Decoding The Ghost Code

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What's going on everybody?
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This is AJ Capasso here with Talking With the Source. I'm here with my beautiful girlfriend, Tammy Lee. Tammy, how are you, my beautiful?
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Great, great. We got our great dog Ronan back today. We just want to wish our friend Johnny to get well.
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He had a medical emergency and we just wish him the best and hope everything is well. We just want to thank him for taking care of the dog and just being there for us in the time of need.
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If anyone does, is in the Connecticut or Massachusetts area and is able to foster a German Shepherd for us, please hit us up and let us know. Right now we're in a situation where we just need someone to foster the dog for a little bit to help us out.
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But if you are in the area of Connecticut or Massachusetts USA, please let us know and reach out to us. It would be a great help.
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But today Tammy, we have one of your friends, one of our good friends coming on today. He's an amazing person from what I got to talk to him back already. I'm super excited to have him on.
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Do you want to explain a little bit to our viewers a little bit and show them about him and let you do it?
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So we have Nate O'well today and Nate has been a researcher in the field for over 18 years and he's also really critical to the field, I believe, because he does a lot of debunking.
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And that's something that is not like, it's not looked at as much as it should be because it, you know, people who do debunking, they're critical to the field because they legitimize actual evidence.
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Yeah, and they love the field and they do it because they love the field, not because they want to get famous, which a lot of people unfortunately are in this field for the wrong reasons.
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It's great to have someone like me, but let's bring me forward right now. Everybody, this is me. Hello, Nate. What's going on, my brother? How are you? What's going on AJ? How you doing Tammy guys? I appreciate you have me on and and you know, just to hit on something.
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I want to say Johnny, I hope you get well soon. I don't know him personally, but I feel for that situation. Thank you, brother. Really appreciate it. Yeah, he's like, he's grown up with me since I was a brother and had some medical emergencies the other day.
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So it's, you know, I'm glad he's getting the help that he needs and everything. So everything's looking good from the from the point of view of the doctors and stuff. So everything's going well. So thank you for that. Really, truly appreciate it.
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Absolutely.
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So Nate, how have you been? How's everything going, my friend?
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You know, I've been great man, stressed because things are busy. But busy is not a bad thing. It can get a little bit overwhelming at times.
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But you know, I'm doing good.
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Good, man. Good. So tell us first question I wanted to ask you was, is can you tell the viewers, our viewers a little bit about yourself a little bit how you're a researcher also about how you, you know, critically really debunk these people that are really faking this evidence and making it look like a joke.
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Can you give us a little background yourself?
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Yeah, absolutely. So, um, I am the founder of the Southeastern Ghost Research Association out of Alabama. I am also the founder of the Newport Paranormal Society here in New Hampshire where I currently reside.
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My co founder in Alabama runs a team down there I spearhead everything though nothing investigation wise goes on without my say so.
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I also I utilize TikTok time I find paranormal videos or people share me paranormal videos, and I take each video and I go through frame by frame very painstakingly to see whether or not I think they're legitimate paranormal videos I also download paranormal applications from the
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app store in the Google Play Store and I test out paranormal applications to tell you whether or not I believe they work and I actually have a book coming out on those tests. End of 2025. So, 18 plus years of doing this and I'm all over the place brother.
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Wow, man.
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Now with the book are you going to be specifically naming certain apps or is it going to be Oh yeah you are okay cool. I didn't know if there was a copyright thing with that so that's why I wanted to ask.
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There is, but I have specifically contacted all of the app creators and told them my idea and I've been given the go ahead by all the app creators to release my findings as far as whether it be negative or positive.
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So,
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that's awesome and that's absolutely amazing.
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I was wondering if you ever tried out the HSB dash one app the whole spirit box up hope spirit box.
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So, the hope spirit box sounds familiar actually.
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I may have like having a mini portal in your pocket kind of thing. Yeah, I may have done that in season one.
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I was not impressed.
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Yeah, we have to get answers from that's for sure it's not like a necrophonic or something along those lines where it seems.
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I totally trust necrophonic to be honest. Um, yeah, so necrophonic has one specific feature that I cannot stand, and that's the dr 60 sound bank.
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All these people out there pay thousands of dollars for dr 60 recorder and can I tell you people something there was a reason it was only released for one year because the record is a piece of shit.
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Okay.
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The recorder. It takes you literally are capturing the background noise of the internal mechanisms of the recorder. So, when this stuff happens, and you hear this quote unquote, EVP, right.
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If you ever noticed that when you listen to a dr 60 recording it's very rarely ever clear. Like, it's very muffled, it's very grog grovely.
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Let's say that it's the internal mechanisms, and your mind is creating audio pareidolia and you're hearing this in two words that are making sense to you in the investigative setting that you're in.
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Do not go out and spend two or three grand on one of these recorders when you can go out and buy a recorder for $54 at Walmart that probably works 30 times better than that ever recorder ever would.
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You're absolutely right man and I totally agree with you on that these recorders especially the are 60s they're like four brand nowadays and it's like these records are, they're going to be breaking soon, you know what I mean it's like the big four grand to have a break on you.
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Like you really got to have it in like a sealed like hard case to make sure nothing happens to it at all I mean it is from the 90s so it's almost 30 years old now you know what I mean so it's like, I totally agree with you man it isn't it is a terrible choppy sounding recording thing because you are getting that
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pareidolia from the background noise but I have heard some responses that do actually like, relatively sound like they are a VPs have you ever heard something like that. I concur. Now there is the very, very slim chance, and very few times that I have heard responses
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to the DR 60 that you can tell it's a formulated sentence. Yeah, it's not background noise, you can hear the words to an extent. Here's the thing, the voice is so gravely that you're hearing anything that is forming a sentence is left up to interpretation of the people
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who are participating in the people listening. Absolutely. So it's not like you're using like me. I, my trusted recorder is an RCA digital recorder that I bought back freaking nine years ago at Walmart.
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And it gives me some of the clearest EVPs. I have ever heard. And I love that recorder cost me 30 bucks. Wow.
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And that's a show you don't need to spend a lot of money, you know, and you can still get results. In all actuality, if you think about it logically, you don't need to spend any money if you want to become a paranormal investigator if you're just starting off.
