DEBATE! Everyone's A FED, "Christian Nationalism," Doug Wilson & the State, Mormons & Scientism

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We don't teach sha.
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We don't teach no hate.
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Y'all te shank y'all house, y'all narcissists.
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But you ain't a narcissist.
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Because I'm not a slave. I never came from Africa.
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I'm an indigenous.
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Perfect what your mama taught you.
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Let me tell you the truth.
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Let her curk, let her cook from my color black
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macass cooking, Let her mel.
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Your people are going to extinct, and that's why you're mad.
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You can't pro create.
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You was born as stink. Put some respect on that name.
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This sister right here, Ha done decoded every mystery on
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the house. She done decoded every howeroglyphic. Okay, that's that ancient.
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That's that ancient Wakandan script.
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Okay, that's what eugenics was about. That's when eugenic the
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Darwin theory.
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Because y'all know the truth.
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This sister doesn't see every TikTok about Sydney Swingey and
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them jeans. Okay, them jeans was invented by a communist
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dictatorship to put you into a worker suit because white
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people had to put black people into genes because white
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people gens is defectives.
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Okay, and they is.
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Born decrepit, They born without the ability to reproduce. Okay,
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that's what them eugenics is about. It's in the name eugenics.
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Sidney Sweeney, goddamn genes.
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Girl.
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Everybody want to be black?
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Don't nobody want to be black except Beyonce want to
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be white because she's changing her.
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Skin waiting to say this.
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Whoo, cook girl, Finally my people are speaking up, people
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speaking my language, speaking my script.
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Okay.
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And I am an honorary black person. We've had eleven
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black people give me in word past. I've been identifying
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as black at least for.
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How many years now?
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Many I've been white to say this all my life.
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Woo, cook girl, Cook on it.
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You're mad because only black people have the jeans to procreate.
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She wearing the jeans skirt too. At the same time,
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y'all noticed that that's coded. That right there is coded.
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Okay, and that.
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White woman right there, she don't know what to do
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one thats coded. Y'all know how to decode.
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And y'all know the true dukes come from me.
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A black person can make any color in Africa white
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with blue eyes.
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Whoa s now Some of y'all wanted to make fun
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of me for identifying as black. This little princess sister
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queen right here, she don't have to confirmed it, ain't she?
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She done confirm the right there. You made fun of me,
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Judy dog Thorsty's blood.
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She just said, black people make all the colors.
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I came from her. That's my mom's, dude. It's my
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mom's right now.
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And blind hair, just like you have a win, one
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my collar and one your color.
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It's called east Side and Jacob.
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You'll be quiet east side and Jacob et the Mites.
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Black Huberes are like black Hebrew, black Hebrew Israel, Like,
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just make it up.
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As you go. It don't even matter.
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It's telling us star it okay, it's telling us story.
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And this ain't the only truth.
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Drop knowledge bomb I got for your ass today. You
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better set your little ass down. Put them be called
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eb T card back in the draw because you ain't
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ready for it. Right now, you ain't ready for it.
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I'm about to drop a lot of y'all trying to
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a lot of y'all try to want to become a
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black heprier. As you're like, I got bad news for you.
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In a moment we're gonna we're gonna speak to some
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of them brothers that got wisdom.
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You're never you can take me to jail, your mad
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go ahead.
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Now, let me let let me let my people, Jacob.
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I like I like how my brothers and sisters in
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the plane, or letting.
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Her preach, whoa preach girl, get on it? Tell it
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cook everybody else in the airplane. That's remember that. You
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want you want to know what airplane? That was? Soul plane.
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Everybody forgot that Snoop movie. Remember snow old plane. This
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is what it was like getting on it right here, right,
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this is it right here?
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What a soul plane. I'm not talking about soul training.
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I'm talking soul plane. They get on that right there.
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Look at that right there? Whoa get on that sould
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plane right now? Made that ship bump.
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Oh, look at that got Kevin Hart in, It got
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Snoop dogg in, It got them mother sisters I ain't
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never heard of, and I never seen about she Because.
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The promise is coming to my paper. We know the
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birth right girl.
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Remember when remember when Cain had done took es Saul's birthright,
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and then the Judahmites had done come and take the
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Nephemites and taking their taking all of their hair, taking
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their weaves. The Nephemites done took the weave of all
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of the Judamites. And it was a big old story
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in the Book of Samson and the Bibles. Okay, then
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the people had to rise up, They had had to rise.
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Up and throw it off. That oppressions. Okay, that's what
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I'm talking about right now. I'm preaching right now.
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And ain't none of y'all leaving right now, closing doors,
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close the doors, because ain't none of y'all coming out
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here till I get forty thousand dollars in super chests today.
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That's all I'm trying to say. That's it. That's all. Now.
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A lot of white people are turning to the racisms.
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It's time to call it a stop to that. It's
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time to call it out. I am bold enough to
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do it. A lot of people too scared to do it.
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But I'm gonna sing with this white man, with this
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judahmite right here, this little Judahmite who tried to steal
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all the weaves back in the Book of Samson. I
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got a little song for y'all right now, listen, I
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want y'all to sing with me. Now it's a church
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service right up in here. Indo racisms.
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Down, King say, come on everyone, burn it down, racism,
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burn it down.
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I don't know why. I don't know how we got
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to axul rose in that, but welcome everybody. It's open
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for him. We're just having fun, kicking it off with
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a little bit of a little bit of church to
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get y'all ready for today. Did y'all enjoy church? We
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had a sister like Kwanha getting on the soul plane
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giving us a little bit of word of encouragements.
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But now we're about to open it up.
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I don't know what y'all people got on your minds today,
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but listen, oh, I forgot what we gotta check in
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just one little thing. Can I become a black Hebro Israelite?
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That's what I want to know. Number one ques question today,
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Number one qurtion today.
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Hold on, some of you white people, you think perhaps
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I could also be in the tribe. I could also
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become a judomit. Let's find out. Let's find out right here.
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I just Irish, definitely definitely not.
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I'm an Irish manka all right, Well, you can be
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whatever you want to be in your mind, in your
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want to be, but in reality, I'm excited.
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To be here with you guys. To name, I'm very excited.
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That's Jermaine Duprix right there, that's Jermaine Dupris. Don't come
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up black. He is late, that Jermaine Duprieve. You ain't
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never seen him. You said, well, what Jermaine the Prieve
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went up to for the for the last minute. Well
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it's been a minute, but he's been over.
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There with them. He is lights up and down in
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that Landau right now.
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And when an Irish man who's a cannounce cannot become
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a judimit when he come up in there trying to
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be trying to trying to front.
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Mm hmmm mm hmmm mm hmm.
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You ain't a part of this party, son. My people
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is on the come up. Your people is on the depression,
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wrote aka skinned Roll Haller.
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If you hear me, hold, if you hear it? All right,
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we popping the day. It's popping. Baby.
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We even got fat smug smug Wilson. Did y'all know
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Smug Wilson Christian nationalist Fatty Pastor, the new version, the
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new institiation of Jerry fallwell, smug Wilson, he got a
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rock and roll song, y'all ever heard of it? What
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could a boomer come up with to blow my mind
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when it came to rock and roll? It's exactly what
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you think folk bluegrass, Calvinists, bull crap, that's what you
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would get. That's what you that's what you think, and
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that's what you get. You didn't know Doug Wilson had musics.
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This is Doug Wilson in the Jenny Getty's band about
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to blow.
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Your mind right here.
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Now.
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Did you hear that?
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They was referencing Jacob and the Judamites out of the
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Old Testament with Caine and Joseph, also Abel and Levi
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Leviticus Okay. Leviticus was the cousin of Moses Claus. Okay,
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that's where the white people done got Santa Claus from.
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If you look at a picture of Moses right now,
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to the picture of Santa Claus, that's the white version
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of Mosa Claus. First five books of the Bibles, okay.
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And then Doug Wilson referencing that, he said, we is
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the real Jacobites. Okay, mm hmmm, mm hmm. This is
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white supremacist coded right here, pull some respect on Doug Wilson,
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Smug Wilson name right, hew, Uh yeah, let's see.
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What what's a good idea for the video?
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Uh?
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Boomers shopping at home depot? First of all, definitely on Calvinism,
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pro economy, pro libertarian economic theory. You gotta be shopping
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at home depot. What else is more free market? What
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else is more Calvinist economic theory? Then shopping at home
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depot and getting some some getting some jugs, right, gonna
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if you're gonna have a Nickel Creek band, by the way,
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not half as good as Nickel Creed my band.
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If you're gonna have a Nickel Creek type of band, you.
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Gotta have some jugs to hoot into, right hooting jugs?
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Look at them? Hoot and jugs? Are they?
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You might think, Oh, they're making clay because it's a
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reference to Romans nine and the clay and the Potter
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and Calvin isn't no no. That is Doug Wilson's Post
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eleven Z's cake that that guy is spinning on the
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That's a that's an entire daily Post eleven Zy's breakfast cake.
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The Smug Wilson eats on a daily basis right there.
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I like how the theme of the video is the
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potter and the clay and he's making the vessel as
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if someone handmakes the mass produced home depot clay pots.
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They're not made, They're made by machines.
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Idiot.
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He's got his eyes closed as he sings. Are we
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supposed to think this is what's going on in Doug
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Wilson's mind as he's singing a song, he's dreaming about
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the guy who's forming a giant pastry on the the
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clay thing for him after lunch. Is that Is that
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how I am supposed to interpret this video? It's coded.
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I'm trying to decode it right here. And why are
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they out in the field with If you're gonna be
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in the field, maybe don't put in your shot the
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piece of ship family san Subaru over there, Like, get
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me put the field in the background and not the
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giant vance refrigeration van ad behind you.
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We want to take up Pharaoh's hogg.
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To bring it down, then the whole Egyptian on the ground.
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Cook Doug cook o, you.
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Say, well, you say, old gyps, you would pop the
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Lord is God.
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And.
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Oh the Lord is God, and you are not let
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these boomers cook. Now, let these boomers cook. You just
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got put in your place, you arrogant works righteousness man,
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you thought you could be saved by your works. Maybe
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you need to take a trip to home Depot with
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Doug Wilson and be humbled son.
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Anyway, and uh, what is the what the heck is
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with this weirdo with the ear ring?
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Is this a member of Doug's church? So are they
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having like secret service fantasies.
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At Doug's church? Like what they're like what would be
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a cool look? Oh?
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I know, uh, secret service agents.
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Or blues brothers.
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I think they're trying to go with blues brothers, right,
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because it's like folk blues, I guess. And they're just
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singing romans nine. Oh yes, let's bring in our boomer wives.
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The ire go.
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Oh look at that God is like Louisville slugger who
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just destroys his his creations as he so wills. Because
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because Calvinism, dog.
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This is so cranch.
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Is that Doug Wilson's wife? Is he married to a grandma?
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I mean that sounds like Calvinism. Who is this boomer
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with this this? I want to be secret service member
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with this They're like, I want to let's do Secret
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Service agents, but let's have let's have peppermint striped ties.
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I don't get it.
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Douglas is like, my beloved grandmother wife, would you please
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be in my music video? Just sing in the background.
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That's all you gotta do, Just sing in the background.
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You know.
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They were like, just like so eager to let loose
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their pent up Calvinist rage by doing this stupid little
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bat scene with the mass produced china pots made out
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of who knows what from home depot. You know, this
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is going to be such a powerful visual symbolic statement
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when we hit these clay pots with the Louisville slugger.
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Anyway, and then then he's still going. He's like no,
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He's like, you guys thought we were done.
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I've got five more clay pots that I'm gonna throw.
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At you that you get to smash. And then.
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Secret Service boomer is look at this.
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You know they're they're they're rages coming out of oh yeah.
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And then they were like, what if we.
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Get every tumble problem?
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Whoa do you hear that?
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They turned the electric God, they turned the little the
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little switch to make it electric. They went from blues
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folk to electric it got edgy? Did y'all see did
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y'all hear and see the edge? Yeah, of course it is.
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Y'all didn't know smug Wilson. Look, look, I thumbed down
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this like five years ago. It's still got my thumbs
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down from like five years ago.
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Anyway.
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Yeah, Doug Wilson is a fat piece of crap. If
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you didn't know, somebody said basic experts said, for five dollars,
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is Doug playing the wrong note? Because if he is,
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it's actually the wrong note, it's actually the right note
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because he was predestined to play it boom exactly. Yeah,
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doesn't this make you want to be a columnist hanging
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out with with gigantic fat gut boomers in the in
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a field advanced refrigeration?
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Look at that? Did they think this way?
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Was this the ad for like this guy who's in
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the band? I guarantee it's the drummer right, and he's like.
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I've always wanted to be in a rock and roll video,
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But hey, Doug, could we put my fork refrigeration.
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Van in the background to be like advertising. I'll pay
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five hundred dollars for the Clay.
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Potts in the video. If you put my van in
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the background, fork refrigeration. Fork Refrigeration is the guy's name Fork.
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I guess eating utensils is an appropriate name for people
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at Doug Wilson's church, because I mean, Doug Wilson's got
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Doug Wilson looks like he's about to give birth.
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I mean, look at that. Whoa dude? More like double Wilson.
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Look at that damn dude, Doug Wilson's Doug Wilson is
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the size of a refrigerator man. Look at that guy
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held He could play a He could play John Goodman
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before John Goodman was skinny. Anyway, doesn't that make you
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want to be a Calvinist?
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There you go, Oh my gosh.
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You know, the exterior of a person oftentimes does indicate
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the interior of the person. This is something that a
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lot of people don't think about. Not in every case.
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It is possible to be a loving, humble person if
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you're overweight, if you're disfigured, But in a lot of
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cases it's not actually the truth. The fact, physiognomy is
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a really good indicator.
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Of character. Why is that, Well, in the case.
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Of very portly individuals, this signifies a gluttonous tendency. I
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understand that some people can have, you know, thyroid issues
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or whatever, but that's not always the case, and it's
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a sign of a lack of self control. Now, this
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is something that is a little more relevant and interesting
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than this ridiculous, crappy music video from Doug Wilson. But
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there's a guy who wrote an article who was in
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the CREC, which is Doug Wilson's made up denomination. So
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he just basically created his own denomination, which is a
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traditional Reformed Catholic church that can kind of be whatever
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you want it to be. So if you want to
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practice paedo communion you can. If you want to be
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a Baptist and not baptize your infants and not practice
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pato community, you can. If you want to wear collars
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and larp as an Anglican or a Catholic priest in
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the series C, you can't. Or you can dress like
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Billy Bob Baptist, it doesn't matter. It's a ridiculous, obvious,
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made up boomer thing. But that's the Doug Wilson invented
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denomination of which Doug Wilson is the pope of the denomination.
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Now there's a lot of scandals, a lot of drama
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over the years. You can find these articles where people
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have called out and complained about Doug Wilson over the
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last two decades, three decades back to the early two thousands.
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But for whatever reason, Doug is getting a little more
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traction because unfortunately Tucker Tucker had Doug Wilson on. Tucker
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had smug Wilson on, which was a huge mistake because
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to prop up and push.
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This idiot is just gonna end up being for the worst.
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Now, the main issues I would have assumed from not
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kind of keeping up with Doug Wilson in the last
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several years was well, he's a Calvinist, and so he's
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gonna have this standard sort of Calvinist aires. Apparently, according
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to Jeff Moss, who's a former series pastor Converted Orthodoxy.
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A few years ago, Jeff sent me an essay that
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he wrote detailing and outlining some of the actual anti
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trinitarian made up positions that Doug Wilson has, which I
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didn't know. This is kind of crazy. Apparently he and
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I don't exactly even I don't even know if Doug
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Wilson knows what he means when he writes these things.
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But I saw I was reading some of the paragraphs
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in the quote in Jeff's article. Apparently Doug Wilson thinks
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that the father. Okay, you're gonna think, well, this sounds
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like monarchical trinitarianism. It's not the first thing I thought
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when I heard this one. That sounds like the orthodox
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view of monarchical trinitarianism. No, no, no, Doug Wilson thinks
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that the father is authority and the son is obedience.
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You heard me, right, The Father as the subject, the cause,
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the fount, etcetera. The divine subject. The Father, according to
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Doug Wilson, is authority, the son is obedience, like in
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an identity sense. What I mean, I don't know what that.
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I've never even heard of this, So apparently I don't
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know if Doug Wilson heard people talking about monarchical trinitarianism
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and then utilize that to put it into his patriarchal
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Calvinist mold, and so he thought he could capitalize on
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the idea of the father as the fount and the
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monarchy of the triad and turn it into some sort
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of authority subjection role is what it sounds like. But
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that is not what those words mean. Okay, yeah, the
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father is in a sense the authority. He is the source.
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But the father as a person or a hypostasis is
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not authority. Like it's bizarre. The sun is not as
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a hypostasis obedience. It's weird and according to Jeff, but
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I've not looked into all of these positions. Again, I
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haven't even thought about this dude until he popped up
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on Tucker and then I think he's on CNN more
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recently for Christian nationalism, which we talked about a little
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bit here and there to I do want to comment
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on that here in a set, Let's see if we
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can find what Doug Wilson is talking about on I'm
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not gonna watch a whole interview, but thirty minutes. Now,
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keep in mind, nobody really watches CNN except like the
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lowest IQ liberal boomers.
