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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. I don't think that it's any surprise to
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anybody out there that there's still questions about what happened
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to Jeffrey Epstein at MCC. Now, the only people that
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have come forward to tell us that Jeffrey Epstein killed
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himself are the people that worked for the medical examiner's
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office at the time. Well, their findings have been disputed
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by multiple experts, including... Dr. Bodden. Well, it's not only Dr.
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Bodden who thinks that Jeffrey Epstein was killed, because now
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Michael Freeman, who is a professor and editor-in-chief of the
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Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine, plans on publishing the
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research that he's been doing after receiving the autopsy report
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and medical files from Mark Epstein. And frankly, this is
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what I've been asking for from the beginning. or real investigation.
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An independent investigation into the findings of the medical examiner
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and the people that were involved in claiming that Epstein
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killed himself. And then we can take what they have
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to say and compare it to the official narrative and
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see what's what. And wherever the evidence leads us, that's
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where I'm willing to go. I'm not bought into one
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theory or the other. I just think that him killing
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himself or him being talked into killing himself is a
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much more likely theory than Jeffrey Epstein taking his own life.
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And that comes from talking to many people who have
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known him throughout the years. And they've all said the
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same thing to me when I've talked to them. There
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is no way in hell that Jeffrey Epstein, Mr. Narcissism himself,
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who thought he was going to get off again, by
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the way, killed himself. And of course, that's not the
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be-all end-all, right? But it's part of the circumstantial evidence
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that leads me away from the official narrative. So I
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think that it's going to be very interesting to see
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what Mr. Freeman has to say. And when he releases
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his report, we're going to go through it line by line.
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And I've actually been in contact with a medical examiner myself.
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And once the report's released, that person is going to
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walk me through it before I get on here and
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start talking to you about it. That way I kind
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of have an idea, right? I'm certainly not some medical professional.
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So I like to have all my ducks in a
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row before I jump on the podcast and start waxing poetic.
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But I don't think you have to be Dr. Bodden
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or Dr. Freeman to understand that there is something very,
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very wrong with the narrative that we've been fed about
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Jeffrey Epstein's death. So today we have an article from
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CBS News and the headline, Professor to Present Epstein Findings
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That Raise Questions About Whether He Killed Himself. This article
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was authored by Daniel Rutnick and Graham Cates. A professor
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for forensic medicine who reviewed Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy records, plans
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to present findings that call into question the official conclusion
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that the disgraced sex abuser's death by hanging was a suicide,
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according to Epstein's brother. They looked at this whole thing.
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They looked at it scientifically. They truly investigated this, Mark
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Epstein told CBS News on Friday. Well, that would be
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nice if the government did that, huh? They were quick
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to try and get this shit closed, and it all
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dovetails directly into my theory about controlling the blast radius
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of this fiasco. That's always been the goal. It's never
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been about justice, and it's never been about transparency. And
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the only reason that we're seeing that now, or at
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least a semblance of it, is because you've demanded it.
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But short of that, we were never going to get
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any of this. Michael Freeman, a professor who was editor-in-chief
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of the Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine, plans to
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publish his research and the New York City Medical Examiner's
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autopsy files, which he obtained from Mark Epstein. after presenting
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his findings at the University College London on November 16th.
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So I haven't been privy to his research, so I
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don't want to jump the gun. But from what we
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already know, and what we've already uncovered, it doesn't seem
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very likely to me that Jeffrey Epstein hung himself. And
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I think that's really reflected when you read the depositions
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that were given to the OIG by the people that
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were working at the facility that night. None of it
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matches up. They're all trying to hide things. None of
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them want to tell the truth. And of course, there
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was no penalties for anybody. Oh, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas.
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Little suspended sentence. But did anyone really get in trouble?
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Has anything been fixed? Of course it hasn't. Mark Epstein
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told CBS News on Friday that Freeman's analysis bolstered his
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belief that his brother's death required a deeper investigation. The
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cause on Jeffrey Epstein's original death certificate They further studied
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it in detail. This kind of study hasn't been done before,
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Mark Epstein said. If this kind of study had been
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done before, they wouldn't have come up with the suicide conclusion.
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This report was not done on my behalf. They did
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this of their own volition. So according to Mark Epstein,
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that means there's no financial incentive as far as coming
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from Mark Epstein. This is a project that Mr. Freeman
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decided that he wanted to undertake. And according to him,
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His results don't match up with the official narrative. And
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to all the people that really aren't paying attention, this
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is what a cover-up looks like, okay? There's no Egyptian airplanes.