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I'm pretty sure you can go to any thrift store and buy a compass right. So, if you have a compass, if ghosts can manipulate the electromagnetic field and or the magnetic field and they can manipulate a compass.
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So you can go and buy a compass, you sit it down, you get yourself a cheap camcorder maybe 30 bucks at a pawn shop. We don't have pawn shops here in New Hampshire that I've been able to find but 30 you focus your, you focus your camera on that.
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Right. If the needle on the compass fluctuates, then that is an EVP or an EMF reading sorry not EVP but it's as an EMF reading, because it's it's manipulating the field.
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So, you could do it for as little as like 30 bucks or you can make an homemade electroscope. That's always a plausibility. And that's very simple is literally copper wire that you slip, you kind of clip off the ends, you curl it up, you hang two pieces of foil from each side.
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You put it into a cap of a mason jar that you've drilled holes through with something to hold it in place right. As soon as you drop that down through and you hold it in place the two pieces of foil act as your EMF detector.
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If you're asking, can you manipulate this device being your mason jar with your said foil in place, the copper wire acts as the conduit and the conduit. If an EMF fluctuation takes place, the aluminum foil will actually separate.
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Wow, I never knew that that is absolutely amazing and you know what, yeah, you know it's weird I've never tried the compass thing either and I've been doing this for 10 years I can't believe I've never even thought of doing the compass thing.
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I've got all the stuff in my closet here to build a homemade electroscope if you'll be interested when I go to build it.
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I will release a video on it. And if you guys want to try it out and test it you let me know. Oh, I would love to that'd be amazing. Absolutely. Thank you, appreciate that a lot.
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Absolutely. Thank you. So, go ahead.
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So, um, I was actually down on TikTok rabbit hole recently and I watched a bunch of her videos, I did I went down like anybody watching, you know, check out static voice on TikTok recommend 100% I love to break down.
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There was a video that I specifically like I watched and it drew my attention and you were talking about like, there was a man and a woman in bed. The door moved.
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grouping of cups now I didn't notice it until you broke it down and you mentioned it, the cups would not come together and yeah I watched it I was just, wow.
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Yeah, I know exactly which video you're talking about. And if the cups group together like that, and then they quote unquote slid off the table right and they fell to the floor.
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In theory, as soon as they hit the floor the cups would have separated, but they didn't the cup stayed in a group and went under the bed that that tells me they were held together by most likely a monofilament fishing lines as monofilament fishing line is the least detectable when
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it comes to IR filming.
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You know that is absolutely amazing man that you have
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built up enough knowledge to be able to catch these little things such as those cups because how many hours goes into your debunking because the reason why I asked this question is like me and Tammy were saying, I would have never even caught the cups moving at first, unless I truly
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analyzed that video for a time being and notice that they didn't group that they group together and they didn't spread apart something like that so how much time does it take you to go through these type of videos to do the work that you do.
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So that's actually a great question.
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So, when I do these videos and I typically try to keep them under two minutes okay sometimes they do run over depending on whether or not I have the stitch function available on tiktok if I don't have the stitch function, then I take my time and I spliced the video together
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and I do it my way. And that particular video I had the stitch function available so I think that video was um two minutes something maybe a little over two minutes.
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So that two minute video took me three weeks to put together.
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And then another, and then another I think two hours to film because I kept making mistakes when I was talking and had to restart.
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Wow.
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That's awesome our other host his name is john Keyworth of JK 47 you know your back.
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Yeah, he says hello.
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That's absolutely amazing man. Two weeks, that's crazy. Typical videos, because I don't, I don't do it like most people would like I don't watch the video as a whole. So what I do is I download the video to my iPhone, right, and I go to the edit function, I might increase
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or decrease you know black point or contrast, and a lot of videos you'll see that I'll put up a screenshot up that says this is the list of the enhancements that I made for clarity, so I could better see what's going on in the video.
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And then I go through and I still frame every single second of the video I'm looking for screen splices as far as screen jumps. I'm looking for reflection of fishing line.
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I am looking for all kinds of aspects that most people wouldn't look for, and it takes, it does take a while, but it's a very important thing to do because you have all of these people out there that are blatantly faking things.
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Now, the people that blatantly fake things are the ones that I want to call out has the reason I've been blocked from 18 tiptoe accounts.
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They don't like me breaking down their stuff, but then you have the other spectrum. Okay. You have the people that are just getting into the paranormal that maybe have a year into it right.
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They don't exactly know what they're looking at, and they post a video that they think might be say an orb or spirit, and it's nothing more than a refraction or reflection of light.
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And you can very easily prove that by running up your gamma on a photograph and running down your black point. If you do that, the actual orb or the entity within the video would disappear.
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So, it's, it's, so it's more along the lines of I do it, a to call out the people that are blatantly faking and be to educate those that are just getting into the paranormal. So that way they can actually put out legitimate evidence that no one else is going to tear apart.
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That is like so important. That's so important because so many of us are actual researchers working our butts off to actually show up and people who do fake, make it that much harder for us to have like legitimate evidence that actually, you know, looked at.
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They do. And you know, when you break it down to it, Tama, you've seen so you see my videos AJ I don't know how many of them you've watched.
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Yeah, I've seen a couple because I was just watching the other night with her when she was been one binge watching himself.
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I run the gambit. I do everything from cryptids to UFOs to, you know, ghosts, because I am a legitimate Kenny Kenny Biddles coming on my podcast actually. So, I love.
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I love Kenny skeptical help desk. Awesome. Awesome guy very, very nice guy, but I am one of those people that I call myself a paranormal researcher for a reason, because people don't think sit down and think about it logically.
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There's different sex of the paranormal. I didn't say sex. I said sex.
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I have a list. So you have to excuse that.
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But there's different sex of the paranormal just as there's different sex in religion. Okay. You have your your Christians, you have your Buddhist you have all this right in the paranormal, you have your ghost hunters you have your ufologist you have your crypto zoologist.
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I study every aspect, I have probably 96 to 100 books in my paranormal library, ranging from UFOs to spontaneous human combustion which is something that most people don't even know about these days.
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I research all aspects of the paranormal, and that's where I feel like my research plays a critical key into what I do as far as going through these videos because I've had people comment and say, Well, who are you to say whether or not this is real or not.
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You know what, that's fine. Who am I. That's why I at the end of every video, I say what I'm showing you is my opinion.
