Classic - A Former Intelligence Agent's View on Metaphysics

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Justin Recla is an Army veteran and
former counter intelligence agent. Now he's a
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chief operating officer and what I'd like
to call it the Chief Seeker of the
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Superpower Experts. It's a network of
programming that focuses on personal development, spirituality
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and inspiration. And his message simple, help others do things better and have
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self dominion in everything that you do. Welcome back to another episode of The
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Skeptic Metaphysician. My name is Will
and unlike mulderin Scully, both want to
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believe. So we've embarked in a
journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians
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Classic. You are listening to the
Classic Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to Classic and
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skeptics. Welcome to our version of
a WALKDWN Memory Lane as we present classics
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from the Skeptic Physician Library. Warts
and all. Don't be sad, because
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I'm sad enough for all of us. I am flying solo again today,
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Karen not with us at this time, Justin, I could not be more
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excited to have you on the show. Thanks for coming on, Thanks for
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having me, and I look forward
to the conversation me too. I need
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to ask first and foremost, right
off the bat, superpower experts, what
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does that mean? Exactly? Quite
the backstory on superpower experts for those that
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don't know, My wife and I
are both former counter intelligence agents with the
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US government, and if we like
to joke around, it's like we're here
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from the government and we like,
we're here to tell you that superpowers are
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real, but it's really superpowers was
the essentially the spiritual guidance that was given
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through to Tonia when we left government. When we left government, we had
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stepped out in the world and we
started our own corporate counter intelligence firm,
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doing background checks, risk mitigation,
and due diligence for B to B transactions.
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But along the way, we found
ourselves coaching other people CEOs and so
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forth, and helping them stand in
their own dominions. So essentially they didn't
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have to hire our firm because we
were empowering them to do exactly what we
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were doing for them as a service. While we were happy to take their
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money, we were really more focused
on wanting to bring about change and get
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people to think about business differently.
But along the way that created a coaching
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platform that was just originally just Tonia
and I we called ourselves personal power Experts,
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and after the fact we learned that
Tony Robbins has actually got the copyright
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on for all things personal power.
So it was timely when Tonia got the
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information, like she literally had a
that she She's like, what are we
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doing? Hear? And she just
went she turned to the divine and turned
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to prayer and in the next thing
she heard was superpowers and she's like,
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okay, but what why and which
she was given the guidance to help awaken
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the masses and superpowers was just how
it came about. And yeah, we
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actually talked about real life superpowers,
mind reading, psychic ability, intuition,
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empathy, and some cat two level
stuff that that just came through as her
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body of work from being a social
scientist and understanding people and in group out
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group dynamics and everything that we also
did as as agents, we've encompassed into
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our platform and so it's been birthed
as Superpowers and Superpower Experts in the Superpower
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Network is a collaborative coaching model because
we recognize that we don't have all the
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answers, and so we do it
with the team. We broadcast our network
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out and a frequency that's designed to
offset the lower vibrations of mass media,
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and we recognize that when we can
work together and collaborate with one another,
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that coming together and this person hits
their circle, this person hits their circle.
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Working together, we're having an impact. So I love the fact that
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you just said it's a counter programming
to the mass media, because I mean,
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that's really what when I'm looking at
your website and looked at your programs,
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you really are focused in raising consciousness, helping society wake up to the
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realities of why we're here, a
spirituality, whatever you want to call it,
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And a lot of the shows are
very specific to certain modalities, and
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your whole famili's involved in this.
