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Good evening to my friends, and welcome to midnight frequency Radio.
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Wherever this signal finds you tonight, whether you're crossing a
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lonely stretch of highway with only your headlights cutting through
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the darkness, sitting on a quiet porch beneath the sky
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with stars, are lying awake while the rest of the
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world sleeps. Thank you for letting me spend part of
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your night with you. There is something different about the
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hours after dark. The world grows quieter, the distractions fade,
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and the questions that we've been taught to ignore begin
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whispering a little louder. Questions about consciousness, about reality, about
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the limits of the human mind, questions that don't neatly
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fit into textbooks and don't disappear simply because they're inconvenient.
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Or decades, governments denied they were interested in psychic phenomenon,
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extrasensory perception, and remote viewing. Then the documents began to surface,
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programs were declassified, names emerged, and one name stood out
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above them. All Ingo Swan an artist, a visionary, a
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man whose extraordinary abilities helped launch one of the most
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controversial intelligence programs ever undertaken, who challenged everything we think
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we know about the relationship between mind, space, and time,
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and perhaps even reality itself. Tonight, we're going to follow
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that trail. We'll venture into the classified world of remote viewing,
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the CIA Stargate program, the astonishing successes, the unanswered questions,
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and the mysteries that continue to surround one of the
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strongest chapters in modern intelligence history. Was remote viewing merely
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an unusual psychological experiment or did it reveal something profound
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about human consciousness that we've only begin to understand. If
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consciousness isn't confined to the brain, if the mind can
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reach beyond distance, beyond time, then what else is possible.
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These aren't just fascinating questions. They may be the most
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important question humanity has ever asked. I'm Carl Richardson coming
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to you live from the beautiful Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas,
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and you're listening to midnight frequency Radio. My guest tonight
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is a filmmaker, researcher, and consciousness explorer Fabian Rush, whose
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work has carried him deep into the legacy of Ingo Swan,
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remote viewing, and the hidden history of human potential. Together,
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we're going to separate fact from fiction. Examine the evidence
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and perhaps discover that the truth is far stranger than
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either one. But first will pause for just a moment.
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When we return, Fabian Rush joins us live, and together
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will step beyond the boundaries of conventional thought into a
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place where intelligence agencies, psychic spies, and untapped power of consciousness.
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I'll intersect. So dim the lights, turn the volume up
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just a little. Leave your skepticism at the door, but
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bring your curiosity with you, because somewhere between what we
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know and what we've been told is where the truth
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has always been waiting. We'll be right back after this.
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Crushing into your speaker like an electronic shock. Midnight Frequency
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Radio seeks to bring these stories of ghosts, bigfoot you have,
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and conspiracy theories to you. Here is Carl Richardson on
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Midnight Frequency Radio.
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Here I am, indeed, and our guest, Sabian Russia is
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with us. Good evening, mister Russian. Welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.
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Good evening, Carl. It's so good to be here and
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talking with you.
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I guess the first place we should go tonight is
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a little bit about you. What got you interested in
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this subject? And I guess where did your journey begin?
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You know, I guess that's the perfect place to start.
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It's funny a lot of people in my personal life
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don't know me this way that, like you said in
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the intro, I'm a filmmaker and I've done all these
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other things. But what I have not talked about recently
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is early experiences I had as a really young person
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starting on when I was a really little kid, and
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then I guess I can briefly say that as a
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little kid, I started having what you would call like
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the predecessor of out of body experiences, where I would
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just imagine myself from different perspectives and things like that.
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So I had a very active imagination. And then it
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little things like that would happen where I would I
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would just slip out of my body and play in
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the yard or on a long drive. My parents would
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drive us from Virginia to New York and that was
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around eight hours, and I would slip out of my
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body and fly above the car, fly off into the distance,
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out of boredom, and then I would kind of phase
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back in. But I thought all that was still just
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my imagination. Then it was in high school in during
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the nineties that I started to meditate, mostly because I
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had anxiety issues on and off, and I thought, well,
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let me try and get a hold of myself. I'm
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having these mental health issues, so I hear meditations good
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for that. So I started breathing exercises and I would
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lie back on the couch in kind of this area
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of my parents' house where everybody was going to bed already,
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so it was just kind of me alone. So I
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would lie back, I would relax, close my eyes, do
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my breathing technique, and that is when I started slipping
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out of my body again. And for a while I thought, oh, well,
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this is my imagination running wild again. But there's my
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body on the couch, and let me see if I
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can just go in the backyard. So I would. I
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would leave the house, go into the backyard, float around
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a bit. And then now I was doing this metaation
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every night for months at this time, and I found
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I was able to go further and further away from
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the house. And one night I witnessed a car accident
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that was several miles from my home, and the next
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day I found out that there had actually been a
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car accident in that particular place that was far outside
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of my earshot. So this is not something I could
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have heard from my home, but I watched it happen,
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And next day I found out that somebody had died
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in that car accident, and that was the first time
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I thought, Wow, I think that was really really out
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of this world. I think I did something kind of
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real there. So that those were my earliest experiences and
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things definitely grew and became more intense.
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From there, was that the experience that completely changed your worldview?
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No, No, honestly, that was you know, at that point,
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on some level, I was still saying, this isn't this
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isn't real. This is just you know, I just have
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a really good imagination, and maybe I got a little
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lucky in terms of viewing something that I wasn't present for.
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So the life changing thing I would see. I would
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have visions of things, particularly in these outer body states.
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One thing that I will say this was life changing.
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I on one of these excursions, I saw some kind
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of a very unusual entity, a whole bunch of beings
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just kind of floating like these beautiful, luminous creatures. And
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so the next day I started drawing them. And now
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here I have to give a little bit of backstory.
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I was raised in a very Catholic, a very religious household,
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and these pictures were disturbing to my parents. So things went,
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Things got a little uncomfortable for a while. So I
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learned to stop talking about these experiences and certainly to
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stop drawing the pictures of things that I was seeing.
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And then a number of years later is when I
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started to see things online. Now, of course, back in
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the nineties, the internet was hardly something that was usable.
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It was nothing like it is today. So recently, within
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the last say ten years, I started seeing images of
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Bible accurate angels. Are you familiar with those that kind
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of imagery? Yes, yeah, Okay, well I started images of
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these things that were shown in the Bible, as in
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the Book of Ezekiel, these multi winged beings that those
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are the things I was drawing. And what was crazy
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to me is that I never would have thought it
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was an angel, because as a kid, as a person
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in high school, I thought that an angel was basically
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a person with wings, and so I never would have
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thought that I was seeing anything transcendent or unusual. I
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just thought I was seeing really bizarre essentially combinations of
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different animals but covered with wings, huge luminous wings all
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over them. I'm talking like between eight and probably twelve wings.
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It was this ridiculous looking so I thought, oh, well,
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that's definitely my imagination. So I think one of the
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life changing events was when I started seeing that imagery online.
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Later, when you first start an out of body experience,
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do you hear or fill a vibration.
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Yes, definitely, I would say one of the first yeah,
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right from the start, I would say, you know, I
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told you that I would lie down on the couch
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and do my breathing exercises I would be doing, and
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it was just it wasn't any kind of special breathing.
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It was just nice, deep, relaxing breaths. And then after
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about maybe five minutes of breathing like that, my whole
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body just started vibrating, almost out of control. But it
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felt good. It wasn't It didn't feel like I was
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having a seizure or anything. It just I just felt
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this really pleasant vibration all over myself. And then on
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my next exhale is when my perspective it was like
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I exhaled myself and my perspective was almost from the
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perspective of my exhaled breath, and then that became my
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perspective for the remainder of the experience.
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I've spoken with others that have had out of body experience.
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Have you ever had a situation real or hands would
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reach up and try to grab your ankles and I
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guess pull you into their domain. I guess within the
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astro projection.
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That is a very funny question. You know, it's I
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had not thought of it quite way you asked. I. So, yes,
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I have experienced the hands, but it wasn't something I
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saw coming. I've often thought of it as my imagination
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was hijacked and that I was having. Now, this happened
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after I was already out of my body. I'm just
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floating around and I was flying, and then I felt
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myself get grabbed or seized. And that's how I was
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often shown things, just grabbed and then taken somewhere specific.
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Others have spoke about that. I've never had an out
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of body experience, but I believe with that point that
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would scare me back enough to snack me back. I've
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had Marilyn hughes on and she's discussed that, and some
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other people that have been involved with astro projection and
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out of body experiences. Okay, were you always interested in
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these topics?
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Well?
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Did skepticism kind of come first?
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Skepticism? It was always skepticism. Wow, you know, even when
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I had these experiences, I think the skepticism came about
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because I learned not to talk about these things so much.
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People did not react to unusual stuff like what I
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was experiencing well, so I thought, on one level, I thought,
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maybe I'm crazy, And then on every other level, I said,
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I have to be skeptical about this because I'm actually
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more of a scientific minded person. I love science, and
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though I was raised Catholic, I started to veer away
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a bit from a religion a bit, mostly because of
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some of the things that I had witnessed. They didn't
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seem to line up with my understanding of religion at
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that time. Now I think some of those things may
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have changed a little bit, but for the most part, yes,
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I was always skeptical until decades later, around twenty fifteen,
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when I first learned about Ingo swan.
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All a religious aspect And you don't have to ask
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answer this if you don't wish to, but were a
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lot of the religious issues you had around the church leadership?
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That's a good question. The issues I suppose I had
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issues of why am I supposed to be afraid of
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this or that? Because I was I was given the
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sensation that I was told, essentially that what I was
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doing and the things I was seeing were kind of
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related to witchcraft, and as a young person, I think
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that sent me into a state of rebellion. So no,
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I wouldn't blame church leadership necessarily. I would blame my
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own perception of what I thought religion was supposed to mean.
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And I thought things were so simple because it's you know,
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when you go to church, it's taught on a very
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simple level where everything just kind of is laid out
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for you, and it all makes very good sense. But
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when you start to witness things that people would call
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religious experiences, there's nothing simple about it. And then suddenly
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I found myself questioning everything because I was seeing things
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out of the context that was laid out for me
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in the religious world.
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Yeah, I've been exposed to a number of religions. I
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was raised Southern Baptists, my mother got involved with Jehovah's Witnesses,
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and my wife is Catholic, so we go to the
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Catholic church. Okay, So I've seen so many different aspects
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of it. I've seen some church leaders that seem to
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relay their thoughts on how things should be besides what's
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actually written into Bible. So I've had different perspectives in
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front of me that makes me question things.
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You know what I'm saying, Yes, actually it sounds very
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similar to what I was dealing with, because a lot
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of people bring their own perspectives into religion, and that
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can contort the message a lot of the time. And
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what's in trusting in during out of body experiences. Now,
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A lot of what I was learning in church, and
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I guess this is probably a common experience in religion,
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is that so much of it is human centric. And
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what I was experiencing every time I would have an
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out of body experience, the human experience would diminish along
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with it, and I would become so distant from what
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it means to be human that I don't know. This
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is kind of strange. I almost don't know where I'm
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going with this sentence, because there's something about being human
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that becomes less important the further you are away from
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your body. Does that make sense?
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Yeah, And if you look at any saying as earthly realm,
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you have to understand religious was written for beyond that level. Yes, So, yes,
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I agree with you. There a lot of what space
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too much about humanity itself and not what's going on.
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Yes, i'd have that. I think that I think we've
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come to an agreement. I think that's what I was
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trying to say. That, yes, when when I'm not in
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the human body, there's so much that does not apply
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to what I then find myself to be, especially if
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I leave the earth or or find myself amongst animals,
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just outside of human civilizations like the city, Say I
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find myself in a jungle or in an arctic region.
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They're in those places you don't get a sense of right, wrong,
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good and bad, sin, all those religious concepts.
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You're suddenly just being Yeah, you're not bombarded from every
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direction with this this jargon. So yeah, who were some
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of your biggest influences early.
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On in terms of what we're talking about? Well, you know, honestly,
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my biggest influences were a filmmakers. I loved science fiction.
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I've always been into things like Star Trek and so
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I've always loved aliens things like that, so that was
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always fun. So in general, my influences were science fiction directors, producers,
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essentially Hollywood filmmakers. So I enjoyed that. But in terms
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of more of the things that we're talking about, I'd
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have to say, my only inspiration that I can really
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think of right now is Ingo Swan, because once I
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learned that other people experienced some of the same things
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I did. It made me, It made my skepticism step
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back a little bit, and then I was able to
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revisit things that I forced myself to stop thinking about.
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And it really came about as a justification for the
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things that I experienced. When I read Penetration and learned
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that he essentially astrally projected his consciousness to the Moon,
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I thought, Wow, I've done things similar. I haven't gone
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to the Moon, but I've been off planet. I've hovered
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above the Earth, and I've done things like that. I
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just hadn't thought about that in decades. What an amazing thing.
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Oh and not only that, he was also studied and
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funded by the US government. So then suddenly I learned
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that the things I was keeping quiet about were things
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that the government during the nineteen seventies studied very deeply,
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and they took it very seriously. So there go my
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inspirations right there.
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So how did you first discover and go? Was it
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to his books? Are workshops or something?
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Actually I was watching one of those random documentaries on
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UFO abductions and things like that, you know those videos
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you can find on streaming networks and on YouTube. I
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like watching that stuff. I was always fascinated by alien abduction.
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And one of these it was a podcast or something
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that happened to be on YouTube about extraterrestrial bases on
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the Moon and that book that was written in the
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seventies by I think it is George Leonard somebody Else's
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on the Moon. And so I was watching that documentary
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and then they mentioned a person who had sent their
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consciousness there, and it immediately made me tune in to
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what was being said, and they said, yes, well, this
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psychic named Ingo Swan was prompted to send his consciousness
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to the Moon to specific coordinates, and he was able
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to do this, and he saw these structures up close
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and there were people, and that really shocked me because
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that right there was right in line with my younger experiences.
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So that's that's really what did it.
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His rearing of these structures and things. Were they on
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the dark side of the moon facing away from us?
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Are That's a good question you'd have to assume. So,
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but as far as all the documentation goes that I've seen,
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and I think that's publicly available, he was just giving
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coordinates and not we don't know exactly what those coordinates
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were or exactly on what side of the Moon. I
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think people have guessed that these are in craters. Some
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of the craters might be visible from our side, but
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at that time that he was doing the viewing of
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these places, he only had coordinates, and this is just
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Moon coordinates, so you can't even really guess from the
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Earth's perspective.
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I have a break coming up here and then we'll
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be able to go for an hour. But I wanted
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to ask you, are you familiar with the story of
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Apollo twenty.
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I am? Is that the I believe that's one that
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there was some video footage that was shown that was
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released on YouTube. Is that correct? Yeah, yes, I've seen.
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That, and I think they went to the landing side
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of Pollo nineteen that never returned and found a female
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alien entity within the capsule that was I don't know
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if she was in suspended animation type or was deceased.
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But it's an interesting story, and a lot of people
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have attempted to debunk it. Yes, but but you know
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how that goes.
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One person, there will always be debunkers. But I've seen
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that footage and I thought, you know, this is actually
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very well done. As a filmmaker, I have to appreciate
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if that was done on film, it had to have
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a very good budget, so this was not a small
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indie production. A great deal of research and money has
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to go into creating something like that, even down to
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that female alien that they found. So I can't say
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it's I can prove it's real or otherwise. I know
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people who have remote viewed that site, and from their perspective,
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it did come across as real to them.
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I love seeing it. I've seen the cases where they've
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tried to debunk it. I've seen the cases where they've
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debunked the debunkers. So you know, you never know on
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something like that. It's like the case with Jonathan Reid.
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I know him personally, I believe his story, but there
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are so many things out there that say it it
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never happens. So you know, what can you do? Yeah,
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all right, we'll take our first break and then we
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won't have to take another one to the bottom of
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the second hour. Is that good with you?
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Sounds great? Thank you?
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All right, We'll be right back.
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Last night, adjamp on something.
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So girl with HI.
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This is Dark Space's News. I'm Joshua Stark. A new
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clinical trial is offering hope for patients with advanced stomach
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and gastro esophageal junction cancers. Researchers tested an experimental cart
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cell therapy called cytrus cell, a personalized treatment that reprograms
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a patient's own immune cells to attack cancer carrying a
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protein known as CLDN one point eight point two. The
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phase two trial involved one hundred and fifty six patients
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Participants receiving the car T cell therapy were compared with
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Stark, somebil and Morning winners straight.
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Want to take a journey into the unknown from the
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Carl Richardson, exclusively on the night Watch Digital Network. Now
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here's Carl.
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We're back with Fabian Rush. Fabian, Who do you feel
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Ingle Swan was beyond the well? Beyond the person? I
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guess we should say, wow.
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You know that is a wonderful question. Did you say,
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who do I feel he was?
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Yes?
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Yeah, you know. I'm I'll tell you this. I've been
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working on a documentary series with Ellie Flippin, Ingo's niece
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for a few years now, and my mind has been
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blown over and over again. For a while, it was
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being blown every single week as I would learn additional
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aspects of him. So I'd say, there's the public version
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of Ingo that everybody knows in you know, if you're
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interested in UFOs and if you're interested in remote viewing,
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you know of him as the person who would go
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to the conferences and then do a talk about the
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things he's seen and done, and it's all very professional
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and neat, and he's in this lovely suit. But the
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Ingo that I've come to know over the years is
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a party animal of what an amazing character. It's so funny.
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Ellie gave me hundreds of his personal pictures and effects.
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So I have all these things sitting in my in
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my office now that I'm going through while working on
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this documentary and trying to learn about him. And he
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used to have these wonderful wild dinner parties. He would
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go to Studio fifty four and in the seventies and.
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Yeah, big disco man.
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Just the people don't know how human and how fun
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he was. And that is what has been one of
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my better, my greater pleasures over the last few years
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is getting to know him. Now. He passed away in
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twenty thirteen, so sadly I never got to meet him
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in person. I didn't learn about him until after he
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was gone. So Ellie has been wonderful to kind of
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introduce me to him in the same way that she
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knew him. So I have an inside scoop on him.
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And you know she gave Now I say she gave
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me these pictures. It's alone so that once I'm finished
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with these, I can take it and add it to
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his archive at the University of West Georgia. And so
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for now I'm scanning these images in I'm going over
485
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.800
his military service record on all these different things, and
486
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:53.119
so yes, I knowing that I can't possibly be the
487
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.559
first filmmaker to take interest in Ingo, I had to
488
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.599
ask Ellie, like, wow, Ellie, of everyone, why is it
489
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.960
that you trust me with all of this information, this
490
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:14.039
personal information about Ingo? And it was funny. She just
491
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.599
said to me, because you're a lot like him, You
492
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.519
have his same energy. You guys both do a lot
493
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.280
of the same things, and you share a lot of
494
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.960
the same experiences. It blew my mind when she told
495
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.920
me that, But then as I got to know him more,
496
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.920
I started to see more and more of the similarities
497
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:35.840
between our lives.
498
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.840
Yeah, that's an honor in itself.
499
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.960
Yes, I think that's how I got the job, and
500
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.280
it has just been a wild ride ever since. But yes,
501
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:52.320
the Ingo I've come to know was a deeply thoughtful person.
502
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.320
Yes he could party. Oh the man could drink, and
503
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:01.719
yes he loved cigars. But at the same time, he
504
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:08.920
also questioned absolutely everything, even his own experiences. He would say, now,
505
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.400
I was told to travel to the moon, but I
506
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.559
was probably off. I'm not one hundred percent accurate. He
507
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.960
was always wanting to make sure that things were as
508
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.079
he wanted everything to be testable, and he didn't like
509
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:33.159
information that could not be proven and respected. And he
510
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:38.719
really invited criticism and he wanted that peer review. So
511
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.239
he is not a psychic that was going off and
512
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:48.840
making blind claims. He was somebody who was rigorously tested
513
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:55.559
in laboratory settings by physicists. And that is the person
514
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.880
that has become famous now. So we know about Ingo
515
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:06.119
because of that rigor and the millions of government spending
516
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.599
that went directly into his program.
517
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.599
My next guest question was what was what do you
518
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.480
feel made himself unique? But I think you just answered
519
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.519
that and everything you previous previously said. So how did
520
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.800
he become involved with government research? Did they approach him
521
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:27.960
or did he volunteer.
522
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.000
Or well, now here this is there's a fun backstory
523
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.840
to a lot of this. I mentioned his parties. When
524
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.360
he was in New York, he would have a lot
525
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:40.719
of a lot of dinner parties and and he was
526
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.519
invited to a lot. In particular, he went to uh
527
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:51.079
the these parties with a woman named Zelda Sepli, and
528
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.719
they would have Virgo parties. And at these Virgo parties,
529
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.599
a lot of uh very interesting people would attend, so
530
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.480
members of the CIA, various other personnel in government. She
531
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.960
was highly connected and some people believe that she was
532
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:15.679
in intelligence herself. So there were a lot of interesting
533
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:22.239
people coming to these parties, including physicists as well. And
534
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.480
Ellie and I uncovered that even though it was called
535
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.519
a virgo party, a lot of the people in attendance
536
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.119
were not virgos. We have the theory that these high
537
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:40.480
ranking people were attending these parties specifically to meet Ingo,
538
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:45.960
and now that is a bold claim, but he and
539
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.559
Zelda were the only two virgos at these parties, so
540
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.440
it made us question a lot of things. But yes,
541
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.280
a lot of the government testings started with people who
542
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.599
were attending these parties, the first of which one of
543
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:09.360
the big ones was doctor Gertrude Smidler, who was She
544
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.880
worked at one of the universities I want to say
545
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.800
it was one of the universities in New York. The
546
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.719
name is slipping my mind right at the moment. But
547
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:25.440
she ran a experiment with him where he was manipulating
548
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.480
the temperature using his mind inside of thermisters that she
549
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.159
had set up. So she is one of these scientists
550
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:39.440
who had equipment with a desire to test things that
551
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.360
she had heard about him and things that she had
552
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.159
possibly even witnessed at some of these parties. So it
553
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:53.159
started off small, with parties where he would do unusual
554
00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:01.039
things that seemed very peculiar or mystical. Almost he was
555
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:07.199
getting the attention of scientists. I mentioned Gertrude Schmidler, and so, yes,
556
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.239
it I think it really mostly started with her. I
557
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.440
also mentioned her in the documentary because it was her
558
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.119
work with Ingo that eventually caught the attention of the
559
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:27.000
physicists at Stanford Research Institute. That's how put Off and
560
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.639
Russell targ So it kind of blew up from there.