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Yeah, what's yours, because I want the different opinions because you know what there, there has been a point in time and that there's two videos in particular that I can think of that people have said hey, I've seen this video, and this is what it actually was
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and when I went back and I did the research and I looked at it, they were 100 right, I'm not always right.
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Yeah, no absolutely you know what though I think that that's one major part of just life in general nowadays is that people can't take other people's perspectives anymore without getting offended, and especially in this field.
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There's a lot of ego, and people don't want to drop that pride and ego in this field man it's like we want to compete against each other it's like why are we doing that we work together the things we can accomplish is just going to be astronomical.
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You know what I mean but instead you're right, you're right and that's the issue is a lot of the people in the field don't understand the concept of coming together and working together for the same common goal.
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There is a deal. The paranormal will always be a pseudoscience, we cannot take the paranormal and put it into a scientifically controlled environment and run an if then hypothesis on multiple aspects and expect expected results, because it always happens when it wants to happen
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and it's always different. This is why the paranormal is not enough is not an accredited nor accepted form of science because you cannot do that you can't put it into that scientific environment and run these tests with repeated results.
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Yeah, that was one of the biggest things with with their research when they started to research, turn on activities that they couldn't control it in the laboratory so they were like, oh well, we can't we can't reproduce it so it doesn't mean that it's real basically and they just let it go
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and I think that that's a stupid thing to do in a way but also in a scientific aspect as a scientist I understand where they were coming from. But I think with all the well known documented cases now and like the well known people have coming forward and having
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experiences. There has to be something going on. You know what I mean.
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So, you know, absolutely I mean if you go back and you look at it you know when it when it dates back to the times of, say Harry Houdini.
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Harry Houdini, if you don't, people watching I'm sure they've heard of him they know he's a magician. But what they probably don't know is Harry Houdini was involved in the paranormal. He was a very avid debunker.
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He was one of the people who disproved the Fox sisters he was also one of the people who disprove the fact that they the ectoplasm coming out of the mouth in those old school photographs where it took several minutes to develop right.
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He was the one who discovered that they were using cheese cloth to make the ectoplasm come out of their mouth. So
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see I didn't know that about Houdini that's really great knowledge man appreciate you telling me that that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, like I said man, I love what I do.
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Yeah, now question for one second before I know I just I'm fascinated by this. Like I apologize to cut you off. Um, but I have to ask you this man see for me for my research I also look into like neuroscience quantum mechanics quantum physics stuff like that.
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So do you also study it as well.
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Um, I've looked into it and and I do believe so here's my thing. So when it comes to quantum mechanics and timeframes and stuff right. Yeah, I am not so sure that what we are seeing whenever we are filming at a location is an actual ghost.
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What is the plausibility that you're in the perfect spot at the perfect time with the perfect circumstances to capture someone from another timeframe on your camera or film.
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You might be sitting there talking to a ghost that you think is a ghost and guess what that same person might be in that same location on a different timeframe trying to contact you.
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Yeah, yeah, we've actually talked about stuff like that. Yeah.
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And if you go by, um, I always get the names backwards but the Degrassi guy was good with Degrassi the astrophysicist right. Yeah, if you go by if you go by his theory there's multiple timeframes that are multi layered.
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Yeah, so if the circumstances are perfect.
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Those timeframes can cross over. And if you're in the perfect spot at the perfect time, then there's no reason to say the plausibility or the contingency that what you're capturing on film or EVP wise is not someone from a different timeframe.
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True. Absolutely. And I totally agree with that that could be totally plausible 110% you know one thing I was thinking about too was, have you ever had when you have you ever, you know been using a spirit box and like you ask a question and you have an answer in your head
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and you're like, I've answered the question already and then all of a sudden before you get the answer the question completely out. It literally comes out like before you can even finish the question, and you think to yourself like, I wonder if I'm actually like, my thoughts are actually going into
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this energy block of energy is going into this box and it's actually helping me communicate through these frequencies. What if that is actually a theory to you know what I mean. And when I thought about that I was like, I was like a little thrown back you know, so it's not a bad thought.
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And the reason I say it's not a bad thought is this.
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I'm going to go to haunted objects or spirited objects, whatever you may call them right. Yeah, if you are projecting that mind frame into said device. It's a physical device right.
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People say the stone tape theory is a real thing that the, the surrounding area can absorb your energy. So what's not to say that if you're holding a physical device, or even if it's set by you that the energy that you are putting into that device is not receptive to that said
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energy.
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Just as, just as a clown doll which I have one in my closet his name is Ian.
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Just as a clown doll could not absorb the energy of everyone else around them and or harbor that energy and then submit it. So, in theory, if you're using a spirit box, and you use it quite often.
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Why, I guess, in theory, obviously I'm going to say in theory a lot here because it's all theory.
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Would that device not be able to absorb what you're putting out and answer the questions before you have the chance to actually get the full question out because if you absorb enough energy, or if that device absorbs enough energy let me rephrase, then why would it not preemptively
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absorb what you're going to ask.
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Yeah.
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No, absolutely and I totally agree with that like john said in the comments he said Tesla was also amazing and going to what Tesla said.
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You know if you want to find the secrets of the universe study vibration frequency and energy, and I believe that obviously we're giving off a frequency of vibration and energy. And what if we're able to match that frequency energy and vibration with these physical devices making them go off, and I was actually thinking, oh my gosh, we're actually communicating with something but in reality we're communicating with what we would call our higher selves in a way.
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You know I'm saying
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and that is very plausible. And so, you know, when it comes to frequencies and stuff right.
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So, you have all of these ghost hunters recently going into locations using a low frequency pump you know or an EM pump or whatever you want to call it, and they're pumping all these frequencies into that location with the intent to formulate responses right.
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You could be sitting there, not even knowing you're experiencing this and your eyeballs start to vibrate and it makes you hallucinate. It's also the same thing as when you go into a basement of a very old house and they have unshielded old wiring or knob and tube that's not been properly capped off and stuff like that right.
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So, it's subject to electromagnetic hypersensitivity electromagnetic hypersensitivity can make you physically ill it can make you hallucinate it can make you throw up it can actually physically give you rashes, believe it or not.
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean people don't think that this field is dangerous.
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It is not, and it's not just the ghosts that are dangerous. I know people personally that have went into locations and found people that were there vagrants.
