Edinburgh Retro Computer & Video Games Podcast - Episode 4

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Hello, welcome to Edinborh Retro PC Podcast number four Tonight.
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I've got an extra special treep. I've got four of
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us here tonight. We have got George Hello. Are you
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doing good? Good stuff? We've got Dave you all right?
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Dav yep, doing great?
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Thanks, and I've got Ian Hi. Hello, Yeah, you're right, yeah,
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doing fine?
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Thank you?
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You had stuff? What he's been up to up to
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this weekend? The retro gaming at all?
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Well, I've been doing all sorts.
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I've been doing mods to my Attari seventy eight hundred
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and playing Marquee Cab and all sorts of stuff.
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So busy weekend for me.
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So was that was that quite a difficult mod job?
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Then it wasn't too bad that it was a little
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kit that I got from ebe, tiny tiny wee thing
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about the size of fifty pence piece constructions on how
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how to fit the bit of kit. You basically had
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the d solder that oref modulatter and the atari and
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four resistors. So that was the hardest bit of kind
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of desholder and all that stuff. But once that was done,
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it was it was pretty easy.
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Yeah, And that obviously makes a big, massive difference. I know,
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George shed and the same thing from my spectrum and
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it makes a massive difference.
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Well, I mean unplayable to be honest, through the refu
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and at the top of it was all fuzzy and
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you just couldn't tune it in.
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It was just terrible.
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Yeah, so putting in the composite once it's it's yeah,
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it's night and day and the tire twenty six hundred
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games look great as well.
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So happy.
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Oh, now you've got to practice. I mean, how much
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did it cost for the kit day if you don't
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mean masking?
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Twenty bucks twenty quid delivered and the guys from Turkey
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and he makes the board himself. He does them for
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in televisions and sorts of stuff. So it was about
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twenty bucks delivered and yeah, just came in and a
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tiny little board.
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It's all. It's all built.
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So all you have to do is put in the cables,
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put the cables in the right bit and solder them in.
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It's all labeled and everything for you.
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So it's it's a really easy, easy mode once you
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pluck up the courage to rip your old attire.
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Apart, bro, and we'll be a selfie and you were
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up to anything.
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Games wise, I've been playing a bit of Commodore sixty
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four stuff. I've got a new Commodore sixty four breadban
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last last week, yet to replace my C sixty four C.
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I've been rediscovering some classic Commodore sixty four games.
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Nice.
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I've been playing things like Jumpman Jumpman Junior. You've ever
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played them before?
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I've never played those now. Is it like jet Packer
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or anything like that.
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No, It's a platform kind of running jumping type game.
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It's one of these things that was on the you know,
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the C sixty four DTV, you know the plug and play,
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Oh yeah, joystick things. And I've ever actually owned a
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Commodore sixty four up until that point, and it was
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those games that made me want to get a real,
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actual Commodore. So I've also been firing up some old
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games that used to play on the Commodore C C sixteen.
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A friend of mine used to have a Commodore sixteen
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and we used to play Icicle Works, which is I
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kind of which is I kind of repped on kind
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of thing you know, over the year, kind of digging
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and things you're trying to avoid falling blocks and it's
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actually snowballs in this game, and I found that there
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was a commoner, say four versus of that, So I've
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been playing a bit of that as well.
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Really good stuff. Oh yourself, George, you're.
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I've been creating havoc on the Sinclair QL forum over
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the last couple of days. Basically what's happened is, obviously
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I bought that SD card for the QUL and it's
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been living a guy I think in Germany's Torving, I
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think his name is He's he's obviously manufacturer that he's
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promoted it and he delivered the team and I've set
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up working but for the life I couldn't get it
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to create subdirectories. So basically what it is really simple,
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create a subdirector called games, put my my QL games
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in it, and then I can then write more in
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front end to load of games in. But with for
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life my couldn't get to create sub subdirection. So I
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posted on the forum. The forum title was Sinclair, Sinclair,
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Sinclair QLSD headache, and within the matter of like three hours,
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the guy who wrote and designed that he got onto
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the forum explaining that apologized that there was stuff missing
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from the st card important files. So once he emailed
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that through me, I've got a thing working on right now,
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so I'm quite sure. So I've been a busy programming
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a super basic front end so that you can just
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press either one to nine and load of gaming from
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the st card. So I've been doing that the last
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couple of nights. So no no game playing as such, unfortunately,
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apart from playing death Strike on Sinclair Coel have you
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ever heard of that game?
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Excellent? Now, I've never been playing. I've not been playing.
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I've not had any main gaming sessions the last couple
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of weeks other than my mash up thing for YouTube.
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The chance been buzzy with other things. But actually, just
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just when you're talking there the Ean and obviously yourself, George,
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has brought us on a kind of an interesting point.
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You ever notice that all these kind of mods, all
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these modern mods, your st adapt there's all these kind
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of different bits of hardware. They all seem me they
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never see me originate in the UK. Seems to be
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kind of like her, you know, are Polish and our
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Turkey friends that do all these things. I think, is
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there a reason? Do you think?
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Why?
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Why these things seem to emanate from out with the UK.
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Do you think there's not much else to do in
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those countries? It's okay, no one's going to hear this year.
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You do know that half of Europe with that comment,
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they're not listening. It's fine.
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They don't have they don't have Big Brother and EastEnders.
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That's the problem.
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That's not a bad thing.
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I don't think it's just a case of they've they've
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got more people that are interested in it, or there's
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a lot more people in electronics who see this as
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a as a you know, a gap in the market
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where they can sell these products. I don't know. It's
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it's a hard one to kind of drill down, isn't it.
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So when you got your adaptor ian for your commerce
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it's before was that we in the UK?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, that was actually from a guy in the UK. Yeah.
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Did he buy it? Did he make them? Or did
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he just sort of I.
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Think, well, I think it's kind of an open source
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design and I think he just makes one kind of
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flavor of the device. I've got a funny feeling that
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originated in Germany about what about you, George? Is the
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the qul.
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It's actually it's the other way about. It's a guy
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a Chap called Peter who designed the device and basically
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hasn't gotten near the time or the money to invest
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anywhere in the project, so it passed over to guy
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in Germany who to them who have been obviously the
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originally the first one that they made sold for one
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hundred and forty condor sixty quid on sell my retro
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and then after that and they made a batch of
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three and amic to get one of them so for
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sixty quid. But I think it's just a case it's
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money and timing. It really.
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Has a QL got much of a following in I
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said this country.
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I think it has. I mean, I think a lot
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of people that had q ls where when they first
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were launched, there's a lot of kind of when the
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q always launched, people outrage were buying them. Yeah, yeah,
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so thirties forties were buying them. Now these guys thirty
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QL is now thirty years old, so these guys are
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now when they're sixties. So I'd say there is a
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limited amount of people that have them. You know, they're
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no as common as as a spectrum of.
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Common I think there's a definite gap in the market.
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For you technical wizards, where your solder lands and the life.
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I'm looking at you dev And I was think, guys,
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that was that was like kny an interest when it
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came up just for talking. The first thing I would
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like to ken of talk about, apart from our own
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computer club, is computer clubs back in the day. Did
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any of you guys go to computer clubs back in
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the in the eighties at all?
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Yeah?
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I think the first one I went to Now, I
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was living in the Borders at the time and one
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of the local papers mentioned this games club. I thought, fantastic, great,
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some you know there's people around the bout my area
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that loves gaming. You know, computer gaming I think as
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a spectrumnt of time. So I went along. Yet me
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and a couple of mates wet along when and it
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was upstairs above a pub. Who walked upstairs and theas these
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guys playing the role playing the venture games.
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So dourn and walk back at.
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It says is this a computer club? No? No role playing? Right?
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Okay bye? So that was disappointed. But non computer club
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went any computer clubs at all? None done doing where
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I was living at the time.
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Unfortunately throwing the west. Is there anything through your way.
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No, nothing, nothing much.
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There was an Amiga user club that I went to
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in later life, but when I was at school, now
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there was there may have been, but I mean that
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at the time, I was just interested in getting as
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far away from school as I possibly could. You know,
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I just used to go and play on my mates computers.
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We had quite a sort of social network. Yeah, friends.
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I had an Amstrad, a couple of mates of commodos.
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Other guys have the Spectrums. One had an MSX, so
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you know, we had the kind of would pop around
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to someone's house and four of us would all cram on.
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Their bed and all your bases covering. Yeah, so yeah,
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what we are selfie? Did you go?
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Yeah, pretty much the same kind of experience. I wasn't
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really organized computer clubs at school, but there was, like,
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like what Dave was saying, it's more of a social
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activity amongst you and your friends. And we would all
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out at someone's house with the joy sticking a big
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stack of seeing anty blank tapes. One person I was
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playing the game, one person sitting and copying it.
