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Speaker 1: Right, let's go back to Karen Dolly, daily Maverick journalist to have a look at NARCO traffickers in South Africa. Karen, good afternoon to you again. Can you back with us?
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Speaker 2: I hope so again? Thank you, Mandy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you were talking us through the Global Report on Cocaine, what it tells us and how South Africa features prominently.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we know what features prominently the report a side we can actually see based on the drug interceptions and crackdowns, which are really great news, but it's also indicative of a much broader problem because what is being intercepted is likely only a small percent of what's actually moving around. And I'm not sure where I cut off earlier, but I was saying that shipping containers are used to smuggle drugs. But aside from getting the drugs onto the shore in South Africa, we've also had incidents where drugs have been offloaded from a ship into water and then I don't want to say games, but individuals then go out and retrieve these confinements of drugs on smaller boats.
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Speaker 1: What kind of level of police complicity or corruption are we seeing?
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Speaker 2: You know? I wish I could answer that concisely, but I think increasingly we're hearing about that from them at Lunger Commission, and what's coming out of the Commission is sort of adding to other suspicions, allegations, accusations. And we know for a long time there's been suspicions that police are siding with gangsters, for example. We know these suspicions police are siding with drug traffickers, and I think it's the first time we're really hearing a crystallized version of those suspicions on a national platform. I think that's unprecedented.
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Speaker 1: It does flag a durban harbor as a specific area of concern.
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Speaker 2: That's correct, and that Durban Harbor, if I do, stand to be corrected. But I believe it's the biggest harbor, one of the busiest harbors in Africa, and we're hearing from them at Lunger Commission about interceptions at the harbor. Now. Interestingly, I've written about urban harbor and cocaine for several years and we know it's connected to Brazil, and I recall once quite a few years ago, I asked the books about the route between the port of Santos, which is in Brazil and Durban and they've been aware of such ties, have been aware of that trafficking route for at least two decades, so this isn't anything new. I think what we are yurding, the extent and scope and scale of it, that's what's new.
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Speaker 1: Karen, thank you so much. Apologies for all of those technical difficulties. Karen Dolly, journalist at Daily Marrick, a very interesting report on how global narco traffickers are pushing cocaine through the port of Durban,
Speaker 1: Right, let's go back to Karen Dolly, daily Maverick journalist to have a look at NARCO traffickers in South Africa. Karen, good afternoon to you again. Can you back with us?
00:00:08
Speaker 2: I hope so again? Thank you, Mandy.
00:00:10
Speaker 1: Okay, So you were talking us through the Global Report on Cocaine, what it tells us and how South Africa features prominently.
00:00:19
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we know what features prominently the report a side we can actually see based on the drug interceptions and crackdowns, which are really great news, but it's also indicative of a much broader problem because what is being intercepted is likely only a small percent of what's actually moving around. And I'm not sure where I cut off earlier, but I was saying that shipping containers are used to smuggle drugs. But aside from getting the drugs onto the shore in South Africa, we've also had incidents where drugs have been offloaded from a ship into water and then I don't want to say games, but individuals then go out and retrieve these confinements of drugs on smaller boats.
00:01:00
Speaker 1: What kind of level of police complicity or corruption are we seeing?
00:01:04
Speaker 2: You know? I wish I could answer that concisely, but I think increasingly we're hearing about that from them at Lunger Commission, and what's coming out of the Commission is sort of adding to other suspicions, allegations, accusations. And we know for a long time there's been suspicions that police are siding with gangsters, for example. We know these suspicions police are siding with drug traffickers, and I think it's the first time we're really hearing a crystallized version of those suspicions on a national platform. I think that's unprecedented.
00:01:36
Speaker 1: It does flag a durban harbor as a specific area of concern.
00:01:42
Speaker 2: That's correct, and that Durban Harbor, if I do, stand to be corrected. But I believe it's the biggest harbor, one of the busiest harbors in Africa, and we're hearing from them at Lunger Commission about interceptions at the harbor. Now. Interestingly, I've written about urban harbor and cocaine for several years and we know it's connected to Brazil, and I recall once quite a few years ago, I asked the books about the route between the port of Santos, which is in Brazil and Durban and they've been aware of such ties, have been aware of that trafficking route for at least two decades, so this isn't anything new. I think what we are yurding, the extent and scope and scale of it, that's what's new.
00:02:22
Speaker 1: Karen, thank you so much. Apologies for all of those technical difficulties. Karen Dolly, journalist at Daily Marrick, a very interesting report on how global narco traffickers are pushing cocaine through the port of Durban,
