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Embarking on an Animal-Based Diet: A Journey of Healing from Veganism (Part 1)
Welcome to Hot Topics! In this episode, Gabrielle Crichlow engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Sameer Dossani, a returning guest who shares his personal journey of transitioning from a vegan lifestyle to embracing an animal-based diet. They delve into the motivations behind Sameer's decision, exploring how this shift has positively impacted his overall well-being.

Sameer opens up about his experience of transitioning from a vegan diet to incorporating animal foods into his own eating habits. He sheds light on the various factors that influenced his decision, including extensive research on health and nutrition, as well as eye-opening interactions with farming communities that challenged his long-held beliefs about vegetarianism.

Drawing from his own experiences, Sameer presents compelling arguments suggesting that humans are naturally omnivores and raises concerns about the potential presence of anti-nutrients in plant foods that could have detrimental effects on the body. Moreover, he highlights existing evidence supporting the effectiveness of meat-based diets in reversing chronic diseases, such as diabetes. However, Sameer is careful to emphasize that as a health coach, he adopts a client-led approach, respecting individual preferences and only recommending the introduction of animal foods for clients seeking to address specific health concerns like autoimmune diseases, hormone imbalances, or overall health improvement.

This podcast episode challenges the prevailing belief that a plant-based diet is always the healthiest option, offering listeners an alternative perspective on the role of animal foods in achieving optimal health and wellness. It provides valuable insights into different dietary approaches and their potential effects on digestion and overall well-being. Throughout their conversation, Sameer and Gabrielle also shed light on the potential limitations of plant-based diets and emphasize the importance of protein in the healing process and maintaining muscle mass, particularly as individuals age.

Above all, this discussion encourages individuals to prioritize their health while finding a sustainable approach to diet that aligns with their unique needs and values. It emphasizes the significance of considering different perspectives and seeking guidance from health coaches or professionals when making dietary choices.

Who is Sameer Dossani?
Sameer Dossani is a certified health and nutrition coach focusing on preventing and reversing chronic disease. He is also completing a PhD in Anthropology at the University of the Western Cape in South Africa. He has 20 years of experience working in the NGO sector, including as part of the Policy and Campaigns teams at ActionAid and Oxfam. Sameer blogs at sameerdossani.net and runs a YouTube channel and the Recovery and Transformation podcast. Sameer completed his BA with honors in Philosophy and Religious Studies from McGill University, Canada, in 1999.

You can find Sameer:
On the web: https://www.sameerdossani.net/
On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SameerDossaniHealthCoaching
On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sam3r/
On Twitter: https://twitter.com/sameerdossani
On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwr3AFZ-mmCpeadUWjP7pLA
On LinkedIn:
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GENERIC: Well, hello, hello,
everyone. Welcome to a brand new
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episode. Of Hot Topics. I'm your
girl, Gabrielle. Let me tell you
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what this show is about. So this
is the show. Where we like to
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have real discussions about real
things We like to talk about
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things in education. And
employment, mental health,
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physical health. We've done
episodes about homeschooling,
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artificial intelligence. What
else? Self-care.
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Entrepreneurship. All that
mushy, gushy stuff. But all with
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be SOP Herb this educating you
and was not assault purpose. But
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But with the purpose. You
being... Better than how you
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were yesterday. And to Tate. Is
No difference. Right. I am
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looking forward to this show.
Because while it is a brand new
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topic, I have... Every time
turning. Guests. I love it when
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the guests. Come back to hot
topics. So let me tell you. Who
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the guests is who Back on. On
the hot seat His name is Samir
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Dasani. And I didn't even tell
you the name. Of the the
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Michelle, sorry. The title of
the show today. Is it's a long
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one so pay attention embarking
on an animal Peace. Diet A
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journey of healing. From
veganism. So I hope you guys
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caught all that. So that is the
topic. For today And My
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returning guest. Is Samir. To
signing. Thank So let me just
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tell you briefly about. Cool
heat. Is So Samir Dasani is a
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health... And nutrition coach.
Thanks. Specializing in helping
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people reverse. Chronic disease.
And achieve optimal health and
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wellness. Beautiful So he was on
my show before. For study
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abroad. I believe a study abroad
part. So make sure you check
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out. That episode. Learn a
little bit more about samir But
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now he is back on the show. So
let me. Go ahead and bring him.
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To the stage. Hi, Sameer. How
are you doing?
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SAMEER DOSSANI: You're doing
well, Gabrielle, and yourself.
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GENERIC: Good good thank you for
coming back on and coming back
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to the hot seat so today we're
going to talk about an
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interesting topic. I'm curious
to see. Where we're going to go
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with this. So let me just repeat
it again embarking on an
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animal-based diet a journey of
healing from veganism so What?
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In the world is that please Tell
us about that.
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SAMEER DOSSANI: Yeah, well,
Pfft. I don't know where to
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start, Gabrielle. So in the last
discussion, we talked about my
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sort of... Journey from
Washington DC to Canada, I was
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in Montreal, then I was in
Australia. Them India, the
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Philippines, I've traveled
around the world. Currently in
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South Africa. But at some early
point of this journey. So
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actually the first stop. At
McGill. In Montreal.
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I, As I mentioned, I got
attracted to a certain kind of
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leftist. Politics. And one.
Aspect of that. It was. Was the
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politics and the music so i was
i was also a punk rocker i was
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also a musician So the music
scene and the political scene
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that I was part of. There were,
I would say most people were at
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least vegetarian, if not vegan.
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And so it was kind of like it
was kind of like the cool thing
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to do.
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But it was also something that I
thought of. I was. Interested in
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health, I was interested in
wellness. I was volunteering.
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For a sort of naturopathic. You
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was working sometimes on a
health food store.
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You know i thought i was doing i
thought i was being super
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healthy by by being vegan.
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But Eventually what happened
was, and I, and at least, well
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The first thing that happened
was I got a job in the real
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world. And the job was doing
exactly what I wanted to do.
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One reason that I went vegan was
really, as I mentioned, the
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politics of the whole thing. I
thought I was... I thought
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there's one argument around
vegetarianism that you're
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actually conserving food, right?
You're not causing food waste.
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The cows eat so much food and
you could just eat the food that
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the cows eat this is the the the
wrong what I used to believe
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that I don't think is wrong. So
I got a job that was actually
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helping. Poor communities and
farmers across the world. And I
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would meet up with farming
communities. And I tell them,
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hey.
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Vegan and it's not cool and they
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talking about and no that's not
cool right and sort of starting
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to explain to me. The basics of
how life works, how ecosystems
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work. And how you know, You're
not really saving anyone's life
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by even eating tofu. If you want
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business, but... Done.
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Don't go around telling people
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act. You Right. So that was the
first step. And then, but then I
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was, I. I maintain some level of
vegetarianism. Right up until my
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30s. And then i started getting
sick and my family got started
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getting sick so I decided it's
time to change all that too.
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Okay. Introduced meat. I
introduce meat into our diet.
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It's been about 10 years ago
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late. 30s when we first
introduced fish. I can still
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remember the first fish meal. I
ate. Which is probably not the
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healthiest meal in the whole
world. It was a fish curry
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with... Thank rice But I
remember my body was so...
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Sated so satiated after that
meal that's yeah that i i
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couldn't like it took me like an
hour or two just sort of recover
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Like, like... I didn't know how
to explain. My body was actually
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getting nourishment for the
first time. In many, many years.
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Thanks for And since that time,
when I actually registered to
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become a health and nutrition
coach, I've come to understand
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that actually vegetables and
plant foods in general.
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Contain They contain
anti-nutrients. Plants don't
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want to be eaten.
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And so they contain. Chemicals
which make it harder for animals
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to digest them. And when we see
herbivores in nature, so... Here
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in Africa, we have giraffes, for
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Giraffes have an interesting
relationship with acacia trees
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because they'll They pray on
acacia trees. But the acacia
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trees will warn. So if. A
giraffe is eating one tree. That
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tree releases a scent. Not only
does the tree itself make
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itself. Bitter So it tries to
release toxins so that the
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giraffe won't eat it.
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But it releases a scent so that
the other neighboring trees
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downwind especially. To pick up
the scent. Will release more and
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more toxins. Thanks so that
you're also not be able to prey
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on them. That's one example, but
you can look at how bunny
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rabbits eat. I mean, if
anyone's... Had a garden that's
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been destroyed by bunny rabbits.
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The garden, you know, it's not
like the bunny rabbits eat a
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tomato. The rabbits eat a bite
of a tomato and then another
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bite of a tomato. Why are they
doing that? Again, because.
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That's how they have to eat in
order to avoid the toxin. They
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can't eat a whole tomato. They
can't eat a whole plant because
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Да. Gets more toxic as they eat
it.
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This is the basics of. Of what
I've come to learn about. Plant
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biology, and I've come to also
learn that humans as an
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anthropologist my phd is in
anthropology i'm about to
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finished with that As an
anthropologist, I've come to
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understand that humans evolved
to be predators to Yes, to be
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omnivores, but to be omnivores
that prefer...
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So E... You know, And I think
there's a lot to be learned from
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sort of ancestral diets.
Meat-based Diets. And that's
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how. I prefer so so you know my
approach as a health coach is
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very client-led So if a client
wants to take a vegetarian or
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vegetable based or a plant based
approach, Certainly they will do
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that. I will allow. Vote.
There's space for them to do
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that.
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But if a client comes to me and
says, What do you recommend to
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reverse autoimmune disease? What
do you recommend? To reverse
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diabetes, what do you recommend?
To balance my hormones, what do
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you recommend? As a diet so that
I could start getting my period
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back. The answer is going to be.
You know, we're going to
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introduce a lot of animal foods.
And we're going to. Find healing
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that way.
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So, So, yeah, that's the story.
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GENERIC: Thank And thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing.
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So it's very interesting to me
as I'm listening to you because.
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My thinking is like...
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I learned the opposite.
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SAMEER DOSSANI: All of us
learned the opposite.
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GENERIC: You know, if you want
to. Thank Bye. You know reverse
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disease and you want to you know
your periods to come back and
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you you know you It's the answer
is less meat.
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And introduce more plants into
your diet So it's interesting.
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You to hear you say that. So I
learned the opposite. Of what
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you're saying.
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SAMEER DOSSANI: Thank you We all
are in the opposite, Gabrielle.
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So this is one reason I got so
angry. So, um... What happened
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to me in... 2017, a number of
things happened that year.
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I first started, so I'm now in a
different university, but I
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first got admission to a
different university to start my
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PhD that year. But instead of
going to the library where I was
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meant to go to, the social
sciences library, I went to the
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medical library. Good Why?
Because I myself was having a
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hard time.
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Had I was developing
pre-diabetes and and maybe
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eventually it would have been
diabetes. My daughter wasn't
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particularly healthy. She had
all kinds of... Terrible
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allergies and asthma and eczema
and stuff. My wife was suffering
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with thyroid issues and
different autoimmune problems.
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She was also on the way to
developing diabetes. She'd had
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gestational diabetes when we and
the pregnancy.
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So instead of going to the
social sciences library, I went
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straight to the medical library
and I read everything. And by
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the way, the other thing is that
my best friend had a cancer
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diagnosis. He since passed from
that diagnosis. So I went, I
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read everything I could. But
cancer, autoimmune, diabetes, et
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cetera.
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Within a day I was just so
angry. Gabrielle, I can't tell
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you how angry I was at anyone
who had told me anything about
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nutrition. Or anything who told
me anything about health because
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they were all completely wrong.
And it was in the evidence.
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There was no denying. People
have been reversing diabetes
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with a meat-based diet since 300
BC.
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Right There's no denying that.
Like, that is what was
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recommended. Bye. Indian
doctors, the first place where
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diabetes was. Was discovered was
by in ancient Indian kingdom
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about 2,300 years ago. Yeah. And
that Person said, if you want to
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get diabetes, you eat a lot
of... Rice. You know because
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that was the staple food in
India. And he said, we see.
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You know, people who are Eating
too much rice, you get this.
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They didn't call it diabetes.