561
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.239
But it started with the little parties.
562
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.119
So Gertrude was probably the first to recognize his abilities.
563
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.199
I would say she was among the first. Okay, definitely
564
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.639
among the first. There were several people psychologists at the
565
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.360
same time that that would have been at these parties
566
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:54.519
to see this and actually, gosh, this is rough. You know,
567
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.239
It's it's late at night here here in my time zone.
568
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:03.760
It's almost eleven PM, so strangely, strangely, I can't believe
569
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.079
I'm forgetting the name of the plant guy, the guy
570
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.159
who ran experiments on plants and tested their ability to
571
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.559
communicate with one another.
572
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.639
I know who you're talking about. What I'm the same
573
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.079
with you. I can't remember his name.
574
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:25.320
I am googling him right now to try and find him.
575
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.159
This is what an unusual thing, because I never I
576
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.679
never forget this, and I almost hope you can cut
577
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:34.800
this out even while I do a quick search here.
578
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.480
Oh, I can do that in editing. But go ahead,
579
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:39.599
it's no problem. You can look stuff up.
580
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.039
Okay, yeah, let me just take a quick look here,
581
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.320
because I can't believe that my mind is given up
582
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:44.880
on me here.
583
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.440
At my age, mine gives up on me often.
584
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.280
So here we go. All right, I'm ready to resume
585
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.800
the scientist's name. Now, this was a former CIA interrogation
586
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.880
specialist names Cleve Baxter.
587
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:01.800
Oh yeah, yeah, So.
588
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.119
Cleve Baxter also met NGO at one of these parties.
589
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.360
So the interesting thing here is how many of the
590
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.880
big scientists that everybody's heard of that met him specifically
591
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.159
at parties and then went on to work with him.
592
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.280
What roles did Russell Targan Harold Pietroth's play.
593
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.880
Well, they were both I think they were specializing at
594
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:31.320
Stanford Research Institute in laser physics, just doing various experiments
595
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.239
at the university, and they kind of backed into psychic research.
596
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.800
Neither of them were focused on that at the time,
597
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:47.039
but how put Off was curious about the way information
598
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.480
can travel, and he was doing research on several aspects
599
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.000
of this, and he sent a letter to Cleeve Baxter
600
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.880
because he knew about the plant experiments where Cleve essentially
601
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:06.400
had attached electrodes to the leaves of plants, and he
602
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.840
discovered that if he were to say something kind of
603
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:16.719
threatening to a plant, then then then the plant would
604
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:22.719
register something on his measurement devices. And of course he
605
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:26.679
was an interrogation specialist, so he was used to, you know,
606
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:31.000
using light detector equipment, and so when the plants were
607
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:35.719
being monitored by these light detectors, it picks up on
608
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:43.679
micro jumps in various frequencies that biological systems give off.
609
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.599
So when Cleave would say certain things or threaten to
610
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.159
burn a leaf on a plant, for example, the plants
611
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.880
their frequencies would change as if in response to what
612
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.800
he was doing. Now, he published this and how put
613
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.679
Off saw that publication and saw where he could learn
614
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.800
some information. He wanted to work specifically with Cleve Baxter
615
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.880
to learn a little bit more about how that worked.
616
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.199
And Cleve Baxter was busy at the time, and he said, well,
617
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.079
you know what about talking with this subject that I'm
618
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:26.840
working with. Ingo Swan comes into the office to do
619
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:31.239
little psychic experiments with the plants, and those psychic experiments
620
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.760
are registering on this same equipment that they're using. So
621
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.440
here he is, why don't why don't you guys hook up?
622
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.800
So that was how that connection was made, or at
623
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.679
least a very brief description of it. I've heard how
624
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.440
put Off tell the story and he goes into much
625
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.840
more detail. It's funny because how put Off was not
626
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.599
looking into psychic anything. That was not his goal. That
627
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.960
was just kind of thrust upon him. And then when
628
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:07.360
Ingle later flew out flew out to the university to
629
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.559
work with him and Russell. This happened to be during
630
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.559
the Cold War era, at a time when the CIA
631
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.360
was very nervous about a lot of things, and when
632
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.960
it came to light that these psychic abilities seemed to
633
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:27.079
be real, that's when they came in with funding for
634
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.800
SRI to do these experiments and eventually developed remote viewing.
635
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:37.000
What do you think convinced intelligence agencies this deserved serious attention.
636
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.880
There were several things. I think what started the nervousness
637
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.440
with the CIA.
638
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.920
They're always nervous.
639
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.000
Oh yes, they.
640
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:49.280
Exactly.
641
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.280
All you have to do is mention something to them
642
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.920
and they will be you know, they've got to be
643
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:59.679
right on it. So what was happening during the nineteen
644
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.440
six these actually at this point was that the CIA
645
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:11.480
had gotten intelligence that Russian spies and there were essentially
646
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:18.119
Russians that were able to psychically spy on operations. The
647
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:22.679
USSR was putting a lot of money into the research
648
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:27.760
and development of psychic capabilities, mind to mind, intelligence gathering
649
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:32.880
and all that stuff, and we knew they were doing experiments.
650
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.159
So the CIA looked at that, saw the amount of
651
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.519
money going into and thought, whoa, they're taking it seriously.
652
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.079
I wonder if we need to do that too, And
653
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:47.920
so it was introduced to the CIA that way. But
654
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:54.320
then the CIA caught wind through Clevebaxter as well as
655
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.119
some of the experiments at SRI that there was something
656
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:05.719
to all thispcially when Ingo and another one of the
657
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:10.760
test subjects, Pat Price, were given the task of psychically
658
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:18.480
viewing an unknown position in the woods. This was a
659
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:23.760
position that was given to them by an interusted party.
660
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.920
It turned out that this was a log cabin that
661
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:32.239
this person was, that this person owned, and Ingo and
662
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.800
Pat Price essentially mentally traveled to this cabin. They were
663
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:40.840
able to view it, and they thought, well, this can't
664
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.199
be the target. This is too boring. I don't want
665
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.239
to turn in this information because it's probably wrong. Let's
666
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.239
look around the area and see if there's something else.
667
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:56.880
So they looked around and they found this facility right
668
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.440
nearby that was hidden amongst the trees. They entered this
669
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:06.119
facility mentally. Of course, they started to sketch out the
670
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:10.840
interior layout of this facility, and Pat Price was actually
671
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.760
able to kind of stick his head into the files
672
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.320
and read some of the names on the files. And
673
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:25.000
so they turned in all this data to to how
674
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.039
put off and rustle in and that it turned out
675
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:33.079
that facility was a top secret facility. It was not
676
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.360
intended that they would view that target, but they found
677
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:40.119
it anyway, and so that horrified members of the CIA.
678
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.599
So next thing you know, these CIA people are showing
679
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:49.239
up at SRI demanding answers as to how they got
680
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.920
a hold of this information. And how had to tell
681
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.320
them that, oh, no, we were just doing psychic experiments.
682
00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.400
They just they were just reporting data. And the next thing,
683
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.519
you know, the CIA, for as far as they're concerned,
684
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:07.679
it was confirmed. And so they said, all right, we're
685
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.559
going to need you to look into this, keep experiment
686
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.639
and keep developing this. Here's some money, So they started
687
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.679
funding SRI to run this program, which would eventually become
688
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.519
known as Stargate. Yeah, this was all under the mk
689
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:23.800
Ultra umbrella.
690
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:26.239
You just answered two of my questions. So let's let
691
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:31.559
me skip to sure sure what kind of missions were
692
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:35.679
remote viewing assigned? Was it like this or did it
693
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.679
eventually go to where they were reviewing Russian agents or
694
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.639
Russian military to try to determine what their moves were becoming.
695
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.599
Well, it had to start, simply, it had to start
696
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:52.880
with things that were easy to test and prove, so
697
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.159
over and over again, they had to do really boring tests,
698
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:02.000
like like they'll have a picture of something abstract, for example,
699
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.840
and then they would put that in another room or
700
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:10.559
in a sealed envelope and then have Ingo describe what
701
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.239
that thing was. So Ingo had no idea. This is
702
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.639
called a blind target. So Ingo had no idea what
703
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.280
they were hiding from him. They just said, give us
704
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.840
your impressions, tell us what you think this thing is.
705
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:30.480
So at the time before remote viewing was developed, this
706
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.000
was more of an out of body technique. So Ingo
707
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.920
would essentially leave his body, he would go into the
708
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:42.199
other room or he would float up into whatever basket
709
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.360
would be hidden on the ceiling from him. He would
710
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:48.559
view what this target was and then he would draw it,
711
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.280
and over time he became more and more accurate. So
712
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.559
those were the early experiments to kind of get a
713
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.400
baseline of the kind of information that you could expect
714
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.400
from this sort of intelligence gathering. And then later with
715
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.840
Project Stargate, places like the Monroe Institute came into play
716
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:16.519
where they were beginning to train military army personnel on
717
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.440
how to leave their bodies and go to sites, specifically
718
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.360
flying out to places and I say flying flying in
719
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.039
the out of body state over to the Soviet Union.
720
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.320
So yes, they were starting to spy on targets in
721
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:39.119
the Soviet Union. Joseph mcmonagall is the he's considered remote
722
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.000
viewer zero zero one, So he was kind of the
723
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:49.159
star of that early Russian program that was established a
724
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:56.280
few years after the successful projects established by Ingo at SRI.
725
00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.519
I know they were used during the Cold War. Did
726
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.400
they ever locate missing aircraft or hostages?
727
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.599
Absolutely? That was actually one of the very things that
728
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:13.719
was done at Ingo Hella Hammered. At least the two
729
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.360
of them were tasked. A plane had gone down. I
730
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.639
assume you asked me that question because you've heard of
731
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:20.800
that particular target.
732
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:21.280
Is that right?
733
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.239
Yes, okay, yes that was a target. So, yes, a
734
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.239
plane had gone down, and from our satellites we could
735
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.119
not find it. I honestly can't even remember what country
736
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.880
that it went down in. Was that Africa or South America?
737
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.440
Somewhere in a jungle, this plane went down, and the
738
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:45.000
jungle was so thick the satellites could not penetrate and
739
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.199
find it. So they brought in remote viewers and they
740
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:56.239
were actually accurately able to say this is where the
741
00:55:56.239 --> 00:56:00.239
plane went down. Within a three mile radius. They were
742
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.559
able to they were able to make the recovery.
743
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:07.320
Do you think the Soviet psychic program was ahead of ours?
744
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.079
I think they probably got a jump start on it.
745
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:16.239
I think they started before us, but I think we
746
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.880
caught up very quickly. And you know, toward the end
747
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:25.639
of the remote viewing programs, Americans and Soviets, well Russians
748
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.000
at the time were starting to get together to compare notes.
749
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.719
So you know, there's a lot of chaos going on,
750
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:38.000
and sometimes enemies aren't as as deeply enemies as you
751
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:42.000
would have thought, because yes, there were times when Soviets
752
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:47.280
and Americans would be in the same classroom discussing how
753
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.639
these psychic abilities worked. Of course, that came much later.
754
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.760
Did China ever conduct similar research.
755
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.920
I'm sure they did. Now I don't know much about that.
756
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:04.400
I have not followed. My thoughts on where China stand
757
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.639
in all this is that everything we're talking about in
758
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.920
the world of remote viewing and all this stuff, this
759
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:16.320
is all Western world stuff that we as Westerners are
760
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:21.880
kind of late to the party on. Whereas the Eastern world,
761
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.639
and I'm talking about China and India and those places,
762
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.719
they've been talking about the nature of consciousness for thousands
763
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:34.920
of years and they've kept detailed records and we essentially
764
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:41.480
learn meditation from them. So in the world of out
765
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:45.719
of body understanding and the nature of consciousness, I would
766
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.920
say the Eastern world is way ahead. They've been ahead
767
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.800
of the Western world by thousands of years, because you've
768
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.519
got to remember the Western world experienced the Dark Ages
769
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:03.159
where where books, uh, you know, we lost the Library
770
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.400
of Alexandria. Books were burned over and over again, we
771
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.599
had witchcraft trials, We had all these times where knowledge
772
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.480
was destroyed, and it was knowledge. A lot of that
773
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:22.800
knowledge was specifically pertaining to human abilities. And one of
774
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.360
the areas where such records were not destroyed would have
775
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:30.519
been various places in China. So my thoughts are that
776
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.559
we are really late to the party, and I'm sure
777
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:37.719
Chinese intelligence has has stuff that the world would never know.
778
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.519
Why is the Western governments and everything else? Why are they?
779
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.719
Are they afraid of the capability of the human mind
780
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:48.599
to destroy information like that?
781
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:56.559
Well you said destroy information? That that that kind of
782
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:01.239
that's kind of two questions almost the one I it's
783
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.119
a good question like do are they destroying information because
784
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:11.039
they're afraid of the truth of what the the natural
785
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:15.360
human abilities are? Is it a cover up? And that
786
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.039
so that's a very good question. It might very well
787
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.800
be a cover up. And then there's the other. All
788
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.559
the other alternative I consider is that when somebody knew
789
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.760
is coming to power and they just want to erase
790
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.639
what came before them for one reason or another. Be
791
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:37.199
it a king in England who was really furious with
792
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320
with say some kind of a pagan group in Ireland.
793
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.000
So they go in and they destroy everything. Uh, in
794
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:48.119
that situation, it might not be a cover up. It
795
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.920
might just be we want to erase you people, and
796
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:57.119
so so it it's probably a mix of different situations
797
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.599
that that led to that destruction of destruction of information?
798
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.840
Why do you think stargate was officially shut down? And
799
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.719
the next question asked a bet would be was it
800
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.679
really shut down?
801
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:16.199
The name Stargate was shut down, and that specific program
802
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.760
was probably I do this in air quotes, probably shut down.
803
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.199
You know, you just change the name of a program
804
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.159
to something else. So why was it shut down? I've
805
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.719
heard how put Off talk about this a little bit.
806
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:37.519
That there was a change of administration with the people
807
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.400
that were funding Stargate. So there's that the new administration
808
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.599
did not see the value of it because they were
809
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:50.400
not present during the Cold War. And so also the
810
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:55.440
information that comes from remote viewing can now I don't
811
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.960
know if you've seen examples of the remote viewing data,
812
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:04.199
but sometimes it can be or sometimes you really need
813
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.960
to know how to read it. And if certain questions
814
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:11.320
can arise where somebody would say, well, what's this a
815
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:13.480
picture of I don't understand what this is supposed to be.
816
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.960
You really need proper feedback to prove that what you're
817
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:21.480
viewing is accurate. So there were a number of factors
818
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:26.039
that would lead to Stargate being shut down. Also, of
819
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:30.400
course MK Ultra was a very controversial program to begin with,
820
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:36.679
so there were certain things that were being shut down
821
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.360
shut down, and you know a lot of the MK
822
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:43.280
Ultra documents have been burned now that includes a lot
823
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:48.400
of documentation on Ingo. When Ellie was trying to find
824
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:52.800
additional military service records for me to organize with the
825
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:58.320
rest of his work, she had contacted his army unit
826
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.360
and all that stuff, and it turned out that at
827
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.920
the warehouse where a lot of his information was stored
828
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:09.239
burned down magically. So it just burned down.
829
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.639
It just was an accident. Somebody dropped cigarettes.
830
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.800
Exactly exactly, and of course it happened. You know, this
831
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:22.960
is mk It's funny how flammable MK Ultra documents are. There.
832
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.480
If there's one document that's going to burn, it's going
833
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:26.119
to be one of.
834
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.400
Those so they soap their their paper and alcohol or.
835
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:33.880
Something exactly exactly. So, so yeah, it's it's funny what
836
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:40.119
information is removed from from everywhere. But the second part
837
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.599
of your question about if the program continued on, well,
838
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:49.480
I'm pretty certain it has. I'm happy that in the
839
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:57.840
mid nineties Stargate was declassified because it really opened up
840
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.920
a lot of information to a world of people that
841
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.239
think like you and me, that are interested in this stuff.
842
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:11.639
And then finally something amazing was declassified about human capability.
843
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.800
So this is not new information. It's been in the
844
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.039
public sphere since the mid nineties I think about ninety
845
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:24.039
five actually, So that was the declassification of one remote
846
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:33.159
viewing program. I would imagine that sure many programs sparked
847
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:36.960
after that that were just not under necessarily under the
848
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:41.960
mk Ultra umbrella. But if it's a useful tool, use it.
849
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.760
And I know people that work with the police department,
850
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.800
essentially psychics that work with the police department, particularly when
851
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:57.880
finding missing persons or bodies. So there is an unspoken
852
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:03.000
yet official use psychic people in a lot of countries
853
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:04.760
in official capacities.
854
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.480
I'm going to ask you a question on your impression
855
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.119
of major Ed Dames. Now, if you would prefer not
856
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.519
to go there, I understand.
857
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.440
But understandable you you can ask me, and I will
858
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.599
I will carefully answer.
859
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.599
Well, his predictions on the kill shot, solar eruptions and
860
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.719
stuff kind of never took place, or or his dates
861
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:35.039
were off and it yet to transpire. But what is correct?
862
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:36.280
What are your thoughts on that?
863
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:43.679
Well, I have My thoughts are all just a combination
864
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:48.440
of what I've heard from other people. Now, I've heard
865
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.760
from some of his classmates under under Ingo Swan when
866
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:56.079
it because he was one of Ed Dames was one
867
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:02.360
of Ingo's direct students. And what I heard from some
868
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:04.719
of the others that happened to be in that same
869
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.840
class receiving the remote viewing training is that often Ed
870
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.800
would say something in quotes, he would say something stupid,
871
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:19.679
Ingo would apparently yell at him, and then everybody else
872
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:22.199
got to just kind of relax while Ingo was dealing
873
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:26.000
with Ed. So now that is something I heard from
874
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.360
somebody who was in the unit. So I'll leave that
875
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:34.559
one alone personally, though, and I'll come back around to
876
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.280
the kill shot in a moment here, I was watching
877
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:43.320
a back when I had a gaya subscription the Gaya Network,
878
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:47.679
the TV network. I saw ed a major ed Dames
879
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.159
in an interview on one of their shows talking about
880
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.079
how early on in the programs they used out of
881
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.519
body techniques to try and do this psychic spying and
882
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.679
that it was less it was less useful than the
883
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.079
remote viewing techniques that were developed later where you did
884
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.840
not have to leave your body. And he mentioned that
885
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:15.719
because of how distractable people become when they're out of
886
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:21.880
their body, how you could not get very useful information.
887
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.760
And I will tell you directly in my own personal
888
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:31.000
experience that I, unfortunately I do have to agree with
889
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:37.079
that statement, because there have been several occasions that I've
890
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.280
tried to do a remote viewing out of my body
891
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:45.000
and the amount of stuff that will distract you, just
892
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:47.119
the excitement of first of all, being out of your
893
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.480
body and looking at your body laying there on the couch.
894
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:53.599
A lot of people don't get past that part. I
895
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.119
was already used to it, so when I was trained
896
01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.840
in remote viewing in the particular brand of it where
897
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.400
you do leave your body, I would leave my body
898
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:07.800
and then my distraction would come in that I would
899
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:11.360
lose interest in the target sometimes I would make it
900
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.639
to the target. Other times I would just flutter off
901
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:20.840
somewhere else and either leave the Earth altogether, or slip
902
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:27.599
into some other realm of Earth, or travel slightly into
903
01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.559
the past or slightly into the future, or or find
904
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.320
somebody walking down the street really drunk and follow them
905
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:38.039
for a while because they're flailing and I'm becoming concerned
906
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:45.280
about them. So Ed Dames said things that were valuable,
907
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:52.920
and then he also allowed himself to lose objectivity in
908
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.320
my opinion, And now this is all just my opinion
909
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:02.519
on the kill shot. Now, when you have a future prediction,
910
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.880
one thing you have to acknowledge is that the future
911
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:11.079
might not necessarily be set all on one timeline, and
912
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:16.159
that as there are different choices presented to you every day,
913
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.800
each of those choices has a whole universe of possibilities
914
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:27.399
connected to it. So the idea of a kill shot, sure,
915
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.439
something like that might happen. I think often he was
916
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.039
making reference to something that the Sun would do, like
917
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.840
that the Sun would send out some kind of a horrible,
918
01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:44.319
massive electromagnetic wave that would disrupt things or possibly even
919
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:52.119
become harmful to life on Earth. So yes, there's that,
920
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.960
But as a remote viewer, you have not, in the
921
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.079
words of somebody like Ingo, have not really done remote
922
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.680
viewing until you've gotten feedback, and it does have to
923
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.600
be blind. So to make predictions like a kill shot
924
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.119
is something that I would not I would not myself
925
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:19.720
put much stock into. That's just my opinion because I
926
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.880
choose not to live every day in the fear of
927
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:27.399
something out of control coming my way as an attack.
928
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:32.560
So that might That was a very opinionated answer, and
929
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:34.920
I guess I was not necessarily careful with it. If
930
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.520
I was sitting here with Ed right now, if he
931
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:39.920
if he was alive and I was talking to him,
932
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.680
I would have sent said that more gently, but I
933
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.960
would I would have challenged him, and I would have said,
934
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:49.920
you know, if you keep talking about the kill shot
935
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.600
and you assign dates to it, and those dates come
936
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:59.279
and go, it's not okay to then keep talking about
937
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.920
it and say that the date is unknown, because then
938
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.600
you're just kind of dragging out something and people will
939
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.840
start to question it more and more, and it damages
940
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:15.439
the words remote viewing, the whole concept, and it brings
941
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:18.239
those things into questions. So that's the long drawn out,
942
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.319
not safe answer that I had promised.
