Time Pals Interview w/Creators of Waffle and Cohen (Brian Hess and Steve Romanko)

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Hey files, today we've got a pretty great creative combination on the show.
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These guys come from very different sides of the entertainment world, but somehow ended up on the same creative adventure.
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First up, we have Brian Hess, who can be found across the internet as Hest Tunes.
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He is an artist, illustrator, comic creator, character designer, teacher, and guy who apparently decided that having one creative career was not enough.
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And joining him is Steve, and you know what I meant to ask this before we started, but is it Romenko or Romaco?
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Romanko, you hit it the first time.
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Oh, okay.
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Awesome, awesome.
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I thought so, but figured good to check.
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So and joining him is Steve Romenko, a veteran sound engineer, sound designer, filmmaker, producer, and educator whose career has taken him through some pretty legendary rooms in the film and entertainment industry, including Skywalker Sound.
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Steve, like Brian, is also someone who clearly knows that you can never have enough jobs in order to afford to live in the Bay Area.
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So we've got the guy who makes you see the story, we've got the guy who makes you hear the story, and somewhere along the way, these two decided, hey, we should probably put these things together.
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So today we're going to find out where their individual journey started, how they crossed paths, and what made them decide to collaborate, and what happens when two very different creative worlds collide.
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Brian and Steve, welcome to the show.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having us.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for thanks for being on.
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It's fun.
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I've been looking forward to it ever since Brian and I started talking about it over lunch.
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Yeah, it's funny when when you hit me up, I was like, yes, this.
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And I'd been listening to the podcast for a while, and I was like, this would be a fun fit, especially for Steve and I.
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Because we just sit around and talk shit all day anyway.
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So yeah, it's pretty much our life.
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Yeah.
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Now we have a recording of said shit being talked.
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That is how this show got started.
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It's just a bunch of old dads going, I remember when we were cool.
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Like, you know what?
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Fuck it.
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Why don't we record that too?
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I don't remember being cool, but I remember being cool, man.
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The nice thing is you can just lie.
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There's nothing about this microphone that makes you tell the truth at all.
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Steve was cool.
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Steve was a cool guy when he was when he was in high school adult.
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Yeah.
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Uh I don't know about that.
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I don't know about being cool, but I did a close approximation maybe in my early 20s.
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The pictures say otherwise.
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You looked cool.
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You looked like you were a rad dude in the 80s.
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And and and isn't that isn't that what it is?
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It's its appearances.
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You just got to put on that air of being being a rad dude.
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It's hard to be a cool dude when you like comic books and ska.
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You know what I mean?
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So the combination of the two is not great.
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And it's it's I think it's the ska that's like the nail in the coffin on that.
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It could come back someday.
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I mean, Marvel has a universe now.
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You might get the godverse.
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You never know.
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I did see the Mighty Boss Tones at Slim's a million years ago, and it was it was amazing.
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It basically changed my entire world.
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And then I went, This music's incredible.
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This will never die.
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And I don't think I've ever seen them live again.
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Yeah, I've I've I've seen them 45 times.
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They're my favorite.
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No way.
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I I have Boss Tones tattooed.
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Yeah.
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You coincidentally hit on the nail on the head right there.
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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So real quick aside, I went on a whim with one of my buddies who's a the big German guy.
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All he does is listen to like Death Metal, right?
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But he loves the Boston.
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So I went.
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Yeah.
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And Slim's this tiny place.
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Yeah.
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And we do the whole thing and it's amazing.
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I'm like, this is the funnest band I've ever seen.
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And then they would take requests from the audience.
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So the Bostones have a killer enter salmon cover.
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You know it.
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It's super fast.
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It's great.
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I was at this show, by the way.
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I remember this show.
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Oh, you remember this?
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So so they they ask somebody what's your favorite band?
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And this motherfucker screams at the top of his lungs, Limp Biscuit.
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And fucking I remember that actually.
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Stopped, and everybody went, Oh, we don't do Limp Biscuit.
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And they just went off into a different thing.
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And I'm like, motherfucker, you're in San Francisco.
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Just say Metallica.
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Just say Metallica.
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And then their neurons will fire.
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And they'll be like, oh yeah, Dickie's going to think to himself, Enter Sandman.
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And he'll play the greatest cover of Enterstandman I've heard in my life.
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It is pretty good.
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But anyway, all right, no more Scott talk.
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Sorry.
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No, no, no, it's fine.
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Here on Scott Chat.
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I introduced Steven and no, just kidding.
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Go ahead.
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My wife's gonna love this podcast.
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All right.
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Well so we'll dive into the questions.
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You've both obviously worked on very different kinds of projects throughout the year.
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Brian, you focused more on art, illustration, character design, Steve, you know, audio, film, and sound.
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For each of you, was there a particular moment where you realized this is what I want to do?
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Wow.
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Yeah, I I think for me it was music at the beginning, just listening to music.
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If you can't be a if you can't be a musician and a rock star, be a DJ.
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It's a lot easier.
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And when I was a when I was a kid though, I was very much into TV.
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I love television.
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I'm television obsessed.
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I still am.
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And I am an original Star Wars kid.
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So that first film that I went to see with my parents um begging them to go see this movie called Star Wars and stood in line around the giant cineplex and went in and I think it was completely crowded with people.
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Do you remember when?
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Do you remember when you could go to the movies and this it was this social gathering with this din in the room of everybody just kind of chattering?
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It was a great experience.
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I missed those days of cinema.
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But that scroll goes by and the extended shot of the Star Destroyer and it just like hit me like a brick in the head.
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Little eight-year-old Steve.
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And I was just blown away by how huge it was.
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You know, unbeknownst to me, something clicked where I was like, I wanna, I wanna tell stories.
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I want to tell stories like that.
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That's probably the origin, original part of my my wanting to to to be in this stupid business.
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My uh my mom and dad, they they love movies.
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My mom would just take me to movies, you know what I mean, like all the time.
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But I remember specifically like Jurassic Park.
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Uh do you guys remember the Dome Theater in Pleasant Hill?
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Absolutely.
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Century Fut.
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Yes.
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So uh Jurassic Park played in that theater for over a year.
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You guys remember that?
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Really?
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No, I didn't know that.
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So it did.
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It played in there for over a year in the in the main theater.
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And on Sundays or Saturday, Saturday, Saturday or Sunday, it's probably Sundays, but they would do like Dollar or something movie day or something, and they were just showing Jurassic Park.
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My little brother and I, Bobby, we saw that movie probably 30 times.
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You know what I mean?
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We would just go back and see it every flipping weekend or every chance we could get.
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I swear to God, we saw it like 30 times, or at least it felt like it, you know.
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But but you know, just just drawing, you know, I talk about comics all the time, but more like movies are like Back to the Future, you know, Star Wars.
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Like Steve talked about seeing Star Wars.
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Like I remember seeing episode one in high school down to the festival cinemas downtown and stood in line and like waited like idiots.
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I know you work.
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Did you work on that one, Steve?
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay, yeah.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So we all waited.
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I don't know, John, if you and Brady or somebody went down there and did that, but me and I I feel like my dad did actually take me and Brady down to see it.
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Because I distinctly remember have this memory of I think there was like two early elementary school kids in the row behind us, and they were like hyped up.
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Like it was like a tiny mosh kit behind me.
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They're bumping into my chair and stuff.
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And on one hand, I'm just like, I'm gonna fucking turn that.
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The other hand, I'm like, Star Wars.
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It was so much.
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That was like the that was like the first like time, you know.