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There's no Sasquatch. What we have is hard evidence and
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circumstantial evidence that builds a foundation. And then you work
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from there. And I think that there is a strong
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foundation to build upon. Whether this report does that or not,
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we'll have to wait and see. Freeman's review highlights several
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details that make Epstein's death investigation unique for a suicide case,
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including that there were no photographs of Epstein's body at
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the scene of his death and the ligature used wasn't
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preserved or examined. Ligature refers to the rope or other
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material used to choke or bind the person. In Epstein's case,
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according to investigators, bedsheets were used and still not explained.
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How did he get all the bedsheets? The dude's in
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the shoe. He shouldn't be getting all these bedsheets. So
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who gave him those? Was it Tova Noel? Was it
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Michael Thomas? Was it Mr. Darden? And there's so many
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people that were there that day, that night, so many
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people that were involved in the lead up that we've
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never heard from. And I was hoping that we'd get
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that fixed with the congressional testimony, but we only heard
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from Tova Noel. What about Michael Thomas? What about the
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associate warden? What about the engineer? What about everybody else
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that was there? I guess you'd only talk to them
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if you were doing a real investigation. Freeman performed a
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biomechanical analysis of the ligature pattern and reviewed what he
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described to CBS News as images that show injuries unaccounted
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for by the medical examiner. For now, he's declined to
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describe his conclusions. The Times, a British newspaper, first reported
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on Freeman's planned presentation. The death can only be a
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suicide or a homicide, and the lecture will describe the
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weight of evidence for both explanations, said Freeman, a professor
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at the Oregon Health and Science University School of Medicine
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and the Netherlands Maastricht University Medical Center. Freeman's previous work
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includes advising an audit of Maryland's medical examiner's office. So
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obviously somebody that's qualified to do this study, somebody that,
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you know, knows what they're talking about, and I think
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it's going to be very interesting to see what he
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has to say. Freeman's review comes as the Federal Epstein
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Files Transparency Act has fed a worldwide fascination with Epstein
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and his circle of elite, wealthy power players who socialized
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with him even as he became notorious for allegations of
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sexual abuse. Epstein died in jail in 2019 while facing
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federal charges for sex trafficking of minors. The act passed
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in 2025 and required the Department of Justice to release
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its voluminous investigative records into Epstein and those in his orbit. Boy,
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they did a real good job at that, huh? How
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about we just release half of them and we call
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it a day? In May, a U.S. District Judge ordered
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the release of an apparent suicide note from an incident
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less than a month before Epstein's death. The note had
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been filed and sealed in May 2021 as part of
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a murder case involving Epstein's former cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglione. It
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was released in response to a filing by the New
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York Times. If anyone believes what this dude's saying, then
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I'm sorry, but you're stupid, okay? You're going to believe
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Nicholas Tartaglione, who I believe was put there to pass
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a message on, to Epstein. And I'll say that until
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the cows come home. Prove me wrong. But before you
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do that, first you need to explain what he was
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even doing in the cell with Epstein in the motherfucking
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first place. Okay, let's start there. Tartaglione, a former police
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officer convicted of killing four people, claimed in a podcast
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interview that he'd found the note, in a book, the
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morning after Epstein's death, and he gave it to his lawyers.
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And the reporter who reported this is like in love
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with Nicholas Tartaglione. Yeah, there's no conflict of interest here, right?
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The scrawled note appears to read, They investigated me for
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a month, found nothing, so 15-year-old charges resulted. The note
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also includes the phrases, time to say goodbye, and no fun.
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Not worth it. I don't believe it, okay? I don't
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believe that note was written by Epstein, and I don't
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believe the whole entire scenario they're trying to pitch. So
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if they want to continue to pitch that, and people
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want to believe it, that's on you. As I've told
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you a million times on this podcast, I'm not here
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to convince anybody of anything. Instead, I'm here to convince you.
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here to open the door. And if you want to
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walk through it and learn some more, that's great. If not,
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that's cool too. But I don't believe for a minute
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that Nicholas Tartaglione found a suicide note in that jail cell. Sorry,
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I don't buy it. And speaking of things that I
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don't buy, I don't buy the official narrative surrounding Jeffrey
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Epstein's death either. So we'll see what Mr. Freeman and
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his report have to say on November 16th. And the
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second we get our hands on it, you better believe
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we'll have it added to the catalog. All the information
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that goes with this episode can be found in the
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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. I don't think that it's any surprise to
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anybody out there that there's still questions about what happened
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to Jeffrey Epstein at MCC. Now, the only people that
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have come forward to tell us that Jeffrey Epstein killed
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himself are the people that worked for the medical examiner's
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office at the time. Well, their findings have been disputed
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by multiple experts, including... Dr. Bodden. Well, it's not only Dr.