They called it something like
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sugar sickness in the local
language. And the way we reverse
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it is we put them on. We just
give them a meeting. I don't
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think he was using an all-meat
diet, but... You increase the
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amount of meat in the diet and
you will reverse the diabetes.
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Thanks.
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So that's been known for more
than 2,000 years.
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And we still And of course,
diabetes, you know, in order to
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understand this, we have to
understand that. There is
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something called metabolic
syndrome. In the united states
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in any in every western country
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It's not a disease in itself.
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killers accidents aside so if
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apocalypse. Heart disease
cancer. Alzheimer's and other
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dementia. And the fourth is
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Metabolic syndrome. Underpins
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certain waist to height ratio.
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fat around the abdomen abdomen,
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There's certain markers to do
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for me, when I did my research,
These are all Thank you They're
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not very accurate markers
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that we can measure is rising
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is the hormone that we need to
process sugar. It's a very easy
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way to think about it. If you
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carbohydrate, if you have a
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young, like I was in my 20s.
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was 16, 17, I was extremely
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it was actually worse. But I
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they the gas, the sort of
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just what happened. It's the
poor digestion. I just thought,
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you know, that's... That's what.
Eating his leg. Okay. You know,
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possible. And now i've been
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float at all. So I didn't know
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Which is a shame. But the point
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vegetables are healthy. Going
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we want to heal. Of course,
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plants are unhealthy all the
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chemicals within plants that
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folk medicine here in Africa, or
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Europe, a lot of that is
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they will make a tea they will
take For example, there's
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something called Pau Darko. In
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Strong antibiotic. Tea If you
ate... Just Pau d'Arco, if you
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eat just the bark.
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You die. It's poisonous. But if
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ferment that, bark for a certain
period of time. And you make a
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tea out of it. That's a very
strong antibiotic, which is
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useful. If you need an
antibiotic. If you have an
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infection, that can be super
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fighting fungal infection.
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yourself powerful doses of
antibiotics for no reason. Just
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like if you eat broccoli every
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giving yourself. Pie doses. Of
goitrogenic foods. Of foods that
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attack the thyroid. Question.
For no purpose. There's no
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reason you're doing that. If
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we see when someone dies in an
accident, God forbid, we do an
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autopsy. We see almost all
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The broccoli is attacking the
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like 16, 17. Like we've seen
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Toxic Superfoods by someone
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called Sally Norton. Very
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researcher she's done a lot of
work on this And she focuses on
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a class of antinutrient called
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are found in mostly in spinach.
If you eat raw spinach, you're
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getting a huge dose of oxalates
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kidney stones.
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In addition to many other
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gum disease like They're
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awful things. Thanks And, you
know, Stupid me was having
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spinach juice and spinach
smoothies all the time and i had
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to it took me a while to get
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i think I think I'm more or less
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sure. Because it's hard to
measure these things. So we have
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to be aware that when we're
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exception of some fruits, I
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has some level of
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an interesting conversation
because. Of course, the fruit is
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the part of the plant that
co-evolved.
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plant sort of wants you to take
the fruit But the problem is. We
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have bread fruits, you know, the
fruits that we have today,
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bananas. Mangoes and so on.
These things did not exist in
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nature. And they are such sugar
bombs. I mean, bananas in
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particular is such a sugar bomb.
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That it's going to spike that
insulin again and cause your
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hyperinsulinemia and all kinds
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people on the internet who say,
Look, if you do this without...
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point is a little bit
complicated. I don't know if you
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want to get to the... The kind
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all plant versus all meat diets.
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GENERIC: Well let's Maybe for
another show, but I would say...
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against vegetables? Or is it
just like... The diet itself
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being a vegetarian and being
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you know, I mean, particularly
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All animal products right so as
opposed to vegetarianism Maybe.
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Eat fish So is it the diet
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a little You don't like that?
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different issue because I'm a
professional, right? I have a
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things. So on the one hand, so
the far end of the spectrum is
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vegan diets.
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a philosophy is is based on all
kinds of things is based around
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ethics number one And I think
that Ethics is wrong. But we
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don't have to get into that in
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vegan diets Don't include any
animal products. That's no eggs.
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No meat. No meats. Certainly no
dairy, no fish, no nothing. Then
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there are vegetarian diets.
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vegetarians. Meaning that they
will eat milk and eggs. Our
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dairy products and eggs, but
they won't take any. Anything
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that has a face is how I used to
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I wouldn't take a fish, shrimp.
That kind of stuff I wouldn't
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have. Then there's pescetarian.
So pescetarians do eat as a rule
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dairy products.
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Eggs and Fish and sometimes, you
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and they don't like certain fish
so some people will have For
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example, I know some Even some
people who claim to be vegans
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who might eat the occasional
oyster. Because oysters don't
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have brains and central nervous
systems and so on.
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vegans don't eat oysters. Thank
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right. Then they sort of your
standard omnivore, what we call
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a SAD diet, standard American
diet. Right And it's sad for a
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reason. It's a terrible diet.
But what I just want to point
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out about the sad diet is that
it is plant-based.
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In other words, most of the
calories that most people are
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getting are from plants. So, you
know, if you have. Think about
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the standard of American meals,
like a burger and fries. That
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bread, the lettuce, the
tomatoes, the fries, that's
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where most of your calories are
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diets that I... Tend to use both
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for therapeutic purposes and
also for. Well i used The diet
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that I tend to use for
therapeutic purposes are all
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low-carb diets. Let me put it
that way. So. Within the
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spectrum of low carb, we have a
basic low carb which is
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basically like you take the
standard diet but you shift the
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ratios. Okay. So I'm going to.
If you want to keep...
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For example, potatoes on your
plate. That's fine. We're going
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to limit the potatoes to no more
than a. Курорт. Plate. Quarter
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of the plate is going to be
protein. Animal based protein.
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Ideally. And half the plate is
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Vegetables. So the difference
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try and avoid the salads
because. Raw vegetables have too
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many anti-nutrients. You
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So if you're going to have a
green. I want it cooked. If
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you're going to have a salad
like iceberg lettuce could be
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okay. But I try and avoid that.
So that's one therapeutic diet
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that I use. Another therapeutic
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diet. So in a ketogenic diet,
the idea is to actually get the
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body into ketosis. Ketosis is a
state of fat burning. That we
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can go into. We're all born in
ketosis. We're all born.
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You know, being able to process
that. Just a word on ketosis.
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There are two, in general, there
are two fuel sources we think of
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in the body. One is
carbohydrates, so that's just
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pure sugar. Glucose. And too
much of that will kill you. We
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have to be very clear here.
Glucose is a toxin in the body.
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Right. If you have A five pound
bag of sugar, you will die.
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Right. So one is glucose, and by
the way, the glucose, five
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pounds is the limit. Many of us
who are not metabolically
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healthy will die before that.
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So the glucose is there fat and
fat is the other fuel so we all
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have about 100,000 calories of
fat on our body. And there's
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certain organs that can digest
the fat straight. Right so the
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just. Take the fight. If it
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wants to. Right, and burn on and
use that for fuel. Thank But
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there are other organs,
particularly the... The brain.
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several ketone bodies, the main
one is beta hydroxybutyrate.
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the details. But That is a body,
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a ketone body that is small
enough to cross the blood vein.
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Front blood brain barrier. So
the brain actually loves
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ketones. If ketones are
available, the brain will suck
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Otherwise, the brain needs.
Glucose. Okay. Then the last
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therapeutic diet that I use is a
carnivore diet. So this is
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someone who in my version of
carnivore, we don't do pure
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meat. We tend to avoid it if
it's at all possible. Sometimes,
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like I have a client at the
moment, whose gut is so messed
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up. That we really need to do.
Only meat diet. Das ist die only
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thing, was ich kann beraten.
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Handled And he's going to in his
case, that's going to be the
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case for a couple of months.
Until he starts to heal and then
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we'll introduce some vegetables.
But in general, the way I prefer
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to do Carnivore with clients who
want to do that. I prefer to
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keep in some fermented
vegetables. And maybe well Maybe
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a little bit of... Look, low
carb fruit. If you want. Like
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some blueberries or something if
you want.
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So i'm not super strict is what
i'm trying to say i i adapt
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these approaches to the needs of
the client. Does that make
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Thanks for watching I don't know
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how to explain it, but I feel
like... Maybe it's just me
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personally and the way my body
works, but eating too much meat
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for me. It like i get sleepy and
then i field. Gassy. I feel like
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it's rotting in my stomach and
then it's the flatulence, right?
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So I the introducing more like
plant i mean not not like the a
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vegan burger is like that's a
question mark but it's yeah no
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i'm with you so the symptoms
you're describing it's just like
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tomatoes and beans and
vegetables it's like it does
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kind of I've Like... Purified
more in a way when i introduced
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that more as opposed to just
like strictly eating burgers and
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you know so it's like.
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SAMEER DOSSANI: Yeah, I'm with
you. So the tough thing is, and
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this is tough. It was tough for
me too. Is that when we have
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been eating a largely
plant-based diet and i think all
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of us you know, are eating
mostly plant-based side or
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nearly nearly all of us are
eating mostly a plant-based
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diet. The problem is a number of
physiological adaptations
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happen. To make our body better
able to.
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Digest plants. And less able to
digest meat. Right And one of
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those physiological adaptations
that's perhaps the worst. By I
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think by far the worst and one
that I think I need to test,
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but. Based on your symptoms you
do suffer from. Is a low stomach
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acidity. What does that mean?
The acidity of the human stomach
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is very high. That means our pH
is very low.
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We are among the most acidic
stomachs in the animal kingdom.
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Healthy human stomach should be
about 1.5 or less. Okay. To give
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you a comparison. A lion's
stomach, lion clearly only eats
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meat. Is about Two and a half to
three. Our stomach is 10 times
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more acidic than a lion's
stomach. A chimp's stomach is
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about... So You remember the pH
scale?
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If you go from two to one,
that's 10 times. But if you go
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from three to one, that's 100
times. Right So a chimp's
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stomach is more than 100 times
less acidic. Than our stomach.
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Why do they have that? Chimps
have less acidic stomachs and
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other herbivores have less
acidic stomachs. Because they
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need lots of bugs in there. They
need lots of bugs to help them
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digest the fiber. They're not
going to be able to break down
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all those plants. On their own.
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They need to have a little zoo
inside their gut, and they have
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a special place to ferment those
things. Thanks Now, the problem
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is. Most of people who are
eating a standard diet. Have
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these symptoms. Thanks that if
we try and suddenly shift them
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or even we don't have to shift
them. They will complain of
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these symptoms no matter what.
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If they have a mixed meal of
some carbohydrates and some...
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Fats and some meat. They will
complain of the symptoms you're
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talking about, gaseous, and it
feels like it's not moving
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anywhere. There's a lack of
motility, et cetera, et cetera.
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So we have to supplement.
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In order to get the stomach.
That pH back to where it should
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be. And by the way, we have to
do this with vegans too. Like
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eventually your symptoms are
going to get so bad that you're
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going to have to... Do this. No
matter what you're eating. So,
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and what do we supplement with?
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Well, it depends on the age of
the client. What I tend to find
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is that people who are older
tend to need digestive enzymes.
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So these are things like again,
chemicals from papaya and
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pineapple. Things. That will
help break down the meat. If
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we're putting them on a higher
meat diet.
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So we give them a pill of that
kind of stuff or you can
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marinate the meat in that kind
of juice or something if you
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want as well to break it down a
little bit people who are
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younger. Like probably your age.
We actually need to do it to.
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Hydrochloric acid. So we're
actually giving. Very strong
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acid. To reduce the pH of the
stomach, to reduce the symptoms.
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Thanks now this is all you know
i don't take this as medical
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advice we need to do it in
consultation with someone who
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knows what they're doing.
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But if we do this the right way,
we can actually fix a lot of the
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problems. Now, the other problem
that we have is. Especially when
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people leave a plant-based diet.