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Yeah, just huddled up because they needed a place to stay. Those people are dangerous as well so there's a lot of aspects that can be dangerous to this.
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I thought that was going to be something I mentioned earlier but you know we're on the topic of kind of like manifest using your, you know, say you have a group of people, and they all are told like a location is haunted.
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There's an activity there. Now, what are your thoughts on whether you can go into a location that's been you've been told that a bunch of people have been told that this, this location is active.
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Do you think that that activity is going to manifest from these people's like thoughts going into it.
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Okay, so we're going on. Okay, so we're going into the hold on.
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Talk one more time brother. Can you hear me now.
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I don't know what just happened to your microphone.
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Oh, can you hear me now.
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Yeah, we can hear you very little hold on one second. Weird.
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That's right, we'll have to get a little closer no big deal.
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So go ahead and make policies by okay so. So from what Tammy was saying is she's, she wanted to go into thought forms and agregores.
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Like topos and agregores. Yep so topos agregores thought form so here's the thing.
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Do I believe they're a real thing. Absolutely. If you go by the stone tape theory, if people are going in there believing that something exists, it's going to exist.
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Slender man's a good example you had those that those two kids in Wisconsin that saw Slender man and basically stabbed their best friend, and you know that was horrible.
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Sallie house, for example, the Sallie house, you go in there, and there's no physical proof that Sally ever really existed, other than the name Sallie. So you're basically calling forth a thought form that so many investigators have went in there and they're like, I'm going in there to contact
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and that's who they're trying to contact the pale crawler at Waverly Hills is another good example on the third on the third floor.
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Where did the pale crawler come from, who decided this pale crawler exists, but the legend and the Lord exists, so extensively that everyone goes in there and they're afraid of this creature.
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Was a creature ever even there to begin with, or did the people going into the location that I heard the Lord imprinted that into the location itself.
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See, that's what I think I believe that when you hear a house that's called say a demon house or something along these lines. And it's just like what religion over my years, the church talking about Satan and demons and all this stuff turning away from the church are going to be a
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lot of stuff. They put fear in the hearts of so many people over thousands and thousands of years, and you don't think that that energy created that these thought forms, and you know what I mean like so same thing with locations you get the same type of fear going in
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people think there's a demon this location because I'm, you know, the TV shows or whatever, thousands of people go in this location all of a sudden that thought form starts to manifest get conscious and becomes an actual being that now you're battling basically
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in a way, you know, it's like, it's because it becomes a metaphysical being on a physical format is what it becomes. Because if you're going off of the stone tape theory, every single person that goes into that building is putting an energy into that atmosphere.
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And the building is going to absorb that. So if the building does indeed absorb that, and people go in with that said mindset that there is no way that we can disprove, I guess you could say that a thought form could not take place as far as a ghost or a physical manifestation.
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People are going to see what people want to see based off the lore of the location, because I could tell you something. The Lizzie Borden house is very well known for its hauntings right.
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I've been to the Lizzie Borden house. I slept on the floor where they found Mrs. Borden's body.
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Didn't experience one thing the whole night.
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Wow, and I've heard so many people going in there that have experienced stuff so that's pretty well overhyped.
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Wow. My, what is your theory on it. What's your theory on why that happened.
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My theory on it is because I go in there not expecting anything to happen most most people that are paranormal investigators they go in there with the intensive and the anticipation that something is going to happen.
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If you go in with that anticipation, any little noise you hear is going to be possibly a ghost. Why, because half of them and I'm not trying to say this to be mean not trying to say this to be rude, but half of them will sit there and overreact and not get off their asses to go look.
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Oh yeah, I agree. I agree 100%.
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Yes, and it's not me down talking anybody don't don't get that twisted okay. Oh no.
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If I'm in a location, and it's completely quiet, and I hear a noise. I'm not going to automatically assume it's a ghost. I'm going to get off my ass. I'm going to walk out, and I'm going to walk that location to see if I can figure out where that noise came from.
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That is part of debunking.
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Because, who knows, you can recreate it.
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And you know what, and I'm very good at that. So that's why I'm a very, very excited to go to Broadhead Manor in Wisconsin in July.
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I was, I was invited as a guest of the owner Bill Walter of Broadhead Manor to come in and try and disprove the activity in his building.
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And so, I am looking forward to that I'm sleeping on an embalming table, I'm going to be sleeping in an ice casket, like, oh that's awesome man that's going to be a fun time.
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Um, I love it I'm looking forward to it but yeah so I mean sometimes these, these places that are so overhyped.
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People go in, knowing the lore, they know the legends, but a lot of people don't know that technically the murders that happened on the boredom properties weren't even the first murders that happened there.
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Her aunt drowned her three kids in a well before the murders ever took place.
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Oh wow. Yeah, I didn't know that either.
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It's, it's research and a lot and here here's the thing is I'm not saying y'all do your research obviously because we weren't.
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That's why I haven't come on. That's why I'm glad that you're telling me this because I do want to go there.
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I will tell you for aesthetic value. It's great to go.
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If you want to stay the night. That's all good and well because let's be honest, paranormal activity happens with paranormal activity wants to happen.
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It just, it just may have been that I was there on a quiet night.
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It does happen.
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But like, I am a firm believer in have your facts have your research know what you're looking into.
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Definitely, definitely. I had a point to that I'm sorry. I had a fucking brain fart.
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No, no, totally good man totally good I totally agree with everything you're saying 110%
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You know I also feel like with locations, just like, you know, there's energy at a location, each individual investigator or team that goes in as their own energy.
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Sometimes they mingle with each other and sometimes they don't so that can play a part in getting activity as well.
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No, and you're absolutely right, it definitely can. And another thing that really works my nerves when people categorize everything as a demon.
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Oh, don't even get me going man that's one of the most biggest pet peeves of mine ever.
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I have been investigating the paranormal for 18 years. Never once encountered the demon. Now have I encountered a few nasty human entities.
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Absolutely, because let me tell you something for all you people out there that are just getting into the paranormal and you're just starting to investigate right.
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If you go into a place and you get scratched. That doesn't mean it's a demon. If you go into a place and you get physically manipulated.
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That doesn't mean it's a demon. If a spirit in that house was a very bad or naturally dispositioned person in life.
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They're going to be that way in death as well. So it doesn't mean it's a demon. Let me tell you something.
