Make Me a Perfect Murder

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Welcome to the Shabby Detective, yet another Columbo podcast. I'm
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your host. Mike White joined me. Of course, is mister Christashue.
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Could be a concussion? My doctor says he does not know.
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On this episode, we are talking about make Me a
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Perfect Murder. It is the third episode of the seventh season,
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directed by your old friend James Frawley. Came out February
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twenty fifth, nineteen seventy eight. It is a ninety seven
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minute episode and my god, you can feel the padding
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so much, including the opening scene this one. I had
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the pleasure of reading the script for none of this
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shit with the quote unquote high speed chase and Colombo
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getting in the neck brace. None of that was in here.
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Can you believe it? Chris?
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I wonder why? So?
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It does absolutely nothing to help move the story along.
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Is this the worst episode of Colombo?
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Come on, don't forget about the commodore here. Thank you
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for forcing me to remember. This One's not great.
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No, it's not. I was just editing our last episode
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and I ended that episode saying I don't remember anything
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about this one, and I'll tell you. When this started,
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I go, oh, the gun in the elevator, So I
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remember the last five minutes of this episode. That's about
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it has. We are just recycling from earlier episodes. I'm
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surprised you didn't get Chuck McCann back to be the projectionist.
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This is right out of that. I'm surprised that they
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didn't use subliminal messages to get her to think about
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the gun and the elevator.
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Yeah. I'm disappointed Robert Culp isn't in this one as well,
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given the I mean again the screening of the movie
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of it All, because wasn't that also, Yeah, well that
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was the Robert Colp thing with Chuck mccannon. So yeah,
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I'm more disappointed we didn't invite Father Malone to be
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on this episode with us, given he was supposed to
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be on that one. This is the only other projection
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Booth episode I'm assuming. I do like that we get
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to hear someone say the projection booth at one point
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in this episode, which is nice. If you ever want
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to mine another one, Mike, there you go. But yeah,
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this episode is not good. I did not really enjoy
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it a whole lot. And why Lady Kazan is in
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this episode is I was shocked that that went nowhere
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because I haven't seen an episode of the show where
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it has an extended subplot that goes nowhere. This is
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the first. This this episode is pretty bad.
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Yeah, it has absolutely nothing to do with the plot.
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And we get the return of Patrick O'Neil, who we
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saw as a murderer. He murdered Forrest Tucker and tried
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to bury his body and the building that they were
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setting up. And here he is again as this high
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powered TV executive offering a job to who's at Lawrence,
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Luck and Bill, And this episode is basically addressing the
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glass ceiling, but not doing a very good job at
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it because the person who's not getting a job she
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doesn't really seem very qualified at all. Like when they
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run the movie that she thinks is going to really
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help out the network, it tanks and she's also a murderer.
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Not only does a tank, but it's blamed directly on
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her for tanking. It is directly your fault for this
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film taking. Like I mean, that is in a way
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how the process and system works, but it is not
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one singular person's decision. The way that film and TV
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likes to break itself down, I think that's the way
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I look at it. Like film and TV likes to
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simplify its own process for theatrics and dramatics. But it's
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not this simple, and it's never it never is. There
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are many hands in the pot. Go watch any documentary
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about failed films or successful films. They just one or
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two people.
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It's a whole bunch of people. Yeah. Though you know
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the old saying what is a success has many fathers
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while failure only has one mother. That seems to be this.
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I was gonna say failure is an orphan even that's
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the one that I've heard, or you know, success has
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many fathers and failure has a guy sticking car keys
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in a tequila sunrise or a glass of grapefruit juice,
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I guess is what it is. I'm not sure what
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they're drinking. To your point, it's almost like this episode
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did nothing to engage me, so I honestly, by the
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end of it, it was just like I couldn't care less
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about what's going on here. And Trisha van Dervert, she's fine,
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but we've seen better female killers in this show, and
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I would say the script does not suit her here.
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It's not really her fault.
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She's also post SYNCD through this entire thing, and you
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can just hear it so much like whenever Colombo talks,
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he's pretty much that live audio. Whenever she talks, it
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is one post sync sound. I don't know what happened,
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why they read her redo reloop all of her lines,
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but they sure did, and man it is very distracting.
