17 - Stranger Things

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Welcome back. Welcome back, folks. It is January
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20, 2026. Krista, how are you? I am doing well.
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How are you? I'm doing well, too. I'm enjoying
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a very sunny and beautiful day here in Southern
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California. How are how are things over back
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east? It is not sunny or beautiful here. It is
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quite gloomy. It looks dark out, honestly. We're
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about to get a storm tonight, so that's super
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fun. But it's not frigid right now and there's
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no snow out currently or wind, so I really can't
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complain. But quite literally by the time we're
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done recording, I might give another update depending
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on what the weather looks like. All right. Well,
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folks, if you're listening, please stay tuned
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to the end of the episode for a weather update.
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You sound a little bit like a meteorologist there.
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On the evening news. Well, speaking of the evening
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news, I think you have some news to share about
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this podcast. Is that right? Yes, MIDS is back.
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We have done a little bit of rebranding. We took
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a little bit of a hiatus. Last year was a very
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busy year for both of us. But we are back in
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2026. We're going to be dropping in your feed.
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in the middle of every other week, kind of on
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a midday on hopefully a Wednesday. I think Wednesday
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is kind of a midday, right? It's the middle of
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the week. I think Wednesday is midweek for sure.
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Yeah, but you're not super close to the weekend,
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but you're not, you know, it's not a Monday.
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So I like to think of it as a midday, but we
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are back and we are ready to bring you some.
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Oh, a midday, like the day itself is mid. Yeah,
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it's mid, like mids, you know? Oh, I see, I see.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, we're back
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and we're excited. I think we have some really
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cool content to bring you. And Dave and I are
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just really excited to be sharing some really
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cool TV shows and discussion with you. And I
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don't know, it just feels good. It feels different
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and we're energized and ready. We are ready.
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And what are we talking about today? Yeah, so
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we are jumping into a show that is quite literally
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the talk of the town. currently um i don't know
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if you've ever heard of it but it's called stranger
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things stranger things things krista what's your
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familiarity with stranger things this is a show
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i've watched in full and i watched it the first
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season when it came out so fun fact the first
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season came out in 2016 i watched it in my very
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first apartment in Alexandria, Virginia. So I
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am, you know, from the beginning have been kind
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of into Stranger Things. Recently just watched
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the last episode, season five just wrapped. So,
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you know, have a lot of thoughts, a lot of conversation.
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And honestly, I'm just really excited to share,
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to talk with you through this because you have
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not watched this, correct? That is correct. And...
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Speaking of 2016, that is the year I met you.
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And I do remember that show having just come
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out. I remember you and some of our colleagues,
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classmates talking about it. And I think I might
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have said at the time that I think it's too popular
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for me to check out right now. I need to let
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it cool down a little bit. Now, 10 years later,
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almost 10 years later, the show just wrapped
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up its final season. And it's... actually wild
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to me that the show was on that long but i guess
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did they take breaks between seasons is that
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what they did yeah absolutely and david it's
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funny i am usually a person similar to you when
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something is super popular i don't watch it so
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it is interesting that i did watch danger things
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um it did take a few breaks i think there was
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a couple filming hiatuses with uh one of the
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strikes maybe two um i think kovid got in the
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way but I do think the show in some senses has
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followed the timing gap well, which sometimes
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that is really difficult with shows. It's hard
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to build character storylines when they look
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significantly older or different. But I think
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Stranger Things does a good job of that for the
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most part. Nothing's perfect. Yeah, that makes
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sense. And I think also in that time, Millie
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Bobby Brown. uh made Godzilla versus Kong yeah
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I have a whole thing at the end I can't wait
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to talk about these characters first of all this
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is probably David's I don't know if I want to
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say it's like your worst nightmare of a character
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show because there's a lot of characters in this
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show there are a lot of characters they're all
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kind of important which is kind of wild being
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from this perspective of actually seeing the
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show I'm actually really excited to share like
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kind of talk through it um but yeah there's a
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lot of characters and I didn't really realize
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it until I sat down to write out some episode
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notes for this but I want to talk about some
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of the characters too at the end and some of
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the actors and actresses in this show because
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it is really a truly to me a phenomenal lineup
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and has created some really like great actors
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and actresses out of the show but also there's
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a few mainstays that have already you know um
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built a path through Hollywood so with and uh
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at least one who this is probably the end of
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the road for them right I guess we could talk
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yeah definitely definitely um Do you want to
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jump into it? Yeah. So Stranger Things, I'll
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do a quick, really quick background. It did debut
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in 2016 and the last season released in 2025.
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Five seasons in total. This is a Netflix original
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show, one of Netflix's biggest shows. So if you
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want to watch it, you got to check out Netflix.
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We did quite literally a midway point of this
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show. We did season three, episode four. It's
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called The Sauna Test. And this debuted in July
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of 2019. So kind of really also a little bit
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like halfway through the series as well. So I
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am going to jump in, I think, with the storyline.
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As I'm watching this, I felt that there was four
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main storylines that we have to go through. However,
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before I jump into that, I'm going to share one
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of the opening scenes because I think it doesn't
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necessarily fit into any or every storyline,
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but it's really, really important. And it is
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the scene where there's this young woman named
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Heather and she was in Eleven's vision. She has
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her parents being tied up in a dark barn or like
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a basement or something. I'm not really entirely
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sure. These parents are pleading with their daughter
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and this other guy named Billy to help them.
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But both Billy and Heather have kind of disassociated.
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And they walk away after kind of saying something
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along the lines of like, it'll all be over soon.
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You know, just kind of hang out. And then we
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see a monster come out of the darkness. He's
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spider -like and raw, like raw meaty. But he
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has like a long face. And the monster attaches
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like a tentacle. to their faces and is presumably
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sucking the life out of them i would say i have
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on my notes heather that's the name i wrote down
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heather and some austin butler looking guy have
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her father yes question mark captive that's so
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that's right yeah excellent that uh so it's sucking
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the life out of their faces and it goes to the
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opening yeah like title I really like the font.
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Actually, I do like the opening credits a lot.
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I think the music sets like a pretty good tone.
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The colors are nice. When it finishes their names
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and it just says Stranger Things, I wish I had
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a better way to describe it for folks who aren't
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familiar, but it kind of comes at you and the
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letters make way for the actual. I thought that
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looked really good. Every episode too. And I
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think that's really cool. They do so much of
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their own brand in the show and everything ties
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in cohesively, which sometimes we don't get in
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other shows, especially on network television.
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Maybe the credits don't always like meet the
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brand of the show. I feel are like the opening
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credits. I think CSI, CSI and law and order probably
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are maybe the exceptions to that. I mean, I would
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say some are, but I just, it doesn't. It's almost
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like you're getting into it. You watch it and
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you want to watch it and you're like getting
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hyped up. So the first storyline I'm going to
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talk through is Joyce and Hopper. So Joyce is
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played by Winona Ryder and Hopper is David Harper.
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David Harper, who's been in the news. We'll get
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to that. We'll get to that. So both the first
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time we see these two characters, they're at
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Hopper's cabin. He's waking up. He's very sick.
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He's beat up. Right off the bat, he stands up
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and is nude. We can't see anything as the actor,
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or as the audience. But there's presumably some
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sexual tension between him and Joyce. I think
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it's pretty clear right off the bat. Are they
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married? They are not married. Oh. No. So this
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shouldn't be happening. No. Okay. Or maybe it's...
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Are they Eleven's parents? So... Hopper kind
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of takes on the role of an adoptive father of
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Eleven through most of the series. And I would
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say Joyce sort of does as well, but it's more
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complicated in After. But right in this episode
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in this season, I would say Hopper is her dad,
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for lack of better words. Okay, thank you. And
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for folks at home, I don't know if I made it
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clear. This is the only episode of the show I've
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ever seen. And I love that we're doing this.
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I think this might be the first time that it's
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a show I've watched from beginning to end in
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like a small period of time. Or either one of
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us has watched fully in a short period of time
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when the other one hasn't. I think they're shows
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we've both seen a lot of episodes on, but not
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from beginning to end type thing. Anyways, so
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there's a little sexual tension between the two.
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The two immediately start trying to process what's
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happened. Who beat Hopper up? Why did he get
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beat up, et cetera? But Joyce gets a partial
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license from the person that drove away in a
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motorcycle, not a car. And that's key. Immediately
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it clicks for Hopper. Something clicks for Hopper.
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We don't know what it is right off the bat. But
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the next scene that we see these two in is...
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He's a cop, right? He is a cop. And that's also
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kind of important for this episode. But is it
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necessarily mentioned much in the episode? Yeah,
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at some point he mentions it, but she is not.
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She's crucially not at this point. So Hopper
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and Joyce go to City Hall to see a mayor. His
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name is Larry Klein. His name is Eric Adams.
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Off the bat, you can kind of tell he's like,
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he's not liked. I don't know if you noticed,
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but as they get out of the vehicle, they step
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on a poster that like calls him swine. They're
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like Klein is swine. Oh, okay. I thought maybe
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hop that was okay. All right. I didn't realize
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that that was about the mayor and not about like
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a sheriff or something. So he's not well liked.
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Um, and there's reasons why I can tell you at
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the end, I'm not going to share right now, but,
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um, Well, you kind of figure it out. But anyway,
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so Hopper walks into Klein's office directly
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past the secretary into the office and says,
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hey, like, who did you talk to that was on a
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bike the other day? Klein tries to brush it off
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as, you know, some maintenance guy who's fixing
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plumbing. But Hopper calls his BS and kind of
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starts this back and forth, almost blackmail
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like spout. Hopper mentions some instances where
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he found the mayor passed out with white powder
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on his nose. Another time he found the mayor
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in a vehicle with a secretary that's not his
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wife. Klein kind of turns it around and says,
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hey, what about you drinking on the job? What
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about you using pills that aren't prescribed
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to you? And threatens to call the newspaper about
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this. And says he doesn't want to hear the dead
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daughter sob story. Which is... Yeah, what was
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that about? Yeah, so... No, no, it's okay. Basically,
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Hopper had a daughter, never in the show, but
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you hear about it in the show, and it kind of
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plays into his character arc. She died of cancer
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when she was very young. like maybe eight years
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old so um and it really put him into like a very
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depressive state and some of those substance
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abuse struggles come from that um and that's
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also why he connects with 11 so well and wants
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to be protective of her but yeah so they're kind
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of going back and forth and hopper just kind
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of starts beating him up um again i wouldn't
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say it's like super violent at this point it's
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very very violent i don't think so i think like
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it's violent for what's happening but like as
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a tv show i think it could be way more violent
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looking I agree. I'll say though, I did not expect
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that. And I remember watching the first time
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and I did not expect that either at this point.
