Commentary Companions, Episode 46: Fantastic Four (2015)

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Welcome the commentary companions. I'm your host, Tony Garcia, and
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unfortunately I'm doing a commentary on Fantastic Four, specifically the
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twenty fifteen reboot directed by Josh Trink. I have to
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remind myself this is a reboot and not a remake.
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There is a difference between a reboot and a remake.
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And yes, as you can tell, I'm not very enthused
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to be working on this because even I know that
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this film is a train wreck. Now here's the thing.
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I'm a big fan of the Fantastic Four films that
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were made by Tim's story. I mean, I know they're
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not perfect, but you know, there's still there's still entertaining
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and they have heart. But you know, this film. I
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remember being so skeptical about this reboot because I wanted
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to see the original story continue. I did want to
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see Fantastic Foward number three. But yeah, I guess I
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was skeptical to the change then. And jeez, I can't
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believe they dragged a Dan Castellanetta into this. The worst
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part is they pretty much he's pretty much not even
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full of life. It's almost as if he forgot to
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have his cup of coffee. He's like I swear he
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had more range in Space Jim.
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Than he did hear And but yeah, I was very skeptical,
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and I thought it would be good with Josh trink
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at the Helm as director, because you know, I watched Chronicle.
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I liked him. I thought Dan da Han and Michael B.
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Jordan were very good in the film. But you know it, Uh,
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But boy was I wrong. And it's hilarious. It's almost
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as if somehow Michael B. Jordan being cast as Johnny
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Storms seems like the least controversial thing about this film.
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But yeah, I did not know that. Well. Of course,
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the only reason that this twenty fifteen reboot was made
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is because twentieth Century Fox and I guess Constantin Films
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wanted to keep the movie rights to the Fantastic Four.
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They had an eight year window if they didn't. And
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it's like if if Fox didn't make a make a
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Fantastic Four movie before, I mean, maybe after twenty fifteen,
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the films movie rights would revert back to Marvel Studios.
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And here's the thing, Like I said, I've tried, I've
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been lenient with the Fox Films lately. I've tried to
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be diplomatic and lenient, but this film just makes me
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so angry and pissed off because it wastes any potential.
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It's like, you know, it's like some reboots are made.
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I mean sometimes some reboots are made for the sake
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of money and other follow ups to films, the worst
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ones are usually like the only reason they're made is
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because it's because well, it's because they want to keep
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the rights to the movies. And fun fact, Ben's older
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brother is played by Chet Hanks, the the son of
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Tom Hanks. Didn't even know that was Tom Hanks's son,
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but yeah, thank goodness, he only has a brief scene.
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But yeah, anyway, like I was saying, like sometimes a
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reboot is Sometimes follow ups to films are made because
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movie studios want to keep the rights to the film,
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to the film film franchise. Other times they want to
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do it as a cash grap because they have the rights.
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And it's like take, for example, the Hell Racer films
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when they were owned by Dimension Pictures or Dimension Films whatever. Yeah,
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like the only reason that Dimension Films would usually make
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a sequel to the Hell Films isn't because they cared
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about Clive Barker's mythology. They more cared about making a
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hell Raiser film because they wanted to keep the rights
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to the franchise, even if they didn't want to do
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anything else with it. And they didn't even care if
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the hell Raiser sequel was good. They just wanted it
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turned out so they could keep the rights to the franchise.
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And I feel like what Fox did is no better
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than this. It's like, and Marvel wanted to be lenient
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with Fox. They wanted to offer chances like, hey, if
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you give us the rights to Fantastic Four and also
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the Cosmic villains in exchange as well. In exchange, we'll
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let you have Daredevil, which seems like, you know, a
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good idea. But Fox was like, no way, we wanted
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the Fantastic Four rights. We think it has the same
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potential as as X Men, and yeah, and we all
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have to suffer for it. And trust me, it's just
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I mean, the making of the Fantastic Four reboot is
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very much is anything but fantastic. But yeah, the characters
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in this film would have reverted back to Marvel. The
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film was de late beyond twenty fifteen. Imagine having a
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seven year window to produce a new Fantastic Four film
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after rights the Silver Surfer with the release of one
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year after that time expires. Also a fun fact that
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the garage that Read is working in as a child,
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it's the same garage in which Biff keeps his Biff
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Tannin keeps his car and Back to the Future part two.
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But Yeah. Originally, Marvel Studios offered to give Fox an
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extension on rebooting Daredevil in exchange for the Fantastic Four
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film rights, along with characters associated with the brand that
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would expand their cosmic universe Galactis, Silver Surfer, Uatu, the Watcher,
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a Nihilist, the Scrolls, and the Badoon, among others, or
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at least just the cosmic characters, because characters like Galactis
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have a lot of potential in the Marvel cinematic universe.
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Fox refused to take up their offer, and they subsequently
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lost the rights to Daredevil, allowing Marvel to produce the
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Netflix Daredevil show from twenty fifteen. The cosmic characters were
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ultimately never used and the rights reverted to Marvel following
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Disney's purchase of Fox. But Yeah, like I said, I've
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tried to be diplomatic to the other Fox films like Daredevil, Elektra,
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X Men Origins, Wolverine. But here's the thing I can
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finally let out what peeves me about Fox's dictating control
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on the X Men franchise and the Fantastic Four franchise.
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Ever since they got the rights to these franchises, they've
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been very dictatorial. It's like once they had the rights
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to the X Men franchise, Marvel has had to tiptoe
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and find loopholes because when Fox owned the rights to
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the to the X Men franchise, they also owned the
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movie rights to the word mutant. So you know, franchises
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like Spider Man and other Marvel Cinematic Universe projects were
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not allowed to use the word mutant in the franchise
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because well, Fox had a grip hold on the word
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mutant and you could barely keep feature any X Men characters,
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which is exactly why like Pietro and Wanda maxim Off
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in the Marvel Cinematic Universe were not called mutants and
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why they and why Magneto was not their father, which
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is really pet peavish in my opinion, but of course
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it does. It only gets worse there. Fox had such
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a tight grip hold on the Fantastic Four rights. And
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it's like, if any comic book character made their comic
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book debut in a Fantastic Four comic book, then well
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then Fox would immediately have the movie rights two said character. Now,
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of course, there are some exceptions to that rule, ironically,
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like like Black Panther made his debut in a in
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a Fantastic Four comic book, but somehow Marvel still managed
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to gain the rights because he's managed to really become
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a universe and of its own. But imagine if but
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you know, I think if Fox did have the rights
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to the Black Panther, had the rights to the Black
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Panther film franchise, and if a third Fantastic Four movie
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directed by Tim's story was made, I think it would
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have been appropriate to feature Black Panther. But sadly, that
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potential is wasted. I'm sorry, I don't need to get
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so pissed off, but I mean, I hate the wasted
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potential of that Fox has, that Fox has wasted with
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their characters. It really does get on my freaking nerves
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and I and I really do hate how Fox had
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such a grip hold on the X Men franchise and
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the Fantastic Four franchise pretty much a forcing the Marvel's
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cinematic universe to really think of adjustments and be unable
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to feature X Men characters in fact, and it was
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even worse in the comics. Now, I should point out
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when Kamala Kahn, the current Miss Marvel, was being created
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in Marvel Comics, the creators actually wanted to make a
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Kamala a mutant. I don't think they cared about the
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idea of Kamala of the whole mutant tobacco with Fox,
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but the racist higher up Ike pro Muter forced the
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creators to make Kamala Khan and inhuman just to spite
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Fox because by that point Ike pro Mutter had a
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terrible relationship with Fox at the time. The same goes
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for Kevin fig I mean, I think Kevin Figy kind
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of stopped being so invested with Fox by around X
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Men origins Wolverine, which is why he was more invested
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with the Spider Man franchise. But yeah, I need to
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rant about why I I was so pet peeved with
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the whole With Fox's dictatorial grip on the Fantastic Four rights,
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it really mucked things up, and you can totally blame
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Fox for a lot of the Fantastic Four problems, if
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you know what I mean. But yeah, and you know,
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a reboot felt inevitable, but apparently this idea, the I beat.