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Yeah, it doesn't help out an already poorly written performance,
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you know. And again it's on the page that it's
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the problem. It's not her performance that's the issue. Like
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she's a great actress, obviously she's George c Scott's widow.
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And noticed it in a couple spots curious your thoughts,
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the George c Scott cameo that supposedly is here, but
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maybe is here that doesn't. Actually, I don't know if
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you found anything more about that than I could, but
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it's said that it's possibly the case, but it was
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maybe not the case. It shows up on the Wikipedia
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at least one or two other places.
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So the only thing that I noticed was another thing
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from the Wikipedia that this is the last episode to
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feature Mike Lally, who I didn't realize we have seen
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him on screen twenty eight times by this point. I
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have never noticed this man, he's the guy who in
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this episode comes in and looks he's a security guard
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and he's looking at a magazine. I believe it is very,
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very quick little thing. But he's been in, like I said,
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twenty eight episodes. He just shows up, usually in the background,
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maybe has a line or two, and I'm just like, wow,
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another one in Columbo's Friends or Peter Falk's Friends that
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I just never noticed was here. As opposed to Bruce Kirby,
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who is in another completely unnecessary's seen what is this
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shit with dog likes to watch television. I don't have
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a fucking like is you know what?
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And this is this is the thing that I wonder
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like it wouldn't have been better at times to lean
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more into this with Colombo. No, like no, he does
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not work as this kind of character for me, like
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you know. And that's that's the thing I've wondered, because
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you know, when we talk about a show that's adjacent
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to this one in a way, Poker Face, those moments
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in that show work like the kind of connected mythos
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of the show I think actually works in this show.
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I don't really have any interest of seeing Colombo doing
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things outside of pace driven stuff. Not because Peter folks
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not interesting, but because every time they've done it, for
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the most part, it's not interesting, and especially more you know,
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more recently of late, it's really not interesting when we
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into these scenes. I for one, am disappointed because early
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on in the run of this show we had Tim
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Carey with Colombo talking about bowls of chili and that,
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you know, we've referenced that god knows how many times
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at this point, but the show itself just seems like
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it can't be bothered anymore to do anything like that.
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But hey, he's whistling this old man, Mike. I know
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that you had mentioned that the show was going to
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take a turn and that the show was going to
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have this moment where things started to hit the wall
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as it were, creatively, and I didn't expect it to
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be so drastic. But it does almost feel like this
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show is being written by people who watched the show
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when it was on the first six seasons up into
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this point, but aren't nearly as talented as the people
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who were writing before. It's readily apparent because the show's
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quality has really, I hate to say this, but plummeted
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in the last two seasons but really this season, it's
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like it's a stark contrast from even something like, like
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you said, Last Loute to the Commodore, Like I would
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rather have that than this, genuinely because at least that episode,
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at least.
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That episode still feels like Colombo. But it doesn't. It's
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got that whole weird shit where he's trying to meditate
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and he's like laying down on the dock and everything.
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Next minutes shorter, there is that Chris in Last Flute
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to the Commodore. You don't get the ballet of sine
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waves that we have for probably six minutes in this episode.
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This goes on for fucking ever.
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No kidding, no kidding, Yeah, it's I genuinely am jocked
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by the level of weird shit that this episode tries
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to pass off as interesting. And that's the stuff with
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Laney Kazan is up there like sine wave things is
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up there like I and again, you know, we go
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back to the cameras of it all. There's this moment
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where she is talking Trish Vandvir is talking with Colombo
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and she's in the booth and he's trying to get
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her to come out and she's switching between all the
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cameras and I feel like I'm gonna throw up. It's
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so overwhelming visually what's going on, Like, I'm not sure
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who this episode is for, because I know that they're
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trying to make this like again a very very much
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like a technology thing, like lean into the technology of
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the times and this is seventy eight. But I'm not
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super interested in them remining the same ground again of
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you know, utilizing cameras and in the projection booth, you know,
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changing the the reels and stuff like, yeah, it was
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interesting when you did it last time, but it's not
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interesting enough for you to validate doing it a second time.
