Eric: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Cop and the Con podcast. Star Tanner Johnson and Eric Walker and Dory. And we are here on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. That's right. This is gonna be sitting on ice for twenty four hours before you get to hear it. So I don't know, I might post it tonight. We might post it tonight. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? yeah, I got a lot of stuff I wanna get off my chest. Lots. Do you have stuff you want to get off your chest? yeah. Yeah. Podcast. yeah. Yeah, probably. Probably not. No, just stuff just was gonna tell everybody about my week. And what I did, and you know, I went on Thursday. Me and I took my 11-year-old daughter to her first metal show. So We went and saw Baby Metal and Hailstorm. Have you ever seen Hailstorm? Yes. So I I knew about Hailstorm. I did not realize so that band, I didn't know this. They have been together, I think she said seventeen years. Mm-hmm. Since they were teenagers. Yep. It is her brother and best friends, and they've never like and it was funny because I've there was a movie that came out recently that talked about first band. Your first band was never gonna be the band that you know your first band was your trial band, but they actually Well, they survived that. Her brother's a drummer. Yeah, he's the new Argent. He's fun to watch, yeah. He was having a blast. Did get the big old sticks? Yes. Yeah, he got the big sticks out. When I another thing I didn't know is how amazing Lizzie Hill's voice is. You didn't know that? Well, I knew she could sing, but like that lady came out and she had probably I d I don't know, a thirty second, not a scream. It was it was all in pitch, but just note and it was just Unbelievable. And she led with that into Lady Gaga's Bad Romance and nailed it. Have you seen it was so good. Have you seen? I think I might have talked about it before. Have you seen when she does the VM the VMAs, the country music awards? I have not. A CMA's, rather. so Eric Church comes on stage and it's the crowd's the CMA crowd, right? It's like a bunch of celebrities, but it's country music and everything. And this is years ago, and Eric Church comes out. From behind, you know, behind the stage playing the guitar and it's that damn rock and roll that his song. And Lizzie comes on stage with her like flying V guitar. her signature's the Explorer. Yeah, yeah. Shenet Explorer. And dude, you can see when she hits those notes, like I I I wish I could show it to you on on YouTube right now, but it the people in the audience like look at each other. They're like, What the fuck is this? I had no idea. And and not only that, through her songs, she plays a lot of the solos. She had another guy, you know, that did solos, but she I was I was really kind of blown away. Like I didn't not to take anything away from Lizzie Lizzie Hale's a musician. I just didn't know she was as good as she is. And she's a badass dude. She is a all around just badass musician. but we went to that Evelyn liked that a lot. And then out came baby metal. Now realize that a lot of people don't know who baby metal is. You can go to my page on my Facebook page and there's a bunch of videos. so this is three sisters. Have you seen K pop demon hunters? Yes. Yes. That but add metal. But add heavy metal, yes. And there were three sisters from Japan. are they Japan or Korea? from what I understand they're Japanese. They're Japanese. Okay. And they came out and they play all kinds of stuff and it was really like some of it was super heavy. Like one song was them and Alex the Terrible wasn't there, but they have they have the video of him in the back, and so he does a song called Echin Nisan, which is Japan yeah, it is Japanese 'cause it's Japanese for one, two, three. Yeah. and it's heavy. Dude, super heavy. And then she did a they did another song with Bring Me the Horizon, which is called Kingslayer. They weren't they weren't there. They weren't there. Okay. No, nobody was there but the but the gr the sisters. but yeah, it was it was a good bonding experience. Actual live band? Yeah. yeah. The whole band is there. They just had the guest singers, Tom Morillo, all those, they were just videos, but the whole band is right there on stage. But they choreograph every song. They have a different dance, like those girls never stop moving. They are just all over the place. But yeah, because it was just you know, Evelyn's in this new era of you know, growing up and we were trying to find something to you know to bond over and that's awesome. And we've we we had a freaking blast. and Evelyn, like even when she was tired, like she she she was a trooper, she got all the way till about the last three songs, and she's like, Dad, I'm I'm beat. I'm tired. I'm like, okay. You know, and she said, yeah. Well, it worked out great for us. Cause I we we didn't get to hear King Slayer, which is what I wanted to hear, but if it turns out they didn't play it. So but yeah this song called Gimme Chocolate, which is their like most played live song. we were Evelyn was sitting down and on the screen it said Give Me Chocolate. And Evelyn jumps straight up, starts singing in Japanese, and is just Going at it. I have that video on my page, but she got to go in fast lane. She didn't have to wait in line. I didn't I accidentally got the VIP casino lounge, I guess. And we we could buy our merch in our own line. We had our own bathrooms, we had our own bar. There's probably about 60 people back there, so it was a really cool first concert experience. So it was it was really I was really excited about it, and I know Evelyn had a good time, so can't get better than that. Have you heard of a punk band, punk? I think they're punk and like rock called Pussy Riot. No. You haven't heard of them? They they're from Russia and they actually got locked up in a Russian prison for singing the wrong stuff. They're very political. Yeah. Yeah. They they collabed with Avenged on the last album a couple years ago. It was pretty cool. hey, do you I'll bet you a hundred bucks I can count to ten in Japanese. I can count to a hundred. You can? Yeah. No, you can't. Okay. You me to go further? No, that's fine. Okay. Yeah. Good job. I'm bisexual. I can I know a lot of lang different languages. I don't I don't I think it's bilingual. I think it is too. I think I it's what I said. speak of that also speaking of bilingual or bisexual bisexual, we have I got told this week I don't do enough for the LGBTQ community and I so you're they know you're openly gay, right? So I have chosen my listener of the week. there's a guy I work with, Josh Good. he never misses an episode. He just outed Josh on a national podcast. I think he wanted it. He he's been he's been fighting, you know, and I you know hopefully hopefully appreciates, but Josh Good is gonna be my listener of the week and well good for him. I respect his his choices. Yeah, yeah. No, coming out of the closet was really hard for him. Yeah. and I praise him and really proud of him. So congrats to you, Josh Good, my listener of the week. Love you, Josh. It's all it's all jokes. It's all jokes. well what else did you do this weekend? Did you get a tattoo? I did, I just got a tattoo. Kind of cool. I don't know if you can see it, but who's your tattoo? So Eric put this on me just now. We just got it done. So on Monday I am traveling to San Diego to go hang out with Marcus Rafferty and one of his wives. Why we on the podcast? in the next couple she's gonna let me know when she gets back. She just came from New York to go hang out with them for a week or two, I think. Right and just go tour with them and then when she gets back she said she's ready to go. So Marcus's wife, you guys gotta go follow Marcus and his wife. It's Marcus Rafferty and Ash Ashley Rafferty. you can find them on my pages, but they are they are just super fun to follow. they've always got something goofy going on and Marcus is is he's the just he's a rock star, however, he's just a normal dude and he does he you get to see a lot with Marcus. Like you can attest to that. Like you get to see what b bus life is like and like well and if you subscribe to his his channel, like I think he has a a paywall subscription you can see like behind the scenes stuff and and it's funny you say he doesn't like podcasts or he doesn't like to be on podcasts, but he's so his his exact words were a big personality. His exact words were, I absolutely hate podcasts, but I would consider doing yours. And I and if we never get him on, I know that at least he said that. Yeah, and we can promote his stuff too, yeah. Yeah. And he but he's he's he he'll have to I'll get more history, but I know he started off with he has a band called Fall of Humanity. And let me make sure I'm saying that right. but him and his brother have a band and he got in with the hell yeah crowd. Marcus is a he has recently put his mind to it and he he was a big, big boy. if you go look at the old hell yeah videos, he is he is a big boy and now he's all in shape and he's really done a lot, but he's it's it's great 'cause Like you see him on stage and like, man, this is cool. And then you get on his Facebook page and he's like selling cars at a car dealership. Just a normal guy. You know, and but he it's cool. You get to see that side of you know, a lot of people don't get to see that side. And the one thing I can say is he doesn't still have a day job, does he? he I I don't know if he's still selling cars or not, but it was funny 'cause he was like car salesman of the month, like every month or months in a row. And Make a lot of money, don't you? Yeah, and he's just a normal guy. So but he he's the type of person that just doesn't seem like being a rock star has ever gotten to his head. He's just I I just saw that he was at the Aftershock Festival and he'll go put on his page, Hey, I'm standing over here if you guys want to come over. And he will take pictures with every single person there, brings pics for everybody. yeah, you just don't get a whole lot of people that in he it it's that are in his position that Don't let it get to their head, it seems like. I've kind of I've met hundreds of rock stars. I've never met any like Marcus. Are you are you really gonna try to get him and Chad's autographs? I would like to see them tattoo each arm and I mean so I'm probably gonna have to take some second skin with you. You think it'll last? Well, if I take some second skin after they maybe and then get their autographs tattooed afterwards. Or or you can just get to sign a paper and bring me the paper and I can just put it on you anywhere you want. Put it on right on each ass cheek if you'd like. I'd just do it by my arms. I think that it survives your ass as hairy as your arm. No. okay. anyway. it's weird. yeah, I can't. Just curious now. I've got you flustered, Tenner. yeah. What have you done this week, Eric? man, I