Anomalous Fire Investigations with Shane Buell (MYT 010)

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A blue Ford escort that was surrounded by pretty much complete devastation and right next to cars that were completely burned out.
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However, uh there is one particular video which I took a screenshot of where the hazard lights were still blinking on the car.
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So it indicated that not only was the electrical system of the car still functioning, but it could probably have been started and driven away as well.
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So the fact that it was that it survived so well in that environment kind of indicates to me that the blue definitely had something to do with it.
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Welcome back to the Made You Think Show, episode 10, Anomalous Fires with Shane Buell.
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So I didn't come to the topic of anomalous fires through theory.
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I came here through evidence what didn't behave the way it was supposed to.
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See, years ago I discovered the work of Dr.
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Judy Wood, especially her documentation of 9-11.
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That's 9-11, 2001.
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All these weird anomalous melted vehicles many, many blocks away from ground zero of the main destruction.
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Instances of unburnt paper near actual fires that were going on, that's on video, selective destruction, and temperatures that didn't line up with conventional fire behavior.
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So that opened a door that I never really closed.
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And then came Paradise, California.
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Same patterns, similar melted cars, same inconsistencies.
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Around that time I started seeing raw, uncensored footage on YouTube, including breakdowns from Jake the Asshole.
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That's an interesting YouTube channel.
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Laying out the anomalies that no official report seemed to want to touch.
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Then Maui happened.
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Now that's hitting a lot closer to home because here I am on the big island of Hawaii, one island away.
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Like I've drive sometimes to go to my staycations on the other side, and on my way driving, I see part of Maui.
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Suddenly, this is not a fringe topic.
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Independent media flooded tech talk.
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Locals filmed in real time.
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Forensic arborists started weighing in, explaining that vegetation, brush fires, and even structural fires do not reach temperatures high enough to melt aluminum, steel components, automobile glass.
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That takes a very high temperature.
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I believe it's like 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, and engine blocks not happening the way we were seeing it happen.
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And that's when all the threads connected.
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So this is why I reconnected with my friend Shane Buell, someone I've known from our time, co-hosting the Freedom Fiends Radio and Podcast.
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Shane is now one of the authors of Sound the Alarm.
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Gonna hold up the book here.
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Just got the book and didn't have, unfortunately, the time to read it ahead of time.
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But Shane is here to walk through what he's found, what doesn't add up, why these fires deserve serious scrutiny.
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So Shane Buell first learned of the Maui fire from a childhood friend whose family, the Kamakas, are from Lahaina.
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Shane had a lifelong interest in physics and chemistry, and first suspected the use of directed energy in 2018 after seeing the aftermath of the Paradise California fire.
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So after seeing the unusual damage, roadblocks, and the resulting land grab over on Maui, it lit a fire in him to carry a torch of truth and try to stop it.
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On Maui and elsewhere.
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Shane, welcome to the Major Thing Show Worms! How's your day over there?
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Worms! Good, thank you.
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Uh this is the Freedom Fiends, broadcasting live from Pod Bay 2A, a mile above sea level at Intergalactic Prairie Studios.
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Can you feel it, Daryl?
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I can feel it, Shane.
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And that is what it sounded like when we were doing the Freedom Fiends radio show and podcast uh over what was the what what was the link up?
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Because right now we're using Riverside, but back then we were using uh Fiendphone.
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Uh Michael Fiend had actually created his own program, which to this day I haven't seen a streaming service that actually sounds as good as Fiendphone did.
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I agree.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And uh I gave my side of it like how I, you know, like from 9-11 and finding Dr.
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Judy Wood's work, stepping into it, then the Paradise Fires, and then really hitting close to home.
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By the time Lahaina was anomalously on fire, there was TikTok.
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Whereas for the the the Paradise Fire, I don't remember being like seeing like TikTok style uh videography, you know, like actual like independent investigative journalism and reporting going on like that way, but it sure was, you know, regarding what I mentioned, Jake the Asshole on YouTube.
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So from your time co-hosting Freedom Fiends, what originally pulled you into investigating anomalous fires, you know, rather than say conventional political or economic corruption?
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Right.
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Well, I still have an interest in investigating conventional political and economic corruption.
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But um, I guess a little background was uh I was raised as a Star Trek fan, and so I guess I was always interested in the possibility of directed energy as a kid.
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And uh I did go to space camp.
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Uh there was no directed energy involvement there, unfortunately.
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I wish I would have gotten some training on that.
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But uh I did follow directed energy in the 1980s during the Star Wars initiative, the SDI.
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I know in 1987 they had tried to downplay it and said that it wasn't ready for you know battlefield use.
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And so they basically went underground, they pretty much stopped funding it publicly, but then around 2016, I believe, they uh accelerated the funding for directed energy and directed energy weapons.
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And I didn't actually catch back onto it again until about late 2018, early 2019, when photos of the paradise fire started to circulate.
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And so when I saw some of those, what I would call anomalies, because it doesn't look like natural fire behavior, the melted glass and the aluminum, um, were things that kind of stuck out to me.
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Now, aluminum can melt at 1221 degrees, and some woods can burn up to 1472.
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However, you know, you would have to have like a pile, a wood pile of like the right kind of pine underneath the aluminum rim in order to actually reach that temperature.
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And a lot of times we see aluminum rims that are melting in empty parking lots and so forth with little to no fuel around the rim.
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And then, like you said, autoglass takes about 2,500 degrees, and porcelain, which is sometimes also missing in these fires, takes about 3,000 plus.
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So, yeah, that's what tipped me off at the beginning of the paradise fire.
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But it didn't really motivate me to take like a super deep dive and make it like part of my life's work to actually expose this until the Maui fire happened.
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And when I saw the images of Lahaina, it looked like there were so many anomalous fire behavior, you know, damage indicators that to me just seemed like they could not be produced by natural fire.
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And so I started looking into it, and there was a lot of anomalies that seemed to indicate something other than normal fire behavior.
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Now, I'm not going to say that I know specifically, you know, which platform or what type of energy it is, but we can actually examine the evidence and try to eliminate some of the possibilities based on what we know about directed energy.
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It sounds like you already covered what doesn't what what did not sit right regarding the fires in Lahaina or Paradise, or I would mention even the recent LA fires, which are interesting.
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And I yeah, I'm on a pivot over to there to LA.
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Did you look into the LI fire LA fires, the Los Angeles fires?
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Uh very heavily, yes, I did.
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It's about what didn't sit right regarding the Los Angeles fires of 2025.
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Uh I believe that was early 2025.
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I think it was the first week of uh January 2025.
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Almost one year ago.
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A little over a year now, yeah, about 13 months now.
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Yeah.
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And what didn't sit right there?
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Well, what didn't sit right there for me was so I had been already reporting on fires.
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Uh so after the Maui fire, I started working with Tracy Derwin of the Brush Junkie Channel to report on mostly the Lahaina fire, but then we started seeing other fires.
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So, like in early 2024, there was the Chile fires, and then there was the Texas Smokehouse Creek fire, which was over a million acres, and we had seen anomalies in those, and so we were already keeping our eyes out.
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And when the LA fire happened, it definitely sparked our interest and we started looking into it right away.
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And we saw a lot of fire behavior anomalies, damage indicators that don't indicate natural fire.
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By that point, we were already on to the whole 15-minute smart city land grab, you know, plot that has been implicated in some of these fires.
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And so I right away dug up, and a lot of by the time LA happened, other people were already aware of this too.
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And so they found the plans for Smart LA 2028, and we looked at the the rezoning of the Palisades, which was uh traditionally, you know, single family residential area, low density, and they were trying to rezone it to mixed-use commercial, high density.
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That's one of the things that I noticed, you know, right away was the plans for a 15-minute city, not just for Palisades, but uh Altadena as well.
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And so then we looked at the fire damage anomalies, and I think I did send you a lot of images.
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We saw a lot of the usual metal melting, the autoglass melting out, but then there were some anomalies that popped up in the LA fires that we didn't necessarily see in a lot of other cases.
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So a lot of those would be like the steel I beams, sometimes a quarter to a half inch or thicker, that were actually melting or drooping, and in some cases actually twisting.
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And I have seen the twisting beams before, but it was a lot more prevalent in the LA fires.
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I think there are actually problems when we try to discuss this with people that I've experienced when I try to discuss this with anyone.
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I'm curious on your side of that.
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Are are there common assumptions that people often bring to these types of fire discussions that block clear analysis?
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Um, yeah, I would say a lot of people are on to the whole climate change narrative.
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And so, you know, a lot of people tend to think, oh, well, this is climate change.
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This is because we're altering our environment with CO2 and we're warming the planet and it's increasing the likelihood of wildfires.
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It's debatable how much CO2 actually affects global temperature, or that the global temperature is responsible for these low relative humidities and high winds that sort of coincide with these anomalous fire behaviors.
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So I think the climate change narrative is probably one of the biggest hurdles to get over, at least when it comes to people who are more left-leaning.
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Now, when it comes to right-leaning people, they are a little bit more open-minded when it comes to what you might call a conspiracy theory.
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But I don't like to actually use that word because it is kind of one of those things that can halt discernment.
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Like, and it also it's kind of used like an ad hominem to attack the person instead of the argument, and it shuts down inquiry.
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So I would say climate change is probably one of the big ones there.
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But um, another thing, there's also false dichotomies between the sources of ignition, which are not mutually exclusive, like arson versus down power lines versus directed energies.
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And some people have it in their mind that all lasers are in the visible spectrum, and that's not actually true.
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There are a large number of infrared lasers which are outside of the visible spectrum, and that would probably be the most likely spectrum to use if you're like a military organization that wants plausible deniability.
