Running into "The World's Worst Weather"

All right. Should we, you want the juice? I need the juice, man. There you go. How you been? I'm good. We are back. We have much to discuss. I feel like I say that at the beginning of every one of these things, what's the point of saying that we always do. That's the whole reason for. Recording a podcast we have much to discuss, must have something important to say.

I feel like we haven't recorded in a little bit. And, uh, it feels like my life has been a mess since then. What I mean? Well, we have a lot to discuss. We have a lot to discuss, uh, I hate to say mass, like I'm going through some, uh, intense. Drama myself, but there's drama around me. Any who welcome everyone.

Remembering I'm an animal. My name is Billy Baker. That guy there is Dr. Jody Semos and now friends. I, I have to say to you all, uh,  and you Jody, the sun is finally out. So sun's out plums out. Have you SunEd your balls today? No, I hadn't had a chance yet.  it is 54 degrees. So sun is out today is the last day of spring, technically, uh, in the.

Yeah. Tomorrow morning is a solstice and it has been gray and cloudy and crappy and cold for quite some time now. But we are back at our, uh, undisclosed location. Mm-hmm , which have a lot of people have asked me where the undisclosed location don't tell 'em. Don't tell 'em we, uh, We can't tell you where it is unless we see you in person.

I will tell you, but on the air, we cannot say where we are, but I will say we are right now inches from the Atlantic ocean. We are looking out. It is a gorgeous morning to be looking at a boat. I don't know if it would be so much fun to be on a boat, but they are glistening in the 54 degree weather. So, uh, let me do the thing I often do, which is try and explain what we are doing here.

Okay. Mm-hmm  so I have, I have more  this is my favorite part of the show. Okay. Everyone. Here's what this journey is about. Remembering I'm an animal, at least today's. Definition of what that journey is about. We are trying to the, and so this oftentimes it's a riff on previous ones, so we're riffing a little bit.

So we are trying, trying to restore these homo sapiens to their factory settings. And to do that, we are attempting to read the owners manual that is written into our genes. Oh yeah. I like that. We are trying to piece it together. Here's my question though. Are we trying to. Create slash invent this owner's manual or are we trying to discover it?

Hmm. It's like, we're troubleshooting it. Ooh, I like that. There's this we're gonna keep banging up against the wall and we're gonna keep making mistakes and keep trying things and keep putting things out there. And. Reporting back. All right. We are beta testing. Literally the only thing that is not beta test in beta test anymore.

Um, I am now reaching for the beta alanine, but the, the question of was it invented or discovered. I, uh, years ago in my younger years, I tried to write a book about jugglers. And that was a question that popped up, which was. Was juggling invented or discovered like, Ooh, does it just exist? You know, are these the invisible patterns in the sky that have been sitting there all long mm-hmm  for, you know, two hands and three or more objects.

All right. Bottoms up, man. It's early. Oh, that that hit poorly. So, uh, Jody, you have much to catch us up on what have you been doing without me? Oh, not much. Just hanging out.  you know, um, Maybe I did a little race this weekend. So this past weekend, it is now what? Monday on Saturday was the Mount Washington road race.

That's, which we've been speaking about at length on this podcast, 7.6 miles straight up a hill, only one hill and someone is now putting on their metal. Oh, which, um, that's a pretty dope metal. Did I? Did I get one?  you did not. You did not. So, uh, that's a really nice metal actually. I'm I'm more than there you go feel the heft.

So it's like, uh, I do feel the Hef to couple inches square.  so, yeah, silver in color. That's really nice. The, uh, I like the, the logo is a, just a windy road inside of a sneaker. It's it's a very well done. I'm not gonna do a good job explaining it, but let me explain the drama that happened, uh, to me and you.

So I did not participate in the race because my aunt passed away and her funeral was that morning. So I stayed behind Jody, went ahead to New Hampshire and. Ran into, uh, something Mount Washington is famous for, which is what Jody, the world's worst weather . It's true. So, I mean, so, uh, let me skip to the end of the story.

They. , uh, it was so bad at the summit, right. Or I guess the, the higher altitudes, uh, cold and particularly wind mm-hmm . I mean, there were predictions of like 65 miles an hour sustained up to a hundred miles an hour. Yeah. A hundred miles gusts. So they, um, modified the race. So you, it, what was the modification?

Four miles. You went four miles. So. The weather was so bad on the top and predicted to be bad. And Billy here was quick to keep sending me these summit reports. These little screen captures, you know, on, on Tuesday, on Wednesday, on Thursday, like 90 degrees gusts and, you know, wind chills, 10 degrees, uh, rhyme ice, which is that ice that forms on things.

But the wind is so blow is blowing so hard that it forms sideway. Um, snow at the, at the summit. And that's where we were supposed to run to right to the summit. Not only that, but our families were supposed to drive up to it in vehicles and then wait for a couple hours for us to get there. Yeah. And that was my concern.

When I kept texting you all week, these things like, are we sure that our wives are not gonna wanna murder us for this whole thing? And, and, and that had occurred to me. We kept doing that whole back and forth. And, um, and, and I think ultimately you sign up for shitty conditions with this race, right. As a runner, but having cars on a road that.

Doesn't have, you know, it's not a highway. Right, right. I don't even know if it had guardrails at all anywhere. No. And then you get above treeline and I guess it's, it's pretty hairy. And then a hundred mile hour gust hits, you know, the Honda Odyssey sideways, the minivan. I, yeah. That I honestly was having, even before my aunt passed away and all this, you know, just thinking that through, like, all right.

So driving up is.  both the easier part and the scarier part, because your vehicle is on the cliff side. Yeah. Right. So you're on the right side of the road. You're on the side where the drop offs are, but you're at least going uphill. You're, you're not relying on your brakes. The wing gust would be a nightmare.

All that I fully anticipated that my wife would be, you know, white knuckled. Understandably Uhhuh, get to the top, spend four hours sitting in a car, getting blasted by wind, getting mad at me for, you know, not fully explaining what I'd forced her to do. And then on the ride down, she would say you drive Uhhuh.

And I would've just ha would have just finished running 7.6 miles up this Mo. Yeah. And that's where my nightmares came from.  did you have any of these nightmares? I mean, I. I had to respond to your texts with like, you know, basically taking another position. Like I wasn't so worried about them entertaining the kids on the top of the mountain.

They would do it once. They'd never do it again. But yeah, the, the driving was like, oh, that's gonna be shitty on the way up. And I don't know what it's gonna be like on the way down, you know, I don't know how a couple hundred cars, you know, like in a long line going down. Yeah. Potentially icy conditions, but I kind of had faith.

They would do something, they would either ice or yeah, ice they'd either put, um, salt on the roads or do something. And this idea of a modification I think has happened before. And so that was in the back of my head too. Modific meaning shortening the race of the run. They do something, you know, they would change it somehow.

And, and that's, that's what they did. So. Okay. So Friday at 4:00 PM, we all, all runners got the email. That the race was on. And I had done a halfass job, a packing. I sent you some pictures, like, okay. I mean, I had my winter gear. Yeah. Packed. I mean, wind pants and you know, a, a sh a shell for a jacket. That's a shell.

Um, All kinds of thermal layers. I brought, I packed, um, ski goggles, right. In case I was, you know, like if it was, I thought you saw snow, snow shoots. Well, that was like you bringing the snow shoes. That was a joke. But I, I bought it. You know what? It was a good joke because. That's what's baller about Mount Washington, right?

Oh, so baller the base is, you know, you're, it's summer's day in New Hampshire. Yeah. And then you go to the top and you were in not just like bad weather, but the worst weather you've ever been in, in your entire life. That's what the, I mean, Mount Washington. It's only like 6,500 feet high or something like it's the tallest peak in new England, but you know, according to the rest of the world, that's a pimple.

What is unique about it is its height is perfectly.  position so that it's just below one layer of the atmosphere. We'll call it the troposphere, but blah, blah, blah sphere, something O sphere that checks out. And so when the wind goes across a, it gets squeezed between the mountain peak and that level.

That's why the winds are so fast all the time. Yeah. Like all the time and interesting. Yeah. Years ago I, I spent. A night up there in the winter. Did I already tell the story? But, uh, I took a snowcat up. They were basically starting a program where you could go up in the winter, take a snowcat up the auto road, spend the night at the famous weather observatory.

That's been there for, you know, couple hundred years or something like that. And you essentially were paying money for extreme weather tourism. Like there is nothing to do except go outside and be like, I've never felt anything like this. And there's this thing where if you do like a lap around the terrace on the top of the observatory in winds that are over a hundred miles an hour, you, you join like the century club or something like that.

And that's what I wanted to happen. The, unfortunately the winds were only like 80 miles an hour and minus a hundred, you know, temperature. So. Anyway, so crazy. They made the call. They were only gonna run two miles up and then two miles. Four miles up. Oh, you did four miles up. Yeah. Oh, four miles up. Okay. So you go essentially half, they decided to, to, to help, you know, let you go halfway up the mountain.

So we that's. So you ran eight miles in total. Did you run down or did you walk? I did a mixture on the, on the, on the way down, but, um, yeah, so, so, but backing up, you know, we get this email at four, I did a half ass job of packing, like I said, but then it's like, okay, now it's go time. We are tonight. We are driving to, you know, New Hampshire to, to, um, Your uncle's place and.

We're gonna do this. So I quickly, you know, pack everything up. We had a little league game to go to my son's in the playoffs in little league, so right. We had to go to that and leave from there. So we left that game. He won. So now he's in the championship. There you go. Uh, go Yankees  are they really the Yankees?

The Yankees, yeah. In this town, weird fun.  so, you know, great win everything. And then we get in the car and we bomb up there and get there at 10 30 at night. You know, you kind of unpacking, um, I'll stop and say lovely place. Is it? Okay? Thank you, uncle Mike. Awesome. My kids were. So psyched, they had such a great time in, oh, they did.

Okay, cool. Cool spot. I mean, they kept saying, um, this was, it was funny, you know, they're sitting on the couch, they're, you know, hanging out and out in the loft, they've got bunk beds and they both kept saying they forgot they were on vacation because I think they're so you, we go somewhere, we crash in some Fleabag hotel.

Right. You know, and it two rooms, a bathroom and a, you know, that's it. And then you're gone and this was just felt, you know, it. They're in a condo. So it, it just felt like they were home and yeah. Yeah. They really enjoyed it. So that's great. So it was fun and we all, we all had fun up there. So thanks again, uncle, uh, cousin, Mike, uncle Mike cousin, Mike.