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That's actually quite interesting to hear that. I mean, I
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did go to a computer club. I'm trying to think
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when it'd be be just after I got my Comdra
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sixty four. You probably told about nineteen eighty four. It
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was a high school, a new high school built, and
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it was on a Wednesday night, and basically just yeah,
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I mean it was quite quite funny because on all
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the occasion, I mean you basically to take all your
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own stuff. It was wass like retro club. But back
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then you didn't have a you know, your your seventeen
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you have a car or anything. So you actually had
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to carry your telling and your computer. And we used
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to tell like suitcases and you had like a two
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mile walk to this computer club. If you're lucky, your
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daddy I left. But when the main you're taking a
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walk up and down and run the risk of getting
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jumped and getting your computer necked. But basically it was
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in a computer It was in this high school. It
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was actually in the science department and frontensive purposes. It
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was just an excuse the pirate games. I mean, there
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was all that. There was a there was the majority
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of the people that her own spectrums, who Memors really
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spoke to, and the end there was elite people who
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had the Commodore sixty fours or from maybe the way BBC's.
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Then you had like there was one in the role
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playing club, and then you had you had one of
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two guys that had Attario that everybody used to kind
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of laugh at, you know, until he pointed to it
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that stealth and the Attari was actually way better than
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the Commodore, which it was, but you never ever admitted
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to that. But basically, yeah, it was she turned up
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and there was one of two people with actually playing
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games and the being it was just like two cassette
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tapes recording copying games the whole time. But it was
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always a blind eye. I mean then the guy that
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actually it was a kind of janitor person who was
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in charge, turned a complete blind eye to what was
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what was going on.
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of lending library for Spectrum and Commodore and Amstrad games
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and you could roll up with your lib the card
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and you could hire out games for a few days.
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And see when you did that, did you say, right, son,
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remember we don't want you piate.
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Don't copy that. No, nothing like that.
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You walk do your double tape deck, a.
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Big gettle blaster yeah, excellent. The next one, I'm just
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as completely random questions here that I've written down. Next one,
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Dave CRT versus l c D for retro games?
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Would you think my word, that's it's a big, big question.
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Yeah, purists will will obviously want CRTs. I myself have
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have got to CRT TVs for my retro stuff. I've
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got a bit of space in broom, which I'm quite lucky.
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A lot of guys don't have the space, so l
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CDs are the only way. But that stuff, you know,
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the CRTs were quite forgiven, and because of the makeup
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of them and the scan lines and stuff, I actually
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excludes that the picture a little bit and you know,
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fuzzies it up and makes it look nice CD and
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you can see every pixel.
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It's a little bit scary.
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So, I mean, I was actually amazed at how how
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nice things like the PlayStation two and all that kind
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of stuff look on a CRT. You forget if you've
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been playing them on an l CD and you go back,
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I'm playing on a CRT, how nice they actually look.
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Yeah, you know, but l CDs are great, and obviously
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they're they're replaceable and all that kind of stuff.
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But for me, it would it would need to be CRTs,
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an LCD monitor market cabinet.
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But that's.
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That's another story.
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Yeah, it's funny some some systems that look all right
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on the LCDs and other ones, like I know, the
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the N sixty four just looks atrocious and an LCD
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for some reason. Yeah, I think it depended on the
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kind of blurridiness whatever it was called back then. And
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you know that it's.
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Softened it up and hid the jaggies.
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You know, if you can see the jaggy line, that
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just kind of ruins it a little bit.
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I actually find when I'm playing my Tardy eight hundred
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or COMMERCE sixty four in the l CD and I've
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got a big We've actually got two l CDs in
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little games room, I find it. I don't know if
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it's like doesn't updates quick, but like scrolling games like
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you play something like drop Zone, it doesn't scroll super
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as super smooth as it does if you're playing it
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on a CRT, right. Is that is a technical reason
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for that? Is it the scan refresherrate or something, or.
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Maybe the refresh rate I tell, because it's they'll be
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throwing up the resolution and all that kind of stuff.
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And I don't know. I mean, it's I've not had
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any trouble with the CRTs. Obviously the l CDs have
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been fined. Even in Marqute cabinet. It's it's been all right.
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Yeah, I suppose really the best kind of the best
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option to be would be one of these big ferry
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two in TV easy one that you gave away a
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couple of years ago at the club, because it's obviously
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got it's got the it's a CRT, but it's got
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the scar because obviously you know the old the old
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CRTs the Sunday Week not composite but equal r F thing,
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which was pretty crap. Yeah, probably yourself, George, what do
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you think yourself?
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I mean, I've got to the Commodore monitors. I think
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they're the best CRT monitor you can get on the planet.
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And I've got I've got to of the BBC cub
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monitors PC micro cub monitors. One of them died last night.
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Now I've found out. I did a bit of research
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and believe or know the company who makes the cub monitors.
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The company is still want to go micro v Tech.
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So I emailed them Dave and says look, do you
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still repair these things? Yes, we still repair them. And
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they said to me, of course, simply quid to repair it,
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plus fifteen quid for postation packaging.
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So to be honest.
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So I'm swillering Weather because I love the cup the
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cub moners. I think. I think there's a guy on
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YouTube and he's just made an arcade cabinet using a
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it's either a Couple monitor or a Commodore monitor. I
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just think that they look better. I think they're they're
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worth keeping a hold of. You picked them up cheap,
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and I think it's worth getting repaired. I just think
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it's a contrast for me that matters. As you said,
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it does help me the graphics, but just think the
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contrast ratio between the colors and like an a Meager
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or a Tarry just looks fantastic.
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I've got a twenty four s monitor, the Commodore monitor
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and thirty two to it, and it looks beautiful.
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You know.
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The blacks are black and it's crisp and it's it's
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really nice. But I wish i'd known you about five
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years ago. I actually my dad used to be a
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janitor forest a high school and ed and the school
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and the adjacent at school Saint Augustine's got knocked down.
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The shut down and when they were shutting the place down,
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they found a cupboard full of There must have been
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about twenty five BBC masters, cup monitors and printers and
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all sorts of stuff.
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And I rescued about six of.
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Them and gave them away to various pals, but the
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rest of them got skipped.
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I could have saved them.
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There's somebody on eb was selling for a while an
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adapter for the cub monitor, and it's basically I didn't
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plug on one end. It goes in the back of
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the cub monitor. Another end you had like almost like
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a skirt connection, so you can connect anything via skirt
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to the cub monitor. So a Tarry sixty four, anything
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that you could connect up your skirt, you could connect
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up to this cub monitor.
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You'll not get sound of George.
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No, that's only annoying thing. That's the kind of bonus
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with the Commodore monitors, as you've got the sound on
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the Commour monitors actually really really loud, as you know
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from me bringing a six to four long playing music.
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Connected brilliant right. The next one, Chaps favorite Joyce. Orry.
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Yeah, just feel if you've got anything edit that, but
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you'll be really.
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When I first joined the club, all of a sudd
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I'm looking to get something portable the TV to bring along,
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and I actually invested in a flat screen twenty one
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or twenty two inch screen and I've hardly ever used
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it because everything looks completely hopeless on it. I've tried
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plugging in computers, consoles. I've been through several av cables
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for Super Nintendos, and none of them make the picture
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look anywhere near as nice as where it looks on
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an old CRT TV. Either you get it's really kind
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of fuzzy because the old the nest and the Mega
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driver out putting someone like two forty p and it
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just looks terrible, or you get the kind of checkerboard
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effect where there's like little squares are lines going down
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the screen as well, and it's just completely hopeless.
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So it looks it looks a lot of times they
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can't you muck about you and they just look a
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bit washed out.
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Yeah that's what I think.
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I mean.
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There is there's things you can buy and I had
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to look at There's there's RGB upscalers that you can get,
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but they're hideously expensive if you're talking hundreds, so they're
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not even worth looking at, or just get one off
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free cycle.
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You know, it's funny how things go that full circle,
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because I mean we obviously had like CRT TVs and
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then flat screen Tvs'll got l CD plasma. Now we're
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HARKing back. We want a ship quality and so you
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can actually now buy cards that actually put scan lines
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over it to make it look absolutely.
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I've got a pair of glasses with scanlings on it
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just to get.
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My old eyes have scan lens on them.
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Just funny and just a little Dave talking about the
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other day cub monitors. Have you ever has there ever
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been something that, you know, looking back before you go
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into collector video games, you were in a situation where
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you saw something and you think, Chris, I wish I
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could go back back then and take it or whatever.
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I mean, I'll go first to can you explain what
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I'm talking about? It must have been about I don't know,
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nineteen eighty seven, I think it was. It was in
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the summer and where we're going to go. There's me
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and a bunch of mates. We're going to go to
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where we'll be going going to Burnt Island for the
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day roast hot day and as we're driving, I think
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it was like a mark to a Cartina or something.
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We're not Cartina, Escott. We're driving to Burnt Island and
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actually saw a Galaxy and Arcade cab just discarded the
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side the road. Look at that. You know, back then
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you have something said you want to go No, because
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I've got my condors like before, you know, I mean,
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that was was shit. But you know, if you go
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back then and put in the back of your car,
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you retain it.
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My god, you.
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Know, I don't know if you have any I've actually seen.