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They tend, and I did this too,
like everyone's going to do
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this. This is just natural
instinct. I don't mean, there's
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no judgment in anything that I'm
saying. I'm just explaining how
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the process tends to work. And
the mistakes that we tend to
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make. Is that we will take so
let's take my vegan meal right
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my favorite vegan meal was like
I'd have this pasta with like.
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Thank you Peanut sauce and tofu
that I would make, right? Let's
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say i took that same thing so
pasta with a peanut butter sauce
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like it was a super like
university college food kind of
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stuff yeah I'd come back late at
night and, you know. Make a
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peanut sauce and throw some.
Cook spaghetti in there. Kind of
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thing.
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Let's say I did that whole thing
and I I put a stake on top of
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that. Now the problem is... I've
got so much carbohydrates in
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that pasta. It's a big bowl of
pasta. I've got so much fats in
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the peanuts. And now I'm adding
another layer of fat and
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carbohydrates. So I think it's
important here to talk about.
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Not bad in carbohydrates, bad in
protein. With the with the
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state.
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So I think it's important to
talk about energy versus
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protein. So we have three
macronutrients. The three
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macronutrients are
Carbohydrates, fats. And
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protein, carbohydrates and fats
are generally energy sources.
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And if we have. Most of us, like
myself, when I started this
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journey, I was 40 pounds
heavier. Right? So most of us
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have, at that time, I had too
much fat on my body.
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And what was happening was if i
There's something called the
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Randall Cycle. Which says that
if we have carbohydrates and
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fats in the same meal, we
actually get kind of a Double
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Dope. Thank you You're getting,
you're getting like. All that is
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sort of sucked into the cells.
In a toxic way.
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Creating what we call energy
toxicity. So if I do the
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standard plant-based switching
to meat. Stop. Which is
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basically to keep the
plant-based meal and just put a
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steak on top or put some meat on
top. You can actually make your
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symptoms worse. So the way I
generally recommend is I won't.
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You know, if someone's eating a
standard diet, I won't make them
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go to.
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Carnivore. That's ridiculous.
Thanks. I will. Take First
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First, take away some
carbohydrates. Replace that with
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good quality lean protein,
maybe. Slowly then increase the
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when we've got the carbohydrates
pretty much down to zero on the
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plate Then we increase the fats,
the healthy fats.
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Slowly. Again, everything has to
be done. Done slowly because the
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digestive system digestive
system is used to what you ate
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yesterday. If you give it
something completely different,
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You're going to have. Serious
reaction. Thanks You have to
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give it what you ate yesterday.
But with some adjustments. And
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with a target in mind.
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So there's a process that has to
be done.
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GENERIC: So is it just... The
issue is that people who are
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vegetarian or vegan. More so
vegan. It's...
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They're not. Incorporating
protein. Into the diet is that
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what it is and you're I mean, is
that the argument that you're
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trying to make? Is that...
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You know you know vegans they
it's there are Like they'll eat
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the, like you said, like the
pasta and the peanut sauce, you
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know, but.
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SAMEER DOSSANI: There's no
closing. I was pretty focused on
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that.
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GENERIC: They're just not
getting. Protein, is that what
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it is?
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SAMEER DOSSANI: Remember, I was
a very health conscious vegan.
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And so I was putting the tofu or
the beans in there or something,
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and I thought I was getting
protein. The problem is I didn't
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understand about protein.
Protein digestibility. Indexes.
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Right So you read on a package
of Tofu, for example, you read
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that it has I don't know, 30
grams of protein this month.
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Yes. Don't quote me. I need to
talk for a long time.
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So, but let's say for the sake
of argument, it has 30 grams of
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protein. There's something
called the protein digestible
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diet. Digestibility. Index.
There's actually two of these.
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When it's called PDCAS and when
it's called Diaz, Diaz is the
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better one.
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So what they did is when you eat
these things, because they come
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with antinutrients. Thanks. It a
lot of it is not able to be
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digested. So what they did is
they looked at the digestive
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tract, they looked at it in the
pig. Pig is actually quite
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similar to digestive tract to a
human. And then measured how
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much was actually coming out of
the small intestine.
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So how much protein was there
and how much protein was bound
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up and coming up in the small
intestine? And what she found is
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that all of the plant proteins
are not complete proteins in the
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sense that they're not. You
don't digest those 30 grams. In
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the case of tofu...
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I think. My guess per story was
about 60%. So if it's 30 in
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there, you're at most getting
about 20. Okay, 20 grams of
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protein. Now, the problem is in
order to. Trigger something
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called protein muscle synthesis
right so in order to trigger the
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positive aspects of eating a
high protein meal.
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We need at least about 30 grams
of protein. So I picked 30 kind
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of at random, but not at random
because. That's That's to me
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what a high protein meal looks
like is 30 grams. Protein. If
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you have 30 grams of... Animal
protein, you're going to hit
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that 100%. Pretty much. Yeah,
100% of the time you're going to
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hit that.
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If you have 30 grams of plant
protein, you're pretty much
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never going to hit that. It's
all less than one. And it
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depends. So you have to go more.
Now, the problem is if you're
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talking about getting your
protein from beans and tofu and
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so on. Now you're talking about.
The increasing the amount of
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them. And how many beans can you
eat? Can you eat a kilo of
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cooked beans in a serving?
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And that's two and a half
pounds. Can you do that? Nobody
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can. There's no way. So when
vegans say, You can get all your
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protein you need from beans.
Yeah, technically that's true.
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But there are limits in terms of
the size of the stomach. And if
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you eat. That many beans every
day, you're going to have
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serious digestive issues. And I
know because.
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Those are my clients. Some of my
clients are the ones who have
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these. Serious digestive issues.
It's. Hard to I mean, it's very
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difficult for me to help the
ones who insist on being vegan.
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Let me put it that way. Because
yes, we can fix the stomach, but
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then... I can't give you a way.
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When you We should you know when
i teach you how to eat or if i
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try to work out a vegan meal
plan for you You're going to
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your digestive. Distress is
going to come back again. And
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like I said, people can get away
with this stuff, maybe in their
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teens, maybe in their 20s. I
don't recommend it. In your
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teens or twenties. Because your
lifetime protein muscle
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synthesis, your lifetime sort of
muscle. Maths Max is out.
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At age 25. So we actually want
people eating as many high
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protein meals as possible up
before age 25.
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So just so that they can
maximize that muscle mass and
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then as we get older as you get
to my age in your 40s and 50s
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Then we start losing muscle
and... It becomes even harder
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for us to digest protein as
well. So it's actually super
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important as we get older to
increase both the... Quantity
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and quality of protein that
we're eating as well So protein
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is a big part of it. Is it the
only part of it? No.
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As I mentioned, there are
anti-nutrients that are just, I
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think, There are. Under
underappreciated sort of plague
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that we're dealing with.
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The number of people I know with
autoimmune disease, the number
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of people I know with weird
allergies developed later in
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life and so on i mean it's it's
crazy And I think a huge part of
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this is. But I can just say from
experience, when we take the
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plant toxins out of the diet,
people heal. The hill quickly.
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GENERIC: So... I guess I'm
trying to wrap my head around it
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because it's like, oh, wow.
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00:33:31,847 --> 00:33:33,564
You know, a completely
different.
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00:33:36,411 --> 00:33:40,884
Idea when it comes to nutrition
so now what so in terms of meat
627
00:33:40,884 --> 00:33:47,285
itself so you're not
recommending like 100 me like
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00:33:47,345 --> 00:33:50,986
you're saying like you still
need the carbs You still need.
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SAMEER DOSSANI: No i'm not
saying that i'm not certainly
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not saying you need anything
what i'm saying is You should.
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00:33:57,147 --> 00:34:00,405
People should eat how they need
to eat in order to heal. And for
632
00:34:00,486 --> 00:34:03,461
most people, You don't need to
go on a purely carnivorous diet
633
00:34:03,461 --> 00:34:04,025
in order to heal.
634
00:34:05,191 --> 00:34:07,836
But some people do. And in that
case, we should certainly don't
635
00:34:07,856 --> 00:34:10,101
need carbohydrates. That much is
true. There are essential fatty
636
00:34:10,161 --> 00:34:12,724
acids. There are essential amino
acids, meaning proteins. There's
637
00:34:12,724 --> 00:34:13,653
no essential carbohydrate.
638
00:34:14,803 --> 00:34:19,045
The way I... Tend to Most of my
clients. Want to keep some plant
639
00:34:19,066 --> 00:34:22,352
foods in. They don't want to be
carnivore frozen. Rest of their
640
00:34:22,373 --> 00:34:28,126
lives. And so I worry about been
very strictly carnivore for long
641
00:34:28,146 --> 00:34:31,098
periods of time because then
reintroducing the plant foods
642
00:34:31,098 --> 00:34:34,038
can become a little bit. Tricky.
So the way I do carnivore, as I
643
00:34:34,038 --> 00:34:37,213
mentioned, I prefer to keep some
fermented vegetables in. In
644
00:34:37,213 --> 00:34:37,741
particular.
645
00:34:39,023 --> 00:34:42,571
So kimchi, sauerkraut. Why
fermented? Because those are
646
00:34:42,591 --> 00:34:46,229
traditionally the ways that we
detoxify the vegetables. Korean
647
00:34:46,269 --> 00:34:50,215
culture learned how to detoxify
vegetables through a process of
648
00:34:50,236 --> 00:34:53,013
fermenting them, making a pickle
called kimchi. Which is also
649
00:34:53,074 --> 00:34:53,381
tasty.
650
00:34:54,823 --> 00:34:58,522
And it's much easier to digest.
And you know, it's really good.
651
00:34:58,562 --> 00:35:02,686
I think it's It's It has a lot
of type polyphenols, which are
652
00:35:02,686 --> 00:35:06,214
good for the microbiome. So I
think fermenting vegetables you
653
00:35:06,214 --> 00:35:09,553
get some of the benefits without
any of the harm. So You know, if
654
00:35:09,532 --> 00:35:12,505
you ask me what's like the ideal
diet. For humans who want to
655
00:35:12,526 --> 00:35:13,714
heal. It would be.
656
00:35:15,169 --> 00:35:17,755
By calories, it would be like
90% meat and 10% fermented
657
00:35:17,795 --> 00:35:18,156
vegetables.
658
00:35:18,156 --> 00:35:23,479
GENERIC: Thank you So is it
certain? Is it any meat? Or is
659
00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:24,101
it like.
660
00:35:25,432 --> 00:35:27,924
I mean can someone eat because
there's heavier meats like
661
00:35:27,944 --> 00:35:31,851
there's there's the goats There
is. And there's the lighter
662
00:35:32,405 --> 00:35:33,798
Meats like chicken.
663
00:35:34,517 --> 00:35:36,679
SAMEER DOSSANI: So the heavy
lighter stuff, I don't really.
664
00:35:36,842 --> 00:35:42,246
Agree with. I mean, So, you
know, what we tend to use the
665
00:35:42,287 --> 00:35:42,728
most.
666
00:35:44,371 --> 00:35:48,372
Is is red meat in general so so
beef lamb End quote, yes.
667
00:35:49,632 --> 00:35:53,816
And Thank There is some evidence
saying that keeping fish in is
668
00:35:53,856 --> 00:35:57,142
important, but I'm... I'm kind
of in two minds about that, so I
669
00:35:57,142 --> 00:36:00,113
don't really care. But the basic
story is if someone comes to me
670
00:36:00,113 --> 00:36:03,176
and they need to heal. Short
answer. The quickest thing I
671
00:36:03,176 --> 00:36:05,611
will tell them is, How can we
get more meat into your diet?
672
00:36:06,401 --> 00:36:08,672
And if they say, I like pork,
they're going to eat more pork.
673
00:36:09,113 --> 00:36:10,965
If they say I like fish, they're
going to eat more fish.
674
00:36:11,045 --> 00:36:13,474
If they say I like beef, they're
going to eat more beef. Then we
675
00:36:13,474 --> 00:36:16,554
take it from there. So at the
general level, there's no big
676
00:36:16,614 --> 00:36:18,746
rule. Eventually what people
tend to do and what I think is
677
00:36:18,766 --> 00:36:21,221
that probably the healthiest and
the most ancestrally
678
00:36:21,624 --> 00:36:25,711
appropriate. Is to mostly eat
ruminant meat. Why ruminant
679
00:36:25,731 --> 00:36:29,243
meat? Because... So ruminants,
as I mentioned, are those
680
00:36:29,384 --> 00:36:30,771
animals with multiple stomachs.