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That's it. You gotta be like.
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Really dumb to be watching, you know, CNN, totally out
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of touch. So I would assume this is intended to
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provoke the ninety IQ boomer left that watches. And so
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what they do is they tailor this to rage bait
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their audience, as if Doug Wilson is this massively influential,
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powerful force out there.
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My channel is bigger than Doug wilson channel.
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I mean, unless he's blown up since the Tucker discussion,
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I think my channel is still.
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Bigger than Doug Wilson.
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So let's see. I think they have a couple. They
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have blog and may blog and canon Press. So let's see.
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So my channel is like almost four times bigger than
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blog and may blog.
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And let's see what can impress is at.
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And I'm only pointing this out because like this shows
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you that, I mean, this is not can Impress one
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hundred and seventeen thousand. So between the two, they don't
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even have the audience that we have over here. But
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he's being pushed by now these sort of mainstream and
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alternative outlets.
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I don't know why, perhaps because people sort of look
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to this guy.
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And when this goofy Navy seal guy who is so
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intelligent that he's debunked bitcoin for many years, Yeah, exactly,
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This genius Navy seal who understands everything from special operations
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to deep theological issues, who shares the gospel with Joe
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Rogan debunked bitcoin and lost out on quite a bit
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of money because he's so smart. Well, Doug Wilson's been
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commenting on this and talking about how this amazing veteran
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shared the gospel with Joe Rogan.
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So perhaps.
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We must call out smug Wilson because he's now quote
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going viral, and even Rouselan is over here covering. But
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where is the going viral part? Because I mean, I'm
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not saying he's not. I'm just trying to figure out, like,
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where is the viral part? Because this has twenty seven
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thousand views on CNN. That's pitiful, dude, So I'm not
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sure where the viral part is. But maybe there is
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some area where he's going viral. I don't know what
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makes this community here in Moscow so unique. Oh the
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other thing that CNN wanted to do I forgot to mention,
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is that they want to portray this as like Doug
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Wilson is what Handmade's Tale is warning about. Right, So
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what Doug Wilson's going to cause jd Vance to run
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next election and create a Christian Nationalist in concentration camp
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America where we're all going to be put into camps
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except for me because I'm a man.
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I'll be good.
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But all the women are going to be in camps
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and be forced.
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To be breeders.
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And also remember all the global elite have written thousands
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of pages for the last sixty seventy eight hundred years
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about depopulation. Another real threat is that they're going to
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make women into breeders when the Christian nationalists take over.
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Christian nationalism is not a real threat.
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I do not.
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Believe that these people are good people. These people are
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total scumbacks. And I'm sure within this domain of the
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online Christian nationalist sphere, I'm sure there's in there. I
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am not agreeing with James Lindsay right with the woke
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right and everyone's a FED and all, you're all FEDS.
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If you believe in if you want you, if you
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don't believe in Enlightenment, atheism and the Freemasonic founding of America,
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you must be a woke right FED. I mean, that's
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as ridiculous as these people. But one thing that I
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do know from reading and studying this domain for many
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many years alternative media as well as espionage and co
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intelpro and all these kinds of things, the first people
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that start calling everybody FEDS, they're usually the FEDS. Now
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not always, because now we're in this situation where everybody's
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calling everybody fed. So it's like, now we don't know
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because who's even first. I mean, everybody's been calling everybody
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a fed now for a long time.
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And.
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It's hard to say, like exactly who it is isn't
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a FED. And I remember remember back at the time
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of Seaville, and I was telling everybody, I wouldn't waste
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my time going to Seaville, and I was completely right
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because everything that went, everybody went to Seaville, many of
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them people had their lives runed. So it's the oldest
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trick in the book that what the establishment does is
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co opt, choose, pick, infiltrate, turn people into assets. Classic
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example of this was when Hawl Turner, the famous.
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White in radio host, it came out that he was.
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A FED, and he had been for many many years,
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for example, attacking Lord Valdemot and Lord Baltimore.
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For many many years.
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Said that guy's got to be a FED because he's
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allowed to say the craziest, wildest stuff. He doesn't get
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in any trouble, and it's like way beyond the pale, right,
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I'm not saying that anybody who says one inflammatory or
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wild thing.
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Oh, you're automatically fed.
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That.
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Not necessarily, but like, if you're able to consistently call
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for violence and this kind of stuff, then and you
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don't get in any trouble on a regular basis. For example,
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we saw not just Hal Turner back in the day
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doing that.
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We saw.
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That weird black dude that ran remember the ten years
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ago the New Black Panther Party.
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Remember that guy, and he was like.
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All these white women when they lay down on their
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back and when they give birth, they I'll give him
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birth to a regiment of soldiers that will culle black people.
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Remember that.
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And then there was that other black dude that wore
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the glasses and it was in for like regiments of brothers.
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It's like, if you're able to do this on a
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consistent basis.
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And you don't end up in jail, you might be it.
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You might be a fit r.
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I will turn into Jeff Fox Jeff fed Worthy over here.
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If you're able to call for violence on a regular
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basis and you don't get in troubling, you might be
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a feed.
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Right, Jeff Fedworthy, Jacob Kabey, Clay Pott. Cooler than an.
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Office space, copy machines. I think you're talking about Doug
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Wilson's amazing rock.
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And roll video.
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Christopher Scott five dollars, what's up man, Thank you so much.
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00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.480
Contemporary Committee, five dollars, Father Agan and I should join
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00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.839
Doug Wilson's band with his ukulele. He was just in here.
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He missed that great joke. So yeah, FDA, I think
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does play music in uh bluegrass. And then he he
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just missed that joke. He was just in here. Oh well,
518
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.840
and then see now the whole So now everybody thinks
519
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:16.000
every influencer and yapping head or what was Jamie? So
520
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.679
they're called face lords, all the face lords now right,
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00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.079
everyone's a fed now, Hassan Piker, al Right, the chat
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says Hassana fed.
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I Doves is a fed. Oh Sam hidees a fed.
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00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.519
Oh j Dot, I'm KGB. We all know that I'm
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00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.599
not a fed dude. I'm KGB bro.
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00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:40.000
I'm a KGB sorceress, not a sorcerer sorceress. Hence, Adiva
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00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.360
Tucker's a fed, Candas is a fed lord, Valdemort's a fed,
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00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.119
Nick's a fed, Jay's a fed. Everyone's a fed. I
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00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.719
got an idea, what if we what if everybody applies
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to the f beyond the CIA and we all become
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00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:01.239
FEDS and then nobody's a fed. Boom, we just beat
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00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:02.920
the system, dude, from the inside out.
533
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:06.400
You ever thought of that?
534
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:22.800
KGB baby contemporary competitive set FDA should joined Doug Wilson
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for his little yukulele thing.
536
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.840
For a bit chin sola? What is bit chin is? That?
537
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Is that the Doug Wilson Triple Chin band. Doug Wilson
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in the Triple Chins. That's the name of his, that's
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the name of his. Uh Calvinist bluegrass man. Do everyone's
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00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.199
a fed? Sam shimund Oh, totally a fed? Everyone's everybody's
541
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a fed? Who The question is who's not right? That's
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00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:54.840
the We gotta figure out who's not a fed?
543
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:55.079
Now?
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Everybody's We're all everyone, literally everyone is a fed now.
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00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.639
And it's kind of hard to prove that too, you
546
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know what I mean, Like you can suspect, oh, he
547
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.360
might be because this didn't happen, or this happened and
548
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.639
this didn't happen, and then it's like, well, if that
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is enough, then everyone's a fit.
550
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Now.
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FWIN tests did state today, which is an interesting.
552
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Point that or was he. I don't remember it's yesterday
553
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or today, but.
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The letter that was it Fanny Willis wrote at the
555
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direction of Bill Barr Cia. Bill Barr was that there's
556
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a list of people that need to be targeted and
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the last three were Lord Voldemort.
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00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.039
I forget who the other one was, and then the
559
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last one was Nick. So that is an interesting piece
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of data that has come forward. But I mean, I
561
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don't know who knows inquire longer two dollars?
562
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:14.360
Does then do Eastern Catholics have sacraments since they have
563
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the same theology, Well, they don't exactly have the same theology.
564
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So in other words, just because you affirm the essence,
565
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synergy distinction or something like that, it doesn't matter if
566
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you're also in communion with this gigantic antichrist system. Right so,
567
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.000
and technically they also affirm papal supremacy, Vatican one and
568
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.840
all those things. Father Digan and nice you missed. People
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are saying that you should join Doug Wilson's uh Bluegrass Calvinists,
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Edge Lord Band, Boomer Edge Lord Band because you have
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a quote little ukulele. I don't know what that reference is.
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00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.079
I mean, that's what they said, not me so. Quote
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references to your little ukulele. That's what the super chatters.
574
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Are saying, not me so. But maybe there is a
575
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future for Calvinist.
576
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.400
He's kind of Calvin's bluegrass band.
577
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:15.440
Yeah, you didn't hear me playing the clip.
578
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.039
No, I'm sorry, I did not hear you.
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You're expected to be here on time for every single
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time exactly.
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That stinks, man.
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Why you didn't get in it. You didn't get in
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the band quick enough. You didn't make the cut. That's
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what I wasn't part of the elect You weren't elect
585
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That's good.
586
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Shoot man, all that dirty's up bluegrass.
587
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.199
Well, we're just going to be like, well, we don't
588
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like your kind of blue grass plays here.
589
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:53.079
Well, Doug Wilson is going to institute and is a
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Calvinist Islamic dictatorship where women lose all their rights. This
591
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.760
because this CNN interview has twenty seven thousand views, like
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I get more views on some of my live streams
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of this.
594
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:17.239
Isn't he in Idaho? He is isn't his address? She's
595
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in Idaho?
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And in fact, I remember talking to Father George Quoro
597
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that people at his parish are becoming interested in Orthodoxy
598
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.000
probably because they're seeing the.
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Failure of Doug Wilson. So right, let's pray for that. Well.
600
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:39.280
Actually, the Doug Wilson domain has for twenty years now,
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after the Federal Vision Conference, it has been a pretty
602
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.360
consistent conduit to people converting Orthodoxy. I know tons of
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00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:51.199
people who became Orthodox.
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Out of the Doug Wilson sphere. Yeah.
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And the reason for that, as I said, was that
606
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back in two thousand and two and three, James Jordan,
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Doug Wilson, and Peter Leiheart started reading Alexander Schmiman and
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they found a lot of Schmilmann's arguments for Eucharist and
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for pedal communion very appealing and convincing.
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00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.480
But hey, why.
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Convert the Orthodoxy when you can create your own made
612
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up church?
613
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Yeah, you just pick and choose and build your own
614
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.360
now I think. Yeah, the last.
615
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.400
Time you were doing X space, something really interesting we
616
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.360
were talking about, uh, or you were talking about when
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I was inside your head talking to you to talk
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to the people after we did the FDA neural fitbit
619
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you know, installed into your head that.
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These people would come out of cults.
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And then do you remember we'd have a lot of
622
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people had called in who had come out of cults,
623
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and you found that really interesting.
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And then.
625
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:01.920
This went into.
626
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.519
Kind of a deep guy discussion that you were you
627
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.519
were giving about campus crusade.
628
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:18.280
And it's interesting because you know, the EOC was part
629
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:19.440
of campus crusade.
630
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.840
Yeah, that's that's what we covered in that lost live stream.
631
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.840
That Watchman Meee was closely associated with campus crusade, as
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00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:31.079
was the Evangelical Orthodox Church, which is essentially what Doug
633
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.679
Wilson's doing now, but back in the nineteen seventies.
634
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.760
Now keep in mind, not all of that group became
635
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.679
Orthodox right right, And seemed to me.
636
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That they were doing something very similar is that they
637
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.960
were like, well, we like this, and we'll just build this.
638
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.920
And tack this on and have our own.
639
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.000
And who knows the EOC at large might have that
640
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.920
kind of mentality. I think that you know, Father Peter
641
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.239
Gilquist and Lebrons and all the kind of people that
642
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.280
are involved in that. I think they kind of came
643
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.400
to their senses and realized, we we can't do this,
644
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:12.760
We've got to be under authority, and that, you know,
645
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caused a break. But you know, this is what happened
646
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.559
up here in Montana as well, Misinta Cole.
647
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.519
But the Scott's.
648
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:31.079
If you remember the megachurch here in Missoui over in Missoula, Montana,
649
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.719
it's like two thousand people. And this became like all
650
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:38.000
the news last year, like oh my gosh, Scott's talking
651
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:41.079
about like orthodoxy and like we're going to two thousand.
652
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:46.360
It's going to be like an eoc And well they
653
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:47.480
were doing the same thing.
654
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.159
Now Scott left that, he stepped down and we made
655
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.639
him father Andrew and I and Father Russell made it
656
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a cate Ofcuman. So like he's he's in. He's no
657
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.320
longer associated with that church. But what happened is the
658
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:02.480
rest of the people were like.
659
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.360
Well, we like all these things and we'll build this, but.
660
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That other.
661
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We don't want.
662
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:15.480
It's such a Protestant.
663
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:20.480
It's a totally Protestant mentality. Yeah, I pick and choose
664
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.159
what I want, what I how I want to.
665
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Make the church.
666
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.199
And so everybody everybody's talking about Rid Vaughan, ap. I mean,
667
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.079
I don't I don't know what to say because I
668
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:33.079
tried to explain to him, to David Wood, to everybody
669
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.079
that I mean, all you can do is continue to
670
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.159
try to reason with people and if they want to
671
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.559
go on a crusade for Zionism, I mean, what do
672
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.079
you what?
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00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:44.599
What do you? What am I supposed to?
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00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.519
There's nothing I can do, so I mean what I
675
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typically do when uh. And I think FDA would agree
676
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.119
with this approach too. Is you know, when you meet
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people a lot nowadays we live a lot of times,
678
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.599
meet people online. You try to be as an influence
679
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as you can, and then you give it time. And
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after a while, when it becomes evident that you know
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people are going in their own direction and you know
682
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they're not interested in your position or what you're trying
683
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:17.599
to help them with, you do you let people go? H.
684
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It's the same with it's not mouth sound if father Deacon,
685
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can you mute when you're not if you're I'm not
686
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.039
telling you about to talk, but just when you're not talking,
687
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:34.760
because we hear a lot of background noise. So you know,
688
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.480
you give it time and then you move on. For example,
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with Sam Schimun, Uh. You know, I maintained a friendly
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relationship with him for four years somewhere in there, five
691
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maybe five, and then out of nowhere, you know, I
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asked him in Goofus to do a debate and everything
693
00:44:54.840 --> 00:45:00.079
spiraled out of control. There time to move on. So
694
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that's what I think. I mean, that's the only way
695
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really to navigate not just the sphere of media, but
696
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your life as well. When people are not interested, there's
697
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.320
not much else you can do.
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I mean, if if AP is gonna call.
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00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:18.719
Very respectful Orthodox priests like Father John Whiteford liar, it's
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time to just move on.
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I don't know what else to do.
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00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.280
I mean, if they're not going to listen to people
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00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:26.480
in the Orthodox Church, then they can just move on
704
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:30.239
to I guess he would go to evangelicalism.
705
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:30.199
Or something like that.
706
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.880
But don't you think that's the wise course of action here.
707
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:35.239
It's like at a certain point, you just if people
708
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are not interested, what are you gonna do? Just make
709
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videos calling them out every day? What's the point?
710
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.280
It's a waste?
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I mean, shoot, I should start teaching courses just in
712
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time management, like are you managing your time?
713
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Like? Why are you wasting your time with.
714
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:52.119
That's a good way to put it. Yeah, it's also
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your own.
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00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.000
Time, right, Like it's in your own time. You're not
717
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gonna it doesn't look like you could convince them then
718
00:45:59.199 --> 00:45:59.679
then move on.
719
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.719
Put through you know, energy into other stuff like and
720
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he can't force somebody.
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00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.800
To play something to.
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Like, so I I like, you know, the best thing
723
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I always thought for him and the process of his
724
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catechsis and maybe even new fight get off the internet.
725
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Right.
726
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.400
We've seen this with a lot of people who.
727
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:32.320
You know, uh, big Internet presence and converted to Orthodoxy.
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It's extremely difficult for and for their own humility and growth.
729
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:44.519
It would be best that I think, you know, get
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out there, just log off.
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I mean, look what Roos did. I'm really proud of.
732
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Right, And that might be also because he kind of thought,
733
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you know, he might want to go into monastic life.
734
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I don't know if he has or that that was
735
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kind of the rumor going around. That might have been
736
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.920
what spurred him to just leave the internet. But yeah,
737
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I mean here's two versions of conversion that uh, you know,
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Rouge was making a living on the internet, so he
739
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was in many ways kind of giving.
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Up his his.
741
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.320
Yeah, right by by deciding to become Orthodox and choosing
742
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to you know, stop yapping on the internet for a while.
743
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You know.
744
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Kat Vonde is another example who you know, she she
745
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doesn't she's not really a teacher, but you know, she
746
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continues to do her music and talks about or shows
747
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.519
visual imagery of Orthodoxy. But she's not trying to like
748
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teach everybody. She's not obnoxiously like on Twitter sounding off
749
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.239
against you know, everybody and every and all the you know,
750
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.840
all the people out there as if she knows better
751
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.039
when she's only been in this for what a year
752
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:55.559
or whatever?
