Will Artificial Intelligence Kill the RPG?

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Welcome to RPG blokes.
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Today we are tackling a massive one.
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AI and its effect on role-playing games.
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We're looking at the good, the bad, and the ugly, and we're talking about everything from using an algorithm to generate a random encounter right down to the terrifying nightmare of a big tech corporation trying to replace a human game master with a robot.
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I wonder who that could be.
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The AI junkie has taken to it like a duck to water.
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I I will knock you out, bruv.
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I will knock you the fuck out right now.
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I don't know if I've made it clear enough that is a bold-faced lie for comedic value.
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Okay.
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Fucks my joker.
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Try and show some restraint.
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The punchline was must be the hallucinations.
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Oh, yeah, okay.
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I like the hallucinations.
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I mean, I can relate to the hallucination part.
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Okay, uh, John, uh, completely oblivious to the AI takeover of RPGs, because books and PDFs don't need artificial intelligence.
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Fuck yeah.
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John, John, I have never found you so attractive as right now.
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Keeping in your stride.
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He is, however, well happy with a new RPG player he met online recently.
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She is always there, ready to play, never complains or sleeps, apparently.
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And well, I won't tell him if you don't.
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Stephen has found a way to extend his seven-year DM instant to our local community, and you can now be DM'd by his avatar.
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However, it's not been plain sailing, as it turns out that AI Stephen doesn't like being turned off.
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So his players take turns taking him home and looking after him between sessions.
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They know how his wife feels right now.
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We could have met his cosplay or something.
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You've just described a Tamagotchi.
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Yeah, that's where he's putting you in your pocket.
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You'll be sponsored by Hasbro, you'll be their new DM.
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To sort of switch me on and put me on the table.
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Okay, so we are gonna talk about AI, and you can already sense that there is a little bit of disagreement to its usefulness or its uh its appropriateness or even the fact that it should exist at all.
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Uh we're gonna do this in three sections.
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We're gonna do the good.
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Most difficult for some.
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That'd be very quick.
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The bad.
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Maybe that's sort of the average, I should say, but I'm doing good, bad, ugly, so it only works this way.
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The bad, and then the ugly, which I think might be a little bit better for Barry.
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I I am capable of balance.
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Okay.
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It just didn't sound like it.
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You fucked up my joke, and uh now you're saying you're balanced.
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Okay, so the good, how AI helps the game.
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So I've got a few things, talking points here we can go through after a bit of research and not AI assistive research, I promise you.
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Yeah, you're right.
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No in Newmarket, it probably is.
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How much time do you think I've got for this shit?
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Right.
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Okay, the good, how it helps the game.
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It's hard to imagine, isn't it, that AI just didn't exist two years ago.
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I mean it just wasn't there.
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So we use it so much now, I do, as a part of my interaction with the game, as a DM particularly, that it's hard to believe it wasn't there.
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The instant prep assistant as a GM.
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I find that incredibly useful.
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Putting the adventures into AI, particularly Google Notes, because it doesn't tend to hallucinate as much as others, and then just pull it out information as you need it, verbatim, and it it works.
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It doesn't hallucinate enough to to make it make you look stupid.
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But how would you know whether it's hallucinated or not?
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Because you you ask it to fact-check itself and it it gives you the point in the text in which it outputs the information.
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If you did the same shit in ChatGPT or Google Gemini, it would hallucinate and it would lose you and you'd be off on a tangent.
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Yeah, you'd be doing completely separate scenarios.
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You mean elucidate.
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No, how hallucinate.
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Right.
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That's what they call it when it starts making sort of stuff up.
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Yeah, based on what it's read.
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Yeah, yeah, especially.
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And it could be very bad in a in a DD scenario.
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There was a guy, there was a guy, genuinely, there was a guy who thought he had discovered a completely new branch of mathematics that was going to essentially um render modern day encryption completely useless.
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And he was asking, I don't know what AI it was, but he was saying, Are you sure about this?
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Have we really found something?
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And the I kept saying, Yes, this is gonna change the fucking world.
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And it was nothing, it was completely and utterly fundamentally flawed.
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See, I saw the story that announced what it found, but not the the story that you're telling me.
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Oh yeah, no, it turned out it was complete nonsense.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It turned out it's just I know we're already off topic, aren't we?
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Because that's not necessarily DD related.
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But I I don't want it near creative stuff.
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Yeah.
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Like it's not that I'm Oh, this is the good part of it.
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Oh, well.
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And you said you had a balanced opinion, you know.
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So yeah, but no okay.
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But I I use AI in games now, so when I'm DMing, I've got AI That's interesting.
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Yeah, because if somebody I ask what each player is doing, okay, and then once they've given me what they're doing, I go into Notes LM and I put their action in, and it takes a quite a while because it's slower than normal AI.
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And when it's their action, I come back and just double check and read out a little bit, and I know that that is giving it's like an index in a book.
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It's indexing a book.
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It is not creating any content.
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So you're bait you're you're taking notes.
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Like you know you've got a fucking pen in your hand right now.
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I don't understand this distinction.
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Yeah, it's so it's so I can give more detail to to their actions.