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The secretary hears him and this is kind of one
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of my favorite moments in the scene. And Joyce
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pulls the landline cord and is like, who are
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you going to call? The cops? Because obviously
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Hopper is chief of police. So who are you going
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to call? Oh, he's the chief of police. Okay.
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How small is this town also? This is in Indiana.
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This is supposed to be a very small town. We're
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going to talk about Starcourt Mall. That's a
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huge thing. That's not here in previous seasons.
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This is the first season Starcourt's here. So
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it is booming 80s. It's a small town. That's
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why, you know, if you saw the very small image
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of City Hall, it looks like a city hall of a,
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you know, a small to mid, a small Midwest city,
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let's say. It might've even said town hall on
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top of it. And it might, you know what? It probably
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did. Cause I think it's town of Hawkins, not
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city of Hawkins, but. The way it's set up, definitely
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it's supposed to be like a small town feel. Sadie
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Hawkins. Sadie Hawkins dance. Did you have those?
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We did not. Did you? Do you know what that refers
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to? Like who Sadie Hawkins is? No. No, like have
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you ever heard of a Sadie Hawkins dance? Yeah,
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it's where the girls ask the guys, right? Or
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like supposedly. What's going on with that? Let
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us know if you've ever been to a Sadie Hawkins
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dance in the comments below. I heard a Christian
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rock song when I was like eight. And it describes
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the premise of a Sadie Hawkins dance. And so
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the girls ask the guys. Is it Sadie Hawkins dance
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in my khaki dance? Sadie Hawkins dance in my
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khaki. Have we talked about this before? No,
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I know the song. I don't know if we've ever talked
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about this before. Is it by Reliant K? It is.
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I think that's correct. Yeah. Wow. You know,
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sometimes I forget what I had for breakfast,
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but I remember like a Christian rock song that
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a religious family member had playing. in their
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room in, like, 1997. Well, they say music can
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open up a part of your brain. Which part? I don't
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know. Speaking of parts of the brain, Hopper,
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at this point, puts the mayor's finger in what
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is that? A cigar cutter? Okay, okay, a cigar
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cutter. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I have
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a question mark, but I, based on the 80s... what
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status is, I'm thinking it's a cigar cutter.
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That's what I was thinking too when I saw it.
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And then I was like, oh, a vice would be cool,
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but why would he have a vice on his desk? Okay,
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so he puts his finger there. He's demanding to
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know who works where? Who was on the bike? Who
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was on the bike? The motorcycle, sorry. And Klein
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admits, oh, it's this guy who works for Starcourt
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Mall. And he's like, Starcourt, you gotta be
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kidding me. And he says, basically he admits,
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the mayor admits, he's helped facilitate people
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in town selling land to this developer of Starcourt
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because they need it for some unknown reason.
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And Hopper wants these land records and the trio
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eventually goes to Klein's house to get them.
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Before we get there, I want to just talk about
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the name Starcourt Mall and how... 80s in real
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and like perfect it fits in this we'll talk about
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them all later but like this is the first time
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you're really hearing about StarCorp what are
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you thinking in this moment I'm thinking yeah
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same very 80s it sounds like the name of a scandal
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like Whitewater something like that where it's
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like okay development deal shady mayor things
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like that I'm getting a picture of like a very
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open mall with escalators A food court, neon,
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all that stuff. Love it. And, you know, you'll
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see that later in this episode. But sticking
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with the Hopper and Joyce storyline, they go
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to Klein's house. We see he lives in luxury.
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He has a huge house. I would say it's very 80s
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meets like Playboy kind of vibes. Yeah, kind
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of like American Psycho. Yeah. Suburb, rural
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suburban. Very nice. Yeah, it's like it stands
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out from the rest of the show. Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, not that. The rest of the show doesn't
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look nice, but it looks very, uh, like this person,
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this guy could be the mayor of anywhere with
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that kind of taste. You know, he has money based
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on this. Yeah. Uh, Klein gets the land deeds
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and kind of mentions like, these are some really
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bad guys and I have them at my home and my safe
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here for protection. Joy starts reading through
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the, the land deeds and immediately notices this
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pattern that the land that the Russians have
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been purchasing. correlates to like significant
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spots around town where stranger things have
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been happening that did not dawn on me um i didn't
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i didn't get that connection and i know the russians
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come up in another storyline so that's that's
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very yeah and i will say the only reason i know
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that is because they did end up writing the russian
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they did end up mentioning russians here but
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it isn't really cohesive until we get to like
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the star course storyline the story this storyline
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for this episode for joyce and hopper really
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ends here the next thing we see is um well Klein's
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wife getting home and he's kind of yelling at
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her to call the cop somebody get her get him
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a phone I should say not even call he's beat
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up is he tied up yes but not like it looks like
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kind of superficially like he's just like yeah
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like he's just very yeah that's it's nothing
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super aggressive I mean he does try to like escape
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them so he clearly has some stuff to hide um
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but we see what Joyce and Hopper like searching
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a location it's kind of vague where crossing
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off a list and then saying that they're going
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to like the farm location next, I believe. And
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that kind of ends. You don't really see where
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they're going next. That is it for Joyce and
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Hopper. He does suggest that she quit her sales
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job to work at him at the police department.
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And in the beginning of the episode, he says
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he should stick to sales until when she's trying
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to describe the license plate number. It's definitely
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some flirty banter. And if you watch the whole
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season, you'd understand that kind of back and
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forth in this episode specifically. Okay. That's
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storyline one. What, what, what do we have? What
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do you have? What do you have on the hopper?
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I was going to say Jonathan and Nancy, because
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I think it's kind of still a little bit like
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not super connected up unless, or only until
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the very end. That's when it like really connects.
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So Jonathan, Jonathan and Nancy are. The two
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young, the couple, they are immediately seen
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at somebody's house with an elderly woman taken
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to the hospital. They work for the newspaper.
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They are interns of the newspaper. Okay, gotcha.
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So we see them. They're first seen. They're at
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a older elderly woman's house. Her name is Mrs.
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Driscoll. It is said later in the episode, but
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for continuity, I'm just going to call her that
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now. She's in distress. She has some stuff on
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her face. And Jonathan and Nancy have found her.
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It becomes clear that they were at her house
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and they called an ambulance for her. The next
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time we see them, they're having a meeting in
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the newspaper office with presumably the boss
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of the office. Yeah, he's the editor, but I thought
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he looked exactly like the mayor. He does look
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like the mayor, but do you know who he actually
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is? he's heather's dad from the basement oh okay
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which yeah so if you watch you see him a little
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bit more in the first few episodes of the season
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and i think that connection would be made more
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clear but he is yes he is so he's not dead so
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like we now know whatever happened in the basement
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didn't kill him oh did he maybe get possessed
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by some sort of demon or something krista's indicating
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doing a gesture to say who maybe maybe not i
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don't know so i think i know um i think there's
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supposed to be some shock value here because
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we do i think assume he's dead or we don't know
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right i mean i when i watched that scene the
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first time and this time i couldn't remember
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if he's dead or not like it's not clear either
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way um but he is furious with jonathan and nancy
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for pursuing this story about maybe some like
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diseased rats um and he goes to this really weird
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like six like a list of six things i don't know
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did you notice that it was very very odd um i
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was it just him trying to flex on how little
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they know about journalism yeah i think so i
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think also just to maybe show like how angry
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he is um yeah yeah he's mad he's very mad he
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calls the the elderly woman you know a delusional
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and says that they've opened the paper up to
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litigation but can i say something about how
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Yeah. Just aesthetically. I wrote in my notes,
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he's screaming at these young people. There's
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so many cuts, like in the camera, just like cutting
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to different things. And so many Dutch angles
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where the camera's kind of tilted or like the
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figure in frame is like kind of like this. It
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is very frantic. I thought this whole episode
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is frantic, but I thought especially this scene
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was just, you know, boom, boom, boom, like cut,
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cut, cut. So does that, that scene pretty much
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wraps up and then. He fires them. I mean, which
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we kind of, we know that's coming. Oh, number
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six? Five and a half steps before. You're fired.
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Yeah. Did you say six seven? Oh, I didn't know
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that was going to happen. Did I? I don't know.
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Maybe. Six seven. It's not a good thing. I don't
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even get it still. So they're driving and they're
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like, he's like all mad he's like i really needed
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that job and you're like wealthy so you don't
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understand um but they're also talking about
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demo dogs and mind flyers yeah so i don't remember
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them actually talking about that here which is
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so funny maybe that was a different that was
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a different set of characters but they are they
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are arguing and he kind of blames her for them
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getting fired and he's like you are you don't
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know what it's like to need this. And, you know,
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we were just interns. We didn't need to be doing
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all of this. And she's like, you don't know how
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hard it is. It's an interesting perspective of
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like Jonathan being like, I need this job because
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I need to like have financial freedom. And he
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indicates that like maybe his family relies on
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him, which they do a little bit. And she is kind
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of from a different perspective, like. I don't
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need anything that's going to like treat me less
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than what I am. And there's clearly some like
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being a woman in that very male dominated space
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and how difficult it was for her versus how hard
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it is for him to maybe even be in those spaces.
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And they kind of had this moment of like, we
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just don't understand each other. And it's very
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emotional, although it still feels very young.