He's my cousin, but I call him uncle Mike. Do you okay? Yeah. Um, so that was great. So we get there unpack, and then the next morning, you know, I'm still like, all right, what do I need for this race? Right. And, um, get everything together and get there in plenty of time.  and CA and my wife noticed this too.

When we get to the race, uh, to the, the, the, uh, bottom of the mountain, there are a lot of really fit. People those assholes in this race. Right? Right. No, I get it. If you were like a hard hardcore runner, this is a bucket list event, right. This is a immense challenge, 7.6 miles up amount. And the average grade, I think is 12%.

I think that's yeah. Average grade at 12%. This is not your like local community 5k. Right? Right. This was, there were a lot of really, which is how we trained.  exactly. Like I never ran for more than an hour. Okay. I mean, I didn't, you know, I found some Hills, you know, we're at sea level, you know? I mean, I was just, I mean, I ran and it's been wonderful to get back into running since basically January when I was inspired by our podcast.

Yeah. Um, to start running and using my body in that way. And you know, just a couple of small, minor injuries that I've worked through, but, um, no, not, not training for. I, I don't know how folks trained for this. I think they probably run a lot and they do hill repeats or something, but right. Um, there are a lot of fit people on the bottom of this and, you know, like to just, uh, I, I.

I have to keep reminding myself that some people are listening for the first time. Why, why is running a part of this journey? Because it may be the fundamental human ability, distance running. That's what allowed us to chase down animals that were much larger than us. And we were, you know, under gunned, certainly not gunned, uh, at any point for, um, the majority of our existence.

So. That's what inspired us to get into it. Yeah. Then we kind of backed into this idea, oh, we'll do this race. We, you know, we were gonna enter a lottery and then we got offered these charity bibs, and next thing you know, we're signed up for this. And I, I, I didn't mean to talk over there, but I think the what's been interesting about this feeling the whole time is that butterflies.

In my stomach of like, this is for the, the elite runners. Like we, what are we biting off here? Yeah. So, so I'm, I'm I'm oh yeah. So now you're starting line and you're just like, I am, I'm out of my almond here. I'm looking around and I don't see a lot of Jody's in the, in the field, you know? And, uh, yeah, so I'm looking around and, and, and I see a few, like, I see a couple of guys that, uh, they have.

A Gloucester running. Okay. Cruise shirt. I can't remember exactly what it said, but it's a Gloucester runners or something like that. So I see a couple of one person I knew and engaged and, you know, maybe exchanging pleasantries with a few other people. And, and I keep, I feel like people look at me and then they look down and they check me out, you know?

Okay. They're looking at what I'm wearing and I'm wearing. Like basically mountaineering, wind pants type K you know, with like side pockets, super loose fitting, you know, like maybe should have brought a belt and then I've got this shell, you know, this basically a raincoat, you know, that I'm wearing. And, and I've got my back, my yellow backpack, which was a.

Biking. This is just stuff I had, you know, they're not, it's not running clothes. It's just stuff like, well, I used to, when, when I did winter hiking, this was a good, you know, outer she to wear. Then I've got my, when I used to bike, I had, uh, you know, like a Camelback basically, you know, BA big, bright, yellow, ugly.

Backpack with the reservoir and it with a couple liters of Gatorade. And, um, yeah, everybody's kind of like, and, and I said to Katie, when we first got there, I said like, there are a lot of people in tights and then no, no one looks like me.  it's like first day of school. And she's like, yeah. You know, why, why don't you need to have like proper running cheese table.

She's telling me like, all these things I should have, I should be wearing. And I'm like, well, this is what I got, you know? And, and, uh, I'm, I'm prepared for like, you know, a winter hike, but I'm running. Right. So anyway, just, yeah, a lot of, a lot of people that were maybe more prepared than me, and you're just all assembling down at the, down at the bottom where it's, it's flat and you know, it's a typical stuff, you know, there's someone on someone psyching you up, uh, talking about the conditions.

Um, and how are the conditions at the base? Uh, mid fifties and spitting rain. Okay. Starting the rain. You started shitty and it got worse. Yeah, it was, it was, you know, it wasn't terrible. Uh, it's all relative to what was up top. Right. And, and there was a lot of the announcers were. Reassuring everybody. This was the right choice by telling you what the conditions were okay up, up top.

And they, they pretty much, I think they bore out, you know, there's a ton of wind. I think there was, there was ice, there was maybe a chance of snow up there. And I think most of that, I didn't hear the a hundred mile hour gusts, but there were gusts that were, you know, in the eighties or nineties. So I think that's what they were worried about.

Mostly worried about the cars. Um, But, yeah. So that's the decision that was the reason for four miles, four miles, then turn around. Okay. And walk your ass down. So the finish line was at the top, so it's four miles up and then you that's, it that's the line you crossed. That's your time when you got to the top or when I say time, when you got to the four, the middle, when you got to four mile mark.

So after that, it didn't matter what you did. You know, you can walk down, you can go for a hike, you go, whatever it doesn't, your time is already long. Middle. Yeah. So I, um, you know, I'm kind of stretching out. I see a lot of people doing some stretches. I see a lot of people running, you know, like really the really good runners are low.

I think they're, they. Let's talk about the core for a sec. The core of runners who are also performing for other runners. I feel like that's the bigger flex than being good in a race is running before the race. Yeah. And then running after the race. Oh God. Yeah. Those people who run after the race. Or it's so I, I get it, you know, I, you know, I normally do 12 today, so I'm just gonna do the 10 K twice, you know, like, but don't throw it in the face of the fatty who this is their dream, right?

Yeah. You're lapping them right now. Yeah. Like that's the flex, that's the, uh, you know, uh, there's a little bit of that. So there is something too, and I don't know if it's my age, that first mile, like if you just jump out of the car, You know, and go that first mile, you feel, you really are like you.

Breaking the rust and okay. It just, there's a little bit of warm up. Right, right. I think there's something to it and I would probably benefit from it, but I'm doing a half ass job, like, oh, I remember these stretchers, I'm gonna do this. And I'm gonna kind of jog in place and like, well, I don't wanna use all my energy.

Exactly. Yeah. So I didn't do too much of that, but, um, yeah. You know, the. They have a small little, there's a little like toy cannon that someone brought. Okay. You know, it's New Hampshire who knows, but it's got, he's got a toy cannon. This guy's over in the corner. I saw him before, but that was the race gun.

It was a toy cannon. I guess my kids were pretty close to point. It went off and it looked like a shotgun shell. Okay. You put in there and boom, that was, that was the starting, that was the starting gun. So then you run through and it's like flat for about, you know, they tell you it's a hundred, couple hundred yards and then.

Yeah, there's the, then the, the mountain starts and I, I warmed up, I did go over and I warmed up on the, the first part where I saw people running and I ran up, uh, before the race and then ran down and I came back to my wife. I'm like, that is frigging steep. Like, that's why I was gonna, so right from the beginning.

I mean, we, you know, we have been running, I've been running up Hills a lot and it's like, I was wondering, I mean, the thing about running up a hill is. It only takes like five seconds before you're like, oh, this is, this is much harder than running in flat ground. Yeah. And I, I was wondering like, in this race, as I was trying to think it through, I, I was wondering if the expectation that there were seven more miles of Hills would make those first five seconds go by easy or the first five minutes.

So the first, you know, where you, well that's. Yeah. So did that happen? So I it's easy to pitter patter along on the flats. Right, right. And everybody's sort of, you know, Talking and getting ready and the butterflies are there and someone says, uh, I could hear someone say I'm tired already. Yeah. And I, and I turned to 'em.

I said, you're my pacer. , you know, I'm sticking with you and I, you, the, the field spreads out a little bit and certainly the people who and. We're gonna be running really hard and trying to win this thing. We're up front, right. I, I put myself in the middle. Right. You know, and, and towards the middle and we're all running and, um, I start running up the hill.

And then I started to get pretty tired, pretty winded, and I stopped running and I looked at my watch and I had lasted six minutes, really? So I ran for six minutes total, including the flat parts. And, um, yeah. Yeah. So from the time that I crossed the start, you know, okay. And there's this little flat part where you're, so, and then boom, you start going up this hill, which is pretty FA you know, it comes pretty quick, maybe after a hundred yards or so then now you're on a legit hill.

As big as any hill around this town. Okay. It starts off. Right, right. Like that. And never leaves and never lets up and six minutes I'm like, shit. So I, and I knew I was gonna walk okay. For some of this, but I didn't know, you know how that would go, but I know I wouldn't be able to run, run up this. Were you the first person to walk?

No. Uh, okay. I ran into a bunch of people. Doing this sort of uphill quote, unquote walk. So I walk for a little while and then I start running again all, and then I get gased and I start walking and I do this cycle over and over again. And I actually looked at my, my data at the end. I, I ran 14 times. Okay.

So I ran in the. And I ran at the end and in the middle that you can clearly see where my cadence and my heart rate were going, you know, going up and down. Right. So 14 times I reached into the tank, so to speak. And was it strenuous even to walk? Yeah. Oh yeah, but it, but I could recover, you know, I'd recover enough.

And once I felt recovered, anytime, it was like, you know, slightly. Less hilly or when I felt okay, I'm good now. Yeah. You know, lactic acid has moved out. I started running just to like, and then I'm, and then what's happening, like with any race there's. People around you that you keep seeing, you know, like there's certain people that, you know, I said, this guy, you know, you're my pacer.

I don't know what happened to him. Could have smoked me. He could have been way behind me, but then I started to see these, you know, few recognizable, uh, people, including the girl in the purple Tutu. Okay. And the girl in the purple, someone in the Tutu, right. She was my girl. Okay. She was always ahead of me, but always within sight and I would, and, and part, and that was part of the reason I was.

Running to catch up and then I'd get really close and then I'd start walking. This is that kind of thing. So I had her in my sights the whole time, and I don't remember looking at my watch at the first mile, but there are mile markers just on the road, you know, nothing to do with the race. They're they're already there.

And I know when I came to this, the two mile marker, I looked at my watch and it was under 30 minutes and I'm like, okay, okay. I may be like doing 15 minute miles.  basically, you know, at least at mile two, and then I get to mile three and I'm just under 45 minutes. I'm like, okay. I'm I'm still doing. I think I have continued to just be under 15 minutes and now I there's only a mile.