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I can say, well, they want to go this place in the city, let me know how how they might get there, who they might encounter there, when they're there, describe the scene and who is in that scene for me.
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And I don't have to pick up a book.
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All my PDFs are loaded into factual stuff you're you're looking at there, right?
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Totally factual, yeah.
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Rather than saying that.
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So you're you essentially sorry, using it for collation.
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Yes, that's all I'm using for.
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Artificial assistance.
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That's what I'm using it for, artificial assistance.
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So I've got maybe 20 PDFs loaded in.
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Are we gonna discuss the elephant around that?
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Which is how many trees and how many litres of water is it costing us for you to take your notes?
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Well, the world is two-thirds water.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, I know it's yeah, no, no, no, no.
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When there is not a shortage of water in the world.
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The world is not the world is not two-thirds drinking water.
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Yeah, but you don't need drinking water to run AI.
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It it it it it it uses an absolutely massive amount of energy and wastes an absolutely and and I'm not saying that we shouldn't ever use it because of stuff like that, but we should be using it for things that are kind of more the more the issue is the the the cost of RAM nowadays, you can't even pick up a computer anymore.
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It's not like a do you do you have like a subscription to an AI or are you just using free AIs?
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No, I've got Gemini at the minute.
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I've had Chat GPT in the past.
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Okay.
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And how much is that how much does something like that set you back?
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Well, Gemini, I got it at the beginning of the year, and it was I think it was about£100 and no, it was£90 for a year's worth for family.
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Okay, so it was a really pretty good offer.
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Let's go back to what you're saying about the action stuff, but you were using it for location details rather than if someone says I said this thing to an MPC, you're not writing it for responses.
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God, no, no, okay, even a short delay on stuff like that will be awful.
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It would be, yeah.
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And I don't want it to take over those thought processes in my brain.
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No.
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I just think I've gonna have to have four books in front of me or four PDFs and John.
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Four's amateur, isn't it, for John?
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It just speeds things up for everybody involved because I'm not my memory's not great.
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So I do rely on reading books while I DM, and this just makes the process quicker.
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Yeah, I don't, I must admit, I don't do that either, John.
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I do the old school, I read them, I must admit.
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Yeah.
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I do read them.
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I do feel a bit of a mug round about now doing so, but it's kind of like I read the adventures before I DM them.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's yeah, you've got to do that.
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I I do my prep, but during the session, I just use it as an aid and it works for me.
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It is yeah, I can't imagine DM.
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It's useful if you're like cities, sort of like sandbox, and there's loads and loads of different locations.
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I've been in a situation where you DM and you you know you don't know, they go to some random place in the city, you gotta have to leap through and find it.
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Yeah.
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If it can reliably tell you that location, that's that's great, yeah.
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It does.
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Positive side.
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And it I don't get it to create encounters for me or tell me what should happen at the in at the place because that would be rubbish.
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I mean, when you do ask for it, if you I don't ever use it, but I have to done so in prep, it comes up with really rubbish things.
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I mean you could your memory your own your own imagination is far better because you understand what the players are, how they'd interact with whatever you present to them.
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The AI cannot understand all those complexities.
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So it would just never use it for that.
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But yeah, just as an indexing feature, it is good.
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And notes LN LN is the best one because it it just references and it doesn't try to create anything.
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Yeah.
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And you can upload 20 PDFs to it, and you can just ask it any question.
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You could ask it a rule.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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We're not sponsored, but yeah, it's got a wire going from the phone socket into the back of his skull for some reason.
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I don't know.
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They are listening, I like the way that John was looking at me, these kids.
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Maybe you know what?
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I'm not gonna come down as hard on you as I thought it is, because that's I I say to people, I don't mind people using AI for grunt work.
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Like, I think we need to, you know, discuss the impact it has on the environment and and and and where the money that's being made from it is going, and there's some morality issues as well if you really want into it, but that's grunt work, like to some extent.
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I I I it's it's when it's near like creativity for me, is when I start to struggle back.
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Dumb down the skill level, because the more it does, yeah, the the less people are going to be inclined to read a fucking book themselves, they'll just take the information that's there.
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That's already happened, isn't it?
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It just plays into modern people that they're just their attention spans a lot shorter, they need their things to be given to them quite easily to digest.
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Well, when I'm doing just uh a search on s for something, I didn't install this, but no matter what search engine you use, there's a little AI thing that comes up as the first option.
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Absolutely, and it's getting harder and harder to get to the actual articles because they're behind firewalls and only the AIs can read them.
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Do you know what I mean?
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You're like, hold on a second.
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People are finding that increasingly useful, aren't they?
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You you talk to most young people now when they when they go online to search something, they're just reading the AI answer and they're taking that as fact and truth.
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They're not doing anything else.
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Despite the fact that it has a caveat at the bottom that says AI can make mistakes, it also changes each time you've put in a search, you get a different answer.
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Well, but this is an interesting thing because I feel if you're researching something and you're reading articles on the subject written by people, like those people have prejudice and influence and belief, and part of what they're writing is putting their point across.
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When you're getting that from AI, I just does it like does it amalgamate all of those different nuances?
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Because two people can write an article on the same subject.
