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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, I'm your host Paula Skatalone, the founder of Transformative Permanix, the podcast that offers listeners a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, Wendy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is such a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The heart is basically communicating to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: either sometimes it's a yes or a no or a pay attention to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a, that's a kinesthetic way that our body is communicating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to recreate a patriarchal dynamic with spirit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happens sometimes with channeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we feel that it or that or what knows more about us than we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to another episode of Transformative Hermonic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Paula Sketteloni, your host.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And today we're going to settle in and have a lovely discussion about so many of the things that we talk about in our program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have the delight to sit here with Wendy de Rosa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before I introduce Wendy and we begin, I'd like to take a moment to invite you as you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to give yourself a chance to slow down and create some space for this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Often we're moving at such a fast pace in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really have time to digest before we take in more information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not ready and you haven't put your feet on the ground or taken a few breaths, go ahead and do that before we begin and find the back body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the seat that's supporting you, and it's almost like shifting in from fifth gear into first, if you're in a car, with that invitation to receive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you feel ready, we'll begin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling pretty ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, Wendy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is such a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we've tried a couple of times to connect, so I'm very happy that this happened today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to welcome you to the podcast of Introduce to you a little before the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love to give you a chance to say hello to our guests, share a little bit about who you are, and then we'll jump into our discussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me, Paula.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad you're here for this conversation that we're going to, you know, flow with today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: an intuitive energy healer initially and then it transformed into a teacher of intuition and in energy healing and I run the school of intuitive studies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I train people in developing intuition from a body holistic perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to say about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What that means but it's helping people develop their intuition by clearing the energy in their system to
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've written several books and yeah, so I can teach all over teach globally and mostly online and happy to go from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful, wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you've been around for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came across you in 2021, so that might have been, I don't know if that was the first rendition or second of your book, the empowered empath, but being an empath myself and needing to
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[SPEAKER_01]: figure that out at that time because I was in the middle of my intuition really exploding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was such a lifesaver of a book and so practical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it became a book that I used in my program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like it's just a wonderful stepping point for those that are just starting to understand all the different aspects of what it means to be intuitive and to take this superpower
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[SPEAKER_01]: in service of yourself or others?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely, it's human, we all have a version of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm wondering through this years, obviously, probably seeing more and more people that are opening to their intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And do you find that some of those practical tools that you taught in that very first book are still the things you're teaching now, or have things evolved,
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[SPEAKER_01]: about those practical, because there's a lot of gems that you teach, but some of them are so foundational to understanding intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and quite honestly, I think that in the past several years since the book is written, I've probably doubled down on some of those tools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think sometimes in personal growth and in spiritual growth we want new and exciting and let's keep, you know, let's try something new and let's keep going faster, but the truth is sometimes these basic foundational
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[SPEAKER_00]: aspects are tools that help us stay connected to ourselves, the tried and true ones are worth repeating and bringing into our daily practice and integrating more deeply and so what I find is the more I am deepening and some of these tools, the more
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[SPEAKER_00]: will say like the layers of the onion can start to peel more because we're developing more of a sense of foundation and safety in ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, happy to be more specific about the tools if you're, if needed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think some of the practical things that struck me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where you talk a lot about the understanding of yourself from a lower and an upper intuition and what it means and what work you might need to do if you are developed in one area and not the other and how do you have both and that say different way of teaching than I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's it is interesting because I think if we're talking about an empath there's sort of a lens to look at it from an empath perspective and a lens to look at it from an intuitive like meaning a person all of us who have some aspect of intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As an empath, I think sometimes we feel, you know, we're so heart-centered, empaths tend to be, you know, the deep feelers and care, and they may be in caring professions, or sort of the person that people go to with, I don't know why I don't tell anybody this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here I am telling you, you know, they have that open-hearted
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[SPEAKER_00]: quality typically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we think about the upper body, but what's often happening for the empath is not necessarily initiated in the upper body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually, you know, it's sort of a system that is developed in how a person's going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: operate in the world that formed very young, and if we're looking at the energetic system, we're really looking at the lower chakras, and what we might be holding in that area of the body that's part of our subconscious operating system that might have an empath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: feeling overwhelmed or feeling ungrounded or living kind of too high up, therefore there's vacancy in the lower body in their absorbing everything to fill that space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's one way to think about it and then from an intuitive perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think we think, maybe I'll make a big generalization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it's everywhere, but sometimes we think of intuition as psychic or, you know, it's all up here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all in what the brain and the upper power centers ultimately
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, are picking up on that coherent level or, you know, sensing, but, but the empath is deeply intuitive and that is very much a felt sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very much the lower half of the body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just somewhat programmed and conditioned to live up here in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're also sometimes programmed in conditioned to live up here as an intuitive, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And part of what I often are teaching and helping people is to say that we have power down here, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just have to relearn it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to reconnect with it in a way that maybe it was never modeled for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's two pieces that stand out for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One is the understanding of how that might have developed because of trauma or because of needing to scan the environment a lot or know what people were thinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you become a student at that, of reading other people's energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's some healing around that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talk a lot about that in the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the concept of the root chakra contraction, that happens when we're raised in environments when it's not safe for us to be, you know, to be in ourselves, to belong, to have a sense of safety inside ourselves and when that root chakra contracts, the soul starts to lift