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It's really not. This is probably one of the more
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sloppy murders, you know, maybe maybe as sloppy as Ruth Gordon,
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but like this whole thing, like everything just points against her, right,
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it's super.
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Obvious who is committed this crime from the moment he
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steps on screen.
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There's the whole thing about the glove and how tidy
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the guy runs his projection booth and you know, what
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is this glove doing here? And then there's like, well,
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of course there's a talk about you know, my my
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wife's nephew wants to be a filmmaker, YadA YadA, And
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at least we have a little bit of that stuff,
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but I still don't get the whole thing of like
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the changeover, that she screwed up the changeover, and he
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doesn't realize that until he's at Bruce Kirby's television repair
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place and watching the movie on TV. Like we were
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talking last episode about the well, shouldn't he catch something
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on television or rerun? Oh that's what it was of
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the Gourmet talking about blowfish on television. And then you know,
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like coming back to that like this whole like, oh,
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she made the change over two seconds early. That never
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adds up to anything, but yet they treat it like
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it's this huge revelation, whereas really I think what sinks
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her the most is having her dry cleaning delivered to
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the dead man's house. And that's what tips off Colombo, Like, Colombo,
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were you not going to do any sort of forensic
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accounting and find out that this guy had bought a
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car for this woman and that they were bumping uglies
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all the time? I mean, of course, like when we
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first see him, he's laying on the couch with the script,
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with his glasses up and just is recreating this crime
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and kind of throws her off almost immediately. And then
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he starts talking about, oh, it's like the little voice
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in your head, and he's obviously making a reference to
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her listening to that tape of her own voice, which
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is a weird conceit of her counting off the time
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that she has to do this crime. But that never
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comes back. He never finds the tape, So why is
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he even bringing that up?
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The way that he ultimately catches her is so it's
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so lazy because the ways that you just mentioned were
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so much more interesting. Is it even explained how they
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see the gun in the elevator? Is it even is
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it even explain how the gun in the elevator is
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addressed and how Columble finds it all of a sudden,
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it's like, there's the gun in the elevator.
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No, he does, he gives it. He does the classic
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screenwriting thing. He tells he doesn't show because he says, oh, yeah,
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it must have moved because of the elevator having a
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bumpy ride or something. And I'm like, what, Like, it's.
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So unbelievably lazy that we don't actually get an explanation
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as to how the gun is found. But the gun
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ends up being the thing that sinks her because the
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gun is up there. She is in the elevator with
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Colombo at one point. It's and it's what's so lazy
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about this scene for me, is at one point Columbu's
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looking at her and it's a reverse shot of her
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looking at him, and she literally looks up her eyes
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look up at the gun, and it's like Columba would
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have seen her do that. And if they had said
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that was why the gun was found, Okay, got it.
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I understand. It's never explained how they found the gun.
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We just like you said here from Colombo. Oh, by
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the way, we found the gun. We took the gun down,
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put another gun up there, and put a camera and
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filmed it. And then you went and came and took
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it and then it was gone, so we knew it
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was you. Like, Okay, fine, I can believe that. However,
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I need a better explanation as to how you got
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to that point because you're not giving me much to
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work with here.
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And you just gilded the lily a little bit there
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because you said, oh, they took a camera and filmed
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her no, it was still images, like had they had
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a video camera in the elevator to be like, here,
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here's the fucking footage of you fishing that gun.
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No, no, but it was. It's that worst thing, like you said,
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it's worse than that because it's the they went They
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were doing it to show what they were doing when
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Colombo puts the gun in there, and then they film
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it after just because she was there. It's like, okay,
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so like you already knew, you know what it is.
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It's those fucking keys from Ruth Gordon's yard.
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You know.
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It's the Oh we took a picture of this sprinkler. Oh,
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and here it is again with the keys now and
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in this case it's the absence of the gun instead
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of the appearance of the keys.
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Again, like this is like you mentioned so much a
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we've seen this before. I don't know why we're needing
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to see it again because this is a murder mystery. Like,
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let's just take a step back, right, this is a
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murder mystery show. So you can continue to do the
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same kind of things over and over again, but you
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have to dress them up in a different way as
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to not feel trite, because if you have a murder
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like this with project like, this is an oddly specific
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thing again to do. You could set this anywhere, and
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they're choosing to set it here in this way to
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do this. It's like, I don't understand why we keep
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coming back to these same like five or six stomping
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grounds when the world is so open for this show
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with a murder mystery. You want there to be some variety.