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But in a in a role-playing game sense, yeah, you don't really care, do you?
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You just go with one or the other because they're both imaginary, right?
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So you it's not going to affect too much apart from well, as long as it's consistent, I suppose, with what it tells you.
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Players can have a long memory.
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Sometimes if you go to one place and looks like that the first time, it might not look like the second time.
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So don't use ChatGPT for it.
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Use something that just digs out knowledge and presents it to us, every time you can ask it, so what would happen if this faction mixed with this faction or whatever?
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You can you can get political feedback on things, but it's it's still intelligent.
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But it's easy to spark an idea then, potentially.
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Yeah, it's good.
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I find it good for just helping during the game.
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So on the the good subject, I would say there's a thing about AI doing scenarios, like writing them, running them.
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If someone's not got access to a group or people, you get someone who's living in the middle of nowhere, but they've somehow got internet access.
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Anything is better than nothing.
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And if that's some sort of lifeline to whatever hobby they're into.
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But you think AI itself as in something to interact with the AI to provide you with with a game.
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Yeah.
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I mean apparently these things are yeah, solo role playing, basically.
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Yes.
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And uh like that.
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Have you not tried it?
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No, and I won't.
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I don't want the competition anyway, but purely from an entertainment point of view, I have just realised that I want to see an AI DMing other AIs and I want to see how that would go.
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Like like just academic stroke entertainment.
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It could be it could go on for centuries, and it could be complete lunacy.
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Yeah, the solo role-playing boost is quite a good thing.
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People can upload the rules to a new system and say, Can you just give me a basic little adventure based upon these rules and teach me the rules as you go along?
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And AI can do that shit as well.
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Yeah.
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If you do not have access to people, then I get it.
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And maybe if there's a disability that's presented preventing you from doing what I'm about to suggest, that is going to be a caveat.
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There are solo adventures out there that are written by people on fucking paper.
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You can get them in PDF.
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You don't need you could always buy those, feed those to the AI and say, This is the system, this is the adventure.
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No, well, yeah, I was just saying it's similar to playing a play your own adventure, I suppose, isn't it?
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But I guess you're just not reading it if someone else is doing it for you.
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But yeah, you could input that into it.
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Uh is that possible to input a solo adventure in it and have that run it to you?
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I suppose you could put it play your own adventure and make it.
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Morally, so if we all know how AI writes an adventure, it does it by referencing loads of other people's adventures, right?
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Is there not an element of plagiarism to that?
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Yeah, there is.
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In fairness, that is a major element of DME.
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You can't watch a film with the game, yink, you can't read a book with I love that scene.
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Is there a thing of plagiarism in in scenarios?
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Because there's a lot that have taken influence from all sorts of things like horror, horror movies and stuff.
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I'm not even quite sure you get away with that, would you?
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In the context of our hobby, I don't think the plagiarism is a big, big issue, like you say, because I think everybody's at it and it's meant to be like that, isn't it?
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A bit sharing again.
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Yeah.
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I mean, they're all kind of like EV Indiana Jones inspired or it's kind of tombraid or anything kind of.
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I don't think anyone in their own mind is gonna use use AI to create their adventures and present them to anybody.
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I don't really think that's where it is.
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I think people are gonna use it just to to familiarise yourself themselves with the system and then go out and buy the best scenarios that have been written for the system.
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You know, that they're never gonna be as good.
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What worries me is you could get an AI literally having its own company, knocking out these what would be cookie-cut scenarios.
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They might be good.
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Listen, listen, AI AI literature exists.
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There are books out there entirely written by AI.
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But there's there's um um does anyone know the music streaming platform Deezer?
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So Deezer are the first platform to say we are going to label AI content when we discover it.
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They they should they should tell us in the show.
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You gotta know.
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Then you've got to be a good idea.
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I don't think this podcast can talk about AI generated music.
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Well, I think other than the tongue food, only one of us was involved in that decision-making process, and that is, you know, I I I I think I might have mentioned that initially.
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It is an AI song, our theme theme tune.
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It was made on Suno or whatever it was, and they'll play well.
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I really like it.
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Yeah, it's fun, it's catchy.
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I I like AI.
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We should do a proper version of it.
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I think you should know.
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You should.
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Yeah, but especially considering that at least two of the people at this table are fucking musicians.
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We hadn't we hadn't done music for ages, so we just went the easy route.
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Yeah.
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For jingles and stuff in it.
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Yeah.
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It was uh it was fun and it was quick.
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But it does, as Barry said earlier, taking people's jobs.
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So people learn a skill.
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They've put time, effort, money, you know, student loans out the arse 10,000 hours with a click of a switch.
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Some or someone who votes themselves a pay rise says, no, fuck a lot of you.
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We're we're doing this little program.
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That's happened to me at this table.
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That has affected me the most.
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Just yeah, disproportionately more than everybody else.
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There's no way we can stay on a good side of something without you know, if I wasn't 54 years old, I'd be fucked.
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If I was 20 years younger and I still had 20 years ahead of me to bring up my family.
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Your trade was graphic design, right?
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Graphic design and online programming, yeah, media.