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There was a picture of it was on doing the
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rounds on Internet and I think it was obviously stem
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from America and it was all these classic cabs was
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just put flung in a big kind of landfall, just
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in a pile. I I about to get crushed.
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Whatever make you weep?
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Oh we didn't, we would indeed. So is there anything
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like that at all? Any anything you've ever thought? Crazy?
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I wish I could go back and get that or.
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That's only any freebies that I've seen.
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But being in Dixon's and the Guile Way, back got
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ten fifteen years ago something like that, Warner and they
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were selling the amstrads GX four thousand console. The console
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was ten pounds brand new box, too quid each and
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I had pretty much every game going because they obviously
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bottled them in and it was a complete flop. But
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you know, if I if I'd bought their stock for
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I don't know, one hundred quid, I could have probably
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sell it for thousands on eBay.
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That's the thing.
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Yeah, I think that's the thing. I mean, it's easy,
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you know in hindsight now in the twenty fourteen thing,
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Oh why did I give away my commerce? Six before?
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Oh I gave away all. I mean I had a
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whole collection in zapp magazines and I just flung in
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the bucket And it's easy to see, Christ why did
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I do that? But you know, but back in nineteen
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eighty six, I wasn't interested in the commerce before I
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was wanting that in Amiga. So you know it's like
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it's like now, I mean, you get you get yourself
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an iPhone five's whatever you've got, and you say it's
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on No, I've got an iPhone forward you want it?
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Nah?
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And it goes into a drawer where there's probably in
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twenty years time you'll be craving to have an iPhone four.
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You know, it's it's it's easy to can in retrospect,
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to look back and go, I wish I still had that,
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But back at that snapshot in time, you have an
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interest in these things, you.
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Know, it's just not knowing what's going to be collectible
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in the future. That's that's the problem.
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I mean, I thought I would I would have kept
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Mark two Cortina.
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As I actually know a guy. I know a guy
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or a mate who knows a guy. I mean, he's
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a sad, sad, sad person, but he's he's apparently got
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every single McDonald's toys in the last fifteen years. You know,
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they be things you get happy meals, and I'm quite
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sure they'll probably be worth something. You know, he doesn't
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open them.
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I saw many moons ago, when I first started working
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and found the you know, the gateway drug of eBay,
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there was a guy selling a cup, a paper cup
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from a KFC meal.
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It was an American import and it was it was
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printed sort of.
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It was just a white cup, a drinks cup, a
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large drinks cup, and it was white.
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It was printed with blue and red and it was
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Return of the Jedi.
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And the lid thing on top of it had a
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little millennium for looking on it, and it's old for
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one hundred and fifty dollars.
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00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:14.240
Didn't have drinking it now an empty cup?
492
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:16.480
Was it sky? Was it a skinny lit?
493
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.480
That's the thing I mean, you could literally you could
494
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.200
get in a situation where you think, I mean, I'll
495
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.519
be honest when I when I for a while then
496
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:36.880
when I was getting buying anything, the first thing I
497
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.920
was doing was putting the box and the loft was
498
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.799
before I used to fling the box in the bucket
499
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:43.240
and I would put the box in loft so I
500
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:44.759
can sell it an eBay, you know, because you get
501
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.000
more for it box. But about a year ago, and
502
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.279
that year ago, about six months ago, we'll be attire
503
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:52.440
a skip for some stuff, and I actually went into
504
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:54.839
the loft and I was flinging out all the boxes
505
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.200
or the bottot. I'm never ever actually going to sell them,
506
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.799
you know what I mean? So why why hang on
507
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.680
to them? But yeah, some people just so you know,
508
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.480
when it comes to you know, they'll buy a box,
509
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:04.240
you know what I mean.
510
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:07.519
I just I just like the box when I'm buying
511
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.759
a rep room machine just for storage if it's an attic.
512
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.839
But you know, just because it an attic, it stops
513
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:19.119
it getting dusty. But I serious collectors like it because
514
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:20.720
the one of resale value.
515
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:23.759
I think, Yeah, remember that there was a collection on
516
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.240
the eBay or it was a story. I don't think
517
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.200
it was actually for sale, but it was a guy
518
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.920
who had a mask. They had bought a complete collection
519
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:35.119
or built a complete collection of PlayStation two games and
520
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.160
they were all sealing. Every single one of them was
521
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:42.640
factory sealing. Well, what's the point of that. It's a
522
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.160
nice thing. Go oh, look that's twelve years that took
523
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.400
me in sixty five, but I'll never play any of them.
524
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:50.799
Yeap, waste waste something that is.
525
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:52.680
Something really sad. I almost think the same as when
526
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.119
you see like somebody, you know, some kid or some
527
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:58.279
somebody selling my kid's toy. You know it was never opened.
528
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:01.519
A toy is for playing with, it's not for bloody
529
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:06.079
putting in the cabinet to look at exactly saying these games.
530
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.759
I've seen people going into palpitations when I've bought a
531
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.279
sealed game and I've opened it or or heaven forbid,
532
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:13.200
cut the table off.
533
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.400
The top of a mega drive.
534
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:21.680
Books starting nerves when you start doing.
535
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.400
I'm a collector, but I like to play the thing.
536
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:26.680
You know, it's.
537
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.279
Just by two copies, the one to play and one
538
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:30.640
to keep.
539
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.000
That's when it gets expensive.
540
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.279
There's people to do that.
541
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:41.839
Yeah, any guys, moving on the next one. I was
542
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.880
going to talk about joystick back in the day. Obviously
543
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.640
joystick's answer common nowadays. But did you have a joystick
544
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.440
a particular favorite joystick?
545
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.119
Yeah, I've got one fright in front of my competition pro.
546
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.119
I think I think all the competition pros were microswitches. One,
547
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:07.160
you know, the one the competition, the competition. I've got
548
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:08.759
a competition pro here in front of it's one of
549
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.279
the two red buttons on it, and it looks like
550
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:16.160
an arcade joystick. But when I buy them nowadays a
551
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:20.079
rubber on inside. It gets really hard on them. So
552
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.319
when you're trying to move a joystick, they're really stiff.
553
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.559
So normally what it is a strip I'm doing in
554
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.039
a normally cut the rubber doing so it's a bit
555
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:29.480
smaller so you can get a bit of moving and
556
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.279
the controls on the micro switches on them, it just
557
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.680
feels more like an arcade stick on them, competty, because
558
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.039
I think they were all right when they were new,
559
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.920
but now the rubber is bloody that hard on them,
560
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.160
that the thing the stick hardly moves and it's it
561
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.599
just feels shy. So that's what I've got to them.
562
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.359
I've modified them. May be easy, a little bit nice,
563
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.799
hot to play with. Yeah, choice and competition proble, love
564
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:55.079
the joys.
565
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:56.559
There'll be a selfie and you are.
566
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.480
Yeah, the best one for me was the one I've
567
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:06.759
got right in front of me right now. It's the
568
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:07.880
zip stick.
569
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.640
And is that is the zipstick quite similar to the competition.
570
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.640
Exactly the same layer, but I found it well, my
571
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.000
problem with the competition pro and the one I've got
572
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.119
here as well, is it's it's just too stiff, just
573
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.359
give so hand after a while. But the zip stick
574
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.599
is just that kind of nice, that kind of nice
575
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.279
looseness and it's quite easy to move without any effort.
576
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:37.599
And yeah, I'll tell you another good joystick that I've
577
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.519
got in front of me, and it's called a Delta
578
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.640
two thousand. See if you if you guys google that
579
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.880
and bring an image up. It's a nice joystick. It's
580
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:51.160
more like an arcade feel on. No, it's it's black,
581
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.079
red button on the handle, red button in the front.
582
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.680
It's called a Delta two thousand model R. Do you
583
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.759
want to? But they're a nice joystick, ye.
584
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.759
Did anyone ever liked the the ones that you hold
585
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.559
with your full hand and goes like the flight choye
586
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.359
to Yeah, those kind of things, massive grip. I just
587
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:10.720
found they were really imprecise.
588
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:16.079
Yep. I think the thing clear bro, I'm sort of
589
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.559
clear brought them out and we're that kind of style.
590
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.799
Then then you had what's that make Dave? The one
591
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.359
that was like that with a big handle on it.
592
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.160
There was a kind of one meet that they were
593
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:25.920
all like that.
594
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:27.880
I can't remember.
595
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.960
It's a quick shot shot, quick shot, quick shot.
596
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.039
That's a quick shot too, quick shot too?
597
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.680
Are you talking about a quick shot? All right? I
598
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:40.960
think you're talking about something else. Was my joy stick
599
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:41.480
of choice?
600
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:48.920
And seen as we're all wiggling our joysticks together.
601
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.000
That that was your that was your stick of choice?
602
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.200
And was it the the you said?
603
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.000
Yeah, yeah, it was the red based one just.
604
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.039
For stability, the black bits at the side.
605
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.279
Is it right.
606
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:05.119
I think I've got a couple of cople of Actually
607
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:06.640
I liked it.
