Father Malone's Weekly Roundup - News & Nonsense

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Thank you.
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HB's in the house. Hey, everybody. It's HB. I guess
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we're going to do the news. This is a new segment,
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I guess we all do now, weekly. So, I'm good.
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How are you?
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I'm doing great. Picture, I'm at the table. I've got
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an old school newspaper in front of me, flipped out.
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My feet are up. Hey, Father Malone, let's talk news.
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It's a fireside chat for the 21st century. Indeed. We're
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going to read the comics to you, quite literally.
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Page by page. All right.
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HB, number one in the news. Gal Gadot got tricked
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by James Gunn. Can you believe it?
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You're referring to how she received the news that she
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was fired from the DCU?
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Well, she's also bitching that she met with them and
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they were like, oh, we're totally going to do Wonder
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Woman 3. She's like, I can't believe they did that.
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As if that isn't the... the modus operandi of every
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studio forever. We are definitely making this movie.
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Oh yeah. It's a go. It's a go. It's a lock.
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Are you kidding me? Now here's the thing. Like I,
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the first Wonder Woman was fine. I didn't think it
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was the earth shattering sea change that everyone said it
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was at the time. I thought it was perfectly fine.
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It had a terrible ending, terrible villain, but it was good. Whatever.
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The second one was crap. It was just, Utter horseshit.
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I think you can agree with me on that.
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It's about wishes, and the finale includes everyone on Earth
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giving their wish back, including small children. I'm sure they
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were totally convinced by Wonder Woman to do that.
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It's hard for me to imagine, given the reduction in quality,
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that she was totally blindsided. By the news that, hey,
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you know what? We're not going to move forward with
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Wonder Woman. Sorry, that's just the breaks. James Gunn's here,
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and what are you going to do? And she also
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makes reference to the Henry situation.
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Yeah, as if they had anything to do with that. Like,
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they were cleaning house. He was going. And then fucking
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Dwayne Johnson stuck his nose in and said, we're bringing
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him back. And they were like, no, don't do that.
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It's not Henry Cavill's fault that he was... chosen to
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be in those terrible movies. Because they are bad, make
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no mistake. Man of Steel is bad. Batman v. Superman
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is bad.
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I'm no fan of either of those flicks. I think
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he's a good Superman.
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Yeah. That's no reflection on him.
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He....
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It's not his fault. This is like the Good Will
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Hunting thing. I feel like, you know, grabbing Henry Cavill
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and saying, it's not your fault. Another set of filmmakers,
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another set of circumstances, he would still be Superman.
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There's a slew of Superman who deserved better. Brandon Routh
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before him. Christopher Reeve before him.
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That sometimes goes unmentioned. The fact that Superman... Talk about
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Superman 3. As fond as I am of it, because
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I saw it in the theater as a little kid,
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it's not a good movie.
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It's utter garbage.
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4 is... Beneath that somehow... Yeah, it did. It was
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a race to the bottom.
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Nuclear Man, with Gene Hackman's voice, everybody.
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Shadow Stevens.
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Was that Shadow Stevens?
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No, it looked a lot like him, though. I had
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you for a second.
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I totally believe Shadow Stevens was Nuclear Man.
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But you're right, though. We all talk about how Henry
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Cavill was done dirty and this and that. Christopher Reeve
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beat them all.
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Well, the fourth film is his fault.
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True. That was his idea, right? The nuclear disarmament?
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And then he trusted Canon Films to deliver a high-budget
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Superman movie? Are you crazy?
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I love that Canon documentary that came out a bunch
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of years ago. Was it called Electric Boogaloo?
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Probably. Yes, I remember it. Yeah, no, that's a good one.
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The Canon one's good. That Australian one is good.
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Yeah, not quite Hollywood.
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Not quite Hollywood. What a good movie.
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Great.
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HB, in other news, news that concerns us because we're
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constantly on a fest, on an away mission, the new
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Star Trek movie. John Francis Daly and his partner, whose
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name I can't remember because he wasn't in Freaks and Geeks,
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are writing the next step in Star Trek.
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They are, and they're focusing on Starfleet. A deep look
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at Starfleet.
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Yeah, and it sounds like they haven't watched any Star
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Trek at all since Next Generation. That's what it sounds
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like to me with what they're talking about. They're like, well,
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we're going to take a look at, you know, there's
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some bad apples in Starfleet. I'm like, that's every other
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movie is a bad moral. What are you talking about,
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you dummies?
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That was literally the plot of Star Trek Into Darkness,
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such as it is. which is there's a lot of
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bad apples in Starfleet. Peter Weller's character, number one. I
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don't know. It felt a little bit like, hey, this
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is news of some upcoming news that we have for you.
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Like there's really not a lot to grab onto at
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this point.
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There is, though, because all Star Trek fans are kind
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of in free fall right now because we don't know
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what's going to happen because that new regime has, you know,
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decided that they want Star Trek to be more acceptable
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to a wider audience. Now, I will agree that Star Trek,
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on occasion, really climbs up its own ass and leaves
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potential fans scratching their head about where to begin. So
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I can see trying to do an all-are-welcome type movie,
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but setting it in the far, far future, are they
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attempting to next-generation us? Because we've done that. Discovery already
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did that. We've already gone before the original series as well.
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How about something in the next-generation timeline, you fucking idiots,
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like we all want?
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It is an interesting conundrum, though, when you really stop
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and think about it. Because this is... It's always Star
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Wars versus Star Trek, right? And I think you and
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I can agree that the far nerdier audience of which
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we are members is the Star Trek audience. Because Star Wars.
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It's harder sci-fi. It's a science fiction show, not a
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space opera show.
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Correct. And Star Wars is so much more part of
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the pop culture firmament that people who haven't maybe seen
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the last three or four movies... still know who Darth
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Vader is, or Chewbacca, or Han Solo, but not everybody's
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going to know who Captain Pike is, or some obscure
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Klingon that might be known to us, like John Leverick
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from Star Trek III. There's a little Easter egg for
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you Star Trek Fest fans out there. But it's a
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fine line they're walking here, and I do, the way
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you put it, I do kind of feel for them
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a little bit, because how do you make it welcoming
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without alienating that core nerd audience like us that's been
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keeping it alive for decades?
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And they bring up the fact that the television shows
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are as cinematic as can be at this point. If
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you watch the latest season of Strange New Worlds, puppet
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episode aside, and that whole debate, like, the effects are
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as good as anything I've seen in any of the
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Star Trek movies in any random episode I'm talking so
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to justify making a Star Trek feature film you have
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to have a level of spectacle now it sounds like
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the path that they're choosing is Crimson Tide it sounds
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like they're doing a in real time thriller that delves
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into Starfleet it sounds like a mess.
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See, you're saying that, and I'm thinking to myself, I
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would go see that. That's something I haven't seen. I mean,
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what you're describing is basically the cat-and-mouse dogfight from Star
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Trek II.
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Oh, yeah, no. That kind of movie could be great,
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but this idea that these guys who don't seem to
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know what they're talking about are talking about the greater
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implications on Starfleet gives me pause. If you guys just
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want to give us Starfleet members fucking stabbing each other
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and trying to wrest in control of one ship for
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two hours. I'm down with that, man. Obviously, a dogfight
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naval battle situation is a better scenario, but I'm also
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good with a bottle episode of a movie if it's grand.
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You could, for lack of a better term, you could
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reskin Crimson Tide. I could see it easily working as
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a Star Trek movie. I don't know how deep you
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go into the Starfleet intrigue if that's the case, because
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the action is limited to should be limited just to
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the to the ship in question. Right. But that could
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be that could be. really interesting i haven't seen that
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and that would actually be something that might bring in
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a wider audience because they can understand the the framework.
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So it's basically if i have to predict i i
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guarantee you it is the same scenario as Crimson Tide,
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where whatever this ship is that they've chosen, the USS
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whatever the fuck, has been ordered to fire or do
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some militaristic thing. And now there's this debate amongst things like,
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what are we? Are we explorers? Are we military? The
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same debate we've been having in Starfleet since fucking 66.
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These guys are going to unravel in their two-hour, real-time,
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probably shaky cam version of Star Trek.
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That would also have made an amazing episode of the
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original series or Next Gen. If they're isolated, they get
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some kind of garbled order, they're not sure if it
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means firing on the Klingon homeworld or something else, and
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they can't communicate, and they have to figure out, what
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do we do? That actually gets me kind of excited.
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I know it's not going to be that.
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Oh, it is going to be that. I mean, I
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guarantee you that's what we're getting. And that's fine. I
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like the idea of the plot of that, and I
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like the idea of introducing characters that way. If they're
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smart at all, they will hire some massive star to
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be the captain and then kill him at the end
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of the movie and then leave the rest of the
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crew to continue the adventures. That's what I would do anyway.
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Do you know what I read recently?
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What did you read?
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It's the making of Mars Attacks, but the making of
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the screenplay of Mars Attacks. So it's basically like an
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extended interview with Jonathan Gems, the screenwriter. And it's super weird.
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And the more you read, the more he tries to
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take credit for everything, the more it becomes evident that
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anything good about that movie had nothing to do with
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Jonathan Gems. It was like the worst idea he could
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have done was sit down for this interview.
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So it was like one of these conversations with type
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of books?
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Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, an oral history if you
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only had one participant. Ah.
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That's an interesting way to describe it. I don't know.
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I've been watching Ted Lasso. It's okay.
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I still haven't jumped in. You know, because I don't
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have Apple or whatever the fuck it's on.
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The last couple of seasons got very, very much into
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the melodrama, and it To me, that just turned me
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right off.
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It had a rather definitive ending, I thought, with season three.
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It did. It did. He went back to America to
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be with his son and maybe try to salvage a
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relationship with his divorced wife. Everybody, you know, people got married.
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The AFC Richmond was under new coaching. And it was,
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I think, what's his name? Who's the... Brett Goldstein's character.
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Roy Kent. I think he was going to be the coach.
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I don't know. Just to undo all of that. Having
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said that, though, the one thing that they did that
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really can't help but endear them to people, certainly to me,
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is that this is all about their efforts to make
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a women's football team. Oh, okay. Which is really nice
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because It gives a lot of great female actors a
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lot to do. And they're really funny. And the storylines
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are somewhat engaging so far. But like you just said,
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they ended it already.
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Yeah.
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It's hard to get away from the feeling that you're
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going back to the well one too many times.
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Oh, I finished Battlestar Galactica finally. Finally.
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Finally. Yeah, man.
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There are a couple of tangential movies that were produced
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as the series was progressing, like little addenda, like, here's
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what was happening in this ship kind of movies. And
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I have not watched those yet, but I don't give
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a fuck. I made it through 80 episodes of Battlestar Galactica.
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Pretty quick time, too. Maybe a month, maybe?
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Yeah, it was way too expedient. It seemed like if
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I wasn't at the computer working on a podcast or
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chasing people around as a monster, I was fucking watching
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Battlestar Galactica.
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Right. So you didn't have it on in the background.
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You were actively watching it.
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Yeah, no, because I hadn't engaged with it before. But, yeah,
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thank God it's done. I don't mean that, like, it
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was bad or anything. I'm just glad to be waking,
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breathing human being again and no longer aboard the Galactica
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and worried about who's a Cylon and not.
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Right. Well, it's, I mean, no show or no viewing
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experience should feel like you're doing homework or should feel
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like a chore. I'm not suggesting that it felt like
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a chore to you, but it felt like you were
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ready to be done with it.
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I was grinding at the end. I was like, just
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let's keep going. I don't care what time it is.
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We're going to fucking do this.
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Let's get through this. Let's power through.
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And I'm ultimately, obviously, listeners, I'm doing this because we're
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going to start reviewing the show, sort of not episode
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by episode, but a couple of episodes at a time,
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starting in January, I believe. And if you haven't seen
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the series and want to, I highly encourage it. It's
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one of the best series I've ever seen, honestly, so.
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There you go. Plug, plug, future plug. I'm announcing news
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of news, HB. It's a fucking trend.
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What I tried to watch the other day.