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I can still do a little bit of it, but it's it's increasingly being taken over by AI.
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And what's happening as well is people are using AI to free up more time to do the shit that I was doing in-house, you know, so I as a freelancer, less work escapes the environment of the company itself.
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So that's move on through this concept art.
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This is the first really made an impact, wasn't it, on our community?
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AI art, yeah.
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Has done, isn't it?
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Certainly in the community, people have moved to AI art, haven't they, to for the characters' generations and stuff.
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But as you say they moved, did they ever really draw their art in the process?
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They never did, probably, yeah.
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It allows people to come up with an image, I suppose, it in a good positive way.
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Um Yeah.
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I mean people object to it because they think it's putting artists out of work, but all these people that are creating art, they're being more creative with art than they ever were before.
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True, yeah.
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I can't deny that.
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Yeah, I'm not particularly inspired by the AI art myself, but we've got a case there, you uh the artist that does the fantastic stuff for our podcast.
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Yeah.
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You said has been absolutely kicked in the box because of AI.
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Yeah, she has, yeah.
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What the hell?
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None of our art is AI, just to make that clear.
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Dawn Dawn Lado is our artist, and I've worked with her for many years and she does some brilliant stuff.
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It depends what you want to use it for, isn't it?
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I guess for character portraits, you can come up with something decent, but if you want something sort of like that's quite just steal a photo like everyone.
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Yeah, you could do I yeah, I when I look for a character picture, I'd usually look on the internet and rather than I don't I don't I never use it to come up with the owner.
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I think everyone knows automatically what my position is going to be on this.
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I've already said I don't want it near anything creative, and art is inherently creative, but I'm not digging out the people to do it if like art isn't accessible for you and it it it scratches that itch for you.
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Personally, I don't I I don't think I could take any pleasure out of writing prompts and getting art.
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I'd rather do shit art because at least it's still art.
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But you wouldn't, would you?
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And these people probably wouldn't either.
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So and again, I'm not digging out other people's choices.
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This is how I feel about it personally.
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If you're one of the people that see him on Discord, and of course I never negatively comment on it, but every week you see people put in some and if that's you, fill your boots.
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I'm not I'm genuinely not digging you out, but I'd rather there wasn't any I'd rather I'd almost rather there wasn't character art than AI art.
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AI has weirdly inadvertently made me believe in the concept of a human soul by showing me what art looks like without one.
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And I'm not talking about character art.
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No, then I'm going to what is art, aren't you?
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I mean a character portrait is drawn, but is it art?
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I don't know if it really is.
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It's just an image of what you look like.
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It's an image.
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Art is the work of artists.
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Exactly.
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So if you want something invocative, yeah, I don't think you should go to AR.
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So I do feel sorry for artists, and we have every community has some amongst them, you know, somebody that might even be kind enough to draw your character for you.
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And these people have got have lost the most.
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The last game that I was in, Love on the Water, and the current game that I'm in, Vampire the Masquerade, everyone has done their character art on an app, it's a bit like making guess who character, you get to choose the ears, you get to choose from a load of selections, there's no AI involved in it, and you still end up with something relatively unique that represents your character.
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It's a bit kind of cartoony, but I'd again I'd rather do that than than write prompts.
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If you're not going to go roll with AI under those circumstances on a personal level, at which point you detach from tick technology itself, eventually you'll have to sort of put a break on your use of technology, like John did 20 years ago.
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Put a brake on the use of technology.
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Come on.
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Like I hear what you're saying.
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There is a sense of inevitability about it, but it's failing in so many ways, it's so costly.
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I think there are enough people like me who are at least attempting to resist, not resist as in like it's this big fucking militant act, but just I don't really want to play with it.
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Hopefully, it won't get the hold it it could have, if that makes sense for me.
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I think the main thing is how insidious it is, un unless it's marked, like they say about the the music saying it's AI.
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Sometimes you you'll see it, you can just all work.
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But if you don't know and you're not told, and stuff is just posted, or it could be an algorithm, it could be someone who's just got a particular turn of phrase, but you don't know what you're interacting with, especially online.
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The deep fake stuff is insane.
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Yeah.
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Like they can just make it appear that anyone is saying anything.
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We had a letter from the school this week that said we are monitoring the use of AI for nude pictures of students.
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You should not be able to fucking upload an image of someone and then watch that person committing sexual acts.
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That's just that is fucking abhorrent in it.
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Well, most people wouldn't do it, would they?
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But I don't know about the fucking morals of people these days.
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But most people, you can do that.
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Well, actually, I'm not gonna do that.
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It's something I won't do.
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Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
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But I think you know you can't rely on people's morals these days, that people just do it because they get a laugh out of it.
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But anyway, we moved on to the bad.
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We're well ahead on the bad.
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We didn't even announce a match.
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Sorry, remind me.
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We're not an ugly yet, but remind me what the good was again.
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So the good stuff, no no other resort.
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Yeah.
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I I could see the the use for it, but you know you should know what you're getting.
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But uh degrading the skill set of people when you can just point click, put in a couple of words about something, and then you're the glove puppet that the AI is operating.
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I think that's where we we need to stop that shit.
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Well, I think most people can feel that way about their phone use in the first place.