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[SPEAKER_00]: feel beneath the table power center, it starts to become hypervisual and it pays attention to what everybody else needs around it in order to do the job of the first chakra which is to seek safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we'll disconnect from ourselves and prioritize the needs of others, and that's the pattern that repeats itself throughout our life in our adult life with energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with people, you know, with people's energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not up here that's doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A peer we're saying, I don't want to take on the energy of others, but it is this deeper programming within us, but right, it's the healing that we need to do to to sort of reparent that pattern.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and the, and the coming into an embodied sense of safety, so, so many people working with neuroscience and semantics and the body are understanding how important that is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the nervous system, yeah, and the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there, you also struck something that happens to my groups often people will say, well, I don't, I don't have intuition like everyone else because I don't see things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then they assume they're waiting for something magical to happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That there's many, many ways of being intuitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to just define what I mean by the four,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for senses and that might help somebody hear an aspect of intuition that is relevant for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that sound very helpful?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hear that, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people will say, I don't think I'm intuitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you feel that way, let's try this on for a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, in I think of the clear senses, which is the intuitive senses beneath our physical senses or our sensory system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we we taste, we hear, we smell, we see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we have these deeper subtle senses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These clear senses relate to the chakra system also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for example, a hearing sense would relate to the throat chakra, which governs the ears and the throat and the hearing ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I like to do is start down at the base of the body and say that the feeling sense, which is the clear sentient sense is typically what empaths relate to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel energy when they walk in the room, they feel the energy of others, they feel they can be very, there's sensitive process and system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they might feel energy very deeply in their body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll think of it more as like theoric fields out here, the bio field, and energy very easily crosses that field and they'll feel it within their nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and in their body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's an intuitive sense to be able to feel the energy of other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the course entity in sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The clear cognizance sense is the knowing sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sense, people will say, I just know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know because I know and I don't know how.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those just get that knowing sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it also comes with things like it's very kinesthetic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll come with things like the chills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I call them validation chills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when something feels like that really resonates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll also come with sometimes gut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this doesn't feel good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, I got a gut
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[SPEAKER_00]: it will come with anxiety in the heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the feeling that the heart is
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[SPEAKER_00]: basically communicating to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either sometimes it's a yes or a no or a pay attention to me, but that's a kinesthetic way that our body is communicating a knowing sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that sometimes people don't see that as intuition, but that is absolutely to me, one of a very powerful and important intuitive sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We glorify the seeing and the clairvoyant, but we have taught intuition a long time, people will clairvoyance will say, I get this picture, what does it mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do I know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how we know, we know through the claircoxence and sense, we need that sense, deep within the lower body, to be able to listen to the body, the soul's communication, through the body to translate that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the spiritual aspect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I work with artists and writers and creatives, they have that knowing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're whatever they've created, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they don't view that as intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a lot of what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about for those folks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so let's talk if you don't mind
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[SPEAKER_01]: to talk about the throat and music and the auditory system because that is also where my community spends a lot of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you have a background in music prior to you're shifting into this world, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a singer songwriter and toured all over the US as a singer songwriter in my 20s and Oh, that's nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a big part of my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so in that time period, did you experience that as spiritual?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a profound story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you my profound story, and I have a lot to say about this and actually from a humanities perspective, because I've been working, I've been doing an independent study at CU Boulder on through humanities on this, but I want to speak to some of that, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was 19 years old, I think I told this book and the story in my book, but it relates to music because music growing up, I was one of eight children in a big Italian family, my dad traded piano lessons on a piano for a paint job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was painting contractor for my sister and I to learn to start playing the piano.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that piano in the room became my saving grace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like my only essence in the home that was so chaotic, you know, and loud, and I met love my family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're very close, but wow, it was a lot, you know, and I was a sensitive being, but it, but I started songwriting at a really
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I left to go to college, I was already on a nervous system overload, being the oldest of eight kids, a second oldest of eight kids, oldest girl, lots of responsibility, didn't have a, you know, had a stressful childhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I went off to college, I couldn't take the piano with me, so I started playing the guitar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually brought the trumpet that didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I don't try this one didn't work so well, but I was in Boston at the time, and I ended up going through this major crisis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what was happening was this is my language now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could not have said this back then, but my heart was guiding me in a different direction entirely out of school entirely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I felt my heart was expanding and calling me to Colorado at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was, you know, 34 years, I mean, pre-internet, right, pre-social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know anything about Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just had this like, call that this is where I needed to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw it in a magazine once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had this nervous breakdown, is what was called at the time, went to the hospital, came out, and I was trying to decide, do I stay or do I leave?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I ended up walking with my roommate down Massachusetts Avenue in Boston, and at the time there was a tower records on the corner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean there's musical analogies everywhere in the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, but on that story, Massav and Newberry Street, there was a tower records and I ended up, you know, we're walking and talking about should I stay or should I go if I go I forfeit tuition it was a big decision I was 19 years old
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I take this left and there's a man standing there on the corner, a few yards down, and he's carrying an ukulele, and he has a red jacket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, can I sing you girls a song for some spare change?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we say, no, that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, no, Wendy, you need to hear a song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, my name is Arias, don't worry about the change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's so he gets down on one knee and he sings the song, home on the range where the buffalo roam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One day, you're going to get to Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, Wendy, it's not your time to go yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're going to get there, hang in there a little longer, and he gives me a kiss on the cheek and vanishes right behind me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And literally my roommate and I look at each other and look back in this guy is gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, where she runs, darts off to tower records and the coffee should rise to see where he went.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm having this total transmission of healing on the street in Boston, and I, my anxiety was gone, I felt peace, I felt joy, every that guy was having this transmission,
