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Hi everybody, Jonathan Brian, Go Out Living.
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Today's special guest is Dean Volk.
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He is a licensed physical therapist of 34 plus years, creator of 180-degree Psyatica solutions, founder of Psyatica Relief Now, and creator of the Psyatica Proof Lab, a three-day trial.
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Welcome, Dean.
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It's a pleasure to have you here.
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Thank you.
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Pleasure is all mine, Jonathan.
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Thank you for having me.
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So, like I was talking earlier, I thought we'd get started with um, you know, Psyatica is your thing, but you failed for several years.
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And it's not just saying you, it's pretty much the profession in general failed.
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Uh, maybe start with, you know, how that happened.
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Well, um, being a physical therapist, graduating school, I um jumped into my career as an orthopedic physical therapist right out of school, and I noticed that the clients who I had the most difficulty getting good results with were my sciatica clients, knee patients, shoulder patients, foot patients, jaw patients, whatever the other problems were, seemed to follow the typical protocol that I learned in school and learned from continuing education classes.
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But literally, my sciatica clients, I would say 80 to 85% of them would not get the results that I was happy with, nor obviously they they were not happy, which made me not happy with where they were.
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So I struggled with that literally for 17 years of my career.
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I was doing everything that the gurus said.
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I would go to continuing education courses specifically for low back and sciatica, come back, try it.
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What was what was kind of sad was everybody was doing a very similar thing.
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They were attacking where the pain was, they were doing Mackenzie extension exercises or William Flexion exercises and basing everything they did off of those.
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And yeah, like I said, 17 years, I struggled with getting my clients the relief that they deserved and that I wanted to give them.
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And it wasn't until literally 17, 18 years ago, I went to a course, and the gentleman was teaching on everything 180 degrees opposite of what we learn in school.
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He basically started the course by saying, Everything you've done in therapy, throw it out the window because I want to retrain you.
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And at the time I had three clinics.
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I thought I was doing well.
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I was living in out right outside of Charlotte, North Carolina, and I just thought, 180 degrees opposite of everything that I'm doing?
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What is how can how does that work?
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And literally driving back to my clinic after the weekend, I was thinking, how in the world am I going to start introducing a treatment approach that's 180 degrees opposite of what I've been doing?
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Because my clients would either think I was mistreating them before or I'm mistreating them now, depending on what the results were.
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So I thought popped into my head.
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Literally, I was praying, going, God, how do I apply this?
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Thought popped into my head, hey, first person who comes in as a new client who doesn't know you, check it out and see what happens if you apply these principles.
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So I kid you not, 10 o'clock in the morning, a 16-year-old homeschool soccer player comes into my clinic.
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He's playing for a local private school in the area, and he's holding right above his kneecap, saying, Dean, this has nothing to do with sciatica, but it tells you about the approach that I was using.
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He was holding right above his knee, he said, Dean, my doctor says I've got a quadriceps tendon tear, and I can't play soccer for eight to ten weeks, but I'm the leading scorer on my high school team and I got a tournament in two weeks.
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What can you do?
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And I thought, perfect person to try this stuff on.
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And I'm thinking, I'm being a straight shooter, I was born in New York, though, raised in northern Minnesota.
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So I'm kind of a straight shooter.
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And I said, Look, your doctor told you eight to ten weeks to get on the soccer field, but I'm going to tell you that's how long it takes for a quadriceps tendon to heal.
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That doesn't mean you're going to be able to play.
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You've got to stretch it, you've got to get your proprioception, your stamina, your strength, everything else back.
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He just said, What can you do for me?
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And I said, All right.
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I did one exercise from the course that I learned, just trying to find an imbalance and fixing it.
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And then I made up an exercise because I thought, all right, it's his knee, let's work his other knee.
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I literally did straight leg lifts on his good leg.
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And he stood up and said, and I don't talk about this, but he looked and goes, What the H did you do to me?
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I go, What's wrong?
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He goes, The burning in my knee is gone and it's straight for the first time in two weeks.
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And literally my jaw just started to fall as he put his butt down to his heels.
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He stood up, he started doing mini squats, he started jumping, he started walking and sprinting around my clan.
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He goes, Can I go play soccer?
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And I said, Mmm, you gotta go back to the surgeon because I'm not putting my license and career on the line for this because I my jaw was on the floor.
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I literally had a trainer who was with me.
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She jabbed me in the chest, she goes, What do you do?
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And I go, I don't know.
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So that was my introduction to doing things 180 degrees opposite.
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And at that point, I started going, Hey, you know what?
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Maybe, just maybe, this might be the answer I've been looking for for my sciatica clients.
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So I started introducing my sciatica clients a couple exercises at a time, a couple imbalances at a time, and they started getting better and they wouldn't come back like they used to.
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It would be, I would I would get them better for a couple weeks, they'd come back and say, I've splared up again.
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This time it was like months and years before they would come back and say, Hey, I've been doing those exercises, you got any more?
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So that was 17 years ago, and in 2018, I was literally walking to work one day, just looking up online what um Google had to say about Syaka.
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And I went, it made me cringe because it's everything that we used to do: the cat-cow exercises, the press-ups, the nerve flossing, nerve gliding, the pelvic tilts, the bridges, all the core strengthening that I used to do.
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I'm going, I know this doesn't work for a high majority of people.
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So I thought, I'm gonna start a Facebook group.
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The only problem is I'm a little older than the average PT.
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How do you start a Facebook group?
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So I literally Googled, how do you start a Facebook group?
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So that morning, it took me all morning to set up a Facebook group, and little did I know that um three years later it would turn into a full-time job.
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So that's amazing.
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So uh a lot of people, I mean, this affects a lot of people.
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And you just mentioned a lot of ways that they were doing it or are still doing it, aren't they?
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They are.
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I I try to talk to PTs, I try to talk to Kairos, I try to talk to doctors, and they all look at me like I'm crazy.
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Why would you work on the non-painful side?
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Why would you do this?
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And I try to explain how your body gets out of balance when it compensates for itself for the pain.
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And so if your body's pulling like this and you've got a problem somewhere in your body, guess what happens?
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That area of problem is gonna have to protect itself against all this extra body tension and stress.
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I said, so if you fix that tension and stress, guess what happens to the area of the body that's problematic?
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It doesn't have to protect, it can relax.
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And it when it relaxes, guess what happens?
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You get normal blood flow, you get normal nerve conduction.
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Your central nervous system doesn't, is not in the fire flight, high alert set um session that it's been in for days, weeks, months, years, however long you've been suffering.
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And they go, Yeah, but it doesn't make sense.
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Why are you gonna stretch something that's not tight?
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And here I'm gonna give a little demonstration here.
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I just happen to have a little towel that I use all the time.
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So what we learn in therapy, and what we learn in PT school, chiropractors learn, trainers learn, if you've got a tight muscle, what's the way to loosen it?
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You stretch it, right?
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So you're taking something that's tight, and in the case of sciatica, your hamstring's tight and irritated most of the time.
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You're taking it, making it tighter, hoping that that's gonna loosen it and relax it.
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And I always tell people, where in life do you take something that's tight to m and when you loosen it, you tighten it first.
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So, no, when you want to loosen something, you do the exact opposite of tightening.
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And so that's what I do, that's what I focus on, that's what makes the approach unique.
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It's literally it's called the 180-degree sciatica solution because we're doing everything the exact opposite of what you were doing.
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And when people people hear that, they go, Yeah, but why do you want to do that?
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I go, Well, is what you're doing working?
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Well, no.
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I said, Well, so if your goal is to get here and you're doing something and you're doing this or doing that, don't you want to sort of make a U-turn and try to move towards us?
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And that start starts making people think, hmm, that makes a little bit of sense.
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Why do I want to keep on doing what's not working, praying it works one day, instead of trying something totally different that this weirdo online is telling me works?
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Well, especially when, like you said, there's over 80% chance of failure anyway.
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You know what this sounds to me like is you you look for the core issue, and that's what they're not doing.
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They're just going straight to okay, this is the the tight part, this is the pain.
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This is a symptom, let's let's take care of the symptoms.
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I I heard a story the other day, someone talking about, hey, that there was this garbage dump and they were having a rat problem.
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So it wasn't a garbage dump, there was some garbage in an alleyway, and they had a rat problem, and they decided, hey, we got to get rid of the rats.
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So they started setting rat traps.
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So they set rat traps, and guess what happened?
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More rats came.
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Yeah, you're getting rid of the rats, but more rats are gonna come because you're not taking care of the garbage problem.
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So, what I see with sciatica is we're treating the symptoms, we're treating the symptoms.
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Okay, we're calming the symptoms, but guess what comes?
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Guess what happens?
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It comes back the same or with a vengeance even worse, and it's just a cyclical cycle.
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Hey, let's give it an injection and calm it down.
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That's fine and dandy, but that's like putting novocaine in your jaw, punching yourself, saying, Look, I can do this, but then when the novocaine wears off, it all comes back.
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So, yes, to me, it's let's get rid of the garbage.
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The garbage is all the extra tension, all the imbalances, all the compensations your body's doing.
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Let's get rid of those and then see what happens to your symptoms.
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Whether it's coming from a muscle, a tendon, a disc, a joint, guess what's gonna happen?
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Those areas are gonna be able to relax and actually start to heal.
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Getting back to kind of when I think of sciatica, I don't know if people understand that exactly because it's actually more than just one thing.
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It there's so many, it's almost like it's a central part of a bigger issue.
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And everything just goes there and kind of extends from that.
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Is that kind of how you look at it?