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You would want to use something that's outside of the visible spectrum.
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But to backtrack a little bit for the LA anomalies, there was some video that was captured by one of the Malibu residents named Alec Gellis, and he was actually in the Malibu Franklin fire just the fall before the LA fire, and he actually had to defend his house with uh with a hose, and he was filming uh that there was like the palm trees in his backyard.
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There is a video that was taken by Alec Gellis as he's watering down this palm tree.
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You can see at the top of the palm tree, right where the fronds come out, there's like an ignition point in this tree where it just kind of sparks up and starts on fire.
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And you can see that there's no actual embers that made contact, and there's actually almost very little, almost no wind at the time as well.
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And so that actually happened the fall before LA.
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And he actually did save his home in the Malibu Franklin fire, but then when the Palisades fire came, he actually lost that home.
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So um, yeah, that was just one other thing I wanted to point out as well.
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Here's what I see is that often when I'm having a discussion about this type of topic, there seems to be completely close to zero percent openness to anything other than the official story of it's embers and it was all the grasses and burning material, and that was enough to burn everything, and it was all just completely normal and explainable fire, and also the idea that all fires are normal and explainable, like especially like all fires that are here and close to home, at least, these ones that we're discussing, like LA, Maui, going back to paradise, and everything we've just mentioned so far, even 9-11.
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That the problem is evidence doesn't show that, and again, I am talking to Shane Buell, author of Sound the Alarm, the Maui Disaster that Sparked a Global Awakening, this book here, and this is something that you actually took time to look at in depth and calmly.
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And whenever I'm talking with someone about a topic, I try to keep track to see where are they at regarding are they curious about this topic in the first place?
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And if they are afraid, that often shuts down curiosity.
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Are they flexible?
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It means can they entertain different ideas like flexible like yoga with the body, flexible with your mind, with someone's mind?
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Do they have humility?
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That doesn't mean humiliation.
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Do they have the humility to acknowledge I have been wrong in the past?
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I could be wrong with my conclusions right now.
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Can they say I could be wrong right now?
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Can they say I'm probably gonna be wrong in the future?
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Or is the humility muscle kind of like pew, you know, not so really strong?
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Do they have courage to go into this topic?
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Some people, I can see like that they got that kind of deer in the headlights thing going on where they're just not having any courage to go there.
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And when those things are happening, when there's no curiosity, there's no flexibility, there's no real acknowledgement of humility, and there's really like a lot of fear and no courage to go forward, I got no real actual reason to continue talking with them.
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Because I'm talking with someone who's got issues and they don't want to say that they have issues.
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I have issues, but I can say that I do.
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That's the difference, you know?
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Yeah.
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And I wouldn't necessarily say it's always a humility thing.
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Um, I think whenever, you know, in communications, when we're delivering a message that's um too discrepant from the current beliefs of the target audience, then you're gonna run into that cognitive dissonance, which is a psychological thing that happens to most human beings when they, you know, hold a belief very strongly.
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And so I think one way to kind of try to get around that is to try to walk people in baby steps from a position that's a little bit closer to where they're at, and then take you know incremental smaller steps towards where you're trying to take them.
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So, yeah, a lot of times, you know, you will run into that cognitive dissonance if you present a message that's just a little too discrepant from their current beliefs.
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And I that's natural for all humans, and I wouldn't say it's necessarily a humility thing, it's just a psychological thing.
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It is a big psychological thing.
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And I think certainty, as I've mentioned in a bunch of my shows before, is kind of like a big replacement for strong religious points of view.
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People are just they would they would prefer to have a strong certainty on a topic on saying the Maui fire was 100% natural, the winds were just crazy, they just came through, the electrical fire over there in this whatever electrical substations or whatever was enough to burn the grass, the grass and the fire was enough embers to cause all those houses to burn in those weird anomalous ways.
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And rather than actually look at videography and looking at still images, the whole thing is so upsetting that I see some people avoid actually looking at images and avoid really the whole topic altogether.
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Do you notice that?
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Uh, I do, actually.
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And even myself, you know, when I encounter cognitive dissonance, it's very uncomfortable.
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And, you know, I can see the average person, when met with that, would probably go with what they know and stick with what's comfortable.
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This is another part here.
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Um, evidence over vibes.
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Okay.
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Across the whole Lahaina, Paradise, and LA fires, the damage patterns that most strongly suggest something beyond standard wildfire behavior, the things that that would be most strong, like say, this is out of the ordinary.
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You know, a lot of people will point to say, oh wow, check check out these blue cars and check out these blue umbrellas and things like that.
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There's a lot more to that.
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There is a lot more than that.
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And besides just the you know, the melting metals and glass and things like that, um, we have noticed one thing that I think is a sure sign of unnatural fire behavior is the proximity to metals.
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So a lot of times we'll see flammable materials that only catch fire in proximity in very close proximity to metallic objects.
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I think I did send you a picture of uh Jesse Wald's fence.
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So there's a guy who lived in Kahoma Village in Lahaina, and uh he was uh another real estate uh guy, and he actually did take some video and pictures of his property, and you can see that there is uh a picture of his fence, and he's got some, you know, um some plants and everything that are around, and the plants are only dried out and they're not burned, but the fence had only burned where the nails are, and we've seen that several times in all the fires, um, like in California.
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Uh forensic arborist Robert Brahm, he's made over a hundred visits to like 50 plus fires in California.
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And one of the things he often sees is that things are only burning in proximity to the metals.
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So, like when you look at fence posts that are only burning where the nails are or where the barbed wire is, and you see uh wooden posts for the guardrails are only burning where the bolts are inserted.
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You know, you see a lot of you know effects like that that doesn't look natural.
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And to me, um, that could be a sign of electromagnetic induction, whereby uh electromagnetic you know, frequencies such as microwaves, when they interact with metals, will cause, they will induce eddy currents that cause resistive or jewel heating, which will radiate and you know it could ignite the adjacent objects, but radiative heating actually obeys the inverse square law and it drops off rather dramatically with distance.
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So I do think that that could be a very likely possibility of what we're seeing when it comes to the proximity to the metals.
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I'm not necessarily saying it that it is microwaves because there are other possibilities.
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So when it comes to directed energy, I would say that some of the effects that we're seeing could be attributed to microwaves.
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Some can be attributed perhaps to plasma, and some actually could be contributed to the Hutchison effect, which is something that I've only recently started like applying to the evidence.
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But we can get into the differences between those if you like.
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Yeah, I think that would be good.
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I I wrote down plasma because I'm unfamiliar with plasma potential weaponry, but I am familiar with looking at the Hutchinson effect because that's a huge basis of I would say what it best explains the 9 11 2001 anomalies.
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You know, that's I would agree with you when it comes to.
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To 911, um, I would say that that's too big of a job for just lasers or microwaves.
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Now I'm not sure about collimated plasma, but when it comes to the dustification that we see of the large steel beams, and I think I did send you a link uh to uh one of Judy Wood's presentations where she actually shows one of those steel beams in free fall, not colliding with any other objects, but during the free fall, you can see it go from solid to like dust.
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And so to me, the only likely candidate that I know of to produce that type of effect would probably be the Hutcheson effect.
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That's what I was thinking too.
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And for those who are watching and listening, this is gonna be a very visual show.
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So, like Spotify and like iTunes listening, you know, you're gonna you're gonna want to be like maybe get curious and go back to watch some of this stuff.
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Like watch what uh say John Hutchinson does in his laboratory and to get various types of metals to start smoking and then like literally be shrinking and becoming like so, in other words, the pieces of the metal start to become smoke.
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That's in a laboratory, it's a laboratory effect under video.
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You can question whether it was valid or not, and then actually very valid, watch various different angles of say the radio antenna and other pieces of the World Trade Center Towers one and two structure falling, but the video slowed down, really slow it down, slow it down, and watch it like uh getting tired of being a solid object anymore and sort of trailing into dust until it becomes literally not seeable anymore.
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.960
And again, there's there's that whole thing 9-11 and such, that's a fascinating anomaly.
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But here's a different question.
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This is what people always bring up.
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They bring up the wind, topography, and the fuel loads.
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.519
I mean, how can any of that explain what burned?
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And then where does that explanation fail regarding what fuel loads were available?
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.319
I'm figuring that this is in the book that I didn't read yet.
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.799
Like uh, but you know, what was available and where does that explanation fail?
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:31.039
Okay, so yes, um, it actually does somewhat accurately describe so you know, every firefighter is going to tell you that, you know, topography, fuel load, wind speed, and direction, as well as relative humidity will all affect fire behavior.
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:42.079
And so we do see evidence of you know wind-driven combustive flames, but where I guess we get into problems is you know the various different types of ignition sources.
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:55.359
So um on Maui, uh when it comes to Lahaina, we have found evidence that there were power lines that fell down and caught grass on fire, and then that grass actually was that grass fire was spread by the wind.
00:24:55.519 --> 00:25:05.440
But then also on the south end of Lahaina near Puamana, uh right at the edge of the highway, there was a couple of spots that looked like they were arson points.
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And this was found by the Maui community investigation, mostly uh Paul Delorier and Bruce Douglas, who were on scene and they found what appeared to be arson points right at the side of the highway.
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:26.160
But then there is also other types of ignitions that don't seem to have an explanation, with like say cars in the middle of a parking lot with no fuel load around them.
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:35.680
Uh it's very unlikely that an ember would infiltrate a car well enough to actually completely burn all of the flammable materials in the car.
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:40.720
And then um, you also did mention the blue items as well.
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:46.880
And uh that actually is not a uh blue herring, as some people like to say.