681
00:36:32,062 --> 00:36:34,391
So the problem in our modern
food system and sort of
682
00:36:34,411 --> 00:36:37,840
capitalist food system Thanks is
that we tend to cut corners and
683
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:42,657
we tend to feed the animals crop
whenever we can. Right And in
684
00:36:42,637 --> 00:36:47,622
the case of a chicken or a pig,
for example. Or even fish. When
685
00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:50,629
you feed that animal crap, that
Some of that crap stays in the
686
00:36:50,629 --> 00:36:52,230
animal. Stays in the fat
particularly.
687
00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:56,056
And then you eat it and now you
have crap in you. Right really
688
00:36:56,117 --> 00:36:58,530
poor quality food. Thank you you
know. Think of those pellets
689
00:36:58,551 --> 00:37:01,421
they feed the fish. I mean, it's
just terrible stuff. Fish farms.
690
00:37:02,158 --> 00:37:06,078
So but In the case of a cow,
first of all, cows First of all,
691
00:37:06,078 --> 00:37:09,850
there's some ruminants like
bison. And learn and and sheep.
692
00:37:09,972 --> 00:37:11,643
That really can only be fed
grass.
693
00:37:12,228 --> 00:37:14,179
So if you're getting bison, if
you're getting sheep, it's a
694
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,021
hundred percent grass fed, grass
finished everything. Right. Even
695
00:37:17,082 --> 00:37:19,954
beef, commercially available
beef in the United States. Is
696
00:37:20,015 --> 00:37:23,248
fed grass for most of its life.
It spends the last couple of
697
00:37:23,248 --> 00:37:27,967
months on some grains in order
to fatten up. But because or the
698
00:37:27,987 --> 00:37:31,168
grain finished ones, right? Not
the grass finish ones. But
699
00:37:31,209 --> 00:37:33,082
because cows had multiple
stomachs.
700
00:37:33,476 --> 00:37:36,164
The fatty acid profile doesn't
change so much. Thank you So
701
00:37:36,184 --> 00:37:39,310
there's a number of people in my
space who say, no, you can only
702
00:37:39,350 --> 00:37:42,636
eat grass finished, et cetera,
et cetera. I don't believe that.
703
00:37:42,636 --> 00:37:45,381
If you look at the data, if you
look at the actual studies, look
704
00:37:45,381 --> 00:37:50,439
at the the people looking at the
fat content of a of grass finish
705
00:37:50,459 --> 00:37:52,107
versus grain finish cows under a
microscope.
706
00:37:52,557 --> 00:37:55,235
There's not much of a
difference. And what I've seen
707
00:37:55,255 --> 00:37:58,187
in my own practice is I mean, I
know people who've been on.
708
00:37:58,388 --> 00:38:00,671
Grain finished meat for years
and years. Very, very healthy.
709
00:38:01,116 --> 00:38:04,214
Pretty much all they eat. So I
haven't seen any evidence of any
710
00:38:04,274 --> 00:38:08,817
problem with grain finished
beef. I do see. I won't say. I
711
00:38:08,797 --> 00:38:10,666
do see anecdotal evidence, like
again, like.
712
00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:13,437
If someone only wants to eat
chicken. Fine, no problem. If
713
00:38:13,437 --> 00:38:15,653
that's what you want to do. But
it's not my favorite. I would
714
00:38:15,694 --> 00:38:21,173
say. Because chickens tend to...
As i say Thank you the crop that
715
00:38:21,193 --> 00:38:24,125
they're fed. So again, chickens
are fed these pellets and soy,
716
00:38:24,205 --> 00:38:27,500
and it's got all kinds of weird.
Stuff in there In fact, we have
717
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:28,968
a story of my my.
718
00:38:29,144 --> 00:38:31,234
Why if at some point when we
were getting off the vegetarian
719
00:38:31,254 --> 00:38:34,522
diet, my wife developed a very
severe sore allergy. And for a
720
00:38:34,542 --> 00:38:37,213
while she couldn't take any
chicken, any eggs. Why? Because
721
00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:39,967
the chicken and eggs were being
fed soy. And the story was
722
00:38:40,007 --> 00:38:43,669
ending up in there and she was
allergic to it. So, now We were
723
00:38:43,689 --> 00:38:45,900
able to undo those allergies.
Now she can have chicken and
724
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,683
eggs if she wants to.
725
00:38:47,836 --> 00:38:50,215
But in general, we find, again,
we prefer to eat. Beef in them
726
00:38:50,276 --> 00:38:51,007
as much as we can.
727
00:38:53,409 --> 00:38:56,707
GENERIC: So it's, oh, so certain
animals. So it's about how the
728
00:38:56,787 --> 00:38:57,371
animals are.
729
00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:00,227
And, you know, and that adds
into.
730
00:39:01,308 --> 00:39:04,540
SAMEER DOSSANI: The argument is
that... Yeah. Cows have a
731
00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:07,523
physiology where You can feed
them crop. And it won't end up
732
00:39:07,523 --> 00:39:10,794
in their fat. Chickens don't
have that. They have chickens
733
00:39:10,814 --> 00:39:12,429
only have one stomach. Kha'zix
IV.
734
00:39:13,511 --> 00:39:18,362
GENERIC: Right So, oh, so beef,
so more beef, more lamb, less
735
00:39:18,423 --> 00:39:18,724
chicken.
736
00:39:20,564 --> 00:39:22,850
SAMEER DOSSANI: Over, I mean,
like I say, this is like a lot
737
00:39:22,850 --> 00:39:24,994
of this is personal preference.
So if someone says they want
738
00:39:25,035 --> 00:39:28,107
chicken, just eat chicken and
see how you feel. But what we
739
00:39:28,147 --> 00:39:30,785
find is that over time, people
tend to gravitate to the less
740
00:39:30,845 --> 00:39:34,643
toxic. Tweets. Which to me are
the ruminant. And wildcardfish
741
00:39:34,643 --> 00:39:35,251
if you can get it.
742
00:39:36,761 --> 00:39:37,941
GENERIC: So my thing is
though...
743
00:39:39,233 --> 00:39:44,203
You can still have diseases
by... Eating a lot of meat. You
744
00:39:44,203 --> 00:39:47,536
know because there's you know
there's hormones being injected
745
00:39:47,576 --> 00:39:50,918
into animals right and it's the
crap that they're eating that
746
00:39:50,978 --> 00:39:56,108
you're talking about and you
know that and then Whereas
747
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:59,954
spraying pesticides on the
vegetables that The animals.
748
00:40:00,129 --> 00:40:03,332
Are eating, which ends up inside
them. And then in turn... Ends
749
00:40:03,352 --> 00:40:06,951
up inside of us. So. You know
there's that food chain.
750
00:40:08,365 --> 00:40:12,104
You know what do you say about
What's your argument with that
751
00:40:12,164 --> 00:40:15,980
about, you know, you could
still... Get I mean, you're
752
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,581
saying, you know, introduce more
meat into the diet. To reverse.
753
00:40:20,011 --> 00:40:23,091
Autoimmune diseases but there's
still other diseases that you
754
00:40:23,091 --> 00:40:25,274
can get. From eating too much
meat.
755
00:40:26,645 --> 00:40:28,533
SAMEER DOSSANI: You know what
what disease can you go from
756
00:40:28,533 --> 00:40:31,001
eating too much meat Like.
757
00:40:33,245 --> 00:40:34,070
GENERIC: If you're...
758
00:40:37,368 --> 00:40:40,454
I mean, I mean, depending on how
the animal is cooked, like that
759
00:40:40,514 --> 00:40:40,714
stuff.
760
00:40:42,081 --> 00:40:44,497
That could also be digestive
because it's rotting inside of
761
00:40:44,538 --> 00:40:46,458
you. And in your intestines.
762
00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:49,831
SAMEER DOSSANI: Yeah, so I think
we need to debunk a lot of... A
763
00:40:49,851 --> 00:40:58,364
lot of this So as far as I'm
aware, right there is so so The
764
00:40:58,385 --> 00:41:00,390
first thing about this rotting
inside of you stuff, like that's
765
00:41:00,410 --> 00:41:03,586
complete nonsense. Thanks So,
so. The food that rots inside
766
00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:05,563
you is actually the vegetable
food. Cause that has to get to
767
00:41:05,543 --> 00:41:05,987
the colon.
768
00:41:06,561 --> 00:41:08,699
Where it has to be, it has to
run, it has to be fermented.
769
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,055
Right. And you don't actually
get a lot of the nutrition. A
770
00:41:11,055 --> 00:41:14,395
lot of that is there to feed.
Thank buy them So plant foods
771
00:41:14,435 --> 00:41:17,203
tend to be digested further
down. That also means they get
772
00:41:17,244 --> 00:41:20,396
excreted quicker. But there's
more sort of rotting going on.
773
00:41:20,396 --> 00:41:21,460
There's less actual digestion.
774
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:24,016
So we need to distinguish
between what happens in the
775
00:41:24,036 --> 00:41:27,183
small intestine, which is actual
That's for humans. What happens?
776
00:41:27,621 --> 00:41:29,835
In the small intestines for
humans. What happens in the
777
00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:33,507
large intestine, the colon,
That's... For the bugs in you.
778
00:41:33,609 --> 00:41:35,620
That's for the microbiome. The
microbiome is very important.
779
00:41:35,934 --> 00:41:36,783
I'm not saying that it's not.
780
00:41:38,112 --> 00:41:41,820
But meat is digested in the
small intestine. Meat is where
781
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:45,071
you get nutrition from. Right
need to digest it further up.
782
00:41:45,272 --> 00:41:48,639
The system and meat is digested
slowly. Why? Because it's got a
783
00:41:48,659 --> 00:41:51,618
lot more nutrients. Thanks. The
body wants to suck as many
784
00:41:51,658 --> 00:41:54,726
nutrients as it can. Ken, out of
that. So it does. It does take
785
00:41:54,747 --> 00:41:57,661
12 to 14 hours for. Me to be
digested. Absolutely true.
786
00:41:58,921 --> 00:42:01,253
But it's not the case that it's.
Rotting in there. Right.
787
00:42:01,273 --> 00:42:04,428
Especially if. It might be
rotting if you have a... If you
788
00:42:04,428 --> 00:42:06,351
don't have an acidic enough
stomach. You don't have an
789
00:42:06,351 --> 00:42:09,412
aesthetic enough. Small
intestine. But that's a problem
790
00:42:09,432 --> 00:42:10,116
that can be fixed.
791
00:42:10,197 --> 00:42:13,096
That's That's a clinical
diagnosis that we can make. Fix
792
00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:16,577
So but if the human. Gut is
functioning correctly. There's
793
00:42:16,577 --> 00:42:20,640
no rotting that's going on
except in the large intestine.
794
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,808
When you have plant foods that
are not digested, that do rot,
795
00:42:23,405 --> 00:42:26,948
in a shorter period of time, six
to eight hours. But it's kind of
796
00:42:26,969 --> 00:42:27,231
gross.
797
00:42:27,331 --> 00:42:30,356
And like, I don't want to go
into how much. Farting and you
798
00:42:30,356 --> 00:42:32,399
know, all this kind of. Gassy
stuff that I had to deal with
799
00:42:32,399 --> 00:42:35,642
when I was vegan, but it's not,
it's not pleasant. Right. So I
800
00:42:35,642 --> 00:42:39,941
think we have to just. Make that
distinction that actually First
801
00:42:39,941 --> 00:42:42,375
of all, what happens in the in
the small intestine.
802
00:42:42,557 --> 00:42:45,669
That's actual nutrition. When
you're eating only plants, those
803
00:42:45,669 --> 00:42:47,721
go straight to the... Large
intestine, they are not I'm not
804
00:42:47,721 --> 00:42:50,899
really feeding you. It's a form
of starvation. It's a form of
805
00:42:50,899 --> 00:42:52,383
fasting. Not fruit.