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Yes, and I always tell people do you realize that sciatica is really not a diagnosis?
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Sciatica is basically that all sciatica means is you've got an irritation of your sciatic nerve.
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Boom.
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It doesn't tell you why, it doesn't tell you what.
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People's MRIs can be massively horrendous looking, but hey, it's not pinching on one of the nerve roots that causes it.
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So what's causing this?
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Other people have a totally clean MRI, and it's like, wait a second, what's causing this?
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So the cause oftentimes is unknown or not identifiable.
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And to me, it really doesn't matter because our bodies were made to heal themselves.
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It's just the way we were created.
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I mean, you get a cut, what happens?
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It bleeds to clean, the scab comes over, it heals, and if you leave it alone and don't keep picking at it, it'll heal.
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Our bodies were amazingly made.
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And if we treat our bodies right, if we get things that are out of balance back into balance, whether it's physically, mentally, emotionally, chemically, I mean, when our when our bot when our body chemistry is out of balance, guess what?
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If we balance it out, if we get the right minerals, if we get the right balance, the body is amazing at taking care of itself.
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So simple.
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It it's mine.
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I go, look, I said, this is gonna seem stupid to you because it's so common sense.
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If it hurts, stop doing it.
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They go, well, no, I was told to push through the pain.
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I go, and here you are talking to me five years later, you're still dealing with the same pain.
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When are you gonna stop?
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Okay, it is easy.
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Right.
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Well, okay, why is it still being taught wrong?
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Let's start there.
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You know what?
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That's what people know, that's what they're familiar with.
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And I'm not saying that doing a um a McKenzie extension exercise doesn't help.
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Because it can help some people, depending on the cause.
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Because everybody has their own movement biases.
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They're gonna they're gonna favor one position over another, one movement over another.
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And um if somebody doesn't understand that, and they just keep moving any which way they want, they're gonna keep irritating what's already irritated.
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So a lot of the things that we do that I do is I try to teach people, hey, you've got to learn what your triggers are, so that you stop doing those things and you start feeding positive triggers versus negative triggers.
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But schooling-wise, all of us learn very similar things.
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That's why when you go online and you look up um sciatica on YouTube, it's like, hey, here's the three best exercises you can do to get rid of your sciatic in 10 minutes.
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I'm like going, and everybody goes, Dean, why don't you put your exercises on there?
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I'm going, well, I don't have specific exercises that work for everybody.
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I have to, I have to teach you how to assess for your own imbalances because your body's gonna compensate differently than Tom, then Joe, then Sally, than Ricky.
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Um, everybody's body is gonna respond based on um their background, based on their muscular structure, based on their history.
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Nobody responds to pain, no two people respond identically to pain the same way.
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So some people I may be working on their shoulders more than their trunk, more than their legs, depending on where the imbalances are.
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So for me to go, hey, you know what, do these three things, you're gonna be fine, I'd be doing what everybody else does.
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And it just doesn't work like that.
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Well, yeah, I mean, that's the medical world in general, is okay, majority of people fit into this little thing, so let's just throw, we'll worry about that.
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We don't actually individualize it.
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Absolutely.
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It's like any medication, it's well, I always use caffeine or chocolate.
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You know what?
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I can have chocolate 10 minutes before bed, and I could sleep all night like a baby.
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My wife, if she eats chocolate after 1 p.m.
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in the afternoon, she's up till three in the morning because she's so wired.
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Caffeine, I can have a I bef when I stopped before I stopped drinking Coke.
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I would I could have a Coke any time of the evening.
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I could have two or three at dinner refills at a restaurant.
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Wouldn't affect me.
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If my wife took a sip of my Coke, she couldn't fall asleep for six hours.
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So it's not that I'm better, it's not that she's worse, it's just that everybody's body's chemistry, everybody's body responds differently.
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It's like, hey, you got a headache, take Tylenol.
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It's like, well, it might be poisonous to somebody where it's a miracle for another person.
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So amazing.
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Yeah, it's it's just sad how unindividualistic the medical world has become.
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Everybody follows the protocol, whether it's the hospital protocol, the doctor's protocol, or the insurance protocol.
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It's like, hey, this is what you do, these are the steps you take to get the best results.
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And I I did that for 17 years with my sciatica clients.
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I followed the rules, I followed the textbooks, and 17 years later I went, you know what?
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This ain't working.
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We got to do something better.
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Well, and the worst part is, like you say, I mean, it's it's shown to fail uh majority of the time.
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So to not understand that we need to switch things up and look at it differently, that that's the frustration right there.
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It's huge.
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And and with the medical world too, it's sort of here's what you're gonna do and pray it works.
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And seeing how I've taken on the full 180-degree um approach.
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So not only do I do the exact opposite of that, I actually offer people um the sciatica proof lab that you mentioned at the beginning.
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I offer people, hey, you know what?
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You've probably been scammed, you've probably been taken advantage of, you've probably been told that they this person can help you and that you do what this protocol says and you're gonna be fine.
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Oh, I mean, talk about skepticism nowadays.
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Everybody's getting scammed and it's skeptical, everybody's a skeptic, and they should be for their for their own sake, especially for their own sake, especially for their health.
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And so what I offer is I go, hey, you know what?
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Let's take this for a test drive.
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Let's take my approach for a test drive for three days.
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I will work with a person personally, three one half hour sessions live on Zoom like this, and I will walk them through a couple assessments, walk them through a couple things they can do to balance out imbalances.
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And over the three days, my average person is anywhere from 20 to 50% improved.
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And I say, okay, now I can't give it all away like this.
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I wish I could.
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I wish I had won the lottery when I was younger, and I'm a multimillionaire and I can um take care of everybody for free, but I gotta live.
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So here's what I have available after that.
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You want it, this is what it costs.
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If you don't want it, totally understand.
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Enjoy the 20 to 50% improvement that you have.
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So I have tried to flip things on its head and go, hey, you know what?
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I will I will give you a test drive so you don't have to commit to something and pray that it works like you have done with the injection, with the chiropractic decompression, with the physical therapy, with the um massage, with the Pilates, with everything else.
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Or and God forbid the surgery, which is only required in such a small, small, small percentage of people.
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That's why there's so many failed back surgery cases out there.
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Yeah.
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No, and I've seen those from the surge tech side.
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Yeah, it's amazing.
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And then they go back a second time to fix what wasn't fixed the first time, and I'm going, you use the same surgeon.
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I'm look, I'm not against surgery, I'm not against surgery.
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There are people out there who are saving lives, doing amazing things.
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But when it comes to if you have a failed back surgery, you go back to the same person.
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I I just go, What why?
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Well, they're doing a different surgery.
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I said, Of course they are, because they didn't fix you the first time.
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Now they have to do something more drastic, like a fusion, which is usually the third option after the failed microdisquectomy.
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Well, let's do a laminectomy.
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You know what, it's not stable back there anymore.
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Well, you took some bone out, doc.
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So now we gotta fuse it, and that's gonna hold you.
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But we can tell you that we'll probably take care of the pain down the leg, but your back pain will probably get worse.
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That's what uh it just Yeah.
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No, I want to pull my hair out.
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Yeah, and that's part of the problem though, is I can say from the patient side, you get into a diagnosis, into a situation, and you just kind of throw everything into okay, I gotta trust them and just go with it.
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That's the hardest part to get away from, and I know that from personal experience.
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Absolutely.
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And I mean, um, people older than our generation, I'm I'm assuming I'm a little older than you.
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How old are you?
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No, no, you're a kid, you're much younger than me.
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Um, I'm gonna be 60.
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Okay.
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So um our parents' generation, it was you go to the doctor, then again, medicine back then wasn't so um corporate corporate and wasn't so this is the protocol.
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They actually would come to your house or you would go to them and they would actually spend time with you.
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They wouldn't have to look at their computer to ask the right questions to make sure every T is crossed and dot is I so that the insurance company is going to recover it.
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They were actually practicing medicine.
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Whereas nowadays, nothing against doctors.
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This is what they're forced into doing, and it's follow the protocol.
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It's like, wait a second, but this person doesn't really fit what's going on.
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How do we inject, not inject, inject, but how do we intercept something that might we might be missing instead of going through this step-by-step protocol?
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So yeah, it's it's gotta be frustrating for doctors because I am not an anti-doctor.
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There there are phenomenal doctors out there trying to practice as best they can, but there are restrictions on them because they have to follow certain protocols in order to get reimbursed so they can live.
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And that's why there's so many now concierge doctors going out on their own, doing it their own way, because they got sick of the system.
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Well, I like how you brought up kind of back your day, my day.
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The doctor actually talked to you.
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He actually knew you from a personal standpoint.
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I'm guessing, because uh you do a lot of this online now, that it's a lot of conversation.
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You actually you don't need the it's not that quick 10 minute will, which they usually already know what they're gonna do.
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Right.
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We're gonna have worked this out.
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We're gonna figure out what really is uh the cause of this.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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When I got out of school, I I had we I got really excited when we got.
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Um, a notepad that was filled with sciatica exercises.
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Because when someone came in with sciatica, we can rip it off, say, here's the exercise to do.
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And thinking that, hey, you know what?
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Look at the time it's saving me.
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Look at they have a printout, they can see what to do at home.
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But what we failed to do back then was to go through each exercise with them, make sure that it was helping them, not hurting them.
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Obviously, we told them, hey, if it if it causes pain, don't do it.
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But it wasn't like we needed to go through each and every step because, hey, we had a pre-printed format, and that's what a lot of medicine is now, and it's really sad.
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And yes, like you said, when I get on a call with somebody, we're talking about, hey, you know what?