943
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.680
Well, yeah, that's okay, I was. I agree with your
944
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.880
statement to it could have been something he was remote,
945
01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:31.199
we weren't from an alternate timeline, yeah, Or it could
946
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:37.239
have been a misinterpretation where instead of a like solar
947
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:40.439
flare or coronal mass ejection or something to that effect,
948
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.199
it could have been more of an EMP type situation
949
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.640
which could have took out all communications and power lines
950
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.119
and everything else on Earth. Because there's so many different
951
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:55.199
forms of a so called kill shock, different things that
952
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.720
it could affect without actually destroying the earth of the
953
01:10:57.800 --> 01:10:59.279
people exactly.
954
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.600
It's a very up in the air concept and I've
955
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:09.479
heard that over and over again for many years, and
956
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.600
I just I chose to not focus on it, and
957
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.039
so I kind of stepped back, and I figured, if
958
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:19.079
the sun does something, and it is something that disrupts
959
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:25.159
our technology, how long will the disruption be. If it
960
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:28.000
turns out it was for a few hours, a few days,
961
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.560
or a few weeks, then you know, we'll get over it.
962
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:32.920
We just lived through COVID.
963
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.439
Yeah, yeah, that was roughless in itself. Of course. Now
964
01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:45.199
we have the lettuce that's causing explosive diarrhea. That's a subject.
965
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.560
Exactly. I don't know how many remote viewers foresaw the
966
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:51.039
diarrhea lettuce coming.
967
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:55.399
I haven't heard any yet, but somebody.
968
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:55.640
Had to us.
969
01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:58.760
Sure, sure, probably Can you.
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01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:02.199
Give your exact definition of what remote viewing is?
971
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:10.159
There are several There are several and me give a
972
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:16.399
moment of thought to this because of those several possible definitions.
973
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.840
Now there are those that would focus on the you
974
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:25.159
leave your body and remote view and then there's what
975
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.000
I've come to kind of see. So I'll say that
976
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:34.960
remote viewing I'll start by saying it referring specifically to
977
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:38.199
what Ango Swan gave us and what came out of
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01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.439
Stanford Research Institute, I would say it's a trainable protocol
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01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:50.840
that is designed to acquire information about a hidden target
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01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:56.319
without the use of your ordinary senses. And when I
981
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.439
say without the use of your ordinary senses, I'm definitely
982
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:06.319
referring to psychic abilities innate to the human being and
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01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:11.000
probably other animals. But yes, an ability that we can
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01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:16.079
tap into. So remote and I'll have to say this
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01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:20.000
above many other things. So that's a basic definition of
986
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:24.880
remote viewing. But in terms of the kind of remote
987
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.279
viewing that the government is willing to pay for. It
988
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:33.840
has to be blind. The viewer cannot know what the
989
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:37.520
target is, anything about the target. They can't be front
990
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:42.960
loaded with information. Like back in the CIA days of
991
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.239
the Soviet Union, you really didn't want to tell the
992
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:49.600
remote viewers that they're going to Russia to view this
993
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:52.840
specific site because then they can make up whatever they
994
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:56.800
want about that site and then hope they're right. And
995
01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.279
based on the information, it could be fifty to fifty
996
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:02.840
are their bombs at this site? Is there a submarine
997
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:03.319
at this site?
998
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:03.600
Yes?
999
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.640
Or no? So true remote viewing is when the viewer
1000
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:13.439
does not know what they're being asked to give their
1001
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:17.000
impressions about. And that's a very important thing right now
1002
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.640
because there are a lot of YouTubers that are saying
1003
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:25.279
they remote viewed a particular event, and what they're really
1004
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:29.079
doing is saying that they left their body, they had
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01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.520
an out of body experience, they traveled to this site
1006
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:35.760
and then they saw it happened firsthand. But they knew
1007
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:38.399
ahead of time what they were going to do, and
1008
01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:45.760
so that immediately, in my mind, negates their remote viewing terminology.
1009
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:51.000
And it's great for YouTube, but it destroys the name
1010
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.920
and any credibility that comes along with what Stargate gave us.
1011
01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:02.279
Remote viewing is different than psychic into wish correct, Yes,
1012
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.079
can anyone learn it?
1013
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:12.199
I think so. I think anybody who's interested people, you know,
1014
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:17.359
I've had to think about that a lot. Actually, I
1015
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:21.359
used to say anyone can do this. I personally think
1016
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.760
anybody has the ability to have an out of body experience.
1017
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.399
Anybody has the ability to remote view. And then I
1018
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:33.399
learned about how diverse people are. There are so many
1019
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:38.159
people if you ask them to sit for ten minutes
1020
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:44.039
and meditate, they absolutely cannot do it. If I personally,
1021
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:46.840
I'm not a sporty person, I will never make it
1022
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.640
to the Olympics. So there's a massive diversity in what
1023
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:55.279
people can and cannot do. So what comes easy to somebody,
1024
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.000
say a psychic ability, will come innately to a lot
1025
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.000
of people, and they might downplay it. They might not
1026
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.199
realize that it's a psychic ability. They might just think
1027
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.880
it's you know, they'll call it their gut feeling, when
1028
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:17.600
really it is something on a psychic level. So instead
1029
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.720
of saying anybody can do it, I'd say anybody who
1030
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:28.680
knows how to focus, relax their minds and temporarily turn
1031
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:32.119
off their mental filters, the filter that says, oh, this
1032
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:36.960
can't be done. Those are the people who will be
1033
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.800
able to remote view and tap into these abilities.
1034
01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.119
I brought this up last week with Augi Nas. But
1035
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.399
if you go to a Walmart at four am in
1036
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:51.479
the morning, nobody in there looks like they have the
1037
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.239
abilities to remote view.
1038
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:59.920
So it's you know, it's funny you never know by
1039
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.680
looking at somebody for like when you when I think
1040
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:08.079
about myself, this stupid. Now, I've made some stupid movies,
1041
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:12.359
you know I'm into. I used to make horror films
1042
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:18.399
and really low budget, B grade junk movies, mostly for
1043
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.880
fun with my friends. And I got lucky for some
1044
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.720
of these things to get distribution. But if you were
1045
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:27.319
to look at who I am on a day to
1046
01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.880
day basis the goofy stuff I've gotten into. I'm also
1047
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.520
in a hard rock band. Like all the things I do,
1048
01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:36.439
you would never think.
1049
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:36.880
I was.
1050
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.359
Well, a lot of the people in my regular life
1051
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:45.479
would not think I had any sort of ability. And
1052
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.399
you go to a place like Walmart, and yeah, you
1053
01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:52.560
might not see it. And yet you never really know
1054
01:17:53.319 --> 01:18:00.319
how many people are innately using incredible abilities without even
1055
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.279
their own knowledge. Now, remote viewing, of course, is specific.
1056
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:07.760
You sit down with a paper and pen and set
1057
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:13.239
out to remote view as a target practice. But if
1058
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:16.279
you're speaking more broadly about something like an out of
1059
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:21.600
body experience or a lucid dream, then suddenly you're opening
1060
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:28.119
up to a much larger population that goes beyond any
1061
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:34.760
sort of cultural or ethnic or in terms of the
1062
01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:37.039
Walmart thing, where you might be talking about people of
1063
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:42.520
different classes. Financially, there's no boundary there.
1064
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.319
Well, hey, I've been to walmarted for a so I'm
1065
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.079
sure I stand out just like the others.
1066
01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:53.039
I've done it too. Every now and then I need
1067
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:56.760
a late night snack, and I'm a chocolate fiend, so
1068
01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.920
I will be found in Walmarts from time to time.
1069
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:03.000
How long do you think it takes to become proficient
1070
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:04.119
in remote viewing?
1071
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:05.479
Oh?
1072
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:07.039
Wow, yours?
1073
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:12.680
Well, the remote viewing, if you're really serious about it,
1074
01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:16.520
it takes a lot of practice. I've been trained in
1075
01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:21.000
two remote viewing protocols now, that's the out of body
1076
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:26.239
protocol that the Monroe Institute teaches, which is extended remote viewing,
1077
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.239
as well as CRV controlled remote viewing, which is what
1078
01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.439
Ingo Swan developed I've been trained in both of those,
1079
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:44.399
and you might have some beginner's luck, but you might
1080
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:49.359
be working at becoming truly proficient for years. And it's
1081
01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:52.000
something that you really have to stick with, and I'll
1082
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:56.720
tell you why. When you first start, you sit down
1083
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:00.680
in a room by yourself. All you know are the
1084
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:05.439
target numbers or target coordinates. You sit down with that paper,
1085
01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:10.000
and you immediately one start doubting yourself. You start thinking, oh,
1086
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:12.960
this can't be real. Even if you have heard about
1087
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.720
remote viewing working. There's a part of your brain that
1088
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.920
kicks in immediately and says, oh, I can't do this.
1089
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:19.560
I'm not the kind of person who's going to be
1090
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.199
able to do this. So there goes your first filter.
1091
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.640
You have to undo that training, and that could take
1092
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:29.600
weeks in and of itself. And then you also have
1093
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:33.399
to learn how to and this is the harder part.
1094
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:37.560
When you do start properly remote viewing, you have to
1095
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:42.560
learn how to shut off your thinking brain and allow
1096
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:47.239
the information to come to you through your subconscious and
1097
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:52.439
that learning to communicate with your subconscious is such a
1098
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:57.920
challenge because all people are trained to think, and we
1099
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.079
all go to school and we're all all taught how
1100
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:06.000
to think consciously, so allowing impressions to come to you
1101
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:12.800
can be so difficult. Like right now, you know I'm
1102
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:14.880
gonna this is gonna be a weird thing, and it's
1103
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.720
about to happen live. I suppose are you willing to
1104
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.760
experience something real quick? Right now?
1105
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:22.000
Sure?
1106
01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:28.439
Okay, all right, I just take a moment, take a
1107
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:32.800
nice deep breath, let it out. It does not matter
1108
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:37.600
if you're right or wrong. Right now, I'm looking at
1109
01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:43.560
something very specific in my office. So this is one
1110
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:46.119
of the stages of remote viewing. I'm looking at something
1111
01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:49.399
very specific in my office. You do not know what
1112
01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:52.439
it is. I haven't told you during any commercial break.
1113
01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:57.920
This is our first real conversation. What if I were
1114
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:02.199
to ask you for your first there's three impressions about
1115
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.960
what I'm looking at. Just take a moment and just
1116
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.640
give me the first three things that pop into your mind.
1117
01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:17.560
I would say either a book, a lamp. Okay, I'm
1118
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.199
not really seeing any third object, but I would say
1119
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:22.039
book or a lamp.
1120
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:27.279
Okay, all right, So you have just touched already on
1121
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:32.079
one of the challenges in remote viewing. In remote viewing,
1122
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.520
the first thing that a lot of people want to
1123
01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:38.800
do is call out the names of specific objects. A
1124
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:42.439
book is a very specific object, and a lamp is
1125
01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:46.479
also very specific. And what people do not expect is
1126
01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:51.119
that is not the way impressions come in. Your first
1127
01:22:51.119 --> 01:23:01.199
impressions in remote viewing will always be something like smooth, sharp, textured,
1128
01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:05.720
a little bit bumpy, kinda, this is kind of soft,
1129
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:09.800
Oh it's squishy. It's always little little things. You'd never
1130
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:15.119
really get a full picture right early on. So the
1131
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:20.319
first stages of remote viewing all involved writing down things
1132
01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.039
like that, and that can go on for pages and pages,
1133
01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:28.760
just writing down tiny impressions that you're getting. And then
1134
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:32.039
if you do have the impression of something like a book,
1135
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:38.920
then you write that down as something that your imagination,
1136
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:42.760
that your thinking brain told you to say, but you
1137
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:43.439
want to.
1138
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:48.479
Because I was thinking, well, what's in an office?
1139
01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:49.600
M hm?
1140
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.279
So I also front loaded you. So you see that
1141
01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:55.760
was a rough test I gave you just now, but
1142
01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.359
you know, I figured we are in an office, so
1143
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.479
it's okay to front load you. Little front loading is
1144
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.960
okay during training. So your first lesson is to not
1145
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:11.239
try to name things outright, because often those first things
1146
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:15.079
will be incorrect. Now, if you had described what a
1147
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.159
book is, if you had said that it is a
1148
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:25.399
flat object that is usually rectangular and has a smooth surfaces,
1149
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:30.119
then you would have already been on the right track,
1150
01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:35.039
because I was not actually looking at a book. I
1151
01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:40.920
was looking at a one of those cardboard Dubai chocolate wrappers.
1152
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:45.720
So I'm looking at this little case of chocolate in
1153
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.880
my room. But if you had started out by describing
1154
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:56.079
rectangular shape and then you had said, okay, it could
1155
01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:58.359
be a book, but I'm not going to call it
1156
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.159
a book yet. Let me write book off to the side.
1157
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:07.560
As Saylor said, some square and red before before you
1158
01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:09.359
describe what you were actually looking at.
1159
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:13.840
Now that's good. Now to say to throw a color
1160
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:16.720
out is very good. If you see, if you sense
1161
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.439
a color, you write that down. If you sense a square.
1162
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:27.600
Those basic, basic, little pieces of data are really powerful.
1163
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:33.479
So as you write down these pieces of data, you're
1164
01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:37.439
essentially building a bigger picture that you can later look
1165
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:43.039
back on and say, Okay, I had twenty pieces of
1166
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:48.680
useful data that all worked great. They actually described the target,
1167
01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:54.439
but the target was not a book, so you could accidentally,
1168
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.520
you know, throughout the word book, and that's Okay, you
1169
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:01.239
write that down in its own area, but your data
1170
01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:06.039
was all correct. So going back to your original question,
1171
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:10.359
people have to get used to writing down all this
1172
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.000
tedious data and you have to kind of stick with
1173
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:18.000
that for a very long time, and you'll get used
1174
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:20.760
to how you'll write down a whole lot of data.
1175
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.439
And then once the person that you're working with gives
1176
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:28.000
you the target, they show you the target image and
1177
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:31.199
it's no longer hidden from you. You'll go, ah, I
1178
01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:37.800
said book, but it's actually a cardboard container. Gosh, I'm sad,
1179
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.239
I got that wrong. But then when you look at
1180
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:44.680
your data you'll write down, you'll see that you actually
1181
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:51.119
described the target very well, but you mislabeled it. So
1182
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:57.119
becoming patient with the way you communicate with your subconscious
1183
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.640
can take months, and it's one of the things that
1184
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:06.359
makes people stop practicing remote viewing because they it's not
1185
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:11.159
as easy as calling out something that you think you're witnessing.
1186
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:14.680
But you can get little hints, and I hope that's helpful.
1187
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:17.319
I'd have to be showing you a lot of this
1188
01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:21.439
in an actual training session and a training class, kind
1189
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:23.840
of walking you through how the protocol works.
1190
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:27.920
What do you feel the biggest misconception among beginners is.
1191
01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:31.960
I think it's actually just what we've been talking about,
1192
01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:35.399
is that when you sit down to do remote viewing,
1193
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.279
I think the biggest misconception is that people will think
1194
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:44.239
that they close their eyes and that an image is
1195
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:49.199
suddenly painted in their mind of what the target is,
1196
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:51.800
and then they can just write it down and then
1197
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:57.119
that will be it. It is much more complicated than
1198
01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:02.000
that because that it does not seem to be how
1199
01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:08.239
the information travels to our psychic the psychic parts of
1200
01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:13.760
our mind. So that in and of itself is one
1201
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.840
of the big confusing factors that a lot of remote
1202
01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.119
viewers come in and then they get a little confused
1203
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:22.960
as to why. If the target was the Statue of Liberty,
1204
01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.560
for example, and I always love to use the target
1205
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:31.840
the Statue of Liberty as an example, you won't immediately
1206
01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:36.600
see the structure of this giant woman with New York
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and the backdrop. That's not what remote viewers see. They
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01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:44.640
might say, oh, okay, I'm sensing a structure. It's tall,
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01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:47.159
it's I'm gonna.
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Say it's green, maybe blue, maybe there's a little bit
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01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:58.840
of bronze here, Okay, feeling more around this, Okay, the
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01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:04.399
structure is definitely tall. It seems to be I'm also sensing.
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01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:08.159
Water, so they're gonna start feeling around the target, but
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01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:12.000
they're not gonna see anything. So I think that's where
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01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.279
that's where misconceptions might come through. It's not an instantly
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01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:21.359
seeing Statue of Liberty. It's feeling the area and slowly
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01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:27.039
describing everything in enough detail that eventually, when you look
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01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:30.119
at the Statue of Liberty, you could you can say, ah, okay,
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01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:33.399
well I guess that it is a structure. And yes,
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01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:38.119
I did say I sensed a sense of a female figure,
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01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:40.680
but I didn't think it was the statue of Liberty.
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01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.439
I thought it was a woman posing. So that happens
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01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.560
a lot. A lot of people will describe things that
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01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:51.479
are accurate but not quite on the nose.
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I have a question from a listener, but when that's
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01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.479
the bottom of the second hour, I need to run
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that break and then right after that come back and
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01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:04.119
I'll ask you the question and we can continue onward.
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Sounds great.
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Yeah, you was friends mine.
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And you can say long his heart and ever.
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And this is Dark Spaces News. I'm Joshua Stark, a
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We're back with Fabian Rush. And the question one of
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my viewers wanted me to ask is, if someone is
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01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:54.439
thinking to you or at you about an object, is
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01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:56.680
it easier to see what it is?
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01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:03.359
Yes, that is an excellent question, I'll tell you. I am.
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01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:08.920
I've worked as a remote viewing project manager and tasker,
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01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.079
so I have created targets to send off to people
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01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:18.319
who were learning remote viewing and practicing. And I always
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01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:22.600
found that when I had a target, if I sat
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01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.279
with the target, be it an image or a little
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01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:31.359
statue or something like that, and I meditated while holding
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01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:35.039
it or while looking at it and thought deeply about
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01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:40.079
it while I was creating this target for the viewer,
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01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:47.680
it improved their ability to visualize it. So, yes, that
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01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:51.800
is something I've definitely had some experience with. Yeah, but
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01:35:52.039 --> 01:35:55.720
it is not fully necessary. I have done that on occasion,
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01:35:56.479 --> 01:36:05.000
which perhaps strengthens the signal line. But there are many.
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01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:07.880
You know, most remote viewers also work in a double
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01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:12.359
blind scenario where even the target of the tasker does
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01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:15.359
not know what the target is. A third party might know.
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01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:19.199
So it can be done in many different ways. But yes,
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01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.840
I personally have seen where target data comes in stronger
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01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:27.359
when I meditate on the target while preparing it.
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01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.119
Ten emotions interfere with the remote viewing.
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01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:36.079
Definitely one of the first things that you're supposed to
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01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:39.720
do in this. In this at least the controlled remote
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01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:45.359
viewing protocol is to write down anything that might affect
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01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:48.920
your session. So if you've had a bad day, if
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01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:52.199
you've had a if you have a headache, if you're hungry,
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01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:55.760
if you've eaten too much already, if you've had a drink,
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01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.600
or anything like that, you write all of those things
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01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.119
down on a declaration section at the top of your
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01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:07.680
remote viewing page. Anything that might affect your abilities.
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01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:11.399
Does belief matter? I mean I couldn't imagine anyone wanting
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01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:13.600
to get into remote viewing. Yes, I didn't believe in
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01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:16.520
it to begin with a kind of answer my old questions.
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01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:23.439
A belief, I'll say this, A belief in yourself and
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01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:29.840
your remote viewing does have an effect confidence is very
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01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:33.920
important if you are if you don't feel that you
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01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.359
can do it, it probably will make it a slower
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01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:41.039
process for you to become proficient with. So that's one
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01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:46.039
aspect of belief, an entirely different aspect. Another way of
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01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:52.079
answering your question is that if you have a specific
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01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:56.520
belief in something and then you do a remote viewing
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01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:00.359
target on that something and then you witness something that
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01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:05.319
runs counter to your belief, it can affect what you believe.
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01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:07.199
And I've seen examples of that.
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01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:10.600
So the people that have really gotten good at it
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01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:12.479
is distance meaningless.
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01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:20.560
Yes, distance is meaningless and time is meaningless, and that
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01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:25.319
there's definitely you know. I answered that very briefly. I
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01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.760
am going to be giving a presentation next month on
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the scientific nature of how it seems that remote viewing
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01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:42.760
works what people are tapping into, and it is heavily
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01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:46.399
based on the research of doctor Michael Persinger. This is
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01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:51.920
a neuroscientist who worked directly with Ingo Swan and he,
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01:38:52.279 --> 01:38:57.239
among other scientists, began to develop a working theory of
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01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:01.399
how remote viewing works. And it is a system that
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01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:07.159
does bypass time and space. So distance does not matter
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01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:10.039
and time does not matter. You can remote view things
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01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:13.920
in the past and in the future. And of course
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01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:17.159
this comes back to the issue of the kill shot
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01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:24.399
what was mentioned. But rather than let the kill shot
1337
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:29.000
become the whole subject of this, you could say you
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01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:31.800
have to wait for the feedback to come in, and
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01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:33.279
you can, and you have to take it with a
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01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:35.880
grain of salt. When you're looking at the future, you
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01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.920
really want proof and you want evidence of things that
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01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:44.920
will support your claim. But yes, distance does seem to
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01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:49.319
be an illusion that the human mind can overcome.
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01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:54.199
One of our listeners, Starshine, asked, Jesus, I thought remote
1345
01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:58.800
ing was defunded. Who does the guests work for? Are
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01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:00.800
trying and others for?
1347
01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:06.479
Well, that's a couple questions. The official government program, yes,
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01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:11.439
was defunded. Of course, that's the one that has been declassified.
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01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:15.159
There may be other government programs. But then moving on
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01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:19.600
to other things, that is a good question. I currently
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01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:22.920
do not work for anyone. I'm not doing remote viewing
1352
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:28.880
work in any official capacity. When I learned about remote viewing,
1353
01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:34.319
I began to pursue it on my own. I wanted
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01:40:34.359 --> 01:40:37.880
to talk to known remote viewers who had been in
1355
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.319
the field for a number of years, and I wanted
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01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.520
them to remote view for me to prove it to
1357
01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:47.000
me because I thought, Okay, well this sounds like a
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01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:51.880
lot of hearsay. And for anyone that is skeptical, and
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01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:56.760
I do encourage skepticism here, anybody who's listening that is
1360
01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:02.840
skeptical about remote viewing, the best way to the best
1361
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:06.880
thing you can possibly do is either learn remote viewing yourself,
1362
01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:11.199
or find a remote viewer and give them a target
1363
01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:14.600
and then have your mind blown when they come back
1364
01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:19.359
to you with information about what you're looking for. So, yes,
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01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:24.520
I'm not working for anybody specifically. I became a project
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01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:31.920
tasker online. I formed a Facebook group called an International
1367
01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:37.319
Facebook Group called Future Applications for Remote Viewing, and this
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01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:41.920
was in twenty eighteen, maybe twenty yeah, twenty eighteen, and
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01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:47.039
I would ask people to view blind targets once a week,
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01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:50.920
and I would open this up to an entire Facebook community.