753
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.800
So shene Who's another good.
754
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Example, you know, he's a friend of mine. I'm going
755
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to see him this weekend. But Scott Cloud, who's the
756
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:06.559
was the pastor.
757
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A megachurch pastor.
758
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.480
Yeah, I mean, think about what he had and I'm
759
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going to bring him on. I'm an interview.
760
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I think he has what do they call that?
761
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.599
It's an agreement with the church when he stepped down
762
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that he would remain a quiet about it for a
763
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period of time.
764
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What is that call? It's illegal?
765
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I don't know, an da.
766
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Yes, anyways, a mega church India.
767
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Here's a man who had celebrity status, he really did,
768
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huge income and laid it all aside to become Orthodox,
769
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:55.960
probably like cast out a lot of a lot of
770
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:56.960
you know hate.
771
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That's an and he he hasn't gone on and been
772
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:05.079
like well, you know what I'm gonna do.
773
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I'mna just roll this into a podcast or like I'll
774
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.199
build he knew the right way. He was like humbled
775
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.039
himself to step down out of the limelight. And that's
776
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:21.599
another somebody had a huge fallen, big celebrity status and
777
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so I'm really proud of him too. Yeah, I mean,
778
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just right ways and wrong ways to do things.
779
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I don't know what to say, one can read.
780
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.719
The other thing too, is to be kind of close
781
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to your confessor or spiritual father when you're doing this,
782
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because he's gonna be the one that guide you in.
783
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Something that you've talked.
784
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.719
About that you've noticed a lot is that the people
785
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who's inquiring in catechumen phases go bad, usually they stop
786
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doing that and they go off on their own, right.
787
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.159
Yeah, they're making all their own decisions especially.
788
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I mean, look, we're not saying you can't have like
789
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a online you know, and do stuff like that, but uh,
790
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you should be You shouldn't be doing it by it.
791
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You should be getting guidance from your spiritual and priests,
792
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like what do I do? You know, how do I
793
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move forward to this? If I have a public persona
794
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or something like that, otherwise you're your own person. I mean,
795
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first of all, I already do that, you know, with
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my own social media and participate faith.
797
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I don't make my own decisions. I have a whole
798
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board and.
799
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Priests where I'm like, this is a good idea, it's
800
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going to be you know, what should I do?
801
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That's as orthodoxy.
802
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You know, And I'm not saying you need to call
803
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your priests be like should I go to home people today?
804
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.760
Or what about this?
805
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Or what like?
806
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You know what, I mean, you can get autistic about,
807
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but you know what I'm generally saying, like you should
808
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have the the insight to know, but like this is
809
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an issue, perhaps it's a career decision that's gonna affect
810
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you're like perhap apps and stuff that you're online, Like, yeah,
811
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you should be talking to you a price about it.
812
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.719
You shouldn't be making your own decisions on And like
813
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you said, no, I don't think these people are doing that.
814
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.599
And is it a shocker that they run off the
815
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:19.400
rails and start saying stuff and doing stuff? It's mal very.
816
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.599
Orthodox, right alphinism, what's up? Man? I'm mute, thank you.
817
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.639
I appreciate that for alphinism. What's up? You want to
818
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:26.599
I'm mute.
819
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Alpha Alphonsie and I'm mute.
820
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.719
You're on, You're on, Okay.
821
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:39.199
Let me come.
822
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:40.119
I'm gonna come back.
823
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.719
I'm gonna talk to uh my godsriend about tags but
824
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:46.320
that we're doing, and I'll get back to you.
825
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:50.320
Okay, I'll come back on Alphonsi and do you want
826
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.840
to talk? You're right here waiting on you. I'm mute.
827
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:57.119
You're a Roman Catholic and you waited this whole time
828
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:03.159
to not talk. Okay, good job, dude. It's raptor. What's up?
829
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:03.400
Man?
830
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:16.599
It's raptor on you.
831
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:21.719
Nobody knows how to work this, Like, hello, can you
832
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:22.000
hear me?
833
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:22.239
How?
834
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:22.480
What's that?
835
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:22.760
Man?
836
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:24.079
Hey?
837
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.000
Just wanted to quickly say, first off, but I'm a
838
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:27.800
big fan of what you do.
839
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.400
I appreciate what you're doing, and I'm a believer in God.
840
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.039
But I guess the only question I had regarding the
841
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transcendental argument, which is one that I believe firmly well,
842
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:43.199
one reputation that I see most commonly amongst atheists who
843
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.920
try to refute TAG is try to involve the plate
844
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.360
in his view to try to see if these transcendental
845
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.320
categories could be grounded in the materialistic world view, which
846
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:54.719
I know you have some contentions with. You can't really
847
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.639
ground things in the materialistic worldview. But as a beginner
848
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:03.760
to physics and philosophy and all these kinds of things,
849
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.039
I'm learning here, So I always wanted to ask you
850
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:06.760
how tag.
851
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.719
Yeah, just look up the critiques that we have of
852
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.000
Platonism and neoplatonism. I mean, Platonism can't give an account
853
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.159
for why there is many versus one.
854
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:18.719
It's just stated to be the case.
855
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:24.480
Platonism has no justification for why one is metaphysically superior
856
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.239
to the many, for why eternality and states this is
857
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.559
metaphysically superior to change. Platonism has no way to ground
858
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:40.400
or relate the timeless, unchanging rum of the forms to
859
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:46.000
the world of flux and change, because the things are
860
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.960
cashed out in Platonism as opposites. So if they're opposites,
861
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.159
then there's no relationship between the two. And I know
862
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:56.760
that Plato thinks that there are analogous and participatory relations,
863
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:00.400
but it doesn't make sense as to why. So you
864
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.400
also need intentionality and personhood for the absolute. Plato's absolute
865
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:09.079
is an impersonal monad, and so there is no then
866
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.719
order or meaning in the world because this world is
867
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:17.480
ultimately in a diminished ontological status that is a pale
868
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.360
reflection of the ideal or the original or the one.
869
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.719
So this world is a prison, this world is a trap,
870
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.840
This world is something to escape from. And that's the
871
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.320
opposite of the Christian perspective, where this world is good,
872
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:34.760
this world is something to appreciate, and God stepped in
873
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.320
the time and space in order to heal this world
874
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.159
in this dimension, in this realm. That's the opposite of
875
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.639
the Platonic perspective. And so Platonism is based on a
876
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:46.360
lot of dialectics that it can't overcome. And again, if
877
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:52.840
reality as a whole is dysteleological or non intentional, then
878
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.679
you don't have a justification for telos tellos or meaning
879
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.679
because ultimate reality, the absolute, is impersonal, So you need
880
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.599
a personal deity for all of collective reality to be intentional.
881
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:15.440
D Hello, Yeah, what's up?
882
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:18.440
Oh wow, that's crazy? How's going?
883
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:20.800
What's crazy?
884
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:21.639
Oh?
885
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:22.599
I didn't I guess.
886
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.719
I didn't expect to be accepted that quickly.
887
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:31.400
How's it going, man, local, it's.
888
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:38.840
Crazy, I'm fluent, It's not really so I just had
889
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:45.320
a question about your views on creationism and uh evolution.
890
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.480
And I've heard in clips from you before, and if
891
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:51.880
that's okay, if you're if that's a topic you're willing
892
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.119
to speak about, I guess.
893
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.000
The topics are pretty much anything. Yeah, I don't believe
894
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:57.719
in macro evolution.
895
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.320
I'm a skeptic of that, okay.
896
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:05.239
And one of the things I've heard you say is
897
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.599
based on the underdeterminization of.
898
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:14.800
Data, underdetermination or underdetermination of data. Sorry, And I guess
899
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:16.840
what you reference in that is that the data can
900
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:18.840
be interpreted either way.
901
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.320
If I'm understanding that correctly.
902
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:24.360
Yeah, that's a topic in the philosophy of science. That
903
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:28.639
has to do with the fact that multiple paradigms can
904
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:34.039
interpret raw data accurately and sufficiently. So raw data itself
905
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:40.519
can't necessarily tell you which is the right paradigm.
906
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:43.360
Right, And I guess wouldn't a prerequisite of that be
907
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:48.639
that the creation's paradigm explains the raw data sufficiently.
908
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:49.679
Well?
909
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:53.239
The point is that you could conceivably have in both
910
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:58.440
paradigms explanations for I don't know, endogenous retroviruses. Both a
911
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:03.280
creation account and a evolutionary account can say why we
912
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:07.280
see something like this, or why we see similarity in
913
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.679
DNA between a human and a chimp and a lizard.
914
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:15.800
So both models can explain that. And so the point
915
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.880
is that in most of the evolutionary or scientism dominated paradigms,
916
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:24.920
they think of these Hold on a second, they think
917
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:29.480
of the the data being able to tell you which
918
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:33.280
paradigm is true, and it doesn't. So the point is not.
919
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:37.599
The point is more than just that the creationist account
920
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.960
can account for the similarity in the in the in
921
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:41.679
the design of different beings.
922
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:48.400
And when you say account for or explain, are you
923
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:51.760
using a scientific definition to consider that, or.
924
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.840
It's a question of epistemology, meaning justification in a broader sense.
925
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:02.159
So I'm using the philosophical term in epistemology for how
926
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.320
we account for our paradigms, our world views, our presuppositions,
927
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:12.119
or axioms. Okay, philosophy of science is its own discipline.
928
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:16.360
If you take some philosophy courses or epistemology classes, you'll
929
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.320
get into what's called a niche discipline called philosophy of science.
930
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:23.559
And that's where this underdetermination of data thesis comes from.
931
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:30.599
Okay, and I guess you know philosophy science. But when
932
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:35.480
you get down to actual science, wouldn't there be requisites
933
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.840
to being what can be adequately explained by a particular
934
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.039
model or another.
935
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:41.920
Science?
936
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.000
In terms of empirical sense, data cannot tell you what
937
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.400
paradigm model is correct because it goes beyond the purview
938
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:50.639
of scientific empirical sense data.
939
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:51.920
That's a very limited tool.
940
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.199
So do you Hey, science can't tell us what's wrong
941
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:56.920
and right, So you think that it can't tell you
942
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:57.559
what I.
943
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.159
Said, So you're just making assumptions. You didn't listen to
944
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:00.760
what I said.
945
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:06.679
I said, Okay, data is limited as empirical sense data
946
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:12.840
and can't tell you what paradigm or worldview is correct.
947
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:14.559
Right.
948
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:19.719
A worldview would be a separate topic because a worldview
949
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:23.239
could be could be a misinterpretation as well correct.
950
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.079
Like, wouldn't you have to the worldview that you.
951
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.239
Know whether there is or isn't a god wouldn't necessarily
952
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.039
be Let me give an idea whether there is or
953
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.400
isn't evolution, or the Earth is or isn't.
954
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.079
Don't you're not understanding what we're talking about here. I'm
955
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:40.960
talking about a domain of philosophy called epistemology, and you
956
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:46.280
continue to think of it in the realm of scientific experimentation.
957
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:50.400
I'm saying that epistemology is prior to that because it's
958
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:55.519
asking more fundamental, broader questions about how science is possible.
959
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:59.440
That's the issue at root that is being debated, not
960
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:02.000
whether or not we do science, or whether or not
961
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.960
science can tell us facts about the natural world. I'm
962
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.800
saying that science is like a tool, but a tool
963
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:13.360
can't tell you where the universe came from, or where even.
964
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:14.199
The tool came from.
965
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:17.360
The tool has a use, but it's limited in the
966
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:21.079
scope of what it can tell you. So the scientific method,
967
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.760
for example, can't tell you how we got the scientific method,
968
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:26.760
or whether the scientific method is reliable.
969
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.559
Well, that would that would be a separate question, yes,
970
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:37.119
But I think the scientific method would be demonstrated reliable
971
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:38.440
by the fact that you use it.
972
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.039
You should you should take in a pistemology class, because
973
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.320
you're just stating sort of basic stuff that is not
974
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.760
even you're missing the point of what we're asking.
975
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The fact that you use is something as I.
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Have I have.
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I can tell by what you're saying that you haven't
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or you didn't list and you slept through it.
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Okay, I mean that's that's fair idea kind of avoiding
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this seems like a way of you trying to avoid
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the fact that you have no.
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You literally don't understand what I'm saying. You want it
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to sound smart on the stream, and you're not aware
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of the basics, and so you're not You don't even
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know what I'm talking about.
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Tell me what justified true belief is?
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I was actually just because what.
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Is justified true belief? Can I ask you what is
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justified true belief?
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Can?
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Can I ask you what.
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Is justified true belief?
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Justified true belief, I would say, is a belief that
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is demonstratably and repeatably true.
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01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.440
No, that's not what justified true belief means.
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That would be the first class, that would be the
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first thing that you would learn, because that's what you
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learn early on in epistemology.
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01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:53.320
Glasses.
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Okay, well I've taken one. It was a while ago.
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01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:57.800
How are you not aware of the basics?
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01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.960
Well, I mean I don't know, because it was, you know,
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twelve years ago.
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01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.400
And I'll do this every day like you, Jay.
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01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.159
I'm honestly trying to have a conversation with you. I'd
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like to ask you, Well, you have a.
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01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:16.159
Question I'm slowly and precisely answering and working through every
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question that you ask, and then you insert the insult
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01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:21.760
that I'm trying to avoid the questions that you're asking,
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01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.719
And that's what pisses me off. Why would I be
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01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.840
spending my time sitting here answering precisely your questions and
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01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:32.639
delineating the difference between a theory and a scientific thesis
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01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:34.960
and a paradigm if I'm trying to get away from
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01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:35.559
your questions.
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01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.320
Okay, I didn't mean it as an insult, and I'm
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sorry if I upset you.
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I really am not.
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01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.480
I honestly had seen some of your videos. I was
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01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.679
coming to ask because when you say that one of
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01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:55.679
the paradigms, both paradigms can adequately explain the raw data, I.
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01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:56.480
Don't understand that.
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01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.440
So I was coming to ask what you see from
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a creation perspective that would explain any of the data
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we see.
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So let me give you an example.
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01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:11.079
So, if I have a creationist model, if God created
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all the beings in his image, and primarily man in
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01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:18.199
his image, and then the created order has a single origin,
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01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:21.679
a single creator, that's one reason why we would see
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01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:25.480
similarity between the DNA of a human and a chimpanzee. Right,
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01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:31.519
the let me finish the The evolutionary model also says
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that I can explain the similarity, and that's because they
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have a common descent and line of origin. So both
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of those explanations explain.
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01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:42.000
I'm not it doesn't.
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01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.280
I know, you don't like one better than the other,
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01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:49.480
but they both have explanatory power. So you're misunderstanding that
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01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:53.760
under determination of data just simply means that you can't
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01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:56.880
just get more raw data because it's not going to
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tell you which paradigm is correct, because both can have
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01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:03.280
explanatory power for the same data.
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That's all it means.
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01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.639
It's not saying that Christianity is true because of underdetermination
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01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:11.800
of data thesis. That's the I never said that. It's
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01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:17.480
just simply saying that the data itself requires a theory,
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01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:20.760
and data is theory. Laden that's all it means.
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01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:25.079
Okay, And so just to respond what you said, and
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01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.320
then I'll be done unless you have a follow up.
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01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:33.880
So what you just said was that's not a scientific
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01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:38.119
explanation explanation. It sounds in a two second bit like,
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01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:40.280
oh well it's again.
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01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:42.239
You don't you don't even understand the bass.
1053
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.840
You don't even understand the basics because it's so stupid.
1054
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:48.159
Man. Honestly, what you're saying is so dumb. Man. I'm struggling.
1055
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:54.039
I've been very patient, and it's like, yeah, so, I mean,
1056
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.920
you don't even understand what are the basics of philosophy
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01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.440
science and why that's prior to the doing of science.
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01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.159
And we can make this really simple, really quick. How
1059
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:03.719
do you know the scientific method is.
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01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:07.480
True because you test it? And if you can, how.
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01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:08.880
Do you test the method itself?
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01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.519
The method itself, You make predictions and they have explanatory powers.
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01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:16.280
The method itself, you don't even understand. You can't even
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01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.880
understand the question I'm asking you. You think I'm asking
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01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:21.440
you if we do science and if science predicts things.
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01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:25.599
I'm asking you a higher order question the method itself,
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01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.840
the scientific method itself, is that under a microscope?
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01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.000
No, it's a logical principle.
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01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:33.320
Oh it's a logical principle.
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01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.800
Is logic found under a microscope?
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01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:37.199
No it's it's not.
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01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:39.400
Oh so you believe in things that you can't see.
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01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.159
I do believe in in thought, yes, Oh.
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01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:49.519
So logic is thought. Yes, logic is thought. So the scientific.
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01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.719
Method of describing thoughts society method is only in your head.
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01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:57.519
That, yeah, what do you think is like floating around
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01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:58.039
or something?
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Now?
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Right, so the scientific method is only in your head.
1080
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:01.920
Good job, dude.
1081
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.519
This is why it's impossible to talk to people who
1082
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:07.840
are extremely confident in their ignorance.
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01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:10.480
Eightly, what's up man?