tattooed. I did some more tattoos. what'd we do this week? Mark eat, sleep, repeat, I guess. Yeah. it's my granddaughter's birthday today. Which gr it is. Sure. Her first birthday, my my little cheeky cheeks. everybody wish my granddaughter Harper Blaine Ray. Of her a happy first birthday. Her her grandma, her her mom's mom likes to call her Harper Lee, which is not her middle name. Her middle name is my first name. So I call Avery that Avery Lee. Mm-hmm. And I'm she's there's no lean. What's her what's her middle name? I'd rather not disclose that on air. Really? Really. okay. you know what anybody looking her up. Yeah. I'm good. no, but yeah, I've I saw Jo Josh had put well I I didn't know it kinda concerned me 'cause Ray had put a like this post on there and it was like I was like, what the hell happened? And I just realized she was talking about it was her kids' first birthday. It first I first couple lines had me concerned for a second. I was like, it's just this sweet little post. Yeah. And Ray Raylen's actually in Maransi at the company picnic working right now. Can't believe it's been a year since she had that baby. So we're doing we're gonna wait till tomorrow and do the party. But yeah. We got a bunch of stuff. Yeah, it's it's so weird to think that Harper's already gonna be one of It seems like they were just that kid was just born. She was just walking, like learning to walk, I swear, like a week ago. Well yeah, I mean she didn't learn to walk till like nine, ten months. That's how Evelyn was. Evelyn didn't we she didn't walk forever. And then Avery was just the opposite. Just walk. Avery does a lot of things that are advanced. Yeah. Yeah. She cracks me up. She was all down to get a tattoo right now. Yeah. I'm sure she was. Yeah. I said, I can put that on you permanent if you want. She's got a little henna. Yeah. And she goes, Okay. I was like, All right. Yeah. No fear. No fear. That's good and bad. Yeah. but you know, at least she knows she'll stand up for herself, right? Well, I that's the only thing I can hope for is that she's, you know, keeps that attitude. But she is she is also you know, she's got her feelings and she's she's definitely portrays a little bit h tougher and harder than she actually is. Which is fine 'cause, you know, if you can put off that to start, like that's good. Are are you officially feeling Like it's autumn yet? It's October now. No, she's still just Avery to me. No. It's fall. Just in general. It's fall. Yeah, what did I say? Autumn. It's it's autumn. What it's the fucking difference? There's a difference or not. I would I would I would a hundred percent say autumn before fall. I do the difference, people. You had yeah, asked the listeners. I got to they always wear it up on me. Yeah, I got to wear Then I get in trouble for being mean to Dory. I just stuck up on your side. You did? I just said it's autumn. did I so did I say autumn? You're so abused that you just assume P T S D like there they go again. Don't hit me. I'm on your side. He I clarification I do not hate him. He's being dramatic. I I did get to wear a flannel a couple of times last week, which is everybody knows. that's something I got to do. So anybody that knows me knows that like you associate, the things I love are my kids and my Dixon flannels and my Dallas Cowboys. So and and Yeah. Even even though I came up Yeah. Second second on this Facebook search. I I went to Dixon and I just walked in and I just said, Hey I heard that since I'm a Hall of Fame member, which of one of only four hundred and seventy seven people in the world, but I said, Do I get to get a tour of the facility? And the first girl was like, like you'd all bummed about it. And I was like, no big deal. You know, if you can't, you can't. And then I went and got my me and Evelyn some stuff there. And I when I was checking out, I was like, No, heck no, I'm gonna ask again. So I asked the other girl at the desk and she's like, Absolutely, you can go back. And they actually took us back. We got to see the original Dixons. We got to see where where Danny started. all the stuff he did. He started with just a pop-up tent and selling out of his trunk of his car. and he built it into this huge, you know, flannel empire he's got. And but we got to see the original Debo flannel, which is the most popular flannel they've ever made, and the original Elm Street, the original Jason Voorhees, the Slipknot, They had all of them like all framed in the back over there. You have the Elm Street, right? I have the you gave me one of the Elm Streets. I have I think I have both Elm Streets now. And then do you do you have the S and S one, the S and S motorcycles? The original blue one? I would love to have that one, man. No, I have did you ever go to the old store over there by Tempe Marketplace? That store was cool, man. I like their new store. It's way bigger and everything, but it was a tiny little storefront, probably Couple probably like two or three of these rooms. you know, like thirty thirty by thirty, maybe. And but it was mostly warehouse, and then in the warehouse you could go back there and they had the the lowered trucks and the motorcycle, they had all the cool cars, you know. And then they had connex buildings built into the side of the warehouse that were the offices. And they had like it was all custom, like gra graffiti painted and everything. It was super cool. Well, they had when they took us back there, we couldn't We had to take pictures certainly 'cause it was during the week and they had the creative team there. but they have a huge gym back there. Full I mean, whole gymnasium with everything you can think of for working out. They have a race car track in the back and they have go-karts they can go race. go go go kart racing. Yeah. They have motorcycle areas. They have all the artwork that people have submitted. You should probably submit something to he puts it all on the wall in the back. and he had all those on there. He had all his old skateboards, the original Dixon skateboards, the the it was just it was really interesting to see how he started it. I think he said the story is is I could be wrong on the dollar, but I think it was four hundred and seventy seven dollars is all he had to get it started. And he just wow he just did it. And he got it going and So how much money do you have to spend to be a Hall of Fame? So you get a ha you gotta have five thousand points. So usually it's a dollar a point. But it's well you're way over that. Well I get I think I get two or three point times the points. So I mine seems like there's a lot I mean, I have a lot. I have over three hundred flannels, so I have a lot. but yeah, I earn way more points than they normally give out when I buy When What year was it when you bought your first flicks and flannel? what I think I'll tell you right now because it I know exactly what it was. I didn't even know about Dixon Flannel and Josh that my homosexual friend Josh that we just made listener of the week. He let's see when when was the Mud Vane Dixon Flannel? least so he came in work and he's hey isn't your isn't your favorite band mud vein and I was like yeah and he's like have you seen this and he showed it to me july January 19th 2023 was the day I bought my first one and it was because it was Mudvane and I was like and then I started reading the story and they're like yeah so the the here's is for those of you that don't know what Dixon is Dixon makes flannels they're high quality flannels and Like they're great, great shirts. but every single Dixon is limited edition. Once it's gone, that print never gets made again. Which is how they get ya. but I just took a liking to them. I just really like their clothes. All their stuff is I use their soap, I use their socks, I have their underwear. everything I have is Dixon. So I'm I'm looking on my Instagram and looking at a post. from May 4th, 2018. And it's a picture of one of my motorcycles with a Dixon flannel draped over it. And it says, had a chance to go by the main office of Dixon Flannel Company today. Awesome clothes. Even got a little ride in when I got back to Safford. So 2018. Nice. And then and then and then I had family pictures in we were all on the same flannel. It was called the Pacific or something like that. It's like a white and blue one. And they We got on the website or on their Instagram. So that that was kinda cool. I yeah, they featured me a couple of times on their Instagrams, but just just I I think you said it, but just to clarify, Josh Good is one of my really close friends. We've been friends for since he started working at eight, nine years ago. He is not homosexual. He has a beautiful wife named C J and children. So it's got a few kids. I don't know that Josh would know me if I was nice to him, so that's you know, it's just If I started being nice he'd probably be worried I'm dying or something. Well if he really was gay, you probably wouldn't make fun of Yeah, I probably w yeah, I w definitely wouldn't if he was but he had it's funny 'cause he does and I don't know, just ca I'm the doucher. He he has every week he's always hey, you know, just kinda like not as much as Maunch, but he checks every week. But last week we did Maunch for the second time. Yeah, I d I've totally And I got a text it just sa from And it's it's in my phone as gay Josh Good and it comes up and it just says, Fuck you. And I like I was like, What did I d I know exactly what I did. So yeah. Poor guy. Yeah. So he's all waiting. He's been waiting. He wa he listens every week. He works out at the out at the mine, so when he's at work I think he he listens to it. Well he works for you guys too, doesn't he? Yeah, he still comes and does part time work for us. he he's been he helps teach the new guys and stuff. So he's a good installer, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not much of a speller, but a real good installer. I think one time was a guy called in named Jesus and I think he wrote on the calendar H A Y S U S. I'm not kidding. Well, if if you write it out, it's just it's just Jesus. Yeah. So but yeah, no, he's he's he's a very good friend. he he's he's he's like you. yeah, I'm around him so much, you know, we just We fight and argue and we're over it in an hour. So Well, I would like to talk about the band a little bit more. Yeah. Let's do it. I know we talked about it last week, but w all all cylinders are fly firing right now. we don't have our bass player that night and we don't have it w the night of the night before Thanksgiving. What what is that, the twenty fifth? Yeah. Of November. We're gonna be at Shane's place. And usually everybody and their dog is in town on that night. Yeah. because you know, Thanksgiving's the next day and everybody likes to go out the night before. So hopefully we get a pretty good crowd. We've played that night at Shane's before. We like two or three hundred people. Yeah, we we had we had taken over the restaurant. And I was trying to think the other day. Why did we not play on the s the stage area? Why did we move into the restaurant area? I think our stuff was already set up. No, it might have been. Yeah, we're just practicing it. Yeah, because we had been practicing there, but I thought something else was going on in that room. And we just I can't remember, but Well, I know that they wanted to keep the dance floor open probably because at ten or whatever they're they switch over to a dance music. Yeah. And then all our shit's gonna be on the way And think I I wanna say But we've played in both sides. We we played in the in the by the DJ booth also. Yes, we have played in there. In fact that was Halloween night we did that. Yeah. And that was the night so if you go to my latest Facebook page post, it's somebody that sent me a picture of me wearing makeup. So I was like, it's Halloween. And at this point I'm 255 pounds and I have long hair. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna bring the makeup back. And I put the makeup on and I look like a giant lesbian. Middle-aged woman? Yes. So I said, you know what? This might not be for me anymore with my long hair. I just realized little Joey had texted me earlier and I forgot to Jay Devil? Yeah. He needed Shane's number and I didn't have it. I mean I didn't send it to him. But yeah. So I decided, you know what, let's just not do makeup. But now that my hair's short again, I might bring it back. I don't know. I'm I'm I vote yes. I think so. People are saying no on the post. I don't give a c I don't but I vote yes. If I cared I wouldn't have worn makeup for two years. I vote yes. and the Major. My and it's funny, my dad saw me in the makeup and you know my dad told me He said, as long as you don't ever wear a man bun, I don't care what you do. And I I remember when some of the guys from Ford where he worked came to my work. I was like, Hey, do me a favor, when you get back, tell my dad. Say, I didn't know I didn't know Tanner wore a man bun. And they did. They said he didn't say a word. He reached in his drawer, opened it up, grabbed his keys, and started to leave. I imagine he was coming to whoop my ass, but they said, No, no, Randy, Randy, he's we're just kidding, we're kidding. But he didn't say anything. He just quietly opened his drawer and grabbed his keys and I said, Woo, he was ready to come fight. I don't know what his deal with mam buns is, but he will he said, just don't ever do that. I don't care what you do. Well, the reason I was talking about spooky season and I know it's your favorite time of the year and it's my favorite time of the year and it's definitely Dory's favorite time of the year. Yes. and she wears her Jack o' lanterns. What is that? It has eyeballs. Is it eyeballs? those were jack-o' lantern. But next next Friday, October 9th, I'll be at Shane's place from 6 p.m. to around 10 PM doing a spooky flash tattoo sale. I have $50 flash tattoos, $60, $80, $100 flash tattoos, some pretty cool ones. they're all Halloween themed. The cool thing is If you get a tattoo, it automatically enters you into a drawing that I'm gonna do where I'm giving away a $300 tattoo session. And you can apply that $300 to a bigger tattoo. Or you can just do the three hour tattoo from that and we'll figure it out. We do a custom tattoo. It's not flash. It'll be completely custom that I design. Also, we'll be selling raffle tickets for twenty dollars a ticket. Can you explain to our viewers, just in case they're like me, what is flash? Well like Flash I get that a lot of tattooers know that, but like I didn't know what flash was when I first heard it. So flash is you have a sheet that has pre designed tattoo designs that are designed ahead of time, nothing custom. And you pick off those sheets, you say, I want that. Okay. And then I tattoo that on you. So they're already drawn, everything's already done. If you want custom just you Just in case somebody because I didn't know until the last time you did it. I was like and I've I was like, finally I can ask somebody like, hey, what's flash? 'Cause I mean I've been to other places where they're you know, I don't know the tattoo people. So if you walk into a tattoo shop, say you're in Tucson, you walk into like Estari Studios or one of the tattoo shops over there, they will have framed artwork all over the walls and you can actually walk up and go, how much is that one? And you can get that tattoo off the wall. Now that doesn't happen a lot of tattooed studios ex especially in Safford, are mostly custom studio type stuff where you give us an idea and then we work together and we draw it up with you of exactly how you want it. And that's how a lot of tattoos are going to but when you do flash You can charge a little less because all the work's already done. The drawings or the designs are already created. So all you do is print out, stick on their skin, tattoo and and get down the road. So but the cool part is we're doing that drawing for a three hundred dollar custom tattoo and also selling raffle tickets for that for twenty bucks. Okay, nice. Yeah. So and then we'll we'll draw and probably announce that a couple of weeks after. Or maybe a couple of days after, we'll see. so that's happening, but I'm I'm excited. We're gonna go on our we always like start Harry Potter again this time of the year and start watching all the Harry Potters and Are are you going live? I I'm gonna go live. So no here. If you guys got a question while we're it's like right in between. Yeah, I know. Who cares? If they jump on there, if you got any questions while we're talking, go ahead. We'll give it about five, ten minutes on the live. And but yeah, I I I didn't I g I I guess I should have known what Flash was. I at least I felt like I should have known what Flash was, but I just I didn't know. And you make a good point because n I guess not everybody does. So Yeah, it's it's and and honestly when I do people come in, they're all, I don't want any of this, but can you do these three numbers on me? And I'm kind of a nice guy, so I'm like, Yeah, okay. I'll do it. And so I design it real quick and then throw it on But but nowadays you can do that because with technology we have our iPads, we have mobile printers that we can take with us, we can We can manipulate things electronically and it we don't have to draw everything out anymore. So you can actually draw right on the iPad. So it makes it a lot easier. Yeah. yeah, it's it it I I I don't know. I'm I'm probably the only one that didn't know what that was. I'm sure there's probably a good of people out there that there's probably other people. Don't well I don't I don't and I mean and I always thought flash tag too because it's done in a flash on and it I just got two viewers. It's one of 'em's me. one of 'em's story. One of 'em's me. I'm always supporting. We got our good buddy Dustin on there. What's up, Dustin? Yeah. what else you got going on, Eric? that's about it. But yeah, so guys, we would really like who's echoing? Who's got it on? It's y you. You or a kind of maybe we gotta turn that off. Turn your sh turn it down. It's all the way down. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where that that is coming from. Is your volume down, Dory? Is your volume down? Well it's stopped now that you're it's still still going. anyway, we I we so we're definitely not we're not I I think we need to maybe give this band a little different name, maybe. I don't I don't think it's it's not borrowed time. It's it's people that have been in borrowed time, but like borrowed time is still our our our band and we are in no way, place, shape, or form replacing Gobble or Joey. We just I think we need to give it another name. Okay. Those guys those guys that are playing with us have been in the band. Yeah, they've all played with us before but it it'd be Stewie Dad. We're looking up cool band names so there's Steely Dad, The Grateful Nearly Dead. yeah. Yeah Sippy Cup Sabbath. Dude, that would be awesome to be the grateful new. Are you Speedwagon wheel? A C D C C U in bed by nine? Fatherload. That's gross. Yeah. Faternal pattern. The thermostat touchers. There's some pretty cool ones on here, yeah. But anyway, what I was getting to was I w we just we wanted to do a show and I I finally gave in and said, Yeah, let's do it. so we're going to play on what day did you say it was? November it's the night before Thanksgiving, Wednesday night. I think it's the twenty fifth. And it's just gonna be cool to get out there and play again. It's the night of the twenty fifth. Yeah. And we'd really like to see everybody come out. I mean, we're not gonna play you know, all night long. It'll be about an hour to an hour and a half set. we'll Do some of the old favorites we've played with before. And yeah, it should be a really good time and I'd really like all of you guys to show up. all of you that are twenty one at least. And we're playing like we were originally gonna play for an hour, but man, we got about eighteen songs now. Yeah. We got a bunch of songs that we really really liked and like we were there's a couple that we couldn't play that we are gonna be able to play. and I I made it through eight songs. Last night when I was practicing at home. Without your heart giving up. I'm getting my cardio back. So But yeah, we're we got Jake and Josh Garcia, the twins. They've played with us since the beginning. On and off, on and off. So we got them coming back in and Shane Casey said he'll come in and play leads for us. So we should have it's gonna be fun. we're gonna start practicing this week. Or not this week, but Sat Thursday we're gonna have our first practice. Now the the real Tests is have you talked to Gobble about it? I have not. You haven't talked to him? Well, he's gonna know now. He's gonna know now. Gobble is we're not replacing Gobble. Absolutely not. Gobble is a staple. He's a core master. But he unfortunately Or J Devil at that Josh either. I mean not Josh, Joey. Joey. You guys call him J Devil, Daniel, Joseph. He's just little Joey to me. You know what? When I met him, he was fifteen years old and he was a little kid. Or sixteen years old, so he will always just be little Joey to me. But none of those names are what people really call You know what they call Well, DJ. I didn't see I didn't even know that. When the other th the cool thing about Joey too, I like Joey a lot. He when I met him, he was just a kid putting a stereo in his truck. And then I saw him start posting videos of him just like horribly playing guitar. I th I think you told us yeah. And he and he just turned into a He's really good. Great guitarist. and he's chill. Super chill guy. but yeah, it's gonna be fun. We'd like to see everybody out there, so I love the father load, heavy riffs, heavier responsibilities. I I thought I don't know, I think they're all pretty funny, but Playdate Punishers