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The idea for a Fantastic Four reboot goes back to
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after Rise of the Silver Surfer, and well they wanted
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to do, uh, do something with it, and well, let
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me get to the production. Yeah. So originally in twenty nineteen,
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Fox wanted a Kiva Goldsman as a with Michael Green
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to write the screenplay. At the time, Adrian Brody and
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Jonathan Rice Meyers were considered for the role of Mister
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Fantastic and Keeper Sutherland was considered for the role of
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the Thing, but eventually that those ideas fell through, and
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in July twenty twelve, Josh Trink was hired to direct,
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coming off the success of his debut feature Chronicle, with
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Jeremy Slater attached to write the script. And that's you know,
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that idea had potential. I mean, on paper, it makes
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sense why Josh Shrink would have been considered to direct
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Fantastic Four because after making Chronicle, of course they would
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want something like Chronicle for Fantastic Four. But oh boy,
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they made a big mistake hiring Josh Trink, and I
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think it's a we'll remain continue to haunt them for
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the rest of their lives. But yeah. It was also
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Jeremy Slater's first collaboration on a Marvel project. When Jeremy
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Slater is a massive comic book fan, and what he
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had in mind sounds way better than what we got now.
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The draft of the script, written by Josh Trank and
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Jeremy Slater was different from the final film in numerous ways.
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I mean, the first act of the original draft is
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the first two thirds of the final movies, you know,
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drag it On. The original script is closer to the
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MCU in tone, and the script features the origin so
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the Fantastic Four, Doctor Doom, Galactus, Moleman, Herbie the Robot,
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and the Fantastic Car. Ben is still Read's muscle, keeping
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him safe from bullies. This aspect makes Reid's decision to
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bring Ben along on the trip to the Negative Zone
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make more sense. Reid goes to the Baxter Building as
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part of a science scholarship. There, he meets Sue, who
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was working with a doctor Elder who is on the
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cutting edge of his biology field making molloids. Reid also
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meets Victor von Doom, who takes the nerdy read to
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parties where he meets in falls for Sue. Meanwhile, Ben
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has become sad as Read just calling him and has
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made a choice. He's scaping college and has enlisted in
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the army. There is no older doctor Sue doctor Storm character.
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Sue calls her brother Johnny as the last resort when
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they're about to take their trip to the Negative Zone,
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and it turns out Victor von Doom is actually a
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spy for his homeland of Ladvaria and is leaking reads
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research to them. When the team uses their quantum gait,
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it's because their school refuses to let them use it,
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which causes a team to use it under the cover
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of night. Reed calls in Ben, the person he trusts
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the most, even if their relation is relationship is strained.
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Sue is staying behind Johnny helping her man the controls
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from this side of the portal. Ben gets promised that
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he will be the first human to step foot on
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the other side of the portal. When they go into
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the Negative Zone, they find an alien city with an
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entire population dead. They also find their destroyer, Galactis. Galactus
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seemingly kills Victor with dark matter, while Freed and Ben
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make it to the module, but it's not working. On
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the other side of the portals, Sue is working feverishly
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to fix this circuitry that won't allow the module to
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return home. Galactis sneers as Sue finally fixes the machine,
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and he blasts the module with dark matter, but the
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dark matter hits the quantum gate and there's reaction. The
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entire team, the two in the module and the two
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in the lab are pelted with some kind of cosmic madness.
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The scene of the team waking up in the wreckages
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is similar, with Johnny on fires screaming and Ben trapped
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in stone. Sue's conditions more obvious, though, with the skin
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on her face disappearing and showing her musculature. Very body
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horror alike, because apparently Josh Trank thought it was a
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great idea to make it make this a body horror movie. Anyway,
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back on subject, whoops, the script jumps ahead four years
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instead of one, where john becomes a reality TV star,
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which seems in character for him. Sue goes back to
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medicine and uses her invisibility powers to look inside of
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patients suffering from serious cancers, which you know, I actually like.
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Doctor Elder wants her to come work on the Molloyd program,
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but Sue won't. She thinks that it'll be weaponized. Reed
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isn't hiding because he blames himself for the destruction cost
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at the Baxter building where he has built a Herbie
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robot while trying to sell the fantastic car to Toyota,
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and Ben is working for the military. Meanwhile, Ladvaria creates
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their own quantum Gate thanks to the information that Victor
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has sent them. They send a team through. Only Doom returns, however,
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and takes over the country with his powers, now acting
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as Galactus's herald. Yeah, and apparently Victor von Doom was
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supposed to be like a blogger or whatever. I guess
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you could say he was a Doom poster. And like
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I was saying, Sue has been trying to cure Ben
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using her cancer research, but it isn't working. Victor's people,
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called shock Troopers, who are armed with futuristic weapons, attack
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Red in Indonesia. When he notices that the weapons are
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based on his designs, Reid realizes that this has to
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be Victor's work and that he's still alive. After failing
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to contact Sue, he uses a fantastic car and flies
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to the Baxter Building, bringing Herbie along as well. At
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the same time, shock troopers attacks Sue and Johnny at
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the Baxter Building. During the fight, Doctor Elders accidentally transformed
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into the Moleman. While Johnny and Sue fight the soldiers,
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a Molloyd comes into contact with dark matter becomes a
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giant creature. When Reid finally arrives, the giant creature bursts
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out of the ground Ben, who happens to be nearby
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looking at puppies in a pet shop window. Here's the commotion.
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It runs over the team engaged the giant Molloyd, and
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the battle ends when Ben gets swallowed and tries to
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fight his way out. When he finally gets to the
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Mulloyd's mouth, he sees that Reed has a slingshot of
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the bus of the creature and Johnny has set it
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on fire in it is heading right towards the mouth
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and Ben. The rest I could imagine there would be
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a funny man where Ben's like Ah come on. The
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rest of the script has the team coming together to
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go to lab Furia, now the center of an international instant.
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Because Victor has built a giant dark energy cannon, he
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intends to use it to destroy as it seems that
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Victure's only chance at survival in the Negative Zone was
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to act as Galactus Herald and help him find a
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new will to eat Earth, but Von Doom intends to
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destroy the Destroyer before that can happen. The team uses
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their about their powers and more ways than this script,
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and Sue especially gets a lot to do. She helps
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Read escape from government captivity after the Molloid battle, and
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she's able to create a force shield that reduces wind
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resistance on the Fantastic Cord and allows it to reach
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incredible speeds. Reid uses his powers to become a living
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air bag and a crash. He survives a grenade attack,
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and in the end his biggest contribution to the final
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fight is Herbie. The final battle is in Lavaria, but
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it is revealed that shape shifting Doom there is a
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doom bought. Victory is actually physically attached to the planet
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in the Negative Zone and has centendials of his being
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to Earth. The film ends with him trapped in the
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Negative Zone. The Fantastic for telling the government Galactus is
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coming in the retooling of the Baxter Building as their
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home base and the school for smart kids who can
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help defeat the coming menace of Galactis. This version of
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the script was rejected by twentieth Century Fox that it
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would have been too expensive, which is why they hired
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Simon Kinberg to rewrite the film, resulting in the final version.
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But I also believe it's like Jeremy Slater pretty much
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went through twenty drafts of of the original of the original,
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twenty drafts of the script, and Josh Trink didn't like
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each one. Because you have to know, Josh Trink is
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not a comic book guy. He does not like comic books.
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Jeremy Slater, Onto your Hand, was a big, big comic
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book fan, and he wanted to It's like he wanted to.
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It's like it's like Josh Trinka wanted to make this
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a body horror film, and which really doesn't work for
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characters like the Fantastic Four, because you have to remember
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the Fantastic Four are a like are Marvel's first original family. Noticed,
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I said family, That's the important part. Fantastic for had
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a revolving door of writers, and the studio continued adding
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new names even after filming had begun. Jeremy Slater initially
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worked with Trank on a script, but Trank insisted on
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acting as a buffer between Slater and the studio. Slater
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said that he was not allowed to speak with Fox
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unless Trank was present, and he never got about ninety
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five percent of the studio script notes. Slater left the
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project after six months, at which point the studio brought
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in several other writers, including Seth Graham Smith and Simon
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Kinberg to try and get and get and get a
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script ready for filming. I don't even get me started
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on the reshoots, but they went through more writers to
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produce script pages for the reshoots. Trank wrote his own pages,
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but they were ignored. Gee, I wonder why. Uh. Yeah, Now,
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this movie was supposedly to take place in the X
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Men movie universe and would have built up a civil
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war cross for a movie, you know, like Marvel's Civil War.
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But yeah, I can safely assume that The Fantastic four
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twenty fifteen does not take place in the X Men
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movie universe. And I guess according to the TVA, the
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film takes place on Earth fifteen eight sixty six, and
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I doubt anyone wants to visit that Earth ever again.
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Ha ha ha. How clever. Fun fact. Victor von Doom's original
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name in this film was a Victor Domashev, but fan
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backlash forced the pretty much make it rename him Victor
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von Doom, like that even makes a difference. And you know,
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I feel like the only one who's even carrying this
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film on his back is the late Reggie Cathy as
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Franklin Storm. And I know who Reggie Cathy is not
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because of his work on the Wire, but because of
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his performances as Luke Cage's father, Carl Lucas in Josh
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Lucas in in Uh Luke Cage, the series starring Mike Coulter,
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which was so great. Yeah, you might find this's funny.