806
00:42:52,982 --> 00:42:58,409
Right even the the and even the
the plant foods that i recommend
807
00:42:58,449 --> 00:43:01,034
keeping in why i might recommend
keeping them in for the bugs not
808
00:43:01,034 --> 00:43:04,302
for the human the human isn't
getting anything So once we
809
00:43:04,322 --> 00:43:07,067
understand that plants it's
really really difficult to get
810
00:43:07,188 --> 00:43:10,471
any nourishment at all from
plants then we can actually
811
00:43:10,512 --> 00:43:12,048
start to have a proper
discussion about human.
812
00:43:12,048 --> 00:43:15,007
Patricia. Does that make sense?
And from my perspective as an
813
00:43:15,027 --> 00:43:17,242
anthropologist, I mean, you go
back into history and you see
814
00:43:17,282 --> 00:43:20,288
what... Amore rectus. And as all
this we're eating, I mean,
815
00:43:20,308 --> 00:43:21,555
they're eating massive.
816
00:43:22,185 --> 00:43:25,986
Macedons you know elephants and
all these kind of things And
817
00:43:26,006 --> 00:43:28,603
there, you know, when we try and
figure out from their bones how
818
00:43:28,623 --> 00:43:30,455
much meat they were eating per
day. Some of the numbers we're
819
00:43:30,455 --> 00:43:33,946
getting are insane. Like 1.5
kilos a day, that's like. Three
820
00:43:33,967 --> 00:43:35,382
pounds of meat a day per person.
821
00:43:36,841 --> 00:43:39,659
So and those are We're really
the descendants. We're living
822
00:43:40,101 --> 00:43:42,848
descendants of those people. And
remember those people were, they
823
00:43:42,848 --> 00:43:44,839
had. They were taller than us.
They had bigger brains than us.
824
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:46,511
They seem to be healthier than
us.
825
00:43:46,712 --> 00:43:48,765
We look at their bones they
didn't get the kind of old age
826
00:43:48,805 --> 00:43:52,717
diseases it's very hard to tell
the age of a Stone Age human
827
00:43:52,798 --> 00:43:56,899
because You can have a human
who's Clearly, this person, you
828
00:43:56,899 --> 00:43:58,671
know, you can see that there's
evidence that the person was.
829
00:43:59,145 --> 00:44:02,041
Older than 20. But they have the
bones of a 20 year old because
830
00:44:02,041 --> 00:44:02,883
their bones never got old.
831
00:44:03,653 --> 00:44:08,469
The stadium. Right that's That's
our history. And what I'm trying
832
00:44:08,469 --> 00:44:11,658
to say is that if we eat
according to that history, at
833
00:44:11,658 --> 00:44:14,466
least we're going to be. As
healthy as possible. Thank At
834
00:44:14,487 --> 00:44:16,673
least we're not going to have
These new diseases, the diseases
835
00:44:16,713 --> 00:44:17,295
of modernity.
836
00:44:17,677 --> 00:44:21,601
Diseases of civilization. The
diseases are that we all see
837
00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:24,914
around us every day, heart
disease, cancer. And dementia
838
00:44:24,975 --> 00:44:28,218
Alzheimer's. These are the main
killers. To be honest, they
839
00:44:28,218 --> 00:44:31,570
don't need to be killers. Eight
ancestrally appropriate.
840
00:44:31,988 --> 00:44:33,635
Meat-based diets, they wouldn't
be killers.
841
00:44:36,362 --> 00:44:40,701
GENERIC: And the thing is, I
mean, to eat how the ancestors
842
00:44:40,802 --> 00:44:46,074
eat, the thing is, the ancestors
were... In a different time. So
843
00:44:46,175 --> 00:44:49,537
do you think? I mean... There
wasn't a lot of
844
00:44:49,577 --> 00:44:52,927
industrialization. There wasn't
a lot of, you know, so it was.
845
00:44:54,207 --> 00:44:54,899
SAMEER DOSSANI: I mean, we
have...
846
00:44:55,204 --> 00:44:56,922
GENERIC: How can we eat like the
ancestors eat?
847
00:44:58,761 --> 00:45:01,721
SAMEER DOSSANI: So let me let me
Put it to you this way. Right.
848
00:45:01,803 --> 00:45:05,633
So we take. A tiger. From the
wild. Captured the tiger, we put
849
00:45:05,633 --> 00:45:08,372
it in the zoo. Right. Do we
certainly start feeding the
850
00:45:08,372 --> 00:45:10,827
tiger Cheerios? And is that.
What we think is an appropriate
851
00:45:10,827 --> 00:45:14,382
diet for the tiger, or do we?
Through our research. To figure
852
00:45:14,382 --> 00:45:15,954
out, okay, we've changed the
tiger's environment.
853
00:45:16,076 --> 00:45:18,820
But what was it eating in the
wild? And we have to get it a
854
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,609
diet that's as close to what it
was. Wild. As we kept it. And
855
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:26,014
the answer is that we do the
latter. And, you know, humans.
856
00:45:26,540 --> 00:45:28,996
Physiologically, we haven't
changed in 350,000 years. We
857
00:45:29,057 --> 00:45:32,620
are. We are genetically
identical. C'est bon human
858
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:33,717
350,000 years ago.
859
00:45:35,043 --> 00:45:38,957
What would be the hypothesis?
You know your your hypothesis
860
00:45:39,038 --> 00:45:42,195
that is that in industrial
capitalism something changes in
861
00:45:42,215 --> 00:45:45,814
human physiology so we need
another kind of diet. It seems
862
00:45:45,834 --> 00:45:49,591
like a pretty ridiculous
hypothesis to me. Thank So the
863
00:45:49,631 --> 00:45:52,765
hypothesis, the fact that we
haven't changed in 300,000
864
00:45:52,785 --> 00:45:54,963
years. That's a matter of. Fact.
865
00:45:55,351 --> 00:45:58,001
No one can dispute that. No
paleoanthropologist will dispute
866
00:45:58,001 --> 00:46:00,976
that. No anthropologist will
dispute that. Thank So given
867
00:46:00,976 --> 00:46:03,181
that that's the case, doesn't it
make sense to look at the diet
868
00:46:03,221 --> 00:46:05,685
we evolved in the past? It
doesn't. Let's go. And use that
869
00:46:05,665 --> 00:46:08,462
at least at the starting point.
And take away all the crap.
870
00:46:08,583 --> 00:46:11,164
Like, and by crap, I don't just
mean the obvious crap. The
871
00:46:11,224 --> 00:46:14,310
chocolate and the But things
like things like peanuts, I
872
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:17,822
mean, how would we have access
to peanuts in the wild? Maybe in
873
00:46:17,801 --> 00:46:22,225
a very short period of time. Or
tree nuts. Or even fruit. The
874
00:46:22,246 --> 00:46:25,012
fruit that exists today is way
more sugary than fruit that
875
00:46:25,032 --> 00:46:26,455
existed even a few hundred years
ago.
876
00:46:27,379 --> 00:46:29,647
Or things like the brassica
family vegetables the entire
877
00:46:29,707 --> 00:46:32,448
family of vegetables which has
only existed for a couple of
878
00:46:32,448 --> 00:46:36,431
hundred. Cheers. Right Some of
them are newer than that.
879
00:46:36,673 --> 00:46:39,878
Broccolis Cauliflower is
cabbages, et cetera, right?
880
00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:42,645
These are new foods. And if we,
I'm not saying we can't eat
881
00:46:42,645 --> 00:46:44,705
them, We should just be aware
that they are not.
882
00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:49,289
Appropriate food for humans.
Like I'm not saying your cat
883
00:46:49,369 --> 00:46:52,873
can't have a treat of something.
Good dog. Can't have a i don't
884
00:46:52,873 --> 00:46:57,310
know what dog treats are but
like You know, I knew a dog with
885
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:59,681
like licking, you know even
chocolate pudding off the...
886
00:47:00,143 --> 00:47:02,422
Off the plates of his owners or
something like that. I'm not
887
00:47:02,442 --> 00:47:05,014
saying that's... Bad but If
you're going to do that to your
888
00:47:05,014 --> 00:47:07,527
dog, you should understand that
that's not an ancestrally
889
00:47:07,567 --> 00:47:09,011
appropriate diet and they may
get sick.
890
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,436
And if you're going to do that
to yourself, you should
891
00:47:11,456 --> 00:47:13,623
understand that that's not an
ancestrally appropriate diet.
892
00:47:13,952 --> 00:47:16,126
And you may get sick. Now, in
humans, it's a little bit more
893
00:47:16,126 --> 00:47:18,713
complicated because We're all
trying to survive. Gracias Life
894
00:47:18,733 --> 00:47:21,769
is. Tough. You're living in New
York City, I believe, which is
895
00:47:21,749 --> 00:47:22,030
one of the...
896
00:47:23,393 --> 00:47:26,395
Busiest places in the world and
you know. High stress place,
897
00:47:26,435 --> 00:47:29,113
right? So if people get addicted
to carbohydrates and get
898
00:47:29,133 --> 00:47:32,748
addicted to sugar and want to
eat these things. Go for it. I'm
899
00:47:32,768 --> 00:47:34,859
not saying you can't do that,
but just be aware that you're
900
00:47:34,859 --> 00:47:36,366
treating it like a drug in that
case.
901
00:47:37,252 --> 00:47:39,018
Food is your drug. To get
through the day, which is
902
00:47:39,018 --> 00:47:41,802
totally fine. No judgment? I was
addicted to cigarettes for
903
00:47:41,823 --> 00:47:45,263
years. I do have the odd drink
and so on. So I'm nothing
904
00:47:45,303 --> 00:47:48,288
against drugs. You can use
drugs. But be aware of what
905
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:48,553
you're doing.
906
00:47:49,677 --> 00:47:50,151
Make sense?
907
00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:00,949
I think I've lost you,
Gabrielle. Can you hear me?
908
00:48:06,548 --> 00:48:08,269
Sorry, I think I lost you for a
second. Can you hear me now?
909
00:48:08,924 --> 00:48:14,619
GENERIC: Yeah, yeah, I can hear
you. Yeah Yeah, yeah. So...
910
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,326
So now what?
911
00:48:18,467 --> 00:48:26,145
So just to... Wind things down a
bit so now what it what is what
912
00:48:26,145 --> 00:48:30,270
is your recommendation what what
is your What do you want people
913
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:31,802
to know about?
914
00:48:34,548 --> 00:48:36,766
Having an animal-based diet.
915
00:48:37,943 --> 00:48:39,506
SAMEER DOSSANI: I mean, I think
the first thing to say is that
916
00:48:40,047 --> 00:48:42,692
most of us, even those of us who
aren't vegetarian, most of us
917
00:48:42,792 --> 00:48:46,416
are eating plant-based diets.
And I think those come with
918
00:48:47,078 --> 00:48:49,365
potential side effects, and we
should all be aware of them. And
919
00:48:49,365 --> 00:48:52,227
sometimes you don't feel the
side effects at age. 20 or 30
920
00:48:52,371 --> 00:48:55,394
but by the time you get a bit
older, you should know what's
921
00:48:55,414 --> 00:48:55,835
going on.
922
00:48:56,357 --> 00:48:58,362
So point number one is that
we're all eating plant based
923
00:48:58,423 --> 00:49:01,411
diets and the diseases that
we're seeing in society are a
924
00:49:01,431 --> 00:49:03,546
result of the diets that we're
eating. Now we can say, okay,
925
00:49:03,546 --> 00:49:05,272
there's junk food and there's
other things in there, et
926
00:49:05,272 --> 00:49:09,635
cetera. Fair enough. But point
two is that. There's no evidence
927
00:49:09,655 --> 00:49:11,169
behind the plant-based
recommendations.