Right, it's not just you and your
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partner, but your daughter is also
part of it also, right, Yeah,
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our daughter Lee Reckless, she's been
bit in business since she was too
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When when Tony and I left government, we meet a pact that we weren't
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going to do anything that would not
allow her to participate, and so we
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were very selective in where we participated
and were very blessed to have found several
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business communities that we became a part
of and started mentoring at and teaching at
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and she said it in all the
classes, she just absorbed thes she got
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to learn from people like Bob Proctor, and Les Brown and Bernie Dorman and
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some really powerhouses in the personal development
field encompassed around this business concept and I
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love it. She recently just did
an interview on ABC News and she said
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that, you know, she uses
business as her modality of helping make an
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impact on people's lives. And you
know, we're very blessed that it's not
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just that Tony and I helped raise
her, but we had a good community
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that helped us do it. And
she's twelve, and she oversees our internship
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program and oversees two of our production
teams for the network as well, and
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and she's also coached. She does
a parent parent midtering and as part of
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our community membership, she is doing
her program I'm out of the program called
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kid Clarity, where parents can come
talk to her and get some insights from
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a kid's perspective on how to build
and manage relationship with thrown kids. Wow,
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that is fantastic on so many different
levels. First and foremost, the
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fact that you've got a twelve year
old who is self aware enough to be
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able to provide insight in that at
that level to to to adults who grown
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ups. But also they say that
kids are a lot closer to the to
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the veil the mysteries of life.
Right, So it's it's super intuitive,
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but not a lot of people pull
a trigger, so to speak, on
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having their children kind of help them
along under spiritual journey. When in essence,
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I mean, you hear all the
time that kids see spirits they talk
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to imagine they friends who people are
saying are actually spirits or spirit guides.
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They're much more psychic than growing ups
because life gets in the way. So
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how she exhibited a lot of these
things. Well, like you said,
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kids are so more closely aligned with
the divine and the universe, you know,
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spirit whatever you want to call it, on our abilities as as humans,
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right, and what's possible. When
I was growing up, I had
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a lot of abilities that I didn't
know what they were, or how they
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were, or what they were,
why I was seeing things, why I
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was hearing things. I would I
would see dead people, I would see
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ghosts, and I had all these
things. And my parents, God bless
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them, you know, did the
best they could and I think this is
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the case with a lot of people
nowadays, is that you just don't know
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what You just don't know. And
I had no framework, and my parents
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weren't religious, enoughture and weren't spiritual
enough to be able to understand it,
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and the typical response of it's all
in your head, right, And twenty
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years later they apologized to me because
they started to as they continued on their
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own personal development, own journey and
understanding of how things work, they started
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seeing and experiencing some of the things
that I saw as a kid, and
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later learned that the house that I
grew up in was a hospice home where
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people went to die. So it
all kind of like made sense and they
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were able to see it. They
apologized. But with Niva, I knew
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that we had an opportunity to do
something different and to tackle it head on.
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And Tonia and I, and through
our own experiences, through our own
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understanding of the human psyche and how
and why we function in all of that,
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decided to nurture that. Rather than
tell her it was on her head
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or put it into a box over
here, we helped her explore that because
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of the very young age she saw
things. She had the same abilities that
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I had, and so rather than
leave her alone to try to figure it
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out, I would play in it
with her and we would come into the
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room and she'd be having full blown
conversations with people and playing with their toys.
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And we asked who she's talking to, and she's like, the white
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people, they were glowing white,
right, That's how she described And they're
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glowing white. The white she was. She was talking to angels and having
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conversations with them, and it became
natural for her. And as she evolved
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into who she is today, she's
got a better understanding of how all that
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works, and why that works,
and how such abilities are just tools for
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us to better understand ourselves. Right, it really doesn't matter what modality you
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play in or what you call it, but it's worth exploring, so we
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better understand those concepts. And she's
mastered it, and she's twelve, and
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she's integrated a lot of the stuff, and she still has experiences and things
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and stuff, but not to the
point of scary, but to the point
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of inquiry, not for the why
is this happening to me? It's scary,
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but why is this happening for me? To explore what does it mean
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for herself? Right that that is
that's truly amazing. I think to your
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point, most people will immediately run
to the fear aspect of it, like,
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oh, why is this happening to
me? When in essence, especially
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kids, I don't think they're afraid
for the most part, unless they're taught
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to be afraid. And that's that's
where we've gone wrong, because we've learned
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over I don't know how many years
to fear the unknown that the mass media
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starts, you know, feeding us
all the stories of the hauntings and the
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horror stories and stuff. So we
developed this fear and we pass it on
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to our kids. So it's it's
amazing and I'll say it again that that
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you had the forethought to say,
no, this this, this is an
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opportunity for us to involve our daughter
in something that that makes perfect sense.