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Josh during compares the experience of filming the reshoots to
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Fantastic Four to being castrated. He says, you're standing there
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and you're basically watching producers blocking out scenes five minutes
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ahead of when you get there, having editors hired by
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the studio, deciding the sequence of shots that are going
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to construct whatever is going on and what it is
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that they need. And then because they know you're being nice,
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they'll sort of they'll sort of be nice to you
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by saying, well, does that sound good? Also, yeah, this
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was the second and final collaboration between Michael B. Jordan
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and uh and uh and Josh Trenk. It's interesting like
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it's funny. How months after working on Fantastic Four, Michael B.
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Jordan suddenly did a Creed, the spin off to Rocky
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and Uh, yeah, I do believe that. Yeah, Creed is
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so much better than Create, is so much better than
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Fantastic Four. Okay, So screenplays often go through many different
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tracks where their shooting script is ready, often they're there
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are a few more redrafts after that. Due to Trank
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acting as a roadblock between Slater and Fox, However, more
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than a dozen versions of Fantastic four's screenplay never even
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made it to the studio. Slater estimates that he wrote
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almost eighteen drafts of Fantastic Four in total, amounting to
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two thousand pages of material, though he departed after months
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after six months, and many other writers came and went.
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Slater told Polygon that the final version of Fantastic Four
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that ended up in theaters was essentially an expanded version
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of the forty pages he'd initially written, though without the superheroes,
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but yet from from the start, Trenk was not interested
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in making a traditional, fun superhero origin story, and in fact, Fox,
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which was looking for fresh creativity after the previous version
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of Fantastic Four sput it out, originally encouraged him to
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make Josh Shrank's Fantastic Four. It seems clear that the
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studio had already started to lose confidence in this idea
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even before filming began, as by the slatching of the
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movie's budget and bringing in Fox's favorite screenwriter, Simon Kinberg,
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who was already shaping the X Men franchise. Trank and
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Slater had been divided over the script, since Slater was
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a card carrying comic book nerd who wanted to make
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something like The Avengers. According to Slater, Trink had hated
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every fucking second of The Avengers, which should have been
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a red flag to it should have been a red
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flag to twentieth century Fox, and he kept losing interest
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in the Fantastic Four script after the point when the
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team got their powers and not to actually fight a
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comic book villain. The result of this effort to fight
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the expectations of superior movies. Was that when Fox executives
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saw the first cut of the movie, the grim tone
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of it made them uncomfortable. Trank said that was a goal,
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as was the general sense that it wasn't for the fans.
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But after seeing Josh Shrank's Fantastic Four, Fox's executives decided
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it was no longer what they needed. Uh yeah, that
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should have been a red flag to twenty centry Fox
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that maybe they shouldn't have hired Josh Trink. I think
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if they had hired any other guy, they could have
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probably done a Fantastic four twenty and fifteen, probably would
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have been more decent. I mean, Jeremy Slater seems like
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a good guy. I mean, there's a reason Marvel hired
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him to work on Moonnight, and there's a reason that
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James Gunn brought him on board for the upcoming DC
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universe that but yeah, after Fantastic Force release, reports began
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coming out regarding what exactly had gone wrong on set,
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and they didn't paint a flattering picture of Trink. Among
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the claims that was the detail that Trenk's dogs did
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more than one hundred thousand dollars worth of damage to
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the rented house he was staying in, that the director
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would show up till set late, and that he was
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combative and hostile to the group, producers, and even the stars.
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Trnk pushed back on some of these reports when interviewed
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eight months after the Fantastic Force release. Among the details
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he refuted was to claim that he built a black
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tent around his monitor and cut himself off from everybody.
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Trank says that the setup he had had was actually
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just a standard video village. It's fairly common on movie,
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says to have a monitor set up in a black tent.
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But yeah, it got so bad that that Josh Shrink
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and Miles Teller were so close to getting into physical fights.
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They just got chest to chest, daring the other one
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to make the first hit. God. But this had a
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negative impact on a lot of things. But yeah, Marvel
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wasn't fond of the direction the film was going and
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made mention of it in a Marvel comic The Punisher
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Number twelve, which has the Fantastic Four meant to look
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like the twenty fifteen actors get getting taken down in Explosion. Now,
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Josh Trank visioned his films being about two hours and
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twenty minutes long. The studio cut that down significantly to
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one hour and forty minutes But Yeah. After director Josh
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Trink finalized his version of the film in twenty fourteen,
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the studio was dissatisfied it didn't like the director's work.
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Fox demanded reshoots, which took place on Around which took place.
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It took place in January of twenty fifteen, after production
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wrapped in Nagout of twenty fourteen. This was mainly due
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to creative differences in the fact that the studio thought
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to his version of the film was too violent. But Yeah.
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Josh Shrank fought for Miles Teller to get the role
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of Reid Richards against the wishes of the studios, only
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for the two men to end up nearly in a
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fistfight on set. The studios pushed for Kate Marr and
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the role of Sue's Storm, even though Trank didn't want
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her for the role. As a result, Joshrink was difficult
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Tomorrow and bullied her during filming. But Yeah. Reshoots started
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five months after production wrapped in Auguta twenty fourteen, starting
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in January twenty fifteen. The reshoots were supervised and directed
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by Simon Kinberg, Hodge Parker and editor Stephen Rivkin, with
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Trank being sidelined. And you know, reshooting directors have a
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thankless position. They're brought in by studio mandate to salvage
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a troubled production and sometimes to add jokes. The schedules compromise,
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the budget is limited and the cost is clearly exhausted,
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and reshoot directors know through all this stress the original
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director will receive sole credit If the film succeeds. The
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original director is praised. If it fails, the reshoot director
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is to scape good, blamed for everything. Therefore, the reshoot
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director is forced to capture the visual style, pacing, and
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tone by the original director. The reason they never get
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credit is because of the Director's Guild of America's a
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strict one director policy, which dictates that an original director
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can't share credit with the reshoot director or be replaced
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unless they are extreme circumstances like illness or incapacitation, and
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must be approved by the Guild. Like I said, it's
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a thankless task for someone like Simon Kimberg and Dexter Fletcher.
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But on the bright side, of these reshoots, Michael B.
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Jordan and Kate Marras seem to have gone along well
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with Simon Kinberg anyway. Fantastic Four twenty fifteen is the
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first film to be screened at more than four thousand
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theaters in America and make less than one hundred million
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dollars at the domestic box office, making a mere fifty
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six point one million dollars. It remained the lowest grossing
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four thousand theater film until the release of The nut
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Job two Oh Nuts But Yet. Franklin Storm made his
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comic book debut in Fantastic Four number thirty one in
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October of nineteen sixty four. But Yeah, Doctor Harvey Allen
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is loosely based by on Harvey Elder, aka the mole Man,
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the first villain into Fantastic Four, fought in their debut
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comic Harvey was going, I had to be Mullman in
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this movie, but reshoots changed that. I wouldn't even consider
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this the real Mollman, I swear. Paul Walter Walter Hauser's
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version of Moleman feels like the real Moleman in Fantastic Four.
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First Steps, Wow, it only took me thirty one minutes
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to compare this piece of shit's this piece of shit
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film to the much more successful successor, and here on
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commentary companions, I know that I'm not supposed to that.
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I've made a rule that I don't compare the film
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I'm talking about to the predecessor and or the reboot
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because it's not fair. And I try to base the film,
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try to value the film based on its own merits.
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But my god, this film pretty much it frustrates me
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so much. Anyway, Okay, who I need to calm down. Yeah,
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Earth zera looks like a shithole said it? It's dole.
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It's lame anyway. Earth zero is inspired by the Negative
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Zone in the comics and its ultimate counterpart. And here's
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the thing. Planet zero was originally called the Negative Zone
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in earliest scripts, but was renamed Planet zero in the
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final cut to avoid overloading viewers with too much comic
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low at once, which is fucking bullshit. You know, I
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would have loved it if they had called it the
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Negative Zone. That would have been so cool. They could
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have gone bombastic with it, but they didn't. Who Why
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am I getting so worked up? What I mean? Seriously?
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I mean, yes, I'm pissed off, okay anyway. The negative
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zone was introduced in Fantastic four number fifty one by
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Stanley and Jack Kirby, published in nineteen sixty six, and
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while the end zone was The end Zone was glimpsed
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in issue number one of Ultimate Fantastic Four and made
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its full appearance in Ultimate Fantastic Four number thirteen. Ultimate
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Fantastic Four Number thirteen was written by Warren Ellis and
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illustrated by Adam Coopert, published in January two thousand and five.
