Uncovering Breadcrumbs Through Grief with Guest "Book Thoughts with Angela" Episode 2

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he passed away that loss redirected me my whole life truly has been breadcrumbs.
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I experienced two miscarriages.
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Welcome, Angela, to the Breadcrumb Effect.
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We are so excited that you're on.
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We feel like we already know you.
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This has been such an honor to have you on.
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Thank you both Dani and Brittany.
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I am so happy to be here.
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I love what you both are doing.
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You're just, you're rocking it.
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this is our first time actually talking face to face.
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It's, it is.
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Yeah.
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But I know we've had many conversations on Instagram and definitely have connected there.
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so this is a pleasure, like diving deeper into who we are.
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So I.
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on Instagram we see a piece of us, we see what we want to show, right? So we're gonna use this time to dive deeper.
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We wanna know more about who you are, your history, what's gotten you, where you're at today.
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I know that you're a successful career girly, you've got your family and you've also had a painful journey to get to where you're at today.
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So I want you to share whatever you're comfortable sharing.
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We wanna hear more about your Bookstagram, but we really wanna hear about your magazine too.
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I'm here to share all of that.
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I've always had like open, I love open conversation, the vulnerability and just like sharing where we came from.
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I just think we all are going through something, so once we talk about it, there's so many more people that can relate.
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We have already found that, I mean, in almost every, every episode we've had somebody either cry, no, no pressure, or you know, laugh it.
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It's been the whole range of emotion because the whole point of us telling these stories is, you're right, we're hoping listeners feel that they feel heard or it's relatable and we've all had some sort of pain in our lives, and so if we can share how we've gone through it or we're going through it, it's only just gonna help others.
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Yep.
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I agree.
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So where on the East Coast are you? Yeah, so I'm in Pennsylvania, I'm in Delaware County.
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I'm a Delco girly.
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A lot of folks know us as being right outside of Philadelphia, go Eagles.
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Um, so yeah, I've lived here my whole life.
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you know, small town.
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my husband who's also from the same town.
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So, um, we have two sons, Nicholas and Louie.
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Um, 11 and 13.
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They keep us on our toes.
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Um, and yeah, I work full-time in corporate, so lot of different things happening, you know, and then of course my bookstagram on the side, which is, you know, my creative outlet.
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you mentioned creative outlet and I feel that everyone that we have spoken with has or wants to have or needs to have a creative outlet.
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So I wanna get into your career a little bit too.
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But I'd love to know how your creative outlet came about and what was what was calling you to start that.
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so I've always had to have a creative outlet.
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and, you know, just going to like.
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the breadcrumbs, right? It was always a loss that happened in my life that redirected me to reinvent myself, recreate myself.
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And I didn't do that by choice.
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I was like forced to.
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so if we kind of wanna like go backwards a little bit of like, where I really leaned into like creativity was in, it was really just in 2018.
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so in 2018.
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started hosting vision board workshops, so that was my creative outlet of like understanding law of attraction, um, vision boarding.
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And I started a business.
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So this was after I experienced two miscarriages.
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So that was where, you know, oh, I took a loss, I turned that grief into, um, something bigger.
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in 2018, I started those vision board workshops working with like small businesses.
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I worked with like a women's shelter.
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I made vision board kits.
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I really was like.
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Putting it out there for people to use law of attraction in their life.
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And this goes back to providing magazines.
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Like I brought all of the materials to these workshops, loads and containers of magazines, canvas boards, um, glue, everything that you needed to be successful in vision board, uh, workshops.
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So that was where I really leaned into my creative outlet.
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Only did that till about a little bit after COVID.
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Once COVID hit, you know, I had to juggle my kids being at home, me working virtually, which I never have done prior.
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and then I kind of was burned out, so I stopped.
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I gave myself a little bit of a break.
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And then there was another loss that happened.
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The biggest loss that ha really have ha happened in our lives.
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Um, my brother Anthony, he passed away in 2021.
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so that loss redirected me again, made me reinvent myself.
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Not on, not that I wanted to, but I had to channel my grief into something else.
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So, um, yeah.
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So it was about four months after my brother passed.
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I was sitting there.
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I was, was reading at this time, you know, I really did get back into reading after COVID and I'm looking at my phone, going through my photos and I'm like, wait, I have so many pictures of books.
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Let's do something with this.
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You know, like, I need to like, talk about what I go through and.
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Honestly, having like open forums and like just be being vulnerable and sharing has really helped heal me.
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Um, so I was like, let's, let's go into Bookstagram.
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Why not? I'm one that follows my intuition when I feel that nudge I believe in it.
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And just created my bookstagram and it really helped me turn grief into a community.
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And that's what we're doing now.
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Like my platform is larger than I thought that it would even be.
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You know, I've been doing this for a few years, um, but not that it's about the numbers, but it's just about like the people that I've met.
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The healing that has really helped me in creating, even if it's a real right, like just putting my voice and putting my emotions and my feelings into content has helped me.
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But of course the reading re I, and I like to say, I always say.
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For me, reading is greater than or equal to therapy.
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And that's just in my experience.
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Like I tried the therapy route of like the traditional talking to someone and for me it just wasn't it, you know? And I'm not saying I would never try that again, but I have found in this moment what's helping me at this moment is reading and sharing and creating in my digital magazine, which is where now I'm now creating, I now created this digital magazine.
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It's called the Renewal Reader.
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it's a seasonal digital magazine.
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It's a free download where I'm pretty much just taking content that I may have on my page and sharing it in a different format that may reach that aren't seeing it on Instagram, that may not have that platform.
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And it's really for.
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who may be healing through something or going through something and they're ready, they're ready for like that inner comeback.
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'cause I'm very loud about my healing journey.
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Um, and you know, I, it's, it's just been ama it's been helpful.
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It's been amazing.
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And, you know, I just, I love, you know, connecting with others through the journey.
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Wow.
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Angela, Yeah.
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to say thank you for your vulnerability and sharing that.
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I mean, I literally like, I feel like my heart is beating fast for you right now.
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Um.
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You, you said something that was, you said two things that were really interesting to me.
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said you, you wanted to turn your grief into something else, which, wow.
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Because when you're going through something like that, you don't always think about that, right? You're thinking internally, know, Hey, this happened to me.
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I'm, I'm suffering a loss.
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You know, but you're kind of, both instances, you turned your grief to helping And I have to wonder, and I don't know if this is the right question to ask, but when you were growing up in your household, did you talk about your feelings a lot? Were you always loud and sharing things? Because in some families, you kind of, you know, shove it under the rug when you're going through something.
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Yeah, I, was not one to share my emotions badly.
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No, that's a great question.
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Um, I wasn't, mm-hmm.
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And not, and not that I couldn't, you know, not that I was told I couldn't express myself or, you know, I was held back in any way.
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Um, but I think that.
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just what I chose.
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Maybe that's what felt the safest at that time.
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And you know, as you get older, you build the confidence.
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You know, I'll be, I'm turning 40 next week and I think confidence really has.
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Yeah, happy birthday.
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Thank you.
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But like confidence comes with time.
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It comes with experience, it comes with the people that you surround yourself with, you know? What I like is your voice is coming through your creativity and it is very full circle what we're hearing you delivering these magazines for other people to use their hands and clip and create things to impact in their own life.
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And then here you are using your voice to create a magazine to only make that a full circle and it's impacting your life positively.
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It's, it's amazing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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it's been a journey for sure.
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but I really feel like, you know how I talked about in 2018 doing those vision board workshops, there were breadcrumbs there.
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Like my whole life truly has been breadcrumbs.
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During that time of doing the vision board workshops, I was so heavily involved in like self-development, self-growth, um, through podcasts, through books that when I did, when my brother passed away and I was, you know, our whole world was turned upside down.
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I do believe that I was so deep into like the self-development part that it was like preparing me somehow for this loss.
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And I think about that a lot.
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Like if I didn't have that, you know, that the mental state and like being, being strong mentally and physically, emotionally, I would've never survived, you know? The way that I think I am now, you know? Um, and as a mom, having sons, like I didn't have a choice.
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Like, the world does not stop when you have tragedy in life.
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And that honestly is the hardest part.
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So I knew I had to be a light, I knew that I had to find something that was gonna keep me afloat for them.
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So, you know, it, it, it really has, it really has helped.
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I'm so glad that it, it, it's, yeah, it's like these breadcrumbs are planted within you.
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I, and I like that you used the word vision boarding and law of attraction.
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And that's why we did a whole three-part series on that because we're also believers and we know that it works and it has, and we just wanted to continue helping people.
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So I hope people hearing your story as well, they know that they can also have that positive impact with their, with their own lives.
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with that, I you, I learned a new word, and I hope I'm saying it right, it's sync curiosity, which is something that, it's like a theme or a word that continues to pop up within your life in a given period of time, right? So for example, you might be reading one book, and this happens to me quite a bit where I'll hear a word.
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and then that word will pop up in several books in a row, but I would like to hear if that concept has happened for you, but with your brother.
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Like has that happened within your reading or with the magazine that you've put out? Yeah.
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Yeah, I'd never heard of that word.
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So that's I.
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cool.
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Thanks for sharing that.
