beginning of the episode where peacemaker is in the alternate universe house and he's looking at all of the different photos.
01:08:26.364 --> 01:08:35.413
[SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering who's that third person that's clearly peacemaker, his father, and someone else, and I just had no idea who that could be, but I
01:08:37.061 --> 01:08:51.734
[SPEAKER_01]: then Keith shows up and it's just such a freaky experience for him where all of these years of grief come up and he has to face off against his brother who he killed and it's an emotional moment and it felt really powerful.
01:08:52.975 --> 01:08:57.439
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think the difference is like it did his father not run a fight ring in this reality?
01:08:57.459 --> 01:09:01.803
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I think that we're going to find out that
01:09:02.775 --> 01:09:05.417
[SPEAKER_01]: this version of reality is pretty bad as well.
01:09:05.497 --> 01:09:11.222
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the August, a lot closer to how he is in the main universe in this universe.
01:09:12.003 --> 01:09:20.269
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he hates his kids a little bit less, but I'm gonna say that he's still the racist, horrible person that he is in our universe.
01:09:21.710 --> 01:09:28.356
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I guess, so August Smith, Robert Patrick, he was a white dragon in season one.
01:09:28.376 --> 01:09:30.177
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess he's the blue dragon here,
01:09:32.823 --> 01:09:34.904
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's still, I don't know.
01:09:36.525 --> 01:09:38.446
[SPEAKER_05]: Still walking and talking like a duck to me.
01:09:40.007 --> 01:09:40.927
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think?
01:09:41.367 --> 01:09:43.488
[SPEAKER_05]: Show the top trio, though.
01:09:43.548 --> 01:09:44.989
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not a thing for the comics, right?
01:09:45.830 --> 01:09:47.410
[SPEAKER_03]: Not that I'm aware of, but I'll double check.
01:09:48.411 --> 01:09:51.532
[SPEAKER_03]: But I want this word.
01:09:51.713 --> 01:09:56.415
[SPEAKER_03]: I, when he walked through and the first time his father was happy to see him.
01:09:57.460 --> 01:10:18.337
[SPEAKER_03]: and then when his brother shows up and they're all sitting down and you know laughing and talking I so wanted this world to be like that to be good but then the real me shows up
01:10:19.820 --> 01:10:22.721
[SPEAKER_03]: and immediately says, shut that shit down.
01:10:23.682 --> 01:10:24.522
[SPEAKER_03]: It can't be good.
01:10:24.542 --> 01:10:29.204
[SPEAKER_03]: And not be good, like these people are horrible.
01:10:29.484 --> 01:10:31.545
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're just gonna wait to see what the horrible is.
01:10:31.565 --> 01:10:37.907
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, there's, I, the grass is not always greener.
01:10:38.627 --> 01:10:47.331
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is gonna, I am so sad for Chris that that's gonna play out that he's gonna learn that it's not always greener.
01:10:47.947 --> 01:10:53.449
[SPEAKER_03]: That, in fact, that it could be quite horrible, quite deadly, under the side of the fence.
01:10:54.290 --> 01:10:55.730
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what he's going to learn.
01:10:56.571 --> 01:10:58.532
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't trust, I don't trust a brother.
01:10:58.552 --> 01:10:59.892
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't trust the father.
01:10:59.912 --> 01:11:03.694
[SPEAKER_03]: This may be a world where all the races dreams came true.
01:11:03.714 --> 01:11:10.997
[SPEAKER_03]: We live in some sort of Nazi propaganda state assumption.
01:11:18.557 --> 01:11:23.138
[SPEAKER_03]: nice and welcoming as it appears right now.
01:11:23.798 --> 01:11:24.099
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
01:11:24.859 --> 01:11:29.920
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I have to say, Paulson, 20, point out in the discord that rainbow creature.
01:11:30.080 --> 01:11:38.783
[SPEAKER_05]: We see in the backgrounds, you know, top trio defeats ultrahumanite, which is like a super intelligent ape villain before Lex Luther.
01:11:40.223 --> 01:11:42.145
[SPEAKER_05]: And Rainbow Creature is an interesting one.
01:11:42.165 --> 01:11:44.006
[SPEAKER_05]: Nars points out.
01:11:44.066 --> 01:11:52.734
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyone by the way who doesn't know Nars is a lawyer master who requested that we always pronounce his name with a question.
01:11:54.395 --> 01:11:59.400
[SPEAKER_05]: But Nars pointed out that this is, yeah, it's kind of a suss monster to go with, that
01:12:00.400 --> 01:12:17.705
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe the rainbow creature the drains color might have deeper meaning and of of course reading up on this out of curiosity And so this comes this super old Batman villain from you know another cheap cut from James gun from Batman volume one number 134 from September 1960 so would go way back
01:12:22.847 --> 01:12:27.250
[SPEAKER_05]: This is, yeah, my summary I wrote up of the genuine actual in-universe lore.
01:12:27.650 --> 01:12:35.936
[SPEAKER_05]: So Rainbow Creature was born in Mobile, Kano in South America Republic as a want to be dictator was trying to take over the country.
01:12:36.536 --> 01:12:50.085
[SPEAKER_05]: Batman exposes the would be dictator's lies and chases him out of town using the power of a rainbow and then teams up the locals to defeat the creature by tricking him, tricking it into using up its powers until it blows away in the
01:12:51.607 --> 01:12:53.389
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't tell me what DC's not political.
01:12:56.032 --> 01:13:02.959
[SPEAKER_01]: The rainbow bat suit has been the targets and controversy lately, if you've been paying attention to the Lego Batman game.
01:13:06.706 --> 01:13:26.723
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, and I think that also it's not, you know, this, this fighting against the rainbow concept, it's not, it's not an accident that they reminded us in the opening audition scene that Chris Smith is by, you know, he's, he feels no personal shame for that.
01:13:27.063 --> 01:13:30.946
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, you know, it's, you know, so I can jigs a compliment as he says.
01:13:31.587 --> 01:13:32.968
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, love that, yeah.
01:13:33.420 --> 01:13:45.102
[SPEAKER_05]: but maybe in this universe, ooh, I'm wondering now if that's gonna be, if he, I'm assuming at this point, he's gonna like go and pretend to be himself some more and you know, just because he got a taste.
01:13:46.143 --> 01:13:56.025
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's how he outs himself by being open about that and they're like, what the, yeah, I'm interested in how, sorry, good.
01:13:56.325 --> 01:13:57.105
[SPEAKER_03]: No, look at that.
01:13:58.205 --> 01:14:06.331
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested in how Alternate Amanda Harcourt is going to play into all of this because she was a prominent part of the dance in the opening scene.
01:14:06.911 --> 01:14:07.412
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
01:14:08.412 --> 01:14:21.782
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she was given me, I don't know if you guys've had any sinister vibes from that, but like maybe it was because I know they have to do serious faces for that dance, that's where they're instructed to do because it's funny or that way, but also like the conservative
01:14:28.011 --> 01:14:28.351
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:14:28.511 --> 01:14:28.971
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think?
01:14:29.031 --> 01:14:30.152
[SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome.
01:14:30.272 --> 01:14:30.892
[SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome.
01:14:31.613 --> 01:14:35.134
[SPEAKER_05]: And we find out that she is now with quote unquote, that jar head.
01:14:35.234 --> 01:14:38.616
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, someone in the marines, what if it's Rick Flag?
01:14:38.636 --> 01:14:39.256
[SPEAKER_03]: Rick Flag.
01:14:39.296 --> 01:14:39.416
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:39.516 --> 01:14:39.957
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:40.177 --> 01:14:40.617
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:40.817 --> 01:14:41.297
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:41.537 --> 01:14:41.597
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:41.637 --> 01:14:42.998
[SPEAKER_05]: Who keeps making her killed?
01:14:43.018 --> 01:14:45.239
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome.
01:14:46.260 --> 01:14:46.820
[SPEAKER_05]: I could see that.
01:14:48.361 --> 01:14:51.522
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that I don't know if they would keep that secret till the end.
01:14:52.523 --> 01:14:53.243
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, anyway.
01:14:55.189 --> 01:15:04.679
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm super, I'm interested to see like, okay, if this is how this season is starting out, how is it going to escalate from here?
01:15:09.052 --> 01:15:12.834
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean it's gonna it's gonna be a wild ride.
01:15:12.854 --> 01:15:31.304
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's gonna be one hell of a ride because they really their dish-o-gives absolutely zero-fucks and they're gonna tell this story and this story is not for the faint of heart so buckle in
01:15:33.391 --> 01:15:54.170
[SPEAKER_05]: were you excited to hear the reference to they said that Chris Smith and that other universe went to blued haven which is Gotham sister city yeah well you know night wing the Grayson calls home in the comics now so for a long time and that's exciting that's exciting
01:15:54.977 --> 01:16:03.800
[SPEAKER_05]: I think if it entices you at all area and I think it's I seem to remember I think yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely from Harley Quinn that she goes at one point there.
01:16:04.781 --> 01:16:05.061
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
01:16:05.561 --> 01:16:12.804
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all of the robins, especially nightwing or some of my favorite characters and I see comics so.
01:16:13.581 --> 01:16:13.721
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:16:13.921 --> 01:16:14.362
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
01:16:14.422 --> 01:16:19.105
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope we get some kind of reference if not a little bit of a cameo from that would be awesome.
01:16:19.906 --> 01:16:20.026
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:16:20.086 --> 01:16:28.152
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're setting it up is, I mean, I suppose perhaps Nightwing exists in this universe, but I'm not holding my breath for cameo.
01:16:28.172 --> 01:16:28.292
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:16:28.312 --> 01:16:33.236
[SPEAKER_05]: It would be funny if they invite it, if James Gunner introduced Nightwing before Batman.
01:16:33.837 --> 01:16:34.457
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:16:34.617 --> 01:16:38.060
[SPEAKER_03]: I got the vibe that there are no other heroes in this universe.
01:16:39.294 --> 01:16:40.755
[SPEAKER_05]: in the other alternate universe.
01:16:40.815 --> 01:16:43.957
[SPEAKER_03]: In the alternate universe, like the trio's the thing.
01:16:43.977 --> 01:16:46.319
[SPEAKER_05]: That's me.
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:52.863
[SPEAKER_03]: I have five, like they've run this town, like this entire universe.
01:16:53.523 --> 01:16:55.745
[SPEAKER_05]: They certainly have a lot of money.
01:16:56.645 --> 01:16:59.727
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot of accolades.
01:17:00.488 --> 01:17:03.330
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe instead of Lord Tech, maybe it's Augie Tech.
01:17:06.426 --> 01:17:10.811
[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of money, a lot of accolades, a lot of, you know, like trophies, almost.
01:17:11.552 --> 01:17:11.833
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:17:12.073 --> 01:17:12.353
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:17:13.675 --> 01:17:16.959
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and they all, um, I'll be shared jet packs with his son.
01:17:17.019 --> 01:17:17.860
[SPEAKER_05]: They all get to fly.
01:17:18.201 --> 01:17:20.223
[SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't, peace make a rave of jet pack in the comics?
01:17:20.664 --> 01:17:20.844
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:17:21.847 --> 01:17:25.149
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I'm assuming this one will just steal that.
01:17:25.249 --> 01:17:30.232
[SPEAKER_05]: And hopefully we get some fun training montage scenes with individual anti-shabby involved.
01:17:32.433 --> 01:17:34.775
[SPEAKER_03]: Do not use the Jelanti Jet Pax, please.
01:17:34.895 --> 01:17:38.217
[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be a disaster.
01:17:38.937 --> 01:17:43.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Our peacemaker might already have a jet pack if he hadn't put a spike through alternate peacemaker.
01:17:44.081 --> 01:17:44.741
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's true.
01:17:44.801 --> 01:17:47.162
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess that got the jet pack too, right?
01:17:47.363 --> 01:17:48.683
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's right.
01:17:48.763 --> 01:17:49.244
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
01:17:50.408 --> 01:17:52.029
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what do you think that spike was?
01:17:52.129 --> 01:17:54.670
[SPEAKER_05]: Is this random spike and spiky spike in the ceiling?
01:17:56.091 --> 01:17:56.751
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't know.
01:17:57.392 --> 01:17:58.652
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why we need answers.
01:17:58.972 --> 01:18:00.994
[SPEAKER_03]: Random, gobble the group technology.
01:18:01.014 --> 01:18:01.254
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:18:02.094 --> 01:18:03.155
[SPEAKER_03]: We need answers.
01:18:04.375 --> 01:18:05.656
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the double kill in spike.
01:18:09.461 --> 01:18:36.167
[SPEAKER_05]: It was funny though to see the other bedroom and how it's just like everything's a little bit off like it reminded me Okay, so there's a Hanoy rocks, but instead it's banned that we know piece make it that likes and but instead of rocks spelled ROCKS It's ROXX Scorpions with the Z reminds me of like Reminds me of Thunderbolts like we're the Avengers with the Z Like there's just something off on this one.
01:18:36.247 --> 01:18:36.347
[SPEAKER_05]: It's
01:18:36.767 --> 01:18:41.789
[SPEAKER_05]: Poor some honey, poor some honey on me, which is not something that's not going to happen.
01:18:42.829 --> 01:18:46.791
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it just feels like we're being warned.
01:18:47.111 --> 01:18:47.811
[SPEAKER_05]: We're being warned.
01:18:49.392 --> 01:18:56.594
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, was you guys think of the new O-Lord song for the opening number by Foxy's Foxy Shazam,
01:19:00.380 --> 01:19:09.945
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the whole opening dance number was very, you know, Broadway, and I enjoyed it.
01:19:10.805 --> 01:19:16.108
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was everything about it, the song, the dance, the, yeah.
01:19:16.368 --> 01:19:21.971
[SPEAKER_03]: It just felt like taking from a musical that I could have wanted to watch.
01:19:23.492 --> 01:19:23.892
[SPEAKER_03]: Really cool.
01:19:24.707 --> 01:19:26.547
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to speculate about some future stuff.
01:19:26.587 --> 01:19:39.330
[SPEAKER_05]: So if anyone does not want to hear about stuff in the trailers, then we'll say goodbye to you now and we'll be back next week around the same time with a breakdown of episode two.
01:19:39.691 --> 01:19:41.051
[SPEAKER_05]: And we've been glad to have you.
01:19:41.471 --> 01:19:52.013
[SPEAKER_05]: If you want to look ahead with us, yeah, we're starting with this opening number, again, choreographed by Chris Barton, who did the season one, choreo.
01:19:54.814 --> 01:20:20.407
[SPEAKER_05]: have some meaning for the season as he also said no season one so it's interesting it's about it's it's a hungry world they're going to eat you alive um when they're fangs sinking i'm like vampires no i don't really it's not literally are there there must be vampires in dc so yeah i can't think of any i'm like oh there's one but no marvel no that's marvel
01:20:25.078 --> 01:20:48.527
[SPEAKER_03]: DC did a whole alternate thing on going DC versus vampires, so yeah the second round of storytelling is about to end but which was a great you know all it is all universe type of story but they told was really awesome okay okay hmm
01:20:50.218 --> 01:21:04.303
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I'm looking through these lyrics more and there's also you try and sleep even though you're alone you just close your eyes boy you dream of home the light is always on so I think this is talking about how his universe is his real home.