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01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:56.800
People would then do their own sessions at home, blind
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01:41:57.039 --> 01:42:00.239
to what I had created, and then they would admit
1373
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:04.079
that information to me and I would actually pay them.
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01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:08.600
I actually used to pay them if they had correctly
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01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:14.359
described the target, and I had to stop paying because
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01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:18.279
I was running out of money. I yes, just seven
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01:42:18.399 --> 01:42:22.920
hundred dollars after just two or three targets to these people,
1378
01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.319
and they were blowing my mind, Like I would come
1379
01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:28.760
up with a target right now, I'll save the Statue
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01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:32.319
of Liberty. Even I never give that as a target.
1381
01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:36.199
It's always something I use as an example. And then
1382
01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:43.199
people would come back describing in undeniable language the target
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01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:47.840
I had created for them. So yes, it's a mind blower.
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01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:50.680
You just have to find a group of people. You
1385
01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:53.760
can find a friend to practice this stuff with. The
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01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:57.079
best thing, the best way to overcome any kind of
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01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.079
doubt you might have is just to do it yourself,
1388
01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:02.920
or find somebody you can trust to do this with,
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01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:09.159
and you'll find that it's quite amazing how this can happen,
1390
01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:10.800
and you can do it on your own. You don't
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01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:14.680
have to be working with anybody in any official capacity.
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01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:18.800
Have you found that most remote viewers have ethical boundaries?
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01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:21.520
Yes?
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01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:29.119
Yes, Now, ethics within remote viewing is a very big issue.
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01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:34.680
You do not want to work for a tasker or
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01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:38.319
a project manager that you don't know, and you don't
1397
01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:42.119
want to just be doing remote viewing for random people.
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01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:49.199
So yes, this is an entire conversation. I've sat in
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01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:53.680
lectures about this that can go on for hours, that yes,
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01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:58.760
somebody can ask you to remote view and find a
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01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:03.479
missing person, when really this person might be a stalker
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01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:08.760
looking for an ex girlfriend or something. So you need
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01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:12.279
to know there are ethical boundaries. You want to be
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01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.600
working for people you know and people who have some
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01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:18.560
sort of accreditation so that you're not feeding information to
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01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:21.359
somebody with nefarious ideas.
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01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:24.359
Can remote viewing even be dangerous?
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01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:30.119
I would think yes. I would think yes, there's anything
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01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:34.199
that any person can do. There's always somebody who can
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01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:39.000
take advantage of this situation, like the example I just
1411
01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:42.720
gave you with stalking. Yes, remote viewing can be used
1412
01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:46.439
that way. One of the problems that one of the
1413
01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:49.720
fears the government had is that there are no secrets.
1414
01:44:49.920 --> 01:44:55.079
When you have a remote viewer who has been sticking
1415
01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.560
with it and has become proficient with it over the
1416
01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:04.159
course of however long it suddenly that person can access something.
1417
01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:11.239
They can access secrets, be that key personal information about
1418
01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:16.479
an individual or so on. Use your imagination. It's essentially
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01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:23.199
like how we need cybersecurity for computer protection. With enough
1420
01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:27.600
proficient remote viewers, I would imagine you would need some
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01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:32.239
sort of security to protect against that. And actually I
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01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:36.560
have heard about security systems in the government that are
1423
01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:41.079
designed to keep remote viewers out. Remote viewers have entered
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01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:45.840
certain facilities and then gotten headaches. This is known as
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01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:53.600
psychic headaches by government agencies and deep black agencies and
1426
01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:58.840
programs that need to protect very sensitive material, and their
1427
01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:01.760
way of keeping remote viewer out is to have psychics
1428
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:05.880
on their side that are able to identify when they're
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01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:10.479
being remote viewed, and then they cause resonant headaches in
1430
01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:11.680
whoever's doing the viewing.
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01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:16.399
What is your definition of consciousness? Does the brain create
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01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:18.000
it or just receive it?
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01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:25.640
The brain, From what I've learned from the neuroscientists that
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01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:30.119
worked with Ingo Swan specifically, and from what I'm seeing
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01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:34.880
from many of the researchers that worked with the CIA,
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01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:42.279
and I could quote from CIA documents that have been declassified,
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01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:48.319
the brain. The human brain works as a transmitter and receiver,
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01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:55.199
and consciousness is not produced in the human brain period.
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01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.800
I'm just going to say that, because if consciousness was
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01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:02.800
limited to the human brain, then things like remote viewing
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01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:08.119
would not be possible. Consciousness extends beyond the brain. In fact,
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01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:14.760
my understanding is that we are submerged in a field.
1443
01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:19.840
We are immersed in a field of consciousness, and that
1444
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:24.640
field is filled with information, and that is what we
1445
01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:31.119
can draw on for remote viewing and other psychic abilities. So, yes,
1446
01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:37.760
the brain itself that piece of computing ability that's in
1447
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:42.800
our brain. I think of our brain as our personal computer,
1448
01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:46.560
with its own hard drive storage for our memories and
1449
01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:55.479
experiences and information about our personalities. But the Internet is
1450
01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.199
something not in the computer. It's something that the computer accesses.
1451
01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:03.800
The Internet in this situation would be consciousness. So that's
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01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:06.720
the comparison I like to draw, is that the brain
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01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:10.560
is a computer, the Internet is consciousness.
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01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:12.560
I know what's getting light where you are, So I'm
1455
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:14.840
gonna ask a few more questions and then I'm gonna
1456
01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:19.279
let you give all your contact and website and YouTube's
1457
01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:23.880
channel information. But sure, can you tell us some about
1458
01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:26.279
Swan's famous Jupiter session.
1459
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:32.239
Absolutely his. You know, I actually have a video on
1460
01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:34.760
this that I should send you a link to so
1461
01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:38.119
that you're so that your listeners can check it out.
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01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:44.000
Swan was Ingo was getting pretty bored of all the
1463
01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:47.439
experiments he was doing with SRI, all these these boring
1464
01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:49.920
tests that they had to keep giving him to prove
1465
01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:53.520
that he could see what's in an envelope or what's
1466
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:56.319
in the next room. So he said, why don't we
1467
01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:59.760
do something really interesting? You know, we're about to send
1468
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:05.359
the was this the Pioneer probe to Jupiter during the
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01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:08.600
this point in the seventies, this is early seventies. I
1470
01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:11.039
think it was Pioneer that they were sending out there.
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01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:11.520
I believe.
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01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:16.119
Yeah, he said, why don't we see if I can
1473
01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:21.199
project my consciousness out there before the consciousness before the
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01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:26.600
Pioneer probe arrives, and then I will report back what
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01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:32.760
what's actually on Jupiter. And so, begrudgingly, how put off
1476
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:37.800
and Russell targ agreed to run this experiment. And people
1477
01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:43.039
at JPL with with NASA, they said, okay, sure, we're
1478
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:45.039
going to be We're curious to see what you're going
1479
01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:50.319
to say about this, And so Ingo sat one day.
1480
01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:52.680
Of the fun part of this story is that he
1481
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:56.640
actually was so stressed out about this that he went
1482
01:49:56.680 --> 01:49:59.520
out for a drink the night before and he was
1483
01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:04.000
he was terribly hungover when he did this experiment. That
1484
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:06.760
everyone's heard of this experiment, but no one knows how
1485
01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.199
hungover he was. This This is part of the fun
1486
01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:13.520
of me getting to learn about who Ingo was. So
1487
01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:19.159
he went into the into Sri terribly hungover. He sits down,
1488
01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:22.560
he had his out of body experience and it took
1489
01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:29.960
him eight minutes to project his consciousness to Jupiter, and
1490
01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:34.560
he wrote a detailed report of what he witnessed there,
1491
01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:38.239
and then he returned to his body. He went home,
1492
01:50:38.680 --> 01:50:40.680
took some aspirin, and he went to bed for the
1493
01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.880
rest of the day. And so, of course the Pioneer
1494
01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:49.039
probe did not arrive until I think it was months later,
1495
01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:52.840
and it came back with some information, but it was
1496
01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:58.399
not until I think it was Voyager. The Voyager mission
1497
01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:01.600
went out that all a bunch of the things that
1498
01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:07.880
Ingo reported years before. The Voyager probe is the one
1499
01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:13.359
that confirmed all those things. It was incredible. Even like
1500
01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:17.600
no one knew that Jupiter has a ring. Ingo was
1501
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.640
the one who discovered that Jupiter had a ring around it,
1502
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:23.760
and it wasn't until the Voyager probe went out that
1503
01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:27.399
that was confirmed. And so that was an incredible story.
1504
01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:29.840
And I have and there's more detail about that that
1505
01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:31.600
I can send you a video link.
1506
01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:35.000
For Okay, if you send it after the show, I'll
1507
01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:36.800
get it up on the site because I leave your
1508
01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:42.239
information up for until about midweek. Sure thing, Yeah, what
1509
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:46.199
about the alleged moon observations, but you kind of covered
1510
01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:46.800
that earlier.
1511
01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:49.760
We talked a little bit about that, and there is
1512
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:53.840
some controversy there. There is some controversy there that could
1513
01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:57.880
lead into a much longer story. What Ingo wrote in
1514
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:03.600
Penetration about remote viewing the Moon, we know that he
1515
01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:08.079
had to speak carefully because what he's talking about in
1516
01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:12.680
his books, some of these were classified operations, and some
1517
01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:16.000
of them are still classified operations. So, for example, anybody
1518
01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:21.239
who's read his book Penetration knows that the name Axelrod,
1519
01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:25.560
the person that told him that wanted him to remote
1520
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:29.000
view the moon, Axelrod, is not the actual name of
1521
01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:33.279
this person. That is a pseudonym to protect the person
1522
01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:37.840
that was in this particular black program. So when it
1523
01:52:37.880 --> 01:52:41.600
comes to Ngo talking about the Moon, there's a lot
1524
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:46.920
of safe talk just so he does not you know,
1525
01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:51.560
when when people break oaths and things, they have to
1526
01:52:51.560 --> 01:52:54.840
be careful about how they talk about things.
1527
01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:56.920
He's kind of left clues instead of.
1528
01:52:56.840 --> 01:53:01.359
Answers yes exactly. So a lot of what he writes
1529
01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:06.079
are actually coded memoirs. So some of what he talks
1530
01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:09.600
about on the moon, and I can't even go too
1531
01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:12.760
deeply into this. There are just certain things that I've
1532
01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:16.319
been made privy to that are not in the public
1533
01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:22.199
sphere that, yeah, he had to be really careful, and
1534
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:26.680
so yes, there are some things about the moon, and
1535
01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:31.119
then there are some things that he described as being
1536
01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:35.239
on the moon because he had to kind of consolidate
1537
01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:39.279
a message into something that people would understand that would
1538
01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:40.600
also keep him out of jail.
1539
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.720
The government securities frustrat.
1540
01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:48.159
Him, Yes, very frustrating. It's very difficult to talk about
1541
01:53:48.199 --> 01:53:50.680
a lot of these topics when you know something but
1542
01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:55.399
you're not allowed to go the extra step. Luckily, things
1543
01:53:55.479 --> 01:54:02.199
are being declassified now and one of the big D
1544
01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:05.520
classifications that has come out in book form, I think
1545
01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:09.760
just this past year is Project eighty two hundred. I
1546
01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:13.319
think that's the name of the book. So if your
1547
01:54:13.399 --> 01:54:16.960
listeners want to hear one of the big D classifications
1548
01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:20.840
that has come out of the remote viewing program the
1549
01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:27.079
early days regarding et bases here on Earth, that is
1550
01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:31.000
the nature of what that book is about. And some
1551
01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:35.880
of that same information is touched on in Penetration, but
1552
01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:38.560
ingo is not allowed to talk about it in more
1553
01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:40.279
specific terms.
1554
01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:44.279
One final question, if Ingo were alive today, what do
1555
01:54:44.319 --> 01:54:46.279
you think would surprise him most?
1556
01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:50.079
Oh boy, Okay, I actually do have an answer for this.
1557
01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:53.680
It's not the most pleasant answer, but I'm going to
1558
01:54:53.760 --> 01:55:00.279
answer that honestly, because I've seen hours upon ours of
1559
01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:05.439
interview footage with Ingo, and that includes footage of him
1560
01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:09.760
when he didn't know the camera was rolling, and footage
1561
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:16.079
of him becoming frustrated, And from what I've gathered from him,
1562
01:55:16.560 --> 01:55:22.119
I think he would be frustrated by how short attention
1563
01:55:22.279 --> 01:55:28.079
spans are, how little interest people have in human ability.
1564
01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:31.640
There were so many things that he wanted to teach
1565
01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:36.640
people about their own abilities, about we all live in
1566
01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:40.399
these tiny boxes that we create for ourselves, or where
1567
01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:42.840
we want to fit into society in a certain way.
1568
01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:50.039
And I think one of Ingo's great frustrations, certainly toward
1569
01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:53.359
the end of his life, is that he uncovered so
1570
01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:59.840
much about human potential and so many people glossed over
1571
01:55:59.880 --> 01:56:05.359
it and they just didn't care enough to learn more
1572
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:09.960
about what they're capable of. So, Yes, if he was
1573
01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:15.760
alive today, I think he would be tired of challenging
1574
01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:20.239
people to think harder about what we could do and
1575
01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:24.600
what we could improve for the human race as a whole.
1576
01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:28.800
I'll ask you now, you want to give your YouTube
1577
01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:33.199
site where people could view your your movies and documentaries.
1578
01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:38.479
Yes, I'll give you a link. My YouTube page is
1579
01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:42.840
just Fabian rush Films. I think that's just Fabian. That's
1580
01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:46.760
YouTube dot com slash Fabian Rush Films, and I have
1581
01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:49.880
a lot of random stuff on there, stuff from my
1582
01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:54.439
band as well. But there is a specific portion of
1583
01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:59.319
that YouTube page that's devoted to the Ingo Swan documentary
1584
01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:02.159
that I'm working on, which is called Into the Void
1585
01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.439
or N two V, so I can give you a
1586
01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:13.479
link directly to that. There's also the Facebook page for
1587
01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:19.039
future Applications for Remote Viewing, which I think is just Fabian. Sorry,
1588
01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:24.199
it's just Facebook dot com slash project fa r V
1589
01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:30.680
and I guess those would be the most relevant web pages.
1590
01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:34.880
There's also a web page for the documentary itself, which
1591
01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:36.960
is currently being built out, and I'll give you the
1592
01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:39.479
link to that as well. So I think those are
1593
01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:41.600
the most relevant for your listeners here.
1594
01:57:42.359 --> 01:57:44.479
All right, Do you have an actual website or you
1595
01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:45.640
haven't developed one yet?
1596
01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:51.680
No, I'm not. I tend to stay out of the
1597
01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:56.319
stream of things. I'm more of an experimental person than
1598
01:57:56.399 --> 01:58:00.199
I am a spokesperson that usually goes out and and
1599
01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:03.520
does many interviews, So this has been a lot of
1600
01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:07.720
fun for me actually talking with you. Usually I'm the
1601
01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:13.840
one interviewing people. I've interviewed. I had a wonderful conversation
1602
01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:18.800
with Russell targ and I've interviewed other people who knew Ingo,
1603
01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:22.239
So I'm usually on the other side of this, and
1604
01:58:22.359 --> 01:58:27.439
I'll put out documentaries. But no, I've not consolidated everything
1605
01:58:27.479 --> 01:58:32.359
to one web page because I guess I don't want
1606
01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:35.800
to be too caught up in social media as I'm
1607
01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:40.479
trying to produce things that'll be released elsewhere, and I'm
1608
01:58:40.479 --> 01:58:44.319
trying to be on more the experimental front. And then
1609
01:58:44.439 --> 01:58:48.760
once I've had breakthroughs with various experiments, that's when I
1610
01:58:48.760 --> 01:58:52.319
would focus more on getting the word out well.
1611
01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:54.479
Saby, And it has been an honor having you here,
1612
01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:56.399
and I want to have you back. Would you be
1613
01:58:56.520 --> 01:59:01.520
interested sometime around late September are during the month of October.
1614
01:59:02.239 --> 01:59:06.119
Absolutely. This has been so much fun and I don't
1615
01:59:06.199 --> 01:59:09.159
get to have this conversation very often, so I'd love to.
1616
01:59:09.600 --> 01:59:12.800
It's been a pleasure talking with you, so I'd love
1617
01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:13.359
to come back.
1618
01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:16.199
Well, thank you, sir. I have some other questions I'd
1619
01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:20.039
like to ask you about UFOs and consciousness and the
1620
01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:25.079
disclosure situation. Our lack of disclosure is what I call it.
1621
01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:30.479
Yes, it's a comedic lack of disclosure. But it's a start.
1622
01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:34.239
It's a very introductory, low grade start.
1623
01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:40.039
Well, hopefully it'll accelerate. We'll see, but I will contact
1624
01:59:40.079 --> 01:59:42.640
you about having you back. And once again, I appreciate
1625
01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:46.560
you being on, and I thank you for your time
1626
01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:48.840
this evening. I know it's getting like where you're located.
1627
01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:51.520
Well, thank you so much for having me. And I'm
1628
01:59:51.560 --> 01:59:54.279
all pumped up now so I'm probably going to bed
1629
01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:57.520
extra late anyway. But it's been such a pleasure talking
1630
01:59:57.560 --> 01:59:57.800
with you.
1631
01:59:58.600 --> 02:00:03.159
Thank you, sir. And and I'll start the closing of.
1632
02:00:03.079 --> 02:00:06.479
The program, joined host Carl Richardson as he interviews top
1633
02:00:06.520 --> 02:00:10.560
guests in various fields of study, now airing live every
1634
02:00:10.640 --> 02:00:13.840
Saturday night from nine to eleven Central Time and ten
1635
02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:15.279
pm to midnight Eastern.
1636
02:00:16.039 --> 02:00:18.560
Well, my friends, we've come to the end of another
1637
02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:24.119
remarkable journey. Tonight, Fabian rush helpless venture into one of
1638
02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:29.359
the most fascinating frontiers known to humanity, the unexplored landscape
1639
02:00:29.439 --> 02:00:33.520
of consciousness. We've traveled through the remarkable life and work
1640
02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:38.560
of ingel Swan. We've examined the government's remote viewing program,
1641
02:00:39.039 --> 02:00:43.600
questioned the very nature of reality, and considered the possibility
1642
02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:47.159
that the greatest mystery in the universe isn't somewhere out
1643
02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:51.159
among the stars, it may be inside each and every
1644
02:00:51.159 --> 02:00:55.720
one of us. Whether you're convinced that remote viewing represents
1645
02:00:55.760 --> 02:01:00.199
an untapped human ability, while you're still weighing the evident,
1646
02:01:01.079 --> 02:01:05.119
I hope tonight has inspired you to ask questions, because
1647
02:01:05.239 --> 02:01:10.159
that's what midnight frequency radio is all about, not telling
1648
02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:14.800
you what to believe, but encouraging you to think, to question,
1649
02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:21.159
to explore, because history has taught us that today's impossibilities
1650
02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:27.880
often become tomorrow's accepted facts. A heartfelt thank you to
1651
02:01:28.039 --> 02:01:31.239
Fabian Rush for spending the evening with us and sharing
1652
02:01:31.319 --> 02:01:35.880
his knowledge and his passion for uncovering the mysteries that
1653
02:01:36.039 --> 02:01:41.079
continue to challenge our understanding of reality. And to all
1654
02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:44.600
of you listening across America and around the world are
1655
02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:48.199
wherever this signal found you tonight, thank you for spending
1656
02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:53.119
part of your evening with us. Without your curiosity, your questions,
1657
02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.920
and your willingness to explore the unknown, none of this
1658
02:01:57.159 --> 02:02:01.119
would be possible now. If your thoughts night scratched the
1659
02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:06.359
boundaries of what's possible, just wait until next Saturday. Joining
1660
02:02:06.399 --> 02:02:11.640
me here on midnight Frequency Radio will be award winning filmmaker, researcher,
1661
02:02:12.159 --> 02:02:16.079
media entrepreneur, and one of the most respected voices in
1662
02:02:16.159 --> 02:02:22.079
today's disclosure movement, Ron James. Ron serves as the media
1663
02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:26.640
relations director for MUFON, sits on the board of directors
1664
02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:30.439
of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, and has become one of
1665
02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:35.800
the leading voices documenting the rapidly changing landscape of up disclosure.
1666
02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:39.199
We'll be taking a hard look at the true state
1667
02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:44.359
of disclosure, not the headlines, not the rumors, but where
1668
02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:49.560
we actually stand. After years of congressional hearings, whistleblower testimony,
1669
02:02:50.119 --> 02:02:56.439
military videos, and official government acknowledgments as disclosure truly began,
1670
02:02:57.319 --> 02:03:02.279
what are governments still withholding? Why are so many intelligence officials,
1671
02:03:02.359 --> 02:03:07.960
military personnel and scientists now speaking publicly, And perhaps the
1672
02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:12.279
biggest question of all, are we witnessing the greatest revolution
1673
02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:16.079
in human history? Or are we just seeing the very
1674
02:03:16.119 --> 02:03:22.079
first chapter. We'll also be discussing Ron's latest award winning documentary,
1675
02:03:23.079 --> 02:03:28.600
Accidental Truth next, the follow up of the internationally acclaim
1676
02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:35.600
Accidental Truth UFO revelations, This new film explores where the
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disclosure movement is heading next, featuring new evidence, new witnesses,
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and a deeper examination of one of the most important
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stories unfolding in our lifetime. If you've been following recent
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developments in the world of ups, non human intelligence, congressional investigation,
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and government transparency, I want to miss this conversation that's
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next Saturday night, right here on Midnight Frequency Radio. Until then,
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keep looking up, keep asking the difficult questions, never stop
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searching for the truth, no matter where it leads. From
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the beautiful Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas, I'm Carl Richardson.