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Well look at that genuine emotion. I mean, while the
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governments like a bitch you thought. Anyway. This version of
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Fantastic Four is loosely based on Ultimate Fantastic Four, and
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I mean loosely like some elements, but not all elements anyway.
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Ultimate Fantastic Four lasted sixty issues from February of two
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thousand and four to February two thousand and nine. It's
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collaborative writers and illustrators were Brian Michael Bendis, Mark Millar,
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Warren Ellis, Mike Carey, Joe Puccawski, Adam Kubert, Stuart Emminen,
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Jay Lee, greg Land, Fraser, Irving Pascual Ferry Scott Collins,
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Mark Brooks, and Tyler Kirkham. Ultimate Fantastic Four is notable
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for introducing Marvel Zombies, which was introduced in issue number
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twenty one. The success to the Marvel Zombies in Ultimate
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Fantastic Four led to the spinoff series. But yeah, but yeah,
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Doctor Doom joined the Ultimate Marvel Universe and issue number
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two of Ultimate Fantastic Four. In the Ultimate Marvel Universe,
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his birth name is Victor van Dam and is a
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descendant of Count Dracula. You know, the thing that frustrates
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me about Fantastic Four twenty fifteen, among many other things,
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is the lack of camaraderie. Yes, I do like, I
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do like seeing some of this camaraderie between the actors,
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between the characters, and we don't get enough of that
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in this film, which seriously frustrates me because I think
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one of one of the one of Fantastic four strong
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suits is their camaraderie. You know, it's like a shoot.
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I guess I should have. It's Fantastic Four known for
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their camaraderie in the comics. But yeah, the Fantastic Four
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are absolutely famous for their deep camaraderie. Yeah, they're pretty
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much a found family who choose to stick together through
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all their adventures in conflicts, like it makes any difference.
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Oh yeah, that's a great plan. But yet the bad
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performance of this film is reportedly what got Miles Teller
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dropped from La La Land, and which would have been,
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uh would have been? Uh, it would have been if
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I guess if Miles Teller had been in La La Land,
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it would have been his second collaboration with director Demian Chiselle,
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who he collaborated with on Whiplash. But yeah, it's estimated
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that this film lost the studio in exists of one
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hundred million dollars. And of course, uh, it doesn't uh
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doesn't know that. Josh Rank said something pretty unfavorable, saying,
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and I quote a year ago, I had a fantastic
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version of this and it would have received great reviews.
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You'll probably never see it. That's reality. Though after seeing
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this version, the studio mandated heavy reshoots. The newer scenes
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were easy to spot, as Kate Maarra had a cut
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her hair and wore a blonde wig. Miles Teller also
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had facial hair that would appear in a disappear between shots.
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Box office and analysts have said that Shrink's errant tweet
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may have cost Fox ten million dollars in opening weekend
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ticket sales. Ugh, you know, I do like how Jamie
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Bell is actually shorter than Miles Teller here, but when
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he's the thing, he appears much taller. That is an
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interesting detail. You mean it's much like mine? Huh? Yeah, yeah,
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a few times where it looks like the actors are
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actually having fun. But yeah. After the disappointing reviews, Josh
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Trink went on to tweet that he'll never be working
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on a comic book movie again. Good. You know, I
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don't think we want you to. Don't come on love Low. Yeah.
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Good thing that Sue was working overtime.
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Now.
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Kamara noted that she hadn't seen the movie a month
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after its release and has been very unwilling to watch
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it dude to the intensely negative reception. Gee, I wonder
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if it also has to do with the fact that that,
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you know, Josh Trink was a total dick to her
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on set. Okay, congratulations you made it into the end zone.
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I think, yeah, it's so ugly. You can't even tell
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if you're you made it if it's like, no, they
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cannot hear you.
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Okay, But also you can blame Fantastic for twenty fifteen for.
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If you can blame Fantastic for twenty fifteen for the
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troubled production on the canceled Gambit film that would have
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started a Channing Tatum.
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It's like right as right as they were about to
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as Gambit had finished with the writing the script, Fantastic
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Four bombed at the box office, causing Fox to get
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cold feet and forcing them to And of course they
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told the people working on Gambit that they had to.
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They pretty much slashed the budget on Gambit, forcing them to,
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and they told and they told the director and the
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writers to uh, pretty much created a different story to
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accommodate the lower budget, and this caused creative differences between
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the original director and the It's like to pretty much
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accommodate the budget, and this caused the original director to
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walk out due to creative differences between him and Fox.
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So it was very much a sign of how troubled
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A Gambit was going to be, and Disney's acquisition of
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twentieth Century Fox was the final nail in the cop coffin.
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But yeah, Fantastic Four was the last Fantastic Four movie
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to be made by Made It and produced and or
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distributed by twentieth Century Fox independently before the World Disney
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Company bought Fox in twenty nineteen. Did I mention that
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the music is composed by Arco Beltromi and Philip Glass. Yeah,
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I know Philip Glass best for his composition work on
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Candy Man, but it does. This score is so lame.
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It isn't exciting, you know, and it isn't memorable. Yeah,
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that's a great plan. Totally won't blow up in your face.
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Fantastic Four is the second movie based on a Marvel
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comic book to win the Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Picture.
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The first Marvel movie to win this dishonor was Howard
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the Duck, which also won Worst Screenplay, Worst News Star,
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and Worst Visual Effects. The Fantastic Four franchise is no
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stranger to the Razzies. Jessica Alba was nominated for Worst
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Actress for both Tim Story directed Fantastic four movies and
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Rises The Silver Surfer was nominated for Worst screen Couple
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for al for Jessica Alba in and Ian Gruffud. Fantastic
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Four twenty fifteen one Ratzies for Worst Director, which was
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a first for a Marvel movie and worst remake, ripoff
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or sequel. Fantastic Four was also tied for Worst Picture
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with Fifty Shits of gree Coincidentally, Howard the Duck tied
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for Worst Picture with The Under the Cherry Moon. As
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of this recording on on May twenty seven, twenty twenty six,
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there have only been three instances in which two movies
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have tied for Worst Picture at the Golden Raspberry Awards.
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Well three actually, well, oh yeah, three instances in which
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two movies have tied four Worst Picture of the Golden
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Raspberry Awards. The next Marvel movie to win Worst Picture
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would be Madam Webb so far. Oh yeah, come take
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a look. Total You do not touch the green ooze.
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That should be the first rule when entering an alternate dimension. Yeah,
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now it's starting to look like the hyenas Lava Pita
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hide out in the Lion King with the green. When
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it starts turning green and scar singing, be prepared. Yeah,
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maybe that should be the first rule when entering an
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alternate dimension. Don't touch anything. I mean, I'm autistic and
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even I know that because if you touch anything, things
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will immediately go wrong. That should be the first rule
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when doing interdimensional traveling, honestly. Now, now Victor looks like
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Zazy about to be put into the birdie boiler. Okay, ooh,
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that ecdoplasm does not look pleasant. Not the birdie boiler.
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Up too early and it's fusing the birdie boiler out.
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Yeah and that's yeah, that'll last. I guess we'll see
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him in forty minutes. Yeah, like I said, starting to
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look like the Hyaenus Palace. So prepare for the coup
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of the century. Be prepared for the murkiest scam, meticulous
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planning and case of denial and.
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It and freeze.
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The denial is simply.
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Why I'll be king on disputed, respected, saluted and scene
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for the wonder.
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I am yes, my teeth and ambitions are bared. Be prepared. Yeah,
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I had to uh yeah, I'm sorry. I had to reference.
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I had to reference the Lion King and said, this
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is the only thing that's keeping me sane.
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Now.
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Kate Mara had initially wanted to read Fantastic for comic
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books to prepare for her role as Susan Storm, but
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the filmmakers explained to the cast that it was unnecessary
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as the film was an original story not based directly
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on comics. Oh look, he's flaming on and all the
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rocks are starting to pile onto Ben. Oh no, I
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don't think I can see Sue anymore. Okay, So the
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team now in Ultimate Fantastic for Read, Sue, Johnny and
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Ben get their powers after being exposed to end Zone energy,
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which was caused by Victor van Dam's tampering of the teleporter.
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And now you know, and knowing is only half the battle.
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Now.
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Apparently, Matts Michelson auditioned for the role of Doctor Doom,
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but walked out from his audition. He had also auditioned
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to play Read richardson fantas Astic four, the two thousand
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and five version. Ooh, tosty. I mean, I don't hear
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him screaming.