928
00:49:11,828 --> 00:49:14,272
Another problem that we have is
that you know, the bias that
929
00:49:14,292 --> 00:49:17,486
you. You had going into this
discussion. It's everyone's bias
930
00:49:17,506 --> 00:49:20,341
for a reason. It's what we've
been told since the 1970s, in
931
00:49:20,361 --> 00:49:22,488
fact. It's what the dietitians
have been saying since the
932
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:26,499
1920s. And there's a reason for
that. And I don't need to go
933
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,065
into it, but...
934
00:49:27,396 --> 00:49:30,517
The people who set up the modern
schools of nutrition. Were
935
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,811
religiously motivated people.
Seventh-day Adventists. Who had
936
00:49:33,811 --> 00:49:36,538
an agenda pushing vegetarianism.
And the way that they chose to
937
00:49:36,538 --> 00:49:39,852
do that was to set up schools of
dietetics and so on. So just to
938
00:49:39,872 --> 00:49:42,484
say that there's no evidence
behind those. Guidelines.
939
00:49:42,484 --> 00:49:46,077
There's no evidence behind that.
Schools of nutrition at all.
940
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:49,929
But they've been able to exert a
lot of power without the
941
00:49:49,949 --> 00:49:53,061
evidence. And number three is
that the default human diet is
942
00:49:53,061 --> 00:49:56,925
a... Very is a meat-based diet
And until we have evidence that
943
00:49:56,966 --> 00:50:00,096
some other diet is going to be
safe for us, we should assume
944
00:50:00,096 --> 00:50:02,800
that if we have any issues at
all, We should go back to the
945
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,306
meat based diet.
946
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,327
And at some point in our life,
all of us are going to have it.
947
00:50:05,351 --> 00:50:07,075
Problem Right now, the
statistics say that if you're
948
00:50:07,075 --> 00:50:10,110
born... In the year 2000 you
have a 50 chance of getting
949
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:15,030
cancer by the time 50. 60.
Sorry. So, so it's, you know,
950
00:50:15,091 --> 00:50:17,335
all of us are. Heading down a
road.
951
00:50:19,341 --> 00:50:22,714
And we need to be aware that
when we... Come across. Health
952
00:50:22,735 --> 00:50:26,332
that is less than optimal when
we have any issues. We should
953
00:50:26,372 --> 00:50:28,857
revert to a default human diet,
which is going to be a
954
00:50:28,957 --> 00:50:30,688
meat-based, animal-based. All
right.
955
00:50:32,973 --> 00:50:33,685
GENERIC: And you're not.
956
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:40,561
It's not you're not necessarily
advocating for 100 percent Me,
957
00:50:41,585 --> 00:50:43,674
you're still advocating a
balanced diet.
958
00:50:44,851 --> 00:50:46,855
SAMEER DOSSANI: No so i hate the
term balance dot i think it's i
959
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:49,901
think it's really inappropriate
like if we look at If we look at
960
00:50:49,901 --> 00:50:52,472
what humans would have been
eating in the past, Again, it
961
00:50:52,452 --> 00:50:56,980
would have been like. Maybe you
get some. Some seasonal berries
962
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:59,823
or something in the daytime or
some tubers or something But
963
00:51:00,024 --> 00:51:01,366
that's enough to get you through
the hunt.
964
00:51:01,486 --> 00:51:03,269
In the hunt, you kill an animal
and you're eating that animal
965
00:51:03,269 --> 00:51:05,670
for the next two or three days.
So I think this idea of balanced
966
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:08,860
diet is super problematic. I
mean, but that said, I'm in
967
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:10,726
favor of people eating how they
want to eat.
968
00:51:11,969 --> 00:51:14,509
And so. With that in mind, that
most people don't want to do a
969
00:51:14,529 --> 00:51:17,637
purely... Carnivorous diet. I
don't. Usually use that i do use
970
00:51:17,637 --> 00:51:20,677
it therapy to keep purposes.
People who have really damaged
971
00:51:20,677 --> 00:51:24,271
their gut. Usually through
veganism. So if someone's gut is
972
00:51:24,291 --> 00:51:27,574
super damaged, we need to go on
a... Purely carnivorous, not a
973
00:51:27,674 --> 00:51:30,346
gram of plant food. Thanks for
for a certain period of time.
974
00:51:30,935 --> 00:51:33,165
But then usually we try and
reintroduce plant foods because
975
00:51:33,205 --> 00:51:35,121
most people do want a little
bit. We're living in the real
976
00:51:35,161 --> 00:51:39,082
world. You know? My My daughter
is going to turn 15 in a couple
977
00:51:39,082 --> 00:51:40,956
of months. I want to have a
slice of birthday cake, you
978
00:51:40,956 --> 00:51:44,899
know? That's life. Right. So in
order to do that, my gut needs
979
00:51:44,919 --> 00:51:46,266
to be at a certain level of
healing.
980
00:51:47,517 --> 00:51:51,712
And I also need to be able to.
Tolerate a variety of foods. So
981
00:51:51,692 --> 00:51:54,624
I don't think I'll have cake
every day. But I will keep some
982
00:51:54,664 --> 00:51:57,329
plant foods in. You know, at
least a few times a week. So
983
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:59,247
that I can tolerate plant foods
when I'm exposed to them.
984
00:52:00,744 --> 00:52:03,548
But you know so there's a
difference but if someone's as i
985
00:52:03,588 --> 00:52:06,186
mentioned super sick especially
with gut health then we would
986
00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:08,427
need to take the plant foods out
altogether. But in general, I
987
00:52:08,427 --> 00:52:10,870
don't advocate that. That's
true. It's not that I don't
988
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:13,322
advocate it, it's just that I
don't need to use it clinically.
989
00:52:13,944 --> 00:52:16,943
In general, we can We can hit
the targets, we can fix you. We
990
00:52:16,923 --> 00:52:19,148
can fix your gut. We can fix
your autoimmune issues. We can
991
00:52:19,188 --> 00:52:22,786
fix your diabetes. We can help
you lose weight. Without go into
992
00:52:22,807 --> 00:52:25,850
a purely carnivorous diet unless
you want to. In general, we can
993
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:27,135
use other methods to get there.
994
00:52:29,064 --> 00:52:31,997
GENERIC: Okay, so it depends on
the individual and it depends
995
00:52:31,997 --> 00:52:38,818
on... Ph. Balance and How much?
How much meat can they tolerate?
996
00:52:39,596 --> 00:52:41,014
How can their bodies tolerate?
997
00:52:43,603 --> 00:52:44,907
SAMEER DOSSANI: Well, it's not
about how much meat can our
998
00:52:44,907 --> 00:52:46,993
bodies tolerate, because I think
all of us could. Can live on a
999
00:52:47,013 --> 00:52:49,021
purely carnivorous, nearly all
of us can live on a purely
1000
00:52:49,061 --> 00:52:51,391
carnivorous diet if we wanted
to, but it's more about what do
1001
00:52:51,391 --> 00:52:54,365
you want to do? What do you need
in order to be able to heal? So
1002
00:52:54,365 --> 00:52:55,132
if someone's coming to me...
1003
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:58,695
For example, I have a bit of
luck. So the autoimmune disease.
1004
00:52:58,755 --> 00:53:01,677
Disease that I have is called
vitiligo. This whole arm was
1005
00:53:01,758 --> 00:53:04,754
pretty much white. Now there's
just a couple of spots here. Oh,
1006
00:53:04,754 --> 00:53:07,712
at the moment it's showing up
okay. But, You know, if I'm
1007
00:53:07,733 --> 00:53:09,222
walking down the street, no one
can tell.
1008
00:53:09,753 --> 00:53:14,555
I have a lot of. Right I got rid
of it. Yeah, I did use a purely
1009
00:53:14,595 --> 00:53:17,063
carnivorous diet. But that was
like a month long experiment.
1010
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:20,800
I've gotten rid of this. Mostly
through just increasing the
1011
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,813
amount of meat that I eat and
reducing. Carbohydrates.
1012
00:53:23,532 --> 00:53:26,379
Spending time in ketosis and so
on. With a variety of
1013
00:53:26,379 --> 00:53:26,982
strategies.
1014
00:53:28,366 --> 00:53:31,847
But. You know, you can reverse
autoimmune. Without going to
1015
00:53:31,847 --> 00:53:35,414
your car. Sure maybe it'll help
going through. But you don't
1016
00:53:35,494 --> 00:53:36,549
need to if you don't want to.
To.
1017
00:53:38,796 --> 00:53:41,902
GENERIC: So I guess, I'm still
trying to wrap my head around
1018
00:53:42,203 --> 00:53:45,557
this. So... Pure carnivore, what
do you mean by that?
1019
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,804
SAMEER DOSSANI: So there's
there's a, you know, You're
1020
00:53:48,804 --> 00:53:50,749
obviously not in the same
Facebook group as I am. So
1021
00:53:52,233 --> 00:53:56,182
there's a growing number of
people. I call them kind of the
1022
00:53:56,202 --> 00:53:57,166
carnivore cultists.
1023
00:53:58,512 --> 00:54:02,024
Who and I don't. I mean, it's,
it's. Thank I was sort of one of
1024
00:54:02,024 --> 00:54:04,930
them so i don't mean to be
disparaging like i i understand
1025
00:54:04,930 --> 00:54:07,046
what they're doing But for me,
it shouldn't be a religion.
1026
00:54:07,147 --> 00:54:10,374
Right. So there are people who
like. You know, All I eat is
1027
00:54:10,414 --> 00:54:13,484
beef and water. If you eat
anything else, you're out of the
1028
00:54:13,504 --> 00:54:14,429
club. Yep.
1029
00:54:14,876 --> 00:54:16,886
Did it wrong you don't know what
you're doing they're exactly the
1030
00:54:17,047 --> 00:54:21,416
the mirror of vegans right What
I'm saying is all you want to
1031
00:54:21,436 --> 00:54:24,505
have is beef and water and
associated fat. Go for it. Knock
1032
00:54:24,505 --> 00:54:28,920
yourself out. I don't care. But
That's... Small, tiny minority
1033
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:32,801
of people on this planet. And I
am here to help. I don't know if
1034
00:54:32,781 --> 00:54:35,276
I can help the majority. That's
a bit ambitious. But I'm here to
1035
00:54:35,316 --> 00:54:36,061
help anyone who.
1036
00:54:36,575 --> 00:54:39,064
Anyone who wants to anyone who
wants help with a variety of
1037
00:54:39,084 --> 00:54:41,091
strategies you don't have to if
you come to me and you don't
1038
00:54:41,091 --> 00:54:44,464
want to be a pure carnivore I'm
still going to help you. In
1039
00:54:44,464 --> 00:54:46,151
fact, if you come to me and you
want to stay vegan, I'm still
1040
00:54:46,151 --> 00:54:47,717
going to try to help you, but
I'm going to warn you that it's
1041
00:54:47,717 --> 00:54:49,288
going to be difficult. Right.
1042
00:54:50,849 --> 00:54:54,287
And most people. You know,
they'll eventually they'll
1043
00:54:54,308 --> 00:54:56,502
introduce some animal foods at
some point in working with me.
1044
00:54:59,937 --> 00:55:03,608
GENERIC: So, I mean, yeah, so
there's the... The extremes
1045
00:55:03,689 --> 00:55:07,919
right you have the vegans, which
is... One end and then you have
1046
00:55:07,939 --> 00:55:12,914
the pure carnivores in the in
the other end right so i'm just
1047
00:55:12,954 --> 00:55:18,899
i guess your goal in terms of
What do you want your clients to
1048
00:55:18,919 --> 00:55:21,226
achieve? What do you help your
clients to achieve is to be
1049
00:55:21,306 --> 00:55:24,416
somewhere in the middle. Not
really be in the extremes.
1050
00:55:24,966 --> 00:55:28,215
SAMEER DOSSANI: Most clients
want that. And most clients are
1051
00:55:28,215 --> 00:55:30,087
fine with that. There are
people, for example, people with
1052
00:55:30,127 --> 00:55:33,317
eating disorders. With a history
of eating disorders, who we find
1053
00:55:33,337 --> 00:55:35,918
that actually a purely
carnivorous approach tends to
1054
00:55:36,886 --> 00:55:37,939
tends to be really beneficial.
