Distortion Analysis - Episode 11: Season Finale

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We had two double digits again.
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Deeper into double digits.
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Um all right, so we just uh did an interview with some uh friends of ours in a band called Osiris Rex.
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Uh band from Finland.
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We're going to uh show that first.
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It's gonna be the main topic uh of this band of this uh episode, and then we're gonna come back to our music news and things like that.
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But for right now, here's the interview with Osiris Rex.
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Welcome to episode 11.
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We are doing an interview with a very special band from Finland, some buddies of ours, and a band called Osiris Rex.
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And um, a little bit of an origin story about this band.
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I go back with the singer in this one.
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He's an old buddy of mine from back in my relapse uh nuclear blast days, and he used to be at a uh radio station in Providence, Rhode Island.
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Uh, so my buddy Joey Severance here.
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So I want to start, Joey, with a little bit of your journey of how did you go from Providence, Rhode Island?
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Is it Tempere?
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Tempere, yeah.
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Tempere, thank you.
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Tempere, uh, Finland.
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How did you how did that happen?
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Well, I was in Amsterdam first.
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Okay, how did that happen?
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Um, I was working at Metal Blade.
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I don't know if you remember.
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Oh, yeah.
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Um, so I was working at Metal Blade.
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I had a bet with Slagle.
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I won the bet.
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He sent me over to the Dynamo Festival.
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Um, I fell in love with the Dutch people, moved over there, and um the second year there I was working for pavement, running their European office.
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Wow.
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And then from there, I ended up hooking up with this guy, Johan, who had this spoken agency, Medalisi.
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And he was doing all of like the death metal, thrash metal, black metal tours.
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And I ended up doing that for like almost 15 years.
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Um, and during one of those tours, let me see, the tour was a finrel, Naglefar, and a Finnish band called Amaral.
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They were really young, young dudes, like 19, 20 years old, on their very first tour.
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But they were just great players.
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I mean, they could play.
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And I remember one night after a show in London, I sat a couple of them down on the back of the bus and I said, Hey, listen, I don't have a band, but when I get a record deal, I want you guys to play on my album.
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And you know, we had a big laugh about it or whatever.
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And about a year later, um, the guitar player and I that I was working with, a guy named McKeel in Amsterdam, you know, we're working on these songs, and we ended up getting a deal with uh Listenable Records.
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Oh wow.
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So um we got that deal, and um was that Tornado or is that a different band?
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Yeah, that was for Tornado.
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That's right.
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And uh we ended up signing with Listenable.
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We went to Sweden, did our first record with Peter Tagdren.
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Oh, cool.
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Wow, awesome! Yeah, Peter, Peter, Peter produced the first Tornado album, and then um Mikhail ended up uh moving to Israel um a little after the album came out.
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Yeah, it was I think it was after the album came out.
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So he ended up moving to Israel.
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So I had no other connections in Amsterdam, and I figured if there's anywhere in this world that I could am going to put together the type of band that I want and make a band in my image, it would be here in Finland.
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Because from my experience of touring with Finnish bands, they're not afraid to get dressed up and walk on the stage.
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I mean, for me, it was really important that I do not have a band that walks on the stage that looks like they just got out of work.
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No, that's what I mean.
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I get it, but for me, it doesn't.
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I want a whole get on stage and look the part type of band.
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Right on it, and it's hard to get people to you know see your vision if they're not if that's not their thing and shit.
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But I knew I'd have an easier time finding those guys in Finland, and I did.
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So that's what drew you there, just more the scene and the the the way the okay.
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What was it like when you're working with Peter?
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What was that like?
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And did you and did you sit there and geek out about hypocrisy the whole damn time?
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No, I would have been like, I would I would have slowed down the whole production process by asking about hypocrisy the whole damn time.
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No, actually, we were geeking.
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Well, no, because by then I had done already done a lot of tours with hypocrisy.
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Oh, so you already had a history with them.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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So you got that out of your system, you got that out of your system.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Uh Peter ended up producing the um Tornado album because of the friendship that I had from those previous tours of managing hypocrisy, you know, all over Europe.
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You got you know, when you spend X amount of time with people on a bus, you you you you develop a friendship over time.
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Real quick, because I get this could be a rabbit hole I go down, but I don't want to waste too much time, spend too much time on it.
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But real quick, just real quick, what's his studio like?
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What's his process like as a producer?
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I've always been curious about that.
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Um, well, you know, here's the thing.
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He is um when he first picked us up from the train station because he lives in the middle of nowhere.
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His studio is really in the middle of nowhere.
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Yes.
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He picked us up from the train station.
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We had to go to the supermarket, do all of our shopping for the whole two weeks.
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Oh my god.
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Oh my god, that remote.
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You shop for two weeks, it's that remote.
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There, there's nothing.
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So he recorded in the winter, which is perfect because so damn is that in Sweden or is that in Norway or wherever?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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Um, and because it was in the middle of winter, it's too cold to go outside and do anything.
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So you stay inside and so I remember he told us, Hey, look, um, I don't know how we're gonna do a record in two weeks.
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And I was like, dude, we are on point, we're ready.
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And we were, you know, because we were well, well rehearsed.
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Right.
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Our drums were done in a day in a day, and then he did this the last song, the second.
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Yeah, yeah.
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What the thing about that is um we had we had taken when we did that first album, uh, the tornado album, it was just Mikhail and I, the main songwriters.
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And then the three guys from Amoral, they were living in Helsinki.
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We went we were in Helsinki for one day.
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I stayed in the hotel.
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Mikhail went and rehearsed with them for like two or three hours, and then we went to Sweden the next morning.
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That was the only rehearsal.
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Yeah, I mean, like that's crazy.
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Um yeah, we got the whole thing done in the nail it.
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I mean, he wow Peter, he was there early in the morning and he didn't leave until late.
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I mean, he makes sure things get done, and he's real meticulous.
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It was yeah, it was a great experience.
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I kind of imagine he was he'd be meticulous.
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I kind of thought so.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, so how did then how then so because now we're gonna transition to Osiris Rex here?
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How did Tornado evolve into Osiris Rex?
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How did that happen?
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Well, um, we had for our third album, Commitment to X List, we had done a European tour supporting Six Feet Under.
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This is right before the pandemic came and everything.
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Um, and we did really, really well on that tour.
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It was everything I expected it to be and more.
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Uh, the problem for me, I mean, problem.
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I just had a real issue, not you know, not with the guys on a personal level because we're still friends, but band-wise, you know, some of the guys were in other bands that was taking up their time.
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You know, that's the that's the era we live in.
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Uh, you know, I grew up, you were in one band, and it was you against the world.
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You know, you were a gang, not even a band, you were a gang.
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Nowadays, you know, it's hard to keep one guy in one band.
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Everything's a project, yeah.
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Right, yeah.
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No one takes when when it becomes a project.
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I mean, look, if I'm in this band and then I'm in that band, I'm only giving each band 50%.
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You can't, right?
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Because I'm only one person.
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So the more bands you're and people don't realize that it just gets that's why bands are not as good as they used to be when I was growing up.
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They're not as tight that you know, it's they don't take it as seriously as I think.
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But I mean, yeah, I think a lot of that has to do with the age bracket of how okay has become it's old.
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I mean, is the scene like that in Finland?
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Is there a lot of project-based stuff going on?
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Is it more band?
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No, I mean uh yeah, four players.
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You definitely every drummer is like four bands, guitar players are in two bands that have one solo project, and singers who can't find it.
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Everything is more like projects.
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Uh, a lot of project-based stuff.
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Okay, yeah, absolutely.
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So then how did Tornado then turn into what happened?
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Um, at the end of that tour, I just wasn't feeling it anymore.
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So I thought, you know, I was right, I'm not really a guitar player, but I'm writing all of the songs, all the music.
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I'm I'm doing a lot of the stuff, and I don't feel like everyone is contributing the way they should.
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Because if they were, we would be a lot more advanced than what we are, because it takes a whole.
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So I thought, you know what?
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If I'm doing almost everything on my own, I might as well be on my own.
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And I I'm not afraid to start over.
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So I thought, okay, tornadoes run its course.
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I'm gonna find some guys and try it again with a whole new different name, and and we'll see where it goes.
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But that's pretty much how one band transformed into the other.
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Into the other.
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Very cool.
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Yeah, so all right.
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So, William, what what do you got?
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I'm gonna because I I've been talking, so let me shut up for what.
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Well, well, first of all, hail to our metal brothers from the north.
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We here we here in the southern latitudes with our beaches and our boardwalks are very soft.
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So we appreciate the the metal injection coming from uh uh from Finland.
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Um it it Scandinavia has got a tremendous, tremendous metal history.
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Uh, when you think of extreme music, you think of you know, like there's the American version, and then there's the Scandinavian metal scene, and and that's been like that for over 30 years, going all the way back to not even like not even entombed, but before that when they were nihilist.
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Um, I checked out you guys' music, and I had I very much enjoyed listening to it.
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I'd never heard of you guys, and I was wondering if you could speak to where you got the name from because when I looked it up, when I did my first search, I started reading about like NASA in the yep, that's right, that's where it comes from.
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Osiris Rex is a was a NASA mission to a satellite called Bennu.
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So the Osiris Rex mission, uh, the satellite um went to this asteroid, uh picked up the sample, brought it back to Earth.
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The first time ever.
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That was Osiris Rex?
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Whoa, yes, that was Osiris Rex.
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Yeah, and um, I just happened to be watching this documentary on it, and I thought, wow, what a great name.
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I'm gonna keep it uh for a band.
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Yeah, that's cool.
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So that yeah, that was that was a NASA mission, so that's where the name comes from, the NASA mission.
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Okay, I love that.
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Yeah, all right.
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Uh on this podcast, we ask all of the tough questions.
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Yeah, and Sean knows what I'm talking about.
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He's got the paper out.
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Question one Has the sun finally reappeared in Finland yet?
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It's starting.
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It's it's starting, it's starting to be like 50 degrees uh Celsius.
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Uh so basically, uh you can start to drop your hoodie off.
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Uh so on on a 50 scale, it's starting to be real summer.
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Uh on the like Southern Texas scale, it would be like cold winter.
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Yeah.
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But going back to what you were talking about earlier about the Scandinavian dance, being American and living here, I can explain it.
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So, especially up here, Norway, Sweden, um, Finland, during the winter months, it's so damn cold.
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Yeah, it's so dark.
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I can picture, like, because look, he here in Finland, guitar players, I mean, they're just amazing.
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The players, individual guys as players on their instrument, they are just amazing.
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And here's why growing up, they probably had no friends, or if they did, it's too damn cold to be outside all day long.
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So you're in the practicing your instrument.
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I mean, that's my theory, because the amount of excellent musicians here in Finland or Sweden or Norway, it's just yeah, they're everywhere.
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And I I factor that to that there's just so much.
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Look, um, for us in the winter, right?
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So, like by 10:30 in the morning, it starts to get bright.
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By about 4:30, it's completely black again.
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Dark.
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Yes, and when I first moved here, I wasn't used to that, so it really, really messed with me mentally.
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I had to go out and get a sunlight and everything.
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Oh, wow.
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I'm used to it by now, but yeah, this is yeah, yeah.
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Volteri, was when you were coming up as a guitarist, was it competitive for you with other guitarists?
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Did you feel because going with Joey said, since you guys are all such good players, did it feel like did it feel like competitive, or did it feel like like more like brothers, you know, like brothers, or how did that feel?
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Uh I didn't have like any competitions.
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Uh and not that doesn't uh have anything with Basquillos or anything.
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Basically, the thing was uh Joey saw a picture of me.
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Uh no, no, he's asking when you first started.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Like uh now I've been like always just playing whatever I want and being like that on my path.
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Uh so of course there is like great amount of great players, but uh no, for me it doesn't because you pick up the guitar.
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That was my uncle.
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Uh yeah, I have never had like any idols.
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Uh really of course there are like great players that I'm looking up, like Alexia and Dimeback and everything, but no, I don't have like anybody that I want to be that guy.
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Oh no, how did you how did you two how did you find each other?
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Uh yeah, uh that was uh I had there is like Finnish website, uh Musica Netflix basically is for well mushish uh musicians, there is live marketplace and your basically chats and everything.