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Which makes it look like he might be dead.
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Yeah.
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Apparently one of the reasons that Josh Trank took his
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frustrations out on Kate Mara during filming was because he
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actually wanted a black actress to play Susan Storm, but
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Fox said no way, Jose, and so he took those
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frustrations out on her.
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Yeah, it's almost like these stones are starting to fuse
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onto me. It's like Oh my gosh, my legs are stretching.
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Did I get taller?
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That's enough to make him want a faint. Originally, the
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robot Herbie was going to appear in the film, but
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the studio vetoed the idea because they didn't want to
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raise comparison with Tony Stark's Jarvis or the Star Wars Droids.
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But ye got Kid Harrington, Anton Yelchin, Richard Matt and
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Jack O'Connell auditioned for.
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The role of.
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Reed Richards before Miles Teller was cast. Anyway, here's another
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Razzi story. A post production assistant attended the Golden Raspberry
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Awards to accept the award for Worst Remake, ripoff or
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Sequel after accepting these After accepting the award, he said,
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and I quote, I'm sorry for making this movie, but
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thank you for this. Yeah, honestly, anyone would say that.
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But yeah. The white uniforms the team wears on their
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trips to the negative Zone are based on a Fantastic
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Force Future Foundation uniforms. Gosh, I couldn't tell. They looked
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like lame versions of an astronaut suit. Eh, fuck me, Yeah,
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it's less than fifty minutes when until now the team
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finally gets their fucking powers now. Oh Toy, the visual
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effects company that was hired to do work on the film,
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was reportedly in way over their heads with the project
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and had to deal with a generally unresponsive and erratic
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Josh Trink, who requested that the things appearance and size
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shift between certain a number of visual effects sequences, such
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as the scene where the thing fights off insurgents in
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the Middle East, where apparently could due to Fox not
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funding the small company enough to make them work. Ironically,
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the reason they hired O Toy was so that they
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could save on money. Reliance on the company and the
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cost of freshoots ultimately made the whole affair even more expensive. Uh. Oh,
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I can't see Sue. Where'd she go? Oh? There she is?
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I see her now, but barely now. When Stanley was
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asked about his opinion on the human Torch being black,
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stan the man said he was. He very much approved.
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But yeah, Cyroh's Ronan Alison Williams, Emmy Rosamond, Marco Robbie
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auditioned for the role of Sue Storm before Kate Marraw
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was cast. But yeah, Michael B. Jordan ran into Chris Evans,
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who initially played Johnny Storm in Fantastic four two thousand
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and five film in its sequel, at an industry event.
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According to Jordan, they ended up talking about the role
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in Evans told him, man, I can't give you anything.
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You're great, You're awesome. Just do your thing and enjoy it.
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It's gonna be fun. And I swear I feel like, yeah,
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it's like Michael B. Jordan is clearly giving it as all.
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It's crazy to think that ten years after this he
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would star in Cinners and would win an Oscar for it. Actually,
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is Michael B. Jordan the first actor to win an
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Oscar for playing multiple roles? Oh? Okay, actually it isn't
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the first time. Okay, I guess I was kind of wrong. Technically,
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the first actor to win an Oscar for a dual
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performance would have to be Frederick Marsh for his dual
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performance as doctor Jacoline mister Hyde in the nineteen thirty
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one movie Lee. Marvin would also win an Oscar for
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his dual role as the twin brothers Kid Shelin and
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Tim Strong and Kat Blou. But yeah, I guess, but
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it's still cool knowing that I guess.
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Michael B.
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Jordan is the first black actor to win an oscar
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for playing for playing twin characters identical twins, and he's
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really great than that. In fact, I would rather swatch
739
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Michael B. Jordan having sex with Hailey Steinfeld than have
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to record the rest of this. But yeah, Jamie Bell
741
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consulted Andy Serkis, who we worked with on the Adventures
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of Tintin, for assistance on this role as the thing
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for the motion capture. Now here's the thing. Jamie Bell
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is no stranger to motion capture after portraying Tintin in
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the Adventures of Tintin, but this movie actually marks the
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first time thing is portrayed through motion capture and CG
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at all, which I guess is kind of cool. And
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00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.199
there you go and there read runs off buck ass nude.
749
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You would think people would notice a guy running around
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running away buck ass nude, but whatever, Okay, he might
751
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:50.440
find this interesting. I guess this film is the first
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incarnation thing to have five fingers on each hand instead
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of having four on each hand in the comics. I
754
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also feel bad for Tim Blake Nelson in this because
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you know, his character is so wasted. I think his
756
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character's more wasted than his role as the leader in
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the Marvel Cinematic universe, and that's saying something Well never
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explicitly stated. The timeline given in the film would put
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Red and Ben at around seventeen or eighteen, when Reid
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is recruited to the Baxter program, which is funny because
761
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Miles Teller and Jamie Bell were about ten years older
762
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than that at the time of filming. If there's anyone
763
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who did like Fantastic four twenty fifteen, it would have
764
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to be the director of The Room himself. Tommy was
765
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so he was such a fan of the film, he
766
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wanted to direct the sequel. Could you imagine that maybe
767
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one of them, maybe Johnny's like, I did not hit her.
768
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That is not true. That is bullshit. I did not
769
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hit her. I did not. Oh hipen. Yeah. This was
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filmed entirely in the Baton Rouge area. Now Former Fox
771
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CEO Rubert Murdoch expressed the states for the movies, solely
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blaming it for one of Fox's fiscal quarters, earning hundreds
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of millions lower than their expectations. As the thing is
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considerably taller than the other members of the team. Jamie
775
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Bell spent a lot of the production on stilts. Now
776
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Josh Trank made the Storm family of mixed ethnicities to
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represent his view of twenty first century families. Have a
778
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mixed family. When I go home for Christmas, you'll see
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white people and black people. That's normal to me. And Okay,
780
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.000
I guess I kind of see where Josh Trink is
781
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coming from. I mean, I'm a Hispanic man with brown skin.
782
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My sister is Hispanic with white skin because our parents Dad,
783
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I mean, father's brown, Hispanic and mom's white. So you know,
784
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mixed race, which explains why I have such a white
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sounding voice. But yeah, the filmmakers cite Sam raimi Spider
786
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Man Trilogy, David Cronenberg's The Fly, and Scanners and Chronicle
787
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.159
as influence on the film. Maybe here's a bright idea,
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don't use Scanners and The Fly as an influence. Yeah,
789
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:55.559
totally not the negative zone. Also, yeah, this is the
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00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:57.920
first time in a live action fantastic for a movie
791
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in which the thing is not wearing pants or boots.
792
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I guess you could say he's wearing nothing at all,
793
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nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all.
794
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Now.
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00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:18.159
During a conversation with the Emmy magazine in October twenty twenty,
796
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Katemar admitted that she had a horrible experience on fantics
797
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Fantastic four, she pointed out that she had had that
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she had two horrenous experiences working with male directors and added,
799
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have I not gotten along with a female director? Absolutely?
800
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And was it not the greatest work experience. Sure, but
801
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there was never a time that I felt this is
802
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.840
happening because I'm a woman, where with the male directors
803
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it was only happening with me. It was a power
804
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dynamic thing. Okay, Yeah, During production, Josh Trank had several
805
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small dogs who were left in a rented house in
806
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New Orleans while the film was shooting there. The dogs
807
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caused us which is one hundred thousand, one hundred thousand
808
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dollars damage to the property. In fact, one of the
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guys at Fox had to come over to the rental
810
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place to apologize and pay for it. Now, Kate Mara
811
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dyed her hair after feeling was completed, and she had
812
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to wear a wig four reshoots. And yes, I can
813
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:26.480
actually notice the blonde wig as well. And of course
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Jessica Alba had also worn a wig in a Fantastic
815
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four rise of the Silver Surfer. Okay, I got a
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00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:41.079
joke for you, writer, Simon Kinberg described the story as
817
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a celebration of all the Fantastic Four comics, the notion
818
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of this dysfunctional, surrogate family of scientists that come together
819
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and this idea that is almost more like a science
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adventure than a superhero film. I don't see it as
821
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a celebration, Okay, I guess I'll talk about these lame
822
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ass suits, because my god, these suits suck. They suck
823
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more than the Henry Cavill's Superman suit in Man of Steel.
824
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Yeah.
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I know, I can't take that back, but it's true now.