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Now taking a look at if you're
if you're only listening to the show,
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you're not watching this on YouTube,
You're you're only getting half the story because
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Justin does not like you do,
not embody the typical. But someone says
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this person is spiritual or goes along
the sees spirits or channels, or they
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don't necessarily think of someone that looks
like you. What do you consider yourself?
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What are your superpowers? I have
a couple of One of my most
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powerful superpowers is something that I've dubbed
intelligence transferrings. I'm able to take this
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information over here of what somebody puts
into or describes as this modality, and
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I'm able to overlay it and translate
it into other things that people can identify
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with and how it's received. So
oftentimes when we when we talk about something,
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if it's not in a vernacular or
in a construct we're familiar with,
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people will will shut it. Although
they'll they'll turn away from it. They
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don't they don't understand it, they
don't want to attempt to understand it.
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I have the ability to be able
to take information and translate it and filter
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it down to where it can be
consumed by people at a level which makes
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sense for them, which has worked
out really well business wise. Because my
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wife Tonya, she she operates in
the abstract. She is up in the
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ether communing with God and bringing forth
information that I get. I make sense
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because I've been on the journey with
her for so long, and together we've
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been able to translate that information to
where people understand it, and it's it's
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very high vibe. And you're right, I don't look like the typical,
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the typical wu Wu spiritual guy.
You know. I tend to people,
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you know, either get feel intimidated
by me or curious. You know.
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I go to get the oil changed
the car at the car dealership, They're
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like, I didn't teg you for
driving a minivan, you know, And
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I step out of it. But
then we can gauge a conversation. It's
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like, Oh, it's it's not
the biker look. It's not he's you
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know, he's not big and scary. It's it's there's a I'm very I'm
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very certain that I was given this
look for a very particular reason that I
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look the way that I do so
I can introduce some of these concepts that
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we're delivering through the world of the
body of work that we call superpowers and
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and share that with others. And
I think it's inviting to some to recognize
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that, you know what, you
could be a man, you could be
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masculine. But at the end of
the day, the only thing worth exploring
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is your own consciousness and your relationship
to the vine and whatever that looks like
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for you. It's only worthwhile winter
that we are that we have on this
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planet. And I think that's why
I look the way I do. So
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people go, you know what,
that guy can do it, then I
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can do it. Yeah, yeah, great point. We've been told time
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and time again you can't judge a
book, but it's cover and all that
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kind of stuff. This this is
good for everybody. Doesn't matter what you
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look like, what color your skin, whether you're male or female. This
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is all stuff that we're all going
through, right, We're all going through
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this spiritual awakening, and it doesn't
matter who you are. This means you,
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right, it's you too, right, It's not the other guy or
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the other girl. It's you.
And no matter what you look like or
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how you live, this is important
stuff to get through. So you used
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to be counterintelligence agents. So I've
got to ask the question, because I'm
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sure you've gotten a thousand times.
Do you know all the secrets? You
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know? If I would, I
probably wouldn't be able to be here talking,
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right, But let me assure you
this is part of the part of
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the reason why we ended up breaking
off and doing our own thing and what
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we eventually left government was at the
time Tony and I were civilians who our
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careers as agents were done, but
we were now contractors as serving as teachers,
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and we were training new agents and
putting them into the field. Between
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Tony and I that we trump probably
changed a train to four or five thousand
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agents that we put into the field
over over the over the six or seven
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years that we were there together.
In at one point in time, the
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military had come to Tonia to ask
her to write a critical thinking class because
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her because she had a master's degree. She joined the military when she was
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twenty seven with a master's degree and
had had studied in things like critical thinking
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and so forth, and the military
had recognized that, you know what,
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there's time, it's time for us
to do things differently. We need to
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start training critical thinking to our agents. And in that it was a five
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day course and we taught things like
in group about group dynamics, ego deconstruction,
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right, this theory, you know, NLP, all of the things
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that were tools that are designed to
help us understand who we are because in
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the field, as an agent,
if your ego gets in the way,
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you're either going to get yourself killed, or you're going to get your source
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killed, and you're going to fail
the mission, right, And so we
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were teaching them how to come into
a level of their own self awareness.