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01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:14.960
He didn't even realize that he was walking right into
1085
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:19.360
the most ridiculous easy trap. Affirming that the scientific method
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01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:26.480
is thought and is in his head. Then you can't prove,
1087
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:30.039
test it or verify it if it's only in your head.
1088
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:32.519
And if you're a materialist, then what's in your head
1089
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.800
is just random neurons firing and it's not even actually
1090
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:37.480
a method.
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01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:43.599
It's like a dream. Amazing. Eightly, what's up man? I'm you.
1092
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.320
Let's up with Chalie. Thanks for having me up again.
1093
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:50.039
I just had a quick question I wanted to run
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01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:50.480
by you.
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01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:53.159
Somebody sent me some.
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01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:55.440
I think that Faraji guy or whatever his name is,
1097
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.920
the guy that used to be Oriental orthodoxical. But it
1098
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.239
made me think, and maybe you can drag meim wrong,
1099
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.599
But it seems to me that these sol scripture enjoyers,
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01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.960
they are textualists.
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01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:11.039
Basically, when it comes.
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01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:14.519
To the Bible, but when it comes to like the Constitution,
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01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.079
they would be orthodox or an originalist. Do you see
1104
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.519
that as like a contradictory standard between those two.
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01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.039
I mean, I think that they just kind of make
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01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:27.800
it up as they go.
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01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:33.440
I mean, I've met Protestants who believe that Marbury versus
1108
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:38.239
Madison was the beginning of the end of America because
1109
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:41.760
the Supreme Court was operating like a papal magisterium. So
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01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:44.639
it just really depends on what Protestant you're even talking about,
1111
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:48.320
Troy America, what's up? But I think ultimately overall it's inconsistent.
1112
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.360
I'm just like these people who are like Reddit science people.
1113
01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:54.119
They're so arrogant and so annoying, and.
1114
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:56.760
They don't even they had don't even know like how
1115
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.480
much they don't know. And then they come on and
1116
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:03.719
you tell them very precisely with your answers, and then they're.
1117
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:05.639
Like, who is avoiding when I'm asking you? Because the
1118
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:08.280
scientific meth, dude, the sith.
1119
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:10.239
The scientific methods like this deity that they appeal to,
1120
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:12.719
and then you start drilling into what it is, where
1121
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.760
it is, how it is, how do we justify it?
1122
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:17.560
And they just like said the stupidest stuff you've ever
1123
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:21.439
you've ever thought of. The scientific method is thoughts, and
1124
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:23.800
logic is thoughts in my head?
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01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:27.880
All right, jaking you hear me?
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01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:28.279
Yep.
1127
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.840
I wanted to say happy Bitcoin at.
1128
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:35.239
All time high day, although I think we're off by
1129
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.720
about one hundred there, we're right there, man, We're one
1130
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.319
hundred twenty three thousand right.
1131
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.079
Now, and congrats to the bros.
1132
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.159
And my question is do you think we'll hit it
1133
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.800
this stream? Do you think we'll hit it the end
1134
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:50.560
of the day? Right over the week? All time?
1135
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:50.720
Hi?
1136
01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:52.800
Uh?
1137
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:54.680
What was the all time high? Twelve?
1138
01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:58.760
So I'm looking at trading view here and I'm seeing
1139
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:05.680
one two three two six on July fourteenth, probably to night.
1140
01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:09.319
All right, I'm hoping, all right, thank you.
1141
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:11.199
I appreciate it. M Yeah, good Ques.
1142
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.359
I mean yeah, I don't know, but if it's that closed,
1143
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:15.239
it's probably probably gonna do it.
1144
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:20.840
Dylan, what's up, dude, Bob Dylan? What's on your mind?
1145
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:33.840
Yee babe? You mean good man? Dylan Dylan, I'm you.
1146
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:37.399
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize I was up.
1147
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:39.760
Hey, j how's it going good?
1148
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:40.920
What's on your mind?
1149
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:44.680
Hey? I wanted to kind of get your your thoughts
1150
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:51.159
on UH. It's a topic about dispensationalism. So with UH,
1151
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:54.279
I've changed my view over the years. But I came
1152
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.600
across a paper I wrote for a class about two
1153
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:01.319
years ago, got talked about dispense. Say, now, I kind
1154
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.960
of want to understand I guess the Orthodox perspective of
1155
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.039
how they answer what at that time I saw as
1156
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:14.000
a pitfall, which was, if the Church is the continuation
1157
01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.800
of Israel, that's is that the crict teaching?
1158
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:22.960
Yeah, okay, So if there's a continuation.
1159
01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:25.880
Of Israel, the true Israel, when you have.
1160
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:30.720
Commandments from the Old Testament, like in the Ten Commandments,
1161
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:36.479
things like observing the Sabbath being for you know, all generations,
1162
01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:37.840
and then.
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01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:42.680
The traditional Saturday Sabbath is no longer a held tradition,
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01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.279
what I guess is like the justification for that.
1165
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:49.239
So it's not a contradiction, right, So the eternal Sabbath,
1166
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:53.520
Hebrews four says, was fulfilled when Christ rested in the
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01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:55.239
tomb and when he rested at the.
1168
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:56.960
Right hand of the Father in the ascension.
1169
01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:59.399
So Hebrews four clears that up for you and tells
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01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:01.640
you that it is eternal Sabbath, and it is the
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01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:05.199
Sabbath rest that we have in Christ ultimately in the resurrection,
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01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:07.760
which is a present reality that he brought at his
1173
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:11.359
first advent and especially at the Ascension. So Hebrews four
1174
01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:15.520
answers your question. And the Orthodox Church on Saturday vesper services,
1175
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.520
we actually do still honor the seventh Day. So you
1176
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:21.079
should read Hebrews and maybe read Hebrews three or four
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01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:22.439
times through Jacob.
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01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:22.800
What's up?
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01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:23.039
Man?
1180
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:24.680
But good question.
1181
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:30.600
Hey, hey, j can you hear me?
1182
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:31.880
Uh huh?
1183
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.600
Hey, So I was want to call in because.
1184
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:36.760
That's all you were talking about, Doug Wilson and Cerric
1185
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:37.319
and all that.
1186
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:44.880
My close immediate family is all Cerric. My dad is
1187
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:49.479
actually a elder in the church there, Okay, And so
1188
01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:51.520
I wanted to just call and ask you, like what
1189
01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:52.000
you think?
1190
01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:55.560
But how how can I talk to them about Christian nationalism?
1191
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:57.520
What's your opinion on that sort of thing?
1192
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.079
Like what do you think on that? Like what the
1193
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:02.359
main refute like defeats for that?
1194
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:06.359
Well, I mean I have a lot of older talks
1195
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:11.119
on how the nation state should be Christian. But the
1196
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.800
problem is that you can't have a Christian nation state
1197
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:18.920
without a single church. So, for example, we know that
1198
01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:24.039
you know, God doesn't want the worship of foreign God's entities,
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01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:26.479
et cetera. So if you're going to use this model
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01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:30.039
of Israel as kind of a model for a Christian
1201
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:34.319
state or Christian theocracy, how are you going to legislate
1202
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:40.119
or you know, choose between what kinds of crazy cults
1203
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:44.520
and sex are allowed, for example, kind of Jehovah's witness
1204
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.399
continue to have their quote worship and their proselytization in
1205
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:53.039
a Christian civilization or society. I mean, if you're consistent
1206
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:54.760
with it, No, you can't. You have to you have
1207
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.560
to not have anti trinitarian groups. Okay, well where's the line.
1208
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.800
Well that's because there's one church church. So that what
1209
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:05.199
they're missing is that you can't have pan Protestantism and
1210
01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:08.239
have a Christian theocracy. Are you going to unite with
1211
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:13.039
the tens of thousands of different skittles, fake ass Christian
1212
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:15.159
groups and sex out there. I mean, that's insane, It's
1213
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:18.479
never gonna work. It's crazy. The only way to have symphonia,
1214
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.600
which is what these idiots are looking for, which is
1215
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:24.279
the history of the church, is to have one church.
1216
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:29.439
You're not gonna have Protestant Symphonia, you idiots. So it's
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first and foremost heresy because Doug Wilson is an anti
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Trinitarian heretic, it appears. Secondly, you got to have the
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Orthodox faith to have a Christian government because you need
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the Church to coronate in a coronation service the Christian
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ruler or emperor or king. That's the entire history of
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the Orthodox and the Christian Church in the East, and
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even the Latin Church the West had the same basic
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model until I don't know, even in the Middle Ages,
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like the the Latin Church still understood, you know, the
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two spheres of governance between church and state. To a degree,
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even the pope was like overstepping his bounds and becoming
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himself the Quiza's haterac they still had.
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The same idea.
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So that's what the Byzantine Eagle is intended to signify.
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It's two heads of the same body, right, church and
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state working together in Symphonia. But what all of these
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idiots who are probably going to be baited by a
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bunch of Feds don't understand is that it doesn't work
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with Calvinism and Protestantism because those are not real churches
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and they're sects that don't have any authority or historicity
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other than a few hundred years of Calvinism and whatever, Lutheranism, whatever.
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It has to be the Church that existed from the beginning,
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because that church alone has the authority from Christ, because
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it has apostolic succession. Doug Wilson has no episotic succession.
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Doug Wilson has his own made up denomination and sect.
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How in the world could we join together with zillions
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of schismatics, heretics and crazy cult people to form a
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Christian It's insane, it's idiotic. But they're right about one thing,
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which is that it's true that if Christians are beat
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down and told to be whimps and losers and weak,
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that the atheist, the Satanists, the secularist, the whatever, the
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Zionists they're not, they will they will take power. You're
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only evil if you want power as a Christian. That's
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supposed to be somehow evil or something. That's not the
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history of the church. Okay, But it's also not Joel
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Webon or Smug Wilson or any of these people taking
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power and becoming their own cult leaders as they are
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without actual.
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Historical, normative authority.
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You also, don't convert the nation by converting the government.
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This is so dumb. I can't believe that people are
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so naive to fall for this or to think that.
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Yeah, man, we'll just gather together with JD. Events and
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Doug Wilson and all the right wing Christians and we'll
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create a Christian government and then we'll enact Christian lawls
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and it'll be a new Calvinist Orthodox tradcat Byzante.
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You you're just fed baite, you dummy. The only way
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that you have a Christian Orthodox government is when the
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majority of the people have converted to Orthodoxy and they
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want it. It's not gonna work to force that top down. However,
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the one thing that all of these people are correct
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about is that somebody.
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Will exercise power.
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And if Christians are so stupid as to think that,
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and this is ultimately a Reformation heresy. Okay, it's not
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a tradcat heresy. This is ultimately a heresy out of
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the Reformation and the spread of Evangelicalism and all this stuff.
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Is to think that somehow the state is anti is
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antithetical to God, as if God didn't create the state,
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and if as if authority in the state also doesn't
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come from God.
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Okay.
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So when the when the early Church converted the Roman Empire,
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not by force, but by three centuries of martyrs. The
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emperors became Christian eventually, and they began after Theodosius and
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after Justinian to enact Christian laws. Look up the Code
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of Justinian. Okay, so it took three, four or five
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six hundred years to do that. You're not going to
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get that with fed tards forcing the government to be
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Christian nationalists, with Vance and Teel or whatever.
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That's not gonna happen.
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But I mean a lot of this I think also
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kind of dupes and appeals to like naive twenty year
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old guys that are genuinely want to be right wing
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and concerned. I was the same way right when I
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was twenty. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm a Calvinist reconstructionist.
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I liked Doug Doug Wilson. I used to read Doug
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Wilson back when I was twenty.
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Yeah, let's make it.
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We're gonna convert America to you know, reform Christianity.
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And you know I was.
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I was a hardcore reconstructionist back in the day. And
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even when I was a Calvinist Reconstructionist, reading Bonson and
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Van Till and Rush Juni and Doug Wilson and James
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Jordan and Gary North.
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I read all these guys. One thing that stuck out
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to me.
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I had an argument with my Calvinists pastor one day,
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and it illustrates the problem with this idiotic position. And
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that was over whether or not Jovah's witnesses in the
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Christian theocracy would be allowed to exist and do their
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thing because the Reconstructionist Calvinists pastor that I had he
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01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:52.840
argued that they would be allowed to because they named
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the name Jehovah. And he said, if they followed with
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the laws of the Reconstructionist Calvinist Christian National Estate, they
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could exist and have their thing. I argued, no, wait
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a minute, because blasphemy or teaching against the One True
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God is like the number one, you know, that's pretty
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high up in the Ten Commandments, So why would we
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allow an aryan sect?
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Right?
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By that logic, Muslims.
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Would also exist in that society.
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Right, So I realized that what that highlights is Protestantism's
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church relativism, right because of the invisible Church doctrine because oh,
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we're all actually Christians, bro and ecumenism is ultimately a
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Protestant heresy, even if it was promoted and taught by
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the papacy Originally, you could argue it's not going to
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work when nobody has a shared common Christian faith.
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Duh, you need the same faith. The same state works.
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That's how Byzantium was the most successful empire in world history,
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or at least in Western civilizational history, with the most
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successful currency for eleven hundred years.
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The bezant.
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Was because they had the same faith, and they had
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the same emperor, and they had kings together united with
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the same faith. That's how it worked. It doesn't work.
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Look at when the Protestants arose. You had Protestant nation
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states with state rulers behind the various Reformation movements except
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for Zwingli, right, I mean maybe he's Wingley had some
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degree of political power. But you know in Geneva, Calvin
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01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:49.640
kind of becomes a sort of theocrat. Luther has the
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German princess supporting him.
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Mike is cutting out. Shouldn't be glitching? What's glitching? Let
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me see? Does this sound good?
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That's weird because it reads consistent stream consistent. Let me
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check the notifications to see, Oh, there was a brief
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Internet disconnection. It's storming, so it might be because there's
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a storm outside.
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Are we good?
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Now?
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If you it refresh, can everybody hear me? Everything good? Okay?
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So I think it was just a brief snapfood because
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of the storm. But yeah, anyway, So that's the point
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is that, you know, when you read the first thousand
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01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:49.239
years of Christianity, you realize that there's a close parallel
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01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:53.640
between the one orthodox Catholic faith that everyone has and
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01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:58.000
the state, which is the aid and the supporter and
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01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:02.720
the diaconos to that church. And so ultimately it is
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01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:07.279
the church that has the divine authority to coorinate the king,
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01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:11.760
the ruler, the emperor. And it does not work obviously
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01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:18.600
when there's twenty thousand different competing faiths. Obviously that's nonsensical theology.
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01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:22.079
What's up do you want to imute?
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Yeah?
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01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:26.840
Well, hey, yeah, so what do you think about like
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an episodic agnostic that uses Lewis and logic as a
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01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:34.560
justification for like, you know, you see logic.
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01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:41.800
I'm not a specialist in logic theories, so you could
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ask that to if somebody like FDA who has a
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01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:49.600
degree in that. But different theories about how logic works
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01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:52.159
isn't going to work to make sense of a whole paradigm.
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01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:54.920
So even if you could find an alternate version of
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01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:58.439
logical justification or something like that, like, how is that
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going to explain objective morals or any of the other
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01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:06.640
issues that come up, like universals or metaphysics?
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All right, And have you seen the video.
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By g about like the like the refutation attag. It's
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like a video like some Christian like trying to refute
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01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:20.840
tag and he's like talking about it.
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It's like a it's like one of your channels.
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No I don't, I don't run JUB runs the JUB channel,
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not me.
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All right, thank you?
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Yeah, all that all that was unknown to me.
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Jacob the Latter Day Saint, Uh oh, here we go. Hello, Yes, sir, hey,
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I was just.
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01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:50.319
Curious if you I'm a Latterday Saint. I was curious
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01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:51.680
if you ever read the Book of Mormon, if you
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01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:54.520
have any thoughts on it, any major objections.
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01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.800
Uh yeah, I mean I've read significant portions of it.
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01:23:57.880 --> 01:23:58.560
I have Bruce R.
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Mcconky's Mormon Doctrine Book over there, do you believe that
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Adam was a man, or that God was a man
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and is a man that became God.
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I do believe that the Father had a mortal experience.
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My question is more around the content.
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Wait a minute, you don't want to go to the
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Adam God doctrine, So we could I.
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Just I just particularly was interested in your thoughts on
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the Book of Mormons. This is the key tone of
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our religion.
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Well, I mean, the fact that Joseph Smith wrote himself
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into Genesis fifty is a I think the kill shot.
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For why it's a fraud? Do you have it?
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Do you have any thoughts on like the like the
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Book of Mormon?
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So you don't want to talk about the kills. You
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01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:37.920
don't want to talk about the kill shots to your religion.
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That's not what I came up to ask.
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So you don't.
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Yeah, you didn't come up to ask the things that
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would refew the religion.
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I understand.
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So why would I believe a man who wrote himself
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into Genesis fifty If you don't want to take th
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Why would I believe the Book of Mormon if he
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wrote himself in. So you're not going to answer the
1414
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:56.600
question exactly because you can't.
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Can you ask it again?
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Why would I believe the Book of Mormon coming from
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a guy who wrote himself into Genesis fifty to predict himself.
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The argument I'd make is that the Book of Mormon
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is the ancient document that preserves a prophecy.