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[SPEAKER_00]: experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he had this glow around his head this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I is what I remember when she came back, she was like, do you know what that was?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I absolutely know what that was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, what do you that was an angel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I know, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were in such a disbelief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all we could say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe that just happened as we're walking down the street and maybe about a half hour later I call my mom and up until that point home was a big part of my issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So calling mom was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my mom is a very Catholic woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She could win Catholic Jeopardy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, knows everything about the Catholic religion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I call her and I say, mom, I have to tell you which has happened and she and I tell her, and she says, Wendy, I sent that angel to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, well, how do you have to take responsibility for everything spiritual in the hand that happens in my life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hang up the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't speak about it for 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I write the book, expanding your heart that I have out, and I'm on a book signing, and my mom is in the audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm back in Hartford, Connecticut, doing this book signing, and my mom's there, and I said, Mom, she's in front row.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember this story?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, yes, and what I remember was that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you are having a hard time and I went to the bookstore at my church and I got out this book on angels and how to be with your loved ones if you couldn't be with them and I picked the angel arriest because I knew he could reach you through song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for 10 that story came full circle 10 years later, I had no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, and I say it's a clear audience experience because a throat chakra is about messages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about receiving messages, it's about channeling messages, it's about expressing messages, it's about getting connected to this divine channel, and sometimes those messengers come in ways we don't expect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they come in dreams, they come, you know, in billboards, they come in license plates, they come in feathers that are dropped or pennies that are dropped or, you know, the rainbow, we get the messages, sometimes we don't always think of it, that it comes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: necessarily downloads through us, sometimes it's like the inspirational experience in front of us awakens, it's at the message that awakens the inner voice or the inner expression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say like getting into the zone, I think of the zone as this channel, that channel became forever became the foundation of my work as an intuitive, but it's also the same channel that creatives, that songwriters, that musicians use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll just add that like, I joke about this all the time, but, you know, there's a quote many years ago, I heard it that Michael Jackson and I know he's, you know, he's complex character, he's been, you know, complex person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he made this comment many years ago that I was hung on to and he says, if, if I don't get up at three, I am, if I don't work on this song right now with him and Quincy Jones, we don't get into the recording studio right now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they put it in the mood, I saw the movie and they put that quote in the movie and I laughed when I heard it because it's always then my backward joke, my back, my joke on the back of my mind is like, if I don't capture this in this moment, it'll be gone, you know, yeah, yeah, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in my experience when I'm plugging into the channel, I feel like there's a
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[SPEAKER_01]: almost like a whole of fame record studio and we go into the record studio and go through all the songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, pick the ones that are going to help the processing of the emotions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes me think of the Akashic record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, yeah, that's what I do, the Akashic record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's literally a record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: studio in a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of humorous to me when I, when I finally put it all together, right, that, that, that where are songs from where they stored, how do they come through as messages for us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then the writers of the songs, which you are, is that a study that you're doing with musicians right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I majored in humanities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, and so what that really means is we look at the evolution of humanity through art, music, culture, literature,
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[SPEAKER_00]: poetry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, we look at, and we look at societies and systems that are developing and evolving throughout time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I find sometimes I do look at,
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[SPEAKER_00]: intuition and, you know, I look at it from a humanities lens, sometimes the evolution of us and and it is interesting because it sometimes humanities takes an account everything and that that can be like, for example, neuroscience can be, you know, something we would study because it is about the evolution of the human brain and how we're learning to engage within ourselves
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm doing right now is a study on looking at the healing, healing in music and I was I've been reading Daniel Levittons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is your brain on music, which is a neural science approach to looking at the construct of music and how it affects zones of brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and what happens in our brains very fascinating from a neuroscience perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've also been looking at Mary Gautier's song, our go-shaya, I think she says, pronounces it saved by a song which is her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: approach of songwriting, healing trauma through songwriting, and that goes everything from her history with addiction to working with veterans to HIV, to her adoption story, and all of her complex trauma that she talks about through the songwriting process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very fascinating because she does talk exactly what we're talking about in terms of this channeling experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In itself, it's a self-discovery, it's a process, and then it takes time to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes time to allow the true voice to come through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The essence of your soul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well, powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: speaking with people who are writing songs, it's a research, I'm mostly doing research and and with those two resources and then, yeah, just writing my own critical analysis of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why hopefully it will get to see that and then we'll put these books and the show notes for people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is the role of music been in your life then as you you left it and then have come back to but you have a wealth of information and understanding about the energy of how this opens up in the channel and so do you hear use music or have a relationship with it in as a songwriter or is it a pathway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I'll say is I am
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[SPEAKER_00]: I miss music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say it's say that I listen to music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My daughter is really into music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had her in music together classes when she was really little.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So music has always been a part of our life, but in terms of me playing music and playing the guitar and songwriting, it is taken the back burner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I do do though and how I experience my
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[SPEAKER_00]: my clear audience sense is mostly through facilitating healing and guidance that comes through I run divine guidance healings where words and you know basically I don't usually use the word channeling but it's like a channeled message or a channeled guided healing that comes through
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I have a guitar over my corner and I think about it all the time and I don't know what my block is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just time and you're in your lane right now with my lane right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but I love it and I listen to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I'm more of a listener these days than a creator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't think it ever goes away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it just, you know, we go into different lanes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it makes me think about
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing is that you mentioned, you don't use the word channeling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what are other words we can use that are different because that can have a lot of connotations to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so how do you talk about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say for me, Iris, I'm receiving higher guidance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going into my guidance channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say I'm in relationship with the divine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll use phrases like that or I'm receiving higher, I often say I'm receiving higher guidance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I'll refer to this channel depending on the audience, I'll refer to it as the genius channel, some people, like I'll use that in business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I work with like founders and business clients, you know, you'll go into our channel of genius.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll, that often relates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or sometimes it is your creative flow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm working with creators, are getting into the flow, if I'm working with movement or dancers, people who have more movement in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Body, or if they have more yoga in them, I'll say the Shishumanani, I'll say the, you know, there's different, different language for,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for this pathway that we have in our system, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And often, when you speak about it in your book, you talk about if your essence is not in that channel, then other things can come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And influence you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a, you know, it feeds into why I don't use the word channeling because in my experience, and I think it's evolved to be honest over the past probably 10 to 15 years, but very early on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have found myself in the room of people who are channeling, I don't know what, and it doesn't feel clean, and they don't know exactly what it is themselves, and that is an effect for people in the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we will get that transmission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If something has taken a hold or has power over someone, the people on the receiving end