01:21:05.825 --> 01:21:12.072
[SPEAKER_05]: and the light is always on for him to go back to it, because there's always a wrong to your right and there's always a war somewhere to fight.
01:21:12.292 --> 01:21:12.692
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
01:21:13.513 --> 01:21:26.327
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think every universe has its pros and its cons, but maybe Chris is a better person in his universe, even though he killed his dad and his brother, or especially because he killed his dad in a shame about his brother.
01:21:26.347 --> 01:21:27.388
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:21:27.748 --> 01:21:34.513
[SPEAKER_05]: So so hide the song away for a darker day when you're on your knees screaming Oh Lord, I'm always there to keep you in mind when you wake in the morning.
01:21:34.553 --> 01:21:35.394
[SPEAKER_05]: You'll be satisfied.
01:21:36.455 --> 01:21:44.661
[SPEAKER_05]: I do notice that in the opening number there seems to be some emphasis on the romance between Chris and Amelia.
01:21:45.442 --> 01:21:45.702
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:21:46.302 --> 01:21:48.304
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd just add father-other of you.
01:21:48.324 --> 01:21:52.047
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, um, together.
01:21:52.067 --> 01:21:54.348
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're made for each other with their issues.
01:21:54.408 --> 01:21:54.649
[SPEAKER_01]: I think
01:21:55.587 --> 01:21:59.949
[SPEAKER_01]: either they're going to work to destroy each other, or they're going to work to heal each other.
01:21:59.969 --> 01:22:01.070
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which one though.
01:22:02.231 --> 01:22:04.172
[SPEAKER_05]: There's two versus versions, so maybe both.
01:22:04.772 --> 01:22:05.052
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:22:06.793 --> 01:22:09.274
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot can go wrong with that pairing.
01:22:09.414 --> 01:22:10.355
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot can go wrong.
01:22:13.247 --> 01:22:17.069
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we, we get some teases of who else might be coming this season.
01:22:17.369 --> 01:22:18.810
[SPEAKER_05]: There's an older woman in the back.
01:22:18.850 --> 01:22:21.671
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know anything about, we'll find out who she is.
01:22:22.092 --> 01:22:34.318
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a bunch of agents I suppose dressed in all black, but too, who we do recognize one from last season is Nittles returning as a judo master aka Rip Jager.
01:22:36.160 --> 01:22:40.303
[SPEAKER_05]: We know from the trailers apparently he's going to be assigned to a condomose team.
01:22:40.443 --> 01:22:43.805
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think he's assigned to work for a condomose or is this supervisor?
01:22:45.366 --> 01:22:48.208
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh guys, I think he's assigned to kill him if he has to.
01:22:49.649 --> 01:22:54.853
[SPEAKER_05]: He's just seeing like the Rick Flags like joining your team is this and he's a come-on.
01:22:58.075 --> 01:23:00.356
[SPEAKER_01]: They're unresolved beef will definitely get in the way.
01:23:00.376 --> 01:23:00.436
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:23:01.137 --> 01:23:01.317
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:23:03.901 --> 01:23:10.564
[SPEAKER_05]: And we know we're getting Michael Roker is in the opening dance and he's going to be playing a character.
01:23:11.325 --> 01:23:13.706
[SPEAKER_05]: I already hate called Red St.
01:23:13.766 --> 01:23:22.810
[SPEAKER_05]: Wild and the official description of this character is the world's foremost Eagle Hunter who is on a mission to kill E. Why?
01:23:22.830 --> 01:23:22.890
[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
01:23:24.390 --> 01:23:25.671
[SPEAKER_03]: Eagly never hurt nobody.
01:23:26.305 --> 01:23:30.830
[SPEAKER_05]: I know, except those people we saw on Kill, but they deserve it.
01:23:31.130 --> 01:23:32.431
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not his fault.
01:23:32.471 --> 01:23:33.292
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just an evil.
01:23:37.416 --> 01:23:39.578
[SPEAKER_05]: It's potato chips psychosis, you know.
01:23:39.598 --> 01:23:40.659
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
01:23:44.420 --> 01:23:56.327
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I'm looking forward to in the trailers, we get the tea's vigilante, hopefully, um, we get the scene that plays out where it looks like he's showing up at the origin the next morning to confront to confront Chris.
01:23:57.468 --> 01:24:08.334
[SPEAKER_05]: We also are going to meet vigilante's mom, but it looks like from the trailers we're going to see a bit of out of bio vigilante and Chris as a trio together and I'm all in for that.
01:24:10.093 --> 01:24:16.239
[SPEAKER_05]: John, you and I will, with Eglie, we said those were our three favorite characters.
01:24:16.900 --> 01:24:17.040
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:24:18.615 --> 01:24:35.605
[SPEAKER_05]: And it seems in the trailers we see Chris will tell out of bio about the QUD, I mean, I guess economists already did, but it looks like she's going to help him, looks like peacemakers going to be exploring those other dimensions more predictably, but he also seems to be carrying around some sort of portable portal tech.
01:24:35.785 --> 01:24:39.847
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know who could have like, good max lowered, come back and make something like that or what?
01:24:40.407 --> 01:24:41.388
[SPEAKER_05]: Or does he already have it?
01:24:46.081 --> 01:24:49.724
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, maybe from the August myth over there, something.
01:24:49.744 --> 01:24:50.705
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:24:50.925 --> 01:24:57.850
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was interesting how casual the alternate universe trio was about going through those doors.
01:24:57.970 --> 01:25:04.835
[SPEAKER_01]: They seemed like they've been exploring the alternate dimensions pretty much since peacemaker and Keith were kids.
01:25:05.476 --> 01:25:05.756
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:25:06.236 --> 01:25:06.316
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:25:06.356 --> 01:25:06.937
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
01:25:06.957 --> 01:25:11.781
[SPEAKER_05]: That was probably why he didn't think it was weird that he was in there in the hallway.
01:25:12.061 --> 01:25:14.222
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I suppose, yeah, if they had a better
01:25:15.572 --> 01:25:17.113
[SPEAKER_05]: seemed like oh he used a lot.
01:25:18.873 --> 01:25:19.854
[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder about their mom.
01:25:19.974 --> 01:25:21.074
[SPEAKER_05]: We never hear about that.
01:25:21.554 --> 01:25:21.955
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't.
01:25:23.175 --> 01:25:34.180
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe she maybe she like I we don't know if she died in in the DC universe or what but maybe in the southern universe she was around more.
01:25:34.200 --> 01:25:36.461
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:25:36.921 --> 01:25:40.042
[SPEAKER_05]: Any last thoughts on this episode or hopes
01:25:43.811 --> 01:25:44.171
[SPEAKER_03]: hopes.
01:25:45.652 --> 01:25:48.193
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me all about the queue.
01:25:50.094 --> 01:25:53.375
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know how these dimensional doors got there.
01:25:53.395 --> 01:26:04.300
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see you don't have to show it to me being done, but I need some sort of explanation for that.
01:26:04.400 --> 01:26:08.682
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one big thing that I want to get out of the season.
01:26:09.602 --> 01:26:09.982
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.
01:26:12.599 --> 01:26:19.224
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna put down some internet points here and say, the season is gonna end with economists as the head of Argus.
01:26:19.944 --> 01:26:20.385
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
01:26:21.566 --> 01:26:22.826
[SPEAKER_05]: Instead of a man who all are.
01:26:23.427 --> 01:26:24.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
01:26:24.908 --> 01:26:25.729
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:26:25.769 --> 01:26:27.230
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
01:26:27.590 --> 01:26:31.833
[SPEAKER_05]: We do think that there's a wall or show still coming, but we don't know what that's gonna look like at all.
01:26:32.874 --> 01:26:33.014
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:26:33.994 --> 01:26:36.176
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they end up putting that wall or show out.
01:26:36.216 --> 01:26:37.717
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome.
01:26:38.398 --> 01:26:38.818
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be.
01:26:40.220 --> 01:26:46.168
[SPEAKER_05]: And I hope someone else is in it, but I don't want to spoil it for air, and even though we've talked about it in previous episodes.
01:26:47.169 --> 01:26:48.731
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all right, I don't mind spoilers.
01:26:50.333 --> 01:26:50.754
[SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
01:26:53.462 --> 01:27:00.624
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, well, so we'll, we'll be back every week to talk through the piecemaker episodes as I come out eight episodes in total.
01:27:00.724 --> 01:27:05.286
[SPEAKER_05]: We do not have access to screeners, so we will be doing them a few days after like this one.
01:27:05.306 --> 01:27:13.088
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, the episodes themselves drop on HBO max on Thursday evenings in the Americas Fridays for the rest of us.
01:27:14.068 --> 01:27:27.663
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and the next next week's episode, it looks like the longest we know so far as you said, John 48 minutes titled, a man is only as good as his bird, which is so true, the Eglista.
01:27:33.507 --> 01:27:43.890
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I'll also put links in the show notes to the recent Superman coverage and creature commandos coverage from January, if you're still catching up on DCU with those.
01:27:44.630 --> 01:27:51.532
[SPEAKER_05]: And Marvel fans also, you'll find in the show list recent episodes on IronHards, fantastic for first steps.
01:27:51.972 --> 01:27:54.713
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be doing Isive Wakanda coming up soon.
01:27:54.733 --> 01:27:57.614
[SPEAKER_05]: We just were catching up on this other stuff and life stuff.
01:27:58.830 --> 01:28:03.133
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, of course, we've got a couple more Marvel shows coming this year.
01:28:03.714 --> 01:28:08.417
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, would you most looking for Tijon Marvel zombies or Wonderman?
01:28:08.497 --> 01:28:10.859
[SPEAKER_05]: Actually, I think I know the answer, but... Wonderman.
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:12.680
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:28:12.700 --> 01:28:13.281
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Wonderman.
01:28:13.301 --> 01:28:15.322
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, what about you, Aaron?
01:28:16.443 --> 01:28:17.464
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you going to watch either of them?
01:28:18.164 --> 01:28:20.546
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll definitely watch Marvel zombies.
01:28:20.586 --> 01:28:21.727
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you about Wonderman.
01:28:22.007 --> 01:28:22.307
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:28:24.789 --> 01:28:26.833
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm excited for them both for the different reasons, yeah.
01:28:28.075 --> 01:28:30.480
[SPEAKER_05]: So what's going on in Radioactive Ramlings?
01:28:30.841 --> 01:28:32.604
[SPEAKER_05]: Gen Vs come starting soon, right?
01:28:33.353 --> 01:28:38.435
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we will be doing full coverage of GenV and then fall out shortly after that.
01:28:38.895 --> 01:28:40.555
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they overlap just a little bit.
01:28:42.156 --> 01:28:56.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Until then, we will have some sporadic episodes of either Studio Ghibli or fall out lore, but now is a good time if you haven't listened to any of our fallout lore episodes to go back and listen to especially the Legion and Mr. House episodes.
01:28:57.361 --> 01:28:59.702
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you know what your next Studio Ghibli movie's gonna be?
01:29:01.323 --> 01:29:01.644
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:29:02.506 --> 01:29:05.493
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it's going to be pork aroso.
01:29:05.513 --> 01:29:06.475
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:29:06.596 --> 01:29:07.638
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's a lot of sort of.
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:08.200
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:29:09.342 --> 01:29:09.803
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a fun one.
01:29:10.678 --> 01:29:24.669
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, well, if you want to find radioactive randlings, you'll find a link tree in the show notes with links to all the affiliates, including never mind the music for psychology meets music, rings and rituals, going deeper on rings of power.
01:29:25.730 --> 01:29:39.000
[SPEAKER_05]: Properly how words movie reviews is wrapping up their bacon rap season, although Anthony was just saying that they're going to sneak in an extra episode about the new movie friendship with Tim Robinson and Kate Marra.
01:29:40.696 --> 01:29:41.697
[SPEAKER_05]: and Paul Rudd.
01:29:41.997 --> 01:29:48.263
[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, that's one that I was already looking forward to seeing, so I'm looking forward to them doing that episode about it.
01:29:49.404 --> 01:30:04.958
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll shift dust, doom book coverage, the store was kind of timeline podcasts coming back soon with more hybrid public coverage and subscribers were going to get some, I think a couple short recap episodes about the material,
01:30:05.697 --> 01:30:14.023
[SPEAKER_05]: leading up to the new season of Star Wars visions, which is going to have some repeat stuff and going deeper on the Ronin book and things like that.
01:30:14.083 --> 01:30:21.388
[SPEAKER_05]: So also on the main Laura Hound's feed, foundation season three coverage is ongoing with John and Marilyn.
01:30:21.408 --> 01:30:21.908
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you watching that
01:30:27.070 --> 01:30:28.152
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just incredible.
01:30:28.313 --> 01:30:35.747
[SPEAKER_01]: The visuals, everything about it, and John and Marilyn's coverage is such a great companion to go along with that.
01:30:36.389 --> 01:30:36.649
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:30:37.069 --> 01:30:37.289
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:30:37.449 --> 01:30:39.370
[SPEAKER_05]: I love getting the book reader perspective.
01:30:40.310 --> 01:30:44.711
[SPEAKER_05]: And David's leading weekly coverage of Alien Earth, they just dropped.
01:30:45.031 --> 01:30:56.814
[SPEAKER_05]: So we did last week a guilty age episode, which was our record at the time at nearly three hours covering the first three seasons of the guilty age talking about the history and the characters and what's coming.
01:30:57.414 --> 01:30:59.915
[SPEAKER_05]: And then David beat us, I think, by eight
01:31:06.616 --> 01:31:13.602
[SPEAKER_05]: He had this week as his guest host Mark from Nevermind the Music and Ian from Captain's Pod.
01:31:13.682 --> 01:31:17.785
[SPEAKER_05]: So I haven't gotten to that just came out and I haven't gotten to listen to it yet.
01:31:17.825 --> 01:31:18.666
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking forward to it.
01:31:19.446 --> 01:31:21.108
[SPEAKER_05]: You're watching Alien Earth as well right Aaron.
01:31:21.128 --> 01:31:23.329
[SPEAKER_05]: You John and I talked about it before which is what I see.
01:31:23.770 --> 01:31:28.013
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually am very far away from the Alien franchise.
01:31:28.093 --> 01:31:32.217
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I watched the original Alien movie and that's about it.
01:31:32.477 --> 01:31:33.758
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I have for my belt.
01:31:33.798 --> 01:31:33.958
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:31:34.617 --> 01:31:46.608
[SPEAKER_05]: okay well you don't have to have watched anything for alien earth it's set just before the original movie okay is it worth the watch you think so yes okay yeah I might have to check it out then
01:31:47.327 --> 01:32:08.114
[SPEAKER_05]: It's yet, it's Noah Hawley who is a very inventive TV otter, I would say, you know, he really has unusual ways of framing things with the camera and telling stories and with unreliable narrators and, you know, trippy visuals and yeah.
01:32:09.094 --> 01:32:10.895
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm a suckers for sci-fi.
