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In this gripping episode, we dive into the hidden world of the mafia, focusing on the Genovese and Patriarca crime families. Anthony Arlotta shares his personal experiences, detailing his rise in the underworld, the intricate power dynamics between New York and New England, and the perilous balance of making money while keeping danger at bay.
Discover the challenges he faced, the alliances forged and broken, and the violent undertakings that defined a life entangled with organized crime. From his early days in Rhode Island to significant events in New York and Connecticut, Arillotta provides a raw and candid look at life as a wise guy, yearning for respect, wealth, and ultimately, survival.
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For then, Connecticut, because the patriarch has got arrested in like the 19,
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late 80s, you know, so they took like, you know, 20 of them off the streets
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in the Connecticut area.
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Anthony, not to put you off there, but Genovese patriarch, patriarch is not
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part of the five families.
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Genovese being one of the strongest by far as far as efficiency,
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making money, all that, strong-armed, everything.
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It seems like the Genovese. So where does the patriarchal family lie as far
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as you have a relationship with them? I know you're in Rhode Island. Yeah.
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Excellent relationship with the patriarchals. And we had mutual respect.
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You know, don't forget, Boston's a lot bigger city than Springfield.
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And so they're going to have a lot more. We had a lot of maid guys,
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but more associates around us.
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We had tons of associates, dozens and hundreds of associates,
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and especially when you're going into the Connecticut up and through into New
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York, and that was all controlled by the Genovese, and there was patriarchs
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there, so we worked hand in hand.
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And there was a couple of incidences where, you know, there was beefs that broke
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out and, you know, there had to be settles in New York with the bosses and everything
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like that. But for the most part, everyone got along.
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Boston, Providence was the power base out of in Providence, Rhode Island.
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And Louis was the boss. Raymond, Patriarcha, senior, then Raymond,
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junior. And then it went to Louis, Anacchio.
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And then years later, it got transferred to Boston. So everyone got along.
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But, you know, I used to go down and meet with the bosses in Providence,
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Louis, and his guys that he had around him, the soldiers and his captains.
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And same thing in Boston with Carmen D'Anoncio and all the wise guys and captains there.
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And so we got along great. And you couldn't feel Italian back in the 70s,
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80s, 90s growing up without, you know, the mafia.
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If you're a wise guy and, you know, a violent kid, that's what the mafia is
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looking for. And then especially if you can make money, the mafia is looking for that.
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The trick is like, and I got away with this, but the trick is to, you know, be violent.
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Get the respect and make the money, but have to be involved with them as little as possible.
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Most of my rackets, I didn't give them any money when I was growing up.
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When I was doing my marijuana, they didn't get a pen.
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When I was hijacking trucks, they didn't get a pen. A lot of my loan chart, they didn't get a pen.
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You didn't even tell Bruno that you were selling weed, right?
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Oh, yeah. Because he didn't want to. He would kill you.
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When I got on record in 1991, when I got out of prison in 1991,
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that's when I got out that year, Bruno came to me and put me on record with the Genovese family.
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That's when he came to my house. And then he put me on record with them.
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Meaning record means you want to be with us. The Genovese men.
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And he had to go to his boss, Skyball Chevelli. Violent little killer.
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Violent. And he goes to him. And he says, hey, I want to put you on record.
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He goes to Skyball. Skyball gives him permission. Now I'm on record with,
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I can represent the Genovese crime family.
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I'm not going to broadcast it. but yeah, I'm with so-and-so.
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So I'm around them, but at the same time, I'm heavily involved in the marijuana business and cocaine.
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I was selling kilos of Coke, but I don't even consider that,
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you know, I would sell a few kilos a month, but I don't even consider me a big
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cocaine gift, you know, cause that was just, I only had a few guys.
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I'd give them, you know, a kilo to him, a kilo to him, you know,
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and get rid of a few of them a month.
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Same thing I do with the marijuana. If you wanted, you know, half a key, here's a key.
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And I would do that. And so they didn't get any of my, you know,
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we, we had major scores in the drug business.