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Um I was putting up ad that I'm looking for a band since my pre uh I ended my career on my previous band.
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So basically Joey is just a picture of me.
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And he was like, Okay, we want that.
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I was in the band before uh he or anybody else have ever heard me playing anything.
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So basically it's just turned out uh I was good enough.
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I guess the formula is Joey, like everybody could play really well anyway.
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It was just a matter of the look at that point.
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Uh when I got here to Finland and I assembled the guys who became tornado, that's exactly how I found them.
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Great book.
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Yes, I'm going through my fans, friends' list.
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I like the way that dude looks, I like how you look.
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And then I got them, and yeah, that how that they became.
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I just knew that people guys here they can play.
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Wow, yeah, they can because look, here's the thing um, if you can't deliver it on the stage, on the stage, nothing else matters.
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So the scene almost sounds like to me, like Nashville.
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You know how Nashville, like every musician is a good player, it's just like it's so flooded with bands, and it's just it's like a really condensed scene there, but you can't be there unless you're a really good musician.
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Like, you can't, you know what I mean.
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So it just seems is the is the scene in Finland like that?
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Are there clubs or there are places to play where it's really like there's a central music scene, or how's that work?
00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:37.200
Well, uh, there are like scenes on East Town, of course, or eat C D.
00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:42.559
Uh, but I think in Finland there is lots of like different levels of players and different levels of bands.
00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:57.679
So there is like your hobby band that plays like once in a year on local club uh for their fiances and mothers, but there is also lots of those bands that are actually working up, uh people that are educating themselves, uh pushing forwards, uh just wanna be better players.
00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:07.039
And of course, how it works, there is some band, and there is will be like guitar player or drummer that wanna be on better band and better band, so they are climbing up the ladders.
00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:15.680
And of course, Finland is quite a small place, so after a certain point, it's basically everything just you can live there and they are driving around.
00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:22.880
And so basically, like if we're talking about actually like professional level players, there are not so many actually.
00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:32.319
But like mediocre players who are working like uh on construction side or something else, but still are like beast level players, there are quite a bit of those.
00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:33.759
Cool.
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Well over the years, the scene has I don't know how it is in other places, but when I first moved to Finland compared to now, the scene has really changed.
00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.000
Um, there's well, there's not so many places to play.
00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:50.880
Um did COVID change that?
00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:57.039
Well, well, COVID closed down a little bit, but I think it's more like business side.
00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:58.240
Uh okay.
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You know, the thing is, Sean, and I I I we see I think we can see it in the US too.
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Metal is not a young person's game anymore, right?
00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:22.559
So the problem is when you've got when the audience is middle age and above, they're not really into it like they were when they're 15 through 23, 24, right?
00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.039
So, yeah, so that's what happened.
00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:36.160
So the whole look metal, when we were coming up, the age difference between the band and the audience was maybe 10 years today.
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If you can find anyone under the age of 25 at a show, the age difference between the band and them is like 30, 40 years.
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No, you can't sustain that.
00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:54.160
Teenagers are not interested in that, and this is where metal metal is now the classic rock.
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Look, here's the in the room is a damn that I think you hurt me.
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I think my heart died a little bit when I said that because my age that you it's like you sent an arrow of my age that said 57 like that.
00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:14.640
Um you're exactly right though.
00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:16.240
Yeah, facts.
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Sure.
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Uh the fact is metal is the only musical genre right now that is run by its legacy artist.
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So look, pop music.
00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:39.839
I went to see Duran Duran and Brian Adams a few weeks ago, separate shows, and they were great, but within their genre, they are the legacy acts, they're not the main, right?
00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:49.519
And our genre, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Scorpions, they should be the legacy acts, but they are the main fucking court.
00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:51.440
Yeah, yo, that's a problem.
00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:52.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:53.119
That's a good point.
00:19:53.759 --> 00:20:02.960
Yeah, there's like there's no new scorpions, is what there is an entire generation of metal fans missing.
00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.119
Look, I just did a tour with Kopicani across the US.
00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:08.559
I mean, across Europe, right?
00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.000
I did an American tour with them, and then I did a European tour with them.
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The European tour, it was my first European tour in over 15 years.
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So I was seeing a lot of people I hadn't seen a long time.
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Some of them, excuse me, had for had children, right?
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Teenagers.
00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:27.599
Joey, this is my son or this is my daughter.
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And I would ask, maybe like five or six, but I asked all five or six, the the kid, hey, who are your bands?
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I made in Metallica.
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No, no, no, no.
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Who are your bands?
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no.
00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:42.400
That's your daddy's band.
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Who are your no?
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Oh we laugh, but it's crazy, serious problem.
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They don't have any of their bands.
00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:51.440
Who are the bands?
00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:51.839
Damn.
00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:57.519
If you're a 15, 16, 17-year-old kid today listening to heavy metal, who are your bands?
00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.519
Well, yeah, who are they?
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Wow.
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They're not doing this like the Metallica's and the Slayers and the Skid Rose and the Motley Cruise.
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Yeah.
00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:07.759
When I was a teenager, they were skyrocketing.
00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:09.839
No one is skyrocketing anymore.
00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.319
Well, I thought five finger death punch.
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I thought five-finger death punch was gonna get kind of up there, but they never really got that high up there.
00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:21.759
Yeah, and I think that happens for many panels.
00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.079
Uh so they are getting like breathing big, but not on the highest level.
00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.000
They would be warming up for Metallica, not on the same level.
00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:34.160
Yeah, um, that's because what we just talked about.
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There are no young people.
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Young people are the ones that drive bands.
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:40.559
The band grows with their audience.
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Yeah, but when there is no young people in the audience, right, the band gets here and that's it.
00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:53.599
It's not like Ozzy and Anthrax, we know their audience grew as they did.
00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:54.000
Right.
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I mean, even look around right now, right now in 2026, and the Tours that are going out right now, they're stacked.
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They are the A-list of the A-list.
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But, and the shows are packed.
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I'm not taking any way anything away from them, but here's what we're missing.
00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:18.799
So, among these, you know, let's say four stacked bands are going out right now, and they're playing to like 1200, 1300 people.
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:19.759
Well, you know what?
00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:26.160
10 years ago, each of those four bands, independent of each other, could bring in that same 1200 people.
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Now you got to see the crowd.
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And what's happening is there's no room in there for a young up-and-coming band.
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Almost every avenue for young and up and coming bands has been taken away.
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That's crazy over the course of the past X amount of years.
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Well, that's why we don't.
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I'm sorry, go ahead.
00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:57.119
No, I was gonna say that's why we don't see many of them growing, or the good ones that they they grow so far, and then they just can't, so they break up.
00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:05.119
You know, you've got to, you know, when I was young and in bands, the only thing I had to worry about was all the bands, they were my competition.
00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:10.720
Now you've got to worry about your your online profile and and making videos.
00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:12.079
Who's the time for that?
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Right?
00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:13.920
It's got nothing to do with music.
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:18.079
Yeah, but this is the this is the world we're living in.
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:31.519
The uh you if you remember last summer when they had the the last show that Ozzy played, and all of the bands that were with them, I mean they're really it was like a who's who of top-level metal acts, yeah, right?
00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:34.720
So you didn't really have a lot of up-and-coming stuff there.
00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:37.759
You had the one guy who was the vocalist.
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I'd never even heard of his name before.
00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:40.799
Um Youngblood.
00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:41.920
Young Black Young Blood.
00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:43.440
I've never even heard of him before.
00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:45.039
Yeah, I hadn't heard him before either.
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:46.799
He's kind of came out of nowhere for me, too.
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:47.359
Yeah.
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:48.880
Yeah, but you're right.
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.960
There was nothing, nobody else that was kind of a temp contemporary young up and coming in there.
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:58.880
They're all kind of like it almost felt like a farewell to the legacy metal era, that concert.
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:13.039
Well, no, I mean, um the in my opinion, I don't see anything changing until all of Gen X has their hands out of the because they're running this, they're running this shit on nostalgia.
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:27.039
I mean, look, my mind is absolutely blown when I see C and D level 80s bands doing shit in this day and age that they've never done in their heyday.
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.640
Yeah, there's only one reason for that: no competition, right?
00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:43.039
Um, because there's no competition and there's no money anywhere, it's a lot easier for a label to sign a band from back in the day with a name than a band like us with no name, right?
00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:44.720
Let's spin back to you guys for a minute.
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You guys just got signed by Combat, which was Michael Growing.
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:48.640
Congratulations.
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:50.079
Congratulations, yeah.
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:52.960
Awesome here, and also legendary label, by the way.
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:54.000
So, on top of that.
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:55.920
So, how did that come to be, Joey?
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.519
How did that deal happen?
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:02.240
Um, the owner, Robert, has been a friend of mine for a long time.
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:07.759
And um, when I saw that he and his partner were the owners of Combat, I thought, oh, you know what?
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:15.519
Let me send him our stuff to check out because he had actually seen Tornado live on one of those Six Street Under shows.
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.759
Yeah, so he was into it, and yeah, he he said, Yeah, let's let's do it.
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:28.000
So killer, right on that simple on um our new album now, and yeah, hopefully it'll be out early next year.
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:29.200
I was gonna say, what's the plan there?
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:30.720
You're doing the when does the album come out?
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:31.519
And are you doing it?
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:32.799
Are you gonna do a European tour?
00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:34.160
Wait, what are you guys doing?
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:38.640
Well uh well, first uh speaking of the new father.
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.119
Speaking of the new father, I guess he's gonna guide this a bit.
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:43.119
Thank you.
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.720
Uh for first, we are focusing uh putting up new album.
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:53.519
Uh and we are we have booked a uh studio uh producer on everything, and we are gonna record it uh in this year.
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.599
Do you have the do you have the studio picked out yet?
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:56.640
And who's gonna produce it?
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:02.079
Yeah, uh it's Mihala Studios here in Finland, uh run by Jon Neyaravela from Gorbi Climate Band.
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.799
So we have a great producer.
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.640
Uh and of course, we've been working uh with him uh already.
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.519
So we have things going on already.
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.000
Cool.
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:23.839
Uh so basically, first we are uh doing our album, and after that we've been uh starting to look up uh tour uh and of course uh while recording, but uh by the end of this year.
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.759
Uh so after that we are taking up tours and we'll see what will happen.
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.160
But but algombies are like top priority.
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.839
Do you have a do you have a month or date for when the album will be released?
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.200
Uh no, not at all.
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:36.079
Not yet.
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:36.799
Okay, gotcha.
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:37.039
Okay.
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.559
Who who would you want to go out and tour with?
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.680
Like, who would be the ideal tour package for you guys?
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.279
You know, it's hard to say.
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.599
For what I mean, for he his idea might be different than mine.
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.440
Sorry, sorry, do you what would be your ideal tour?
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.440
Who would you want to go out on the road with?
00:26:55.680 --> 00:27:04.640
Um, I don't have like any specific name, but I would love to tour with some band that is not playing, is playing like something completely different than us, of course, metal.
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:05.200
Cool.
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:12.160
Uh, but like Payne, it could be, or well, like Corvikline might be, but uh not like grass metal band.
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:13.599
Uh, we want to be something different.
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:18.240
We want to look different, we want to sound different because nobody wants to hear like four crass bands in a day.
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.480
Uh you want to have some different bands.
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:21.039
Nice.
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.160
Uh so yes, some like medical size band.
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:28.160
Uh that would be like my go-to choice for this.
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:48.400
I would love to tour with death metal bands or other thrash metal bands, but you know, again, like I keep talking about, I mean it's a it's a weird thing because right now it just seems people are kind of tired of the same old, same old.
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:54.400
Every touring cycle is just the same bands, every festival cycle, it's the same bands.
00:27:54.720 --> 00:28:00.160
So young and up-and-coming bands are kind of like caught between a rock and a hard place.
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:05.200
They don't really have any other young and up-and-coming bands like them to tour with, right?
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:11.519
And the established bands aren't really taking them out because they're unknown and they're not bringing anyone in.
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:19.039
So it's almost like a lose-lose situation for young up-and-coming bands, new bands right now.
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:20.880
I can see you guys opening for testament.
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:22.400
That'd be a cool, that'd be a cool package.
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:23.440
That would be like awesome.
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:24.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:25.759
That would be cool.