To go. And I'm like, I could do this in under an hour. And that basically that was the Billy Baker in my head. Oh, like what Billy Baker would be thinking like, all right, what's your time and this is your goal. And this is, you know, you're gonna beat it next time you gotta have. Yeah. I started to think shit.

I really don't want to do this in over an hour. I, I want to get under the album. I had no idea. Like Katie was like, my wife was asking me at the beginning of the race, like, well, when should, should we go and come back? And then I'm like, I have no, I, I have no idea. I don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah. You know, I'm like, if this, you know, I'm trying to do all this, like, oh, if I run this pace and I don't know, I think it's gonna take me an hour and a half to get up at least an hour and a half.

And then, you know, it's gonna take me that much time to get down as it was. I, uh, I could, I kept that purple Tutu in front of me and I crossed the line. I think my time is 55 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. You said that that's great. Like I did it, you know, I honestly thought you.  I, when you, I thought it was two miles up and two miles down when you said four miles and your time was 55 minutes, I honestly was kind of like, Hm, not that impressive, Jo.

two miles downhill. How long does that take you? Yeah. Uh, but now that I know that it was an eight mile loop. Yeah. So I don't know if I could, so the question would be that that's a PA that's my pace. I was. I crossed the finish line. I ran the last piece of it. Right. Running uphill. I'd already run 13 times.

I was pretty gassed. I was happy that it was over in your head though. Did you, were you like, I never could have done another 8.6 miles or I think if the same, like the same day, same condition that I was in. I wouldn't have, I don't think, I don't know what I would've had left after another, you know, three point whatever miles.

Yeah. I really, I think I would have had to dial back a little bit. Right. You know, um, 15 mile or yeah, 15 minute mile. Would probably be a great goal. Right. If you were doing the whole thing, but I don't know if I could do it in my current state. Like those guys. I know that ran it last year are no offense way fitter than you.

Yeah. And they did like two and a half hours supplement two and a half hours. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, to to think that, yeah. I, no way I would've done that. I would've been gased but yeah. So I crossed the line and it's, they. Parked like four emergency vehicles so that there's no way to go any further. Okay. And there's a water station there and there's the, the announcers are there and everybody sort of gathers, but there really isn't a party, you know, you just start walking back down.

They had you kind of go on a little loop and go down. But I found the woman in the purple Tutu I did. And I went up to her and I said, and I'm out of breath. I'm like almost puking. And I'm like, you we're my pacer. I saw you in your Tutu. And she just looks at me. She says, I love when people tell me that.

And she points to this person who I thought was with her, but wasn't she hands this kid, her phone take a picture of us. Oh, in this woman's photo. So, um, purple two, two got me up the mountain, but, um, yeah. And then up there. As I was getting closer, like the last mile. The wind started to pick up. And I had my shell obviously zipped open, you know, cause I'm overheating.

But then I hit that wind and I was really actually stunned, honestly, about how cold I got. Okay. How fast the temperature dropped. And I get this, I was just reading this online that it was 30 degrees at. Middle point. Okay. It was already 30 and the wind was blowing, so I don't know what the windshield was like, and it was raining and it, it was pretty gnarly at that point.

Yeah. And I got cold real fast while I was running. I had to stop. Was that above treeline? Not yet. Okay. No was not above treeline. Yeah. And, and it was already that, that bad. So that's another thing. Um, had I had to keep going, how would I have kept. Warm, honestly, you know, I had dry, everything was wet. Yeah.

My hat, my hat, you know, a winter hat on it was soaked, you know, everything soaked. And, uh, if I had another 3.8 miles to go or whatever it is in, in soaked clothes, You know, kind of gasped that is some serious shit. This event only goes on because someone hasn't died yet. Yeah. Right. Like it's crazy. It is.

Uh, I see, you've got this book over here, death on Mount Washington. This is your easy reading. This, this is my father's day gift. Fortunately, I got it the day after the race, but yeah. Doubt death on Mount Washington. I think 150 people have done it's wild. Oh, you didn't go to the summit, but there is a, um, A, like a, um, what do they call it?

Where like, it's a map. That's like a model, you know, it's like raised up whatever, like a 3d yeah. A 3d map. And you can like hit a button that then lights up a dot for every place someone's died on the map. Oh my God. That's really the worst part of that is how many of them died? So close to shelter that they just couldn't find, you know, they were in white out conditions.

Yeah. And they just, you know, find them the next morning, like a hundred feet from safety. Yeah. I had, you know, it's a race on a road with lots of, you know, Support vehicles and people with walkie-talkies and all that stuff. Right. But I seriously, in my bag, I threw the, um, what do you call it? The like the emergency blanket, the emergency blanket, and like a couple of things like, dang, just in case  the, uh, well, the there's another book about death on Mount Washington that has the best title of any book I've ever seen.

It's and the title is not without peril and that's why people die on Mount Washington, cuz. It's the same story. They started out and it's 75 degrees and they're wearing, you know, dad sandals like yours and you  first stroll. All of a sudden they, they get they're in a white Oak blizzard in the middle of the summer.

So it, uh, yeah. It's insane. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this, cuz I was.  I was, I was disappointed that I couldn't do it. And I was realizing there were three different disappointments in front of me. And, uh, I, I got stuck with one that was kind of outta my control. The D you know, disappointment of, I couldn't do it.

Uh, then there was a I, um, the disappointment of, if I did do it and failed, you know, and failed could be a relative term. It could be failed in the, like, I walked six of the seven miles or something like that, like failed in my own head. Um, And then the disappointment, another disappointment. And, and I don't wanna put, you know, words in your mouth.

Mm-hmm,  disappointment of like, oh, they didn't run the whole race, the whole thing, the whole experience. So do you feel disappointment, pride, uh, unfinished business? What, what does it feel like? Um, As I G I finished. Yeah. And then I hadn't raced, hadn't done a, even a 5k in, in years and years. Right. You know, in my twenties, I had started running and I talked about this and I, you know, hurt my knee and I didn't know what I was doing.

And, and I abandoned running and. So I certainly haven't done any races. So this was the first time I had done any kind of race in that environment. And that was so exciting to be part of that. Now it wasn't the race that we signed up for with the summit of Mount Washington. Yeah. But it was a four mile uphill race, which is pretty fucking bad ass.

That's insane. Like, you know, I, I, in my head, I, I had it so wrong. Four miles straight up a hill, I mean, badass, legit. Yeah. Legit. So, um, far more. Strenuous than the five Ks. I might have thought I crushed in my twenties now, you know, now I'm late forties and I ran up a hill. Um, and I did it and I, and I felt strong and, and yeah, I want, now I do want the whole thing.

I want more, I want to, you know, want, actually go to the top. And, but I did the race that was built in front of me that about a thousand or more people had done. And. And I, you know, and I was happy with my time and, and happy that I finished it. It was almost a, let the let down, which I've read about this, you know, like that post marathon post.

Oh man. It's a, it's a real thing. You know, you have this big date on the calendar. Yeah. And then now the calendar is empty now. It's that? You know? So I was basically, I was like, what next? Yeah. But I did that, you know? Right. I did that. Um, I had, I was not miserable. I didn't need help. I didn't hurt myself. I felt good.

I mean, my lungs, right. It was a, it was a story about lungs. It wasn't like, oh, was it? Yeah, it was, oh my knee or, oh my toe or no, there was no physical pain. There wasn't any, you know, anything wrong with my legs or anything like that. , it was just, yeah. How much lactic acid oxygen you process, how your lungs, it was just, that was it.

Which was, you know, it was fun. Well, I, you know, and to push yourself and you walk and then you run and then you walk and then you run. And each time I ran, it was a little harder and a little, you know, and I stop and I'm like, oh, I feel kind of sick to my stomach, you know? Yeah. Like you, I knew I was pushing the boundaries.

I was knocking on that door and I, you know, and then I did it and I was able to find enough. Run finish while running the last, whatever it was, couple hundred yards. Yeah. Um, and that felt awesome. Good feeling you, you know, so yeah. I've got the, I did, I did the race that was put in front of me and, you know, I wanna do something that, you know, I wanna do something more.

I want, do you want go back next to you? Yeah, I do too. Yeah. I, I feel like, yeah, it was it's in some ways, I'm it, this is happening this way for a reason, you know, I'm like,  I, I wasn't ready. I knew I wasn't ready. I was gonna go for it. I wanted the big challenge. I wanted the disappointment of failing to be the motivation for doing it next year.

I, I got disappointment in another way, but I, uh, I'm like, yeah. How do I, I emailed the organizers, you know, like, oh, you know, I have funeral. I won't be able to make it hope I can get in next year. Like throw me another one of these, uh, charities. It's a whole thing. Like that is a very, as you know, it's very difficult to get in the fact that that we could get in.

And I would, was quick to tell anybody that's asked me about this race. I would put my fingers up for the air quotes. My friend got us into this race. Yeah. You know, like, as I. Holy you up there. Was it kinda like how does someone as outta shape as you get in this race, did you even know about this? Why are you wearing dad sandals?

Yeah. No, just anytime I talk to anybody about it, like what you're running, what, um, where were you on the course when the first downhill runner pass? Oh, So the win. So I, um, this old Carcas of a body crossed at 55 minutes, the winner crossed at 27 minutes. Yeah. And fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. And you could a hundred percent beat that guy in a fight.

Let's just get that on the table. Okay. Uh, so I don't know when I started to see. People come because there's only way only one way down. And so you do start to see folks turning around. I mean, I don't know. It could have been like three miles or two miles. I don't know. Yeah. When you started to see, and some of those guys assholes were running down, they weren't just strolling down and power bar singlets and their shorts and all that.

A lot of, yeah. A lot of them would shorts and yeah. Tank tops and, and cruising down. And that's a little, yeah. That's yeah. I didn't expect to beat them, but I was more just looking around in my, my cohort of people and that's who I was focused on. You know, then you've got, you're doing it right. And like any other race.

All of a sudden someone who's clearly 30 years older than me. Yeah. Like passes me, you know, like was the hundred year old guy there or whatever. Was there a talk of him? I didn't, I don't know. Okay. I didn't see him. I didn't him. So there was a guy who I think he, he ran when he was 99. He'd ran a bunch of times and then COVID hit and I don't, he would probably be a hundred, two or three now.