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You know, one score, I made 470,000 in one day. They didn't get any of that. No, nothing.
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So yeah, I had another score. I made 300,000.
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I'm in the wrong, I'm in the wrong business. I had multiple scores like that,
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like two, $300,000 scores, at least a
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dozen of them at that level and the mafia
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never got a penny of that all of our high you never needed the mafia
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no i didn't meet him that's what i'm saying business i used to make money like
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you just know how to do it though so bruno came to me and put me on record with
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that all right but i love being like i said growing up and fighting and i'm
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gonna have my we had our gang and we were to talk this gang and we know we don't
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give up you know about nobody and this had him it was well it's the same thing
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i you know an italian growing up.
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The ultimate goal is to be a made member in the mafia. So if you're Italian
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and you're growing up, that's the ultimate goal.
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I never cared about it. Like I cared, but I didn't thirst for it.
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And that's probably why I ended up happening.
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You know, they sought me out. They, they're the ones that kept coming up to
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me. They're the ones that even when it got later on, the New York bosses.
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Oh, it already calmed you down. There you go. Right. So it wasn't just the Western
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Mass, Springfield faction, Connecticut faction that wanted me to get a made guy.
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The actual bosses in New York and not
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just already like the bosses he had to get permission from
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the top bosses and
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you know and so he got that and I got made you know we're jumping away ahead
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but I got made in 03 so you can't get away without being somehow it's just how
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you navigate now I'm not supposed to sell drugs but I do they come to me we
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heard you're selling drugs I deny it who said that where's their proof,
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and could I have gotten killed? Absolutely.
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I got caught with the 40 pounds in 1996. Could I have gotten killed?
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Bruno was going to kill me. He threatened to kill me.
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Told my father he was going to leave me for dead on the front steps.
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We're going to say that. Yeah. That's your father?
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Yep. Old Louie, my friend Louie, Lou DeShue, you tell this, because Bruno could
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have got killed for that too, don't forget.
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Now he put me on record. He's responsible for me.
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Now he's responsible for me. Here I am, get caught with 40 pounds of marijuana.
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Well, they're looking at him going, well yeah don't what the hell is
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this kid he's playing you for a punk either you're involved with him
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you don't fucking know he's doing me and i have no respect for
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you right you gotta and they'll they will
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get the order to clip me you know and uh and bruno was even worried he goes
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before this kid gets reclipped i'll clip him and i'll clip killed you know and
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so yeah so there was no avoiding that and if you were a guy that was involved with the uh.
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That would be the extortions that we were talking about earlier.
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So if there was street rackets and all of a sudden this guy over here is doing
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sports gambling, yeah, he's going to get approached by the mafia.
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He's going to report. He's going to give up something.
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So that's what going back to the extortion protections and all that. Yeah.
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If the guy's a lung shark, if the guy's doing the Joker poker machines,
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the casino games, yeah, you're going to get approached by the mafia.
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Drug dealers know in our area know in bigger city like
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new york and stuff they shut down the drug dealers with us you
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know i was a drug dealer so it wasn't like you know but it was like i want to
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i want to make money with them you know what i'm saying it's like so i'm not
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going to shake down a drug dealer i'm going to go say look you sell marijuana
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i want to i'm what do you say how much you will buy it from me that's my way
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of working with them you know what i'm saying So,
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Al Bruno and your mother were cousins? Yeah, they were.
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So, on my mother's side, Bruno and my cousin, they had the same aunt.
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Okay. You know, a CNO. My mother's a CNO. Bruno's aunt was a CNO.
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And so, he always referred to me as my cousin. You know, when we went to New
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York, this was my cousin.
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And he always referred to me as that. I got it. Okay. Now, I have a silly question. Oh, Jesus.
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I do. No, no, no. Don't trust me. I live in a very sheltered life.
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Did anybody ever say no when they were approached?
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To what? To get made? Yeah. Did anybody ever say no?
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Yeah. So, well, all right.
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So, well, there was a guy in my area that was on record to get made, Joey Bazile.
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And so him and Reno Cerabolo were going to get made before me.