01:32:10.935 --> 01:32:11.596
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm in.
01:32:12.096 --> 01:32:12.977
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:32:13.097 --> 01:32:13.518
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:32:14.658 --> 01:32:14.939
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:15.719
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:32:16.120 --> 01:32:25.327
[SPEAKER_05]: If anyone at home has any feedback about the piecemaker show that you want to share, we can we'll discuss it on a future episode, just send that to comics versus.
01:32:25.827 --> 01:32:49.985
[SPEAKER_05]: comics vs at the lowerhouse.com you'll find that in the link in the show notes as well and also in the link tree in the show notes is a link to our discord where there is a forum with spoil it chats per movie or show or episode of peacemaker under the dc u forum currently under current shows if you're listening to it later you'll find it under franchises and
01:32:52.377 --> 01:33:03.445
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01:33:04.205 --> 01:33:17.795
[SPEAKER_05]: All of the content from the public feed, plus bonus contents like extra episodes for certain shows, like Andor and Wheel of Time and Rings of Power, which watch in short episodes about things like,
01:33:18.855 --> 01:33:37.952
[SPEAKER_05]: weapons or life with Chuck things like that and also are monthly second breakfast and 11's episodes just released before this will be the Poutine episode and then this month is David's month doing 80s 90s spoofs and airplane is the big winner there.
01:33:38.033 --> 01:33:41.676
[SPEAKER_05]: So I think this is going to be my first time watching airplane.
01:33:42.657 --> 01:33:42.977
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
01:33:43.728 --> 01:33:43.988
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
01:33:44.728 --> 01:33:45.009
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:33:45.049 --> 01:33:45.229
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:33:46.529 --> 01:33:48.650
[SPEAKER_05]: I know, like, don't call me Shirley.
01:33:48.710 --> 01:33:50.651
[SPEAKER_05]: I know that's, you know, from airplane.
01:33:50.671 --> 01:33:54.012
[SPEAKER_03]: I know- It's hard side as next to you.
01:33:54.973 --> 01:33:55.493
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:33:55.893 --> 01:33:56.533
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:33:56.633 --> 01:33:57.614
[SPEAKER_05]: It's probably for the best.
01:33:58.834 --> 01:33:59.114
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:33:59.194 --> 01:34:01.335
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:34:02.796 --> 01:34:03.976
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to put on some music now.
01:34:03.996 --> 01:34:04.676
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you ready for it?
01:34:04.696 --> 01:34:05.477
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:34:05.557 --> 01:34:07.277
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God.
01:34:07.357 --> 01:34:08.118
[SPEAKER_05]: 80s folder again.
01:34:09.277 --> 01:34:11.920
[SPEAKER_05]: in honor of peacemakers journey.
01:34:12.500 --> 01:34:13.381
[SPEAKER_05]: Odyssey, here we go.
01:34:13.401 --> 01:34:14.442
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to say some thank yous.
01:34:15.563 --> 01:34:17.805
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this is actually a much mellower than I expected.
01:34:19.867 --> 01:34:21.449
[SPEAKER_05]: But still, thank you.
01:34:21.549 --> 01:34:29.797
[SPEAKER_05]: To our discord server boosters, Aaron Kay, to load the thriller, do of 71, Athena Agilea, Lestu, Nancy M, go to partition and radioactive Richard.
01:34:30.778 --> 01:34:35.542
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you to our lore master, Samarshan Michael G. Michelle E. Brian E. S.C.
01:34:35.642 --> 01:34:36.282
[SPEAKER_05]: Peter O'H.
01:34:36.482 --> 01:34:39.064
[SPEAKER_05]: Adam S. Nancy M. Doe 71.
01:34:39.144 --> 01:34:39.465
[SPEAKER_05]: Brian 863.
01:34:40.105 --> 01:34:45.849
[SPEAKER_05]: Frederick H. Sarah L. Carrot C. Matthew M. Sarah M. Andre B. Kwon-Nune.
01:34:46.050 --> 01:34:46.930
[SPEAKER_05]: Dedichadibab.
01:34:47.090 --> 01:34:49.672
[SPEAKER_05]: Nathan T. Alex B. Sub-Zero.
01:34:49.992 --> 01:34:50.793
[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron Kagan.
01:34:51.193 --> 01:34:52.534
[SPEAKER_05]: Daly B. Mothership 61.
01:34:52.574 --> 01:34:52.875
[SPEAKER_05]: Naros.
01:34:54.776 --> 01:35:16.937
[SPEAKER_05]: Cathy W. Lestoo, Jeffrey B. Lisa, you, Neil F. Benby, Scott F. Stephen N. Julia F. Callie S. Elmario, forward slash Tim, Paul K. Bobby C. Jessica H. Redzippy, aka Lisa C. I saw just before we started recording that the TCS just became a lower master as well.
01:35:16.997 --> 01:35:17.677
[SPEAKER_05]: So welcome.
01:35:18.478 --> 01:35:20.060
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you and welcome.
01:35:21.403 --> 01:35:27.045
[SPEAKER_05]: And, John, what are your final thoughts to share with the world this fight in episode?
01:35:27.945 --> 01:35:37.588
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, again Kevin Feige, Recaste Chala, Damson Idris, desktop playing games, man, just come out and do it.
01:35:38.128 --> 01:35:39.468
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what the people want.
01:35:40.269 --> 01:35:48.051
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be 20, 20, 6, and a few months, stop playing games, Recaste Chala.
01:35:49.082 --> 01:35:52.284
[SPEAKER_05]: and James Gunn bring back Alta's Hodge as Hawkman.
01:35:52.624 --> 01:35:52.985
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
01:35:53.005 --> 01:35:53.805
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we could do that too.
01:35:54.065 --> 01:35:54.306
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:35:55.206 --> 01:35:58.088
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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the lower-hounds, look at Season 2 of Peace Maker.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Alicia the Iglie lover, one of your guides to the Quantum Unfolding Chamber.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm John Hawkoz, Biggest Hader, and co-host of Comic Versus, does the DC Universe, where we're suspicious of dragons of any color.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Alicia and I are not alone for our Peace Maker coverage, not this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Aaron, the only host of radioactive randlings with the taste level to appreciate the genius of this series.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're here today to recap and analyze episode one of season two, the ties that grind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't yet listened to John and Alicia's season one breakdown for spoiler free discussion of the show overall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Background on production and a recap of season one and the suicide squad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I listened to it yesterday and it was fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're this time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to do spoiler free.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to just jump right into the first episode of season two.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All spoilers on the table and that does include everything else like in in the DCU DCEU anything DC movies TV comics all of that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's check in, Jean, what do you think the ties the grind, the title of the episode?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, you know, James gun loves his funny titles, but what do you think this means?
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[SPEAKER_05]: The ties the grind.
01:39.547 --> 01:42.948
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, wow, what an opening question, Alicia.
01:48.671 --> 01:51.992
[SPEAKER_05]: And why is 42, the meaning of life, the universe of everything?
01:52.112 --> 01:55.633
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on my first cup of coffee and there's nothing in it.
01:55.833 --> 01:57.294
[SPEAKER_03]: But look at that mercy.
01:57.974 --> 02:05.857
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, wow, I think that watching that episode just, what holds people together,
02:08.529 --> 02:09.349
[SPEAKER_03]: tears them apart.
02:10.650 --> 02:29.594
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought about that, you know, the family structure that Chris has, when he stepped through the door and saw this other family structure that he didn't have, right, and how those people were tied together in a way that he seemingly never had.
02:30.254 --> 02:34.555
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's trying to get with, you know, the 11th street crew.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think that's what to me,
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[SPEAKER_03]: that would be the meaning of the title for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we know that this is a show that's about relationships.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is about the good and the bad of it, I suppose.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, how you can be corrupted by someone like Archie Smith or you know, how love is A.B.O.I.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Supposed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Erin, here's a question for you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Are you guys injured Gen V, by the way?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Come on out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're definitely going to do Gen V. And that might overlapped a little bit with our fallout coverage, but people are working over time during that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The full lot coverage was good too, so yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Also, John just started.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He just watched the first piecemaker episode, and he at his first take was like, is it like the boys?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_05]: How is peacemaker like or not like the boys?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like the boys in that it's a very violent kind of played up universe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, it doesn't have that same twist of all of the heroes being horrible people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They make a lot of jokes about it, but it's not a world that's inherently broken and over the top and the way that the boys is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think it has more heart, I would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we're sure, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if piecemaker were in the boys, he would not have any kind of redemption, he would just be full and evil the whole way through.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He wouldn't be questioning it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, while we're talking to you, since we didn't get to check in on you, what's your story with piecemaker?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You were interested in talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So what drew you to this show?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Did you
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did watch it live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came to the party a little bit late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I...
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[SPEAKER_01]: came to it about halfway through the run in season one because of different podcasts that I enjoyed was watching it and it just sounded like a fun time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched Suicide Squad and definitely enjoyed that, but I honestly had no interest in a show about Peace Maker until I had heard that it was good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought such a strange character to be making a spin-off about and they just proved me completely wrong and I was so glad that I ended up hopping on that bandwagon.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And any favorite characters?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vigilante is definitely up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that season one, Mern was a really interesting character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sad that he's not going to have much of a present, or not really any presence in season two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At a bio is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't have a whole lot of love for hardcore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm in the same boat as you, John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I didn't get quite an host.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome aboard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the captain of the anti-falk collection.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just so many characters to love in this series and they do a good job of making sociopaths loveable.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you said that you were a fan of the Suicide Squad, the 2021 James Gunwon, how about the new DCU so far?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Have you watched Creature Commandos and Superman and what do you think overall?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've really only got into this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really need to go to Superman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone that's seen it has told me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the best movie I've seen all year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My choice is the other day when I went to the movie theater, we're fantastic for or Superman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I chose fantastic for it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, can't go wrong again.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Would you think of fantastic for it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a return to
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[SPEAKER_05]: cool.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well then you got to get on Superman because we're going to talk about some crossover stuff this episode too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't mind spoilers, so go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Alright, so this episode was about peacemaker interviews for a spot in the Justice Gang while hardcore struggles to find work on the heels about a bio's bombshell press conference economists is forced to surveil peacekeeper under Rick Flag senior's new management.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Sean, let's start with you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What is your overall hot takes about the ties that grind?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought it was a nice fun start to the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have questions about things, which is always a good thing for episode one for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One in to see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get some answers to some things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this first episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: sense, you know, that the tie-ins with the, when we would talk about the episode more, but the tie-ins that they had with soups I thought was really cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They did it well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like, you know, hit you over the head of a hammer, you know, type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was really, you know, played well into the story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I get points for saying that like senior knows I did it further in the notes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I gave your points.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you were right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Black senior knows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was a nice, you know, I'm glad they didn't drag that out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like whether either he knows or he doesn't and they let us know immediately and now is very happy about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: awkward, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She, she needs help.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, she, yeah, I feel for her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like her, but I recognize that this is someone who's screaming off of some sort of assistance from somebody somewhere, someplace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I hope she gets it because she's just as fucked up as Chris is mentally.
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[SPEAKER_05]: At this point, perhaps even more, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we don't, we kind of know why Chris is the way that he is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not sure I know why alcohol is the way that she is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm hoping to get some clue into what makes her this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What, you know, how was she formed to be this person that she is?
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[SPEAKER_03]: because she's terrifying, um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what can I say about, you know, graveyard, like, you see a badass, like, he has a gun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He got almost has a gun now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's walking around surveilling people, doing all sorts of, uh, you know, undercover work, like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to see if this guy is really going to start, you know, taking what he did in season one up to a whole new level.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, is he going to be on the level of everybody else on the show as tremor in terms of, you know, just straight up, bang, bang everybody in sight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would have seen it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I agree with pretty much all of those points.
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[SPEAKER_05]: By the way, I just want to apologize for any background noise and my side of the mic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's the peak day of a once and five year festival that takes place in my neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's something about side and it's getting real loud out of what's in the school.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, okay, Erin, you came into this season
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say it lived up for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, we got to a certain point where I thought the episode was almost over when Chris is walking through all of the doors and then it just kept on going and I was like, wow, we, we got a lot of content in this first episode, but a few of the plot lines are worrying me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I really care for an ongoing, good, soggy and living Keith plot line
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[SPEAKER_01]: multi-verse side of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it would be more interesting for Chris to confront his demons in other ways.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a less serious note, I want to know how vigilante is still in practice as a possible way when he's cursing at his boss and going out for 30-minute phone calls with a con of most.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And crashing his wedding uninvited?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my, that would be the last straw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what is the say about what's his name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: that he keeps on punts that he must have some kind of affinity for vigilance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what a reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What does it say about him?
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's secretly like me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my favorite kind of retcon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one that isn't really acknowledged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that the flashback being a retcon version of the ending of season one was just awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so well done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need a whole explanation of oh we're in a different universe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here
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[SPEAKER_01]: they did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They moved on and now this is where we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fight choreography for the hardcore part fight, that might have been my favorite part of the episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was really well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was, I mean, yeah, the fight choreography feels really real in this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you feel the bones crunching and it doesn't because that is a pet peeve of mine when you really feel like it's staged.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And in a case, it feels visceral.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally did.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, I mean, I agree with most of the above, like, uh, I want, I'm hoping for more vigilante.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking forward to that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, that's coming.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Please, and thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, everybody's favorite.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I, yeah, I am glad that they did not prolong any of these things.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, indeed, just ripping off the band aid and starting the season running with the whole,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, with setting up where they are at this point with setting up this other universe, I thought, you know, I have to sing the trailers that Chris might wrestle with killing his other self to take his place, but this is, I'm glad it's just over with and he's like, opening, what do I do with that?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I mean, I think it might take a bit for this season warm up and we were talking about season one grew 40 more than 40% while it was airing and, you know, airing your positive of that as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and I have a feeling this is going to, because it's such a dense TV landscape, it's going to take a couple episodes for this to really warm up, but I think that they are laying the foundations here for what's going to be really satisfying, multiversal story.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I am,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm in the camp of like everybody, please stop hating on multiversal storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've been into this stuff since I think I've read my first two multivers stories in a way or extra-dimensional stories, flatland and the boy who reversed me, I when I was like 12, I read them really close to each other.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And they blew my mind, and I've been obsessed ever since, and I'm like now we might finally be getting, you know, like everything everywhere all at once, that was very satisfying multi-bursal tale.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The comic books deliver a lot of satisfying multi-bursal storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They do for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so this feels like it might be playing on those promises because what makes multiversal storytelling interesting to me is the question I do sit in my day and think about like oh what about the Alicia who ends a Columbia and studied screenwriting instead of what I did you know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What happened with her?