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How are they sleeping?
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What kinds of foods are you eating that possibly could be causing this?
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What kind of stress is in your life?
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Have, I mean, last year I went through a stressful time, lost my mom.
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It's like, all right, when I know when people have stress, their nervous system is a little bit more um sensitive.
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And so any little thing can cause pain compared to when you're not in that emotional tight state, you can tolerate a lot more.
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And so we talk about stressors, we talk about how much they're in the sun, what kind of sleep are they getting.
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So it's much more than just, hey, you know what?
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Let's fix this imbalance and you're done.
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It's like, all right, now let's take care of you holistically with a W, because I'm looking at the whole body instead of H holistic.
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Not that I'm against H holistic, but I I always want to tell people, look, I'm looking at your whole body in regards to this, not just, oh, the painful butt and the painful leg.
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I love that.
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Well, and that's why you can do it online, is because you're really having those conversations and it's not.
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I mean, that's been the problem.
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Okay, we're gonna do hands-on, we're gonna do but this is they're doing it like you said, 180 degrees wrong.
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So you can do it from this situation because we're not sitting there stretching and pulling and doing all that physically, exactly.
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They can do it from their their own home.
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And what I found is when someone has pretty much any physical ailment, it's not bad to get passive things done, get the massage done, grab a massage gun and massage yourself, or have somebody else do something to you.
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But what I have found is that doesn't necessarily change your muscle pattern.
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It might relax a tight muscle, it might calm down things temporarily, but for long term, you've got to be able to balance out your own body.
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You've got to be able to make the changes in your muscles that are gonna hold you in place.
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And that's one thing that so many people with sciatica think is hey, you know what, if my struck if I just had a stronger core, if I got my stomach muscles stronger, then I'd be fine.
00:24:55.440 --> 00:25:04.319
I say, well, that's fine and dandy, but if you're trying to strengthen yourself when your body's out of balance, number one, your muscles are not functioning optimally.
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Number two, you're telling me you want to hold yourself in that imbalanced position, which is causing the added stress and the pain.
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:21.519
So 180 degrees opposite is hey, you know what, we're gonna calm the symptoms down before we stabilize you so that we hold you in a position that's not painful.
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It makes sense.
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It I mean, as I say it, I go, this is stupid simple.
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This is common sense.
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But you but you know it's crazy.
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I I still, when I get working with some people, I'm doing some contract work here and there outside in a clinic or I'm going to people's homes, and I still I I am still retraining myself 17 years later to stop doing what I was taught because it's so ingrained in me.
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And yeah, it's it I I just have to laugh at myself at times.
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I'm going to waste something.
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I teach this to people online and I'm doing the exact same thing that I tell them not to do because that's just the way we're programmed.
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That's what we that's what we learn.
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So you're starting to see a change in attitudes, a change in how people are looking at medicine in general.
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They're starting to understand it is failing.
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And yeah, we are here just practicing medicine.
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That's what it is.
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It's practice.
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Like, all right, let me practice, let me let me go to someone who practiced a lot and thinks a little bit differently than what everybody else does.
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Because, yes, it feels like in the medical system, it's like, all right, you got sciatica, you're gonna go to your primary care doctor.
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Primary care doctor is probably gonna give you a combination or one of the muscle relaxers, anti-inflammatory pain medications, and do an x-ray.
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X-rays 99.9% times worthless for a cyaticline.
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But they do it because that's the standard protocol.
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Come back in two weeks if you're not feeling anybody.
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They come back in two weeks.
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Maybe they get sent to physical therapy, maybe they get changed up on the medication if it didn't work because obviously we got to try to cover up the pain.
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And the pain medication, the anti-inflammatory and the muscle relaxer do absolutely nothing for long-term healing.
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It's just to mask the problem.
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And the big problem with masking the problem is you have an underlying issue that you're still aggravating without realizing it because the symptoms are being masked.
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.319
That's just like the epidural injections.
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They go, Well, the injections are really helping me.
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I go, yeah, but you have to keep getting them.
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Yeah, you have two or three a year.
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I said, and if you didn't get them, your pain would be significantly more than what it was when you started because you're continuing to do the things that were aggravating you to begin with, but you don't feel the pain because it's being masked.
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Yeah, but at least I can function.
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I said, but let's let's do the long term here.
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:08.720
I mean, it reminds me of conversations when I used to own my clinics and someone would tell me that they had back pain, but it's under control because they've been seeing a chiropractor.
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And I have nothing personally against chiropractors, but in these cases, I go, how long have you been seeing the chiropractor?
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Well, for four years.
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Like, okay.
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I said, how do you feel today compared to what you did four years ago?
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Well, it's the same, but the chiropractor's helping me.
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I said, I gotcha.
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.880
I said, So you've been going for four years.
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How often?
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Well, it's once or twice a week, depending on how it feels.
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I said, okay.
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So you've been doing this for four years, they've been helping you, but you feel the same.
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Yes.
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They go, are you telling me they're not helping me?
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I said, I'm not telling you they're not helping you.
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I'm just repeating back to you what you're telling me, that you're no different today than you were four years ago, but you said they're helping you.
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They might be giving you a manipulation and you feel good for a couple days and you can function, but you're not telling me you're any better than what you were four years ago.
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And that's my concern, and that my heart for you is I want you better than what you were last week, let alone four years ago.
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:21.279
And it just, as I replay things in my head, I just go, wow, how come I didn't figure out that doing things totally differently seven the first 17 years of my career?
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I mean, I I was putting people on the traction unit, traction and heat for every low back and scientific client.
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They loved it.
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Then I would do some manual therapy, they thought it was awesome.
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Then back then we were doing ultrasound, which is not the picture, but the heat ultrasound.
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As physical therapists, that's what we learned in school.
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That's what we did.
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Then they would do exercises, then I'd finish them with ice and stim.
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They would get up.
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Most of the time they would feel better when they walk out.
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And either by the time they sat down in their car or they got home from their drive home, the symptoms started creeping back.
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And we'd repeat that 12, 16, 20 times, however long the insurance would cover it for.
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I mean, I I'm embarrassed now as I look back and I I wish I had the list of my clients from back then so I could call them and tell them I am so sorry.
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I didn't know.
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I that's all I knew.
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I thought I was doing what I was supposed to, and I was, according to the guidelines, according to the insurance company.
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A couple funny stories.
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When I started treating people opposite, I was um a lot of insurance companies don't like it when you're working people's shoulders when they have problems in their low back.
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And one person called me from an insurance company, they had a lumbar or um no, they had they had a shoulder problem, so I was working on their neck.
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And they called me and said, Christine, why are you charging cervical um mobilization for shoulder problems?
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I said, Because they're related.
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They literally just kept on saying cervical over and over and over.
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And I said, Hold on a sec.
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I said, let me ask you a question.
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They said, okay.
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:17.119
I said, when you're saying cervical, are you thinking of um a region that I should not be anywhere near in a female?
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And they went, yeah, isn't it?
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Isn't cervical related to cervix?
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I mean, I went, listen, the cervical region is your neck, those are your cervical vertebrae.
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I'm I don't know why I'm bringing this up, but it just sort of shows the insurance mentality.
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That it's like, wait a second, I was working on someone's neck because it was a shoulder problem.
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That's in close proximity, but their their thinking is wait a second.
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:51.519
Anyway, uh But no, that's the whole point, though, is they're not looking at it in that holistic way like you mentioned.
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:56.720
I just wrote down acupuncture, uh, which has been around for thousands of years.
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Uh it's uh they know the pressure points, they know the points that affect everything or that certain area, and that's basically what you're doing.
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Uh you're because it's all interconnected, and that's again from the medical side.
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:16.559
We don't look at it's just oh no, it's like you said, the lower back.
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That's all you're gonna work on.
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.680
No, there's so many other little points that can affect that.
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.839
Absolutely, yeah.
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:31.200
I I never thought of it as I never I never thought, hey, acupunct yeah, acupuncturists have been doing this for years.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.079
Yes.
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That um our body, I mean, there used to be a song, your um ankle bones connected to your shin bone, your shin to your ankle, your ankle.
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.759
Yes, and it it is all interconnected.
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.599
I one of the wildest things I've ever seen in my clinic.
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I had a dentist who um had his practice next door when I used to live in um Charlotte, and he would send me TMJ clinics, and this one lady literally cannot open her mouth more than a centimeter.
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She goes, I've been I have to suck all my um food in through a straw, and she went on and on.
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And finally, um she said, Look, it's been like this for three weeks.
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I didn't think you can help me, but now I need help.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:24.960
So um I um checked her out, found her biggest imbalance was in her legs with a leglet.
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So I worked her good leg and then retested the leg that was limited and it equaled out.
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I said, Alright, I got a really strange request here.
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:35.680
She goes, What's that?
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:36.720
I go, open your mouth.
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She opened her mouth full.
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She goes, I haven't opened my mouth that wide in years, let alone since.
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And she goes, How'd you do that?
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.400
I said, you know, everything's connected.
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If you've got restrictions down below below your neck, guess what's going to happen?
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If you've got a problem here, that's gonna be stressed because of the imbalances.
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And she freaked out.
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She came back a couple days later with the same problem.
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I said, What happened?
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.599
She goes, I was so excited I ate a hamburger and I had to put my mouth around it, and I hadn't chewed that much in so long.
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Now it's sore again.
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And then I went back to her legs.
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She goes, I didn't even think to do my legs.
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I was just rubbing my jaw.
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.440
I said, Everybody does.
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I said, That's the side that's sore, rub this side.
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And now let's balance out your legs.