826
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The movie's costume designer was George L. Little. Fantastic Four
827
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twenty fifteen was the last project that Georgia Little did
828
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before his death on August twenty ninth, twenty fourteen. Other
829
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films he did costume designs and assisting for were Apocalypse Now,
830
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the Yeomen remake, Airplane Two, Red Dawn, Sliver Strip Tease,
831
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The Peacemaker, and I mean the Peacemaker being the first
832
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DreamWorks film not the DC comics character Galaxy Quest, jar Head,
833
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hurt Locker, Zero, Dark Thirty, Warm Bodies, and Transcendents. The
834
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movie was screened for critics a mere two days before
835
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.920
it was released in the United States. However, the movie
836
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was intended to be premiered in several regions before then,
837
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which did not have screenings for critics either, and then
838
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.800
the international premieres were delayed until after the United States premiere,
839
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:27.880
which essentially means that the movie was only screened for
840
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:31.039
critics at the eleventh hour, at which point it might
841
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:33.239
as well not have been screened for them at all.
842
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.760
The online embargo lasted until two days before the release date,
843
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:53.079
and the print and bargo lasted until the release date. Originally,
844
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:56.760
Joshtren contended that this film be connected to its previous film, Chronicle.
845
01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.159
The idea was next but the negative zone contains a
846
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:03.280
crystal similar to those seen in that film. Up, She's
847
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:05.960
wearing a wig. She's wearing a wig. You can totally
848
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.719
see it. Look at that. It's more now an hour in.
849
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:31.559
Sasha Peters auditioned for the roll of Susan Storm but
850
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.440
was considered too young for the part, and the film
851
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:36.519
was planned to be shot in Vancouver for Canada, but
852
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:39.400
was moved to Louisiana due to the state film's production
853
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:45.239
tax incentives. But Yeah, the reshoots bumped the budget up
854
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.480
from one hundred and twenty two million dollars to one
855
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.960
hundred and fifty five million dollars, and it dropped sixty
856
01:01:50.079 --> 01:02:02.159
nine percent at its second weekend sixty nine. Also, this
857
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.840
is the first Fantastic Four film adaptation that does not
858
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:27.039
feature the character Alicia Masters. Yeah. Now, Katemara joined at
859
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.199
the cast because she liked superhero movies and wanted to
860
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:41.440
play a superheroin herself. But yeah, Mark Millar served as
861
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:52.199
a creative consultant. Now Miles Tiller recalled when I first
862
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.559
saw the movie, I remember talking to one of the
863
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.400
studio heads and said, I think we're in trouble. That
864
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:04.280
really does say something you're gonna hate this. Amber Heard
865
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.320
was rumored for the role of Sue's Storm. I doubt
866
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:10.159
that would have done anything. I bet you. I wonder
867
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:13.400
if how much I bet you if Amber Heard was
868
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:18.159
if Amber Heard was a gasta Sue's Storm and saw
869
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.239
the way Josh Trank was treating her, she'd be turned
870
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.519
on and she'd probably abuse him and then uh, and
871
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:26.360
then she'd probably shit on Josh Shrank's bed. Okay, Yeah,
872
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:30.599
I think I regret making that joke. That shape shifting
873
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:47.760
power is so stupid. Also, I guess I kind of
874
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.119
forgot to mention this because I was so busy ranting.
875
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.400
And now Victor speculates that the military may use the
876
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.920
other dimension as a prison for criminals. Ironically, Reid did
877
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.559
this with the Negative Zone in the Marvel comic A
878
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:01.320
Civil War.
879
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:18.119
Now.
880
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.960
Originally, the Fantastic Car was going to appear in this film.
881
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:24.400
Read and Johnny would combine their talents to build a
882
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.880
car with a quantum git installed in it to take
883
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.880
the four to the negative Zone. This was scrapp due
884
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:31.519
to the costs, and in the final film the four
885
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:37.519
simply followed close on Doom's tail to the zone. Ooh
886
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:45.920
what's this? Ooh cpt dash n N three Captain Nemo.
887
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:50.039
How subtle. It's a good thing that Sue was able
888
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.679
to get that reference to track Read. How smart, totally
889
01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:08.159
not stupid at all. Does Ben even eat or need
890
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:11.639
to use the bathroom? Does he even have a butthole?
891
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:23.159
Imagine a rocky butthole? Yep, he's busted a bubba bah
892
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:30.280
bah busted. You think this is the real Read?
893
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:32.880
You know?
894
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.960
The most frustrating part about this is reads cig for
895
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:40.079
the stretching feels, you know, like it's not even like
896
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:45.559
it's barely finished. It's really crummy. This is his crummiest
897
01:05:46.360 --> 01:06:00.119
hes Benny. Yeah, a good thing he ducked. You know,
898
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.239
it would have been funny if Ben punched a read
899
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.440
in the face and then so like then uh, the
900
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.280
Read's face stretches on impact. But then again, that would
901
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.079
have been too cartoonyan Josh Trent doesn't want to portray
902
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:23.119
this as a cartoon. Hmm, yeah, so numb to the pain.
903
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:32.280
Also interesting fact, I remember reading an article about uh
904
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about uh about what they were the many designs they
905
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.840
were going through for Ben's rocky appearance, And they had
906
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.880
gone through so many designs, and they initially they thought
907
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.559
about making him like look like a literal thing, you know,
908
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.239
like I even thought about making him resemble Quasi Moto
909
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.480
from The Hunchback of Notre Dame. But eventually they realized
910
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:53.840
that was a bad idea, and they were like, let's
911
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.679
just go with this comic book design. And yeah, I
912
01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.519
guess it looks fine when I can actually see it
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look at me. Yeah, I don't blame the Yeah, Ben
914
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.440
looks uh has every reason to be mad. He can't
915
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:24.079
even play with his thing anymore because his thing disappeared.
916
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:28.960
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist making an immature dick joke
917
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:33.239
like that. But yeah, it does make me wonder where
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01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.440
the hell is this thing? Is he even able to
919
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:42.239
take a piss anymore? Imagine? Or does he have a
920
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:46.280
retractable thing that pops up whenever he needs to take
921
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:49.880
a piss or to the or to the stones, just
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01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.920
like a form out That way his uh, his thing
923
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:57.280
could come out so that he could so we could.
924
01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:59.280
Take a piss.
925
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:07.639
Oh, look, Sue's weird the wig again? Oh man, this
926
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:11.960
recording explaining me on a roller coaster. At first I'm angry,
927
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and now just I'm thinking, okay, you know what, I'll
928
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:16.359
just find reasons to be.
929
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Absurd about it. Oh hey, Sue, I didn't see you coming. Okay,
930
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.560
to be fair, I guess if it wasn't a wig,
931
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i'd say. Kate Mara does look cute? Yeah, famous last words?
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01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:56.279
Who on the bright side? On the bright side through
933
01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:01.039
all this, Kate Mara and Jamie Bell fell in love
934
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while working on this and they eventually married and they're
935
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.840
still married nine years after getting married. And you know what,
936
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:11.600
that's nice, that's great. You know, I'm happy for Katemar
937
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:17.000
and Jamie Bell, it's good to know that they Yeah,
938
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:24.239
interestingly and the Ultimate Fantastic Four comics on which the
939
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:28.840
film is based, Ben and Sue get married, and Yeah,
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01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:33.600
I think it's funny how life imitates art, and I
941
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:37.239
think it's sweet. It would be fun to explore their
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01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:39.119
aha moments where they're like, oh my gosh, I'm in
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love with this person.
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Now.
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01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:47.800
Ironically enough, while Jamie Bell and Katemar are now a
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01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:50.479
married couple, their characters don't actually have a single direct
947
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:54.319
conversational exchange throughout the entire film. The only time Ben
948
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:57.039
Grimm and Susan Storms speak to each other is at
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01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:59.039
the end, and even then they're not speaking to the
950
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:07.680
rest of the group, not solely to each other. Ah,
951
01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:14.840
look at that doesn't look bad after blowing up, you know,
952
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:17.880
I guess, uh, you know, Tim Blake Neilson does kind
953
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:20.880
of look like a mole. Okay, maybe I'm being too mean,
954
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.359
which is a great way to describe the movie in
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01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:39.920
a nutshell. Good Lord, this film could be brighter. Actually, wait,
956
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.199
I wonder if I can just just the bright Oh wait,
957
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.560
I have the This is as bright as my iPad
958
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:51.039
will let it. Good Lord, Hulk two thousand and three
959
01:10:51.159 --> 01:11:00.279
was much brighter than this. Yeah, after all, he is
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01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.960
a super genius. After all, he is something of a
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01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:31.319
scientist himself. Mhm, five minutes. Yeah, I can tell this
962
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:34.600
is clearly the reshoots, since Michael now has his facial
963
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:47.399
hair that would be seen in in in Creed. Interestingly,
964
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:52.119
Miles Teller has collaborated with Brie Larsen and Melissa B.