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Good Night, Everyone
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Complaints,
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Good evening to my friends, and welcome to midnight frequency Radio.
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Wherever this signal finds you tonight, whether you're crossing a
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lonely stretch of highway with only your headlights cutting through
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the darkness, sitting on a quiet porch beneath the sky
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with stars, are lying awake while the rest of the
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world sleeps. Thank you for letting me spend part of
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your night with you. There is something different about the
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hours after dark. The world grows quieter, the distractions fade,
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and the questions that we've been taught to ignore begin
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whispering a little louder. Questions about consciousness, about reality, about
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the limits of the human mind, questions that don't neatly
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fit into textbooks and don't disappear simply because they're inconvenient.
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Or decades, governments denied they were interested in psychic phenomenon,
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extrasensory perception, and remote viewing. Then the documents began to surface,
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programs were declassified, names emerged, and one name stood out
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above them. All Ingo Swan an artist, a visionary, a
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man whose extraordinary abilities helped launch one of the most
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controversial intelligence programs ever undertaken, who challenged everything we think
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we know about the relationship between mind, space, and time,
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and perhaps even reality itself. Tonight, we're going to follow
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that trail. We'll venture into the classified world of remote viewing,
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the CIA Stargate program, the astonishing successes, the unanswered questions,
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and the mysteries that continue to surround one of the
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strongest chapters in modern intelligence history. Was remote viewing merely
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an unusual psychological experiment or did it reveal something profound
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about human consciousness that we've only begin to understand. If
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consciousness isn't confined to the brain, if the mind can
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reach beyond distance, beyond time, then what else is possible.
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These aren't just fascinating questions. They may be the most
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important question humanity has ever asked. I'm Carl Richardson coming
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to you live from the beautiful Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas,
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and you're listening to midnight frequency Radio. My guest tonight
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is a filmmaker, researcher, and consciousness explorer Fabian Rush, whose
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work has carried him deep into the legacy of Ingo Swan,
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remote viewing, and the hidden history of human potential. Together,
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we're going to separate fact from fiction. Examine the evidence
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and perhaps discover that the truth is far stranger than
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either one. But first will pause for just a moment.
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When we return, Fabian Rush joins us live, and together
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will step beyond the boundaries of conventional thought into a
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place where intelligence agencies, psychic spies, and untapped power of consciousness.
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I'll intersect. So dim the lights, turn the volume up
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just a little. Leave your skepticism at the door, but
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bring your curiosity with you, because somewhere between what we
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know and what we've been told is where the truth
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Here I am, indeed, and our guest, Sabian Russia is
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with us. Good evening, mister Russian. Welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.
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Good evening, Carl. It's so good to be here and
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talking with you.
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I guess the first place we should go tonight is
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a little bit about you. What got you interested in
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this subject? And I guess where did your journey begin?
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You know, I guess that's the perfect place to start.
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It's funny a lot of people in my personal life
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don't know me this way that, like you said in
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the intro, I'm a filmmaker and I've done all these
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other things. But what I have not talked about recently
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is early experiences I had as a really young person
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starting on when I was a really little kid, and
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little kid, I started having what you would call like
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the predecessor of out of body experiences, where I would
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just imagine myself from different perspectives and things like that.
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little things like that would happen where I would I
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would just slip out of my body and play in
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the yard or on a long drive. My parents would
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drive us from Virginia to New York and that was
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around eight hours, and I would slip out of my
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body and fly above the car, fly off into the distance,
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out of boredom, and then I would kind of phase
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back in. But I thought all that was still just
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my imagination. Then it was in high school in during
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the nineties that I started to meditate, mostly because I
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had anxiety issues on and off, and I thought, well,
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having these mental health issues, so I hear meditations good
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for that. So I started breathing exercises and I would
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lie back on the couch in kind of this area
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of my parents' house where everybody was going to bed already,
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so it was just kind of me alone. So I
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would lie back, I would relax, close my eyes, do
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my breathing technique, and that is when I started slipping
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out of my body again. And for a while I thought, oh, well,
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this is my imagination running wild again. But there's my
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body on the couch, and let me see if I
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can just go in the backyard. So I would. I
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would leave the house, go into the backyard, float around
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a bit. And then now I was doing this metaation
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every night for months at this time, and I found
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I was able to go further and further away from
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the house. And one night I witnessed a car accident
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that was several miles from my home, and the next
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day I found out that there had actually been a
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car accident in that particular place that was far outside
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of my earshot. So this is not something I could
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have heard from my home, but I watched it happen,
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in that car accident, and that was the first time
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I thought, Wow, I think that was really really out
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of this world. I think I did something kind of
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real there. So that those were my earliest experiences and
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things definitely grew and became more intense.
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From there, was that the experience that completely changed your worldview?
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on some level, I was still saying, this isn't this
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isn't real. This is just you know, I just have
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a really good imagination, and maybe I got a little
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lucky in terms of viewing something that I wasn't present for.
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So the life changing thing I would see. I would
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have visions of things, particularly in these outer body states.
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One thing that I will say this was life changing.
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I on one of these excursions, I saw some kind
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of a very unusual entity, a whole bunch of beings
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just kind of floating like these beautiful, luminous creatures. And
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so the next day I started drawing them. And now
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here I have to give a little bit of backstory.
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I was raised in a very Catholic, a very religious household,
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and these pictures were disturbing to my parents. So things went,
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Things got a little uncomfortable for a while. So I
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learned to stop talking about these experiences and certainly to
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stop drawing the pictures of things that I was seeing.
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started to see things online. Now, of course, back in
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the nineties, the internet was hardly something that was usable.
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the last say ten years, I started seeing images of
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Bible accurate angels. Are you familiar with those that kind
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of imagery? Yes, yeah, Okay, well I started images of
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these things that were shown in the Bible, as in
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the Book of Ezekiel, these multi winged beings that those
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are the things I was drawing. And what was crazy
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to me is that I never would have thought it
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was an angel, because as a kid, as a person
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in high school, I thought that an angel was basically
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a person with wings, and so I never would have
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thought that I was seeing anything transcendent or unusual. I
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just thought I was seeing really bizarre essentially combinations of
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different animals but covered with wings, huge luminous wings all
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over them. I'm talking like between eight and probably twelve wings.
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It was this ridiculous looking so I thought, oh, well,
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that's definitely my imagination. So I think one of the
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life changing events was when I started seeing that imagery online.
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Later, when you first start an out of body experience,
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do you hear or fill a vibration.
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right from the start, I would say, you know, I
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told you that I would lie down on the couch
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and do my breathing exercises I would be doing, and
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it was just it wasn't any kind of special breathing.
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about maybe five minutes of breathing like that, my whole
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body just started vibrating, almost out of control. But it
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felt good. It wasn't It didn't feel like I was
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having a seizure or anything. It just I just felt
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this really pleasant vibration all over myself. And then on
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my next exhale is when my perspective it was like
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I exhaled myself and my perspective was almost from the
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perspective of my exhaled breath, and then that became my
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perspective for the remainder of the experience.
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I've spoken with others that have had out of body experience.
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Have you ever had a situation real or hands would
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reach up and try to grab your ankles and I
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guess pull you into their domain. I guess within the
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astro projection.
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That is a very funny question. You know, it's I
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had not thought of it quite way you asked. I. So, yes,
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I have experienced the hands, but it wasn't something I
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saw coming. I've often thought of it as my imagination
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was hijacked and that I was having. Now, this happened
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after I was already out of my body. I'm just
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floating around and I was flying, and then I felt
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myself get grabbed or seized. And that's how I was
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often shown things, just grabbed and then taken somewhere specific.
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Others have spoke about that. I've never had an out
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of body experience, but I believe with that point that
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would scare me back enough to snack me back. I've
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had Marilyn hughes on and she's discussed that, and some
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other people that have been involved with astro projection and
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out of body experiences. Okay, were you always interested in
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these topics?
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Well?
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Did skepticism kind of come first?
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Skepticism? It was always skepticism. Wow, you know, even when
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I had these experiences, I think the skepticism came about
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because I learned not to talk about these things so much.
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People did not react to unusual stuff like what I
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was experiencing well, so I thought, on one level, I thought,
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maybe I'm crazy, And then on every other level, I said,
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I have to be skeptical about this because I'm actually
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more of a scientific minded person. I love science, and
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though I was raised Catholic, I started to veer away
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a bit from a religion a bit, mostly because of
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some of the things that I had witnessed. They didn't
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seem to line up with my understanding of religion at
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that time. Now I think some of those things may
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have changed a little bit, but for the most part, yes,
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I was always skeptical until decades later, around twenty fifteen,
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when I first learned about Ingo swan.
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All a religious aspect And you don't have to ask
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answer this if you don't wish to, but were a
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lot of the religious issues you had around the church leadership?
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That's a good question. The issues I suppose I had
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issues of why am I supposed to be afraid of
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this or that? Because I was I was given the
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sensation that I was told, essentially that what I was
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doing and the things I was seeing were kind of
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related to witchcraft, and as a young person, I think
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that sent me into a state of rebellion. So no,
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I wouldn't blame church leadership necessarily. I would blame my
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own perception of what I thought religion was supposed to mean.
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when you go to church, it's taught on a very
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simple level where everything just kind of is laid out
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for you, and it all makes very good sense. But
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when you start to witness things that people would call
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religious experiences, there's nothing simple about it. And then suddenly
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I found myself questioning everything because I was seeing things
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out of the context that was laid out for me
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in the religious world.
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Yeah, I've been exposed to a number of religions. I
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was raised Southern Baptists, my mother got involved with Jehovah's Witnesses,
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and my wife is Catholic, so we go to the
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Catholic church. Okay, So I've seen so many different aspects
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of it. I've seen some church leaders that seem to
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relay their thoughts on how things should be besides what's
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actually written into Bible. So I've had different perspectives in
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front of me that makes me question things.
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You know what I'm saying, Yes, actually it sounds very
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similar to what I was dealing with, because a lot
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of people bring their own perspectives into religion, and that
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can contort the message a lot of the time. And
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what's in trusting in during out of body experiences. Now,
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A lot of what I was learning in church, and
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I guess this is probably a common experience in religion,
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is that so much of it is human centric. And
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what I was experiencing every time I would have an
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out of body experience, the human experience would diminish along
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with it, and I would become so distant from what
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it means to be human that I don't know. This
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is kind of strange. I almost don't know where I'm
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going with this sentence, because there's something about being human
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that becomes less important the further you are away from
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your body. Does that make sense?
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Yeah, And if you look at any saying as earthly realm,
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you have to understand religious was written for beyond that level. Yes, So, yes,
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I agree with you. There a lot of what space
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too much about humanity itself and not what's going on.
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Yes, i'd have that. I think that I think we've
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come to an agreement. I think that's what I was
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trying to say. That, yes, when when I'm not in
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the human body, there's so much that does not apply
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to what I then find myself to be, especially if
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I leave the earth or or find myself amongst animals,
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just outside of human civilizations like the city, Say I
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find myself in a jungle or in an arctic region.
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They're in those places you don't get a sense of right, wrong,
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good and bad, sin, all those religious concepts.
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You're suddenly just being Yeah, you're not bombarded from every
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direction with this this jargon. So yeah, who were some
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of your biggest influences early.
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On in terms of what we're talking about? Well, you know, honestly,
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my biggest influences were a filmmakers. I loved science fiction.
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I've always been into things like Star Trek and so
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I've always loved aliens things like that, so that was
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always fun. So in general, my influences were science fiction directors, producers,
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essentially Hollywood filmmakers. So I enjoyed that. But in terms
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of more of the things that we're talking about, I'd
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have to say, my only inspiration that I can really
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think of right now is Ingo Swan, because once I
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learned that other people experienced some of the same things
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I did. It made me, It made my skepticism step
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back a little bit, and then I was able to
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revisit things that I forced myself to stop thinking about.
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And it really came about as a justification for the
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things that I experienced. When I read Penetration and learned
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that he essentially astrally projected his consciousness to the Moon,
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I thought, Wow, I've done things similar. I haven't gone
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to the Moon, but I've been off planet. I've hovered
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above the Earth, and I've done things like that. I
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just hadn't thought about that in decades. What an amazing thing.
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Oh and not only that, he was also studied and
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funded by the US government. So then suddenly I learned
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that the things I was keeping quiet about were things
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that the government during the nineteen seventies studied very deeply,
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and they took it very seriously. So there go my
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inspirations right there.
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So how did you first discover and go? Was it
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to his books? Are workshops or something?
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Actually I was watching one of those random documentaries on
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UFO abductions and things like that, you know those videos
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you can find on streaming networks and on YouTube. I
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like watching that stuff. I was always fascinated by alien abduction.
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And one of these it was a podcast or something
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that happened to be on YouTube about extraterrestrial bases on
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the Moon and that book that was written in the
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seventies by I think it is George Leonard somebody Else's
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on the Moon. And so I was watching that documentary
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and then they mentioned a person who had sent their
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consciousness there, and it immediately made me tune in to
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what was being said, and they said, yes, well, this
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psychic named Ingo Swan was prompted to send his consciousness
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to the Moon to specific coordinates, and he was able
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to do this, and he saw these structures up close
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and there were people, and that really shocked me because
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that right there was right in line with my younger experiences.
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So that's that's really what did it.
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His rearing of these structures and things. Were they on
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the dark side of the moon facing away from us?
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Are That's a good question you'd have to assume. So,
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but as far as all the documentation goes that I've seen,
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and I think that's publicly available, he was just giving
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coordinates and not we don't know exactly what those coordinates
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were or exactly on what side of the Moon. I
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think people have guessed that these are in craters. Some
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of the craters might be visible from our side, but
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at that time that he was doing the viewing of
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these places, he only had coordinates, and this is just
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Moon coordinates, so you can't even really guess from the
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Earth's perspective.
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I have a break coming up here and then we'll
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be able to go for an hour. But I wanted
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to ask you, are you familiar with the story of
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Apollo twenty.
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I am? Is that the I believe that's one that
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there was some video footage that was shown that was
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released on YouTube. Is that correct? Yeah, yes, I've seen.
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That, and I think they went to the landing side
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of Pollo nineteen that never returned and found a female
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alien entity within the capsule that was I don't know
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if she was in suspended animation type or was deceased.
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But it's an interesting story, and a lot of people
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have attempted to debunk it. Yes, but but you know
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how that goes.
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One person, there will always be debunkers. But I've seen
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that footage and I thought, you know, this is actually
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very well done. As a filmmaker, I have to appreciate
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if that was done on film, it had to have
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a very good budget, so this was not a small
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indie production. A great deal of research and money has
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to go into creating something like that, even down to
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that female alien that they found. So I can't say
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it's I can prove it's real or otherwise. I know
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people who have remote viewed that site, and from their perspective,
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it did come across as real to them.
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I love seeing it. I've seen the cases where they've
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tried to debunk it. I've seen the cases where they've
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debunked the debunkers. So you know, you never know on
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something like that. It's like the case with Jonathan Reid.
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I know him personally, I believe his story, but there
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are so many things out there that say it it
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never happens. So you know, what can you do? Yeah,
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all right, we'll take our first break and then we
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won't have to take another one to the bottom of
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the second hour. Is that good with you?
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Sounds great? Thank you?
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All right, We'll be right back.
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Last night, adjamp on something.
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So girl with HI.
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This is Dark Space's News. I'm Joshua Stark. A new
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clinical trial is offering hope for patients with advanced stomach
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and gastro esophageal junction cancers. Researchers tested an experimental cart
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cell therapy called cytrus cell, a personalized treatment that reprograms
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a patient's own immune cells to attack cancer carrying a
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protein known as CLDN one point eight point two. The
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phase two trial involved one hundred and fifty six patients
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Participants receiving the car T cell therapy were compared with
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Stark, somebil and Morning winners straight.
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Ammuging and maybe tell you thatout Ladra.
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Want to take a journey into the unknown from the
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Ozark Foothills of Arkansas. This is Midnight Frequency Radio with
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Carl Richardson, exclusively on the night Watch Digital Network. Now
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here's Carl.
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We're back with Fabian Rush. Fabian, Who do you feel
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Ingle Swan was beyond the well? Beyond the person? I
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guess we should say, wow.
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You know that is a wonderful question. Did you say,
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who do I feel he was?
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Yes?
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Yeah, you know. I'm I'll tell you this. I've been
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working on a documentary series with Ellie Flippin, Ingo's niece
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for a few years now, and my mind has been
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blown over and over again. For a while, it was
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being blown every single week as I would learn additional
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aspects of him. So I'd say, there's the public version
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of Ingo that everybody knows in you know, if you're
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interested in UFOs and if you're interested in remote viewing,
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you know of him as the person who would go
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to the conferences and then do a talk about the
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things he's seen and done, and it's all very professional
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and neat, and he's in this lovely suit. But the
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Ingo that I've come to know over the years is
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a party animal of what an amazing character. It's so funny.
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Ellie gave me hundreds of his personal pictures and effects.
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So I have all these things sitting in my in
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my office now that I'm going through while working on
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this documentary and trying to learn about him. And he
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used to have these wonderful wild dinner parties. He would
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go to Studio fifty four and in the seventies and.
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Yeah, big disco man.
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Just the people don't know how human and how fun
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he was. And that is what has been one of
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00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.920
my better, my greater pleasures over the last few years
474
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:02.199
is getting to know him. Now. He passed away in
475
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.519
twenty thirteen, so sadly I never got to meet him
476
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.119
in person. I didn't learn about him until after he
477
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:15.199
was gone. So Ellie has been wonderful to kind of
478
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.079
introduce me to him in the same way that she
479
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.199
knew him. So I have an inside scoop on him.
480
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.800
And you know she gave Now I say she gave
481
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.679
me these pictures. It's alone so that once I'm finished
482
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.119
with these, I can take it and add it to
483
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:38.199
his archive at the University of West Georgia. And so
484
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.360
for now I'm scanning these images in I'm going over
485
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.800
his military service record on all these different things, and
486
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:53.119
so yes, I knowing that I can't possibly be the
487
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.559
first filmmaker to take interest in Ingo, I had to
488
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.599
ask Ellie, like, wow, Ellie, of everyone, why is it
489
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.960
that you trust me with all of this information, this
490
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:14.039
personal information about Ingo? And it was funny. She just
491
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.599
said to me, because you're a lot like him, You
492
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.519
have his same energy. You guys both do a lot
493
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.280
of the same things, and you share a lot of
494
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.960
the same experiences. It blew my mind when she told
495
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.920
me that, But then as I got to know him more,
496
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.920
I started to see more and more of the similarities
497
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:35.840
between our lives.
498
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.840
Yeah, that's an honor in itself.
499
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.960
Yes, I think that's how I got the job, and
500
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.280
it has just been a wild ride ever since. But yes,
501
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:52.320
the Ingo I've come to know was a deeply thoughtful person.
502
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.320
Yes he could party. Oh the man could drink, and
503
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:01.719
yes he loved cigars. But at the same time, he
504
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:08.920
also questioned absolutely everything, even his own experiences. He would say, now,
505
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.400
I was told to travel to the moon, but I
506
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.559
was probably off. I'm not one hundred percent accurate. He
507
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.960
was always wanting to make sure that things were as
508
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.079
he wanted everything to be testable, and he didn't like
509
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:33.159
information that could not be proven and respected. And he
510
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:38.719
really invited criticism and he wanted that peer review. So
511
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.239
he is not a psychic that was going off and
512
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:48.840
making blind claims. He was somebody who was rigorously tested
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00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:55.559
in laboratory settings by physicists. And that is the person
514
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.880
that has become famous now. So we know about Ingo
515
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:06.119
because of that rigor and the millions of government spending
516
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.599
that went directly into his program.
517
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.599
My next guest question was what was what do you
518
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.480
feel made himself unique? But I think you just answered
519
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.519
that and everything you previous previously said. So how did
520
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.800
he become involved with government research? Did they approach him
521
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:27.960
or did he volunteer.
522
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.000
Or well, now here this is there's a fun backstory
523
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.840
to a lot of this. I mentioned his parties. When
524
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.360
he was in New York, he would have a lot
525
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:40.719
of a lot of dinner parties and and he was
526
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.519
invited to a lot. In particular, he went to uh
527
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:51.079
the these parties with a woman named Zelda Sepli, and
528
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.719
they would have Virgo parties. And at these Virgo parties,
529
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.599
a lot of uh very interesting people would attend, so
530
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.480
members of the CIA, various other personnel in government. She
531
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.960
was highly connected and some people believe that she was
532
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:15.679
in intelligence herself. So there were a lot of interesting
533
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:22.239
people coming to these parties, including physicists as well. And
534
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.480
Ellie and I uncovered that even though it was called
535
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.519
a virgo party, a lot of the people in attendance
536
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.119
were not virgos. We have the theory that these high
537
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:40.480
ranking people were attending these parties specifically to meet Ingo,
538
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:45.960
and now that is a bold claim, but he and
539
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.559
Zelda were the only two virgos at these parties, so
540
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.440
it made us question a lot of things. But yes,
541
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.280
a lot of the government testings started with people who
542
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.599
were attending these parties, the first of which one of
543
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:09.360
the big ones was doctor Gertrude Smidler, who was She
544
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.880
worked at one of the universities I want to say
545
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.800
it was one of the universities in New York. The
546
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.719
name is slipping my mind right at the moment. But
547
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:25.440
she ran a experiment with him where he was manipulating
548
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.480
the temperature using his mind inside of thermisters that she
549
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.159
had set up. So she is one of these scientists
550
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:39.440
who had equipment with a desire to test things that
551
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.360
she had heard about him and things that she had
552
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.159
possibly even witnessed at some of these parties. So it
553
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:53.159
started off small, with parties where he would do unusual
554
00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:01.039
things that seemed very peculiar or mystical. Almost he was
555
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:07.199
getting the attention of scientists. I mentioned Gertrude Schmidler, and so, yes,
556
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.239
it I think it really mostly started with her. I
557
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.440
also mentioned her in the documentary because it was her
558
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.119
work with Ingo that eventually caught the attention of the
559
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:27.000
physicists at Stanford Research Institute. That's how put Off and
560
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.639
Russell targ So it kind of blew up from there.