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:37.920
I would like to tour with anyone that has an audience and would like to take us out because as a front man, I like to believe that I could win over any audience if you put us in front of.
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.200
So that's why he said that.
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.599
So I do have one frontman question for you.
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:48.559
Um, the makeup is that coming from I'm guessing Kissing King Diamond, or where's that?
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.079
Where is that inspiration?
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:53.279
No, because I saw or am I completely off base on that?
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:55.920
Yeah, that video is awesome.
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:04.240
The makeup I did just for fun when we were doing a tornado video for the song Black President, right?
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.680
Oh, I saw that video, but you did that for just for that video that came out of there?
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:08.720
Yeah, just for that video.
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:09.440
That was it.
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:13.440
It was gonna be a one, it was gonna be a one-time thing, and then whatever.
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:17.839
And then the other guys in the band, they really loved it, and then my friends were writing me.
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:18.720
Oh man, that's cool.
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:20.559
And I thought, okay, maybe I'll keep it.
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:24.400
And that's how it's how the makeup happened.
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:31.359
Well, I was well, I was trying to, I was wondering if you were channeling Gene Simmons on that or King Diamond or the baby.
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.759
It seemed to be like the baby of both.
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.839
Well, yes, yes, it's some, yes, it's somewhat, you know, it's a it's a bit.
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:43.200
I mean, my my makeup, the design is a bit Gene Simmons and a bit Haitian voodoo.
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:49.119
I was just gonna say, when I was watching the video, I almost felt like it was a little bit of Mardi Gras in there.
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:50.319
Yeah, that's right.
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:51.359
Yeah, right on.
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:51.920
Very cool.
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.200
What so okay?
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.359
Speaking of influences, where do you where does the band pull from musically?
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.480
And now you're uh would you guys classify yourself as a thrash band?
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:05.039
Because that's what it felt like to me, but I don't want to I don't want to pigeonhole you if you have the definition in mind.
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:06.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:12.319
I think that's like our core, but we have like kind of uh many like uh nayance is there.
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:17.759
Uh for me, I'm huge, like uh death core guy, uh metal core death core type of guys.
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.480
Uh but our uh another guitar player, John, he is a huge 80s metal guy.
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:30.880
He basically can play every Madley Cruz song uh note by note and every yeah, he is completely uh 80s thread player.
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.559
Uh he's not like uh on my terms, he's not uh metal player at all.
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.440
He he's not like down bigger chunker uh at all.
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:43.279
Uh so he's bringing lots of 80s wipes, and actually Joey loves those, and of course, everybody loves those.
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.079
So that's why we have like quite a bit of 80s wipes there.
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:52.000
I'm trying to well, I mean, the guitar, the way he plays, his flares, the headband.
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.599
I mean, he's got the whole thing.
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.279
Yeah, absolutely.
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.200
And I'm bringing so uh lots of those down picking.
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:05.039
Uh, if there is you can hear any blast bees on our songs, you know that would be my idea.
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:12.559
Or like any double bass or uh anything that sounds like inflames, that would be always from me.
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:20.000
And of course, Joe is bringing he is uh lots of like old school trash metal uh bands that uh people in my age don't even know.
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.200
Joe has lots of those great influences from there.
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:25.119
So what about your drummer?
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.400
Yeah, uh, where we get our influences.
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.759
So it's uh kind of like uh mix and match.
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:34.720
Yeah, mix and match.
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:36.400
I mean, yeah.
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:42.880
Well, it's it's it sounds like it because I mean it's like uh I was I was thinking about what you guys sound like.
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.599
You guys sound like a thrash band, but not like an old thrash band.
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.279
It's like yeah, it's got this contemporary vibe to it, it's a new sound, yeah.
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:50.960
Yeah, it's got a new sound to it.
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.839
So I mean it it's I think well, Joey.
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.680
Maybe you guys are one of the answers to the question about a new a new band leading the way.
00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.759
I mean, maybe you guys are gonna be one of the trump places now.
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:06.559
It's hard because um because I don't know, I don't know a lot about a new lot of new thrash bands, you know what I mean.
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:14.319
You know, I over the years, and Sean, you might know this, you know, coming from a label and seeing other over the years.
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.519
They've we've had these waves of thrash bands, you know.
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.720
First, there was this, but they don't go anywhere, right?
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:25.599
And in my opinion, the problem is always the same.
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.519
Uh no songs.
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.720
A lot of bands just don't have songs anymore.
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.559
And by songs, I mean it's real catchy, you remember it.
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:43.519
So, look, we grew up with I mean, we're the the Gen X 80s person, uh Melhead was completely spoiled.
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:47.119
You got records that were just killer, absolutely killer.
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:51.839
There were 10 songs on it, all 10 were killer, but definitely eight of them.
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.559
And a couple of things factor into that.
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.160
Number one, recording studios were real expensive.
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:07.039
So when you're paying$250,$300 an hour for recording, you're not going through that door unless you've got your best material.
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:13.440
Now that recording has gone to the bedroom, we've getting 14-15 song albums, maybe one or two of them are good.
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:20.640
Ideas that would have been thrown on the floor are now making it onto records because it doesn't cost anyone anything to record.
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:27.039
The price of recording before this became easy was the gatekeeper.
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:35.279
Now there's no gatekeeper, so everyone with a laptop can record anything, and it's showing we're not getting classic records anymore like we used to.
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.000
Totally, right?
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:36.319
Totally.
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.200
It's quantity over quality, yeah.
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:40.640
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:41.279
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:46.240
There's just too much of well, and then you factor like AI and that bullshit into it, and then that just makes it even worse.
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.920
Yeah, that's not what AI, yeah.
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.720
No, yeah, we already discussed that in a previous episode.
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.279
I almost ended up burning my house down in anger.
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:11.119
What um what what what bands are there out there do you guys think that you're into now that would be uh like the new bands leading, not not the classic bands, but like newer bands.
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.400
Like uh like one of the newer bands I like is uh Gate Creeper.
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:15.840
Right, yeah, I like them.
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.280
So I really like them a lot.
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:23.280
I think they have sort of a classic, like you know, sort of like uh sort of Gothenburg sound to them, but they're a new band.
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:30.880
So and they just you know, so they're one of my they're one of the bands I kind of got into, and then also this one too, actually from your from Finland, Aransi Position.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.440
Yeah, so just I just saw them.
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.000
I just yes, I saw oh, I saw Aaron.
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:36.880
I want to mention to you.
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:37.840
I saw Aaron Lynch.
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.679
So I talked to her, I caught up with her a bit.
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:41.679
Yeah, so she's on tour with them.
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:43.920
So what so what bands are you guys into?
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:51.039
As far as newer bands, um, the one thing I have to say, you know, thrash metal is what I listen to the most.
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.159
After thrash metal, I listened to Glam and then 80s pop.
00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:07.280
So those are the my butt interesting death metal throughout the entire 20-15 years, they have it's been the most consistent genre, even among the new bands.
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:25.199
The the death metal new bands, they really understand the assignment, and the assignment is write a good song, and that's why I think we've seen um the death metal genre stay consistent, whereas thrash, you know, you've got one or two bands they go, yeah, and then it comes right back down.
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:31.760
The death metal bands they stay consistent because the songwriting is they're not trying to invent the wheel, right?
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:36.239
They're just writing good, catchy death metal, and it shows.
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:41.519
Um, I don't think a lot of the other genres are stepping up to the plate.
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:46.079
The bands are writing really songs that people remember.
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.960
I mean, at the end of the day, we're making music, and if people can't remember it, they can't remember you.
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.800
And I think a lot of that is happening.
00:35:52.960 --> 00:36:00.559
Well, everything is I was just I was gonna ask you what you thought of power trip because I I think they're great.
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:08.400
Um, I don't listen to any new thrash bands whatsoever.
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:09.360
None.
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.880
No, I stopped listening.
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.840
Why why what makes you drink what makes you say that?
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.840
None of it is good because what I just said is heard no song.
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.239
Look, here's the thing I'm spoiled.
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.960
Yeah, look, I'm spoiled.
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.719
I grew up on first generation Metallica Slayer.
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:28.719
Yeah, the bar is high, yeah.
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:39.280
And if you're not coming to the plate with your A game, I'm not interested because I grew up watching mothers become legend straight out of the yeah.
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.440
I just want to point out that King Fally is feeling is going like this somewhere.
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:44.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.880
He feels it, he feels it right now from wherever wherever he is right now.
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:55.199
King Fally from deceased type of quality.
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.599
Um, a lot of bands are good.
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:03.679
I'm not taking, but I grew up with great, yeah.
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.519
Good is not good enough for me, might be good enough for other people.
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.760
I mean great because I grew up with greatness.
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.119
I grew up with levies.
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:15.760
I mean how about how about you about terrier any bands you're into now?
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:17.599
Yeah, quite a bit.
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:21.840
Uh, even though uh I'm one of those uh picking one song here, picking one song there.
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:28.480
Uh but like uh I've been listening to a lot of Fit for an Autopsy, so yeah.
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.199
So uh so brutal everything.
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:32.960
Saw them a few times live.
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.119
Then also Silosis, Revocation, uh those type of band.
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:38.559
Revocation.
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:40.719
Yeah, Pete Davidson.
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:43.760
Did you say did you say Solosis?
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:44.480
Yep.
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:52.159
I just saw them open for I just yeah, I just saw them on tour with uh uh um um uh bleed from within.
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:53.199
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.079
Holy shit, those are great players.
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.119
Yeah, that I couldn't believe that drummer that he played in both bands.
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.639
He played in both Solosis and then he played from Believer from Within.
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.880
I couldn't believe he did both sets back to back and he did a solo in them in the middle of it, too.
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.079
I couldn't believe it's so good.
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:11.039
It's like, oh my god.
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:15.840
You know, a traditional metal band, a new band that I'm really digging, win Wings of Steel.
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:16.480
Have you heard of them?
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:17.519
Wings of Steel?
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:18.079
I've heard of them.
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.960
I really heard I heard the name, but I haven't looked them up yet.
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.519
And then also a band called Riot City.
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.119
There's some really good traditional heavy metal bands out there.
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:32.320
If you dig, people are just not giving them the time of day, which is too bad.
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.079
I think Jimmy uh we were we just talked to Jimmy Mitchell not so long ago, too.
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:37.119
Do you remember Jimmy?
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.400
You talk to Jimmy Mitchell?
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:39.920
Yes, yes, yeah.
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.960
Okay, he mentioned I think he mentioned Wings of Steel too, so I gotta look them up.
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.599
Yeah, they're really they're a really good young up-and-coming band.
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:46.719
I think you dig them.
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.599
They kind of remind me of like a very young Iron Maiden.
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:50.559
Cool.
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:52.880
Really good songs, really good playing.
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.199
Anybody else in Finland we should be checking out that that you know of?
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:03.599
That maybe that maybe that maybe could use a little attention because you know, a lot of people that don't hear about bands there.
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:10.239
There is one uh band that's is racing, uh called Gladrid Hourglass.
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.440
Yeah, if you like like metal core type of stuff, then that's that's quite good band.
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:22.639
Then there is one band, uh there is actually two female vocalists, and they are singing in uh Finnish uh called Ikina.
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:32.880
Uh uh so uh maybe it's better to write that uh down for you, but uh I K it goes too hard.
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:35.519
We'll look it up.
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.599
We'll look it up in a moment.
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:38.400
Okay.
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.679
Oh so we can't see here anything, but yeah.
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:53.360
Uh anyway, uh there is like I think lots of great uh like uh local level bands here in Finland, but they are not able to pop out like in a few years, uh especially on like international level.
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.159
That's like a one for Finishine quite a bit.
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:58.320
Yeah, we're so far away from everyone.
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.280
Yeah, was a is Amorphous like the Metallica there?
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:11.840
One of the biggest bands, but let's say uh I love that band, it's a great band, but it's one of those uh you see that band on every Finnish summer festival as headliner.
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:17.840
And since you if you go into five festivals and there is the same band headlining every festival, that's getting quite boring.
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.440
Yeah so so you you know it's like your stock band.
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:34.079
Um I I was gonna ask uh in listening to your different songs, I came across hot stuff, the cover.
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:39.280
Right, yeah, and and I was gonna ask the question whose idea was that?