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So when Babishabelli was the boss in like 97, 98, they and Skyball before him.
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And then Anthony DeLevo was going to get the reins from Babba,
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but they all got arrested in 2000.
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So they were going to make a few guys that were loyal to Babba.
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Babel, because Babish Rebelli's son-in-law was Johnny Bazil,
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another weasel. We can talk about the Bazil brothers. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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So both cooperated. You know, walk around, and they snuck their nose,
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and they want to say this and that. Both of them cooperated.
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You know, and Johnny Bazil is right in the paper, and Joey Bazil testified at
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the grand jury and did everything that I did with the extortions,
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but miraculously, he didn't get charged with them.
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So Joey Bazil is on record.
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With to get made and so when i
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had to go do that hit in new york city yeah for the
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bosses for the bosses because that was
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that one the night where nine times we
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went to new york nine times right so this is
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a bosses of the new york family not just artie artie has
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to get permission and from the top no doesn't know about this
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bruno don't know bruno don't know and it's
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the idea that you're going to go do this hit with with
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with freddie type right you know so joey and
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reno were supposed to come with me the bosses don't forget they're on
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record yeah they're on record to get made so when he's asked
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the question as anybody said no joey guazil
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said no he goes take me off the list and
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he ran away he was like a big shot back when he
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first came out i helped him make money i helped him put
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some money on the street uh he started coming around and
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got put on the list and then when this stuff started getting heavy because see
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new york started coming up more stuff started getting heavy and all of a sudden
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you know you know what you're getting he knew he's older than me he knew he
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was getting involved with that one day we might have to kill someone right and
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sure enough when that was getting serious and that order came.
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Why does it go and take me off the list and run away now he was definitely going
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to get killed he was going to get killed it's just that everyone had a rest
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yeah because once you're on record that we sign up for that.
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That's the, uh, the rule that mean, you know, that's the, we know that to being made.
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No, but, but prior to getting made, you had to kill someone.
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That was like a thing that you had to participate in. So it's like,
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You know, you're saying no to the order that you got. You just got an order.
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You're just like, the boss just gave you an order.
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If you're working at a company and the boss goes, you say no,
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you're fired, right? Well, in this case, you're dead.
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But the only thing is everybody got arrested. And that's why he's lucky that
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he ended up surviving that because I was fooled right out of the boss's mouth.
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Wait for now, but we're going to clip that.
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Yeah. And his brother, they're two weasels. I could go on and on and stories
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about him, but real quick. Yeah.
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I had a strip club I was getting involved with. They wanted to sell it.
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Up in Springfield? In Chickabee. Okay.
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His brother, Johnny, comes to me and he says, can you help me sell it?
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I brought these guys up from New York.
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You might as well say billionaires. Okay. Kevin Sisney, Sammy the Albanian, and Scarpa.
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Wow. I brought them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So between the three of them,
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they were worth over a billion dollars, right?
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And I was going to make a million-dollar commission. Johnny Brazil wanted a
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$1.9 million. I say 2.9 to them.
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And I told them, I'm going to make a million-dollar commission on it.
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I'm going to give Johnny and Joey half of that, half of the million-dollar commission.
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Not only that, they're going to put a strip club in this spot, right?
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And it's going to be doing like $300,000 a week. I'm going to get 25% of it.
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I give the two brothers 12.5% of mine.
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I don't have to give them nothing, and I could have just did the deal.
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And I introduced them to the billionaires, all the guys, because we had to meet
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at Peter Picknelly's building, huge connections.
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So now I end up getting arrested in 05. I get taken off the streets.
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The deal, we were using a corrupt mayor in Chicopee that was going to get us
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a licensing because we're organized crime. The deal falls through, right?
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So it falls apart. Now I'm in prison. I do three and a half years.
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I come out. I come out in a 2008. I come out. Now they all got married.
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When I say married, the guys that I introduced them to, the two Esel Brazils
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and Sammy, Kevin, and all them now, they're all like, so they're selling all
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of Carabeta's real estate.