561
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.239
But it started with the little parties.
562
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.119
So Gertrude was probably the first to recognize his abilities.
563
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.199
I would say she was among the first. Okay, definitely
564
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.639
among the first. There were several people psychologists at the
565
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.360
same time that that would have been at these parties
566
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:54.519
to see this and actually, gosh, this is rough. You know,
567
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.239
It's it's late at night here here in my time zone.
568
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:03.760
It's almost eleven PM, so strangely, strangely, I can't believe
569
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.079
I'm forgetting the name of the plant guy, the guy
570
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.159
who ran experiments on plants and tested their ability to
571
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.559
communicate with one another.
572
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.639
I know who you're talking about. What I'm the same
573
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.079
with you. I can't remember his name.
574
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:25.320
I am googling him right now to try and find him.
575
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.159
This is what an unusual thing, because I never I
576
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.679
never forget this, and I almost hope you can cut
577
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:34.800
this out even while I do a quick search here.
578
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.480
Oh, I can do that in editing. But go ahead,
579
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:39.599
it's no problem. You can look stuff up.
580
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.039
Okay, yeah, let me just take a quick look here,
581
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.320
because I can't believe that my mind is given up
582
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:44.880
on me here.
583
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.440
At my age, mine gives up on me often.
584
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.280
So here we go. All right, I'm ready to resume
585
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.800
the scientist's name. Now, this was a former CIA interrogation
586
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.880
specialist names Cleve Baxter.
587
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:01.800
Oh yeah, yeah, So.
588
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.119
Cleve Baxter also met NGO at one of these parties.
589
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.360
So the interesting thing here is how many of the
590
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.880
big scientists that everybody's heard of that met him specifically
591
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.159
at parties and then went on to work with him.
592
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.280
What roles did Russell Targan Harold Pietroth's play.
593
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.880
Well, they were both I think they were specializing at
594
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:31.320
Stanford Research Institute in laser physics, just doing various experiments
595
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.239
at the university, and they kind of backed into psychic research.
596
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.800
Neither of them were focused on that at the time,
597
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:47.039
but how put Off was curious about the way information
598
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.480
can travel, and he was doing research on several aspects
599
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.000
of this, and he sent a letter to Cleeve Baxter
600
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.880
because he knew about the plant experiments where Cleve essentially
601
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:06.400
had attached electrodes to the leaves of plants, and he
602
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.840
discovered that if he were to say something kind of
603
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:16.719
threatening to a plant, then then then the plant would
604
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:22.719
register something on his measurement devices. And of course he
605
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:26.679
was an interrogation specialist, so he was used to, you know,
606
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:31.000
using light detector equipment, and so when the plants were
607
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:35.719
being monitored by these light detectors, it picks up on
608
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:43.679
micro jumps in various frequencies that biological systems give off.
609
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.599
So when Cleave would say certain things or threaten to
610
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.159
burn a leaf on a plant, for example, the plants
611
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.880
their frequencies would change as if in response to what
612
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.800
he was doing. Now, he published this and how put
613
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.679
Off saw that publication and saw where he could learn
614
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.800
some information. He wanted to work specifically with Cleve Baxter
615
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.880
to learn a little bit more about how that worked.
616
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.199
And Cleve Baxter was busy at the time, and he said, well,
617
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.079
you know what about talking with this subject that I'm
618
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:26.840
working with. Ingo Swan comes into the office to do
619
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:31.239
little psychic experiments with the plants, and those psychic experiments
620
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.760
are registering on this same equipment that they're using. So
621
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.440
here he is, why don't why don't you guys hook up?
622
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.800
So that was how that connection was made, or at
623
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.679
least a very brief description of it. I've heard how
624
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.440
put Off tell the story and he goes into much
625
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.840
more detail. It's funny because how put Off was not
626
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.599
looking into psychic anything. That was not his goal. That
627
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.960
was just kind of thrust upon him. And then when
628
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:07.360
Ingle later flew out flew out to the university to
629
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.559
work with him and Russell. This happened to be during
630
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.559
the Cold War era, at a time when the CIA
631
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.360
was very nervous about a lot of things, and when
632
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.960
it came to light that these psychic abilities seemed to
633
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:27.079
be real, that's when they came in with funding for
634
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.800
SRI to do these experiments and eventually developed remote viewing.
635
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:37.000
What do you think convinced intelligence agencies this deserved serious attention.
636
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.880
There were several things. I think what started the nervousness
637
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.440
with the CIA.
638
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.920
They're always nervous.
639
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.000
Oh yes, they.
640
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:49.280
Exactly.
641
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.280
All you have to do is mention something to them
642
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.920
and they will be you know, they've got to be
643
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:59.679
right on it. So what was happening during the nineteen
644
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.440
six these actually at this point was that the CIA
645
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:11.480
had gotten intelligence that Russian spies and there were essentially
646
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:18.119
Russians that were able to psychically spy on operations. The
647
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:22.679
USSR was putting a lot of money into the research
648
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:27.760
and development of psychic capabilities, mind to mind, intelligence gathering
649
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:32.880
and all that stuff, and we knew they were doing experiments.
650
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.159
So the CIA looked at that, saw the amount of
651
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.519
money going into and thought, whoa, they're taking it seriously.
652
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.079
I wonder if we need to do that too, And
653
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:47.920
so it was introduced to the CIA that way. But
654
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:54.320
then the CIA caught wind through Clevebaxter as well as
655
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.119
some of the experiments at SRI that there was something
656
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:05.719
to all thispcially when Ingo and another one of the
657
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:10.760
test subjects, Pat Price, were given the task of psychically
658
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:18.480
viewing an unknown position in the woods. This was a
659
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:23.760
position that was given to them by an interusted party.
660
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.920
It turned out that this was a log cabin that
661
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:32.239
this person was, that this person owned, and Ingo and
662
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.800
Pat Price essentially mentally traveled to this cabin. They were
663
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:40.840
able to view it, and they thought, well, this can't
664
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.199
be the target. This is too boring. I don't want
665
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.239
to turn in this information because it's probably wrong. Let's
666
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.239
look around the area and see if there's something else.
667
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:56.880
So they looked around and they found this facility right
668
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.440
nearby that was hidden amongst the trees. They entered this
669
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:06.119
facility mentally. Of course, they started to sketch out the
670
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:10.840
interior layout of this facility, and Pat Price was actually
671
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.760
able to kind of stick his head into the files
672
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.320
and read some of the names on the files. And
673
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:25.000
so they turned in all this data to to how
674
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.039
put off and rustle in and that it turned out
675
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:33.079
that facility was a top secret facility. It was not
676
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.360
intended that they would view that target, but they found
677
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:40.119
it anyway, and so that horrified members of the CIA.
678
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.599
So next thing you know, these CIA people are showing
679
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:49.239
up at SRI demanding answers as to how they got
680
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.920
a hold of this information. And how had to tell
681
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.320
them that, oh, no, we were just doing psychic experiments.
682
00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.400
They just they were just reporting data. And the next thing,
683
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.519
you know, the CIA, for as far as they're concerned,
684
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:07.679
it was confirmed. And so they said, all right, we're
685
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.559
going to need you to look into this, keep experiment
686
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.639
and keep developing this. Here's some money, So they started
687
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.679
funding SRI to run this program, which would eventually become
688
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.519
known as Stargate. Yeah, this was all under the mk
689
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:23.800
Ultra umbrella.
690
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:26.239
You just answered two of my questions. So let's let
691
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:31.559
me skip to sure sure what kind of missions were
692
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:35.679
remote viewing assigned? Was it like this or did it
693
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.679
eventually go to where they were reviewing Russian agents or
694
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.639
Russian military to try to determine what their moves were becoming.
695
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.599
Well, it had to start, simply, it had to start
696
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:52.880
with things that were easy to test and prove, so
697
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.159
over and over again, they had to do really boring tests,
698
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:02.000
like like they'll have a picture of something abstract, for example,
699
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.840
and then they would put that in another room or
700
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:10.559
in a sealed envelope and then have Ingo describe what
701
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.239
that thing was. So Ingo had no idea. This is
702
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.639
called a blind target. So Ingo had no idea what
703
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.280
they were hiding from him. They just said, give us
704
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.840
your impressions, tell us what you think this thing is.
705
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:30.480
So at the time before remote viewing was developed, this
706
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.000
was more of an out of body technique. So Ingo
707
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.920
would essentially leave his body, he would go into the
708
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:42.199
other room or he would float up into whatever basket
709
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.360
would be hidden on the ceiling from him. He would
710
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:48.559
view what this target was and then he would draw it,
711
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.280
and over time he became more and more accurate. So
712
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.559
those were the early experiments to kind of get a
713
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.400
baseline of the kind of information that you could expect
714
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.400
from this sort of intelligence gathering. And then later with
715
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.840
Project Stargate, places like the Monroe Institute came into play
716
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:16.519
where they were beginning to train military army personnel on
717
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.440
how to leave their bodies and go to sites, specifically
718
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.360
flying out to places and I say flying flying in
719
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.039
the out of body state over to the Soviet Union.
720
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.320
So yes, they were starting to spy on targets in
721
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:39.119
the Soviet Union. Joseph mcmonagall is the he's considered remote
722
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.000
viewer zero zero one, So he was kind of the
723
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:49.159
star of that early Russian program that was established a
724
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:56.280
few years after the successful projects established by Ingo at SRI.
725
00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.519
I know they were used during the Cold War. Did
726
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.400
they ever locate missing aircraft or hostages?
727
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.599
Absolutely? That was actually one of the very things that
728
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:13.719
was done at Ingo Hella Hammered. At least the two
729
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.360
of them were tasked. A plane had gone down. I
730
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.639
assume you asked me that question because you've heard of
731
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:20.800
that particular target.
732
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:21.280
Is that right?
733
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.239
Yes, okay, yes that was a target. So, yes, a
734
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.239
plane had gone down, and from our satellites we could
735
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.119
not find it. I honestly can't even remember what country
736
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.880
that it went down in. Was that Africa or South America?
737
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.440
Somewhere in a jungle, this plane went down, and the
738
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:45.000
jungle was so thick the satellites could not penetrate and
739
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.199
find it. So they brought in remote viewers and they
740
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:56.239
were actually accurately able to say this is where the
741
00:55:56.239 --> 00:56:00.239
plane went down. Within a three mile radius. They were
742
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.559
able to they were able to make the recovery.
743
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:07.320
Do you think the Soviet psychic program was ahead of ours?
744
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.079
I think they probably got a jump start on it.
745
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:16.239
I think they started before us, but I think we
746
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.880
caught up very quickly. And you know, toward the end
747
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:25.639
of the remote viewing programs, Americans and Soviets, well Russians
748
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.000
at the time were starting to get together to compare notes.
749
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.719
So you know, there's a lot of chaos going on,
750
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:38.000
and sometimes enemies aren't as as deeply enemies as you
751
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:42.000
would have thought, because yes, there were times when Soviets
752
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:47.280
and Americans would be in the same classroom discussing how
753
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.639
these psychic abilities worked. Of course, that came much later.
754
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.760
Did China ever conduct similar research.
755
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.920
I'm sure they did. Now I don't know much about that.
756
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:04.400
I have not followed. My thoughts on where China stand
757
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.639
in all this is that everything we're talking about in
758
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.920
the world of remote viewing and all this stuff, this
759
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:16.320
is all Western world stuff that we as Westerners are
760
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:21.880
kind of late to the party on. Whereas the Eastern world,
761
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.639
and I'm talking about China and India and those places,
762
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.719
they've been talking about the nature of consciousness for thousands
763
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:34.920
of years and they've kept detailed records and we essentially
764
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:41.480
learn meditation from them. So in the world of out
765
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:45.719
of body understanding and the nature of consciousness, I would
766
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.920
say the Eastern world is way ahead. They've been ahead
767
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.800
of the Western world by thousands of years, because you've
768
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.519
got to remember the Western world experienced the Dark Ages
769
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:03.159
where where books, uh, you know, we lost the Library
770
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.400
of Alexandria. Books were burned over and over again, we
771
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.599
had witchcraft trials, We had all these times where knowledge
772
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.480
was destroyed, and it was knowledge. A lot of that
773
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:22.800
knowledge was specifically pertaining to human abilities. And one of
774
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.360
the areas where such records were not destroyed would have
775
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:30.519
been various places in China. So my thoughts are that
776
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.559
we are really late to the party, and I'm sure
777
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:37.719
Chinese intelligence has has stuff that the world would never know.
778
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.519
Why is the Western governments and everything else? Why are they?
779
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.719
Are they afraid of the capability of the human mind
780
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:48.599
to destroy information like that?
781
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:56.559
Well you said destroy information? That that that kind of
782
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:01.239
that's kind of two questions almost the one I it's
783
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.119
a good question like do are they destroying information because
784
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:11.039
they're afraid of the truth of what the the natural
785
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:15.360
human abilities are? Is it a cover up? And that
786
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.039
so that's a very good question. It might very well
787
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.800
be a cover up. And then there's the other. All
788
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.559
the other alternative I consider is that when somebody knew
789
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.760
is coming to power and they just want to erase
790
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.639
what came before them for one reason or another. Be
791
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:37.199
it a king in England who was really furious with
792
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320
with say some kind of a pagan group in Ireland.
793
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.000
So they go in and they destroy everything. Uh, in
794
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:48.119
that situation, it might not be a cover up. It
795
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.920
might just be we want to erase you people, and
796
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:57.119
so so it it's probably a mix of different situations
797
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.599
that that led to that destruction of destruction of information?
798
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.840
Why do you think stargate was officially shut down? And
799
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.719
the next question asked a bet would be was it
800
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.679
really shut down?
801
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:16.199
The name Stargate was shut down, and that specific program
802
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.760
was probably I do this in air quotes, probably shut down.
803
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.199
You know, you just change the name of a program
804
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.159
to something else. So why was it shut down? I've
805
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.719
heard how put Off talk about this a little bit.
806
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:37.519
That there was a change of administration with the people
807
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.400
that were funding Stargate. So there's that the new administration
808
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.599
did not see the value of it because they were
809
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:50.400
not present during the Cold War. And so also the
810
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:55.440
information that comes from remote viewing can now I don't
811
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.960
know if you've seen examples of the remote viewing data,
812
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:04.199
but sometimes it can be or sometimes you really need
813
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.960
to know how to read it. And if certain questions
814
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:11.320
can arise where somebody would say, well, what's this a
815
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:13.480
picture of I don't understand what this is supposed to be.
816
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.960
You really need proper feedback to prove that what you're
817
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:21.480
viewing is accurate. So there were a number of factors
818
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:26.039
that would lead to Stargate being shut down. Also, of
819
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:30.400
course MK Ultra was a very controversial program to begin with,
820
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:36.679
so there were certain things that were being shut down
821
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.360
shut down, and you know a lot of the MK
822
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:43.280
Ultra documents have been burned now that includes a lot
823
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:48.400
of documentation on Ingo. When Ellie was trying to find
824
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:52.800
additional military service records for me to organize with the
825
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:58.320
rest of his work, she had contacted his army unit
826
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.360
and all that stuff, and it turned out that at
827
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.920
the warehouse where a lot of his information was stored
828
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:09.239
burned down magically. So it just burned down.
829
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.639
It just was an accident. Somebody dropped cigarettes.
830
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.800
Exactly exactly, and of course it happened. You know, this
831
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:22.960
is mk It's funny how flammable MK Ultra documents are. There.
832
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.480
If there's one document that's going to burn, it's going
833
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:26.119
to be one of.
834
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.400
Those so they soap their their paper and alcohol or.
835
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:33.880
Something exactly exactly. So, so yeah, it's it's funny what
836
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:40.119
information is removed from from everywhere. But the second part
837
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.599
of your question about if the program continued on, well,
838
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:49.480
I'm pretty certain it has. I'm happy that in the
839
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:57.840
mid nineties Stargate was declassified because it really opened up
840
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.920
a lot of information to a world of people that
841
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.239
think like you and me, that are interested in this stuff.
842
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:11.639
And then finally something amazing was declassified about human capability.
843
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.800
So this is not new information. It's been in the
844
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.039
public sphere since the mid nineties I think about ninety
845
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:24.039
five actually, So that was the declassification of one remote
846
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:33.159
viewing program. I would imagine that sure many programs sparked
847
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:36.960
after that that were just not under necessarily under the
848
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:41.960
mk Ultra umbrella. But if it's a useful tool, use it.
849
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.760
And I know people that work with the police department,
850
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.800
essentially psychics that work with the police department, particularly when
851
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:57.880
finding missing persons or bodies. So there is an unspoken
852
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:03.000
yet official use psychic people in a lot of countries
853
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:04.760
in official capacities.
854
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.480
I'm going to ask you a question on your impression
855
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.119
of major Ed Dames. Now, if you would prefer not
856
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.519
to go there, I understand.
857
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.440
But understandable you you can ask me, and I will
858
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.599
I will carefully answer.
859
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.599
Well, his predictions on the kill shot, solar eruptions and
860
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.719
stuff kind of never took place, or or his dates
861
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:35.039
were off and it yet to transpire. But what is correct?
862
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:36.280
What are your thoughts on that?
863
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:43.679
Well, I have My thoughts are all just a combination
864
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:48.440
of what I've heard from other people. Now, I've heard
865
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.760
from some of his classmates under under Ingo Swan when
866
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:56.079
it because he was one of Ed Dames was one
867
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:02.360
of Ingo's direct students. And what I heard from some
868
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:04.719
of the others that happened to be in that same
869
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.840
class receiving the remote viewing training is that often Ed
870
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.800
would say something in quotes, he would say something stupid,
871
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:19.679
Ingo would apparently yell at him, and then everybody else
872
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:22.199
got to just kind of relax while Ingo was dealing
873
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:26.000
with Ed. So now that is something I heard from
874
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.360
somebody who was in the unit. So I'll leave that
875
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:34.559
one alone personally, though, and I'll come back around to
876
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.280
the kill shot in a moment here, I was watching
877
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:43.320
a back when I had a gaya subscription the Gaya Network,
878
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:47.679
the TV network. I saw ed a major ed Dames
879
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.159
in an interview on one of their shows talking about
880
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.079
how early on in the programs they used out of
881
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.519
body techniques to try and do this psychic spying and
882
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.679
that it was less it was less useful than the
883
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.079
remote viewing techniques that were developed later where you did
884
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.840
not have to leave your body. And he mentioned that
885
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:15.719
because of how distractable people become when they're out of
886
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:21.880
their body, how you could not get very useful information.
887
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.760
And I will tell you directly in my own personal
888
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:31.000
experience that I, unfortunately I do have to agree with
889
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:37.079
that statement, because there have been several occasions that I've
890
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.280
tried to do a remote viewing out of my body
891
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:45.000
and the amount of stuff that will distract you, just
892
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:47.119
the excitement of first of all, being out of your
893
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.480
body and looking at your body laying there on the couch.
894
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:53.599
A lot of people don't get past that part. I
895
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.119
was already used to it, so when I was trained
896
01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.840
in remote viewing in the particular brand of it where
897
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.400
you do leave your body, I would leave my body
898
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:07.800
and then my distraction would come in that I would
899
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:11.360
lose interest in the target sometimes I would make it
900
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.639
to the target. Other times I would just flutter off
901
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:20.840
somewhere else and either leave the Earth altogether, or slip
902
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:27.599
into some other realm of Earth, or travel slightly into
903
01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.559
the past or slightly into the future, or or find
904
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.320
somebody walking down the street really drunk and follow them
905
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:38.039
for a while because they're flailing and I'm becoming concerned
906
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:45.280
about them. So Ed Dames said things that were valuable,
907
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:52.920
and then he also allowed himself to lose objectivity in
908
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.320
my opinion, And now this is all just my opinion
909
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:02.519
on the kill shot. Now, when you have a future prediction,
910
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.880
one thing you have to acknowledge is that the future
911
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:11.079
might not necessarily be set all on one timeline, and
912
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:16.159
that as there are different choices presented to you every day,
913
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.800
each of those choices has a whole universe of possibilities
914
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:27.399
connected to it. So the idea of a kill shot, sure,
915
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.439
something like that might happen. I think often he was
916
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.039
making reference to something that the Sun would do, like
917
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.840
that the Sun would send out some kind of a horrible,
918
01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:44.319
massive electromagnetic wave that would disrupt things or possibly even
919
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:52.119
become harmful to life on Earth. So yes, there's that,
920
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.960
But as a remote viewer, you have not, in the
921
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.079
words of somebody like Ingo, have not really done remote
922
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.680
viewing until you've gotten feedback, and it does have to
923
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.600
be blind. So to make predictions like a kill shot
924
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.119
is something that I would not I would not myself
925
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:19.720
put much stock into. That's just my opinion because I
926
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.880
choose not to live every day in the fear of
927
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:27.399
something out of control coming my way as an attack.
928
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:32.560
So that might That was a very opinionated answer, and
929
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:34.920
I guess I was not necessarily careful with it. If
930
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.520
I was sitting here with Ed right now, if he
931
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:39.920
if he was alive and I was talking to him,
932
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.680
I would have sent said that more gently, but I
933
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.960
would I would have challenged him, and I would have said,
934
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:49.920
you know, if you keep talking about the kill shot
935
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.600
and you assign dates to it, and those dates come
936
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:59.279
and go, it's not okay to then keep talking about
937
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.920
it and say that the date is unknown, because then
938
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.600
you're just kind of dragging out something and people will
939
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.840
start to question it more and more, and it damages
940
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:15.439
the words remote viewing, the whole concept, and it brings
941
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:18.239
those things into questions. So that's the long drawn out,
942
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.319
not safe answer that I had promised.