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What was that?
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I don't know why.
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1776. I tried to watch that recently, too. Are you serious?
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Six months ago, I was looking.
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This was maybe two months ago for me.
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Yeah, I realized I had never really sat down and
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watched it, and I thought, now's the time, damn it.
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Me, too. Yeah.
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I didn't get far.
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I couldn't even get through the first ten minutes. But, man,
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how am I going to get... Because... That might explain
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why I wasn't really a big fan of Hamilton. Well,
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you know what?
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I got to say, like, if you stack them next
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to each other, because I haven't really seen Hamilton beginning
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to end either. I've seen clips and songs.
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You didn't see it when it was... It was on
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Disney Plus during the pandemic.
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No, I did not watch it then. So.
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My experience with it is limited, but if you put
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a trailer for either musical next to one another, I'm
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going with Hamilton. Watching these fuddy old theatrical actors just
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prancing around singing throwback type Broadway songs. No, I'm okay.
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William Daniels was in that cast.
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I know. He's the only person I think I recognize
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in the cast. I keep thinking, oh, well, William Daniels
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is in it. That should be interesting. And then I,
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10 minutes, I'm like, no.
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Yeah, it's so funny that we both kind of still
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trying to hammer away at some of these movies and
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not making any headway.
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It's like Zappa, man.
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It's like Zappa. We talked about the kinks the other day.
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Keep fucking banging our heads against the wall in certain media,
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certain fucking entertainments.
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But when has that ever worked? Like, when have you
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ever had that breakthrough?
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I had that breakthrough with the movie Pennies from Heaven,
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the Steve Martin film.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I thought you always liked that movie.
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No. I fucking hated that movie when I saw it.
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And then I was like, I'm going to give it
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another chance. And I went, ah, I hate this movie.
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And then, you know, five, ten years later, I watched
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it again. And then I was like, oh, wait a minute.
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I'm kind of supposed to hate everybody. And then I
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re-watched it again, and then now it's one of my
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favorite movies. Now I finally came around to the movie's
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point of view rather than trying to force my own
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on it.
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That's fair. That proves that it can be done. It's
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not just some Sisyphean task where the football keeps getting
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yanked away from you just as you're about to kick it.
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You can make headway eventually.
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Plus there's a scene where Steve Martin... sings with bernadette
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peters and jessica harper and they're lip-syncing a song called
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life's a bowl of cherries and jessica harper's the most
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adorable thing in the universe during that scene i think
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i might have seen that sequence and maybe that's why
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i kept giving the movie a chance like like i
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needed to justify that scene in my head like the
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rest of the movie had to be good.
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No that's that's fair that's so i guess this is
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why we keep doing what we.
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Do By singing, I should say lip-syncing. Everyone lip-syncs in
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Ladies from Heaven. There's no actual singing going on.
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Well, did you ever see One from the Heart?
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I did see One from the Heart. That's another one
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I kept trying for years and years to marinate in
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and try and figure out a pathway to appreciate it.
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And while the filmmaking is bonkers crazy cool... And that
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soundstage is beyond fucking amazing. And look, I live in
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Las Vegas, and I want to live in that Las Vegas.
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With all that being said, the most boring boomer breakup
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story of all time.
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Was that the first of Coppola's bankruptcies, where he had
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to then like, do another Godfather to pay for that
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passion project?
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Was that the first? Yeah, well, no, that was. I mean,
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it was rather famously, like, what kind of destroyed American Zoetrope,
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and then he had to become a director for hire
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for the entirety of the 1980s, it seemed, you know?
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Although that gave us fucking Tucker, and it gave us...
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Peggy Sue Got Married, man. I love those movies.
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A good filmmaker, it doesn't mean that every movie they
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make is going to be terrible. If they're that good,
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they should be able to enliven any project they're given
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if it's got quality to it.
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I'll watch Peggy Sue Got Married right now.
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It's a good one.
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I'll watch Tucker right now. I love both those movies.
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The biggest problem I have with Peggy Sue Got Married, though,
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is the old age makeup. On Nick Cage at the end.
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Oh, no, I love that old age makeup on Nick Cage.
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I hate it. Because he's so young in that movie.
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Yeah.
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And it's just so obvious that they just made him
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up to look like... It just looks bad.
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Crazy Charlie.
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What was he? He's like... Oh, no. I'll go broke. No, no.
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He tried to rewrite, she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooh, ooh, ooh.
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She loves you, ooh, ooh, ooh.
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He couldn't even get that far. He was so mired
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in the past.
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Basically, it's a time travel movie, but with.
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No consequences.
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They did it so smartly. There's no technology. She gets
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hit on the head, basically, right? Yeah. There's some doubt
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as to whether she's actually gone back in time, but
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you don't need a DeLorean to have a clever, interesting,
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passionate movie about time, or about going back and righting
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the wrongs or trying to.
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And it's a time travel movie where no one is
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worried about getting back right right right there's no level
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of panic in the movie it's just like okay well
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i'm gonna see where this goes the.
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Sweetest thing about that movie is when peggy sue gets
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to see her grandfather again and she's just so.
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No it's she hears her grandmother on the phone.
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That's what it is. That's what it is. But the
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grandfather helps her get back to her own time, though. Oh, yeah.
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You know? And what is it?
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It's like the fucking Kiwanis or something.
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Exactly. Like the water buffalo or something.
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The loyal order of water buffalo sends her back through time.
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I love that it's like just a coincidence, but they
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think they did it. Like, hey, it worked. Give me
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a beer. good movie I want to watch that now
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right that's a great flick it is a.
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Great movie and it's you know on first glance you
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don't think of it as a Coppola movie because he
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was a director for hire you're absolutely right he did
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um what was that um that that Matt Damon movie
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with Danny DeVito.
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The fucking Rainmaker great.
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Fucking movie yeah you need to make this has to
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be like a little thing on Coppola maybe.
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The unsung Coppola films, because everyone talks about Godfather and
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Apocalypse Now.
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Sure. I mean, they're bad. I mean, need I mention Jack?
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That was a Coppola movie.
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That is a dreadful Coppola movie.
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Terrible.
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I was so disappointed in him, because that came on
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the heels of Peggy Sue Got Married.
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Yeah. Robin Williams. Who's the... Who was that actress who
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was in that, and she was also in The Freshman?
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She was in Adventures in Babysitting.
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It's got like a flower name or something.
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Like a three-word name.
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Penelope Ann Miller.
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She was in everything for that period of time.
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You know who never shuts up about her? Quentin Tarantino.
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Seriously?
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Yeah. Why? I think he is completely in love with her. Yeah,
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I don't know. I forget, was there a performance where
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they focused solely on her feet for a good five minutes?
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Because that would all make sense.
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Yeah, was there a scene in Adventures in Babysitting where
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she falls asleep in the airport or the train station?
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And someone steals her shoes. They keep showing her feet
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getting dirtier and dirtier as the movie goes on, just
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as a joke. But it wasn't a joke for Quentin.
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that is so funny Penelope Ann Miller yeah I don't
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know I saw him talking about Carlito's Way oh yeah
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and she is terrifically miscast in that film she has
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no business being in that film not at all and
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he like goes daggers out like defending her in that
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flick and I'm just like oh dude you've got it.
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Bad Just today I saw on one of the socials
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an algorithm where it was a video of Matthew Lillard
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at some premiere. And I know it matters.
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Nothing.
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Like, who the fuck cares about Tarantino? But I can't
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help feeling so sorry still for Matthew Lillard because of Tarantino,
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what he said about his acting.
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Yeah, fuck that guy, man. Yeah, seriously.
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You know, he.
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There's nothing wrong with his acting. There's absolutely nothing wrong
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with his acting. He's not a bad actor. But yet,
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he was put in this uncomfortable position because of one
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asshole's opinion. And now that's going to follow him around everywhere.
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I don't think it's following him anywhere. I think all
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that did for Paul Dano and Matthew Lillard was rally
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everyone around them. And I think they're both working steadily now.
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No, no, no. I don't mean it's following them like, oh, yeah,
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these guys are bad actors. I think everybody has rallied
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around them, as they should. But, you know, they don't
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need anybody's pity. You know what I mean? Like, these
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are professional actors.
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I don't think it's pity. I think it's appreciation. I
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think we are, as fans of those guys, rising up
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and saying, fuck you, QT.
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I know. Maybe it's just the bullying aspect of it
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that I just, it really, it bothers me.
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Go suck a toe, QT.
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Serious. I mean, you know, glass house. Don't throw stones, asshole.
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Yeah, and The Hateful Eight is garbage. You should focus
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on your movies, man.
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The one thing I love, the bit of trivia about
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The Hateful Eight is that Kurt Russell destroyed like a
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priceless 1800s era gigantar. Because he thought it was, it's
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not his fault. He just thought it was a prop, right?
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They told him it was a prop, yeah.
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Which is basically what happened. I mean, you know, I
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was thinking about that in the context of the Alec
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Baldwin Rust thing where someone handed him a gun. And
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I would presume an actor being handed a gun, they'd
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need to assume on a set that it's not loaded. 100%.
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Yeah. Any actor dealing with an armorer, when they hand
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you the weapon, you assume they know what they're doing.
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Yeah. So... as much of an asshole as, as he
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might be just in, in life. I don't know that
484
00:27:25.509 --> 00:27:28.369
he deserved what he got for that. It wasn't his fault.
485
00:27:29.410 --> 00:27:31.869
No, of course he didn't. All of that shit was
486
00:27:31.950 --> 00:27:36.180
political nonsense, man. Like, like, cause he's so outspoken as
487
00:27:36.220 --> 00:27:38.779
a lefty. And you know what? I agree. He seems
488
00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:41.000
like a cocksucker. I don't care what his politics are.
489
00:27:41.019 --> 00:27:42.480
I don't care if he's on my side or your
490
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:44.240
side or their side. He seems like a real jerk.
491
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.200
He's also an incredibly talented human being. And we've got
492
00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:51.349
to recognize that. But, um, But he is just an
493
00:27:51.490 --> 00:27:53.089
actor on the set. I knew he was a producer
494
00:27:53.150 --> 00:27:56.809
on that movie. I don't understand how that changed anything. Like,
495
00:27:56.970 --> 00:27:59.910
as a producer, you trust the people you hired, who
496
00:27:59.970 --> 00:28:03.079
are the professionals, who know what they're doing, to hand
497
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:03.799
you a pistol.
498
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.220
But even the title of producer, that doesn't mean that
499
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.279
he hired the armorer. That could have just been, like,
500
00:28:10.339 --> 00:28:13.259
a title that he got in order to get points
501
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:16.740
on the movie or some way of giving him extra...
502
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:19.660
do-re-ni at the end of the day. It doesn't mean
503
00:28:19.700 --> 00:28:22.940
that he was actually actively hiring these people.
504
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:28.259
It's like demanding Michael Massey be arrested after Brandon Lee. Like, why?
505
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.019
What did he have to do with anything? They handed
506
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:30.539
him a gun.
507
00:28:32.380 --> 00:28:35.940
That was such a freak act, because that was a blank.
508
00:28:36.619 --> 00:28:40.460
He was just so close. That's how I understood it.
509
00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:41.809
He was just so close to the gun.
510
00:28:41.829 --> 00:28:45.980
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. A
511
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:51.119
dummy round had broken off in the chamber of the
512
00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:53.150
barrel of the gun. So the blank just fired it
513
00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:57.190
like a regular pistol. Because nobody checked the fucking barrel
514
00:28:57.289 --> 00:28:57.970
of the gun.
515
00:28:58.390 --> 00:29:03.079
Right. But it's... You couldn't have planned for that to happen.
516
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.200
No. It's a perfect storm of awful.
517
00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:10.440
It's awful. I was thinking about that just the other day,
518
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:15.369
about what... Because you know, the guy who directed, I think,
519
00:29:15.430 --> 00:29:20.329
was it the John Wick movies? He was Brandon Lee's
520
00:29:21.130 --> 00:29:23.630
stunt double in that movie. So a lot of the
521
00:29:23.670 --> 00:29:27.490
footage that they did after the fact, they rotoscoped his
522
00:29:27.710 --> 00:29:35.869
head onto this now director's body. But man, another incredible
523
00:29:35.890 --> 00:29:39.150
what if. What could he have done? He was just
524
00:29:39.250 --> 00:29:39.970
starting out practically.