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It still feels very, I'm 16, 17, 18 years old
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fighting with my significant other. Yeah, for
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sure. And then he drops her off at home where
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she kind of like goes into her room and then
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her mom checks on her, Karen. And they share
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a really small moment, which is kind of interesting
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because I don't think the show does this very
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often with parents, especially where they're
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just chatting very like normally. She's making
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her daughter some tea and kind of like, what's
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going on? And you can tell in this moment that
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Karen really relates to her daughter. She kind
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of says, like, you know, the thing about this
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world is it's always going to be really hard
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and the cards are always going to be stacked
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against you. Like, maybe she's been through some
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other things. And that Karen encourages her to
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finish the story and sell it to, like, a bigger
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newspaper maybe. Like, you know, go on and do
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what you believe. Yeah, the Indianapolis Star.
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Yeah. And then Nancy agrees and goes to the hospital
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to see Mrs. Driscoll. She claims to be her granddaughter.
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She starts taking notes on her medical file when
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Driscoll's heart rate starts going up. And she
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starts screaming as these like dark shadowy veins
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appear all over her body. Lights are flickering.
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And it's a montage. Yes. It's a montage where
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this is happening to another character at the
00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:26.509
same time. I'm going to get to that in the next
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storyline, which I think is the bulk of this
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episode, which is kind of 11 in the game. Yes.
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Uh, and the whole, the whole crew, what does
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their crew have a name? No, they just have names.
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They don't have like a, okay. I kind of, since
00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:48.140
some of, since at least one or two of these actors
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is in, um, the it film. films that that crew
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has its own name the losers yeah they do some
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i would say they don't because even in the future
00:25:58.910 --> 00:26:01.349
when some of them are like in a club in school
00:26:01.349 --> 00:26:04.390
it's not all of them but basically this storyline
00:26:04.390 --> 00:26:08.049
opens up with 11 and she's with max at a sleepover
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at her house it starts with a little montage
00:26:11.089 --> 00:26:16.250
vision of her hearing heather need help some
00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:19.759
flashbacks of billy um it rattles 11 and she
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shares it with max and max kind of defends billy
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and the vision kind of saying like no like everything's
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.079
fine you don't have to worry about it um and
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11 is skeptical i think it's important to note
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that max and billy are steps of lanes um i don't
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know if that's actually explicitly oh that's
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why she's so protective that's yes i see the
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next can i can i say one thing about this scene
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:49.319
um she's like showing her comic books Yes. Eleven
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has never seen one or heard of Wonder Woman.
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So Max is kind of explaining it to her. Let me
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.160
ask Krista. I wrote this down in my notes. Is
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this show like a vessel for just talking about
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old comic books and movies and things like that?
00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:06.880
Because there's some other references to other
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.500
like sci -fi type things that come up. No, I
00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:14.000
would say what it is a vessel for is it takes
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.700
what I'm assuming is like. dungeons and dragons
00:27:16.700 --> 00:27:21.480
lore and it applies it to like it uses like verbiage
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:24.500
from that to explain what they think is happening
00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:26.799
instead of coming up with like a new name they're
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.420
like oh it's like so and so it's like the demogorgon
00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:35.220
yeah demogorgon i was gonna say gorgonzola the
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:38.319
demogorgonzola um that would be such a cute little
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.799
thing yeah be a little cheesy though i guess
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.460
yeah um so what happens in the next scene The
00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:47.859
next morning, Lucas is trying to radio Max. And
00:27:47.859 --> 00:27:51.420
he's with Will and Mike. She's not interested
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:53.859
in talking on that walkie -talkie. They hang
00:27:53.859 --> 00:27:57.299
up and call her. Before she hangs up, Mike grabs
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:59.079
the phone and is like, hey, you guys got to get
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:01.299
here. Something's happened. It's a code red.
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:05.400
A code red. We're centralizing everyone. We also
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.559
see Lucas try to call Dustin here with no luck.
00:28:07.700 --> 00:28:09.799
And that's really what's so interesting about
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.299
this episode and really the season. Dustin is
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:14.880
usually with those. three other boys pretty often
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.859
so a little bit different here uh we see the
00:28:18.859 --> 00:28:22.819
gang in mike's basement will is sharing how he's
00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:25.019
been feeling goosebumps on his neck again and
00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:27.539
when he's felt it before it's when the mind flayer
00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:30.240
has been around but they kind of go back and
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.839
forth because you know the gate has been shut
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.059
whatever that is obviously i know what it is
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:38.480
but 11's like i closed the gate and they're like
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.930
well maybe you closed the gate but like Part
00:28:40.930 --> 00:28:44.789
of the mind flare was left here. And maybe it's,
00:28:44.829 --> 00:28:47.130
like, regenerating or something. It needs a new
00:28:47.130 --> 00:28:50.809
host. Like, who could the new host be? And the
00:28:50.809 --> 00:28:53.009
signs are pointing to Billy, based on Eleven's
00:28:53.009 --> 00:28:57.089
vision. And the beginning of the show. We see
00:28:57.089 --> 00:29:00.509
the gang at the pool spying on Billy. Billy's,
00:29:00.509 --> 00:29:04.170
uh, what do you call it? Lifeguard. And he's
00:29:04.170 --> 00:29:07.809
wearing, like, a shirt. Yeah, also... Old school
00:29:07.809 --> 00:29:10.349
Niagara Falls hat. Niagara Falls hat. I love
00:29:10.349 --> 00:29:15.029
this hat. And I forgot when I rewatched it. Again,
00:29:15.269 --> 00:29:19.930
he has this just super cool vintage travel hat.
00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:22.190
And I just, it's really, really cool. That's
00:29:22.190 --> 00:29:24.509
so 80s, right? To just have the name of the place
00:29:24.509 --> 00:29:27.690
on the hat. That's it. I love it. I want that
00:29:27.690 --> 00:29:30.130
style back. I think it's just simple and like
00:29:30.130 --> 00:29:32.710
cool. I don't know. But they're trying to debate
00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:35.380
whether. Billy is truly the host and like how
00:29:35.380 --> 00:29:37.079
they could figure out. And they're saying like
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.539
the mind flayer likes a cold and he's kind of
00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:42.400
like hiding from the sun and he's drinking an
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:46.420
icy. So like maybe that's why. He can't be in
00:29:46.420 --> 00:29:50.599
the heat. Yeah. Okay. So Mike has the idea to
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.299
lock him in the sauna and crank the heat and
00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:58.740
see what happens. They start prepping for this.
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.920
There's a couple small scenes here that like
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.180
are kind of irrelevant between like. Lucas and
00:30:04.180 --> 00:30:06.299
Will and Eleven and Mike where they're just kind
00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:09.599
of like referring to things that maybe happened
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.380
in previous episodes can I ask you does Mike
00:30:12.380 --> 00:30:15.200
have a crush on Eleven and like why is she so
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.680
not maybe not dismissive but it seems like she
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:24.000
overheard something that was hurtful yes so Mike
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.700
and Eleven basically are like romantically involved
00:30:27.700 --> 00:30:28.940
throughout the whole show they're like little
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:30.900
Kids that, like, have crushes on each other and
00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:33.960
they end up dating. This season, they kind of,
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.099
like, go through a little spat. And that's part
00:30:36.099 --> 00:30:38.480
of what this reference is. But what's funny is
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.920
Eleven, Mike kind of says, like, hey, the reason
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.640
that I, like, wasn't wanting to spend time with
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.099
you is because, like, Hopper basically scared
00:30:45.099 --> 00:30:48.200
me and told me not to. And she, instead of being
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.799
like, oh my gosh, like, I'm so mad at Hopper,
00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:52.119
she's like, well, maybe I shouldn't spend that
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.400
much time with you then. And I love that. Like,
00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:57.390
just, you don't have to always do what... The
00:30:57.390 --> 00:31:00.230
boyfriend says anyways, which is kind of a theme.
00:31:00.869 --> 00:31:04.690
I see. Yeah. I liked, I like, I like the performances
00:31:04.690 --> 00:31:07.630
there. What was the reference to being another
00:31:07.630 --> 00:31:09.470
species or spending time with the different,
00:31:09.490 --> 00:31:13.650
was it just like boy, girl stuff or. 11 spied
00:31:13.650 --> 00:31:17.509
on them and heard. So, you know, something else
00:31:17.509 --> 00:31:19.069
you don't know is that Lucas and Max were also
00:31:19.069 --> 00:31:21.690
dating, but then Mac, they like break up at the
00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:23.130
same time. Cause they're just like kind of anti
00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:26.549
boys. Eleven basically spies, and they just are
00:31:26.549 --> 00:31:30.009
saying some stuff about girls. They don't understand
00:31:30.009 --> 00:31:32.450
how girls stink. They're a different species,
00:31:32.809 --> 00:31:36.049
and they just take a lot of offense to it. It's
00:31:36.049 --> 00:31:38.309
kind of harmless, but also I think when you hear
00:31:38.309 --> 00:31:40.470
that as a little kid, you're probably very upset.
00:31:41.650 --> 00:31:45.589
The plan is then kind of set into motion. They
00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.029
draw Billy out after he's like done with the
00:31:48.029 --> 00:31:51.289
day. He's like showering or whatever. He realized
00:31:51.289 --> 00:31:54.009
he's locked in the locker room. Eventually starts
00:31:54.009 --> 00:31:56.890
following a voice, walks right into the sauna.
00:31:57.289 --> 00:32:00.410
And there's like a CPR dummy with a walkie tape
00:32:00.410 --> 00:32:02.890
to it. And that's when you see Eleven use her
00:32:02.890 --> 00:32:06.210
powers to kind of push him back and close the
00:32:06.210 --> 00:32:08.680
door and they lock it. Which I have to say, I
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.480
mean, maybe I had seen just in passing in other
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.299
places that this character had powers like that,
00:32:15.339 --> 00:32:17.980
but that wasn't top of mind for me. So when that
00:32:17.980 --> 00:32:20.720
happened, I was like, oh, wow, this is cool.