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We went to the dome and saw Jurassic Park and Demolition Man and all these other movies, and saw Broken Arrow on the big screen and you know, Die Hard and all that.
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Die Hard 2.
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I remember seeing Die Hard 2 there.
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But you know, just just I just love movies.
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I love them so much.
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You know, I don't care what the genre is.
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And that so just the love of movies kind of fueled me in comics and you know, video games and all that fun stuff.
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See, I'm I'm from the e space, so that Century 5 theater was the theater.
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Like everybody from where I was at, that's where you went until they built all these like giant multiplexes.
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Yeah, we all went there.
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It was like it was almost like a social gathering.
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You got to see your friends and stuff from everywhere.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Even when the Brendan Theater opened up, I didn't care.
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I wanted to keep going to the dome.
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Yeah, I didn't care.
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The last movie I saw there was The Town.
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Oh, get out of here.
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Yeah, that was the last movie that I remember seeing there.
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Yeah.
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Did you ever go out there, Steve?
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Did you ever see it?
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No, not in the least.
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It was like pitch black in that theater.
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You couldn't see anything.
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You couldn't see your hands in front of you, how dark it got in a good way.
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The movie was just huge.
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Anyway, I'm talking way too much about this theater.
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It was it was huge.
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It was fun.
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It was great.
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It was it was a huge thing for us, you know.
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Like I was always hyped when we got to go there versus that piddly one downtown, you know.
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Yeah, the festival cinema sucked.
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It fucking sucked.
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It was horrible.
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You have the dome, this fucking massive landmark that you can see from like a mile, two miles away, any direction in 680.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, it was it was I miss it every day.
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Every day I want to go see a movie, I miss that theater.
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Just want to burn down that gym.
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I mean, what?
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No, that was it, Dick Sporting Goods movie.
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No, Dicks is there.
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Yeah, fuck Dix.
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Get out of there, Dicks.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So before you were doing the professional work that people know you for now, what were some of the early jobs, projects, or even like mentors and experiences that helped shape your individual careers?
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Go for it, Steve.
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Man, I during college, first off, um, no, I'll say high school, I had I had a great art teacher.
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Great art teacher.
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Because I was going to do illustration and oil painting.
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That was gonna be my that was gonna be my track in college at first.
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Wow.
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I uh I had a great art teacher who allowed me to take more art classes than I was supposed to in high school.
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He also introduced me to Monty Python and he introduced me to the Who.
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I mean, he was really cool.
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John Kozick was his name.
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He was a really and he was also, he was not only the art teacher, but he was the head of the astronomy club.
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It was it was crazy nerds, which is awesome.
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Uh and then in college, uh I had a professor because cause I went I went from being an art major where I flunked out.
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Not because of the art, but because I was 17 at Penn State Main campus, and that was way too fun.
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But when I went back to school after some very interesting jobs, like working in a chicken processing plant and being a ski bum for an entire winter, which was fun.
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I uh I went to Marywood University in Scranton, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Uh I had a great, uh a really, really great professor, Steve Beck.
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And he was only a couple of years older than me.
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Maybe he was I think I was 20 and he was like maybe 31, maybe 28, something like that.
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But he really inspired me to do really great storytelling with at that time I was doing audio um because I got into the college radio station.
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And that's where I learned how to record, and that's where I learned how to edit on quarter-inch tape, which was a lot of fun.
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Razor blades and scotch tape.
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Awesome.
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And he wanted to start a film program there, and he I took one of his classes that was a survey class, watch films, talk about films.
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If you you may have taken something like that, and he showed a bunch of films, and again, I had that sort of flashback to when I was eight watching Star Wars, going, I can do this.
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I don't know how to do this, I don't know the mechanisms to do this, but I want to do it.
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So I was I was doing radio uh professionally, broadcaster professionally, and decided I wanted to make movies and moved out to California.
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And out here, before I got hired at Lucasfilm, I did a short stint.
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I worked at Tower Records as a store artist.
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Um but I also um got a job part-time on the weekends at K Fog KNBR, and I was kind of training to be like a a major replacement DJ.
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Like if somebody was sick or on vacation, I was gonna be like a a full-time part-timer, you know.
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But I got the gig at Lucasfilm and I was like, radio movies, movies.
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Anyway, that's how I got to there.
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For me, it was kind of more like uh I've been drawing I I don't remember a time when I wasn't drawing, you know.
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And then like like my parents, I didn't I didn't realize, you know, my parents were so supportive when I was a kid that I really didn't know that parents weren't supportive of of of what you wanted to do, that kind of thing, you know.
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But drawing, drawing comics, you know, as it at a young age.
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Uh John Hastings, uh he I I took this like uh I don't know if you ever went to you guys ever went to like summer school.
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I went to summer school at one at WCI and uh they had this cartooning class and uh this guy named John Bean Hastings taught it, and he actually helped write the episode that we're talking about, the one that's coming out.
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He gave us kind of this like the kernel of the idea for it.
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But no, I reconnected with him and you know I've kind of stayed in touch with him, but I saw his full-sized comic pages, the 11 by 17 pages, and those blew my mind as a kid.
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I saw the ink on the paper, I saw the pencils, I saw the whiteout, I saw the, you know, the uh what do you call it, the um that does the half tone, the zippetone.
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You know, I saw that stuff on it, and I it just blew me away.
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And I wanted to draw comics ever since I saw those pages in person.
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Going to college for it, you know, I I did a little tiny, tiny thrasher skate rock campaign.
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I did the cover of the CD.
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They used to do these compilations every year called Skate Rock, and I I think I have Skate Rock volume 12.
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I did the cover for that.
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That was my first professional work.
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Um, and then I started doing storyboarding, you know, for all this stuff that never came to be.
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Um, and so I kind of learned on the fly.
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But after I went to school, I started working in gaming.
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Um, I I kept drawing comics and um eventually I became an art director, you know, and so that's kind of where this all came.
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And that's where I met Steve.
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You know, we met uh working uh in San Francisco teaching, and uh we just started making stuff, you know what I mean?
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We just started hooking up and saying, hey, like what what can we do today to make you know a project?
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And so we would pick a project and see where we could collaborate and start working on stuff.
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I think the great part about meeting Brian was just, you know, it wasn't it wasn't necessarily, hey, how can we work on each other's stuff right away?
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It was just we were just cool with each other.
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Yeah.
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And it's it's nice to it's nice to get involved with people you like.
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I say my my main motivation, especially over the last maybe dozen years, is that I just want to make cool stuff with my friends.
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Awesome.
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Um And here we are talking about it.
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Here we are.
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We're making cool stuff with our friends.
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So one one question I kind of added in at the last second.
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Um this one is more specifically for you, Steve, because I play a lot of video games.
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And so aside from the fact that I saw Final Fantasy credited on your your work, like which is just like not only was it Final Fantasy, but it was my favorite Final Fantasy.
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On April 23rd, 2001, you are credited as a writer on what I assume is your Magnum opus.
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And that was the day that Rumble Racing released on the PlayStation 2.
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And I assume you've been chasing the dragon ever since.
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Yeah, we've been fucking around for 30 minutes now.
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Let's get to rumble racing.
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Uh enough of this shit.
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I had a I had a I have a I have a friend who was a producer at Electronic Arts.
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And he was in charge, he was he was in charge of producing rumble racing.
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We were just sitting around having beers and he's like, hey, I gotta I gotta I gotta get some lines for I can't remember what it was.
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I don't remember what I wrote.
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I wrote dialogue for a couple of characters, and I had a copy of Rumble Racing when it came out.