525
00:29:40.779 --> 00:29:43.240
You know he'd been around a while.
526
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.900
He'd been around a while but this was really this
527
00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:49.640
should have been it was his entree into you know
528
00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:53.349
a new universe of of movies you know he wasn't
529
00:29:53.369 --> 00:29:56.250
doing like you know showdown in little tokyo this was
530
00:29:56.309 --> 00:29:59.829
a bigger picture this was a genre picture That's true.
531
00:29:59.849 --> 00:30:02.130
It was still an independent movie, though. And I don't
532
00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:03.789
want to speak ill of the dead, but he was limited.
533
00:30:04.789 --> 00:30:10.279
But I think he had the ability to make interesting
534
00:30:10.339 --> 00:30:13.380
movies nevertheless. I'm not suggesting he was Marlon Brando.
535
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:13.940
Yeah.
536
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:15.660
He's really good in that movie.
537
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:17.319
He's okay in that movie.
538
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.339
I think he's really good. That might just be part
539
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.839
of it. I think he does the job. Yeah. What
540
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.619
more can you ask? He does the job. He does
541
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:27.019
it well.
542
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:28.579
I don't know that he does. You know what I
543
00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:30.599
think about every time I think about his performance in
544
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.880
that movie? I think about the flashback where he's burned
545
00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:36.720
the supper and he's holding her and he's like, take out,
546
00:30:36.859 --> 00:30:40.519
like that. And then he's like, like that. And it's
547
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:46.150
so fucking forced frivolity that that's his actual performance. The
548
00:30:46.190 --> 00:30:48.470
rest is all just brooding, whatever. You know what I mean?
549
00:30:48.490 --> 00:30:52.809
People are shooting guns in your face. You know what
550
00:30:52.829 --> 00:30:53.569
I'm talking about.
551
00:30:53.890 --> 00:30:55.890
I know exactly what you're talking about. It's a quick
552
00:30:55.970 --> 00:30:59.319
cut montage of them In love.
553
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.759
Yeah, their love montage.
554
00:31:01.779 --> 00:31:05.410
Yeah. I never had a problem. I didn't have any
555
00:31:05.470 --> 00:31:07.950
truck with that scene, but now I'm never going to
556
00:31:07.990 --> 00:31:09.970
watch it the same way again.
557
00:31:10.650 --> 00:31:13.369
Right? It feels like straight out of 90210 or something.
558
00:31:13.950 --> 00:31:17.069
Did you ever see a movie called Memory, The Origins
559
00:31:17.109 --> 00:31:19.450
of Alien? We were talking about Alien earlier.
560
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.440
I did. It's like a four-hour fucking movie.
561
00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:22.960
Is it four hours?
562
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:23.759
Something like that.
563
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.619
Okay. The only reason I mention it is because the same...
564
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:31.759
filmmaker did a movie, another movie about Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
565
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.640
which sounded interesting.
566
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:35.460
I think I've seen that as well, actually.
567
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.240
I think this is, I don't know if it's today,
568
00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:42.910
but it's the 40th anniversary of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.
569
00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:45.099
I just read an article about that. Wow.
570
00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:47.299
That's sobering. 40 fucking years.
571
00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:49.819
You were just talking about canon films earlier.
572
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:52.589
I snuck in to see Texas Chainsaw 2.
573
00:31:52.589 --> 00:31:53.269
Did you really?
574
00:31:53.289 --> 00:31:57.339
Twice. Twice. Twice. I eluded capture.
575
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.069
Interesting. I couldn't even get into the gate. No, no,
576
00:32:01.069 --> 00:32:03.009
it was lethal weapon. I got carded and they wouldn't
577
00:32:03.029 --> 00:32:06.849
let me in. So that's when I saw the gate. Yeah,
578
00:32:07.130 --> 00:32:11.210
I rented Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I had my friend Steven
579
00:32:11.250 --> 00:32:17.170
from Hebrew school, actually. We would, you know, sleep over
580
00:32:17.190 --> 00:32:19.839
or whatever. And that was the movie we saw that night.
581
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:23.180
And that was, I think I definitely saw that before
582
00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:26.730
I saw the first one. What a crazy fucking movie
583
00:32:26.809 --> 00:32:27.369
that was.
584
00:32:27.950 --> 00:32:32.690
Chainsaw 2? Yeah. Oh, it's fucking great, man.
585
00:32:33.170 --> 00:32:36.759
But the article was interesting. I just read it today.
586
00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:39.839
I wish I remember where I read it, but this
587
00:32:40.019 --> 00:32:42.259
idea that, and I didn't think of any of this
588
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.759
at the time, that Toby Hooper could have just as
589
00:32:45.859 --> 00:32:48.359
easily just retread the first one, and it would not
590
00:32:48.380 --> 00:32:52.519
have been a good movie probably, but he chose to
591
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.059
make it as a sign of the times.
592
00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:58.450
So now that movie's a vicious fucking satire of capitalism, right?
593
00:32:58.890 --> 00:33:02.579
Of, of, of Reagan era capitalism. Exactly. And I, that
594
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.420
never occurred to me as a, whatever I was like
595
00:33:05.500 --> 00:33:07.240
a 13 year old kid.
596
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.279
Yeah, no, it was just a, it was just a
597
00:33:09.380 --> 00:33:11.680
great horror ride at the time. But yeah, you rewatch
598
00:33:11.740 --> 00:33:14.069
it and you're like, Holy shit. It's all about this
599
00:33:14.130 --> 00:33:17.890
young business, the little businessman and getting fucked by the
600
00:33:18.009 --> 00:33:19.029
bigger corporations.
601
00:33:19.829 --> 00:33:23.220
They, they go into business. Like, The Sawyers, this fearsome
602
00:33:23.299 --> 00:33:27.279
family from the first one, this nightmare of a group. Suddenly,
603
00:33:27.339 --> 00:33:33.470
they're selling chili, world-famous chili, basically. They're winning awards with
604
00:33:33.490 --> 00:33:34.109
this can of chili.
605
00:33:34.130 --> 00:33:37.289
How many years in a row have they won the award?
606
00:33:38.190 --> 00:33:39.789
Everyone loves their chili.
607
00:33:40.170 --> 00:33:43.130
They love the chili. The scene I remember about that
608
00:33:43.190 --> 00:33:47.220
was they're at a contest, and someone's eating the chili,
609
00:33:47.259 --> 00:33:49.799
and it kind of goes like this, and it's a tooth.
610
00:33:50.349 --> 00:33:51.730
But the guy's like, oh, that must be one of
611
00:33:51.750 --> 00:33:54.390
them hard shell peppercorns. And he like throws it so
612
00:33:54.410 --> 00:33:59.339
the guy doesn't see it. It's just so bonkers. It
613
00:33:59.650 --> 00:34:02.720
was probably one of the first movies that really had
614
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:08.119
a sense of humor about it. Like this is really
615
00:34:08.139 --> 00:34:11.460
what became the stock in trade for the Evil Dead movies, right?
616
00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:15.550
The same idea where you're the horrific and like the.
617
00:34:16.170 --> 00:34:20.380
If you add slapstick to Texas Chainsaw, you get Evil Dead. Right.
618
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.519
Yeah, yeah. The Three Stooges aspect is what Sam Raimi
619
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:25.219
brought into it.
620
00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:30.300
Because there's no elasticity to the violence in Texas Chainsaw 2.
621
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:34.550
When he's beating L.C., I believe his name is.
622
00:34:34.570 --> 00:34:37.889
You're talking about the program director guy?
623
00:34:37.949 --> 00:34:40.050
Yeah, he's beating him with a fucking hammer and then
624
00:34:40.070 --> 00:34:42.489
they cut his face off. And then he's alive with
625
00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:44.269
his face off and she's wearing his face.
626
00:34:44.829 --> 00:34:46.010
Jesus. H.
627
00:34:46.269 --> 00:34:49.550
Christ. And, by the way, the movie's also irretrievably funny.
628
00:34:49.929 --> 00:34:51.610
But that scene is harrowing, man.
629
00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:57.019
It's stuck with me. That is a horrific scene. And
630
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.219
it's like this, you know, she basically holds.
631
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.639
Spoilers for Texas Chainsaw 2.
632
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:05.760
She's holding the guy as he's dying, but at the
633
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:09.070
same time she's wearing his face. And then Leatherface comes
634
00:35:09.190 --> 00:35:13.230
in and makes her dance with him. It's insane.
635
00:35:13.250 --> 00:35:14.889
Yeah, literally. Just to say it.
636
00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:18.070
And it's 40 fucking years old.
637
00:35:18.409 --> 00:35:22.539
And Dennis Hopper is running through these tunnels with a chainsaw.
638
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:31.699
It's chainsawing down this abandoned Terry Gilliam-esque set fucking theme
639
00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:34.420
park that's Texas battle land, by the way.
640
00:35:34.460 --> 00:35:39.000
Yes, Texas battle land. Everything is like neon, garishly lit.
641
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:44.699
And at one point he sticks... The chainsaw through Leatherface,
642
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.920
and you see the thing whirring on the other side
643
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.320
as they continue to battle, and entrails are going everywhere.
644
00:35:51.340 --> 00:35:54.380
Practical effects. Tom Savini, we love you.
645
00:35:55.059 --> 00:35:58.949
This is clearly a high point for Tom Savini, right?
646
00:35:59.090 --> 00:36:01.610
Yeah, because that moment you mentioned where the chainsaw has
647
00:36:01.630 --> 00:36:05.429
gone through Leatherface, they took pains so that Dennis Hopper
648
00:36:05.710 --> 00:36:08.329
pulls him to one side and then the other. So
649
00:36:08.369 --> 00:36:11.630
the camera sees the chainsaw like from different angles and
650
00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:12.750
you can see that it's running.
651
00:36:13.550 --> 00:36:14.349
Yeah.
652
00:36:14.369 --> 00:36:15.750
Oh, so good.
653
00:36:16.369 --> 00:36:19.210
It never struck me at the time as being a
654
00:36:19.329 --> 00:36:22.230
low budget movie. I mean, it was a Canon movie.
655
00:36:22.250 --> 00:36:23.590
So how much could it have cost?
656
00:36:23.659 --> 00:36:25.780
But we didn't know what Canon was. We just thought
657
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:26.820
it was another studio.
658
00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:31.059
But my point is, even my memory of it, it
659
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.440
looked like every dollar is on the screen. It didn't
660
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.019
look cheap to me at the time.
661
00:36:38.309 --> 00:36:39.409
Do you think it looks cheap now?
662
00:36:40.289 --> 00:36:42.429
I mean, I haven't seen it in many, many years,
663
00:36:42.590 --> 00:36:44.250
but I don't recall it looking cheap. I thought it
664
00:36:44.530 --> 00:36:49.469
just had a really effective dark. Basically, this feels like
665
00:36:50.190 --> 00:36:53.690
Rob Zombie probably watched this movie 100,000 times and said,
666
00:36:54.130 --> 00:36:55.150
that's what I want to do.
667
00:36:55.409 --> 00:36:57.449
That's my aesthetic right there. Let's go.
668
00:36:57.769 --> 00:37:02.179
That's it. This is the alpha to the omega right here.
669
00:37:02.539 --> 00:37:04.429
Gee, I agree with you. I hadn't even thought of
670
00:37:04.449 --> 00:37:07.929
the influence of Texas Chainsaw on Rob Zombie, or Part
671
00:37:07.929 --> 00:37:10.630
2 specifically. But yeah, it's immeasurable, I think.
672
00:37:11.570 --> 00:37:15.730
Because of just some of the silliness of it, the humor,
673
00:37:15.750 --> 00:37:18.980
the dark humor of it. I'm not suggesting that he
674
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.500
didn't progress or that that's all he can do. I
675
00:37:21.500 --> 00:37:23.469
don't really know because I haven't seen a lot.