I don't know if he's still alive or running or whatever, but, uh, I feel like. I haven't heard that he is died. I guess I could Google it, but yeah. Yeah. You know that guy, he, he strolls up and that's the thing. You can just walk up you. That was always the thing up this race, or walk up this mountain and that's, you know, it's, it's a, it's a steep way to do.

It'd be a hell of a lot easier to take the trail, I think, than to walk up. I I'd imagine the trail, a hiking trail is gradual, right. And this fucking road is steep. And so it's something to be said. You know, walking your ass up there says the guy who couldn't couldn't run it. And clearly the people who won, ran there's a YouTube video out there.

Um, that someone sent me and, and someone just sat at, you know, whatever it was mile two or three with just a, a video camera on. And, and yeah, these guys running the whole way up psych best.

So then just a couple other things I was thinking about. I was looking down at my notes, a great t-shirt right. So I'm I'm walking. Did you try to get my t-shirt or anything like that? No, you can't. They owe the running thing. No, I believe it. Yeah. Yeah. They there's something in the email that they sent that.

Absolutely. No one can get your, okay. Race, Jersey number, anything, and you have to tell 'em your number, show, 'em your ID. And then they give it to you. And that's funny. So I, you know, there's all.  fit people at this race. Right. Right. And I, you know, I'm like always flirting with 200 pounds.  like, I'm just, that's, I'm just 200 pound guy.

I can't, I can't shake it. And, and this woman, you know, I hear her telling people and then tells me, uh, we're all outta mediums. All we have is large and I'm like, Just gimme the large, like extra large, it probably fit. Okay too. But yeah, all these little slight guys, you know, and gals and their mediums and smalls or whatever, but did the large fit.

I feel like sometimes those race sizing is like, this is an extra medium right here. It, it, it looks, I didn't put it on. I mean, I had my own super cool gear, so I didn't put it on. I didn't even find it this morning. Uh, my kids stole everything. Uh, they stole the metal and then, um, when you cross, so this case, when you.

The finish line. You get shit. Right. Okay. I love this part. Jody loves to do the thing where he is just pull shit out of bang, right seats. So now he's pulling out, I already showed you my all right. What are you pulling out? Big metal. But then I don't know if it's famous in this race, but when you cross the finish line, they give you a blanket.

Oh, right. Yeah. I didn't get no blanket at the top. Right. Because, because you're going back down to get my medal. I had to actually get to the bottom. So you get to the bottom and there's no finish line at the bottom, but I was sure when I got to the bottom to do the whole like, chest out, like I was trying to like beat out, break the tape.

Yeah. Yeah. Break the tape with any other walkers that were near me. Like I'm putting out my hands, this up, did this whole dramatic, uh, finish where it was not a finish. Get your medal and then you get a blanket. So this is like a big gold fleece blanket that that's nice. Uh, my eight year old. Claimed. So this is his, oh, that's good.

He doesn't know. I snuck it out of the house. So I get the blanket, uh, got the sh the large shirt and the mouth. See, now I want that blanket. Like, I'm mad that I don't have that blanket.  I paid for the blanket. I ain't got the blanket. I didn't earn the blanket. You know, I, I only did half of what you need paid the money.

Yeah. You pay the man next year, man. And it'll be at the top, but, uh, so I'm going, going down, back down the hill and, um, and I'm watching people, you know, come up and I, you know, giving them encouragement and all that. Like it's a real fucking long way. Yeah. It's really windy up there. No, I wasn't saying much, but I see this guy's shirt and it's perfect.

It said, and maybe you've seen, it said Hills hurt. Couches kill. Ooh, isn't that good? I love a good t-shirt saying good. T-shirt yeah, it was perfect. Perfect. For that. I saw t-shirt the, of the day it said, uh, What's that saying live, laugh, love, whatever it is. Yeah. You know, like that crap that people put on the wall in their kitchen, but it said underneath it's said live, laugh, love.

And underneath it said in this economy, like question  impossible, but, uh, no, it was, uh, it, there wasn't a lot of chatter on the, on the way up. Like everybody I think is, is getting in their zone. Okay. And, and I was doing that for a while. And then, and I just started cracking jokes to anybody who, oh man, who would hear me like anything that would, and on your, um, alright.

Do another piece of another prop. So they give you your, you know, your race. Number your okay. Piece of paper and it has the, the tag on the back, you know, that, that triggers the, your time and has your number on there and your name on there and, and it, and, uh, you pin it to your clothes. That was another thing trying to figure out where to pin this thing.

Um, you are such a newbie, huh? Like  like where it is, why I do this diaper safety fans. Those are huge safety pits. You gotta pin it on my nice jacket. Ah, but then, um, this has some ripoff tags and there's one for your Turkey? Sand. Yeah. What was that about? Right. It was like, you know, I'm gonna get a Turkey dinner.

Like we even were wondering, like Katie was asking me, like, were you gonna like sit down and yeah. Have a Turkey. And I'm like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. And of course all of this, it's not on the list of things I'm craving after a big, uh, endeavor. No, like Thanksgiving. That's what I want right now.

Yeah. And it turned out, I wanna talk about coach kills, brother. That's where you're gonna be the rest of the night. I mean, I, so I didn't, I wasn't worried about my calorie intake that day, right? Yeah. So I'm like, I'm, I'll, I'll look into this, but all it was was a Turkey sandwich, but it was like, um, Like the Turkey sandwich with stuffing cranberry sauce.

Okay. You know that one of those Thanksgiving and a, and a sandwiched meals, but I started offering people, my tag, cuz it's a tag, not anybody, not just anybody. You have a tag, a single tag, one Turkey sandwich per runner. Okay. And I started offering my Turkey voucher for anybody who would carry me the rest of the way.

Oh, okay. Didn't have any takers. Um, and I just, yeah, I started like this old guy passed me and I, and I, and this woman was next to me and I said, I've got a 25 pound ketlebell in this bag.  that I'm running up this hill. And she, she thought that was funny. Um, but yeah, I just started again, it was, it was fun.

It was fun to be in that environment. And uh, Races are fun. Yeah. It's nice to have the goal. And I mean, my thing, every time I've run, well, I've run three marathons not to break, but, uh, two of them were the Boston marathon. Both times I treated it like, you know, I did all the work now I'm riding in the parade, you know, like I'm having fun.

I'm gonna talk to people. I'm gonna high five, every kid I'm gonna kiss all the girls in Wellesley. Uh, did you know that part? I did know that. Okay. So, uh, I've heard about that. Yeah. Get a hall pass, uh, make out with a bunch of coeds. Um, but the, when I ran the Chicago marathon, I, I wasn't there for the parade.

I had it in my head. I had to break four hours Uhhuh and I was with my buddy and that was our goal. And like, that was, you know, , you're just like killing yourself. Yeah. Did you, did you, yeah, yeah, yeah. Barely. It was like 3 58 and change we right. Four hours. Yeah. That's um, yeah, it's nine minute miles, so yeah.

Yeah. Nice. Yeah. It's like nice. But, uh, Qual for my age, your age, to qualify for the Boston marathon. I think you need to average seven minute miles in a marathon to the, be a qualified runner. Yeah, I would say, and there's a charity runner. We can talk about this sometime, but there's a whole system to, there is a race circuit that's associated with this Mount Washington race.

Really. Someone sent me a link on it. If you complete this packet of races, which are all like mountain races. Okay. You then, then you can get in. I think that's one way or you can qualify. Okay. Like you can actually be like one of these elite runners that qualify for, for this Mount Washington race. Okay.

There's then there's just a shit ass look of throwing your hat in and seeing if you, you know, get in. But then there is this package that we, it would be of several races, several weekends, like a kind of a big deal that probably try and get all these and something to that. Doesn't that I like. Cause he'd also be forced.

Be in better shape to do it. Yeah. And earn it. I mean, that's the thing. We kinda like, I ran Boston marathon maybe like nine months after I started running mm-hmm  and for people it's like a lifetime dream, you know? And I just happen to know a guy who was, you know, got me bad. I got a little bit in shape, ran with the charity runners.

But you know, in some ways what's special about these things is like they are, uh, long term achievements. Yeah. You know, they are the victory lab for a lot of hard work, you know, I'd say too on this and kind of, kind of put a bow on it for myself is that, um, I have not been running that long. Right. I thought I would never run again.

Here I am at this age, blah, blah, blah. And we've talked about some of this, but I ran this race in a way, the way I started running in January, which means I ran. And then I walked, okay. I ran and then I walked and that's okay. Yeah. Right. Because it fucking hurts when you start doing it. It's oh man. It's, it's not easy.

It's not easy to jump off the couch and start using these muscles and thinking about your form and all that stuff. But in this period of time, you know, I just kept going at it. And I started doing, you know, progressively longer runs and a lot less walking and tweaks to my form and, and all these little tiny things.

And again, you know, here I am on this huge mountain and four miles up and God, that sounds crazy. But I beat it just like I beat the breaking into running again. There you go. Walking and running. Yeah, bitch. So get, get up and do it, you know, it can, it can be done. So that, what is that? The journey of, uh, Whatever starts with a single step that if that's it, a thousand miles starts with a single step next year, we'll plan a flag at that summit.

Uh, certainly, uh, okay. Moving on to less important, but more prophetic topics. I have a phrase we're gonna make this happen. Not, not we're short on time, but next year when we figure out our social media  we are going to. The hashtag shirtless solstice. Okay. Shirtless solstice tomorrow is a solstice and I am planning to go shirtless.

You're doing it the whole way. You're doing it. I gotta get a haircut at, at like nine. And then what else? I have to do something else. That's, uh, wax your chest, Dory, you know, like, uh, it's gonna be a little weird. I, I, I guarantee you, my barber wouldn't give a shit if I came in with no shirt on. Yeah. He'd think, he'd think it was funny.

I don't think I'm gonna do that, but I've met you in past years. I've spent every minute of sunshine outside on the, uh, solstice, who knows if it'll actually be sunny, but the, uh, I'm all in on shirtless solstice. So you hashtag shirtless solstice. I might part of that to get my haircut, but I'm, I'm, I'm waking up shirtless.

I'm going to bed shirtless. I am going to let all that vitamin D goodness. Get in. Nice. Get in, uh, Get into my soul. So I just reread this article. Uh, and what is it called? I have it pulled up here. It's called, is sunshine. The new merger it's from outside magazine in 2019. And it is a fascinating story basically.