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:50.960
There are certain interactions that could be explained by lasers.
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:55.200
And one example that I like to give is the tattoo removal clinics.
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If you were to go to a tattoo removal clinic to remove a color tattoo, they often start with a 1064 nanometer infrared laser, which is invisible, and that removes almost all of the colors except for blue, green, and red.
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Now, I've been keeping an eye out ever since you know Lahaina, and then when Chile happened, just a few months after Lahaina in early 2024, I saw those same colors again that were surviving in conditions that they probably should not have.
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:39.759
And so I kept dinging a little bit more and I found out that yes, you know, that particular wavelength of laser in the I guess near infrared spectrum is actually not very good at removing blue, green, and red.
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And so it when you when they at the tattoo removal clinic, when they remove the main body of colors, those are the ones that remain behind.
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And then in order to remove red, they have to switch to a 532 nanometer green laser, which actually is in the visible spectrum and would perhaps give you know give up the plausible deniability of you know being actually used if it was used as a weapon.
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.400
Uh so in blue and green, actually.
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.000
So blue is the least interactive color with light.
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And comic book artists and animators they often use a certain type of blue pencil called non-photo blue, and that is the the color that actually is less likely to show up on their graphic arts cameras because it is the least interactive color with light.
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:36.960
And so, and many shades of green are made with blue, and I do think that's one of the reasons we often see blue, green, and red surviving these fires.
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:44.400
Now, there is that miracle home that's on the south end of Lahaina that actually did survive and it had a red roof.
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:51.119
So, you know, blue isn't necessarily the only color that is going to survive, you know, an infrared laser.
00:27:51.440 --> 00:28:01.519
Now, I do believe that you know there was probably, and the people that live on Maui also believe that there was more than one type of platform of directed energy that was used.
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:12.640
And so I have spoken with the Maui community investigation about what they think, and they they think that you know there was plasma, that there was microwaves, and I also do think that there was lasers involved.
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:22.799
And one thing I would point to is a 2002 patent titled microwave transmission using a laser-generated plasma beam waveguide.
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:40.160
And that sounds kind of complex, but what they do is they use a pulse laser, which its only purpose is to ionize the air particles through which it travels, which creates it's called plasma, but uh any sort of charged particle, whether it be a positive charge or a negative charge, is technically like a plasma.
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And so it creates this temporary plasma conduit within the atmosphere.
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And I do believe this would have to be an atmospheric base platform if that's the one that was used, because it does require air particles to actually create the charged plasma conduit that would then contain the microwaves.
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:08.720
So there is a patent that actually shows like a ring of lasers uh arranged into a ring formation that creates a tube, and then they pump microwaves through that tube.
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It really initially was proposed for power transmission or long-range communications, but it does also say that it could be used as a weapon.
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And I do think a lot of the signatures that we see, especially with the color coding of the objects that survive when they probably shouldn't, it does look like there is some sort of optical waveguide being used or laser to actually channel the microwaves into a smaller area.
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:40.240
Because microwave radiation typically spreads out in like a conical or divergent beam.
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But if you're able to trap a microwave within a tubular laser beam, then you can actually direct it much farther with less signal loss.
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.720
You can have much better targeting with less collateral damage.
00:29:52.880 --> 00:30:03.759
However, I think that one of the things that we do see that kind of points toward microwaves also being used, like I said, is the induction effects.
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Um, where we see the proximity effect of things burning near metals.
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Um, I do think that is a sign of microwaves being trans uh microwaves being transduced into electrical current through the metals.
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:28.079
So the signs when I see like you know the blue items and the proximity to the metals, it kind of points me in the direction of a laser-guided microwave in some cases.
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:35.119
Now there are other cases that could be collimated plasma, and there are other uh examples that could also be the Hutcheson effect.
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And so I don't think it's just one size fits all.
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I think that there is probably a smorgasbord from which they had to choose, and Maui may have been a test bed where they tried all of the above.
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:58.319
If you were going to insert into the show photographic or video evidence that you consider is the most difficult for authorities to just explain away, what would it be that you'd put in right here, right now?
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I guess just off the top of my head, I would point to the blue car that was at the intersection of Front Street, and right there in front of Tommy Bahamas, right in front of those blue umbrellas, was also a blue Ford escort that was surrounded by pretty much complete devastation and right next to cars that were completely burned out.
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:26.319
However, uh there is one particular video which I took a screenshot of where the hazard lights were still blinking on the car.
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.759
So it indicated that not only was the electrical system of the car still functioning, but it could probably have been started and driven away as well.
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:43.759
So the fact that it was that survived so well in that environment kind of indicates to me that the the blue definitely had something to do with it.
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.240
Pretty compelling evidence to most people.
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All you have to do is like look at it in the same way as the way we looked at the 9-11 videography.
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Take a moment, slow the videos down frame by frame, make it slower, zoom in and take a look.
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:07.359
I mean, that's like a big chunk of it, but did you know that there were fires on the big island at that same time as Maui?
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Were you aware of that?
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.640
I did, I I was aware of that, yeah.
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.119
And it was other fires on Maui as well.
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.319
And there were other places where it was on fire as well.
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:36.720
But I you know, since it's on island, I actually visited it way after the fact, after they'd already chainsawed uh and removed a bunch of those charred trees, but their stumps are there right there near Spencer Beach Park, and you know, like on on the way to a place called Mao Mai Beach over there.
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And uh Maomai is one of my favorite beaches on the island here.
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:55.200
And this is one of those weird anomalous things where you know you look around, it's rocks and dust, and you know, there's a few trees on the edge of the water, that's what was burnt basically.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.319
But there's just really not much to burn, basically.
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:24.559
You know, we're talking a real the close to the fields of uh lava, the the lava fields close to where there's just nothingness, and I'm you know remembering my time over in Maui where it's also there's maybe a few strands of grass here and there, and a key a few lone trees here and there, the ones that can handle uh the desert conditions of that side of the island.
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:32.640
For people who are not familiar, when you're on the west side of these islands, the side away from all the moisture, it's a desert.
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There's just nothing there.
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It's all very, very dry.
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.119
Now, you could be saying, Oh, but that makes everything easier to burn.
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.240
Yes.
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.440
But then we're going into all these anomalies.
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.279
We just said, what's the temperature needed to incinerate a toilet?
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:51.359
Oh, about 3,000 for porcelain.
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:52.880
And 3,000 degrees.
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:53.200
Okay.
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:53.759
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's a lot of degrees.
00:33:56.079 --> 00:34:07.599
And and how much grasses, just grass, and plus add maybe a few trees involved, would need needed to be, you know, to create that type of 3,000 degree incineration.
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:11.039
Plus also the 2,500 degrees for autoglass?
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.039
Like what's the autoglass starts to melt at 2,500.
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.440
Um, however, grasses only burn at a few hundred, I would say maybe 600 max.
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:28.559
You might be able to get some grasses to burn up to about 900, but uh you're not going to really get close enough to actually melt aluminum with just grass fire.
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:44.239
And uh one thing that you did mention, so on the uh leeward side of Big Island, you were talking about these trees that are near the water, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of a fuel load in close proximity to them that would expose them to combustive flames.
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Um, so it does seem weird that those trees would actually have ignited.
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:57.039
And I often do, and Robert, uh the forensic arborist, has also noticed that most of the trees that burn are also in close proximity to water.
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:03.039
And I don't know if you actually got a good look at the trees, but a lot of trees are burning from the inside out.
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:08.800
Actually, they do appear to be combusting and on the inside first and then burning to the outside.
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:17.840
And to me, that might also be another sign of perhaps microwaves, because the highest water-containing trees are usually the ones that burn first.
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:34.079
And water is a polar molecule, and in the presence of an electromagnetic field like microwaves, um, water molecules will oscillate about you know two and a half billion times per second, which creates a lot of frictional heating that can also cause ignition.
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:40.400
And so I don't know if you got a good look at those trees, but a lot of them may have been burned from the inside.
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:46.800
Unfortunately, I didn't because, like I said, by the time I got there, they already chainsawed them up and removed them.
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.079
So I have a bunch of charred stumps there, really.
00:35:50.320 --> 00:36:00.079
Um a stump is a a stump would still provide good evidence if you could actually get close enough to the stump to see if the inside of it is hollow, but while the outside is is still intact.
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:01.280
Okay next time.
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:07.519
And for sure, I'm gonna aim to get over to Maui to see what can be seen.
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:13.039
What I think we we've seen so far is we have a lot of anomalies that are not explained by normal fire.
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:27.920
And I think you kind of have to be purposefully against rational discussion and investigative that this is this basically this is a forensic crime scene we're talking about.
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:35.920
And a lot of it is now caught on video and caught in still pictures and images that are not going away, that are widely shared, that are gonna be shared on this show.
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:44.960
That is this is a crime scene, and we're capturing like kind of more of the as it starts, the what happened.
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What happened is these certain things burned.
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We have I believe we have houses that were incinerated all the way from like the roof all the way down to the foundation, you know, like that's the concrete part, and that's a lot of incineration that is not your normal kind of brush fire, uh you know, as well as not a single toilet left.
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:13.519
Then you have but then you have the anomalies, right, Shane, of like people you know, incinerated in cars.
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.519
You do you you have any images of that?
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.840
All right, that's I do actually.
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.519
I can send you that as well.
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I know YouTube is a little bit strict about showing that kind of stuff.
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We have it available.
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That's what this is for.
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:37.039
You know, it's going up on the Rumble, the BitChute, the Odyssey, the Brighton, Archive.org, and Substack where this we are not censored there, you know.
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.320
Uh so yeah, I I want to include that right here.