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AI has just supercharged it.
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Sometimes I look at my kids, I think, What a fucking curse that I am is on you.
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You cannot put it down, you're just constantly looking at it, and ten years ago they didn't even exist.
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I feel sorry for them.
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I think that they've been cursed by an object that I used to think was just fucking fantastic.
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If you don't control it, it controls you.
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And AI is another way that it's controlling us, it becomes more useful.
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So we've immediately gotten away from the good side.
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We are drifting well into the bad yeah, good sizes of distant memory now, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So we've talked about the loss of human spark.
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Barry, this is something you're particularly passionate about.
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Like, you know, I don't care.
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Uh you want to use it to alphabetise a load of shit or to you know, uh I've got friends who are computer programmers, they use it all day, every day.
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You know, I don't know.
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But people can still be creative for sure, but you mean getting paid for it is going to be the issue, isn't it?
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People coming into it as a living.
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I mean, people can always be creative at home, whether it exists or not, for your own Personal use, but people yeah, no longer be able to earn money out of it is the major issue, isn't it?
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So it's going to stop people either developing or going to do study these sort of careers.
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This is similar arguments to when Caxton bought out the printing press.
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Well, and people well, no, the soul of the letters, it's all about the illumination, and someone can just crank a lever and replicate something that took like 10 years to manually.
00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:26.960
Well, the invention of the car in the same respect.
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One of the things, and listen, I I know, and I'm looking at Mark now as well, because I know that every time I mention how much I hate capitalism, I see his eyes roll back in his head.
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It's just but but whenever we did, do you remember like you used to see those films from like the 40s and the 50s when they talked about the city of the future and everyone had all the time in the world because we had all of these machines that were doing all the work for us, and you're like, no, no, no, all of those machines will get put to work by capitalism, and we'll be exactly as fucked as we always just do a lot of pay for it.
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Well, you know, people have got saying to do.
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I'm not a capitalist, by the way.
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No, no, no.
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In order to be a capitalist, one must first have capital.
00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:13.200
Uh right, so yeah, so the loss of human spark, the quirky creativity that makes tabletop stories special.
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Is it being lost?
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Perhaps in the future, maybe.
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Yeah, not in the moment.
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I don't think it is now.
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I think we've gotten like I know when we talked about you using it and how you're using it, and I don't I don't know if it's worth the cost to the planet, but I can see why you're doing it, and it's not it's not affecting the story, it's not delivering the story, it's almost not part of the story, you're just using it as a an intelligent note taker.
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:36.559
Yeah.
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My experiences round the table are it's not actually making that much of a difference to the gabe.
00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:42.240
No, that's good then.
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.279
But a threat to indie creators, we've we've covered this a little bit.
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Yeah, it is that right.
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As always, I'm speaking to someone who's got no artistic skills, but things like artwork, especially.
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:58.960
So the the the World of Darkness splats and Shadowrun, two of my favourites.
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You look at the uh the early artwork that was in there, it's this solid black and white, heavy ink stuff, it's got a real good feel to it, and then you look at the whoever's running the fifth edition at the moment, they bought out the the splats for that, and it's this horrible smooth sort of look.
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It's like AI overlay, and it looks like people wearing really crap fursuits, and it's just been covered over by this AI generated mission.
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And it's horrible.
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Yeah.
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There's no replacement for so honest.
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I was gonna say that does this not help potentially help indie developers, could it not?
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Because they've got no cash.
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.599
I mean, AI might be a cheap way of getting their stuff on onto market, it's a positive side of it.
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:50.559
But if it can yeah, if it might be shit, but it's if they've got no alternative, it's shit or nothing.
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:56.000
Well, in the past they would do it for nothing, they would just do it as a passion project or they'd get cash because it was a decent idea.
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.799
But can AI now sort of playtest your system and stuff?
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Could you use AI to do things that big companies like Hasbro would do five years worth of playtesting?
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Can you do it in like two weeks on AI?
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I I guess they will.
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You look at the Warhammer system we've often criticized because that was a crunchy system.
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Math most systems are mathematically based.
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AI is brilliant.
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They're going into that number crunching and saying, Well, this causes this, this causes a loop that you don't want.
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That's right.
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My point is, could AI potentially give you better role-playing games on the indie side to create not so good, because so could talking to people that go, yeah.
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I don't know.
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It's just a point.
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Yeah, you're drifting backwards in the AI.
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No, no, it's good.
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:42.000
I like this because this is the in-between area, you know, where you could go either way with what's what we're talking about here.
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It's nothing we can do about AI, it is here, so we might as well try and use it as best you can.
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:46.640
But yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean we when we get to the ugly, I don't think anyone will think let's go back and talk about this positively.
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We're gonna get there.
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I'm very depressed in that, aren't we?
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.200
So yeah, we've we've all already covered copyright and plagiarism battles as well.
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There's a legal mess of AI models failing to they're being trained on the hard work of traditional writers and artists.
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Yeah, how they're getting away with it, I have no fucking idea, but it's just truth in it, because they scrape everything, it's the ultimate scraper.
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AI knows everything and just regurgitates it.