676
00:37:23.539 --> 00:37:26.699
He's never even gotten close to the success of Texas
677
00:37:26.739 --> 00:37:29.969
Chainsaw 2 as a movie, any of his films. Texas
678
00:37:30.010 --> 00:37:32.710
Chainsaw 2 is a perfect little movie, man. I like
679
00:37:32.750 --> 00:37:36.429
it better than Texas Chainsaw. I would recommend it over
680
00:37:36.489 --> 00:37:40.469
Texas Chainsaw, honestly. If you want to enjoy yourself while
681
00:37:40.510 --> 00:37:42.570
watching a movie, if you want to go through the
682
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.360
experience of being trapped by a family in Texas in
683
00:37:45.380 --> 00:37:48.500
the early 70s, well, I'm not going to dissuade you
684
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:49.619
from going through that.
685
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:51.820
I knew it was going to be something special when
686
00:37:51.860 --> 00:37:55.519
I looked at the box art for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2,
687
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.579
and I recognized it as... a parody of the breakfast club.
688
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.539
Them like, you know, like kind of like all posed
689
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:07.449
with the, you know, with the corpses. Yeah. I mean,
690
00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:11.510
so brilliant. And I can't say it was unheralded in
691
00:38:11.590 --> 00:38:14.110
its day because this article tried to make the point
692
00:38:14.150 --> 00:38:16.510
that it was not understood well at the time. And
693
00:38:16.530 --> 00:38:19.250
it took all these years for people to come around
694
00:38:19.309 --> 00:38:23.230
to it. But I remember it being outrageous and, And
695
00:38:23.510 --> 00:38:26.250
kind of accepted in its day, but then again, I guess, like,
696
00:38:26.329 --> 00:38:27.579
Siskel and Ebert hated it.
697
00:38:28.010 --> 00:38:32.010
Yeah, you remember it being accepted because you hung around
698
00:38:32.050 --> 00:38:34.250
with other people who accepted it, and we've read things
699
00:38:34.289 --> 00:38:38.599
like Fangoria, which lauded it to the heavens, and you're like, yeah,
700
00:38:38.739 --> 00:38:42.340
everyone loves this movie. No, nobody loved that movie.
701
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:42.920
Huh.
702
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.460
So that's just culture catching up now. I mean, that
703
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.139
guy's right. But that's fine, whatever, I can wait.
704
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:54.489
Yeah, but it's amazing that 40 years on and this
705
00:38:54.550 --> 00:38:58.769
movie has only aged like fine wine, really.
706
00:38:59.250 --> 00:39:00.309
Just as relevant.
707
00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:03.690
Well, the culture has caught up to it. I mean,
708
00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:06.469
this is, you know, it kind of, in a weird way,
709
00:39:06.510 --> 00:39:08.329
reminds me a little bit of, it didn't take quite
710
00:39:08.349 --> 00:39:12.269
this long, but like in its day, Starship Troopers was people,
711
00:39:12.630 --> 00:39:14.530
I remember this because I loved that.
712
00:39:14.449 --> 00:39:15.309
Movie when it came out.
713
00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:21.880
And then everyone's like, What is this jingoistic crap? Verhoeven... People...
714
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:22.860
That was the point.
715
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a satire, everybody. It was
716
00:39:24.820 --> 00:39:25.420
a satire.
717
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:31.239
It was every bit the satire that... RoboCop was. And
718
00:39:31.300 --> 00:39:32.789
even that was misunderstood in its day.
719
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.849
All these fucking beautiful Teutonic people are like the representatives
720
00:39:36.909 --> 00:39:39.510
of Earth. They're all from Argentina. You didn't get the
721
00:39:39.590 --> 00:39:43.190
Nazi vibes going on? Like, look at the fucking uniforms, everybody. Seriously.
722
00:39:43.210 --> 00:39:47.670
Seriously. But the great thing was it had its cake
723
00:39:47.710 --> 00:39:49.190
and ate it too because not only was it a
724
00:39:49.789 --> 00:39:53.849
bang on satire, but the action was really, really good
725
00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:55.730
and the effects were really awesome.
726
00:39:56.269 --> 00:39:57.889
They sucked out his brain.
727
00:40:00.389 --> 00:40:04.460
He's afraid. He's afraid. The Nazi uniform that he's wearing.
728
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:06.480
I mean, how could you not see him in that
729
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.000
uniform with the hat and everything?
730
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:12.380
Well, that's the thing. I think that's when people finally went, oh,
731
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.690
wait a minute. I've been rooting for the Nazis. And
732
00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:18.130
that was the problem. They realized that they were on
733
00:40:18.210 --> 00:40:21.409
board as this action movie and not realizing who we
734
00:40:21.449 --> 00:40:24.590
were rooting for. The bugs are the heroes of that flick.
735
00:40:25.369 --> 00:40:28.929
Yeah, the jokes. And they even, like, there are little
736
00:40:28.989 --> 00:40:30.869
mentions of it in the movie. At one point, like,
737
00:40:30.889 --> 00:40:33.170
there's a news reporter, and he's like, but what about
738
00:40:33.190 --> 00:40:36.170
the reports that the bugs are only retaliating because we
739
00:40:36.230 --> 00:40:40.650
fired first? That is basically it. The bugs are just
740
00:40:40.690 --> 00:40:44.389
fighting back against us because we threw an asteroid into
741
00:40:44.429 --> 00:40:45.449
their planet or whatever.
742
00:40:45.829 --> 00:40:53.219
Yeah, exactly. We're the aggressors, idiots. HB, Michael Keaton's making
743
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:53.659
a Western.
744
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.460
Yes, it's got me excited.
745
00:40:56.820 --> 00:41:00.289
Reunited with Morgan Freeman, his buddy from Clean and Sober days.
746
00:41:00.969 --> 00:41:03.090
Clean and Sober, a movie that you and I saw
747
00:41:03.250 --> 00:41:05.710
in the theater in high school. What were we thinking?
748
00:41:07.070 --> 00:41:10.429
I was always going to fucking dramas in high school
749
00:41:10.469 --> 00:41:14.869
and in before. I remember my mother shaking her head
750
00:41:14.909 --> 00:41:16.750
when I asked her to take me to go see Amadeus,
751
00:41:16.809 --> 00:41:18.349
and I needed her to go in with me because
752
00:41:18.369 --> 00:41:19.050
it was rated R.
753
00:41:19.050 --> 00:41:20.289
It was rated R, yeah.
754
00:41:20.670 --> 00:41:22.150
So she brought me in and then went and sat
755
00:41:22.190 --> 00:41:22.650
in the car.
756
00:41:23.550 --> 00:41:26.650
Having said that, Clean and Sober was a perfectly fine movie,
757
00:41:26.690 --> 00:41:28.820
and Keaton was great in it.
758
00:41:29.050 --> 00:41:31.789
That's a really good movie, and that's a great performance
759
00:41:31.849 --> 00:41:32.489
by him, actually.
760
00:41:32.590 --> 00:41:35.869
It is, it is. And so Morgan Freeman was his sponsor.
761
00:41:36.500 --> 00:41:39.219
at Alcoholics Anonymous in that movie, right?
762
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:44.730
Yeah. Yeah. And now he's playing a wizened old outlaw,
763
00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:48.630
and Keaton is a marshal who has spent his entire
764
00:41:48.690 --> 00:41:51.550
career trying to track down the man who killed his wife,
765
00:41:52.110 --> 00:41:54.300
and Morgan Freeman is losing his mind and might know,
766
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.599
or might be. I love that idea. And Michael Keaton
767
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:58.239
is directing.
768
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.579
Yeah. I think that's a great idea. Just imagine for
769
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.360
a minute that he is the man responsible for killing
770
00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:11.139
this guy's wife. But at the same time, he's now dementia-ridden.
771
00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:15.219
So now Michael Keaton, the character Michael Keaton plays, has
772
00:42:15.260 --> 00:42:17.730
to make this choice. Like, what do I do? Because
773
00:42:18.369 --> 00:42:21.230
this is the man I've been chasing for forever, but
774
00:42:21.469 --> 00:42:23.769
he's a shell of a man. I just think it's
775
00:42:23.809 --> 00:42:28.329
an interesting spin on the, you know, revenge sort of
776
00:42:28.389 --> 00:42:28.989
a Western.
777
00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:32.309
Yeah, because it's in the Old West. And it's Michael
778
00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:35.769
Keaton in a cowboy hat. I cannot wait. Remember Michael
779
00:42:35.809 --> 00:42:38.010
Keaton in Shakespeare when he did.
780
00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:43.269
Yeah, he was.
781
00:42:43.550 --> 00:42:45.570
He played Dogberry in Much Ado About Nothing.
782
00:42:45.590 --> 00:42:48.989
Much Ado About Nothing, that's right. He was kind of like...
783
00:42:51.309 --> 00:42:54.550
The phrase isn't stunt casting, but he was kind of like, hey,
784
00:42:54.570 --> 00:42:56.820
you know, you don't expect it, but there's Michael Keaton.
785
00:42:57.050 --> 00:42:58.449
Well, that whole movie is that, though.
786
00:42:59.929 --> 00:43:03.070
Well, not necessarily. I mean, you know, Keanu Reeves was
787
00:43:03.170 --> 00:43:04.329
kind of stunt casting.
788
00:43:04.630 --> 00:43:04.949
Yeah.
789
00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:06.769
Because he wasn't very good in it. Exactly. But the
790
00:43:06.809 --> 00:43:09.010
rest of them were all English. Or, well, I guess, no,
791
00:43:09.070 --> 00:43:10.570
Denzel Washington was in it, too.
792
00:43:10.690 --> 00:43:13.639
It's all stunt casting, my man. And then the regular
793
00:43:13.909 --> 00:43:16.159
sort of stock of Kenneth Branagh players.
794
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:17.300
Sure.
795
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:24.500
Including Brian Blessed, who's having a riotously, uproariously laughing good
796
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:29.179
time from frame one. Splashing water, you know.
797
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:33.179
What is this give.
798
00:43:33.019 --> 00:43:35.099
Me the remote control.
799
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:41.900
Love brian blessed maybe he's in this i'd love it
800
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.739
if he was in this western that'd be fantastic.
801
00:43:44.489 --> 00:43:49.670
He is not unfortunately no in other news hb ridley
802
00:43:49.710 --> 00:43:52.010
scott is going to save the alien franchise again i
803
00:43:52.769 --> 00:43:55.320
didn't know it was foundering i thought i thought People
804
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:58.300
were all on board for Romulus and where we were
805
00:43:58.340 --> 00:44:01.079
going with it. That TV series everyone seemed to enjoy?
806
00:44:01.099 --> 00:44:06.619
Well, you sort of figure maybe... He's saying, well, I
807
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.570
just figured I'd help, so I'm back in. You figure
808
00:44:09.590 --> 00:44:12.469
they just said, look, here's all the money in the world,
809
00:44:12.530 --> 00:44:17.510
Ridley Scott. Come back. Because, I mean, cinematically, it's not
810
00:44:17.550 --> 00:44:21.289
been doing great. I know the TV show, the most
811
00:44:21.369 --> 00:44:25.000
recent one, was well-received, but the movie's... have been kind
812
00:44:25.019 --> 00:44:25.800
of hit or miss, no?
813
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:27.800
I thought Romulus was a big hit.
814
00:44:28.340 --> 00:44:32.829
Was that the last movie in the theater? Yeah.
815
00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:33.730
Okay.
816
00:44:34.429 --> 00:44:35.369
I think that was a hit.
817
00:44:35.730 --> 00:44:38.530
It was a big hit. The fucking Black Panther.
818
00:44:38.210 --> 00:44:42.030
Is in it. Right. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't
819
00:44:42.070 --> 00:44:43.210
see it, I admit.
820
00:44:44.170 --> 00:44:48.579
This does not sound like anyone saying anything to Ridley Scott.