00:37:40.719 --> 00:38:06.000
Uh yeah, so I guess one of the most viral videos that you might have seen would be the video that was taken on Front Street, where there was, I believe it's a perhaps an African-American woman who's laying face down uh on the pavement, and she's charred black almost completely on the outside, and uh some of her calf muscles are missing, like is burned to the bone.
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.639
But uh the hair is actually still intact.
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:19.039
So she's actually got cornrows that are still intact, and you would expect the hair to actually burn first before the other, you know, the other bodily materials.
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:31.840
So uh to me it almost looks kind of backwards, you know, because you know, hair and uh even on trees, you know, palm trees, you would expect the leaves to go first, but a lot of those just end up drying and withering out, but actually not combusting.
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.519
When it comes to bodies, there are also um animals that have been found.
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.960
Um you may have seen uh the frog that was basically um hollowed out.
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:49.440
It was just like the solid skin of a frog, and it was like hollow on the inside, and it was like, you know, pretty much solidified.
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:58.159
There was even a cat that was found in mid-stride, still standing while it was taking a step, as if it had just like frozen there that way.
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:10.000
And it was burned in a similar way to the frog and to the woman, but it's really strange that you know it's just it looks like it was frozen mid-step with its tail up and everything as it was walking.
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.280
Um, to me, you know, things like that are very strange.
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:18.639
And uh we do have uh I will send you that video of the the body on Front Street.
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:25.760
And there are also, if I can find it, I will try to send you another video of human bodies that were seen in Lahaina.
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.800
Some of them the burn patterns look anomalous.
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:42.719
Like some of the clothing is burned in a straight line, and um like there's this one person who's laying on the street, and there's like their ribs are like hollowed out, but there was no actual fuel because they're just laying in the street.
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:47.840
It doesn't look like there was a fuel load to actually cause that type of burn pattern.
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:52.800
I'm curious about what what is the phenomenon called columnated plasma?
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What does that mean?
00:39:54.239 --> 00:40:03.199
Uh okay, so that was actually something that I was introduced by an ex-Lockheed employee uh who actually lives on Maui now.
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His name's Larry, and he does work for the Maui community investigation.
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:13.039
I actually had an opportunity to pick his brain when it comes to the differences between lasers and plasma and things.
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:20.639
And he does think that a lot of the damage that he saw on Maui was caused by what he calls collimated plasma.
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:26.559
So if you think of plasma as being sort of like a lightning bolt, it travels in a similar fashion.
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:34.320
However, you can actually narrow it down into a very narrow, I guess you would call it, bolt as opposed to beam.
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:42.559
It doesn't necessarily travel in a straight line like lasers would, but it can be directed to do so if a laser is used.
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:55.519
So, like I was saying, the laser-generated plasma beam is electrically conductive, and electrically conductive materials, including ionized air, can reflect microwaves, but they can also conduct plasma as well.
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.360
And so you might have heard about guided lightning bolts and things like that.
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:06.239
So I don't know that a laser or you know a plasma conduit is necessary to guide one of these.
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:21.119
We have seen, like in the case of the high frequency active or rural research project or HARP, where they can actually poke holes in the ionosphere and allow the charged particles in the magnetosphere to find a pathway to ground.
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:27.599
And so that would probably take the path of least resistance, unless it was directed in some sort of way.
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:37.119
But there are ways to take like a plasma or an electrical uh differential or electrical gradient and uh channel it to a specific spot.
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:41.519
And it would usually do so through an electrically conductive pathway.
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:48.960
However, this ex-Lockheed employee, he says that they have lots of different ways to direct and collimate plasma alone.
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:58.639
It's hard to say whether you know we're looking at some sort of AC microwave induction or whether we're looking at some sort of DC plasma seeking ground.
00:41:58.880 --> 00:41:59.679
It's hard to say.
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:06.400
There might be slight differences between those, as well as differences between the Hutcheson effect.
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:14.400
There are certain examples that I would give that point more towards the Hutcheson effect, like the cracking of the steel beams and things.
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:26.239
I will send you a photo from a recent California fire where there was a boat that was on kind of a trailer, and the frame of the trailer was a steel beam, like an I-beam, that had cracked.
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:33.039
To me, I couldn't really explain that, and I could not explain that with the laser or the microwave explanation.
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:39.760
And so we perhaps could be looking at some sort of collimated plasma or Hutchison effect in that case.
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:53.840
And I would say that if anyone does have a sample of metal material that could perhaps be have experienced the Hutchison effect, I would suggest to contact uh Bob Greenier.
00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:15.199
He's a the he's the director of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, and he has he has analyzed several of uh the metal samples directly from John Hutchison, and he has found certain things that are attributed only to the Hutchison effect, such as the existence or presence of magnetic monopoles embedded within the metals themselves.
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.639
Magnetic monopoles were theorized to not exist.
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:33.199
However, you know, the the proof of their existence by Bob Greener has really opened the door to this whole idea of, you know, scalar interference, which is what I think could be causing the Hutchison effect.
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:44.000
So it does appear that John Hutchison was using some sort of electrostatic gradient in his lab, but he also had to use a Tesla coil to reproduce this effect as well.
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.840
The emissions of a Tesla coil are not as widely known to the public.
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:59.440
It's not just electromagnetic, but there is also another spectrum that is emitted by Tesla coils, and it is a longitudinal magnetodielectric spectrum, often called scalar waves.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:11.599
And when we have interference between one scalar wave and another, you can see effects like the Hutchison effect, all kinds of you know plasma effects can occur from that as well.
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:23.119
However, I do think that there is something unique about the way John Hutchison was producing his Hutcheson effect using Tesla coils and electrostatic gradients.
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:34.480
I don't fully understand how he was able to produce his effect, but I do think it does absolutely require a Tesla coil or some other way of emitting a scalar beam.
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:52.559
You know, question I I think is gonna pop up because I'm into the narrative control index of how to look at uh that's like the the work of Chase Hughes and and how do I understand what's going on around narrative?
00:44:52.639 --> 00:45:02.320
You know, and like I'm not a true believer about almost anything, so that means I need to find a way to falsify things if I can, if there is a way.
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:03.360
What would you say?
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:25.679
What evidence would decisively falsify the idea that a Hutchinson effect, that microwave type uh destruction, that laser type destruction that we've covered so far, or collimated plasma, has not like basically some way to falsify those hypotheses.
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:27.679
Is there anything that would do that for you?
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.440
Um yes, actually there is.
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:43.599
So um I would say that many of the ignition points actually are consistent with the official narrative, you know, of power lines and or arson.
00:45:44.159 --> 00:46:01.039
But I would say that evidence that completely natural phenomena can reproduce the effects that are being attributed to directed energy, along with evidence that ionospheric heating was also not actively involved in directing not natural solar plasma at the time.
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:11.840
So I would say that uh, you know, we would have to see proof that perhaps solar flares all by themselves are capable of doing such things.
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.559
Uh, you may have heard of an event in 1859 called the Carrington event.
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:24.079
Uh there was an extremely large solar flare which did cause um, I don't know if it would be called electromagnetic induction.
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:35.039
I think it was probably just plasma conduction that was happening through the power lines where the, you know, the extra charge was trying to seek ground and it found its way through the power lines or the telegraph lines at the time.
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.559
And a lot of the telegraph operators actually got shocked.
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.920
Uh, there was reports of even telegraph machines that were still powered on, even while unplugged.
00:46:44.400 --> 00:47:07.840
There is the possibility that solar flares can start fires, but we would have to see proof that, you know, it could reproduce all of the effects that we've seen, you know, the, you know, the color coding of the effects, the the proximity to metals, and uh some of the effects on metals, not just like the warping and the cracking that might be attributed to the Hutcheson effect.
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.400
But another effect that I've noticed along with the metals is what I call rapid oxidation.
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:26.960
So there's been a lot of cases where we've seen directly after a fire, like within 24 to 48 hours after a fire, we see metal surfaces, they're oxidized way more than they would be in that in that amount of time.
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:38.960
And to me, that indicates perhaps some sort of electrolysis is taking place, which is stealing electrons from the metals and causing an oxidative state uh to occur much faster than it would naturally.
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:48.960
And so I think we would have to see evidence that natural phenomena like a solar flare or something similar would be able to produce all of that on its own.
00:47:49.199 --> 00:48:02.000
And we would also have to prove that, you know, if there was solar plasma present in the magnetosphere at the time, that it will also was not directed with the use of like ionospheric heating and so forth.
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.280
Have you looked into anomalous fires across history?
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:29.119
We're talking about you look up every single United States city and just put in your search engine Great Fire of, like Great Fire of Yes, Chicago, um Jacksonville, Charleston, um, San Francisco, uh you know what would be uh Seattle.
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:35.519
Just new name it, just name any city and then just put Great Fire of and you'll find it.
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:36.880
And it makes me wonder.
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.119
So you've looked into this topic, and and please go ahead and speak to it.
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:57.599
I think I first got caught on to this uh idea when I saw Stu Peters talking about the old world fires, and they do present a lot of evidence from not just the Great Fire, uh the 1871 Chicago fire, but they also go into a lot of detail with other fires.
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:20.159
And the one that really got me was the Jacksonville 1901 fire, where there was reports of people who had escaped the fire and they were viewing from over a hundred yards away, and metal objects in their pockets would like spontaneously combust, like their stopwatch would spontaneously combust in their pockets, you know, and they're over a hundred yards from any combusted flame whatsoever.
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:32.320
And then, you know, there were other reports of uh them hopping in a taxi cab to get away, and as the cab is pulling away, you know, they're like a block away from the fire and things are still spontaneously combusting.