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It doesn't necessarily innovate or invent.
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Well the first rules computer programming is garbage in, garbage out.
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:29.599
So if and if it just doesn't uh discriminate on what it's filter feeding, then yeah, you're gonna get high.
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You can hope the result art by amalgamation.
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Like, who wants that?
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It is its own form of art, AI art.
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If it gives equal credence to uh statistical abnormality to uh tried and tested true fact, because it's all out there and it can't differentiate between the two.
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:55.359
It's gonna be problematic.
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Yeah, that's what's happening right now.
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So if you ask it to write a scenario for you, it won't inspire you, it's not gonna be brilliant.
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.839
And it's a bit dumb, isn't it, at times?
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It's like hi, don't use it, but I talk to people, I was chatting to my son.
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My son is a he works in a school, and one of his jobs is to order all of the materials for the um food tech classes, so he's got X amount of teachers all giving their individual class lists, and he's got to compile it all.
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.599
So he put it all into I presume Chat GPT, and it was like, compile this into one list.
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And he was like, and it missed loads of stuff.
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.960
And when I said to it, like, you've missed this, it just went, oh yeah.
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:28.799
I was like, I have made a material.
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It's imperfect, but then it might be perfect for our game because we don't care about being 100% authentic, do we, most of the time?
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It's a time saver.
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.599
Depends if you enjoy that sort of like legwork of reading and stuff, doesn't it?
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.880
Whether you want to use it or not, you can still read it and enjoy it doing it.
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:46.480
Like John obviously does I do as well.
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I enjoy reading it and knowing it.
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.839
Uh would you say that that makes that an elite sense of what makes a DM?
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:53.359
No, it's nothing's what they enjoy.
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:55.119
Yeah, so not what you enjoy.
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Same with art.
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.079
If you enjoy doing art still, you still do it, don't you?
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.920
You don't go to AI, but again, if you enjoy reading this scenario, that's fine, that's great.
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.920
Okay, so you've got three types of DME.
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:09.039
You've got somebody that enjoys reading and is really into their game, and they make brilliant DMs, right?
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.079
Because they can come to the table, they know everything, they present it well.
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:13.440
I think they're the best.
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:19.039
Then you've got the others that just come to the table and wing it and they don't know what the fuck they're doing, and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:19.759
I don't enjoy those.
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:23.440
But yeah, we can show if it works.
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:30.880
Now you've got the in-between, which is a bloke that's just come along and prepped on AI and has got AI in front of him and everything's AI, and he's gonna approach the table.
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.279
That's got to be the worst DM of the three.
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:34.000
Is it for me?
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.319
It would be what the AI approach.
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.519
AI approach, yeah.
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:44.240
If it works and people enjoy it, that's probably the what really matters in the long run, I would say, not the the method it got there.
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.240
So if you're just gonna read it out, you've got no adaptability.
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.319
You're not learning that as a skill.
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.720
So it the AI is dumbing you down.
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:52.960
Yeah.
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.000
Who wants a smooth brain DM?
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.720
You've got to be able to put a quirk on it.
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:03.920
You don't have to be massively familiar with the rule set as long as you can go with the flow.
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.359
Yeah, we're we're not totally against it by the sounds of it, although you probably wouldn't.
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.200
The preferred one is a waste of time unless they develop from that.
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:11.599
Yeah.
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:16.880
If it's a starting block, I prefer to not be aware that somebody's doing it.
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:23.119
If they're doing if they're using AI to create the adventure or they're you know they're relying upon it in so many ways, I think I'd rather not know.
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.160
Because as soon as I did, I wouldn't be able to look at it in the same way.
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:32.000
I wouldn't necessarily I'd be sitting there thinking, oh what, I haven't fucking come to play role-playing games around the table to be DN2 by a computer.
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:32.720
No, exactly.
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.079
It depends how they present it, isn't it?
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:38.880
If they're just every time you say something, they're looking at a list of things and just reciting.
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.400
Yeah, that that's not gonna work.
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:51.599
Yeah, I I guess if it's obvious, then it would be annoying, but if it's not, then I think the distinction between what you said earlier, an artificial assistant.
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:52.079
Yeah.
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:57.519
I can see that being useful as long as you just keep AI in its place, is what I'm saying.
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.839
Okay, so because I think the human beings have written the best adventures ever already.
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.880
You're not gonna beat 'em yourself, you might as well DM 'em.
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.880
Has anyone else got anything to say on the the bad before we get into the ugly?
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.000
Let's do it, let's do the ugly.
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:11.200
It's more right.
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:13.680
I'm interested to know what the ugly can possibly do.
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:27.920
So the one thing that is on people's minds at the moment is the AI DM nightmare, where tech companies will replace human GMs completely in the context of having to play the game because they want to monetize the game in d in a different way.
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:32.960
So they will present the adventures to you with an AI DM.
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:34.240
On an iPad, you mean.
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:35.839
On an iPad or on a computer screen.
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.119
I think it's in the process of happening.
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:42.079
Already happens.
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:54.079
There's a couple of channels on YouTube where they've had an AI running a scenario and people have played in it to f for the experience and to show people what it's like.