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Bodden who thinks that Jeffrey Epstein was killed, because now
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Michael Freeman, who is a professor and editor-in-chief of the
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Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine, plans on publishing the
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research that he's been doing after receiving the autopsy report
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and medical files from Mark Epstein. And frankly, this is
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what I've been asking for from the beginning. or real investigation.
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An independent investigation into the findings of the medical examiner
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and the people that were involved in claiming that Epstein
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killed himself. And then we can take what they have
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to say and compare it to the official narrative and
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see what's what. And wherever the evidence leads us, that's
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where I'm willing to go. I'm not bought into one
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theory or the other. I just think that him killing
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himself or him being talked into killing himself is a
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much more likely theory than Jeffrey Epstein taking his own life.
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And that comes from talking to many people who have
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known him throughout the years. And they've all said the
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same thing to me when I've talked to them. There
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is no way in hell that Jeffrey Epstein, Mr. Narcissism himself,
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who thought he was going to get off again, by
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the way, killed himself. And of course, that's not the
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be-all end-all, right? But it's part of the circumstantial evidence
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that leads me away from the official narrative. So I
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think that it's going to be very interesting to see
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what Mr. Freeman has to say. And when he releases
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his report, we're going to go through it line by line.
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And I've actually been in contact with a medical examiner myself.
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And once the report's released, that person is going to
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walk me through it before I get on here and
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start talking to you about it. That way I kind
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of have an idea, right? I'm certainly not some medical professional.
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So I like to have all my ducks in a
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row before I jump on the podcast and start waxing poetic.
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But I don't think you have to be Dr. Bodden
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or Dr. Freeman to understand that there is something very,
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very wrong with the narrative that we've been fed about
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Jeffrey Epstein's death. So today we have an article from
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CBS News and the headline, Professor to Present Epstein Findings
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That Raise Questions About Whether He Killed Himself. This article
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was authored by Daniel Rutnick and Graham Cates. A professor
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for forensic medicine who reviewed Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy records, plans
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to present findings that call into question the official conclusion
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that the disgraced sex abuser's death by hanging was a suicide,
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according to Epstein's brother. They looked at this whole thing.
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They looked at it scientifically. They truly investigated this, Mark
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Epstein told CBS News on Friday. Well, that would be
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nice if the government did that, huh? They were quick
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to try and get this shit closed, and it all
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dovetails directly into my theory about controlling the blast radius
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of this fiasco. That's always been the goal. It's never
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been about justice, and it's never been about transparency. And
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the only reason that we're seeing that now, or at
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least a semblance of it, is because you've demanded it.
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But short of that, we were never going to get
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any of this. Michael Freeman, a professor who was editor-in-chief
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of the Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine, plans to
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publish his research and the New York City Medical Examiner's
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autopsy files, which he obtained from Mark Epstein. after presenting
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his findings at the University College London on November 16th.
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So I haven't been privy to his research, so I
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don't want to jump the gun. But from what we
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already know, and what we've already uncovered, it doesn't seem
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very likely to me that Jeffrey Epstein hung himself. And
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I think that's really reflected when you read the depositions
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that were given to the OIG by the people that
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were working at the facility that night. None of it
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matches up. They're all trying to hide things. None of
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them want to tell the truth. And of course, there
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was no penalties for anybody. Oh, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas.
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Little suspended sentence. But did anyone really get in trouble?
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Has anything been fixed? Of course it hasn't. Mark Epstein
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told CBS News on Friday that Freeman's analysis bolstered his
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belief that his brother's death required a deeper investigation. The
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cause on Jeffrey Epstein's original death certificate They further studied
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it in detail. This kind of study hasn't been done before,
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Mark Epstein said. If this kind of study had been
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done before, they wouldn't have come up with the suicide conclusion.
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This report was not done on my behalf. They did
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this of their own volition. So according to Mark Epstein,
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that means there's no financial incentive as far as coming
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from Mark Epstein. This is a project that Mr. Freeman
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decided that he wanted to undertake. And according to him,
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His results don't match up with the official narrative. And
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to all the people that really aren't paying attention, this
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is what a cover-up looks like, okay? There's no Egyptian airplanes.