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It was at that point in time
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Wow, this is bigger than us, that we can't just share this with
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them. We have to take this
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started our entrepreneurial journey. But along
the way we worked with some really cool
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people. I don't know if you're
familiar with it or not. I've talked
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about this before in the past and
other shows, but Project Stargate a class.
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It was a classified program that the
government used. It was a remote
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viewing program that the government was using
remote viewers viewers to pinpoint locations of Russian
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subs off the coast of Cuba,
and during the height of cult of the
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Cold War, we actually worked with
some of the very first remote viewers that
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were part of that program. They
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course. And through that, through
my own desire to better understand I've I've
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been seeking my entire life. I've
been in and out of you know,
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studying different religions. I've you know, and understanding religion and how that works,
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and spirituality combined with the metaphysical and
who I studied all of that,
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and then here I was working with
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metaphysical and we're using it as a
tool for the military. So it had
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substance for me, and so I
dove in even further. I studied things
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like to road cards and remote viewing. I had studied all of that and
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saw that, oh wow, this
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what we were teaching in the personal
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what makes us ticked, and connection
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kind of like what describes what superpowers
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one to serve one purpose, to
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of who they are and remind them
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world product is Stargate. I think
it was. I've heard it called something
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else, but it were you privy
to remote viewing experiments like, well,
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you do you see it happen?
Are you No? I've experienced it myself.
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I came I came into a connection. By the time product Stargate got
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shut down, I think it was
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But the gentlemen that were part of
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it actually ended going on to create
their own course, their own remote viewing
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course, and so I studied some
of the information they shared with me,
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they shared with a couple of the
other instructors that were interested in such things,
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and so I learned how to to
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remote viewing requires requires two people a
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military used, at least the ones
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very specific for very detailed reasons and
so forth. But I was unfortunately I'm
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not that I'm a little bit young
for the bit to it, but participated
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in starting itself. But the fact
that you know, for me, it
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was the fact that the government was
exploring such things gave validity to validity to
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to the metaphysical that allowed me to
want and you know, wanted me to
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gave me the opportunity to dive into
those even more. Right, right,
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makes sense? Now, way,
what's what's the difference between remote viewing and
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astral projection or are the same thing. My understanding if a actual projection is
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is that actual projections like you're actually
actually taking and going somewhere with your spirit,
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your energy and so forth, whereas
remote viewing is you're just looking at
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things. And the way it was
explained to me is the concept of the
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matrix, the idea of the matrix, the movie the matrix, and so
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forth. It's got a lot of
different roots, but the term itself,
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from what I understand, actually originated
in Project Stargate, because they used the
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term the matrix as the energetic field, the grid, the energetic grid that
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surrounds the Earth that allows remote viewers
to tap into to be able to go
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and transfer different places. And so
the term the matrix, from my understanding
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at least, originated from Project Stargate. And then of course it's been taken
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and used and shared and done you
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at least how they used it in
the Project Stargate. Wow, that's amazing.
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We need to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with
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more amazing conversation on the Skeptic Metaphysicians. For someone that wants to start looking
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into this kind of thing, who
is curious about spirituality, or is curious
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about spiritual development or personal development or
essentially awakening, whatever you want to call
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it. What's the best way in
your estimation for someone to do that.
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Start seeking, you know, start
asking questions. First and foremost, the
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easiest thing for you to do is
that everything in your own life, instead
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of looking at it through a victim
leans, ask yourself, why is this
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happening for me? And just asking
that one question in everything that you do,
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every moment of every day will start
to start. We'll start to train
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the synopsis in your brain. Start
looking at seeing the world differently. Start
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reading books, go through go through
all the go through all the classics.
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Right they can grow Rich by Napoleon
Hill, right Outwitting the Devil, all
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of anything that piques your interest.
Pick a topic, it doesn't matter,
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but just start studying, start exploring. You can go listen to go listen
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to a pick pick one of the
shows on the super Power Network and start
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just listen to one episode today because
the conversations that are being had there are
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in a different frequency, in a
different way of viewing an experience life.