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I went to a place called Mount Zion Chapel Cemetery in Dose in Alabama. It's not even on the map.
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If you didn't know what this place was, you would never find it. And it took me almost three years to find it actually.
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When I finally got the chance to go there, because the whole reason I wanted to go was I was told that there was church.
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There was a church in the grounds that burnt down and the only thing left was the basement and there was a witch buried on site.
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That was the whole reason I wanted to go. So we get there. When you go into the ground, right.
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Typically, if the temperature on the surface is X degrees, you go into the ground. It's going to be a little bit warmer, right?
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It became colder by almost 20 degrees when I went into that cemetery.
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Like when I went down to the basement, it went from 78 degrees down to 58 in the basement, which makes no sense to me.
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So we finally find the witch's grave, which is actually enclosed by a fence. And we go over there. I'm doing EVP work.
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Now, we did catch some EVP that night that was quite interesting.
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But the main thing I want to focus on is the fact that I felt a burning on my calf.
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And when I looked up my pants, I had teeth marks embedded on my calf. Oh, wow.
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Do I think that was a demon? No, it was something that just wanted me out of their space.
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Yeah. So I really wish paranormal investigators will quit throwing around the word demon.
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You know, it's the television shows, man. The television shows are getting worse with it. It's getting really bad.
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It's all about entertainment now. You know, it's like it's really bad because people don't understand.
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Like, like, especially for me, when I first started this 10 years ago, I obviously had the same belief like, oh, my God, I'm dealing with demons or something.
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And I'm going to get possessed or something along those lines. But the more I did the work, I realized that the amount of love that is shown on the other side is so much greater than any negativity that is shown on the other side.
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Yes, you'll encounter negative spirits. You're going to encounter those spirits. But most of the time, you're going to encounter some loving spirits or spirits want to help.
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Yeah, most of them just want a voice to talk. They want the help to cross over because they don't want to be where they are.
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And I'm no psychic. My girlfriend claims I have abilities because I can sometimes go to sleep and I dream things before they happen, which I guess is an ability is precognition.
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But I don't claim to have psychic abilities. OK, at all. But I do know people like Thomas Patrick Gormley. Good example.
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I love Thomas Gormley to death. He's a great guy. And if I if I ever encounter a case that I need a spirit that I think needs to be moved forward to the light, that's what I'm going to contact.
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Yeah. I've had the opportunity to work with him. He was really great to work with. Oh, he's he's amazing. Like, I love him to death. He's a good friend of mine.
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I will tell you a funny story, though, when we went to investigate the USS Salem and what town is that in Massachusetts? Quincy.
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I pronounced that wrong. I know the Massachusetts people say Quincy. It doesn't have a Z.
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But anyway, we went and investigated the USS Salem. And when we were invited for the event, I was super stoked because it was the first public event that I had ever been invited to be a part of as far as a co-head investigator.
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I was super stoked. And we go down there and we get to the hotel room and, you know, I meet him there and he buys me a drink.
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He buys me dinner and he's like, just let you know after the event, I call Big Spoon.
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I was like, no, he's like, we got a double bedroom. I'm just messing with you.
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That's great. I love Thomas to death, though. He's a great guy.
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He is probably one of my favorite people in the paranormal, to be honest.
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That's awesome. I like his compassion. Like when he goes in, he's very compassionate with the spirit. He is.
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And there's a whole other side to that story that he might be willing to tell that it's not my place to tell as far as when it comes to the Salem.
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So I can't touch on that. But what I can tell you is he's a great person. I love Thomas to death. He's one of my best friends.
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That's awesome. Yes. You know, it's great to find people like that in the field where you can connect with, you know, and it's great because having a show like this for us, you know, we get to meet such amazing people like yourself.
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Like Thomas, we've had Thomas on before. I mean, it's been it's been amazing to me all these great people.
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And I'm super excited that I got to meet you, man, because it's been absolutely amazing to keep this conversation going because all the stuff that you're into, man, is exactly what I'm into.
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So like, it's fascinating. So the stuff you're telling me because some of the stuff you're telling me, I've not even heard of. So like, I'm like, I'm deep into this, man. So please keep going.
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So when you say amazing people, I assume you're talking about Marty over here, not me.
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Brother after the podcast or whatever man anytime you want to reach out you have any questions, do not hesitate.
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Thank you, man. Appreciate that a lot. I really do truly appreciate that. I am here to further the field of research like I don't make money off my tech talk I don't make money off my YouTube I don't make money off my Facebook.
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I take that back. I made 43 cents off my Facebook last year.
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Yes, rich, rich, but I don't do this to make money man I do it to educate. And I feel, I feel as though if I have the amount of experience that I have in the way that I think if there is a person out there that kind of wants to come under my wing
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and learn from my experience my knowledge, I mean, it would be wrong of me for the field to not try and take them under my wing and teach them what I'm looking at what I'm doing and furthering the field itself as the, as far as the research goes.
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Well, let me ask you, sorry, I absolutely love that more people need to have that mindset.
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Unfortunately, unfortunately, I'm going to straight tell you 70 70% of the paranormal field these days hence the reason of my podcast that I have coming out the paranormal unveiled but I'm sure you would have let me plug that later but I'm gonna plug it now.
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It's to tackle these controversial issues. So, it's not going to be your normal para cast, it's going to be I'm going to have some lighthearted conversations but we're also going to have some very deep discussions.
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So, it's at the bottom of the paranormal animosity that goes on these days.
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I love that to help people, you know, understand the paranormal and the way that you understand it because I feel like if people are learning from someone like yourself that has such great knowledge behind what they're doing and the passion behind it and not the ego that
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everybody has I feel like that people would really truly benefit from what you're giving them, not just on tick tock and on social media but in person as well if you ever thought about doing stuff like that.
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So, um, I have. Um, but but but here's the thing is, you have so many people out there that are so hyped up on themselves that most of them would not actually come into the said class right and drop everything that they think that they know.
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They would come in so hard headed and don't get me wrong, I don't mind hard headed, I'm good with a good clash it doesn't bother me whatsoever. Because when I prove you wrong, and I tell you, hey, this is how it is and I can prove it.
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And you have to sit down. Then maybe you'd be a little bit more humble.