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I I got paid like a day rate for one day.
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And I can't I can't tell you what I wrote for that game.
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That's like something you would do over ringers.
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It'd be like, I've got this drift racing game.
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Fucking tell me some shit.
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Do they talk?
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Yeah, no, who cares?
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Just give me 30 bucks and I'll just make it say whatever you want.
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Oh that's amazing.
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It's it's legitimately though.
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It it is a fun fucking game.
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It's it is a legitimately fun game.
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It was a I that went away.
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That game, that game went away when my PlayStation 2 went away.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I've never even learned this game.
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It's basically it's kind of like what if Gran Turismo was Mario Kart?
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Like the cars are real, cars are looking like real cars, but you pick up power-ups, you drift, you do this and that.
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So it's kind of like this fusion.
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I I had to look it up myself because I'd never heard of it until John mentioned it.
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And apparently it's a sequel to something called NASCAR Rumble.
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So it's like it's a it's uh the most prestigious one out of that line of NASCAR Rumble character.
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I love this.
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This is amazing.
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I've never heard about this.
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So this is great.
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I I mean, we could we could take us down the stroke, but I do also want to make sure we talk about Waffle and Cohen.
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So the easiest question to start with regarding Waffle and Cohen is who wakes up one day and thinks, hey, you know what San Francisco really needs?
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A waffle detective.
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So um I don't know where I'd put it.
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It doesn't matter.
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I'll send you guys the image if you want, but I drew a picture of a waffle with a tie on, and he was holding uh and he was holding a cup and he was standing next to and it was not a good drawing, and it was like four years ago.
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And uh Steve and I were hanging out and I said, Hey, look at this.
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And he goes, Yeah, we'll do something with that one day.
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And uh, you know, we talked about doing these Sunday strip type things.
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Um I actually posted a version of what it would have been, but that's what the first two shorts were built off of.
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They were built off of just a gag, a single gag uh that was supposed to be a Sunday strip.
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And so the episode one and two, we have like a uh we have like a version of it that slams both of them together, kind of you know, like intro to Mr.
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Waffle.
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I'll bring them out again, why not?
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There's Waffle.
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This is made by Jess Tomasello.
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She she sculpted that and set it out anyway.
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No, but it started out as just a drawing, and then Steve and I were gonna make comics, and they were gonna go back in this kind of treasury thing, and then I I really don't remember which one of us suggested that we animate it.
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Um I I think we just kind of came to that conclusion that it was natural if we wanted to do comic strips, not comic books, that we could easily do some comic strips in a limited animated style.
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I remember seeing the waffle drawing and kind of made it up in my head right then and there that he was a cop and that everybody around him was gonna be human.
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I have an earlier I have an earlier uh uh concept that never came to fruition called He's a Gorilla.
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Um, and it was gonna be uh it's gonna be a live action, live action family situation comedy with a guy in a gorilla suit and he's just a white-collar dad, and nobody, nobody treats him like a gorilla.
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And I was like, nobody treats this guy like a waffle.
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They all just like kind of recognize him as a sergeant.
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Oh yeah, that was that was the first drawing.
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They don't look anything like that.
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This is horrible, by the way.
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But that was the first drawing that I did.
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Yeah.
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And I said, I know his uh really bad.
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Really bad.
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His partner's a rookie, and this is his first assignment is to be partnered with this waffle.
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I do remember that you came up with the name Cohen.
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But yeah, and so you know, I went to school for animation for college, and so I I've done animation limited stuff in the games that I worked on at Zynga and Tiny Co.
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and that kind of stuff.
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A lot of Facebook animation stuff, you know, that I'm not proud of, but you know, I hadn't really done any character animation.
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I wouldn't really call this character animation.
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This is like limited animation that's just for gags, you know what I mean?
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That kind of thing.
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You know, but this new three-parter that we're working on is really pushing the limitations of what we thought we had, and we're doing some really fun stuff, actually.
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I think it's really fun.
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And I think it is kind of fun that it's kind of janky and at least I'm I'm really hard on myself about it.
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You know what I mean?
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But yeah.
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We figured if we could do we figured if we could pull off 30 seconds, we could pull off four minutes.
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Yeah.
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And now we're pushing it to the first one.
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That's what I said on my honeymoon, man.
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Yeah.
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We're pushing it to 15, 20 minutes for the Oh wow.
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Yeah.
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That's gonna be that's gonna be really I don't know what it's gonna end up being, but uh it's gotta be close to 15 minutes, you know.
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Uh the the first part is four and a half.
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Yeah.
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So the next part's gotta be around the same.
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It's it's got more in it.
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But uh yeah, I don't know.
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What do you guys think of it so far?
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I I I like it.
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I think it's fun.
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And I mean, just no, you know, you and I have talked animation and stuff over the years and just like the weird stuff that we like.
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And you know, it's it's it's in line with that.
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It's uh familiar because just this thing, you know, the idea of the buddy cop type thing, and then you know, the uh I'm I'm two I'm two weeks away from retirement, and then you know, you get this why this wide-eyed rookie with you, or this happy go lucky character.
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Um but then also it's uh it's cool that it's in, you know, it's local, it's in San Francisco, so it's something that You know, I know.
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And it's just goofy, weird, fun.
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It's well, you know, and just like piggyback off that, um, one, I'm disappointed there aren't more shows in San Francisco because I forget well for real, like everything is New York, LA, and then you see bridges.
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Honestly, yes.
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And monk.
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Bring back monk.
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Monk, yes, and monk.
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Yeah.
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Even though they shot it in Vancouver.
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I was gonna say the same thing, and I don't want to spoil it for you, but it's however, however, uh, I will say this.
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One and we mentioned it off camera, but one of the things I liked about watching the uh the basically the draft of it is it takes me back to when adult swim was really exciting.
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So I was a big fan of Asie McGee, of 12 Ounce Mouse, of Xavier Renegade Angel.
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All these shows were you you're you're all in, they feel like a fever dream if you try to tell it to somebody else.
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But if you and your friends sat there on some random Saturday night and you all watched it, it became religious viewing, especially when I was in college.
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So it has that same feel.
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There's also a little bit of that old school flash kind of vibe to it back when like new rounds was a thing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And it it's it's just like John was saying, the familiar parts of it are wonderfully familiar.
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And it's got a great background of hey, there's a whole San Francisco to play with that never gets played with anymore.
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Right.
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I I love that I love that the backdrop of our city can really be formed into any story.
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You know, I the whole thing is just me, it's me exercising my love of 70s television, especially 70s cop shows and 70s sitcoms.
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Because in my head, you know, I'm writing Barney Miller, and I know that it's uh it's it's got that sense of absurdism that I really love.
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No, no, it's I was just gonna say we have so many people, like the first two things that we did, the little short things, like it was just me, Steve, and Robert, you know, like like trying to make this happen.
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You know, this new one, we're we're really pushing it.
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We Jay Maddox came in, uh, he's a buddy.
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He he he did a theme song.
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We have an actual theme song that was composed.
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Um, our friend uh Travis Kindred came in and did the bass on it.
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We have Bailey Hopkins, she's coming in, she's playing Mayor Carlotta Downs um, you know, in this episode.
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I play a character called Lance Driver.
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Uh he's basically like a shitty Tom Cruise kind of character.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um, you know, Steve plays Waffle, obviously, you know what I mean?
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Um and every pigeon.
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And every pigeon, that's correct.
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Oh, you're the hero pigeon.
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You're gonna have to be gonna start looking like Alan Tudic soon, or it's like pigeon in this, chicken in this video.