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And the network is really designing to
attune people to a hire frequency to get
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into the place that supports their own
seeking. You bring up your network,
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and I'm glad that you did because
I love to dive a little bit further
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into it. I'm looking at your
website right now, and you've got I'm
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looking at all the programs that you
have, and you have a vast amount
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of programs and each one is different
from sex, love and Superpowers to your
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daughter's Superpower Kids. Right, we
can change the world. You've got we
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Rise, You've got Superpower and business
like you have, You've cover so many
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different topics. Like you to your
point, there are different vibrations for each
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one. Is there something for everyone? Superpowered Mamas? Is there something for
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everyone on this network? Yeah.
If you're seeking and you're wanting to explore
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different realities, you're going to explore
the metaphysical. If you're wanting to explore
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your own consciousness, We've got to
show for it. We've got a high
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frequency Healing which deals with different three
different healing modalities. We've got Superpowered Mamas,
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which takes a different perspective on raising
conscious children. We've got Your super
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Powered Mind, which our host Kristen
Maxwell, she's she's she's a trained attorney,
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she's she's a lawyer, and she's
exploring consciousness and how we how our
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mind works, and how it all
interacts and how it's all connected. And
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she explores it from people that like
to think right. They consider themselves thinkers
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first, and so thinkers go listen
to go listen to your Superpowered Mind to
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where is If you want or if
you want to explore, if you want
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to explore the way wo and thought
leaders and things that are pushing the edge,
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go listen to the Science Superpowers.
That's Tony's show. She's she's having
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conversations with people that are that are
pushing the edges of known reality. And
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and if you've got a family,
you're married, and you want to know
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how how to how you navigate these
spaces and you have these as conversations as
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a family, go listen to our
family show Reclamation. We're at twenty four
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to seven family and we've dubbed ourselves
the first Family of Inspired Personal Development because
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it's not just spiritual growth, it's
not just personal development, it's inspired personal
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development right, using spirit, divine
God, the universe as the foundation on
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which we explore our own consciousness because
in that the sky's limit. I listen
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to so many shows that when I
look at your site, and I've subscribed
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to a few of your shows because
I've found them fascinating, but there's so
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much that it would take me the
rest of my life to listen to all
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your shows. Because you do have
some amazing, amazing programming. But if
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someone's like just starting out, where
would you direct them? Where do they
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start? Because cosmic consciousness sounds amazing, High frequency healing sounds amazing. I'm
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really interested in listening to your wife's
show because that I'm all about pushing reality
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and all that kind of stuff.
But I'm at a certain level. I've
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been looking into this stuff I've been
seeking for quite a while. But a
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lot of folks that are listening to
this show specifically, are not one hundred
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percent there, right. They maybe
like me, they maybe they want to
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believe, but they don't know for
sure whether this stuff is real or in
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their minds, or you know,
they're afraid of the wou like we talked
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about, but they really want to
start exploring and when you look at someone
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and says cosmic consciousness, it could
be a little intimidating. So do you
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have something that you would recommend if
you're brand new to this stuff. Here's
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here's where you start. Well,
you know, it's funny because there are
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there are so many starting points to
take into consideration, right because my you
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know, some of my experience,
for instance, came from you know,
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I started off in the church and
then left the church, studied religion,
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understood religion, and then found my
way back to Christ two years ago when
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I was baptized with my daughter.
And along the way, I've incorporated to
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row cards, remote viewing, you
know, I talked to go I channel,
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I've incorporated all of those things as
tools to understanding my relationship with Divine
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with nothing but a desire to understand
myself and my relationship with God. And
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so it really depends on where you're
coming from. Somebody like you, you've
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been seeking for a while, you
understand some of these higher concepts, so
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you can probably dive right into like
the show disrupt Reality Caused and consciousness and
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the science superpowers right for somebody else, Depending on where you're starting, if
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you're growing out growing the constructed religion
in itself. Start looking other places that
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really really start studying a framework for
what's possible outside of the boxes that have
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been created by religion. Right explorts
Wayne Dyer's stuff is amazing. Read some
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of his stuff. It's it's it's
great entry way into understanding what's beyond.