821
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:50.820
This sounds like Ridley Scott saying, I want to make
822
00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:54.429
another one. I want to finish my Prometheus story. You
823
00:44:54.449 --> 00:44:57.460
guys interrupted my Prometheus trilogy, so now I'm going to
824
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.780
retake over everything and piss all over the good work
825
00:45:00.820 --> 00:45:01.840
you folks have been doing.
826
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.949
See, how do you feel about Michael Fassbender coming back
827
00:45:08.989 --> 00:45:09.300
for this?
828
00:45:09.809 --> 00:45:14.269
Well, if it has to happen, then I would appreciate
829
00:45:14.309 --> 00:45:16.969
his return, at least, because he's a major character in
830
00:45:16.989 --> 00:45:22.179
those two movies, Prometheus and fuckeroo whatever that second one
831
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.860
was that oh let's let's go into the airlock and
832
00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:30.199
have sex with this alien loose or that or the
833
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.159
first one where it's like hey look at this snake
834
00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:34.170
creature let me take off my helmet and go kiss
835
00:45:34.210 --> 00:45:39.130
it like what what Ridley somebody take the camera away
836
00:45:39.190 --> 00:45:40.809
from from grandpa.
837
00:45:41.269 --> 00:45:43.530
Well let me ask you this let's turn it around
838
00:45:43.590 --> 00:45:48.590
a little bit what what is the last non franchise
839
00:45:48.710 --> 00:45:52.550
movie that ridley scott made that was successful i.
840
00:45:52.489 --> 00:45:55.329
Think that i think there have been successes i just
841
00:45:56.070 --> 00:46:00.969
think they've all been garbage like they've been beautiful failures.
842
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.139
Dramatically like what i that's not an answer.
843
00:46:05.179 --> 00:46:07.340
Napoleon is a terrible movie did.
844
00:46:07.219 --> 00:46:09.619
That do well i don't think it did well i.
845
00:46:09.579 --> 00:46:13.079
Think it did well how about that house of gucci it.
846
00:46:13.059 --> 00:46:16.070
Was terrible And that didn't do well either.
847
00:46:16.250 --> 00:46:19.920
What about that one where they replaced....
848
00:46:20.530 --> 00:46:21.650
Oh, All the Money in the World?
849
00:46:21.869 --> 00:46:22.550
Yeah, that thing.
850
00:46:23.329 --> 00:46:25.670
That didn't do well. That was Oscar nominated, but that
851
00:46:25.690 --> 00:46:26.110
didn't do well.
852
00:46:26.130 --> 00:46:29.309
It was also garbage. My point being, HB, why are
853
00:46:29.349 --> 00:46:33.679
we listening to Grandpa? He no longer makes anything of value.
854
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.099
And that's partly my point is, you could look at
855
00:46:38.139 --> 00:46:41.800
it like, look, this guy hasn't had a non-franchise hit
856
00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:46.230
in forever. Maybe he just wants to revisit his glory
857
00:46:46.250 --> 00:46:46.929
days a little bit.
858
00:46:47.309 --> 00:46:50.460
Oh, okay. Take it outside. I don't care. Nobody cares.
859
00:46:50.860 --> 00:46:53.300
This is the movie business. It's a business, first of all.
860
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:56.159
It's not the sentimental Ridley Scott machine.
861
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:58.980
I don't disagree.
862
00:47:00.179 --> 00:47:04.070
I've said this before. He directed that movie. He didn't
863
00:47:04.090 --> 00:47:07.670
write it. He didn't design it. He didn't chart the
864
00:47:07.710 --> 00:47:10.789
fucking life cycle of an alien. He just made pretty pictures.
865
00:47:10.949 --> 00:47:13.429
I don't know why anyone is turning to him creatively.
866
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:21.179
I'm looking at his IMDb. I think the last non-franchise
867
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:26.360
alien movie that he made was probably The Martian. And
868
00:47:26.409 --> 00:47:26.869
that was.
869
00:47:26.909 --> 00:47:28.250
That was a pretty big success, though.
870
00:47:28.590 --> 00:47:30.449
That was a very big success, but that was also
871
00:47:30.449 --> 00:47:32.070
11 years ago. Wow.
872
00:47:32.949 --> 00:47:35.170
That's a long time. He has a movie out right
873
00:47:35.190 --> 00:47:36.949
now that got laughed by a coyote.
874
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:39.260
Oh, The Dog Stars.
875
00:47:39.539 --> 00:47:39.860
Yeah.
876
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:45.539
Yeah. Josh Brolin, who is no stranger to odd quotes,
877
00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:48.659
had a really funny quote about working with Ridley Scott,
878
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:49.920
how he almost quit the picture.
879
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:51.820
I didn't hear it.
880
00:47:52.489 --> 00:47:53.610
You didn't hear it? Let me see if I can
881
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:59.309
find it. Basically, it sort of made reference to how
882
00:47:59.389 --> 00:48:04.210
reckless his method is, Ridley Scott's method. Really? Because I
883
00:48:04.250 --> 00:48:11.289
think he doesn't rehearse much, if at all. And it's all,
884
00:48:11.389 --> 00:48:13.389
I think, you know, someone like, I would assume someone
885
00:48:13.409 --> 00:48:17.030
like Josh Brolin, who's probably a pretty method kind of
886
00:48:17.070 --> 00:48:22.070
an actor, probably panicked him. But it was an interesting quote.
887
00:48:22.090 --> 00:48:23.130
I wish I had it in front of me, but
888
00:48:23.150 --> 00:48:23.670
I don't have it.
889
00:48:24.289 --> 00:48:26.550
Well, who cares? Anyway. That's enough.
890
00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:27.860
It's a bad movie.
891
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.639
H.P., are you excited for The Moneypenny Diaries?
892
00:48:34.179 --> 00:48:40.329
Not really. Look, I'm not a huge, look, I like 007,
893
00:48:40.329 --> 00:48:43.170
I like the James Bond movies. I honestly can't say
894
00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:45.449
I've seen every single one of them. In fact, I'm
895
00:48:45.610 --> 00:48:46.809
positive that I haven't.
896
00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:47.670
What?
897
00:48:47.750 --> 00:48:50.630
But I like the franchise just fine. I got the
898
00:48:50.909 --> 00:48:54.550
most recent video game, and that was awesome. Moneypenny's in that, too.
899
00:48:54.929 --> 00:48:56.989
It was, you know... But don't you want to see
900
00:48:57.030 --> 00:49:00.260
Moneypenny kicking ass and taking names and then serving tea?
901
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.260
I'm fine with that, but I... I don't know. It
902
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:06.679
feels like a lot of these movies, they have, like...
903
00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:12.519
It's like seeing a movie where... Like Alfred from Batman
904
00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:14.880
becomes like the hero, the unsung hero.
905
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.170
You mean the television series Pennyworth? Right.
906
00:49:19.110 --> 00:49:21.039
There was a comic book. I think there was actually
907
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:25.039
a book series about Moneypenny already. But my point is
908
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.059
like that idea tends to leave me cold. It's like, well,
909
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.139
you just thought that they were just set dressing, but no.
910
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.409
There's a history behind Moneypenny that no one is privy to.
911
00:49:38.650 --> 00:49:41.210
I just, it's okay. I mean, it'll be fine, whatever.
912
00:49:41.849 --> 00:49:43.719
Florence Pugh's going to be in it.
913
00:49:43.769 --> 00:49:46.690
See, that's the only interest I have in it. Like,
914
00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:50.800
I read the headline, Moneypenny Diaries, and I was like,
915
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:53.619
are you kidding? Are they already breaking the Bond franchise
916
00:49:53.659 --> 00:49:55.760
into pieces to make as much money off of it
917
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:58.579
as they can? How ridiculous. And then I scrolled down
918
00:49:58.619 --> 00:50:00.409
and saw Florence Pugh, and I went, well, I'll give
919
00:50:00.429 --> 00:50:00.860
it a shot.
920
00:50:01.690 --> 00:50:04.349
She was one of, I mean, in a movie that
921
00:50:04.369 --> 00:50:08.130
we universally loved, Spider-Man, she, for me, was one of
922
00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:12.659
my biggest surprises i thought she was delightful in spider-man.
923
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.929
And she'll be delightful here too even even though we're
924
00:50:15.969 --> 00:50:17.829
totally uninterested in the subject.
925
00:50:17.510 --> 00:50:21.789
Matter you know that's that's rather harsh i don't mean
926
00:50:21.829 --> 00:50:23.690
to come off like that but it's just not it's
927
00:50:24.289 --> 00:50:25.690
it'll come out and i'll see it and it'll be
928
00:50:25.730 --> 00:50:28.469
fine but i'm not gonna i'm not waiting with bated.
929
00:50:28.250 --> 00:50:31.789
Breath are you waiting for the thundercats movie.
930
00:50:32.980 --> 00:50:36.510
I'm even less interested in the Thundercats movie. I couldn't
931
00:50:36.590 --> 00:50:38.349
be less interested in that, Father Malone.
932
00:50:38.409 --> 00:50:40.730
But it's moving forward. They've got a script.
933
00:50:43.010 --> 00:50:45.110
Did you watch Thundercats.
934
00:50:44.449 --> 00:50:47.329
When you were a kid? Thundercats!
935
00:50:48.650 --> 00:50:49.469
Mumra!
936
00:50:49.869 --> 00:50:51.449
They had a mummy for a villain. Of course I
937
00:50:51.469 --> 00:50:52.329
watched the Thundercats.
938
00:50:53.889 --> 00:50:58.659
Even then, I looked at it with a very cynical eye.
939
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.320
Chitaro! Panthero!
940
00:51:01.469 --> 00:51:03.590
I just, I don't understand why people like, why it's
941
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:06.119
such a cult. Like, why is it still such a
942
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:11.280
cult thing? Like, people go to Comic-Con dressed as the Thundercats.
943
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:16.610
It feels like a Smigel's TV funhouse, like, before its time.
944
00:51:17.630 --> 00:51:21.389
Because the designs of those characters are fucking awesome. You
945
00:51:21.429 --> 00:51:22.989
gotta admit, they're really cool looking.
946
00:51:23.010 --> 00:51:25.659
You're talking about the wrong tree, sorry.
947
00:51:25.820 --> 00:51:27.019
Look, the designs are awesome.
948
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:28.860
Okay, I'll take your word for it.
949
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.039
And there's a generation that was actually sort of, that
950
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.599
was their thing, you know? There was an entire group
951
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.969
of people clamoring about this Masters of the Universe nonsense forever.
952
00:51:39.869 --> 00:51:42.570
Sure, and I was not one of them, but I
953
00:51:42.630 --> 00:51:44.849
admit to really enjoying the movie despite that.
954
00:51:45.070 --> 00:51:46.349
It was a good movie, that's why.
955
00:51:46.570 --> 00:51:49.030
You can make a movie based on a property that
956
00:51:49.090 --> 00:51:52.469
I have very little interest in, and it can delight me.
957
00:51:53.070 --> 00:51:55.389
I would be interested, I mean, you know, Thundercats could
958
00:51:55.409 --> 00:51:56.280
delight me, who knows?
959
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.780
Why won't you give Thundercats a chance, HB?
960
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.500
I will. That's what I'm saying. It depends on who's involved,
961
00:52:02.539 --> 00:52:04.460
who's making it, who's directing it.
962
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:10.489
I don't know any of those things. But I'm sure
963
00:52:10.550 --> 00:52:11.329
it's going to be great.
964
00:52:16.329 --> 00:52:18.050
How much are they paying you, Father Malone?
965
00:52:20.570 --> 00:52:24.590
I'm on the take, payola. All right, it's time for
966
00:52:24.630 --> 00:52:27.019
sequel news. Are you ready? Oh, no, before we get
967
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:34.820
to that, I watched that extended look at Grand Theft
968
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.960
Auto Part 6. Yeah?
969
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:38.090
What'd you think?
970
00:52:40.369 --> 00:52:42.170
I was expecting more, honestly.
971
00:52:44.750 --> 00:52:45.690
And in what way?