was the one that made me laugh first. that's hilarious, dude. I do I yeah, I do have to say, I mean, gobble's basically the reason why mean you even met in the first place. So we're gonna go ahead and end this. Now it's echoing and driving me crazy. We had two listeners. We had like five. but yeah so I don't know yeah I was yeah that is true. No, actually I'm the reason. Why would you be the reason? Why would I be the reason? Why would you have any reason to walk up to him and say are you really seventy five years old? Yeah, but we met before that. No, you didn't. Yeah, we did. Well, maybe met, but four years. It was that's when the magic happened. She was at Kipp's house when we played. I have videos of you guys at Kipp's house. I was literally sitting in the front by the bonfire. I just remember I I met you I met you when you were probably still in high school. Really? Yeah. So Laura worked with Kelly at yeah, my mom. I remember I remember I just remember going she named her daughter what? After an alcohol? Yeah. She walked in one day. And Kelly's all wrong spell. Actually, it's the character off of Mortal Kombat and that was my older brother. Kitana. Yeah. Yeah. So she walked in and sh and Kelly's all you're gonna believe it. You what her name is? And I was like, It's what? Yeah. if you guys know, if you n you know. I know I don't you can you can say your name, but I'm not going to. If you don't know, then I guess you don't know, do you? Yeah, we don't didn't want to give up too much info on you. That's okay. I'm good with my nickname. but yeah, that's the first time I ever ever met you. I didn't know, Chass. I thought you were the only daughter. Well, Dory just started a little business because she's super creative. and and And creates lot of cool stuff, but she has a little business she's starting called Katana Creations. And she's gonna be doing glass etching and cool like like she can do anything. She can paint, she can sculpt, she can do all this stuff and and crochet and everything. So it'll be a little avenue for her to to kind of develop her business. Yeah, I've been thinking about it for a while. I don't really like start getting back into creating anything until until Well, we got married basically. Or started dating. And then out all of a sudden I just felt the need to start drawing and you've really inspired me to do that. And ever since then I've I've been you were creating hangovers before that. Yeah, before I was creating headaches and hangovers before that for a couple of years. So, you know. Really brought me out of my rut there. But no, I haven't really drawn any I mean, I used to draw all the time when I was a kid, but I haven't really drawn anything. After high school I stopped drawing and maybe even in high school. I think it was like my sophomore junior year. I stopped doing art completely and then I didn't pick it up again for almost ten years and so I s restarted doing my art again and now I have way too many hobbies thanks to the ADHDs. Well it's cool. I mean you know when you're with somebody that that encourages you to be creative, that's awesome. Then she encourages me, I encourage her. So anyway. So well let's get into the meat here. The meat here is The Meat? We didn't we didn't really have a subject we had discussed prior. So here's what we're gonna do. I found a website. No, there's a website on the thirty most discussed conspiracy theories. So we've picked a couple. I picked one that I want to discuss that I don't think a lot of people know. and it and it it can go deeper into this too. So people have long discussed the conspiracy that Walt Disney used cryogenics technology to freeze himself when he died. Even though the Disney fla family refutes the claim. However, there is a theory that the Walt Disney company created the word Disney Company created frozen as a way to hack Google's search algorithm and distract consumers from information about late Walt Disney's possible frozen. So what was happening is once this conspiracy came out, everybody started searching Walt Disney. Frozen. It was a huge search on Google. Like it was just overwhelming. And so they tried to figure out how they're gonna get around this. They didn't want people talking about it. So they created the movie Frozen so that if you pops up. So if you look up di Walt Disney Frozen, you'll get the movie Frozen. and not him. But do you do you think that Cryogenics is In effect, you think it's y people are using it? I okay, here's what I think. I think that people have done that like right before their death. They have been frozen. But I don't think that we have the technology to wake them up yet. So I think they're s they paid a lot of money and they're in somewhere frozen in storage and they're just hoping that a hundred years down the road. Now with the with AI being in place where they're saying that it's gonna you know, do you think that that might be a like a possibility? Do you think that maybe these people get unfrozen now they have this cure for whatever ailed them and now they can, you know, become back like have you seen Silo yet? not the third season. Okay. I won't tell you anything there. Okay. it's one of my favorite shows. I I absolutely highly recommend it's on Apple TV. I have an eighty I have an eighty eight HD wife that well we can't sit down and watch anything. Well, I'll tell you this. when you do go to watch season three, you gotta watch every second because it's a lot of it's a lot of back and forth. It's a lot of what happened then and what's happening now. I've seen the first episodes. Like you've gotta put it together. And I'm fucking confused. Yeah, it gets and you know, I and I've I got to the point where I was almost like, This is this is just too confusing. But when it gets to the end, it'll be like, now everything I th was confused about makes sense. Yeah. But it was it was a little hard to follow on that third season. Like I definitely s quit watching it so that I could watch all at once because it there's a lot. You gotta take in a lot. But I think that I think that with the the invention of AI in the medical field, I do think that people can possibly do that. I think you can freeze yourself. And maybe later come out. I I mean who knows what they're gonna be like when they come out of being unfrozen. They may it might have just killed them. Who knows? Speaking of that, and not even AI, but stem cell research, look how far it's come in the last ten years. did you see when Mel Gibson was on the Joe Rogan podcast? I have not. He was talk he they actually brought the guy on that has a stem cell place in like Panama or somewhere like that. Because you can't do it the United States. they I guess Mel Gibson took his ninety something year old father down there and he was wheelchair ridden, he couldn't walk. he had lots of issues that you know, 'cause he's ninety. Mm. It's like that old Jeff Foxworthy joke, right? Yeah, I went to my ninety four year old grandfather's funeral the other day. yeah, what what'd he die from? He was ninety four. Like, you know. but I guess he had an Like the intravenous stem cells and and some injections too. And he fucking walked out of there, dude. Like didn't need the wheelchair anymore. And so yeah, I think in twenty twenty five years with AI, with the advances in stem cells, you can go to C P I in Tijuana now, which is right across the border from San Diego. And get, you know, like pay 30 grand and get anything fixed you. Well, and that's you know, I I worry that I worry that we'll never get to I'll worry that we will never be able to enjoy the wonderful may maybe just our generation, the the wonderful things that can come from AI in the medical field. I just like, I mean, how many times have you heard of Well, just like you just said, you you go to a different country to get like there's me and me and Kelly had looked when, you know, with when she got diagnosed with MS. We know we talked to a few people and I ran into somebody in my store that every year they go to Germany. his wife has multiple sclerosis. They take her to Germany and they put in this like they strip your body completely of like you have to remain. Completely void of everything for like three weeks, I think it is. And what they do is they strip you your body of all your immunities, everything. And you're just completely like you're you could die from a a a common cold or allergies because you've been I can't remember how they do but they're like resetting your immune system. Resetting the immune system and and it's worked for her. And they do it every year and it costs them a lot of money, but they have to go to Germany to do it. So my point is, is I don't I feel like here in America, how many times have you heard of people coming up with a cure or or are we're gonna talk are we talking about big pharma in this in this episode I think so. I mean kinda but they or or even the guy that discovered how to run a car on water. they've got And then magically he disappeared? No, he got shot in the freaking grocery store. Well, he's not the only one. There's been like seven of them, and all of them have mysteriously died in either shooting or a traffic accident. And it just like that's why I worry our generation is probably never gonna get to enjoy the advancements of AI. Maybe my kids, you know, maybe there's gonna be and and it could go the opposite way too. But I think that at some point I I remember watching a movie, I can't remember what movie it was, but This girl got into a fight. and they they take her to this area. it was the I think it was the time one with Justin Timberlake. But anyway, they put her on this table and this machine just scans her, does a complete MRI of her right on the table. They figure out what's wrong with her, repair it instantly, she gets up and she's good. And I thought, well, obviously bones would take longer to heal than that. Like, but Like who knows that could come to that, like where you just lay on a table and this computer just hovers over you, figures out exactly what's wrong, what should be, and it's not, and they fix it right there. Like but I don't think we'll ever get to to have that because I don't think the government and the pharmacy complex would ever let allow it. Well I don't think that they're gonna allow people to As long as money is involved. Yeah. And big money. It's it's gonna like like we're looking at this thing right now in the patent system. So companies frequently extend this is pharmaceutical companies frequently extend patents on existing drugs by making minor formula changes. It's called evergreening, which delays the entry of cheaper generic alternatives to the market. So do you remember the whole controversy with Rogan in the in I was just gonna say do you didn't Rogan and With ivermectin when he's talking about ivermectin. And they were saying it's a horse. it's a horse. Horse based. Yeah, and all that. Which, yes, they