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:41.440
So uh to me, that's definitely not evidence of normal fire behavior because I can't imagine how natural fire would even behave in such a way.
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:46.800
Yeah, those old world fires, they do go way back uh to at least 1871.
00:49:47.199 --> 00:50:11.599
And I would say that perhaps even as far back as the Mahabharatra with the three cities of the Varishis, the Andakas and the Virishis that were, you know, destroyed uh in a similar fashion, uh, there's a whole entire science called meltology, I believe, that actually looks into some of these ancient old world structures and how they could have been, you know, deformed like they were.
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:17.119
We, you know, they often see bricks and rocks and things like that that look like they were melted.
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:24.239
So yeah, it could go back to at least you know 1871, if not three or four thousand years.
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:25.280
Right on.
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.960
Hey, I got my friend Arrow here from from On Island.
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:39.599
Um Arrow, go ahead and uh this is this is Shane Buell, he's the author of Sound the Alarm, the Maui disaster that sparked a global awakening, this book here.
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.519
Who are you and and what what what questions do you have for uh Shane?
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:45.599
Aloha.
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:46.639
Uh thanks for having me.
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:47.519
Aloha.
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:49.599
Um nice to meet you, Shane.
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.480
Um appreciate the work that you're doing.
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:54.079
Uh oh, thank you.
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:54.880
I appreciate that.
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:55.679
Hello.
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:56.480
Yeah.
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:03.679
Um well uh I went to Lahaina myself after the event.
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:05.599
I was there about three weeks afterwards.
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:11.119
Some of the things that I found made some other videos that ended up in some other clips.
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:16.639
So if you ever saw a clip about a toad, Yes!
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:18.400
That's you! That's me.
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:20.719
I recognize you now.
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.519
Yes.
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:24.800
That's awesome.
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:26.559
So you were there with Michelle Melendez?
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:35.760
Uh she interviewed me back here on Big Island, but I was there with another group of people, and uh it was just kind of fate the way it happened.
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:40.480
Um I ended up getting invited in to go to one of the resource centers.
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.719
Um, the actually the only one in Lahaina.
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:52.320
Everything else had gotten moved outside, and so there's a few people that weren't burned out on the Malca side of town, uh Lahaina Luna.
00:51:52.639 --> 00:52:00.159
And um so I ended up meeting a lot of really great people there, including like the the state representative, Ellie Cochran.
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.760
Uh yes, um, who had a lot to say about it.
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:10.880
But they had me um helping deliver resources and supplies and watching over everything at night.
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:22.079
So I don't know how that happened, but I just ended up really close to the scene and I happened to be looking around on the other side of the clock, and that's where I happened to find that toad.
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:28.880
Um you know, a really interesting thing about it is there was melted metal not very far away.
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:36.480
That there was a stand of grass that was as tall as me that hadn't burned down uh in between it.
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.239
So that was, you know, very interesting.
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.360
So yeah, I I I happened to see and and and and learn a lot of things there.
00:52:45.519 --> 00:53:04.960
And um the that clip ended up in a little documentary called Old World Order where it goes back and starts talking about these things happening a lot longer than you know we've conceptualized because we've been taught this very linear timeline of you know, a man coming out of the cave.
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:17.920
I haven't heard your whole conversations about what specific timelines or anything you've been talking about, but well it seems you've jumped in at the perfect time because we just did mention the toad and the old world fires, and that's when you jumped in.
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:19.280
Okay, cool.
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:21.679
Yeah, good timing and yeah.
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:26.719
Do you have more more questions you want to ask Shane or anything around around this topic?
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:54.159
Um I I'm wondering about um a couple things that I that have always really interested me, like how to to mitigate certain things about these seemingly diverse timelines is um you know how how we kind of had an overlap of history of uh indigenous culture, uh of native tribes, and at the same time we seem to have these world bear buildings happening.
00:53:54.559 --> 00:54:11.760
Um so to me it seems like well the reason why the indigenous were exterminated and their books burned because they you know all this information must have been available to some of them, but it's interesting the lineage today doesn't seem to uh taken into account that kind of timeline.
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:15.840
So I don't know if you have any thoughts about that kind of anomaly.
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.079
I I do actually.
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:31.360
Uh so in regards to some of the old world fires that we were just talking about, um, and the fact that it goes back so far, um, I think that there is an explanation that could perhaps account for some of that.
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:43.039
And I think that there has probably always been this adjacent breakaway society that always had the technology and has, you know, kept it hidden for a long time.
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:53.119
And every once in a while they'll come out with some of it, but then every once in a while there's also a reset, you know, to reset the public population back to a previous level.
00:54:53.280 --> 00:55:07.039
But I do think that this technology has always existed on some level, and I do think that that's perhaps evidence of a breakaway society which has existed for a long time side by side, but not out in the open.
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:35.280
So I do think whether it be underground or off-world or whatever you know you want to believe, I do think that there is some sort of some sort of adjacent human breakaway society that that has preserved a lot of that technology and um is also perhaps behind some of the resets when it comes to you know human populations having had like advanced technology in the past and then losing it and starting over.
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:41.360
So I do think that there is perhaps evidence of a breakaway society that could go back to ancient times.
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:51.840
It seems like in Europe it seems much more viable to me because there don't seem to be all these native tribes that were all over the place.
00:55:52.000 --> 00:56:06.239
Um and so, you know, it's I'm you know, interested in knowing are there legends or stories of like airships and any kind of like native tales, myths and legends or something like that.
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:15.119
You know, I have heard stories about battles between kind of reptiles, birds, dragony kind of things in the Pacific Northwest.
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:23.199
Um you know, there is a lot of dinosaur bones uh out in eastern Oregon.
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:36.719
So yeah, I'm just kind of wondering like maybe maybe uh if you've come across anything in any other indigenous myths and legends that kind of speak to to any of these kinds of uh worldfair airships cruising by.
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:48.400
None off the top of my head, although I do think during like medieval times there are uh several paintings that depict what would be considered like UFOs or UAPs.
00:56:48.639 --> 00:57:04.880
And uh I would once again perhaps point back to the Vedas and the Mahabratra, which depicts like some sort of you know warfare, uh aerial warfare between a very advanced civilization and a lot less advanced civilization.
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:14.000
And I do think that with that mismatch has occurred several times throughout history where you have like a very advanced civilization, it just wipes out one that's a lot less advanced.
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.960
Um, I don't have any good examples off the top of my head though.
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.639
Yeah, we're gonna um it right back to this topic of anomalous fires.
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:28.159
But Errol, I want to really say I'm grateful that you saw what I posted on the Facebook.
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.280
I'm grateful that you showed up and asked some questions.
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:33.440
And I'll go ahead.
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.000
I give you one last question for Shane.
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:36.719
You got it?
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.639
What's uh what's your next book book that you're writing about?
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:47.360
Uh well, uh, I actually had not planned on writing that particular book at the time.
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.199
So I was pulled into that book.
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.360
So that book had already started being written before I became involved.
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:59.199
And uh so then I was brought in for probably the last six months or so of the writing of the book.
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:05.840
And um it was quite a labor of love, I would have to say, because I was passionate about it.
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:09.519
But um, you know, I was juggling a lot of other things at the time as well.
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:16.480
So uh trying to continue putting out video content on the Brush Junkie channel, as well as finding time to write the book.
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:31.760
You know, uh it's uh you almost have to almost go into like a uh hermetically sealed, you know, block out the rest of the world because like for me, I I work best in like um two or three hour increments where I can actually get some momentum going.
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:38.079
And uh writing a book, this is the first book I've ever written, and I was juggling lots of other things at the time.
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:44.800
And uh so it was uh I did a lot of late nights trying to make the deadlines and things like that for the publisher.
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:59.440
Um if I ever do write a book again, it would be something that I would have to probably go away, like maybe disappear onto you know Maui or something, and and then just tune out the outside world for a little while so that I can actually focus on it.
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:11.920
Um there are some subjects that I've thought about writing about, and not necessarily all of them are involving directed energy, but I have toyed with the idea of expanding on directed energy.
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:19.360
Um, so I want to try to categorize all the different types of directed energy, uh, what they are, how they're produced, and perhaps countermeasures and stuff.
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:23.440
But it would be a very technical project that would involve a lot of research.
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:31.840
And uh so I would have to kind of cloister myself into like a hermetically sealed container for an unknown uh amount of time.
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:40.639
However, I am also you know involved in political, not necessarily geopolitical, but more like political philosophies and things of that sort.
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:50.239
And I do think that some of that is probably also relevant to the world events that we're seeing today, especially here domestically in the United States.
00:59:50.559 --> 01:00:04.639
So I would perhaps expand on directed energy as well as political philosophy and how it applies to current events, but writing a book is a big project, and I don't have plans to write any full-length books anytime soon.
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:10.800
However, I might actually write some logger uh articles or something instead of uh full book.
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.400
Yeah, a book is a huge commitment.
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.719
Uh, I never realized how big of a project it is until I actually tried to do it.
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:18.079
Yeah, right on.
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:19.199
Well, thank you for that.
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:28.719
And it was good to meet you, Arrow, and uh I'm really glad to uh to meet you, the the person who uh started the whole viral toad video.
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:30.960
Really, thank you.
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:36.000
Just my due diligence is you know any man ought to do.
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.599
So right on.
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.039
Thank you so much for your service.
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.840
Looking forward to catching you here on the big island again.
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:42.719
Thank you guys.
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:46.960
Yeah, right.
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:48.400
That was a treat.
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.159
That was a pleasant surprise.
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:51.440
Isn't it awesome?