608
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:08.880
I like to sort of trigger fire button, you know,
609
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:13.519
I like that kind of pistol grip style. So that
610
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:14.799
that was that was my joystick.
611
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.519
A choice, it was, I think it was. I mean
612
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:19.400
obviously back in you know, the mid eights, when you
613
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.000
first got your computer, I mean, you didn't have that
614
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.559
much money, so you know your choice, You've got one choice,
615
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.839
like and that was you know, that had the last year.
616
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:28.200
So I think I think a lot of the time
617
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.799
it depends what joyce that you bought. I mean I
618
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.960
got when I bought my commerce sixty four, there was
619
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.640
a what do you call it? There was a computer
620
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.240
shop in Livingston and he got his. He used to
621
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.039
import it. Look in fact, he was primarily and a
622
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.440
Tari dealer. And I don't know if you've heard the Wicko.
623
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.799
They were a really really big, really sort of quality
624
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.960
choice like maker from America and there was a wicked
625
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:55.240
Boss and it was it had a huge, big gray bass,
626
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.680
big massive gray stick and it just had the one
627
00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.480
fire button which is on the very top. But she
628
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.960
used for your thumb. I mean this thing it had
629
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.880
like it was like playing an arcade game, an analog
630
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:09.279
bloody you know, stick had so much movement, but that's
631
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:10.960
what I was used to, That's what I played. You know,
632
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.039
virtually all my kind of commerceis of four days was
633
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.359
spent using this thing. And then when I eventually got
634
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.000
rid of that, and then he went on it like
635
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:19.440
kemps and Joyce existed. They feel the same at all,
636
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.519
and I find I mean that I'm good at pressing
637
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.240
the fire button on the top, but there's very few
638
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.799
joysticks actually have a fire button on the top with
639
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:26.319
your thumb.
640
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:31.480
Yeah, yeah, what would you say from experience? What you
641
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:34.000
say is the worst joystick you've ever used?
642
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.119
Amstrad j Y one, right.
643
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.880
Dictrum one that came with the Spectrum plus two, the
644
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:41.519
gray one.
645
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.400
Yeah, that was the horrible.
646
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.759
That the variant of the Amstrad joystick, it.
647
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.720
Was yeah, yeah, just yeah, that's right.
648
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.160
Yeah. Design for infants.
649
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.200
You had to have the smallest hands, naught to man,
650
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.319
and if you looked at the wrong way, it snapped
651
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:58.160
into a million bits.
652
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.839
Actually, I think the probably the worst joystick I've ever used,
653
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.160
or the worst controller, I should say, is the correct
654
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.839
Mines Dave is for the sixty seventy eight thousand. Is
655
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.920
that the the one the joystick that came out for
656
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.519
in the UK. It was a kind of it looked
657
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.240
like a remote control of a big bloody joystick stuck
658
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:18.720
on it.
659
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.200
It had the two buttons at the side of the base.
660
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:31.839
It's called the pro controller bizarrely, and yeah it was.
661
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.319
It was bizarre. It was, I don't know, it was.
662
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.920
It was kind of like a variant of the Sega
663
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.200
power stick for the Master System, which looked like the
664
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.039
most unusable joystick on a man.
665
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.799
As wellctangular thing. Hold on, Yeah, it looked like a
666
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.519
gear stick. Yeah, you were supposed to play a game
667
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.519
with that. I don't know, but just hideous.
668
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.920
I mean, I think in America did not sorry Jeorde link.
669
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.400
In America they brought the control of the seventy eight hundred.
670
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:58.279
Was it not a kind of game pad? It was
671
00:33:58.279 --> 00:33:59.519
more like the ny Yes game pad.
672
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:00.799
I think you the ones.
673
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.440
I've got the flat game pads and they're all right,
674
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.559
but they're they're no, they're no very good quality, to
675
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:09.920
be honest, they're not really comfortable to play me.
676
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:13.599
See the seventy eight hundred dry pads. Can you take
677
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.280
the thumbsticks off of them? Are they fixed on them?
678
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.679
They're they're screw in. So it's got the cross pad,
679
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.559
but you can screw in the thumbstick.
680
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.239
Right, so you can't take them off and just play
681
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:24.400
with a pad then yeah.
682
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.039
Yes, yeah, but the whole thing's a little bit creaky.
683
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.039
I'll push it too hard and frustration and you'll, I
684
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.519
think you'll put your thumb right through it.
685
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.960
Yeah, I was. I would say the worst joystick have
686
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.039
ever experienced is any BBC micro.
687
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.480
Joystick analog ones?
688
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.159
The analog yeah, yeah, the ones that don't self center.
689
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:52.880
Yeah, that's right.
690
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.559
Yeah.
691
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.280
I suppose that a lot of that stem from when
692
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.159
these computers came out. They weren't really you know, gaming
693
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.000
was what do you call it? That was like secondary
694
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.280
actually swabby clip. I don't know if in fact, i'm
695
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.639
kind of moving on a subject here, but there was
696
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.760
a computer program that used to be fronted by a
697
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.880
chap called Ian McNaught Davis. It's called the Computer Program.
698
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.960
And he was actually remember him, he was looking at
699
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:23.960
the computers and they said, yes and this this was
700
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:28.519
running a game. But that's just a waste of.
701
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:29.280
That clip.
702
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.000
Talking about I think it's talking about sports games as well,
703
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.079
I said, and these are the worst kind of the
704
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.599
games us.
705
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:45.639
I think it was kind of moved on naturally to
706
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:50.960
my next thing, computer programs. Did you watch any of that?
707
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.880
And I'm not I'm not talking about the games shows.
708
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.559
I'm actually talking about computer programs. Did any can then
709
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.639
you recall any computer programs that came out so back
710
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.280
in the day, Dave?
711
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:03.880
Can you?
712
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.719
It's got to be quietly, I'll putting you on the spot, Dave,
713
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:10.679
can you think Anny?
714
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:12.079
I can't.
715
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.719
I mean I've seen them since, you know, I went
716
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.519
back and like that. I think it was a computer
717
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:17.519
show or something that's called.
718
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.760
But I don't. I don't remember them back in the
719
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.599
day too young.
720
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:26.320
Actually you're probably two. I've probably bloody rope for myself.
721
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.119
I'm probably the only personal enough to remember them.
722
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.199
I got my armstrad my first computer I got in
723
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.400
nineteen eighty five.
724
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.079
What was a six? Yeah?
725
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.000
I feel old now, as old as me mate.
726
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.239
Probably the one that remember the couple that remember from
727
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.840
when I was younger would be making the most of
728
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.800
your micro Yeah. That one went on for a while.
729
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.679
And also there's another one where there was one episode
730
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.840
where he basically the built up to it. So it says, right, okay,
731
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.280
we're going to give you a game, and the game
732
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:06.880
will there'll be a black dot on your TV screen
733
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.519
and we'll we'll give you in structures how we designed this.
734
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.039
You have to buy our magazine and you'll design this
735
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.679
device that connects to your spectrum and you'll put the
736
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.039
sucker on the television and you can load the game
737
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.360
in from the flashing dot on your screen. It's like, nah,
738
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.440
too much as what TV program makes?
739
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.199
A couple of micro a couple of remember I think
740
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.760
the first one it was. It was when the bb
741
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:36.960
is when the BBC gave the contract to Acorn for
742
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:41.199
their Computers for Schools program, and they brought out this
743
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.960
program called the Computer Program and it was what was
744
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.440
the guy used to be in That's Life, I can't
745
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:48.440
remember his name, and this Ian McNaught davis, and it
746
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.079
was basically think about twelve episodes and it just it
747
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.559
was just taking you through you know, computers that they
748
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.639
can he touched on games, etcetera. But Ian said that
749
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.800
it was kind of looked, you know, the kind of
750
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.639
despise you know, games for for the Devil whatever type thing.
751
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.119
But that was had the Computer Program and then I
752
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.440
think after that they brought out Making the Most of
753
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.800
the Micro which you're talking about, George, and then the
754
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.199
one after that was called Micro Live and it had
755
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.079
the wonderful Fred who used to be in play school
756
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:21.320
I don't know, Fred Harris, Fred Harris, and also had
757
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.480
the Leslie Judd who used to be on what was
758
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:26.559
She and Blue Peter. That was about the only reason
759
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:30.840
for watching it to see Leslie Judd. But that was
760
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:32.559
quite good. I mean that was I didn't actually have
761
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.440
a computer that point, but that's when the whole computer
762
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.719
thing started to king of get rolling, and you know,
763
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.719
I used to sick glue to it, and I can
764
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.599
always remember they were saying that there was this new
765
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.519
computer and it was going to be getting you know,
766
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.280
it was a new computer coming out from Commodore, and
767
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.239
he had this computer a sheet over it and they
768
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.280
used to wait till the following week to see where
769
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.440
it was. And it was I think it was the Amiga.
770
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.280
Was it one thousand or something? Was that was that
771
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:03.000
the first one? I think when I, yeah.