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[SPEAKER_05]: What is she doing now at this point in her life?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Things like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, this is really exploring that, the emotional aspects, the how we're shaped by circumstance aspects.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's going to go deep.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We already got John Cena crying and episode once.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And let me shout out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me shout out John Cena, essentially just
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[SPEAKER_03]: not in the camp of even thinking that he could pull something like this off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, it's amazing that the range that he shows in this show is truly amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, I never would have considered him to be able to pull any of this
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[SPEAKER_03]: any of the the seeds that he's pulling and making me feel like wow, like it's kudos to him because he he's an actor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's an actor and he's he's just amazing in this show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He really brings this cartoon to life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um Aaron were you a fan of this season
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was my favorite part.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I never skipped it, that's the correct answer.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just the soundtrack is so magnificent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: James gun always puts a killer soundtrack in anything he does.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And would you think of, we'll talk about, we'll talk about the new one, more toward the end, because there's some clues about what's coming.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But what did you think about it over all the new one?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Are you happy with it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it felt a lot bigger and I feel like we got a good idea of which characters are important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like that beginning dancing is a spoiler for the rest of the series of who's going to be important and who's not, and I kind of appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so wait, who was not in it that, uh, I mean, okay, one person who was not in it that I clocked was out of Bayer's wife, Kia from last season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She was in last season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's been not this one, but then you never know because there were some characters that just didn't show up and yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, so yeah, the season, all the episodes were written by James Gunn, this one was directed by him, although he did share the directing duties with others on the other episodes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This, the multiversal element of this story, it's partially also inspired by Philip Roth's The Counter-Life, apparently, which I haven't read, but now I want to, it sounds quite interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, apparently it was going to be more so like that that they decided to go in this direction.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think, I think they're setting up for emotional payoff and also just for the explaining how all the DC stuff connects.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, Jean, how long is the episode and what are people saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this first episode was 44 minutes, rotten tomatoes, yeah, 44 minutes, no, it was pretty good, rotten tomatoes has a 98 season one was a 93 so that's, yeah, that's a market change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Metacritic has it after seventy eight season one what's a seventy which is again pretty High praise When we compare them season the season So yeah, I think we don't know how long episode six seven eight will be But season episode two is gonna be 48 minutes
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the next two episodes three and four under and five are really under 40 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm interested to see how that plays in with the story telling like I don't want things to get crammed and you know
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess it makes sense to have the longer, again, as you said, we don't know the length of the last three episodes because James gun is keeping them under lock and key because Apparently they're respoilers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Major spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm wondering if we're going to get some kind of crazy crossovers or something.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But But I think it makes sense to have the first two episodes be on the longer end because it gives you time to establish things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially with the multi-versal angle and the new characters from the new DCU, they kind of have to establish this new universe for us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Ah, well, I mean, off to a good start.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's take a quick break and when we get back, let's talk about what actually happened in the episode.
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[SPEAKER_05]: See you in second.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so previously in the DCU, which John, what did you think about the, yeah, catch you up retcon?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Retcon recap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm cool with it, but you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know how I feel.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You didn't like that Caval was replaced with another Superman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's all good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's all good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love this new soup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Caval was my guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a bit of sweet moment for me, but it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On to the new.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But to make up for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, Gordon Sweat, as I've already said, is my Superman, do you?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who's your overall errand?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you haven't seen it yet.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who's your Superman?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm already adopting Corn Sweat as my mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are Superman, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I haven't seen it,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like Henry Cavalle a lot as an actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he puts his all into everything that he's in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can tell he loves the character, but I just have such a disconnect from the Snyderverse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not mess with that era of superhero movies whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm totally on board embracing the new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I like that corn sweats, you know, again, we did a whole episode about Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't link it in the show, but I like, I like, you know, this is a large part how James Gunn is writing and directing and also, of course, and also, um,
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[SPEAKER_05]: in how David corns fight himself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's portraying it, but that mix of like being that hopeful boy scoutish, but with vulnerability and feels emotions, and yeah, just like this take on Superman, a lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and he's embodying it well in my personal opinion.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, anyway, oh, fun fact, though, I learned in an interview recently that Peter Safron, the seldon spoken of business side of the, you know, he's the partner of James Gun at the head of DC Studios.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's the one who actually pushed to start with Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, you got to start with Superman, you have to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Make sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Make sense.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But coming from the business side, that's promising, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, because he, I think he gets it, you know, just by doing that for me, he gets it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you have to, like the DC universe has to start with soups.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It has to start with Batman, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, but soups is the guy that you have to start with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're going off on a new tangent, you're telling these new stories about these characters, you have to start with soups.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And for anyone who's confused, the Batman is in a separate universe, and we talk about that culture episodes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But we'll see, we'll see what happens in this one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It hasn't been rolled out to have been anyway.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But the DCEU, Caval, and Ben Affleck, and all of those, that was they appeared at the end of season one as a Justice League.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and we saw the silhouettes of the
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[SPEAKER_05]: you, Justice League.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's for a place here with the DCU justice gang.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you not only get corn sweats great, but you also get Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner's Green Lantern and Hawke girl and kind of a surprise to see in there, but I guess not super girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You were saying, no, I guess not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We know she must have been around for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I wasn't surprised this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, yeah, and then the jokes about about Aquaman fucking fish is replaced with jokes about guy gardeners and peacemakers as he puked on him on writing on a magic green carpet ride and guy liked it and guy says that's false.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Chris in this instance.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, um, but yeah, it's just a reminder that that that scene, those scenes were subbed in happened before the events of Superman and now this episode we're talking about today happened after very shortly after the events of Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I guess Erin, you answer the question, do you think people need to have seen Superman before they watch season two piece maker?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess you didn't feel like you missed
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[SPEAKER_01]: definitely think that a little bit of context could have been added for me if I had seen the movie just with the recap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to say they make an off-handed reference to Lex Luther at some point during the episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they talk about him with the dimensional doors and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that part of it I was a little confused.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't sure what they were referencing, but it wasn't anything that hindered me from enjoying the episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I
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[SPEAKER_01]: go right ahead and watch peacemaker and you will be totally happy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's get into the episode itself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to talk about it plot arc by plot arc, not seen by scenes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we might discuss some scenes out of order.
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[SPEAKER_05]: John, do you want to set us up for peacemakers audience?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, out of bio drives Chris Smith aka peacemaker to an audition with the Justice Game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now that he's a superhero who saved the world
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[SPEAKER_03]: thanks to a faulty PA system.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peacemaker walks out of the interview, totally dejected.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why do you think he wants to join the Justice Gang in the first place?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, the legitimacy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a mess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Him as a superhero for real for real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's not in the shadows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not working covertly to kill people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's, you know, part of a team that people recognize
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[SPEAKER_03]: as doing good, which is what he wants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants people to see him as doing good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if he can ever escape that legacy that his father settled to him with sort of guilt by association and probably guilt by doing things that his father told him to, but he definitely wants to try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a good thing for him to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily think he'll ever escape that stink, though.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's, that is an interesting thing for them to explore with the alternate universe, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, does he not have that stink on him?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Does he have a different stink on him, you know?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just don't believe things are so perfect over there as they seem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so we saw white rabbit leaving in tears.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course I had to look it up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, who is this playboy bunny looking superior?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And apparently it's Jaina Hudson, daughter of an American diplomat and Bollywood actress who has a split persona.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's kind of like a more limited version of duplicated from invincible and moonlight from Marvel.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But
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[SPEAKER_05]: literally whitewashing because when she goes into the superhero she gets blonde she's like a half Indian woman you know from India and when she goes into superhero form she becomes a light skin blonde woman so I'm very I mean it's a typical deep catalog pool from James gun but I wonder what he's if we're going to see this character if this is just like here's a weirdo character or
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[SPEAKER_05]: if that means something more.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did notice when peacemakers watching her go and she's in this kind of playboy bunny type costume, he's not looking at her in a sexual way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's just looking at her like, what the hell's going on?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So is that growth?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Which is his nerve, take over it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think his nerves, I don't know if it's growth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll give him credit for growth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, there were three characters in this scene that we met in Superman, and so Aaron was this your note, who is Maxwell Lord, is that from you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, okay, so you know the answer to it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to answer it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the thing is, I know the answer to it, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: think of Tony Stark without the Iron Man suit right in the beginning he has a long history in DC Comics father was committed suicide but was committed to helping people so he wants to do the same thing um but then in different DC sagas like crisis on infinite earth's invasion
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh at one point he's like a robot replace but now he's a flesh and blood person with metagene powers to control my control people that's unlocked but he was killed by um
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wonder Woman, because he was about to take over the world and kill all the heroes, a big story with, you know, all sorts of layers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot, it's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He actually killed Ted Cored, another hero.
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[SPEAKER_03]: program that Batman had installed to watch the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was able to take this program over and the OMAX were going to, you know, basically destroy everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wonder Woman kills him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sounds like a program Iron Man would like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the interesting thing is,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know Max Lord as a villain, right, gun was asked about that and he had a response, so done, let me bring it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So someone asked gun, let me credit the person in Jeremiah, 28, 82, hey, Mr. Guns, so the guy that's funding the Justice Gang is Maxwell Lord, isn't that character of villain in the
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[SPEAKER_03]: James Gunn response term is as Max was recanted as sort of a muscular evil doer, after originally being conceived by Jim Demattis as a multi-layered character who was morally great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Along with skinny Amanda Waller, it wasn't one of my favorite comic reimaginings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All Max is inspired by the original version, so don't be waiting for him to shoot Blue Beetle in the face.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we should say he's played in the DCU by Sean Gun, James Gun's brother, who's he also plays the Weasel and he did in creature commandos the what's his face.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's the robot's name again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: G-I-G-I-Robin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's your robot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My future command will not online.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're... Yeah, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, G.R.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Robot, but those, of course, are just his voice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So he can play a different character that shows his face.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But we've seen him, we saw he got to have a cameo in Superman and we saw that, you know, in piecemaker and in Superman, if you pay attention to the technology that they're using, it will often be branded Lord Tech.
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[SPEAKER_05]: which is obviously his company, and we know he's a sponsor, the sponsor of the Justice Gang and the DCU, so it's not a surprise to see him there at auditions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's very true to the comics that he's a sponsor of the Superhero team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to work with the meta humans in order to make the world better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he turns evil, so I'm wondering if, you know, when they mentioned him in the
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[SPEAKER_03]: Max is doing this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, okay, what's going on here, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then see him sitting in the interviews with green, with green lantern and hog girl.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like I can't fully trust what James Gunn is saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really I can't fully trust it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't fully trust him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He was the character also the Patriot Pascal played in Wonder Woman 1984, which is a totally different reimagined version, but you could see, yeah, definitely a villain.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, we'll keep an eye on Maxwell Lord, whatever James God says.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was just going to say, he's definitely an asshole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I get a quite villainous vibe out of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he might just be a little bit of a jerk.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you definitely, we actually see more of him in this episode of Peace Maker than we solve him in the movie Superman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He just showed up like we just saw him get out of a car at the end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I thought it was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just based on, you know, what John said, James Gunset aside is based on what I know of his character in previous iterations.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He said, put socio-pathy there for peacemaker.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When, you know, we've had discussions on this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do not think peacemaker is a socio-path, please.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think he's got things wrong with him, not that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like Maxwell Lord typically is more so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: yes, I would agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see where it goes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is one character that I'm keeping my eyes out and the overall DC universe, because I want to see how he plays into what gun, what these universe comes to be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to play a large role personally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think he's going to play a large role.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's, I mean, he's going to be pulling some strings for
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you mean he was going to play like a super villain role.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe like we'll say it would be interesting because there are a lot of super intelligent characters being set up and also like these a lot of like tech froze being set up in the James gun DC universe.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So
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[SPEAKER_05]: wondering if he's going somewhere, a particular direction with that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So Aaron, this was then your first exposure to Guy Gardner, the Green Lantern play by Nathan Fillian, and Hawke girl, aka Kendra Saunders play by Isabella Merced.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What did you think of those characters from this glimpse?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a duo I need to see infinitely more of the two of them together real hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, their comments from behind that wall were cracking me up the whole time for Chris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that guy's been so much, but it didn't make it any less funny, especially when he starts going into his whole spiel about his family and Hawke girl immediately says, let's get some popcorn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, it's another sob story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Terrible people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'll three of them are terrible, talking about a full woman's camel to us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Several people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just like, the thing about Guy Gardner is like, he clearly lacks empathy, you know, he thinks it's funny that they said, you know, the people heard these horrible hurtful things about themselves.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But it does seem like he mostly does the right thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Would you say that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he mostly does the right thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There'll be a dick about it, but.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's a hero in a way that Chris is not a hero.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Guys, even though he's a jackass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a jack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's like, yeah, I wouldn't consider him to be an anti-hero or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's not the Punisher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not, he's not peacemaker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a hero.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We know we're getting a lantern core show next year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to explain quickly what that is?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a lantern core show?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, it's going to be, I know that Guy Gardner will be, and it also will be, also know there will be the two other- multiple grad lanterns, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a, we don't know much about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Except that is, you know, is John Stewart and
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[SPEAKER_03]: The two main green lanterns, as far as I'm concerned in DC universe, comics, um, yeah, doing some crime solving, and what looks like to be some rural community in the middle of the US.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, I, I want my green lanterns to be green lanterns, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it seems like we've so far, if we've only seen the DCU guy gardener, I'll say, Erin, when you see Superman, you'll get to see gardener use his powers a lot, and I think that that was really cool how they did it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't have the protectiveness of the Green Lanterns the way you do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you'll be the one to say if they miss step.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So far I'm like so far it's cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they haven't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, what we've seen so far is great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just wondering what the story will be in the Lantern TV show with John and how.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And for
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[SPEAKER_03]: Interpol, police force or, you know, going through different sectors of the universe to ensure that Evil doers and criminals are both to justice and to try to stop bad things from happening and how High-Guardner and how are both
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[SPEAKER_03]: everybody has a different sector of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like think of it as like police to have that are in different precincts, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up with the Ryan Reynolds Green Lanterns, so I have very low expectations, so I hope so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me started.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was me going into the new, um, then the new fantastic for us, like, well, but I've seen the, you know, I watched the other movies, I think they can do better.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and did you watch any of the animated series, like, jessously young, jessously, any of those?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have been,
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[SPEAKER_01]: halfway through season one of the Harley Quinn animated series for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, but keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I need to get back on that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the Justice League cartoons were ones that I would watch whenever they were on TV when I was younger, but I never went all the way through one of them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely for a younger audience, but still with, I think, you know, mature storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think those just until JLA cartoons were some of the best D.C.
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[SPEAKER_03]: storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Quite honestly, young justice, all that stuff was really, they told some really great stories, and they did it really well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so fans of those might be more familiar with Hawke girl.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we got, we discussed this, I guess when we were discussing Superman, but we got confirmation James Gunn does, or she says, Isabella Merced, the actress who plays her, says that it is Kendra Saunders, but it's a combination of two different versions of Hawke girl from the comics, so she is still the reincarnated, was it ancient Egyptian, what's Hawke girl story?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Hawke-Girlen and Hawke-Man, they have traditionally been portrayed as reincarnations of two Egyptians that each time they die, they come back and they've been living in different lives for thousands of years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so with their memories intact, so they know, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what they're, that's who they are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that reincarnated, I guess, partners, lovers, whatever you want to hold them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we did get in the DCEU, so we're talking to Cavalverse, not the current sweatverse.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We did get
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[SPEAKER_05]: I, a Hawkman that I really liked, in Black Adam, we got out as Hodge, and I thought the Justice Society was far and away, the best part of Black Adam, but I think we're losing all of those actors and like, bring back how this Hodge is Hawkman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Black Adam was, God, that's nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that was, that's my lowest ranked in the DCE if I remember correctly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, sorry, were you a fan?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, you already said that the Snyder verse wasn't your bag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I watched most of those movies, but I don't think I enjoyed any of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even when the Snyder cut came out, I was just sitting there like, I don't get what the hype is about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a longer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been so simple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What makes this one so special?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a bad for the Snyder cut.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For that four hour film, it was a call that's Citizen Kane.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's sweater sniffing ways.