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No, but you know, I really Turner is yeah, Turner Van Ren is Steve's best friend.
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I love his voice acting as Colin.
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Um, it's just so stupid and silly, and he's so he plays it so straight and stupid.
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Uh, I just absolutely love his line delivery, and there's some stuff that he did in this episode that you guys saw, and it's just it's so stupid.
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And it it wouldn't be that way if if Turner and Steve and all these parts didn't fall together and and help out.
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Right.
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Um Turner and Turner and Brian and I have worked on a number of concepts together, and the dynamic between us is uh it's really strong.
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Turner, you know, Turner and I with 13th generation productions, that side of my creative life, uh, you know, I I always say that I'm just a storyteller who just happened to fall into audio because I thought I found it easy when I was doing it.
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It was never something I had to actually like think about.
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You know, in in the the production company, I'm a writer and a producer.
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I the audio for me is secondary in terms of uh uh the creative output that I have.
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It's it's a it's a skill you've picked up along the way that is very useful.
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You know, it's a bread and butter skill.
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Turner, though, Turner he's mainly just voicing Cohen here, but I I do want to talk about him just for a second.
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His vision, his editing, his his just methods of how he throws stuff together, he can picture something in his head.
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And uh, you know, I want to try to get him to do something for this that's more than just Cohen.
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I know Cohen Cohen is fine.
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If we only get him for Cohen, that's fine, but having him help Steve write an episode one at some point would be great.
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I gotta step away for 15 seconds, my dog.
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Okay.
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Well, I'll beat him.
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No problem.
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I'll be right back.
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We can put a pin in and well now that he's gone.
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What do you really think about him?
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Well, you know, he his hair.
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So I'll tell you, yeah, you can leave this in if you want.
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So at one point, he was growing this giant beard.
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And it was like right after COVID, he had this giant beard, and you see how his hair is like really long.
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I wanted him to grow his hair long enough in his beard so he could comb it into it.
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Oh, no way.
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And so uh his wife, I love her.
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Um, she was like, No, you need to cut that.
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And so she stopped it.
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He was like a week away from being able to do it.
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You know what I mean?
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But like with that setup though, that's the perfect like wake up and what year is it?
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Honestly, I think we all did try goofy stuff during COVID for with facial hair.
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Yeah, it was his beard was epic though.
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It was like it was like down to ear, and his hair was down to ear, and it was just he looked like Father Tyle.
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Um, in terms of like if you've if if somebody's never heard of this show before and you're trying to sell it to them, pitch it to him for the first time, hey, you have to see my Waffle and Cohen show.
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How would you tell them in like a paragraph, this is what my show's about?
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Steve, go for it.
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The adventure of uh batterbread and his rookie partner.
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Um I don't know.
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Let's see, you can't roller coastering, roller coastering your way around San Francisco.
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Now, now, just you know, talking about the characters, um Waffle, is he is he more rooted in in you know, an American waffle or a Belgian waffle?
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He's you know, the Belgian waffle has larger squares.
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Yes, he's very much a Belgian waffle.
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That is an Italian waffle I've ever seen one.
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Well, Mike is not that much.
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This might be this is actually kind of Belgian if you look at it.
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It is very Belgian.
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Pretty big squares there, man.
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Yeah, pretty thick.
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Yeah, she's thick over here, right?
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So So when I when I voice Waffle, I always I always I always think of my dad.
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My dad is my dad's kind of a quiet, gruff guy, and I I exaggerate when he's disappointed in me.
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.960
So and that's kind of who Waffle is.
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.119
He's just kind of that guy, you know.
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Stop doing that.
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:09.759
What are you doing over there?
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:20.160
The crazy thing is when I'm animating, I don't know if you guys know the process of animating, but when you're doing phonemes and stuff, you have to listen to the lines probably hundreds of times.
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:26.160
So when I'm scrubbing, like doing the mouth movements and stuff for uh for Waffle, uh, it is fun.
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.519
It is fun, you know.
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.440
And so uh, you know, you're giving me the creeps, you know, like that line.
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:36.000
I think I heard that probably 14, 15 times before I finished that part of it.
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:42.480
But man, it's it's it he makes me laugh every time I hear a new line from from Waffle, especially.
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:43.440
So it's great.
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:48.160
It's it must be such a blast to do to do the lines and and voice acting for it.
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:48.799
It's fun.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.880
Oh, you should hear the raw recordings.
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.559
Oh, they're great.
00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:03.759
I'm actually producing like a making of for this big episode, so we'll have like a maybe a five or six minute making of episode of just us talking about making it and stuff.
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.359
But yeah, it's cool.
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:06.400
That'd be a lot of fun.
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.359
I uh behind the scenes stuff is is great, and uh, it's especially when it comes to animation and voice actors.
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:17.200
Like uh what was it a couple years back they came out with that uh I know that voice like mini documentary?
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:23.920
Yeah, and like just seeing that kind of stuff is it's always a blast to me with with with these types of shows.
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:36.960
Yeah, when we get when Stern uh when Sterner, that's your guys' like couple name, when Turner and Steve get together, um they're they're just silly and it's just it's just bananas absurd, it's fun.
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:37.519
All right.
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:43.279
So so talking about the characters, so let's talk about the dynamic between Waffle and Cohen.
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So what makes these two detectives work well as a team?
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And have you, you know, or it's early on, and you obviously have a vision, but have you assigned, like, is Waffle the straight man, the troublemaker?
00:30:55.119 --> 00:31:00.799
Like, do you have an idea in your head of any kind of tropes you're applying to the specific characters?
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:13.759
When when uh when when the script is written and it's 95% um myself and my friend Robert Binion who were doing the screenwriting.
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:15.200
Richard Binion.
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.160
That's an inside joke.
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.200
Sorry.
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Keep going.
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:23.680
I'm so sorry.
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:24.799
That's all right.
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:32.880
And uh uh we have a you know, we have we write it, we read it back, and we try to figure out, we really try to figure out the character.
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:39.759
Believe it or not, as absurd and stupid as it is, you gotta kind of figure out that dynamic.
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:47.599
I think that as gruff as Waffle is, he really does have an affection for this this rookie, this guy.
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:59.200
And Cohen is Cohen, it's like it's it's like he wants to be kind of a nanny at at times, uh, but he has kind of a little bit of hero worship for Waffle as well.
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:04.960
Not to not to um not to give away anything, but you just did, it's fine.
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:05.920
What?
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:14.880
No, not to give away anything, but like uh uh Cohen is the kind of guy who's got lots of pictures of Waffle on his phone.
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:20.720
He's like too just too many, just a few too many to make it weird.
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.119
Yeah.
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:31.920
You know what was fun about um when we did the first few episodes, um, the shorts, I guess, um finding Cohen's voice when we were going through the audio.
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:39.839
It was fun like picking out the lines and and trying to mold the character with those first like voiceover sessions.
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:47.039
Um, you know, and and having him be more innocent and more he's not a tryhard, but he's trying really hard to impress Waffle.
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:47.759
You know what I mean?
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:53.759
And it's so I feel so stupid breaking this down, but but we we want it to feel like real.
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:56.000
We want it to feel like there's a connection here.
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And I think, you know, even though it is absurd, taking this part seriously is is fun too.
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:02.000
I mean, absolutely.
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:16.720
Yeah, it's you know, regardless of how out there the characters or the concept or setting, whatever it is, you still want the characters themselves to relate to each other and be relatable to the people watching what you're putting out there.
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:18.720
So that makes a lot of sense.
