Jimmie Allen Finally Tells His Side: The Affair, the Allegations and What Nashville Never Knew

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Well, welcome to Wednesday.
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It's Wednesday, September 16th, and uh I'm so happy you're here.
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I'm glad to be here.
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I'm gonna have a little girl talk with Jimmy Allen.
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Let's do it.
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You have had a wild career.
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Like, you've you've had the highest highs.
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Like, what was your first hit?
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Oh, Best Shot.
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Best Shot was the first one.
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Best Shot went number one in 2019.
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And then I'm gonna start with the stuff that's like the crappy stuff to talk about.
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You want to?
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Yeah, go for it.
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I feel like there was a time when this town was not real kind to you.
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Would you say that?
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Absolutely.
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That was that was a couple times.
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What do you think?
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Tell me, tell me about it.
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Well, the the one thing I realized is, you know, my well, first off, how I was raised.
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So my mom is, she was a nurse, right?
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And she's from the Bay, like Oakland, Richmond, California area, right?
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So she grew up in the hood.
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My dad is from the same little small redneck town in Delaware that I'm from, but he was a Marine.
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So I was raised by parents that kind of taught me how to have tough skin.
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But also, you have to be honest with yourself and a realist when it comes to certain situations, right?
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So no matter how bad people might want equality or want change, whatever it is is what it is, right?
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So I already knew coming to Nashville in 2007 that, hey, look, I'm a black guy from Delaware and a predominantly white genre of music, right?
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So my job isn't to come here and try to change anything, right?
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My job is to just be myself.
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And the reason why I never had the attitude of I want to change country music is because my dad loved country music, right?
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So if I change it or want to change it, it takes away what my father loved about it.
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But I tell people the best thing to do is add to it.
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So when there's something that's sour, you don't take the sour out, you add sugar to it, right?
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And if more people would come here with that attitude of adding who they are and what they bring to music, right?
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Try to be a good person, try to be positive, whatever, eventually it slowly starts to push out what shouldn't be there.
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So so that was kind of so when I first came here, it was very, it was I knew what it was, right?
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So I remember I was supposed to have a meeting uh with this label in 20, 2009.
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And I remember sitting in the lobby and one of the people I'm supposed to meet with, I know who they are, but they don't know me.
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Uh one of the guys walked by and said, Yeah, we got a meeting today.
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And then one pirate person said, Yeah, fine, you know who's coming?
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Like, no, uh apparently y'all meeting some nigger today.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I was sitting there laughing.
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So I walked into the meeting.
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I said, Hey, I'm that uh I'm that nigga that y'all at meeting.
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That's what I said.
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They were like, I said, don't get shocked now.
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You said it.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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No, you said it, bro.
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It was funny.
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Oh, I wish I could have seen their faces.
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Oh, it was it was hilarious.
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You know, so that was one time, and and then it was so funny.
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You uh this, you know, people have stereotypes, right?
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So I remember I did this interview, and then I did this uh where this camera crews follow me home, and somebody from that production company that worked for that company was like, hey, if you're not really country, it's okay.
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You don't gotta.
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I said, come with me back to Delaware.
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And they came back to where I'm from, and they was like, Oh, wow.
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I said, I try to tell you.
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I said, I know what it is, right?
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I said, a white guy can be from New York City, put a cowboy hat on some cowboy boots, and nobody gonna question anything, right?
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But if a black guy comes, it's like, well, prove to me how country you are.
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Why?
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Yeah, why is that?
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Why, why, why do I have to?
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And then what's so crazy is people forget the cowboy hat is for cowboys, not country folks.
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Cowboys and country boys are two different things.
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So true.
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Like my grandpa was a real cowboy.
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I don't want that lifestyle.
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It's not glamorous, it ain't cute.
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I said a cowboy hat and country music is like a big chain in hip-hop.
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It's it is what it is.
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Half the people that wear cowboy hats can't never rope cattle a day in their life.
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So true.
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I mean, like, so it's like if you're not gonna question some people, just let people wear what they want to wear and then just leave it at that.
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So that was like one time, but again, it didn't bother me, it didn't discourage me, whatever.
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And then the other time is when you know 2023 when that lawsuit came out.
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It's it was so funny just seeing people like that I've known for years, right?
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Just kind of like stop talking.
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So you're not talking to me because some person that you don't know and didn't even use their name said something happened and didn't show any proof.
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That's why you're not talking to a person you've known for 12 years.
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And this wouldn't happen to a white guy.
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Hell no.
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I mean, I have to say that.
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It just wouldn't.
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And if we keep it a buck, you know, you know, shout out to my boy Garf Brooks.
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Garf went through it.
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Yeah.
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The year after I did.
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Three months later, he was on Jim Kimmel.
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The next year he's hosting, he's then introducing the billboard thing at CMA Fest.
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That's how I think it should be because nothing's been proven.
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Anybody can say anything about anybody when it comes to a civil lawsuit.
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You don't need no proof.
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All you gotta do is say something happened.
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But you basically got canceled.
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Oh, yeah, they tried to.
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Yeah.
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But the good thing is, right?
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I tell people, as long as you got fans, you're good.
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Like you don't need to perform at the CMA awards or win a CMA to sell tickets, to sell music.