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to use the word sort of a toxic experience with it and so I kind of became a little bit of a stickler around this and it's why I stopped using the word channel or never really resonated for me to use the word channeling because of the connotation you mentioned, people are
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[SPEAKER_00]: My approach to it is that we have a self, and I never want to promote or be in the place in the position of feeling that
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't have a self in relation to a higher frequency or like, you know, higher frequency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, another way to say this is our guides do not want to inhabit our body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to take over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will, you know, come close if we need a little support.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they'll step out if we need to stew in our own pasta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, they don't have issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't
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[SPEAKER_00]: There isn't this, I don't want to recreate a patriarchal dynamic with spirit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happens sometimes with channeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we feel that it or that or what knows more about us than we do and that's just another projection of the patriarchy on the spiritual realm and that's not
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[SPEAKER_00]: it doesn't help us evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't help us embody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't help us live in our, you know, to live in our, in our power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't live in power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are here to be human.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to have a human experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to have that insight and support and co creation with higher levels of who we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but to be in the driver's seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of way more in a nutshell, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're trying lightly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot out there right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there will continue to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I use the word discernment a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: do you have discernment around spiritual growth and a grounded embodied practical perspective?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's also a trauma informed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, how do you have all of those at the same time as you continue to grow because people are ready to grow it's time, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as it's taken hold, we're entering into a new era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, how many years ago, 30 years ago, you started this, but now if you pull up the internet, it's everywhere, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do people discern what's authentic and real and safe with, you know, just continuing to have experiences, but not have it be in the best interest of your own body and physical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you're also naming that, you know, how, how do we continue to grow?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been thinking about this for myself is like, gosh, Wendy, are you, are you so discerning that you're limiting yourself from expanding and growing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do have a lot of awareness of this myself talking about awareness in a body, you know, history, you know, you've
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[SPEAKER_00]: at what point is it that more opening does need to happen and that and and one of the you know when I teach my training program I don't go to upper chakra work at all until we know how to be in the lower body but sometimes we can hang down there in the lower body and continue to keep healing and healing and healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we need this too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is this interesting evaluation and balance between kind of upper chakra and lower chakra.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is part of why I moved out of the world of semantics because I think they kept us there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yet I was having these very expanded experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I went, wait a minute, there's more and there's more
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we do need them, but yeah, we don't want to get stuck, we want to start inviting more in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in your books, let's kind of wrap things up with where to start with your books because there are three three books, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where might be a good place out of those three if someone were to choose one of them and then we can talk about your program and what you offer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wish I could say they move in an order like a progression, but they are a more like what someone might be intuitively drawn to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Chakra book first of all was written like 20 years ago, or maybe I don't know, 17 years ago, it's actually out of print.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you can get it in a PDF off my website and I say I think because I have to
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[SPEAKER_00]: check and make sure we still have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look on Amazon, it looks like it's, you know, significantly priced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not where you want to get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to my website, WendyDeroce.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we have it in a digital format.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then my other books, expanding your heart,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a journey on understanding how the heart, it's kind of the experience I was explaining where the heart expands, but then we have this scaffolding so to speak around it that has been part of our conditioning and programming that somewhat kind of cracks when we go through certain stages of transition and growth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that heart cracking can be a spiritual opening, but sometimes it looks like a divorce or it looks like the birth of a child or it looks like a major move for some life change that cracks us open and then it moves us into this next stages which are chaos and then healing and then contemplative being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what that book is about and then the next book becoming an empowered empath is whether you identify as an empath or not, or managing energy, that book benefits anybody who is feeling that they are sensitive to the energetic experience of life and the world around them and how to sort of understand what's going on and develop strong skills and boundaries around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and with the state and the world as it is, I think it is a must, and you need to have this book in your bookshelf if you're sensitive, so thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and and your programs, maybe we can end with that and where people can find you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you have your own YouTube channels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the ways that you teach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So on the free level YouTube podcast, you can find Wendy Dero's sessions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to my YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot of content there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when it comes to my offerings, I have a membership, and that's where I show up live every month and facilitate a deep guided healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that kind of facilitating guidance experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That happens every month and that's live and then there's recordings and there's a big library of guided healings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and teachings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then my major training program is called the Energy Healing and Intuition Training and that is a year-long journey and then there's a second year if people are interested in learning to become certified as an intuitive energy healer and it is incredibly transformational
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[SPEAKER_01]: on the ground app.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So very grounded, practical, integrative, and thoughtful, and I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure my community will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, as I said, there's so many different options and programs, and so trying to find the ones that are kind of bringing everything together in a lovely,
