Triangle

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Welcome back everyone to another episode of Cinema De More, your host Chuck, joined by Justin.
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We're back, moving on, talking about some new movies. Not new movies,
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they're old movies, but they're new to us.
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That's all. It's a big day today, it's the day that we're recording.
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It's April 20th, aka Speed Racer is back in IMAX.
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That's the highlight of today for you. That's the highlight of probably the
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first half of the year. Yeah.
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I mean, what are you looking forward to? I have an idea. Just Godzilla.
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Yeah, so Speed Racer. The first three quarters of the year for you.
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Yeah, it'll be a while. A while before I get anything good there,
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but it's Godzilla. It's always good.
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Well, it's Japanese Godzilla. Japanese Godzilla's always good.
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American Godzilla, not always highest quality.
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This time we're talking about the 2009 film Triangle really sucks in with that
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name we need to cover all of our geometry related films we'll do Cube next time,
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or Triangle of Sadness,
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there's The Circle that's another one we can just say as many shapes I never saw Cube or The Circle,
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Cube's good I never saw The Circle either.
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I heard The Circle was not good, but unless we watch True Detective and listen
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to Russ Cole talk about time being a circle, we could do a whole podcast on that.
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Might run out of shapes pretty quickly. I mean, there's not...
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I think there is one called The Square.
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I think that's another one I haven't seen, but I just remember there being a movie called Square.
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Well, me and you gotta start writing like the trapezoid now.
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Yeah, that's what I was saying. were like the rhombus of doom rhombus of doom
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all our movies are just all just they're all just shapes they're really out
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there shapes that people don't think about often enough.
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But yeah that's it's an interesting movie and though interesting in the fact
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the first thing that threw me off was i knew this was i knew most of the actors
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in this movie are australian so i was expecting it to be set in australia and
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then it's in like florida or something I was like,
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I don't know why they wouldn't just set this in Australia and have them talk
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in their normal accents, but maybe they were trying to just appeal more broadly.
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I guess. Is Melissa George from Australia too? I think she's either,
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I think she's British or Australian.
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She's not one of ours. That's what you're trying to say. Sorry,
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Wikipedia does say she is an Australian and American actress. She's both.
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Because she has dual citizenship, but she's from Australia.
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Gotcha. And like I said, I'm pretty sure most of the rest of them,
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I know Liam Hemsworth is Australian, and
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yeah just looking at everyone else they're all australian so
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just feels like i don't know why why they didn't just
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have them because i always feel like anyone doing
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an american accent it always like it can affect their performance like they
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sound more natural if they were just speaking in their natural dialect the way
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they talk but again i don't maybe just because they were trying to like advertise
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this more more to people in america get people to watch it so they made everyone be Americans.
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But yeah, they're on a boat called the Triangle and they're.
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You know, it's like Gilligan's Island, except instead of the island,
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they find that old steamship. They got lost. It was supposed to be a three-hour tour.
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I think it might have sold better if it sold itself as Gilligan's Island.
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As a version of Gilligan's Island.
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Yeah, I feel like this is maybe not always well-executed movie,
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but interesting in the sense of where it goes.
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I don't think even where it goes all the time like entirely works but,
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yeah it feels like there's there's
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moments in it where it feels like that feels like a plot hole but it's
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a you know it's a time loop movie you know spoiler alert that's what this movie
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is they're in a groundhog day like situation they keep reliving the same way
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when you brought up just a few moments ago that they're mostly Australian their,
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acting comes off so weird Like, no character really seems to have any emotion behind them.
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And it could be a part of the bigger picture, but I would like to think that
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it just, it was just poor choices all along the way.
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Like, there's a moment where, you know, they're on that sailboat that basically
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the storm comes out of fucking nowhere and,
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It's almost very Lost-esque. Like, it's even a strange-looking kind of storm that hits them.
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And like you said, this boat saves them.
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They know there's at least one person on the boat, but the boat's too big for
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one person to run the whole thing by themselves.
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And so it starts off very quickly, like, we are not alone on this ship.
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And like one of the first react for
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one of the first interactions that they have with the person
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that's on the boat is they hear this like clanking
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sound and the person had
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thrown or dropped a pair of keys and liam hemsworth who's this is his debut
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film i think or one or close to it probably i mean 2009 that would have been
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i mean was that even before uh what year was thor i think thor was a 2010 movie or something.
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So Liam beat his brother. I mean, obviously Chris Hemsworth's gone on to much
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bigger things since then, but it does feel kind of surprising that a major movie
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was released in America.
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Again, not that it did super huge. I don't even know that it got a full theatrical
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run, probably maybe limited release, and then was in video stores, but.
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It's surprising to see a movie this old, and there's Liam Hemsworth when everyone
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knows Chris, more or less.
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Yeah, but I was going to say, that scene, and he's pretty much like this through the whole movie.
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He's like, I'm going to go check that out. He just kind of wanders off.
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He almost seems like he's on drugs or something, and he lacks any emotion.
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But he's going through the motions. in almost every scene.
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He has an odd relationship in the beginning anyway, because it's very odd.
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When they first all get on the boat, there's Greg's the captain. It's his boat.