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That's where these things become interesting, not because you're doing
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the same thing over and over again. That feels lazy comparatively,
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like that feels like late season Murder, she wrote with
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Jessica Fletcher, where it's so lazy that she, you know,
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Angela Lansbury is just like and while I'm off doing
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something else, here's another episode where I'm building it and
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get money, but I don't actually have to star in it.
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Like that's like, that's what we're talking about, Like lazy
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where you just don't want to write anything at all.
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I get it, But this is like, why are we
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just doing this oddly specific thing again? It doesn't really
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serve a purpose.
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Coms in, she flips the projectors, we do the whole
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real switch. She takes off her glove, she just throws
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her glove away. She doesn't even put it in her
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fucking pocket. And then that glove, she never picks it up.
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It's just laying there on the floor. I mean, it's
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just one sloppy move after another after another after another.
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And then when the news starts to close in on
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her towards the end of the show, she's freaking the
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fuck out. Her shows up with the license plate a
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number one. She runs away like she's the most guilty
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person I've ever seen on a Columbo show.
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It's almost comical how guilty she makes herself look by
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just making herself look guilty. I don't know how to
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explain it, Like she's making herself look guilty by making
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herself look guilty, like by just acting like someone who
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murdered the person there investigating the murder of.
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And I can't believe I'm going to this level. But
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some of the first production design that I've seen, like
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that CNC, which I guess is there, you know, station
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instead of CBS at CNC, and that logo is plastered everywhere,
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and I'm just like, if I was in the CNC office,
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I'm sure that they have posters of other shows that
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they would be running. But they never really show anything
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other than yeah, the Lady Kazan stuff, which it just
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feels like asked off from Scrooge to the way that
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they're shooting this thing. Interesting to see Ron Rifkin, young
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Ron Rifkin, and here as the director of that. Who
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I guess is he supposed to be kind of a
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Spielberg stand in? Are they still mining that thing where
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we're making references to Spielberg.
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I don't know. I don't know who that's I guess,
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if I have any guests, it is probably Spielberg. But
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they don't do anything with it.
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And they don't talk about other shows that are on
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the network or ratings or this or that.
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So many opportunities to do tongue in cheek stuff and
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they just let those opportunities go whistling by, And I
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don't understand why. Again, I don't understand why unless it's
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just chalked up to the lack of quality writing at
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this point. And I think when we talk about a
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show like this with the quality of writing, I think
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what stands out is your ability to write Colombo as
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a character and then put him in a world that
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makes sense for that character to be and because you're
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building the world around the character. And I think that's
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the right way to do it, because these kinds of
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characters often have to live in a specific kind of
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world where sometimes certain kinds of rules that exist in
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our real world don't necessarily matter. We've talked about this
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so many times with Colombo and maybe has made our
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audience a little frustrated at us. But these people are
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not going to jail after the credits.
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Oh, she says that.
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But this is one of the few times where we
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get in an emission of that which almost again to
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go against the logic of this show. There's a level
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of fantastical realism here where they're admitting to Colombo at
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the end of the episode that they have done the murder,
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and in the court of public opinion of this show,
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that's enough. But we have joked about it multiple times
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that if that's the case, there's just a wing of
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the of a you know, San Quentin with all these
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people that have been put there by Colombo, which is
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not the case in reality. Most of these people would
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probably be suing the LAPD for entrapment because this guy
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is using evidence and in some of these people are entrapped.
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Some of these people would never go to prison, wouldn't
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stay a day in jail, because the evidence that Colombo
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has even to catch them at the end is circumstantial.
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Not all of them admit and confess to him directly.