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[SPEAKER_01]: way that allows, because we understand neuroscience, because we understand psychology, because we understand subtle energy that can navigate all of those domains, so we're not leaving anything out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciate that M.M.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glad that we've reconnected, so we could talk about it and share and bring your book to life in my program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for spending the time with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Paula.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for sharing my work and for your gifts, for bringing your throat chakra essence to the world, channeling your messages into the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Neuety, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see, yeah, it's going to be an interesting year ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, I'm your host Paula Skatalone, the founder of Transformative Permanix, the podcast that offers listeners a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, Wendy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is such a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The heart is basically communicating to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: either sometimes it's a yes or a no or a pay attention to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a, that's a kinesthetic way that our body is communicating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to recreate a patriarchal dynamic with spirit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happens sometimes with channeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we feel that it or that or what knows more about us than we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to another episode of Transformative Hermonic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Paula Sketteloni, your host.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And today we're going to settle in and have a lovely discussion about so many of the things that we talk about in our program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have the delight to sit here with Wendy de Rosa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before I introduce Wendy and we begin, I'd like to take a moment to invite you as you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to give yourself a chance to slow down and create some space for this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Often we're moving at such a fast pace in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really have time to digest before we take in more information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not ready and you haven't put your feet on the ground or taken a few breaths, go ahead and do that before we begin and find the back body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the seat that's supporting you, and it's almost like shifting in from fifth gear into first, if you're in a car, with that invitation to receive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you feel ready, we'll begin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling pretty ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, Wendy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is such a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we've tried a couple of times to connect, so I'm very happy that this happened today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to welcome you to the podcast of Introduce to you a little before the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love to give you a chance to say hello to our guests, share a little bit about who you are, and then we'll jump into our discussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me, Paula.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad you're here for this conversation that we're going to, you know, flow with today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: an intuitive energy healer initially and then it transformed into a teacher of intuition and in energy healing and I run the school of intuitive studies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I train people in developing intuition from a body holistic perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to say about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What that means but it's helping people develop their intuition by clearing the energy in their system to
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've written several books and yeah, so I can teach all over teach globally and mostly online and happy to go from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful, wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you've been around for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came across you in 2021, so that might have been, I don't know if that was the first rendition or second of your book, the empowered empath, but being an empath myself and needing to
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[SPEAKER_01]: figure that out at that time because I was in the middle of my intuition really exploding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was such a lifesaver of a book and so practical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it became a book that I used in my program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like it's just a wonderful stepping point for those that are just starting to understand all the different aspects of what it means to be intuitive and to take this superpower
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[SPEAKER_01]: in service of yourself or others?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely, it's human, we all have a version of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm wondering through this years, obviously, probably seeing more and more people that are opening to their intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And do you find that some of those practical tools that you taught in that very first book are still the things you're teaching now, or have things evolved,
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[SPEAKER_01]: about those practical, because there's a lot of gems that you teach, but some of them are so foundational to understanding intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and quite honestly, I think that in the past several years since the book is written, I've probably doubled down on some of those tools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think sometimes in personal growth and in spiritual growth we want new and exciting and let's keep, you know, let's try something new and let's keep going faster, but the truth is sometimes these basic foundational
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[SPEAKER_00]: aspects are tools that help us stay connected to ourselves, the tried and true ones are worth repeating and bringing into our daily practice and integrating more deeply and so what I find is the more I am deepening and some of these tools, the more
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[SPEAKER_00]: will say like the layers of the onion can start to peel more because we're developing more of a sense of foundation and safety in ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, happy to be more specific about the tools if you're, if needed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think some of the practical things that struck me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where you talk a lot about the understanding of yourself from a lower and an upper intuition and what it means and what work you might need to do if you are developed in one area and not the other and how do you have both and that say different way of teaching than I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's it is interesting because I think if we're talking about an empath there's sort of a lens to look at it from an empath perspective and a lens to look at it from an intuitive like meaning a person all of us who have some aspect of intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As an empath, I think sometimes we feel, you know, we're so heart-centered, empaths tend to be, you know, the deep feelers and care, and they may be in caring professions, or sort of the person that people go to with, I don't know why I don't tell anybody this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here I am telling you, you know, they have that open-hearted
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[SPEAKER_00]: quality typically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we think about the upper body, but what's often happening for the empath is not necessarily initiated in the upper body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually, you know, it's sort of a system that is developed in how a person's going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: operate in the world that formed very young, and if we're looking at the energetic system, we're really looking at the lower chakras, and what we might be holding in that area of the body that's part of our subconscious operating system that might have an empath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: feeling overwhelmed or feeling ungrounded or living kind of too high up, therefore there's vacancy in the lower body in their absorbing everything to fill that space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's one way to think about it and then from an intuitive perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think we think, maybe I'll make a big generalization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it's everywhere, but sometimes we think of intuition as psychic or, you know, it's all up here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all in what the brain and the upper power centers ultimately
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, are picking up on that coherent level or, you know, sensing, but, but the empath is deeply intuitive and that is very much a felt sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very much the lower half of the body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just somewhat programmed and conditioned to live up here in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're also sometimes programmed in conditioned to live up here as an intuitive, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And part of what I often are teaching and helping people is to say that we have power down here, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just have to relearn it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to reconnect with it in a way that maybe it was never modeled for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's two pieces that stand out for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One is the understanding of how that might have developed because of trauma or because of needing to scan the environment a lot or know what people were thinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you become a student at that, of reading other people's energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's some healing around that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talk a lot about that in the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the concept of the root chakra contraction, that happens when we're raised in environments when it's not safe for us to be, you know, to be in ourselves, to belong, to have a sense of safety inside ourselves and when that root chakra contracts, the soul starts to lift