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I know that I read a lot of books with grief, I don't think I do it on purpose, but I love literary fiction.
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And literary fiction seems to have grief in them, almost all of them I feel like, but that's my favorite genre.
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reading has been part of my healing journey, it's, it helps me have more empathy.
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It helps me, you know, not feel alone, less alone.
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Um, it, it really helps me like understand how other people are coping.
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Maybe there's ways that I can implement that in my life.
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so that's the first thing that comes to mind.
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So, not a specific word, but a theme.
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your breadcrumbs are kind of f.
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Fulfilled by grief.
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Grief happened.
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That was your, your breadcrumb moment was, you know, the loss of, of babies, right? Miscarriages.
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And then that kind of ignited something within you for the, workshops and everything and manifesting and vision boards.
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And then you had a, a very tragic loss of your brother, another breadcrumb in your life that kind of caused you to start magazine and, and this path, which might have never happened.
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so breadcrumbs, you know, sometimes you think of a breadcrumb as like, oh, something cool that happened.
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But it's not always that it can come from tragedy.
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Yes, yes.
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And I never really thought of that either.
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cause when you think of it, just like internally, it really has been losses that like, made me reinvent myself time and time again.
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In part of our preheating, Brittany and I are interviewing each other, and we hadn't even realized that we had lost babies as well at the exact same time.
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So we both feel your pain and how it just just sucks.
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Sucks.
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And I'm so sorry you both had to go through that too.
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that's very difficult and I, it doesn't matter how far along you are, it doesn't ma it never, it's a loss is a loss, for us, our rainbow babies are the ones that brought us together, so we thought, but it was really the Okay.
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lost that we had no idea that wouldn't have, wouldn't have had the other babies, if not, and we met because our Oh, and they're born the same month, same year.
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that is beautiful.
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I love that.
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So I would like to hear if maybe off the top of your head, 'cause I know that you're good about book recommendations.
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maybe your top two or three books on grief that you recommend to some listeners.
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Gosh, there's a lot.
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the ones that I'm not gonna, that I don't actually have physical copies of, because 99% of my books I borrow from the library.
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I am a huge library advocate.
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I'm all about getting that library card, you know, using the resources that your taxes are paying for, right? And saving space and money.
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so books that aren't shown here about grief would be, Blue Sisters.
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Great book there.
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I would say the Wedding People, I do love the wedding people.
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There's a little bit of grief there.
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but my favorite, highly recommend Remarkably Bright Creatures.
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This is being turned into a movie.
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This is one of my favorite books, and I know I read this at the right time because it's really about a woman and an octopus out of all, out of all an octopus named Marlis, and he's my favorite fictional character.
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Um, I don't want to spoil anything, but please read this are on my TBR, so I might need to bump those up pretty quickly.
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Definitely 10 outta 10.
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Now, this one is very underrated in my opinion.
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Very heavy on grief, very heavy on art, and really like having that creative outlet.
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So this is You Made a Fool of Death with your Beauty.
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I do not want to pronounce her name incorrectly.
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She is on Instagram, but I love this covers like beautiful and look at Yeah.
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this one you do not see a lot of, but highly recommend.
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So Also, I like seeing sprayed edges outside of the fantasy genre.
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Like let's just take say that.
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that's very true.
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So they're my recommendations.
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Angela, I was wondering, you mentioned a lot about community and how like talking about your grief has obviously helped you and many others.
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I think too often we don't talk about our grief because either we don't feel comfortable enough doing it, or especially if maybe we haven't experienced that grief, we don't know how to talk to the other person, and we don't know what kind of space to allow for that.
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So my question would be like, what would you say to someone, it's, I feel like it's easier to relate with someone who's gone through it, maybe someone who hasn't gone through a major death in their life.
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How would you want your friends to show up for you and what would, what advice would you give for them to like continue to show up? Because even guys, I feel that, oh, dies and you know, you maybe get some sympathy for a month or two, and then people kind of like, oh, I don't wanna bring it up.
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I don't wanna talk about it.
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It's helpful to talk about it, so I need your Mm-hmm.
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You may have a loss and right away you may have a lot of people that are there for you, right? And it's a beautiful thing and it's something that you never forget.
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You never forget who showed up.
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You never forget who showed up at the funeral and you'll never forget who didn't show up at the funeral.
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Right? so what happens down the line is people will, fall off, right? They're not gonna maybe check on you as often, but that's life.
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We're all busy.
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We all have different priorities, okay? But one thing that I think really goes a long way is send, just send a text.
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Hey, thinking of you.
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It's very low maintenance, right? Send a simple text when, when they come to mind.
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I always say when someone comes to mind, no matter what.
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Send them a text to say hi.
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'cause there's a reason why that person came into your brain.
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and I never really thought of that until after, you know, um, my brother passed.
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so it really is just sending that text.
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It doesn't have to be like, oh, we have to meet up for lunch.
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We have to, that's, that's a lot to ask of somebody, but just the check-in goes a really long way.
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The check in with no expectation that they need to respond.
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It's just exactly, you're absolutely correct.
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Just putting it out there, sending it and letting it just sit.
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Low maintenance it reduces the pressure on both ends.
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It's just you're putting it out there and they probably appreciate it.
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like to hear how after these multiple losses and you being, you know, you having a career, how has that made you show up differently at work? yeah, so I've been at my career, um, for 18 years.
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I've been at my career, for 18 years.
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The same company, which always been very supportive and really, um, like I love what I do.
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I have changed positions within the company numerous times.
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but what I can say is, you know, after the loss, yes, the company was supportive, but can't be away from work that long.
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Like, I was only away from work for maybe two weeks.
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That's all that I had.
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didn't have, the opportunity, I could have went on FMLA, you know, by law you can do that for maybe six months or so, but you don't get, you know, you don't get paid.
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and I thought about just doing that, you know, for the six months.
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But I know myself and I knew that all I would be doing anyway is sitting home on the couch, just, you know, thoughts going crazy.
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'cause I know myself, that is not the head space I wanted to be in.
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So I am one that like likes to stay active and moving.
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As time went on.
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I knew that I did not want to commute into the city of Philadelphia every day, because I wanted to be more present.
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I didn't wanna be as far away from home, know, as my kids are in school, I wanted something closer to home and maybe a little less, taxing, so I did find a new position within the company that was a little bit more laid back, closer to home.
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Um, because my priorities changed.
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I did not wanna keep climbing up the ladder because that is not what is important to me.
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It really is about being present, being closer to home, um, and still having a career that I love.
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But I have to have room for a side like my side creative outlet.
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So really a lot of the rethinking went into a job position that wasn't so demanding.
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And I did make that happen.
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And that took strategy, that took visualization.
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That took the manifesting energy for sure.
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I like that it was a priority shift.
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'cause sometimes it's no longer about what you can do.
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You know, you could go for more, you're capable of going for more, but sometimes it's more empowering to know that you can and choosing not to.
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Oh my gosh.
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You're so right.
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It is very empowering.
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It's so empowering to say No, thank you.
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Thank you.
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But no, thank you those opportunities.
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'cause I did, um, you know, I was able to say just right now isn't the right time.
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So you're right, it's very empowering and you know, in the future, if.
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opportunity came up and I felt like I was in a different space in my life, you know, maybe it will be there.
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You know, opportunities come all the time.
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Right? Like when we're open to them, they flow in.
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That's true.
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When we asked Mel Robbins about breadcrumbs in her own life, what I love about what she said is exactly what you just said.
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When you open up something into the universe, you know, you state what you want, you declare what you want, or you create the vision board, you then start seeing it everywhere.
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The signs, things start falling in your lap.
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Or one of the books we recently recommended was, Designing Your Life, it doesn't have a name for this phenomenon, but even these scientists from Stanford State in the book, you state it.
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Things just, you know, you'll be at an airport and you'll see the person that's the hiring manager.
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It's like there's no way to explain how it happens.
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It just does.
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It's such, I, I love that.
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And I, I think it's always something to move with in life.
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Like just knowing the possibilities, right? Like, just knowing that that can happen at any time.
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Expect miracles, right? Like we always hear that.
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That's something that I try to tell myself all the time.
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Expect miracles.
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So I love that.
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So junk journaling shows up on your Bookstagram.
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So did that come before vision boarding? Has that always been something that you've done and or, you know, what came first basically? And then for those listeners that maybe don't know, you know, what is junk journaling? Yeah.
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So junk journaling came after the vision board, in 2020, I was introduced to junk journaling.
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and I will give her a shout out.
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She's at Thrifty Day.
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that's how I was introduced to it junk journaling is basically scrap booking's, younger sister.
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you have like your concert tickets, maybe, uh, receipts from going out to dinner.
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Some of it we throw in the trash, right.
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But some of it we really wanna keep.
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Um, so you can put it into your journal, easy, simple tools that you need, glue, scissors, tape, um, and then you just write about it.
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So it's, and now like I said, I'm turning 40 and I've, I'm on my junk journal and Hmm.
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I've been doing recently is going through the last seven, and I'm just like, wow.
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Like I'm able to capture what my thirties looked like.
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where I'm heading.
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So it's been so nice to look back on.