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.599
But you know, after hearing you guys speak, uh yeah, yeah.
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:48.800
I think I know who came up with the idea, but what I was you know, I write notes about the stuff I listen to.
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.800
This is the main note for that song.
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.039
I have whose idea was this?
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:59.599
Somebody secretly loves disco, and this guitar tone is fried up harder than shrimp toast.
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.119
That guitar tone is incredible on that song.
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.719
Yeah, and that's not by the way, that's not a secret that he's into disco.
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:07.599
I know that very well.
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.000
No, there's no secret of that.
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:16.719
Um, when it comes to music, I don't have any yeah, I yeah, it's a great cover.
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:18.159
Thank you.
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:34.000
Yeah, um that came about because I thought if there's gonna be any time to do this, now would be the time to do it where I don't have anyone to tell me no, we don't want to do that.
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.880
Um so I figured, yeah, let me do it.
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.320
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the way that came out, and it's it's something different.
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.360
I mean, even when with the tornado stuff, we've never the cover, we've never done any thrash covers.
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.760
Uh, we did an Ellie Guns cover, which when we did it was crazy for but you know, those are my roots.
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:57.039
I mean, as much as Slayer and Megadeth, Motley Crew, Ellie Guns, Poison.
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.119
Right, right, they're my same roots.
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.920
So I've seen your Donna Summers is excellent.
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:13.119
Well, I've seen your pictures, I've seen your pictures when you're walking around in Finland, and you've got to be confusing the hell out of people there because you're wearing like a Donna Summer headband, but then like a like a uh Dio like shirt or something.
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.760
So what the hell's going on with this guy?
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.079
I think it's confusing people forever.
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.480
And then you're posting Duran Duran pictures on your feed.
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:26.719
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.079
Um, for me, I don't care who writes it or what genre it's from.
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.559
If it's a good song that I like, I like it.
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.360
And yeah, good song is a good song.
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:40.000
Oh, yeah.
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:49.119
And there was a time where people were cranking out just good songs across every genre, and it doesn't happen anymore.
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.199
No, yeah, that was the time when radio was great, right?
00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:03.519
Yep, yeah, everybody rags on broadcast radio, but man, back in the 70s and 80s, broadcast radio had a lot of good hits.
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:12.000
Um, because it used to cost a lot of money to record music, yeah, and now that it doesn't cost money to record music, like we just spoke about.
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.480
Yeah, yeah, we're hearing everything, you know.
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:19.760
Um in the movie making business, they say, oh, that would end up on the cutting room floor.
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:24.800
Yeah, now we're getting a lot of albums filled with stuff that would end up on the cutting room floor.
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.039
20, 30, yes, filler.
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:27.760
So true.
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:28.719
All filler.
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:29.679
Yes.
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.840
Yeah, that's really there's no need for their there's no need for an album to have 15 songs on it.
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.000
I don't care who you are, how much I love you.
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.320
I don't want to hear 15 songs in one sitting.
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.840
How many songs is the band doing for the new album?
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:43.039
Oh, I don't know.
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:44.239
No more than 10.
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:45.039
No more than 10.
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:46.079
Okay, yeah.
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:46.800
Is it written?
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.719
Do you guys have anything written yet, or are you just working on it?
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.880
Oh, yeah, we're in the middle of writing it now.
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:55.440
Yeah, we have about six or seven or like basically ready songs.
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:56.000
Uh yeah.
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:57.920
What's that process like when you're writing?
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.840
Joey, I'm assuming do you do all your own lyrics?
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.280
Do you work collaborate with anybody else?
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.599
Yes, I I do the lyrics and we well, you know, in Tornado I was doing everything.
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:12.400
And that was getting to be a bit of a burden for me because, like I said, my guitar playing is limited, right?
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:12.719
Right.
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:17.119
So with limited guitar playing and one source, the material.
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.719
Luckily, we didn't get to the point where it was starting to sound the same.
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.920
But now he's writing, uh, John is writing.
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.320
Now I'm not the only writer anymore.
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:35.679
And with that, uh with everyone writing, the songs are coming faster, but they're sounding a lot different because his style is so much different than mine.
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.400
He's writing stuff that I would never even think about writing.
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:42.000
And then John How does how does that collaboration go?
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:51.519
Because with your style being more like downpicky and more thrashy, or more uh yeah, more like you know, death metal, versus your other guitar player is more like an 80s kind of glam guy.
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.800
Like, what do you guys ever butt heads on like what you're doing?
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:56.079
Is there any conflict there?
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:57.280
Or how does that work out?
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:03.760
I think we have like uh if somebody has a reef or like song ID up, he will be like the main writer for that.
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:11.199
Okay, but uh after showing up the song, uh just hardboard, uh this talk then then we we are just oh okay.
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:12.719
Yeah, we just yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.599
Yeah, we we are not like so hard headed.
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:22.159
Also, uh if I'm writing song or reef and somebody still, okay, I'm gonna steal that reef.
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.880
Okay, he will take that and we'll continue.
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.320
So yeah, I think we have like we would never had any like flashes.
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.800
We'll be almost always like uh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:33.360
That's great.
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.400
Well, it's one because the blending of styles sometimes, because I work, you know, bro.
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:41.119
I've been in we be William and I live in bands, and you know, writing can be tricky sometimes.
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.519
You know, egos get in the way once in a while.
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:44.880
I know that's happened in my band.
00:45:45.119 --> 00:46:04.320
So but but do you guys always is there ever is there ever stor is there ever an idea that doesn't fit where you're like that doesn't work and then you guys are sure absolutely and we've been doing like changes uh on real source just playing and somebody says ah this doesn't work, then we are changing it, testing something else, or just throwing it to the bin.
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:08.559
So you have you already have the idea of how everything should feel and go with the basics.
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:09.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:10.159
Okay, absolutely.
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.400
Then we are testing out those ideas.
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:17.039
Also, uh me and Sean, we are both uh like producing demo level stuff.
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:23.039
So many times we have been like produced a whole song before we've been even playing those.
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:29.199
So of course that will uh separate lots of uh like bad stuff from uh getting uh in the hotel space.
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.199
So you're already bringing you're probably already bringing a pretty finished idea already.
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:34.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:35.199
Gotcha.
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.920
Yeah, yeah, like 70% uh ready songs.
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.400
Uh even we even start to uh practice those.
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:42.639
Where does your drummer fit into the mix?
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:44.159
He's just drums.
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:48.639
Yeah, he's just drummed players play, they show up and play.
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:54.000
They don't they're not involved in the So the rhythm section just kind of they just kind of like arranged to fit into the music.
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:54.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:55.840
Okay, okay, cool.
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:57.840
Yeah, like um, I'm different.
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:06.559
Like when they when they um John or V, when they have their present their songs, they have like drums and everything there.
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.039
Oh I don't do any of that.
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:10.639
I have just guitars.
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.599
You add in your own, and yeah, I just give them a skeleton of the guitars.
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.440
It could be even a complete song, but it's just guitars only.
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:29.280
Because I don't I've never wanted to get into the habit of adding in drums or this because I don't want to influence anyone in any way, shape, or form.
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:35.920
I want you to put in your flavor, and you I don't want it to come from me as a guide or anyway.
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.000
So I just give them skeletons.
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:45.280
For me, it just works best that way to get the other guys to add in their own uh stamp on the song.
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:45.840
Yep.
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.280
And I think we have like different uh like way of doing that.
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:54.719
Uh me and Sean, we are both doing like uh we are hearing a whole song in our head.
00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.239
So we basically know what type of beat we have, what kind of especially for me and what kind of aggression level I want.
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:06.719
Uh so basically, when I'm proving that uh stuff for a drummer, I'm telling him, do something like this.
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.800
Uh he's able to change everything he wants.
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:10.559
Uh he will do all feels.
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.840
If he thinks something fits better, go ahead, try and show me.
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:14.639
Make better.
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.199
Uh, if if you're gonna pull anything better, go ahead.
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:18.800
That's why we're a drummer.
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:25.519
Uh I guess uh basically program uh like your normal beat and double bass beat and uh blast beat.
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:29.360
So he can do like actual playing drums.
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:29.760
Right.
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:33.679
And same because uh for John, so he's able to pull out uh I want something like this.
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:38.960
I will I want like this sound to flow like this, but our drummer will do uh like actual drumming.
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.599
Yeah, and for our bass player it's quite the same.
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:52.320
Uh he's not that type of bass player who is basically playing only low notes uh from what guitars are playing.
00:48:52.480 --> 00:49:03.280
So he is uh looking up basically notes and everything, guitars are playing this, but then he starts to get drums and he basically starts to play everything that drumplay the drums play with his bass.
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:03.599
Yeah.
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:15.039
So of course there is quite a strict guideline since there are guitars and vocals and drums already, but he will need balance out there uh what bass needs to do with guitars and what bass needs to be with drums.
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.280
He'll play more percussively than within the cool.
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:21.039
William, got anything else?
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:27.039
Um I I was doing a little outside reading about Finland before we got started here.
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:31.360
Um is it possible to visit Tuanela?
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:35.519
I don't know, I've I'm saying it right, the land of the dead, and how much is it taking?
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.079
That was a rhetorical question.
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:44.719
How's it going?
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:45.440
That's it going.
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.079
Yeah.
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.400
Well, usually if you have enough money, you can get everything what you want.
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.280
All right, on a more serious note, there's a serious question here.
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.400
Do people in Finland really eat sunstrawming?
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.119
And can anyone in the band eat it without vomiting?
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:06.559
What is it?
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.960
No, people in Finland are not eating.
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:10.800
That's uh what is it?
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:17.199
That's basically uh rotten like macarilla in Norway, right?
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:17.760
Sweden.
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:19.679
Yeah, that's Swedish delicacy.
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:30.960
Uh right, uh yeah, that that's basically uh starts rotten and then they are uh canning it, yeah, and it will be rotten uh in a can like one year.
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:31.199
Yeah.
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.840
Uh to be honest, I don't think any of us would be able to eat it.
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.079
Uh especially if you are eating like our YouTube videos when people are opening it.
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.679
I've been smelling that once, and once I smelled that, I was okay.
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.760
No, no, I can't even try it.
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:49.599
That's in Sweden.
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.440
That's that's in Sweden they do that?
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:54.159
Yep.
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.679
Maybe that maybe that maybe that's what influences all the Swedish singers.
00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:58.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.880
That's where the grolling comes.
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.679
Maybe that's Jens from a sugar whole secret.
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:10.800
That's his whole secret.
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:11.679
Yep.
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.400
He's been eating brown fish the whole time.
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:15.360
Yep.
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:18.320
So cool.
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:19.360
Anything else, William?
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:20.480
No, good.
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:20.960
All right.
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:22.719
I think that's about it, you guys.
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.559
Uh, thanks a lot for sitting down with us.
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:32.159
We really appreciate like the time and you know, I know it's I know it's uh I know it's uh uh eight, you're like you're eight hours ahead of us, or however many hours.
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:41.679
Um the new album is gonna be called by order of the prophet, and we will should be recording starting November uh eighth of this.
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:42.480
Excellent.
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.199
Oh day before my birthday.
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:45.599
Awesome.
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:46.559
Okay, yep.
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:47.599
Sounds cool.
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:47.840
Cool.
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:49.280
Thanks a lot, guys.
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:49.760
Thank you.
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:51.679
Have a great evening.
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:52.400
Thanks for coming.
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:53.039
Yep.
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.079
So uh that was the interview with Osiris Rex.
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.079
Uh look for more information from them.
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.400
Uh you get heard uh new album coming up later this year, so check them out.
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:45.519
Make sure you support them.
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.239
The super cool first class guys.
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:49.519
Right.
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:52.880
It was enjoyable to to spend that time.
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:54.159
Very easy to talk to.
00:55:54.559 --> 00:56:00.480
Yeah, I mean, just and and you know, he brings up a good point about um the fans need to show up.
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.119
You know, they gotta show up.
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.599
We can't if we can't if if they don't, this dies.
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.719
You know, that's because this this all hinges on our support of them if they want to keep going.
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.119
Because I mean you and I both have been in bands, yeah.
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:24.960
We know how hard that is as far as like paying for recordings and getting an album out and booking shows and trying to make trying to make much less trying to make a living doing it.