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[SPEAKER_05]: More slow moos of Jason MamaWa.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, but they should bring back Hawkman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: My question, though, is where I will, okay, two questions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: One is about Hawkerl, is that from the animated series, I have to admit I have not read her comics, so though I'm curious to do so, but I know she can be a dark and unpredictable character.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm curious if James Gown is going to play on that at all.
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[SPEAKER_05]: My other question is, where's Metamorphoth?
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[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't even mention him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They already have a new team member.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They do, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this takes place before the audition, I think the audition was after everything yeah, yeah, okay, okay, that's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then and more for was one of my favorite characters and Superman, I mean, not everybody needs to sit in the interview as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, he doesn't need to send the interviews, but I just would have liked to, well, we already have one new team member acknowledgment.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't make me nervous.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you, Erin, do you hope to see more of the justice gang this season?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't see Guy Gardner at least three or four more times, I'm going to be disappointed for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love the bull cut for the record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought that the bull cut was the biggest villain in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it suits him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, do you want to set up some sucky job hunting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Amelia Harcourt and Leota Atabio are also having a rough time getting work after Atabio exposed Argus's shady operations publicly at the end of the last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Atabio has now separated from her wife and lives in what economists call the worst level of grand theft auto.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Amelia doesn't know where to funnel her anger now that she's been rejected by every government agency and dies diagnosed with toxic masculinity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Chris shows up at Harcourt's house to check in on her, she refers to a mysterious night on a party boat between seasons that she calls a mistake while Chris clearly hopes for something more.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, Jean, you are on record on our season one recap of being a Harcourt Hader and also being a show.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you, I mean, what did you think watching this?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Were you thinking like, oh, I'm getting more insight or were you like more of her being her?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, this more of her being her and me being horrified at her being her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, truly, um, yeah, she's, she's, she's tough to like then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I don't, and I'm on record.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like peacemaker even, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like peace and make it and I don't like not these are two people who are very difficult to like for me Which is why I just showed so good because I still want to watch this show even though I don't like these you know Some of the main characters that have an intense this like for But she is just
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[SPEAKER_03]: When she's in the car and she's punching the dashboard, I'm like, girl, like, if that's not a sign that you need serious help, you know, you need some serious walking through your trauma, whatever the trauma is, you need to get some help, um, is there no one in our life that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: recognizes this at all because I think everyone's trying to help Chris, but it seems like, you know, yeah, just she's alienated a lot of people this seems like.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I, first of all, it's interesting and also commentary, I think, on the way these things work in government jobs and things like that is she's being diagnosed with something but not in a way of like, oh, let's help you through this, but in a way of this is why we're rejecting you now go deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did notice she brings up she's like what is that the DSM 3 there which is the diagnostic and statistical manual it is the sort of handbook for clinical psychology in terms of breaking down what different disorder behavior looks like.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and, you know, the classifications thereof, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, I immediately clocked it because, you know, I have a background studying psychology.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She said the DSM 3.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That went to out of use in 1987.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we are currently up to the DSM 5 now as pointed out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's been in use since 2013.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, it made me wonder, you know, I look at the date 1987, was she diagnosed with something in childhood, was she put in therapy in childhood, was she had a bad experience, is there something she's pulling through from that, because that's such a specific thing for her to know and get wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Erin, what do you think of her behavior of going to the bar and drinking alone?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she was definitely hoping for a fight when she walked into that greasy bike or bar to hopefully she wanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just wanted to beat someone up who deserved it and she got what she asked for for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was such a satisfying scene when she breaks the beer bottle over that guy's head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though she ends up getting kicked out of the bar just that little bit of
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[SPEAKER_01]: choreographed bar fight was just awesome, but her and Chris are for sure a dysfunctional match made in heaven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're made for each other and it makes it all the more unfortunate that she's pushing away the only person who seems to really understand what she's going through.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it's because we see also Chris dealing like she seems to, you know, we saw her going to the bar alone in the first season is like guys just leave her alone, but then you notice she does hope someone starts some shit so that she can fight but in the same time like Chris is not his toxic behavior is not in wanting to fight everyone it's in escaping into drugs and sex.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So they are kind of two sides at the same coin in a way and just they're running away from their problems and ways that might be harmful.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what did you guys think about all of the overdue bills that she had?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if she's gonna have to go on the run or be with someone's child?
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[SPEAKER_03]: She needs a job, she needs a job and meeting a job and when she says one of my supposed to do, right, when she's walking out, this is all I've known.
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[SPEAKER_03]: right it's it's that some real shit you know you've been doing something most of your life and have been pretty good at it and not at telling you that the one thing that you think you've been pretty good at you can't no longer do and it's not because of something that you did that that's pretty fucked up you know what I mean but then to go into a bar
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, sit there waiting for someone to say the wrong thing and you know it's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So she picked that bar on purpose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She went in there with the intent to start some shit and hurt some people and maybe get hurt herself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, yeah, it's a cry for help man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: who's going to get it and at what cost to the people around them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, her behavior makes me wonder if she genuinely has been black bold by her blacklisted by Amanda Waller or if all of these agencies are looking at her and saying this is a person who really isn't fit to be in this agency.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's, I think it's Waller, because those those agencies don't do fuck.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Waller, Waller is the least cannon in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, sign me up for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I need to end more of those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We need to end more of those on the team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I really think it is Waller, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: To be fair though, we did see hardcore and peacemaker absolutely murder 30 seconds to Mars this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was so bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's Jared Letho hate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You think you really do?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: James Guns even made comments about two Jared Letho about he's not like the man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's real loud.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He was basically, he was pulling a Kendrick and dropping a district.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I respect it a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Gun, I didn't know you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was just editing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: God, you're sweating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's dope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you love to see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, speaking of passing the popcorn.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But John, what do you think about out of bio?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think she is, has okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: She claims, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're all struggling, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're all struggling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're out here, like, she's separated from her wife.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Look at the car she's driving, I mean, it's bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: she did the right thing and she's suffering for doing the right thing yeah you know she outed the people who needed to be outed let the world know what was going on her mother at that and it cost her it cost them and she doesn't look right she doesn't look okay to me she's trying to look okay by helping Chris but she's not okay
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, do you think her security consulting companies going to do well?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that at some point this season, we're going to see economists out on his ass from our guests.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see everyone just struggling and running from the government together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're they're not in good positions in life right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everything is really tenuous, you know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think this could be a villain team-up origin story?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, out of bio, she is still, we see her.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She's still the emotional glue of the team.
53:56.597 --> 54:01.522
[SPEAKER_05]: It seems like most of them aren't in touch, but she's, it seems like she's keeping in touch with most people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She's, she keeping in touch with vigilante is the question.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's someone who we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me be clear about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope she's not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would let him tell me Alfax.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No thanks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think economists secretly loves those phone calls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'll set it up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Economos has been posted outside Chris's house by Rick Flag senior who is looking for any reason to arrest peacemaker.
54:38.232 --> 54:40.113
[SPEAKER_05]: Board and uncomfortable with this task.
54:40.434 --> 54:48.019
[SPEAKER_05]: Economos accepts daily phone calls from Adrian Chase, aka vigilante, to listen to him pretend to know how facts and other distractions.
54:48.039 --> 54:54.063
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it seems like vigilante is kind of lonely.
54:54.143 --> 54:56.425
[SPEAKER_05]: Like what do you think's up with him in peacemaker?
54:57.857 --> 55:00.819
[SPEAKER_05]: piecemaker like Chris is keeping him in a distance or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he doesn't know how to be friends with a guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't know how to do that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think Dave is going to end up dead this season?
55:21.654 --> 55:23.015
[SPEAKER_05]: It's Richard Fennelfields.
55:23.463 --> 55:27.364
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see vigilante getting a little annoyed with Dave and, and lashing out.
55:30.125 --> 55:33.086
[SPEAKER_03]: Alan, no, no, he's not going to kill Dave.
55:35.727 --> 55:38.948
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what, maybe, Dave just end up dead by accident.
55:41.408 --> 55:42.849
[SPEAKER_05]: It might be collateral.
55:43.169 --> 55:46.111
[SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't in the opening dance.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He might be collateral.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think vigilante was like, it's going to just kill him.
55:52.355 --> 55:52.715
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I hope the alfax thing becomes a through line throughout the season though.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I hope the vigilante and us learn many alfax like their tubular eyes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did not know that I also had tubular eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea tubular eyes were even a thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we met two new people to Argus, or wait, did we meet Tim Meadows?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Tim Meadows is going to play in Argus, Agent Play, called Langston Flurry, but we did meet this episode, Saul Rodriguez, as Sasha Bordeaux.
56:40.714 --> 56:42.495
[SPEAKER_05]: And I realized I was like, what do I know here from?
56:42.575 --> 56:43.275
[SPEAKER_05]: And I looked it up.
56:43.736 --> 56:48.297
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was this cheesy Christmas movie I watched with my mom called, holiday in the vineyards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh.
56:54.407 --> 56:54.947
[SPEAKER_03]: How was it?
56:55.207 --> 56:56.808
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't leave us hanging just there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was amazing Christmas movie about falling in love in one country.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, it was brilliant.
57:04.252 --> 57:08.895
[SPEAKER_05]: It was so bad, but it was not good, but it was good.
57:12.657 --> 57:19.081
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I guess there's not much to say yet about those characters we're just getting them soft introduced.
57:19.261 --> 57:27.866
[SPEAKER_05]: So Saul Rodriguez is character Sasha Bordeaux, but I know Sasha Bordeaux does come from the comics, but I don't know anything about her.
57:28.527 --> 57:29.687
[SPEAKER_03]: She's part of checkmate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's part of
57:40.778 --> 57:43.180
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I wonder if she'll become a cyborg this season.
57:43.200 --> 57:45.822
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we might be seeing her origin story, maybe.
57:46.162 --> 57:46.562
[SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
57:47.263 --> 57:48.063
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be pretty cool.
57:49.585 --> 58:04.436
[SPEAKER_05]: And we also got another cameo from Superman, Michael E. and Black was back as they talking head on a conservative talk show called this fear news, talking about how met a human's breaking out of Arkham and Bell reverb.
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[SPEAKER_05]: dangerous, you know, just fear mongering stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Rick Flag Senior is for sure listening.
58:12.679 --> 58:16.460
[SPEAKER_05]: So I guess this Aaron is also your first encounter with Rick Flag Senior.
58:16.520 --> 58:20.421
[SPEAKER_05]: He was in Creature Commanders in Superman and now he's back.
58:20.942 --> 58:22.422
[SPEAKER_05]: What is your impression of him so far?
58:23.483 --> 58:29.185
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems like a really petty guy out for revenge trying to catch peacemakers slip up.
58:32.008 --> 58:36.851
[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw him, I had to look up the actor and frankly, a little bit more info about him.
58:37.311 --> 58:39.492
[SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked to learn that this guy is 60 years old.
58:39.532 --> 58:40.152
[SPEAKER_01]: He does not look 60.
58:42.554 --> 58:53.479
[SPEAKER_05]: So in creature commanders, he had white hair, but while they were recording this and are filming this and Superman, he was also at the same time filming, what is it, the Tulsa King?
58:54.460 --> 58:56.381
[SPEAKER_05]: So he had to have dark hair.
58:57.882 --> 58:58.102
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
58:58.809 --> 59:00.589
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he seems like an interesting character.
59:00.629 --> 59:03.630
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he might be the ultimate villain of this season.
59:03.650 --> 59:05.251
[SPEAKER_01]: And he might be the big bad.
59:06.691 --> 59:06.951
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We hear him tell Sasha that he's moving the case to Argus priority one and Sasha's like, wait, what?
59:13.733 --> 59:15.213
[SPEAKER_05]: This seems like a personal vendetta.
59:16.633 --> 59:20.814
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's sending someone to secretly supervise a connoisseur secretly or not.
59:20.874 --> 59:22.155
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think, Jonathan?
59:22.915 --> 59:23.895
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not secretly.
59:24.817 --> 59:26.500
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, just sending him for a new bar.
59:26.520 --> 59:33.512
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just sending another pair of eyes on him, have a pair of eyes on make sure that he's doing what he's supposed to be done.
59:34.213 --> 59:37.057
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, because you won't be reflected into secrets.
59:37.919 --> 59:38.159
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
59:38.921 --> 59:42.082
[SPEAKER_05]: But you were right that he does know the piecemaker killed his son.
59:42.242 --> 59:46.123
[SPEAKER_05]: So we discussed that in the recap, um, yeah.
59:46.223 --> 59:49.963
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's just wasting as Sasha said a bunch of resources.
59:50.443 --> 59:58.145
[SPEAKER_05]: Or no, I guess, uh, economist said he's wasting a bunch of resources, surveilling him, just to see if he can pick him up for something.
59:58.265 --> 59:58.465
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
59:58.825 --> 59:59.025
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:00:00.506 --> 01:00:01.386
[SPEAKER_03]: Sounds familiar.
01:00:03.669 --> 01:00:14.015
[SPEAKER_05]: So Erin, when I was telling John that I don't think peacemaker is really like the boys, I also had to say admit that you're okay, there is an orgy scene, but it's different.
01:00:14.035 --> 01:00:18.158
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you think it's different?
01:00:18.658 --> 01:00:29.745
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's different in that in the boys, there was a very clear like what's happening here is really messed up and over the top.
01:00:31.351 --> 01:00:36.774
[SPEAKER_01]: And in peacemaker it seems a lot more normal if you can call an origin normal.
01:00:36.894 --> 01:00:37.294
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:00:37.454 --> 01:00:57.506
[SPEAKER_01]: It just the way that the boys did it felt Really horrible I mean I have people that are The worst is the worst is It is Oh Guys, it's like if you don't follow the boys in Instagram account or Twitter account
01:01:00.383 --> 01:01:05.026
[SPEAKER_01]: international accounts because they're making a lot of hero gasm file jokes right now.
01:01:05.626 --> 01:01:06.987
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, really about piecemaker?
01:01:07.948 --> 01:01:09.469
[SPEAKER_01]: No, just about there.
01:01:09.509 --> 01:01:10.109
[SPEAKER_01]: In general.
01:01:10.490 --> 01:01:10.790
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:11.390
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:01:12.971 --> 01:01:13.191
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:01:13.251 --> 01:01:18.755
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this was just, I called it, um, uh, I called it, uh, the episode of Second Breakfast.
01:01:18.775 --> 01:01:20.636
[SPEAKER_05]: We were just recording a normal origin.
01:01:20.796 --> 01:01:21.997
[SPEAKER_05]: I think what's a normal origin.