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Um, so that's a huge creative outlet.
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and really looking at it as being something my kids can have later on.
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know, something that will help them not forget where they came from and regular day, mundane things that we do.
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They can look at it and be like, oh, my parents did this with me.
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Like, oh, me and my brother did this together because I'm really, my biggest thing right now is just making sure that they keep a close relationship.
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My sons are very close.
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They have like the same group of friends and that may not always stay like that, you know, but I want them to always remember to like, be there for each other first and always have each other's back.
343
00:29:30,620.7182891 --> 00:29:35,300.7182891
So I just hope that these junk journals help them remember who they are.
344
00:29:36,320.7182891 --> 00:29:37,520.7182891
it's been really fun.
345
00:29:37,520.7182891 --> 00:29:39,470.7182891
Another like low maintenance.
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Type of craft.
347
00:29:41,210.7182891 --> 00:29:46,190.7182891
'cause you're using things that are just, you know, laying around and coming into your life.
348
00:29:46,215.5067332 --> 00:29:46,790.7182891
This is cool.
349
00:29:46,804.0062005 --> 00:29:56,41.0328097
Like you write about it, or do you have them have their own junk journal too? no, I only do it and I read about it from my perspective.
350
00:29:56,491.0328097 --> 00:29:58,141.0328097
But you're onto something, Brittany.
351
00:29:58,531.0328097 --> 00:30:13,921.0328097
That may be something we should start doing with our kids, you know, but maybe like, even if we just start it, you know, as parents, we'll probably we hope that maybe we'll influence them do that later on.
352
00:30:14,45.8279777 --> 00:30:18,10.8279777
I like that you're giving them something that they'll be able to cherish later on.
353
00:30:18,580.8279777 --> 00:30:24,820.8279777
They won't probably understand now how much it means to have that, but at some point they will.
354
00:30:24,820.8279777 --> 00:30:37,210.8279777
And the other thing that I like about that is it's not a digital footprint, right? Like, yes, we met and you're here because of the digital footprint, and we're able to reach list listeners because of the digital footprint.
355
00:30:37,210.8279777 --> 00:30:44,920.8279777
But that's not always the priority in life, right? Like what is most important in our life is our, our relationships, our family, our physical relationships.
356
00:30:44,920.8279777 --> 00:30:47,980.8279777
So what I like about that is it's a physical thing that you're doing.
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It's tangible.
358
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You, you see it, you hold it, you have it, you give it.
359
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And so I like that.
360
00:30:53,205.8279777 --> 00:30:53,285.8279777
Mm-hmm.
361
00:30:53,498.3279777 --> 00:30:53,788.3279777
Yeah.
362
00:30:53,973.3279777 --> 00:30:55,143.3279777
Thank you so much.
363
00:30:55,260.6757851 --> 00:30:56,850.6757851
I have mentioned, thrifty Day.
364
00:30:57,120.6757851 --> 00:31:00,75.6757851
I used to purchase the books that she created.
365
00:31:01,200.6757851 --> 00:31:07,560.6757851
'cause they were very like vintage, taking children's books little golden books like Disney specifically.
366
00:31:07,890.6757851 --> 00:31:19,410.6757851
She would take them and take all the pages out and use the front page of the book and the back and stuff it with everything that she wanted to create.
367
00:31:19,740.6757851 --> 00:31:21,870.6757851
And then I would purchase it from her.
368
00:31:23,670.6757851 --> 00:31:36,660.6757851
I mean, they're beautiful, but I was like, you know what? I can probably start doing this, like with my you know? So I ended up getting like a dollar 25 composition book, and I use that now.
369
00:31:36,960.6757851 --> 00:31:40,170.6757851
You know, like you can, I use a lot, use magazines.
370
00:31:40,170.6757851 --> 00:31:50,340.6757851
I use magazines to cover like the white pages of the book, you know, with whatever's calling me, paste it on with a glue stick and then add my junk to it.
371
00:31:50,790.6757851 --> 00:31:53,610.6757851
So there's just so many ways that you can do it.
372
00:31:53,610.6757851 --> 00:32:07,540.6757851
This is a really cool concept because, you know, and, and to your point, Dani, what you were saying is like having something tangible that you are gone and when you do leave this earth, that they have something as a reminder.
373
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Mm-hmm.
374
00:32:07,930.6757851 --> 00:32:13,690.6757851
And there's something about your parents or grandparents or family members' handwriting.
375
00:32:13,960.6757851 --> 00:32:19,60.6757851
I don't know what it is, but when you read something that they wrote like physically on paper.
376
00:32:20,260.6757851 --> 00:32:20,980.6757851
Exactly.
377
00:32:21,370.6757851 --> 00:32:26,230.6757851
I still see stuff from my grandma who passed away over 10 years ago, and I'm like, oh.
378
00:32:26,620.6757851 --> 00:32:27,610.6757851
Nina wrote this.
379
00:32:28,60.6757851 --> 00:32:30,150.1757851
It can be something so silly too, Yeah.
380
00:32:30,550.6757851 --> 00:32:35,470.6757851
this was a book for you because I love you, I'm like, this is amazing.
381
00:32:35,470.6757851 --> 00:32:39,220.6757851
So I love this junk journal idea and I'm fucking doing it.
382
00:32:39,296.5464118 --> 00:32:39,516.5464118
Oh.
383
00:32:41,164.0464118 --> 00:32:47,254.0464118
Remember that great text we got? I really cherish that text message.
384
00:32:48,922.5795976 --> 00:32:49,742.5795976
I'm pinning that.
385
00:32:51,242.2418386 --> 00:32:52,832.2418386
Yes, I know.
386
00:32:52,832.2418386 --> 00:33:06,727.2418386
So, yeah, like, like you had the tattoo, Dani, like a lot of, I see a lot of people take like love mom, love dad, and like tattoo that on themselves and you know, I have that written a lot, so you never know what they'll do with that.
387
00:33:06,774.5235916 --> 00:33:19,317.3779946
So before we dive into your Renewal, reader magazine is there anything that you were hoping that we would cover today that we haven't covered yet? any other piece of advice or any other breadcrumbs that have come out.
388
00:33:19,721.7417641 --> 00:33:30,461.7417641
I just feel like our life, everything is in hindsight, right? So it's like you never realize what you're being for in the moment.
389
00:33:30,881.7417641 --> 00:33:43,541.7417641
So I think it's very important for us, your listeners, just to like look back, to take some time to like reflect what the past decade has been.
390
00:33:43,841.7417641 --> 00:33:56,861.7417641
And I feel like if you take pen to paper and you just write down like, you know, the accomplishments, the losses, the, just that comes to mind, there will be a breadcrumb there.
391
00:33:56,861.7417641 --> 00:33:57,311.7417641
Yeah.
392
00:33:57,431.7417641 --> 00:34:00,251.7417641
So, you know, I think, I think we all have it.
393
00:34:00,491.7417641 --> 00:34:02,951.7417641
It's just that sometimes it's hard to see.
394
00:34:02,951.7417641 --> 00:34:10,511.7417641
but think once you realize it, it gives us more optimism in our life for sure.
395
00:34:10,616.2153636 --> 00:34:14,241.4392463
Last night I just texted a picture to Brittany, so I'm going through my phone.
396
00:34:15,51.4392463 --> 00:34:18,771.4392463
Deleting photos and videos to free up space, like as we do.
397
00:34:18,891.4392463 --> 00:34:25,11.4392463
Because unfortunately in these creative ventures, they take up a lot of phone space, as you know.
398
00:34:26,901.4392463 --> 00:34:29,211.4392463
And there is, and right.
399
00:34:29,211.4392463 --> 00:34:39,291.4392463
As readers, it's so funny how often we take pictures of like a quote or a page or a cover, and so I had taken a photo of a page from a book I actually didn't like.
400
00:34:39,291.4392463 --> 00:34:42,441.4392463
I ended up giving it to Brittany, which is also funny.
401
00:34:42,441.4392463 --> 00:34:43,191.4392463
I didn't like this.
402
00:34:43,191.4392463 --> 00:34:43,761.4392463
Here have it.
403
00:34:43,941.4392463 --> 00:34:48,771.4392463
No, but she likes the author and, and I took a picture of this page.
404
00:34:50,639.4392463 --> 00:34:52,554.4392463
I was saying I was excited when you gave it to me.
405
00:34:52,615.2987635 --> 00:34:55,807.077536
But I don't even remember taking this photo of a page.
406
00:34:56,227.077536 --> 00:34:59,497.077536
And I read the page last night and it was all about.
407
00:35:00,322.077536 --> 00:35:05,392.077536
He was talking about how he doesn't understand people that, like you said, listen to their gut.
408
00:35:05,392.077536 --> 00:35:16,282.077536
He's like, I don't understand the people when they don't listen to their gut, you know, they're working in these career jobs, they might be earning 100,000, you know, $300,000 a year.
409
00:35:16,342.077536 --> 00:35:22,192.077536
And they have this whisper in the back of their head of this creative venture that they might wanna go off on a partner.
410
00:35:22,372.077536 --> 00:35:25,612.077536
And he was basically describing what Brittany and I are doing today.