772
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.639
I just couldn't mind. I couldn't mind there alan what
773
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:10.599
Lesley Judd looked like, so I just googled them she
774
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:12.840
was quite hot. But I've just googled. The first picture
775
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.960
came up is her stroking her pussy on bloe beer.
776
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.159
That's the first picture that came up. I thought, I
777
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:21.880
know it is now.
778
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.760
Probably aging myself. He remember her from the Adventure game,
779
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.400
which was kind of computer I had, Yeah, because I
780
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.800
had BBC micros, didn't it And I had to get
781
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:40.199
to amaze with a BBC micro And it's not like
782
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.480
kind of furry robotic thing that had a kind of
783
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:43.360
brummy accent.
784
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.800
Do you know what everything in that in that Adventure
785
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.199
show game was an anagram of the world dragon.
786
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:55.280
Yeah, really, yep, serious.
787
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.079
They used to have the uncle in it. I think
788
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:00.880
the uncle can I say the game show and he
789
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.400
was a plant is a plan and they used to
790
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.679
say Granda, Gronda and all that kind of stuff, which
791
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.679
was an anagram of dragon.
792
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.559
And the money was called draugna as well.
793
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:17.480
Yeah. Yeah, I think the.
794
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.159
Actual race of people were called argons again dragon like
795
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.800
saying the word dragon. But just to just go back
796
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.360
to what you were saying about games shows, I used
797
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.199
to watch Bad Influence. I used to watch.
798
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.960
That Violet Berlin and Andy Kraane.
799
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:35.800
Yeah, I was trying tomber a name Violet Berlin.
800
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:40.800
Yeah, yeah, was it not called irritating Andy Krane might
801
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.159
have been. Yes, I've got a few of them, and
802
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:45.639
I think I've got the whole. I think there was
803
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.039
like seven. In fact, there was seven series of Games Master.
804
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.239
There's about three or four series of by the Influence,
805
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.800
and I have to met it's quite hardy actually watch
806
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.320
I can. I can watch Games Master over and over again.
807
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.159
I don't have stated is badly but bad the influence
808
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.280
is pretty can he dating badly? It's very much young
809
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:03.880
little kids and that kind of stuff.
810
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:07.599
Like it's in your face and trying to be hippen
811
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:08.159
trendy and.
812
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.719
It's yeah yeah. And it used to rather than have
813
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:14.440
the adults reviewing games, it was like six year old
814
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:18.199
kids reviewing them. Yeah, this is a really good guy.
815
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.360
It's got really nice graphic. I give it a nine
816
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:21.880
out of ten.
817
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.119
You remember as well, on a Saturday morning, there used
818
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.199
to be a thing an ITV called Movies, Games and Videos.
819
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.239
Oh and it was there was no presenters, but it
820
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.159
was this used to show your clips of new releases
821
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:45.679
and just kind of a guy talking over it kind
822
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.039
of thing. And this is getting really kind of obscure now,
823
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.519
but on Sky a few years ago, maybe about ten
824
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:56.760
years ago, there was an Italian TV channel dedicated to
825
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:02.360
video games. It's called Game Network and it was Italian,
826
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.079
but I I think it was mostly in English, but
827
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.960
I think, and it's kind of later day it did
828
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.760
revert to just nothing but Italian programs, but that was
829
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:09.599
quite interesting as well.
830
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:10.480
I think.
831
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:15.239
Yeah, again, just another hot chick on on that as well,
832
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:17.559
hot Italian chick.
833
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.760
So I mean games Master was obviously that was that
834
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:23.679
was the one. I mean, I don't know if any
835
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.719
of you guys have watched any games Master recently late,
836
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.079
but I can't believe the number of doubling torn was
837
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.599
that Dominic Diamond manaches to put into every very single episode.
838
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.079
Says on those programs, you have no idea how to
839
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:36.960
go with that at all. If I've watched some of
840
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.239
the back on YouTube, and I.
841
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.800
Remember I was going to say, there's an interest in
842
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:44.599
the I think it was. In fact, it was one
843
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.119
of my mates posted it. I'll actually put a link
844
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:51.079
on our Facebook page. There was a podcast, say, I
845
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.039
can't remember what they name of the podcast is one
846
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.719
of these retro sites anyway, in the actually interviewed Dominic
847
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.000
Diamond about a year ago, and he basically says, was
848
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:04.039
that charl four. Nobody at all from Channel four looked
849
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.519
at what they were Actually, all they knew is that
850
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.480
the ratings are going through the roof, so they were
851
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.719
quite happy, he says. So it's basically they were just
852
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.159
firing as many. It was just like a you know,
853
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:15.880
they just put as many double and torn as they
854
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.679
couldn't say. It got to the point that like when
855
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:19.960
it came to guess, it's like who do I fancy?
856
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.800
Who can make it on? So Sam Fox and your
857
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:27.159
Cordners whatever, like you know, but yeah, it's quite interesting.
858
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.840
But nobody for Channel four apparently ever actually looked at
859
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:31.400
what you know, what.
860
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.079
I mean, I've got a clip in mind, But does
861
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.360
everyone have a favorite Games Master moment they can think of?
862
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:42.599
I like a lot of it. I can't think any
863
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:43.800
one particular one because.
864
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.960
There's there's there's one bit, there's never there's there's never
865
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.519
left me. And it was there was a bit where
866
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:51.519
I think he was it was talking about a game
867
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:57.320
that had Robert de Niro doing a voice character and
868
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.960
Dominic Diamond's introducing the kind of news it and I
869
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.079
said by blah blah, and this game is voiced by
870
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.719
by Robert de Niro. Uh and here he is and
871
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.559
that's an interview with Bob deaniro When it cuts to
872
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:15.320
him and it goes Bob talk some pitch. I think
873
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.039
I must have spat my dinner at that time.
874
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.119
I mean, the thing is that you see him awake.
875
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.679
I don't think he be littled kids and that kind
876
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.760
of stuff, but some of the way, you know, speak
877
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.199
to some of them, you know, so I think you've
878
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.039
not got a girlfriend. I didn't think so all that,
879
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:31.920
you know. I mean, he just really he got away
880
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:35.639
with Murder Light. You should rewatching it is absolutely brilliant.
881
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.360
That's like there was another game show. I don't know
882
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:40.360
if anybody saw. I never actually saw at the time
883
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.199
because I couldn't afford Sky, but it was it was
884
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.400
a sky He only came out in Sky. I think
885
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.880
it was Sky one. It was called The Games World.
886
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.440
You should google it. Bloody awful. I think it was
887
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.920
on actually every single day, but basically it was there
888
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:56.559
was just that Tim Boone who used to be one
889
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:00.639
of the game game master present. There was him and
890
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.480
I was I can't know what the guy's name was
891
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.599
there was another guy who was a sort of comedian type.
892
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.880
There was a two of them, and then basically they
893
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.559
would they had like the kind of hand picked hind
894
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.239
They had like Dave Perry, you know, Dave Bandana, the
895
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.800
animal Perry, and there was him, and there was like
896
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.840
three or four other supremely good video game players, and
897
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.000
they're all dressed up as different characters, and they boost.
898
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.760
They brought these little kids and you know, they had
899
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.079
to take any pick a numb one, whatever number. It
900
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.159
was determined what sort of like character they played against.
901
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.280
And they used to get absolutely thrashed, you know, bloody abysmally,
902
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.519
you know, but wasn't wasn't a patch on games Master.
903
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.519
But so moving on for that, why why do you
904
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.719
think I mean considering I mean, I've read, you know,
905
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:46.000
many articles saying that apparently the games industry makes more
906
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.199
money something ridiculously, he makes ten times amount of money
907
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.800
than Hollywood in the movie industry. Yeah, there's still no
908
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.760
game there's there's still no programs in the TV for games.
909
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:56.639
Why is that? You think?
910
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:03.239
So? It's an odd one, isn't it. I think I think,
911
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.840
I think, I mean, just taking a start, I think
912
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:07.880
YouTube's killed it.
913
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.000
Yeah, do you know it's kind of weird that I
914
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:17.760
don't know if the current generation, you know, everything's instantly available.
915
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.079
So you've got YouTube, you've got video clips, you've got
916
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.199
you know, magazines. You didn't need to read things. You
917
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.000
just scan a QR code and it plays a trailer
918
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.960
on your phone. You know, everything instantly there. And kids now,
919
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:33.559
I mean my nephew sits and watches videos on YouTube
920
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.320
of a guy playing Minecraft. Yah sits and watching someone
921
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.840
playing a game. What's that about?
922
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:46.039
I think it's I think I think people either because
923
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.119
they want to know how to play a game or
924
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.639
I mean, I must follow about forty four on YouTube,
925
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.440
including Alan and Maister. And the reason why I do
926
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.119
it is there's games out there never heard, and there's
927
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.719
games I want to try and I want to play,
928
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:07.440
and I think it's a great way of finding more
929
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:12.199
about retro stuff or games or different consoles or different machines.