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[SPEAKER_00]: feel beneath the table power center, it starts to become hypervisual and it pays attention to what everybody else needs around it in order to do the job of the first chakra which is to seek safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we'll disconnect from ourselves and prioritize the needs of others, and that's the pattern that repeats itself throughout our life in our adult life with energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with people, you know, with people's energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not up here that's doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A peer we're saying, I don't want to take on the energy of others, but it is this deeper programming within us, but right, it's the healing that we need to do to to sort of reparent that pattern.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and the, and the coming into an embodied sense of safety, so, so many people working with neuroscience and semantics and the body are understanding how important that is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the nervous system, yeah, and the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there, you also struck something that happens to my groups often people will say, well, I don't, I don't have intuition like everyone else because I don't see things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then they assume they're waiting for something magical to happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That there's many, many ways of being intuitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to just define what I mean by the four,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for senses and that might help somebody hear an aspect of intuition that is relevant for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that sound very helpful?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hear that, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people will say, I don't think I'm intuitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you feel that way, let's try this on for a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, in I think of the clear senses, which is the intuitive senses beneath our physical senses or our sensory system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we we taste, we hear, we smell, we see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we have these deeper subtle senses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These clear senses relate to the chakra system also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for example, a hearing sense would relate to the throat chakra, which governs the ears and the throat and the hearing ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I like to do is start down at the base of the body and say that the feeling sense, which is the clear sentient sense is typically what empaths relate to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel energy when they walk in the room, they feel the energy of others, they feel they can be very, there's sensitive process and system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they might feel energy very deeply in their body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll think of it more as like theoric fields out here, the bio field, and energy very easily crosses that field and they'll feel it within their nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and in their body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's an intuitive sense to be able to feel the energy of other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the course entity in sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The clear cognizance sense is the knowing sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sense, people will say, I just know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know because I know and I don't know how.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those just get that knowing sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it also comes with things like it's very kinesthetic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll come with things like the chills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I call them validation chills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when something feels like that really resonates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll also come with sometimes gut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this doesn't feel good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, I got a gut
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[SPEAKER_00]: it will come with anxiety in the heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the feeling that the heart is
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[SPEAKER_00]: basically communicating to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either sometimes it's a yes or a no or a pay attention to me, but that's a kinesthetic way that our body is communicating a knowing sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that sometimes people don't see that as intuition, but that is absolutely to me, one of a very powerful and important intuitive sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We glorify the seeing and the clairvoyant, but we have taught intuition a long time, people will clairvoyance will say, I get this picture, what does it mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do I know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how we know, we know through the claircoxence and sense, we need that sense, deep within the lower body, to be able to listen to the body, the soul's communication, through the body to translate that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the spiritual aspect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I work with artists and writers and creatives, they have that knowing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're whatever they've created, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they don't view that as intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a lot of what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about for those folks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so let's talk if you don't mind
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[SPEAKER_01]: to talk about the throat and music and the auditory system because that is also where my community spends a lot of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you have a background in music prior to you're shifting into this world, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a singer songwriter and toured all over the US as a singer songwriter in my 20s and Oh, that's nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a big part of my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so in that time period, did you experience that as spiritual?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a profound story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you my profound story, and I have a lot to say about this and actually from a humanities perspective, because I've been working, I've been doing an independent study at CU Boulder on through humanities on this, but I want to speak to some of that, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was 19 years old, I think I told this book and the story in my book, but it relates to music because music growing up, I was one of eight children in a big Italian family, my dad traded piano lessons on a piano for a paint job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was painting contractor for my sister and I to learn to start playing the piano.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that piano in the room became my saving grace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like my only essence in the home that was so chaotic, you know, and loud, and I met love my family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're very close, but wow, it was a lot, you know, and I was a sensitive being, but it, but I started songwriting at a really
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I left to go to college, I was already on a nervous system overload, being the oldest of eight kids, a second oldest of eight kids, oldest girl, lots of responsibility, didn't have a, you know, had a stressful childhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I went off to college, I couldn't take the piano with me, so I started playing the guitar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually brought the trumpet that didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I don't try this one didn't work so well, but I was in Boston at the time, and I ended up going through this major crisis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what was happening was this is my language now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could not have said this back then, but my heart was guiding me in a different direction entirely out of school entirely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I felt my heart was expanding and calling me to Colorado at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was, you know, 34 years, I mean, pre-internet, right, pre-social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know anything about Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just had this like, call that this is where I needed to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw it in a magazine once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had this nervous breakdown, is what was called at the time, went to the hospital, came out, and I was trying to decide, do I stay or do I leave?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I ended up walking with my roommate down Massachusetts Avenue in Boston, and at the time there was a tower records on the corner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean there's musical analogies everywhere in the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, but on that story, Massav and Newberry Street, there was a tower records and I ended up, you know, we're walking and talking about should I stay or should I go if I go I forfeit tuition it was a big decision I was 19 years old
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I take this left and there's a man standing there on the corner, a few yards down, and he's carrying an ukulele, and he has a red jacket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, can I sing you girls a song for some spare change?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we say, no, that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, no, Wendy, you need to hear a song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, my name is Arias, don't worry about the change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's so he gets down on one knee and he sings the song, home on the range where the buffalo roam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One day, you're going to get to Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, Wendy, it's not your time to go yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're going to get there, hang in there a little longer, and he gives me a kiss on the cheek and vanishes right behind me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And literally my roommate and I look at each other and look back in this guy is gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, where she runs, darts off to tower records and the coffee should rise to see where he went.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm having this total transmission of healing on the street in Boston, and I, my anxiety was gone, I felt peace, I felt joy, every that guy was having this transmission,