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I know plenty of people that have won CMA awards and can't fill a minivan with concert tickets.
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So it, you know, neither here nor there, you know?
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Yeah.
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But I try not to be jaded or bitter.
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You know what I mean?
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I kind of just do that.
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How do you do that?
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I mean, I guess unfortunately, you have a lot of time.
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You've you've had a lot of practice.
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Yeah.
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But I think a lot of people in your situation would be bitter.
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Because the problem is people give other people too much power over their life and their mindset, right?
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Everything we do is a choice.
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Like, I don't believe in mistakes.
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I believe in decisions.
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Like, even when the lawsuit came out, yeah, I didn't do what that girl said.
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Did I have an affair with her for a year and a half?
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Yeah, that was a decision.
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I made a decision to cheat on my ex-wife.
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You know, it was a decision I later regret.
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A mistake is misspelling a word.
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Sleeping with somebody, snorting, crack, whatever they do, it crack, that's not a mistake.
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That's a decision, right?
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And when you start to change it from the word mistake to decision, that's when people start to learn to take accountability, right?
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To me, that word mistake is a cop-out.
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No, you did what you did.
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Just own it, live it, and move on and learn from it.
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So for me, with that, the hardest part was just watching people that I thought, right, were my friends kind of just dissipate.
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Like, even like there was this, you know, this female artist in town.
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I was friends with her for a long time, right?
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Got her a record deal.
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She's one of the biggest artists in country music.
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Soon it came out, she didn't call me, didn't text me.
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She just, boom, unfollowed me on social media, ain't heard from her since.
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And I was like, wow.
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But yet I have people that I've never met reaching out, right?
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People that I knew who they were and they knew me, but we weren't close.
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Dolly Parton, one of them.
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Dolly called me that day.
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I mean, this is amazing.
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You you wrote about this after Dolly passed.
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Yeah.
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And I thought this was an incredible story, and it just said exactly who Dolly is.
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She called you.
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Dolly called me that day, and we talked for a long time.
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And then she called me every day for the next three months.
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And then even after that, she called me at least once a week to check on me.
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Her, Kathy Lee Gifford, um, so many other artists, whether it's uh Gary Lavox, whether it's Michael Ray, Abby Anderson, uh Warren Treedy, uh, who else called me?
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Jelly Road called me today, came out.
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Al Dean, K Rock, um, Chuck Wicks.
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What did Dolly say?
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Dolly said to me, she said, Listen, I know who you are.
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I've met you, I've been around you, I've watched you.
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And she said, A lot of people, my age and a little bit young in this business.
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We understand what it is.
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We know fact of the matter is you had an affair at this girl, she wanted more, you didn't, you ended it, she got pissed.
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Here comes a lawsuit.
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Taylor's oldest time, like they said, the beauty of the beast.
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Taylor's oldest time.
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That's my jam.
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Yes.
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And then, so we filmed Dolly's Rocky Mountain or Smoky Mountain Christmas thing into 2022, right?
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And this was the cool thing about Dolly.
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It was set to come out on NBC a month after my lawsuit came out, right?
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So NBC tells Dolly, hey, we have to, we want to edit out Jimmy Allen.
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Dolly says to them, if you edit out Jimmy, we're not doing it at all.
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So either Jimmy stays in or we're not doing it.
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And I was like, wow.
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Wow, it's right.
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And this is and like seeing that, right?
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A lady that before that, we've had interactions, we've done a few things, it really kind of just stand up like that, and like for me, really show what the love of Jesus is.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Comparing that to people I've known for years, just like even some of my old bandmates, man, like deleted some of the pictures they have with me on Instagram.
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And I'm following, like, first of all, bro, y'all got like 30 followers, bro.
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Calm down.
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Ain't nobody checking your social media, bro.
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Like, ain't nobody checking nothing that you got going on, right?
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And then it's so funny, it was like, wow.
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I'm glad I had the mindset I did.
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Like, I my mindset is you hear people talk about, oh, family this, the country music family.
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No, man, it's a business.
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Is business on the way in?
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Is your family on the way in, business on the way out?
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That's how it goes, right?
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So I never gave other people control of my emotions, right?
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Or my life, right?
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To where if something's gone, it's gone.
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Like people ask me all the time, Jimmy, do you miss um CMA awards and ACMs and all that stuff?
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No, I don't.
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Like, could I go if I wanted to?
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Yeah.
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But I don't miss it.
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Like, I'm the type of person, once I do something and I achieve something or accomplish it, whatever, it's cool.
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When it's over, it's over.
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Like, I don't really hang on to the past, you know, because that's how you can really get in a rut and like mentally stuck when you can't learn to like let go and like move on from something.
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So for me, even after like cool, you know, my four number ones or whatever, the Grammy stuff, the CMA stuff, ACM stuff, yeah, it was cool.
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And I will forever be thankful, right?
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And enjoy all the moments I had.
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But even if the lawsuit would have happen wouldn't have happened, you still can't hold on there forever.
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You still gotta move forward.
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You know what I mean?
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You can't, even if you get two number ones, cool.
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You can't just spend the rest of your life thinking about those two number ones.
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What's next?
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Yeah, yeah, that's how I look at it.