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So Carabeta's getting old. He's selling it with that guy, Butch Daquilla.
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He's selling it for $3 million because Butch is the guy that runs all of his property.
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They're getting the properties for $3 million. Like I said, New York prices,
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you could charge them $9 million. You know, so they're going in,
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buying it up for 3.8 and selling it to my connection for 7.9.
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One deal, they made 4.2 million alone.
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That's just one deal. I come out of prison and I said, now don't forget,
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I was going to give them half of the things, right?
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I come out of prison and I said, you got anything for me?
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Nothing. Nothing. They gave me nothing. The two weasel bazils,
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the nothing they gave me.
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And Joe and Johnny Bazil, it's, you look at his newspaper articles.
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He's the accountant. They considered him the mob accountant, right? Yeah.
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He was the one funneling all the tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars
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that the Chabellis were making and everything through the S&M vending and everything.
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He was the accountant funneling all the money. You know what they did?
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He put the guy, the partner in the strip club, this poor guy,
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right? They made him take the rap. He testified.
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He ended up getting the lawyer out of Boston, the same lawyer that I ended up
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with. Yeah. And he cooperated on the whole case.
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He was supposed to go to jail. I came home and oh, wait. Oh,
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Johnny's going to jail. His brother tells me. Oh, yeah. He's going to get three years.
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Mob accountant, blah, blah, blah. Then what happened? Oh, he's going in 09.
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Oh, then what happened? He's going in 2010.
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Next thing you know, he ends up with a lawyer from Boston, does his talking,
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and doesn't come up with nothing.
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Doesn't go to prison at all. And these are the same guys that walk around Springfield
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with their noses like, oh, this guy did that.
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Point in their fingers. Yeah, you did the same thing. And so that's,
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you know, like a real quick. And I could tell you more stories about them.
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How weasel they are oh shit wow all
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right let's talk let's let's talk about the big night let's talk about when we've
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jumped a little bit maybe i'm going too far but is it
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okay if we talk about already the night to go down to do the kill to
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do that yeah yeah that was during the day i got called down
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there and uh this is when can we talk about freddie and ty
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for a second i just want to correlate them in yeah oh so
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real quick when joey and reno ran away that's when
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i had to go to freddie and ty and going to them to ask them
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to shoot somebody with me it's like right right you guys want to go have
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a drink yeah you know we were just all the same type of
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guys me freddie and ty you know me and ty were in prison at a young age he was
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with me when i went to that state prison so we're both he's only like 18 i'm
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21 we're in a serious serious men's prison you know yeah and so uh you know
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so that's how me and ty bonded and everything and freddie was a prison guard
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Nobody realizes Freddie was a prison guard.
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I'm right in the book. Right. I did not get to that part. But you...
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From what I gather, you say that Ty was, he almost scared you, right?
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Because in a way he was so, you never knew, he's paranoid.
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So he did like via loose cannon. Writing was different, right?
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He was almost a family man too.
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To this day, you say that he still talks to his family from prison.
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Oh, they both do. They both got families.
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Yeah. But Ty was like dangerous because anybody like in prison,
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there was another kid I was in there when he was like five foot three,
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killed seven guys in prison.
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Yeah. And, you know, when somebody suffers from that mental.
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Schizophrenic, paranoid, schizophrenic, you know, you got to be careful of them
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because they think, you know, especially me, he knows I'm a dangerous guy. He knows I'm a killer.
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So they think that you're plotting against them. They're like,
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you know, like if you remember like that guy, Nicky Scarfo, he was,
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he's a psychopathic killer out of Philly.
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He saw one of his underbosses walk behind or one of his captains walk behind
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his underboss right away.
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You know, he's paranoid thinking they're making a move on. Yeah.
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And so like, that's what those guys, that's why they're so dangerous.
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So you got, but in reality, you know, Ty was not scared of me,
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but he was paranoid of me as well because he knew I could,
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I have the potential to kill and the brains to carry things out.
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And, and, and in that life, that's what, you know, you, everyone,
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you know, would be foolish enough to be a little paranoid because we all killed each other.