972
00:52:46.650 --> 00:52:50.030
I had no expectations of Grand Theft Auto 6. And
973
00:52:50.070 --> 00:52:52.530
then all I heard for two days at work was
974
00:52:52.570 --> 00:52:56.199
everyone fucking ranting about it. And then you recommended it.
975
00:52:56.309 --> 00:52:57.750
And I thought, well, this is just going to knock
976
00:52:57.769 --> 00:53:01.679
my fucking socks off. And it seemed like a really
977
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.500
good version of Grand Theft Auto 6. There was nothing, like,
978
00:53:05.300 --> 00:53:10.039
new other than improved gameplay, improved graphics.
979
00:53:11.739 --> 00:53:15.260
There is that. And maybe part of it is I've
980
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:18.039
been soaking up as much info as I can over
981
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:23.079
the last, what, 12 years? Yeah. Since the GT... I mean,
982
00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:27.260
that is absurd that it's taken this long to get
983
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:27.780
Grand Theft Auto 6.
984
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:28.489
Is that how long it's been, really?
985
00:53:29.070 --> 00:53:32.030
It's been forever. Forever!
986
00:53:32.210 --> 00:53:34.309
When did Vice City come out?
987
00:53:35.150 --> 00:53:36.510
I will find that out for you.
988
00:53:36.789 --> 00:53:38.570
That's my favorite Grand Theft Auto game.
989
00:53:39.369 --> 00:53:42.960
Really? You didn't like 5 with the cab driver? No,
990
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:43.780
4 with the cab driver?
991
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:44.659
In New York?
992
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.019
Yeah. Yeah, I liked it.
993
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:54.949
Something about, you know... 80s Miami.
994
00:53:55.010 --> 00:53:58.369
That was 2002, by the way. Oh, my God.
995
00:53:58.409 --> 00:53:59.789
That's so long ago.
996
00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:02.610
Almost a quarter century ago.
997
00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:06.070
Man, I heard so much Phil Collins playing that game.
998
00:54:06.590 --> 00:54:12.429
Yes. And just to give you some insight, GTA V
999
00:54:12.909 --> 00:54:21.690
came out in 2013. So 13 years ago. That's absurd.
1000
00:54:21.969 --> 00:54:24.380
I guess that's just proof of my point because I
1001
00:54:24.409 --> 00:54:33.300
was expecting it to be literally cinema.
1002
00:54:31.860 --> 00:54:32.559
Quality.
1003
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:36.719
I'm sure the functionality is absolutely insane now. Obviously, there
1004
00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:40.440
was this whole bit of him going down this hallway
1005
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.610
in this tenement slum. You could go in any door.
1006
00:54:44.429 --> 00:54:46.849
The detail is absolutely insane.
1007
00:54:47.730 --> 00:54:49.969
Yeah. I mean, you kind of have to understand that
1008
00:54:50.090 --> 00:54:55.329
their last, Rockstar's last biggest game was Red Dead Redemption 2.
1009
00:54:55.329 --> 00:54:56.699
I'm not sure if you played it or not.
1010
00:54:56.829 --> 00:54:59.150
I did. I loved that game. I got the expansion
1011
00:54:59.190 --> 00:55:00.170
pack with the zombies.
1012
00:55:01.010 --> 00:55:02.610
No, that was the first one. That was Red Dead
1013
00:55:02.650 --> 00:55:03.190
Redemption 1.
1014
00:55:03.190 --> 00:55:05.449
Oh, well, I did play the sequel then. But I
1015
00:55:05.489 --> 00:55:06.269
did play both.
1016
00:55:06.909 --> 00:55:11.449
So Red Dead Redemption 2 is a massive game. This
1017
00:55:11.489 --> 00:55:15.489
game is, I think, two to three times bigger than
1018
00:55:15.550 --> 00:55:19.659
Red Dead Redemption 2. That's... crazy to think of that.
1019
00:55:19.699 --> 00:55:21.500
Now that's not something that is going to be readily
1020
00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:25.460
apparent in a 26 minute preview, but just understand the
1021
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.980
scale of this game is huge. There's, there's going to
1022
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.679
be a million things to do in, in, you know,
1023
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.590
you'll never get bored. There's all sorts of advances in
1024
00:55:36.610 --> 00:55:40.349
like the morality system. Let's say, um, you can actually,
1025
00:55:40.510 --> 00:55:41.730
one thing I read, which I thought was kind of
1026
00:55:41.769 --> 00:55:44.550
interesting is normally when you get into a shootout with
1027
00:55:44.590 --> 00:55:46.969
the cops, that's, you know, there's, there's no way out,
1028
00:55:47.530 --> 00:55:50.860
but apparently like there's, behavior changes where like you can
1029
00:55:50.940 --> 00:55:54.900
fire above the cops and Distract them long enough to
1030
00:55:54.940 --> 00:55:58.889
get away so you could actually have non-lethal Police interactions
1031
00:55:58.949 --> 00:56:01.269
which Wow, it's it doesn't sound like much.
1032
00:56:01.309 --> 00:56:03.210
No, that's actually a big deal I get that.
1033
00:56:03.630 --> 00:56:07.289
But there's you know, there's a this relationship system between
1034
00:56:07.550 --> 00:56:11.570
the the main characters you can you can play them
1035
00:56:11.769 --> 00:56:14.980
as being like, you know lovers and Or you can
1036
00:56:15.019 --> 00:56:17.980
just play them as partners in crime that you can
1037
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.079
have other relationships and it'll impact how they react to
1038
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:29.190
you and stuff. You're right. It's not like you're putting
1039
00:56:29.230 --> 00:56:31.289
on VR goggles and all of a sudden you're in
1040
00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:32.929
Grand Theft Auto.
1041
00:56:32.989 --> 00:56:35.369
Yeah, that's kind of what I was being sold, I thought.
1042
00:56:35.389 --> 00:56:42.489
This also followed weeks and weeks of this conversation. someone
1043
00:56:42.570 --> 00:56:45.590
leaking all this footage from the game and even some,
1044
00:56:45.909 --> 00:56:48.469
and maybe, and some of that stuff I've seen. And like,
1045
00:56:48.610 --> 00:56:51.829
it's just crazy to see, like I watched a video
1046
00:56:52.389 --> 00:56:56.179
clip of somebody riding a bike on the beach, which
1047
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.840
sounds like nothing. But when you see the number of
1048
00:57:00.940 --> 00:57:05.420
people on the beach, the different body types on the beach, like,
1049
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.739
cause you know, these games, usually there's a repeating, uh,
1050
00:57:09.170 --> 00:57:10.750
template for these characters.
1051
00:57:11.329 --> 00:57:14.449
I did notice that in what we saw, because there
1052
00:57:14.489 --> 00:57:16.469
were so many people without their shirts on, and they
1053
00:57:16.510 --> 00:57:19.670
were glistening, and you could tell, like, it was wildly
1054
00:57:19.750 --> 00:57:23.380
varied in body types from starting now, I guess.
1055
00:57:24.099 --> 00:57:27.820
Yeah, yeah. And there's people, some people are on their phones,
1056
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:32.420
and the phones themselves cast this realistic glow over them,
1057
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:35.659
and it all happened at sunset, and it just looked beautiful.
1058
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.539
And I'm like, that's this environment I get to dive
1059
00:57:39.579 --> 00:57:45.429
into and play with? Please, yes. Again, I get it,
1060
00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:49.920
and maybe it was a little overhyped for me to
1061
00:57:49.980 --> 00:57:51.840
say to you, oh, you've got to see this thing
1062
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.980
and have your friends at work clamoring over it, but
1063
00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.050
I think maybe there's a lot that doesn't appear in
1064
00:58:00.070 --> 00:58:02.269
the balance sheet that will only be apparent if you
1065
00:58:03.090 --> 00:58:05.030
play the game or have played some of the older games.
1066
00:58:06.050 --> 00:58:08.550
Well, I'm going to play it. In my usual manner
1067
00:58:08.610 --> 00:58:09.969
in like three or four years from now.
1068
00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:14.949
Right. By then there'll be a DLC pack that'll be
1069
00:58:14.969 --> 00:58:17.829
part of the main game and all that stuff.
1070
00:58:18.389 --> 00:58:22.500
Exactly. Now it's time for sequel news, except we have
1071
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:23.159
to say goodbye to Mr.
1072
00:58:23.179 --> 00:58:25.300
Peter. Well, that's a sequel. You know, Grantham thought it
1073
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:25.820
was a sequel.
1074
00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:27.900
That is a sequel. But, well, I didn't want to
1075
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.000
get into movie sequels until we talked about Peter Cullen
1076
00:58:31.699 --> 00:58:33.730
and said rest in peace to the. the voice of
1077
00:58:33.849 --> 00:58:37.380
Optimus Prime and so many others, so many movie trailers.
1078
00:58:38.739 --> 00:58:40.360
What an amazing voice.
1079
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:46.019
Incredible. I mean, you know, this has been a very,
1080
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:49.539
very hard, let's call it, really it's been in the
1081
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:51.280
span of a month, but we've had a lot of
1082
00:58:51.300 --> 00:58:58.010
high-profile celebrity passings. We have Kim Curry passed, Dolly Parton, obviously,
1083
00:58:58.070 --> 00:58:59.849
but Peter Cullen.
1084
00:58:59.889 --> 00:59:00.789
Shelley Fabare.
1085
00:59:01.469 --> 00:59:08.570
Shelley Fabare. Peter Cohen was and is a giant of
1086
00:59:08.670 --> 00:59:13.760
the voiceover industry. It's a really big loss. Odds are,
1087
00:59:14.139 --> 00:59:17.420
even if you're not a fan of Transformers, odds are
1088
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.380
he has voiced some of your favorite characters growing up.
1089
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.699
And that's not even an exaggeration. It's true.
1090
00:59:23.780 --> 00:59:27.239
He will be missed. And I was just so pleased
1091
00:59:27.420 --> 00:59:31.429
when they... brought him back to do the voice for
1092
00:59:31.550 --> 00:59:34.489
Optimus Prime when they made the movies again because there
1093
00:59:34.530 --> 00:59:37.380
was a real possibility that Michael Bay would have just
1094
00:59:37.420 --> 00:59:41.260
gone no let's get whoever the latest star is right
1095
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.440
now to be the voice just like he did with
1096
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:45.820
fucking Megatron they went and got Hugo Weaving which is
1097
00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:47.860
like made no sense at.
1098
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:54.150
All no but you know Peter Cullen is Optimus Prime
1099
00:59:54.250 --> 00:59:57.090
I there's just no way you have him without having
1100
00:59:57.590 --> 00:59:59.929
I don't know what I mean I'm not sure what
1101
00:59:59.949 --> 01:00:02.369
they'll do going forward. I guess they'll just have to
1102
01:00:02.429 --> 01:00:06.550
either use AI despicably to recreate his voice.
1103
01:00:06.670 --> 01:00:08.469
Or they can just find somebody to do the voice.
1104
01:00:08.849 --> 01:00:10.550
That's been a tradition for years.
1105
01:00:11.230 --> 01:00:14.250
True. Did you know that he did the voice of
1106
01:00:14.380 --> 01:00:17.780
the main villain in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon?
1107
01:00:18.449 --> 01:00:18.739
Yes.
1108
01:00:19.780 --> 01:00:21.840
I didn't know that until I looked into his work
1109
01:00:21.860 --> 01:00:22.300
a little bit.
1110
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.219
I did. Well, he has that, no matter what voice
1111
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:27.780
he's doing, he has that weird timbre to it that
1112
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:29.119
kind of gives him away, you know?
1113
01:00:29.889 --> 01:00:30.550
Right, right.
1114
01:00:30.570 --> 01:00:33.190
He's got that weird, that vibrate-y thing that he does,
1115
01:00:33.210 --> 01:00:33.610
you know.
1116
01:00:34.809 --> 01:00:36.849
No, rest in peace. I mean, this is sort of
1117
01:00:36.869 --> 01:00:38.849
like on the scale for me of like a Kevin
1118
01:00:38.889 --> 01:00:42.090
Conroy when he passed. Because to a lot of people,
1119
01:00:42.670 --> 01:00:44.469
Kevin Conroy was Batman.