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Plenty of them don't confess directly. They are just caught
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in a lie and then they admit it for the
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sake of the narrative on the TV show. But my
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point being like, this episode tries to have a real
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where it's like, I'm going to fight this. It's like, what,
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That's not part of this show's makeup. That's not how
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this show works. At the end of the show, it's
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assumed that you are going to jail because Colombo has
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passed judgment on you. And that's the world that Colombo
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lives in as a character, and it works. That's the
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world that's been constructed around him by Lincoln Levinson initially,
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and it worked. But when you try to picket that stuff,
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it doesn't work. And that's why I think partially this
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episode doesn't work for me is that the people who
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wrote it don't understand the character and really don't understand
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how he interacts in the world that he is occupying
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because you have to write to the character. You can't
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write around the character. You have to write to him,
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especially if he's this specific of a kind of character.
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But hey, Mike, he's whistling that old man once again.
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Well, I wonder if her fighting it that little speech
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at the end. I wonder if we're supposed to sympathize
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with her because of her being over for this promotion.
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I don't know. I wonder if that's some sort of
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like it's interesting, like she We've talked so many times
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before about criminals who tried to help out Colombo or
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who tried to wrong foot him with different things, and
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in this one, she's got one thing. When Columbo comes
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in to her office, she brings out this big old
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folder of crank letters which are talking about, you know,
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all the violence on TV and how these people are
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so angry and how they're going to go after this
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guy and like, oh, yeah, he had tons of enemies.
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And here we are, just what three months ago, we're
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talking about the storyteller and talking about violence on TV.
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And you've got the projectionist here talking about like, oh
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I turned on TV and this guy was going to
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shoot himself in the head and we get that constantly
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and the professional it looks like a very very violent show,
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and I'm just like, Okay, well, there's your opportunity to
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actually talk about violence on television. Also there's your opportunity
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to take swipes at a producer and the fickle nature
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of television. Like you, this should be a very meta
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episode where you're talking about ratings and maybe even go
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back to that thing we talked about with William Shatner
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where it's just like, this guy gets away with everything,
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and just like, really make it pointed about Colombo, or
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make it pointed about the producers, and maybe talk about,
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you know how shitty some of the producers are. Take
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aim at somebody that you have, but they don't want
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to do anything. It's like, there's no teeth to this
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dog's mouth. It's just chompinhatch and you're just like, what
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else you got paled? There's nothing there.
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It's even worse than that because they also approach the
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opportunity and miss it completely to talk about, like you
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mentioned in the opening of this episode, the glass ceiling.
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Because again we have female characters Trish Van Derveer and
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Laney Gazon, which again Laney is On is criminally criminally
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wasted in this episode, because hey, playing drunk Mike your favorite.
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I know, you know how much I love.
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That playing it just you know, like the most obvious
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drunk of drunks. She might as well be drinking out
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of a jug that says triple X on it, you know,
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is really that it's really that lazy.
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H Meanwhile, they've got the cartoon musical.
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Lady Kazan is tripping and falling all over herself in
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a way that is, you know, very lazy in terms
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of writing drunk characters. But all that to be said,
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it's more of an issue that you have two female characters,
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one who is meant to be a successful singer who
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is again being just criminally underwritten or written I guess
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criminally underwritten or written poorly, depending on how you want
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to look at it. And then you have Trish Vanderveer, who,
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like we said, she is passed over by a promote
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for a promotion by an asshole man who just think,
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goes here, honey, here's a car as opposed to a promotion, which,
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by the way, ain't enough that yeah, that those two
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things are not equal at all, And instead of, like
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you've said, addressing it in terms of dealing with the
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glass ceiling. They kind of talk about it for about
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a second, get uncomfortable with the idea of having a
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genuine conversation about it, and then just ignore it for
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the rest of the episode. And that's a bummer because
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for me, you have an opportunity here. If you're not
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going to do the movie TV producing angle, do that angle,
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because that's an easy layup of an opportunity to take
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to task the industry, and you know, you know, maybe
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have her get away with it. Maybe don't make her
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so kind of reprehensible as a character, Maybe make her
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a little bit more sympathetic. I don't know, just don't
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do this this being nothing at all and kind of
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just feeling like a waste of an hour and a half.
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That's the This is one of the worst hour and
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a half I've spent in a while. That's how bad
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this episode is, genuinely.
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And with Lady Kinzan, she didn't have to be drunk.
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She could have just been quote unquote difficult. Because there
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have been so many actresses that are considered difficult, and
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it's probably because they have a fucking brain in their
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head and want things the way that they want them.