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You know, it's like, that's what ends up happening. you yourself
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said it i think in the book numerous times since what you signed up
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for you kind of knew if i'm going to take somebody's life and i got to be
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worried about mine right and there's no friends like when you see you got friends
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and i like there is no friends because your friends are the ones that come kill
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you your friends are the ones are going to steal your money when you're in prison
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your friends are the one to be the ones that that's another thing that weasel
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joey bazil did i he avoided me when i was home yeah then when i get a death
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penalty case in 2010 who shows up first at my house.
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Because I had a hot wife. He was looking at, you know, grab my wife.
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Yeah. He was like, the dude. So I say to her, I go, so did he give you? So he, oh, Joey came by.
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So Joey came by. Oh, really? I haven't seen him since I've been home. I got home in 08.
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I told you what he did with him and his scumbag brother with the money.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. With them connections, right?
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So I said, he didn't give me a penny out of it.
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And so I made him millions. He didn't give me a penny. I go,
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and then he comes by. I go, so what did he want? Did he leave you any money? No.
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I go to say, oh, if you need anything. Oh, you should have said my husband's
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facing a death penalty case. I need $100,000 for, you know, help.
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But he didn't leave nothing. And that's what I'm saying.
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Weasel. What are you doing showing up at my house? You didn't come around my house when I was home.
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Where were you when I, yeah. Fucking weasel. Oh, shit.
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You ain't made for this life. Okay, you're not made for this life.
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Listen, listen, listen.
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He was talking about assault and battery. And I'm, you know,
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I'm learning a thing or two with the water thing.
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So I was trying to get here for today. Oh, boy. Yeah.
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So Artie from New York calls you. You go do this here. Right.
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So he calls me to come down and he tells me he wants to kill this,
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me to kill this guy. Brings me to the spot where the guy lives.
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That's his car. That's his apartment. He walks out. He comes out every day at
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six. Yeah. This guy was affiliated with a Lucchese family.
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So there was some sort of beef Amongst Lucchese's and the Genovese Plus he disrespected
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Artie About some tickets to some event And he gave it to Lucchese's guys I don't know but.
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The more in-depth part is that there was something to do with the two families over this guy.
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And so I already wanted him dead. And I already had to get permission.
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He's not just going to order that.
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Yeah, you know, and there's some serious guys that are still alive in that Genevieve's
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family. I mean, notorious, notorious.
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Yeah. Well, what they do is they step back. You know, you got Barney Gronos.
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You got Mario Caganti died. I think Larry has died.
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I don't know if he's still alive. But the guy, the real powerful Ernie Muscarella, you got Danny Leo.
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I don't know if he's still alive. So you've got some major, major people that
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he had to go and get approval for us to go around and kill him.
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And that's what he did. He wanted me to use Joey and Reno. I told you already, Joey ran away.
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I felt bad for Reno because there was a lot of confusion at the time.
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Felix, Reno was with Felix.
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And it was like, you know, this guy's telling me something. You're telling me
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something. Bruno's telling me something. John, the worst is the guy John Bologna.
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We'll talk about him. Oh, I can't wait to talk about him. He's the one that,
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you know, like, you know.
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Reno was hesitant. Right. He said, if you want me in, I'll be there.
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And that's what I told Artie back in New York.
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I said, Reno is still, Joey ran away scared, but Reno said he'd still be around if you need him.
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And I don't blame him for being, you know, what you call it,
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you know, like not knowing what's going on. But listen, it's a lot. You got to go to New York.
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Listen, we're talking about like we're having a drink or something.
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You got to get in the car, drive two hours in New York with guns.
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Hopefully you don't get caught and pulled over that at 2.30 in the morning,
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3 in the morning, because you've got to get there to kill them with silencers.
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With our records, we're getting 20 years just for now.
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So now we've got to pull up to New York, get there 4.6. We've got to get there
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for like 5.30 and look at the location and where are we going to sit and get
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it all planned. That's why it took us three times.
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So it's not like we're talking about doing some simple thing.
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We went down and we ended up shooting the guy nine times.