411
00:35:25,672.077536 --> 00:35:28,522.077536
And I took this photo four years ago.
412
00:35:28,702.077536 --> 00:35:31,604.577536
It was wild Oh my gosh.
413
00:35:31,612.077536 --> 00:35:33,112.077536
before I even met Brittany.
414
00:35:33,389.577536 --> 00:35:33,749.577536
Yeah.
415
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Love to hear that.
416
00:35:35,159.577536 --> 00:35:35,519.577536
Yep.
417
00:35:35,699.577536 --> 00:35:42,179.577536
And that's like, that's like confirmation for you that you're on the right path, you know? Um, yeah.
418
00:35:42,179.577536 --> 00:35:42,779.577536
Exactly.
419
00:35:42,829.577536 --> 00:35:48,484.577536
I was just gonna say, Angela, you made a really good point, which you had said it earlier, but I don't think we caught it.
420
00:35:48,814.577536 --> 00:35:49,984.577536
You mentioned that, you know.
421
00:35:50,659.577536 --> 00:35:54,469.577536
Breadcrumbs or life in general is, you know, hindsight is 2020.
422
00:35:54,469.577536 --> 00:35:55,849.577536
There's a reason that's a saying.
423
00:35:57,229.577536 --> 00:36:17,269.577536
you mentioned that you are about to turn 40 and you're going through your junk journal and seeing, okay, what, what has happened in the past decade of my life? And what's so funny about that is I was, um, it was on my birthday last year, I went to Town Lake, which is like a lake that you can walk around, uh, here in Austin.
424
00:36:18,139.577536 --> 00:36:24,259.577536
I was a little in my feelings 'cause we were building a house and it was just like, honestly hell, okay.
425
00:36:24,379.577536 --> 00:36:25,789.577536
So I was just like, oh my God.
426
00:36:25,789.577536 --> 00:36:27,799.577536
This year was like so crappy.
427
00:36:28,159.577536 --> 00:36:31,729.577536
I didn't do anything fun and it was just all about the house.
428
00:36:32,449.577536 --> 00:36:34,699.577536
I said, I'm gonna go look through my photos.
429
00:36:34,819.577536 --> 00:36:37,759.577536
I just sat there, I journaled a little on what I was grateful for.
430
00:36:37,969.577536 --> 00:36:41,209.577536
Then I was being a little bitch, honestly, and I was like, oh, I'm mad.
431
00:36:41,449.577536 --> 00:36:42,679.577536
So I went through my photos.
432
00:36:42,859.577536 --> 00:36:46,9.577536
I realized I did so much fun shit.
433
00:36:46,579.577536 --> 00:36:46,999.577536
I was like.
434
00:36:47,479.577536 --> 00:36:48,384.077536
You Yes.
435
00:36:48,499.577536 --> 00:36:49,39.577536
girl.
436
00:36:50,149.577536 --> 00:36:54,534.077536
This was a Right? am I talking about? then I was going, Yes.
437
00:36:55,249.577536 --> 00:36:56,269.577536
about how grateful I was.
438
00:36:56,269.577536 --> 00:36:57,529.577536
But I was like, man, it's so true.
439
00:36:57,619.577536 --> 00:37:04,819.577536
We think about the negatives, that that's what stays forefront of our mind we go in and we dig for good moments.
440
00:37:04,819.577536 --> 00:37:05,389.577536
Yes.
441
00:37:05,419.577536 --> 00:37:06,79.577536
Oh my gosh.
442
00:37:06,244.577536 --> 00:37:07,699.577536
I, I love that, Brittany.
443
00:37:07,969.577536 --> 00:37:08,239.577536
Yeah.
444
00:37:08,239.577536 --> 00:37:11,479.577536
I mean, we have to create the.
445
00:37:12,319.577536 --> 00:37:16,849.577536
The moments, right? Like we, we have to really, we're guiding our life.
446
00:37:16,879.577536 --> 00:37:20,479.577536
We are the pilot, right? We hear this all the time.
447
00:37:20,719.577536 --> 00:37:25,69.577536
It's up to us to keep ourselves on the right direction.
448
00:37:25,399.577536 --> 00:37:31,789.577536
It's up to us to find those glimmers of, of hope, and just stay the course.
449
00:37:31,819.577536 --> 00:37:36,499.577536
'cause you know, there's a reason why we're all doing what we're doing.
450
00:37:36,739.577536 --> 00:37:38,389.577536
You know, it, it was planet.
451
00:37:38,389.577536 --> 00:37:44,719.577536
I do feel like it, it was seeds were planet and we just have to, you know, keep watering them for sure.
452
00:37:44,719.577536 --> 00:37:59,471.2442027
You know, Angela, we know about The Renewal Reader, but for anyone who's listening who doesn't know what it is and doesn't know what it's about, can you kind of share a little bit more about it? this digital magazine is really for the reader who is going through something.
453
00:37:59,471.2442027 --> 00:38:04,421.2442027
They're healing, they're trying to heal through something, but they're ready for their inner comeback.
454
00:38:04,901.2442027 --> 00:38:19,121.2442027
So I'm using my voice as I am very loud about my healing journey and trying to bring others along with me so that they can heal through what they're going through, through reading, through creativity, and through community.
455
00:38:19,151.2442027 --> 00:38:26,51.2442027
I've received really great feedback and I'm just so grateful for the people that have like really, Jumped into it with me.
456
00:38:26,351.2442027 --> 00:38:31,661.2442027
Um, you know, I had ARC readers, I had, you know, just people provide feedback.
457
00:38:31,661.2442027 --> 00:38:36,581.2442027
Either it was like, Hey, you have to fix this, or maybe you wanna do this.
458
00:38:36,581.2442027 --> 00:38:42,251.2442027
I'm just so grateful for those people that are, you know, me in my journey as well.
459
00:38:42,281.2442027 --> 00:38:44,741.2928315
So, you'll get a lot of inspiration.
460
00:38:44,831.2928315 --> 00:38:46,631.2928315
It's a lot of reading, inspiration.
461
00:38:46,631.2928315 --> 00:38:51,221.2928315
It's a lot of hope and it's a lot of you not feeling alone.
462
00:38:51,221.2928315 --> 00:38:52,91.2928315
This is important.
463
00:38:52,203.2928315 --> 00:38:55,358.2928315
an A reader or maybe I was one of an early subscriber.
464
00:38:55,388.2928315 --> 00:38:56,588.2928315
I don't remember, but it's great.
465
00:38:56,588.2928315 --> 00:38:57,518.2928315
I can attest to that.
466
00:38:57,540.7928315 --> 00:38:58,200.7928315
you so much.
467
00:38:58,200.7928315 --> 00:38:59,550.7928315
No, I appreciate that.
468
00:38:59,550.7928315 --> 00:39:05,550.7928315
It's been really such a fun and healing journey for me, like just creating it.
469
00:39:05,673.3386436 --> 00:39:06,303.3386436
So true.
470
00:39:06,463.3386436 --> 00:39:10,273.3386436
your renewal reader is a breadcrumb for somebody else.
471
00:39:10,273.3386436 --> 00:39:14,323.3386436
Like you're leaving this for future readers, other readers.
472
00:39:14,623.3386436 --> 00:39:17,863.3386436
So it's gonna be really neat to see what stories come out of this magazine.
473
00:39:17,863.3386436 --> 00:39:33,903.3386436
But I would like to hear, What are you most proud of about producing it? Maybe what surprised you so far in the journey? And then third, where are you hoping this goes, and what is your goal for the future of the magazine? So, the goal is continue being consistent.
474
00:39:33,903.3386436 --> 00:39:38,343.3386436
for me right now it's just continue pushing the content out.
475
00:39:38,703.3386436 --> 00:39:41,793.3386436
The biggest challenge has been.
476
00:39:43,53.3386436 --> 00:39:50,533.3386436
Finding the time do the planning of what table contents will look like.
477
00:39:50,533.3386436 --> 00:39:54,223.3386436
I want it to be something that isn't just about me.
478
00:39:54,433.3386436 --> 00:39:59,863.3386436
'cause that's not, that's another thing I'm trying to take, not being able to just keep talking about me.
479
00:39:59,863.3386436 --> 00:40:01,813.3386436
I would really wanna focus on the community.
480
00:40:02,23.3386436 --> 00:40:10,103.3386436
So I wanna make this a little bit more community driven as well, but what I, I just love that my love of magazines.
481
00:40:10,463.3386436 --> 00:40:17,458.3386436
Has converted me into being like an editor of one, you know, and you know, this is through Canva.
482
00:40:17,463.3386436 --> 00:40:20,303.3386436
Canva is a great platform to create through.
483
00:40:20,783.3386436 --> 00:40:24,203.3386436
Um, it helped me like build my mailing list.
484
00:40:24,473.3386436 --> 00:40:30,753.3386436
So that is really great because if Instagram goes down, I can still connect with my people, in other ways.
485
00:40:30,753.3386436 --> 00:40:40,203.3386436
that has been really, really nice and just, helps me like mentally know that I can still have some sort of reach but this is like a free download.
486
00:40:40,203.3386436 --> 00:40:44,643.3386436
I have a link right in my bio on @bookthoughtswithangela on Instagram.