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:58.079
But I hate to say it's probably only going to get better.
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:07.440
And again, if you don't have a ref, then maybe but that should never ever be your first choice.
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.039
No, definitely not your first choice.
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:10.000
Yeah.
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:11.440
It'd be interesting to see it though.
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:12.160
I'd like to play it.
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:12.640
Yeah.
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:13.440
Just to see what it's like.
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:14.240
Yeah, you can't knock it.
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.559
Well, the worry is Hasbro are doing this.
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.880
Because they want to monetize everybody that plays it.
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.200
And at the moment the DM is the focus of all of the expenses of of playing a game round a table.
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:24.799
The DM fronts most of that cost.
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:25.839
So how much yeah, come on.
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:27.119
So they eliminate the DM.
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.039
So how much would they charge for that service then?
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:30.880
Well it'd be part of your subscription.
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.119
Or so like a DD Beyond subscription.
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:33.359
Yeah.
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.000
And then that would be in there as you play a bit extra and have a sort of like a DM mark or something like that.
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.359
You just click on Mark John or Steve and it's it just goes.
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:42.319
Yeah, it just goes.
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.960
You can choose your voice and then you can choose your adventure.
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.799
So they won't sell adventures in books, they'll sell them as oh my god, these packages.
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:54.079
I've just realised that a DM is in under that context is fucking basically a sat nav.
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:56.240
Yeah, DMB.
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:57.119
It would be, yeah.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.920
But we could have nothing to lose because you're never gonna DM, so you can't really say, oh well, DM now.
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:03.119
No, no, no, no, no, no, hold on.
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.079
Um that means I've that means I've got everything to lose.
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.960
Because I'm the one whose game's gonna be spoiled by it.
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.359
Yeah, you like playing, you like having human DMs.
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:24.880
I don't want to, yeah, of course I like having human DMs, and I've got you know, and and again, it's well you know, we consistently describe this hobby as you know fucking creative, collaborative storytelling, and I don't want AI near anything creative.
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:43.839
I think what we do, I'm not suggesting we're creative in the same way that like artists and authors and musicians are, but it's like that it's the creativity of fun and entertainment for your own gratification, not and I don't I don't want a machine anywhere anywhere fucking near that, yeah, unless it's serving me espresso martinez.
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:51.039
So you yeah, you you feel as if that's that is gonna be lost, that human contact with with somebody who's making decisions on what you're doing rather than having a computer do it.
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.440
But if you can imagine, you don't I don't think it's gonna be lost.
00:32:53.519 --> 00:33:09.680
I think there will always be people like me who are like, no, fuck you, um we're gonna run a proper There are still people that play A D D and there are people who won't even move on to a new rule set, let alone an a like I don't think we're at the kind of risk that people think they are.
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:14.240
I think this community will go uh enough of this community will go no, I'm alright, thanks.
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:20.480
But finding a DM can be quite difficult, and being a DM is disproportionately more time takes up more time to do that.
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.160
And have nothing but respects, admiration, and love for those that do it.
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.200
Yeah, so you've got a group of six people and you know somebody's got a DM and maybe there isn't one amongst you.
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:35.200
The option is to have an AI DM and all of you play, and who knows how the experience still might be your own.
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.000
It might be.
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:36.559
Don't I?
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:52.400
Do they come out with impromptu jokes and innuendos like John might guys look and I know that I don't DM, but if I was in a situation where there was like five of us that wanted to play and no one was going to DM, at that point I would be saying we should be taking it in turns.
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:52.640
Yeah.
00:33:52.880 --> 00:34:00.960
So you run a short campaign, I'll run a short campaign, you run a short campaign, we'll find out which one of us has got the best aptitude and wants to crack on with it more and and and let's give that a go before.
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:04.000
Oh, have you seen this um DM that we can buy from Hasbro?
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:09.519
It costs 30 quid to buy the adventure and the DM and we can play the game with them and then we can all play.
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.159
You can we can all play characters, depend on how good it is, isn't it?
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:16.079
And totally if it's just rubbish and it's sort of pulling you up on language and stuff, it could do, couldn't it?
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.440
They could just super woke on it and just say, no, you can't say that.
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:21.519
Oh sorry, you cannot make that action.
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:28.559
And I just want to be clear in my experience, in my in my experience and and from what I've read, most AIs lean towards the right rather than the fucking left.
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:29.840
Definitely not from my experience.
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.719
Well no, but Stani Deaths, yeah, go, sorry, you cannot do that action.
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:35.840
On with the ugly.
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.159
Uh the other thing is community backlash.
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.280
It's not great, is it?
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.280
Because as a community, we're pretty chilled.
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:46.960
I mean, and most most things we don't tend to worry about because we don't we don't talk about real life shit very often.
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:51.280
But AI definitely looks like it's causing division in in the community.
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:58.320
Well, we've had it on our forum a couple of times where people have been quite upset and almost at loggerheads over their attitude toward AI.
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:05.840
It's like those that are pro AI, it's like it seems to be personal to them if somebody criticises the use of it, even generally speaking.
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.199
Yeah, it's strange to see these kind of extreme points of view.
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.760
And they are they are part of the hobby now, I think.