00:32:20.900 --> 00:32:24.799
I wrote in my notes right before this, are we
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:26.740
going to see Eleven's powers? Because I thought
00:32:26.740 --> 00:32:28.359
it would be really crazy if this was an episode
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.660
that didn't even touch upon that, really. But
00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:35.230
we do here. billy immediately zones in on max
00:32:35.230 --> 00:32:38.289
and is pleading with her specifically to help
00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:41.509
him and you can tell this is very emotional for
00:32:41.509 --> 00:32:45.430
her they crank the heat anyways billy is screaming
00:32:45.430 --> 00:32:48.670
pounding on the door and then he kind of like
00:32:48.670 --> 00:32:50.609
switches and breaks down and is crying he's like
00:32:50.609 --> 00:32:53.849
i've done bad things but he made me do it i didn't
00:32:53.849 --> 00:32:57.690
mean to he made me do it max is like who was
00:32:57.690 --> 00:33:00.759
it and you know he's like the shadow And as this
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.940
is happening, Will gets the goosebumps. Yeah.
00:33:03.980 --> 00:33:07.019
On his neck. Yes. And that's when all of a sudden
00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:10.160
Billy grabs like a broken piece of tile and then
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.319
like breaks through the sauna window, which is
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.660
kind of crazy. Yeah. Obviously like very powerful.
00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:18.119
He's had a surge of power in this moment. What
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:19.819
is the term they were using? He's activated.
00:33:19.940 --> 00:33:24.259
He's activating. Yeah. I don't remember. It's
00:33:24.259 --> 00:33:26.920
activating like the hive mind or something. Okay.
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.960
But yeah, that's like. Lucas uses a slingshot
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.279
to kind of knock him out. But the lights start
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.859
flickering. And that's when we see the shadowy
00:33:35.859 --> 00:33:38.119
veins coming over his body. And it's a montage
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.079
between him and Mrs. Driscoll. It's happening
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.720
at the same time. In the hospital, yeah. Yeah.
00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.480
He gets an incredible power, breaks down the
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.140
door. Him and Eleven kind of go back and forth
00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:51.440
where she uses her powers to push him up against
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:57.740
a wall. With a barbell. Yes. but then he like
00:33:57.740 --> 00:33:59.920
pushes it down and then mike like uses a pipe
00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:03.859
to hit him and all of the things she's like he
00:34:03.859 --> 00:34:06.779
like chokes 11 at one point but eventually she's
00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:09.820
you know freed and she literally like throws
00:34:09.820 --> 00:34:14.960
him through a brick wall and then you see the
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.900
gang of those like gang of kids go up to the
00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:19.820
wall and it's almost like they're like scared
00:34:19.820 --> 00:34:22.840
like oh shit did we kill this guy like what's
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.210
happening And they go to the little hole to peer
00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:29.449
through, or not little, and they see Billy just
00:34:29.449 --> 00:34:32.269
get up and run away. So you're kind of like,
00:34:32.409 --> 00:34:36.769
oh, this isn't done. And then that's kind of
00:34:36.769 --> 00:34:38.849
it for them, and we go to Starcourt, which is
00:34:38.849 --> 00:34:41.429
low -key my favorite storyline in this episode.
00:34:41.469 --> 00:34:43.670
I was going to say this was my favorite storyline,
00:34:43.929 --> 00:34:48.150
yeah. So here we have three main characters,
00:34:48.550 --> 00:34:52.949
Dustin, Steve, and Robin. Robin, played by Maya
00:34:52.949 --> 00:34:57.869
Hawke. Yes. And it takes place mostly at like
00:34:57.869 --> 00:35:00.369
this ice cream shop called Scoops Ahoy at the
00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:03.789
mall. Their first scene opens up and I'm talking
00:35:03.789 --> 00:35:05.550
about some like recognizance that they've done
00:35:05.550 --> 00:35:08.730
on the Russians or on Russians who are guarding
00:35:08.730 --> 00:35:11.389
a room with a lot of weird boxes. Like that's
00:35:11.389 --> 00:35:12.929
literally what they say. Like what are the boxes?
00:35:12.969 --> 00:35:15.969
What's in the room? steve kind of like makes
00:35:15.969 --> 00:35:17.929
a joke he's like oh i could probably take a rushing
00:35:17.929 --> 00:35:20.530
out with like a sneak attack from behind and
00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:23.469
dustin's like yeah bro like no he's got a gun
00:35:23.469 --> 00:35:27.269
you don't win fights like you're no they're trying
00:35:27.269 --> 00:35:31.309
to figure out some sort of plan yeah to get into
00:35:31.309 --> 00:35:35.489
this room robin like runs out she comes back
00:35:35.489 --> 00:35:37.909
with blueprints and she's like hey we can't walk
00:35:37.909 --> 00:35:39.769
into the locked room but we could probably get
00:35:39.769 --> 00:35:42.840
them through the air ducts And they're kind of
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.599
trying to figure out who will do it, but none
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.860
of them fit. And then the camera pans to, like,
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.000
the front of the little Scoops Ahoy into this
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.179
little girl, Erica, who's, like, wanting ice
00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:56.840
cream. And fun fact, something that you might
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:01.719
not know, but Erica is Lucas's sister. Oh, okay,
00:36:01.820 --> 00:36:04.320
okay. So they know her. They know her, especially
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.880
Dustin. Because Dustin's, like, Lucas is one
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.889
of his best friends. So they... basically are
00:36:09.889 --> 00:36:12.829
like oh like she'll fit she should probably we
00:36:12.829 --> 00:36:15.429
should probably send her in erica's like not
00:36:15.429 --> 00:36:18.289
interested in helping with this air duct mission
00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:20.849
unless there's something in it for her i'm so
00:36:20.849 --> 00:36:24.130
here for it she calls the plan half -baked child
00:36:24.130 --> 00:36:28.170
endangerment child endangerment she says that
00:36:28.170 --> 00:36:31.090
like quite a few times at one point dustin's
00:36:31.090 --> 00:36:33.349
like hey like you have to do this for your country
00:36:33.349 --> 00:36:35.670
like these are the russians this is the 80s like
00:36:36.230 --> 00:36:39.190
This is all peak Cold War. To be clear, he doesn't
00:36:39.190 --> 00:36:42.570
say this is the 80s. Yeah, no, no, no. But if
00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:45.429
this took place in the 90s, his character probably
00:36:45.429 --> 00:36:47.809
would have said, this is the 90s. I feel like
00:36:47.809 --> 00:36:50.010
characters used to say that a lot in the 90s.
00:36:50.090 --> 00:36:55.320
I agree. At least in television. Yeah. But Dustin
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.059
launches into the speech about doing it for her
00:36:57.059 --> 00:36:59.179
country. And I love this one line. She says,
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.139
she like looks at him and she's like, well, you
00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:05.559
can't spell America without Erica. Erica. And
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:10.579
Dustin's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's true. But
00:37:10.579 --> 00:37:13.440
she just has really good one -liners in this
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.159
episode. There's one point where she's like,
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.719
I don't have phobias. And then there's another
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:19.659
one where she's like, oh, I just got the chills
00:37:19.659 --> 00:37:23.760
from my milkshake, not your speech. And it was
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.880
just really cute. So she demands payment. Yeah.
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:28.980
She talks about capitalism and like the value
00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:32.400
of her services. So, um, but basically she's
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:33.920
willing to do it for free ice cream for life.
00:37:34.659 --> 00:37:39.019
Yeah. Which, you know, what would you do for
00:37:39.019 --> 00:37:41.219
free ice cream? What would you do for one Klondike
00:37:41.219 --> 00:37:45.400
bar? Yeah. Um, probably not like pay for it.
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.039
Yeah. I would, I would. Yeah. When was the last
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:50.800
time you had a Klondike bar, by the way? Oh gosh.
00:37:51.619 --> 00:37:54.130
Probably like a year or two. My mom gets them
00:37:54.130 --> 00:37:56.250
every once in a while. So like if I, you know,
00:37:56.250 --> 00:37:58.010
time it right at my mom's, there might be a Klondike
00:37:58.010 --> 00:38:01.670
bar in the freezer. I could go for one. I did
00:38:01.670 --> 00:38:04.550
recently have a peppermint patty, which you might
00:38:04.550 --> 00:38:06.289
be saying, what does that have to do with it?
00:38:06.329 --> 00:38:08.329
But when I was a kid, I would put the peppermint
00:38:08.329 --> 00:38:12.369
patty in the freezer. Ooh. I liked that. I will
00:38:12.369 --> 00:38:15.389
say one more thing on Klondike bar. Facebook
00:38:15.389 --> 00:38:18.750
was serving me up like this one Klondike bar
00:38:18.750 --> 00:38:25.869
ad for like. two or three months and you didn't
00:38:25.869 --> 00:38:30.869
buy it no but like people left weird comments
00:38:30.869 --> 00:38:35.389
on the video of course they did can i just say
00:38:35.389 --> 00:38:37.650
too adding to what you just said though sometimes
00:38:37.650 --> 00:38:40.090
like low -key putting other things in the freezer
00:38:40.090 --> 00:38:43.829
just like when you when you say other things
00:38:43.829 --> 00:38:46.630
what do you mean uh girl scouts thin mints i
00:38:46.630 --> 00:38:48.449
only eat them from the freezer so like things
00:38:48.449 --> 00:38:51.039
that aren't typically frozen yeah Just, like,
00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:52.300
you're, like, I'm going to throw in the, like,
00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:55.400
that. Just, like, there's a couple things. And
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.139
Andy's Candy. What is that? You don't know what
00:38:59.139 --> 00:39:01.940
Andy's Candy is? I don't know, but it rhymes.
00:39:01.940 --> 00:39:03.559
It's, like, a mint. It's, like, a mint and chocolate
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:06.480
candy. It's a little bar. It's, like, you know
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:07.820
when you go out to, like, a restaurant, sometimes
00:39:07.820 --> 00:39:09.320
they'll give you, like, a chocolatey mint? It's,
00:39:09.380 --> 00:39:13.019
like, that. Oh, oh. Is it the, does it have wrapping
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:15.880
that's, like, pretty colorful? I think it's silver
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.619
with, like. I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah, no, I
00:39:18.619 --> 00:39:20.179
think it's silver with, like, restaurant, or,
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.079
like, little mountains, like, for the Andes.