01:01:22.017 --> 01:01:23.818
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I don't know, just make a people party.
01:01:23.838 --> 01:01:26.480
[SPEAKER_03]: I think people party and doing drugs.
01:01:27.048 --> 01:01:30.750
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're not, like, nobody's dying for me.
01:01:31.211 --> 01:01:33.712
[SPEAKER_05]: They don't seem to have superpowers who just make people farting.
01:01:33.752 --> 01:01:34.433
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:01:34.933 --> 01:01:37.054
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't know what the casting call for that looks like.
01:01:37.715 --> 01:01:40.796
[SPEAKER_05]: It must be comfortable with nudity.
01:01:41.077 --> 01:01:47.921
[SPEAKER_05]: James Gunn has been in several interviews recently saying that, like, the, uh, it sounds like the intimacy coordinators, one of his favorite people on set.
01:01:48.911 --> 01:01:53.436
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that makes sense because there's a lot of people ordinated.
01:01:54.077 --> 01:01:55.878
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a good story.
01:01:55.899 --> 01:02:00.904
[SPEAKER_05]: I just tell them what I'm going for, and then they figure it all out with their comfortable with and how and yeah.
01:02:02.803 --> 01:02:07.864
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm, although noticeably Chris is not really participating in it.
01:02:07.924 --> 01:02:13.126
[SPEAKER_05]: He's just kind of sitting there on the couch and one point people start kissing him and he's like, oh, yeah, that's nice.
01:02:13.226 --> 01:02:21.448
[SPEAKER_05]: But then, you know, and then he goes, it seems like a really irresponsible time to open up the quantum unfolding chamber.
01:02:21.648 --> 01:02:22.048
[SPEAKER_05]: You think?
01:02:22.929 --> 01:02:23.369
[SPEAKER_05]: a little bit.
01:02:23.429 --> 01:02:30.354
[SPEAKER_03]: You think you don't want to open it when you've done a couple of lines of things, not just a one thing of things.
01:02:30.874 --> 01:02:32.235
[SPEAKER_05]: And you're about to lose strangers.
01:02:33.075 --> 01:02:35.717
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're not thinking straight after you've done those lines.
01:02:35.737 --> 01:02:37.378
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
01:02:37.438 --> 01:02:39.939
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like if not just coke either, you're doing things.
01:02:41.401 --> 01:02:45.762
[SPEAKER_01]: how did he find that door to the alternate dimension when he was so messed up?
01:02:45.882 --> 01:02:47.523
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:02:47.603 --> 01:02:52.064
[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't even find his own bedroom door in that state little room in the door of the different dimension.
01:02:53.385 --> 01:03:01.767
[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder, I mean, because they jumped six months from that first time when he discovers it because he's following Eglay to this period.
01:03:02.087 --> 01:03:03.788
[SPEAKER_05]: So I wonder if he has,
01:03:04.928 --> 01:03:20.531
[SPEAKER_05]: retrace the steps many times in between, but not had the, although I was going to say, but not had the guts to go through, but although it sounded like Sasha was saying to Rick Flag that this was the only the second time they detected it being open.
01:03:20.551 --> 01:03:21.531
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
01:03:22.731 --> 01:03:31.533
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't, I don't think he's actually done it again, like this is the first time since that initial shock of seeing his father.
01:03:34.195 --> 01:03:37.178
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a wee bully, if that adabio doesn't know about the door?
01:03:38.319 --> 01:03:38.559
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:03:40.220 --> 01:03:40.481
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:03:40.721 --> 01:03:44.184
[SPEAKER_05]: I think she would say if she did, and I don't see why Chris would tell her.
01:03:44.204 --> 01:03:45.525
[SPEAKER_03]: You right.
01:03:46.146 --> 01:03:47.867
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's told anyone.
01:03:47.907 --> 01:03:48.087
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
01:03:48.648 --> 01:03:50.590
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't tell anyone about the door at last season.
01:03:51.891 --> 01:03:52.671
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't think so.
01:03:52.732 --> 01:03:53.132
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no.
01:03:54.825 --> 01:04:08.148
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so Gun does say that this is somehow related to Lex Luger Luther's pocket universe, but we're not really sure like some something similar and how it's created as a space between dimensions.
01:04:08.928 --> 01:04:11.488
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but obviously they're not physically connected.
01:04:11.508 --> 01:04:15.389
[SPEAKER_05]: Although James Gun says that this one has 100 doors inside.
01:04:15.909 --> 01:04:19.270
[SPEAKER_05]: So one of them must be the DC EU.
01:04:20.631 --> 01:04:20.891
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:04:21.571 --> 01:04:22.172
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's a question.
01:04:22.332 --> 01:04:24.493
[SPEAKER_05]: He will talk about the multiverse.
01:04:24.513 --> 01:04:28.015
[SPEAKER_05]: She can shenanigans more in a moment, but he sees the alien in the other thing.
01:04:28.055 --> 01:04:34.839
[SPEAKER_05]: Like are these all different versions of, you know, something that all, a version of Algae built.
01:04:34.859 --> 01:04:41.363
[SPEAKER_05]: So, in some alien planet, there's an alien, Algae who built this door and is disposing of rats?
01:04:42.484 --> 01:04:43.584
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think so.
01:04:44.265 --> 01:04:44.445
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:04:45.641 --> 01:04:53.324
[SPEAKER_05]: They just have to connect in the same, because like Lex had his pocket universe, it felt like, you know, his place.
01:04:53.364 --> 01:04:56.706
[SPEAKER_05]: And this one has all these matching doors that connect.
01:04:56.766 --> 01:04:59.207
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm curious if we're going to learn how this is built.
01:05:00.547 --> 01:05:05.649
[SPEAKER_03]: That I think they have to let us know at some point how this all came to be, you know.
01:05:05.669 --> 01:05:09.371
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want to know.
01:05:09.391 --> 01:05:11.092
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want to know.
01:05:13.595 --> 01:05:40.714
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, so what you didn't see what you saw on the recap of Aaron from Superman is that this Lexus version ended up rip opening a ripped in that would like open to rift through metropolis basically and this is why Rick flag he has some reason for concern about the door, but it feels like he's going to take it too far for the wrong reasons.
01:05:42.195 --> 01:05:42.315
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:42.766 --> 01:05:50.990
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get any vibe that the situation in peacemakers basement is unstable or at risk of causing a problem.
01:05:51.010 --> 01:05:51.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:05:51.530 --> 01:05:51.850
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:52.250 --> 01:05:56.612
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that McClack is for sure targeting peacemaker for personal reasons.
01:05:57.873 --> 01:06:10.959
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we talked about it in the soups episode, in the peacemaker episode from season that we did the recap, his that technology seems so much more advanced and more stable than what Lex Kuthal had.
01:06:12.260 --> 01:06:14.081
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which is shameful, the Lexi Luther.
01:06:14.422 --> 01:06:14.602
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:06:14.682 --> 01:06:14.922
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:06:16.503 --> 01:06:16.723
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
01:06:17.304 --> 01:06:23.308
[SPEAKER_03]: So we don't know if it's, you know, then it come from Earth, then it come from somewhere else.
01:06:25.190 --> 01:06:25.410
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:06:26.871 --> 01:06:27.151
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:06:27.191 --> 01:06:28.993
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's pause there.
01:06:29.113 --> 01:06:29.853
[SPEAKER_05]: Take a quick break.
01:06:29.894 --> 01:06:34.557
[SPEAKER_05]: And when we get back, we're going to get into all the multi-versal shenanigans of this episode.
01:06:34.577 --> 01:06:35.478
[SPEAKER_05]: See you in my way.
01:06:47.669 --> 01:06:59.559
[SPEAKER_03]: One day, when it's snowing outside, Chris, who now lives in his deceased father's house, decides to take eagerly in the queue you see to stretch his wings, instead of going out into the cold.
01:07:00.279 --> 01:07:07.185
[SPEAKER_03]: There we see that this space is connected to doors into many other realities, both similar and wildly different from his own.
01:07:07.825 --> 01:07:14.571
[SPEAKER_03]: He follows eagerly to adore just like his, through which he finds a version of himself living what seems to be a much better life.
01:07:15.111 --> 01:07:20.996
[SPEAKER_03]: His brother and father are still alive, his father loves him, and they are crime-fighting trio called the trio.
01:07:21.857 --> 01:07:28.102
[SPEAKER_03]: This counterpart in his counterpart, in Hawkelet, were apparently in love a couple.
01:07:28.762 --> 01:07:39.691
[SPEAKER_03]: As he wonders at this different life he could have led the Chris from this universe comes home to find him in a taxom, following our Chris as he tries to retreat back to the QUC.
01:07:40.412 --> 01:07:43.894
[SPEAKER_03]: They're fighting for his life, our Chris kills the other Chris.
01:07:45.716 --> 01:07:47.097
[SPEAKER_05]: So far we've only we know there's imps?
01:07:47.935 --> 01:08:00.622
[SPEAKER_05]: Behind some of these other doors, we know there's a alien neighbor who wants a high who funny, funny enough is credited as the chiphotic alien, which chiphosis is just basically like sitting with a hunched back.
01:08:00.682 --> 01:08:03.944
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I need to stop doing as I'm at my computer.
01:08:05.805 --> 01:08:06.766
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious about that.
01:08:07.406 --> 01:08:13.850
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but Aaron, were you surprised to see adult Keith alive and well played by David Denman?
01:08:14.732 --> 01:08:26.344
[SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised I especially when we get the little scene at the beginning of the episode where peacemaker is in the alternate universe house and he's looking at all of the different photos.
01:08:26.364 --> 01:08:35.413
[SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering who's that third person that's clearly peacemaker, his father, and someone else, and I just had no idea who that could be, but I
01:08:37.061 --> 01:08:51.734
[SPEAKER_01]: then Keith shows up and it's just such a freaky experience for him where all of these years of grief come up and he has to face off against his brother who he killed and it's an emotional moment and it felt really powerful.
01:08:52.975 --> 01:08:57.439
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think the difference is like it did his father not run a fight ring in this reality?
01:08:57.459 --> 01:09:01.803
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I think that we're going to find out that
01:09:02.775 --> 01:09:05.417
[SPEAKER_01]: this version of reality is pretty bad as well.
01:09:05.497 --> 01:09:11.222
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the August, a lot closer to how he is in the main universe in this universe.
01:09:12.003 --> 01:09:20.269
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he hates his kids a little bit less, but I'm gonna say that he's still the racist, horrible person that he is in our universe.
01:09:21.710 --> 01:09:28.356
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I guess, so August Smith, Robert Patrick, he was a white dragon in season one.
01:09:28.376 --> 01:09:30.177
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess he's the blue dragon here,
01:09:32.823 --> 01:09:34.904
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's still, I don't know.
01:09:36.525 --> 01:09:38.446
[SPEAKER_05]: Still walking and talking like a duck to me.
01:09:40.007 --> 01:09:40.927
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think?
01:09:41.367 --> 01:09:43.488
[SPEAKER_05]: Show the top trio, though.
01:09:43.548 --> 01:09:44.989
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not a thing for the comics, right?
01:09:45.830 --> 01:09:47.410
[SPEAKER_03]: Not that I'm aware of, but I'll double check.
01:09:48.411 --> 01:09:51.532
[SPEAKER_03]: But I want this word.
01:09:51.713 --> 01:09:56.415
[SPEAKER_03]: I, when he walked through and the first time his father was happy to see him.
01:09:57.460 --> 01:10:18.337
[SPEAKER_03]: and then when his brother shows up and they're all sitting down and you know laughing and talking I so wanted this world to be like that to be good but then the real me shows up
01:10:19.820 --> 01:10:22.721
[SPEAKER_03]: and immediately says, shut that shit down.
01:10:23.682 --> 01:10:24.522
[SPEAKER_03]: It can't be good.
01:10:24.542 --> 01:10:29.204
[SPEAKER_03]: And not be good, like these people are horrible.
01:10:29.484 --> 01:10:31.545
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're just gonna wait to see what the horrible is.
01:10:31.565 --> 01:10:37.907
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, there's, I, the grass is not always greener.
01:10:38.627 --> 01:10:47.331
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is gonna, I am so sad for Chris that that's gonna play out that he's gonna learn that it's not always greener.
01:10:47.947 --> 01:10:53.449
[SPEAKER_03]: That, in fact, that it could be quite horrible, quite deadly, under the side of the fence.
01:10:54.290 --> 01:10:55.730
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what he's going to learn.
01:10:56.571 --> 01:10:58.532
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't trust, I don't trust a brother.
01:10:58.552 --> 01:10:59.892
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't trust the father.
01:10:59.912 --> 01:11:03.694
[SPEAKER_03]: This may be a world where all the races dreams came true.
01:11:03.714 --> 01:11:10.997
[SPEAKER_03]: We live in some sort of Nazi propaganda state assumption.
01:11:18.557 --> 01:11:23.138
[SPEAKER_03]: nice and welcoming as it appears right now.
01:11:23.798 --> 01:11:24.099
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
01:11:24.859 --> 01:11:29.920
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I have to say, Paulson, 20, point out in the discord that rainbow creature.
01:11:30.080 --> 01:11:38.783
[SPEAKER_05]: We see in the backgrounds, you know, top trio defeats ultrahumanite, which is like a super intelligent ape villain before Lex Luther.
01:11:40.223 --> 01:11:42.145
[SPEAKER_05]: And Rainbow Creature is an interesting one.
01:11:42.165 --> 01:11:44.006
[SPEAKER_05]: Nars points out.
01:11:44.066 --> 01:11:52.734
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyone by the way who doesn't know Nars is a lawyer master who requested that we always pronounce his name with a question.
01:11:54.395 --> 01:11:59.400
[SPEAKER_05]: But Nars pointed out that this is, yeah, it's kind of a suss monster to go with, that
01:12:00.400 --> 01:12:17.705
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe the rainbow creature the drains color might have deeper meaning and of of course reading up on this out of curiosity And so this comes this super old Batman villain from you know another cheap cut from James gun from Batman volume one number 134 from September 1960 so would go way back
01:12:22.847 --> 01:12:27.250
[SPEAKER_05]: This is, yeah, my summary I wrote up of the genuine actual in-universe lore.
01:12:27.650 --> 01:12:35.936
[SPEAKER_05]: So Rainbow Creature was born in Mobile, Kano in South America Republic as a want to be dictator was trying to take over the country.
01:12:36.536 --> 01:12:50.085
[SPEAKER_05]: Batman exposes the would be dictator's lies and chases him out of town using the power of a rainbow and then teams up the locals to defeat the creature by tricking him, tricking it into using up its powers until it blows away in the
01:12:51.607 --> 01:12:53.389
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't tell me what DC's not political.
01:12:56.032 --> 01:13:02.959
[SPEAKER_01]: The rainbow bat suit has been the targets and controversy lately, if you've been paying attention to the Lego Batman game.
01:13:06.706 --> 01:13:26.723
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, and I think that also it's not, you know, this, this fighting against the rainbow concept, it's not, it's not an accident that they reminded us in the opening audition scene that Chris Smith is by, you know, he's, he feels no personal shame for that.