Well, here's the subset, current subset, current guidelines for sun exposure are unhealthy and unscientific, controversial, new reset research suggests and quite possibly even racist. What, how did we get it so wrong? The racist part is, yeah, just like not acknowledging that, uh, people with lots of melanin in their skin, you know, like are, are already protected from the sun and yeah, so here's, what's interesting.

Uh, we thought. Benefit of sunshine was vitamin D. Yeah. Like that was the, the appeal of it. And according to this article, they're finding that the vitamin D supplements do nothing. Oh, so they, they think it's not here. Here's the quote, these rebels, these are the researchers argue that what made the people with high vitamin D levels so healthy was not the vitamin itself.

That was just a marker. Their vitamin D levels were high because they were getting plenty of exposure to the thing that was really responsible for their good health, that big orange ball shining down from above. So it's, it's an interesting concept. Like, so we know people with high vitamin D levels are healthier.

This has been proven dramatically during COVID right. They, the people with high vitamin D levels are responding so much better than COVID. Almost everyone. It's something staggering. Like everyone that gets in real trouble or dies with COVID has very low vitamin D levels. But the vitamin D level they're arguing is just an indication of living a healthier outdoor life.

Yeah. You know, in that it triggers all these other things. Here's another quote. Sounds like the floor demand would have a lot of vitamin D. Exactly but Florida, man. That's why Florida state opened during COBA. You kidding me? You can't kill these guys. We've tried, you know, you sniffle that's it. Homo sapiens have been around for 200,000 years until the industrial revolution we lived outside.

How did we get through the neolithic era without sunscreen actually perfectly well what's counterintuitive is that dermatologists run around saying, don't go outside. You might die. That brings up so many issues with, to do with, you know, everything we talk about on this, my it bring, but what brings it brings to mind immediately is my complaint about being the outdoors reporter for the Boston globe.

Is that, uh, The approach of like the globe has always been like the approach of an indoor person towards the outdoors. Like, don't go outside and they'll kill you. Like we, before I took on the outdoors as a proper beat, I mean, my complaint was we only go to Mount Washington when someone dies. Right. Like we just, we are the coverage point, the jumping off point is like, that's dangerous.

You know? Like, look, someone's drown, that's dangerous. Right. You know, like all true, all sad of course. Right. But, uh, don't go outside. You might die. That's the, the indoor person perspective. It's like go outside and you might live Jody, you might live there's a app mentioned in the. Article called the D mind app, D M I N D E R.

And what it does, I installed it on my phone. It just like sends a little notifications that like the sun is at the right height now for you to begin being able to absorb vitamin D. Okay. And it tells you how long your window is, how strong the sun is that day and how long you need to spend outside to get like the proper dosage of vitamin D.

It's very motivating. Nothing goes off and I'm like, oh, lemme go outside and start. Suning my balls on the, on the back porch. You know, you only as directed. I mean, so D mind app is to pull out D's nuts, uh, is, is, but, uh, yeah, so that's, what's going on, uh, shirtless solstice, hashtag shirtless solstice. If we ever get our social media in gear, I went to dinner the other night with our friend, Jill, who works on social media.

And the one takeaway was like, oh, you have to pay to get access to anything on social media nowadays. Like you need an advertising budget to get your Instagram in front of people. Yeah. The idea that an organic following is going to happen is just, it it's it's, it's a fallacy. Apparently mm-hmm  like everyone we think is organic is not organic.

They're they're paying to boost or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and Instagram won't. Put your shit in front of people, unless you give them some money. You know? I mean, it's why these companies are worth billions of dollars. We tell our followers to keep following and pass it on. And if you're a listener, but not a follower, check it out.

Well, it'll be a motivator to keep posting anyway. But I mean, that's the that's, that's organic, right? That's not, yeah. We're not paying anything. We're just hoping. And our listeners, by the way, they're sending you photos of them sending their balls, uh, whiffle ball bats and Sarah swift. My, my dance teacher apparently is listening to the podcast, which she's now heard us.

If she's been listening all along, heard me mention 84 times that I needed Jody to dance class. Mm-hmm  and it never happened, but she listened to the. It must have been that short one about the greasy pole, where I, I ambushed you on the phone to tell you, walk in the greasy pole and that we should go to dance class.

And she was like, I hope you're talking about me, bring him in. I can help him with this footwork. All right. So today's Monday you walk on Sunday, Uhhuh. We gotta go to dance before that earlier, the better, if you really are gonna learn something and then work on it. But I think she's, she's, she's ready to help.

And she's just awesome. She's the perfect person for this job. So, uh, let's go, let's work on, look that footwork let's, let's do it. Uh, Jody, in addition to, uh, Suming my balls in my whole body on the solstice, I'm going to set intentions, you know, I love to do these things, resolutions. Uh, here are my intentions for the summer.

I, I want to be, uh, I wanna be, I wanna do some sort of, uh, physical activity twice per day. Oh, you know, just set that as a goal. Mm-hmm  the, the big goal is to do an evening activity. Because I, I feel like that's a killer. If I don't have anything to do, then I sit on the couch and I end up like, oh yes, you do drinking a beer.

You need a distraction eating some my kid's snacks. I, I actually had a great activity land in my lap the other day. So before I went to, uh, I was meeting our friend, Jill to talk social media, we were going to dinner. I had like an hour to kill beforehand. And to my credit, I was like, oh, I'm just gonna go walk on good Harbor beach.

Mm-hmm  just gonna go for a stroll park. The car went for a stroll come around the corner. And I see the surfers I know are setting up, uh, what, what looks like a Badman internet kinda, you know? And, and I, I, I, I stop and chat and next thing I'm invited to play, not badminton, beach tennis. Okay. So it's, uh, kind of like badminton in the, the, the net is roughly that badminton height and you are using paddles to hit a tennis ball, but not a tennis ball.

Like it's, it looks like a tennis ball, but it's really squishy. I think it's like a kid's, uh, learning ball type thing. And you have these tennis rackets that are kind of like a tennis racket in a pickleball paddle married together. Okay. And you, you're trying to just hit it over the net. You don't like pass it back and forth to each other, like volleyball.

You just, you just hit it back, you know? Yeah. And, uh, oh my gosh, shit. I enjoy this sport  oh my like, because you you're, I, I think it also was helped by the fact that I had just seen the new top gun , which again has a like sweaty beach diving in the sand scene instead of, uh, beach of volleyball. They're playing football.

Okay. In this case, I am going to, uh, do that, but play. Beach tennis beach tennis. And they play every Tuesday night and immediately the woman who, who, uh, you know, kind of runs the shows is like, texting me. Like, can you come this Tuesday day? I'm like, I am coming every Tuesday. So that's good. So two times a day activity, sunshine.

I want as much sunshine as I can get. I wanna look like a, a store bought brownie by the time the summer is over. And I wanna go in the ocean once a day. I'm gonna try and set that as an intention. Uh, and then, uh, dance. I wanna like, not just dance. I wanna think of it as movement. What I like about Sarah who owns magma motion, arts, cluster math.

I think it is what magma meets my dance teacher is that she treats it as movement. And there are many different things offered there that are, uh, on the fringes of dance, lots of martial arts type things. And, and I've been. Like, that's what I'm interested in just using my body in new ways. Like, I'm never gonna learn the TikTok tan.

I'm never gonna be any good, like rhythm or whatever, but things like, like Capra, they offer that. Do you know what that is? Uhuh, I'm gonna butcher cuz what's I'm actually gonna Google it. It's it's got this incredible, uh, like backstory of where it comes from. I have no internet, of course. So basically  let me try and summarize.

It was, I believe developed by slaves.  in Brazil, I think. And what they would do is they were practice fighting, but they would disguise it, this dance. Oh, I have, I've seen that. Yes. They would practice overthrowing their asshole keepers and they would disguise it as a, a dance, uh, ritual. So I like that.

There's a few things and it very much is it feels like animal movements. Mm-hmm , you know, uh, there there's these other things like gymnastica natural. I've been following that on Instagram for a while. That's a, like, almost like a, a. Gorilla dance type movement, you know, like that. What do you mean by that picture?

Like a gorilla break dancing. Okay. Like, you know, really like using your body in that way and legs kick out and, you know, whatever. Um, not the legs spinning yours and yeah. Kinda, you know, you're, you're moving your legs in and out. You're you're, you're moving like you're, you're using a human more like a gorilla Uhhuh  and there's another one called animal flow that I just discovered that seems very similar to gymnastic and natural.

And again, like. Not only is it beautiful to watch, but the people that practice it have the perfect animal bodies, you know, like they're trim and lean and strong where it makes sense to be strong. You know, they're muscular where, where muscles are functional Uhhuh  and not aesthetic, you know, just gorgeous human beings.

So I am going to Sarah. If you're listening to this one, I'll bring Jody for footwork two. I'll bring Jody to just, uh, you're getting a little weird at 10:00 AM on a Friday class, which I love, but I am going to take advantage of these other, uh, movement classes. That's gonna be my summer thing. I, I want to move my body like a gorilla break dancing.

That's I can't get the image outta my head. And then picturing you do it. These, I mean, this is, you know, when we, we talk about our fundamental evolved human abilities, our, our, the list, as we say, I mean, dance is on there, but it's really about like, I think I've quoted this guy. I was on this podcast about CS Lewis, long story, but dance came up and he, I was saying I was taking dance classes.

He was saying he had started it as well. And his quote was, I didn't know what my body was for until I started taking dance classes. Yeah. And that's what it feels like. So, uh, I want to know what my body's for, and I want that my body to be shaped like its goal is to do that. Mm-hmm  that? That's what it's.

that's what the, my genes are expressing themselves properly. I'm gonna get to, I get, I get a lot on that stuff too, but  very quickly back to the list of the fundamental evolved human abilities movements. I forget what we're even calling it now. Uh, one, I've spent a lot of time kicking lately. I'm convinced.

Kicking is a, a fundamental human, a ability. What are you kicking soccer ball. So my youngest son's gotten Wayne into soccer for father's day. He got me a soccer ball. Okay. Quotes it, it was a gift. I kind of asked for it cuz he, they used like smaller kids balls and I was like, I want a proper adult ball so I can actually get my foot under it and let a fly.

So we went to Dick's and I got a nice ball and. We've been playing with it. Mm-hmm , it's been fun and kicking is so fun. It's so fun that I then start thinking dumb things like, oh, I should, I should join a men's soccer league. Or something's like, I don't want, I don't wanna run around and be bad and have no skill.