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:27.760
So, you know, so that that's hard enough.
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.719
I mean, even for like just a a a mid-band or some bands just hobbyist band, it's hard.
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.239
It's hard work, it's a lot of work.
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.880
You spend hours rehearsing, you do it because you love it.
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.119
Um that's the only reason to do it.
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.599
And you know, if you're in it for the money and the fame, you're gonna be wildly disappointed.
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:48.880
So it's something that you get to really love doing this, but it's a hell of a hard a lot of hard work.
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:50.400
So I hope people show up for it.
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.679
And now the odds are against people more than they've ever been.
00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:05.440
More so the economics of that ecosystem have been getting stretched tighter and tighter as each decade has passed to where now it's all about streaming.
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:06.880
Well, NAI.
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:07.679
NAI is just a little bit more.
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:09.280
And now the AI is starting to creep in.
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:11.199
Yeah, AI is really killing that too, yeah.
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:16.800
You know, but like it's it's there's a huge difference if you just like like like you said, like a hobby band.
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:20.639
You're just you know, it it's not hard to be in a hobby band.
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:26.719
You just book a few shows at a few local venues, you know, and uh hopefully you make a few bucks.
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:57.920
But when you decide you want to take it to the next level and you want to start going to other areas of the country, and you're talking about record distribution and making a a record, uh now you're talking about tremendous amounts of money, even now that they've kind of democratized the whole recording process with home recording, it's still like the money that you save by doing that and producing your own record is completely wiped out when you start going on the road buying merch.
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:04.079
Uh and and now look at the you know, uh the gas prices now are completely out of control.
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.159
Five bucks, five and a half bucks a gallon.
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:13.199
Yep, you're not gonna you're not gonna be driving to Chicago from the East Coast to play a show with gas like that.
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.199
Well, and uh there were already bans saying that they couldn't tour before that was happening.
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.960
Before it was it, yeah, before that was even even before the gas thing happened.
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:26.639
Yeah, that was already they were already saying we can't do this like national tour thing, we could do regional tours, right?
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:30.639
Because that way they can drive a few hours and go home the same night.
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.960
So they don't have to worry about staying somewhere or you know, renting a bus or stuff like that.
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.719
So because now I can't even imagine what the tour cost was.
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:41.039
I used to book help help arrange those tours.
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.480
Like for I used to be one of the guys that figured out what the bus costs and all that stuff, yeah.
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:52.320
And I can't and we would calculate fuel costs, and that was part of the tour, you know, economy the uh tour budget, you know, that we had to come up with the budget, yeah.
00:58:52.480 --> 00:59:02.159
So yeah, yeah, because I was one of the people figuring all that out, and uh gas was something we factored in now, gas for a bus or diesel for a bus, that's insane.
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:04.239
Yeah, six and a half, seven bucks a gallon.
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:06.480
Oh my god, I just spent it's not sustainable.
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:14.000
Yeah, in Oregon, I spent like it would be 60, it's like 65 bucks to fill the tank for for an SUV, uh for a hybrid SUV.
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:14.960
That's right.
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.280
So but you imagine a tour bus.
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:18.480
So holy shit.
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.519
I mean, I and that's one out of how many costs?
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:35.440
Like look at all the venues that have closed because they can't pay their bills because people are not enough people are coming to the shows because of the domino effect of those people can't afford to buy the ticket and pay the gas.
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.840
Yeah, and that has the knock-on effect of oh, now I gotta close my venue.
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.320
Yeah, and then people say, Well, there's no place to play anymore.
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.199
Because well, because there's no yeah, venues can fucking closing.
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:45.840
Yeah, God.
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:46.800
Yeah, totally.
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.119
So, all right, well, we got off on that tangent a little bit.
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:49.760
Yeah, all right.
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.559
So, anyway, let's go to music news.
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.360
Uh, we'll talk about let's talk music news.
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.079
You're the sound from now on.
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:15.599
All right, so I saw that uh Sepultura's Derek Green is playing his new band after Sepultura's farewell tour.
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:17.840
That's kind of a big that's kind of a big deal.
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:19.760
It's huge.
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:27.840
Um you're talking about the farewell of a of a band that's been around for decades and now he's p doing a pivot, basically.
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:28.559
Yeah.
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.159
Um more power to him.
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:33.519
He's he's uh he's pretty impressive as a frontman.
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:34.480
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:43.119
So I just thought it was an interesting uh it's sad to see Suppultura kind of hanging up, but then you know it makes sense that he's he would keep going, so it's cool that that's kind of happening.
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.239
Um I had a buddy of mine that just saw them.
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:47.199
Oh, how were they?
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:47.760
Did he say that?
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:48.559
Last week.
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:55.360
Uh he even sent me a little bit of video and uh it was it was actually impressive.
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:04.159
He said, um let's see, uh I saw Sepulter the other night with their new drummer, a Jersey boy.
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.719
He's injected new life into them.
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:11.760
Um exodus open and Gary Holt still kills it.
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:13.280
Nice, cool.
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:14.960
Oh, that would be a good package.
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:16.000
Exodus and Sepulchre.
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:16.480
Oh, yeah.
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:18.800
Wow, that's right.
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:20.320
They saw him in Nashville.
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.440
Oh wow, that would be a cool place to see that show.
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:23.840
Damn.
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:30.480
Um is releasing All Gates Open, which is a soundtrack.
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:32.800
Uh that's part of this documentary they're doing.
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:36.559
Uh it's about how they how they kind of create music, which I really want to see this thing.
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:37.360
Sure, yeah.
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.639
So that's gonna be pretty freaking awesome.
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:42.079
So I gotta check that out.
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:43.599
Have you have you checked that out at all?
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:44.320
I haven't.
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.239
I haven't, but I definitely will.
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:46.719
Yeah.
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.880
I very much enjoyed what we uh when we reviewed them.
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:52.400
Oh so freaking good.
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:54.719
Yeah, I wanna I'm I'm really curious about how they make music.
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.440
They really look like consummate musician kind of guys.
01:01:57.679 --> 01:01:57.920
Yeah.
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:00.239
Where they're really, you know, honed on that craft.
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:04.400
So, you know, hoping hopefully they're one of the new Iron Maidens of our era.
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:06.400
Hopefully that'll kind of lead the way.
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:07.039
Yeah.
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:09.360
They have the it's the potential is there.
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:10.480
Yeah, I think so.
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:15.119
Uh Cole Chamber drummer Mikey Cox has revealed he has cancer.
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:18.400
Yeah, I that was news to me.
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:19.119
That sucks.
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:19.760
Yeah.
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:22.480
How far along is it?
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:23.360
I don't know.
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.840
It didn't say I'd have to take a look at that.
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.400
So I don't know if he really talked about how far it is.
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:35.760
So hopefully he uh gets the treatment that he needs and can make a recovery.
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:45.760
Well, that interview with Joey is hitting me really hard right now because everything I'm going over here in the news, or not everything, but a lot of it's to the points that we were we just went over in the interview.
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:46.480
Oh, yeah.
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.440
When you think about it, he's talking about all the bands, how they're getting older.
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:53.920
We don't have a lot of new bands that are the new Trailblazers.
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:55.599
And I mean, I'm kind of searching for that.
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:57.440
I'm like, you know, I'm not seeing a lot of that.
01:02:57.519 --> 01:02:57.920
He's right.
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.480
Yeah, blood incantation seems to be one of them.
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.159
Maybe Derek Green will do something here.
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.159
But it's just like these he's right.
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:09.280
There's a it's like I'm not reading a lot of hey, there's this new crazy band that's taking over the scene or whatever.
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:17.599
Well, that's why I mentioned Power Trip too, because to me they were perfectly poised to become huge.
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:23.440
There's another band called Castle Rat that's kind of like has that same sort of buzz about them a little bit too.
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:24.000
Yeah.
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:25.280
So yeah, look them up.
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.559
They've got an interesting, there's a sort of a yeah, Castle Rat.
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:29.920
Take a look.
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:33.840
They've got a they also uh uh they also have a lot of uh an online presence.
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:35.920
I'm sorry, on stage presence.
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:37.360
So you'll see.
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.519
Yeah, they do some stuff, so yeah, they're interesting.
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:45.199
Um Slayer have announced, speaking of one of the classic leaders of our time, right?
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:51.679
Uh have announced several special shows playing Rain and Blood in its entirety for the 40th anniversary.
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:52.559
Wow.
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.760
What a what a rec a record.
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.559
I mean, it's it's part of the foundation of our house.
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:01.760
Yeah, big time.
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:04.000
100%, yeah.
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.440
And to see that play in its entirety would be pretty freaking awesome.
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:09.760
Uh what is it?
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.119
Like a 30, it's 36, 33, 36 minutes.
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:14.159
Something like that.
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:15.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:16.159
Something like that.
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.960
Like real short, but it's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:20.000
I fucking love that right.
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:22.239
Yeah, just blant just right in your face.
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:23.599
Are you gonna go see them?
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:25.679
If it stops nearby, I will.
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.599
Yeah, I think I'll go see that one too.
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:36.079
Um, yeah, that's like you said, that's one of the foundational things that there that's like you know, everybody everybody goes back to man, it's one of the albums, for sure.
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:36.480
Yep.
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:42.400
Yeah, so I used to walk across campus when I was in college listening to headphones.
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.519
Uh, because I didn't like, you know, I wasn't into like talking to people.
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:46.800
I was just I'm away.
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:50.079
And man, that was a fucking cassette tape that I used to jam going to class a lot.
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:54.800
Well, that's also one of the albums you learn when you're coming up and playing in your own band.
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:56.880
We we were playing songs from Rain and Blood.
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:57.280
Uh-huh.
01:04:57.679 --> 01:04:58.559
Some of the bands I was in.
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:02.800
So I mean, we were, you know, so there's so you you learn those riffs.
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:12.800
Like it's part of the it's part of that you part of thinking, like tell me as part of a musician musician coming up, you challenge yourself to see if you can play something like that.
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:13.440
Yep.
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:14.480
Right?
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:20.480
You push yourself and you just think, how badass would it be if I could pull that off?
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:21.119
Totally.
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:21.440
Yeah.
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.079
And if I can pull that off, then I could start writing my own shit that's badass too.
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:26.960
Yeah, exactly.
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:28.880
So I guess if I could play that.
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:31.039
So, which is extremely hard to play.
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:37.119
Oh, I mean, the fucking riffs in piece by piece, I mean, uh you have to pull up a video.
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:37.599
Yeah.
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:39.760
I I can't figure that out by year.
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:41.679
Piece by piece.
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:51.199
So um the new At the Gates album, uh, the ghost of things that just debuted at number one when it came out.
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:52.000
So that was cool to hear.
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:58.639
Well, I I'm sure it had a lot to do with his the Thomas Lindbergh's passing, because that had a lot of that had a big story, yeah.
01:05:58.960 --> 01:05:59.199
Yeah.
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:02.719
So um But that was cool to hear that they came out of number one when they came out.
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:03.519
So that was cool.
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:04.639
That's impressive.
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:05.119
Yeah.
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:05.440
Yeah.
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:10.400
Well, I mean, to have an album of that extreme nature be that high chart like that.
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:10.639
Yeah.
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:14.239
That's like a a light in the darkness of what we've just discussed.
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:19.199
Yeah, but it also reflects a lot on what their scene is like versus what our scene is like.
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:19.679
True.
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:27.039
I mean, where our scene is so commercial and shit like that, and just so it's about influencers and whatever, a lot of social media bullshit.
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:42.639
Where they're like that was one of the things when I started working at relapse that I learned about was the how Europe sees how they regard music, how they kind of how they listen to it, what they what they are influenced by, what they like, and things like that.
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:43.760
So different.
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:48.159
They could give a shit less about trends and that kind of thing.
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:49.440
They don't give a shit about that.
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:53.119
All they care about is what they like and what they think is good.
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:59.360
So it was never about like jumping on bandwagons and their charts are whole are very different.
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:17.599
And so that's why it doesn't surprise me that they would have debuted at number one, where like something that extreme here, there's no way that would have been like Metallica, sure, but I mean nothing like uh, you know, we're not gonna hear like uh, you know, uh uh something like um uh you know cannibal corpse is not gonna debut at number one here.