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01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:56.960
Noist before they were cast in their respective superhero roles.
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01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:00.800
You know, Alis Eve was also rumored for the role
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01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:11.880
of Sue Storm. Interestingly, Jamie Bill was considered to play
968
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:25.000
Spider Man in The Amazing Spider Man. Also, this brief
969
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.159
moment of these two just hugging it out because they're
970
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:30.800
so happy to see each other. That's the real life
971
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:34.600
chemistry of Miles Teller and Michael B. Jordan right there.
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Because you have to remember, this is technically the second
973
01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:42.159
time in which Miles Teller and Michael B. Jordan collaborated
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01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:45.119
on a project together, because they also collaborated on the
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01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:48.119
comedy that awkward moment which resulted in a real life
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01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:52.720
friendship between Teller and Jordan. And it's funny. I swear
977
01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:58.199
it's like Reid claims to be best friends with Ben Grimm,
978
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:01.199
and he's supposed to be in love with Susan Storms
979
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:05.720
supposedly here. But I swear Miles Teller has more chemistry
980
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:10.039
with Michael b Jordan here than he does with Katemarra
981
01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:14.920
and Jamie Bell, which is hilariously ironic. And you know,
982
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:20.119
despite everything that happened, despite despite the fallout, but the
983
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:23.760
fallout between Josh Trink and the other actors, it's nice
984
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:28.399
to note that ten years later, Miles Teller and Michael
985
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:31.880
b Jordan have still remained good friends to this day.
986
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:35.039
In fact, Miles Tayler was very supportive of Michael B
987
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.840
Jordan winning his Oscar for his dual performance in Sinners.
988
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:44.720
So it does make me happy knowing that Miles and
989
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:48.720
Michael are still good friends to this day. Yeah, like
990
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:52.479
I said, I swear Miles and Michael have more chemistry
991
01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:56.960
here than Miles has with the other actors. That's really
992
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:00.199
saying something. And you know, Michael also has good chemistry
993
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.199
with Reggie Cathy. They really do are They're very convincing
994
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:05.920
as a father and son. Oh what's this, I'm actually
995
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:09.520
saying something nice about Fantastic four twenty fifteen Yeah. The
996
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:11.640
thing that frustrates me is that it does have some
997
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:14.560
good ideas. You know, I really do wish that that
998
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:19.600
reach relationship with Sue was actually was actually explored. No, looks,
999
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:24.279
Sue's wearing a Sue's wearing a freaking wig. Oh look
1000
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:27.520
at that. We're seventy four minutes in and now Victor
1001
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:33.279
von Doom finally shows up. Fuck me, yep, it looks
1002
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:37.239
like they are gonna be the next villain. And this
1003
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:40.720
is by this point that's not even a Toby Klepbel
1004
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.439
as Victor Von as doctor Doom. Here, it's some stand
1005
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:53.880
in with Toby Klebbel, just just like dubbing the lines. U. Okay,
1006
01:14:53.920 --> 01:15:04.840
now I have to look okay to be Keble. Why
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01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:12.159
did I say Keble? Oh no, he's barely registering and no,
1008
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:18.039
look she's wearing a wig. Again. Did Toby Keble do
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01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:39.199
dubbing during reshoots of Fantastic? Oh?
1010
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:39.600
Wow?
1011
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:44.239
So Toby Keble was pretty much left the project pretty much.
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01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:47.680
He doesn't even voice doctor Doom in Uh, he doesn't
1013
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.439
even voice doctor Doom in this.
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01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:50.800
Yeah.
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01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:55.039
I can imagine Toby's very frustrated and to infuriated I am,
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01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:58.680
I mean, yeah, I don't like this version of Doctor Doobe.
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01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:02.079
The idea of of his suit being fused and turned
1018
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:04.439
into organic metal. That sounds like a cool idea, but
1019
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:10.000
it looks lame. The design is so fucking lame. And yeah,
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01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:13.079
he wasn't even I hate that Toby Kemble wasn't even present,
1021
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.079
and I hate that they replaced him with some other
1022
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:19.479
guy who doesn't even sound per good. Yeah, I would
1023
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:21.880
rather have Jim Cummings voicing Doctor Doom here, like that
1024
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:27.279
would make a difference. I mean, seriously, this version of
1025
01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:33.079
Doctor Doom here looks like a crash test dummy doing
1026
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:46.520
his best impression of a gimp. Yeah, yeah, it's like Magneto.
1027
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:51.359
This guy is not. And so I think I'll be
1028
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:57.000
the villain because we have twenty four minutes left. Oh no,
1029
01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:04.199
you know. The most frustrating part is why did they
1030
01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:07.479
keep on messing up Doom. The funny fark part is
1031
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.880
like when George Lucas was working on Darth Vader, he
1032
01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:14.560
based Darth Vader's design supposedly on Doctor Doom as well
1033
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:22.560
as Samurai Warriors. Would have been so much cooler if
1034
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:28.359
Harvey had lived and they had instead and he survived.
1035
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:33.039
This encounter, but it left him disfigured. But nope, they
1036
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:36.319
had decided to kill him off because this film doesn't
1037
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:40.720
believe in the potential good lord, you know, and his design,
1038
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.079
like I said, is so lame. I'll give the electro
1039
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.960
in The Amazing Spider Man to credit. At least it
1040
01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:55.840
looks interesting. It looks somewhat interesting. Yeah, I feel like, Yeah,
1041
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:58.720
this makes me long for the villains from the Amazing
1042
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:02.760
Spider Man films as well as uh specs. We look
1043
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:09.399
forward to uh Francis in uh Francis in Deadpool, which
1044
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:15.239
I'm looking forward to. Woop they did Ah that is
1045
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:22.840
so ruthless. But he's so lame. Ugh, maybe they should
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01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:32.800
have left Victor alone. H Apparently three action scenes were
1047
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.119
cut from the final film Gosh, I can't tell.
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01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:53.520
Yeah.
1049
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:55.800
Though it was reported that Josh Shrink was fired from
1050
01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.279
the Boba Fet spinoff due to the production issues of
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01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.479
this film, he maintains it was his decision to leave
1052
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.319
the project, explaining, I quit because I knew I was
1053
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:05.840
going to be fired if I didn't quit. But yeah,
1054
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:20.039
he was technically fired because of Fantastic Four. Also, Josh
1055
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.960
Gadd was Fox's initial choice for the role of Ben Grimm.
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01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:37.520
Oh rude, Yeah, she missed opportunity for Johnny to say, whoops, sorry,
1057
01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:54.039
Sue didn't see you there. Oh, like he's a dog.
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01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:03.039
This is my home. Here among my trappings, those were
1059
01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:19.760
now I am home now. Originally this film was supposed
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01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.680
to be converted in three D, and it was tout
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01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:25.600
of this being impressive by Simon Kinberg, but was canceled
1062
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.359
to fund reshoots. It was even edited out of the
1063
01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:31.319
initial poster that advertised that the movie would be shown
1064
01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:33.840
in three D in the first place, although the line
1065
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:38.079
in premium large format theaters still appears. Look at that
1066
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:52.880
the only interesting character gets killed off. Of course, now
1067
01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:56.840
Eddie Redmain, Jack Houston, Dominoll Gleason, and Samurili were considered
1068
01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:00.560
to play Doctor Doom before Toby Kepple was cast and
1069
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:12.239
the uncredited schmuck. In May of twenty twenty, Just Trink
1070
01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:15.680
acknowledged the problems he had on Fantastic Four. What I
1071
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:18.239
tried to do with Fantastic four was so arrogant for
1072
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.680
somebody who hadn't really gotten the handle of his own
1073
01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:23.119
skill set as a filmmaker to do that kind of
1074
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:26.439
stuff with it, He told the Hollywood he told Hollywood Reporter.