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Do you feel like there are some people who owe you an apology?
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Owe me an apology?
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Nah, I never feel like people owe me an apology because they know what they did.
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Whether even if it's Jane Doe's line, so you know what I mean.
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Like, because see, I could have been a dick.
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All right.
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If I would have leaked text messages and videos that I had of what really went down that contradicted everything she said, I could have, right?
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Did people tell you to do that?
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Well, here's the thing.
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Some people told me to do the text messages and stuff, but the the thing, the problem is with the video stuff is if I would have leaked it without her permission, you'd get in trouble for revenge porn, right?
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To where, you know, there's literally a video of her holding the camera while we're looking up.
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You know, multiple.
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You know what I'm saying?
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But again, and I'm also looking at it as a father.
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Like, yes, I could have cleared what she said with just one post, but that stuff lives on the internet forever, and my kids have to live through that, right?
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Um, but also at the same time, it was the lawsuit was a gift and a curse because a lot of people didn't know, but I was messed up bad, man.
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I was taking so many drugs and whatever just to stay afloat, right?
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So I was trying to chase my dreams, make my family happy, do things I need to do for my management, the TV stuff, the record label, the booking agent, whatever, to where I was exhausted so much.
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So I would wake up in the morning.
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My schedule 2021 through 2022 into the lawsuit was wake up in the morning, I would take a 40 milligram Adderall, 30 milligram edible, I'd take some oxycodone, I'd do three shots of whiskey.
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Halfway through the day, same thing at night, same thing, right?
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And it got to the point, like I looked back at some of the stuff I did, whether it was the one thing I made sure I was sober for, uh was when I did that song and with Charlie Pride and Darius Rucker, I was sober for that.
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And when I got to present uh Charlie with a lifetime achievement award, sober for that.
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ACM's hosting with Dolly, I was sober.
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Dolly singing I was sober.
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Everything else, I was high as a kite.
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And I used to drink what they call some people call it syrup or whatever, but it was like uh codeine, Robotussin, uh embalming fluid, and soda, crepe soda.
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So that's how I used to drink in my gold cups or whatever.
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It just kept me in a good mood because I was like, all right, I need to be awake for half the stuff I gotta do.
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I need to be in a good mood so I don't just get annoyed and snapping nobody because I'm crazy.
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Um super bipolar.
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Um but 2023 that kind of gave me a pause.
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I kind of like stopped for a second, right?
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Because I had a bunch of stuff lined up.
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Like I had a sitcom I was working on, um, I had uh deal with Kellogg's, I was about to have my own sneaker with Under Armour, uh, I had ice cream in stores, a bunch of stuff.
00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.759
I kind of just stopped, right?
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And my doctor told me if I didn't stop, he said I'd have been dead in about six months.
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Because like I was supposed to perform 2022 at the CMAs, and I canceled because I had COVID.
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And I would need I was in a coma for four days uh during CMA uh 2022.
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I remember I performed in Boston, did a show, played.
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Um I remember just sitting down after the show.
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I wake up, I'm in the hospital.
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I'm like, hmm, what's going on here?
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Four days later, I say, yikes.
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Well, we put out a statement I had COVID.
00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:53.279
But yeah, so in a way, but you had it such a meteoric rise.
00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:54.799
I mean, it was so fast.
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It felt it was fast, but it felt slow.
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Like I never even looked at it as that.
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Because I'm looking at the 11 years it took to get a recognition.
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I'm looking at the 07, you know, living in that trailer with no electric, you know, living in my car for five months, you know, not eating for a couple days, like working, you know, three or four jobs at once, right?
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Sleeping two hours a night.
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Like that's that's what I see.
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That's what I feel, right?
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To where, yeah, I was able to accomplish a lot of cool things.
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But for me, I don't feel like it was really my talent.
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I feel like it was my resilience, really.
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Because I don't feel like I'm the most talented person.
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Nah.
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I don't think I'm the most attractive, no, but I will outwork anybody, right?
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The Elton John, how that thing happened was I told a guy I want to do a song with Elton John.
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So I tracked down some guy that knew a guy that wrote with Elton John.
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He reached out to Elton, Elton said yes.
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So that's how that happened.
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Like all the collaborations I did was just me just like reaching out to people because I'm like, all they can say is no.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, and I gotta say, I mean, you're sitting here because we ran into each other at Craig Campbell's uh thing.
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Shout out to Craig, yeah, my guy for the whole tournament.
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Um and you know, it was just so cool to see you at that thing.
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And I was like, Hey, love to have you on the show.
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You said yes, and then you know, people get busy, things happen, whatever.
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I think I kind of chatted with some people on your team.
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We were looking at dates, and then I just loved it that you messaged me and you were like, Hey, like when are we doing it?
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I was like, now immediately.
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Yeah, like it's a mean, it's so funny, man.
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The industry, like you'll I've I've run into this with a few artists that I've known over the years, and it was like four years ago.
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There's artists who want to do a song and say, Hey, you want to do a song?
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He said, Yeah, let me let me run it past my team, or you run it past my team, like, nigga, I'm talking to you.
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Yeah, run about your team for what?
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Do you want to do it?
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Yes or no, bro?
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Like, I'm not no, bro.
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Don't miss me with all that.