Like, uh, these people know what they're doing. I just want to kick  like, I just want to kick hard. I've thought about that. That was my sport growing up with soccer, soccer, and I, you know, got away from it, like a lot of other, really highly physical activities, but I I've thought about, you know, getting one of these old men's leagues and yeah, Kevin still plays he's he's never stopped playing.

He has played soccer all long he's, you know, had all the injuries and surgeries and all that, but it, uh, he's into it. Uh, another thing on the fundamental evolved human abilities. We last time, I believe we had added rituals and rights. Okay. I wanna add to that hazing  I just think that that's a fundamental, like, you know, uh, however you wanna define that.

Like, I mean, they do it in fraternities, in the military, in prisons. It's a male.  right. This is mytho. This is Mythopoeic though. Yeah. This is the ritual, the initiation, the coming of age. Yeah. I mean, I think love it. That what happens in a fraternity is like a dumb down version of it for the most part. But Hey, now , uh, drink 50 beers, you know, da like when it gets really silly, but, but it brings, I mean, what I've heard, I wasn't in a fraternity that wasn't part of where I went to school and it's easy to kind of look down on everybody, you know, just make that generalization and say, oh, that's, we're familiar with being looked at.

Yeah, I'm a FRA boy. We, we, we, we, we can see the jealousy. The explanation I got from someone who had gone through it was how, not the explanation, but the rationale or why he was defending it is he got super tight. With the crew of people, the freshman, sophomore, whatever who had, who he had to go through that, all this stupid shit, clean my car, all these dumb things that he told me about that he had to do, but he, it made him and he got super tight.

Oh, you get super tight with them. And you, that makes sense unite against the people who are putting you through it. I mean, I still AMM on a text chain with all the guys I went to, uh, pledge your pledge, right? Yeah. Pledge brothers. Uh, the guys I was hazed with in 1995, Uhhuh, you know, were, what are we, 30 years later?

I don't can't even do the math anymore. But, uh, 20 something years later, uh, yeah, we, we chat yesterday was like a happy father's day doing that thing. Uh, but you know what I was thinking of in hazing, the funniest hazing thing I know of that I've ever been involved in. So my senior in college, in new Orleans, I worked at this place, the Crescent city brewhouse.

It was like a huge restaurant. And I was a food runner, and that was kind of a funny job. Like you, you had these huge trays of food that you had to run out and deliver, you know, the waiters would take the orders or whatever, but you had to maneuver through this packed bar brewery, you know, and their specialty where these big things like Booie based, you know what that is.

It's like a big bowl of broth with like shrimp and lobsters sticking out of it. So you'd be carrying this tray with like six scalding, hot things of buoy base. Speaking of top gun, I, I, uh, I used to work with this guy and we just communicated in top gun lines, cuz it felt like you were going out on these like strike missions.

Like the chef would hand you this thing and be like, go and you just had to like fight your way to a huge crowd carrying this steaming hot thing, worth hundreds of dollars and don't drop it. But. They, the new Orleans restaurant world has this hilarious, uh, right of passage, this hazing thing they do, which I found out about cuz they tried to do it to me.

So I'm like new in the restaurant, you know, they knew I'm new working in new Orleans restaurant. So I'm in the kitchen one day in the chef. Um, you know, it's kinda like a slow day and the chef looks at me and goes, Hey, uh, we're doing a, a special, uh, um, whatever. We're, we're making a special dis we need the bacon stretcher, which we loan to.

I forget what he said. Commander's palace. I need you to go get the bacon stretcher at commander's house. And I'm like, Oh, I'll go get the BA bacon stretcher commander's palace , which is like a fancy restaurant. And I'm, uh, I was kind of excited to go to commander's palace. I was like, oh, I'm gonna get to go on the back door and all this.

And, um,

I don't know what it was. Someone must have tipped me or so, and because I'm walking out the door and I'm like, and, and the it's on Decatur street, like this huge, uh, tourist drag in new Orleans. And there's like big, huge open doors in the front. And I'm about to walk out like into the sunlight and just something in me was like, Are they fucking with me and I just turned and you know, that moment where all of a sudden, everyone clear everyone's watching me and they all just go diving behind the bar, cleaning that.

And I'm like, they're fucking with me. I go back in and I'm like, this, I'm not, you're fucking with me. You know, you like, no, no. And then they kind of broke down. Right? And then I worked there and the time I worked there, I watched people fall for this thing. One guy for hours. So , he went to like commander's palace or wherever they sent him, shows up, says, I'm here.

The other one they send you looking for is a raisin peeler. It's a bacon stretcher, the raisin peel. These are these two fictional devices. Right?  and this one guy though, he went to whatever restaurant and they're like, oh no, we loaned that to planet Hollywood. All right. Goes to put in every, I mean, you don't even need to tell em, they're coming to the second they walk in like, oh, he's here for the bacon stretcher.

They're like, oh man, what a funny Rite of passage. Cuz it's they're perfect terms. Right. Especially in new Orleans cuisine, they get all sorts of crazy shit. Sure. Is there something called the bacon stretcher? I believe it  or a raisin peeler, you know? So, uh, I love that stuff. Uh, and anything to do with top gun?

Just back to top gun for one more second, I, I gotta see this movie. So I took my 12 year old and his friend, they spent the whole ride there making boomer jokes. Oh, dragon us' boomer movies. The movie ended first. All it was at the Gloucester theater, like two, three weeks after it opened, packed, still ovation at the end of the movie, everyone clapped like, like a plane landed in bad weather.

Right? Ovation. And I'll ride back with these two 12 year olds. Thank you so much, Drake. That was Charlie. My son was like, that was a five star movie  and then I went, uh, I was at, uh, I chap owned, uh, Jake's field trip. The other day. One of his friends had seen it. He was like, this is my favorite movie ever, like a nine year old was saying I was like, it was awesome.

Was it, was it? It was awesome. Really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And it's, it was awesome. It's holding up in the reviews too. Yeah, it's like across the board, if, I mean.  are you go, are you gonna get citizen Kane or something in there? No. Are you gonna get an action packed thrill ride? Like they were in on the jokes at some point.

I mean, miles teller is there's like, so miles teller. Do you know who he is? Uhuh. He's got it. Whatever it is. That movie star thing. He's got it. He's playing the like young version of Tom cruise, essentially. He's playing Goose's kid, you know? Um, okay. Goose. Who do you remember? Cruz? I mean, Cruz died, you know, to Tom cruise is kind of, oh, he died in the movie.

Okay. All, yeah. And now Goose's son is like a pilot and then there's another like bad guy, like the Iceman sort of character. Okay. It's so good.  but I, I am like still. Charge up to the point where I'm thinking of growing a mustache.  I want like a military pilot, mustache. Uh, I wanna be cartoon pilot handsome.

Oh my gosh. Uh, so yeah, that's what's going on? Uh, you and Dave ne Castro. Oh, speaking of, uh, field trips. I've Chapo two field trips this past week. Yeah. I went to Woodman's our famous seafood place, uh, with my youngest son day before I went, I was a chaperone to canopy lake park. Mm-hmm  with the seventh grade or from, uh, my son's middle school.

Here's what was disastrous about that day. Other than me thinking that chaperoning am middle school field trip to an amusement park was going to be entertaining in anyway one the night before I was informed by my son that, yeah, we're just gonna ditch you.  like, oh, okay. So I'm gonna be at an amusement park alone for the day.

yeah, they said we don't need to stay with our, whatever, as long as we can text you, like, okay. Okay.

Two. It was, I guess it was like two or three days a year where the park opens at 9:00 AM for school groups. There were 70 other middle schools at this like 70 so stupid. It was so we got, we like the got there, go right. Get line for, uh, rollercoaster. After an hour, the line had barely moved cuz uh, middle schoolers are all cutting and doing all this stuff.

This one mom like this total, Karen was losing her mind. I don't even know what happened. I'm like one of the kids I was with was like, yeah, we just have to go down here and then loop around. And I was like, no, no. Then you just continue looping. And apparently I didn't even know this was going on. I was by saying that this woman thought I was commenting on her.

What she was doing was she was UNC clipping. One of those medical chains, you know, that make the snake line and was pushing her whole party through to the front of the line. And. And she, when she heard me say that she goes, we've been waiting more than an hour. And so many people are cutting where, where, where, and I was like, so you are cutting to solve the cutting.

Yeah. And she's like, yeah, I don't care. And it was like that, but she said that out loud and I mean, an hour's worth of line is looking at her going, wait, you're now cutting us. Yeah. Ahead. And it was like the best of humanity. So we, we got line the kids to their credit. I was like, guys, I'm losing my mind.

So cuz I hadn't let them ditch me yet. I was like, oh, I'm coming with you.  I was like, I'm outta here. And I would suggest you guys get out too. Just go on the smaller rides cuz otherwise you're day. We had like three hours total, and then they had to go right back to school. Right. Like, and shoot me. Yeah.

They, most of the kids hung around like the arcade and like just floated and did kid stuff. Like they couldn't, it was unusable cuz there were four, three or four roller coasters. And so all the middle schoolers were in line for the roller coasters. Right. There's no little kids there cuz it's early in the morning.

Like so the, the normal rides they would be on are just empty. They're not even using them. Everyone's aligned for these three or four roller coasters. They didn't go on any, get on the TEAC cups. Yeah. So that was uh, fun also, uh, canopy lake, which is kind of an iconic new England, uh, ju in Southern New Hampshire, very close to Boston.

Uh, I, I was. Surprise to learn is an actual lake. I don't know why I thought like canopy lake wasn't a lake. Uh, but they had a, like a boat cruise, like a pontoon boat that just went around the lake. I mean, it's just a normal lake houses on it.  and I was like, I went on that with my friend, Theresa were like, just get us out of this park.

It was all adults. It was like 60 adults on this cruise. Right. And everyone was the same way where we're like, I just gotta get away from all those kids right now. Yeah. We are technically the chaperones right now and we are on a boat.  30 minutes away. So take the hell outta here. Yeah, that was fun. Oh man.

Uh, anyway, Hey, I, uh, I get a question. You might know the answer to. Uh, so I was fishing the other day at plum island with my buddy, Tom and the stars were coming out. It was the, uh, full moon, the strawberry moon. Okay. So we were there when it rose, it was really nice. Cause God knows we didn't catch. Oh, it was magical, but we were not catching fishing.