930
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.960
And I think YouTube, I would say, maybe wrong, but
931
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.440
that's the main reason why Hasney there's no been a
932
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.199
TV program out there that's kind of supporting that.
933
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.039
YouTube kind of like the public access TV of all
934
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.360
this anything.
935
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.639
So you can find your niche programs. You know the
936
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.000
fact that there's channels now of retro stuff.
937
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.000
You know, I think you're I think you're all right
938
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.400
in YouTube and you can review anything under the sun, games, consoles,
939
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.639
anything you want. The only thing you can't review is
940
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:51.280
anything with the one intended in it. That's right, because
941
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:55.599
I don't know if you've heard, there's several major retro
942
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.960
channels have had all their videos taken down because copyright
943
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.400
infringement from them, and so much so that one of
944
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.760
them has actually decided not to have any more videos
945
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.599
on YouTube. He's basically got his own his own website
946
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.599
where he uploads his latest videos. And I think one
947
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.039
of the Steve one of Steve Benwy's the fact two
948
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:22.840
threeter Steve Benwie's recent videos, he talks about even having
949
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.119
the music. You know, when Nintendo see like a Nintendo
950
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.440
game the music playing the background, they'll Nintendo complain about
951
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.639
and YouTube have to take your video down. You know,
952
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.360
even though he's say this is the best Nintendo game
953
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.920
I've ever played, Super Mario, because you're playing the tune
954
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.280
at start, Copyright infringement, take it down?
955
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.360
Yeah, just falling on for that. Georgia, You're absolutely right.
956
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.199
I know, Steve Ben. I mean, I've I've got my
957
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.719
own little YouTube playing and a basically just playing games
958
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.360
for ten minutes is a bit of laugh. But apparently
959
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.639
we're where Nintendo start getting strappy, is I don't I
960
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:01.880
don't know when when you when you become it is
961
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.400
a partner of YouTube, you can actually start making money.
962
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.239
And I think it's when you start getting adverts on
963
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.719
your you on your videos. That's apparently they're they're only
964
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.719
targeting people who are making money out of them because
965
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.559
as far as you're concerned, you're using their music to
966
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:18.079
make money for yourself. Because when I meet my wee videos,
967
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.079
I mean I have the music and everything playing, you know,
968
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.400
I don't give a toss. But he says, as long
969
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.360
as you're as long as you're not making any money,
970
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:26.239
they're not really, they're not too interested.
971
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:31.960
But surely it's it's free advertising for them, you.
972
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.239
Would think, so yeah, but you know then Nintendo makes
973
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.320
some strange decisions nowadays.
974
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:40.679
So yeah, you know what they're thinking. They're going Nintendo
975
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.760
are going backwards. They're not really, They've not got a
976
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:48.280
finger on the pulse of what what kids want, what
977
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:52.840
adults want. In their gaming lost it. I think they're
978
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.920
going to see Way as a tarry.
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00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.480
You know, they're dominant fourth and then just now publishing
980
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:01.840
Trap on the iPhone.
981
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:07.960
Yeah sorry, yeah, So what about yourself and Davi Iman?
982
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:09.880
Do you not really do you not do a lot
983
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:11.000
of YouTube botching?
984
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.320
Then well, no, actually I do.
985
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.199
There's there's quite a few guys that I follow on YouTube,
986
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.159
you know, just doing the kind of retro stuff for
987
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:24.239
you or guys. There's one guy called Finn Gamer who's
988
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:28.960
a huge Nintendo fan and he he's actually a master
989
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:33.679
complete collection n sixty four games. He's just a nice,
990
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.199
cool guy just you know, chats away and he's he
991
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.960
does pieces to camera and unboxes stuff that and it's
992
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:41.360
I'm addicted to his kind of unboxing videos.
993
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:46.760
It's possibly the saddest thing.
994
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:52.599
It's like, but so had you been in boxing and
995
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.880
boxing old get old retro machines or new retro a
996
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:56.440
bit a bit.
997
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.960
Of books, as the guy Finn Gamer will will unbot
998
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.239
you know, it's like here's here's a box of stuff
999
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.360
I've got off eb and he literally opened the parcel
1000
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.119
and unbox it and look through all the stuff. So
1001
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.719
you're kind of getting back it's great. But then he
1002
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.519
writes for a magazine.
1003
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.960
In Finland and and he gets a lot.
1004
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:24.239
Of preview copies of stuff, and he buys a lot
1005
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.199
of these collectors. Does you know the sort of three
1006
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:30.440
hundred dollars collector the editions and call of duty that
1007
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.280
comes with a free soldier or something. You know, you
1008
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.239
got all sorts of mad stuff, the night vision, Google
1009
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.800
and that kind of stuff, huge boxes and the unbox,
1010
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.800
all that stuff and showing you all the bits and bobs.
1011
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.000
You know, he tears over them down. It's I don't know,
1012
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:47.079
I'm fascinated by that. It's probably not help much.
1013
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.800
But I do watch a lot of YouTube channels, but
1014
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:51.800
I mean I tend to be quite picky about who
1015
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.719
I watch. Steve Benway, I do watch a lot of
1016
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.679
fine him interesting to listen to, I think a lot.
1017
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.599
I mean, there's a billion people, you know, playing video
1018
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.559
games and doing commentary. But I think one thing you
1019
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.239
kind of touched on you need to be likable. You
1020
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.320
need to like the person you're watching, because there's just
1021
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:10.840
so many of these. I mean there's a couple of
1022
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:13.280
I kind of subscribe to and you're sitting listening to
1023
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.840
them talking you're like, this is boring, you know what
1024
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.719
I mean. But but then George sent a link up
1025
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.639
on our Facebook pieche of their data, which I think
1026
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.239
is really really good. What's his name, Terry Stewart. He's
1027
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:26.800
from New Zealand, and he's basically got these real classic
1028
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.960
computer systems and it's great just to actually be able
1029
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.599
to see them working. I mean, he has things like
1030
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:34.840
it's a the TRR was it the TRS A, And
1031
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.159
he's got the pet comdre pet, he's got the tarries,
1032
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.840
he's got god knows what. And I think that one
1033
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.280
of the biggest things for YouTube is you could think,
1034
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.000
think of any game at all, you know, I don't know,
1035
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.000
Forbidden Forest commerces before I want to watch a speed
1036
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.840
run in that type, and I'll guarantee there'll be somebody
1037
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.159
playing that. So it's almost like video gaming on demand.
1038
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.840
It's just there. So I think you're probably right, that's
1039
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.880
probably taking away a lot of you know, this mainstream TV.
1040
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:05.480
But I mean that YouTube is great because you do
1041
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.519
get all sorts of informational stuff that you wouldn't get
1042
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.119
on a you know, if it was a TV show,
1043
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.440
it would have to have a certain format and you know,
1044
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.440
there'd be all sorts of license and issues and stuff
1045
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.800
that you don't have with YouTube. Well a lot of
1046
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:19.920
the time, I know, Nintendo or clamping down, but you know,
1047
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.920
you don't have to pay anybody to get their products
1048
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:23.119
on your show or anything like that.
1049
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:25.360
And there's a guy.
1050
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:28.840
I don't know his second name, his name is John,
1051
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.559
but he's got a YouTube channel called John's Arcade. He's
1052
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.760
an American guy and he's got a fantastic arcade and
1053
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.840
he's in his basement as most Americans seem to have somehow,
1054
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.280
and he's got you know, like fifty or sixty arcade machines.
1055
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:44.760
But he takes somebody will show you round the arcade
1056
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.519
and they'll see all this one's not working on, will
1057
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.119
take it to the garage and strip it doing and
1058
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.039
find it what's from it and replace. But you know,
1059
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.480
fix up arcade machines. I find all that kind of
1060
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:56.440
stuff fascinating. You know, he's done about it with sold
1061
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.280
on irons and all sorts of things, and it's it's
1062
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:01.760
it's great, you know, I mean, you wouldn't in a
1063
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.440
million years imagine picturing that to the BBC.
1064
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:07.800
Show in my garage.
1065
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:11.280
That shows me stripping a forty year old the Arcade Cantra,
1066
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:12.719
holding it back together.
1067
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.599
Even taking it the extremes. Can you imagine going to
1068
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.880
produce of the BBC. I've got this brilliant idea for
1069
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.599
a game show, for a TV program. Basically, I'm going
1070
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.639
to buy some of argos and I'm going to take
1071
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.840
out his box and go I'm the idea behind it.
1072
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.400
That's that I'm going to unbox it. Noby's going to
1073
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:28.840
buy any of.
1074
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:40.679
That for four hours. But I mean, I draw the
1075
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.360
line that watching folk unboxing lego.