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Look at look at some of Deepak
Chopra's early stuff. But they're Jesus right,
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that's some great stuff there. Napoleon
Hill really ties in that person of
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filament aspect as well. Start looking
and start reading, just finding things that
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resonate with you. Recognizing that every
modality, everything is saying the exact same
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thing. Just using different vernacular,
finds something that works and resonates for you.
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For our shows, your business minded, go go to incorporating Superpowers.
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You'll see we keep things that it's
at the business level, right, it's
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real world stuff. It's talking with
people that are doing things different, but
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the conversations that are being had are
from a different construct, from a different
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perspective on how to do business.
Right. Go watch Navas show her,
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Go watch her old her old Superpower
kids shows, and you can kind of
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see some of the silliness that's wrapped
up and in playfulness from a kid's perspective.
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Right, if you want to get
real, go go listen to the
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Reclamation Show, because we get wrong, we get real, we get we're
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talking and transparency and some of the
stuff that we have been through ourselves as
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a family and what that looks like. But the best place to start open
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a book, listen something different.
More importantly, open your mind to the
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fact that there's something else, bigger
out there in that whatever the mass media
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has been feeding you, whatever social
media has been feeding you, that's all
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programming designed to do one thing,
and that's to keep you in your small
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self and limit who you actually are
in the world. It's funny you mentioned
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people like Napoleon Hill and things like
that, not that people don't realize that
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that type of concept, the concepts
they were branding about, is very mired
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in the spiritual and the and the
consciousness awakening. They just think, well,
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this is a self improvement or motivational
for business type of thing, when
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in essence they're using law, manifestation
and all that kind of stuff in their
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teachings. I mean it is.
It is really accessible if you just recognize
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it for what it is. Yeah, don't be afraid. Have the courage,
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to have the courage just to start
exploring, have the conversations, right,
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you know, I love the backstory
that you shared with me in your
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own journey and the how you've got
the actual proof of oh wow, this
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is actually real. Right, and
and oftentimes in all times, and in
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the movie The Matrix, right when
I'm going through it again, because I'm
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gear enough to watch the new one
that's coming out here this year, the
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new series, Right, I've good
ready to watch it. Well, because
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it's exactly Resistance. And when you
know, when Neo goes into the MAKESFX
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for Tommy comes out of the construct
after fighting fighting Morpheus, right, he
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goes it's blood. Right, It's
like I didn't think it was real.
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It's like, well, your mind
makes it real. If you don't take
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anything else away from that movie,
but that right there, it's your mind
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that makes it real. Belief is
everything, right, Science, science has
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proven that the desk that I'm sitting
in front in front of, right,
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that I'm sitting behind right now,
I can touch it. But science has
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proven that there's more empty space in
this desk than there is actual matter.
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So how is it then that I
can touch it? Well, folks,
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that that's the matrix. That's kind
of how it works. Why is it
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solid? Because I believe in my
subconscious programming, through social programming, through
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everything, that it's real. But
if I were to train myself to believe
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that it's not and every ounce of
my being, I could probably put my
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hand through it. But I had
had to believe it all of me to
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do such. I mean, you
bring up things that Yogis in India have
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been doing for so many years,
right to hear stories of people levitating.
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We interviewed a gentleman who was telling
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to secrete water from his hands,
or had fire coming into his hands,
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all these different superpowers. I guess, for lack of a better word,
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they feel it as a nuisance.
It's just a secondary side effect to the
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road to their self enlightenment. We
just did an interview with someone who had
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a near death experience, and her
experience was one a very devout Catholic woman
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who had been taught that if she
was bad, she was going to hell.
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She was good, she was going
to heaven, and when she was
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put into a coma because of a
health issue that she had. She ended
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up going to hell because that's what
she expected that would be what's happened.