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.199
Or testament, even or testament, yeah, or somebody like that, right?
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:23.519
Yeah, I mean they just came out with new music, right?
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:28.079
So did answer and that's not anywhere close to that level of distinction, right?
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:29.119
Oh hard parts?
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:30.000
Yeah, 100%.
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:32.079
Yeah, but that's and it's good.
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:33.360
That is good, I know.
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:41.039
I will that's one thing that really broke my brain when I when I started listening to that uh getting in touch with that scene, and it really broadened my horizons a lot.
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:42.480
Just you know, that's really amazing.
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:46.880
Uh all right, and then finally, uh, and I just wrote this down too.
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.440
Did you see the new single and music video, Speaking of Whitch?
01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:51.440
For anthrax, it's for the kids.
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:57.840
Uh uh no, I didn't see the video, but I heard a uh sound clip of it and it fucking rules.
01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:59.119
It sounds like anthrax.
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:00.159
Yeah, it does.
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:06.480
I know there's people well, of course, there's already people shitting on it and saying how Mother's develops it sucks, blah blah blah blah blah.
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:07.519
I don't know, whatever.
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:08.880
I just there's I don't know.
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.760
I think people shit on things just because it's new sometimes.
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.679
Of course, just like maybe just listen to it.
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:15.760
Of course, you know, maybe just I don't know, whatever.
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:19.520
If it's not useful, I respect for that, but I mean, come on, really.
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:31.119
There's always gonna be that in any kind of industry, there's always gonna be people who just are uh contrarian just for the purpose of being that way, because they I don't know.
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:38.800
I think a lot of people feel like there's a you know, an element of distinction in being, you know, like, well, I had that record back in the day.
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.319
You know, if it's not spaceful or metal, it's nothing, it's not metal anymore, right?
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:45.439
You know, that kind of yeah, yeah.
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:47.760
I mean, it's not the first album, then they can't listen to it.
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:48.479
It's like, yeah, okay.
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:52.960
Yeah, so hey man, each to their own, but at the same time, each to their own, definitely.
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:54.479
But at least give it a shot and listen.
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:57.840
I thought I watched the video, I thought the song was good, I liked it.
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:03.439
I'm so shocked, even to this day, that uh that Bella Donald would join them as a vocalist.
01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:05.680
Yeah, that's incredible.
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:06.560
Yeah.
01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:08.800
So good good for them.
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:10.880
He sounds good, he sounds good, yeah.
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:16.079
Yep, and they were on that Ozzy show that uh the Ozzy concert last summer.
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:17.039
Yeah, that's right.
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:19.119
Yeah, he can pretty hard.
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:20.399
He can really sing.
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:22.079
I mean, he can really belt it out.
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:28.640
Like I I saw him do sparse star spangled banger for a baseball game, and I was like, damn, dude, he can he can belt it out.
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:29.680
He can he's legit.
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:33.680
He can really Yeah, he hasn't lost very much of his swagger with that.
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:35.039
So he's not like Vince Neal.
01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:36.479
I went like his.
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:43.439
It's like, no, he can really he's still holding up, so I thought he's sound good, but I thought it was well anyway.
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:44.560
That's just me though.
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:46.880
Hey, you know, I might taste, that's it.
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:49.359
Anything else on the news?
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.600
No, nothing that I've seen much of lately.
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:57.920
The news right now is dominated by all kinds of distractions.
01:09:58.239 --> 01:09:59.760
Yes, let's not talk about that news.
01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:00.640
Yeah, all right.
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:05.920
So that means it's time for us to move on to our album review of the episode.
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.439
Which is uh in this case, pharmacist.
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:24.319
Dude, pharmacist.
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.000
What did you think of pharmacist?
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:33.039
That shit was so raw and nasty and dirty, fucking filthy.
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:36.560
I had a circle pit going on down here last night.
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:37.520
You what?
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.479
I had a fucking circle pit going last night down here.
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:42.479
Are you kidding?
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:46.800
And it was just me, man, and the rules of the fucking mosh pit still apply.
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.680
If there's only one person in it, if you fall down, pick yourself back up.
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:50.880
Nice, nice, nice.
01:10:51.119 --> 01:11:01.920
But yeah, man, they're tight as hell, and just it's so groovy, and it just it's like extracting the very best elements of carcass and retooling them to this.
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:03.600
Yes, I was getting carcass vibes.
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.760
Ocean liner of death.
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:06.720
It's badass.
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:09.359
Ocean liner of death.
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:12.159
Hold on, let me get out my notes.
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:17.520
Yes, the album is Vertebrae After Vertebrae from Hell's Head Bangers Records.
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.439
Uh, so just released this past May.
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:25.439
Uh, yeah, so pharmacist uh formed in night 2020.
01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:27.920
Yeah, so recent, more of a recent band.
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:33.039
Um, they look like they've been yeah, conglomeration from other bands here that kind of formed together.
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:38.560
Um, but yeah, man, I thought this was like my first two words are pure brutality, yeah.
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:49.119
And then I wrote down guttural vocals regurgitated from the bowels of hell, machine precision drum blasts, yeah.
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:54.800
Uh in your face guitar wrists with occasional grooves, right?
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:55.680
A little bit.
01:11:55.840 --> 01:12:00.239
Um same thing, reminds me of early carcass and general surgery.
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:06.159
I don't know them, but they kind of kind of uh they got kind of real like low guttural vocal, you know?
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:06.960
Most definitely.
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:08.319
So with the blast beat in the back.
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:12.000
So yeah, they so general surgery vibes, along with a little more, a little more mortician.
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:24.960
Yeah, not as like down tuney, but like right, but that sort of uh some of the I thought some of the good some of the riffs maybe in some of his vocals, little it brings the same vibe, yeah.
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:32.720
A little bit, you know, a little bit, but but not not like ripping off or anything, but just like it sounded remind me of that a little bit.
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:39.760
Um, and also, of course, thematically with the songs, like uh vertebrae after vertebrae, mimicking the organics.
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:45.920
They always write these, these bands get in these like territories of writing song lyrics or uh and titles that I can't pronounce anymore.
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:46.880
I've just can't pronounce it.
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:52.319
Yeah, I've got to break out of like a medical dictionary and then look at the phonetic, the phonetic how to pronounce it kind of thing.
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:58.159
So, but I I really like the vocal combos in that one, in that song in particular.
01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:01.439
Uh the mimic mimic green, the organics.
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:03.039
So that song.
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:14.000
Uh, because there was a lot of like it wasn't a clean vocal, but it was like uh it was a different, it was like a horror vocal woven in there with like the more of the bassy vocal.
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.960
You know, there was a lot of dirt to the vocal, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:17.359
Yeah, yeah.
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.640
But it wasn't just straight up ground, right?
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:23.199
It was something in between, something like that.
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:26.399
So like a clean but dirty kind of vibe there.
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:28.560
Um, but yeah, no, I really like that, man.
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:30.960
But this is their third record.
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:31.520
Is it?
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:32.159
I didn't know that.
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:34.159
Oh, that's yeah, oh, Renon.
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:34.640
Cool.
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.720
And uh it's just these two dudes.
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:37.920
Oh, is it two guys?
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:38.319
That's it.
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:39.039
It's two dudes.
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:42.800
It's damn guy, he calls himself pharmacist.
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:43.680
Oh, okay.
01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:46.960
Does guitars, bass, and vocals, okay?
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:49.920
And then there's a drummer, his name is Therapeutist.
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:51.279
That's brilliant.
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:55.920
Yeah, and uh they really bring the noise, man.
01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:04.960
Fucking the songs off of this thing that are streaming now, propelling inwards, Olympic levels of tightness.
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:08.000
Look at this shit, a groovy doom riff.
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:08.720
Right on.
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:09.119
Oh, yeah.
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:10.640
So you can heard the groom in there too.
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:14.880
Okay, then you have Lazure, Lazure, Spectalation.
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:16.319
See, that's what I mean.
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:18.800
I can't, I wasn't even gonna take a crack at these.
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.439
Uh, you are a much brave, you're a much braver man than I.
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:23.279
Uh keep going, keep going.
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:27.600
Uh the tightest of all thrash intro riffs on this song.
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.920
Yeah, thick double-time riff, that's a jam, brother.
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:34.800
And there's a lot of pharmacist stuff out there.
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:40.159
This was just the two newest tracks that are gonna, you know, that are on this vertebrae after vertebrae.
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:50.079
But they're uh all of a sudden it, you know, it led into the automatically the next song from Pharmacist, which is a song called Necromorph, which is one of their older tunes.
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:50.399
Okay.
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:57.199
Oh when I tell you that this this is where I was fucking doing the two-step down here in the basement.
01:14:58.319 --> 01:14:58.880
Again, listen to that.
01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:00.000
I didn't hear this part.
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:02.079
Absolutely perfect gore grind.
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:08.960
What a massive opening main fucking riff, impeccably competent guitar solo.
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:12.319
Check out this trippy ass solo.
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.479
It's really and like there's a break towards the end of it.
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.600
It's a very interesting song where it just totally like goes off in this different melodic direction.
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:23.840
And it's just called I love it.
01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:25.279
It's called Necromorph.
01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:26.159
Necromorph.
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:26.880
Necromorph.
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:27.520
Okay, that's right.
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:28.560
Yeah, yeah.
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:29.600
Great, great tune.
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:35.920
And that these guys really I mean, if they play anywhere around here locally, uh, I'll have to check that out.
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:37.920
But they're based out of Japan.
01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:39.359
Oh, get out!
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:42.399
I didn't know that Japanese band, no way.
01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:44.560
I never would have pegged that.
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:45.600
Oh, yeah, look at that.
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:46.560
In Tokyo, I'll be damned.
01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:47.840
I did not, I didn't look at that.
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:52.159
Yeah, because I only kind of looked at the first intro uh bio part, I didn't read it the whole way through.
01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:53.199
Oh wow, look at that.
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:54.000
They are in Tokyo.
01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:54.800
How did I miss that?
01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:56.159
Or I didn't realize they're from there.
01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:57.600
Oh, that's really cool.
01:15:57.920 --> 01:15:59.119
Wow, that's awesome.
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:00.079
Yeah, I don't know.
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:01.600
I thought it was I thought it was really tight.
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:09.199
I thought the um the underground definitely had a the it had an underground production quality, but not in a way that was bad.
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:13.520
It just like it gave it just a feel, but it was really good production.
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:17.119
I thought it was very tight, and uh the word dense came up for me.
01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:21.199
Yes, so I just dense but still clear, yes, exactly.
01:16:21.279 --> 01:16:25.840
No, not dense in a bad way, dense in like a heavy, like heavy, good dense way, right?
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:31.199
Yeah, if you listen to like the first uh two carcass recordings, right?
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:39.840
Symphonies of sickness and um uh Reek, Reek Future for Action, uh those are dense recordings that are kind of hard to, you know.
01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.640
Of course, the classics, but yeah, it's difficult to listen to.
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:49.439
Well, the production was not as this is like better with better equipment now and better 30 years of technology.
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.279
Yeah, so they so they managed to make the clarity there without the muddiness.
01:16:53.600 --> 01:17:02.159
Which made me think imagine if Carcass re-recorded Greek with these recording techniques, or re or at least re-engineered it.
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:05.439
Yeah, oh yeah, oh I know.
01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:09.600
They should do some remastering and some re-releases with that stuff, they really should.
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:12.079
Well, kudos to them.
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:17.920
Um, I'm happy to see you know, Hell's Headbangers is putting this stuff out and supporting them.
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:25.760
The a tremendous label with just a very deep catalog, yeah, that they're adding these folks to.
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:26.479
So, yeah.
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:38.000
Yeah, and I want to point out that uh William and I struggled there for a minute because we had to pick from a number of different albums that we wanted to review because we'd love to review every one of them, but we can't, just in the interest of making it fair for everybody else, too.
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:42.319
But uh, but uh we do try to pick, you know, we want to support these labels as much as we can.
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:46.640
So this was a difficult pick because there's a number of bands that were like, ah, I like this band, I like this.
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:48.000
We like Desolus, and we like it.
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:49.039
Yeah, none of them were bad.
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:50.239
So, no, we like all these bands.