487
00:40:45,3.3386436 --> 00:40:48,543.3386436
Um, once you put your email in, you get it, you get it automatically.
488
00:40:48,543.3386436 --> 00:40:49,743.3386436
it's been really fun.
489
00:40:49,906.8886271 --> 00:40:59,625.6657848
Definitely, understanding the logistics and how all that works has been a challenge, but I love learning new things and technology, so Thanks.
490
00:40:59,666.1657848 --> 00:41:08,846.1657848
say to everyone here because you know, again, we've been able to see it and experience it, but you mentioned that it's for anyone who's looking for their inner comeback and who is dealing with something.
491
00:41:09,506.1657848 --> 00:41:10,796.1657848
Guys, this is for everyone.
492
00:41:10,856.1657848 --> 00:41:12,386.1657848
Everyone is dealing with something.
493
00:41:12,416.1657848 --> 00:41:13,766.1657848
We all wanna come back.
494
00:41:13,766.1657848 --> 00:41:15,356.1657848
We all need an inter comeback.
495
00:41:15,626.1657848 --> 00:41:23,439.3416281
So go download the renewal reader going through something so, you know, it's not even just like loss.
496
00:41:23,439.3416281 --> 00:41:23,799.3416281
It could be.
497
00:41:24,984.3416281 --> 00:41:34,344.3416281
A divorce, a challenge, just everyone's healing through something and there will be something there that you can hold onto.
498
00:41:34,354.3416281 --> 00:41:34,894.3416281
So true.
499
00:41:34,984.3416281 --> 00:41:38,794.3416281
And something that I wanna say, and maybe this will bleed into one of our segments, I don't know.
500
00:41:38,794.3416281 --> 00:41:47,966.8416281
this isn't necessarily tied to your magazine, but I think it goes with the, the theme of it is, you know, our outlook on life and where we're going and the direction that we're going is, Yeah.
501
00:41:48,214.3416281 --> 00:41:55,894.3416281
what I like about your perspective on turning 40 is you're not looking at it like, oh my gosh, I'm turning 40.
502
00:41:56,929.3416281 --> 00:42:00,139.3416281
For one, I can tell that you're very focused on your health.
503
00:42:00,169.3416281 --> 00:42:08,749.3416281
That's very evident in your account, but you also have a very positive outlook to turning 40, and I just think that that needs to be noted as well.
504
00:42:08,831.8416281 --> 00:42:10,151.8416281
Oh, thank you.
505
00:42:10,181.8416281 --> 00:42:11,471.8416281
No, I appreciate that.
506
00:42:11,861.8416281 --> 00:42:16,751.8416281
And I do, I think I have another breadcrumb to share now that we're talking about turning 40.
507
00:42:16,751.8416281 --> 00:42:23,831.8416281
growing up I watched, uh, Wheel of Fortune faithfully with my grandparents in the living room.
508
00:42:24,311.8416281 --> 00:42:34,151.8416281
So when I found out that they were coming to Philadelphia in September, just kept seeing it on my Instagram and just kept pushing it off.
509
00:42:34,451.8416281 --> 00:42:39,251.8416281
The day before I said to my husband, you know what? I think I'm just gonna show up.
510
00:42:39,251.8416281 --> 00:42:43,451.8416281
I have vacation time that I need to use, like, I'm gonna take a day off and go.
511
00:42:43,511.8416281 --> 00:42:44,861.8416281
And I did.
512
00:42:45,341.8416281 --> 00:42:53,411.8416281
And um, I ended up getting a call back, an email with information of a lot of questions.
513
00:42:54,41.8416281 --> 00:42:58,928.2348573
And then I had an onscreen now you're basically.
514
00:42:58,928.2348573 --> 00:43:07,688.2348573
In that, contestant pool for like 18 months they may call you like a week or two before the taping.
515
00:43:08,370.7348573 --> 00:43:08,590.7348573
Wow.
516
00:43:09,428.2348573 --> 00:43:19,28.2348573
one of the things that I said to the producers was, look, I'm gonna be 40 this year and I'm not running away from it.
517
00:43:19,808.2348573 --> 00:43:20,738.2348573
the year of fun.
518
00:43:20,828.2348573 --> 00:43:28,928.2348573
And that the year of fun is what their like theme is for the year on wheel fortune for this season, season 43.
519
00:43:29,258.2348573 --> 00:43:31,268.2348573
And I'm like, this is the year of fun.
520
00:43:31,358.2348573 --> 00:43:33,188.2348573
I'm not running away from turning 40.
521
00:43:33,188.2348573 --> 00:43:37,598.2348573
I'm really stepping into it and I'm not scared, like bring it on.
522
00:43:37,838.2348573 --> 00:43:39,915.7348573
So I wanted to Goosebumps.
523
00:43:39,975.7348573 --> 00:43:41,175.7348573
It's gonna happen.
524
00:43:41,588.2348573 --> 00:43:43,928.2348573
So right now I'm just waiting for that call.
525
00:43:44,138.2348573 --> 00:43:44,810.7348573
I Yes.
526
00:43:45,8.2348573 --> 00:43:56,378.2348573
it just, maybe I will manifest it, you know? I mean, I am ready to get my family onto a plane, fly to la you know, I watch it every night.
527
00:43:56,378.2348573 --> 00:44:02,768.2348573
Like, for my kids to see happen will just be like a dream come true.
528
00:44:02,828.2348573 --> 00:44:05,900.7348573
So Yeah, we're that would be cool.
529
00:44:06,638.2348573 --> 00:44:09,338.2348573
But yeah, so that's the energy that I'm bringing.
530
00:44:09,548.2348573 --> 00:44:12,818.2348573
Pretty, yeah, that's the energy I'm definitely bringing to 40.
531
00:44:12,818.2348573 --> 00:44:13,268.2348573
yeah.
532
00:44:13,400.7348573 --> 00:44:14,300.7348573
I'm so glad you talk about that.
533
00:44:14,498.2348573 --> 00:44:24,368.2348573
I like getting older, you know, I think the wisdom and just like the life lessons, Exactly what I call it is, uh, rebranding 40.
534
00:44:24,458.2348573 --> 00:44:25,598.2348573
But I like yours.
535
00:44:25,770.7348573 --> 00:44:26,768.2348573
I like Fun.
536
00:44:26,850.7348573 --> 00:44:27,788.2348573
I like Fun.
537
00:44:27,960.7348573 --> 00:44:34,500.7348573
And this may be another re you know, not that I'm losing any, you know, I'm losing my thirties, right.
538
00:44:34,680.7348573 --> 00:44:48,750.7348573
But that's kind of, if you guys have heard about like a lot of the horror scoops going on right now, you know, last year being like the year of the snake, like shedding, like right now we're still on like that shedding stage, getting rid of things.
539
00:44:48,750.7348573 --> 00:44:53,370.7348573
and now this year is like the year of the horse, we're still like shedding things.
540
00:44:53,370.7348573 --> 00:44:55,770.7348573
So I'm like, all right, the thirties is over.
541
00:44:56,130.7348573 --> 00:44:57,810.7348573
That's done now.
542
00:44:58,50.7348573 --> 00:45:03,210.7348573
40 is this next chapter, you know, a new decade, and I'm so ready for it.
543
00:45:03,210.7348573 --> 00:45:03,270.7348573
Yeah.
544
00:45:03,270.7348573 --> 00:45:04,710.7348573
You're not gonna be trotting.
545
00:45:04,710.7348573 --> 00:45:06,570.7348573
You're gonna be like in a full on Gallup.
546
00:45:08,573.2348573 --> 00:45:09,933.2348573
That's the plan, Dani.
547
00:45:09,953.2348573 --> 00:45:11,33.2348573
That's the plan.
548
00:45:11,33.2348573 --> 00:45:12,830.2348573
you know, everything is I love it.
549
00:45:13,343.2348573 --> 00:45:17,303.2348573
And when you have good energy, I think that the world opens up.
550
00:45:17,393.2348573 --> 00:45:19,943.2348573
And Angela, I just have to say you have badass energy.
551
00:45:19,973.2348573 --> 00:45:20,903.2348573
I'm obsessed.
552
00:45:20,903.2348573 --> 00:45:22,343.2348573
Oh, thank you, Brittany.
553
00:45:22,643.2348573 --> 00:45:23,183.2348573
No, you.
554
00:45:23,183.2348573 --> 00:45:24,203.2348573
You do too.
555
00:45:24,263.2348573 --> 00:45:24,983.2348573
You do too.
556
00:45:24,983.2348573 --> 00:45:28,733.2348573
And that's why I know you guys are gonna be successful with this podcast.
557
00:45:28,738.2348573 --> 00:45:29,318.2348573
It's really good.
558
00:45:29,318.2348573 --> 00:45:30,68.2348573
Thank you.
559
00:45:30,98.2348573 --> 00:45:30,908.2348573
Thank you.
560
00:45:31,178.2348573 --> 00:45:35,228.2348573
We just listen, like you said, we listen to our gut, we listen to our voice, and we're just like, let's do it.
561
00:45:35,580.7348573 --> 00:45:36,630.7348573
That's the way to do it.