1120
01:00:44.860 --> 01:00:45.880
Yeah, still is.
1121
01:00:46.539 --> 01:00:47.260
So, yeah.
1122
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:49.780
All right, sequel news. Are you ready?
1123
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:54.199
All right.
1124
01:00:55.179 --> 01:00:57.019
We got a title now for it. This is a
1125
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:58.559
direct sequel to a movie you and I were just
1126
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.320
talking about on the last roundup, which is The Further
1127
01:01:01.579 --> 01:01:05.099
Misadventures of Cliff Booth, the sequel to Once Upon a
1128
01:01:05.139 --> 01:01:10.269
Time in Hollywood, featuring the continuing misadventures of stuntman extraordinaire
1129
01:01:10.690 --> 01:01:12.570
Brad Pitt. What do you think?
1130
01:01:12.590 --> 01:01:13.110
I'm excited.
1131
01:01:13.650 --> 01:01:14.190
You excited?
1132
01:01:14.650 --> 01:01:19.550
I'm very excited. Look, I just got through telling you
1133
01:01:19.610 --> 01:01:23.639
on another podcast that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is...
1134
01:01:24.530 --> 01:01:28.460
for me, maybe my most rewatchable Quentin Tarantino movie. And
1135
01:01:28.619 --> 01:01:31.280
a big part of that is Brad Pitt. I think
1136
01:01:31.340 --> 01:01:35.599
he's wonderful, despite the fact that if you really stopped
1137
01:01:35.659 --> 01:01:38.070
and thought about it, he's a really bad guy in
1138
01:01:38.590 --> 01:01:38.909
the movie.
1139
01:01:38.929 --> 01:01:39.769
He killed his wife.
1140
01:01:39.829 --> 01:01:42.730
He killed his wife. And I never read the book
1141
01:01:43.329 --> 01:01:47.809
that he put out behind it. It's not a novelization
1142
01:01:47.849 --> 01:01:50.010
of the movie, I don't think, but I think it
1143
01:01:50.030 --> 01:01:51.170
goes into a little more detail.
1144
01:01:51.739 --> 01:01:53.679
Yeah, I tried to read that book, yeah.
1145
01:01:54.489 --> 01:01:56.449
I tried, like you, I tried to read it and
1146
01:01:56.789 --> 01:02:01.880
I said, this is not readable. And I stopped reading. But, look,
1147
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:06.199
it's Brad Pitt doing Cliff Booth things and David Fincher
1148
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:06.960
is directing it.
1149
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.820
David fucking Fincher is directing the movie, man. I keep
1150
01:02:09.860 --> 01:02:10.780
forgetting that.
1151
01:02:11.179 --> 01:02:13.340
I mean, think about it. This should be just some.
1152
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:15.519
It's a Steven Soderbergh move, you know? Just like, and
1153
01:02:15.579 --> 01:02:16.840
I'll just do this random thing.
1154
01:02:17.500 --> 01:02:21.980
Yeah, totally. This project had every right to be a
1155
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:27.289
quickie Netflix thing dashed off with just some rubber stamp
1156
01:02:27.309 --> 01:02:28.030
type director.
1157
01:02:28.250 --> 01:02:30.750
From Dusk Till Dawn 3, The Hangman's Daughter.
1158
01:02:31.469 --> 01:02:35.289
Seriously, the fact that David Fincher's doing it gives me
1159
01:02:35.969 --> 01:02:38.530
so much confidence that it's going to be really, really good.
1160
01:02:39.269 --> 01:02:40.809
And Peter Weller's playing his dad.
1161
01:02:41.929 --> 01:02:46.179
Is that right? Yeah. Interesting. Peter Weller not looking so
1162
01:02:46.219 --> 01:02:46.880
good these days.
1163
01:02:47.179 --> 01:02:50.380
He looks like a corpse, man. But he will talk
1164
01:02:50.420 --> 01:02:54.510
your ear off about artwork these days. You know, he's
1165
01:02:54.530 --> 01:02:55.889
got a degree, if you haven't heard.
1166
01:02:55.909 --> 01:03:00.880
Look, don't talk to him or touch him if you're
1167
01:03:00.900 --> 01:03:04.500
making the movie Firstborn, because he will bite your head off.
1168
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:05.420
That's true.
1169
01:03:05.460 --> 01:03:06.079
You know that story?
1170
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:07.360
Yeah, we found that story, yeah.
1171
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:08.619
Corey Feldman, yeah.
1172
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.179
I had a friend who was a prostitute who used to.
1173
01:03:11.449 --> 01:03:14.130
No, not Corey Feldman, Corey Haynes, sorry.
1174
01:03:14.469 --> 01:03:16.809
Sorry, say that again? I was a friend who was
1175
01:03:16.889 --> 01:03:19.250
an escort. She was a prostitute, and she used to...
1176
01:03:20.110 --> 01:03:22.230
He was one of her clients, and she said he
1177
01:03:22.269 --> 01:03:27.820
was the... He was the most egotistical person she'd ever met.
1178
01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:32.159
He would scan around the television looking for movies that
1179
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:34.619
he starred in. And then if he came on screen,
1180
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:40.210
he'd be like, shut up, shut up, shut up. Allegedly,
1181
01:03:40.250 --> 01:03:40.909
let me say that.
1182
01:03:43.130 --> 01:03:52.630
Allegedly, yep. So he plays Mr. Booth. Who else is
1183
01:03:52.670 --> 01:03:53.210
going to be in it?
1184
01:03:53.980 --> 01:03:56.039
You are in the prologue.
1185
01:03:56.059 --> 01:03:57.179
I can't wait.
1186
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:00.139
I'm in the epilogue, so you've got to wait.
1187
01:04:00.179 --> 01:04:04.619
Looks like Scott Kahn is in it. Carla Gugino.
1188
01:04:04.900 --> 01:04:09.010
Oh, my God. I love Carla Gugino. Italian girls, man.
1189
01:04:09.659 --> 01:04:10.630
Wonder Man himself.
1190
01:04:11.389 --> 01:04:15.590
Abdul Mateen. Yeah, I love that guy. Still haven't watched
1191
01:04:15.630 --> 01:04:17.650
Wonder Man. Neither have you. What's wrong with us?
1192
01:04:17.730 --> 01:04:20.889
I need to. I really need to. That's a real problem.
1193
01:04:21.260 --> 01:04:21.780
Failure of mind.
1194
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:24.840
You're watching old episodes of Taxi for some fucking reason.
1195
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:27.440
No, I'm not watching Welcome Back, Cotter episodes.
1196
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:28.719
Oh, God almighty.
1197
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:29.960
It's probably more egregious.
1198
01:04:30.860 --> 01:04:33.039
It is, because we don't even podcast about that show.
1199
01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:36.000
Do you think that DiCaprio is going to make a
1200
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.800
cameo in this?
1201
01:04:39.340 --> 01:04:40.340
In Further Adventures?
1202
01:04:40.860 --> 01:04:40.980
Yeah.
1203
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:41.500
Misadventures?
1204
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:43.280
No, in Welcome Back, Cotter, of course.
1205
01:04:45.900 --> 01:04:46.539
No, Breakdown.
1206
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I mean, that would be a great secret for them to... Yeah. Yeah.
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01:04:50.179 --> 01:04:52.440
I imagine there'll be like a one quick phone call.
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01:04:53.019 --> 01:04:56.989
Like a split screen and like, what do you need? Like, oh, nothing, blah, blah, blah.
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01:04:57.630 --> 01:05:01.690
Because this takes place years after the events of the original.
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01:05:01.449 --> 01:05:06.090
Movie, right? Well, it would only make sense to... I mean,
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01:05:06.130 --> 01:05:07.320
Tarantino wrote this, didn't he?
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01:05:09.650 --> 01:05:12.349
I think he did. But then there was some pretentious
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01:05:12.429 --> 01:05:15.519
quote I read about how he was just so unenthused
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01:05:16.539 --> 01:05:18.539
by the project that he didn't want to direct it.
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01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.679
You man he had just done that he just done
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01:05:21.739 --> 01:05:23.960
that he just made that movie.
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01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:28.099
Jesus Christ this is the same guy who said he
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01:05:28.139 --> 01:05:29.760
was gonna he was finished he was gonna make his
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01:05:29.820 --> 01:05:31.929
last movie and then he was gonna be the critic
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01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:34.590
and then he decided that wasn't gonna be it and
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01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.329
now he's I don't know what he's doing.
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01:05:37.349 --> 01:05:40.070
Who cares hang it up man hang it.
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01:05:40.050 --> 01:05:42.449
Up soon but if he but if I will say
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01:05:42.489 --> 01:05:45.809
if he does hang it up Hollywood is a big
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01:05:45.869 --> 01:05:46.989
high note for him to go out.
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01:05:46.989 --> 01:05:50.639
On oh yeah Well, I think he wishes he had
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01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:52.019
held that in reserve now.
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01:05:52.380 --> 01:05:54.460
That should have been the final.
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01:05:54.739 --> 01:05:58.639
He knows he can't top it. No, that's... That's why
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01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.570
he's fucking writing novels and plays and entire seasons of
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01:06:02.820 --> 01:06:03.909
Bounty Law.
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01:06:05.889 --> 01:06:06.210
Yeah.
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01:06:08.010 --> 01:06:10.190
Aye, aye, aye. Okay, so that's that. On to the
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01:06:10.230 --> 01:06:11.250
next sequel. You ready?
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01:06:12.010 --> 01:06:12.429
I'm ready.
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01:06:12.809 --> 01:06:13.929
Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.
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01:06:14.670 --> 01:06:17.329
Yeah, which is still two years away.
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01:06:18.980 --> 01:06:21.320
And the other movie is 32 years ago.
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01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:26.469
What I find fascinating about the news behind this, I
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01:06:26.510 --> 01:06:32.949
just learned this, is they've already pre-filmed Terrence Stamp's scenes.
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01:06:33.429 --> 01:06:33.750
Yeah.
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01:06:33.809 --> 01:06:36.780
Terrence Stamp, who obviously died a year or two ago,
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01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.619
he apparently already banked his footage for this movie. So
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01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:42.980
good for them. Yeah.
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01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:45.559
It's mainly he comes out of his house and then
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01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.050
he picks a flower and then he smells the flower.
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01:06:48.590 --> 01:06:51.750
And then he looks around. And then for the rest
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01:06:51.789 --> 01:06:55.010
of the movie, Terrence Stamp is played by his chiropractor
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01:06:55.389 --> 01:06:55.969
with a cape.
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01:06:55.989 --> 01:06:59.349
With his hand over his face.
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01:07:00.250 --> 01:07:01.429
What a ghoulish idea.
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01:07:01.449 --> 01:07:06.760
I read this interview with Guy Pearce, and he was
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01:07:06.820 --> 01:07:10.019
talking about the fact that it was really, it was
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01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.960
apparently Terrence Stamp's idea to do this because he was
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01:07:14.019 --> 01:07:18.260
somewhat fearful that they would use AI to create a
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01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:24.489
fake Terrence Stamp to do all of this stuff. Maybe
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01:07:24.489 --> 01:07:26.769
10 years ago that might have seemed rather fanciful, but
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01:07:26.809 --> 01:07:30.110
now when you've got this Val Kilmer movie where he's
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01:07:30.289 --> 01:07:33.289
being played by AI, it's not so fanciful.
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01:07:33.570 --> 01:07:35.909
How pivotal is he to the plot that he knew
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01:07:35.969 --> 01:07:38.929
that they were going to make a CG version of himself?
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01:07:39.949 --> 01:07:44.320
That's a good question. I don't know. Maybe it's that
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01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:45.699
important for him to be involved.
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01:07:46.789 --> 01:07:50.329
Weird that's a weird move yeah it's also weird that
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01:07:50.349 --> 01:07:53.090
the that that script from two three years ago is
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01:07:53.110 --> 01:07:56.260
the one that they're making now usually that would change
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01:07:56.300 --> 01:07:56.739
you know.