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:57.280
Yeah, there's a lot of yeah, things that are uh just unknown that we're gonna experience here.
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:04.400
So this is arc four in this show, narrative control, incentives, consequences.
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.280
This is kind of mission critical.
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.239
I know you you spent the time looking over all the questions.
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:21.440
You spent the time even formulating answers, but who benefits the most financially, politically, territorially from the official explanations of these fires?
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:42.320
Well, yeah, I would say that those who benefit most are probably the large landowners like BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, who are acquiring more land, you know, in this process because they're they're swooping in like vultures and scooping up the land at pennies on the dollar.
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:58.880
And these people who are longtime generational, perhaps even natives who live on the island for many generations, they're in a situation where they're paying mortgage on uh on a property that they can't even live on.
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.840
And that's only sustainable for so long.
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:10.320
And the BlackRock billionaires can hold out until those people can no longer afford a mortgage on an empty lot, and they eventually do have to sell.
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:36.400
And so we do see a lot of the large landowners that are benefiting from this, but as well as the smart city developers and contractors and private public partnerships with uh short-term rental contracts between like Department of Homeland Security, FEMA, and there's even a company called Lima Charlie, which is has taken over most of the you know the leases and everything there.
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:41.679
And there's been a whole short-term rental crisis on Maui as well.
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:44.239
Uh, they're trying to ban short-term rentals.
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:51.840
So DHS is actually paying way inflated prices on a lot of these leases and stuff that they're that they're covering.
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:57.519
And that's actually just raising the rates for everyone else as well, because it increases the average.
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:03.199
And so if they ever decide, and I think pretty soon here in February, a lot of those leases are going to be up.
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:08.559
People on Maui are going to be displaced once again, looking for places to live.
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:17.360
And now the housing market is completely inflated, sometimes 150 to 200 plus percent of what used to be market value prior to the fire.
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:38.719
And so I would say, yeah, the you know, the landowners, the uh smart city developers and contractors, and ultimately the UN 2030 agenda benefits from this because you know, a lot of this smart city 15-minute you know, city development has been done in lockstep with the UN's plans.
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:48.480
And so the UN sustainable development goals for 2030 are all about you know limiting our consumption, controlling our you know, freedom of movement and things like that.
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:53.360
So um I think those are the ones who benefit the most from this.
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:59.920
It's it's basically a top-down benefit structure, sort of a pyramid with people at the bottom just getting crushed.
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.400
That's familiar to me.
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:12.480
And how do you think labeling inquiry, like what we're doing as conspiracy, functions as a narrative containment tool rather than a rebuttal?
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.480
You know, how does that work, do you think?
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:22.639
Uh well, one way is that it limits people's ability to discern for themselves because it limits the possibilities, right?
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:33.679
So if you're if you're only limited to possibilities that are not going to be considered conspiracy theory, then it takes some of the choices off of the table, some of the choices which actually might be more accurate ones.
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:38.239
It misrepresents uh sincere inquiry as merely conspiracy.
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:51.039
And uh calling one a conspiracy theorist for legitimate inquiry, in my opinion, is an ad hominem that attacks the person and not their argument, it's kind of shuts off the debate before it can even get started.
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:53.760
Yeah, that's what I get to see.
01:04:53.840 --> 01:05:01.440
And I think we already covered parallels between the the anomalous fires of recent times and other historical events.
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:18.320
Seriously, if the public were to be genuine about investigating these anomalies, what do you think the downstream implications would be for, say, governance and accountability and how things would play out?
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.000
That's a good question.
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:41.039
Um, I think we're already starting to see the public investigate things like stratospheric aerosol injection and its role in solar radiation management, as well as cloud seeding, chemical ice nucleation, and other types of weather modification, colloquially called chemtrails.
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:47.519
However, you know, there's several different methods of application and different reasons for doing that.
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:57.840
And I think it has the downstream effect of becoming a public conversation regarding state governance over stratospheric aerosol injection and things of the like.
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:06.880
Although state jurisdiction ends at a Around uh 2,000 feet of altitude, and states are essentially powerless to enforce accountability over the feds.
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:17.119
And I think a similar thing is happening in the realm of fire anomalies, and the implications for governance and accountability are even more shrouded in plausible deniability.
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:21.360
But the implications for infrastructure are twofold.
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:40.159
One is that they occasionally make local political victories, whether permanently defeating smart city plans like they did in Perez de Ladón, Costa Rica, or temporarily defeating land grab bills like Hawaii Senate Bill 3381 and California Senate Bill SB 549.
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:47.360
And another is that people may learn some ways to adapt physical countermeasures to help protect life and property.
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:51.440
And that is some of the research that is ongoing with me.
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:54.400
I'm looking at you know countermeasures and so forth.
01:06:54.639 --> 01:07:06.400
However, it's going to take a lot of resource, you know, for the average person to build and develop countermeasures for directed energy or even just to fireproof your home against normal combusted flames.
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:13.360
Some of the things that I have noticed, however, is that uh Kahoma Village in Lahaina had actually survived.
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:21.039
And um, it was mostly attributed to the underground power lines and the hardy fiberboard cement siding.
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:28.559
Um, a lot of that actually will make a difference in a natural fire, and I think it's good to cover all your bases.
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:34.800
So I do think some of the some of that is the downstream implications that we will perhaps see from that.
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:43.519
You know, this is a different question, but it's it's relevant to what I already gave you ahead of time before the show.
01:07:44.159 --> 01:08:00.880
Did you get to document ways that insurance companies and governments and any other organizations seemed to like that there were evidence to show them aligned in containing the narrative in shutting down discussion?
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:03.760
Did you actually get to document them doing that?
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:05.119
Let's see here.
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:13.360
So there is some evidence before the fact of insurance companies actually stocking up on adjusters.
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:25.039
So um there was a company called Mile High Adjusters, which had put out ads in several job websites that were looking for uh insurance claims adjusters for Lahaina.
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:35.199
They were looking for over 60 plus insurance claims adjusters for the city of Lahaina, and they were hiring urgently, they said, and that was as of April of 2023.
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:37.680
So that was just four months before the fire.
01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:43.359
So they seem to have anticipated a need for extra insurance claims adjusters.
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:52.079
But then once the damage actually happened, they have basically blamed everything on um Hawaiian Electric Company.
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:57.439
Uh so the HICO down power lines basically became the scapegoat.
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.680
They're trying to claim that HICO is liable and it's not a natural wildfire.
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:07.439
And so, like, if it was an act of God, if it was actually natural wildfire, then the insurance would pay out in full.
01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:13.119
However, a lot of insurance claims are either not being paid out in full or not being paid out at all.
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:20.720
And so even the people who are getting insurance money for their property are not getting the full amount to actually rebuild their property.
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:35.920
Yeah, like I said earlier, those people can't necessarily, and plus the red tape, the government has implemented a lot of red tape and hoops to jump through, you know, Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA, and everything has to get certified and be totally cleaned up according to government standards.
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:41.119
And a lot of times that is being done out of pocket by the homeowner themselves.
01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:55.359
And so uh it's and they can only hold out so long, and then once they do, you know, choose to sell, then it's one of those big investors like BlackRock or or even Harpo Studios actually has been behind some of these, some of these land grabs.
01:09:55.520 --> 01:10:03.920
So, you know, when you hear about properties in Lahaina or elsewhere that were fire damaged, sometimes it's not necessarily BlackRock, Vanguard, or State Street.
01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:08.000
Occasionally you will have an investor like Harpo Studios that comes in.
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:15.680
And if anyone's familiar with Harpo Studios, that's owned by Oprah, who does actually have properties on Maui.
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:27.359
Um, she has one property on eastern Maui near Hana, but she also has a property, a ranch near Kula, which was actually unaffected by the Kula fires.
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:33.279
So there was actually a fire in Kula during the Lahaina fire, just prior to the Lahaina fire.
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:38.720
And I think 19 or 20 homes were destroyed in that fire, but Oprah's home was untouched.
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:43.520
Her home and her ranch over there in Kula were untouched by the fires.
01:10:43.840 --> 01:11:01.520
So obviously, we don't need to shout out Oprah and seek for any relief monies towards her because she was unaffected and also she is extremely wealthy, as are many other people who were unaffected by this specific fire.
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:11.680
But I was just wondering, are there any specific peeps out there, people who have a GoFundMe or some crowned some crowdfunding campaign that you'd like to shout out?
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.079
People who were devastated by the line of fire.
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:17.920
And maybe it's in your book.
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:23.920
Maybe you you know personally that you'd like to say, hey, let's let's put a link into the show.
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:28.079
Audience members can go and check this out, can go and help them.
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:37.920
Yes, I would actually say that off the top of my head, there is one person I know that probably still has their GoFundMe up, and he's a good friend of mine, Bretta Spice on Maui.
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:42.079
I think his GoFundMe is titled Island Spice Hawaii.
01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.800
I will link that to you so that you could provide the link in the show notes.
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:47.359
It's gonna be right for you if you go to the video right now.
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:47.680
Yeah.
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:50.960
Yeah, so on GoFundMe, Island Spice Hawaii.
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:56.239
He's one of the Lahaina victims who lost not only his business, but his home as well.
01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:03.600
And uh and eventually his his little dog uh as well, I think perhaps succumbed from the smoke inhalation.
01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:08.399
Like she did live for a while after that, but uh he lost her soon after.
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.920
And uh he's trying to get his business back on on track.
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:22.159
He's an herbal healer who had like an entire an entire shop full of herbs and all that sort of thing, and he made extracts and he also makes perfumes.
01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:24.880
And so uh we've interviewed him a couple of times.