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:23.440
And then sometimes we look at each other and go, we're talking about an anthropomorphic waffle.
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:30.480
My son keeps trying to talk me into us adding a pancake character who's a rival of waffle.
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.799
And uh I told him I said, There's only one anthropomorphic waffle in this universe.
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There's no other pancake.
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So we gotta stick to our world rules.
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:39.279
Yeah.
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:40.880
I was gonna say you don't want to be a good one.
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:48.799
No, no, like no getting in this world, one waffle.
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:55.279
He I did promise, I did promise him that he could play uh a character in the Christmas special when we get to that.
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:55.759
Nice.
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:56.480
Yeah it's amazing.
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:05.200
Okay, so there's no there's no like snooty French detective from Interpol that's like a croissant or uh or a piece of French toast or something.
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:06.640
Maybe you know what?
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:07.680
Here, I'll say this.
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:15.679
Uh, in in the lore, maybe there is one anthropomorphic breakfast or you know, pay pastry on each continent.
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.159
There we go.
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We'll leave it like that.
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:17.920
Oh, okay.
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:19.039
We'll leave it like that.
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:19.519
Great.
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.239
He comes from Interpol and he's a croissant.
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:22.719
Yeah.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.199
Well, the German has to be the pretzel, right?
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:25.599
Yeah.
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.960
Well, now, John, we got to give you credit for that Interpol croissant thing.
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:29.679
So there we go.
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.159
I'll take it.
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:42.320
Um the other there was a little like a little part I didn't ask on that last question, which was um, is there anything aside from just being an anthropomorphic waffle, any thoughts?
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.119
Like, is there any idea of like, does he have like any powers?
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:53.039
Is there anything special about the that that comes with the fact that he is a waffle, or is it just he is a waffle beginning and end of sentence?
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.000
He's he's thoroughly, thoroughly just a waffle.
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:56.400
Okay.
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.119
Um he's a normal everyday.
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I'm just asking.
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I'm trying to see what's going on.
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.880
He's the best goddamn sergeant in San Francisco.
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That's right.
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:09.199
Hell yeah.
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.079
I think it's funnier that he's just a guy who's just a waffle.
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.000
He's just a guy who's just an old waffle.
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.320
Yeah, he's just an old guy who doesn't want to do the job anymore, but he's good at it.
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:21.199
Yeah.
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:22.079
Yeah.
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:29.199
Um what's been the most unexpectedly fun part about working on this project and and bringing it to life?
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:45.360
Really, I think I think realizing that we're actually realizing that we're actually heading up an entire production right now, um, flying by the seat of our pants is more fun than I thought it would be.
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:46.159
It really is.
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.719
Because we just we don't have anything we don't have anything calendared.
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.280
We're not allowing that to take over.
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.559
The process is the process, if that makes any sense.
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:57.840
And I think that's fun.
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.000
I just like making stuff is fun.
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:01.679
The journey is fun.
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:13.840
I I have a very good friend who says, you know, maybe you didn't get the money to make the movie, maybe, you know, the the contract didn't come through to make the series, but you made those things.
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.559
They're tangible, they they live somewhere.
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:23.119
And the fun in that is like the most fun in that is just hanging out with my friends.
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:24.000
It really is.
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:34.880
I, you know, I'm glad that we're making something because we could just be hanging out and and drinking beer and and and you know, telling goofy shit to each other.
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:40.639
But we get to do that and have something at the end where we can show people all the goofy shit that we talk about.
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.480
And we don't remember talking about it.
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:42.960
Yeah.
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.840
And that's why they that's why you're documenting it with still.
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:48.719
That's right.
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:57.599
I get up at like four or four thirty in the morning sometimes so I can animate for a few hours before I even go to my day job.
00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:58.320
You know what I mean?
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.280
And then on the weekends, sometimes I do the same thing.
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.599
You know, it took me like three weeks to animate the episode that's coming out.
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.159
The the Hero of the City Needs Part One.
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.840
We haven't even said the name of that yet.
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:10.559
You know what I mean?
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:23.920
But um, you know, this this episode took probably two months to make, you know, all in all, you know, barring like the vacation we took in the middle of uh the start of it, you know, we each kind of went away for a week.
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:30.400
Um, you know, but I draw all I draw everything on the iPad, and then it's all animated in the computer.
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:38.559
I'm you know, I'm even talking to a friend who who's trying to help me figure out how to do the animation faster and that kind of stuff.
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:39.360
It's named Caesar.
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:45.760
Um and so we're we're slowly building like a team to build this thing.
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:46.559
You know what I mean?
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:50.159
So it started out as just the two of us and it's slowly building out.
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:51.679
I think that's what I like about it the most.
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.119
It's unexpected.
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:53.360
Yeah.
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.639
Yeah, the the the refining of the process is fun.
00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:02.400
The producer in me likes making sure that the organization is there and that it's working.
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:10.800
And we're kind of in a groove now where it's like, okay, this day Brian and I have a story meeting and we kind of line it out.
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.320
We do it, we usually do it on three by five cards.
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:21.920
Um and then I will take a pass with Robert during the screenwriting.
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:39.039
During the week, I have a weekly, twice weekly with Turner, where we're working on other projects, but Turner's here, and I throw ideas at him about this and Cohen, and you know, we'll start kind of working on some of those, some of those inner interactions between the characters.
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.679
Then we do a recording day once the script is solidified by all of us.
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.719
Meanwhile, Brian is like cranking shit out.
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.320
I have never met a I have never met a faster, better illustrator.
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.199
Brian is, you know, there's it's legendary how fast Moibius was.
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.000
Brian's fast.
00:38:58.159 --> 00:38:58.719
Brian's fast.
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.800
And all these jokes, that was the nicest thing you've said.
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:02.079
That was very nice.
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.800
John, say something nice about me for once.
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:06.000
Yeah, John.
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:06.800
John.
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Own much nicer tank tops than I do.
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:10.880
You know what?
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:11.599
You know what?
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:15.280
I'm gonna move on because that was a very beautiful way to phrase that.
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:16.639
You're gonna ruin this.
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:28.000
Speaking of which, one of the questions one of the questions he wanted me to ask you guys so if you could take Waffle Cohen into a completely ridiculous SF-based direction, what would that be?
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:33.039
And then he threw a bunch of like bread-based puns at me to bring to you guys, which I'm now refusing to do.
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.639
But he wanted to be like, oh, missing sourdough starter or or somebody sabotaging Brunch in every city.
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:39.840
My brain doesn't work that way.
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.119
I'm like, so what how is Waffle and Cohen going to stop the guy who's killing all the hookers in San Francisco?
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.480
And like that's where I go in terms of a ridiculous scenario without spoiling future episodes.
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:58.639
I know you guys have tons of things planned for these two characters, which by the way, you can see that heart, the episodes you've sent us.
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:03.360
I mean, just when we're watching, you can 100% see the love that's going into it for sure.
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:03.920
That's good.
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:14.480
The question is if you could just take these two characters, have the budget that whatever it is, basic unlimited funds, what would be the most ridiculous SF-based scenario you could think of?
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:38.960
I would want to have like a kaiju like attacking the city and everyone's looking everyone's looking to them, or have like Pride Week or something, and have something interrupt Pride and Waffle and Cohen have to like go save the day on Castro and just have all these fun characters and stuff like that, you know, get some drag queens in there with them and stuff like that.
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:39.679
I don't know.
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.800
Something very San Francisco would be fun, you know.
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:49.519
I tend to I tend to think about stuff like I would love to do Escape from Alcatraz with Waffle and Cohen.