do use it on hor horses, but it's an antiviral. And it was an antiviral twenty five years ago that won all kinds of awards. And now it's just a generic. Yep. You can get it for five bucks. You can go to the veterinary supply and get it. There's another one too that just there's another guy. I just watched a video and he was like at a pharmacy. And the I don't know if it was the pharmacist or or just one of the texts was like, Sa say what you just said. And the guy was like, I had stage four cancer. I found a guy that told me, I can't remember what it's called. He said, I I found a guy that told me about a dog dewormer. And he said, Take this dog dewormer and and it'll cure your cancer. And he claims, I I can't remember how long he said, but he he went down to tractor supply. He bought the dog dewormer and now he is cancer free. Wow. And but it made me think of ivermectin. But it's the other one Joe Rogan's pushing right now, where they can take people completely off of opioids. Ibogaine. I was gonna talk about that. And and what's funny about And why why is that not pushed? Well, you were talk well, because of Big Pharma. Exactly. And you were talking about going having to go out of the country, Ibogaine clinics. And so if you if you're addicted to opiates which is a horrible, horrible d disease and it gets a hold of a lot of people and it's it's just and if you can come out of that, I I give you all the props in the world because it's I think the worst. What? Opiates. yeah. Yeah. I've been it. No, you know I've been through. And it's it's it's the probably the hardest drug to get off of and I have all the sympathy in the world. It's affected my life. It's affected Tanner's life. It's just a horrible drug. And you could go down to an Ibogan clinic in Mexico. Mm And go down for a week and it's hallucinogenic and it rewires your brain to not be addicted to opiates. And you know, props I we're talking about Rogan. Dorian gonna have the government at my door any minute. Yeah. Pro She's googling all she's Googling it and I just keep saying, contact the government if you have a drug problem. Contact if you're feeling suicidal. I'm like, no, we just wanna know where the freaking clinic is. The worst part is this is your Google as well. So So here's here's something else I was, you know, with especially with that, that along those lines, we all know, like you said, I I was I I got clean off of meth in two thousand six. when I moved here, I had a job that required me to go up downstairs. I was running the restaurant over here. I I hurt my knee really bad. And I got on Vikarin and then eventually hydrocodone. And then and I was on them for about four years, but I kept justifying it because that's what addicts do. We all justify. You can say you're not whatever. You know what you're doing. I knew what I was doing. And I kept telling myself, well, it's prescribed, so there's not a problem. Like I looked for every excuse I I mean, I know deep down I knew what was wrong. However, the point I'm getting at is I've after about four years, I started running out. I was on 120 30 milligram oxycodones a month. I was taking four a day. Jesus. That last month that I was on them, I ran out early and I couldn't get my script filled. And I I called somebody to buy some. And I hung up the phone and I said, that's that's addict behavior. Like I was able to recognize that's that's I I'm spending my earned money and taking kid, you know, money from my children to buy drugs. Period. So I knew I was at a wrong place. So I I had asked my doctor about it. and he pointed me into the right direction, said, Hey, you gotta go over here. You gotta talk to this person, they'll help you out. so I did. And I got on this joke of a medication called Suboxin. Yeah, that was just as bad or worse. And let me tell you. After a year of Suboxin. A year. And I kept reading article after article about if doctors prescribe you anything more than two weeks of suboxin, they do not have your best interest at heart. Nope. It should be start you off on a low dosage, middle of the first week, you're up to the high dosage, then second week, down to nothing. That's how it's supposed to be d done. Yes. So I was getting it for a year. and I realized at that point, like if I'm gonna be addicted to something, which I fully am, like I'd rather be on drugs. So I decided I'm gonna quit Suboxin also. And I I don't know how to compare withdraw the better the you know, one as compared to the other, but I can tell you maybe just because it was my last one, that the withdraw from the Suboxan. it it hurt. Everything hurt. Everything was I was sick. it was it was one of the hardest times of my life. I hated it. I hated how I felt. I hated that I was feeling this way off something that was supposed to make me feel good and better and get me better. But all it was was these fucking doctors that say they're gonna help you get off opioids. put you on something that you're addicted to. I have I have a family member that took I think he was on on it for seven years. That's insane. Like what what what at what point and that's I don't know. So that's getting into what I was saying. Like you know the f they they're not they're making money. They're getting kickbacks every time they do that and and with with with a well how to tie all this in is with AI, like that's why I don't think we'll ever be able to enjoy it because There's so much money going lining pockets that they're not gonna allow us to have a one-way cure all. Unless you got a lot of money. Well, yeah, I'm sure. Like, how long has Magic Johnson lived with AIDS? Right? You know, not that you can't live with AIDS, but when he got it, we weren't that advanced in in in the medical field to you know that he should still be as good as he is. I don't know. Easy E died what, like two months after he was diagnosed with AIDS. Yes. Yeah. And even back then, yeah, I mean and I'm sure now if Easy E was still alive, he'd have money, but back then, you know, the times were different. That boy is built different though. He he definitely went hard in the paint. Yeah. Yeah. and lot you know, lots of int intravenous drugs. I think magic was from sex. Yeah. But I think easy was intravenous directly. Yeah. yeah, but going back to the original thing, with Disney, I think it's possible. I just but I don't know about the conspiracy. I mean it makes sense about the frozen thing. Like that what what a you know, what a cool way to throw off the Google search. But I mean nowadays you can get around that too. You can Just searching AI and say I don't mean the movie for a while. Yeah, and if any of you guys are out there listening that are maybe struggling with some of the things I've been through, I'm not a know all, tell all, but I sure can guide you in the ways that that I've found, you know, work. don't ever feel like you can't reach out. Well, and also not every doctor is like that. No, we have some good doctors. Yes. And that in fact, that doctor was not from here. I was doing telemed to somebody that didn't even live here. Yeah. It's so that that had nothing to do with any of the doctors here. The the Denver International Airport is the Illuminati headquarters. Absolutely. Not anymore. Absolutely. Everybody knows they obviously have moved it. Congratulations, guys. No, I think they still do it. I think that they are I think that they are making it so public as to as a distraction. I think that they think like they think have you been in there? Have you been through there? I have I've been to the Denver airport, but it was Getting out of one plane and getting right on top of I had some time and we walked through there. and they have like lizard people drawn on the wall. Yeah, they're they're leaning into it. They're heavily leaning into it. There's still no explanation for the horse that I know of. The a reasonable explanation for the horse. What horse? Like a Trellotron horse? No. Have you haven't seen the horse? No. Look up the horse. Look at the Denver International Horse and you tell me why. I was like, if I type in the horse on the internet, there's a lot of things that are gonna come up. You put up Denver horse Denver Airport Horse. And that's what started it all. Like it is the blue the blue Mustang. The blue Lucifer Mustang. yeah. Hey, that's my cat's full name. Lucifer. Blucifer is the name of it. That's literally my cat's full name. Look at that sucker. What what what's that for? Let me share this. What's what's that for? Obviously they had a real metal CEO, okay, at one point and it's It's got bright red eyes and it's just It's it's just in the it's just makes no sense. Honestly though, like if you saw something that big looking the way it looks coming at you, I don't know anybody that wouldn't be like, What the heck is going on? That's crazy. Like you would run in the opposite direction for that. Luis Jimenez sculpted that thing. It's gigantic. Look how big it is. It's nine thousand pounds. my god. Yeah, it it's it's a monstrosity. You you can see it as you're you know, when you're flying in, you can look out and see it out there. But it just makes no sense. It's it's just there. Well, like there's no Denver Denver Broncos kind of makes sense. Mm, yeah, but they did not lean into Broncos and they named it Blue Safer. They have a T shirt. I want I want that T shirt. Yeah, that's metal as hell, dude. Lucifer is Well, but it isn't it's not a lizard person, at least. No, but they you know, they so somebody just tried to somebody just tried to go down and sneak down into the tunnels and they're so heavily guarded down in there, like it's unbelievable the security. Like I can't remember which YouTuber it was, but he tried to sneak down in and Yeah, every time he got through something else there was another one. Yeah, look at that. The eyes light up at night. Terrifying, bro. That's awesome. That makes me want to go to the airport. Yeah, that I would go to the airport at night just to see that. look, there's a video. That's sick. That's badass. So what do you think about like the skull and bone stuff out of like Yale University and all that? it's absolutely yeah. But if you believe in the Illuminati, it goes back Even further than that. Well, how many presidents have been in the skull and bones? About every one. Shit tons. Well, but back over like in the UK, in France, the Templars and things like that, that was the first banking systems. Did you know that? Yeah. The Templar Knights. Yeah, the Templars were the first bankers. First bankers. and b and you know, international banking controls the world. The skull and bones. And you know what else is interesting about our presidents? Do you know there's only one president that's not related somehow? Is it J. Nope. There's only one president that has if you go and hear you whisper. It feels it feels real like we have to whisper about this. Like they're to stuff. They're listening, bro. So