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We got her mouth opened wide again.
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.119
So Again, I go back to our intuition.
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A lot of times we're telling ourselves this is wrong, and we're just not trusting that.
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:30.960
Absolutely.
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:32.719
Absolutely.
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I mean, I see that with how we went through our cancer treatment.
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I think we just ignored everything and just okay, this is how we have to do it, and we're gonna do it, and we're gonna be strong, and whatever, but we ended up with so many side effects, so many and again it's not against the doctors, that's just how they do it.
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Absolutely.
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Are people starting to listen a little bit more too?
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A little bit.
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I think I think after COVID a lot of people are just not trusting the the establishment as much as they used to.
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And um actually COVID was probably the the biggest factor in my business growing just simply because people are not afraid to jump on a Zoom call because Zoom became normal.
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And I still have a lot of clients or a lot of potential clients who I speak with, and they go, I I just want to do it locally because I want hands-on.
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I go, how long have you been doing this?
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It's been going on three years.
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I go, and that one-on-one touching in-person stuff has been working for you.
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They go, well, no, but I I want to keep doing it.
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I said, okay.
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I mean, it's hard to it's hard to break some people's patterns of thinking.
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And I mean, and I even confessed, hey, sometimes I go back to doing what I was programmed to do without thinking, because that's just the normal way.
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So it's not it's not that I haven't I don't have anything against these people, but I just want to try to convince them, look, you've been doing this thing over and over and over again.
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And I know Einstein's credited with it, but he I've heard that he never said it.
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But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
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Let's try something different.
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And I go, and you can try it for free.
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I'm not even gonna charge you, I'm not gonna charge your insurance because I don't deal with insurance, I'm not gonna charge your credit card, I don't even want your credit card, but for three days, what do you have to lose?
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:42.960
So Yeah, I again it it keeps bringing back something I talk about a lot.
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We have put ourselves in this situation for 50 plus years, so it's gonna take a long time to get out of that.
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It will.
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I think the younger generation is a whole lot more skeptical, and they what I'm seeing is people my kids' age between 25 and 40, let's say, they seem to be much more skeptical, but at the same time, craving authenticity compared to what we were used to.
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We it was sort of it had nothing to do with authenticity for us.
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I I mean that word wasn't even I mean, authentic was around, but everybody now goes, hey, you've got to be your authentic self.
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It's like, well, what else can you be?
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But as far as medical stuff, it's like, hey, you know what I want?
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I want a doctor who's gonna at least acknowledge me and not just blow me off, not just say, hey, here's a pill.
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Oh, if that pill doesn't work or it gives you a problem, I have another pill that can fix the problem that that pill causes.
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Or you read the side effects of any of these medications.
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And I haven't read one yet that hasn't said can cause more of the same.
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Like depression medication, this this may cause suicidal thoughts.
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It's like you're gonna give that to someone who's depressed.
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Or and I'm not picking on any specific, I'm just like, that's just that's just what it is.
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And people are going, what are we doing?
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I agree.
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I I think as the rate of chronic illness continues to rise, it's gonna get people really, really thinking and wanting different.
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And I'm hoping for that because I hope they start listening to podcasts like this, listening to individuals like yourself.
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Because all we're doing is trying to get it out there.
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That's all we're trying to do, and we're trying to we're trying to alleviate the problem.
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I mean, it's yes, it's amazingly frustrating.
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And and I have a lot of um uh PT friends and acquaintances, and they go, What are you doing?
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I say, This is what I'm doing.
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Why are you doing that?
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I said, Well, number one, it works.
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Number two, lots of success.
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And I mean, I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of testimonials, videos, uh, written testimonials of people.
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I've I've helped since I started this approach, I've helped about it's been over 10,000 people.
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I know it's been over 52, almost 5,300 people now since going online.
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And I I see the results, and I just my my PT friends are like going, that just doesn't make sense.
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And I said, Well, you know what?
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Keep treating your sciatica clients the way they are, and if they don't get better, send them to me and then we can talk.
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Because they go, Dean, you're doing things totally backwards.
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I said, I know, and it's working so much better.
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I said, Look, you're talking to somebody who owned three clinics, a concierge practice.
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I was a director of PT for 12 years before I opened my practices, and I'm going, it's not like I don't know what I'm doing or what I'm talking about.
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And these are new, these are people coming out with their doctorate degrees.
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I don't have a doctorate degree, I only have a master's degree because I didn't offer a doctorate.
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And when I called my school and I said, Hey, can I take the extra classes that you added so I can become a doctor?
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They said, You've got to start all over.
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And I said, You are out of your mind.
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I said, No, I don't.
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So, yeah, I'm just a master, I'm not a doctor.
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And um, I tell these doctorate students, I go, guys, look, there's different ways you can do this.
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Yeah, but Dean, you've got to stretch what's tight.
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I go, okay.
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I said, why don't you just try doing it the opposite way?
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And what's funny is I'm in I'm in a clinic now, and I get a client, I tell the director of the clinic, I go, look, I do think they said, Dean, as long as you get results, I don't care what you do to these people.
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So I'm starting to do um the overall approach is called total motion release.
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That's the course that I took years ago.
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And I've sort of um turned it into my own for sciatica, but that that's the basis of what I do.
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It's called total motion release.
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And so I start doing these with clients, and they go back to their other therapist and go, hey, Dean, Dean made more gains in one session than you did in the last three weeks, digging on me, and look what I could do with my arm.
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Well, how do you do it?
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To work this side, and they're like, so now they're starting to ask, now they're starting to listen, and they're going, all right, the results are.
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I mean, when you have patients telling them to do something, it carries a lot more weight than me telling them this is how it should be done.
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So I was talking to somebody on a walk today, and a lot of it is we were talking about open-mindedness and how kids are going to school, we're worried about our kids or being indoctrinated with whatever.
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And that's what we're talking about here is they're just not people aren't free to think for themselves anymore.
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But that's what you're trying to get out there, especially if you see it doesn't work, open your mind to something different.
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Absolutely.
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It doesn't have to be something crazy either.
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Just try trying to alternate it's not gonna hurt.
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What you're doing is not working, by all means.
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God gave you a brain to to be creative with.
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You you can figure things out yourself, even.
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Especially when it's not gonna hurt that person or make it worse.
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That's the other side of this.
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There's no downside to trying it.
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Absolutely.
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Especially if you're suffering.
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It's like, okay, so you're gonna you might suffer a little bit less, you might suffer a little bit more, but that's the same when you go to different treatments.
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It's no, I mean, I'm not telling people to run away from doctors, but you know what?
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Find somebody different.
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If what you're doing is not working, I mean, how many times would you go to a dentist who botched up a tooth filling and then said, Oh, I gotta fix it.
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Oh, I gotta fix it.
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And each time it's another$250 or$300.
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It's like, how many times are you gonna go back before you go, you know what, Duck?
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I think I'm gonna try somebody else.
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100%.
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Anyway.
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Dean Volk, uh, why don't you let everybody know how to get a hold of you and learn more about uh what you have to offer?
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:54.239
Well, thank you.
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And thank you for allowing me on, Jonathan.
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Um, you guys can get in touch with me.
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My you know what?
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I'll give you my personal email.
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It's Dean, my first name at Dean Volk, V isn'victor o-l-k, like the Volkswagen, Dean at Deanvolk.com.
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That's my personal email.
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And I never give that out, but I just did, so now it's out there.
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Um if you want to take my approach for a test drive, you can go on to my website for that.
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It's www.sciatica prooflab.com.
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Sciatica S-C I A T I C A Proof Lab, P-R-O-O-F-L-A-B.
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Sciatica Proof Lab.com.
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That will get you to um an application process where you can apply for my proof lab.
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You can find me online.
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You can just put in sciatica relief now, Dean Volk, and I will pop up in your Google search.
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Excellent.
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And I'll do a blog post with all that information.
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I might not put your personal email on there.
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You know what?
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Go for it.
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I don't I don't care anymore.
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I love it.
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All right.
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Dean Volk, we got licensed physical therapist for the last 34 years, creator of 180 degree sciatica solutions, founder, sciatica relief now, creator of the scientific proof lab.
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It was an absolute pleasure to have you.
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Pleasure was all mine, Jonathan.
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We should do this again sometime.
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I would love to.
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I'll actually talk to you after this.
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All right.
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Sounds good.
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All right, everybody.
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Thank you all for listening.
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And as we continue our health and wellness journeys, find the attitude, keep the attitude, go out living.
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Bye, everybody.
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Hi everybody, Jonathan Brian, Go Out Living.
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Today's special guest is Dean Volk.
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He is a licensed physical therapist of 34 plus years, creator of 180-degree Psyatica solutions, founder of Psyatica Relief Now, and creator of the Psyatica Proof Lab, a three-day trial.
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Welcome, Dean.
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It's a pleasure to have you here.
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Thank you.
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Pleasure is all mine, Jonathan.
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Thank you for having me.
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So, like I was talking earlier, I thought we'd get started with um, you know, Psyatica is your thing, but you failed for several years.
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And it's not just saying you, it's pretty much the profession in general failed.
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Uh, maybe start with, you know, how that happened.
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Well, um, being a physical therapist, graduating school, I um jumped into my career as an orthopedic physical therapist right out of school, and I noticed that the clients who I had the most difficulty getting good results with were my sciatica clients, knee patients, shoulder patients, foot patients, jaw patients, whatever the other problems were, seemed to follow the typical protocol that I learned in school and learned from continuing education classes.
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But literally, my sciatica clients, I would say 80 to 85% of them would not get the results that I was happy with, nor obviously they they were not happy, which made me not happy with where they were.