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:50.880
Oh my god.
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:52.320
Well, you just spoiled it.
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.239
I would we should totally do that.
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.079
That's a phenomenal idea.
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.480
We'll do the Christmas special that we'll do that.
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.400
Or stuff that I hate.
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.360
Like like I want to I want to think about stuff I hate too.
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:08.000
Like I wanna I'd love for them to be involved in beta breakers because I hate beta breakers.
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.199
You can combine most of those together, though.
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.199
That's what's impressive about that idea.
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:19.920
I think when someone's saying I think someone's saying San Fran and then waffle beating the shit out of them.
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:21.039
You know what I mean?
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:26.159
Or something like that, you know, something funny that's very San Francisco.
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:26.400
Yeah.
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:29.760
Maybe they maybe they have to fight off Carl or something.
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:30.719
You know what I mean?
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.280
Maybe Carl is sad and hasn't left the city in a week or something, or I don't know.
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.320
Just something stupid that's San Francisco-based.
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:50.320
So when I wrote the question, I I just finished kind of my my background that I was watching was um this documentary on Netflix talking about like the the biggest museum heist in history.
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:50.719
Uh-huh.
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:57.199
And so in my head, I'm like, there's been a heist at the antique vibrator museum in San Francisco.
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.719
And waffling out the crap of the games.
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:14.480
You know, I think my favorite most of the stuff that I've worked on in my career has been all like kid friendly, and it's been really fun to step out of that and and and jump into you know, we could do that.
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:22.880
You know, the vibrator factory's on fire and you know waffle and go and go figure out who the arsonist is or something like that, you know.
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.519
Just do something ridiculous and fun.
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:27.039
Steve's laugh.
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.519
That's Steve's laugh of we're not gonna do that.
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:32.239
I get it.
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.480
But you know, they they can go anywhere and do and do pretty much anything.
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:54.159
Now I kind of want to pivot from business talk again, you know, talking specifically about Law and Cohn and the work of Brogs, and just kind of ask, were there any kind of animation inspirations from across the because I know we you know you talked about 70s cop TV shows and sitcoms.
00:42:54.639 --> 00:43:01.760
But also when, you know, a lot of times, you know, when you're making animation, you're a fan of animation.
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:10.079
I don't see why people would necessarily just be like, you know, I just I'm gonna work on this medium that I have absolute and utter disdain for.
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.119
Um I love animation.
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:14.880
Brian, I know you love animation.
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.519
Mike only likes American animation because he's bleached red, white, and blue.
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:20.480
None of that animation stuff.
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:25.840
It's not Christian-based vegetables and the non-phalic one teaching me things.
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.760
I don't want to know it at all.
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.159
We'll do a veggie tales version where Waffling Cullen are out on a pirate ship.
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.079
That would be acting like I like it.
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:34.639
I like it.
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.239
Isn't isn't there like an old ship down at the marina still?
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:38.639
Yeah.
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:42.639
An ancient, and uh, an old ship pulls in for fleet week.
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.119
And we do veggie tales with fleet week.
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:49.840
Uh you know what?
00:43:49.920 --> 00:44:05.039
Uh in all seriousness, uh, one of my favorite things um about what we're doing is uh I made this first new image of them, and John, I think you Showed that when you were first teasing us coming on the show, but it's just them standing in an office.
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:13.360
Um, and it has this aesthetic that I really love and I've tried to keep on the show, even though we're moving toward the future and the present.
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.480
But you know, we don't really call out the cell phones and that kind of stuff.
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:18.800
We might in the future we're not doing that.
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.880
But I just love the color palette.
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:32.000
I love the shapes, I love the the backgrounds that are essentially just color blocks with loose lines that are kind of defining, you know, the backgrounds and that kind of stuff.
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:33.920
You know, but I love UPA.
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.599
I love Hanna Barbera.
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:42.400
Um, you know, I I would love, you know, if I had the resources, I would make this look like Scooby-Doo.
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:43.519
You know what I mean?
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.079
With with a little bit more like oomph to it.
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:47.920
And that would be my kind of dream for it.
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.400
Eventually, if we ever get money, you know, that kind of stuff.
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.000
Unfortunately, it is.
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:52.800
Yeah.
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.519
I I am a I am a fan of all kinds of animation.
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.320
I'm a I'm a Saturday morning cartoons kid.
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.760
I like I loved grow growing up, I really loved action adventure stuff.
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.559
I love Johnny Quest, I love Herculoids, I love uh Thundar the Barbarian.
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.360
Um those are like in my wheelhouse.
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:21.599
But I think that my challenge for this was like drawing on, you know, something that's more stylized.
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.280
Like I love, I love Grew, the comic book grew.
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.239
And I kind of think of this as sort of in that ballpark.
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:36.960
And I also, you know, I also I also love, I mean, I just love Mad Magazine and I love the humor in Mad magazine.
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:44.480
I still subscribe to Mad Magazine because it it is what it is what made me who I am today, partially.
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:58.480
So yeah, I I mean I think there's a lot of certainly there's a lot of animation that we can point to, but it's it's also it's it's Laverne and Shirley, it's Happy Days, it's Arnie Miller, it's all those 70s and 80s sitcoms.
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:12.960
I'm also trying to squeeze in a lot of stuff that you guys that we grew up with, like Nickelodeon, like Kablam, early Nickelodeon stuff, you know, where you know, I'm I shot all the footage, all the live action stuff you see in this, I just shot on my iPhone.
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:13.519
You know what I mean?
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:14.639
Like the stuff on the bay.
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.079
I did that when I was on the ferry, you know, like in the stakeout episode.
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.519
That's that's actually a building near uh Lake Merritt.
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:22.239
You know what I mean?
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.239
So that's actually in Oakland, but you know, I live in Oakland, so I go out and shoot.
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.920
The City Hall for the new episode is actually Oakland City Hall.
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:30.800
You know what I mean?
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.400
But you know, like City Hall in San Francisco is just gigantic.
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.159
It's like, you know, the Capitol building.
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:45.599
So I wanted it to feel a little more small tow-y, you know, so I went downtown into old town Oakland and shot some reference and got some stuff there.
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.039
That's why you see in the crash scene in the episode like the the lampposts, they're actually from Oakland.
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:56.880
Um, you know, so this is a total Bay Area production, you know, and um it is.
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:58.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.920
I I I love that art.
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:07.519
R fictional San Francisco is kind of old school San Francisco, pre, pre, pre, you know, pre-Super Tech San Francisco.
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.480
And you know what's funny is we didn't we didn't talk about it.
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.480
We just kind of I just kind of started doing it and it just kind of ended up that way.
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.840
But we both kind of felt that was the direction to go into.
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:20.239
Now I feel like we're talking like we're artists.
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:22.320
I mean you are.
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:23.280
I mean you guys are.
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:24.000
Yeah, I don't think.
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.239
Did we make a mistake and we didn't hide and interview the artists of this?
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:36.000
No, but you know what, you know why is because uh honestly, this is probably the most fun I've had working on a project in a very long time.
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:41.039
And I hope and the one thing I hope, and I don't mean to be corny, but the one thing I hope is that people like it.
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:41.920
I hope they have fun.
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:43.920
I hope they enjoy how silly it is.
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:49.679
And that is honestly like I want them to have as much fun watching it as we are having fun make.
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:50.079
Yeah.
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.800
I mean, that that's like in the end, isn't that what it like?
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.440
So it's the same thing, the same thing with us here.