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Like, I see if it's somebody that we don't know, yeah, cool, you go through the proper channels, right?
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But a lot of times I feel like there's some artists that just like doing that way because it makes them feel whatever.
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But I'm like, bro, at the end of the day, this is a job, man.
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And if we're being honest, 80% of the people that do music, honestly, especially country music, ain't really that good anyway.
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Like, music is the only thing where you cannot be good at your job and be successful.
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Like, think about it.
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What about a weatherman?
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Not good.
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They don't have to be good.
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No, they don't.
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They don't, but you best believe you're not gonna hire no mediocre plumber.
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That's the truth.
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You're not gonna hire a mediocre mechanic, but yet singing is the one job where you can barely sing and be successful.
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So I feel like those artists should be the ones that are super nice.
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They should be working hard to get better, you know what I mean?
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But the problem is, you know, we fuel fakeness, right?
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In a town, like, and that's what kind of slowed me down for well in this town because I don't have a filter like a lot of people.
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Some I've had people come up to me, hey, you want to grab lunch?
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No, grab lunch, why?
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Like I'm not cool, I don't know you really, you don't know me.
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So, how is me wasting my time away from my family or playing video games beneficial to me?
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And how is it beneficial to you?
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I just see people just having lunch instead of having lunch.
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Why?
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For what?
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And this is so hard in this town.
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I think it's hard in in the world we live in, but I I love this about you.
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Like, I think you are one of the most real people that's that's here, and I also think you're one of the nicest.
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Like you really are just such a kind person.
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So I know that you have this like the no filter thing.
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I love that too.
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Sometimes I'm like, man, people are probably gonna think I'm a real pain in the ass.
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No, it's it to me, that's real.
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Like, I respect that, right?
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I'd rather if I say hi to somebody or ask somebody to do something, and they say, no, I don't like you.
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Cool, I respect that.
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At least I know where I stand, right?
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And a lot of people confuse, some people will think being nice means you have to bend over backwards or you have to let people walk all over you.
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No.
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If we're talking about being nicest, pretty much say this cup is you, right?
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Everything you need fills the cup.
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What other people get the niceties is the overflow because you have to keep your cup full.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's like you can't, I can't be the best person I need to be, the best father I need to be, if I don't take care of me first.
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So in some sort of way, you have to be selfish, right?
00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:32.240
Like I have a very controversial view on the whole humble versus narcissist.
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Like, I'm a definition person, I'm not the definition that people create on social media.
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Humble, if you look up the word humble, the definition isn't good.
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It's about placing yourself beneath other people.
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But yet, when we look at, when we tell our kids, be confident in yourself, you know, put yourself above everyone else that are not saying be mean to people.
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Now, if you look up the definition of narcissism, it's not a bad thing.
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It doesn't say selfishness, it doesn't say be mean to people.
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It says someone has a high value esteem of them on their own self.
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Ain't nothing wrong with that.
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But we've become victims to, you know, uh uh people recreating definitions for stuff on social media and just running with it, right?
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So when somebody says, oh man, ask a person, are you humble?
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People should think about that question, right?
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Think about what that word humble actually means, right?
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Not the the the the negative stigmatism that the world has put on it.
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Like I'm not a victim to what the world does or what uh what's that thing?
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Uh what's that thing when something's cool?
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Fads.
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I'm not a fad guy.
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Yeah, no, I the it doesn't matter how you flip it and turn it, words mean what they mean, right?
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And I go off of that definition.
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You know what I mean?
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But yeah, and people might say I'm a narcissist.
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Cool, whatever, but I still go out of my way and give Candace knows I do.
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I have a log in my phone.
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Every time I see a homeless person, I give them money, right?
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I ask them for their name.
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I write down their name and where I saw them at.
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And I send that list of people to my mother.
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She has a prayer group, and they we pray for those people.
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And the reason why I ask them their name is because one, they already feel beneath you anyway, because they're asking.
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And if they're physically beneath you, sitting, it's it's that's that's shameful.
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And I believe there's power in a name.
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So if you ask them what their name is, that could be that one stroke that reminds them who they are.
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Because when you think about your name, you think about who named you, think about your last name.
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So think about your family history, right?
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And that could be the one thing that really gets them back going, you know.
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So if people want to say I'm an asshole because I'm blunt, cool.
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But I know who I am, right?
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I know my contributions to society.
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Um, what I try to do for people.
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If I have it, somebody else has it, you know.
00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.680
So man, I love that so much.
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I think that's so powerful.
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And I think.
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I just want to know what's next for you in the music world because I know you're still doing music and thank God you are.
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I'm glad people didn't run you off.
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Always.
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Because you are insanely talented.
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And I, I mean, listen, you just you just barely sang a little beauty in the beast.
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And I was like, more, more, please.
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I'm all right.
00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:21.680
You're all right.
00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:27.920
Uh, but like, I'm glad that people didn't run you out of town because I think a lot of people could have been weak in that moment.
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:30.960
So you gotta tell me what's next.
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Um, so right now I'm finishing my album.
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It's a double album.
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It's uh it's called the Gemini album.
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One side is called Leather Soul.
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That's uh alternative rock songs and RB songs.
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The other side is called Bonfires and Grizzly Cans, and that's country songs and pop songs.