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I'm always concerned and always questioning when I hear about
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specific actresses where it's just like, oh, yeah, they're very
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difficult to work with, And I'm like, are they difficult
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or do they actually want something and they aren't being
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given what they want? You know, Like I think of
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Linda Fiorentino. Maybe she's a bitch on wheels. Maybe she's
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just wants things the way that she wants it. I
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don't know, but yeah, she didn't have to be a drunk.
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She could have had some other problem. I don't know,
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but yeah, they really and they don't do krish Van
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Devere any favors either, because she treats sex so transactional
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because basically she just is like, well, I was giving
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you this, like pointing at her crotch, basically like I'm
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giving you this, you know, puppy ray here, where's the job?
479
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And it's just like, oh wow, that's really cold, and
480
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like again, they're not doing anything to make me like
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this woman, even though I kind of want to like.
482
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And the other thing that really was driving me crazy
483
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:24.319
is how in awe Colombo is about real changes when
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he's seen that twice now between Chuck McCann, the whole
485
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nickel and the projector thing, and then also the Forgotten Lady.
486
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Like I thought, you know, when he sees the glove
487
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and he says like, oh, did somebody make a splice?
488
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Somebody fix the film? I'm like, yeah, remember when Janet
489
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:46.319
Lee was fixing the film and that the whole time differential,
490
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like how she ran out and did the murder and
491
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then came back and had to splice the film and
492
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.279
put it back on and all those things he knew
493
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.960
about real changes back then. Why is this suddenly new
494
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information for him? There's no consistency in this character.
495
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.000
Well, that was the other question I was going to ask, because,
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like you just mentioned, there are opportunities to mention the
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things we've seen before, and there's none of it. If
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00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.519
you're not gonna do it sometimes, don't do it other times.
499
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:19.960
But that's again the problem here. Robert Bleese's script and
500
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this episode it's not written by other people. It's written
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by Robert Blees. So there you go. If he doesn't
502
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want to, he's not going to. And if it wasn't
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a requirement from you know, those on high as it were,
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the powers that be they're not going to include it
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00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:38.839
because what does it ultimately matter, not at all, especially
506
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.680
you know, not at the time that was not the expectation. Now,
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00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.400
we'd like for that to be the case, because we'd
508
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.799
like for there to be some consistency. We'd like for
509
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the people who are working on the show then to
510
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be held to the same standard we hold people to now.
511
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.440
But I just don't think people put the same expectation
512
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on content. And that's unfortunate because, like you said, we
513
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.000
get stuff like this where it's just lazy. But you
514
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.720
when you make something, you should expect that it's not
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You should expect and want for it to stick around
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for more than after it's done airing. And so you know,
517
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:11.599
with something like this, it's just like, man, you had
518
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an hour and an give me and you an hour
519
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.480
and a half to do Colombo. Like, seriously, give anybody
520
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.319
at the time an hour and a half. But this
521
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.759
is just not not a best foot forward in any capacity,
522
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not at all.
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00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.160
That whole thing with the neck brace was we don't
524
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.160
see Colombo until thirty minutes into this episode. We have
525
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.079
to get him in sooner, and then the neck brace
526
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.400
just he keeps having misunderstandings that people are talking about
527
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.880
something else. They're talking about the murder and he's talking
528
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.480
about his neck brace. I'm like, oh my god, please
529
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.960
please for me.
530
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.960
I you know, I know, I know you said, oh
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this is you know, Commodore, that a worse episode. I
532
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.359
think that this is worse in a different way. This
533
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.720
is worse than the I don't understand what makes this
534
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.960
show good, and I am on the way out like
535
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.599
the Commodore. The problem with the Commodore obviously was that
536
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.799
the Commodore was in you know, season five. So where
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00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.359
there are still some good episodes, the good episodes have
538
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.680
been kind of at a premium at this point. I'm
539
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.799
not expecting to get a lot of good episodes moving
540
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.839
forward given what you've said. So this being kind of
541
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:27.000
not great, I guess is the new expectation. If not
542
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.440
the kind of the norm that we're gonna get moving forward,
543
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.759
we're gonna get people who don't understand the character, not
544
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.359
writing the character very well.