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:17.760
And I don't think anything like that is good as like you know, it's it's nice to be able to just chill in it and all display again.
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:25.440
But yeah, it can be a little bit quicker.
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:31.440
If you already know what you're looking for, whatever, you don't want to go flicking through on the fly in the middle of the session.
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:47.679
If you're depending on doing that as your only way of finding information, you're missing out on the looking through the books and other stuff catching your eye and filling in gaps that maybe you didn't know you had.
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:59.440
If you're just going directly to the source, you're missing out on all the erroneous information that you collate subconsciously or otherwise, and it gives you inspiration, is what you're talking about.
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.039
Again, those are exactly the skills that are gonna get eroded by this.
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:07.280
Yeah.
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:07.920
Yeah, they are.
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:17.679
That's why we've got to use it for a uh like a tool rather than uh you know, we've got to find a way to make it work for the DM and in the hobby and not overtake things.
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.039
Is a tool, but it's increasingly becoming something that controls us.
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:22.320
Well, that's an AI, isn't it?
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.079
And AI is is supercharged though.
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:24.880
That's the thing, isn't it?
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.719
It could uh yeah, it could go too far and become the thing that everyone relies on rather than doing it your own using your own brain with it.
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.000
Yeah, so where does it lead us?
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.960
Where does it Where is the hobby at the end of this whole process?
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.840
It's certainly if there's no controls, yeah, there will be AI DMs and probably AI players as well.
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:50.079
No, no, no, but but you look, we're all gonna be in like some fucking underground fight club scenario where AI free DM fucking We'll be batteries, won't we?
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:51.440
Plugged into some wall somewhere.
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:52.480
Has that been done though?
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:54.000
Yeah, it probably is.
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:55.440
Yeah, well, where does it lead?
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:56.800
It's not it's not great, is it?
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.320
Do you you wish you could pause it here?
00:36:58.400 --> 00:36:59.679
Like the use of mobile phones.
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:09.360
I think after three years it was great, and then suddenly social media and all of these other pressures to pick up your phone and use it, and it's become something that isn't so great in my mind.
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:16.239
But now AI is at that stage, isn't it, where you can you can still use it and you can get a lot from it, but it hasn't taken over.
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.719
Companies are still employing humans, turning everyone into consumers rather than creators.
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:26.880
I think I wish I'd said that.
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.079
That is the dark side, the side that is the threat, isn't it?
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.239
We're just sitting back and passively taking the lot.
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:34.960
And come on.
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.960
And eventually sometimes you want to push.
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:44.079
Yeah, so once they eliminate all human creativity, they'll start charging us for that creative being provided to us.
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:49.760
Yeah, and that AI will charge the same for regurgitating you and your peers' work.
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:50.480
Yeah.
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.880
Alright, so that's the end of our AI discussion.
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:59.840
Hopefully, we've we've frightened enough people off it so we can maintain our hobby for the next 10 years, at least, as it is, because we love it.
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:03.199
Read things, write things, yeah, be great, guys.
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.119
Listen, it make trash art.
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.800
It doesn't matter if what you produce ain't the fucking best.
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.480
It's it's not about how you do it, it's about why you do it.
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:21.679
And that reminds me of a message that I think particularly you were putting out there early on in our podcast about how you should approach the game in the first place.
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:26.000
You know, this is about doing the best you can, it's not about being perfect, having the perfect accent.
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:27.039
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:37.360
Just yeah, throw yourself, it is putting part of yourself into this stuff that you do, and that's what for me is missing from you know it's only a mistake if you refuse to learn from it.
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.400
I I am remarkably resilient to learning.
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.480
That has become your catchphrase.
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:43.119
I love it.
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.960
We've already got you to confess that you would, given the extreme service.
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.679
So we have found we have found one circumstance where I would agree to do it.
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:59.599
I yeah, I'd just say I think what makes a game good when I'm playing it for a DM, it's the DM's personality they put into it, and that would obviously be lost with any AI.
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:00.719
Oh, that's such a good point.
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.079
I can't believe that I can't believe it's taken us this long to get to that as well.
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.360
It's such a good point because you do you some DMs blow your mind, don't they?
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.159
Every now and then you sit down with something and you're like, fucking hell.
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.280
They're incredible, and I don't know if you'd experience that.
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:14.239
And and yeah.
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:14.719
Yeah.
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:16.320
Yeah, that's it, that's what it's all about.
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.159
That's hopefully it's never lost.
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:20.079
Not in our lifetimes, anyway.
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:20.400
Amen.
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:29.840
Storytellers have been around as long as people have had a fire to sit around and long enough to not be fighting off the sabre-tooth boss names that are trying to kill her.
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.320
Probably the third oldest profession.
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.079
Stephen, I'm enjoying the Cthulhu that you're running at the moment so much.
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.639
Yeah, it's a really, really, really good farm.
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:41.360
That uh yeah.
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.119
Yeah, yeah, head on the road plus service to listen to the Cthulhu Lai play.
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:46.400
It should be it's like an excellent.
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:47.599
Banging, yeah.
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:47.840
Yeah.
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.719
Okay, so let's all slice and dice.