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You know, got out of there clean and got, you know, got away with that hit. Yeah.
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How do you disassociate when we kill somebody you
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know it's like i know i understand you have a job
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to do but how do you disassociate it's not like you're
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killing like the way i look at it when when a
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guy i think somebody in the service when you
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go to war and you're fighting in the service you've got
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to orders to kill the other kill
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the enemy yeah but i think that's more gonna hurt
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somebody more because you're you're killing another
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guy that's fighting for the same reason you're fighting for he's
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fighting for his country you're fighting you guys didn't do anything to each other
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you didn't nothing personal he's playing for your country you're fighting for
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his country both probably great individuals but yet you took his life you know
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and so that to me is more harder to live with if you ran over someone by accident
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it was your fault things like that,
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you know, that would be hard to live with.
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You say you didn't know him. You didn't know this guy.
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Well, no, and even if I did know him in our lives, in our life,
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we justified as, listen, I killed a guy.
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He killed five guys. Right?
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He got to get killed. Alright, it was his time.
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Tomorrow, I killed a few guys. It might be my time. I get killed. Right?
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Now, it's like ozone. And that's what
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we sign that that's what we you know go by so
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it would be hard like i said there is no fronts if
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you think if the guy tells you he had a friend in
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that life then he's a he he doesn't know
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he's a sucker because he was the one that was probably going to be the one that
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get clipped if he thought some because that's the ones that set you up the ones
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that think oh i got my friend my friend who do you think is going to be calling
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you to the meeting who do you think is going to be shooting in the back of the
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head right you're going to be saying hey who are you going to trust your friend
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So if your friend tells you, hey, let's go to dinner tonight.
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I got a score we can make. And this is not your friend, right?
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So your friend is going to be the one to set you up. So if you think you've
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got a friend in that life, you're pretty much going to be the one getting clicked.
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Next time I'm going to do it, I'm second guessing. And don't sit on the phone.
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Bitch, I'm going to click you, okay? Don't sit in the phone seat.
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Yeah, thank you. Okay, so you go down there and shoot the guy from the passenger
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side nine times. Driver's side.
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Driver's side. He doesn't die. But it's just the idea that Artie acknowledges
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the fact that you were going to do it. Mm-hmm. You know?
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All right. Silence or suck, whatever. It was a major hit on a major city in
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New York, New York City. Yeah.
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And, you know, it took a lot of balls to go down there and do that.
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And the guy was shot nine times from here. Well, I mean, it was America.
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He still got the bullets in him.
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And you said, thank God he's not done. Yeah. I know. Thank God. Yeah.
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All right, so you go back to Springfield. You did this hit. Bruno doesn't know about it. Well, nobody.
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Just John Bologna, that informant, and Artie. And the New York bosses that, you know.
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Is there anything that you're like, well, I can't tell anybody I did this fucking hit.
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But this is how you become made. This is how you get your button is by killing somebody.
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So is this one of the things where you're like, well, Artie knows we tried,
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so hopefully we get made based off that.
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You can't tell anybody. I wasn't looking to get made, though.
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You've got to understand that. We just did it to do it.
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It would have been like if they said, hey, come down and do it.
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We would have did it. I wasn't looking to get my button just because of that.
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I could care less about that.
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And as far as him saying, is he going to be mad? Mad at what?
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At first, we were told the guy was just going to get a beat,
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and that's what the informant John Bologna said.
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And then it turned into murder of the guy. and you
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know you've got the biggest crime family that there is and you
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mean to tell me you ain't got guys in new york that you're gonna make us come
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from springfield so to do that and to come down
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there and don't forget new york was hanging around with me and they see what
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i had in connecticut western mass you know when we went out everywhere they
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seen their respect the crew that i had the vine we would go out and you know
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something would break out and you know we would hurt guys really bad, if not near death.
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And so the New York guys were around us, and this guy John would bring up other
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New York guys, and we had the club, you know, Club Blue in Hartford,
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and a lot of times we were, you know.
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That wraps up this episode of our mini-series with Anthony Arlotta.
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