01:13:27.063 --> 01:13:30.946
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, you know, it's, you know, so I can jigs a compliment as he says.
01:13:31.587 --> 01:13:32.968
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, love that, yeah.
01:13:33.420 --> 01:13:45.102
[SPEAKER_05]: but maybe in this universe, ooh, I'm wondering now if that's gonna be, if he, I'm assuming at this point, he's gonna like go and pretend to be himself some more and you know, just because he got a taste.
01:13:46.143 --> 01:13:56.025
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's how he outs himself by being open about that and they're like, what the, yeah, I'm interested in how, sorry, good.
01:13:56.325 --> 01:13:57.105
[SPEAKER_03]: No, look at that.
01:13:58.205 --> 01:14:06.331
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested in how Alternate Amanda Harcourt is going to play into all of this because she was a prominent part of the dance in the opening scene.
01:14:06.911 --> 01:14:07.412
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
01:14:08.412 --> 01:14:21.782
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she was given me, I don't know if you guys've had any sinister vibes from that, but like maybe it was because I know they have to do serious faces for that dance, that's where they're instructed to do because it's funny or that way, but also like the conservative
01:14:28.011 --> 01:14:28.351
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:14:28.511 --> 01:14:28.971
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think?
01:14:29.031 --> 01:14:30.152
[SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome.
01:14:30.272 --> 01:14:30.892
[SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome.
01:14:31.613 --> 01:14:35.134
[SPEAKER_05]: And we find out that she is now with quote unquote, that jar head.
01:14:35.234 --> 01:14:38.616
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, someone in the marines, what if it's Rick Flag?
01:14:38.636 --> 01:14:39.256
[SPEAKER_03]: Rick Flag.
01:14:39.296 --> 01:14:39.416
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:39.516 --> 01:14:39.957
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:40.177 --> 01:14:40.617
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:40.817 --> 01:14:41.297
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:41.537 --> 01:14:41.597
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:14:41.637 --> 01:14:42.998
[SPEAKER_05]: Who keeps making her killed?
01:14:43.018 --> 01:14:45.239
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome.
01:14:46.260 --> 01:14:46.820
[SPEAKER_05]: I could see that.
01:14:48.361 --> 01:14:51.522
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that I don't know if they would keep that secret till the end.
01:14:52.523 --> 01:14:53.243
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, anyway.
01:14:55.189 --> 01:15:04.679
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm super, I'm interested to see like, okay, if this is how this season is starting out, how is it going to escalate from here?
01:15:09.052 --> 01:15:12.834
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean it's gonna it's gonna be a wild ride.
01:15:12.854 --> 01:15:31.304
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's gonna be one hell of a ride because they really their dish-o-gives absolutely zero-fucks and they're gonna tell this story and this story is not for the faint of heart so buckle in
01:15:33.391 --> 01:15:54.170
[SPEAKER_05]: were you excited to hear the reference to they said that Chris Smith and that other universe went to blued haven which is Gotham sister city yeah well you know night wing the Grayson calls home in the comics now so for a long time and that's exciting that's exciting
01:15:54.977 --> 01:16:03.800
[SPEAKER_05]: I think if it entices you at all area and I think it's I seem to remember I think yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely from Harley Quinn that she goes at one point there.
01:16:04.781 --> 01:16:05.061
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
01:16:05.561 --> 01:16:12.804
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all of the robins, especially nightwing or some of my favorite characters and I see comics so.
01:16:13.581 --> 01:16:13.721
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:16:13.921 --> 01:16:14.362
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
01:16:14.422 --> 01:16:19.105
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope we get some kind of reference if not a little bit of a cameo from that would be awesome.
01:16:19.906 --> 01:16:20.026
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:16:20.086 --> 01:16:28.152
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're setting it up is, I mean, I suppose perhaps Nightwing exists in this universe, but I'm not holding my breath for cameo.
01:16:28.172 --> 01:16:28.292
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:16:28.312 --> 01:16:33.236
[SPEAKER_05]: It would be funny if they invite it, if James Gunner introduced Nightwing before Batman.
01:16:33.837 --> 01:16:34.457
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:16:34.617 --> 01:16:38.060
[SPEAKER_03]: I got the vibe that there are no other heroes in this universe.
01:16:39.294 --> 01:16:40.755
[SPEAKER_05]: in the other alternate universe.
01:16:40.815 --> 01:16:43.957
[SPEAKER_03]: In the alternate universe, like the trio's the thing.
01:16:43.977 --> 01:16:46.319
[SPEAKER_05]: That's me.
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:52.863
[SPEAKER_03]: I have five, like they've run this town, like this entire universe.
01:16:53.523 --> 01:16:55.745
[SPEAKER_05]: They certainly have a lot of money.
01:16:56.645 --> 01:16:59.727
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot of accolades.
01:17:00.488 --> 01:17:03.330
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe instead of Lord Tech, maybe it's Augie Tech.
01:17:06.426 --> 01:17:10.811
[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of money, a lot of accolades, a lot of, you know, like trophies, almost.
01:17:11.552 --> 01:17:11.833
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:17:12.073 --> 01:17:12.353
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:17:13.675 --> 01:17:16.959
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and they all, um, I'll be shared jet packs with his son.
01:17:17.019 --> 01:17:17.860
[SPEAKER_05]: They all get to fly.
01:17:18.201 --> 01:17:20.223
[SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't, peace make a rave of jet pack in the comics?
01:17:20.664 --> 01:17:20.844
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:17:21.847 --> 01:17:25.149
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I'm assuming this one will just steal that.
01:17:25.249 --> 01:17:30.232
[SPEAKER_05]: And hopefully we get some fun training montage scenes with individual anti-shabby involved.
01:17:32.433 --> 01:17:34.775
[SPEAKER_03]: Do not use the Jelanti Jet Pax, please.
01:17:34.895 --> 01:17:38.217
[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be a disaster.
01:17:38.937 --> 01:17:43.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Our peacemaker might already have a jet pack if he hadn't put a spike through alternate peacemaker.
01:17:44.081 --> 01:17:44.741
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's true.
01:17:44.801 --> 01:17:47.162
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess that got the jet pack too, right?
01:17:47.363 --> 01:17:48.683
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's right.
01:17:48.763 --> 01:17:49.244
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
01:17:50.408 --> 01:17:52.029
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what do you think that spike was?
01:17:52.129 --> 01:17:54.670
[SPEAKER_05]: Is this random spike and spiky spike in the ceiling?
01:17:56.091 --> 01:17:56.751
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't know.
01:17:57.392 --> 01:17:58.652
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why we need answers.
01:17:58.972 --> 01:18:00.994
[SPEAKER_03]: Random, gobble the group technology.
01:18:01.014 --> 01:18:01.254
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:18:02.094 --> 01:18:03.155
[SPEAKER_03]: We need answers.
01:18:04.375 --> 01:18:05.656
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the double kill in spike.
01:18:09.461 --> 01:18:36.167
[SPEAKER_05]: It was funny though to see the other bedroom and how it's just like everything's a little bit off like it reminded me Okay, so there's a Hanoy rocks, but instead it's banned that we know piece make it that likes and but instead of rocks spelled ROCKS It's ROXX Scorpions with the Z reminds me of like Reminds me of Thunderbolts like we're the Avengers with the Z Like there's just something off on this one.
01:18:36.247 --> 01:18:36.347
[SPEAKER_05]: It's
01:18:36.767 --> 01:18:41.789
[SPEAKER_05]: Poor some honey, poor some honey on me, which is not something that's not going to happen.
01:18:42.829 --> 01:18:46.791
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it just feels like we're being warned.
01:18:47.111 --> 01:18:47.811
[SPEAKER_05]: We're being warned.
01:18:49.392 --> 01:18:56.594
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, was you guys think of the new O-Lord song for the opening number by Foxy's Foxy Shazam,
01:19:00.380 --> 01:19:09.945
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the whole opening dance number was very, you know, Broadway, and I enjoyed it.
01:19:10.805 --> 01:19:16.108
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was everything about it, the song, the dance, the, yeah.
01:19:16.368 --> 01:19:21.971
[SPEAKER_03]: It just felt like taking from a musical that I could have wanted to watch.
01:19:23.492 --> 01:19:23.892
[SPEAKER_03]: Really cool.
01:19:24.707 --> 01:19:26.547
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to speculate about some future stuff.
01:19:26.587 --> 01:19:39.330
[SPEAKER_05]: So if anyone does not want to hear about stuff in the trailers, then we'll say goodbye to you now and we'll be back next week around the same time with a breakdown of episode two.
01:19:39.691 --> 01:19:41.051
[SPEAKER_05]: And we've been glad to have you.
01:19:41.471 --> 01:19:52.013
[SPEAKER_05]: If you want to look ahead with us, yeah, we're starting with this opening number, again, choreographed by Chris Barton, who did the season one, choreo.
01:19:54.814 --> 01:20:20.407
[SPEAKER_05]: have some meaning for the season as he also said no season one so it's interesting it's about it's it's a hungry world they're going to eat you alive um when they're fangs sinking i'm like vampires no i don't really it's not literally are there there must be vampires in dc so yeah i can't think of any i'm like oh there's one but no marvel no that's marvel
01:20:25.078 --> 01:20:48.527
[SPEAKER_03]: DC did a whole alternate thing on going DC versus vampires, so yeah the second round of storytelling is about to end but which was a great you know all it is all universe type of story but they told was really awesome okay okay hmm
01:20:50.218 --> 01:21:04.303
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I'm looking through these lyrics more and there's also you try and sleep even though you're alone you just close your eyes boy you dream of home the light is always on so I think this is talking about how his universe is his real home.
01:21:05.825 --> 01:21:12.072
[SPEAKER_05]: and the light is always on for him to go back to it, because there's always a wrong to your right and there's always a war somewhere to fight.
01:21:12.292 --> 01:21:12.692
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
01:21:13.513 --> 01:21:26.327
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think every universe has its pros and its cons, but maybe Chris is a better person in his universe, even though he killed his dad and his brother, or especially because he killed his dad in a shame about his brother.
01:21:26.347 --> 01:21:27.388
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:21:27.748 --> 01:21:34.513
[SPEAKER_05]: So so hide the song away for a darker day when you're on your knees screaming Oh Lord, I'm always there to keep you in mind when you wake in the morning.
01:21:34.553 --> 01:21:35.394
[SPEAKER_05]: You'll be satisfied.
01:21:36.455 --> 01:21:44.661
[SPEAKER_05]: I do notice that in the opening number there seems to be some emphasis on the romance between Chris and Amelia.
01:21:45.442 --> 01:21:45.702
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:21:46.302 --> 01:21:48.304
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd just add father-other of you.
01:21:48.324 --> 01:21:52.047
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, um, together.
01:21:52.067 --> 01:21:54.348
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're made for each other with their issues.
01:21:54.408 --> 01:21:54.649
[SPEAKER_01]: I think
01:21:55.587 --> 01:21:59.949
[SPEAKER_01]: either they're going to work to destroy each other, or they're going to work to heal each other.
01:21:59.969 --> 01:22:01.070
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which one though.
01:22:02.231 --> 01:22:04.172
[SPEAKER_05]: There's two versus versions, so maybe both.
01:22:04.772 --> 01:22:05.052
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:22:06.793 --> 01:22:09.274
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot can go wrong with that pairing.
01:22:09.414 --> 01:22:10.355
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot can go wrong.
01:22:13.247 --> 01:22:17.069
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we, we get some teases of who else might be coming this season.
01:22:17.369 --> 01:22:18.810
[SPEAKER_05]: There's an older woman in the back.
01:22:18.850 --> 01:22:21.671
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know anything about, we'll find out who she is.
01:22:22.092 --> 01:22:34.318
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a bunch of agents I suppose dressed in all black, but too, who we do recognize one from last season is Nittles returning as a judo master aka Rip Jager.
01:22:36.160 --> 01:22:40.303
[SPEAKER_05]: We know from the trailers apparently he's going to be assigned to a condomose team.
01:22:40.443 --> 01:22:43.805
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think he's assigned to work for a condomose or is this supervisor?
01:22:45.366 --> 01:22:48.208
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh guys, I think he's assigned to kill him if he has to.
01:22:49.649 --> 01:22:54.853
[SPEAKER_05]: He's just seeing like the Rick Flags like joining your team is this and he's a come-on.
01:22:58.075 --> 01:23:00.356
[SPEAKER_01]: They're unresolved beef will definitely get in the way.
01:23:00.376 --> 01:23:00.436
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:23:01.137 --> 01:23:01.317
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:23:03.901 --> 01:23:10.564
[SPEAKER_05]: And we know we're getting Michael Roker is in the opening dance and he's going to be playing a character.
01:23:11.325 --> 01:23:13.706
[SPEAKER_05]: I already hate called Red St.
01:23:13.766 --> 01:23:22.810
[SPEAKER_05]: Wild and the official description of this character is the world's foremost Eagle Hunter who is on a mission to kill E. Why?
01:23:22.830 --> 01:23:22.890
[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
01:23:24.390 --> 01:23:25.671
[SPEAKER_03]: Eagly never hurt nobody.
01:23:26.305 --> 01:23:30.830
[SPEAKER_05]: I know, except those people we saw on Kill, but they deserve it.
01:23:31.130 --> 01:23:32.431
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not his fault.
01:23:32.471 --> 01:23:33.292
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just an evil.
01:23:37.416 --> 01:23:39.578
[SPEAKER_05]: It's potato chips psychosis, you know.
01:23:39.598 --> 01:23:40.659
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
01:23:44.420 --> 01:23:56.327
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I'm looking forward to in the trailers, we get the tea's vigilante, hopefully, um, we get the scene that plays out where it looks like he's showing up at the origin the next morning to confront to confront Chris.
01:23:57.468 --> 01:24:08.334
[SPEAKER_05]: We also are going to meet vigilante's mom, but it looks like from the trailers we're going to see a bit of out of bio vigilante and Chris as a trio together and I'm all in for that.
01:24:10.093 --> 01:24:16.239
[SPEAKER_05]: John, you and I will, with Eglie, we said those were our three favorite characters.
01:24:16.900 --> 01:24:17.040
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:24:18.615 --> 01:24:35.605
[SPEAKER_05]: And it seems in the trailers we see Chris will tell out of bio about the QUD, I mean, I guess economists already did, but it looks like she's going to help him, looks like peacemakers going to be exploring those other dimensions more predictably, but he also seems to be carrying around some sort of portable portal tech.
01:24:35.785 --> 01:24:39.847
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know who could have like, good max lowered, come back and make something like that or what?
01:24:40.407 --> 01:24:41.388
[SPEAKER_05]: Or does he already have it?
01:24:46.081 --> 01:24:49.724
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, maybe from the August myth over there, something.
01:24:49.744 --> 01:24:50.705
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:24:50.925 --> 01:24:57.850
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was interesting how casual the alternate universe trio was about going through those doors.
01:24:57.970 --> 01:25:04.835
[SPEAKER_01]: They seemed like they've been exploring the alternate dimensions pretty much since peacemaker and Keith were kids.