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Did you hear what I said? Why would I believe
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01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.920
him in the Book of Mormon if he wrote himself
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01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:19.880
into Genesis fifty that would cancel out anything to do
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with anything from him.
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The introduction of the prophecy in Jenesis fifty is sourced
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from the Book of Mormon, and so when he does
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his Jesus translation.
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He inserted the prophecy.
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So Genesis, okay, Genesis fifty. You understand that we have
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like multiple copies of Genesis from varying traditions for thousands
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of years prior to Joseph Smith.
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Right, yeah, I'm not saying that.
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My claim here is so you're not going to talk
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about that. So, but there's no but why would why
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would none of those copies contain Joseph Smith in Genesis
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fifty until Joseph Smith translates it and magically it suddenly
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predicts him.
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Do you think that the Bible today's all revelation ever
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given to a prophet?
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Do you think it's impossible?
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What do you think a mark of a prophet is?
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That's not my questions, So you're not going to answer.
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You're not going to ask you a question.
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You didn't answer.
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Your question assumes that a prophet is somebody who can
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write themselves into a book, and we just take his
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word question.
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That we do you think it's possible that revelation?
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You're not in a prophet?
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If I write myself into Genesis fifty and I say
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that it's predicting me, wouldn't you think I'm a con man?
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If you came to.
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Me and said, hey, look there's a prophecy I received,
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it's about me.
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It proves I'm a prophet. Yes, but that's not what
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he did.
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That's exactly what he did. What are you talking about?
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You?
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Where before, Jenn Where before Joseph Smith? Where before Joseph Smith?
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Was Joseph Smith? And Genesis fifty name a tax or
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tradition and has.
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Anything like that?
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I don't claim that they.
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Do because it came from him. And you're saying that
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we trust him because the Book of Mormon. But the
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Book of Mormon is where we get Genesis fifties predictions
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of him.
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It's a circle, so the it's a circle.
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If yeah, the syllogism would not be a circle. It
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would be if the Book of Mormon is true.
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You already told me that Genesis fifty comes from the
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Book of Mormon, And I asked you why I should
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believe the Book of Mormon if he writes himself into
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Genesis fifty, and you said, because the Book of Mormon.
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So it's a circle.
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Let me rephrase it just in case I didn't say it. Well,
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my syllogism would be, if the Book of Mormon is true,
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then Joseph Smith is a prophet.
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Is that a circle?
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Are you seriously that stupid?
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Because that was not how the argument went before.
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It doesn't.
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That's not that's not even a valid syllogism, like you
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don't if if that's the thing in question, dude, why
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would I believe Joseph Smith when he translates Genesis fifty
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about himself and adds things about himself that were never
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in any previous texts of Genesis from Jews, Christians, or
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anyone else prior to Joseph Smith.
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I'll repeat my question with.
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All right, this is.
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Why no one listens to you too, dumb dude, Good God, Seth.
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What's up?
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So you believe Genesis fifty, he said, because it's in
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the because of the Book of Mormon. Why would I
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believe the Book of Mormon. Well, because of the Book
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of Mormon is the validation of jose Smith being a prophet.
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But why would I believe Josephith is a prophet if
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Genesis fifty is the evidence against him being a prophet
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because he wrote himself into it. Because the Book of
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Mormon is what Genesis fifty is about.
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That's the thing in question. Dude, Seth, Hey man.
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I don't know how you do it. I don't know
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how you debate these guys going back to the scientific method. Yeah,
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you know, I wonder if any of them have read
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like do I'm kwine or.
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I just feel like they have this of course, yeah.
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So, but my question is regarding free will and determinism,
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and ultimately I think it's like a paradox.
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I don't think we can really know.
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I mean, obviously, I think you have to have you
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have to assume we have free will in order to
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even get off the ground.
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Otherwise you're just like what.
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Are you in a you know, a robot, you know,
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I mean like, but my question is regarding your stance
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of primary verse secondary causation.
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So like, if my problem is like, if.
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God is the sustaining cause to what like enables my
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very existence and capacity to choose in the first place,
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then how can my actions be truly free in a
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way that like absolves God of ultimately responsibilities.
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That makes sense.
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Well, again, it's based on divine revelation that we are
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told that God creates a world where there's secondary causes.
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So God, being all powerful, has the ability to do that.
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There's nothing about the metaphysics of the world that necessitates
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that God must be the direct cause of every action.
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And our entire Christology is built around the fact that
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Christ possesses a divine will and a human will and volition.
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That means that as a human and being truly human
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and fully human, he can actually cause and do things
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in a human way in the world. So to take
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away that would be ultimately to destroy all Christology. And
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that's actually, by the way, what Calvinism does is it's
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christologically a heresy and it's a trinitarian heresy. But I mean,
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there's not some like algorithm that proves that there's secondary causes.
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We believe their secondary causes because it's revealed in scripture
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that it is that that there are.
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Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I think free will kind of
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ironically comes through submission. Like, for instance, if me and
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you're going to play freely play a game of chess,
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we first have to submit to the rules of the game,
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right does that makes sense?
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But it's a property of nature. So to have human
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nature requires the ability to actually be a cause in
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the world. So I'm not sure what you mean by submission.
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So having free will requires I mean it sounds like calvinism,
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Is that what you're saying.
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No, I'm saying like like if me and you were
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going to play the game of chess, right, if we decided, hey,
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let's play the game of chess.
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Understood the analogy. I just don't understand how it's relevant
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to what we're talking about.
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Well, it was sort of just a parlaying off what
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you were talking about. It wasn't, you know, directly correlated.
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I'm not.
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I'm a compatibilist myself, so I'm not like a Calvinist.
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I'm just playing Devil's advocate here, Like, if if someone
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were to say, well, God is the actual sustaining of
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my freedom in the first place, do you not see
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how that would be like maybe a good argument for
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not having free will. So if I set up the
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game and then you know, something happens within that game,
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I'm the one who set it up in the first place.
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But setting up the game.
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Part of the laws and rules of the game is
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that the beings have their own causal power.
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But what I'm saying is is their very causal power
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is being sustained through God. Like right now, you're neural.
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Being sustained doesn't mean that you don't have causal power. Again,
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that's just assuming that God is the immediate cause of
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your causation.
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Wouldn't it take away from God's omnipotence.
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Still, No, only if you're an occasionalist, and that's what Muslims, Sony,
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Muslims are, and we are not occasionalists.
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Okay, well that was my question.
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Yeah, I mean, being the sustainer of the universe does
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not necessitate that you're the direct cause of every object
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or every event or every being in the universe. It
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just means that you've given these beings. The ability to
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be caused is and that's why we talk about energies.
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01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:07.439
Energies in terms of human nature and human will, and
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every being or human nature having the property of acting
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according to its nature means that that's what's meant by sustaining.
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It's not being like the direct cause. So sustaining is
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not the same as causing. Mars make it quick, please,
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I want people to disagree.
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I'm playing a little ketchup some a little behind your video.
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But you were talking about how if a group would
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come to take power, it's not uh top what is it?
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01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:49.880
From top to bottom is from bottom bottom up is
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01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:51.800
how you do it? Were you saying that's how it
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works in general, or it's never happened where a minority
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group or minority ideological group in a country.
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Or in a nation.
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We're not in a situation where where we're run by
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a Viking king who converts and then tells everybody else
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to convert.
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01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:08.319
That's not the reality of the world today.
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I see you're you're saying in our context, it's really not.
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01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:12.640
Obviously that's what I mean.
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Okay, yeah, because I'm sure like in church history even.
1602
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There was, but we're not in the Middle Ages. We
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01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:19.399
don't have Viking lords. Dude. I'm not trying to be rude.
1604
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:22.560
It's just obviously that's what I meant. Katie. What's up? Man?
1605
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:30.479
Mapped up?
1606
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:34.000
They find a ginger chube. It's ginger chew.
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01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:41.119
Tom. I was eating these other things, trying to trying
1608
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:45.319
to calm down. What's up man? I'm you look you
1609
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:47.760
get mean? He's get mean. We got it, We got it. No, no, no,
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01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:50.119
you don't got you don't got me. I'm still loving.
1611
01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:52.279
I'm still nice. I'm eating a ginger chu. You don't
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01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:54.920
have you don't have me. You don't got me. You
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01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:58.600
can't expose me, expose you clip it exposure. We got
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01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:04.520
to these means. Yeah, I meaning a gender to you know,
1615
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:05.840
I'm gonna be nice and loving. Now.
1616
01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:11.119
It's gonna calm my anger beats. I don't have diabetes.
1617
01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:14.840
I got anger beats. Anger beats. It's calming right now.
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01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:22.000
Breathe Bart and Hernie.
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01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:25.359
This j.
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01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:31.039
Hey, So I was told to call in. I have
1621
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:33.560
been a I was praised from Catholic all my life.
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01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:39.319
Recently in my like you know, adulhood. You yeah, my friends.
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01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:41.159
So usually I got some friends that are a really
1624
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:42.760
big fan of made to say, oh, talk to Ja,
1625
01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:44.000
talk to Jay, you would.
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01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:45.119
Know the answers to these questions.
1627
01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:50.479
But yeah, yeah, so again raised Roman Catholic still still
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01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:53.359
go to Mass every Sunday. But I again, like I'm
1629
01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:55.680
kind of just losing faith a little bit in the
1630
01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:59.439
sense that I'm tired of kind of the Catholic guilt harying.
1631
01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.000
I guess that I get all the time, and I'm
1632
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:07.479
wondering if, like there's a difference between that and Orthodox Christianity.
1633
01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:11.279
And second to that, like, you know, part of the
1634
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:13.920
problem with I guess the guilt and horagne that the
1635
01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:16.239
Catholic Church does is the idea that you know, you
1636
01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:18.680
might touch on this before I called in, but the
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01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:21.279
idea of like a nation state or whether we're allowed
1638
01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:23.399
to protect our borders or anything like that. I mean,
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01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:27.319
it's just I don't know, I'm curious to see what
1640
01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:29.720
you have to say about that compared to what I
1641
01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:30.479
hear every Sunday.
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01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:35.760
So yeah, So the last hour was about Christian nationalism
1643
01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:40.720
and the Christian state. What's appropriate when that's appropriate, of course,
1644
01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:42.680
we would have the right to defend your borders. Every
1645
01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:46.279
Christian country in the history of the Church has operated
1646
01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:50.760
with basic principles of self defense. So yes, I would
1647
01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:54.159
say that between Orthodox and Roum Catholicism, there's a very
1648
01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:58.199
different ethos of what it means to undergo healing in
1649
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:01.159
the Church, to participate in the sacrament. It is far
1650
01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:08.279
less legalistic and far less obsessed with telling up, you know,
1651
01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:12.319
violations and this kind of stuff. We do confession, but
1652
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:16.079
it's a lot more intimate. It's a lot more personal
1653
01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:20.760
and based on you rather than the sort of mechanistic,
1654
01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:25.279
sort of rote process of how confession happens in the
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01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:29.680
Roman Catholic world. Because I've experienced both. So, I mean,
1656
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:33.760
the quick answer to your questions is, yes, it is different,
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01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:39.520
and yes Christian nations should be able to defend their borders.
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01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:43.720
Secondary question of that then, like so is there's still
1659
01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:47.560
kind of a one I guess parable that I have
1660
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:49.760
like a I don't know, not a gripe with but
1661
01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:54.640
I try And I've heard different omilies about this. It's
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01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:59.920
Luke eighteen nine through fourteen about the Pharisee attack, Colick.
1663
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I'm just curious to see, like, what how would you
1664
01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:10.520
explain it? I see it like Luke eighteen nine through
1665
01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:12.760
fourteen about the pharisee and the tax collector.
1666
01:38:13.319 --> 01:38:14.199
Okay, what about it?
1667
01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:18.000
So like in the in the in the parable, you know,
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01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:22.439
the tax collector is viewed as the better person, even
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01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:24.560
though he's saying, God, have mercy on it. I'm a sinner,
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01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:28.239
and the pharisee is saying, you know, God, thank you
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01:38:28.319 --> 01:38:33.279
for not making me a robber, a guture anything like that. However,
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01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:34.359
it's just curious to me.
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01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:34.720
I don't know.
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01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:37.520
I mean, could you explain it better than I don't know?
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01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:42.319
But what I always hear is just like you're no
1676
01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:43.840
matter what you do, and you're always going to be
1677
01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:46.960
a sinnerat there's no you know, feeling good about yourself.
1678
01:38:51.159 --> 01:38:53.520
Well, I mean, I think all of the passages have
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01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:55.840
to be interpreted in the light of all the other passages,
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01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:00.359
so like we don't only read this passage and then oh,
1681
01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:02.840
I'm never actually correct about something, because then I would
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be the pharisee. In the Orthodox Church, for example, you
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01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:12.399
have a liturgical cycle where this passage is read at
1684
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a point in the year. So I think, in God's wisdom,
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in God's providence, he arranged it such that there is
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01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:22.199
a time in the year where we are reminded of this,
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and we reflect on our own tendencies to be pharisees.
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01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:29.880
But we wouldn't take this example and make it universal
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and absolute in all cases, as if you could never
1690
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:38.079
be right about something and say somebody else's bad. Similarly,
1691
01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:40.840
you could think about you know, Jesus says, do not
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01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:43.760
judge before the measure that you met out, it will
1693
01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:46.159
be met it to you. But also in John seven
1694
01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:49.840
he says, judge with righteous judgment. So the issue is
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not being correct or being a sinner, because we are
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all sinners. We are all at times going to be correct.
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We're all at times going to be wrong. It's everything
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in its season.
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If you think about.
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Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, you know, Solomon says there's a time
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01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:08.039
for war, there's a time for peace, there's a time
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01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:10.760
to laugh, there's a time to cry and repent. Like
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01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:13.720
there's times and seasons for all these things, and a
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01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:16.399
lot of heresies and a lot of misinterpretations. And I'm
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01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:21.199
not somewhat used specifically, but just like in general, overlooks
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01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:25.000
this and absoluteizes this thing, that thing, this verse or
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01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:25.520
that verse.
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Cracker.
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01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:41.039
By the way, if you want to support the stream, guys,
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01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:45.039
you can superchat. Super chats are done through stream Labs.
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01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:47.119
Stream labs link is pin in the chat, it's also
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01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:49.239
in the show description, or you can do a super
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01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:51.319
chest natively through YouTube. I do have a few super
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01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:56.039
chats that I didn't get to last night or the
1715
01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:57.680
other night, so I got to read some of those
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01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.600
because they came in towards the end into the stream.
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What's up, creator, cretter, you want to I'm.
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01:41:06.279 --> 01:41:12.520
Hey, I'm Orthodox in Russia, but I still can figure
1719
01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:14.960
out this thing with atheists.
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01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:16.640
Let's say I'm an atheist.
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And your Orthodox, and okay, I assume you know knowledge, objective, reality,
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01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:28.000
truth and so on and so forth, and jewishm God
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01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:30.960
who explains all of these trends, and then the categories.
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01:41:31.399 --> 01:41:35.760
So why is my set of some of assumptions any
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01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:38.239
worse than your set of assumptions?
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01:41:38.680 --> 01:41:42.000
Well, TAG is not just about sets of assumptions. TAG
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01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:47.039
is about whose assumptions can provide justification or who can
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01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:53.920
justify their assumptions, whose explanation has who has explanatory power
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01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:57.720
and can provide justified true belief. So it's not just
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01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:01.079
a matter of having assumptions, it's who's assumptions actually can
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do the work of grounding.
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01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:09.319
So basically, you know, Christian worldview is more coherent.
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01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:12.399
And that's just one aspect of it. It's not just
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about coherence.
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01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:17.119
It's also uh, you know, giving an account for how
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those things are possible, what those things are, for example, universals,
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01:42:21.239 --> 01:42:23.279
laws of logic, et cetera.
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01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:26.359
History as well. History is a part of ethics.
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01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:30.800
Yeah, making sense of ethical norms, objective morals, et cetera.
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01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:35.760
So yeah, to me, it also makes more sense that
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God exists.
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01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:39.560
But you know, if we are being very.
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Formal, and you know, an if an atheist really clings
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01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:49.800
to their opinion, you know, they'll say, you assume God
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01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:53.159
the way the same way I assume everything about the reality.
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01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:55.680
So what's seeing different?
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01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:59.720
The reason, the reason why is they believe in acts
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of the metalism. So accidentalism, which is the denial of God,
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01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:15.199
makes knowledge impossible. So it'd be like if somebody who's
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01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:18.039
trying to do mathematics or something like that, somebody's like, well,
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01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:22.199
I assume numbers or something like that, and another person says,
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01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:31.119
I assume rocks or something. Well, obviously rocks or whatever
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01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:34.680
other assumption doesn't make mathematics possible.
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01:43:35.600 --> 01:43:38.880
The atheist is in a worse situation, they're.
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01:43:38.720 --> 01:43:44.479
Actually assuming something that makes their knowledge claims, even about atheism, impossible, right,
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01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:47.880
So yeah, we all assume stuff. First of all, you
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01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:49.840
got to get your assumptions in the right categories. If
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01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:53.520
you're assuming, you want to assume number and magnitude and
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01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:55.079
stuff like that for mathematics and.
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Not cake and eggs and stuff like that.