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:52.400
So that's almost done.
00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.759
And now I'm actually just started working on my CCM album.
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I promised my mom I'm gonna do a Christian record.
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Yes.
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That's what I'm doing.
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Oh, I gotta tell you, my grandma's gonna be so happy.
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Oh my gosh.
00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.759
I've talked to Toby Mack about doing a song.
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.519
I'm reaching out to my boys Joel and Luke for uh for King Country.
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I've known them for years.
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We used to lead worship together at this church called the People's Church.
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Uh, me and Tyler M BK, we've led worship together at the same church in Lebanon years ago before we all got started.
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Um, so yeah, I've I've I'm a huge fan of Christian music.
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Like I listened to it.
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Like I, whether it's the Gaither Vocal Band, the Oak Ridge Boys, I got to do a song with them on my one album.
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:35.519
I had them, Toron Wells, and Rita Wilson on the same song.
00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.240
Um You have done some insane collabs.
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Brooklyn Tavern I choir, love them.
00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:49.920
CC Winers, BB Winers, News Boys, with Michael Tate when he was with DC Talk or when he was with the News Boys, or uh who else I listened to?
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:55.440
Oh, shout out to my cousin Chandler Moore with uh he used to be in Maverick City, but he's solo now.
00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:59.279
Uh Naomi, uh, who else am I listening to right now?
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You're taking me back.
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.319
I loved 90s CCN.
00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:03.920
Oh, yeah, man.
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.079
What's that stuff they used to hear?
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Shout out to the Lola.
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Let us sing.
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Yes.
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:11.119
Yes.
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:12.319
Yeah, I used to watch that.
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:15.920
I was watching TBN back in the day where Paul and Jam needs to sit on them thrones.
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:16.480
Yes.
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Yeah.
00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:21.039
Like, that's my so my all my mom listened to was white Christian music.
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And I mean like white.
00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.960
Like my mom's favorite Christian artist is this guy named Mike Perky.
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:27.359
Okay.
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.839
Everybody watching, y'all go look up Mike Perky.
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:35.759
Okay, if you can imagine the cheesiest Christian sound with a country twang.
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I don't know who this is.
00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:37.519
Yeah, man.
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:43.359
Mike Perky had this song called Called The Good News is the bad news was wrong.
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Oh my god, man.
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I tell you what, it's so white every time I listen to it, my credit score goes up.
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:49.759
I'm trying to tell you.
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I am trying to tell you, Mike Perky.
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That just sounds like a weird name.
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Is he still alive?
00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:56.480
Oh no, he might be dead.
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:57.920
So I don't want to kill him.
00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:58.799
He could be alive.
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Who knows, honestly?
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No idea.
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We're gonna find out.
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Let me see.
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Mike Perky.
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I'm about to play something.
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Good news is the bad news.
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Good news is the bad news is wrong.
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Oh, Mike Perky.
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Okay, P U.
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Oh my gosh.
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That is taking me back.
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Oh, Mike Perky.
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There he goes.
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God the mighty.
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Oh, let's have church was my jam, too.
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:22.559
Here we go.
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Listen to this.
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Gotta do the shoulders.
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You better sing, Mike.
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Let me the backup vocals on that.
00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:59.839
Oh yeah, that's so old.
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.720
Let's see if he uh let me see if he's alive or not.
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:03.920
I hope he is.
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:06.799
I mean, I also really like this idea of you and Toby Matt.
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:07.279
Mm-hmm.
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That's my needs to happen.
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That's my guy right there.
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Let me see if he's alive.
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.119
Oh man, he was he was like my first crush.
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:13.839
Toby?
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:14.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:15.599
Cool dude.
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I just thought it was so cool that his wife's name was also.
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Is he alive?
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I'm about to find out.
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:22.960
Yeah, Joe, our fact checker over here on it.
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Mike Perkins.
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Bring up the music.
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Let's have church.
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Forget about ourselves and but Jesus for but Jesus.
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Let's clap our hands and testify.
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.039
Well, you can you can find out there from here.
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.079
Hall, so I can't look.
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:45.440
I'm trying to look him up.
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.880
But yeah, so my mom listened to just white Christian music.
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:54.319
My aunt is what got me in the black gospel, like Daryl Coley, Kirk Franklin, and stuff like that.
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.160
All my dad listened to do was country music.
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.720
Like his favorite artist of all time was uh Aaron Tippen.
00:26:58.960 --> 00:26:59.359
Oh wow.
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:08.480
Cool thing is when I did my opera debut, Aaron Tippen and Charlie Pride were there, and they had they introduced me to the uh Grand Hall Opry.
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:09.759
That's pretty cool.
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:14.880
And then my siblings, my older siblings, they wanted to put me into like hip-hop and like rock and stuff.
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.559
And like my mom was, I'm thinking about a lot of stuff my mom did was white.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.559
Like she had us watching like white shows too.
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:21.279
Like what?
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:24.559
Murder She Wrote, Matlock, Dr.
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.640
Quinn Medicine Woman, The Waltons.
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:27.519
Um Dr.
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:28.640
Quinn was pretty white.
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:28.960
Yes.
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.480
My mom's favorite movie, The Shakiest Gun in the West by Don Knox.