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Yeah, but I have thought about it, but so, so many people are so stuck in their mindsets in their ways that they don't want to look at alternative ways that they could better themselves as an investigator and better the field as a whole.
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You know man that's the reason why I do this this podcast is to get different people's perspectives on things to get different people's knowledge, get different people's point of views because, like I said I learned something from everybody that comes on the show, whether it be
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a person who's been doing paranormal for a month to 40 years I learned something from each and every one of you guys that come on. And like I've learned so much that I didn't know that you know I couldn't, I can't believe I didn't know it, you know what I mean
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I can do something so much so I appreciate it. And I've been doing this as I said for 18 plus years. There is always an opportunity to learn.
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I personally do not know everything. There could be someone that comes in that's been in the field for two years that has thought of something that I never would have thought of.
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But you have to take that into account because if they bring that to light, and there's a legitimate light.
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You need to stop, reevaluate and think hey, how can I include this into my normal routine.
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You cannot discredit these people if they come, if they come forward with true stuff you can't.
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You have to be willing to adapt and learn, and because none of us knows everything, as I previously said, this is a pseudo science, none of us knows everything.
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And I'm like, I'm not going to take a minute to that you know that's why it kills me when I see people at certain paracons or at certain events and I see them come up and get introduced as the expert or, you know what I mean or like the dollologist on a TV show and I'm like what the frig is a dollologist.
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Do not get me started on the paranormal expert term, because I have had multiple podcasts in the past that want to introduce me as a paranormal expert, I said nope, not going to happen because I am not an expert, no one in this field is an expert because there's nothing scientifically
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proven to introduce me as a paranormal researcher.
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Yep. See that's why I asked before we started because you know some people like that that that term and I mean, you know, I feel the same way you do there is no experts in this field nobody knows, you know, everything that's going to happen I mean dude I died 12 times had a new
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death experience remember where I went to remember the being that I saw that sent me back, and I still don't have the answers. So it's like, you know, I mean I have questions and answers if anything.
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If you've encountered an ND Yes, I would be intrigued to talk about that, to be honest, oh definitely do that to the show if you'd like for sure. Yeah, I would like to discuss it after the show because I'm very curious because ND ease you know they typically people who
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experience that end up having psychic abilities afterwards and I'm really kind of confused as to how that happens maybe you're so close to the other side of the veil that you get connected.
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I don't know if it's true or not, it's just something that I've realized the pattern or it's right. What's crazy is when I was little, I remember seeing a younger boy that I would play with named David, and it wasn't until after I had this ND that I started to I came back
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Oh, the tension was unbelievable like the electricity would just stand all my ass. And then literally like I would feel like certain like entities in the room like energies in the room but I could feel that they were male or female.
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And it was a weird feeling and sensation still is there really don't know how to control it. So when it happens it happens and when it doesn't it doesn't you know I can't really control it.
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But, um, you know, it is weird that I did come back and I think from touching that other side. I think that that's what really brought me back to when I came back to my body maybe more conscious more energy came into my body I'm able to tap into it I don't know.
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Perhaps, I mean, you know, nd ease have always fascinated me just because of the people who there's so many discrepancies as to what they experienced during the time frame from when they left to when they came back.
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So, I would be very curious after the show to discuss that with you because I know the show is not technically about that but it's yeah it's y'all show y'all make it about whatever you want.
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Absolutely, man. No, absolutely. I mean I told it so many times on the show that's why I'll tell you afterwards but I literally, I, it's, it was a crazy experience I remember everything from so a little background of myself me is that I was addicted to opiates
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for like 10 years I got addicted right when I got out of high school. I fractured a vertebrae in my back my doctor prescribed me a bunch of painkillers, and I'm getting addicted, then I ended up started partying and obviously going down the wrong path, I ended up over
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I remember I died for over a minute was like a minute 15 seconds somewhere around there they said, and my heart completely stopped on they were doing CPR on me. And I remember everything I remember seeing them in the room doing the CPR remember them talking
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I remember what they said that I remember going through this tunnel I remember seeing this beautiful place that I went to that it opened up to. I saw my life review. I'll get into more detail after the show.
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Yeah, please. But then I saw this white being that I couldn't look into and he told me, basically it's not your time what are you doing here and you need to go home and basically sent me back and it was, it was, it was, it was a crazy experience I honestly
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thought that I was going crazy when I came back, because of the feelings that I was getting with the energy stuff that I went to doctors and was like, I need brain scans because I think I screwed myself up from the drugs, and they were like no no I actually.
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You're actually fine like, or not I'm like, there's no something not fine I went to like five doctors because I was freaked out. Right. So, so my question here and we're in this real quick as far as that conversation and we can touch back on it after the cast.
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Yeah, did you see yourself outside of your body is like physically looking at your body, and the people doing these things or was it from your eyes that you were seeing it or do you think like like we're seeing in our body.
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Like we're seeing right now out of our eyes is exactly how I saw my body on the ground.
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Okay, so that working on my body and basically what happened was, I was able to be just by a thought, I was able to be anywhere I wanted in the room, but in multiple positions, all at once simultaneously understanding each view point that I thought of so if I want to be
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over the left shoulder of the guy on the left in his thoughts, if I want to be on the right side shoulder of the right guy. I could be all those three places all at once understanding each one simultaneously it was the most fascinating experience.
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So, almost like an astral projection with a mix of transcension.
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Yeah, one of you, like you were able to be wherever you want it. Yep, I just by a thought.
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That is so interesting to me. Yeah, it was wild man just by a thought anything that I anything I could think of would just happen. And it was just it was wild it really was I mean, then I went through this, what I would consider like a tunnel was like a hyper space tunnel
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and I'll just tell the story now. And basically, I went through a life review and the life review.
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It wasn't just a life review of my life but it was from like the beginning of time, and it fast forward all the way to my life, and then went to when I passed away and what happened was it didn't show me a life review of like someone judging me.
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It showed me a life review through the people only thing it showed me was the people that I heard when I was from when I was younger a little kid, all the way till when I died. It showed me everybody who I heard, but it showed me and made me feel through their
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eyes and through their perspective. Whatever I said to them or whatever I did to them that hurt them, and I felt all of their pain.
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And that judgment alone, sent me when I sent when I got back, I actually contacted this girl from fifth grade, why I made fun of because I remember seeing her in my life review and I luckily got to apologize to her.