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So she experienced all these terrible things
in her end, and then when she
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started changing her thought process to one
of more aligned with God, she ended
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up being shot up into heaven,
at which point she was told no,
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no, you've got much too much
work to do. You got to go
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back. Or Her whole message was
I created that you don't have to go
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to hell. Right, if you
don't believe that you're going to go to
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hell when you die, you won't. But you have to really truly know
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that when you die, this is
what happens. Right. We talked about
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what dreams may come the book and
the movie that when you die, they
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everyone had their own personal hell or
their own personal heaven because for sure enough,
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whatever you believe is one hundred percent
real for you. Right, Well,
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yeah, that's that's my concept of
hell is is slightly. I don't
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think you have to wait for it. I think most people live in existence
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that is hell because they get up
every morning and go to their nine to
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five job rates and repeat. They
might see their family on the weekends and
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then they they're just waiting to die, or they're waiting for some miracle,
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maybe hitting the power ball. Whatever
it is, right, and it may
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not be they You might have a
great life, but even in just small
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things like getting into a fight with
your spouse, and it's the same fight
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over and over, it's a hell
loop. Right. The behaviors don't change,
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right, the reality doesn't change,
the constructs don't change. Your friends
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don't change. And this person is
not nice, and this person never says
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anything. This person we create these
own hell loops because it's our program when
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we don't understand why. And my
belief is that we create these hell loops
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for ourselves. And Jesus even said, right, the kingdom is here and
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now the kingdoms and you too shall
do greater things than onne. Well,
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if that's the case, and how
come seven million Christians haven't been able or
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how very many Christians are ever there
there are? Right, haven't been able
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to create heaven on earth? The
promises is it's here now? Well,
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it's because of the program that's reinforced. And when religions into a box,
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it limits it and it's been sold
as you have to wait to die in
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order to go to heaven. That's
not what Jesus said. Jesus said that
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the Kingdom is here and now,
which means that, Okay, if the
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Kingdom is here and now and I'm
not seeing it, which is heaven,
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then that must mean I'm in hell
and how do I get out? Wow?
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That's that is a heck of a
thought. So you started in religion,
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moved away from it, looked into
touau and national projection of remote viewing,
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all that kind of stuff, and
then found your way back. Were
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baptized. But I'm hearing that religion
is not really your thing, but rather
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a spirituality. Right. So one
of the messaging that I get all the
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time from people who are uber religious
is why are you looking into that stuff?
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That all that stuff is the toroau, that's all the devil, that's
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the devil's work. So how do
you reconcile that within yourself? It's easy
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because I've played in those areas.
I understand that the terureau is just understanding
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their arcana in the seventy two major
arcana that make up the human psyche,
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and that they aren't of the devil. They are just tools to remind us
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of if this card comes up,
then I should probably take a look at
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that within my own psyche and understand
why am I doing this, Why am
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I seeing this, Where is this
showing up in my life? And how
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do I improve upon it? How
do I come into awareness and harmony with
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it. They're not tools to use
to worship the devil. Right, God
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created everything? Right, God created
everything? Then how did we come to
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tourou? Now A lot of people
argue that that was man made. I
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argue that they were tools that man
used as a mechanism to better understand their
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relationship with God. And that's it, and it's for me God. God
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was God. God's not a choice. Salvation is God, but God is
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not a choice. You can't remove
God from reality. Right when we do,
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we get the chaos. We get
the chaos of the world. And
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if we're stuck in our own personal
hell because we removed God and we're left
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to our own constructs, then how
do we get out of that? Well,
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One, we have to realign ourselves
with the divine and then we have
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to start understanding who we are,
unprogramming our own behaviors, become more in
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alignment with God and that purpose.
Because when we do. Spirit guides us.
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We don't have to. We don't
have to do anything. I live
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a very blessed life because of that, because I lean into spirit. I
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trust God to do that for me. It was that the monarcer of Christ.
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I accepted Christ because he gave us
two rules, and the church threw
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a whole bunch more on top of
it. But the two rules that Christ
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Christ gave to us right, love
God, love each other. And the
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only way that we can do that
is understanding ourselves, understanding our biases,
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understanding our own judgments, understanding our
own fears, and coming into alignment and
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a frequency of love that allows us
to connect with everybody outside of the zone
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A judgment says, if you're not
me, then you're a big, bad
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and scary because the fact of the
matter is is that the people that we
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see in our life are just a
reflection of ourselves. And believe it or
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not, when you work through those
different layers, those people that you're seeing
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in your reality, if those are
types, no longer see, no longer
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serve you, Those people just magically
disappear and fade away from your life.
