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Most hiring processes reward people who look busy and interview well. What happens when the role underdelivers and everyone acts surprised?
Jackson talks with Chris Mursau, President of Topgrading, about a methodology built to do one thing: consistently hire and promote high performers. The core shift is from evaluating activity to evaluating outcomes, instead of resumes and rehearsed answers, Topgrading digs into a candidate's actual track record, role by role, to see what they truly produced and how.
Chris walks through why most interviews reward charisma over capability, how a deeper, evidence-based process surfaces the A players and screens out expensive mis-hires, and what it takes to raise the talent bar across an entire organization rather than one hire at a time.
You'll discover:
- Why most interviews reward charisma and rehearsed answers instead of the track record that actually predicts performance.
- How the Topgrading method digs into a candidate's real, role-by-role history to find what they truly produced.
- What it takes to raise the talent bar across an entire organization, not just on individual hires.
Press play to hear Chris Mursau's evidence-based approach to hiring the people who will actually perform.
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It's what CEOs want from HR and how the CHRO and CEO actually work together — the unwritten CHRO mandate, the human capital strategy and people strategy that show up in revenue and margin, the talent strategy and executive talent that outlast a leadership change, and the succession planning that survives a new chief executive.
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