every spring go back up. Every spring the club taps fifteen Yale juniors to join for their senior year to the Skull and Bones, which was started in eighteen thirty two, founded in eighteen thirty two. Members meet in a windowless Greco Egyptian brownstone building on campus known as the tomb. Mm-hmm. Its interiors are famously rumored to be filled with macabre iconoc iconography iconoclogy. Iconography skeletons and the number three twenty-two believed to honor the death year of the Greek orator Demos. Demos. So is It was started in eighteen thirty two by William Huntington Russell and Alfonso Taft. Is that any relation to William Howard Taft? Probably. So there's only there's only one president, like I said, there was a kid that did it as a project. Three three US presidents. William Howard Taft, George Bush, and George Bush. So there's also it's not just Skull and Bones, there's another one. can't remember what it's called, but the But it's also sub Trump is the only president that the lineage Well, if you go all the way back, they're all related except for Trump. Go back down to where I was re right there. It says it includes three SUS presidents. I guess that that's all the presidents. Supreme Court justices, CIA officials and powerful CEOs. So I don't know, man, like have well, we've talked about Bohemian Grove before, right? No, but we sh we will 'cause I got a lot to say about that. Go type in Bohemian Grove. the Bohemian Grove is in California, Northern California, I believe. And let's see what it says. it's a highly exclusive twenty seven hundred acre private campground located in Monterey, California, owned by the San Francisco based gentleman's club known as the Bohemian Club founded in 1872. That was pretty close to the founding of Skull and Bones, actually. 2,000 members, scroll up. Much like Yale's Skull and Bones, its intersection of immense political power and theatrical occult style rituals have made it a focal point. Well, I think Walt Disney was he was part of it. He was Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush. what's the what's the guy's name that got canceled over Alex Jones? It's Alex Jones. 'cause he went. He went and he recorded a a lot of stuff. What did he get cancelled for? Or it's Sandy Sandy Hook. He said it wasn't real. Yeah. But he was the original one that actually and he's the he's the lizard vampire, like he thinks that all these people are yes Illuminati He thinks lizards the frogs are gay and that's what's causing demasculate t demasculation in men. It's there's a he's he's out there a little bit. Some of the stuff he does is Makes sense, but a lot of the stuff it does you just kinda They are finding that our taints are getting smaller. You know that, right? From microplastics. You've heard that, right? I do haven't heard that? There's microplastics. Our testicles everywhere are are for lack of a better word, taint. Your perineums are getting smaller in children that are born, their their testicles are smaller. We're becoming eunuchs from all the plastics that we ingest. Okay. this is what I was originally talking about today, the Manhattan Project Manhattan Project. So that all started at the Bohemian Grove. Well the Manhattan Project was Oppenheimer, right? Yeah. So that was the atomic bomb. Yeah. So Oppenheimer, Ernest Lawrence, various military initials met at the campground to advance the research and ultimately created the first atomic bomb. Right. but yeah, that started the creation of care. I don't I don't really want to get into this because I really want to make one episode about About the about the behemoth, because there's a lot. I've I've actually that's one of the ones I've actually got into a lot See, I didn't know the connection to Operation Paperclip and the Manhattan Project to it. But that makes total sense. George H. W. Bush, is that his father? Or is that the son? Jarren German Walker was senior. How many clubs was this dude in and how connected are all of them? Very 'Cause that's that's the one where people are like, Bush ruined everything. You know he was the head of the CIA. I didn't. So so the like the Illuminati and the ties into the government I d I do not know anything about the Red Red Friars, that's another one. The Hellfire Club. Porcelain Club. The flat? No, there's a Hellfire Club that was made in the eighteen hundreds where people would go down into these caves in like France, I believe it is. Hold on, let me see. The spelling is real. You know, it it's it really it's a specialty, like it's a skill. British and Irish institution France plays a fascinating role in their history through direct literary inspiration, political scandals, and modern pulp culture. Oddfellows, that's the other one. There's a lot of people in the Oddfellows. That's the one I was thinking of. Oddfellows had they've been on on There's been a couple of the Ghost Adventures crew went there, the there's been a few of them that went speaking of that, guess who I started watching? Hmm. The Ghost Hunter guys? Co Kobe and what's Sam and Colby? Sam and Kobe. So Sam and Colby just got picked up by Netflix. They're pretty funny, dude. They start yeah, their next episode their next episode is gonna be on sip on tomorrow. On Netflix. Netflix picked up their series. So you can go watch all their greatest shows right now. Have you seen the one where they stay in the conjuring house for a week? Yes. They stay in there for a week. Well, they bought the Ferrar middle school, which is supposedly the ha most haunted school. You can we could actually we can actually go and investigate there. We can we it's it's like fifteen hundred dollars, you can go spend the night there, you and however many people you want. No, thank you. I I'm I know you I would look into it. No, fuck that. But the Warren House too. I want to go to the Warren House. You can they move they moved everything out of that. Not all of it, but they did move d they moved quite a bit. Elton Castie is and he's actually friends with Sam and Col. A lot of their early Sam and Colby videos had Elton Casty and And that's the guy that's partners with Rife, right? Matt Rife's partner, yeah. They bought the And I don't mean sexual partners. I mean partners in business. but I have I have El I'm actually here's something interesting. My name and a plastic angel are on the fence at the Warren House right now. Why? he did a one time deal where if you went in and you paid fifty bucks, he etched your name into a little plastic angel and hung it on the fence at the Warren House. My name is on the fence at the Warren House. You're attaching yourself to some weird shit, dude. Yeah. No, it's pretty cool. when do you go to the convention? I go to the convention November sixth. And those guys are gonna be there, right? Sam and Kobe guys. Sam and Colby will not be there. they're not gonna be there. Who the ones you you're you're going to see? Project Fear. okay. I yeah, those are those are my original, my all-time favorites. Sam and Colby are really close though. I've got to meet them at Disneyland that one time. And I wish they had gone. Just walking around or Yeah. They we walked out of our yard. we had the night before we had listened to the Sam and Colby podcast with Theo Vaughn. We looked up their escape room they just opened in Hollywood. Like me and the girls were just we loved watching Sam and Colby. And I swear to you, the first ride we got off of on Disneyland, we walked out and they were standing there. That's amazing. And we're like, there's no way. I scared the shit out of him, too. Cause I ran up and I was like, No way, no way, no way. And he's What? What? What? And I was like, I am so sorry. I've just you have no idea. We spent this whole trip talking about Sam and Colby, and here you are. And he t they were super cool, took pictures with all of us. They're young dudes, man. They're thirty they're that old? They're thirty-one, I think. okay. Yeah, they're thirty one. Maybe maybe some of the videos I saw they were super young. They just look young. Yeah. But yeah, they're they're they're about they're in their thirties. So in your experience, and I know we're getting off track from the conspiracy stuff into paranormal, but that's what we do. In your experience, like the knocking, do you hear a lot of that? Because like it seems like that's Oddly, oddly enough, knocking is one of the only things I have not come across in a And a well, I will tell you recently we were at a house. And so I we do the Estes method. So the Estes method, for you that don't know, I have a set I have what's called the p spirit box. So what the spirit box does is it goes through every radio station in the radio. So from eighty-eight point one all the way to one seven point nine at two hundred every changes a station every two hundred milliseconds. Right. Just it's just ch That's all you hear. So the theory is that in the spirit realm, they're able to use their they're able to communicate with people through radio wave. So we put noise canceling headphones on like we have now, a blindfold on, so you're complete sensory deprivation. All you hear is what's going on in on those. So you don't want to hear anything anybody's saying. So recently I was under in the STES method, and and Parker was asking the questions. And I you know I'd been under for about five minutes and I just I felt like I I thought we were under attack of some sort. Parker grabbed me so hard and like he was like, We gotta go now. And I'm like, what just happened? So when I was under, one of the things I had heard come across was this is our house now. So think about that. If it's changing a radio say station. Every 200 milliseconds to get a whole sentence out is I mean, I don't know how else you could explain it. And I heard this is our house now. At the same time that I said that, the door slammed shut and there were two big stomps on the stairs. So when I pulled the headphones and the blindfold off, one kid had tears in his eyes. You know, the other one said, We gotta go. And I was like, what is going on? They told me what was going on. So we went. I have video of I didn't we didn't have video of that happening. What where were you at? I I can't say. Yeah. And I I go up to the door and the door is swinging, which could have been there was a broken window in the house. There could have been. but we were there for the at that house for two hours, maybe two and a half hours, and it never happened again. And on the video with the door swinging, the door handle moves while we're standing there. And I'm just I was standing in the door yelling at it. And yelling at the door? At the door. Yeah. I just you just got there's video of me just standing there saying, I ain't scared of you. Bring it. you showed you showed me this video. Yeah, I'll show you. And then but yeah, that was Yeah, that was pretty pretty interesting. so the S's method was not created as a witchcraft