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01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:00.139
Yeah but it's just they haven't even started filming it.
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01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.980
Yet no so this isn't even news at all no
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01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:06.380
it's not it's a failure on my part this is
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01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.659
news about news and here's some more news about news
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01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.980
they announced the days of thunder sequel are you stoked.
1273
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:16.699
Well, you know, I was thinking about this just.
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01:08:16.539 --> 01:08:19.960
Before we got on the call. Cold trickle.
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01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.680
I am not what you would call a big fan
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01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:26.640
of Days of Thunder. It was fine. I think for me,
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01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:30.609
it just, I don't know, it just didn't really resonate
1278
01:08:30.649 --> 01:08:32.390
with me somehow.
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01:08:32.729 --> 01:08:35.569
It was all the worst instincts of Tony Scott.
1280
01:08:35.909 --> 01:08:37.670
Yeah, it was.
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01:08:37.689 --> 01:08:43.689
Just sweaty people and whirring engines and men being men.
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01:08:44.470 --> 01:08:46.090
You know, lots of cigars.
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01:08:47.170 --> 01:08:49.380
But Robert Duvall is quite good in it.
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01:08:50.090 --> 01:08:51.770
Because he's Robert Duvall.
1285
01:08:52.090 --> 01:08:53.329
Yeah. No, I agree.
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01:08:53.430 --> 01:08:53.770
I agree.
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01:08:53.810 --> 01:08:56.949
But he is good. I mean, he elevates that movie.
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01:08:57.289 --> 01:09:01.159
That's a cliche, but he really does. So. initially I
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01:09:01.460 --> 01:09:04.000
kind of I greeted the news with a shrug and
1290
01:09:04.020 --> 01:09:07.439
I said well whatever but then I remembered I greeted
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01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:10.229
the news of a Top Gun sequel once upon a
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01:09:10.270 --> 01:09:14.329
time with a shrug and then I actually saw Maverick
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01:09:15.189 --> 01:09:20.130
and god damn it it was a great fucking movie So,
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01:09:20.869 --> 01:09:23.529
I guess, in Tom Cruise, we trust?
1295
01:09:24.130 --> 01:09:26.449
No, we don't, because the original Top Gun was a
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01:09:26.470 --> 01:09:28.989
good movie, and Days of Thunder was garbage. So you
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01:09:29.029 --> 01:09:30.819
got a good sequel to a good movie, you're going
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01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.659
to get a garbage sequel to a garbage movie.
1299
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:35.079
This is like a mathematical equation.
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01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:37.520
Just ask Randy Quaid. He's been vocal.
1301
01:09:39.180 --> 01:09:39.899
What a weirdo.
1302
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:45.550
He's calling out Cruise for not bringing back Nicole. I
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01:09:45.710 --> 01:09:46.569
kind of don't.
1304
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:47.960
Blame him.
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01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:52.390
I think that would be an interesting exercise if they
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01:09:52.470 --> 01:09:53.409
really want to do this.
1307
01:09:54.130 --> 01:09:58.470
But you're assuming that she would do it if asked.
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01:09:58.550 --> 01:10:01.329
I don't think she would. But I'm just saying, if
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01:10:01.350 --> 01:10:06.619
you wanted to actually wow me as a viewer, they
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01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:08.720
should pay her any amount of money to come back
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01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:10.859
and be that character. And if their characters hate each other,
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01:10:11.020 --> 01:10:12.300
all the better. More drama.
1313
01:10:13.899 --> 01:10:16.659
What, like they brought back Meg Ryan for Maverick?
1314
01:10:17.899 --> 01:10:21.039
Yeah, like that, man. Only less plastic surgery.
1315
01:10:22.939 --> 01:10:26.850
I mean, they brought back Val Kilmer. That was good.
1316
01:10:27.850 --> 01:10:31.930
Yeah, but, you know, I don't know. I don't imagine...
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01:10:33.130 --> 01:10:35.750
First of all, Anne Hathaway is in it, so automatically
1318
01:10:35.810 --> 01:10:41.079
my interest has plummeted by 50%. And then I just
1319
01:10:41.140 --> 01:10:44.340
have memories of that mellow, yellow fucking mobile riding around
1320
01:10:44.380 --> 01:10:47.109
in circles like, I don't care how impressively it was shot.
1321
01:10:47.670 --> 01:10:51.649
I was so bored by that first movie. The only
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01:10:51.689 --> 01:10:54.229
thing that I actually really enjoyed about that movie was
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01:10:54.270 --> 01:10:56.859
seeing that Michael Rooker was in a big studio movie
1324
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:00.680
after Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. I was like,
1325
01:11:00.739 --> 01:11:03.020
oh my God, that guy's fucking doing it. Good, good, good.
1326
01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:07.319
That was my feeling watching that initial movie.
1327
01:11:07.899 --> 01:11:10.699
I totally forgot that he was in that. That is
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01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:14.050
between him and Duvall. Those are the reasons to see
1329
01:11:14.090 --> 01:11:18.189
that movie. You're right. It was... The biggest crime was
1330
01:11:18.229 --> 01:11:21.510
it was boring. To me. And to you, it was boring.
1331
01:11:21.529 --> 01:11:26.399
The fucking outsider walks up and takes off his sunglasses. Like,
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01:11:26.460 --> 01:11:28.659
I could do that. And jumps in and becomes the
1333
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:33.359
best ever. It's like such a late 80s, early 90s
1334
01:11:33.579 --> 01:11:34.539
action-y idea.
1335
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:37.149
Did you see F1?
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01:11:38.909 --> 01:11:39.109
No.
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01:11:40.149 --> 01:11:44.520
It's good. Was it good? It's... I liked it. It
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01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.079
wasn't boring, I'll tell you that much. And it's got, obviously,
1339
01:11:49.140 --> 01:11:52.760
one of our favorites lately, Brad Pitt. He's quite good
1340
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:56.810
in it. Put it this way, I feel like, without
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01:11:56.869 --> 01:11:59.109
remembering too much about Days of Thunder, it's a really
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01:11:59.130 --> 01:12:00.029
good Days of Thunder.
1343
01:12:00.550 --> 01:12:02.810
Okay, well, Brad Pitt was also in Bullet Train, and
1344
01:12:02.829 --> 01:12:06.529
that was not so good. It was okay.
1345
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:07.069
It was fine.
1346
01:12:07.270 --> 01:12:10.479
It was okay. It was more of the same.
1347
01:12:11.260 --> 01:12:11.500
Yeah.
1348
01:12:11.579 --> 01:12:11.880
No, no.
1349
01:12:11.979 --> 01:12:15.340
We talked about this offline. It was okay. I don't
1350
01:12:15.380 --> 01:12:18.039
have any, you know, any great animosity towards it.
1351
01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:20.340
I'm just saying, I don't trust Brad Pitt just being
1352
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:20.840
Brad Pitt.
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01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:22.659
He's good in this.
1354
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:24.119
He's good in everything.
1355
01:12:25.510 --> 01:12:28.130
The thing is, you can tell when something is like
1356
01:12:28.149 --> 01:12:32.270
a passion project for him, he puts a little bit
1357
01:12:32.289 --> 01:12:34.569
more mustard into it. This is very good. And it's
1358
01:12:34.630 --> 01:12:38.130
shot really, really, really well. And it's the guy who did...
1359
01:12:40.010 --> 01:12:41.689
This is not going to be a great recommendation. He
1360
01:12:41.710 --> 01:12:47.369
did the Tron sequel, the first Tron sequel, Legacy. Joseph Kaczynski. Oh, no,
1361
01:12:47.369 --> 01:12:48.390
the same guy who did Maverick.
1362
01:12:48.590 --> 01:12:49.989
I was going to say, yeah, what are you talking about?
1363
01:12:50.029 --> 01:12:50.590
He did Maverick.
1364
01:12:51.109 --> 01:12:54.170
Yeah, yeah, he did Maverick 2. So the car stuff
1365
01:12:54.229 --> 01:12:54.890
is really good.
1366
01:12:55.250 --> 01:12:57.510
Who's going to make the next Rambo movie?
1367
01:12:59.289 --> 01:13:00.989
They already were making it, I thought.
1368
01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:03.220
It's going to be Young Rambo. Oh, that's right. They've
1369
01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.140
got a Young Rambo movie. Jesus. I was joking, but yeah,
1370
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:07.079
you're right. So prequel.
1371
01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:09.380
No, it's a real deal. And then like Stallone said
1372
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.119
that he wanted them to do Rambo, but to CG
1373
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:16.020
his face onto another younger actor's body, which is horrifying.
1374
01:13:16.779 --> 01:13:18.500
Well, that's par for the course with the man who
1375
01:13:18.539 --> 01:13:21.439
told the author of the book that Cobra was based on,
1376
01:13:21.689 --> 01:13:23.600
you should just take your name off of it and
1377
01:13:23.649 --> 01:13:24.649
put my name on it.
1378
01:13:24.649 --> 01:13:30.130
He's been continually beating the drum about this notion that
1379
01:13:30.789 --> 01:13:34.369
In the 60th anniversary year of Star Trek, there are
1380
01:13:34.470 --> 01:13:38.810
really no active films in development, which is a real shame.
1381
01:13:39.949 --> 01:13:42.279
Well, it's in development. It's just nothing being put to
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01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:43.220
lens right now.
1383
01:13:43.819 --> 01:13:47.039
Right, but this is such a big anniversary year. They
1384
01:13:47.539 --> 01:13:49.239
should have planned for this.
1385
01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:51.939
They should have, but there's a bunch of monkeys running
1386
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:52.720
the company now.
1387
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:56.000
Pretty much, but it's interesting because the thing that you're
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01:13:56.020 --> 01:13:59.020
most excited for is one of the few that is not,
1389
01:13:59.890 --> 01:14:04.590
a sequel or a retread or an adaptation of an
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01:14:04.750 --> 01:14:06.590
earlier property.
1391
01:14:07.390 --> 01:14:09.529
God forbid it. My taste is evolving.
1392
01:14:10.489 --> 01:14:14.850
Well, no, it means that, you know, we need more
1393
01:14:14.890 --> 01:14:18.909
of that. Moviegoers need more original programming. We need more
1394
01:14:18.989 --> 01:14:22.189
original ideas. I mean, this is not a new idea
1395
01:14:22.229 --> 01:14:26.550
that I'm espousing, but it's true. Do we really need another,
1396
01:14:26.630 --> 01:14:33.060
like a, another, Thundercats-type movie or another sequel to something.
1397
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:36.420
We don't. Got to raid all the IP. Got to
1398
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:41.130
squeeze every drop out of it. Whatever works, whatever it works.
1399
01:14:41.750 --> 01:14:43.670
And if they tell you they're going to make Part 3,
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01:14:43.670 --> 01:14:47.109
they're not going to do it. HB, where can people
1401
01:14:47.130 --> 01:14:48.189
find you when they're looking for you?
1402
01:14:49.130 --> 01:14:53.640
All right. I co-host the Night Mr. Walters Taxi Podcast
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01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:58.109
with my erstwhile co-host, Father Malone, here. I also host
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01:14:58.789 --> 01:15:02.909
the Noise Junkies music podcast when time and effort allows.
1405
01:15:03.210 --> 01:15:13.979
And I have a Bandcamp site, hpmusicplace.bandcamp.com.
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01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:16.560
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01:15:16.579 --> 01:15:19.220
We're on twice a week, Mondays and Fridays. And I've
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01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.680
got a Patreon channel and a bunch of shows over there, too.
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01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:23.539
We've got a brand new show this Monday. It's called
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01:15:23.579 --> 01:15:26.880
Button Switches and Consoles. We're looking at old tech. Old
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01:15:26.939 --> 01:15:30.659
movies starting off strong with The Net by Sandra Bullock.
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01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:32.479
That's the new show I'm doing with Laura Grillo. Check
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that out Monday. Until next time, everybody, try to enjoy
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