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What if employee turnover isn't the real problem—but a symptom of something deeper inside the organization?
When people keep leaving, the typical response is to recruit faster. But hiring more people into the same environment others have already rejected doesn't solve the problem. It simply continues the cycle.
In this episode of The CLIMB: Leadership Development & Confident Leader Podcast, Rahul Karan Sharma sits down with Clark Ingram, Founder and President of People Profits and author of CHURN, to challenge some conventional thinking around employee turnover, retention, and leadership.
Clark brings an unusual perspective. He began his career in finance before his CEO asked him to take over HR during a serious workforce-retention problem. That experience changed how he thought about people, performance, and the systems behind both.
In this conversation:
- Why you can't recruit your way out of a turnover problem
- Why turnover needs an organization-specific diagnosis
- The hidden business cost of an unstable workforce
- Why people and profits aren't competing priorities
- What Clark calls the “VP disease”
- Why industry-average turnover can create false comfort
- How HR leaders can speak the language of the business
- Why listening to employees matters only when leaders act
One of the most important ideas from our conversation:
People don't always leave because of one bad manager. Sometimes they leave because the system around them no longer works.
And when leaders stop chasing symptoms and start fixing the system, retention can become an outcome—not another initiative.
About Clark Ingram:
Founder and President of People Profits, executive consultant, keynote speaker, and author of CHURN: Proven Strategies to Overcome Failing Conventional Talent Management and Achieve Zero Turnover.Connect with Clark: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clark-ingram-mba-shrm-scp-cebs-cpcu-06385111/
About Rahul Karan Sharma:
Leadership Advisor to Staffing CEOs, organizational development strategist, author, and host of The CLIMB and the Staffing Truth.
Connect with Rahul: https://linkedin.com/in/rahulkaransharma
🎙️ What would you fix inside your organization before hiring the next person?
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