545
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:43.359
And are you familiar with the term dead pat bounce? No, okay,
546
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.200
I think it comes from maybe a financial thing, like
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when you're looking at a stock that's coming down and
548
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.799
coming down and then right at the end, it does
549
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.839
a little bounce, comes back up and then goes down.
550
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.799
Like a corpse shutter, like a little like you know, okay, okay, god, yeah, yeah,
551
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:01.640
I get it now.
552
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.680
In my opinionet our next episode, How to Dial a Murder,
553
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.279
also directed by James Frawley. By the way, I think
554
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.359
that's the dead cap bounce of this season of Colombo.
555
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.480
It's been a while since I've seen it, but it's
556
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.079
Nicole Williamson as our criminal, and I seem to remember
557
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.640
liking it quite a bit. I want to say, maybe
558
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.920
even at Begley Junior comes back in the next episode,
559
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.519
which which is nice, Oh nice, okay, but yeah, I'm curious,
560
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:37.759
and then after that flatline, if anything, it's it's a negative.
561
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:43.400
The last episode, surprisingly, Colombo goes out on the wettest
562
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:47.480
of wet farts you can possibly like, you better check
563
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.240
your pants, buddy, because this really is not good. It's
564
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.839
it's that scene from what was the Johnny Knoxville Bad
565
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.680
Grandpa movie or Old Grandpa whatever that was. I get
566
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.519
that mixed up with the Robert de Niro one and Grandpa. Yeah,
567
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.240
it's it's when he sharts on the wall, like that's
568
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.400
the conspirators, but I think we have a good one
569
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:11.119
next month when we talk about how to dial a murder.
570
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.200
Well, I was gonna say Nicol Williamson is a great actor,
571
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.960
but I do have belief of a dead cat bound.
572
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.480
You know, there's always the outlier, as it were in
573
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.960
the in the final you know, in the in the
574
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.480
final waning moments. You know, there's often a last gasp
575
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.000
moment with shows, especially shows like this, where there's not
576
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.880
any connective tissue, where every every episode can be different.
577
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:35.720
I mean that's the thing. You know, this is a
578
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:40.079
anthology show with a character who shows up from episode
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00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.440
to episode, but this is ultimately an anthology show. And
580
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.519
we've spent a lot of time with anthology shows, just
581
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.960
not in this format. I mean, this is the closest
582
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.319
you get to in horror. Anthology that's not horror is
583
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:55.200
murder mysteries, especially with this format, and so it's not surprising.
584
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.160
It's disappointing. But if this were a serialized show, then
585
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.240
I think we'd be having a much different conversation because
586
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.319
rarely with serialized shows, in the late seasons, when the
587
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:09.400
show starts really struggling to be successful in any capacity,
588
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.839
most of the time. At that point, it's like there's
589
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.599
nothing anybody can do to write the ship here. Like
590
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.279
with a show like this, there's still plenty of runway
591
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.400
for people to have good episodes. So I'm excited, and
592
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.440
I'm sure there will be as we continue past this season,
593
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:29.480
some possible dead Cat bounces of their own. But yeah,
594
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.200
this is not it. This is this is the dead cat.
595
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.119
This is the dead cat going out the window. Really,
596
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:37.559
I was gonna ask you, because you know you mentioned
597
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.640
the conspirators, so obviously that's the That's a pretty poor episode.
598
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:44.200
I'm assuming if you could have had this show end,
599
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.240
would you have had it end at season four or
600
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:49.039
season five?
601
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.799
Oh boy, Now I gotta go back and look at
602
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:58.440
season five and see what's is the patient worth saving? Do?
603
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.400
He's in five ends with the Commodore. Season four ends
604
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.039
with Deadly State of Mind.
605
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.559
Now I do like a Case of Immunity. I think
606
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.159
I liked that one more than you, and I liked
607
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.159
A Matter of Honor, the one with Ricardo Montlebon, and
608
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.920
I like now you see him the Great Santini with
609
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.599
Jack Cassidy. I think I would have stopped. Well, got that.
610
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.599
That means the last Salute to the Commodore would have
611
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.880
been the last episode. I think that's okay, because I
612
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.320
don't think that's the one where Colombo is rowing out
613
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.199
to see at the end, but it might as well
614
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:41.880
have been. Yeah, that's tough, man. I think I might have.