562
00:45:36,630.7348573 --> 00:45:38,430.7348573
That's the only way to do it.
563
00:45:38,460.7348573 --> 00:45:46,170.7348573
Because then what happens is you are like, oh, why didn't I just go through with it? You know? Like that was my thought process of showing up to that audition.
564
00:45:46,170.7348573 --> 00:45:52,868.2348573
Like if I don't go like they're in Philly, like I would kick myself, you know? Exactly.
565
00:45:53,48.2348573 --> 00:45:53,708.2348573
Exactly.
566
00:45:53,951.2348573 --> 00:46:11,28.7348573
you text us immediately, because I wanna know, You probably can't tell us till it airs though, right? So I will have to keep my mouth shut for a really long time until a few weeks before air date, but you'll be one of the first people to know when I can.
567
00:46:11,716.2348573 --> 00:46:12,136.2348573
Mm-hmm.
568
00:46:12,476.2348573 --> 00:46:13,296.2348573
I'm excited for you.
569
00:46:13,571.2348573 --> 00:46:14,381.2348573
It's gonna happen.
570
00:46:14,381.2348573 --> 00:46:14,921.2348573
We'll see.
571
00:46:14,921.2348573 --> 00:46:15,851.2348573
Fingers crossed.
572
00:46:15,851.2348573 --> 00:46:21,71.2348573
Well, should we do a segment we have a list of bread themed segments.
573
00:46:21,131.2348573 --> 00:46:27,401.2348573
We don't do every segment in every episode, but we like to throw some in every now and then.
574
00:46:27,401.2348573 --> 00:46:32,651.2348573
So the two that we're gonna do today with you, Angela, is Carbloading and Breaking Bread.
575
00:46:32,681.2348573 --> 00:46:34,311.2348573
So first we're gonna Carbload.
576
00:46:34,331.2348573 --> 00:46:39,911.2348573
Let's fill up on our carbs and then we're gonna end it with Breaking Bread so we can end it with some gratitude.
577
00:46:40,121.2348573 --> 00:46:41,511.2348573
So let's Carbload.
578
00:46:41,951.2348573 --> 00:46:44,421.2348573
What do you have for us? So Carbloading.
579
00:46:44,441.2348573 --> 00:46:48,851.2348573
So right now I'm currently reading, it's called Look Closer.
580
00:46:48,881.2348573 --> 00:46:53,141.2348573
It's a psychological thriller by David Ellis.
581
00:46:53,741.2348573 --> 00:46:57,581.2348573
Now this is a book that I put back down.
582
00:46:57,581.2348573 --> 00:47:00,221.2348573
ID nfd it, uh, two years ago.
583
00:47:00,401.2348573 --> 00:47:03,251.2348573
'cause I just wasn't ready for it, I guess.
584
00:47:03,281.2348573 --> 00:47:04,841.2348573
I'm like, yeah, not feeling this.
585
00:47:04,841.2348573 --> 00:47:11,111.2348573
I'm a mood reader, but one of my coworkers really talked me into reading her copy.
586
00:47:11,831.2348573 --> 00:47:21,971.2348573
So I gave that another shot and I'm so happy that I did is full of plot twists and, um, highly recommend that book if you're into thrillers.
587
00:47:21,971.2348573 --> 00:47:23,933.2348573
Oh, Yeah, I like a good psychological.
588
00:47:24,250.7348573 --> 00:47:24,670.7348573
Mm-hmm.
589
00:47:25,130.7348573 --> 00:47:26,110.7348573
Really, really good.
590
00:47:26,110.7348573 --> 00:47:26,710.7348573
Really good.
591
00:47:27,250.7348573 --> 00:47:29,170.7348573
I think there's a lesson in that too, because.
592
00:47:30,820.7348573 --> 00:47:38,590.7348573
If I'm new to DN Fing, I used to like force my way through it, and now I'm like, life, life is short.
593
00:47:38,590.7348573 --> 00:47:39,340.7348573
Time is short.
594
00:47:39,340.7348573 --> 00:47:41,620.7348573
Like, you know, do not finish.
595
00:47:41,650.7348573 --> 00:47:42,190.7348573
Okay.
596
00:47:42,550.7348573 --> 00:47:46,990.7348573
But what I liked the lesson there for you is sometimes it's about the mindset.
597
00:47:46,990.7348573 --> 00:47:55,930.7348573
And I know Brittany, you talk about sometimes when Ella was a baby, you couldn't read all like, like ay, psychological thriller or horror.
598
00:47:55,960.7348573 --> 00:48:06,820.7348573
Like wasn't your genre like your favorite genre when she was a baby? But maybe there is a lesson in returning to a genre or a book when you're in a different time in your life.
599
00:48:07,363.7348573 --> 00:48:10,498.2348573
Yeah, I think Yeah, no, absolutely.
600
00:48:11,59.5038738 --> 00:48:13,189.5038738
I feel like, again, life is short.
601
00:48:13,219.5038738 --> 00:48:15,949.5038738
Like I read it, I got what I need, let's move on.
602
00:48:15,949.5038738 --> 00:48:17,839.5038738
But maybe there's value in rereading.
603
00:48:17,839.5038738 --> 00:48:18,349.5038738
I don't know.
604
00:48:18,362.1610674 --> 00:48:21,932.1610674
I am like craving, rereading things lately.
605
00:48:21,992.1610674 --> 00:48:26,522.1610674
I'm like, do I just need some nostalgia in my life? Like what's happening? I don't know, but I'm here for it.
606
00:48:26,672.1610674 --> 00:48:27,332.1610674
I'm trying it.
607
00:48:27,632.1610674 --> 00:48:31,229.2428635
Why not? I mean, actually no.
608
00:48:31,229.2428635 --> 00:48:35,39.2428635
I did reread a few books like Untamed by Glennon Doyle.
609
00:48:35,39.2428635 --> 00:48:36,209.2428635
I reread that.
610
00:48:37,409.2428635 --> 00:48:45,809.2428635
Such a good one, right? Uh, I love her, That book comes up a lot in this podcast 'cause it is one of our breadcrumbs.
611
00:48:45,989.2428635 --> 00:48:46,529.2428635
Yes.
612
00:48:46,529.2428635 --> 00:48:47,609.2428635
There we go.
613
00:48:48,89.2428635 --> 00:48:50,939.2428635
We, I've gifted the journal to Brittany.
614
00:48:50,971.7428635 --> 00:48:51,191.7428635
yes.
615
00:48:51,689.2428635 --> 00:48:57,89.2428635
We love quoting that book, so I, I love that you have it right there in your stack too.
616
00:48:57,486.7428635 --> 00:48:58,176.7428635
Really good.
617
00:48:58,176.7428635 --> 00:48:59,826.7428635
What else? More carb loading.
618
00:49:00,254.8003544 --> 00:49:02,144.8003544
Oh kid sports.
619
00:49:04,184.8003544 --> 00:49:05,534.8003544
So we're back into it.
620
00:49:06,224.8003544 --> 00:49:08,594.8003544
We're back into the baseball.
621
00:49:08,984.8003544 --> 00:49:14,234.8003544
We're gonna be back into soccer soon, so just we're getting ourselves ready.
622
00:49:14,272.3003544 --> 00:49:15,52.3003544
You're busy.
623
00:49:15,52.3003544 --> 00:49:15,682.3003544
You're very busy.
624
00:49:16,124.8003544 --> 00:49:16,694.8003544
Busy.
625
00:49:16,704.9735312 --> 00:49:27,714.9735312
How do you do it all? Because my friend was telling me about their like soccer schedule and I was like, OMG, I'm never gonna put Ella in soccer because I don't wanna deal with that kinda schedule on the weekend.
626
00:49:27,774.9735312 --> 00:49:28,884.9735312
it's, it's a lot.
627
00:49:28,884.9735312 --> 00:49:32,34.9735312
I mean, it's really like conquer and divide.
628
00:49:32,124.9735312 --> 00:49:36,834.9735312
Sometimes I have two sons, so like one's in baseball, one's in soccer.
629
00:49:36,834.9735312 --> 00:49:45,414.9735312
So we may have to like split up the schedule and we may not, both me and my husband may not both be able to attend each one, but it is what it is.
630
00:49:45,414.9735312 --> 00:49:46,869.9735312
I think a lot of it is.
631
00:49:47,769.9735312 --> 00:49:51,699.9735312
Don't overcommit yourself to like the traveling sports.
632
00:49:51,699.9735312 --> 00:49:56,679.9735312
Like it's okay if you have to stay in intermurals a little longer than you thought you had to.
633
00:49:56,709.9735312 --> 00:50:08,469.9735312
Right? Like, just because all the kids are playing, you know, this team, this team, you don't have do that as well because schedule's different, everyone's workload is different.
634
00:50:08,679.9735312 --> 00:50:13,869.9735312
So I always like, like don't feel pressured that you have to do the traveling sports.
635
00:50:13,869.9735312 --> 00:50:14,174.9735312
Thank you.
636
00:50:14,201.9735312 --> 00:50:15,191.9735312
That's really good advice.
637
00:50:15,854.9735312 --> 00:50:16,224.9735312
Needed it.