01:25:05.476 --> 01:25:05.756
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:25:06.236 --> 01:25:06.316
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:25:06.356 --> 01:25:06.937
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
01:25:06.957 --> 01:25:11.781
[SPEAKER_05]: That was probably why he didn't think it was weird that he was in there in the hallway.
01:25:12.061 --> 01:25:14.222
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I suppose, yeah, if they had a better
01:25:15.572 --> 01:25:17.113
[SPEAKER_05]: seemed like oh he used a lot.
01:25:18.873 --> 01:25:19.854
[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder about their mom.
01:25:19.974 --> 01:25:21.074
[SPEAKER_05]: We never hear about that.
01:25:21.554 --> 01:25:21.955
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't.
01:25:23.175 --> 01:25:34.180
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe she maybe she like I we don't know if she died in in the DC universe or what but maybe in the southern universe she was around more.
01:25:34.200 --> 01:25:36.461
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:25:36.921 --> 01:25:40.042
[SPEAKER_05]: Any last thoughts on this episode or hopes
01:25:43.811 --> 01:25:44.171
[SPEAKER_03]: hopes.
01:25:45.652 --> 01:25:48.193
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me all about the queue.
01:25:50.094 --> 01:25:53.375
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know how these dimensional doors got there.
01:25:53.395 --> 01:26:04.300
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see you don't have to show it to me being done, but I need some sort of explanation for that.
01:26:04.400 --> 01:26:08.682
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one big thing that I want to get out of the season.
01:26:09.602 --> 01:26:09.982
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.
01:26:12.599 --> 01:26:19.224
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna put down some internet points here and say, the season is gonna end with economists as the head of Argus.
01:26:19.944 --> 01:26:20.385
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
01:26:21.566 --> 01:26:22.826
[SPEAKER_05]: Instead of a man who all are.
01:26:23.427 --> 01:26:24.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
01:26:24.908 --> 01:26:25.729
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:26:25.769 --> 01:26:27.230
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
01:26:27.590 --> 01:26:31.833
[SPEAKER_05]: We do think that there's a wall or show still coming, but we don't know what that's gonna look like at all.
01:26:32.874 --> 01:26:33.014
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:26:33.994 --> 01:26:36.176
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they end up putting that wall or show out.
01:26:36.216 --> 01:26:37.717
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome.
01:26:38.398 --> 01:26:38.818
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be.
01:26:40.220 --> 01:26:46.168
[SPEAKER_05]: And I hope someone else is in it, but I don't want to spoil it for air, and even though we've talked about it in previous episodes.
01:26:47.169 --> 01:26:48.731
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all right, I don't mind spoilers.
01:26:50.333 --> 01:26:50.754
[SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
01:26:53.462 --> 01:27:00.624
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, well, so we'll, we'll be back every week to talk through the piecemaker episodes as I come out eight episodes in total.
01:27:00.724 --> 01:27:05.286
[SPEAKER_05]: We do not have access to screeners, so we will be doing them a few days after like this one.
01:27:05.306 --> 01:27:13.088
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, the episodes themselves drop on HBO max on Thursday evenings in the Americas Fridays for the rest of us.
01:27:14.068 --> 01:27:27.663
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and the next next week's episode, it looks like the longest we know so far as you said, John 48 minutes titled, a man is only as good as his bird, which is so true, the Eglista.
01:27:33.507 --> 01:27:43.890
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I'll also put links in the show notes to the recent Superman coverage and creature commandos coverage from January, if you're still catching up on DCU with those.
01:27:44.630 --> 01:27:51.532
[SPEAKER_05]: And Marvel fans also, you'll find in the show list recent episodes on IronHards, fantastic for first steps.
01:27:51.972 --> 01:27:54.713
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be doing Isive Wakanda coming up soon.
01:27:54.733 --> 01:27:57.614
[SPEAKER_05]: We just were catching up on this other stuff and life stuff.
01:27:58.830 --> 01:28:03.133
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, of course, we've got a couple more Marvel shows coming this year.
01:28:03.714 --> 01:28:08.417
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, would you most looking for Tijon Marvel zombies or Wonderman?
01:28:08.497 --> 01:28:10.859
[SPEAKER_05]: Actually, I think I know the answer, but... Wonderman.
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:12.680
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:28:12.700 --> 01:28:13.281
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Wonderman.
01:28:13.301 --> 01:28:15.322
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, what about you, Aaron?
01:28:16.443 --> 01:28:17.464
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you going to watch either of them?
01:28:18.164 --> 01:28:20.546
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll definitely watch Marvel zombies.
01:28:20.586 --> 01:28:21.727
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you about Wonderman.
01:28:22.007 --> 01:28:22.307
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:28:24.789 --> 01:28:26.833
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm excited for them both for the different reasons, yeah.
01:28:28.075 --> 01:28:30.480
[SPEAKER_05]: So what's going on in Radioactive Ramlings?
01:28:30.841 --> 01:28:32.604
[SPEAKER_05]: Gen Vs come starting soon, right?
01:28:33.353 --> 01:28:38.435
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we will be doing full coverage of GenV and then fall out shortly after that.
01:28:38.895 --> 01:28:40.555
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they overlap just a little bit.
01:28:42.156 --> 01:28:56.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Until then, we will have some sporadic episodes of either Studio Ghibli or fall out lore, but now is a good time if you haven't listened to any of our fallout lore episodes to go back and listen to especially the Legion and Mr. House episodes.
01:28:57.361 --> 01:28:59.702
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you know what your next Studio Ghibli movie's gonna be?
01:29:01.323 --> 01:29:01.644
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:29:02.506 --> 01:29:05.493
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it's going to be pork aroso.
01:29:05.513 --> 01:29:06.475
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:29:06.596 --> 01:29:07.638
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's a lot of sort of.
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:08.200
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:29:09.342 --> 01:29:09.803
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a fun one.
01:29:10.678 --> 01:29:24.669
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, well, if you want to find radioactive randlings, you'll find a link tree in the show notes with links to all the affiliates, including never mind the music for psychology meets music, rings and rituals, going deeper on rings of power.
01:29:25.730 --> 01:29:39.000
[SPEAKER_05]: Properly how words movie reviews is wrapping up their bacon rap season, although Anthony was just saying that they're going to sneak in an extra episode about the new movie friendship with Tim Robinson and Kate Marra.
01:29:40.696 --> 01:29:41.697
[SPEAKER_05]: and Paul Rudd.
01:29:41.997 --> 01:29:48.263
[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, that's one that I was already looking forward to seeing, so I'm looking forward to them doing that episode about it.
01:29:49.404 --> 01:30:04.958
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll shift dust, doom book coverage, the store was kind of timeline podcasts coming back soon with more hybrid public coverage and subscribers were going to get some, I think a couple short recap episodes about the material,
01:30:05.697 --> 01:30:14.023
[SPEAKER_05]: leading up to the new season of Star Wars visions, which is going to have some repeat stuff and going deeper on the Ronin book and things like that.
01:30:14.083 --> 01:30:21.388
[SPEAKER_05]: So also on the main Laura Hound's feed, foundation season three coverage is ongoing with John and Marilyn.
01:30:21.408 --> 01:30:21.908
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you watching that
01:30:27.070 --> 01:30:28.152
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just incredible.
01:30:28.313 --> 01:30:35.747
[SPEAKER_01]: The visuals, everything about it, and John and Marilyn's coverage is such a great companion to go along with that.
01:30:36.389 --> 01:30:36.649
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:30:37.069 --> 01:30:37.289
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:30:37.449 --> 01:30:39.370
[SPEAKER_05]: I love getting the book reader perspective.
01:30:40.310 --> 01:30:44.711
[SPEAKER_05]: And David's leading weekly coverage of Alien Earth, they just dropped.
01:30:45.031 --> 01:30:56.814
[SPEAKER_05]: So we did last week a guilty age episode, which was our record at the time at nearly three hours covering the first three seasons of the guilty age talking about the history and the characters and what's coming.
01:30:57.414 --> 01:30:59.915
[SPEAKER_05]: And then David beat us, I think, by eight
01:31:06.616 --> 01:31:13.602
[SPEAKER_05]: He had this week as his guest host Mark from Nevermind the Music and Ian from Captain's Pod.
01:31:13.682 --> 01:31:17.785
[SPEAKER_05]: So I haven't gotten to that just came out and I haven't gotten to listen to it yet.
01:31:17.825 --> 01:31:18.666
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking forward to it.
01:31:19.446 --> 01:31:21.108
[SPEAKER_05]: You're watching Alien Earth as well right Aaron.
01:31:21.128 --> 01:31:23.329
[SPEAKER_05]: You John and I talked about it before which is what I see.
01:31:23.770 --> 01:31:28.013
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually am very far away from the Alien franchise.
01:31:28.093 --> 01:31:32.217
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I watched the original Alien movie and that's about it.
01:31:32.477 --> 01:31:33.758
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I have for my belt.
01:31:33.798 --> 01:31:33.958
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:31:34.617 --> 01:31:46.608
[SPEAKER_05]: okay well you don't have to have watched anything for alien earth it's set just before the original movie okay is it worth the watch you think so yes okay yeah I might have to check it out then
01:31:47.327 --> 01:32:08.114
[SPEAKER_05]: It's yet, it's Noah Hawley who is a very inventive TV otter, I would say, you know, he really has unusual ways of framing things with the camera and telling stories and with unreliable narrators and, you know, trippy visuals and yeah.
01:32:09.094 --> 01:32:10.895
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm a suckers for sci-fi.
01:32:10.935 --> 01:32:11.596
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm in.
01:32:12.096 --> 01:32:12.977
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:32:13.097 --> 01:32:13.518
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:32:14.658 --> 01:32:14.939
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:15.719
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:32:16.120 --> 01:32:25.327
[SPEAKER_05]: If anyone at home has any feedback about the piecemaker show that you want to share, we can we'll discuss it on a future episode, just send that to comics versus.
01:32:25.827 --> 01:32:49.985
[SPEAKER_05]: comics vs at the lowerhouse.com you'll find that in the link in the show notes as well and also in the link tree in the show notes is a link to our discord where there is a forum with spoil it chats per movie or show or episode of peacemaker under the dc u forum currently under current shows if you're listening to it later you'll find it under franchises and
01:32:52.377 --> 01:33:03.445
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01:33:04.205 --> 01:33:17.795
[SPEAKER_05]: All of the content from the public feed, plus bonus contents like extra episodes for certain shows, like Andor and Wheel of Time and Rings of Power, which watch in short episodes about things like,
01:33:18.855 --> 01:33:37.952
[SPEAKER_05]: weapons or life with Chuck things like that and also are monthly second breakfast and 11's episodes just released before this will be the Poutine episode and then this month is David's month doing 80s 90s spoofs and airplane is the big winner there.
01:33:38.033 --> 01:33:41.676
[SPEAKER_05]: So I think this is going to be my first time watching airplane.
01:33:42.657 --> 01:33:42.977
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
01:33:43.728 --> 01:33:43.988
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
01:33:44.728 --> 01:33:45.009
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:33:45.049 --> 01:33:45.229
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:33:46.529 --> 01:33:48.650
[SPEAKER_05]: I know, like, don't call me Shirley.
01:33:48.710 --> 01:33:50.651
[SPEAKER_05]: I know that's, you know, from airplane.
01:33:50.671 --> 01:33:54.012
[SPEAKER_03]: I know- It's hard side as next to you.
01:33:54.973 --> 01:33:55.493
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:33:55.893 --> 01:33:56.533
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:33:56.633 --> 01:33:57.614
[SPEAKER_05]: It's probably for the best.
01:33:58.834 --> 01:33:59.114
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:33:59.194 --> 01:34:01.335
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:34:02.796 --> 01:34:03.976
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to put on some music now.
01:34:03.996 --> 01:34:04.676
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you ready for it?
01:34:04.696 --> 01:34:05.477
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:34:05.557 --> 01:34:07.277
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God.
01:34:07.357 --> 01:34:08.118
[SPEAKER_05]: 80s folder again.
01:34:09.277 --> 01:34:11.920
[SPEAKER_05]: in honor of peacemakers journey.
01:34:12.500 --> 01:34:13.381
[SPEAKER_05]: Odyssey, here we go.
01:34:13.401 --> 01:34:14.442
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to say some thank yous.
01:34:15.563 --> 01:34:17.805
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this is actually a much mellower than I expected.
01:34:19.867 --> 01:34:21.449
[SPEAKER_05]: But still, thank you.
01:34:21.549 --> 01:34:29.797
[SPEAKER_05]: To our discord server boosters, Aaron Kay, to load the thriller, do of 71, Athena Agilea, Lestu, Nancy M, go to partition and radioactive Richard.
01:34:30.778 --> 01:34:35.542
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you to our lore master, Samarshan Michael G. Michelle E. Brian E. S.C.
01:34:35.642 --> 01:34:36.282
[SPEAKER_05]: Peter O'H.
01:34:36.482 --> 01:34:39.064
[SPEAKER_05]: Adam S. Nancy M. Doe 71.
01:34:39.144 --> 01:34:39.465
[SPEAKER_05]: Brian 863.
01:34:40.105 --> 01:34:45.849
[SPEAKER_05]: Frederick H. Sarah L. Carrot C. Matthew M. Sarah M. Andre B. Kwon-Nune.
01:34:46.050 --> 01:34:46.930
[SPEAKER_05]: Dedichadibab.
01:34:47.090 --> 01:34:49.672
[SPEAKER_05]: Nathan T. Alex B. Sub-Zero.
01:34:49.992 --> 01:34:50.793
[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron Kagan.
01:34:51.193 --> 01:34:52.534
[SPEAKER_05]: Daly B. Mothership 61.
01:34:52.574 --> 01:34:52.875
[SPEAKER_05]: Naros.
01:34:54.776 --> 01:35:16.937
[SPEAKER_05]: Cathy W. Lestoo, Jeffrey B. Lisa, you, Neil F. Benby, Scott F. Stephen N. Julia F. Callie S. Elmario, forward slash Tim, Paul K. Bobby C. Jessica H. Redzippy, aka Lisa C. I saw just before we started recording that the TCS just became a lower master as well.
01:35:16.997 --> 01:35:17.677
[SPEAKER_05]: So welcome.
01:35:18.478 --> 01:35:20.060
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you and welcome.
01:35:21.403 --> 01:35:27.045
[SPEAKER_05]: And, John, what are your final thoughts to share with the world this fight in episode?
01:35:27.945 --> 01:35:37.588
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, again Kevin Feige, Recaste Chala, Damson Idris, desktop playing games, man, just come out and do it.
01:35:38.128 --> 01:35:39.468
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what the people want.
01:35:40.269 --> 01:35:48.051
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be 20, 20, 6, and a few months, stop playing games, Recaste Chala.
01:35:49.082 --> 01:35:52.284
[SPEAKER_05]: and James Gunn bring back Alta's Hodge as Hawkman.
01:35:52.624 --> 01:35:52.985
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
01:35:53.005 --> 01:35:53.805
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we could do that too.
01:35:54.065 --> 01:35:54.306
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:35:55.206 --> 01:35:58.088
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