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.420
Oh, oh, oh, like, oh, when you say a restaurant
00:39:25.420 --> 00:39:27.380
mint, like, as you're leaving, they have, um.
00:39:27.380 --> 00:39:29.860
Yes, kind of. I love that. Like, a fancier one,
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:32.179
though, because it's, like, wrapped. Oh, yeah,
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.940
I think I may have had that. You know, on the
00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:37.760
different note than candy, do you ever put grapes
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.300
in the freezer? No, but I've heard good things.
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.260
A little popsicle. Yeah, see? It's very nice.
00:39:45.300 --> 00:39:47.300
Tell us what you put in the freezer. What's your
00:39:47.300 --> 00:39:55.300
guilty freezer pleasure? Um, so she agrees to
00:39:55.300 --> 00:39:58.679
do it. What? Yeah. I said free ice cream. She's
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.920
in. Oh yeah. That's what we were talking about.
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.239
Free ice cream. So she's air ducks. She's very
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.579
small. Yeah. And she goes very precocious, but
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:12.400
small. Yeah. She goes, uh, I don't know. It doesn't
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:13.800
really see like, it doesn't show her getting
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.699
the journey very much, but. She gets to the room,
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.059
pops down, opens the door and Steve, Robin and
00:40:22.059 --> 00:40:24.639
Dustin kind of like, you know, get in there.
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.659
And then they're like opening these boxes and
00:40:28.659 --> 00:40:31.739
they're these pressurized canisters that are
00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:34.659
filled with this green like substance that I
00:40:34.659 --> 00:40:38.360
could only describe as what I would imagine Flubber
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.460
looks like in the movie Flubber. Very gooey.
00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:45.840
Yeah. And then. All of a sudden the room like
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:47.280
kind of starts moving and they're like, oh, we
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:49.619
should probably get out of here. And then it
00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:52.940
really starts moving. And at first I remember
00:40:52.940 --> 00:40:55.800
watching it being like, what is this? And it
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.820
ends up being an elevator and it kind of shows
00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:00.019
the elevator going very, very deep underground.
00:41:00.139 --> 00:41:02.460
For a long time. For a long time. And that's
00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:05.019
it. We don't know what happens. I feel, I didn't
00:41:05.019 --> 00:41:08.619
realize Erica was still with them until that.
00:41:08.739 --> 00:41:10.539
And I was like, why didn't they just send her
00:41:10.539 --> 00:41:13.320
home? Why is she still needed for this? Yeah.
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:16.119
And then the final scene of the entire episode
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.960
is Heather and Billy. So Billy's alive. They're
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:25.559
talking. And Billy says, like, she knows about
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.460
me now. She knows about him now. And Heather
00:41:28.460 --> 00:41:31.420
says, but she doesn't know about us. And the
00:41:31.420 --> 00:41:35.840
camera, like, pans back to all these people who
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:40.340
are kind of disassociated and zombie -like standing
00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:43.679
in front of the monster. So that's the hive.
00:41:44.659 --> 00:41:52.119
That's sure. Okay. Oh, I'll say that it auto
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.800
played the next episode for me. And it was like
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.800
the first of all, the production logo or whatever
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.260
before Stranger Things is very loud and very
00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:03.739
visual to the point that when I started our episode,
00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:06.380
I thought it was part of it. But it went into
00:42:06.380 --> 00:42:08.579
that and then it immediately went into the elevator
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:11.670
still follow. falling yes it does okay I thought
00:42:11.670 --> 00:42:16.289
so um but anyway yeah that's that was the episode
00:42:16.289 --> 00:42:18.710
thank you Krista so much for running it down
00:42:18.710 --> 00:42:22.309
I would have had a ton of trouble trying to explain
00:42:22.309 --> 00:42:26.670
that myself so let's get into kind of debriefing
00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:29.050
it um I have a lot of like random small news
00:42:29.050 --> 00:42:30.769
but like let's talk about some of the big things
00:42:30.769 --> 00:42:35.769
you noticed about the show um yeah I'll start
00:42:35.769 --> 00:42:40.070
with vibes I I mentioned I watched the it films
00:42:40.070 --> 00:42:43.250
i haven't seen welcome to dairy but this gave
00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:45.909
me some of those similar vibes kind of stand
00:42:45.909 --> 00:42:49.369
by me uh well i guess stand by me was the 50s
00:42:49.369 --> 00:42:52.570
and um but nonetheless like a group of kids getting
00:42:52.570 --> 00:42:56.070
together really i think this is a takeaway a
00:42:56.070 --> 00:42:58.250
lot of young people probably have is how independent
00:42:58.250 --> 00:43:01.389
these kids are yeah right they're like latchkey
00:43:01.389 --> 00:43:05.190
kids for sure for sure so that's something different
00:43:05.190 --> 00:43:08.889
i can see why a lot of people really like this
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.800
Other vibe notes. Yeah. Some of that like Marvel
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.940
type of dialogue that I'm like, okay, we can
00:43:15.940 --> 00:43:18.619
also, I'll say too, I'm always looking to edit
00:43:18.619 --> 00:43:21.019
things down a little bit. Like this show was
00:43:21.019 --> 00:43:24.980
53 minutes long. I think 45 minutes. If you cut
00:43:24.980 --> 00:43:30.639
out some of those, those things. This was directed
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.059
by Sean Levy who directed Deadpool versus Wolverine
00:43:35.059 --> 00:43:38.500
and is kind of a long, I think a long time Netflix.
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.079
director for those types of films and and tv
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:49.219
series so um another takeaway this looked wait
00:43:49.219 --> 00:43:55.860
before can i just comment on one thing um i will
00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:58.300
say one of my biggest critiques about this show
00:43:58.300 --> 00:44:01.579
in general especially after like probably season
00:44:01.579 --> 00:44:04.500
one maybe but really at season three and four
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:07.659
i think i remember saying this to joe is I agree
00:44:07.659 --> 00:44:10.099
they like things are just a little bit too long
00:44:10.099 --> 00:44:12.360
and when you just said I would take a 53 minute
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.599
episode and turn it into 45 that's exactly what
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.639
I mean you could just cut small things and maybe
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.739
it's not like this episode specifically but it's
00:44:19.739 --> 00:44:22.559
over the entire season just small things here
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.059
and there and I think it would just be it would
00:44:26.059 --> 00:44:29.420
be just as impactful but it would sometimes I
00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:32.559
felt myself starting to be like okay like I need
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:35.619
to move on to the next thing Or in some cases,
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.539
I want to get back to that other storyline that
00:44:37.539 --> 00:44:38.880
was like really interesting because you kind
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.480
of left me on a like, and it takes too long to
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:43.119
shuffle through the storylines because I'm always
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.639
like, there's one that I'm always like most interested
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.539
in. So I 100 % agree with that. I do think sometimes
00:44:47.539 --> 00:44:49.780
they need to like edit it down. Yeah, that's
00:44:49.780 --> 00:44:51.599
what I'm thinking too. And maybe because there
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.840
are so many characters, it's hard to figure out
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.619
how to give them. Yeah. I mean, it does feel
00:44:56.619 --> 00:44:58.940
like they got fairly equal time with the exception
00:44:58.940 --> 00:45:02.639
of Hop. of the first storyline. I liked the Scoops
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.000
Ahoy storyline the most. I thought those characters
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.219
had really nice chemistry, all of them. And it
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:10.440
was the most contained one, right? It's all in
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.360
one location pretty much. So maybe that speaks
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.320
to the type of thing that I like to see in the
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.980
show. Overall, I'm not a big horror guy. I'm
00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:24.099
like, I can do some science fiction, but I'm
00:45:24.099 --> 00:45:27.199
not a huge horror guy. So the horror elements.
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:29.820
were maybe lost on me. I might not have been
00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:34.019
the audience for it, but I can totally see why
00:45:34.019 --> 00:45:40.119
people are so into this. And I'll say a lot of
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:43.639
people in my life are very into it. So those
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:48.099
were my vibe takeaways. Storyline takeaways,
00:45:48.380 --> 00:45:50.400
I don't have a whole lot. Initially, I mean,
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.219
especially hearing you explain it, a lot of my
00:45:53.219 --> 00:45:56.699
questions were answered. uh, that I had. And
00:45:56.699 --> 00:45:58.579
I think I did even ask you some, so I appreciate
00:45:58.579 --> 00:46:01.280
your patience on that. Uh, what, what were your
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.760
takeaways? Yeah. A lot of the same ones as you.
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:11.079
Um, I think one of my favorite things about this
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:14.119
show and it's so apparent in this episode is
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:18.179
just how well they captured the eighties, the
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:21.750
mall, just the background of the mall. it's so
00:46:21.750 --> 00:46:25.150
peak 80s the colors the busyness the escalators
00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:27.809
everything you described when you heard starcourt
00:46:27.809 --> 00:46:31.210
mall it's there they did such a good job producing
00:46:31.210 --> 00:46:34.769
it and kind of something i love about this show
00:46:34.769 --> 00:46:36.610
in general is like the resurgence and things
00:46:36.610 --> 00:46:39.230
like this show is a cult i feel like it's a cult
00:46:39.230 --> 00:46:41.949
level following it really does but it had like
00:46:41.949 --> 00:46:45.250
different resurgences like eggo waffles coca
00:46:45.250 --> 00:46:48.579
-cola there's music later on that just absolutely
00:46:48.579 --> 00:46:51.820
booms because of this show. Um, and I just love
00:46:51.820 --> 00:46:55.260
that they really, Kate Bush. Yeah, absolutely.