Fuck fishing. By the way, I literally have that. My notes, fuck fishing. You're done again. Spear fishing is the only honest form of fishing. We're at plum island, which is 11 miles long. I'm standing that door when lores out in the ocean. It's like, well, how do we, how do we know where the fish are on this 11 mile stretch of sand?

You don't, I mean, you don't, I mean, we were smart. We were playing the sand bars and you know, doing everything right. Nothing, nothing. Uh, it's nice. But it's the whole moon in ju the June moon, the best night of fishing of the, like the, the, the whole thing, right? Like the most famous fishing night of the year or new England.

Nothing. Nothing. It sucks. Fuck fishing. But Tom was asking me, uh, I've talked in the past about wanting to learn celestial navigation have done nothing towards that, but, uh, definitely want to, yeah, it's been mentioned, uh . He was asking if, if it's POS, if you really knew the stars were really well, would you be able to know the date?

Oh, the date? Yeah. I said, no, you might be able to know it's the solstice or it's the full moon nearest the solstice, or, you know, but like you should, yeah. You should know. Maybe like how, if it was on the solstice, you could go. Yeah. It's June 21st. Like if you could, you know, I don't know. I don't know this.

Could, you know the date? You should. I bet you, I bet you, you could. That's a question for our listeners seasonal. There's a seasonal, right. There's certain constellations that are visible, right. Um, certain times a year. I mean, if you re maybe yeah, interesting. Uh, so fuck fishing. That's in my notes. Sorry, Tom.

But, but, uh, you know, it's write that down. I'm trying to get good at it. So, uh, our last episode, we talked about food a lot and I've since, uh, my wife and I are, are starting today, basically gonna do a thing. We don't know what the thing really is to define other than not that ENMA thing that you were talking.

No, no, that, that, uh, that was a romantic time. That was no, we're gonna do like a, uh, Almost like the two weeks of like no carbs, no drinking, you know, kind of just clean out the system. I feel like I need a big kickstart. Yeah. And so yesterday was father's day and it was a shitty day and I just sat my why was shitty just day.

It was just like 40 and rain. Yeah. Um, but the, I sat on my couch reading this mark Sisen book. I love mark Sisen he's the like primal foods, primal diet guy. And then I, I was also reading the carnivore code, which is by this guy, Paul, Saldino better known as carnivore MD on the internet, who I'm very mixed feelings about he's compelling.

I watch all his content and I'm just not sure if I. Think he's radically onto something or he is selling me on something. I cannot tell mark. I just he's no, like no vegetables. That's his thing. That's his radical thing. Vegetables are a survival food. Like you, if you want to thrive, you eat. Uh, and you, you have an animal based diet and the other things you eat are fruit and honey.

Okay. Essentially. Okay. And yeah, vegetables are just filled with and toxins that are, you know, designed to keep you for eating things. Yeah. So how do you hold that with Michael? Paul's eat food. I don't, that's the thing. And then I'm reading mark. Sisen that's a different approach, right? Everyone's mark Sisen is mark.

Sisen wrote the, uh, forward to the book, the carnivore code by this guy. So mark Sisen and in it though, mark, this is what I write about mark Sisen he's like, these are radical ideas, but I think there might be something here. He's not like a, you know, okay, this is, this is the way. Yeah, because he evolves.

Like he, you know, I mean, here's new research to do things, but in general, his big three things are.  cutting out grain sugars and, uh, um, industrial oils, like vegetable oils. Those are big. And it's like, I think those are at this point inarguable, right? Yeah. Yeah. The carnivore MD GU and vegetables. Right.

Which, I mean, there are a lot of indoct nations that we need to unlearn to live a healthy life or live a, a primal life or whatever, not eating vegetables, man. Like, yeah. I want, I want to think he's right. You know? Yeah. Cause I, when I eat vegetables, I feel nothing. I feel. Yeah. I shouldn't say that some of them are tasty.

Some of them are whatever, but like, we need to salad it. I I've made the joke a million times or easily you lose weight when you're eating a salad, just cause it's so boring. You only eat half of it. Right. You're just like, this is, oh fine. I'll save this so later, which is a nice way of saying I'll let this rot in the fridge, right.

That be nasty tomorrow. Oh, I'll slimy in my, you know. Yeah. But, uh, but I wanna read some, I have some quotes from these two books. Both of them I think are very, uh, I wrote, I, I wrote them down cuz they were, uh, emblematic of this larger journey we, we are on and these are, uh, about food, but about everything.

Here's mark C uh, today breaking scientific developments in epigenetics and evolutionary biology validate a simple premise. The secret to lifelong health and peak performance is in modeling the lifestyle behaviors of our hunter gatherer ancestors. This we agree with. All right. Uh, But here's what I, I like this promotes optimal gene expression to think of it that way is what's interesting.

This promotes optimal gene expression, counteracts so many health compromising forces of fast-paced fast food, modern life. So that, that, that idea though, like what are we trying to do here? We're trying to do optimal gene expression. I've used the phrase many times that do, anytime we do anything on our list or whatever, I feel more comfortable in my own skin.

Mm-hmm  I think it feels like I'm using the build for what it was built for. Right? It's it's optimal abilities when it's suboptimal is when all these things creep in that are, you know, loneliness, anxiety, like all this other stuff. Like I am doing things that feel wrong. Um, the carnivore code by Paul Saldino unlocking the secrets to optimal health by returning to our ancestral diet.

He here's some things he, he refers to what he's trying to do as to figure out the optimal diet riddle, which I think where I, I stop with him is that the idea optimal, you know, like it's like there, there is a, the, these are riles. Like I, I made a promise on a recent show that like, we're not gonna give you any answers.

We're gonna ask the right questions. We're not gonna claim we know the answers. So that's where I stop with him. He's cuz he's selling supplements. Right? He's selling this lifestyle plus supplements, which involve organ meats, which is his big thing in that none, no one really wants to eat. Right? Yeah. So like take it in a pill form.

Give him your money and , you're good, but this, so he, he calls the optimal diet riddle. There's a term for that. That's called ortho. REIA right. That's like a, a mental illness where you are obsessed with trying to eat perfectly. Right. Every gram and. It's unhealthy, mentally unhealthy, but, but he then has, uh, he then does, has this other phrase, where is it?

Um, the goal is to always solve for your highest quality of life. And so that using that approach, um,

the idea is that like, if you're at a birthday party, Eat the cake, cuz that's the best quality of life moment there is to, you know, participate. Yeah. You know, if you're, uh, whatever, if you're out with friends and you know, it, uh, it's too much drinking going on, like that's the optimal quality of life in that moment.

The, the key is to find this balance where you don't just do that all day every day. Right. Right. So, so I kind of agree with him. I mean, his thing in general, in this a phrase you hear all the time is, is to have an intentional way of eating. So I think that's what, when I say my wife and I are doing something for a couple weeks will gonna be intentional about what we do and hopefully kickstart some, uh, newer habits to get me back in my animal body.

And you're going cut carbs and processed food and sugars, the carbs grains sugars. Industrial seed oils. Those are the three. Yeah. I'm aim for, you know, more whole foods, which is the Michael poll approach. Right. Just, uh, more whole foods. Isn't it funny when I hear some of this stuff and I'm kind of listening and then thinking, and then listening to the next thing you were reading, um, maybe it's clear, but they're some of these folks sound like they're trying to sell emotional, happiness, emotional, happiness.

They are through telling you here's this diet and it's this for me, it's a disconnect. Um, I can eat kind of terribly, but it doesn't. I. I would gain weight. It's sort of a long term thing where I don't see the immediate impacts of at a salad and I feel emotionally happy, or I had, you know, this clean piece of protein and I feel emotionally happy.

Right. It's just like, if I weighed 230 pounds, I would probably, you know, if I, if I was felt like I was overweight, then I would be UN yeah. Unhappy, but it's just an interesting way. And I'm sure this is, you know, this is marketing, but this is maybe they, they think that there's a truth to it too. That what you put in your body is going to produce emotional happiness or mental wellbeing.

I think they're signed to it quickly. And, and I've talked about like, I've, I've been in those places before where it's like, just sun shiny, like health. Yeah. You know, and it's, it's inner and outer. Like it it's both. And I think they are linked, I think. Yeah. If you are. So right now, the, I mean, the reason I've been talking so much about this is I feel sluggish and inflamed and I'm waking up a little slow.

Okay. And, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm all this stuff, you know, that I'm, I believe food could solve that, you know? And it's weird. Like I'm back on this, like discipline equals, uh, freedom, right? Like if I could solve for that, then I'd be free of that. Then I could work on all these other things. And it's an such an easy thing to be free of fundamentally on that, on a simple level.

It's so easy to be free of. Yeah. We, I, I, I have my grocery bags with me. I'm going to market basket after this. I could go in there and buy proper foods, whole foods. I could eat those whole foods and I will be free of this, but yeah, yeah. You know, E easily said, right. And I think there's certainly, there's a feedback loop.

Like I. Feel shitty or I'm unhappy. Right. So I'm gonna eat shitty. And then, then just this, this cycle. And I mean, I'm guilty of thinking. I can eat my way out of unhealthiness. Like that's, if I do anything it's, um, you know, I, I indulged after this race cuz I felt like, fuck it. I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna eat a pile of French fries and have a burger.

Right. And I did, and I had a beer and blah, blah, blah. And then, so what's my, well, you know what, probably today I should have a couple of apples and, you know, dial it back and like I'm gonna clean my system, not through an enema, but through, you know, like healthy eating. But, but the mental stuff for me seems, seems separate.

Um, and that's just where I'm having the, like the that's good though. The connection, like I need to work, you know, you need to work on that and kind of work on your own, you know, emotional wellbeing and being present and yeah. You know, like that's this thing over here and then there's this other thing, like what I put in my body does matter.

Um, but it's not gonna fix. It's not the panacea for, you know, like mental wellbeing. It's just sort of like, wow, I don't want to. You know, I wanna be able to run. I don't wanna look, you know, I don't have a done lap. I don't, you know, right. Check, check, check, I get it. And I know that that's food and exercise, but it's sort of, and it's gonna lead to some, some happiness, but that's also like, it does not.

That's another piece that also needs work. Like that's a separate thing that also needs work. And it's one of those, like, I mean, real or imagined, I've told myself that, you know, I need to clean up my diet before I can clean up so many other things. Mm-hmm  like, and I just haven't done it. Cuz then I'll have a couple beers and then whatever.