retro. It was developed by modern paranormal researchers in twenty sixteen using electronic equipment. However, there's a deep overlap between the Esties method and witchcraft practices, particularly in how modern witches, pagans, and occultists adapt the technique for spirit work, mediumship and div divination. I I looked that up because you're you were talking about the sensory deprivation and putting yourself to where you you're really only tapping into one sense and in in in a way with You know, mean me and my practices and doing yoga and meditation and the things that you do, sometimes they do tell you lie back, put a you know, heavy blanket on or, you know, cover your eyes and you're depriving your sense of Yeah, so you're only focusing on one thing. Only focusing like on your breathing or centering yourself or you know, the only other way I've seen it done is having red light. Using just red light. Red light they use from what I've understood, using the red light helps with I can't remember how they explained it, but using a red light, and still covering your eyes but seeing red when you do it. but yeah, I've never tried scrying. scrying is where you stare into a a mirror, and try to speak or put two mirrors facing each other. That's believed to be a you know, a way of opening a portal. But I've never I've never wanted to get in that. We we've we've me and the kids that go all the time, we've we try to stay as say like we don't want to do Ouija b w boards, we don't want to do any of that, like and we pray every time. We don't we never leave without praying. but Yeah, so like I wouldn't like as as modern day which I would Not touch a Ouija board. I will not touch a Ouija board. I won't I'll go in a room with one, but I will not touch a board. People that know how to close the Ouija boards should do it. But if you don't know how to close something, you possibly open. They've been even Zach Begin's his museum, they used to use stuff like that down in in the haunted museum, like before he was there. And that's a lot of people believe that a lot of these bad Entities and stuff find a portal to come through and if you don't know how to close it out and send them back, you just leave in bad spirits stuck in the reality. So I well it's not only that, but it's like attaching it can attach to you, it can cause y you know, like there's there's dolls like Robert the Doll, I believe is what his name is, isn't it? And then Robert? Yeah, Robert, you gotta there is hundreds and hundreds. hundreds of letters from people apologizing because they didn't take him serious. So when you go in you cannot take a picture of him. You cannot where's this at? So this is in Florida. You cannot Key West, you have to ask permission, you have to greet him you have to and people don't do it and don't take it serious and their lives fall apart after being with him. They even like completely fall apart. Disease, car accidents Plane accidents, all these things happen to these people after they leave because they did not take the precautions necessary when going and visiting Robert the Doll. And this is in Key West? Yes. Yeah. So he's like the very first like he's Annabelle. He's like he's like Annabelle's. He is a just like I went bad, bad person. You know do you know Serena Engle? Yeah. She's in Key West. I wonder if she knows about this. So yeah. So like Robert the Doll and there's there's just stuff out there that like as a like as a witch that you have to take precaution doing. And even if you're not, you know, like there's plenty of people out there who've had bad experiences that can tell you, you know, say thank you when you're done, n do a prayer when you're done. Like the other day we were watching the twenty twenty one afterlife Ghostbusters movie. I'd never seen it and it's spoilers, alert in case anybody who hasn't seen it wants to skip a few seconds ahead. they use an item in the movie called an Aztec death whistle. yeah, I've seen I've I almost bought one of the immediately granted I sealed all the mirrors and the TVs in the house from any negative energy, but I immediately got up and went to my Palo Santo and it lit my Palo Santo. And I cleared my house because it's bad. Here's me right in the middle of the win the the movie. I'm like I have to pause the movie. I'm like, Are you gonna burn some shit? What's going on? Yeah, here's here's an example of so this guy wrote a letter and said, I just wanted to apologize for taking a photo before I asked permission. I must I I must not be heard, I must not have understood the instructions before I I snapped the photo of you. Since Our meeting, I have suffered a series of heartbreaking misfortunes. Please forgive me. Like this is there's thousands of these letters of people that did not take precautions and ask permission and greet him properly, and they go and they just act like it's nothing and then their lives fall apart. How so the original owner passed away in nineteen seventy four? Who got it after that? So it's in a museum. It's like Key West Art and Historical Society. Yeah. So they've had it and they've got it in a glass glass room. I'm in a room by himself and he's in a glass case and one of the guys, it might have been Sam and Colby went in there and they got a picture of it moving. they i y there's just some weird stuff around that doll. What is what's the place we went to over in the valley, that store, that Halloween store type thing? Something oddities pol tricks and oddities or tricks They have a room. Did we tell you about that, Tanner? Mm-hmm. They have a room that has a bunch of artifacts in it and Dory wouldn't go in it. But I I had She she said she was getting sick to her stomach and ski is making her th like want to throw up there there is so and I don't I mean as and for the people out there who have different beliefs and everything like that, to each your own, right? I have multiple beliefs. But Our bodies are seventy five percent water, correct? And of course we're depends on how much you hydrate, I guess. Right. We're influenced by the moon and the moon influences the water and gravity. But also like everything gives off a vibration. And I've always believed that you like if you can attune your senses through meditation or you know, how however sensory deprivation using the Estes method, that you can feel different vibrations and it opens up like basically your spirit to feel other things that are going. on around you. And because we don't use our brains so much, I think that's one way of accessing that other part of you know the other part of our brain that we don't use is do spiritual stuff. So I always believed like just going into that room the vibrations I was getting off of it, off of everything in there, whether it's one or two things or all of it, it was just overpowering in that such a little room. And then there was that doll in that back corner. And the first doll I thought of when I saw that doll was Robert Doll. Really? It had kind of that and I've never been around Robert but you even looking at the pictures, you can feel well the energy off of it. That that planchette that was framed. Yeah. That a Ouija board planchette they had there and it had the story of that. On that thing, wherever it traveled, it wreaked habit havoc and someone's house burned down. There was a really an i extensive story behind that planchette. Did you see the the music player in there? Like the old record player? And that e every time anybody ever played a record on that record player, they mysteriously died of cancer. Every single owner died of cancer after they played music on that record player. So like I don't I don't know. It's just whenever you're doing stuff like that, just take your precautions, say your prayer, protect yourself, sage if you have to, meditate, protect your energy, say thank you to the spirits for allowing you to go into their space and talk to them. And apologize if you say anything mean, be like, you know, I'm sorry I didn't take Robert, I didn't take you seriously. I'm sorry I said this or I'm you know, I'm sorry I took a picture without permission. Well most of these people are are they're past that. They're like Fuck, my whole life's messed up and they're apologizing, but it's too late. They've already been had like this guy who said car accidents. and these are all directly right after seeing Robert the doll, but yeah, I don't I I just I'd love to go see it. I mean I w obviously would take precautions, but I'm not I I'm not afraid to go see any of this stuff or go anywhere. I like I just messaged Serena to see if she answers. 'cause she lives there. And she probably I'm sure she knows about it. She But Robert the Doll, I mean that's kinda like even though they took all of the stuff from the Warren House, I mean the the the it's still there's still that's there's what's that picture on the right right there? This one? That's not that's probably a a movie. Yeah, that's not the doll. That's not the doll. That's not Robert's the Cli click on it and like full size. This one? In any one of Yeah, he's in a glass case right there. That's where he stays. But yeah. What the f Yeah, that's that that's that's this is his website, Robert the Doll dot org. Do not like that. Yeah. How do we get from the Illuminati to Robert the Doll? Mm. You brought up paranormal. That's my fault. but Yeah. anyway. Yeah, I mean I'm sure that Who's Zach Baggins? Zach he's the go r like the go he's got the longest Well, Ozzy went to go Zo longest running g ghost hunting show in the history of ghost hunting shows. He was that that doll man ghost better not have killed Ozzy. That's all I gotta say. No, he's been Zach well his sa Zah Ozzie's son is huge in the ghost hunting world. He hasn't done anything recently, but he had a lot of shows. He still does stuff with his sister, him and Kelly O go do ghost hunts. he took Sharon on one. Sharon ended up in the in the hospital after during a ghosted hunt they were somewhere and she was affected so bad that she like they found her and she had to be they thought she had died she had to be hurried to the emergency room i i can't remember it might have been was it in the queen mary she was where let me see where was she they were on a ghost hunt and she was in a room by herself and and she hit the floor where was Sharon I just noticed your hat Is that a gay pride hat? G no. It's cowboy's hat. So it's all different colors. Yeah, it's the cancer hat. So Robert is the original like whore doll for people out there who don't know. He was given as a gift to a young boy named Gene in nineteen four. Annabelle, this is what Annabelle looks like. For those people who don't know, Annabelle is like a they can't see the screen. Is an old school rag doll like Raggedy Ann, what you would imagine a doll would look like in you know, the nineteen hundreds. She was made in nineteen seventy, so about seventy ish years after Robert has