638
00:50:16,534.4826079 --> 00:50:17,284.4826079
It's a lot.
639
00:50:17,494.4826079 --> 00:50:21,154.4826079
cause we were doing a lot of like baseball, traveling.
640
00:50:21,154.4826079 --> 00:50:32,974.4826079
and for me, in my opinion at this age, you know, when they're like younger, like nine 11, even younger, like it might just be about the money and not about fun.
641
00:50:33,679.4826079 --> 00:50:36,281.9826079
Sometimes, in my opinion, so, Yeah.
642
00:50:36,281.9826079 --> 00:50:42,551.9826079
And then, you know, I don't like when people say it's a work life balance 'cause it's not a balance.
643
00:50:42,551.9826079 --> 00:50:49,91.9826079
It's always going to be an imbalance and it's just deciding where it's gonna balance at that time.
644
00:50:49,391.9826079 --> 00:50:52,811.9826079
Like are you gonna be a little bit more in here, like you said, the traveling sports.
645
00:50:52,811.9826079 --> 00:50:57,161.9826079
Am I gonna spend a little more time at work? 'cause I have a project due, it's, it's an imbalance.
646
00:50:57,409.4826079 --> 00:50:57,889.4826079
yes.
647
00:50:57,889.4826079 --> 00:50:59,239.4826079
It's an imbalance.
648
00:50:59,239.4826079 --> 00:51:07,39.4826079
And yeah, like even, you know, places where we say we're all about work-life balance, that doesn't exist.
649
00:51:07,99.4826079 --> 00:51:08,599.4826079
It just does not exist.
650
00:51:09,86.9826079 --> 00:51:11,396.9826079
That sounds great, but no, it's not true.
651
00:51:11,869.4826079 --> 00:51:14,89.4826079
yeah, and then, then it's kind of back to creativity.
652
00:51:14,89.4826079 --> 00:51:21,919.4826079
That's why I think creative outlets are even more important because you need to keep your head space like good and positive.
653
00:51:22,661.9826079 --> 00:51:23,636.9826079
So true.
654
00:51:23,726.9826079 --> 00:51:24,866.9826079
That's so true.
655
00:51:24,866.9826079 --> 00:51:25,436.9826079
Cool.
656
00:51:25,496.9826079 --> 00:51:30,686.9826079
Okay, so we've talked a lot about your work, your family your creativity.
657
00:51:31,46.9826079 --> 00:51:32,786.9826079
Let's break some bread together.
658
00:51:32,816.9826079 --> 00:51:35,366.9826079
Let's end this on some gratitude.
659
00:51:35,366.9826079 --> 00:51:42,236.9826079
So what would you like to break bread about? Yeah, so first I'm really grateful for both of you, for having me on today.
660
00:51:42,236.9826079 --> 00:51:47,306.9826079
great conversation and just love getting the word out of what we're all doing.
661
00:51:47,426.9826079 --> 00:51:49,226.9826079
You know, we never know who we can help.
662
00:51:49,226.9826079 --> 00:52:17,126.9826079
you know, I'm grateful for the readers of my renewal reader Digital magazine, you know, for those that like trusted the process and trust me, you know, with, with the, uh, magazine yeah, I'm just, I'm grateful to have, you know, outlets that are available to us, truly, because if it wasn't for these outlets, we would all be lost.
663
00:52:17,276.7988288 --> 00:52:24,626.7988288
You said outlet, and I feel like maybe I saw at some point you have a, or had a physical copy at a bookstore, at a local bookstore.
664
00:52:24,626.7988288 --> 00:52:26,929.2988288
Is that still happening? Yeah, I did.
665
00:52:26,929.2988288 --> 00:52:33,539.2988288
I collaborated with one of our local, um, bookshops, it's called the Bookery and Coffee House.
666
00:52:33,559.2988288 --> 00:52:39,349.2988288
They sell coffee, they sell books, and they have a plant store next door.
667
00:52:39,559.2988288 --> 00:52:41,29.2988288
It's like a dream.
668
00:52:41,59.2988288 --> 00:52:42,289.2988288
It is truly a dream.
669
00:52:42,619.2988288 --> 00:52:43,939.2988288
so yeah, we collaborated.
670
00:52:43,999.2988288 --> 00:52:55,579.2988288
Um, I had like a one pager of their business and then I printed out about like 10 to 12 copies and left it there for their guests that they could just take it.
671
00:52:55,639.2988288 --> 00:52:57,649.2988288
And I also left like a QR code.
672
00:52:57,829.2988288 --> 00:53:05,659.2988288
So that was really fun and I'm really grateful for them for, again, trusting me and giving me that opportunity because I met a lot of people that way.
673
00:53:05,989.2988288 --> 00:53:10,549.2988288
Um, and like chatted with a few people online just from that.
674
00:53:11,14.2988288 --> 00:53:18,574.2988288
So I'm always looking for those collaborations, because that's really that's how you build your community, the collaborations.
675
00:53:18,574.2988288 --> 00:53:23,734.2988288
That's how you, you know, get your work out there to reach people that need it.
676
00:53:23,854.2988288 --> 00:53:26,805.4061735
So, I like that you, that you used the word collaboration and community.
677
00:53:26,835.4061735 --> 00:53:27,255.4061735
'cause you're right.
678
00:53:27,255.4061735 --> 00:53:35,655.4061735
That's more, that's a very boots on the ground approach and that's people walking in the door and getting their hands on it, so I love that.
679
00:53:35,655.4061735 --> 00:53:37,5.4061735
Congratulations.
680
00:53:37,122.9061735 --> 00:53:37,592.9061735
Thank you.
681
00:53:37,991.65164 --> 00:53:39,788.2661513
Okay, we love you Angela.
682
00:53:39,998.2661513 --> 00:53:42,188.2661513
This was an awesome conversation.
683
00:53:42,188.2661513 --> 00:53:44,18.2661513
Thank you for being vulnerable.
684
00:53:44,48.2661513 --> 00:53:48,38.2661513
Thank you for sharing so much about yourself and your journey.
685
00:53:48,98.2661513 --> 00:53:53,708.2661513
I know this is probably not gonna be the last time we talk and I love that we are definitely connected on the socials.
686
00:53:53,918.2661513 --> 00:53:56,378.2661513
So tell everybody again where they can find you.
687
00:53:56,411.474018 --> 00:54:02,770.2559539
You can reach me and I'll be happy to connect.
688
00:54:02,920.2559539 --> 00:54:06,280.2559539
send me a DM and we'll chat some books and creativity.
689
00:54:06,580.2559539 --> 00:54:08,260.2559539
But thank you both for having me.
690
00:54:08,260.2559539 --> 00:54:13,18.3158498
It was a pleasure, you are definitely the epitome of women supporting women.
691
00:54:13,18.3158498 --> 00:54:15,235.290623
So thank you also for coming on.
692
00:54:15,239.7351206 --> 00:54:16,769.7351206
We like to end it where we are.
693
00:54:16,769.7351206 --> 00:54:19,619.7351206
We gonna say, follow or find We go back and forth.
694
00:54:19,768.9104572 --> 00:54:21,805.9104572
We, we've changed it five I'll say follow.
695
00:54:22,101.8099266 --> 00:54:23,271.8099266
We go round and round.
696
00:54:23,301.8099266 --> 00:54:27,291.8099266
Actually, Angela, do you have a preference? Do you like follow or find? Find your breadcrumbs.
697
00:54:27,291.8099266 --> 00:54:28,251.8099266
Follow your breadcrumbs.
698
00:54:28,251.8099266 --> 00:54:30,719.3099266
What do you like? Follow, I think.
699
00:54:30,724.3099266 --> 00:54:37,584.3099266
Follow, yeah, because, well, I feel like they're so different, That's why we've debating it.
700
00:54:37,584.3099266 --> 00:54:43,854.3099266
Like do you find them? Are they on the ground? Do you find them moving forward? 'cause you do, but also you're following them moving forward.
701
00:54:44,146.8099266 --> 00:54:47,386.8099266
I feel like you find them by looking back.
702
00:54:47,386.8099266 --> 00:54:48,24.3099266
I don't Hmm.
703
00:54:48,136.8099266 --> 00:54:49,246.8099266
the first thing that comes to mind.
704
00:54:49,486.8099266 --> 00:54:51,131.8099266
And then your fo, I dunno.
705
00:54:51,131.8099266 --> 00:54:55,366.8099266
I think follow, that's a good, that's, you know what you should do.
706
00:54:55,366.8099266 --> 00:54:57,556.8099266
You should put that in your stories.
707
00:54:57,959.3099266 --> 00:54:58,249.3099266
Okay.
708
00:54:58,254.3099266 --> 00:54:59,304.3099266
We'll do a poll.
709
00:54:59,386.8099266 --> 00:55:00,744.3099266
Do a We'll do a poll.
710
00:55:00,954.3099266 --> 00:55:01,224.3099266
Yeah.
711
00:55:01,254.3099266 --> 00:55:04,974.3099266
'cause Brittany is really good about advocating about looking back to find your breadcrumbs.
712
00:55:05,64.3099266 --> 00:55:05,784.3099266
Oh, go ahead Brittany.