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:34.800
He's given us a lot of not only firsthand experience, but some actual really good evidence, not only images, but videos as well.
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:46.800
For example, the area where he had his business was a lot of concrete cinder block construction with rebar inside, and a lot of those concrete blocks were exploding away from the rebar.
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:56.720
And he actually did provide evidence that showed like how far some of that concrete and rebar was thrown from the source of the, I guess you could call it explosion.
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:12.000
And then there was also the industrial buildings, they were like these metal industrial buildings in there's Emerald Plaza in the industrial zone, just Mackay of Lahaina Luna, but uh Malka of most of the rest of Lahaina.
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:17.840
And so um he has provided a lot of good corroborating evidence.
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:29.520
So those industrial buildings were nearby the area where he was fleeing at the time, and so he was trying to run from the fire, and he's probably about a block out in front of the fire, the fire front is probably about a block away.
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:42.479
And as he's running past these buildings, they're actually like imploding or crushing inwards, and he was the one that actually sent me this picture of a garage door on one of those buildings that's twisted like a rope.
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:44.720
And I thought that was really strange.
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:54.720
We have seen, you know, I-beams that are kind of twisted and drooped, but this garage door was like twisted into like a liquor stick almost or a rope-like structure.
01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:12.960
And to me, that's almost evidence of the right-hand rule in electromagnetics, where the direction of the current determines the curl of the magnetic field, and the curl of the magnetic field, in that case, could have perhaps determined the curl of the metallic door itself.
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:26.079
Now, I haven't been able to rule out other effects like the Hutcheson effect or or plasma conduction, those are also possibilities, but either way, that is not something you would see in a normal combustive fire.
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:35.039
And by the way, I know that people like here on the Big Island and Maui know the terms maoka and Makai.
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:46.960
But you know, for the folks who are far, far away and don't speak Hawaiian and know these Hawaiian common words, maoka means towards the mountain and Makai means towards the ocean.
01:14:47.199 --> 01:15:08.079
So there were Macai events for the Lahina fire of people seemingly cooked in their cars like 50 feet away from the water, which is anomalous, meaning like that they didn't get a chance to just normally, you know, like fire is on its way, your car is shut down for some anomalous reason, you'd get out of the car and run and just jump in the ocean.
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:10.560
But they were this they're incinerated in their cars.
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:11.840
There's evidence of that.
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:13.439
That's the Mackay side.
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.840
Then there's the Malca events over Kula.
01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:17.359
I'm sorry, right?
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:18.399
Oh no.
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:21.279
Uh Kula is uh Kula's on the other side.
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:24.880
Uh so well, not the all the way on the other side, but it's across the valley.
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:34.720
However, up the hill for those uh industrial buildings at Emerald Plaza, so uphill from Emerald Plaza is where the fire allegedly started.
01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:44.399
Um, and that's where they found the original the power station with the down power lines and the original spark of grass or whatever that perhaps was carried by the wind.
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:48.399
But I don't think that was the only ignition source that was present.
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:51.279
I, you know, I would say that sounds accurate.
01:15:51.439 --> 01:16:00.880
And by the way, it's fascinating like to have someone who's done so much investigation and so much time writing a book and still hasn't been to Maui.
01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:15.279
And, you know, like that's uh I'm and that is not to discredit that what you have is not accurate because I've seen enough firsthand investigative videography right there and talk with people and we're asking really important questions.
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:18.000
Um, Shane, this yeah that's part of it.
01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:26.239
If you were running this this whole show, if if it made you think show was yours, what's a question that I didn't ask that you think is important?
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:28.159
Hmm.
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:36.720
Um, I would say what can we do ahead of time to prevent things like this from occurring?
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:39.439
Would be a good question.
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:43.359
And uh just to backtrack real quick, I'll come back to that question.
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.560
Both of my other co-authors have actually been to Maui.
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:52.079
So uh Tracy has gone to Maui and she has investigated Kula and Lahaina herself.
01:16:52.239 --> 01:17:00.239
And my other author, my other co-author, Stephanie Perucci, she also did go to Maui and she toured Lahaina with the Maui community investigation as well.
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:06.239
So I'm the only author of the book that has yet to go to Maui, but it is something that I will do eventually.
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:10.560
You know, I hope that all the evidence isn't necessarily gone by that time.
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:12.159
Yeah, I don't think it will be.
01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:12.640
All right.
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:17.439
And so um, so yeah, so that other question, I guess what can we do?
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:22.479
Um, I would say that there have been like uh I brought up Costa Rica earlier.
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:31.359
So when it comes to the UN's sustainable development goals for 2030, um, there are things we can do at the local level to fight these plans.
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:35.760
Now, I don't necessarily advocate for political action for the most part.
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:40.880
However, there have been examples where political action on the local level has had local victories.
01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:57.359
And I think the biggest one I can point to is in Perez de Lodón, Costa Rica, where um I think it was back in April of, I think it was 24, they had found out about these plans for an eco barrio or 15-minute city that was being planned for their municipality.
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:06.479
And they spread the word far and wide and they got a lot of people to come and give their um their testimony in opposition to it.
01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:19.520
However, like so many people showed up and there was huge protests outside of the building that uh on the day of the vote when they were supposed to, you know, voice public testimony, they actually had closed the doors and kept everyone outside.
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:37.199
Well, there was this one particular journalist from uh named Dustin Bryce from Interest of Justice, and he's actually a constitutional scholar that had legal paperwork drawn up that uh was given so like there was a bunch of police standing outside the door in front of this, and I'll give you a video clip of this as well.
01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:43.119
There was a bunch of people standing outside, you know, trying to get in, but there was a line of police blocking the doors.
01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:52.399
And then these police were served with these legal papers, and once they saw what they were, you know, dealing with, they realized, well, we have to deliver this to the politicians inside.
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:56.079
So they just opened a little crack in the door and slipped the papers through the door.
01:18:56.159 --> 01:19:06.720
And when the politicians inside actually read the legal paperwork, they realized that there they would not be able to actually hold a legitimate vote without giving the opportunity for public testimony.
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:12.960
And it was obvious that the public testimony was overwhelmingly in opposition to the 15-minute city plan.
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.960
They decided not to hold the vote, so the vote was never held.
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:24.239
And all of the politicians, except for the mayor, actually backed down and removed their support for the 15-minute city.
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:28.560
So, right now in Costa Rica, it's pretty much defeated.
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:38.640
They've defeated their 15-minute city, and the only one in support of it is the mayor, and he's going to be on his way out because he's very unpopular now because of that.
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.239
So I would say that was one of the things that we can do.
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:48.159
And we've seen examples in Lahaina, for example, the land grab bill, SB 3381.
01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:55.359
There was a lot of opposition that was voiced to that as well, and it was put on pause for the last um for the last legislative session.
01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:58.319
However, I know they are going to reintroduce it again soon.
01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:09.920
Hawaii Senator Angus McKelvey has actually started reintroducing some of the bills, like they're actually pushing a water grab bill right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if the land grab bill isn't far behind it.
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:18.479
So people on Maui need to pay attention because they will reintroduce that bill again soon, and it will probably go under a different name so that it can fly under the radar.
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:19.920
That's perfect.
01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:29.920
I mean, that's kind of like completely exactly where I was trying to pivot in the first place, which is what's the positive things that we can do with all of this information?
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:53.840
I touch on stuff, whether here in my other shows, and certainly everything I post on social media, that you could get really depressed and go doom and gloom on all of that if you don't have a way of balancing your internal terrain, your spheres of what's concerning you, and spheres of what are what do you have within your sphere of control.
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:54.640
Right?
01:20:54.800 --> 01:21:00.800
Like so we have things that are within our sphere of control, like to pay attention to what's going on.
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:15.359
And that's like in terms of I would say like totalitarian legislation, like a la 15 minute city stuff, things of this nature, of seeing where where could be the next electromagnetic anomalous attack.
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:17.840
I'm sorry, anomalous fire attack.
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:19.199
That's all I have evidence for.
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:21.039
These are weird anomalies, fires.
01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:35.600
You don't have porcelain 3,000 degrees, you don't have autoglass 2,500 degrees just spontaneously melting, and people cooked in those weird ways where their cornrows are in attacked, but the rest of their body is cooked.
01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:46.560
That doesn't make sense based upon like a brush fire that was caused by uh Hekko, which used to be by the way, be called Helco, you know, the Hell Company.
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:47.039
Oh, really?
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:50.159
Uh yeah, Hawaii Electric Light Company.
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:54.720
And they got rid of the L part, you know, of the I can see why.
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:56.319
Yeah, branding.
01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:56.960
Yeah.
01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.359
So I throw it to you first.
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:16.800
It is about the positive things you could do in your life now, both with this information, with your book, and with everything we're talking about, plus just what literally any positive things you could do in your life right now, just help my made-you think audience understand.
01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:17.920
What do you think?
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:26.880
Well, I would say self-sufficiency is uh is a good thing because we're seeing a lot of things going on right now with the government and with the economy.
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:34.880
It's gonna be good to grow your own food and to perhaps have a source of clean, drinkable water just for starters.
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:38.880
Going off-grid and creating your own electricity, that's a huge step.
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:43.199
Uh, I don't necessarily recommend people try to do that on their own.
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:47.520
That's probably gonna be like a community type uh you know situation.
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:59.920
However, when it comes to your communities, like each and every one of us lives within some sort of jurisdiction that is probably planning some sort of plan uh that is in lockstep with the UN sustainable development goals.
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:08.720
And I would say not necessarily political action, but just to raise awareness because there is sort of a timeline with these things.
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:19.199
So when a certain locality reaches about 80% of compliance with uh with the sustainable development goals, is when they uh accelerate their redevelopment.