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:52.880
So, we're gonna try to fit in as many you know reviews as we can.
01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:54.319
We just want to make it fair to everybody.
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:55.600
But but yeah, this is really good.
01:17:55.760 --> 01:18:00.560
Hell's Headbangers uh label, check them out, check out their whole stable of artists, really.
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:02.720
And of course, definitely check out Pharmacist.
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:07.680
So Vertebrae After Vertebrae, the most recent released third album from this band.
01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:08.640
So check them out.
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:09.840
Anything else to add?
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:11.039
That's it, bro.
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:12.880
All right, moving on.
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:18.479
So that means it's time for the mystery band, and it's your turn.
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:57.039
So taking us back to 1993, and I I'm sure you probably know who this is, but uh we're going back to uh a collaboration between two of the biggest um extreme metal bands that were out at the time, obituary and napalm death.
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:03.359
And I say extreme metal because I almost said death metal, and then I don't want to get into the whole thing, well, napalm is not death metal.
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:09.119
I understand that, but but this, you know, these these guys were are are very tight.
01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:14.319
I'm gonna I'm gonna type in the name in the chat to see if I'm gonna guess ahead of time.
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:16.880
I want to see if I get it right.
01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:23.840
I'm just gonna because I want public record of it in the chat to see if I can but I'm just gonna type this in.
01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:27.279
I and but I don't want to steal your thunder.
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:29.039
So I'm gonna hit enter.
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:32.880
I'm only gonna hit enter after you, you before you're ready to say the name.
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:33.439
Okay.
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:45.600
Okay, so this is a collaboration involving um Mitch Harris and Shane Embury from Napalm and Donald Tardy and Trevor Perez from Obituary.
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:54.960
They got together in '92, I think they started putting things together, and then they came out with the album called Embedded in 1993.
01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.319
I bring you Meat Hook Seed.
01:19:58.399 --> 01:19:59.520
Ah, I just hit enter.
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:00.399
I just hit enter.
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:06.880
Oh, you motherfucker! Yep, I just hit enter when you said that.
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:08.239
So Meat Hook Seed, yep.
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.560
What a good fact to have.
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:12.960
God damn, which album do I have?
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.359
Um, how many albums did they release?
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:16.000
Two.
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:16.880
Two, okay.
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:20.800
I know I have one of the two of them, maybe both of them.
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:27.039
I forget what the name of the second one was because by that point they had other other dudes in the band.
01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:27.600
Okay.
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.159
Yeah, I really like that band.
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:31.359
I liked what they did with that.
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:34.319
I thought that was an interesting uh combination.
01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:41.760
Yeah, yeah, really interesting uh combination there with with with uh what they sounded like and where they came from in the first place.
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:45.439
What an interesting melding of industrial.
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:47.439
Total that's what I loved about it.
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:54.560
Yeah, and it had that industrial bent to it that was sort of a departure from both other bands, really.
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:59.119
Because neither named Palm Death and Obituary didn't sound none of them sounded like Meat Hook Seed.
01:20:59.439 --> 01:20:59.760
No.
01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:02.720
So very interesting collaboration.
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:03.760
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:08.159
Uh having Mitch Harris working with Trevor Perez.
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.600
Um I don't know how much guitar writing Trevor did.
01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:18.479
Um I think it was mostly probably Mitch because Trevor actually did the vocals.
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:18.960
Yeah.
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:20.640
Oh, I don't think I knew that.
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:21.359
Yeah.
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:26.079
Um, I I didn't know that he could do that.
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:30.399
Because, you know, in obituary, he doesn't do vocals in any kind of way.
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:38.479
And I thought he did a real respectable job of of having these really intensive, you know, these these shrieks that he was doing.
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:41.760
The other album I don't think I knew this.
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:46.159
The other album was in 2019, basic instructions before leaving Earth.
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:49.279
I thought that was late 90s.
01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:53.600
Uh uh Embedded's 93.
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:54.479
Right.
01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:57.439
But I thought the other one was like 98, 99.
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:00.399
I've only seen two albums here, and the other one's seen in 2019.
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:01.199
Really?
01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:02.319
That's what it says.
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:03.439
What the hell?
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:07.119
Yeah, unless I'm unless I'm seeing this wrong, but yeah, only two albums.
01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:07.680
Okay.
01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:12.640
And the other one's basic instructions before leaving Earth, and it's uh listed as 2019.
01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:16.000
Unless it's like it was a re-release or something from later.
01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:22.800
Uh in 19 I'm looking at uh Wikipedia right now.
01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:24.000
It says 99.
01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:25.119
Oh, okay.
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:28.000
I wonder if that's well, because I'm looking at this on Apple Music.
01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:29.840
I wonder if it was a re-release or something.
01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:30.880
If they remixed it.
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:32.479
Oh, maybe they remixed it.
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:34.880
Yeah, they might have remixed it.
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:35.359
Okay.
01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:37.600
So that's maybe that's what they did.
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.199
So it's the same, it was was it the same album name?
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:41.840
Yeah.
01:22:42.079 --> 01:22:42.399
Okay.
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:44.960
So I'm guessing that's probably they probably remixed it or something.
01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:47.359
But it was originally released in what'd you say, 98?
01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:49.680
99, I think it's 99.
01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:50.560
Okay, cool.
01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:51.439
Okay, yeah.
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:52.800
The damn good band.
01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:56.560
So that's a bust.
01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:57.680
Uh yeah.
01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:04.960
Uh I mean, you know, there's there's always gonna be a much greater chance of you guessing these just because of your label involvement.
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:07.279
Just yeah, only because I've had more exposure, yeah.
01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:07.840
Uh right.
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:09.840
All of those names coming across your desk.
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:12.479
I mean, I'm sure you remember the majority of them.
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:17.279
But what I what I wanted to say was I I in picking this band.
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:18.640
Good pick though.
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:20.159
That's a they're obscure, man.
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:22.720
That's not that's not a band that people know.
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.359
No, no, and it was not a bad album.
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:26.399
No, great.
01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:26.960
I love them better.
01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:29.359
It's crazy hooky.
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:30.640
Yeah, totally.
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:39.520
Um in 1994, we went to go see Napalm Death with obituary opening.
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:40.560
Oh, man.
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:45.279
And it was at I think that was the show that was at the Oak Theater in Chicago.
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:46.079
Oh wow.
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:55.760
And it was the it was the um I think I don't know if it was the greed killing tour for napalm, but um anyway.
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:04.319
We're standing there and obituary had just finished playing and a chant began.
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:10.800
Me hook seed, meet hook seed, meet hook seed.
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:21.600
So I started going, me, hook, seed, me, hook, and we did this for I don't know, at least a couple of minutes, begging them to come out because all four of them were there.
01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:22.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:24.800
And I was like, how fucking cool would that be?
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:26.000
That would have been amazing.
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:34.399
They only played from what I remember reading, they they they didn't they played very, very, very few shows, like only a few shows.
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:34.880
Okay.
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:40.720
You know, when they were they were they were purpose built to to be meat hook seed at that point.
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:41.439
Right, right, right.
01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:50.239
I was just like, man, because I had seen other uh uh uh uh uh people you know joining each other on stage at uh various points.
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:51.680
Oh, yeah, me too, yeah.
01:24:51.920 --> 01:25:02.399
I remember when uh when Cynic opened for Cannibal Corpse, I remember seeing um uh what what's it what's his name for Cannibal Corpse, the original, the original singer.
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:04.079
He's in Six Feet Under Chris Barnes.
01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:05.039
Oh, Chris Barnes, yeah.
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:08.239
He came out to do backing vocals during Veil of Maya.
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:09.439
Oh cool.
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:10.560
That was badass, man.
01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:11.920
That's really badass, yeah.
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:22.079
And I thought, you know, so it's it's it's it's probably possible that maybe they'll come out the four of them and just just just jam one of the one song would have been killer, yeah.
01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:23.840
Yeah, that would have been cool.
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:43.119
The the obituary album that came out at after that, the the one that came out after the incomplete, and it was called um world demise, was signaled a shift in their they started to kind of uh include some industrial type drum sounds.
01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:43.920
Yeah, that's true.
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:49.840
Yeah, you know, if you listen to that, McDonald Hardy's drumming is it almost kind of sounds drum machine-ish.
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:51.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:52.560
Um not that that's a bad thing.
01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:59.600
No, no, no, it didn't go bad, but I'm like, okay, so that influence present on Meathook seed.
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:00.239
Well, I think so.
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.520
That's also when triggers were starting to show up more with double kicks.
01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:08.399
So I think that's where that would start to become more prominent in like recording technology, yeah.
01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:10.880
Which sounds, you know, more industrial.
01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.399
Yeah, well, it sounds more artificial, not yeah, artificial.
01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:14.880
There you go.
01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:16.319
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:18.800
Um, yeah, no, good band pick though.
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:19.520
Nice pick.
01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:20.479
That's a deep dive.
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:24.720
Deep cut, deep cut almost got me, but no, I got new that one.
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:25.680
But that's a deep cut.
01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:26.800
We're still gonna talk about that one.
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:27.840
Good choice, man.
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:28.479
Good choice.
01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:32.319
Next time, live victorious.
01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:37.680
All right, so we're on to live shows and upcoming tours.
01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:49.520
So I saw that.
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:52.399
Um now, have you been to any shows lately?
01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.680
No, I got the triumph show coming up next week.
01:26:55.920 --> 01:26:57.119
Oh, and triumph is next week.
01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:57.600
Okay, that's good.
01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.399
Yeah, so by the time this episode airs, it'll be after the show.
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:01.439
It'll be after the show.
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:03.039
Okay, well, I'm eager to hear how that shows.
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:04.720
I'm very sorry to hear what they're like.
01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:08.720
What the like do you have anything else coming up uh concert-wise?
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:20.000
No, um I'm sure something will come up, but like like I mentioned earlier, if uh if that rain and blood tour comes around, I'm gonna have to try to catch that.
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:21.520
Definitely, yeah, absolutely.
01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:24.079
Yeah, because that's all filler, no filler, man.
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:28.159
Well, and that might be one of the last times you see them, you know what I mean?
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:34.159
Because they're not they're not you know, they're not touring touring anymore, doing music and stuff, so it's gonna be sparse.
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:38.159
Yeah, these are specialty shows, specialty shows, so yeah, it could be pretty cool.
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:39.520
All right, so that's coming up.
01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:40.239
Um, all right.
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:51.520
So um now I know this this is already over because this tour has already happened, but if anybody has a chance to see this band, the band I was talking about earlier, Ronsi Pazuzu, they're from yeah, yeah.
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:52.800
They just played here.
01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:58.399
Uh it was the second date of their tour here in the US, and I saw them here, they're just freaking mind blowing.
01:27:58.720 --> 01:27:59.760
So if you have a chance to see them.
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:01.520
But they're now there again.
01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:03.760
Their tour will be over by the time this airs.
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:09.119
But if they happen to be touring ever in the US and you have a chance to see them, go see them.
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:11.920
They're just really good, just a incredible band live.
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:17.439
Just like they come out, they leave a punt on blood, they leave a pint on blood on the stage, and then they leave, and that's it.
01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:18.880
So they just come out ice.
01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:19.119
Wow.
01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:20.640
They just crush, man.
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:20.960
Yeah.
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:27.600
They just they don't say a word, they just come out, play, they say say they say thank you like three times and then just leave.
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:29.119
And real minimalist.
01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:32.319
The real yeah, and the rest of the time they're just playing their guts out.
01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:33.359
Just like so good.
01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:33.920
Yeah, really good.
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:35.199
How did you hear of them?
01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:37.920
Um, how did I hear about them?
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:46.319
I happen to see them online somewhere because I'm always going down rabbit holes of like bands and like uh especially the metal scene and stuff like that.
01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:49.359
I'm especially interested in Europe, European scene.
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:57.279
And I read something about them because they were a you very unique band because they're they're a mixture of like um black metal and industrial.
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:03.119
But but they don't they don't portray themselves as like necessarily the the standard sort of black metal band.
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:05.600
So they don't we're they don't do the makeup and stuff like that.
01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:10.239
That uh so if you looked at them, they look like sort of just like an average kind of band band.
01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:17.039
Um but when they play, it's like they've got keyboards, they they do really experimental stuff.