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[SPEAKER_00]: experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he had this glow around his head this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I is what I remember when she came back, she was like, do you know what that was?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I absolutely know what that was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, what do you that was an angel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I know, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were in such a disbelief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all we could say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe that just happened as we're walking down the street and maybe about a half hour later I call my mom and up until that point home was a big part of my issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So calling mom was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my mom is a very Catholic woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She could win Catholic Jeopardy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, knows everything about the Catholic religion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I call her and I say, mom, I have to tell you which has happened and she and I tell her, and she says, Wendy, I sent that angel to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, well, how do you have to take responsibility for everything spiritual in the hand that happens in my life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hang up the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't speak about it for 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I write the book, expanding your heart that I have out, and I'm on a book signing, and my mom is in the audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm back in Hartford, Connecticut, doing this book signing, and my mom's there, and I said, Mom, she's in front row.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember this story?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, yes, and what I remember was that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you are having a hard time and I went to the bookstore at my church and I got out this book on angels and how to be with your loved ones if you couldn't be with them and I picked the angel arriest because I knew he could reach you through song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for 10 that story came full circle 10 years later, I had no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, and I say it's a clear audience experience because a throat chakra is about messages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about receiving messages, it's about channeling messages, it's about expressing messages, it's about getting connected to this divine channel, and sometimes those messengers come in ways we don't expect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they come in dreams, they come, you know, in billboards, they come in license plates, they come in feathers that are dropped or pennies that are dropped or, you know, the rainbow, we get the messages, sometimes we don't always think of it, that it comes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: necessarily downloads through us, sometimes it's like the inspirational experience in front of us awakens, it's at the message that awakens the inner voice or the inner expression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say like getting into the zone, I think of the zone as this channel, that channel became forever became the foundation of my work as an intuitive, but it's also the same channel that creatives, that songwriters, that musicians use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll just add that like, I joke about this all the time, but, you know, there's a quote many years ago, I heard it that Michael Jackson and I know he's, you know, he's complex character, he's been, you know, complex person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he made this comment many years ago that I was hung on to and he says, if, if I don't get up at three, I am, if I don't work on this song right now with him and Quincy Jones, we don't get into the recording studio right now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they put it in the mood, I saw the movie and they put that quote in the movie and I laughed when I heard it because it's always then my backward joke, my back, my joke on the back of my mind is like, if I don't capture this in this moment, it'll be gone, you know, yeah, yeah, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in my experience when I'm plugging into the channel, I feel like there's a
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[SPEAKER_01]: almost like a whole of fame record studio and we go into the record studio and go through all the songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, pick the ones that are going to help the processing of the emotions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes me think of the Akashic record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, yeah, that's what I do, the Akashic record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's literally a record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: studio in a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of humorous to me when I, when I finally put it all together, right, that, that, that where are songs from where they stored, how do they come through as messages for us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then the writers of the songs, which you are, is that a study that you're doing with musicians right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I majored in humanities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, and so what that really means is we look at the evolution of humanity through art, music, culture, literature,
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[SPEAKER_00]: poetry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, we look at, and we look at societies and systems that are developing and evolving throughout time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I find sometimes I do look at,
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[SPEAKER_00]: intuition and, you know, I look at it from a humanities lens, sometimes the evolution of us and and it is interesting because it sometimes humanities takes an account everything and that that can be like, for example, neuroscience can be, you know, something we would study because it is about the evolution of the human brain and how we're learning to engage within ourselves
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm doing right now is a study on looking at the healing, healing in music and I was I've been reading Daniel Levittons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is your brain on music, which is a neural science approach to looking at the construct of music and how it affects zones of brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and what happens in our brains very fascinating from a neuroscience perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've also been looking at Mary Gautier's song, our go-shaya, I think she says, pronounces it saved by a song which is her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: approach of songwriting, healing trauma through songwriting, and that goes everything from her history with addiction to working with veterans to HIV, to her adoption story, and all of her complex trauma that she talks about through the songwriting process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very fascinating because she does talk exactly what we're talking about in terms of this channeling experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In itself, it's a self-discovery, it's a process, and then it takes time to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes time to allow the true voice to come through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The essence of your soul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well, powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: speaking with people who are writing songs, it's a research, I'm mostly doing research and and with those two resources and then, yeah, just writing my own critical analysis of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why hopefully it will get to see that and then we'll put these books and the show notes for people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is the role of music been in your life then as you you left it and then have come back to but you have a wealth of information and understanding about the energy of how this opens up in the channel and so do you hear use music or have a relationship with it in as a songwriter or is it a pathway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I'll say is I am
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[SPEAKER_00]: I miss music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say it's say that I listen to music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My daughter is really into music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had her in music together classes when she was really little.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So music has always been a part of our life, but in terms of me playing music and playing the guitar and songwriting, it is taken the back burner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I do do though and how I experience my
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[SPEAKER_00]: my clear audience sense is mostly through facilitating healing and guidance that comes through I run divine guidance healings where words and you know basically I don't usually use the word channeling but it's like a channeled message or a channeled guided healing that comes through
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I have a guitar over my corner and I think about it all the time and I don't know what my block is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just time and you're in your lane right now with my lane right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but I love it and I listen to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I'm more of a listener these days than a creator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't think it ever goes away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it just, you know, we go into different lanes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it makes me think about
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing is that you mentioned, you don't use the word channeling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what are other words we can use that are different because that can have a lot of connotations to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so how do you talk about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say for me, Iris, I'm receiving higher guidance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going into my guidance channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say I'm in relationship with the divine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll use phrases like that or I'm receiving higher, I often say I'm receiving higher guidance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I'll refer to this channel depending on the audience, I'll refer to it as the genius channel, some people, like I'll use that in business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I work with like founders and business clients, you know, you'll go into our channel of genius.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll, that often relates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or sometimes it is your creative flow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm working with creators, are getting into the flow, if I'm working with movement or dancers, people who have more movement in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Body, or if they have more yoga in them, I'll say the Shishumanani, I'll say the, you know, there's different, different language for,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for this pathway that we have in our system, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And often, when you speak about it in your book, you talk about if your essence is not in that channel, then other things can come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And influence you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a, you know, it feeds into why I don't use the word channeling because in my experience, and I think it's evolved to be honest over the past probably 10 to 15 years, but very early on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have found myself in the room of people who are channeling, I don't know what, and it doesn't feel clean, and they don't know exactly what it is themselves, and that is an effect for people in the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we will get that transmission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If something has taken a hold or has power over someone, the people on the receiving end