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:33.440
Okay.
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:39.839
And then for everybody watching, if you're white, you gotta know this is if not, y'all need to educate yourself in your white history, right?
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.000
So shout out to all my Anglo-Saxons out there.
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.440
Um, you ever heard of Mom Paw Kettle?
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:46.240
Yeah.
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:48.640
Used to watch that in a black house.
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.160
Ah, yes, I know.
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:52.799
I should have just put the chains on me and hung myself from a tree.
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.240
This is really crazy.
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:57.440
We watched all the shows.
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:00.640
We watched Hee Haw.
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:02.240
We watched Andy Griffith.
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:08.640
Then my dad, you know, a little more cooler shows of him, like 18, MacGyver, Six Million Dollar Man, Night Rider.
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:14.799
Uh, then I was watching like shows like uh uh Sanford and Sun with my dad.
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.000
Um, show called A-Men, the The Jeffersons.
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:18.400
Oh, yeah.
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:19.599
Well, they're moving on up.
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.960
That uh Martin, Fresh Prince, Cosby Show.
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.799
Uh, what else were we watching?
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:27.839
Different World.
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:29.759
You know, they're making a sequel.
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:30.640
Oh, different world.
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.160
Different world's coming back.
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:32.960
What?
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:35.119
Are they gonna bring Dwayne back?
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:36.720
I don't know, but they have to.
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.960
I like I named my baby doll Whitley.
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:39.440
What?
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:43.759
Yes, oh my gosh, that's my favorite.
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:44.480
Oh, yeah.
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:45.759
Shout out to Jason Mamor.
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:46.720
Yes.
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.200
Jason Mamora.
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:49.759
Yeah.
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:51.680
Oh, she dated Lynn Kravis, too, didn't she?
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:52.240
Yes, she did.
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:53.359
Lenny, that guy.
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.119
Talk about the essence of cool.
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:55.759
Essence of cool.
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:56.319
That guy.
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.519
Everything he does is just like swag.
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:00.960
And I'm a wrestling fan too.
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.640
I got, yeah, Ganys watched wrestling now, but she saw Roman Reigns come out.
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:06.960
She's like, I love wrestling.
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.480
Like, I'm a huge wrestling fan.
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.480
Wow, you were just like, you really are multifaceted.
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:18.799
Um, you came in here with a joke we won't repeat, but you really took me out.
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.559
I was like, It was a plan B joke.
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:22.319
It was it was a plan B joke.
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:22.880
Yeah, it was.
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.960
I mean, it wasn't a bad joke, it was just hilarious.
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.200
I you really had me going, I was down.
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.519
I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.119
And then I was like, It's all about the setup.
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:31.920
Yeah, you set me up.
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.119
No, it was all about the setup.
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:34.480
And I thought, I'm in for it.
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:49.519
But um I could listen to you talk about these things all day, and I feel like I have learned learned so much about you and life, and I I just feel um, I don't know, I feel really privileged to be sitting here with you.
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:50.079
Thank you.
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.440
I feel privileged to sit here.
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.759
You know, I tell people what I realize that I do now that I didn't do before.
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:58.000
Hobbies, right?
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:07.599
So when everything was gone, I things that made me happy, whether it was bowling and like playing softball and stuff, I wasn't doing it, right?
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.119
And people forget.
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:16.000
You ever seen couples get into a relationship and then you hear one of them say, oh no, they're just not the person I used to be because they gave up things they used to do.
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:22.400
Whether it's wine night with their girls or doing whatever he does with his guys once a week, you gotta keep doing that.
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:30.240
Like, so for me now, whether it's you know, bowling, I bowl this morning, uh still travel and play travel softball, different tournaments, stuff like that.
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.319
It's about having things that make you happy, right?
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:42.559
And there's nothing wrong with having things that make you happy because those things make you, you know, they make you who you are.
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:50.240
Like I'm at the point now, like where I've can't I've said no to a show because it contradicted with a softball tournament.
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:51.759
Oh yeah.
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:53.200
I love it though.
00:30:53.279 --> 00:31:09.599
You're right, you gotta have balance, and I think you you can speak from true experience of what happens when you're running so hard and so fast, pulled in so many different directions, that you wouldn't be here to tell that story if you uh had kept going.
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:11.440
I tell people know is a superpower.
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:16.000
Yeah, being able to have the confidence in who you are, right?
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:17.039
To say no.
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.319
Like if you don't have time to do something, don't do it.
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:21.279
You gotta say no.
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:21.920
Protect your peace.
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.039
That is the biggest thing, like protecting your peace, right?
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.000
And then not I tell people seek approval from yourself and from God.
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:32.559
That's it.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:38.799
You don't need anyone else's approval for your decisions because they're your decisions, right?
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:40.559
And yeah, people say, Well, you're selfish.
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.480
Well, it's interesting to me that people only call you selfish when you're not doing what they want you to do.
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.039
In turn, they're actually selfish.
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.079
That's so true.
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.200
People only call you selfish when you're not doing what they want you to do.
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.079
Yeah, so as my mom taught me, they're the ones that's selfish.
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:55.839
Yeah, your mom is a smart woman.
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.200
Oh, she's the best, man.