1076
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.280
Unless, of course there's another really to be super popular
1077
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.679
is what he called Stuart Ashens. It was you, George
1078
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:57.239
at first put one of the ashes. I don't know
1079
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:02.159
if you guys being David you know, no, no, well,
1080
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.960
Bellie honestly type in Ashens. He's I mean, he's got
1081
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.480
a book. I don't know, he's mega popular. He's an
1082
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:11.280
English guys. He's kind of he's he's kind of part
1083
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:15.440
actor type thing. But basically the whole premises of his videos,
1084
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.599
he's got his brown sweet and all you can see
1085
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.239
he's got the camera point at the suite and he
1086
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:24.320
sees hands and he's kind of the two things that
1087
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.599
he does is people will send them stuff he reviewed.
1088
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.159
He basically opens up stuff out the poundland, you know,
1089
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:33.599
lego and sweets and that. And then people from abroadle
1090
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.719
send them stuff like poundland and dollar land whatever it is.
1091
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.760
And then and our favorite one that he has is
1092
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.719
people will send them old food like there was some
1093
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.239
day so somebody sending them Hell was it?
1094
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:45.960
It was?
1095
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.199
It was like a fairy and stuff like that, like
1096
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.800
a year old the tin of like beans and he'll
1097
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:53.760
open it up and he'll he'll hull a couple of beans.
1098
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:55.800
He just opens up. He does, he does. He's really mad.
1099
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.280
I suppose technically it's unboxing that he does, but it's
1100
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:01.440
really really mental stuff, you know is but he's the
1101
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.280
guy is so funny. He's just got this really really
1102
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.920
he's entertaining and absolutely brilliant. That's why he's got so
1103
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.239
many subscribers. But Ashen's it's a s h Yeah, have
1104
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.239
a look at him. He's so so so funny. It's
1105
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:15.880
the kind of thing you can actually sit one night
1106
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.119
and just watch video after video because he's so entertaining.
1107
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.880
So and listen, guys, probably the last one of us
1108
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.800
wanted to talk about is a Kickstarter? Have many of
1109
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:30.079
you guys sort of partaking and kickstarted at all? Watch
1110
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:33.519
your watch your thoughts on these kickstarter projects, George, have
1111
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:34.679
you any any thoughts?
1112
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:38.880
And I was tempted for the is it the bedrooms
1113
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:42.239
two billionaires? I know that some of the guys in
1114
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.119
the rental club of invested in that and then they'll
1115
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.400
get copies of the DVD before it comes out and
1116
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:52.880
some pieces, which is great I think. But recently I
1117
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:54.840
don't know if you heard the news about Elite. Is
1118
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:56.039
it Elite?
1119
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:56.559
Yeah?
1120
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:02.039
The guys that have got now own Elite. They're selling
1121
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.480
other they're selling developers games on the iPad and the
1122
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.679
iPhone and things that I am Android and these games
1123
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.440
they were many to be given loyalties too, and they
1124
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.119
have have they been so? I think about nine or
1125
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.199
ten of these software game designers have been getting together
1126
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.719
to try and cloud their money back off.
1127
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.119
From I think whether it was it not going to
1128
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.000
be a lead in fact you I think you first
1129
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:27.800
linked at George, they were supposed to be bringing out
1130
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:31.320
some was it Spectrum keyboard or something which keyboard? Yeah,
1131
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:33.400
And I think because it's it's now come out that
1132
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.000
they have not been paying royalties to any of these people.
1133
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.480
They've been basically using publishing their games, and they're in
1134
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.000
apps and not giving not giving them any money for it.
1135
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.440
So I think everybody's getting now cutting down it. And
1136
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.320
so apparently from like maybe making a twenty pound pledge,
1137
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.559
people is just going like they're only pledging a pound
1138
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:51.320
sort of thing. So I don't know what's happened with that.
1139
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:55.559
I think that that thing's now falling in its face. Yeah,
1140
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.679
the only thing I've taken part in is this bedroom
1141
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.760
I call it bedroom be built, whatever the hell it's called, broomsticks.
1142
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.400
I don't know what it's called. Personally, I'm getting really
1143
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.400
really pissed off of it because I mean, it was
1144
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.679
announced about I don't know, a year and a half ago,
1145
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:12.280
and it was supposed to be coming out and in
1146
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:16.440
j you know, April twenty thirteen. It's delaying, delaying, delaying.
1147
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:17.960
It's still going on and on and on and on
1148
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:20.159
and on. It's like, just buddy, give us it now,
1149
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:20.400
you know.
1150
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.840
It's it's so, what's what's the total alan Acne?
1151
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.519
They made their money, oh Christ, they made their money
1152
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.480
ages ago, but what there's what they're kind of now
1153
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.519
doing they're now starting to get greedy because they're now
1154
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.880
like they're now bringing out like is it Rob Herburb
1155
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:36.480
and is it Ben Doug Leash They're written some bits
1156
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:38.599
of music and they're now saying, oh, for an extra
1157
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:41.400
twenty pounds you can get a special DBD with the
1158
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:45.039
audio CD extra addition type thing. So they're now trying
1159
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:46.960
to milk it for even more money, which was a
1160
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:47.440
bit worrying.
1161
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.519
Do you know they were filming that the Thenerger event
1162
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:56.519
last year down Newcastle? No, they were down there filming
1163
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:02.000
for for that for the DVD for the film right right,
1164
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:03.679
they were interviewing focut it.
1165
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.440
So they're still doing but it's the.
1166
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:11.679
I backed it as well, back to the original kind
1167
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:14.800
of campaign and then they had their extended goals where
1168
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.360
you could pledge another twenty quid to get the sort
1169
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:23.360
of extended addition with six hours, the extra reviews and
1170
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:27.360
all that kind of stuff. So I'm forty five quid invested,
1171
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:27.639
inn't it.
1172
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:30.679
That's a lot of money for.
1173
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.360
A DVD that I've not seen yet. I've seen a
1174
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.400
couple of clips, but there's not been anything. But they're
1175
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:40.519
now also they've appealed to the community for people to
1176
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.360
do like zery spectrum typings and stuff like that and
1177
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.280
screen capture it so that will be in the film,
1178
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:48.280
because they keep on coming up with ideas of stuff
1179
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:49.679
that they want to be in the film. But it's like,
1180
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.400
just make it already, Make a second one, make a sequel,
1181
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:56.840
because like that, like you say, Alan, it was you know,
1182
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.599
it was about two years ago, and I thought that'd
1183
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:00.800
be fantastic. You know, I just King of Kong and
1184
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.239
I thought I want more of this kind of thing.
1185
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:06.840
So I mean, I'm getting a wee.
1186
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:07.239
Bit fed up.
1187
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:08.960
It's a bit long in the tooth, and you know,
1188
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.199
they take quite a while to reply to any emails
1189
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:13.199
and all that kind of stuff.
1190
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:19.559
And is there a forum linked to these kickstart are
1191
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.039
looking on the main website where folks are complaining about it.
1192
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:24.960
On the actual Kickstarter website, you can go into the
1193
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:28.719
you know, the Kickstarter project essentially and that there are
1194
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.920
forums linked to each project. And they also have the
1195
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.840
from Bedrooms to Billions facebook page where people are going
1196
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:41.519
both positive and negative, you know, just about the amount
1197
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.599
of time. And they have apologized a few times about
1198
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:47.480
how long it's taken. But I think even now you know, I'm.
1199
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.800
A very vague on they they're very vague. They're not
1200
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.320
they'll not commit to a date exactly.
1201
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:53.960
It's it's getting a wee bit.
1202
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.480
Long only shine something.
1203
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:58.800
So many times I think, can you get your money
1204
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:02.480
back off these things? If it doesn't it what you
1205
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:05.239
invest is that is sealed sealed.
1206
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.519
I think you could probably fight and try and get
1207
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:08.199
your money back.
1208
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:11.639
But there's a bound to be a clause somewhere that
1209
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.239
you know when you when you when you invest, then
1210
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:15.119
that's that's you.
1211
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:19.440
Yeah, tell me then the stay of what harms if
1212
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:21.360
you know? I don't think it's going to happen in
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01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:22.960
the case of this, because they've obviously got a lot
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01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:25.880
of video. What would happen if they announce sorry, guys,
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01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.679
we're not doing it anymore. Have they got their money?
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01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:30.079
No?
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01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.719
If they cancel the project, I have to pay back
1218
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:35.840
the money, do they I know that much? If if
1219
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.719
a project is not funded, even if it's a five
1220
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:40.519
or shot or something like that, if it's not funded,
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01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.480
then they don't take money out your account.
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01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:44.719
The payment doesn't go through.
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01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.199
Basically, it's only if a project is funded that they
1224
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.199
actually take it out of your account, and the projects
1225
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:53.679
canceled or falls through, then you get your you get
1226
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:54.239
a refund.
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01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.159
At that point they get your money back sort of thing.
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01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.760
I think. I think the one I'm looking forward to
1229
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:05.079
is the The Elite Dangerous kickstarter.
1230
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:07.920
And I don't know how much you put in it,
1231
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:11.480
but he's backed at and I'm pretty sure he's got
1232
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:16.880
his name as one of the commanders. He loves Elite
1233
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:20.159
and he's you know, I'm kind of ashamed to say
1234
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.280
that I've never actually played Elite if I know what
1235
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:25.519
it's about, but I was more kind of run and
1236
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.320
shooting people on the face kind of thing as opposed
1237
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:28.960
to find about being a pirate.