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:26.479
And there's these things called five-year plans, known as nationally determined contributions, and uh every five years those are updated.
01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:30.079
And you do want to try to stay ahead of the game.
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:37.279
Like I'm not telling people to get politically active because I don't necessarily think political action is always going to be the solution.
01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:46.880
But when it comes to raising awareness and resisting some of these actions, you know, the less compliant that an area is, the slower the timeline of redevelopment will be.
01:23:47.039 --> 01:24:05.359
And so usually once these localities reach about 80% compliance with the UN SDGs or with the uh SEGIT or Smart Destination Program, which is in Spanish speaking countries, um, usually once they reach about 80% compliance is when those plans are accelerated.
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:11.520
Yeah, it's it's often right after that is when they see some sort of catastrophic redevelopment occur.
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.800
Yeah, so those were really good suggestions.
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:27.760
Just I especially gonna underline the self-sufficiency and sustain your own life, make your own life stronger self-sustainability and non-compliance.
01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:28.720
For sure.
01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:33.920
Don't comply with things that are totalitarian and make your life more sustainable in general.
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:40.159
Like that's just lifting up where you're you're saying, okay, in the in the there's like a circle.
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:46.720
I should see if I could insert that vision, but like a circle of looking at each of the pie slices of your life.
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.359
Where are you sufficient and where are you doing great?
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:52.000
And where do you have areas that you really need growth?
01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:55.600
For many people, that's finances needs help.
01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:57.920
For many people that's health needs help.
01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:01.199
For many people, the relationships that needs help.
01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:03.600
And like you get to focus on that.
01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:05.039
That's within your control.
01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:07.760
I'm gonna like refocus that one.
01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:11.600
But for sure, you can vote with your feed.
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:17.199
You know, some people have the actual capacity, especially if you're single, then you can move.
01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:18.880
You can go somewhere else.
01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:36.720
If I was doing it all over and I was single and I wasn't so enamored of living here, of everything that I'm getting by living in East Hawaii on the Big Island, I would consider moving to Texas or someplace like Tennessee community or or things like that.
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:46.960
I would consider it because the people who think like me and say things like me and make shows like this, like Made Do You Think Show, they're there.
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:47.920
They're doing it.
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:50.560
You know, they got confluence over there.
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:54.960
There's for sure the pork fest, the Porcupine Freedom Festival in New Hampshire.
01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:59.359
I'm aiming to go there upcoming in a few months come uh time.
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:01.920
Uh I'm I'm aiming for all kinds of things.
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:06.640
Like I can travel now and do that, but you can vote with your feet, you can do that.
01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:11.039
Here's something really important for all of you folks who are watching and listening.
01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:13.279
Did this show disturb you?
01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:15.199
Then you're the wrong audience.
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:26.399
If you can't handle this, if this is like messed up your nervous system for the next hour and for this day, and you don't have a mechanism for getting back to balance.
01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:29.119
I know people, this is not the show for you.
01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:32.000
You're doing the wrong thing by consuming this kind of media.
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:38.319
I'm making this media and I consume this kind of stuff because I can handle it, because I can face off to it.
01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:42.159
Similar to I get on the jujitsu mat and I can handle being thrown.
01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:43.359
That's why I do that.
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:45.600
If you can't handle that, don't do that.
01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:47.520
You know, that's the way it goes.
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:53.439
I can just say there's a point to realize what's the impact.
01:26:53.600 --> 01:27:04.560
There's there's two things in accountability your intentions on the one hand, like what I intended, and the impact of what is the actual result of the actions that go down.
01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:16.000
For me, Shane, this would have been brilliant because you actually did a deeper dive into some of the technology and understanding like things about electrical spin that I have been missing, you know.
01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:23.199
And I use actual magnets in my holistic healthcare profession, in my actual medical practice.
01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:25.600
I use magnets, I use lasers.
01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:28.960
Uh I have a hot laser here and cold lasers.
01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:33.920
And I I, you know, because acupuncture, we're in the 21st century.
01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:38.239
I'm not limited just to the needles, I'm not limited just to the herbal formulas.
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:43.279
I have all these nutraceutical formulas, I have all these kinds of electromedical tools.
01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:45.039
We're in the 21st century.
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:47.359
You know, there's innovation that's been happening.
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:48.960
So Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:52.079
The infrared spectrum is actually very healing as well.
01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:52.960
Right.
01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:59.760
You see, like at the very least, if this did disturb you, it could be like, you know, you could go out and get get you some of that health.
01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:02.560
The healing electromagnetic therapies.
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:07.920
I'm later on going to be going to uh far infrared sauna at the spa.
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:15.760
That's a thing uh to sweat because it's dry and it'll probably be 132 degrees inside of there.
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:21.600
And uh for the less electromagnetic, there's also uh near infrared sauna.
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:27.600
That's where the hot rocks, you know, and and also the steam room, which is crazy hot.
01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:28.800
Oh, I love steam.
01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:32.720
Yeah, uh the moisture is is is healing for some.
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:38.239
And what I'm saying is there are therapies out there to get yourself back in balance.
01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:43.279
I keep pushing breathe with Sandy on YouTube and just do your breathing exercises.
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:53.039
I keep pushing that to figure out where it is that you have your sphere of control in your life and be real and honest about it.
01:28:53.199 --> 01:29:03.119
Like, if you went through all of this whole show and you're like, all right, I'm gonna buy Sound the Alarm by Shane Buell, Tracy Derwin, Stephanie Berucci.
01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:10.800
I'm going to, you know, like I'm gonna go ahead and read the whole book that making a plug for the book that they're Shane, that's important.
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:18.159
I'm gonna go ahead and maybe take my time, go over this whole show again after it's all uploaded.
01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:26.079
Look at the images, the ones that are too hot for YouTube, to look at the censored version on the YouTube.
01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:28.640
Gonna take a look at this stuff.
01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:30.000
I'm gonna think about things.
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:42.319
I'm gonna think maybe a little bit deeper on the Hutchinson effect and potentials for laser technology and consider where's the crosshairs, and where are the danger zones in life?
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:53.359
Like, for example, on a wet side of these islands, I don't think they're gonna try to frame that as a forest fire suddenly happens, you know, because it's just too damp.
01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:58.960
And they're just like I live I live in a place where there's never been a forest fire because it just rains too much.
01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:01.279
Everything's too soaked all the time.
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.159
In fact, well, yeah, that's another problem as well.
01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:05.520
It gets people down.
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:12.800
That's why they travel to the dry leeward side, the east sides of these islands, so they could just air out, you know.
01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:21.840
Um I end the shows of Made You Think to get folks with a positive, impactful place where you could like take agency and action.
01:30:22.079 --> 01:30:24.399
So just putting my plugs out there.
01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:25.680
Yeah.
01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:32.880
And uh another thing that I think would fit along with that, you said voting with your feet, and there's also voting with your dollars.
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:39.760
So boycotting, divesting, and sanctioning, you know, it actually does have a very powerful impact.
01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:54.000
And when it comes to voting with your feet, like you said, I've never actually made it out to New Hampshire, the Free State Project where Pork Fest is, but I am rather fond of another one in Michigan called the Midwest Peace and Liberty Fest.
01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:57.439
Yeah, so if you ever get the chance to make it there, I highly recommend it.
01:30:57.680 --> 01:30:59.520
I'm aiming to get out there.
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:01.439
And by the way, what's your location, Shane?
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:05.760
Uh the Midwest in Indiana, actually, near Fort Wayne, Indiana.
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:08.319
Yeah, Michigan's right across the border from me.
01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:09.600
MWP.
01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:10.880
Yeah, like uh Midwest.
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:12.239
M PLF.
01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:15.760
M PLF, yeah, the MPLF Fest.
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:18.560
Man, I yeah, I so want to go there.
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:27.920
I want to like meet you in person, uh, meet uh Lucander Fiend, you know, uh like uh he was a co-host with us on the Freedom Fiends.
01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:39.760
Um to meet all these folks, the the cool people that I originally found on Google Hangouts, uh a group that was started by Wes Bertrand.
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.399
He had a show called Complete Liberty.
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:46.720
I think he actually still has Complete Liberty going, which is amazing, you know.
01:31:47.039 --> 01:32:10.239
And he brought together all these people who were completely aligned with the concepts of liberty and self-ownership and the non-aggression principle, voluntarism, and the practical applications of nonviolent communication, something that I've been advocating for 15 plus years now, but I just I advocate it in a different way nowadays, that's all.
01:32:10.479 --> 01:32:17.359
And I wanna I want to see those people, Katie Testa, all of and you yeah, I was just about to mention Katie Testa.
01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:26.880
Yeah, you have a very vocal advocate for nonviolent communication up there, and Lou Fien, he's not only great company, but he is an awesome cook.
01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:31.760
He's practically a chef, and uh he he will feed you very well.
01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:34.079
That he will.
01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:37.359
There's a lot of cool voices and people to bring back on.
01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:44.079
Once again, sound the alarm, Shane Buell, like that's your book, and really grateful to have you here.
01:32:44.479 --> 01:33:06.640
We might actually come back and go back into the other topics that we're going into, like looking at a deeper, broader look at history, wondering if the event, what if that wasn't some natural sunspot thing, but that was a similar event as to all these weird anomalous fires that melted all those brick and stone large buildings, you know, that like destroyed.
01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:09.119
I could definitely go deep on that one too.
01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:10.159
Right.
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:13.279
I thought so, and I can too.
01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:19.359
So, Shane, it's been really brilliant to have a show with you and looking forward to next time.
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:21.039
All right, thank you.