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:04.400
The lessons I learned from her, the ones I learned from my dad and from my grandpa, like he's the one that just was like taught me to just be me.
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:05.119
Say what you want.
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.160
He said, People get offended by what you say, who cares?
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:08.799
That's their problem.
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.599
Because they're offended because they found some truth about themselves in what you said.
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:14.000
Yeah.
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:22.880
Like, if someone says something has nothing to do with you, like if somebody says, I think all fat white guys from Arizona breath smell like Doritos.
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:24.559
I wouldn't get mad.
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.519
I ain't white, I ain't fat, and I ain't from Arizona.
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.000
So I ain't got nothing, you know what I mean?
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.519
I got nothing to do with me.
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.480
And if you're a fat white guy from Arizona and you're offended, maybe it's because your breast smells like Doritos.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:37.200
Maybe.
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.839
But you gotta think about when you get offended by things like what it's a mirror.
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:42.720
It sure is.
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:44.720
Oh, absolutely, man.
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:51.519
That's why I just tell people, man, be write down things you love, do things you love with the people you love.
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.920
And then everything else, ah, you know, it's swaggy, it'll work itself out or it won't.
00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.599
Either way, who cares?
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:00.960
Exactly.
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:01.680
Oh, yeah.
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.720
So I got one last question for you for today.
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:10.559
Because I have this thing we're doing now where every guest, so the person who sat there before you.
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:11.920
They're farting a seat.
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:13.359
Because that's my thing.
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.079
Yeah, okay.
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.480
No, Ava Page, no.
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:21.200
Um, they are gonna the person who was here.
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.359
Now you're gonna get a sneak peek over here, Ava.
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:25.680
Um, but you they left you a question.
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:26.160
Okay.
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:32.160
Now, typically you don't know who that person is, but I slipped up in him because I was excited that you were coming, so he didn't know it was you.
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:32.480
Yeah.
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.799
And so Barrett Baber was here before you.
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:36.000
Barrett Baber.
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:36.480
What I did.
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.160
He's a great writer.
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.480
Y'all should actually get together and write some songs.
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.400
I'm gonna meet, I'm gonna introduce y'all to each other.
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:48.640
So, Barrett's question for you is back to your first hit, your first number one.
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.759
Did you, when you left that writing room, did you know it was a hit?
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.920
Yes, I did know it was a hit when I left the room.
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:54.319
You did?
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.319
Because you wrote your first number one, right?
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.440
What was it again?
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:58.319
Uh Best Shot.
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.160
Yeah, I co-wrote all of them.
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:00.480
Yeah.
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:01.599
Oh, I didn't realize that.
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.359
The reason why I know, so I had this weird concept.
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.639
So many people come here and they try to get with the big writers and stuff.
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:09.360
I don't.
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:15.840
I was like, let me find writers that haven't had a hit that are hungry, just like I am, because you start to form your own team.
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.239
Because like all the guys that are writing the hits now, Ashley Golem, all this crew, they came up together too.
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:26.320
So Best Shot was actually written by me, a black guy, a redneck, my boy Josh, and a blind guy named JP.
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:26.639
Wow.
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.360
So a black guy, a redneck, and a blind guy wrote that.
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.119
And I remember JP was like, Man, this song, man, it looks like a hit to me.
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:34.079
I can see it being a hit.
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:35.679
I said, You can't see anything.
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.000
First of all, let's get that straight.
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:41.280
Okay, you can't see anything.
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:49.119
But it just was the the it just felt good because like that melody I had, I was singing it in my truck for like three days.
00:34:49.360 --> 00:35:02.880
It was just and when you have something that feels good, the melody feels good, as long as you don't overwrite the words, you're good.
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:06.000
Then JP was like, Yeah, yeah, my best shot.
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.719
Uh and then we made jokes about that.
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.639
I was like, Well, we hope you're really good at that shot.
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.119
You can't see the shot you're taking, but poor JP was getting beaten up in that shit.
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.840
Josh is really good at uh putting lyrics together and bringing ideas to life.
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.639
Um, so yeah, I can honestly say when I wrote Best Shot, I knew it was a hit.
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:26.719
When I wrote Make Me Want To, I knew it was a hit.
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.960
When I wrote Down Home, I knew it was a hit.
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.280
When I wrote Freedom, I knew it was a hit.
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.440
And but I also, when songs aren't hits, I'm honest with myself as well.
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:36.400
You know what I mean?
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.280
Like, that's the biggest thing that writers and artists need to remember.
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:42.880
If something's not good, be honest with yourself.
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:49.119
Because there's a bunch of songs that I got that if I do put them on an album, it's because I love them, not because I think they're hits.
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:50.880
Like, you gotta be honest with yourself.
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:55.920
Like, my motto is that Barry Gordy from Motown used to do a thing where he would play it.
00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:01.519
He would have the whole AR staff, the whole label receptions, and everybody come into the studio in the office, right?
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.199
And he would play a song.
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:08.719
And after you played it, say, Would you spend your last dollar on this song or a sandwich?
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:09.760
Ooh.
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:17.280
And it wasn't until The Temptations did My Girl, I think was their first one.
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.199
No, it was uh was it My Girl or was it uh just My Marriage?