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So I struggled with that literally for 17 years of my career.
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I was doing everything that the gurus said.
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I would go to continuing education courses specifically for low back and sciatica, come back, try it.
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What was what was kind of sad was everybody was doing a very similar thing.
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They were attacking where the pain was, they were doing Mackenzie extension exercises or William Flexion exercises and basing everything they did off of those.
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And yeah, like I said, 17 years, I struggled with getting my clients the relief that they deserved and that I wanted to give them.
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And it wasn't until literally 17, 18 years ago, I went to a course, and the gentleman was teaching on everything 180 degrees opposite of what we learn in school.
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He basically started the course by saying, Everything you've done in therapy, throw it out the window because I want to retrain you.
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And at the time I had three clinics.
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I thought I was doing well.
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I was living in out right outside of Charlotte, North Carolina, and I just thought, 180 degrees opposite of everything that I'm doing?
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What is how can how does that work?
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And literally driving back to my clinic after the weekend, I was thinking, how in the world am I going to start introducing a treatment approach that's 180 degrees opposite of what I've been doing?
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Because my clients would either think I was mistreating them before or I'm mistreating them now, depending on what the results were.
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So I thought popped into my head.
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Literally, I was praying, going, God, how do I apply this?
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Thought popped into my head, hey, first person who comes in as a new client who doesn't know you, check it out and see what happens if you apply these principles.
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So I kid you not, 10 o'clock in the morning, a 16-year-old homeschool soccer player comes into my clinic.
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He's playing for a local private school in the area, and he's holding right above his kneecap, saying, Dean, this has nothing to do with sciatica, but it tells you about the approach that I was using.
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He was holding right above his knee, he said, Dean, my doctor says I've got a quadriceps tendon tear, and I can't play soccer for eight to ten weeks, but I'm the leading scorer on my high school team and I got a tournament in two weeks.
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What can you do?
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And I thought, perfect person to try this stuff on.
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And I'm thinking, I'm being a straight shooter, I was born in New York, though, raised in northern Minnesota.
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So I'm kind of a straight shooter.
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And I said, Look, your doctor told you eight to ten weeks to get on the soccer field, but I'm going to tell you that's how long it takes for a quadriceps tendon to heal.
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That doesn't mean you're going to be able to play.
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You've got to stretch it, you've got to get your proprioception, your stamina, your strength, everything else back.
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He just said, What can you do for me?
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And I said, All right.
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I did one exercise from the course that I learned, just trying to find an imbalance and fixing it.
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And then I made up an exercise because I thought, all right, it's his knee, let's work his other knee.
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I literally did straight leg lifts on his good leg.
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And he stood up and said, and I don't talk about this, but he looked and goes, What the H did you do to me?
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I go, What's wrong?
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He goes, The burning in my knee is gone and it's straight for the first time in two weeks.
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And literally my jaw just started to fall as he put his butt down to his heels.
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He stood up, he started doing mini squats, he started jumping, he started walking and sprinting around my clan.
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He goes, Can I go play soccer?
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And I said, Mmm, you gotta go back to the surgeon because I'm not putting my license and career on the line for this because I my jaw was on the floor.
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I literally had a trainer who was with me.
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She jabbed me in the chest, she goes, What do you do?
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And I go, I don't know.
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So that was my introduction to doing things 180 degrees opposite.
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And at that point, I started going, Hey, you know what?
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Maybe, just maybe, this might be the answer I've been looking for for my sciatica clients.
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So I started introducing my sciatica clients a couple exercises at a time, a couple imbalances at a time, and they started getting better and they wouldn't come back like they used to.
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It would be, I would I would get them better for a couple weeks, they'd come back and say, I've splared up again.
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This time it was like months and years before they would come back and say, Hey, I've been doing those exercises, you got any more?
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So that was 17 years ago, and in 2018, I was literally walking to work one day, just looking up online what um Google had to say about Syaka.
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And I went, it made me cringe because it's everything that we used to do: the cat-cow exercises, the press-ups, the nerve flossing, nerve gliding, the pelvic tilts, the bridges, all the core strengthening that I used to do.
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I'm going, I know this doesn't work for a high majority of people.
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So I thought, I'm gonna start a Facebook group.
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The only problem is I'm a little older than the average PT.
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How do you start a Facebook group?
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So I literally Googled, how do you start a Facebook group?
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So that morning, it took me all morning to set up a Facebook group, and little did I know that um three years later it would turn into a full-time job.
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So that's amazing.
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So uh a lot of people, I mean, this affects a lot of people.
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And you just mentioned a lot of ways that they were doing it or are still doing it, aren't they?
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They are.
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I I try to talk to PTs, I try to talk to Kairos, I try to talk to doctors, and they all look at me like I'm crazy.
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Why would you work on the non-painful side?
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Why would you do this?
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And I try to explain how your body gets out of balance when it compensates for itself for the pain.
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And so if your body's pulling like this and you've got a problem somewhere in your body, guess what happens?
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That area of problem is gonna have to protect itself against all this extra body tension and stress.
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I said, so if you fix that tension and stress, guess what happens to the area of the body that's problematic?
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It doesn't have to protect, it can relax.
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And it when it relaxes, guess what happens?
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You get normal blood flow, you get normal nerve conduction.
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Your central nervous system doesn't, is not in the fire flight, high alert set um session that it's been in for days, weeks, months, years, however long you've been suffering.
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And they go, Yeah, but it doesn't make sense.
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Why are you gonna stretch something that's not tight?
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And here I'm gonna give a little demonstration here.
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I just happen to have a little towel that I use all the time.
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So what we learn in therapy, and what we learn in PT school, chiropractors learn, trainers learn, if you've got a tight muscle, what's the way to loosen it?
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You stretch it, right?
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So you're taking something that's tight, and in the case of sciatica, your hamstring's tight and irritated most of the time.
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You're taking it, making it tighter, hoping that that's gonna loosen it and relax it.
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And I always tell people, where in life do you take something that's tight to m and when you loosen it, you tighten it first.
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So, no, when you want to loosen something, you do the exact opposite of tightening.
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And so that's what I do, that's what I focus on, that's what makes the approach unique.
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It's literally it's called the 180-degree sciatica solution because we're doing everything the exact opposite of what you were doing.
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And when people people hear that, they go, Yeah, but why do you want to do that?
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I go, Well, is what you're doing working?
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Well, no.
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I said, Well, so if your goal is to get here and you're doing something and you're doing this or doing that, don't you want to sort of make a U-turn and try to move towards us?
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And that start starts making people think, hmm, that makes a little bit of sense.
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Why do I want to keep on doing what's not working, praying it works one day, instead of trying something totally different that this weirdo online is telling me works?
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Well, especially when, like you said, there's over 80% chance of failure anyway.
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You know what this sounds to me like is you you look for the core issue, and that's what they're not doing.
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They're just going straight to okay, this is the the tight part, this is the pain.
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This is a symptom, let's let's take care of the symptoms.
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I I heard a story the other day, someone talking about, hey, that there was this garbage dump and they were having a rat problem.
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So it wasn't a garbage dump, there was some garbage in an alleyway, and they had a rat problem, and they decided, hey, we got to get rid of the rats.
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So they started setting rat traps.
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So they set rat traps, and guess what happened?
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More rats came.
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Yeah, you're getting rid of the rats, but more rats are gonna come because you're not taking care of the garbage problem.
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So, what I see with sciatica is we're treating the symptoms, we're treating the symptoms.
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Okay, we're calming the symptoms, but guess what comes?
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Guess what happens?
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It comes back the same or with a vengeance even worse, and it's just a cyclical cycle.
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Hey, let's give it an injection and calm it down.
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That's fine and dandy, but that's like putting novocaine in your jaw, punching yourself, saying, Look, I can do this, but then when the novocaine wears off, it all comes back.
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So, yes, to me, it's let's get rid of the garbage.
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The garbage is all the extra tension, all the imbalances, all the compensations your body's doing.
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Let's get rid of those and then see what happens to your symptoms.
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Whether it's coming from a muscle, a tendon, a disc, a joint, guess what's gonna happen?
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Those areas are gonna be able to relax and actually start to heal.
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Getting back to kind of when I think of sciatica, I don't know if people understand that exactly because it's actually more than just one thing.
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It there's so many, it's almost like it's a central part of a bigger issue.
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And everything just goes there and kind of extends from that.
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Is that kind of how you look at it?
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Yes, and I always tell people do you realize that sciatica is really not a diagnosis?
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Sciatica is basically that all sciatica means is you've got an irritation of your sciatic nerve.
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Boom.
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It doesn't tell you why, it doesn't tell you what.
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People's MRIs can be massively horrendous looking, but hey, it's not pinching on one of the nerve roots that causes it.
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So what's causing this?
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Other people have a totally clean MRI, and it's like, wait a second, what's causing this?
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So the cause oftentimes is unknown or not identifiable.
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And to me, it really doesn't matter because our bodies were made to heal themselves.
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It's just the way we were created.
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I mean, you get a cut, what happens?
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It bleeds to clean, the scab comes over, it heals, and if you leave it alone and don't keep picking at it, it'll heal.
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Our bodies were amazingly made.
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And if we treat our bodies right, if we get things that are out of balance back into balance, whether it's physically, mentally, emotionally, chemically, I mean, when our when our bot when our body chemistry is out of balance, guess what?
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If we balance it out, if we get the right minerals, if we get the right balance, the body is amazing at taking care of itself.
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So simple.
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It it's mine.