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:08.159
We're you know, we come on and we have fun with we we plan it out, but our topics, you know, we use the trello board, and it's just I mean, there's so much shit on that trello board that are just like you guys talk.
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.400
I love all the shit you guys talk.
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:11.280
I just love it.
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.519
You the banter, it's it's wonderful.
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:14.480
Yeah, it's great.
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.960
There's yeah, and that's and that's the stuff that we didn't cut.
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:18.159
Yeah, good, good.
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.159
There's a lot of stuff.
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:21.920
Perfectly fine.
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.920
So, so to round out our episode, I'm gonna throw it to Mike.
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:32.800
Mike's got like a, I don't know what you would call it, a game, an exercise, some some but something fun for us to to dive into.
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:34.079
But I'm gonna set the scene.
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:39.199
So after the very successful run as patrolman Cohen, you are now Sergeant Cohen.
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:44.239
No longer the fresh-faced academy grad, but not the jaded boozy veteran you refuse to let yourself become.
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:58.719
You are now the cop you always wanted to be, telling pot smokers to take it away from the public eye, giving the unhoused coffee money to move along when a business owner demands to get arrested for simply existing, uh, and conserving your real energy for when the streets of San Francisco truly need that administrator of justice.
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.079
But something is different about today.
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:08.559
The new chief, a French baguette, because fuck you, John, tells you he's worried you've made the badge, your entire personality, and that you're taking this job way too seriously.
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:12.320
He thinks you need a partner, someone to help you take down the most dangerous of the dangerous.
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:19.280
Fortunately, due to your now many years of service, you get to choose from arguably the greatest collection of patrol partners ever assembled on any screen.
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.199
Each one has either a dedicated career in investigations, patrol, or defense.
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.920
You guys choose this or that until we have a winner.
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:30.480
So the way it's gonna work, I'm gonna start it very easily with arguably the most famous cop do of all time.
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:40.880
So do you pair the now Sergeant Cohen with the grizzled, I'm too old for this shit, Detective Roger Murtaugh, played at the time by 40-year-old Danny Glover, which is dumb because I am now older than him.
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:41.920
We all are.
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:42.559
Right?
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:43.920
Crazy, right?
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:49.519
But he was the too old guy or the reckless, violent, or incredibly effective detective Martin Riggs.
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.239
So who would you pair with Cohen right now?
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.239
Roger Murtaugh, Martin Riggs.
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:55.039
Murtaugh.
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:55.679
Murtaugh.
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:56.320
No question.
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:57.199
I say Riggs.
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:57.679
What?
00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:58.639
That's crazy.
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.880
No, I say Murtaugh because he reminds him of Waffle.
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:03.119
Oh.
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:03.599
That's why.
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:04.800
Are you okay with that one?
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:05.199
Sure.
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:05.599
Why not?
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:06.079
Let's do it.
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:06.400
Okay.
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:07.119
Murtaugh.
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.760
Because he's hey hey, Danny Glover's San Francisco, too.
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.599
So this is true.
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.400
Graduated from San Francisco State University, my Alma Bob.
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:14.559
Yep.
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.760
Murtaugh or Axel Foley from Beverly Hills Cup.
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.880
Oh, you guys watched all the stuff I posted, didn't you?
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.519
Um uh Axel.
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:24.320
Axel.
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:25.039
Axel?
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:26.239
Both are Axel?
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:26.800
Okay.
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:27.440
Okay.
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:28.800
I would say Axel.
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:29.920
I would no, I'm just kidding.
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.039
No, actually, seriously, I think Murtaugh, I think it'd stick with Murtaugh.
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.280
I think he he loves he loves Waffle.
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.039
And Murtaugh is close to Waffle.
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:37.280
Okay.
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.199
Are we but we're both agreeing on Murtaugh?
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:39.840
Yes, sir.
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:40.159
Okay.
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:40.559
Yes.
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.079
Murtaugh or Sonny Crockett?
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:43.199
Played by Don Johnson, Miami.
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:44.159
Sonny Crockett.
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:45.280
Sonny Crockett.
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.360
That answer came so fast that we're gonna ignore Brian Hess.
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:57.039
So, Sonny Crockett or I'm sorry, because I knew it was gonna be that though, because earlier, the immediate go-to, we need more Nash Bridges.
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:01.519
I was like, if this comes out The moment I he said that, I'm like, do I know which way this is gonna work?
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.960
I have a name for you at the end of this thing.
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:05.519
Okay.
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.039
Sonny Crockett or Detective Lee, Jackie Chan from Rush Hour.
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:09.519
Crockett.
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:10.159
Sonic Crockett.
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:10.639
Crockett?
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.679
Crockett or Sergeant Joe Friday, played by Jack Web and Dragnet.
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:14.400
Sonic Rocket.
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:15.280
Sonic Crockett?
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.199
Crockett or Kojak?
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:17.920
Ooh.
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:20.880
You're getting to your 70s.
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.719
I still say Crockett, but I'll let Steve take this one.
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:25.920
Because Kojak.
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:27.039
Tempting.
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:27.679
Tempting.
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:29.519
I don't think Cohen would like that.
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.800
He's got an affectation with the lollipop, you know?
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:33.679
Exactly.
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:34.159
Yeah.
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:39.679
So and in this world, that could be a living, breathing creature.
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:40.480
Alright.
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:42.639
Um, I'm gonna say Sonny Crockett.
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:43.760
We'll go Sonny Crockett.
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:44.320
All right.
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:45.440
Oh, no way.
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:46.239
Crockett.
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:47.119
Crockett.
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:47.679
Crockett.
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Crockett is gonna okay, Crockett might take this.
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:54.480
Crockett or Inspector Jack uh Cates, played by Nick Nolte from 48 Hours.
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:55.920
Another gruff angry man.
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:56.559
Crockett.
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:57.199
Crockett?
00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:57.760
Okay.
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.480
Crockett, I'm gonna throw one at you from the 70s fans.
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.960
Crockett or Inspector Steve Keller, played by Michael Douglas, The Streets of San Francisco.
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.119
Oh, this might break it.
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:15.599
Okay, so so that's one of my favorite movies.
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.920
So had you, hang on one second.
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:31.360
Had you said because I can't remember the name of the character, but Richard Hatch was the replacement in I can't remember what season of the season was.
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:31.599
Really?
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:32.800
Okay.
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:34.800
But if it was his character, I would have said yes.
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:36.239
Crockett's still winning?
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:36.800
Okay.
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:38.719
So you're sticking with Crockett?
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:39.920
Sticking with Crockett.
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:41.119
Alright, we're sticking.
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:41.760
We're staying.
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.280
Rumble Racing.
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:48.239
So it's not that many names left.
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:48.639
Don't worry.
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:49.840
Crockett might take this.
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:51.519
Crockett, okay.
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.840
Crockett, and then we're gonna go a little bit more contemporary.
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.800
Crockett or Nicholas Angel, played by Simon Pegan's.
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:57.360
Crockett?
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:57.920
Crockett?
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.159
Crockett or Warren Beatty's Dick Tracy.
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.000
Oh my god, that would be amazing.
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:03.519
I say Warren Beatty.
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:05.920
Because that would be so hard to have a lot of people.
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.639
This aging Playboy.
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:09.119
Yeah.
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.320
Yeah, and he's still Dick Tracy today.
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:13.039
Look it up.
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:14.559
So Tracy's in the lead right now?
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:15.119
Alright.
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:15.599
Okay.
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.920
Tracy or Hooch from Turner and Hooch.
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:18.480
Hooch.
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:18.880
Oh.
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:21.519
Hooch or Austin.