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It's magic, you said a mouthful. I believe like you. I believe
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that the toureau, all these things
are tools. Right. The underlying message
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in this show has always been that
we're finding that we're all saying the same
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thing in just using different words.
The challenge comes when I've never made it
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a secret that I'm not an organized
religion type of guy. It just didn't
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work for me. Didn't fit for
me. If it fits for you,
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wonderful. Where I have a challenge, though, is when someone says to
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me or anyone, that this is
the only route to take. And that's
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where I start then unplugging because I
know differently. I have spoken to a
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lot of people that are on a
very different path. I've spoken to people
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that are on the complete opposite path, but their focus is be a good
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person, be a good person,
and help other people, because of the
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end of the day, what you're
doing is helping yourself. And we are
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all one, right, We've all. Everyone talks about the fact we all
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one, we all part of God, we all come from God, we
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all come from the Divine and we
you and I sitting across from our computers
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to each other, we are the
same person in a different personage. And
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the sooner that we start realizing that
the better off we're going to be.
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That's yeah, well absolutely, and
it's it's the idea that anybody else outside
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of yourself, whether it be organized
religion, friends, or shared beliefs,
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whatever, can tell you who or
what your relationship with God is is silly.
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It's a personal relationship that you have
to have. No one else can
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tell you what that looks like.
No one else can define that for you.
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For me, I had that relationship
connection with God through through Christ right,
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but I'm not a believer that that's
the only way. It's a tool,
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it's what resonates with me. I
can identify it. I see the
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power in it, but I also
pool from other things and why I'm able
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to do what I do because I
see the value in it. And that's
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what in our community is really designed
to do that. It's designed to support
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those Regardless of what your walk is, whatever that path looks like, it's
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a lot easier to do it alone, do it by yourself rather than alone
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or find yourself amongst a big box
church or religion that you don't fully agree
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with, but to be able to
get the support that you need in that
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personal journey for yourself because it is
just that it is, and I believe
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it's lily that it's going to change
the world. Is that personal, personal
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journey with spirit with the divine that
it's going to bring us closer together in
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unity? Yep, I couldn't agree
with you more. I salute you for
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what you're doing with your community,
because you do have a lot for a
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lot of people, and you guys
are doing a lot of great things for
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a lot of folks. So thank
you for putting it out there. Thank
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you for coming on the show.
If someone wants to reach out to you
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or experience their community, what's the
best way to do it? Best way
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to do it is go to Superpowerexperts
dot com. You can use the chat
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feature at the bottom of the page
here to to reach out and send any
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one of our hosts the messages as
well. Connect with me there as well.
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Just say time in and say hey, I want to connect with Justin
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or go to the app. Download
the app where you can stream all of
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our content and our classes on the
Superparer Network app. Just it's in the
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app. Stort go to superpart dot
com. Yeah, there's just so much
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there, just so much there that
we could. I mean, we do,
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we dove down into each of the
individual things that you offer on that
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site. We would be here at
least a month because it just there's just
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so much I would I would encourage
you to take a look for yourself.
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There's a lot of really incredible resources
right there that are readily available to anyone
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who wants to So, Justin,
I'm honored that you came on the show.
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Thank you very much for coming on
and spending some time with us something
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for having me well, I want
to thank you for coming along on this
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journey of discovery. We'd love to
continue our conversation with you on social media,
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so if you'd like to connect with
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can do so at Skeptic Metaphysition or
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where you can find direct links to
those social media platforms and those of our
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guests. We'll also add Justin's websites
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you just go to the show notes
there and hit the direct link to go
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directly to his site. Makes it
super easy. As always, if you
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know someone that would benefit from hearing
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it will help grow the show and
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with the fact that we're all so
much more than justice three dimensional world and
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body that we have. Now,
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as well as a chance to never
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published. Well, folks, hope
you've enjoyed this episode as much as I
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have. Sadly, it's all we
have the time for. Thanks again for
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joining us, and we'll see you
on the next episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician.
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Until then, and take good care.