615
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.360
I think I might like Last Salute to the Commodore
616
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.760
better than the Conspirators. I'm not sure.
617
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:52.559
I think unless the Conspirators is somehow, I mean, I
618
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.280
guess it could be worse than Yeah, I think. I mean,
619
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.840
I guess it can be worse is my expectation. So
620
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.559
I'm kind of with you. I haven't I would come
621
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.559
at it from a different angle. We haven't really seen
622
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.960
any episode since the Last Loud to the Commodore that
623
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.519
have been like this is worth saving out of this bunch.
624
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:12.480
And that's too bad, because again this show, there's no
625
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.880
guarantee that episode episode they needed to be bad, but
626
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.599
they've just been kind of lackluster. And it's such a
627
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.000
disappointment because yes, we get to see more Peter Folk
628
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.480
as Colombo, but at some point that is even going
629
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:30.039
to stop being a thing that is something we care about, unfortunately,
630
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.599
and I know that's coming. Two episodes with.
631
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.159
Season six, It gives you, it gives you bye by
632
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.519
Skyhigh IQ Murder Case, which has that incredible performance by
633
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:46.360
Jamie Lee Curtis but really good Theodore bikel But that
634
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.199
also gives us fade into Murder, which is one of
635
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.639
my favorite episodes. So I would probably cut it off
636
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:57.719
after season six. Yeah, oh yeah, okay. I mean that
637
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.480
does have that horrible old fashioned murder in the middle
638
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:03.159
of there, but it's just those three episodes. Yeah, I
639
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.719
could really do even with the one that we talked
640
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.880
about last time with Luijor Nan, I we could do
641
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.880
without that. I would be willing to sacrifice that if
642
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.599
it meant season seven never existed.
643
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:18.519
Season seven has been quite a tough one, and I'm
644
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.760
I'm not surprised. You had kind of alluded to as much,
645
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.280
you know, several times in the early runnings of this show,
646
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.320
but this has been a pretty drastic drop off, and
647
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.360
it's unfortunate because it feels just very much treading water,
648
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.920
spinning wheels however you want to look at it. But
649
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.800
that doesn't seem to be a whole lot of competency
650
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.360
at the wheel here with the script. Everybody, I think
651
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.960
in front of the cameras being asked to do whatever
652
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.280
they're doing, whatever they're being asked to do, just fine.
653
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.159
But the script writing at this point is just you
654
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.920
know that, that's where this is failing. Nothing else is
655
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.360
really like I mean, yeah, there's other stuff that's not great,
656
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.440
but if this is not short up in the script,
657
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.440
these episodes are just going to be pretty rough, and
658
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:58.119
they have been.
659
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.519
At least we've got a the script for this season.
660
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.800
We do have how to Dial a Murder, so I
661
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.400
will be reading that one before we venture into that
662
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.559
next episode. But yeah, until we come back and we
663
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.920
do some dog training, Chris sweat you up to these days?
664
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.880
Just a podcast in over at weirdingwaymedia dot com where
665
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:18.400
you can hear this show and all the other shows
666
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.000
that I work on, but more importantly, listen to the
667
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.760
shows I'm not on, like eighties TV Ladies, Rejection Booth,
668
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.119
Midnight Viewing. Yeah, there's a lot of things over there.
669
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.599
Just go go on over there, take a listen. In
670
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:33.280
some cases, take a look. If you're looking for midnight Viewing,
671
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.960
there's a video component to that as well. And yeah,
672
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.360
that's where you can find all the stuff that I
673
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.280
work on. What about you, Mike White.
674
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.079
Yeah, pretty much the same thing. Did you mention ranking
675
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.039
on Bond, the once a month exclusive that we do
676
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.400
at our patreons where we talk about James Bond. We
677
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.440
are just about to wrap that up. We'll still be
678
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.719
talking about Colombo, but we probably won't be talking about
679
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.119
James Bond too much longer. Well, boy, we're just about
680
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:03.000
to get into Specter, So I'm on by and enjoy
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that at patreon dot com slash Projection Booth or patroon
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