713
00:55:05,784.3099266 --> 00:55:11,923.8099266
I was just gonna say because, but we have to put in why we think what it is, because I like the Yes.
714
00:55:12,354.3099266 --> 00:55:14,964.3099266
but then I'm like, following is just like we have no choice.
715
00:55:14,964.3099266 --> 00:55:17,874.3099266
We're just following a breadcrumb and we're just picking it up.
716
00:55:18,174.3099266 --> 00:55:25,63.8099266
But if you are finding it, you are like, oh, you have a path forward that you have to, Okay.
717
00:55:25,273.8099266 --> 00:55:26,143.8099266
Yeah.
718
00:55:26,233.8099266 --> 00:55:44,531.3099266
You know what? Maybe find is it then when you say it like that I know because, wait, did you see the video that I tagged you? I know you saw it 'cause you reshared it about the journal with the woman who wrote in her journal this was like back in like the eighties.
719
00:55:45,95.0297484 --> 00:55:45,935.0297484
Or her birthday.
720
00:55:46,272.5297484 --> 00:55:46,962.5297484
yeah.
721
00:55:48,372.5297484 --> 00:55:53,645.0297484
So she used the word like, that's like her finding, That's right.
722
00:55:53,952.5297484 --> 00:55:57,132.5297484
she found a breadcrumb just by looking back at her journal.
723
00:55:57,725.0297484 --> 00:55:58,235.0297484
Yes.
724
00:55:58,265.0297484 --> 00:55:58,565.0297484
Okay.
725
00:55:58,565.0297484 --> 00:56:03,956.6692042
We'll do find, now go into the week and find your breadcrumbs.
726
00:56:06,138.0979984 --> 00:56:07,950.0979984
Wait, did it I was so bad.
727
00:56:07,950.0979984 --> 00:56:08,490.0979984
No.
728
00:56:08,490.0979984 --> 00:56:09,450.0979984
It's so bad.
729
00:56:09,450.0979984 --> 00:56:10,96.3390154
Now.
730
00:56:10,96.3390154 --> 00:56:17,604.270285
Go into the week and Fine, find your breadcrumbs Did it so bad.
731
00:57:11,158.9221513 --> 00:57:14,728.9221513
Angela, I had something to say, but I have a pregnant brain right now and I kind of forgot it.
732
00:57:14,728.9221513 --> 00:57:18,730.9221513
But when I think of it, I'm gonna interrupt y'all and I'm gonna tell Do that.
733
00:57:18,730.9221513 --> 00:57:20,182.9221513
I was really Yeah.
734
00:57:20,182.9221513 --> 00:57:21,382.9221513
man, it was a good one too.
735
00:57:21,509.8814705 --> 00:57:22,435.0825511
Oh, I, I remember.
736
00:57:22,585.0825511 --> 00:57:24,265.0825511
I remember pregnant Brain Alert.
737
00:57:24,325.0032218 --> 00:57:25,723.0740249
they're gonna know who we are.
738
00:57:26,150.5740249 --> 00:57:27,20.5740249
that's right.
739
00:57:27,50.5740249 --> 00:57:29,930.5740249
Maybe she'll be on your podcast, you know.
740
00:57:30,433.0740249 --> 00:57:35,285.5740249
Hey, we have a, uh, shoot for the Stars list Yeah.
741
00:57:35,293.0740249 --> 00:57:36,283.0740249
and no joke.
742
00:57:36,403.0740249 --> 00:57:41,233.0740249
Two people on that have already said yes, and this is our shoot for the Stars list.
743
00:57:41,233.0740249 --> 00:57:46,3.0740249
These are the people who really like, we are too scared to ask, but we're gonna ask anyway.
744
00:57:46,63.0740249 --> 00:57:47,413.0740249
And they said yes.
745
00:57:47,770.5740249 --> 00:57:49,30.5740249
Oh, I'm so happy for you.
746
00:57:49,290.5740249 --> 00:57:50,375.5740249
That's awesome.
747
00:57:51,185.5740249 --> 00:57:52,595.5740249
I think my battery's low.
748
00:57:52,595.5740249 --> 00:57:53,518.0740249
Can I Okay.
749
00:57:53,705.5740249 --> 00:57:55,518.8831116
what? One my gosh.
750
00:57:55,638.8831116 --> 00:57:56,58.8831116
I'm sorry.
751
00:57:56,58.8831116 --> 00:57:56,513.8831116
One sec.
752
00:57:56,774.3831116 --> 00:57:57,254.3831116
It's okay.
753
00:57:57,254.3831116 --> 00:57:57,914.3831116
Take your time.
754
00:58:00,971.097072 --> 00:58:02,967.8006187
It is sounding sort of mechanical.
755
00:58:05,311.1078252 --> 00:58:05,531.1078252
In.
756
00:58:06,43.5555716 --> 00:58:06,498.5555716
I don't know.
757
00:58:06,498.5555716 --> 00:58:07,368.5555716
There's a delay.
758
00:58:07,428.5555716 --> 00:58:09,48.5555716
Um, I'm just gonna keep talking.
759
00:58:09,948.6028495 --> 00:58:10,818.6028495
So write, write.
760
00:58:10,818.6028495 --> 00:58:13,368.6028495
I'm writing a book because I always have to make things about me.
761
00:58:13,398.6028495 --> 00:58:17,486.1028495
Brittany knows this, but, I know it's exciting.
762
00:58:17,731.9389653 --> 00:58:18,888.9121404
I can't wait to read it.
763
00:58:18,888.9121404 --> 00:58:19,218.9121404
I know.
764
00:58:19,248.9121404 --> 00:58:28,698.9121404
I think on one of your podcasts, 'cause I did, I listened to every episode so far Oh and, um, I think you like hit a certain amount of words.
765
00:58:28,758.9121404 --> 00:58:39,591.4121404
You both were celebrating your small, I love your segments and that may have Oh, one of your, I don't know what you call it, uh, starters like, I dunno.
766
00:58:39,771.4121404 --> 00:58:41,9.4121404
No, think breaking.
767
00:58:41,88.9121404 --> 00:58:41,538.9121404
Yeah.
768
00:58:41,538.9121404 --> 00:58:42,163.9121404
Like your, yeah.
769
00:58:44,444.1153476 --> 00:58:46,94.1153476
I love your segments.
770
00:58:46,537.1933309 --> 00:58:54,215.9819357
Like carb loading, obviously and, I really just wanted it to flow, you know, Yeah, yeah.
771
00:58:55,293.9819357 --> 00:58:56,873.9819357
I like to flow it's flowing.
772
00:58:57,794.4819357 --> 00:58:59,714.4819357
honestly, so I'm just doing my own thing over here.
773
00:59:01,100.5038689 --> 00:59:01,790.5038689
I love it.
774
00:59:03,702.2711018 --> 00:59:08,139.7995155
Brittany basically had to take over and I was just like, Right, exactly.
775
00:59:08,259.7995155 --> 00:59:08,499.7995155
Ugh.
776
00:59:08,499.7995155 --> 00:59:10,149.7995155
No, we just roll with it.
777
00:59:10,149.7995155 --> 00:59:10,899.7995155
that's good though.
778
00:59:10,899.7995155 --> 00:59:11,919.7995155
Good teamwork.
779
00:59:11,919.7995155 --> 00:59:13,479.7995155
Yes, yes.
780
00:59:13,659.7995155 --> 00:59:17,229.7995155
And what's so funny is like, we didn't even think about that when we started this, how necessary.
781
00:59:17,979.7995155 --> 00:59:22,239.7995155
I mean, obviously like it's necessary, but Yeah, like the you know.
782
00:59:22,757.2995155 --> 00:59:24,587.2995155
There's a lot of logistics too, I'm sure.
783
00:59:24,971.8561101 --> 00:59:26,141.8561101
Can you hear me, Brittany? Nope.
784
00:59:26,171.8561101 --> 00:59:29,108.8561101
I, everything froze for a minute when you said we like Okay.
785
00:59:29,318.8561101 --> 00:59:29,888.8561101
Welcome back.
786
00:59:29,891.8561101 --> 00:59:32,321.8561101
Damn We're gonna do five crumbs.
787
00:59:32,951.8561101 --> 00:59:34,181.8561101
favorite part, Okay.
788
00:59:34,733.8561101 --> 00:59:39,113.8561101
so what I'm gonna say is, yeah, so we'll see if this works with the delay.
789
00:59:39,143.8561101 --> 00:59:46,673.8561101
But I'm gonna start with now, go into the week and then we're all gonna say and find your breadcrumbs.
790
00:59:46,913.8561101 --> 00:59:50,886.8561101
Can we do this? and say and, and then we say find your breadcrumbs.
791
00:59:51,226.8561101 --> 00:59:54,383.8561101
Oh, Okay, it's not gonna work because so let's go into the week.
792
00:59:58,988.8561101 --> 00:59:59,873.8561101
We're gonna try it anyway.
793
01:00:01,973.8561101 --> 01:00:03,353.8561101
Let's see if we can edit this.
794
01:00:03,353.8561101 --> 01:00:04,643.8561101
Well, probably not,