943
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.680
Well, yeah, that's okay, I was. I agree with your
944
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.880
statement to it could have been something he was remote,
945
01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:31.199
we weren't from an alternate timeline, yeah, Or it could
946
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:37.239
have been a misinterpretation where instead of a like solar
947
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:40.439
flare or coronal mass ejection or something to that effect,
948
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.199
it could have been more of an EMP type situation
949
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.640
which could have took out all communications and power lines
950
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.119
and everything else on Earth. Because there's so many different
951
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:55.199
forms of a so called kill shock, different things that
952
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.720
it could affect without actually destroying the earth of the
953
01:10:57.800 --> 01:10:59.279
people exactly.
954
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.600
It's a very up in the air concept and I've
955
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:09.479
heard that over and over again for many years, and
956
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.600
I just I chose to not focus on it, and
957
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.039
so I kind of stepped back, and I figured, if
958
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the sun does something, and it is something that disrupts
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01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:25.159
our technology, how long will the disruption be. If it
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01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:28.000
turns out it was for a few hours, a few days,
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01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.560
or a few weeks, then you know, we'll get over it.
962
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:32.920
We just lived through COVID.
963
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.439
Yeah, yeah, that was roughless in itself. Of course. Now
964
01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:45.199
we have the lettuce that's causing explosive diarrhea. That's a subject.
965
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.560
Exactly. I don't know how many remote viewers foresaw the
966
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:51.039
diarrhea lettuce coming.
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01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:55.399
I haven't heard any yet, but somebody.
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01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:55.640
Had to us.
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01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:58.760
Sure, sure, probably Can you.
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01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:02.199
Give your exact definition of what remote viewing is?
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01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:10.159
There are several There are several and me give a
972
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:16.399
moment of thought to this because of those several possible definitions.
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01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.840
Now there are those that would focus on the you
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01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:25.159
leave your body and remote view and then there's what
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01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.000
I've come to kind of see. So I'll say that
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01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:34.960
remote viewing I'll start by saying it referring specifically to
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01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:38.199
what Ango Swan gave us and what came out of
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01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.439
Stanford Research Institute, I would say it's a trainable protocol
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01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:50.840
that is designed to acquire information about a hidden target
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01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:56.319
without the use of your ordinary senses. And when I
981
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.439
say without the use of your ordinary senses, I'm definitely
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01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:06.319
referring to psychic abilities innate to the human being and
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01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:11.000
probably other animals. But yes, an ability that we can
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01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:16.079
tap into. So remote and I'll have to say this
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01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:20.000
above many other things. So that's a basic definition of
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01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:24.880
remote viewing. But in terms of the kind of remote
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01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.279
viewing that the government is willing to pay for. It
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01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:33.840
has to be blind. The viewer cannot know what the
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01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:37.520
target is, anything about the target. They can't be front
990
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:42.960
loaded with information. Like back in the CIA days of
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01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.239
the Soviet Union, you really didn't want to tell the
992
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:49.600
remote viewers that they're going to Russia to view this
993
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:52.840
specific site because then they can make up whatever they
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01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:56.800
want about that site and then hope they're right. And
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01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.279
based on the information, it could be fifty to fifty
996
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:02.840
are their bombs at this site? Is there a submarine
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01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:03.319
at this site?
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01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:03.600
Yes?
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01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.640
Or no? So true remote viewing is when the viewer
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01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:13.439
does not know what they're being asked to give their
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01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:17.000
impressions about. And that's a very important thing right now
1002
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.640
because there are a lot of YouTubers that are saying
1003
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:25.279
they remote viewed a particular event, and what they're really
1004
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:29.079
doing is saying that they left their body, they had
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01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.520
an out of body experience, they traveled to this site
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01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:35.760
and then they saw it happened firsthand. But they knew
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01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:38.399
ahead of time what they were going to do, and
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01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:45.760
so that immediately, in my mind, negates their remote viewing terminology.
1009
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:51.000
And it's great for YouTube, but it destroys the name
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01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.920
and any credibility that comes along with what Stargate gave us.
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01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:02.279
Remote viewing is different than psychic into wish correct, Yes,
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01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.079
can anyone learn it?
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01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:12.199
I think so. I think anybody who's interested people, you know,
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01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:17.359
I've had to think about that a lot. Actually, I
1015
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:21.359
used to say anyone can do this. I personally think
1016
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.760
anybody has the ability to have an out of body experience.
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01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.399
Anybody has the ability to remote view. And then I
1018
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:33.399
learned about how diverse people are. There are so many
1019
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:38.159
people if you ask them to sit for ten minutes
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01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:44.039
and meditate, they absolutely cannot do it. If I personally,
1021
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:46.840
I'm not a sporty person, I will never make it
1022
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.640
to the Olympics. So there's a massive diversity in what
1023
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:55.279
people can and cannot do. So what comes easy to somebody,
1024
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.000
say a psychic ability, will come innately to a lot
1025
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.000
of people, and they might downplay it. They might not
1026
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.199
realize that it's a psychic ability. They might just think
1027
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.880
it's you know, they'll call it their gut feeling, when
1028
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:17.600
really it is something on a psychic level. So instead
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01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.720
of saying anybody can do it, I'd say anybody who
1030
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:28.680
knows how to focus, relax their minds and temporarily turn
1031
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:32.119
off their mental filters, the filter that says, oh, this
1032
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:36.960
can't be done. Those are the people who will be
1033
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.800
able to remote view and tap into these abilities.
1034
01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.119
I brought this up last week with Augi Nas. But
1035
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.399
if you go to a Walmart at four am in
1036
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:51.479
the morning, nobody in there looks like they have the
1037
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.239
abilities to remote view.
1038
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:59.920
So it's you know, it's funny you never know by
1039
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.680
looking at somebody for like when you when I think
1040
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:08.079
about myself, this stupid. Now, I've made some stupid movies,
1041
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:12.359
you know I'm into. I used to make horror films
1042
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:18.399
and really low budget, B grade junk movies, mostly for
1043
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.880
fun with my friends. And I got lucky for some
1044
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.720
of these things to get distribution. But if you were
1045
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:27.319
to look at who I am on a day to
1046
01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.880
day basis the goofy stuff I've gotten into. I'm also
1047
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.520
in a hard rock band. Like all the things I do,
1048
01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:36.439
you would never think.
1049
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:36.880
I was.
1050
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.359
Well, a lot of the people in my regular life
1051
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:45.479
would not think I had any sort of ability. And
1052
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.399
you go to a place like Walmart, and yeah, you
1053
01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:52.560
might not see it. And yet you never really know
1054
01:17:53.319 --> 01:18:00.319
how many people are innately using incredible abilities without even
1055
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.279
their own knowledge. Now, remote viewing, of course, is specific.
1056
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:07.760
You sit down with a paper and pen and set
1057
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:13.239
out to remote view as a target practice. But if
1058
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:16.279
you're speaking more broadly about something like an out of
1059
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:21.600
body experience or a lucid dream, then suddenly you're opening
1060
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:28.119
up to a much larger population that goes beyond any
1061
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:34.760
sort of cultural or ethnic or in terms of the
1062
01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:37.039
Walmart thing, where you might be talking about people of
1063
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:42.520
different classes. Financially, there's no boundary there.
1064
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.319
Well, hey, I've been to walmarted for a so I'm
1065
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.079
sure I stand out just like the others.
1066
01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:53.039
I've done it too. Every now and then I need
1067
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:56.760
a late night snack, and I'm a chocolate fiend, so
1068
01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.920
I will be found in Walmarts from time to time.
1069
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:03.000
How long do you think it takes to become proficient
1070
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:04.119
in remote viewing?
1071
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:05.479
Oh?
1072
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:07.039
Wow, yours?
1073
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:12.680
Well, the remote viewing, if you're really serious about it,
1074
01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:16.520
it takes a lot of practice. I've been trained in
1075
01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:21.000
two remote viewing protocols now, that's the out of body
1076
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:26.239
protocol that the Monroe Institute teaches, which is extended remote viewing,
1077
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.239
as well as CRV controlled remote viewing, which is what
1078
01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.439
Ingo Swan developed I've been trained in both of those,
1079
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:44.399
and you might have some beginner's luck, but you might
1080
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:49.359
be working at becoming truly proficient for years. And it's
1081
01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:52.000
something that you really have to stick with, and I'll
1082
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:56.720
tell you why. When you first start, you sit down
1083
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:00.680
in a room by yourself. All you know are the
1084
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:05.439
target numbers or target coordinates. You sit down with that paper,
1085
01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:10.000
and you immediately one start doubting yourself. You start thinking, oh,
1086
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:12.960
this can't be real. Even if you have heard about
1087
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.720
remote viewing working. There's a part of your brain that
1088
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.920
kicks in immediately and says, oh, I can't do this.
1089
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:19.560
I'm not the kind of person who's going to be
1090
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.199
able to do this. So there goes your first filter.
1091
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.640
You have to undo that training, and that could take
1092
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:29.600
weeks in and of itself. And then you also have
1093
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:33.399
to learn how to and this is the harder part.
1094
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:37.560
When you do start properly remote viewing, you have to
1095
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:42.560
learn how to shut off your thinking brain and allow
1096
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:47.239
the information to come to you through your subconscious and
1097
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:52.439
that learning to communicate with your subconscious is such a
1098
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:57.920
challenge because all people are trained to think, and we
1099
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.079
all go to school and we're all all taught how
1100
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:06.000
to think consciously, so allowing impressions to come to you
1101
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:12.800
can be so difficult. Like right now, you know I'm
1102
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:14.880
gonna this is gonna be a weird thing, and it's
1103
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.720
about to happen live. I suppose are you willing to
1104
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.760
experience something real quick? Right now?
1105
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:22.000
Sure?
1106
01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:28.439
Okay, all right, I just take a moment, take a
1107
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:32.800
nice deep breath, let it out. It does not matter
1108
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:37.600
if you're right or wrong. Right now, I'm looking at
1109
01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:43.560
something very specific in my office. So this is one
1110
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:46.119
of the stages of remote viewing. I'm looking at something
1111
01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:49.399
very specific in my office. You do not know what
1112
01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:52.439
it is. I haven't told you during any commercial break.
1113
01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:57.920
This is our first real conversation. What if I were
1114
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:02.199
to ask you for your first there's three impressions about
1115
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.960
what I'm looking at. Just take a moment and just
1116
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.640
give me the first three things that pop into your mind.
1117
01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:17.560
I would say either a book, a lamp. Okay, I'm
1118
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.199
not really seeing any third object, but I would say
1119
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:22.039
book or a lamp.
1120
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:27.279
Okay, all right, So you have just touched already on
1121
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:32.079
one of the challenges in remote viewing. In remote viewing,
1122
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.520
the first thing that a lot of people want to
1123
01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:38.800
do is call out the names of specific objects. A
1124
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:42.439
book is a very specific object, and a lamp is
1125
01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:46.479
also very specific. And what people do not expect is
1126
01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:51.119
that is not the way impressions come in. Your first
1127
01:22:51.119 --> 01:23:01.199
impressions in remote viewing will always be something like smooth, sharp, textured,
1128
01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:05.720
a little bit bumpy, kinda, this is kind of soft,
1129
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:09.800
Oh it's squishy. It's always little little things. You'd never
1130
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:15.119
really get a full picture right early on. So the
1131
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:20.319
first stages of remote viewing all involved writing down things
1132
01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.039
like that, and that can go on for pages and pages,
1133
01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:28.760
just writing down tiny impressions that you're getting. And then
1134
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:32.039
if you do have the impression of something like a book,
1135
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:38.920
then you write that down as something that your imagination,
1136
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:42.760
that your thinking brain told you to say, but you
1137
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:43.439
want to.
1138
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:48.479
Because I was thinking, well, what's in an office?
1139
01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:49.600
M hm?
1140
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.279
So I also front loaded you. So you see that
1141
01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:55.760
was a rough test I gave you just now, but
1142
01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.359
you know, I figured we are in an office, so
1143
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.479
it's okay to front load you. Little front loading is
1144
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.960
okay during training. So your first lesson is to not
1145
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:11.239
try to name things outright, because often those first things
1146
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:15.079
will be incorrect. Now, if you had described what a
1147
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.159
book is, if you had said that it is a
1148
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:25.399
flat object that is usually rectangular and has a smooth surfaces,
1149
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:30.119
then you would have already been on the right track,
1150
01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:35.039
because I was not actually looking at a book. I
1151
01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:40.920
was looking at a one of those cardboard Dubai chocolate wrappers.
1152
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:45.720
So I'm looking at this little case of chocolate in
1153
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.880
my room. But if you had started out by describing
1154
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:56.079
rectangular shape and then you had said, okay, it could
1155
01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:58.359
be a book, but I'm not going to call it
1156
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.159
a book yet. Let me write book off to the side.
1157
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:07.560
As Saylor said, some square and red before before you
1158
01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:09.359
describe what you were actually looking at.
1159
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:13.840
Now that's good. Now to say to throw a color
1160
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:16.720
out is very good. If you see, if you sense
1161
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.439
a color, you write that down. If you sense a square.
1162
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:27.600
Those basic, basic, little pieces of data are really powerful.
1163
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:33.479
So as you write down these pieces of data, you're
1164
01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:37.439
essentially building a bigger picture that you can later look
1165
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:43.039
back on and say, Okay, I had twenty pieces of
1166
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:48.680
useful data that all worked great. They actually described the target,
1167
01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:54.439
but the target was not a book, so you could accidentally,
1168
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.520
you know, throughout the word book, and that's Okay, you
1169
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:01.239
write that down in its own area, but your data
1170
01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:06.039
was all correct. So going back to your original question,
1171
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:10.359
people have to get used to writing down all this
1172
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.000
tedious data and you have to kind of stick with
1173
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:18.000
that for a very long time, and you'll get used
1174
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:20.760
to how you'll write down a whole lot of data.
1175
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.439
And then once the person that you're working with gives
1176
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:28.000
you the target, they show you the target image and
1177
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:31.199
it's no longer hidden from you. You'll go, ah, I
1178
01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:37.800
said book, but it's actually a cardboard container. Gosh, I'm sad,
1179
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.239
I got that wrong. But then when you look at
1180
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:44.680
your data you'll write down, you'll see that you actually
1181
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:51.119
described the target very well, but you mislabeled it. So
1182
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:57.119
becoming patient with the way you communicate with your subconscious
1183
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.640
can take months, and it's one of the things that
1184
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:06.359
makes people stop practicing remote viewing because they it's not
1185
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:11.159
as easy as calling out something that you think you're witnessing.
1186
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:14.680
But you can get little hints, and I hope that's helpful.
1187
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:17.319
I'd have to be showing you a lot of this
1188
01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:21.439
in an actual training session and a training class, kind
1189
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:23.840
of walking you through how the protocol works.
1190
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:27.920
What do you feel the biggest misconception among beginners is.
1191
01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:31.960
I think it's actually just what we've been talking about,
1192
01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:35.399
is that when you sit down to do remote viewing,
1193
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.279
I think the biggest misconception is that people will think
1194
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:44.239
that they close their eyes and that an image is
1195
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:49.199
suddenly painted in their mind of what the target is,
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and then they can just write it down and then
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that will be it. It is much more complicated than
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that because that it does not seem to be how
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the information travels to our psychic the psychic parts of
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01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:13.760
our mind. So that in and of itself is one
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01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.840
of the big confusing factors that a lot of remote
1202
01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.119
viewers come in and then they get a little confused
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01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:22.960
as to why. If the target was the Statue of Liberty,
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01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.560
for example, and I always love to use the target
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01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:31.840
the Statue of Liberty as an example, you won't immediately
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01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:36.600
see the structure of this giant woman with New York
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01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:40.359
and the backdrop. That's not what remote viewers see. They
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01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:44.640
might say, oh, okay, I'm sensing a structure. It's tall,
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01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:47.159
it's I'm gonna.
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01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:53.560
Say it's green, maybe blue, maybe there's a little bit
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01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:58.840
of bronze here, Okay, feeling more around this, Okay, the
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01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:04.399
structure is definitely tall. It seems to be I'm also sensing.
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01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:08.159
Water, so they're gonna start feeling around the target, but
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01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:12.000
they're not gonna see anything. So I think that's where
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01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.279
that's where misconceptions might come through. It's not an instantly
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01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:21.359
seeing Statue of Liberty. It's feeling the area and slowly
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01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:27.039
describing everything in enough detail that eventually, when you look
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01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:30.119
at the Statue of Liberty, you could you can say, ah, okay,
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01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:33.399
well I guess that it is a structure. And yes,
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01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:38.119
I did say I sensed a sense of a female figure,
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01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:40.680
but I didn't think it was the statue of Liberty.
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01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.439
I thought it was a woman posing. So that happens
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01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.560
a lot. A lot of people will describe things that
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01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:51.479
are accurate but not quite on the nose.
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01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:55.279
I have a question from a listener, but when that's
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01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.479
the bottom of the second hour, I need to run
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01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:00.600
that break and then right after that come back and
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01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:04.119
I'll ask you the question and we can continue onward.
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Sounds great.
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Yeah, you was friends mine.
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And you can say long his heart and ever.
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And this is Dark Spaces News. I'm Joshua Stark, a
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you pay the price. It pens with you.
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We're back with Fabian Rush. And the question one of
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my viewers wanted me to ask is, if someone is
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01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:54.439
thinking to you or at you about an object, is
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01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:56.680
it easier to see what it is?
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01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:03.359
Yes, that is an excellent question, I'll tell you. I am.
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01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:08.920
I've worked as a remote viewing project manager and tasker,
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01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.079
so I have created targets to send off to people
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01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:18.319
who were learning remote viewing and practicing. And I always
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01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:22.600
found that when I had a target, if I sat
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01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.279
with the target, be it an image or a little
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01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:31.359
statue or something like that, and I meditated while holding
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01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:35.039
it or while looking at it and thought deeply about
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01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:40.079
it while I was creating this target for the viewer,
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01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:47.680
it improved their ability to visualize it. So, yes, that
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01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:51.800
is something I've definitely had some experience with. Yeah, but
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01:35:52.039 --> 01:35:55.720
it is not fully necessary. I have done that on occasion,
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01:35:56.479 --> 01:36:05.000
which perhaps strengthens the signal line. But there are many.
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01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:07.880
You know, most remote viewers also work in a double
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01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:12.359
blind scenario where even the target of the tasker does
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01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:15.359
not know what the target is. A third party might know.
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01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:19.199
So it can be done in many different ways. But yes,
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01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.840
I personally have seen where target data comes in stronger
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01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:27.359
when I meditate on the target while preparing it.
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01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.119
Ten emotions interfere with the remote viewing.
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01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:36.079
Definitely one of the first things that you're supposed to
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do in this. In this at least the controlled remote
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viewing protocol is to write down anything that might affect
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01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:48.920
your session. So if you've had a bad day, if
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01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:52.199
you've had a if you have a headache, if you're hungry,
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01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:55.760
if you've eaten too much already, if you've had a drink,
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01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.600
or anything like that, you write all of those things
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01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.119
down on a declaration section at the top of your
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01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:07.680
remote viewing page. Anything that might affect your abilities.
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01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:11.399
Does belief matter? I mean I couldn't imagine anyone wanting
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01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:13.600
to get into remote viewing. Yes, I didn't believe in
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01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:16.520
it to begin with a kind of answer my old questions.
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A belief, I'll say this, A belief in yourself and
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01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:29.840
your remote viewing does have an effect confidence is very
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01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:33.920
important if you are if you don't feel that you
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01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.359
can do it, it probably will make it a slower
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01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:41.039
process for you to become proficient with. So that's one
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01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:46.039
aspect of belief, an entirely different aspect. Another way of
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01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:52.079
answering your question is that if you have a specific
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01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:56.520
belief in something and then you do a remote viewing
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01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:00.359
target on that something and then you witness something that
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01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:05.319
runs counter to your belief, it can affect what you believe.
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01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:07.199
And I've seen examples of that.
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01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:10.600
So the people that have really gotten good at it
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01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:12.479
is distance meaningless.
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01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:20.560
Yes, distance is meaningless and time is meaningless, and that
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01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:25.319
there's definitely you know. I answered that very briefly. I
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01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.760
am going to be giving a presentation next month on
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01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:37.239
the scientific nature of how it seems that remote viewing
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01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:42.760
works what people are tapping into, and it is heavily
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01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:46.399
based on the research of doctor Michael Persinger. This is
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01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:51.920
a neuroscientist who worked directly with Ingo Swan and he,
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01:38:52.279 --> 01:38:57.239
among other scientists, began to develop a working theory of
1331
01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:01.399
how remote viewing works. And it is a system that
1332
01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:07.159
does bypass time and space. So distance does not matter
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01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:10.039
and time does not matter. You can remote view things
1334
01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:13.920
in the past and in the future. And of course
1335
01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:17.159
this comes back to the issue of the kill shot
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01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:24.399
what was mentioned. But rather than let the kill shot
1337
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:29.000
become the whole subject of this, you could say you
1338
01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:31.800
have to wait for the feedback to come in, and
1339
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:33.279
you can, and you have to take it with a
1340
01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:35.880
grain of salt. When you're looking at the future, you
1341
01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.920
really want proof and you want evidence of things that
1342
01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:44.920
will support your claim. But yes, distance does seem to
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01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:49.319
be an illusion that the human mind can overcome.
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01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:54.199
One of our listeners, Starshine, asked, Jesus, I thought remote
1345
01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:58.800
ing was defunded. Who does the guests work for? Are
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01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:00.800
trying and others for?
1347
01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:06.479
Well, that's a couple questions. The official government program, yes,
1348
01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:11.439
was defunded. Of course, that's the one that has been declassified.
1349
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:15.159
There may be other government programs. But then moving on
1350
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:19.600
to other things, that is a good question. I currently
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01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:22.920
do not work for anyone. I'm not doing remote viewing
1352
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:28.880
work in any official capacity. When I learned about remote viewing,
1353
01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:34.319
I began to pursue it on my own. I wanted
1354
01:40:34.359 --> 01:40:37.880
to talk to known remote viewers who had been in
1355
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.319
the field for a number of years, and I wanted
1356
01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.520
them to remote view for me to prove it to
1357
01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:47.000
me because I thought, Okay, well this sounds like a
1358
01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:51.880
lot of hearsay. And for anyone that is skeptical, and
1359
01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:56.760
I do encourage skepticism here, anybody who's listening that is
1360
01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:02.840
skeptical about remote viewing, the best way to the best
1361
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:06.880
thing you can possibly do is either learn remote viewing yourself,
1362
01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:11.199
or find a remote viewer and give them a target
1363
01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:14.600
and then have your mind blown when they come back
1364
01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:19.359
to you with information about what you're looking for. So, yes,
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01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:24.520
I'm not working for anybody specifically. I became a project
1366
01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:31.920
tasker online. I formed a Facebook group called an International
1367
01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:37.319
Facebook Group called Future Applications for Remote Viewing, and this
1368
01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:41.920
was in twenty eighteen, maybe twenty yeah, twenty eighteen, and
1369
01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:47.039
I would ask people to view blind targets once a week,
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01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:50.920
and I would open this up to an entire Facebook community.