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01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:01.920
So you can automatically remove some body who's just categorically
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01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:07.760
in the wrong category. But what's worse is when you
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assume stuff that makes that actual thing impossible. Yes, and
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01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:15.720
these lead to contradict I mean, this is exactly how
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01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:18.680
we do reductions. So we all.
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Assume stuff that's not what's in question. He thinks, well,
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01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:22.760
it's just.
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01:44:24.199 --> 01:44:26.279
So the problem that you're asking is you think, well,
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01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:29.560
everybody's assumptions are just as equal and they work for anything.
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01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:31.960
Like nobody in the right mind believes that about anything.
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So I don't know where you're getting that from, but
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01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:38.399
that's just retarded, but it misses the greater kind of point.
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01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:40.720
They're assuming something.
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01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:42.359
What's that.
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01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:47.319
I appreciate the question the father DEI there was a
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01:44:47.319 --> 01:44:49.000
guy in here a minute ago. I don't know if
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01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:50.960
he's still here he might want to come back. The
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01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:54.920
guy who asked a question about Lewis logic, he was saying,
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01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:58.479
what if I don't take a you know, classical approach
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01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:02.319
to logic. I believe in something Lewis based logic. I
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01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:04.880
don't always talking about consistent.
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01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:07.359
Oh that question, Yeah, we've you've had you've dealt with
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01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:09.640
that before. I didn't realize that's what it was a
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01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:12.840
million times. So these para.
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Consistent logics they're developed to deal with specific things. They're
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01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:18.640
not claiming to be the overall kind of.
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Universal logic behind everything. And so, in other words, with
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some of these para consistent.
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Logics, all they realize.
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01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:41.159
Is that maybe in some instances the law of exclude
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01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:44.840
the middle doesn't apply. And how would you develop a
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01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:50.000
logic that It's like, we're fine with that, but what's
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01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:50.720
so stupid if.
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01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:52.960
You think that that's an apps?
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01:45:53.159 --> 01:46:00.239
Well, what if I develop another theory logically that the
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accept you know, because what they're really trying to do
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01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:13.119
is get out of the disjunct right, the either or right. Yeah,
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01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:16.760
there might be situations we all know that that there's
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01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:20.680
a like false psychotomies, for example, and you might want
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01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:25.600
to develop a logic. But if it's a universal logic
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01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:30.840
that denies disjuncts in the logs through the middle it
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01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:36.960
self refuting why, well, is it true or is it
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01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:40.760
not true? Your parent consistent logic? Do you see what
1804
01:46:40.760 --> 01:46:44.279
the problem is if you make it absolute? So no,
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01:46:44.439 --> 01:46:48.960
it doesn't get you out of the problem. And furthermore,
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01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:51.920
they're missing the cause. Just talking with Tony and my
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01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:54.920
godson about this. Who might want to come to the
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01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:58.960
conference on Florida by the way, Uh, you know, working
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01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:02.439
on this book with Russ before he passed.
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01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:06.039
But what do we notice, Jade?
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01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:11.760
They get lost in the stupid maze of semantic sorcery
1812
01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:16.640
and fills what about this? It's like, it's really easy.
1813
01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:22.359
It's either accidentalism or intentionalism. Right, you're making it much
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01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:28.239
more complicated than anything it actually has to be. And
1815
01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:33.760
so here's a question, and this goes into the whole account.
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01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:42.640
Who cares if you create another logic that's not a justification.
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01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.079
It's like with the scientists are like the mathematic work
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01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:49.359
so that it must be true.
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01:47:49.399 --> 01:47:49.880
It's like.
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01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:55.840
The mathematics doesn't prove anything. You just want your scientific
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01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:56.439
theory to.
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01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:58.399
Obviously be mathematically consistent.
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01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:01.800
Stuff like that, but you have a kind of a
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01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:04.680
theory of under determination of data. With that, it's like
1825
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:10.560
you can build multiple systems, Yeah, with different logic systems.
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01:48:12.079 --> 01:48:17.239
That's not an objection to why, because we're not we're
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01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:23.279
not putting logic behind God. Whatever logic system you build, right,
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01:48:23.399 --> 01:48:25.760
if it's true or jspiratory in any sense, it's going
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01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:28.600
to be because of God. So you're you're missing the
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01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:30.960
kind of bigger question because you're getting bogged down on
1831
01:48:31.159 --> 01:48:32.640
the weeds, don't you.
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01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.800
Think, Yeah, Jacob Cabe five dollars, Jay, I'm trying to
1833
01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:40.439
find the clip where the black guy says what that
1834
01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:44.840
means at a live event. I think you're talking about
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01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:50.640
the bryceon Grade debate, because Uh, in the well, it's
1836
01:48:50.680 --> 01:48:52.920
he says it twice in the debate he says what
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01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:55.199
that is when not talking about a fallacy?
1838
01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:56.479
And he says what that is?
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01:48:57.079 --> 01:49:01.880
And then at the live event which was with Dave
1840
01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:13.560
Gordon and I don't remember when he comes on, but
1841
01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:15.640
it's when Bryson comes on at the live event.
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01:49:20.319 --> 01:49:22.399
What's up, man? Do you want to say something? Josh?
1843
01:49:22.479 --> 01:49:26.000
Yeah, Yeah, I had a question on Saint Constantine. I've
1844
01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:28.039
been kind of like researching the saints reiously and I've
1845
01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:30.399
been searching his story and I know there's a ton
1846
01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:34.079
of controversy on like whether it was a pagan or
1847
01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:36.479
whether he was like trying to claim himself as God.
1848
01:49:37.119 --> 01:49:39.600
And I was just really confused because I am Orthodox
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01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:41.880
Christian myself, but I'm in Kataqusis and I was just
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01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:46.000
studying him. I'm confused on whether he was just good
1851
01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:49.720
for the councils and that's where we attribute him as
1852
01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:51.199
to be a saint, and there were some things that
1853
01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:53.359
the other saints, so.
1854
01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:55.479
You can't be a saint and just be good for
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01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:56.000
the church.
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01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:59.439
Like, yeah, I was just heading the part that were
1857
01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:01.920
we just agree how we disagree, for example, and like
1858
01:50:02.079 --> 01:50:05.560
with a quaintness on certain things where he necessarily didn't
1859
01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:08.880
know that he was in heresy, but that at his
1860
01:50:09.039 --> 01:50:11.119
time it hasn't been discussed yet.
1861
01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:14.119
I didn't know if we well, Acquintic isn't in the church.
1862
01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:15.439
So that's an easy one.
1863
01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:20.279
Yes, yes, because they were they were showing like his
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01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:22.640
arch and things like that, and I was listening to
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01:50:22.720 --> 01:50:25.319
the stories where like I totally believe, but I was
1866
01:50:25.399 --> 01:50:27.920
just saying that, like, is there anything that is to
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01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:31.159
prove that he was actually for Orthodoxy, and if if
1868
01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:33.479
there is, can I get an example so I can
1869
01:50:33.479 --> 01:50:35.800
read about it, because when I look at it on YouTube,
1870
01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:38.119
where I try to search about it, all of it
1871
01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:40.880
is constantly you know, trying to play the devil's advocate
1872
01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:43.560
rather than like you know, telling a truthful side.
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01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:45.960
It's always like a well if.
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01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:50.680
Right there, that's worthy is becoming a saint, because you
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01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:53.479
know what, we did have a un come along noneun
1876
01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:55.640
less would be Christian in the Orthodox today.
1877
01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:56.479
True.
1878
01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:02.239
Yeah, he Like on my first kind of real encounter
1879
01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:05.680
with trying to understand his story, it was just immediate
1880
01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:09.279
controversy rather than like most other stories with the Saints,
1881
01:51:09.279 --> 01:51:13.359
it's a pretty based and simple story or it's very coherent.
1882
01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:16.359
With him, I guess there is just constant controversy also.
1883
01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:19.039
I guess with him being a politician, you know, like
1884
01:51:19.199 --> 01:51:22.279
as an emperor, there could be like questioning for that.
1885
01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:26.159
But I was just wondering all sense, like they hate Constantine.
1886
01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:26.800
Yeah.
1887
01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:28.279
I used to be a Protestant, so I used to
1888
01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:29.680
be really critical of all that stuff.
1889
01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:33.640
Yeah, the all stuff it's just demonic chatter. He can
1890
01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:34.359
just ignore it.
1891
01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:37.199
Yeah, okay, cool, because That's that's what I'm saying. You know,
1892
01:51:37.279 --> 01:51:39.960
it was a real history video. That's what it's actually called.
1893
01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:43.840
The Uh it's like the controversy of Constantine on YouTube.
1894
01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:44.800
And that's what I was saying.
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01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:48.119
Everybody just tries to always play Devil's advocate, and I
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01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:50.760
don't know if there was just any legitimacy to that
1897
01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:52.760
in any of these stories at all, Like if there
1898
01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:54.880
was a little bit that played in part of it
1899
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:57.479
or not, because you know, reading about his mother and stuff,
1900
01:51:57.479 --> 01:52:00.199
I mean there's real churches that she founded, and and
1901
01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:02.840
like there's there is evidence to speak and especially with
1902
01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:06.000
him converting the Roman Empire, I mean, there is evidence
1903
01:52:06.039 --> 01:52:09.840
to speak for his conversion to Christianity rather than just
1904
01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:11.000
playing Devil's advocate.
1905
01:52:11.119 --> 01:52:13.199
But it still just sometimes makes me wonder.
1906
01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.319
And uh, like I said, just to get the full
1907
01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:18.520
perspective of stuff, I didn't know if there was some
1908
01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:19.560
flaws with them.
1909
01:52:19.680 --> 01:52:22.600
All right, thank you appreciate that question. But yeah, moving
1910
01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:23.239
on clouds.
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01:52:23.239 --> 01:52:26.159
What's up? By the way I found it.
1912
01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:29.640
I don't know why it's titled this, but Mike, that
1913
01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:33.800
guy who's a triadcat, maybe he doesn't want people seeing
1914
01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:38.199
this video because like Dave Gordon didn't do good. But
1915
01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:43.079
here it is, and then Bryson comes on some point
1916
01:52:43.199 --> 01:52:44.560
in the end, Q and A.
1917
01:52:44.840 --> 01:52:47.800
I don't know where. It's pretty funny though, dude.
1918
01:52:47.800 --> 01:52:49.720
Look at that fan in the back of What is
1919
01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:50.159
that thing?
1920
01:52:50.239 --> 01:52:54.960
Dude, it's a venue in Nashville called I think the Foundry.
1921
01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:59.600
It's just a it's like a old it's like a
1922
01:52:59.600 --> 01:53:01.560
warehouse they converted into an event venue.
1923
01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:01.920
Dude.
1924
01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:04.199
I've seen that it's in Twin Peaks, Dude that.
1925
01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:06.560
It's actually a pretty nice venue.
1926
01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:08.840
In fact, I think they I think they actually charged
1927
01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:10.560
a little too much for this venue.
1928
01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:15.079
So let's see.
1929
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:17.800
Somewhere in here is Bryson. I don't know where though,
1930
01:53:18.039 --> 01:53:19.840
somebody's probably tagged it in the comments, so.
1931
01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:31.600
Anyway, it's right here. You can go find it. In
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01:53:31.640 --> 01:53:35.159
the last third. Man, I'm getting a super headache, dude.
1933
01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:43.840
This is awful. What's up? Clouds?
1934
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:47.920
Hi Jay, thanks a lot for your body of work.
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It's helped me out immensely.
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I just had a question and I'm hoping you can
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expand and give me some depth on what it means
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to know God. And I'd like to just say a few.
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Scripture is just a pinpoint where I'm at. The Hebrew word.
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For no God is yadda, and it says like in Genesis.
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Adam who or yadda eve?
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And then Cain was born, and we see like Jesus
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saying in Matthew.
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Seven twenty one, you know not everyone.
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Will enter and they'll say Lord, Lord, Lord, and.
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He'll say, you know, depart from me.
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I never knew you.
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And there's no shortages of God saying, you know, be
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still and know I'm God. So I'm hoping you can
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sort of expand on what this layer of intimacy is
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behind and knowing of God.
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Yeah, well, I mean again in the Orthodox conception, and
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that's a great question. It's just it's simply more than
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just knowing, you know, abstract facts about God or knowing
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about the Bible and theology. It's having a relationship. And
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that's why the sacraments are there to really solidify that relationship.
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That's why Jesus gave us that feeding on him, as
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he mentions in John six, that participation in the uncreated
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divine life, so truly knowing Him is an actual participatory
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relationship beyond just.
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The abstract fuel my fire. But great question.
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I would actually say that theosis is precisely what that is.
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Let me rid a couple of these superchats because they're
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piling up here. You miss my superchat about roasting bust
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down at Julie.
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Apologize that for that schizo rant.
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Three dollars, No, we did them, Sorry, Jewish Skeptic, ten
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dollars step into the water, just kidding. You can also
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do before any year, such as twenty nineteen, after typing
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into Google Search, and it will actually filter all the
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results after that date.
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I didn't know that.
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So you can actually get the Internet prior to the
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Dead Internet, even on Google. But you have to space
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suffy to filter the results before twenty nineteen or something.
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But Google is still faking gray though, God bless Thank you.
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Jewish Skeptic. Appreciate that. Jenny P five dollars. I'm a
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newbie here. I listen to Brandon Tatum. Brandon Tatum debunk
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the Orthodox nun on Tucker. I swear it is right
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for your perspective. Have a look at it.
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Maybe or no, Okay, I don't know who Brandon Tatum is.
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Brandon Tatum, the black dude.
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Officer, Brandon Tatum, like he's a cop. Well, I mean
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if he's a cop, he knows the all. I mean,
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maybe I should just listen to Brandon Tatum because if
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he's a cop, groove Monster ten dollars. According to Robin
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Brown's book on the Roads Society, the roundtable philosophy was
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explicitly Fabian. Yeah, I mean, I don't I think this
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information and research I've been reading is accurate. The Souls
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and Coefficients Club, Yes, this includes Lord Milner, Amory JBS Haldane, Garvin,
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Lord Gray, Lord Birkenau, et cetera. They were all in
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the Fabian society. Yeah, exactly, I thank you, groove Monster.
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Robin Brown's book on the Roads roundtable groups. Let me see,
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I might not have that one.
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Let me see, all right, I've written that down.
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Let's see. Groove Monster.
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Robin's book also talks about Eton College and the PDF
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group that was there.
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Yes, I'm aware of that.
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Lord Esher as well as Lulu Harcourt and members of
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the Royal Elites and the Royal family all part of
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the Milner Cecil block that the Inner Circle was recruited from.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely, they've all been a bunch of creep PDFs over there.
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Lord mount Batten, Cyril Smith, like all of these MP's
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and these they're just a nightmare. Saville on X five dollars.
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How much of the last sam Hi episode with Nick
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did you write that was? I don't I'm not sure
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because there was four of us in there, and originally
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we thought that was going to be an episode that
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was partly interview and then Jordan Peterson. I don't mean
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Jordan Peterson on there, but they were going to discuss
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Jordan Peterson. So I wrote pretty significant sections of the
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Jordan Peterson part. I don't remember exactly how much I
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put under the Nick part. So probably more of that
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was Ryan Rivera and Brendan and Pat. I just don't remember.
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I think I wrote some parts of it though, But
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what ended up happening was I was focusing on the
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Peterson part and then they had a lengthy conversation, and
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so they decided to just end that episode there and
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do the Peterson episode as a separate episode. Grubs McGee
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five dollars.
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Way.
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He says, I was laughing thinking of the letter leather
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Daddy jokes when I heard about the jacket.
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I don't think I put any leather Daddy jokes in there.
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Grubs McGee five dollars. I'm pretty sure Sarah from Holland
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is out of the Campus Crusade. That's a priest father,
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Sarah from Holland.
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Well, I don't think that everybody.
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I can't see this what I was trying to say,
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and I'm not saying you're saying this, But if I
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critique Campus Crusade and say that it has Pentagon ties,
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that doesn't mean everybody in Campus Crusade is a bunch
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of Feds or spies. It just means the organization is
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going to try to be used by the Pentagon for
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soft power. Let me give you an example. Do you
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remember Cony twenty twelve. Okay, Coney twenty twelve was being
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pushed by the Pentagon as a kind of justification for
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operations in Africa Africaan, Right, Oh, we got to go
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find this warlord Cony, and nobody hadn't even known if.
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Coney was alive anymore.
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Right, it was, and it was a pretty obvious kind
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of you know, fed thing, I mean fake thing in
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the sense of like you know the standard you know,
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Bin lad In, Saddam Hussein Putin Asad. We got to
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go do this stuff because of the villains in the
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other countries, which are usually bullshit justifications for you know,
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American companies and corporations to you know, loot steel, et cetera.
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That doesn't mean there are no war lords or that
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everybody else in the other countries is good guys. It
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just means that they become just silly justifications for the
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you know, foreign policy stuff that the neocons typically want.
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Uh.
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And I remember on my university there was this push
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and all the campus crusade people were part of it.
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They were pushing Cony twenty twelve. And it's like and
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they were I kid you not, like they were all
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doing it because they were told to do it. And
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I'm like, well did you even do you even know
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if any of this is true? And it's like, well,
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we want to go over there to help the poor
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African kids, for Jesus, And it's like, are.
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You this stupid?