00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:59.280
Um, people just really, they just really are
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.440
very intentional with like all of it. The fear
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.559
of the Russians. I mean, literally like, having
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.719
the russian storyline and it's so silly because
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.800
this episode just kind of picks it like you're
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.840
like what is this but when you think about what
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.880
the russians are actually doing in this series
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.099
it's so real in comparison to like the fear of
00:47:19.099 --> 00:47:22.579
russians in america right like are they gonna
00:47:22.579 --> 00:47:26.260
yeah like are they gonna find technology quicker
00:47:26.260 --> 00:47:29.159
than us and are they gonna you know or get steel
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.260
hours or spy on us all of those things one thing
00:47:32.260 --> 00:47:35.260
i noticed there's really good comedic relief
00:47:35.260 --> 00:47:37.480
in the show there can be really intense scary
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.420
moments and it's always followed or it somehow
00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:42.260
pairs really well with these moments where you
00:47:42.260 --> 00:47:45.679
have to chuckle almost like kind of like erica
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.820
like even the joyce and hopper storyline there's
00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:49.940
a few moments where you're just like it's almost
00:47:49.940 --> 00:47:52.000
like you unintentional like letting your breath
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.219
out when you're like holding it and then i think
00:47:54.219 --> 00:47:56.699
the last thing i'll mention in terms of like
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:59.440
just takeaways from the show is the characters
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.019
and the character development. This show really
00:48:02.019 --> 00:48:03.699
does have some of the best character development
00:48:03.699 --> 00:48:06.699
I've ever seen in a television show. There's
00:48:06.699 --> 00:48:08.619
some that I really do question as well. I'm not
00:48:08.619 --> 00:48:12.239
going to say all of them, but I really do love
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.679
it. And then just for a MIBS perspective, as
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.280
I was doing research for the show, I found a
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.019
really fun Department of Energy article that's
00:48:21.019 --> 00:48:24.460
like debunking. some of the things you see here.
00:48:24.619 --> 00:48:26.780
Um, I'm going to share that out with you, David,
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.159
and then also put it in the, in the show notes
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:32.219
as well as there's a really good Jimmy Fallon
00:48:32.219 --> 00:48:35.800
clip that kind of, um, summarizes all four seasons
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.420
before season five. That is really, really fun.
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.559
Um, and you know, there's a million things I'm
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.539
sure that are fun, but so David, would you recommend
00:48:44.539 --> 00:48:46.280
the show or like, would you watch it in full?
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:54.030
I think I'll I probably wouldn't, but I'm having
00:48:54.030 --> 00:48:57.849
a hard time investing in long shows right now.
00:48:58.010 --> 00:49:02.230
I did just finish mids friend of the show Frazier,
00:49:02.250 --> 00:49:07.329
and that was very long, but I'll say that was
00:49:07.329 --> 00:49:09.809
very comforting. It was, you know, it's, it's
00:49:09.809 --> 00:49:12.650
a sitcom. I think that's what I'm looking for
00:49:12.650 --> 00:49:16.550
right now with new shows. And just not being
00:49:16.550 --> 00:49:20.030
a horror sci -fi guy, maybe not for me, but I
00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:24.849
do. totally understand why it's so big or why
00:49:24.849 --> 00:49:27.730
it's so such a phenomenon so for that reason
00:49:27.730 --> 00:49:30.630
i would recommend it to people in my life who
00:49:30.630 --> 00:49:34.190
have or anyone who has a proclivity toward maybe
00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:38.170
these kind of mystery box type of like very engaging
00:49:38.170 --> 00:49:43.670
shows for me personally i'm i'm uh what i'm watching
00:49:43.670 --> 00:49:47.170
these days is more i guess i i know this could
00:49:47.170 --> 00:49:50.530
be escapism too but i'm I'm looking to be I'll
00:49:50.530 --> 00:49:54.429
say I restarted Mad Men recently. So I'm 80s
00:49:54.429 --> 00:49:57.510
is too recent. I need to go into the 60s at this
00:49:57.510 --> 00:50:02.110
point. Yeah. How about you? Um, you know, I thought
00:50:02.110 --> 00:50:06.110
about this question as I was writing this. I,
00:50:06.389 --> 00:50:08.090
of course, I would recommend the show and watch
00:50:08.090 --> 00:50:09.969
it again. I have watched the first few seasons
00:50:09.969 --> 00:50:12.250
over and over again as the new seasons come out.
00:50:12.309 --> 00:50:15.199
If I was sitting here, though. and I have never
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.599
watched this show, and this is the only episode
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.519
I watched, I truly feel like I probably would
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:20.960
be like, I wouldn't watch this show. Because
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.719
it's not my vibe. I don't really like sci -fi.
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.139
I don't really like anything scary. I don't like
00:50:27.139 --> 00:50:29.800
things that are very far -fetched. I will say,
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:32.920
season one of this show, and this is where I
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.300
go back and forth with the sci -fi, is there
00:50:35.300 --> 00:50:37.940
are elements that make it seem like it could
00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:41.699
be real. It's far -fetched, but it's not like...
00:50:42.389 --> 00:50:44.510
Jurassic Park no not even Jurassic Park that's
00:50:44.510 --> 00:50:47.289
not a good one um you're like oh I guess that
00:50:47.289 --> 00:50:49.110
there's like these scientific things they talk
00:50:49.110 --> 00:50:51.130
about that like we really don't know and like
00:50:51.130 --> 00:50:56.010
maybe it's not like pure fake you know like I
00:50:56.010 --> 00:50:58.050
do like that and that's probably why I almost
00:50:58.050 --> 00:51:01.469
am inclined to like it I'll say like I don't
00:51:01.469 --> 00:51:03.829
really like superhero movies that's never been
00:51:03.829 --> 00:51:07.349
my thing I went to see the Batman with Joe like
00:51:07.739 --> 00:51:10.139
very early on in our relationship and I didn't
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:11.719
hate it because it was like a little bit of a
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.519
true crime twist to it right so I'm like I I
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.360
wouldn't say it's the first thing I'm gonna watch
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.760
but I don't hate it in like when it comes to
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.360
like that larger bucket of types of television
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.340
I have heard season one is very good. So I was
00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:28.639
thinking maybe I would feel differently had I
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.559
seen that. What you described kind of sounds
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.480
to me almost like an inverse of True Detective.
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.440
Because I think that first season of True Detective
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.420
was so interesting because there were some elements
00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:42.059
like, whoa, is this going to get into supernatural
00:51:42.059 --> 00:51:44.820
type territory? And it kind of teases with that.
00:51:44.900 --> 00:51:47.219
And what you're describing to me, it sounds like
00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:49.780
maybe it's the other way where it's like, is
00:51:49.780 --> 00:51:53.320
this just completely grounded? Yeah, absolutely.
00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:58.079
Heat thermometer? Sure, I'll give a quick heat
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.159
thermometer. For me, a solid, and this is solid,
00:52:01.300 --> 00:52:06.820
62, which I think fairly warm. I think it's well
00:52:06.820 --> 00:52:09.940
put together. Yeah, solid 62. How about you,
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:16.119
Krista? 85. 85, 1985. Is that when this takes
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:20.340
place? I don't know what the season does. I think
00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:22.179
the first season's in 83, so it's very possible.
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.739
So let's, let's do a quick rundown of the characters
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:28.079
of this show. Um, and I just have one more quick
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:33.440
question for you at the end, but David, so I,
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.239
I mean, we're just going to start from the top.
00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:39.920
I have a list of the characters. We're just,
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.480
we're just going to jump in. I'm actually going
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.800
to start. Um, we're going to start kind of backwards
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.340
with Starcourt since that was the last one we
00:52:45.340 --> 00:52:48.900
talked about. Erica Sinclair. Phenomenal. One
00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:51.260
of my favorite actresses in this entire show.
00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:54.179
She does great. I don't know if she's in anything
00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:57.460
else. Not much to talk about. Is this Maya Hawke?
00:52:58.219 --> 00:53:00.639
No, this is the little sister, Erica. Oh, Erica.
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.280
Yes, yes, yes. Oh, yeah, she's funny. Then you
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:08.920
have Dustin, the curly -haired guy, who... Also
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:16.559
love him. He has a... Some sort of cranial, like...
00:53:17.019 --> 00:53:19.900
I don't know. I don't know. But they wrote it
00:53:19.900 --> 00:53:22.079
into the show for him. So in real life, this
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.599
actor has this. And instead of like ignoring
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:27.840
it, they wrote it into the show. And that's why
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.119
he talks about how he has like he's like double
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.820
jointed or something like. And I love that. I
00:53:33.820 --> 00:53:35.599
just love that that carries him through a little
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.280
bit and that they like decided to take it as
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:40.739
it was instead of like, I don't know, making
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:43.639
it not happen. Oh, yeah. Maybe that's good for
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.219
like young people to see, to hear about. Robin
00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:49.860
who is Maya Hawke who is do you know you know
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:52.860
where her parents are yes I do Ethan Hawke and
00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:56.679
Uma Thurman yes so what's funny about this is
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:58.420
I've seen a lot of recent interviews with her
00:53:58.420 --> 00:54:01.920
and also Ethan Hawke where people are like oh
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.199
do you still get stopped on the street and he
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.820
said recently him And Maya were like walking
00:54:07.820 --> 00:54:10.199
down some street, like getting dinner or something.
00:54:10.539 --> 00:54:12.059
And somebody came up and was like, can I get
00:54:12.059 --> 00:54:14.480
a picture with you? And he was like, I'm not
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:15.739
doing pictures tonight. I'm just trying to like
00:54:15.739 --> 00:54:17.920
spend time with my daughter. And this person
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:19.519
was like, no, I don't want a picture with you.