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:22.559
Yeah, man.
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:24.480
We lost one baby round.
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.159
We lost in one go-around.
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.960
Yeah, Cohen would just fall into the Tom Hanks roll and just start yelling at Hooch.
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.000
Or you throw it for a loop and hooch that Cohen is the hooch in this situation.
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:37.760
That'd be good.
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:41.599
He starts drooling.
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:43.519
He gets shot at that.
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.599
Hooch or Osmosis Jones, played by Chris Rock.
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:48.239
Hooch.
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:48.719
Hooch?
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:49.360
Oh, no way.
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:49.679
Hooch.
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.320
Hooch or Duckman played by Jason Alexander.
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:52.880
Hooch.
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:53.519
Hooch.
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.920
Hooch or Kit from Night Red.
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.480
Kit would be amazing.
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:01.760
Okay.
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:02.719
Kit.
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:03.679
We'll go with Kit.
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.360
Kit or Theodore Rex.
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:08.639
The Tyrannosaurus Rex cop.
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:09.280
Kit?
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:09.599
Okay.
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:10.719
Don't even.
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:11.199
Yeah.
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:13.440
Isn't that the whoopee Goldberg movie?
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.440
Yeah, no, it's stay with Kit.
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:16.960
I can't believe I know.
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:17.920
I can't believe you know.
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:19.280
I thought I was gonna have to explain that.
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.320
I have a whole explanation.
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.800
No, you didn't know how to explain anything.
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:24.719
I might have to explain this one.
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:32.559
Kit or Detective George Francisco, which I misread as Sam Francisco, who is the cop the alien cop from Alien Nation.
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:33.280
I haven't watched that.
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:35.840
Uh yeah, yeah.
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.519
That that show was, I mean, the movie's weird, but the show is even weirder.
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:40.079
Yeah.
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.719
I thought you guys might know it because it's so sci-fi, but I won't throw that one out.
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:46.079
Isn't that Alan Teddick?
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.840
Uh no, it was uh Matthew Sykes and then uh Gary Graham.
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:50.480
Oh, okay.
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:51.599
Gary Graham.
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.000
Gary Graham was the detective.
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:54.480
Yeah.
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:55.039
Okay.
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:55.920
I still think kit.
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:57.519
I'm assuming we're going with the kit.
00:54:58.159 --> 00:54:59.199
Kit or Ace Ventura.
00:54:59.360 --> 00:54:59.440
Yeah.
00:54:59.679 --> 00:54:59.840
Kit.
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:00.719
Pet Detective.
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:01.280
Kit?
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:01.760
Kit.
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:02.079
Kit.
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.920
Kit, and just because I know your MDB, or young Obi-Wan Kenobi.
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:14.079
As long as Cohen gets a rogue and a weird and a weird goatee and a weird like stringy.
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:16.320
He has to become a Jedi immediately.
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:17.840
Are we going with Obi-Wan or Steve?
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:18.880
We do not have a big thing.
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:23.599
No.
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.400
They're gonna they're gonna like extract Mediclorines from him and take them away.
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:30.639
Oh man.
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:31.840
Well.
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.199
So did did Obi-Wan take this one, or is it because I have one more name?
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:35.760
Kit.
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:36.639
No, it's Kit.
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:37.199
It's Kit?
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:37.760
It's Kit.
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:38.719
This one might be hard.
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:44.239
So Kit or Star Trek Deep Space Nine era Wharf.
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:45.760
Steve can take that.
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:47.440
He's more of a Star Trek network.
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:48.480
I know who the character is.
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.159
I have to stick with Kit.
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:51.280
I really am.
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:52.559
Really?
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:53.519
Yeah.
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:54.079
Yeah.
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:55.760
Now you make me want to.
00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:06.320
I'm just like, like the difference between Wharf on Deep Space Nine and Wharf on Next Gen is just not my not my cup of tea.
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.760
Wait, as in you prefer next gen Wharf?
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:11.039
Oh yeah.
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:12.320
Oh, interesting.
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.000
Oh, interesting.
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Yeah.
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:15.760
Usually it's the other way around.
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:17.039
I was such a fan of the character.
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:18.239
That's incredible.
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:20.800
You guys need to explain this to me because I don't understand.
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:23.360
Uh we could.
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:28.079
We actually had a whole like section of this about how why a character might suck.
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.800
And one of the sections was so we all pitched something.
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:32.960
It was why is why is why does Wharf suck?
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And we had all of these trekkies telling us how wrong we were.
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Because Wharf, if you watch if you watch Deep, uh not Deep S if you watch uh Next Gen, she's the measuring stick to show someone is strong.
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:48.159
So he's constantly getting further around like a ragdoll.
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:49.039
Exactly.
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:50.960
And everybody, but that's the point.
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.840
The point is, Wharf is this amazing security officer.
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.840
Look how much stronger this guy is to him.
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The problem is when you do it and you watch them all in a row, like season after season without break, you only see him get his ass kicked for hours on end.
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:09.199
And then every now and again he's in like a fight to the death with somebody, then he kicks somebody's ass.
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.239
Um all right, Steve, what's your answer?
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:13.519
Kit.
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:14.480
Amazing.
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:16.400
So let me ask you, why why kit?
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.360
Why is Cohen and Kit the the inevitable?
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.519
I like cars and robots.
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:25.920
That's all I need.
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:27.519
That's all I need.
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:30.400
I think I think Mr.
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.400
Feeney would be a great partner to Cohen, though.
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:35.440
Yeah, Mr.
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:46.480
Feeney, even though I knew who I didn't know who he was before Boy Meets World, but after after I started watching Boy Meets World, I was like, holy shit, this is Kit in human form.
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:47.360
You know what I mean?
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.920
So like grew up watching that, but yeah, Mr.
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:50.960
Feeney wins all the way.
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:54.960
It's it's the body of Kit, but it's the voice of Cedric the entertainer.
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:01.840
I I I was gonna say I think I'm more of a Bernie Mac on that one.
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:08.320
I feel like Bernie Mac just got a little like a little extra flavor to him that would just really Oh my god.
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:12.320
Now here's the question which one of them is still alive?
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:13.920
Oh, Cedric.
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:15.519
That's fair.
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:16.960
Cedric, for sure.
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:18.800
I think Bernie Mac passed away.
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:19.360
He did.
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:19.920
He did.
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.000
Yeah, he went wild that way, unfortunately.
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:23.840
Oh my god, that was great.
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:24.400
Thank you guys.
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:24.960
Yeah.
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.519
I mean, so that's that's that's our show.
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:35.039
Um, where where can we find uh both of you across the wide internet that most people call home these days?
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:35.599
All right.
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.559
Well, I am Hestunes on absolutely everything.
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.840
Uh YouTube, Instagram, uh Threads.
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.320
Um you can find me on all that stuff, TikTok.
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:45.360
I'm over there too.
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:46.800
Um, I just post art.
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.599
Um you can find me hanging out with Brian.
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.559
Um, no, uh I'm yeah.
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:58.000
Uh Steve Fox 1968 on IG.
00:58:58.159 --> 00:58:58.559
Awesome.
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Yeah.
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.639
He's actually in the other room.
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He's just over there.
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:02.639
Yeah.
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.360
We can we can put a little Harry Potter.
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:10.400
Yeah.
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:12.320
Thank you guys so much.
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This was so much fun.
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It was it was an absolute blast.
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Thank you for hanging out with us and and and you know giving us the rundown.
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.360
And hey, check out Wafflin Cohen on YouTube.
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.440
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