1075
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:29.039
He also added that he's not interested in releasing a
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01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:33.479
trink cut because there's no need. I doubt the trink
1077
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:38.720
cut would have been good now, as the thing is
1078
01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:41.439
considerably taller than the other members of the team. Jamie
1079
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:51.239
Bell spent a lot of the production on stilts. Simon
1080
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:54.960
Kinberg stated in an interview that he was disappointed with
1081
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:57.880
this way the film turned out, but stopped short of
1082
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:00.520
blaming any one element in particular, saying that he still
1083
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.000
leaves that there is potential for a great Fantastic Four
1084
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:05.119
movie to be made with the cast and crew. But
1085
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:07.920
for whatever reason, this project just wasn't it. Maybe it
1086
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.000
has a lot to do with Josh Trink himself. Yeah,
1087
01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:20.000
hiring him was a big mistake. Now, A sequence showing
1088
01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:22.279
Ben Grimm performing a dive bomb attack in the film
1089
01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:41.880
was cut for pacing purposes, despite being present in several trailers. Now,
1090
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:46.039
if the film had been successful, which I doubt, you know,
1091
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:48.920
there would have been a sequel in twenty seventeen which
1092
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:52.920
would have had Galactus San Nihilis as the villains. Like
1093
01:22:52.920 --> 01:23:03.720
that would amount to anything. Yeah. Toby Kevile expressed disappointment
1094
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:07.239
in the film He claimed to understand why fans were disappointed,
1095
01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:09.720
and noted that he still saw his pardon in the
1096
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:13.239
movie as a learning experience. Yeah, learned to not let
1097
01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:22.600
someone like Josh Trink direct a Marvel movie.
1098
01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:32.479
Flame on here.
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01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:49.119
Yeah, three whole action scenes. Now. I remember seeing the
1100
01:23:49.159 --> 01:23:52.319
promotional posters for the film, which depicted the city in
1101
01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:55.279
shambles from destruction, implying an action sequence said in the city,
1102
01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:58.720
but of course, no surprise, none of that happens in
1103
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:17.159
the film. Apparently the studio thought Josh Shrink's original version
1104
01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:32.640
was too violent. Ugh yawn. Oh yeah, my portal's eating
1105
01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:35.039
up those uh hidden up those cars like I munch
1106
01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:42.800
on nuts. I can't see you. Where are you? Oh,
1107
01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:56.720
there you are, I can see you now. Bah that
1108
01:24:56.840 --> 01:25:10.439
a sil clichde. Yeah, starting a good leggy. Yeah, this
1109
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:13.760
is It's a good thing. I'm recording this on my iPad,
1110
01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:17.199
where at least I can somewhat see it. Imagine trying
1111
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:22.199
to see this on an old TV screen. And this
1112
01:25:22.319 --> 01:25:26.399
is as bright as my uh as my iPad is. Yeah,
1113
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:30.119
apparently I forgot to mention this. I guess Victor von
1114
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:35.840
Doom was infatuated with with Susan, but we barely see anything.
1115
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:38.039
Do I like the idea of Victor von Doom being
1116
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:42.600
infatuated with Susan Storm and getting jealous over read and
1117
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:45.880
Susan starting your romantic relationship? Yes, I do like this idea,
1118
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:50.800
but I would, but sadly it's barely explored upon, which
1119
01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:58.600
is so damn frustrating. Yeah, goodbye, Susan.
1120
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:29.039
Get back up, yip Dick.
1121
01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:37.279
You know it's crazy to think that Jeremy Slater would
1122
01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:41.800
then write a Mortal Kombat two after this, And yes,
1123
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:53.119
Mortal Kombat two is so much better than Fantastic four. Yeah,
1124
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:55.720
like I said, I mean, I'm frustrated that Doctor Doom
1125
01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.880
appears in the last twenty seven minutes, like it makes
1126
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:04.159
any difference. It's sad that the Amazing Spider Man too
1127
01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:18.720
is somehow better than Fantastic four twenty fifteen. Yeah, trying
1128
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:27.840
to be a motivational leader. Yeah, we made this mess.
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01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:37.439
We better clean it up. Look at him rising above
1130
01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:59.399
his kingdom. Yeah, then I'll be satisfied. He could have
1131
01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:02.399
been taught and be all like, seriously, do you think
1132
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:13.319
that's the best that could stop me toasty? It's like,
1133
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:19.720
and that's another thing, this climax, the cig feels so unfinished. Also,
1134
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:25.439
fun fact, apparently the ending was filmed during reshoots. Yeah,
1135
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:27.680
apparently they had been This was what that they had
1136
01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:35.520
been planning. H not a great plan. It's a good
1137
01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:44.680
thing Doom. Can't hear those footsteps once again? That's line.
1138
01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:47.359
The way he delivers it feels so unconvincing because Michael
1139
01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:58.880
Chiklis delivered it better. Oh you're afraid it won't work. Yeah,
1140
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:03.359
imagine if they had gone with something cliched like no
1141
01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:12.399
or Ah or my favorite you haven't Seen the Last
1142
01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:20.920
of Doom FeH, and a green explosion to indicate that
1143
01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:26.279
Doom is defeated. Well, look at that. My thoughts exactly
1144
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:36.640
out of the the end zone and back to earth. Eugh.
1145
01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:40.560
And I hate this music. It's so generic and lame.
1146
01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:45.920
Does not sound exciting at all. This makes me get
1147
01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:48.880
a you know, it's sad how Michael Giacchino's score for
1148
01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:53.239
Fantastic four First Steps is so much better. Oh, that
1149
01:29:53.319 --> 01:30:01.880
intimate shoulder touch kind of looks like a damn Hugh,
1150
01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:15.680
they will never know what you sacrificed. I swear it
1151
01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:18.399
looks like During filming, Michael was genuinely hungry and one
1152
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:27.119
of the one of the snack on the croissants. Yeah,
1153
01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:44.960
a Baxter building. Then it's clober in time. Yeah, yeah
1154
01:30:45.000 --> 01:31:06.399
a lot. Ugh swhere, Philip Glass's talents are totally wasted here. Yeah,
1155
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:12.479
they're just arriving. Yeah, it looks like Johnny Beater to
1156
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:18.359
the to the curb when it comes to reason. Ugh
1157
01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:22.479
you and uh yeah, it's a shame that stan Lee
1158
01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:25.199
couldn't appear in the film. Maybe it's for the better.
1159
01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:28.199
I bet you. Josh Trank would have treated stan Lee
1160
01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:41.479
like like trash Central City, like the Flash. Yeah, the
1161
01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:57.000
four building. Okay, gosh, it looks so impressive, which is
1162
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:07.960
a nice tribute up. Look Sue's wearing a wig. Yeah,
1163
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:16.079
we're a family of superheroes human Torch to torch jets.
1164
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:26.800
Even Ben hates that big brand and his neurons. Huh, bitch,
1165
01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:38.319
what you just say? Be nice? He's my future boyfriend. Yeah, great, Scott,
1166
01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:50.960
it's fantastic. Yeah say that again. I said it's fantastic. Yeah,
1167
01:32:51.239 --> 01:33:01.119
fantastic and title card because the fantastic name Fantastic four
1168
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:04.239
is never mentioned. Reid is never mentioned as mister Fantastic,
1169
01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:07.920
Sue's never mentioned as an invisible woman. Huban Torch isn't mentioned,
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Johnny Storm mist mentioned as Huban Torch. Fucking hey, God,
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this this movie fucking sucks. Yeah. I mean I had
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more fun watching Hulk two thousand and three and doing
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Daredevil than I did with Fantastic Four. And the worst
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part is this film wasted its potential. I mean, yes,
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I don't like this film. I kind of hate it,
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but I don't initially despise it. I mean, I have
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mixed feelings about the twenty fifteenth film. On the one hand,
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Reggie Kathy and Michael B. Jordan are good. I like
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the scenes with Kathy and Jordan, and I like that
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they play like a bickering father and son who pretty
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much who don't see eyed eye. I think that's good,
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and I like Jordan's chemistry with Miles Teller. But the
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suits are boring and they're not memorable. Doctor Doom is lame. Man.
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It frustrates me that Doom appears near the last twenty
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seven minutes. There isn't build up or anticipation like Thanos
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or Magneto. He doesn't have a presence that makes me care.
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The camaraderie feels limited, and this film could have benefited.
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I mean, I don't know if the film could have
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benefited from being longer, but they could have reduced the
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origin time, maybe have it focused on the comrade, the
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building camaraderie and pretty much reads eventual romance with Susan Storm.
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I mean, this film is a mess. The worst part
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is because the film failed, it resulted and it's like
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Fox was able to keep the rights to the Fantastic
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Four franchise and we the fans have to suffer for it.
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And I do believe that this film is the reason
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that Disney was motivated to buy twenty first century Fox.
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I believe that is the case. But anyway, this film sucks.
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I hate it and just any potential it did have
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was wasted because of Josh Frank's incompetence. Yeah, this film,
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and thankfully the film did damage his reputation and it
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really does deserve the reputation of being a bad film. Anyway,
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but that was my commentary on commentary companions. This was
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a rough one to do, but anyway, I look forward
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to doing a commentary on Deadpool, which is a massive
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improvement and the film that Fox needed. But anyway, thanks
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for listening to this commentary. Be sure to like and subscribe.
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Don't have a good day, have a great day, have
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a fantastic day.