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:21.519
I want a picture with Robin. And he was like,
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.780
it's like the first time that like, you know,
00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:26.679
she was getting more notice than me. I'm going
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:28.559
to give a little spoiler here. I think Robin,
00:54:28.699 --> 00:54:31.260
I'm probably going to get like, the Stranger
00:54:31.260 --> 00:54:33.199
Things universe is going to come for me. I think
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:35.320
Robin's character development was like so bad
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.789
in the show. um she's kind of angsty in this
00:54:38.789 --> 00:54:40.670
season and i love it like she's kind of like
00:54:40.670 --> 00:54:43.610
no bullshit i'm here i'm gonna be like and they
00:54:43.610 --> 00:54:46.550
make her seem like really i don't not dumb but
00:54:46.550 --> 00:54:50.530
like too like airy or like light i don't know
00:54:50.530 --> 00:54:52.309
like she doesn't have her seriousness past this
00:54:52.309 --> 00:54:56.989
and i don't know i just i don't love it i will
00:54:56.989 --> 00:54:58.730
say there is a scene in the season where she
00:54:58.730 --> 00:55:01.989
does come out to steve and that's a really great
00:55:01.989 --> 00:55:03.610
scene and i almost picked that episode because
00:55:03.610 --> 00:55:04.849
i thought there would be a lot to talk about
00:55:04.849 --> 00:55:10.940
but I chose not to for other reasons. There's
00:55:10.940 --> 00:55:12.780
other episodes in the show that I think we can
00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:15.719
talk about that. And then Steve Harrington, Joe
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.619
Keery, The Hair. Oh, yeah, yes, yes. Do you know
00:55:20.619 --> 00:55:23.820
the song, End of Beginning? Is this the one that's
00:55:23.820 --> 00:55:27.019
like... When I'm Back in Chicago? Yeah, yeah,
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:29.099
yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, so I recently
00:55:29.099 --> 00:55:33.059
found out he sings that. He's like the artist
00:55:33.059 --> 00:55:36.050
behind it. That's a wonderful song. beautiful
00:55:36.050 --> 00:55:40.650
song um yeah so those are those four where do
00:55:40.650 --> 00:55:42.989
you rate chicago what do you mean where do i
00:55:42.989 --> 00:55:46.110
rate it do you think it's like a top five city
00:55:46.110 --> 00:55:49.030
in the united states probably for most i don't
00:55:49.030 --> 00:55:51.510
know i mean i don't think it's top five in the
00:55:51.510 --> 00:55:55.630
cities i visited but that's not oh yeah actually
00:55:55.630 --> 00:55:58.469
let me ask like favorite cities where does it
00:55:58.469 --> 00:56:02.019
rank for you That I have to get back to. I mean,
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:03.900
some of my favorite cities that I've been to
00:56:03.900 --> 00:56:05.780
right off the bat is I do love San Francisco.
00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:09.840
I loved Omaha, Nebraska. Big fan of Cleveland.
00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:15.599
Believeland. Washington, D .C. It's pretty high
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:19.420
up there for me. But I don't know if I can give
00:56:19.420 --> 00:56:21.179
Chicago number five. I mean, obviously I love
00:56:21.179 --> 00:56:24.840
Buffalo, but it's not a clear number five, but
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:27.639
it's not not. So it's not a Mambo number five.
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.199
I would say it's like a second. Nope. I would
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.800
say it's like second tier for me, but not in
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.380
a bad way. Okay. Yeah. You've, you've been to
00:56:36.380 --> 00:56:38.940
a lot of cities. I haven't been to that many.
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:44.059
I haven't traveled the U S as extensively. Chicago
00:56:44.059 --> 00:56:47.880
for me, I think is my favorite city that I haven't
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.719
lived in or adjacent to. Yeah. Also I'll say
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.260
I was only there for like two nights or two days
00:56:55.260 --> 00:56:57.119
and it was winter. So we were very limited on
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.760
what we did. i still loved it i still thought
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:02.539
like i would never not go back there because
00:57:02.539 --> 00:57:05.400
it was winter um i'd like to get back there and
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.199
like explore a little bit more but yeah i did
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.539
go in the spring and it was i had a wonderful
00:57:11.539 --> 00:57:14.880
time outside still a little little chilly okay
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:19.599
yes that's a great song is he do any other music
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.179
yeah i would look him up on spotify but he's
00:57:22.179 --> 00:57:24.519
killing the spotify charts right now what's his
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:29.500
name It's spelled D -J -O, which I thought was
00:57:29.500 --> 00:57:33.699
D -Joe, until one of my younger coworkers was
00:57:33.699 --> 00:57:35.760
like, you know, it's just Joe, right? And I was
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.179
like, oh, of course it is. Friend of the show,
00:57:38.340 --> 00:57:42.460
Joe. Friend of the show, Joe. The other four,
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:44.139
we're going to keep with some of the younger
00:57:44.139 --> 00:57:47.519
ones. We have Will Byers, who's played by Noah
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:50.500
Schnapp, the bowl cut boy. Is he the problematic
00:57:50.500 --> 00:57:53.300
one? Don't they have a few cast members that
00:57:53.300 --> 00:57:55.900
have said some, like, wild stuff? I don't know.
00:57:56.360 --> 00:58:01.300
I believe it. Okay. Mike Wheeler, Finn Wolfhard.
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:04.579
He's probably one of my least favorite characters
00:58:04.579 --> 00:58:07.820
in the show. It's kind of annoying to me. I'm
00:58:07.820 --> 00:58:09.559
going to look up what some of these people look
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.659
like. Yeah. Oh, Finn Wolfhard. He's the one I
00:58:13.659 --> 00:58:15.860
was saying with the longer hair, yeah. Yeah.
00:58:16.820 --> 00:58:20.639
Lucas Sinclair, also great. And then Millie Bobby
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.480
Brown plays Eleven. I think she's probably one
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.619
of the actors and actresses in the show that,
00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:28.630
like, Her career has really taken off since being
00:58:28.630 --> 00:58:30.409
in this. She's been in a lot of other stuff now.
00:58:30.670 --> 00:58:33.090
She has a makeup brand. She's married, too. Do
00:58:33.090 --> 00:58:35.929
you know who she's married to? Oh, yes. Her husband,
00:58:36.130 --> 00:58:39.869
it's John Bon Jovi's son, right? Yeah, or is
00:58:39.869 --> 00:58:43.389
it his son or grandson? No, he's not that. I
00:58:43.389 --> 00:58:46.250
don't know. But either way, John Bon Jovi. So
00:58:46.250 --> 00:58:48.610
now I think her name is actually Millie Bonnie
00:58:48.610 --> 00:58:54.409
Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi, I think, is how they... That's
00:58:54.409 --> 00:58:56.670
not, I'm not joking. I think it's. Oh, I believe
00:58:56.670 --> 00:59:00.690
that. I see Finn Wolfhard does music too. Yes,
00:59:00.690 --> 00:59:06.329
he does. Okay. Who else do we have on this cast?
00:59:07.050 --> 00:59:10.269
Jonathan Byers and Nancy Wheeler. So they're
00:59:10.269 --> 00:59:15.210
played by Charlie Keaton and Natalia Dyer. Fun
00:59:15.210 --> 00:59:18.449
fact, they, those actors are dating in real life.
00:59:18.949 --> 00:59:22.780
Whoa. They're stunt doubles. met on the show
00:59:22.780 --> 00:59:26.960
and got married as well. And their voice actors
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.320
in two different languages are also currently
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:34.579
dating. Isn't that crazy? Two different languages?
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:37.659
Yeah, like the voice actors for two different
00:59:37.659 --> 00:59:39.440
languages for the show. Then they like recorded
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:45.019
it. Wow. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. And
00:59:45.019 --> 00:59:47.380
then we've got, I mean, I forgot, I'm sorry.
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:49.900
I almost forgot Max Mayfield, Billy Hargrove.
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.360
played by Sadie Sink, and I don't know how to
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.800
say his first name, Dacre. Dacre? D -A -C -R
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:04.139
-E. Montgomery. As well as the last two, probably
01:00:04.139 --> 01:00:08.000
the biggest two before the show, Jim Hopper and
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.300
Joyce Byers, played by David Harbour and Winona
01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:13.840
Ryder. This show, I love Hopper. I know he's
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.820
in some hot... Water right now? What did he do?
01:00:17.260 --> 01:00:20.199
Okay, I know he was married to Lily Allen. Yeah.
01:00:20.980 --> 01:00:25.960
Lily Allen. Remember that? No, I don't. I think
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:28.500
like in some of her songs or music videos, there
01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:30.400
would be a little voice that would say Lily Allen.
01:00:31.659 --> 01:00:36.039
I don't really know a lot about her. She was,
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:41.840
you know, a musician from England. She also just
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.659
came out with a new album. Yes. um but they're
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:48.039
not they're in the middle of a pretty nasty divorce
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:50.679
so a lot of accusation accusations have been
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:55.320
kind of thrown both ways um also though i believe
01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:56.840
that there's been some pretty i know there's
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:58.659
been some accusations against him and some like
01:00:58.659 --> 01:01:00.840
sexist like he's maybe been accused of being
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.579
sexist okay and maybe some like weird sexual
01:01:05.579 --> 01:01:08.340
harassment stuff but what i've also heard is
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:10.099
that like she's being accused of some of the
01:01:10.099 --> 01:01:12.840
sexual harassment stuff too by like other females
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.659
and to be clear this is what we've heard yeah
01:01:16.659 --> 01:01:20.239
i don't know media yeah i have no idea honestly
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:22.599
honestly like haven't even really looked into
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.860
it um i just know that like when it comes to
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:29.119
this show specifically i think he's a great actor
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.340
and he is one of my favorites on the show um
01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:34.980
i did read once that him and millie bobby brown
01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:38.099
also had some issues on set of like a bullying
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:42.400
situation i think oh wow I don't know what, when,
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.780
where it was years ago. She speaks quite fondly
01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:49.619
of him now, but I mean, I don't know. Um, and
01:01:49.619 --> 01:01:53.179
then I've known a writer who is goofy in the
01:01:53.179 --> 01:01:57.400
show and like, it's fine. Yeah. Like I, she annoyed
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.340
me more in season one, but like, I don't know.