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I go, look, I said, this is gonna seem stupid to you because it's so common sense.
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If it hurts, stop doing it.
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They go, well, no, I was told to push through the pain.
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I go, and here you are talking to me five years later, you're still dealing with the same pain.
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When are you gonna stop?
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Okay, it is easy.
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Right.
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Well, okay, why is it still being taught wrong?
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Let's start there.
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You know what?
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That's what people know, that's what they're familiar with.
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And I'm not saying that doing a um a McKenzie extension exercise doesn't help.
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Because it can help some people, depending on the cause.
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Because everybody has their own movement biases.
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They're gonna they're gonna favor one position over another, one movement over another.
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And um if somebody doesn't understand that, and they just keep moving any which way they want, they're gonna keep irritating what's already irritated.
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So a lot of the things that we do that I do is I try to teach people, hey, you've got to learn what your triggers are, so that you stop doing those things and you start feeding positive triggers versus negative triggers.
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But schooling-wise, all of us learn very similar things.
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That's why when you go online and you look up um sciatica on YouTube, it's like, hey, here's the three best exercises you can do to get rid of your sciatic in 10 minutes.
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I'm like going, and everybody goes, Dean, why don't you put your exercises on there?
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I'm going, well, I don't have specific exercises that work for everybody.
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I have to, I have to teach you how to assess for your own imbalances because your body's gonna compensate differently than Tom, then Joe, then Sally, than Ricky.
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Um, everybody's body is gonna respond based on um their background, based on their muscular structure, based on their history.
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Nobody responds to pain, no two people respond identically to pain the same way.
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So some people I may be working on their shoulders more than their trunk, more than their legs, depending on where the imbalances are.
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So for me to go, hey, you know what, do these three things, you're gonna be fine, I'd be doing what everybody else does.
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And it just doesn't work like that.
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Well, yeah, I mean, that's the medical world in general, is okay, majority of people fit into this little thing, so let's just throw, we'll worry about that.
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We don't actually individualize it.
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Absolutely.
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It's like any medication, it's well, I always use caffeine or chocolate.
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You know what?
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I can have chocolate 10 minutes before bed, and I could sleep all night like a baby.
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My wife, if she eats chocolate after 1 p.m.
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in the afternoon, she's up till three in the morning because she's so wired.
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Caffeine, I can have a I bef when I stopped before I stopped drinking Coke.
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I would I could have a Coke any time of the evening.
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I could have two or three at dinner refills at a restaurant.
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Wouldn't affect me.
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If my wife took a sip of my Coke, she couldn't fall asleep for six hours.
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So it's not that I'm better, it's not that she's worse, it's just that everybody's body's chemistry, everybody's body responds differently.
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It's like, hey, you got a headache, take Tylenol.
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It's like, well, it might be poisonous to somebody where it's a miracle for another person.
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So amazing.
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Yeah, it's it's just sad how unindividualistic the medical world has become.
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Everybody follows the protocol, whether it's the hospital protocol, the doctor's protocol, or the insurance protocol.
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It's like, hey, this is what you do, these are the steps you take to get the best results.
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And I I did that for 17 years with my sciatica clients.
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I followed the rules, I followed the textbooks, and 17 years later I went, you know what?
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This ain't working.
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We got to do something better.
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Well, and the worst part is, like you say, I mean, it's it's shown to fail uh majority of the time.
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So to not understand that we need to switch things up and look at it differently, that that's the frustration right there.
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It's huge.
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And and with the medical world too, it's sort of here's what you're gonna do and pray it works.
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And seeing how I've taken on the full 180-degree um approach.
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So not only do I do the exact opposite of that, I actually offer people um the sciatica proof lab that you mentioned at the beginning.
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I offer people, hey, you know what?
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You've probably been scammed, you've probably been taken advantage of, you've probably been told that they this person can help you and that you do what this protocol says and you're gonna be fine.
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Oh, I mean, talk about skepticism nowadays.
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Everybody's getting scammed and it's skeptical, everybody's a skeptic, and they should be for their for their own sake, especially for their own sake, especially for their health.
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And so what I offer is I go, hey, you know what?
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Let's take this for a test drive.
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Let's take my approach for a test drive for three days.
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I will work with a person personally, three one half hour sessions live on Zoom like this, and I will walk them through a couple assessments, walk them through a couple things they can do to balance out imbalances.
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And over the three days, my average person is anywhere from 20 to 50% improved.
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And I say, okay, now I can't give it all away like this.
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I wish I could.
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I wish I had won the lottery when I was younger, and I'm a multimillionaire and I can um take care of everybody for free, but I gotta live.
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So here's what I have available after that.
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You want it, this is what it costs.
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If you don't want it, totally understand.
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Enjoy the 20 to 50% improvement that you have.
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So I have tried to flip things on its head and go, hey, you know what?
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I will I will give you a test drive so you don't have to commit to something and pray that it works like you have done with the injection, with the chiropractic decompression, with the physical therapy, with the um massage, with the Pilates, with everything else.
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Or and God forbid the surgery, which is only required in such a small, small, small percentage of people.
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That's why there's so many failed back surgery cases out there.
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Yeah.
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No, and I've seen those from the surge tech side.
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Yeah, it's amazing.
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And then they go back a second time to fix what wasn't fixed the first time, and I'm going, you use the same surgeon.
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I'm look, I'm not against surgery, I'm not against surgery.
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There are people out there who are saving lives, doing amazing things.
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But when it comes to if you have a failed back surgery, you go back to the same person.
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I I just go, What why?
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Well, they're doing a different surgery.
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I said, Of course they are, because they didn't fix you the first time.
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Now they have to do something more drastic, like a fusion, which is usually the third option after the failed microdisquectomy.
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Well, let's do a laminectomy.
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You know what, it's not stable back there anymore.
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Well, you took some bone out, doc.
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So now we gotta fuse it, and that's gonna hold you.
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But we can tell you that we'll probably take care of the pain down the leg, but your back pain will probably get worse.
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That's what uh it just Yeah.
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No, I want to pull my hair out.
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Yeah, and that's part of the problem though, is I can say from the patient side, you get into a diagnosis, into a situation, and you just kind of throw everything into okay, I gotta trust them and just go with it.
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That's the hardest part to get away from, and I know that from personal experience.
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Absolutely.
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And I mean, um, people older than our generation, I'm I'm assuming I'm a little older than you.
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How old are you?
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No, no, you're a kid, you're much younger than me.
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Um, I'm gonna be 60.
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Okay.
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So um our parents' generation, it was you go to the doctor, then again, medicine back then wasn't so um corporate corporate and wasn't so this is the protocol.
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They actually would come to your house or you would go to them and they would actually spend time with you.
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They wouldn't have to look at their computer to ask the right questions to make sure every T is crossed and dot is I so that the insurance company is going to recover it.
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They were actually practicing medicine.
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Whereas nowadays, nothing against doctors.
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This is what they're forced into doing, and it's follow the protocol.
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It's like, wait a second, but this person doesn't really fit what's going on.
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How do we inject, not inject, inject, but how do we intercept something that might we might be missing instead of going through this step-by-step protocol?
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So yeah, it's it's gotta be frustrating for doctors because I am not an anti-doctor.
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There there are phenomenal doctors out there trying to practice as best they can, but there are restrictions on them because they have to follow certain protocols in order to get reimbursed so they can live.
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And that's why there's so many now concierge doctors going out on their own, doing it their own way, because they got sick of the system.
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Well, I like how you brought up kind of back your day, my day.
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The doctor actually talked to you.
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He actually knew you from a personal standpoint.
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I'm guessing, because uh you do a lot of this online now, that it's a lot of conversation.
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You actually you don't need the it's not that quick 10 minute will, which they usually already know what they're gonna do.
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Right.
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We're gonna have worked this out.
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We're gonna figure out what really is uh the cause of this.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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When I got out of school, I I had we I got really excited when we got.
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Um, a notepad that was filled with sciatica exercises.
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Because when someone came in with sciatica, we can rip it off, say, here's the exercise to do.
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And thinking that, hey, you know what?
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Look at the time it's saving me.
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Look at they have a printout, they can see what to do at home.
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But what we failed to do back then was to go through each exercise with them, make sure that it was helping them, not hurting them.
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Obviously, we told them, hey, if it if it causes pain, don't do it.
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But it wasn't like we needed to go through each and every step because, hey, we had a pre-printed format, and that's what a lot of medicine is now, and it's really sad.
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And yes, like you said, when I get on a call with somebody, we're talking about, hey, you know what?
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How are they sleeping?
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What kinds of foods are you eating that possibly could be causing this?
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What kind of stress is in your life?
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Have, I mean, last year I went through a stressful time, lost my mom.
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It's like, all right, when I know when people have stress, their nervous system is a little bit more um sensitive.
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And so any little thing can cause pain compared to when you're not in that emotional tight state, you can tolerate a lot more.
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And so we talk about stressors, we talk about how much they're in the sun, what kind of sleep are they getting.
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So it's much more than just, hey, you know what?
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Let's fix this imbalance and you're done.
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It's like, all right, now let's take care of you holistically with a W, because I'm looking at the whole body instead of H holistic.
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Not that I'm against H holistic, but I I always want to tell people, look, I'm looking at your whole body in regards to this, not just, oh, the painful butt and the painful leg.
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I love that.
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Well, and that's why you can do it online, is because you're really having those conversations and it's not.
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I mean, that's been the problem.
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Okay, we're gonna do hands-on, we're gonna do but this is they're doing it like you said, 180 degrees wrong.
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So you can do it from this situation because we're not sitting there stretching and pulling and doing all that physically, exactly.