1238
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.079
I mean, it can't work out. I mean it likes
1239
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:36.360
I mean when I first got Minecraft, it was it
1240
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.840
wasn't even better it was alpha, and I think that
1241
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.800
was a kickstarter as well. From if I'm right, you
1242
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.599
think it maybe was a kickstarter for mo Jiang and
1243
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:51.320
it's been really successful now it's on every platform you
1244
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.880
can get, so it can work out good for for
1245
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:54.800
these small companies.
1246
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.800
I mean there's a couple of I've backed a few
1247
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:03.119
things backed from bedrooms to billion I've backed the Wings
1248
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:04.800
Remastered on iPhone.
1249
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.960
You know, the comment the Amiga game Wings.
1250
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:13.440
Oh, is that vertically horizontal shoot them up exactly?
1251
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.239
That was Wings of Fury. I think it was called
1252
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:17.719
it Wings.
1253
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:23.400
It's a sort of World War One by plane first
1254
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:25.880
person flights and shooty Dog fighty thing.
1255
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.039
You could also do bombing missions and stuff like that.
1256
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.039
And then it was it was good fun. And they
1257
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:33.360
announced them, you know.
1258
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:35.360
That they were doing a remastered edition and I think
1259
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.320
it was it was ten bucks or something like that,
1260
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.039
and you got a digital copy of it. But they
1261
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:43.079
were doing as they all seem to do. You know,
1262
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:46.599
if this is fundy, we'll do stretch goals or whatever
1263
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:50.079
it is they call it. And and the promise was
1264
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.159
that if they hit their stretch goals, which I've now
1265
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.119
moved about twelve times, but if they hit their that
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01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:58.559
they would publish a box, a Mega version of it.
1267
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.199
And I'm like, that would be sweet. Imagine our new
1268
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.679
brand new box to meg again, that would be fantastic.
1269
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.400
As such, the goals have moved that many times that
1270
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.800
they're now doing orchestral soundtracks and like that. You get
1271
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:14.880
the sound USB stick and a T shirt and you know,
1272
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.199
box of sweeties or the door. But it's it's getting
1273
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:20.199
a bit long in the tooth and like that. It's
1274
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:22.679
you know, I've not seen anything for it, and that's
1275
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.400
that was about six months ago and a couple of updates.
1276
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.920
So they've just announced kickstarting for Flappy Birds.
1277
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:34.960
Do you want to bring it back?
1278
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.599
But I think it's coming back to anyway.
1279
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:40.880
Yeah, lots of money not to bring that out.
1280
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.000
So what you're saying, the Dave, if you don't actually
1281
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:48.559
make the thing, you got to give you the money back.
1282
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:50.639
Yes, I have the project.
1283
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:54.119
Like I was going to come up a thing called
1284
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:56.599
the Comstom. It's actually it's a common or six the
1285
01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:58.079
four spectrum, and I was going to ask you guys
1286
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:02.599
for twenty quie I could catch on.
1287
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:05.559
How much you want?
1288
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:07.880
What we got met?
1289
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.719
But it comes you're probably still likey hockey.
1290
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:17.559
But it was not. It was an one when we
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01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:22.000
first started the Edinburgh Retro PC club. Remember there was
1292
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:24.719
a there was I think it was a kickstarter. It
1293
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.639
was to open this big, massive, massive arcade in Edinburgh
1294
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:31.400
and you have to pay like twenty pounds a month
1295
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:33.920
and was nonsense. It was absolute nonsense. I mean they
1296
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.320
were like for a thousand pounds you were getting invited
1297
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.440
along in the opening night and you know you could
1298
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:40.639
bring your pals along, you still had to actually pay money.
1299
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:41.320
I was.
1300
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.519
I was glad to see I think I think the
1301
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.239
target was something like sixty thousand pounds and I think
1302
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:50.559
it only got about five hundred pounds or something, you wonder.
1303
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:52.800
I was really excited about that because I met those
1304
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:56.679
guys when I was standing in the queue for replaying Manchester?
1305
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:57.519
Did you really yea?
1306
01:05:58.159 --> 01:05:59.920
And they were handing it the flyers and I'm like, oh,
1307
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:02.199
you know new Arcade and I thought this will be
1308
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:03.880
in London or something, and I went I went up
1309
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:05.760
to grab the guy and says, no, it's in Edinburgh.
1310
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:07.960
I'm like, all right, okay, You've got my interest.
1311
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:11.840
And you know, it sounded really promising. Then I followed
1312
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:13.320
them and I was all excited and all that kind
1313
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:16.000
of stuff. And then I noticed that the guys were
1314
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.360
they were posting up comments and stuff saying what do
1315
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:18.880
you think of this?
1316
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:21.440
And it was a link to eb for you know,
1317
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:24.719
they were buying their machines off at eBay. What are
1318
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.800
you doing a business model.
1319
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.320
Where you're buying your machines off at eb And they
1320
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:32.480
were going to get a prime location in Edinburgh.
1321
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:38.719
Working open arcade in Princess Street. What what are you thinking?
1322
01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:41.480
You know, rents are lost.
1323
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.400
And all that kind of stuff completely missed the point
1324
01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:51.639
of what anything's about, you know. I mean, you know,
1325
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.760
you just wouldn't buy if you were opening a business,
1326
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:55.559
you wouldn't buy your machine for eb and you know
1327
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:56.280
you want.
1328
01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.280
To clove dot com or jama plus or something like.
1329
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.440
I wanted the four and get the guys involved, But
1330
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.280
you know, it's just that kind of I was so
1331
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.159
disappointed because I thought it would be great to have
1332
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.760
because there's a few arcades down in England, you know,
1333
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:12.440
in various places, and it would just be great to
1334
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:13.159
have one up here.
1335
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:14.920
But it's it's just not going to happen.
1336
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:17.119
You know, answer the guys and I can have a
1337
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:18.199
short of your rolling thunder me.
1338
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:19.000
Oh I didn't.
1339
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:22.679
There wasn't a power back including me. You can't still
1340
01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:23.719
looking for one and gum toy.
1341
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:30.000
This means upside doing and it's you know, some rubbish
1342
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:30.159
in it.
1343
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.400
But I don't know some of these, some of these
1344
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:35.280
Kickstarter things, I don't. I mean I kind of know
1345
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:37.760
that I know the basis of it allows people who
1346
01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.400
don't have any money to sort of you know, if
1347
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:42.760
there's enough in dressed get together the funds to make
1348
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:45.639
something actually happen. But what kind of surprises me is
1349
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:49.159
there's people who, you know, thro all intensive puppies are
1350
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.199
quite well off, like Peter Molu. He brought out one recently.
1351
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.480
Then there was what do you call him? They made
1352
01:07:56.559 --> 01:08:00.920
Dizzy the brother money to bring it, and you Dizza,
1353
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.519
you know, you knowing your own bank and lift money.
1354
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:07.199
You know, no one ever stopped to think does anybody
1355
01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:11.920
actually want a new Disney game? Because the Disney games,
1356
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.679
I mean, let's be honest here, weren't that good, were they?
1357
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.680
Oh you're just need half of roady.
1358
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:21.199
I was a fan.
1359
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.239
I loved some of the early Code Master stuff, but
1360
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.079
I wasn't really a kind of adventuring Like I said,
1361
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:27.640
I'm gonn run boot streaking people in the face.
1362
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:32.359
So you know, an adventuring egg wasn't really my day
1363
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:33.039
back in the day.
1364
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:35.920
But this is just run about dying kind of game,
1365
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:38.960
isn't it, Because you just anything touch you just die
1366
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.560
instantly and you can't get past the kind of first
1367
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.319
couple of screens and you just switch off.
1368
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:52.239
But yeah, anyway, guys, listen, I think we'll probably need
1369
01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:54.640
to rop myself. I think we've been waffling on long enough.
1370
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.760
I hope everybody's enjoyed listening to this podcast number four.
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01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:02.159
We'll be back and the usual time in two weeks time.
1372
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.439
And I think a club night, George, what day is it?
1373
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:05.239
Is it the twelfth?
1374
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:11.239
Ian Ian spooked it for the sixteenth? Is that right? Now?
1375
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:13.239
That's right, it was the sixteenth sixty.
1376
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.479
Yeah, what do you do, guys is just check our
1377
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.840
Facebook page and we'll have the we'll have I think
1378
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:19.960
I think the actual club night's been announced already, but
1379
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.399
we'll maybe put another another fall up to that anyway.
1380
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:25.800
And I says, it's half past seven, totally half past
1381
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.279
ten at Gorgie Parish Church which is next to half
1382
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:33.520
Midlodian Football Ground. Everybody's welcome. The first night is free,
1383
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.119
so come along and see what all the fuss is about.
1384
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:39.640
And thanks for listening guys, and then I'll speak to
1385
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.479
you guys soon. Okay, guys, see yeah bye