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And she was like wow I can't believe you remember that and I told her the whole story and she was shocked by it. And then, like I said it opened up to this beautiful place that the best way I can describe this place, Nate was, it looked like a Canadian
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wilderness that wasn't touched by man yet. Absolutely a beautiful like Earth but the only difference was that it had very vibrant colors. It had row is that like colors and flowers that like you like, I can't even replicate on Earth.
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They're strange colors that I've never seen before. And other ND people have tried to replicate these colors that we all talk about and we nobody has been able to do yet because they're so vibrant.
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And then I got approached by this light being and like I said I couldn't look into the being at all but I felt the presence of my so I felt the light hitting my skin.
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Everything was very intense. I couldn't look into them and then all of a sudden I knew it was a him because it telepathically talked to me in a deep man's voice and said it's not your time.
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Why are you here, you must go back. It was something along those lines of what it said and then I got sent back into my body and when they when I got sent back in the body.
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That's when they hit me with the paddles when they hit me with the paddles I sat up and I started screaming Where am I Where am I because I thought I was in this place that I was not familiar with and it felt more real Nate that it does now, like I feel like I was awake when I died.
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And now I'm back in a slumber. That's what it feels like.
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Well, well I can tell you from my experience of being a certified first response medic for a fire department as well as, you know, other other things. When you hit someone what we with those AED paddles, right.
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Typically when they sit up the first thing that they say is either Where am I, or what are you talking about.
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So, I have had to use AED paddles quite a bit.
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I'm a certified first response medic from my time as a volunteer firefighter in Alabama. I also build bridges for a living I'm certified in CPR as well as multiple other first aid aspects.
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So I fully understand exactly what you're saying when you when you feel that shock and you sit up, I've never personally felt the shock. But I have had people sit up and say things very similar.
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Yeah, no, it was a joke like I tell you coming back into my body from getting I went down with what I would call the tube or the hyperspace area. I went down that so fast. It was like I was falling super fast and when I hit my body it almost kind of like when I jump back into my body it almost hurt.
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That's how fast I went back into my body. And it was like a shock. It was just like I can't it wasn't like the shock from the paddle alone. It was like a shock from my spirit entering back into my body so quickly.
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It was a very weird. It's hard to explain the feeling.
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Yeah, and you know what, once again, I've never experienced that, that that particular feeling but what I can tell you is that people that have been, or that I've been in the presence of being brought back from it.
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That describes something very similar.
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Absolutely, definitely. Yeah, I've been studying and these now for a little while and it's amazing how many nds I've come across and have similar experience of what I've had, like similar like things like the flowers like the flower colors certain vibrant colors, especially
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especially the colors, and the being that you cannot visualize.
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It's like the light blinds you.
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And you cannot visualize the being but you can hear it to voice.
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You know when I got the one of the things that they showed me in my life review when they showed me from the beginning of time till now one of the things that they they instilled or like it was like a knowing that came into me was that the way that they described
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God to me because my thing was is that I thought I was going to get judged by this being, because that's what I grew up knowing is like, you know, this guy on a throne is going to judge me and all this stuff.
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And what they explained to me was that they explained it like this. If you take a glass of water, you put a plastic wrap over the top, and you tip it upside down you poke a little hole inside of it and little droplets start coming out the water in the glass signifies
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this energy the source of all energy which is what we know as God, and the droplets coming out or the extension of that source of energy which is the souls like us, whereas that accept that energy that has made the universe that is the creator, the source of all things
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inside of us, meaning that is with us at all times is always with us and also that we have the power in itself to manifest and create things into our reality is something that they that they instilled in a knowing when I was there.
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Yeah, and that makes complete sense and if you wanted to get into a religious aspect.
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We can do that another episode maybe.
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I was I was raised Southern Baptist. Yeah, I'm wicking now, like, I, I know that there's 355 different versions of the Bible printed worldwide and every single one of them says something different.
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So, I mean, it's a great bedtime story. And that's my standpoint on it, and Christian who's watching this, I don't mean to offend you and if I offended you then.
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Well I offended you I'm not going to apologize. Hey, listen, you don't need to apologize because our show is all about being who you are man, I would be honest with you man I was a Christian.
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I even was a reborn question for a while, you know, gave my life to Christ when I was 15 but after having the experience and going down this paranormal journey.
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I have now studied, like multiple major religions, and I'm no longer I don't consider myself a Christian anymore I consider myself more spiritual than being religious in any aspect because it's just I picture I know God now as way bigger than a little book
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that has some stories in it. That man wrote, and that's 100% true. And like I said you know if you were, if you look back on it, there's so many different versions of the Bible printed.
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And every single story says something a little bit differently whether or not you realize the phrasing, the phrasing is everything.
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And people don't take the time to stop and think hey, I read the New King James version so I know everything about the Bible but did you did you read the other version.
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Because it's worded the Bible is nothing more than the word of God, quote unquote, as interpreted by man. Yeah, man makes mistakes as the way that they interpret things.
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So, my stand on that. Exactly, you know, and I believe in every sacred text there's on interpreted things that shouldn't have been interpreted the way they were I mean, a great Islam for example the media has turned Islam into this weapon, because of the
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radicals that are interpreting it in the wrong way and be honest, I studied Islam with it with a with a person who is really into Islamic, I tell you what it was one of the most respectful traditional religions I've ever had the chance of studying with them.
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And I thought it was absolutely amazing and when I found out that these radicals are interpreting these things crazily and the media is taking it and making it weaponized towards all of us Americans and making us think differently on people I'm like wow, for
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thousands of years this religious aspect has been tearing us and dividing us apart, when we should be looking more at our relationship spiritually with everything around us instead of just a religious, you know, this, this way or no way, you know what I mean.
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Yeah, no I agree we do 100% number be honest with you Tammy AJ I apologize I don't know how this got turned into a philosophical religious conversation.
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That was my fault probably brother so I apologize about that. No, you're good just wanted to apologize ahead of time. That's all. No, no, not at all, not at all.
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But I'm just I'm listening to you guys and I'm thinking, it's crazy because I grew up in a Southern Baptist household as well. And it's funny that I need more towards which he aspects to myself.
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So, my, my witchy aspects come from family heritage, I have a family member Esther L well that was tried and found guilty there's an Salem witch trials.