already Robert's way creepier looking. So it was Santa Paula, California. That's where Jack Osbourne had taken and during his sensory deprivation Experiment on the inns third floor wearing a blindfold nose no she was doing Estee's method. Sharon Osbourne was. She suddenly went limp and became unresponsive before being rushed to the Santa Paula hospital. Medical tests at the hospital came back, she was completely normal, leaving doctors completely unable to explain how she hit the floor. Have you have you heard of that hotel in San Diego? It's supposed to be Yeah. I w I wanted to go see it on Monday. It's I think it's pretty much I think it's close to where my Airbnb is. Let me see. Can't remember what it's called. Ghost. So haunted house. So this isn't a haunted house, but have you heard or or it isn't an actual haunted house? But have you heard of that immersive haunted house in like Kentucky or whatever it is where the entrance fee is a bag of dog food? Have you heard about that? Okay. Okay. Let me let me explain to you. Do you know what house that is? It's called McCayman. Yeah, McCamie Manor. One of the worst. Like he is one of the more worst human So here's the thing. You have to be you have to Doesn't he pull like teeth out and stuff? He so you have to sign a waiver. You have to be medically cleared by a doctor. no one, no one has ever been able to complete it. It's thirty grand, right? If you complete it. It's some a huge amount of money. So it he puts you in, you have to consent to being touched. You have to consent to being hurt. You have to consent to be it's awful. But he there's a Hulu documentary about him. he's a dis he we they think he's he'd taken advantage of some girls during the like I think one passed out. I can't remember the exact story, but he is a awful Awful human being. Don't they lock you in Russ McCain in a freezer or something like that? they there's it changes every time you go. But like scroll down. You can you can what is it called? Monster Inside. Yeah, America's Most Extreme Haunted House and he's just a he's an awful person. Like he but he does Tennessee. Yeah, he does some really twenty grand. Yeah, but nobody's ever made it. There's one girl that almost made it and that's the one I think that So is the documentary worth watching or is it kind of cheesy? No, it's it it gives you insight to the whole thing and there's so like there's video clips of what he does to the people, but it's never the same. Like every time you go, he has to call the police ahead of time and tell nobody's being murdered. you know, like they're aware that he's there, what he's doing. But it makes you feel like everything you see extreme in a Hollywood scripted movie, he puts you through in real life. Yeah, but he doesn't do it to you. Like it yes, the threat of the threat of it. Yes, the threat of it. But like he locks people's Heads in boxes and fills it full of roaches. He gets you to the point of drowning. he has it it's it's crazy what he does to these people. And they ask for it. Like they want to do it. But there's been a couple that had things done to him they did not consent to. Right. and they don't know that it hasn't happened more than once. Well well, doesn't he have some people that work in And the claims against so he filed a lawsuit against Hulu and they and Hulu won't got it dismissed. Well, it doesn't I I heard some of his employees are like ex cons and and stuff like that. So I you know, that's exactly what I was gonna bring up is I I don't know Russ McCaney or anything like that. Nothing that I'm saying is about him personally, but it wouldn't surprise me if somebody Who's just sick and twisted and got out of prison and they wanted to make a quick way to make money. And they were like, why wouldn't I use the time of the year where people are into doing spooky shit? I don't think he doesn't make any money. No. No, there's no interesting. No, this is bad. He is purely in it for just his own sick and twisted mind. The entrances is A donation. I think it's just a donation of food or something else to the local dog. That's probably how he justifies well I'm doing good for the community. No, you're just a piece of shit. Right. Like if I if it's like he's doing it for purely for his sick and twisted Right. Like these days and age it's it's like you know, it's hard for people to get away with crimes because of the technology and the flock cameras and everybody has a cellphone and they can videotape and if it were me, that's how I would do it. is open a crazy haunted manor, make them sign some legal stuff and then do whatever I wanted to on It's like it was I wanna say it's twenty pages long. Yeah. And in it's in the document it says we can pull your teeth. Yeah, there's yeah but he he makes they have to go they have to prove that their heart is capable of doing it. it's just it's just no I like I don't know why anybody would want to what do you think of those haunted houses like the zombie ones where Yeah, like their paintball guns and stuff like that. That's the I mean That's kinda cool. It is kinda cool, but like I wouldn't want to do something like this I wouldn't want to do. No. There's no way I would want to physically like I like, you know, being scared, that's one thing. But like I don't want anybody touching me. No. I don't want the threat of maybe I might die and well, that's what these people are going through. Like, my God, I'm I could die doing forty page waiver. Forty page waiver before you can even at what point go in there. And he makes you sign it while he's like slapping you and stuff, like calling you names and like w like one they show one on there where he starts off in the freezing cold in their underwear, out in a field and like it's just it's weird, dude. I like and he's not making money. Like he just he's a sick human and he just likes it. I mean, but also people are lining up dude, I'm to do it all the time. It's kinda interesting to me, but I mean obviously I wouldn't do it. It's interesting because I mean w at what point like mentally and signing that forty page waiver, like do these people think twice about it and keep going or are they doing it for like an adrenaline junkie? Twenty grand rush? Twenty twenty grand. Yeah. Twenty grand is my. Have you hung out with any Drunk dude ever? Like here, hold my beer. Watch this. People do this shit all the time for fun. Drunk me would never okay No, not you. I mean dudes. No. There's probably not a lot of women going to McCayman Manor. there's quite a bit. There's a problem. Yeah. That's where it's running into problems, is like Damn women. Yeah, there's there's not real. But yeah, there's they're they're just awful, awful stuff going on. How many what time are we at right now? We're at an hour thirty one. If you're still here, thank you. I mean we can we can go on or we can wrap this one up, whatever you want to do. Let's do this. Let's wrap this one up, but I really want to dive into the Bohemian Grove next week. Okay. Like I really want to get into that. I I've I've watched quite a few videos even recently of and you can find them too. Just look at there's a bunch of people that have been sneaking into there. And like it's still so The Owl God. What's the Owl God's name? Yeah, I can't remember, but it's fuck what is the Bohemian owl? Bohemi The the Al God and the they wear robes. Owl name It's it's like owl of Minerva. Minerva. Minerva. Orathena. Orathena. Symbolizing wisdom, education in the arts. Owl of Minervach. Moloch, that's the one I was thinking of Moloch. Yeah. Ancient Canaanite deity. That's a bull. Though historians and researchers note that Moloch was traditionally depicted as a bull rather than an owl. And if you go back to the Mithras and Knights Templar, they had a bull as their deity. So yeah, if you guys want to look up two, and yeah, that's that's the owl that's the actual owl. Owl. but yeah, you can look at Alex Jones, but there was one guy that got in there and and it's on you it's all over YouTube, but he got in there talking about Alex Jones? No, not well, Alex Jones got in there during it. This guy snuck in there off when they weren't doing it. Yeah, when they weren't there, and he went through the whole place. And it's it's interesting, like you know, it's just it's just really weird. Like you think there's a and you know what? He didn't went to do a whole episode on yeah, and he went through the town and like People won't even talk about it there. Like they're like they're and they're they're not aware, but like they just seem like they're like, Mm, yeah, I don't I don't wanna know. It's close to San Francisco, it looks like. Yeah, it's it's near it's in the redwood forest, isn't it? I let me see. The owl tree lumina Red Brick Forest. Red Brick Forest. Yeah. I d I mean I don't know. If I was brought I mean you c guys can just look up online or you must do an owl. I already ate most of and there's this picture that comes up where these people are literally standing in a circle around a giant fire with a giant owl statue. And in my opinion, like they're doing witchcraft. They're sacrificing something. Whether it's animal or people or, you know, whatever. Do you don't do that and and not like you can't take this picture and then not be called like w y that's witchcraft. What are you doing? Like why you have a club of people who are in robes standing in a circle around a giant f pot like fire pit in front of this giant owl statue and you lit like if if s the people in Salem saw you doing this? you all would be dead right now. Let me let me show the picture to the peeps out there. yeah we can't talk too much about it because we're gonna talk about it next week. But I know I'm excited because personally I've never heard of this and I mean I know about the Illuminati, I know about the conspiracy theories out there. I mean I'm on Reddit, you know. But I I I mean that's crazy. It doesn't even really look like an L, does it? No, but I mean it does. No, it does. That that picture doesn't show up, but yeah, it definitely looks like an owl. Yeah. I mean I think it's just the angle of the fire and everything, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it's got the eyes and everything on it. Cool. All right, man. Let's wrap it up on this beautiful Saturday. We still got a little bit of daylight left. We can go hang out. What do you got planned, Tanner? I gotta go get my kid and I don't know, I might go ghost out. cool. That sounds like fun. Maybe. Actually, no, I'm not, because I gave my tickets to my ghost hunting partner partner. So yeah. Your U of A tickets. Yep. All right. Well thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you next week. Thank you guys. See you next week. Bye. Bye.
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הצהרה: הפודקאסט והגרפיקה המוטבעים בדף זה הם מ-Eric Walker and Tanner Johnson, שהוא רכושו של בעליו ואינו קשור או מאושר על ידי Listen Notes, Inc.