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Like you just you think that the Pentagon is really
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cares about like helping poor African kids.
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And but by the.
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Way, what does this have to do with evangelicalism. Oh well,
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you know, we want to also send missionaries. And so
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the people are sincere, They're just naive and they don't
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understand soft power. They don't understand espionage and geopolitics.
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And this was all just bullshit.
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It was all affront for Pentagon stuff, and they had
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literally just like that, co opted and utilized campus crusade.
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But nobody at my university working for Campus Crusade was
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a spy or working for the CIA.
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They didn't know anything. They're idiots.
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And I say that because I was pretty aware of things,
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even in twenty twelve.
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I was aware of f Liam Ingdall.
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I'd read Ingdoll's books critiquing things like campus Crusade and
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the use of NGOs and foundations and evangelicalism in other
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countries for geopolitical purposes. So I knew enough to know
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that this was fair. By the way, I went around
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and tore down all the Cony twenty twelve posters.
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By the way, that was me.
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So somebody in the middle of the night showed up
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on campus to tear down all of the twenty twelve
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posters which had appeared all over campus, and mysteriously the
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next day they were gone.
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That was me. Well, I don't know if I did
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all of them, because we had a big campus, but
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I had tore down a lot of them.
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But because I was I was doing my act. I
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was doing counter activism against these idiots who thought that
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this was all real. And there was this guy who
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ran at Jason Russell at the time, and this weirdly enough,
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if you remember, this guy to meltdown, a public meltdown,
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and he stripped naked in at a restaurant in San
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Francisco or something and ran out in the middle of
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the street naked. I don't know if he was doing
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shrooms or what happened to this dude, but it was
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the weirdest bunch of I mean, they would the people
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pushing it. It was like the time that Glee was popular,
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and they would do these Glee routines.
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I'm not kidding. It was like the gayest thing ever.
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And because Alex was making fun of it at the time,
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he looks, actually.
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That's what this guy, Jason Russell was trying to shed
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light on. And he had been trying for nine years,
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and like he was trying to be a filmmaker. So
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he's like, I'm going to make this film. He put
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it out and that's the one that then twenty twelve
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that went super viral. But you know, like with anything
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if you go super viral, you get some pushback. All
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the news stations picked up this story and they started
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picking apart this guy. He became like a a like
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a paparazzi target for a while.
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And there's just no way he could have foreseen that happening.
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And then he had a mental breakdown.
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It got way out of.
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Control and like the truth got lost and.
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So anyway, this got a mental burkdown, He lost it,
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strip naked, ran out on the street, and that ended
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the whole Cony twelve side.
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Wasn't that part of the monarch plan? Anyway?
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I mean, I don't think we even have to go
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into that because I just think that they just chose,
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they just chose this kind of like a dude to
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be the face of you know, like you know, pseudo
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Christian helped the other countries and take down the dictators
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and you know, give your money to this thing, and.
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It was just so obviously fake. But anyway, I wonder
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whatever happened to that dude?
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That's what I was just thinking.
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I wonder, what does you ever wonder like these people were,
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like where are they now?
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You actually got to that would be a great uh
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a lot.
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Here's the actual documentary.
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It has one hundred million, three million views. Dang, one
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hundred million people watch this stupid thing.
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Here he is. The surprise announcement came in a letter
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from the White House.
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The US President's decision commits US troops to help to
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advice and assistance.
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Imagine getting all these evangelicals to support Obama's policies in
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Africa to try to find cony so fair, you can
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so see it.
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But like evangelicals, man, they will believe anything, dude. And
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that's what's funny is that, like, you know, the people
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in the military and the Pentagon, they know how dumb
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evangelicals are and they laugh about it, and they're like.
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You know, all these people believe anything.
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We just tell them that we're gonna go save Africans
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from a war lord and this becomes a cover for Africam.
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People don't even know what Africom is.
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But that's the the Pentagon, the military, US Army, et cetera.
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Their strategies for different regions. They're Scentcom, Northcom, Africom.
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And this was just more you know, foreign.
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Policy, basically, just a way to go get.
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Minerals and oil.
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In I wonder if they have a dire com Yeah.
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Probably, since I'm in the KGB dire eclips on geopolitics
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five dollars, we got to go in and get the
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bad guys that we armed. Yeah, I think that in
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the case of Coney, like, the thing that everybody was
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saying at the time was that was criticized.
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It was nobody even knows this guy's alive anymore.
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So it's a really weak justification for foreign policy in
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Africa anyway, Jeff, throw two dollars, Jake, can you play
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the ausse Narrow Instagram post?
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Bro, I don't know where that is. I mean, if you.
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Link it for me, maybe, I just I can't scroll
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all the.
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Way back control.
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I have no idea what it's months or years back,
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so I don't know where it is. Contemporary committing five dollars, Jay,
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can we get a brand of the Ginger choose? I mean,
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I think in America there's pretty much only one brand
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when you go anywhere. It's the Jingin's Grubs, No anonymous
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three dollars, primary versus secondary causes.
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If God's said, well, I think that guy called in,
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we already answered him. So a ten dollars look up.
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Rid Vaughan he's definitely a heretic. I mean we already
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commented on this at the beginning. Everyone's had enough of him. Well, uh,
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like we said at the beginning, you know, people aren't interested.
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I'm not gonna listen, Like, what are you gonna do?
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Just keep arguing with them and keep calling might as
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well just move on. So that's I think the wisest
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strategy behind enemy lines?
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What's up man? Behind enemy lines?
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Hey, Jake, I just had a quick question the yes
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you you had a stream the other day and I
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think you quoted someone If you want to be involved
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in espionage, it's cooks bolts in like crooks?
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What you know who that quote was from? Oh? Sorry,
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can you hear.
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Me say it again? What about? Yeah? The quotes from me?
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You want to.
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If you want to be involved in espionage, you have
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to be a kook, a crook or something else.
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Spook. I can't the quote is me. It's my quote.
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Oh yeah, ok, yeah, I've been saying that for like
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ten years, and it's the same for Ultimate Alternative Media.
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But it's just a joke. I don't literally mean every
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single person is.
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But anesthasias. What's up man, dude? Thought I was quoting
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a book that's me Rah.
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What's up man? Unmuted?
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Should they? How are you taking questions on justification?
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I guess a right, sweet?
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Been watching your videos for a while and then in
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the orthodox point of view, I keep hearing you say
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that justification of an ontological transformation, right.
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I just want to clarify before Yeah.
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Sweet, So.
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When I keep hearing this, I guess in my head,
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I've just never asked anyone to clarify this question.
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How is it?
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How can we be called justified if it's an ontological transformation,
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it's lifelong. Can't someone only call you justified at the
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end of your life? You can't really say that. You
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can't really say you are justified till the work is done?
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Right? No, why would you think that?
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Well, it would be.
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A past tense if, like I can't say something is
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finished if I'm still working on it.
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Where are you saying that? It's finished.
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We would say that justification is a past thing, an
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ongoing thing, and a future thing.
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It's all three. It's not an either or.
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But then Paul says that you are justified, right like
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he says that.
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Yeah, but there's also statements where he talks about justification
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in the future sense of vindication at the esketon and
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the escaton hasn't happened yet, and Paul uses goallorification the
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same way as glorification as a present reality as well,
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and two Corinthians three.
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Okay, sweet, that makes a lot of more sense. Appreciate you.
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Yeah, that's a great question. I appreciate that. Yeah, just
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look up. You know, we do have some longer talks
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on justification that you can find.
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I I what's up? And then fuel my fire? You've
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been waiting? Do you want to umute?
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Hey?
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What's that?
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Jay?
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Actually I have a question just convalidate you this time.
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Okay, So.
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My wife is not into orthodoxy at all.
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He watched a live like stream and she just kept
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down playing it and see its.
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Like, uh like whining and.
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Should I just go myself and just not bring her
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with me?
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Yeah?
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I mean I would say, right, Yeah, I think that.
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I mean, if she sees a change in you, then yeah,
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that's the way to go. So yeah, you should go
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ahead and go and.
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Then pursue it because you have care of your own
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soul first, and then you know, just be persistent and consistent,
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and then she'll come along eventually.
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Usually Dominic, what's up? Hold on?
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I got more of these super chests I missed in
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the name of faith three dollars? Can you contend directly
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with the creationist assertion of the earth being seven thousand
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years old? I wouldn't contend with it. I think it
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probably is seven to ten thousand years old. I think
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it's wrong to bring up metaphysics when not anyone is
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a debater. I think you mean not everyone is a debater. Well,
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why is it wrong to bring up metaphysics just because
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the person isn't a debater. I don't think Genesis is
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a scientific account. I don't think that either, And it's
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long to say the orthodoxy is opposed to I don't know.
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Your comment gets cut off, so I don't know what
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else you have.
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To say there.
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You might be the guy that called in and wasn't
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aware of philosophy of science and epistemology, even though you
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claimed to be aware of epistemology. So I don't know
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why you are the one that gets to tell us
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what is and isn't orthodox views of creation. I'm going
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to go with Saint Basil and the next Samaraan and
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Father serfrom Rose and justis creation early man over what
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you think is the way to go Jen's three dollars.
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What do we think of.
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What would our generation's martyrs look like?
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I have no idea.
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I mean, I think if you're faithful to the teachings
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of Christ and the Church, we're all going to be
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martyrs in a way. I don't really get into trying
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to have this breakdowns of all the.
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Prophecies of the elders.
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And I'm not dissing Cotel or Conrad or anybody that
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wants to pursue that at all. I just don't really
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go go down that route. Brendan three dollars. I hear
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that the Orthodox king or emperor would be part of
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the liturgy. Yeah, he's he's like a deacon. He's not
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literally a deacon, but he's a kind of diaconos. The
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church justifies the state that puts it all together. I
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mean again in a healthy Christian society. Yeah, but like not,
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We're not gonna storm Washington and you know, convert Donald
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Trump to being a Byzantine emperor and then force the
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country to be Handmaid's.
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Tale or whatever these idiot liberals think.
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Freaky five dollars is the Naphelie order of Metatron of
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the KGB what you're a part of, I guess.
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Also the Ukubeans.
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Are they above the Yukubeans but below the Teletubbies. Yes,
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so we might as well. It's a mask off moment
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moment and yes, Jacob Kabe five dollars, Jay, I'm trying
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to show my dad the clip.
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Oh you read that Turbo ten dollars. What are good
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books on tagh?
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I mean, if you're brand new you said you're a
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slow boy, I would say something. I mean, I hate
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to recommend Protestants, but you know Bonson's Always Ready, or
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doctor Jason Lyles book Ultimate Proof, and then I would
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read Father Deacon Ananize his papers after that, because he
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can kind of correct a lot of the you know,
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Calvinist mistakes. But I think those guys are good to
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just kind of get an overall idea.
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What the line of argument is, and.
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Doctor Lyles's book actually has a really good section at
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the beginning on laws of logic and information theory, which.
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Is very helpful for tag So those are there's some
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really good stuff in those books. J N.
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Ten Dollars. I was raised Lutheran, but I'm new to
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you and the idea of Apostolic succession. I hear that
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Catholics and Orthodox are close to the Apostles and Church
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fathers so that truth would be preserved.
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I'm not sure what you mean by close.
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Because we believe that it's an actual historical succession. People
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are corrupt and go astray. What about the Golden calfa
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Mount Sinai and Moses's wayward grandsons. Why would we trust
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something early is true. The argument is not that absolucic
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succession is early and therefore it's true. The argument is
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that Jesus instituted absolut succession in the New Testament and
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the Gospels, and you can see it in Paul's epistles,
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So that's the argument. Also, Jesus promised that the Holy
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Spirit would lead Gode and be with the true the
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Church until the end of the end of time, and
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would not lead he would not leave us as orphans,
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and that he would lead us and God Is into
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all truths. So Pentecost is something new, and that's why
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you can't compare Israel and the Old Testament pre Pentecost
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to the empowering of the Church Postpentecost. That does not
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mean that every single bishop is is indefectible. Any individual
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bishops or even sections of bishops or masses of bishops
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cant apostatize, but there will always be true bishops maintaining
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the faith even in times of mass apostasy like the
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fourth century when the majority of the Church was Aryan
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and semi arian. So the Old Testament analogies are not
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understanding redemptive history and that after Pentecost we are in
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a new era.
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And I just realizing, well, the reason why they struggle
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with Apstock session is they reject normal authority, so they
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don't have any kind of legal ecclesial system to actually buy.
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Of course they're going to interpret Apostock session is just
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useless and doesn't do anything.
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Or not even understand it. What do you think about that?
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I think you're absolute right about that's ultimately what's going
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on that His specific question was about well, hey, we see,
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you know, Israel going sour in the Old Testament. Why
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would I believe that the Church is any different because
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the Church is the Church, it's not Israel.
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That's why Pentecost is so important.
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So really Protestants are missing and don't understand Pentecost, and
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they don't understand the fact that you can't separate absolute
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succession from the empowering of the church in Acts two
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and the promises that Jesus made that he would not
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leave the visible historic quote Catholic Church.
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But yes, you're also right that also.
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They don't see the church as a divine human institute.
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They see it as only human.
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Yes, and so or it's just the you know, all
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the believers low has come denominator.
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Where the church is a theanthropic institution exactly as father
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Deacon said, it's it's a divine and human institution, meaning
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that if you only look at it from the human
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perspective like Protestants do, Oh, well, it's divided and it's
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fallen away and there's thirty thousand different versions of it.
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Zach inquired three dollars, what do you think about the
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idea of altruism. I don't know what that is, Adams
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and Eve's world was separate from us and the fall
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cost our evolutionary world. There was a priest that wrote
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an article on it in Athanasius, he vaguely mentions it
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never heard of it, and that would be outside of
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what you read in Basil's Hexameron or Father surfrom Roses
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justis creation early Man, or Saint Simon and the New
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Theologians first created Man. I mean, all those texts pretty
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much are normative. So I have no idea what you're talking.
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I don't know what altruism is. God bless you three dollars. Personally,
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I don't have anything against nationalism. Christianity existed without it
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under the imperial system for classical liberal nation states. Yeah,
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I'm well aware of modern nationalism arising from post French
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Revolution liberal economic theory nation states.
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I know all that.
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That's I'm just speaking for a common audience of people
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asking questions about a Christian state. But yes, the imperium
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and the pre modern nation state being Christian is not
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the same thing as the Poost Enlightenment nation state. But
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that's not even what that's not even relevant to what
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we're talking about today. We're just talking about can there
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be Christian nation states or Christian governments. Jmail twenty five dollars.
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How do I move from an American rights center ideology
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towards a christ centered view.
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02:20:42.799 --> 02:20:47.920
Of the word or world? How do you do it?
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02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:50.920
I mean I would say again, you know, if you
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02:20:51.000 --> 02:20:54.600
read the Christian ethos of the first millennium.
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02:20:54.799 --> 02:20:55.360
It is that.
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02:20:58.520 --> 02:21:01.719
I'm trying to get my idea geology out of Orthodoxy.
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02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:05.719
I think you mean, like your American conservative ideology to
2422
02:21:05.799 --> 02:21:11.760
get to get to be Orthodox in your fronema and
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02:21:11.799 --> 02:21:16.079
not an americanist. I read Schmimann's Eucharist. Yeah, that's not
2424
02:21:16.120 --> 02:21:19.479
a good book. I mean there's actually worst books by Schimhen.
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02:21:19.559 --> 02:21:22.479
But I mean I wouldn't recommend Alexander Schmiman if you're
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02:21:22.479 --> 02:21:32.799
wanting to to not have like a an americanist. I
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02:21:32.799 --> 02:21:35.639
mean there's I would say, read Reflections of a Russian Statesman.
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02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:38.559
There you go. Read that.
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02:21:38.559 --> 02:21:43.200
That's a lot more hard hitting and authentic than these
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02:21:43.319 --> 02:21:44.879
these weak O c. A.
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02:21:45.440 --> 02:21:48.840
Clerics. Jacob Kebe five dollars.
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02:21:48.959 --> 02:21:51.920
Jay, you whistle like an armpit poop patty, Sir, I
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02:21:52.000 --> 02:21:55.559
hear whistles in your voice. That's because I got refuted
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02:21:55.600 --> 02:22:03.680
by the Indian Muslim. All right, guys, Uh, get ahead
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02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:06.920
of line if you disagree dominic. What's up, father deacon?
2436
02:22:06.959 --> 02:22:08.520
You missed the Mormon? Were you in here for that?
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02:22:09.520 --> 02:22:11.399
You keep every time you leave the good?
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02:22:11.440 --> 02:22:12.000
The good?
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02:22:14.239 --> 02:22:14.680
I agree?
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02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:16.959
Okay? What's up?
2441
02:22:17.000 --> 02:22:20.239
Man? Hey, what's going on? Can you hear me? I'm sorry?
2442
02:22:20.920 --> 02:22:21.280
What's up?
2443
02:22:21.879 --> 02:22:22.239
Okay?
2444
02:22:22.959 --> 02:22:28.760
So, Uh recently baptized Orthodox Christian for about a year now,
2445
02:22:29.040 --> 02:22:29.920
and I just have a.
2446
02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:32.040
Couple of questions about a couple of things for you.
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02:22:32.559 --> 02:22:32.799
Uh.