1055
00:55:39,449 --> 00:55:41,656
You know, People say, well,
that's another reading disorder.
1056
00:55:41,696 --> 00:55:44,817
I disagree. Because as I said,
because I think this is the
1057
00:55:44,817 --> 00:55:47,183
default human diet. So what we
find with people with a history
1058
00:55:47,183 --> 00:55:49,713
of eating disorders, So.
Sometimes we'll put them on a
1059
00:55:49,753 --> 00:55:52,358
purely carnivorous diet and
they, for the first time, in
1060
00:55:52,358 --> 00:55:52,971
their lives.
1061
00:55:54,901 --> 00:55:56,857
They don't have a strenuous
relationship with food.
1062
00:55:58,514 --> 00:56:00,908
So that, you know, there's a
power in pure carnivore that I
1063
00:56:00,908 --> 00:56:01,592
don't want to deny.
1064
00:56:02,751 --> 00:56:05,384
But most people don't want that.
Most people want to be able to
1065
00:56:05,404 --> 00:56:08,101
have a slice of birthday cake at
their daughter's. Birthday or
1066
00:56:08,101 --> 00:56:12,398
whatever. Right. And so that's
why. The versions of the diets
1067
00:56:12,419 --> 00:56:16,144
that I tend to use. Keep some
plant foods in. And are a little
1068
00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:19,580
bit a little bit more flexible.
Now it's difficult because plant
1069
00:56:19,621 --> 00:56:20,951
foods, it's like a person by
person.
1070
00:56:21,821 --> 00:56:25,993
Case if someone is presenting
with type 2 diabetes and you
1071
00:56:25,993 --> 00:56:27,979
know, then what plant foods do
we keep in? Well, we can't
1072
00:56:28,019 --> 00:56:31,643
really keep the the fruits in it
all. Like even probably
1073
00:56:31,805 --> 00:56:34,822
blueberries have too much sugar.
So we need to take the fruits
1074
00:56:34,822 --> 00:56:37,207
out altogether. Together. If
someone is presenting with
1075
00:56:37,207 --> 00:56:39,640
thyroid issues, then do I want
to give them fermented cabbage?
1076
00:56:39,821 --> 00:56:43,798
In in in kimchi Maybe not. You
know Maybe we'll try and find
1077
00:56:43,838 --> 00:56:47,299
something else. That they can
tolerate better. So, you know,
1078
00:56:47,501 --> 00:56:50,567
the meat is like anyone can. Can
have More meat. There's no
1079
00:56:50,587 --> 00:56:53,331
problem with that. Plant foods,
it becomes a very complicated
1080
00:56:53,372 --> 00:56:55,793
discussion. What plant foods can
we keep in? What do we take out?
1081
00:56:56,309 --> 00:57:00,570
You know, you mentioned Beans,
beans have lectin. Lectins The
1082
00:57:00,590 --> 00:57:03,437
most famous lectin is gluten.
But all plants have lectins.
1083
00:57:03,437 --> 00:57:07,160
Thanks. And lectins bind with
certain... With certain
1084
00:57:07,221 --> 00:57:10,714
minerals. And Peace You know,
the problem in our diets is. We
1085
00:57:10,734 --> 00:57:13,451
tend to have the same plant
foods again and again. Those
1086
00:57:13,451 --> 00:57:15,168
plant foods are binding with the
same minerals.
1087
00:57:15,501 --> 00:57:17,449
We have people who are showing
up with massive iron
1088
00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:21,647
deficiencies. Massive calcium
deficiencies massive Things you
1089
00:57:21,647 --> 00:57:23,760
wouldn't think of, copper
deficiencies. Copper is a...
1090
00:57:24,362 --> 00:57:26,605
Microdutrient that you need in
really, really small quantities.
1091
00:57:26,605 --> 00:57:29,493
Thanks. But if someone hasn't
eaten, for example, beef in
1092
00:57:29,554 --> 00:57:31,264
years, beef is a very good
source of copper.
1093
00:57:33,243 --> 00:57:36,912
Or or same right you know,
Copper and Sync are together in
1094
00:57:36,912 --> 00:57:39,842
tandem. So if someone is having
too much zinc, then they can
1095
00:57:39,842 --> 00:57:41,910
have a copper deficiency. If
someone is having too much
1096
00:57:41,970 --> 00:57:44,399
copper, they can have zinc
deficiency. These are really
1097
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,046
complicated.
1098
00:57:46,187 --> 00:57:49,246
Discussions? And the problem I
have with the plant foods is
1099
00:57:49,825 --> 00:57:53,355
Again. They're all causing some
kind of imbalance. We'll unless
1100
00:57:53,376 --> 00:57:56,441
they're fermented. So ideally,
if you want to formulate a
1101
00:57:56,441 --> 00:57:58,749
vegetarian diet that's healthy,
you need to be eating different
1102
00:57:58,769 --> 00:57:59,773
foods like every day of the
week.
1103
00:58:00,618 --> 00:58:03,549
Need to really be mixing it up.
But that's not possible in the
1104
00:58:03,549 --> 00:58:08,227
modern food environments for
most of us. So That's why we
1105
00:58:08,247 --> 00:58:10,680
tend to say if you want to stay
healthy. One of the probably
1106
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,178
want to try that. Thanks for
the. Vegetable based, the plant
1107
00:58:13,198 --> 00:58:13,783
based diets.
1108
00:58:15,506 --> 00:58:17,455
GENERIC: So I think you are.
1109
00:58:20,570 --> 00:58:23,540
I'm having an internal battle
listening to you talk. But.
1110
00:58:25,539 --> 00:58:31,755
I think you are. Bringing light
to the The Dark Side of veganism
1111
00:58:31,796 --> 00:58:35,752
and vegetarianism is that you
are You are.
1112
00:58:38,336 --> 00:58:42,172
Boom. You're not getting enough
protein that your body needs and
1113
00:58:42,172 --> 00:58:44,697
you're not getting enough
nutrients that your body needs.
1114
00:58:47,651 --> 00:58:48,500
And it's...
1115
00:58:49,853 --> 00:58:53,654
And it's as humans, like we need
to. Consume more.
1116
00:58:54,908 --> 00:58:58,334
Naturally so it it does
highlight the dark side of.
1117
00:58:59,923 --> 00:59:06,880
Of having a plant-based diet and
you are and and it does lead to
1118
00:59:07,021 --> 00:59:10,328
diseases when you're not getting
enough nutrients and you know
1119
00:59:10,409 --> 00:59:12,954
you're not Thank getting what
you're, you know, you're not
1120
00:59:12,994 --> 00:59:19,079
getting. That sustenance But I
think we also have to
1121
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:20,044
acknowledge that.
1122
00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:26,097
The same thing can go from just
eating just purely meat like you
1123
00:59:26,138 --> 00:59:30,505
could still That might be too.
Your body can be oversaturated
1124
00:59:30,545 --> 00:59:31,288
with nutrients.
1125
00:59:33,057 --> 00:59:34,621
SAMEER DOSSANI: So I don't think
that's the case.
1126
00:59:36,498 --> 00:59:38,690
Yeah, I mean, you have to give
me a very specific example. The
1127
00:59:38,791 --> 00:59:42,289
only example I know of in
history in nature of So we're.
1128
00:59:42,493 --> 00:59:45,971
You know, in the human record of
someone poisoning themselves
1129
00:59:46,011 --> 00:59:47,956
with animal foods. I'm not
talking about food poisoning or
1130
00:59:47,956 --> 00:59:49,882
something. Food poisoning can
happen with anything. The
1131
00:59:49,922 --> 00:59:52,333
biggest cause of food poisoning
in the United States is salad.
1132
00:59:52,455 --> 00:59:54,250
Bye. Some huge factor, I think.
1133
00:59:55,386 --> 00:59:57,521
So forget about food poisoning,
that's a different discussion.
1134
00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:00,699
But the only case was someone
who accidentally or who ate
1135
01:00:00,739 --> 01:00:04,791
polar bear liver. Polar bear
liver has... Something like
1136
01:00:04,851 --> 01:00:08,056
5,000 or. 500,000. I'm not going
to get the number right, but...
1137
01:00:08,379 --> 01:00:09,518
Has a huge amount of vitamin A.
1138
01:00:10,078 --> 01:00:12,268
So you can get vitamin A
toxicity from eating polar bear
1139
01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:14,437
liver, but most of us are not
going around eating polar bear
1140
01:00:14,497 --> 01:00:18,422
liver. Even the Inuit who eat
polar bear They don't eat the
1141
01:00:18,442 --> 01:00:23,697
liver. So. I don't know that
this is, you know, you i i work
1142
01:00:23,717 --> 01:00:26,933
in facts you know i work in
concrete stuff So if you give me
1143
01:00:27,073 --> 01:00:29,965
a case of someone who's poisoned
themselves by eating pound and a
1144
01:00:29,985 --> 01:00:30,509
half of meat.
1145
01:00:30,652 --> 01:00:34,012
Day The other thing with meat is
that it... Unlike the
1146
01:00:34,053 --> 01:00:37,900
hyper-processed palatable junk
foods out there. Where they say,
1147
01:00:38,206 --> 01:00:40,110
Bet you can't eat one. Well,
they've designed it so that it's
1148
01:00:40,110 --> 01:00:42,123
super addictive and you won't be
able to eat just one. You'll You
1149
01:00:42,123 --> 01:00:44,133
won't be able to eat just one
bag. You'd eat as many bags
1150
01:00:44,153 --> 01:00:46,624
as... With the the chips as they
are in the house, right?
1151
01:00:46,998 --> 01:00:48,469
Because that's how it's
designed. It's designed to be
1152
01:00:48,489 --> 01:00:52,145
super addictive. Meat has
satiety mechanisms associated.
1153
01:00:53,010 --> 01:00:55,886
So if I eat a pound of meat, I
can't have any more. You go to
1154
01:00:55,886 --> 01:00:58,623
the Chinese takeaway or
whatever. You have. All the
1155
01:00:58,643 --> 01:01:01,745
spare ribs you can eat. You
can't have any more. But then
1156
01:01:01,826 --> 01:01:03,214
suddenly someone says, how about
dessert?
1157
01:01:03,214 --> 01:01:05,741
And you say, oh yeah, I can have
dessert. Because dessert is that
1158
01:01:05,781 --> 01:01:08,657
hyper palatable junk. Again. But
you can't have more meat than...
1159
01:01:08,921 --> 01:01:11,304
And Once you're. Once your
body's full, there's a tidy
1160
01:01:11,344 --> 01:01:15,080
mechanism. Kick in because
that's proper human food humans
1161
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,951
are supposed to eat until
they're full and then not eat
1162
01:01:16,991 --> 01:01:21,269
anymore so it To answer your
question, is there a problem
1163
01:01:21,309 --> 01:01:22,217
associated with too much meat?
1164
01:01:22,460 --> 01:01:25,932
I think the answer is no. Now,
if I play devil's advocate, the
1165
01:01:25,972 --> 01:01:29,500
only problem that people...
Claim to see. Is that you're
1166
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,076
eating more saturated fat,
especially people who eat dairy.
1167
01:01:32,157 --> 01:01:35,118
Dairy is the biggest source of
saturated fat. Bye. By the good
1168
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:37,256
measure. And saturated fat.
1169
01:01:38,612 --> 01:01:41,975
By some estimates, Very bad
estimates, in my opinion. Is
1170
01:01:41,995 --> 01:01:43,905
associated with heart disease.
1171
01:01:45,406 --> 01:01:48,133
So. I mean, this is a whole
other discussion.
1172
01:01:49,342 --> 01:01:51,395
But again, I mean, I can just
give you my own example.