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.840
I forgot which one it was, but that's how they used to find out the songs for the Temptations for Smokey for all of them.
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.119
Like they they would it was a it was a real like type question type thing.
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:30.639
So yeah, uh I did.
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.800
I don't know if people might say, Oh, that's cocky.
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.039
No, there's nothing wrong with saying something's good when it's good.
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:36.400
No, yeah, no at all.
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.000
Yeah, so yeah, I did.
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:39.840
Yeah, yeah.
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.079
Well, y'all, this is not the last you'll see of Jimmy Allen on this show.
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:50.400
We're gonna also make sure y'all tune in either later or next year to a show called Um Watergrave.
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:56.320
It's uh it's a TV show based off the books about Abbey Row, the detective, um, the murder mystery thing.
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:57.840
I played Detective Spence.
00:36:58.400 --> 00:36:59.760
I am excited about this.
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:00.960
Yeah, that's fine.
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:02.000
Water Graves.
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:02.719
Watergrave.
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:03.360
Water Graves.
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:04.719
Phil Vassar's in it too.
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.199
Shut up! Shout out to Phil Vassar.
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:07.920
I love that guy.
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:09.440
He is good.
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.360
You tell him to come sit in these chairs with us.
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:12.239
Yeah, he'll do it too.
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:13.599
Yeah, we need to have him on the show.
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:14.559
He'll do it too.
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:15.519
And I got a great one.
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.039
I'm gonna call two of my buddies and have them come at the same time, Trump and Obama.
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:20.960
Get both of them at the same time.
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:22.719
Hot television.
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:23.440
That's it.
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:24.719
Bam, bam, bam.
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:25.840
Yeah, I love you.
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.119
I love you, man.
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:27.920
Thank you for being here.
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:28.639
Oh, absolutely.
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.280
You're welcome.
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:34.880
I have this like little uh you saw it over there, my little three-quarter Taylor guitar.
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.400
It's so cute and little, but I still would love for you to play it.
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:39.440
Would you play us a song?
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:40.480
Oh, yeah, let's do it.
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:41.920
Because I I want to hear you sing.
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:42.800
Oh, let's do it.
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.679
Okay, let's do it.
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:50.480
All right, so um this song, uh, someone's called Hold On.
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:57.840
So I uh I struggled with the whole bipolar thing since I was like 13.
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.920
When I was 16, we found out I was uh type two autistic or whatever.
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.440
Hence the no filter.
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:14.800
Um but like two years ago, I remember I was driving around in my truck, like three in the morning, and I had my gun in my lap trying to figure out if I wanted to live or end my life, right?
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:28.880
And uh my friend Nate sent me this track and I pulled over the side of the road and I just started like crying and just writing like a poem to myself to like keep going, right?
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:34.960
So the lyrics of the course I wrote as a poem that day was come on, hold on before you let go.
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.239
Tomorrow, all the pain you feel today is just a memory.
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.480
Life don't pick favorites.
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.760
Everybody has those days when it feels like the walls are caving in and you can't escape it.
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:47.039
But that's when you hold on.
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.400
So I kept that for like two years when I read it and read it.
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.719
And then it was that was the end of last year, right?
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.800
End of last year, we were at Disney World at Epcot where Disney fans we go all the time.
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.880
And we were waiting for our friends to get there.
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.840
Shout out to this life of ours with Disney Vloggers.
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.320
Um I watch Disney Vloggers and I'm friends with them now.
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:11.679
Um we waited for him to get there, and I just started writing a verse in the Epcot parking lot.
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:17.119
And then we went to the park, and then later that night I booked the studio in Orlando and went and recorded the song.
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.719
Um But it's not out yet, but it'll be out this year.
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:22.639
Uh song's called Hold On.
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:40.320
Out on the edge of life, paralyzed, stuck in the middle, with so many senses cute, it's hard to feel what's real.
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:52.000
And you tried every dope, so anecdote for some glimpse of clarity, but your demons got their closed dog in.
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So any color can melt to gray.
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It's okay to say you're not okay.
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So come on, hold on before you let go tomorrow.
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The pain you feel today is just a memory.
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In life, don't pick favorites.
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But you gotta hold on, and hold on, and hold on, and hold on.
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You gotta leave the charge fully armed to save your kingdom.
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You still got soldiers in your reach ready to fight for you when you undertoe overthrow your stand up, swing.
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Just the nature of hope can overturn the tide.
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Victory don't discrement.
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Giants, four white flags are raised.
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When you look death in the face, and you scream, Not today, so come on, hold on before you let go tomorrow.
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The pain you feel today is just a memory.
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And life don't pick favorites.
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Man, it feels like the wall is a cave and any can't escape.
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But this when you hold on and hold on and hold on and hold on with everything inside of you, everything inside of you, everything inside of you, yeah.
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You gotta hold on with everything inside of you, everything inside of you, everything inside of you, yeah.
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So come on, hold on before you let go tomorrow.
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Pain you feel today is just a memory and life don't pick favorites.
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It feels like the walls are caving and it can't escape.
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But it's when you hold on So hold on before you let go tomorrow The pain in fear today is just me and life don't make face everybody has those things It feels like the foes okay that ain't you can't escape you gotta hold on the thing started to hold on things I need to hold on Hold on