01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:20.399
Uh some song, there's one song that's like 17 minutes long.
01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:23.600
I mean, they're doing like crazy, like soundscapy.
01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:31.920
It's like it's like if uh um it's like if a really cool psychedelic band had like a black metal side project.
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.079
That's kind of that that's kind of what they're like.
01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:37.279
So they mix a lot of psychedelic elements into it.
01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:42.800
Um and uh the vocals are very screamy, kind of very reminiscent of like a black metal band.
01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:45.039
But the music, not as much.
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:54.079
I mean, the music is more like against more of an industrial uh metal backdrop, but you know, it's hard to put it's hard to pin pinpoint them.
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.520
So, but I'll I'll send you a link to go check them out and you'll see what I'm talking about.
01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:00.079
But just yeah, definitely really out there, man, just really good.
01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:01.439
So get a chance to see them.
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:03.840
All right, so but anyway, so coming up on tour.
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:08.319
Now, this should be in time for this, but sword and red fang are going on tour together.
01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:09.279
Are you familiar with them?
01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:10.239
I'm not.
01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:12.399
Sword, I think you'd like the sword.
01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:15.359
Check them out, they're like um Stone Rock.
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:18.319
Oh great guitar riffs, though.
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:19.359
You'd love the riffs.
01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:21.520
Check out the sword.
01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:24.960
Them and Red Fang are going on tour later this year.
01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:33.600
Uh it looks like Black Label Society, Zack Sabbath, and Dark Chapel are going out on tour this this fall.
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:36.479
Uh, have you ever seen Black Label Society Live?
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:37.119
No.
01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:38.079
You should.
01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:40.960
You should really take your plugs.
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:41.760
Uh-huh.
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:42.960
So loud.
01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:44.880
They're good though.
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:47.119
He's a monster guitar player, man.
01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:51.680
Well, the fact that he's doing Zack Sabbath and that on the same tour, he's pulling double duty there.
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:53.359
So, I mean, he's playing for like hours.
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:55.439
Just like that drummer you were talking about.
01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:58.880
Yeah, I mean, just like Jesus Christ, I don't know how these guys are doing that shit.
01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:01.359
So, but he's he's a hell of a player, though.
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:02.960
He can sing too, like the son of a bitch, man.
01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:03.920
He's a good singer.
01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:06.399
Yeah, he's a top-level musician.
01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:08.399
I've seen Black Label Society a couple times.
01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:10.079
They're very, he's they're very good, man.
01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:12.239
So really, oh yeah, oh yeah.
01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:17.359
He's um he looks like I wouldn't want to be his guitar tech, though.
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.279
He looks like he could be a prick.
01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:25.039
Like I saw him, he played in my home Black Label Society, played in my hometown one time, 11 in Pennsylvania.
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:35.199
So me and my buddy Paul went to see them, and um he uh something happened with his guitar, it was something was wrong with it, I don't know what it was, and he threw it at his tech.
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:39.520
And when I say threw it, I mean like hurled it at less Paul.
01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:44.640
He just like hurled it at the guy, like he was trying to throw it at his head, kind of a thing.
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:49.600
Yeah, and I'm like, Woly shit! So so he's yeah, he's intense, man.
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:51.199
I don't know if I'd want to piss him off.
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:54.800
Yeah, he's got a little bit of uh anger, uh a little bit of a temper.
01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:57.199
Well, that was that was a that was a while ago.
01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:59.199
So I think he's discovered God since then.
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:02.159
So maybe he's metal settled down a little bit.
01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:06.079
So maybe maybe he maybe does like a quick prayer and then throws it at him after that.
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:11.039
Not sure, but um, but that looks like it's gonna be a cool tour, so that's something to check out.
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:16.319
Um Seven Dust and Theory of a Dead Man heading out in September as well.
01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:18.960
So some other metal stuff going on there.
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:20.800
Um, man, Joey's right though.
01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:25.279
I'm not I'm not seeing a lot of newish bands in here in this list, you know.
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:38.399
So I got but man, I got uh an email, a couple of emails lately from I think Live Nation, yeah, about about tours, and it's like I'm I can't believe the names I'm looking at.
01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:40.880
Iron Maiden, ACDC.
01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:42.159
It's crazy.
01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:46.560
I'm like, why are they still doing it?
01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:54.399
I mean, we talked about this before too, but it just brings to light everything we talked about with Joe.
01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:55.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:32:56.319 --> 01:32:58.479
Who who the fuck is stepping up?
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:13.920
He's becoming a moot point, and all of these bands are quickly becoming these anachronisms for the current day and age where you know, every time I fucking get in my car when I pull up to a red light, I don't hear I don't hear rock anymore at all, like at all.
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:15.840
Oh, yesterday I couldn't believe it.
01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:19.520
And I said to my wife, I'm like, that person's jamming ACDC.
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:21.039
They were jamming dirty deeds.
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:22.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:29.840
And I don't know if it was a song that was on the radio at the time or if they were playing an actual album or not, but you know, that was the first rock music that I've heard.
01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:32.239
And you know, look, nothing against other kinds of music.
01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:40.800
I just just don't I'm not, you know, fan of it, but like all I hear is boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:45.359
And it's it's like oh I'm surrounded by that fucking beat.
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:45.840
Yeah.
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:59.600
Um, so I think where the fuck are uh it's been kind of rock is just being it I don't think of it as being pushed to the side, it's just that it's sunk down under the ground level.
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:03.920
Yeah, you really want to enjoy it, you you have to go underground.
01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:06.000
Yeah, I agree.
01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:11.840
There's no other way you're not gonna see multi-city stadium tours anymore.
01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:17.359
The well the ones that you see now, they're they're like the last gasp of a dying organism.
01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:17.920
Yeah.
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:24.640
Um, and it sucks, but I don't know, maybe it'll reinvent itself in some kind of interesting way.
01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:25.600
I think that's the point.
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:26.960
I think that's kind of what has to happen.
01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.199
I think it has to be some sort of reinvention at this point.
01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:29.680
I don't know.
01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:30.159
We'll see.
01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:32.399
Yeah, we'll see what breathes life into it again.
01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:33.279
Yeah, yeah.
01:34:33.439 --> 01:34:38.560
I'm not a fan of like the what's considered new rock now, like like imagine dragons.
01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:40.800
Oh, yeah, no, or 21 pilots.
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:43.359
That that to me it's very boring.
01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:44.720
Yeah, it's boring, yeah.
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:48.239
Yeah, well, like you said, like we talked about turnstile winning in Grammy.
01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:49.520
We're like, that's metal now.
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:50.239
Uh yeah.
01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:51.439
So I don't understand it.
01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:52.479
That's metal, yeah.
01:34:52.560 --> 01:35:03.760
So uh now restoring our faith a little bit, dying fetus, uh sanguine sugar bug, crowbar, left to suffer, and deterioration are touring.
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.880
That's a big fucking package this fall.
01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:07.840
So there you go.
01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:09.039
That that's there we go.
01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:11.760
Got something in there that makes it feel like that.
01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:14.159
That's that's a that's a heavy as fuck lineup, man.
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:15.279
Jesus Christ, man.
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:16.239
It's a heavy lineup.
01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:16.720
Good god.
01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:22.239
I'm gonna have to start lifting weights again to you know try to get in shape for something like that.
01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:24.000
That's a workout.
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:24.720
That's no joke.
01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:25.760
Those bands are no joke.
01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:26.800
That's a workout.
01:35:27.039 --> 01:35:30.000
And then finally, and I just got my ticket for it yesterday.
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:33.680
Elder touring this fall.
01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:35.359
I made a ticket for them.
01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:37.840
They're playing here in October or uh yeah.
01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:40.800
I saw I got my ticket from my October here in Portland.
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:41.600
So Elder.
01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:43.920
Now, are they are they Canadian?
01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:44.640
Where are they from?
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:45.439
I don't know.
01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:46.399
Well, that's a good question.
01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:47.680
I don't know where Elder's from.
01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:48.800
Uh Elder of the Band.
01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:50.000
Let me look that out real quick.
01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:51.039
Elder of the Band.
01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:52.479
Because I know you're a fan too.
01:35:52.720 --> 01:35:53.039
Yeah.
01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:56.880
Uh they gotta be coming your way, I would think.
01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:00.399
Um is an American rock band from Massachusetts.
01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:02.319
Oh shit, I didn't know that.
01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:03.359
I didn't know that either.
01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:04.640
So I did not know that.
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:04.960
Yeah.
01:36:05.439 --> 01:36:06.399
From Massachusetts.
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:10.640
Uh they gotta be coming out your way, because I mean this looks like a really big tour that they're doing.
01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:12.000
So from what I saw.
01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:15.279
So uh let me see if I got any New Jersey dates here.
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.479
Um yeah, they mainly played like Europe and stuff, I'd noticed.
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:20.720
They don't tour the US, I don't think, a whole lot.
01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:25.600
Uh but then that makes sense because they they there's a better scene over there, so that makes a lot more sense.
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:27.039
Uh but let me see.
01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:29.600
What do we got here on the East Coast?
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:33.119
New York, Webster Hall.
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:41.840
They're doing October 2nd, and that looks to be about it as far as how close they'll get to you.
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:43.840
Oh, up in New York, okay.
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:48.079
Yeah, it doesn't look like they're hitting Jersey or Philly, which sucks.
01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:52.319
I mean, I thought they'd hit Philly maybe, but it doesn't look like they're gonna hit Philly or DC.
01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:56.000
Uh I may consider doing that.
01:36:56.079 --> 01:37:00.640
It's just you know, I try to avoid going to Manhattan for anything anymore.
01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:01.760
How far is that for you?
01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:03.199
How far is Manhattan for you?
01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:07.439
It's not far distance-wise, it's like maybe a hundred miles.
01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:09.520
Oh, but New York miles.
01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:14.159
Not only that, it's the cost, it's the congestion.
01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:19.600
You know, it's impossible to find the place to park, you know, unless you want to spend 30 bucks just to park.
01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:20.479
I mean, it's crazy.
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:21.760
How about how about the train?
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:23.199
Can you take the train up there?
01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:27.199
You can, but it I mean, it depends on where in New York that is.
01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:31.520
And like I don't know off the top of my head where that place is, but where Webster Hall is, yeah.
01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:36.479
I don't mind like getting off the train to Penn Station and walking, you know, 10-20 blocks.
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:37.439
That's not a big deal.
01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:47.279
But if it's beyond that, or if it's in one of the other boroughs, yeah, then I gotta take another train or a bus, and then you know, it's it becomes like a pain in the ass.
01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:48.319
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:49.199
It's a nightmare.
01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:50.880
Uh okay, just curious.
01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:51.840
So, all right.
01:37:51.920 --> 01:37:54.079
Well, that looks to be it then for the live stuff.
01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:55.920
Do you have any other live things to talk about?
01:37:56.159 --> 01:38:03.359
Well, no, but uh, I'd like to make uh note of the fact that uh we are now wrapping up the end of the first season of our show.
01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:08.399
I hope that y'all enjoyed listening to us gab about rock and roll.
01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:10.640
I thought it went pretty good.
01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:11.680
I thought so too.
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:15.199
Um now when we say in the first season, uh, we're taking a little break.
01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:19.600
We don't know how long, uh, how long we need, you know, that could be a month, could be two months, we don't know.
01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:21.279
Uh, could be six months, a year.
01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:21.680
I don't know.
01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:22.800
Probably not that long.
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:24.159
Uh, but we have to figure that out.
01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:26.800
And that, but that that's something William and I are going to discuss.
01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:30.239
Uh, but we'll be back when we're back, and then that probably won't be too long.
01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:37.119
Uh, by the time this all wraps up, we'll have that figured out because um uh we spaced these things out pretty much uh pretty far.
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:44.079
So by the time September rolls around when this next episode or when this last episode comes out, we should be back for our next season after that.
01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:46.399
So, but uh we'll figure that out when the time comes.
01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:51.359
But yeah, we're gonna take a little break here and uh and then we'll be back after our season break.
01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:52.000
There we go.
01:38:52.319 --> 01:38:58.000
In the meantime, season two yes, season two.
01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:00.319
Uh and we're gonna wrap it up right there.
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:07.680
Thank you for joining us.
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