01:02:00.380 --> 01:02:03.400
She grows on me and she grows on you and she's
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.219
just a classic person. I think. Yeah. I grew
01:02:06.219 --> 01:02:10.730
up watching movies with her and I just, I think
01:02:10.730 --> 01:02:12.789
she has such a magnetic presence. I've always
01:02:12.789 --> 01:02:15.110
thought that. I missed seeing her in things,
01:02:15.190 --> 01:02:18.230
so I was happy that this was kind of a comeback
01:02:18.230 --> 01:02:21.309
for her. I get the sense that she just really
01:02:21.309 --> 01:02:23.710
loved, or I don't know how she felt about doing
01:02:23.710 --> 01:02:25.690
the show. Maybe she was over it by the end, but
01:02:25.690 --> 01:02:30.030
is she doing other movies? The last thing I saw
01:02:30.030 --> 01:02:34.690
her in was the movie where her character and
01:02:34.690 --> 01:02:37.880
Keanu Reeves' character... are on their way to
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:39.960
a wedding, but then there's a planes, trains,
01:02:40.019 --> 01:02:42.599
automobile type situation where they're traveling
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:44.760
together. It looked cute. I didn't see it, but
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.780
it looked cute. I don't know. I will say, one
01:02:49.780 --> 01:02:53.719
character that's in this episode who we don't
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:57.619
really talk about, super small role, who I absolutely
01:02:57.619 --> 01:02:59.940
love, one of my top characters in the show, is
01:02:59.940 --> 01:03:02.599
Karen Wheeler. I have to shout it out because...
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.579
she is just awesome I know you don't get her
01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:07.539
at all in this episode and it makes me so sad
01:03:07.539 --> 01:03:09.719
I just when I just rewatched the whole series
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.840
probably in the middle of season two I said something
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.039
to Joan I was like Karen Wheeler she is she's
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.940
a badass I like her and by the end of season
01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:20.840
five her role ramps up and she's just awesome
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.159
and I don't know there's just there's even like
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:25.719
a little moment between her and Minona Ryder
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:28.760
where you're like yeah this like makes sense
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.099
like this is a full circle show and just like
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.500
I don't know. They do those small moments really
01:03:33.500 --> 01:03:35.719
well sometimes, which I think sometimes shows
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:40.199
miss, but. A lot of lore. Big cast. I mean, I
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:42.739
would wonder if their budget also had any reason
01:03:42.739 --> 01:03:45.320
for them like wrapping up at season five. It's
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:46.960
going to be insane to pay all these cast members.
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:51.159
I am interested in, I mean, I know we've talked
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.559
about this a little bit, but Netflix as a phenomenon
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.440
in TV. Yeah. I think in an earlier episode, we
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.500
talked about just how much they. put into promoting
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:03.699
this show maybe at the expense of shows that
01:04:03.699 --> 01:04:06.159
already existed i wanted to share one thing when
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.260
this show came out in 2016 i think the biggest
01:04:09.260 --> 01:04:13.380
show netflix had was house of cards and oh my
01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:16.260
god yeah when i was watching this season three
01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:21.480
episode for the for our show i was just this
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:24.360
show looks very good it looks like there's a
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.579
lot of money put into it that first season of
01:04:26.579 --> 01:04:29.400
house of cards did not look i mean i don't know
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.860
if you've revisited it i haven't but i just remember
01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:35.320
there was a time for me when i would be like
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:39.260
oh a netflix show it's gonna look not like up
01:04:39.260 --> 01:04:42.579
to the standards of television and they came
01:04:42.579 --> 01:04:45.960
a long way really quickly and uh when i think
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:50.210
the story of television is written I mean, maybe
01:04:50.210 --> 01:04:52.530
in a lot of ways, Netflix will be kind of responsible
01:04:52.530 --> 01:04:57.530
for that story coming to an end. But they really
01:04:57.530 --> 01:05:00.809
did change the game in a lot of ways. Yeah, I'd
01:05:00.809 --> 01:05:02.530
be so curious to see what the budget for the
01:05:02.530 --> 01:05:05.489
show was like. I will say I did recently read
01:05:05.489 --> 01:05:08.429
that there's a lot of CGI on this show at all.
01:05:08.610 --> 01:05:12.110
Like a lot of there's like a later villain and
01:05:12.110 --> 01:05:14.869
even like the mind flayer. A lot of that is like.
01:05:15.750 --> 01:05:19.250
Like they put the money. Yeah. Into it. And I
01:05:19.250 --> 01:05:22.530
do think that like, it does make you question
01:05:22.530 --> 01:05:25.809
a, how it makes the whole show look like, is
01:05:25.809 --> 01:05:28.710
it that much more real? And also it's got to
01:05:28.710 --> 01:05:31.449
be different to act that way. Probably helps,
01:05:31.489 --> 01:05:34.869
you know, like, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I can't
01:05:34.869 --> 01:05:36.550
imagine trying to be scared of something that's
01:05:36.550 --> 01:05:39.070
quite literally not there. Which I think is a
01:05:39.070 --> 01:05:42.639
huge problem in a lot of those. superhero movies
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.539
that we were talking about and star wars i think
01:05:45.539 --> 01:05:49.960
uh yeah you're right i i really like mechanical
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.840
practical effects i think there's just a real
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:57.119
earthiness and you could tell that the the characters
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.760
on screen and their actors are interacting with
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.800
it in a real way absolutely now david we've come
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.139
to the end of this episode i did ask you to look
01:06:05.139 --> 01:06:09.059
up the montauk project could you give us a quick
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.079
just a little synopsis because i've heard a lot
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.500
of things um basically for listeners folks have
01:06:15.500 --> 01:06:19.300
said that stranger things it's like very loosely
01:06:19.300 --> 01:06:23.579
based on this idea of some some some things going
01:06:23.579 --> 01:06:26.940
on in montauk so i'm gonna i'd love to hear more
01:06:26.940 --> 01:06:29.440
so i'll say some things that you probably already
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:31.800
know because i get the sense that you've researched
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:35.000
this But our audience, it may be new to them.
01:06:35.019 --> 01:06:38.059
Montauk was actually nearly the title for Stranger
01:06:38.059 --> 01:06:40.840
Things. And the Duffer brothers were really interested
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:45.699
in Montauk conspiracies that maybe that site,
01:06:45.860 --> 01:06:49.260
which was it in Indiana Montauk or is it? No,
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:52.460
I think it was in like on Long Island. On Long
01:06:52.460 --> 01:06:54.719
Island. That's right. Yes. So there were a couple
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:58.059
books written about it. And it's written in kind
01:06:58.059 --> 01:07:02.730
of a way that fuses narrative fiction with. I
01:07:02.730 --> 01:07:04.690
guess basically the authors were saying these
01:07:04.690 --> 01:07:06.929
were repressed memories they had that are coming
01:07:06.929 --> 01:07:10.030
to light. And it has to do with time travel.
01:07:10.250 --> 01:07:13.630
It has to do with government military experiments.
01:07:14.869 --> 01:07:17.869
And I read a little thing. It was like, whether
01:07:17.869 --> 01:07:20.150
this is presented as fiction or not, it's very
01:07:20.150 --> 01:07:22.909
captivating writing. So I'm forgetting the name
01:07:22.909 --> 01:07:27.309
of the books. But yes, that's my impression of
01:07:27.309 --> 01:07:31.429
the Montauk. conspiracy but yes i did read the
01:07:31.429 --> 01:07:34.690
duffer brothers loosely adapted elements of that
01:07:34.690 --> 01:07:37.989
for stranger things yeah i'd love to look into
01:07:37.989 --> 01:07:40.510
it a little bit more um it's kind of fun when
01:07:40.510 --> 01:07:42.690
you have something again like the show which
01:07:42.690 --> 01:07:46.469
feels so fake that's like are there these elements
01:07:46.469 --> 01:07:49.829
of truth that started it um i mean we'll never
01:07:49.829 --> 01:07:52.289
really know what happened in montauk but on the
01:07:52.289 --> 01:07:56.659
real like i think that every government conspiracy
01:07:56.659 --> 01:08:02.079
has some shred of truth um and if you think about
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:05.920
the cold war and the idea of russians maybe beating
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:10.820
us to time travel or beating us to mind possessiveness
01:08:10.820 --> 01:08:14.320
controlling the mind like i think it's foolish
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:16.720
to think that we weren't doing certain things
01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:18.500
now i'm not saying the experiments were maybe
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as violent or scary or maybe even as successful
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as the things that are depicted in Stranger Things.
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But, you know, I wonder if our lifetime will
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ever learn more about what that is. I'll say
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in my research on Montauk, I saw that it was
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a frequent topic of discussion on a radio program
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called Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. I don't
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know if you've heard of this, but it was a radio
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show and it would air like wherever you were,
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like between 1 and 5 a .m. And it was a call
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in show. So people would call in to share their
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paranormal experiences and things like that.
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So very. I don't know. Now that sort of thing,
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I think you see it all over TikTok and YouTube,
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but there was a time where to get that sort of
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content, you really had to be up at nine. It
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appealed to a very specific, a specific type
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of person who's up that late, maybe from insomnia,
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maybe from working, but definitely an interesting
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time. So listener, if you've heard of that program.
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Write us in. And as always, you can reach us.
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And whether it's for this or to get upset with
01:09:27.789 --> 01:09:31.189
Krista for her take about Robin's character development,
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some fun stuff up there in the next few days
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after this episode comes out about Stranger Things.
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episodes you want us to talk about. Real quick.
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Uh, I wrote down on my notes, stranger ting tings.
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Do you remember that band? The ting tings? Yes.
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Remember that's not my name. That's not my name.
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I couldn't remember the song off the top of my
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head. They call me Stacy. Yeah. They call me
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Stacy. Yeah. What if every line in that song
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was just Stacy? What if, what if the women in
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that song were the same were they somehow knew
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the women in the song Mambo No. 5 by Lou Bega.
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Oh, I love that. It's like a wormhole. Also,
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this show could have been called Don't Trust
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the... Monster in Apartment B? Apartment 23.
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Also, quick shout -outs. This show's in Indiana.
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Indiana University, the Indiana Hoosiers. are
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on the verge of potentially winning the college
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:14.859
football playoff, the national championship.
01:11:15.020 --> 01:11:19.079
When this show premiered in 2016, they had a
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6 -7 record. They were truly one of the bottom
01:11:21.779 --> 01:11:24.439
dwellers. I mean, not that year, but perennially
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:26.500
a bottom dweller in college football. And they
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might, well, by the time you listen to this,
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they might have won the national championship.
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So I'm just so excited for them. I love them.
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Big college football guy. um but with that krista
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do you want to let the audience know what we
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are reviewing next i think we're gonna wait we'll
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save it we're gonna save it all right thank you
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so much everybody take care