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01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:56.800
People would then do their own sessions at home, blind
1372
01:41:57.039 --> 01:42:00.239
to what I had created, and then they would admit
1373
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:04.079
that information to me and I would actually pay them.
1374
01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:08.600
I actually used to pay them if they had correctly
1375
01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:14.359
described the target, and I had to stop paying because
1376
01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:18.279
I was running out of money. I yes, just seven
1377
01:42:18.399 --> 01:42:22.920
hundred dollars after just two or three targets to these people,
1378
01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.319
and they were blowing my mind, Like I would come
1379
01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:28.760
up with a target right now, I'll save the Statue
1380
01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:32.319
of Liberty. Even I never give that as a target.
1381
01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:36.199
It's always something I use as an example. And then
1382
01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:43.199
people would come back describing in undeniable language the target
1383
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:47.840
I had created for them. So yes, it's a mind blower.
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01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:50.680
You just have to find a group of people. You
1385
01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:53.760
can find a friend to practice this stuff with. The
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01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:57.079
best thing, the best way to overcome any kind of
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01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.079
doubt you might have is just to do it yourself,
1388
01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:02.920
or find somebody you can trust to do this with,
1389
01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:09.159
and you'll find that it's quite amazing how this can happen,
1390
01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:10.800
and you can do it on your own. You don't
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01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:14.680
have to be working with anybody in any official capacity.
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01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:18.800
Have you found that most remote viewers have ethical boundaries?
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01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:21.520
Yes?
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01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:29.119
Yes, Now, ethics within remote viewing is a very big issue.
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01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:34.680
You do not want to work for a tasker or
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01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:38.319
a project manager that you don't know, and you don't
1397
01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:42.119
want to just be doing remote viewing for random people.
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01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:49.199
So yes, this is an entire conversation. I've sat in
1399
01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:53.680
lectures about this that can go on for hours, that yes,
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01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:58.760
somebody can ask you to remote view and find a
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01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:03.479
missing person, when really this person might be a stalker
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01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:08.760
looking for an ex girlfriend or something. So you need
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01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:12.279
to know there are ethical boundaries. You want to be
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01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.600
working for people you know and people who have some
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01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:18.560
sort of accreditation so that you're not feeding information to
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01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:21.359
somebody with nefarious ideas.
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01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:24.359
Can remote viewing even be dangerous?
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01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:30.119
I would think yes. I would think yes, there's anything
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01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:34.199
that any person can do. There's always somebody who can
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01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:39.000
take advantage of this situation, like the example I just
1411
01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:42.720
gave you with stalking. Yes, remote viewing can be used
1412
01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:46.439
that way. One of the problems that one of the
1413
01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:49.720
fears the government had is that there are no secrets.
1414
01:44:49.920 --> 01:44:55.079
When you have a remote viewer who has been sticking
1415
01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.560
with it and has become proficient with it over the
1416
01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:04.159
course of however long it suddenly that person can access something.
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01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:11.239
They can access secrets, be that key personal information about
1418
01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:16.479
an individual or so on. Use your imagination. It's essentially
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01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:23.199
like how we need cybersecurity for computer protection. With enough
1420
01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:27.600
proficient remote viewers, I would imagine you would need some
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01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:32.239
sort of security to protect against that. And actually I
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01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:36.560
have heard about security systems in the government that are
1423
01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:41.079
designed to keep remote viewers out. Remote viewers have entered
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01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:45.840
certain facilities and then gotten headaches. This is known as
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01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:53.600
psychic headaches by government agencies and deep black agencies and
1426
01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:58.840
programs that need to protect very sensitive material, and their
1427
01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:01.760
way of keeping remote viewer out is to have psychics
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01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:05.880
on their side that are able to identify when they're
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01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:10.479
being remote viewed, and then they cause resonant headaches in
1430
01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:11.680
whoever's doing the viewing.
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What is your definition of consciousness? Does the brain create
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01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:18.000
it or just receive it?
1433
01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:25.640
The brain, From what I've learned from the neuroscientists that
1434
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:30.119
worked with Ingo Swan specifically, and from what I'm seeing
1435
01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:34.880
from many of the researchers that worked with the CIA,
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01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:42.279
and I could quote from CIA documents that have been declassified,
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01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:48.319
the brain. The human brain works as a transmitter and receiver,
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01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:55.199
and consciousness is not produced in the human brain period.
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01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.800
I'm just going to say that, because if consciousness was
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01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:02.800
limited to the human brain, then things like remote viewing
1441
01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:08.119
would not be possible. Consciousness extends beyond the brain. In fact,
1442
01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:14.760
my understanding is that we are submerged in a field.
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01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:19.840
We are immersed in a field of consciousness, and that
1444
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:24.640
field is filled with information, and that is what we
1445
01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:31.119
can draw on for remote viewing and other psychic abilities. So, yes,
1446
01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:37.760
the brain itself that piece of computing ability that's in
1447
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:42.800
our brain. I think of our brain as our personal computer,
1448
01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:46.560
with its own hard drive storage for our memories and
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01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:55.479
experiences and information about our personalities. But the Internet is
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01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.199
something not in the computer. It's something that the computer accesses.
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01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:03.800
The Internet in this situation would be consciousness. So that's
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01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:06.720
the comparison I like to draw, is that the brain
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01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:10.560
is a computer, the Internet is consciousness.
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01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:12.560
I know what's getting light where you are, So I'm
1455
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:14.840
gonna ask a few more questions and then I'm gonna
1456
01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:19.279
let you give all your contact and website and YouTube's
1457
01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:23.880
channel information. But sure, can you tell us some about
1458
01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:26.279
Swan's famous Jupiter session.
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01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:32.239
Absolutely his. You know, I actually have a video on
1460
01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:34.760
this that I should send you a link to so
1461
01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:38.119
that you're so that your listeners can check it out.
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01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:44.000
Swan was Ingo was getting pretty bored of all the
1463
01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:47.439
experiments he was doing with SRI, all these these boring
1464
01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:49.920
tests that they had to keep giving him to prove
1465
01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:53.520
that he could see what's in an envelope or what's
1466
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:56.319
in the next room. So he said, why don't we
1467
01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:59.760
do something really interesting? You know, we're about to send
1468
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:05.359
the was this the Pioneer probe to Jupiter during the
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01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:08.600
this point in the seventies, this is early seventies. I
1470
01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:11.039
think it was Pioneer that they were sending out there.
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01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:11.520
I believe.
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01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:16.119
Yeah, he said, why don't we see if I can
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01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:21.199
project my consciousness out there before the consciousness before the
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01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:26.600
Pioneer probe arrives, and then I will report back what
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01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:32.760
what's actually on Jupiter. And so, begrudgingly, how put off
1476
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:37.800
and Russell targ agreed to run this experiment. And people
1477
01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:43.039
at JPL with with NASA, they said, okay, sure, we're
1478
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:45.039
going to be We're curious to see what you're going
1479
01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:50.319
to say about this, And so Ingo sat one day.
1480
01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:52.680
Of the fun part of this story is that he
1481
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:56.640
actually was so stressed out about this that he went
1482
01:49:56.680 --> 01:49:59.520
out for a drink the night before and he was
1483
01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:04.000
he was terribly hungover when he did this experiment. That
1484
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:06.760
everyone's heard of this experiment, but no one knows how
1485
01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.199
hungover he was. This This is part of the fun
1486
01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:13.520
of me getting to learn about who Ingo was. So
1487
01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:19.159
he went into the into Sri terribly hungover. He sits down,
1488
01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:22.560
he had his out of body experience and it took
1489
01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:29.960
him eight minutes to project his consciousness to Jupiter, and
1490
01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:34.560
he wrote a detailed report of what he witnessed there,
1491
01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:38.239
and then he returned to his body. He went home,
1492
01:50:38.680 --> 01:50:40.680
took some aspirin, and he went to bed for the
1493
01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.880
rest of the day. And so, of course the Pioneer
1494
01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:49.039
probe did not arrive until I think it was months later,
1495
01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:52.840
and it came back with some information, but it was
1496
01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:58.399
not until I think it was Voyager. The Voyager mission
1497
01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:01.600
went out that all a bunch of the things that
1498
01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:07.880
Ingo reported years before. The Voyager probe is the one
1499
01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:13.359
that confirmed all those things. It was incredible. Even like
1500
01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:17.600
no one knew that Jupiter has a ring. Ingo was
1501
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.640
the one who discovered that Jupiter had a ring around it,
1502
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:23.760
and it wasn't until the Voyager probe went out that
1503
01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:27.399
that was confirmed. And so that was an incredible story.
1504
01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:29.840
And I have and there's more detail about that that
1505
01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:31.600
I can send you a video link.
1506
01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:35.000
For Okay, if you send it after the show, I'll
1507
01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:36.800
get it up on the site because I leave your
1508
01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:42.239
information up for until about midweek. Sure thing, Yeah, what
1509
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:46.199
about the alleged moon observations, but you kind of covered
1510
01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:46.800
that earlier.
1511
01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:49.760
We talked a little bit about that, and there is
1512
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:53.840
some controversy there. There is some controversy there that could
1513
01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:57.880
lead into a much longer story. What Ingo wrote in
1514
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:03.600
Penetration about remote viewing the Moon, we know that he
1515
01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:08.079
had to speak carefully because what he's talking about in
1516
01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:12.680
his books, some of these were classified operations, and some
1517
01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:16.000
of them are still classified operations. So, for example, anybody
1518
01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:21.239
who's read his book Penetration knows that the name Axelrod,
1519
01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:25.560
the person that told him that wanted him to remote
1520
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:29.000
view the moon, Axelrod, is not the actual name of
1521
01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:33.279
this person. That is a pseudonym to protect the person
1522
01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:37.840
that was in this particular black program. So when it
1523
01:52:37.880 --> 01:52:41.600
comes to Ngo talking about the Moon, there's a lot
1524
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:46.920
of safe talk just so he does not you know,
1525
01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:51.560
when when people break oaths and things, they have to
1526
01:52:51.560 --> 01:52:54.840
be careful about how they talk about things.
1527
01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:56.920
He's kind of left clues instead of.
1528
01:52:56.840 --> 01:53:01.359
Answers yes exactly. So a lot of what he writes
1529
01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:06.079
are actually coded memoirs. So some of what he talks
1530
01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:09.600
about on the moon, and I can't even go too
1531
01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:12.760
deeply into this. There are just certain things that I've
1532
01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:16.319
been made privy to that are not in the public
1533
01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:22.199
sphere that, yeah, he had to be really careful, and
1534
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:26.680
so yes, there are some things about the moon, and
1535
01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:31.119
then there are some things that he described as being
1536
01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:35.239
on the moon because he had to kind of consolidate
1537
01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:39.279
a message into something that people would understand that would
1538
01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:40.600
also keep him out of jail.
1539
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.720
The government securities frustrat.
1540
01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:48.159
Him, Yes, very frustrating. It's very difficult to talk about
1541
01:53:48.199 --> 01:53:50.680
a lot of these topics when you know something but
1542
01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:55.399
you're not allowed to go the extra step. Luckily, things
1543
01:53:55.479 --> 01:54:02.199
are being declassified now and one of the big D
1544
01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:05.520
classifications that has come out in book form, I think
1545
01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:09.760
just this past year is Project eighty two hundred. I
1546
01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:13.319
think that's the name of the book. So if your
1547
01:54:13.399 --> 01:54:16.960
listeners want to hear one of the big D classifications
1548
01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:20.840
that has come out of the remote viewing program the
1549
01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:27.079
early days regarding et bases here on Earth, that is
1550
01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:31.000
the nature of what that book is about. And some
1551
01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:35.880
of that same information is touched on in Penetration, but
1552
01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:38.560
ingo is not allowed to talk about it in more
1553
01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:40.279
specific terms.
1554
01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:44.279
One final question, if Ingo were alive today, what do
1555
01:54:44.319 --> 01:54:46.279
you think would surprise him most?
1556
01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:50.079
Oh boy, Okay, I actually do have an answer for this.
1557
01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:53.680
It's not the most pleasant answer, but I'm going to
1558
01:54:53.760 --> 01:55:00.279
answer that honestly, because I've seen hours upon ours of
1559
01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:05.439
interview footage with Ingo, and that includes footage of him
1560
01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:09.760
when he didn't know the camera was rolling, and footage
1561
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:16.079
of him becoming frustrated, And from what I've gathered from him,
1562
01:55:16.560 --> 01:55:22.119
I think he would be frustrated by how short attention
1563
01:55:22.279 --> 01:55:28.079
spans are, how little interest people have in human ability.
1564
01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:31.640
There were so many things that he wanted to teach
1565
01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:36.640
people about their own abilities, about we all live in
1566
01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:40.399
these tiny boxes that we create for ourselves, or where
1567
01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:42.840
we want to fit into society in a certain way.
1568
01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:50.039
And I think one of Ingo's great frustrations, certainly toward
1569
01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:53.359
the end of his life, is that he uncovered so
1570
01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:59.840
much about human potential and so many people glossed over
1571
01:55:59.880 --> 01:56:05.359
it and they just didn't care enough to learn more
1572
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:09.960
about what they're capable of. So, Yes, if he was
1573
01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:15.760
alive today, I think he would be tired of challenging
1574
01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:20.239
people to think harder about what we could do and
1575
01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:24.600
what we could improve for the human race as a whole.
1576
01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:28.800
I'll ask you now, you want to give your YouTube
1577
01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:33.199
site where people could view your your movies and documentaries.
1578
01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:38.479
Yes, I'll give you a link. My YouTube page is
1579
01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:42.840
just Fabian rush Films. I think that's just Fabian. That's
1580
01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:46.760
YouTube dot com slash Fabian Rush Films, and I have
1581
01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:49.880
a lot of random stuff on there, stuff from my
1582
01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:54.439
band as well. But there is a specific portion of
1583
01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:59.319
that YouTube page that's devoted to the Ingo Swan documentary
1584
01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:02.159
that I'm working on, which is called Into the Void
1585
01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.439
or N two V, so I can give you a
1586
01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:13.479
link directly to that. There's also the Facebook page for
1587
01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:19.039
future Applications for Remote Viewing, which I think is just Fabian. Sorry,
1588
01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:24.199
it's just Facebook dot com slash project fa r V
1589
01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:30.680
and I guess those would be the most relevant web pages.
1590
01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:34.880
There's also a web page for the documentary itself, which
1591
01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:36.960
is currently being built out, and I'll give you the
1592
01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:39.479
link to that as well. So I think those are
1593
01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:41.600
the most relevant for your listeners here.
1594
01:57:42.359 --> 01:57:44.479
All right, Do you have an actual website or you
1595
01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:45.640
haven't developed one yet?
1596
01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:51.680
No, I'm not. I tend to stay out of the
1597
01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:56.319
stream of things. I'm more of an experimental person than
1598
01:57:56.399 --> 01:58:00.199
I am a spokesperson that usually goes out and and
1599
01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:03.520
does many interviews, So this has been a lot of
1600
01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:07.720
fun for me actually talking with you. Usually I'm the
1601
01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:13.840
one interviewing people. I've interviewed. I had a wonderful conversation
1602
01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:18.800
with Russell targ and I've interviewed other people who knew Ingo,
1603
01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:22.239
So I'm usually on the other side of this, and
1604
01:58:22.359 --> 01:58:27.439
I'll put out documentaries. But no, I've not consolidated everything
1605
01:58:27.479 --> 01:58:32.359
to one web page because I guess I don't want
1606
01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:35.800
to be too caught up in social media as I'm
1607
01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:40.479
trying to produce things that'll be released elsewhere, and I'm
1608
01:58:40.479 --> 01:58:44.319
trying to be on more the experimental front. And then
1609
01:58:44.439 --> 01:58:48.760
once I've had breakthroughs with various experiments, that's when I
1610
01:58:48.760 --> 01:58:52.319
would focus more on getting the word out well.
1611
01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:54.479
Saby, And it has been an honor having you here,
1612
01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:56.399
and I want to have you back. Would you be
1613
01:58:56.520 --> 01:59:01.520
interested sometime around late September are during the month of October.
1614
01:59:02.239 --> 01:59:06.119
Absolutely. This has been so much fun and I don't
1615
01:59:06.199 --> 01:59:09.159
get to have this conversation very often, so I'd love to.
1616
01:59:09.600 --> 01:59:12.800
It's been a pleasure talking with you, so I'd love
1617
01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:13.359
to come back.
1618
01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:16.199
Well, thank you, sir. I have some other questions I'd
1619
01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:20.039
like to ask you about UFOs and consciousness and the
1620
01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:25.079
disclosure situation. Our lack of disclosure is what I call it.
1621
01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:30.479
Yes, it's a comedic lack of disclosure. But it's a start.
1622
01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:34.239
It's a very introductory, low grade start.
1623
01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:40.039
Well, hopefully it'll accelerate. We'll see, but I will contact
1624
01:59:40.079 --> 01:59:42.640
you about having you back. And once again, I appreciate
1625
01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:46.560
you being on, and I thank you for your time
1626
01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:48.840
this evening. I know it's getting like where you're located.
1627
01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:51.520
Well, thank you so much for having me. And I'm
1628
01:59:51.560 --> 01:59:54.279
all pumped up now so I'm probably going to bed
1629
01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:57.520
extra late anyway. But it's been such a pleasure talking
1630
01:59:57.560 --> 01:59:57.800
with you.
1631
01:59:58.600 --> 02:00:03.159
Thank you, sir. And and I'll start the closing of.
1632
02:00:03.079 --> 02:00:06.479
The program, joined host Carl Richardson as he interviews top
1633
02:00:06.520 --> 02:00:10.560
guests in various fields of study, now airing live every
1634
02:00:10.640 --> 02:00:13.840
Saturday night from nine to eleven Central Time and ten
1635
02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:15.279
pm to midnight Eastern.
1636
02:00:16.039 --> 02:00:18.560
Well, my friends, we've come to the end of another
1637
02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:24.119
remarkable journey. Tonight, Fabian rush helpless venture into one of
1638
02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:29.359
the most fascinating frontiers known to humanity, the unexplored landscape
1639
02:00:29.439 --> 02:00:33.520
of consciousness. We've traveled through the remarkable life and work
1640
02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:38.560
of ingel Swan. We've examined the government's remote viewing program,
1641
02:00:39.039 --> 02:00:43.600
questioned the very nature of reality, and considered the possibility
1642
02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:47.159
that the greatest mystery in the universe isn't somewhere out
1643
02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:51.159
among the stars, it may be inside each and every
1644
02:00:51.159 --> 02:00:55.720
one of us. Whether you're convinced that remote viewing represents
1645
02:00:55.760 --> 02:01:00.199
an untapped human ability, while you're still weighing the evident,
1646
02:01:01.079 --> 02:01:05.119
I hope tonight has inspired you to ask questions, because
1647
02:01:05.239 --> 02:01:10.159
that's what midnight frequency radio is all about, not telling
1648
02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:14.800
you what to believe, but encouraging you to think, to question,
1649
02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:21.159
to explore, because history has taught us that today's impossibilities
1650
02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:27.880
often become tomorrow's accepted facts. A heartfelt thank you to
1651
02:01:28.039 --> 02:01:31.239
Fabian Rush for spending the evening with us and sharing
1652
02:01:31.319 --> 02:01:35.880
his knowledge and his passion for uncovering the mysteries that
1653
02:01:36.039 --> 02:01:41.079
continue to challenge our understanding of reality. And to all
1654
02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:44.600
of you listening across America and around the world are
1655
02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:48.199
wherever this signal found you tonight, thank you for spending
1656
02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:53.119
part of your evening with us. Without your curiosity, your questions,
1657
02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.920
and your willingness to explore the unknown, none of this
1658
02:01:57.159 --> 02:02:01.119
would be possible now. If your thoughts night scratched the
1659
02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:06.359
boundaries of what's possible, just wait until next Saturday. Joining
1660
02:02:06.399 --> 02:02:11.640
me here on midnight Frequency Radio will be award winning filmmaker, researcher,
1661
02:02:12.159 --> 02:02:16.079
media entrepreneur, and one of the most respected voices in
1662
02:02:16.159 --> 02:02:22.079
today's disclosure movement, Ron James. Ron serves as the media
1663
02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:26.640
relations director for MUFON, sits on the board of directors
1664
02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:30.439
of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, and has become one of
1665
02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:35.800
the leading voices documenting the rapidly changing landscape of up disclosure.
1666
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We'll be taking a hard look at the true state
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of disclosure, not the headlines, not the rumors, but where
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we actually stand. After years of congressional hearings, whistleblower testimony,
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military videos, and official government acknowledgments as disclosure truly began,
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what are governments still withholding? Why are so many intelligence officials,
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military personnel and scientists now speaking publicly, And perhaps the
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biggest question of all, are we witnessing the greatest revolution
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in human history? Or are we just seeing the very
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first chapter. We'll also be discussing Ron's latest award winning documentary,
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Accidental Truth next, the follow up of the internationally acclaim
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Accidental Truth UFO revelations, This new film explores where the
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disclosure movement is heading next, featuring new evidence, new witnesses,
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and a deeper examination of one of the most important
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stories unfolding in our lifetime. If you've been following recent
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developments in the world of ups, non human intelligence, congressional investigation,
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and government transparency, I want to miss this conversation that's
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next Saturday night, right here on Midnight Frequency Radio. Until then,
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keep looking up, keep asking the difficult questions, never stop
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searching for the truth, no matter where it leads. From
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the beautiful Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas, I'm Carl Richardson.
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Good Night, Everyone
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Complaints,