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.160
They can do it from their their own home.
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:27.279
And what I found is when someone has pretty much any physical ailment, it's not bad to get passive things done, get the massage done, grab a massage gun and massage yourself, or have somebody else do something to you.
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:32.400
But what I have found is that doesn't necessarily change your muscle pattern.
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:41.759
It might relax a tight muscle, it might calm down things temporarily, but for long term, you've got to be able to balance out your own body.
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.680
You've got to be able to make the changes in your muscles that are gonna hold you in place.
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:55.359
And that's one thing that so many people with sciatica think is hey, you know what, if my struck if I just had a stronger core, if I got my stomach muscles stronger, then I'd be fine.
00:24:55.440 --> 00:25:04.319
I say, well, that's fine and dandy, but if you're trying to strengthen yourself when your body's out of balance, number one, your muscles are not functioning optimally.
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:12.720
Number two, you're telling me you want to hold yourself in that imbalanced position, which is causing the added stress and the pain.
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:21.519
So 180 degrees opposite is hey, you know what, we're gonna calm the symptoms down before we stabilize you so that we hold you in a position that's not painful.
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:24.480
It makes sense.
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:28.240
It I mean, as I say it, I go, this is stupid simple.
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:29.839
This is common sense.
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:33.119
But you but you know it's crazy.
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:51.839
I I still, when I get working with some people, I'm doing some contract work here and there outside in a clinic or I'm going to people's homes, and I still I I am still retraining myself 17 years later to stop doing what I was taught because it's so ingrained in me.
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:58.000
And yeah, it's it I I just have to laugh at myself at times.
00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:58.880
I'm going to waste something.
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:05.039
I teach this to people online and I'm doing the exact same thing that I tell them not to do because that's just the way we're programmed.
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:06.960
That's what we that's what we learn.
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:20.640
So you're starting to see a change in attitudes, a change in how people are looking at medicine in general.
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.480
They're starting to understand it is failing.
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.599
And yeah, we are here just practicing medicine.
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:30.319
That's what it is.
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.039
It's practice.
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:38.319
Like, all right, let me practice, let me let me go to someone who practiced a lot and thinks a little bit differently than what everybody else does.
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:45.759
Because, yes, it feels like in the medical system, it's like, all right, you got sciatica, you're gonna go to your primary care doctor.
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:52.720
Primary care doctor is probably gonna give you a combination or one of the muscle relaxers, anti-inflammatory pain medications, and do an x-ray.
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:58.000
X-rays 99.9% times worthless for a cyaticline.
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.640
But they do it because that's the standard protocol.
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Come back in two weeks if you're not feeling anybody.
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:03.920
They come back in two weeks.
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:12.160
Maybe they get sent to physical therapy, maybe they get changed up on the medication if it didn't work because obviously we got to try to cover up the pain.
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:19.200
And the pain medication, the anti-inflammatory and the muscle relaxer do absolutely nothing for long-term healing.
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.119
It's just to mask the problem.
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:31.839
And the big problem with masking the problem is you have an underlying issue that you're still aggravating without realizing it because the symptoms are being masked.
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.319
That's just like the epidural injections.
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.480
They go, Well, the injections are really helping me.
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:37.759
I go, yeah, but you have to keep getting them.
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:39.759
Yeah, you have two or three a year.
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:53.359
I said, and if you didn't get them, your pain would be significantly more than what it was when you started because you're continuing to do the things that were aggravating you to begin with, but you don't feel the pain because it's being masked.
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:55.599
Yeah, but at least I can function.
00:27:55.759 --> 00:28:00.799
I said, but let's let's do the long term here.
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:08.720
I mean, it reminds me of conversations when I used to own my clinics and someone would tell me that they had back pain, but it's under control because they've been seeing a chiropractor.
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:14.079
And I have nothing personally against chiropractors, but in these cases, I go, how long have you been seeing the chiropractor?
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:15.680
Well, for four years.
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:16.960
Like, okay.
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.640
I said, how do you feel today compared to what you did four years ago?
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.359
Well, it's the same, but the chiropractor's helping me.
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:25.680
I said, I gotcha.
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.880
I said, So you've been going for four years.
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:29.440
How often?
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.160
Well, it's once or twice a week, depending on how it feels.
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.119
I said, okay.
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.680
So you've been doing this for four years, they've been helping you, but you feel the same.
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:38.720
Yes.
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.039
They go, are you telling me they're not helping me?
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.119
I said, I'm not telling you they're not helping you.
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:51.519
I'm just repeating back to you what you're telling me, that you're no different today than you were four years ago, but you said they're helping you.
00:28:51.759 --> 00:29:00.160
They might be giving you a manipulation and you feel good for a couple days and you can function, but you're not telling me you're any better than what you were four years ago.
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:07.920
And that's my concern, and that my heart for you is I want you better than what you were last week, let alone four years ago.
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:21.279
And it just, as I replay things in my head, I just go, wow, how come I didn't figure out that doing things totally differently seven the first 17 years of my career?
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:28.799
I mean, I I was putting people on the traction unit, traction and heat for every low back and scientific client.
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:29.920
They loved it.
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.880
Then I would do some manual therapy, they thought it was awesome.
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.920
Then back then we were doing ultrasound, which is not the picture, but the heat ultrasound.
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.920
As physical therapists, that's what we learned in school.
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That's what we did.
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.279
Then they would do exercises, then I'd finish them with ice and stim.
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.079
They would get up.
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.480
Most of the time they would feel better when they walk out.
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:52.880
And either by the time they sat down in their car or they got home from their drive home, the symptoms started creeping back.
00:29:53.920 --> 00:30:00.559
And we'd repeat that 12, 16, 20 times, however long the insurance would cover it for.
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:08.880
I mean, I I'm embarrassed now as I look back and I I wish I had the list of my clients from back then so I could call them and tell them I am so sorry.
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.160
I didn't know.
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:11.519
I that's all I knew.
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:18.160
I thought I was doing what I was supposed to, and I was, according to the guidelines, according to the insurance company.
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:20.000
A couple funny stories.
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:30.880
When I started treating people opposite, I was um a lot of insurance companies don't like it when you're working people's shoulders when they have problems in their low back.
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:41.599
And one person called me from an insurance company, they had a lumbar or um no, they had they had a shoulder problem, so I was working on their neck.
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:52.079
And they called me and said, Christine, why are you charging cervical um mobilization for shoulder problems?
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.039
I said, Because they're related.
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.160
They literally just kept on saying cervical over and over and over.
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And I said, Hold on a sec.
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.880
I said, let me ask you a question.
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:07.839
They said, okay.
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:17.119
I said, when you're saying cervical, are you thinking of um a region that I should not be anywhere near in a female?
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.200
And they went, yeah, isn't it?
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.440
Isn't cervical related to cervix?
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:30.640
I mean, I went, listen, the cervical region is your neck, those are your cervical vertebrae.
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:35.599
I'm I don't know why I'm bringing this up, but it just sort of shows the insurance mentality.
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:40.640
That it's like, wait a second, I was working on someone's neck because it was a shoulder problem.
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.200
That's in close proximity, but their their thinking is wait a second.
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:51.519
Anyway, uh But no, that's the whole point, though, is they're not looking at it in that holistic way like you mentioned.
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:56.720
I just wrote down acupuncture, uh, which has been around for thousands of years.
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:05.759
Uh it's uh they know the pressure points, they know the points that affect everything or that certain area, and that's basically what you're doing.
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:12.720
Uh you're because it's all interconnected, and that's again from the medical side.
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:16.559
We don't look at it's just oh no, it's like you said, the lower back.
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:17.680
That's all you're gonna work on.
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.680
No, there's so many other little points that can affect that.
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.839
Absolutely, yeah.
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:31.200
I I never thought of it as I never I never thought, hey, acupunct yeah, acupuncturists have been doing this for years.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.079
Yes.
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:40.640
That um our body, I mean, there used to be a song, your um ankle bones connected to your shin bone, your shin to your ankle, your ankle.
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.759
Yes, and it it is all interconnected.
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.599
I one of the wildest things I've ever seen in my clinic.
00:32:47.759 --> 00:33:00.400
I had a dentist who um had his practice next door when I used to live in um Charlotte, and he would send me TMJ clinics, and this one lady literally cannot open her mouth more than a centimeter.
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:06.480
She goes, I've been I have to suck all my um food in through a straw, and she went on and on.
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.640
And finally, um she said, Look, it's been like this for three weeks.
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.079
I didn't think you can help me, but now I need help.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:24.960
So um I um checked her out, found her biggest imbalance was in her legs with a leglet.
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:32.160
So I worked her good leg and then retested the leg that was limited and it equaled out.
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.720
I said, Alright, I got a really strange request here.
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:35.680
She goes, What's that?
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:36.720
I go, open your mouth.
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.400
She opened her mouth full.
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.480
She goes, I haven't opened my mouth that wide in years, let alone since.
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:43.920
And she goes, How'd you do that?
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.400
I said, you know, everything's connected.
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:51.200
If you've got restrictions down below below your neck, guess what's going to happen?
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:55.599
If you've got a problem here, that's gonna be stressed because of the imbalances.
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:57.119
And she freaked out.
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.839
She came back a couple days later with the same problem.
00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:00.640
I said, What happened?
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.599
She goes, I was so excited I ate a hamburger and I had to put my mouth around it, and I hadn't chewed that much in so long.
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.880
Now it's sore again.
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:08.559
And then I went back to her legs.
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.320
She goes, I didn't even think to do my legs.