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to use the word sort of a toxic experience with it and so I kind of became a little bit of a stickler around this and it's why I stopped using the word channel or never really resonated for me to use the word channeling because of the connotation you mentioned, people are
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[SPEAKER_00]: My approach to it is that we have a self, and I never want to promote or be in the place in the position of feeling that
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't have a self in relation to a higher frequency or like, you know, higher frequency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, another way to say this is our guides do not want to inhabit our body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to take over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will, you know, come close if we need a little support.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they'll step out if we need to stew in our own pasta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, they don't have issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't
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[SPEAKER_00]: There isn't this, I don't want to recreate a patriarchal dynamic with spirit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happens sometimes with channeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we feel that it or that or what knows more about us than we do and that's just another projection of the patriarchy on the spiritual realm and that's not
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[SPEAKER_00]: it doesn't help us evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't help us embody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't help us live in our, you know, to live in our, in our power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't live in power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are here to be human.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to have a human experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to have that insight and support and co creation with higher levels of who we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but to be in the driver's seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of way more in a nutshell, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're trying lightly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot out there right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there will continue to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I use the word discernment a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: do you have discernment around spiritual growth and a grounded embodied practical perspective?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's also a trauma informed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, how do you have all of those at the same time as you continue to grow because people are ready to grow it's time, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as it's taken hold, we're entering into a new era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, how many years ago, 30 years ago, you started this, but now if you pull up the internet, it's everywhere, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do people discern what's authentic and real and safe with, you know, just continuing to have experiences, but not have it be in the best interest of your own body and physical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you're also naming that, you know, how, how do we continue to grow?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been thinking about this for myself is like, gosh, Wendy, are you, are you so discerning that you're limiting yourself from expanding and growing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do have a lot of awareness of this myself talking about awareness in a body, you know, history, you know, you've
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[SPEAKER_00]: at what point is it that more opening does need to happen and that and and one of the you know when I teach my training program I don't go to upper chakra work at all until we know how to be in the lower body but sometimes we can hang down there in the lower body and continue to keep healing and healing and healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we need this too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is this interesting evaluation and balance between kind of upper chakra and lower chakra.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is part of why I moved out of the world of semantics because I think they kept us there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yet I was having these very expanded experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I went, wait a minute, there's more and there's more
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we do need them, but yeah, we don't want to get stuck, we want to start inviting more in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in your books, let's kind of wrap things up with where to start with your books because there are three three books, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where might be a good place out of those three if someone were to choose one of them and then we can talk about your program and what you offer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wish I could say they move in an order like a progression, but they are a more like what someone might be intuitively drawn to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Chakra book first of all was written like 20 years ago, or maybe I don't know, 17 years ago, it's actually out of print.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you can get it in a PDF off my website and I say I think because I have to
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[SPEAKER_00]: check and make sure we still have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look on Amazon, it looks like it's, you know, significantly priced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not where you want to get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to my website, WendyDeroce.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we have it in a digital format.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then my other books, expanding your heart,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a journey on understanding how the heart, it's kind of the experience I was explaining where the heart expands, but then we have this scaffolding so to speak around it that has been part of our conditioning and programming that somewhat kind of cracks when we go through certain stages of transition and growth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that heart cracking can be a spiritual opening, but sometimes it looks like a divorce or it looks like the birth of a child or it looks like a major move for some life change that cracks us open and then it moves us into this next stages which are chaos and then healing and then contemplative being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what that book is about and then the next book becoming an empowered empath is whether you identify as an empath or not, or managing energy, that book benefits anybody who is feeling that they are sensitive to the energetic experience of life and the world around them and how to sort of understand what's going on and develop strong skills and boundaries around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and with the state and the world as it is, I think it is a must, and you need to have this book in your bookshelf if you're sensitive, so thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and and your programs, maybe we can end with that and where people can find you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you have your own YouTube channels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the ways that you teach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So on the free level YouTube podcast, you can find Wendy Dero's sessions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to my YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot of content there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when it comes to my offerings, I have a membership, and that's where I show up live every month and facilitate a deep guided healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that kind of facilitating guidance experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That happens every month and that's live and then there's recordings and there's a big library of guided healings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and teachings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then my major training program is called the Energy Healing and Intuition Training and that is a year-long journey and then there's a second year if people are interested in learning to become certified as an intuitive energy healer and it is incredibly transformational
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[SPEAKER_01]: on the ground app.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So very grounded, practical, integrative, and thoughtful, and I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure my community will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, as I said, there's so many different options and programs, and so trying to find the ones that are kind of bringing everything together in a lovely,
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[SPEAKER_01]: way that allows, because we understand neuroscience, because we understand psychology, because we understand subtle energy that can navigate all of those domains, so we're not leaving anything out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciate that M.M.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glad that we've reconnected, so we could talk about it and share and bring your book to life in my program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for spending the time with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Paula.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for sharing my work and for your gifts, for bringing your throat chakra essence to the world, channeling your messages into the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Neuety, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see, yeah, it's going to be an interesting year ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for being a part of the transformative harmonics community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This helps more people discover these conversations around sound, embodiment, consciousness, and healing to explore this work more deeply, visit transformativehermonics.com, where you can learn more about the wisdom school and our membership community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The wisdom school brings together modern science, ancient wisdom, and embodied practices to support personal transformation and spiritual growth through the body, nervous system, and the relational pathways that influence how we connect to ourselves, each other, and the world around us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Until next time, take good care and thank you for being part of the Transformative Hermonics community.