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02:22:32.920 --> 02:22:37.000
Firstly, the reason for women veiling.
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02:22:37.840 --> 02:22:38.079
Uh.
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02:22:38.319 --> 02:22:41.479
When I first came to my church, Uh, they said, oh,
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02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:43.559
it's something that married women do.
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02:22:44.319 --> 02:22:46.680
Then I heard the Orthodox Ethos talk.
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02:22:46.479 --> 02:22:48.680
About it and he said that it's done to me.
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02:22:50.040 --> 02:22:51.799
So it's in Corinthians.
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02:22:52.319 --> 02:22:52.680
Okay.
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02:22:52.840 --> 02:22:55.479
And uh so if I was to explain to somebody
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02:22:55.559 --> 02:22:58.239
the reasoning for it, could you maybe do that for me?
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02:22:58.639 --> 02:22:59.840
Like Paul's reasoning for it.
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02:23:00.040 --> 02:23:02.360
Well, if you read Corinthians, he says that it's a society.
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02:23:02.399 --> 02:23:06.360
It's a sign of submission to authority. So a woman
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02:23:06.440 --> 02:23:09.600
veils her head, Paul says, because the angels are present
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02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:12.639
in the liturgy, and the angels see who does and
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02:23:12.719 --> 02:23:16.319
doesn't veil in the sense of being humble and submissive.
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02:23:16.399 --> 02:23:19.000
So that's the way Paul describes it. I don't I'm
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02:23:19.000 --> 02:23:22.000
not sure what father here says, but he probably says
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02:23:22.040 --> 02:23:23.200
something along those lines.
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02:23:25.319 --> 02:23:27.840
FDA. If you've heard anything different, feel free to enlighten me.
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02:23:29.079 --> 02:23:30.799
That's everything that I heard.
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02:23:35.559 --> 02:23:38.719
No, my camera's not broken. I have a headache. What's up, man?
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02:23:39.959 --> 02:23:42.840
I'm sorry? Father Dan ahead, No, that's it.
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02:23:42.879 --> 02:23:45.319
I was just gonna say, you merged, You've become chalk.
2472
02:23:46.159 --> 02:23:47.479
That's actually what you look like.
2473
02:23:47.559 --> 02:23:51.520
Now, well I have to Yeah, you know, they're a
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02:23:51.559 --> 02:23:55.000
paid sponsor, so I want to promote our sponsors.
2475
02:23:55.040 --> 02:23:56.360
And also but I also have like.
2476
02:23:56.319 --> 02:24:00.799
A splitting headache because it's either because the the ragweed
2477
02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:04.879
which is in the air, or it's because we have
2478
02:24:04.959 --> 02:24:06.360
a huge stormfront rolling in.
2479
02:24:06.399 --> 02:24:08.319
The pressure is really intense right now.
2480
02:24:09.040 --> 02:24:11.760
Yeah, what's up man?
2481
02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:12.319
Echo you want?
2482
02:24:12.360 --> 02:24:15.639
I mean, hey, yeah, I got a quick question. Well,
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02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:17.920
twofold both are different.
2484
02:24:18.040 --> 02:24:22.040
So I saw a quote by Leo the Deacon from
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02:24:22.600 --> 02:24:25.280
the tenth century, and he stated in August sixteenth, in
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02:24:25.319 --> 02:24:29.159
the year six and seventy. I thought that was pretty
2487
02:24:29.159 --> 02:24:32.680
interesting because that's like nine to sixty a d which
2488
02:24:32.920 --> 02:24:36.079
then I found out is like the Ano Mundi Byzantine calendar.
2489
02:24:36.159 --> 02:24:37.600
Yes, they use the business calendar.
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02:24:38.120 --> 02:24:38.319
Yeah.
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02:24:38.399 --> 02:24:42.000
Yeah, So this this question really comes to, uh, is
2492
02:24:42.040 --> 02:24:45.760
there any reason to care a lot about the calendars?
2493
02:24:45.760 --> 02:24:47.559
I mean, I know there's old calendar is I don't
2494
02:24:47.600 --> 02:24:48.520
fully understand that.
2495
02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:51.000
I haven't really dived in. But what's your take on
2496
02:24:51.040 --> 02:24:51.280
all that?
2497
02:24:52.239 --> 02:24:58.079
Yeah, the calendar does matter because that's the that's how
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02:24:58.159 --> 02:25:03.399
the Christian world they things. So maybe I don't understand
2499
02:25:03.399 --> 02:25:05.200
your question. What do you mean does the calendar matter?
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02:25:06.920 --> 02:25:08.799
I guess I don't.
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02:25:08.840 --> 02:25:10.559
I don't understand the old calendar.
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02:25:10.799 --> 02:25:12.959
Old calendar ists versus new.
2503
02:25:13.239 --> 02:25:14.680
Well, that's a different issue.
2504
02:25:15.360 --> 02:25:18.360
So we have a Christian calendar because we're Christians and
2505
02:25:18.399 --> 02:25:23.879
we live in a liturgical cycle that we believe reflects
2506
02:25:24.079 --> 02:25:28.040
kind of the patterns of Heaven. So that's why there
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02:25:28.079 --> 02:25:31.120
is a calendar. The old calendar is a totally different issue.
2508
02:25:31.159 --> 02:25:35.600
But I mean ro Corps, for example, is on the
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02:25:35.639 --> 02:25:39.520
old calendar, So that's a different issue from old calendar.
2510
02:25:39.559 --> 02:25:43.520
Schismatic groups, some of which have been reconciled in terms
2511
02:25:43.520 --> 02:25:46.079
of communion, some of which are still out of communion.
2512
02:25:46.120 --> 02:25:48.680
But that's an area that I don't really have a
2513
02:25:48.680 --> 02:25:50.840
whole lot of insight on Owen.
2514
02:25:50.959 --> 02:25:51.360
What's up?
2515
02:25:51.399 --> 02:25:57.360
Man, Hey, can you hear me?
2516
02:25:59.360 --> 02:26:02.840
I'm sorry from coming in later or whatever, but what
2517
02:26:02.840 --> 02:26:05.000
what is your opinion of nationalism?
2518
02:26:05.239 --> 02:26:06.360
And uh, we've.
2519
02:26:06.200 --> 02:26:08.319
Already covered all that, so I'm not I'm not trying
2520
02:26:08.360 --> 02:26:09.920
to be a dick. I'm not being rude. It's just
2521
02:26:10.360 --> 02:26:12.120
I'm not going to repeat everything that we said in
2522
02:26:12.159 --> 02:26:15.360
the first hour and a half. H Trey, what's something
2523
02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:30.079
look for people who disagree. I don't mind answer people's
2524
02:26:30.079 --> 02:26:33.280
catechumen questions and fahes. Just remember guys that, like, you know,
2525
02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:35.479
after a while, it's kind of old because most of
2526
02:26:35.479 --> 02:26:38.159
that information you can probably just you can easily find
2527
02:26:38.280 --> 02:26:40.959
by just reading and searching some stuff on your own.
2528
02:26:41.440 --> 02:26:44.600
Remember you can get you know, Orthodox Dogmatics by Palma
2529
02:26:44.680 --> 02:26:48.399
Zansky and read the book. Uh, you know, when you
2530
02:26:48.440 --> 02:26:51.040
come with a lot of the sort of FAQs, it's
2531
02:26:51.079 --> 02:26:54.399
just kind of taken away from you know, more pressing
2532
02:26:54.479 --> 02:26:55.120
type of stuff.
2533
02:26:55.120 --> 02:26:56.079
And I'm not trying to be rude.
2534
02:26:56.079 --> 02:26:59.280
I understand everybody wants their questions answered, but a lot
2535
02:26:59.319 --> 02:27:01.799
of that stuff you guys can find easily on your own.
2536
02:27:02.200 --> 02:27:08.760
Like there are infinite resources for faq Orthodox stuff these days. Yeah,
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02:27:08.920 --> 02:27:10.920
in two thousand and three, four, five sixty seven that
2538
02:27:10.920 --> 02:27:14.360
there wasn't that much, But nowadays it's there's infinity of that.
2539
02:27:15.079 --> 02:27:18.280
And you can also ask your priest and your catechist
2540
02:27:18.360 --> 02:27:29.319
these questions. But what's up, man, I'm you, Trey you there?
2541
02:27:29.479 --> 02:27:30.079
Yeah, what's up?
2542
02:27:31.879 --> 02:27:32.079
Hey?
2543
02:27:32.159 --> 02:27:34.040
I hope I'm not asking a question you just asked
2544
02:27:34.120 --> 02:27:34.799
us not to ask.
2545
02:27:35.399 --> 02:27:36.879
Well, what is it?
2546
02:27:36.879 --> 02:27:37.319
It is?
2547
02:27:37.760 --> 02:27:40.520
I'm looking into a couple of churches near me, and
2548
02:27:40.559 --> 02:27:44.520
I'm wondering your opinion. There's a there's a Saint Michael's,
2549
02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:50.719
which I don't know what denominate or what version of
2550
02:27:50.760 --> 02:27:54.120
it is. And then there's a Serbian and a Greek Orthodox.
2551
02:27:54.159 --> 02:27:57.319
The Greek Orthodox doesn't have fews. I was wondering what
2552
02:27:57.399 --> 02:27:58.719
your stances on a pews.
2553
02:28:00.319 --> 02:28:04.079
Just go check them all out, man, Jimmy, what's up?
2554
02:28:16.520 --> 02:28:17.600
Jan Neruda? What's up?
2555
02:28:17.639 --> 02:28:17.840
Man?
2556
02:28:26.559 --> 02:28:29.159
Shout out to all of the jake rattlesnake people.
2557
02:28:29.959 --> 02:28:32.120
We've had a wild ride today.
2558
02:28:32.159 --> 02:28:37.840
We had a scientism man that said he knew all
2559
02:28:37.879 --> 02:28:39.479
about epistemology, but didn't.
2560
02:28:40.120 --> 02:28:41.399
We had a Mormon.
2561
02:28:41.239 --> 02:28:45.799
Who uh didn't understand a circular argument.
2562
02:28:45.879 --> 02:28:52.079
Jan Neruda what's something I'm you, Hey, what's up, Jame?
2563
02:28:52.200 --> 02:28:52.920
What's on your mind?
2564
02:28:55.440 --> 02:28:57.239
I was just kind of wondering, what do you think
2565
02:28:57.239 --> 02:28:58.079
about this read?
2566
02:28:59.719 --> 02:29:03.520
We are already talked about it, man.
2567
02:29:03.120 --> 02:29:07.000
We already, we already talked about it today. So I
2568
02:29:07.120 --> 02:29:16.680
covered Rid Vaughan in the first hour. Okay, anybody disagreed today,
2569
02:29:16.719 --> 02:29:18.879
you go to the headline. So please no questions about
2570
02:29:18.959 --> 02:29:22.200
all the stuff that we've already covered. If you disagree
2571
02:29:22.520 --> 02:29:23.239
any topic.
2572
02:29:23.600 --> 02:29:24.799
Immediate head of the line.
2573
02:29:27.879 --> 02:29:32.760
Blaine Star Chick twenty dollars. Jake made me give you money? Oh,
2574
02:29:32.840 --> 02:29:35.079
Jake Raddle, I was like Jake and the Muslim metaphysician.
2575
02:29:35.319 --> 02:29:36.000
I doubt that.
2576
02:29:37.920 --> 02:29:38.159
You mean.
2577
02:29:38.239 --> 02:29:41.280
Jake Radle said, well, thanks man, I appreciate that from Jake.
2578
02:29:47.079 --> 02:29:48.120
Underwater. What's up?
2579
02:29:51.520 --> 02:29:51.799
Hello?
2580
02:29:52.559 --> 02:29:54.799
Yeah, what's on your mind? Yeah?
2581
02:29:54.879 --> 02:29:57.600
I have this verse that I feel like, I'm not
2582
02:29:57.600 --> 02:30:01.520
sure if it's literal or if it's just necessarily talked
2583
02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:04.920
about something else and one to maybe two fifteen.
2584
02:30:06.840 --> 02:30:07.920
Okay, let me pull that up.
2585
02:30:16.520 --> 02:30:19.280
Nevertheless, women will be saved through childbearing if they continue
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02:30:19.280 --> 02:30:21.520
in faith, love and holiness with self control.
2587
02:30:22.879 --> 02:30:24.200
Yeah, what is the childbearing thing?
2588
02:30:24.280 --> 02:30:26.600
That's the part that I'm means having babies.
2589
02:30:26.639 --> 02:30:28.959
What do you mean so it's being literal?
2590
02:30:29.319 --> 02:30:36.680
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean Paul's writing an epistle about
2591
02:30:36.719 --> 02:30:39.360
practical problems at the Church of Ephesus to Timothy.
2592
02:30:39.920 --> 02:30:40.920
He's not going to.
2593
02:30:41.760 --> 02:30:47.200
Algorize in a moral instruction section about what the role
2594
02:30:47.239 --> 02:30:49.280
of women is when he's talking about Adam and Eve
2595
02:30:49.319 --> 02:30:53.840
and that the role of women is primarily to be mothers. Now,
2596
02:30:53.959 --> 02:30:57.920
obviously it doesn't mean that women can't be single and
2597
02:30:58.200 --> 02:31:01.799
enter into you know, monast life. Paul also talks about
2598
02:31:01.840 --> 02:31:04.920
that it doesn't mean obviously that if you don't have
2599
02:31:04.959 --> 02:31:06.920
a baby, you're not saved. I mean, that's all kind
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02:31:06.920 --> 02:31:08.680
of you know, I'm not saying you're saying that, But
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02:31:08.719 --> 02:31:11.760
obviously we wouldn't come to absurd conclusions when he's just
2602
02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:14.760
kind of giving practical advice that the role of women
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02:31:14.959 --> 02:31:18.159
is not to become priests, pastors, teachers, it's to be
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02:31:18.280 --> 02:31:23.840
mothers in general. I do you want to try again.
2605
02:31:29.479 --> 02:31:29.959
Yo, Dian.
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02:31:30.319 --> 02:31:36.440
I mean, so I had a question in regards to.
2607
02:31:37.159 --> 02:31:38.920
Like, in general, what you think about I know you
2608
02:31:38.920 --> 02:31:42.399
don't want to be asked these questions, but Antiochian Church
2609
02:31:42.879 --> 02:31:46.520
versus real core and just the different you know divisions.
2610
02:31:46.600 --> 02:31:51.559
They're not divisions, they're jurisdictions. So just go check out
2611
02:31:51.559 --> 02:31:53.079
the one that's best for you. There's not going to
2612
02:31:53.159 --> 02:31:57.040
be a perfect jurisdiction, all right. If you disagree, you
2613
02:31:57.079 --> 02:31:59.639
go with the headline. Raise your hand if you disagree, and
2614
02:31:59.639 --> 02:32:02.840
I'll bring you on. I'm not interested in talking to
2615
02:32:03.239 --> 02:32:06.639
you guy from the Oriental sphere. Every time we have
2616
02:32:06.719 --> 02:32:10.680
this discussion doesn't go anywhere, so I'm not interested. But
2617
02:32:10.840 --> 02:32:14.000
thank you for coming on ECO. What's up man?
2618
02:32:21.760 --> 02:32:27.479
Hey j back, what is your opinion on Nick quints?
2619
02:32:27.840 --> 02:32:33.079
I'm sorry they already covered all that earlier today, so guys,
2620
02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:34.920
come on, like I'm not trying to be rude.
2621
02:32:34.959 --> 02:32:37.879
It's just like it, like all the stuff listed I
2622
02:32:37.959 --> 02:32:42.040
covered in the first and second hour, So if you.
2623
02:32:42.120 --> 02:32:43.680
Just tuned in, that's cool. I'm not mad.
2624
02:32:43.760 --> 02:32:46.239
But like all that stuff, I'm not going to redo
2625
02:32:46.360 --> 02:32:46.959
all that stuff.
2626
02:32:47.079 --> 02:32:49.760
Heykay, what's your take on a postive profit.
2627
02:32:49.959 --> 02:32:54.559
Yeah, let's just rehearse the entire first two hours and
2628
02:32:54.600 --> 02:32:56.639
then we'll just start all over again after that, and
2629
02:32:56.680 --> 02:32:58.600
then and do it for the third time the first
2630
02:32:58.639 --> 02:33:03.360
two hours. So if you're watching on YouTube, guys, you
2631
02:33:03.360 --> 02:33:04.840
can rewind.
2632
02:33:04.360 --> 02:33:10.239
And go you know, be Kind and rewind.
2633
02:33:10.239 --> 02:33:12.959
That was a good movie, by the way, if you've
2634
02:33:12.959 --> 02:33:16.760
never seen it.
2635
02:33:15.079 --> 02:33:17.760
It's a Jack Black comedy. It's pretty good.
2636
02:33:17.840 --> 02:33:19.440
Yeah, you have seen every movie.
2637
02:33:19.559 --> 02:33:20.920
I know you have. I know you have.
2638
02:33:21.719 --> 02:33:24.719
But you're really good at burke Back Mountain, right, that's
2639
02:33:24.840 --> 02:33:25.799
like the one that
2640
02:33:27.239 --> 02:33:28.959
I know that that that that Blu ray is on
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02:33:29.040 --> 02:33:29.559
repeat at your