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She, she fortunately.
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The witch trials ended before she was hung. She was scheduled to be hung and the witch trials ended a week before her scheduling to be hung.
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Here's the thing, I don't know where she died, I don't know where she died at. As soon as the witch trials ended all traces of her are lost. No one can find anything.
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But I have on my phone the official screenshots and or court laminations of her arrest warrant, as well as her arresting report. So I know for a fact that happened.
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But where she went after the witch trials. No one knows, no one knows where her grave is. No one knows where she was buried, no one knows when she died.
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I just wanted to ask you because you do so much research and I love it, because I want to ask you for everyone that is getting into this field and people that are still beginners in this field.
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What would you suggest to them to go out and like what would you use for your research, if you were to recommend say a website or something where they can find out more about the land about the place about stuff is there anything that's free or is it all paid.
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The slides are a little bit difficult.
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The best form of research is if you're going to a public location like say you go into a schoolhouse or a hospital for a good example Medfield State Hospital here in Massachusetts, you can go there and you can walk the grounds right, the best source of information you have in that case
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is the caretaker of the grounds. They're going to have the best historical accuracy that you are ever going to find compared to what you find on the internet.
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Now, if you're going to a cemetery there is an app called find a grave. You can download the app and find a grave pretty much list.
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I would say 98% of the cemeteries in the United States, it's a great app.
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You could use that.
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But as far as the actual history.
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Go to the town's local historical society.
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They're going to be able to tell you everything that you need to know with one visit.
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Cool.
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Thank you so much for that appreciate that now and I know a lot of people absolutely wonder that because that's one major thing for me when I started was, how do you know these researchers get so much information and research.
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So, so if I can get up for a moment I'll be right back. I know you know we're reaching about that hour mark, I want to show you guys my folder for my med field state hospital research.
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And I want to, I want to demonstrate to you how far I research into locations when I investigate.
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I'll be right back. Give me like, or sounds.
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So yeah, what do you think so far babe I mean this is absolutely amazing conversation I mean we're, you know, it's such a deep conversation because of his background his research the things that he does is just absolutely amazing and the work that he puts behind it I just shot.
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That's probably my favorite aspect of this.
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So, how knowledgeable is, look at that. Oh my god. Wow.
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This is all of the property history and if you notice I have tabula trees in here. This is all of my property history from Medfield State Hospital from 1919 until the year it closed in 2008.
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I have patient records I have doctor records, I have property tax records.
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Wow, man.
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This should be the basis for how every paranormal team does their research because you go in with full knowledge of what you're getting into.
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But that's just my opinion.
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I totally agree. I totally agree and that's why I asked you about doing those you know classes stuff but I understand where you're coming from before about the classes. I mean, people can benefit so much off your stuff so please I know we're at the hour mark we got ahead,
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but please plug all your channels plug your book that's coming out, plug all this stuff in the half and let our viewers know where they can find you to learn more knowledge man.
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You know what if you want to find me you can find me on tik tok at static voices you can find me on YouTube at static voices you can find me on Facebook and Nathaniel Elwell you can find me on Instagram which I really don't use at Nate Elwell.
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Guys like, I don't really like to plug my stuff because I'm not in this to make money but if you want me to plug, I'll plug. My book is going to be out.
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Hopefully.
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It's going to be out in the fall of 2025. If when the book comes out it's going to be called downloading for the dead, investigating paranormal applications.
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And you guys if you want, I'll send you a signed copy for free.
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Oh, dude, that'd be amazing that I'd love to check it out for sure 100% man. Thank you.
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Absolutely.
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I'm excited for that man that book is going to be amazing because with the conversation we had now we definitely have to have you on again Nate because we got to go I want to go over some videos next time with you with the viewers and stuff and really break down some things.
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I'm here because I tell you have so much knowledge that I can't thank you enough for coming on man for real. No, I, you know what do not thank me I thank you guys for having me on the podcast.
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I love it man it's been an honor and I love our conversation man. I'm going to be talking even more man because there's more that I want to learn from you so I appreciate the knowledge that you're willing to share and take your wing man and keeping this field, you know, authentic.
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Reach out whenever you feel the need if you have any questions if I can assist. I got your back.
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Thank you brother I appreciate you.
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Absolutely.
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Okay, until next time. Thank you so much brother we truly appreciate you.
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If you got to go I completely understand. No, I'll be here.
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All right brother I'll see you in a minute. Thank you so much for coming on. No, thank you guys for having me.
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Anytime.
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Wow. So like I was saying before we got up the conversation we had was absolutely amazing I mean, there's so much knowledge, and it's just like the research that he puts into everything in the debunking videos, I mean, the thing we talked about the cops.
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I would have never pointed the cops out like for anybody that's listening on Spotify like that there's a video if you go on static voice static voice static voice on tick tock to see this video and basically these cups get pulled off of the dresser and the way
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they get pulled off the dresser they get pulled off and they get grouped together and when cups fall off the dresser they're not going to get grouped together they're going to obviously spread out like normal cups would.
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And you can tell that it was pulled by fishing line but the way that he caught this you would really have to analyze this video art for to really catch this because I didn't catch it to begin with until he went back and showed it.
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And just the knowledge that he has everything I truly truly believe that he is a great soul that is in this field for the right reason. I believe that people should definitely follow to learn more information from him.
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Absolutely 100% people like more people need to like follow his lead and take the initiative to actually look into things a little bit further.
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You know crying wolf all the time, because it does make other investigators who are doing legitimate work have to work even harder.
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Yeah, absolutely and Morgan Caldwell said he does an amazing job analyzing and breaking everything down and that is absolutely right Morgan. I appreciate Morgan so much for sticking around to answer your question before.
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No, I have not been visited by a light being since I've been visited by family members I lost my family in 2020 from heart attack cancer and then some coven related things. So I lost one side of my family, and, you know, I get visited by them constantly on a nightly basis
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and I'm very grateful for. But other than that no I haven't been visited by a light being again but we want to thank you Morgan for checking out the show and sticking with us for it we really truly appreciate that.
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And we hope that you'll follow us for more and comment comment more and ask more questions because we will put them up on the screen and get them answered.
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We appreciate every single person that tuned in today everybody that's on Spotify we greatly appreciate you. And until next time, we are talking with the source. Thank you guys.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.