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There's no Sasquatch. What we have is hard evidence and
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circumstantial evidence that builds a foundation. And then you work
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from there. And I think that there is a strong
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foundation to build upon. Whether this report does that or not,
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we'll have to wait and see. Freeman's review highlights several
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details that make Epstein's death investigation unique for a suicide case,
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including that there were no photographs of Epstein's body at
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the scene of his death and the ligature used wasn't
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preserved or examined. Ligature refers to the rope or other
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material used to choke or bind the person. In Epstein's case,
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according to investigators, bedsheets were used and still not explained.
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How did he get all the bedsheets? The dude's in
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the shoe. He shouldn't be getting all these bedsheets. So
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who gave him those? Was it Tova Noel? Was it
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Michael Thomas? Was it Mr. Darden? And there's so many
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people that were there that day, that night, so many
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people that were involved in the lead up that we've
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never heard from. And I was hoping that we'd get
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that fixed with the congressional testimony, but we only heard
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from Tova Noel. What about Michael Thomas? What about the
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associate warden? What about the engineer? What about everybody else
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that was there? I guess you'd only talk to them
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if you were doing a real investigation. Freeman performed a
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biomechanical analysis of the ligature pattern and reviewed what he
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described to CBS News as images that show injuries unaccounted
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for by the medical examiner. For now, he's declined to
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describe his conclusions. The Times, a British newspaper, first reported
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on Freeman's planned presentation. The death can only be a
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suicide or a homicide, and the lecture will describe the
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weight of evidence for both explanations, said Freeman, a professor
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at the Oregon Health and Science University School of Medicine
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and the Netherlands Maastricht University Medical Center. Freeman's previous work
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includes advising an audit of Maryland's medical examiner's office. So
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obviously somebody that's qualified to do this study, somebody that,
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you know, knows what they're talking about, and I think
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it's going to be very interesting to see what he
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has to say. Freeman's review comes as the Federal Epstein
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Files Transparency Act has fed a worldwide fascination with Epstein
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and his circle of elite, wealthy power players who socialized
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with him even as he became notorious for allegations of
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sexual abuse. Epstein died in jail in 2019 while facing
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federal charges for sex trafficking of minors. The act passed
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in 2025 and required the Department of Justice to release
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its voluminous investigative records into Epstein and those in his orbit. Boy,
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they did a real good job at that, huh? How
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about we just release half of them and we call
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it a day? In May, a U.S. District Judge ordered
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the release of an apparent suicide note from an incident
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less than a month before Epstein's death. The note had
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been filed and sealed in May 2021 as part of
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a murder case involving Epstein's former cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglione. It
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was released in response to a filing by the New
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York Times. If anyone believes what this dude's saying, then
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I'm sorry, but you're stupid, okay? You're going to believe
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Nicholas Tartaglione, who I believe was put there to pass
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a message on, to Epstein. And I'll say that until
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the cows come home. Prove me wrong. But before you
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do that, first you need to explain what he was
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even doing in the cell with Epstein in the motherfucking
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first place. Okay, let's start there. Tartaglione, a former police
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officer convicted of killing four people, claimed in a podcast
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interview that he'd found the note, in a book, the
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morning after Epstein's death, and he gave it to his lawyers.
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And the reporter who reported this is like in love
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with Nicholas Tartaglione. Yeah, there's no conflict of interest here, right?
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The scrawled note appears to read, They investigated me for
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a month, found nothing, so 15-year-old charges resulted. The note
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also includes the phrases, time to say goodbye, and no fun.
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Not worth it. I don't believe it, okay? I don't
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believe that note was written by Epstein, and I don't
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believe the whole entire scenario they're trying to pitch. So
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if they want to continue to pitch that, and people
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want to believe it, that's on you. As I've told
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you a million times on this podcast, I'm not here
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to convince anybody of anything. Instead, I'm here to convince you.
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here to open the door. And if you want to
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walk through it and learn some more, that's great. If not,
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that's cool too. But I don't believe for a minute
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that Nicholas Tartaglione found a suicide note in that jail cell. Sorry,
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I don't buy it. And speaking of things that I
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don't buy, I don't buy the official narrative surrounding Jeffrey
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Epstein's death either. So we'll see what Mr. Freeman and
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his report have to say on November 16th. And the
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second we get our hands on it, you better believe
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we'll have it added to the catalog. All the information
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