Uh, but it's that like, it's stupid idea. Like you have to have all the stuff in order before you can, you know, I don't know. It's it? Yeah. Let me just read you some more quotes from this guy and then we'll move on. Cuz my gosh, do I do this every time? The question is like, here's one. We forgot what we are supposed to be eating.

I think this is a problem. I then go, all right. If I'm gonna clean it up, let me eat what I'm supposed to be eating. And then I'm like in the spiral of like, who's right and they're they'll mark. This guy's the only one that says I'm.  mm-hmm , you're mark CS. You're Michael polls, you know, who are more measured, you know, and, and that's, I don't know which one's sensible.

I'm, I'm a, I'm a guy that has, I don't have moderation to me so that the people who have the ability of moderation who say, just have moderation. I'm like, it's not an option. I need to be all in or all out. Like I need to be on the wagon, off the wagon, whatever it is.  all right. So he says, we forgot what we are supposed to be eating.

We, we are looking for the lost user manual. I like, right. Which foods will make us in the Demi gods. We all deserve to be. And which will only serve as roadblocks on this quest. I believe that the solution to the riddle of what we should be eating lies in our user manual, the template that we should follow for proper fuel and nutrition.

Sadly this user manual, isn't an actual book that is delivered to our ecstatic families along with our slippery bodies. When we enter the world, that will be amazing. It will make this question a lot easier to answer a last universe. Doesn't work this way. Our user manual is really a code written into our genes.

It's sent our DNA and it's been there since we became human about three to 4 million years ago. So I think we should begin our search for the user manual, where we last saw it. Mm-hmm  pointing the hunter togethers. Uh, it is our ancestral birthright. Mm-hmm . So again, so you, you say that and I'm like nodding my head, like yeah.

Right. Paul Sal own carnivore MD Uhhuh, but then he makes these Instagram videos where he is like, kale is bullshit. And I'm like, is kale bullshit? Is that. Why are you the only one saying this? Are you, are you the prophet or are you the false prophet? I don't know. Yeah, I don't. Or is it more Michael Paul going?

Yeah. You know, just relax, eat food, right? Mostly plants. Yeah.  like, bro, I don't think the Kale's gonna kill you. It's the Doritos, Michael. Paul's not pro promising me. I could be a Demi God though.  I wanna be a Demi God, when you're looking like a store bought brownie, that's just my skin. Uh  so chunky brownie.

Uh, yeah, here's another thought I had on food is, is the entire story of human progress. Nothing more than the story of spending less and less time dealing with food, gathering, hunting, cooking, eating. Yeah, man, that like you could measure like the, our human progress is literally a measurement of the shortening of the amount of effort involved in a.

Putting food in our bodys, a lot of things, but that's a big one. And here's my other one. Is that progress. . We have, hold on, let me  blew that one. Is that progress? Even the one I meant to hit, what is the one I want to hit? Is that progress, Jody, is that progress and. Blowing my mind. We get further from our food though.

We don't know where it comes from. We barely know how to prepare it. Speaking of blowing my mind  for whatever reason, I've been deep into a Mike Tyson hole. I've been listening to old interviews. I've been watching old fights. Okay.  who knew, who knew right where this come from. So  so, and I bet I been listening to these old interviews he's done with Joe Rogan.

Mm-hmm  like, Tyson's got this quiet Savan to him, you know, like, I mean, he's, he's both like, I, I, if you told me his IQ was 40 or one 40, I would believe you. Like, I don't know. He's hard to get a gauge on. And, and I spent like a night with him. I remember told you I spent a night with like, uh, I said, , this is like maybe the coolest story.

I have like as a reporter, but I, I, I, I, I will tell it another time when we have like 20 minutes, but I, I sat ringside at a UFC fight and Mike Tyson was sitting directly behind me. I was sitting with Dana white, the together runs UFC and Mike Tyson was directly behind us. And so, like I talked to, you know, we were like hanging out for three or four hours and he would just shout things like in, into our ears, you know, talking to us.

Uh, and some of it was like, uh, you know, like, uh, you'll have to, excuse me, I'm due back on planet of earth now. But some of it was, uh, just wildly, like fascinating, prophetic. The reason I, I bring him up other than I've been deep into Mike Tyson hole is. He credits his life transformation to what he calls the toad, which is a psychedelic made from toads.

The DMT four, I think, is what it is. Yeah. And he's talking to Joe Rogan about it. And I just, uh, and I mean, this comes up a million times in this interview. This interview is like an hour and a half, but, uh, Joe, Rogan's also done DMT. He's big psychedelic guy and they're chatting. I want you to hear how Joe Rogan describes DMT and then you'll know exactly why I'm like, I think I need do DMT.

Okay. Okay. Let's see if I can do this right. If, if, um, it's, it's a fresh start, you know what I mean? I look, um, that's what he Tyson's described more DMD has done to him as a fresh start, right. Start. Doing the, to I, you know what I mean? My main objective and everything I've been embarking on and being, um, involving myself with has all been because of a fresh start.

I feel fresh. I feel new. I feel that nothing could stop me. Nothing could be in my way. And it's just awesome feeling. So this is from doing that one DMT experience just sent you into, well, I did, I did it one time, but I did it many times that day. Right. You know, but yeah, this really, um, I don't know what it is.

I'm trying to figure it out, but I've changed, but I just don't figure, I just don't know how. Yeah. Um, I describe it for a lot of people. It's like resetting a computer, you re reset a computer, you have a fresh new desktop, and there's only one folder on the desktop. And that folder says my old bullshit.

This is. Huh

DMT. If any of our listeners has psychedelic toads in their backyard, uh, have a lick. I mean, that line was, is the only folder is my old bullshit. Like, uh, I mean, huh? Wanna talk about restoring the factory settings. So no salads needed, just lick this here, towed it. It's why. And I love that. Like the, how we know that if you lick this towed or do whatever, it's not even lick it, you like squeeze it and then dry it and do like.

What like psychopath, like eight year old was like tormenting toads in the, you know, neolithic era or whatever, and like figure it out. And, uh, I assume it was a poison, right? So it was poison dart, frogs. I mean, this is the best I could. And maybe they, somehow someone figured out, well, if you just take a little bit, the list of shit, humans have figured it out, figured out we've had a long time.

Right? A lot of people trying shit. Yeah. When, when not spending any time with food or eating, we got plenty of free time. So let's, uh, let's no one was podcasting and you had time to like, well, let's lick this one. Let's lick that one. Oh, I get another quote from Tyson, uh, back on this, like this equal freedom thing, he, he talks a lot about this guy, CU motto.

Do you know this story? Like, uh, Tyson when he was like, 10 was almost like adopted by this old guy, uh, who was a famous boxing trainer and I mean, Tyson became heavyweight champion. He was like 19 or 20 and this custom motto guy was like 90. Right? Like they, they only had like the years 80 to 90 together.

Right. And, uh, but it clearly, he had the biggest influence on Tyson. And I mean, he was a famous boxing trainer before Mike Tyson ever heard of him. Right. So, but anyway, he he's, he talks a lot about what Casa mile did for him. And he quotes. Saying discipline is doing what you hate to do, but doing it like you love it.

So that's why I'm going to eat healthy  foods as if you love it. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, we we've, uh, we've been talking a long time as usual. I, I only have one more thing to say, which is, uh, uh, back to my boat drama that I, oh, God was gonna buy a boat. And then I realize I need to pick up truck. And my wife is like giving me full pickup truck permission.

She's like, you know what you do, you need, you need, you know, you're a guy that needs a pickup truck. And I was like, all right. And now I'm looking at pickup trucks and it's like, we've talked about this in the past. Like they are staggeringly expensive and again, in this economy. Right. Like I, so I, I bring it up just cuz like.

It makes me fearful of spending anything I have in savings. Right. Like, yeah. Are you starting to feel any worry about the economy? I never think about it on a big picture, but there's something I feel like the media is trying to warn me to be a little fearful of what's happening. Tighten the belt a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. Just, I mean, I I've used to fall. I remember doing like, getting pretty worried in 2008, 2007. Um, and being worried about real collapse, like real, real collapse or what I don't, I don't know what we're informed, not an economist. I don't even, I try to avoid the news, but yeah, I don't know if you should.

You know, like drop 40 grand on a pickup truck. So you can drag a boat around it's like you did just is something you just said you hate fishing. So buck fishing  so I do like cruising around on a boat playing, you know, nineties hip and I'm I'm my balls. I'm in the same spot, man. Get it. Get a small boat. I mean, sure.

It's gonna lose value or, you know, you want something, prove it, prove that you're gonna use the fucking shit out of this boat and do what you think you're gonna do. Right. You're going out to the sand bars, you're going fishing. You're trolling, like go, do, you can do that stuff to four of you. The three of you can do that stuff.

And, um, that, that's my philosophy. And then if you really are boat people, right, then you can make that, you know, that plunge and you don't have to buy a pickup truck and you don't have to worry about so many things with the bigger boat. I get it. Oh, Jody, I know that next year I'm gonna be looking for the center console, blah, blah, blah.

Prove it. Show me, you know, and then. You sell this little outboard motory thing that, that, uh, just didn't come see rational people like you, when you talk to irrational people like me, I, I don't know what you think it's doing, but it's, uh, you're not even listening. I'm I'm you were looking at the boat out.

I was, I was looking out the window at all these center consoles. Why do they get to have a center console? I sell this a ton of moorings right out of our window. And there's no boats at the mooring. Yeah. Who's not using their moorings. I don't, I don't know. That's a whole thing here. That's uh, it's like a massive thing here.

We are looking right now at maybe 20 moorings and there are four boats. Yeah. It's June 20th. What do they know? What do they know? They haven't put their boat in. They know the Harbor master is what they know to not get their morning taken away.  so, uh, uh, yeah. That's what's going on? You got anything else, Jody?

No, man. I'm gonna just. Try and recover. Cause I'm a little sore I have to admit. Are you, I, I was wondering about that. Like there is an actual, yeah, I'm a little sore muscle. Uh, and I gotta dance this week. Work on my footwork. Yes. I got something going on Sunday. I, I intentionally did not ask you about much about the greasy pole, cuz we're gonna cover that in depth.

We cover how we're gonna cover that. Uh, oh boy. But first things. First dance class dance ASAP. Yeah. Anyway, uh, I have this in my notes or the sign off it is a reminder to you and to me to seek friends, not admirers Myers. That's all I got. That's good, man. Good talk, Jody, have a good one. Good to see you.