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:11.519
I was just rubbing my jaw.
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.440
I said, Everybody does.
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.880
I said, That's the side that's sore, rub this side.
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:18.639
And now let's balance out your legs.
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.039
We got her mouth opened wide again.
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.119
So Again, I go back to our intuition.
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.199
A lot of times we're telling ourselves this is wrong, and we're just not trusting that.
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:30.960
Absolutely.
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:32.719
Absolutely.
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:35.599
I mean, I see that with how we went through our cancer treatment.
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:48.239
I think we just ignored everything and just okay, this is how we have to do it, and we're gonna do it, and we're gonna be strong, and whatever, but we ended up with so many side effects, so many and again it's not against the doctors, that's just how they do it.
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:50.239
Absolutely.
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.400
Are people starting to listen a little bit more too?
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:01.199
A little bit.
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:12.400
I think I think after COVID a lot of people are just not trusting the the establishment as much as they used to.
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:27.119
And um actually COVID was probably the the biggest factor in my business growing just simply because people are not afraid to jump on a Zoom call because Zoom became normal.
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:35.440
And I still have a lot of clients or a lot of potential clients who I speak with, and they go, I I just want to do it locally because I want hands-on.
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.519
I go, how long have you been doing this?
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.039
It's been going on three years.
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.480
I go, and that one-on-one touching in-person stuff has been working for you.
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.559
They go, well, no, but I I want to keep doing it.
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:47.440
I said, okay.
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:53.360
I mean, it's hard to it's hard to break some people's patterns of thinking.
00:35:53.440 --> 00:36:01.199
And I mean, and I even confessed, hey, sometimes I go back to doing what I was programmed to do without thinking, because that's just the normal way.
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:10.719
So it's not it's not that I haven't I don't have anything against these people, but I just want to try to convince them, look, you've been doing this thing over and over and over again.
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.840
And I know Einstein's credited with it, but he I've heard that he never said it.
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:20.960
But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.280
Let's try something different.
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.480
And I go, and you can try it for free.
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:36.480
I'm not even gonna charge you, I'm not gonna charge your insurance because I don't deal with insurance, I'm not gonna charge your credit card, I don't even want your credit card, but for three days, what do you have to lose?
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:42.960
So Yeah, I again it it keeps bringing back something I talk about a lot.
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:50.000
We have put ourselves in this situation for 50 plus years, so it's gonna take a long time to get out of that.
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:51.039
It will.
00:36:51.679 --> 00:37:16.320
I think the younger generation is a whole lot more skeptical, and they what I'm seeing is people my kids' age between 25 and 40, let's say, they seem to be much more skeptical, but at the same time, craving authenticity compared to what we were used to.
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.679
We it was sort of it had nothing to do with authenticity for us.
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:26.159
I I mean that word wasn't even I mean, authentic was around, but everybody now goes, hey, you've got to be your authentic self.
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.719
It's like, well, what else can you be?
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.400
But as far as medical stuff, it's like, hey, you know what I want?
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:38.960
I want a doctor who's gonna at least acknowledge me and not just blow me off, not just say, hey, here's a pill.
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:45.760
Oh, if that pill doesn't work or it gives you a problem, I have another pill that can fix the problem that that pill causes.
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.280
Or you read the side effects of any of these medications.
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:56.960
And I haven't read one yet that hasn't said can cause more of the same.
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.559
Like depression medication, this this may cause suicidal thoughts.
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.960
It's like you're gonna give that to someone who's depressed.
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:08.559
Or and I'm not picking on any specific, I'm just like, that's just that's just what it is.
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.239
And people are going, what are we doing?
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:10.880
I agree.
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:21.679
I I think as the rate of chronic illness continues to rise, it's gonna get people really, really thinking and wanting different.
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:28.639
And I'm hoping for that because I hope they start listening to podcasts like this, listening to individuals like yourself.
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.119
Because all we're doing is trying to get it out there.
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:36.239
That's all we're trying to do, and we're trying to we're trying to alleviate the problem.
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:42.559
I mean, it's yes, it's amazingly frustrating.
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:49.920
And and I have a lot of um uh PT friends and acquaintances, and they go, What are you doing?
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:51.039
I say, This is what I'm doing.
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:51.679
Why are you doing that?
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.000
I said, Well, number one, it works.
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.320
Number two, lots of success.
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:02.719
And I mean, I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of testimonials, videos, uh, written testimonials of people.
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:08.480
I've I've helped since I started this approach, I've helped about it's been over 10,000 people.
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.440
I know it's been over 52, almost 5,300 people now since going online.
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:24.960
And I I see the results, and I just my my PT friends are like going, that just doesn't make sense.
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:26.639
And I said, Well, you know what?
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:31.840
Keep treating your sciatica clients the way they are, and if they don't get better, send them to me and then we can talk.
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.119
Because they go, Dean, you're doing things totally backwards.
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.239
I said, I know, and it's working so much better.
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.400
I said, Look, you're talking to somebody who owned three clinics, a concierge practice.
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:51.760
I was a director of PT for 12 years before I opened my practices, and I'm going, it's not like I don't know what I'm doing or what I'm talking about.
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.039
And these are new, these are people coming out with their doctorate degrees.
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.719
I don't have a doctorate degree, I only have a master's degree because I didn't offer a doctorate.
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:04.800
And when I called my school and I said, Hey, can I take the extra classes that you added so I can become a doctor?
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:06.400
They said, You've got to start all over.
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.239
And I said, You are out of your mind.
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:10.960
I said, No, I don't.
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.239
So, yeah, I'm just a master, I'm not a doctor.
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:20.559
And um, I tell these doctorate students, I go, guys, look, there's different ways you can do this.
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.719
Yeah, but Dean, you've got to stretch what's tight.
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:23.679
I go, okay.
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.000
I said, why don't you just try doing it the opposite way?
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:37.360
And what's funny is I'm in I'm in a clinic now, and I get a client, I tell the director of the clinic, I go, look, I do think they said, Dean, as long as you get results, I don't care what you do to these people.
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.000
So I'm starting to do um the overall approach is called total motion release.
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:43.760
That's the course that I took years ago.
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:50.960
And I've sort of um turned it into my own for sciatica, but that that's the basis of what I do.
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:52.480
It's called total motion release.
00:40:52.559 --> 00:41:02.400
And so I start doing these with clients, and they go back to their other therapist and go, hey, Dean, Dean made more gains in one session than you did in the last three weeks, digging on me, and look what I could do with my arm.
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:03.199
Well, how do you do it?
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:11.360
To work this side, and they're like, so now they're starting to ask, now they're starting to listen, and they're going, all right, the results are.
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:19.679
I mean, when you have patients telling them to do something, it carries a lot more weight than me telling them this is how it should be done.
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:33.760
So I was talking to somebody on a walk today, and a lot of it is we were talking about open-mindedness and how kids are going to school, we're worried about our kids or being indoctrinated with whatever.
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And that's what we're talking about here is they're just not people aren't free to think for themselves anymore.
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But that's what you're trying to get out there, especially if you see it doesn't work, open your mind to something different.
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Absolutely.
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It doesn't have to be something crazy either.
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Just try trying to alternate it's not gonna hurt.
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What you're doing is not working, by all means.
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God gave you a brain to to be creative with.
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You you can figure things out yourself, even.
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Especially when it's not gonna hurt that person or make it worse.
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That's the other side of this.
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There's no downside to trying it.
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Absolutely.
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Especially if you're suffering.
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It's like, okay, so you're gonna you might suffer a little bit less, you might suffer a little bit more, but that's the same when you go to different treatments.
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It's no, I mean, I'm not telling people to run away from doctors, but you know what?
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Find somebody different.
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If what you're doing is not working, I mean, how many times would you go to a dentist who botched up a tooth filling and then said, Oh, I gotta fix it.
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Oh, I gotta fix it.
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And each time it's another$250 or$300.
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It's like, how many times are you gonna go back before you go, you know what, Duck?
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I think I'm gonna try somebody else.
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100%.
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Anyway.
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Dean Volk, uh, why don't you let everybody know how to get a hold of you and learn more about uh what you have to offer?
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Well, thank you.
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And thank you for allowing me on, Jonathan.
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Um, you guys can get in touch with me.
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My you know what?
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I'll give you my personal email.
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It's Dean, my first name at Dean Volk, V isn'victor o-l-k, like the Volkswagen, Dean at Deanvolk.com.
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That's my personal email.
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And I never give that out, but I just did, so now it's out there.
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Um if you want to take my approach for a test drive, you can go on to my website for that.
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It's www.sciatica prooflab.com.
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Sciatica S-C I A T I C A Proof Lab, P-R-O-O-F-L-A-B.
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Sciatica Proof Lab.com.
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That will get you to um an application process where you can apply for my proof lab.
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You can find me online.
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You can just put in sciatica relief now, Dean Volk, and I will pop up in your Google search.
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Excellent.
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And I'll do a blog post with all that information.
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I might not put your personal email on there.
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You know what?
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Go for it.
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I don't I don't care anymore.
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I love it.
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All right.
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Dean Volk, we got licensed physical therapist for the last 34 years, creator of 180 degree sciatica solutions, founder, sciatica relief now, creator of the scientific proof lab.
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It was an absolute pleasure to have you.
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Pleasure was all mine, Jonathan.
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We should do this again sometime.
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I would love to.
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I'll actually talk to you after this.
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All right.
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Sounds good.
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All right, everybody.
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Thank you all for listening.
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And as we continue our health and wellness journeys, find the attitude, keep the attitude, go out living.
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Bye, everybody.