1173
01:01:52,555 --> 01:01:55,427
I do eat dairy. I do eat a lot
of saturated fat. Ldl,
1174
01:01:55,488 --> 01:01:59,210
cholesterol. Through the roof. I
have LDL cholesterol around 400
1175
01:01:59,210 --> 01:02:03,570
or so on. I had high. Ldl
cholesterol, even when I was LDL
1176
01:02:03,590 --> 01:02:05,637
cholesterol is a misnomer,
actually. Which is A. I don't
1177
01:02:05,657 --> 01:02:08,617
know how scientifically. Point
again LDL is a lipoprotein that
1178
01:02:08,637 --> 01:02:11,432
carries cholesterol around the
body. Body LDL it. Cholesterol
1179
01:02:11,452 --> 01:02:13,837
is necessary for life. I mean,
This is just the very basic
1180
01:02:13,898 --> 01:02:14,141
stuff.
1181
01:02:15,398 --> 01:02:18,406
When my doctors, when I go to
see a new doctor, I say, hi, my
1182
01:02:18,426 --> 01:02:20,872
name is Samir and I have an LDL
of 400. That's how I introduce
1183
01:02:20,892 --> 01:02:23,950
myself as if I'm an alcoholic.
Great. And then I then the
1184
01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:25,738
doctor says, OK, have you
thought about that sentence?
1185
01:02:25,758 --> 01:02:27,866
I said, I want to take that
because statins are associated
1186
01:02:27,866 --> 01:02:30,370
with diabetes. Diabetes give us
all the problems that I
1187
01:02:30,370 --> 01:02:34,325
mentioned, cancer, dementia.
Heart disease, etc. And one
1188
01:02:34,345 --> 01:02:36,297
doctor said look why don't you
go and at least get tested now
1189
01:02:36,357 --> 01:02:39,313
i've had an ldl in the Between
400 and say 600.
1190
01:02:41,513 --> 01:02:45,195
Six to seven years. Okay. Since
I first started doing this. So
1191
01:02:45,195 --> 01:02:47,120
you would think, and before that
it was high. And by the way, I
1192
01:02:47,201 --> 01:02:49,106
used to smoke cigarettes as
well. So you'd think I'd be in a
1193
01:02:49,126 --> 01:02:53,110
very high risk category. What
Artism. Thanks So I got myself
1194
01:02:53,151 --> 01:02:55,585
checked. I got what's called a
coronary artery calcium score.
1195
01:02:56,243 --> 01:02:59,249
This measures the amount of
carc- calcified plaque in the
1196
01:02:59,249 --> 01:03:02,239
heart. Good. And My score was
zero.
1197
01:03:03,488 --> 01:03:07,791
Now, I'm in. 47 years old. A
third of... Men my age have a
1198
01:03:07,811 --> 01:03:10,771
positive score, they have a
non-zero score. Right. Zero
1199
01:03:10,853 --> 01:03:13,813
scores is basically meant to
think meant to be the jurors.
1200
01:03:13,915 --> 01:03:16,614
Pretty much bulletproof. Heart
disease right Nothing's going to
1201
01:03:16,614 --> 01:03:18,188
happen to you for at least five
years other than you need to
1202
01:03:18,208 --> 01:03:19,660
get. Retest it. Right.
1203
01:03:21,066 --> 01:03:23,730
I mean, just to say that the
whole I won't go into the whole
1204
01:03:23,730 --> 01:03:25,513
science of the cholesterol
debate right here, but just to
1205
01:03:25,533 --> 01:03:25,814
say that.
1206
01:03:27,231 --> 01:03:31,170
The cholesterol discussion. Was
founded on some pretty shoddy
1207
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:34,781
science. Back in the 1950s. And
there's data coming out. In
1208
01:03:34,781 --> 01:03:37,451
fact, there's data coming out
next week, December 8th. Which
1209
01:03:37,451 --> 01:03:38,256
will be a huge.
1210
01:03:39,792 --> 01:03:43,442
Step forward in understanding
how LDL is not necessarily
1211
01:03:43,482 --> 01:03:45,774
associated. Associated with
heart disease, especially in
1212
01:03:45,774 --> 01:03:47,472
people consuming. Mostly me
tired.
1213
01:03:49,838 --> 01:03:50,224
GENERIC: Yeah.
1214
01:03:51,807 --> 01:03:55,188
Well, this is a very complex
issue and. Unfortunately we
1215
01:03:55,208 --> 01:04:01,175
gotta wrap this up but it's very
complex and There's a lot of
1216
01:04:01,175 --> 01:04:04,411
different sides here, and we
didn't even get into... The
1217
01:04:04,472 --> 01:04:08,873
controversy of... You know You
know, people don't like eating
1218
01:04:09,034 --> 01:04:13,227
cute animals, you know, so. We
didn't even get into the. The
1219
01:04:13,267 --> 01:04:14,521
controversy of that. But.
1220
01:04:15,721 --> 01:04:16,714
So But...
1221
01:04:25,770 --> 01:04:27,196
SAMEER DOSSANI: I think I lost
you again, Gabrielle. Can you
1222
01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:27,437
hear me?
1223
01:04:44,075 --> 01:04:44,402
GENERIC: So much.
1224
01:04:47,431 --> 01:04:50,065
SAMEER DOSSANI: Yeah, now you're
muted. I'll be back. Yeah, go
1225
01:04:50,187 --> 01:04:50,940
ahead.
1226
01:04:51,148 --> 01:04:54,843
GENERIC: Bye. Keep freezing
Thank All right. So I like to
1227
01:04:54,903 --> 01:04:57,066
ask my guests. Words of wisdom.
1228
01:04:58,619 --> 01:05:00,448
Do you have any words of wisdom
you'd like to share with our
1229
01:05:00,468 --> 01:05:00,849
audience?
1230
01:05:02,434 --> 01:05:03,859
SAMEER DOSSANI: Yeah, no, I
think we've been through most of
1231
01:05:03,859 --> 01:05:09,206
it. I mean, I think valuing your
health is really important. And
1232
01:05:09,186 --> 01:05:11,534
I think at the end of the day,
it's all we have. I look at my
1233
01:05:11,634 --> 01:05:12,737
friends who have...
1234
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:16,823
Thank lost their health even for
a short period of time. And
1235
01:05:16,864 --> 01:05:19,388
everything else. Goes by the
wayside of your creative
1236
01:05:19,408 --> 01:05:22,592
projects, your relationships.
Nothing else matters if you
1237
01:05:22,592 --> 01:05:25,195
don't have your health. We just
encourage all your listeners
1238
01:05:25,255 --> 01:05:25,376
to...
1239
01:05:26,791 --> 01:05:30,048
To make decisions that they
think are healthy. And if those
1240
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:32,100
decisions are not serving their
health. Then of course there
1241
01:05:32,242 --> 01:05:35,057
They're welcome to. Reach out to
me or another health coach who
1242
01:05:35,057 --> 01:05:38,715
can help them. Find a path to
health at best health. That best
1243
01:05:38,776 --> 01:05:39,267
suits them.
1244
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,937
GENERIC: That's wonderful. Well,
Samira, thank you so much for
1245
01:05:44,997 --> 01:05:48,530
coming on Hot Topics and thank
you for coming back. On my show
1246
01:05:48,670 --> 01:05:50,017
i appreciate you being here.
1247
01:05:51,042 --> 01:05:52,478
SAMEER DOSSANI: Thank No, it's
only a pleasure, Gabrielle.
1248
01:05:52,498 --> 01:05:53,044
Thanks so much.
1249
01:05:53,979 --> 01:05:56,901
GENERIC: All right. So here's
the opportunity to promote.
1250
01:05:57,063 --> 01:06:00,059
Promote your services, promote
your business. Leave. Promote
1251
01:06:00,059 --> 01:06:00,244
away.
1252
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:03,956
SAMEER DOSSANI: So I'm at Samir
Dasani.net. At the moment, I'm
1253
01:06:03,976 --> 01:06:05,964
offering a reverse. Bitiligo
course.
1254
01:06:07,277 --> 01:06:10,560
Super cheap. Price of just $97.
It's going to go up in the new
1255
01:06:10,621 --> 01:06:13,453
year. But That is the price of
the course right now.
1256
01:06:14,867 --> 01:06:17,718
Super important, four weeks.
Reversing vitiligo.
1257
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:21,211
And other autoimmune diseases.
You're welcome to check it out
1258
01:06:21,311 --> 01:06:25,270
it's at samir dasani.net
reversing vitiligo And if anyone
1259
01:06:25,291 --> 01:06:28,031
wants to reach out, just have a
quick chat. You You can find out
1260
01:06:28,031 --> 01:06:29,221
how to book a call with me there
too.
1261
01:06:30,875 --> 01:06:34,471
GENERIC: Beautiful, beautiful.
And let me just take a moment to
1262
01:06:34,572 --> 01:06:39,112
shout out. Your social media.
So. You guys heard it yourself.
1263
01:06:40,554 --> 01:06:44,014
I'm just gonna point out where
you can learn more about him. So
1264
01:06:44,475 --> 01:06:48,241
you can find them online. It is
samirdasani.net. That is his
1265
01:06:48,301 --> 01:06:53,398
website. You can follow that.
Follow him on YouTube. It is. At
1266
01:06:53,539 --> 01:06:56,812
meet heels so just Make sure you
check him out there.
1267
01:06:56,852 --> 01:07:01,820
He is on Twitter and TikTok. His
name's Samir Dasani. He's on
1268
01:07:01,981 --> 01:07:07,949
Instagram. The account name is
SAM. The number three. And R He
1269
01:07:08,091 --> 01:07:12,439
is also on. Linkedin. It is his
name, Samir Dasani, and he is
1270
01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:15,314
on... Faith Fuck you. Follow
him.
1271
01:07:16,499 --> 01:07:20,334
Page is called Samir Dasani.
Health coaching. So of course,
1272
01:07:20,494 --> 01:07:24,676
all of these. Handles and
information. Will be in the
1273
01:07:24,837 --> 01:07:29,014
description so i encourage you
to to follow him on all of his
1274
01:07:29,055 --> 01:07:31,885
social media and check him out.
If you want to learn about his
1275
01:07:31,925 --> 01:07:37,280
coaching services. You want us
services you You know, maybe you
1276
01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:38,824
heard something today and you're
like, what?
1277
01:07:38,864 --> 01:07:42,898
That doesn't make sense. Reach
out to him you know and we
1278
01:07:43,023 --> 01:07:46,407
picked screen. The information
is on your screen right now if
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you're watching this on video.
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on a podcast, past, don't worry.
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information is in the
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to. Check it out.
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So Samia, thank you again for
coming on Hot Topics.
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SAMEER DOSSANI: It's only a
pleasure, Gabriel. Hopefully we
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can. We can do a third time
sometimes.
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GENERIC: Yeah, awesome, awesome.
All right, all right, all right.
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All right, you guys.
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Is it. We have reached the
conclusion of yet another
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episode. Thank you so much. For
joining me. So let me just. Take
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a moment to just remind you
guys. That Hot Topics is. A
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production of My tutoring
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homework, they're lazy.
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Maybe they're Teachers are
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time. You know, there's any kind
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school.
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Or maybe you want to just let...
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academic help that that boost I
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step ahead,
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On most of the social media
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Ahead Tutoring Services. And we
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for the pencil logo with the
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You could find us on Facebook,
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Tick tock what else and an
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others that are not coming to me
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online for sure. So follow us
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counts as well. And of course,
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please subscribe to us. As well
on your favorite. Podcast
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And I also want to encourage you
to let us know your. Thoughts
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about this episode. Thank to day
you know any Did you agree? Did
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you not agree? This is
definitely very controversial.
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You know, but definitely drop
them. Drop those comments in the
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comment below.
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The comment section below excuse
me if you're watching this on
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video If you're listening to
this on a podcast. Drop a note,
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drop a rating, but whatever it
is, please take a moment to.
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Give us your feedback about this
episode. Episode. It helps us a
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lot. So please take a moment.
And. And do that Ah All right,
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you guys.
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But we're coming to the end
anyway. So thank you again for
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joining me on Hot Topics. And I
look forward to you joining me
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at the next one. Episode. Thank
you guys.
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I'm signing off. Bye.
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Thank I wouldn't hear that from
us.
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Thank Thank you.
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Oh It's going to be great.
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But learning through the gym
might help you to become a
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better person.
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Thank Thank Thank Thank Thank
Thank you. Thank Thank you Thank
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you.

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