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He lives there. I guess he lives on the boat, they keep saying,
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or at least lives near it. And his friend's,
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downy and i think sarah's the other woman's name
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uh or sally and they they bring
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they bring another woman with them heather and they're
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like like oh every year we go on these boat trips and they
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try to set me up with another girl and like the guy's like
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i don't know you're the one living with an 18 year old boy by
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yourself you're the weirdo here and it's like it's such a and she
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even asks yeah he says don't do you guys sunbathe together
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in the nudes sometimes and he's like sometimes we do
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yeah i think yeah he like melissa george
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asks him about he's like so where'd you meet victor and he's like uh he's a
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runaway i found him on the streets and asked him to come live with me and it's
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like it is it's like what is this relationship you found some kid on the streets
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and you're like yeah come live on my boat with me by yourself right and he instantly
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hates melissa george because,
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he's like she told me that she didn't bring her kid because he's in school and
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it's saturday fuck that bitch and I'm like whoa what the hell like that was
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a very intense reaction yeah.
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Like I don't know you he could be in detention or something without knowing
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anything about the child oh yeah,
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well they say it's because he's autistic so he's they're like he's at a special
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needs school they're open seven days a week so that's that's that's where he assumes she's at but,
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yeah once they once they get on anger into the rest of the movie with me Once they get on the boat,
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yeah, it's all weird, weird things happening with time.
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They find a giant buffet of food that looks brand new, but then later they come
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back and it's all rotted, like completely gone.
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So time seemingly keeps going, fluctuating depending on where you're at at what time.
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Sometimes she sees blood before the character should have been bleeding there.
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like the first twist was the worst twist because I expected it.
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It was too obvious. Yeah, the first twist, yeah.
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I mean, the first twist being that Melissa George is the killer because it points
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to her so frequently from the fact that when, like you mentioned,
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the character that's on the boat drops their keys and she's like, those are my keys.
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And it's like, well, how would your keys get on the boat? Like if they weren't,
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if you didn't have them, like how, who has your keys other than you?
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And then it's from there, it does, it keeps pointing.
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And every time they're like, they said it was you.
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You're the one that did it. They keep saying it's you. So as soon as you,
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as soon as you get that first twist that she's the killer, it's like, well, yeah, no, no duh.
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Cause everything kept pointing to her being the killer.
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Right. The keys, Hemsworth just comes out of nowhere choking her.
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Yeah. Um, what's that guy? Is his name Greg?
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Yeah, Greg says that she shot him.
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Yeah, they're like, he said this was you.
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Yeah. Get out of here, it wasn't me. There is a throne in there.
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The director does manage to work in a Shining reference.
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Maybe a few. I mean, yeah, there could be some other. I mean.
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Ghosts being on the ship, something like that.
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But yeah, there's a room 237. it's one of the rooms that they go into frequently,
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there's an axe yeah guy really liked The Shining what can you say he has a son she has a son I don't know,
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he's connected all back.
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Yeah. Yeah, her first interaction with the killer who's wearing basically the
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burlap sack mask from Friday the 13th Part 2 and actually doesn't seem like a terrible killer.
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Although a lot of the scenes up to that point and including that point are choreographed very poorly.
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So I'm giving the big picture the benefit of the doubt and not so much like the action sequences,
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where like the person hesitates to shoot them,
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fights them off my favorite shot in the whole movie though was probably when
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she was crawling over the balcony
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and the killer just chucked the fucking gun at her yeah it's always,
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and knocked them off you get that scene replayed a couple times and it's funny
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every time when they just takes that rifle and throws it at her.
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I mean, it's still one of the few times where the killer or whoever in a movie
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has run out of bullets and throws the gun and the gun actually does something.
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Yeah, that moment, every time they replay it, that moment is funny in the movie.
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It cracked me up the first time, but yeah, I laughed every time they did it again.
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Yeah, and then they do a thing too, like before
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the killers killed the in
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the very beginning of the movie pretty much they're talking
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and you can't hear
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what they're saying but they definitely sound like melissa george or like a
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a woman talking real faintly or something you could tell it's a woman in there
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and i guess from there is whenever she starts to realize that she's in a loop.
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I mean, I guess at that point we don't know that it's a time loop.
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I knew this was a time loop movie
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going into it, so I didn't know exactly how it was going to play out.
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I still have questions about it, but I do like the idea of like,
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okay, now that she's seeing the perspective, now that she realizes that she's the person on the boat,
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Who they see in silhouette. How does she get to the point. Where she's going
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to be hunting people down. And why is she trying to kill them.
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And. I don't know. I think shortly after that. There's that scene where she. Loses her locket.
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Like down in a. I don't know. Like a greet.
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Yeah. And it's like a ton of them. Which just immediately tells you that.
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This loop's already happened. With her specifically.
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At least. 20 or so times it's happened a lot,
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and I do like that she finds out like quickly that,
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there's not two of them there's three of them cause she's still like there's
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another person here that I'm not aware of who this person is yet and it's like
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oh it's me like it's gotta be me.
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Yeah it's there's a
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lot of implications that the loop happens multiple times before this and it's
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like I guess it's sometimes who knows maybe at various times there's like four
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or five of them running around at any given time depending on how everything
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plays out but presumably the one in the mask tries to kill them every time,
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but yeah I would say it's a solid three if it's a triangle the movie's a triangle
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it's gotta be a solid three,
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that's how many do they have yeah but
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even even when she changes things like there's the she
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thinks she changed the the loop because she
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gets the one woman sally away but then
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sally like crawls up on that balcony and there's like
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30 bodies of her already laying there dead so it's clearly even when she thinks
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she's changed the loop it's like this is just an alternate version of the loop
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that still happens multiple times it's almost like it is still the loop like
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if the loop happens and then happens again.
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I don't know necessarily if it happens a third time, but so like the sequences
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I feel play out the same every time.
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So like that couple that's with Greg and the first time they get shot by him,
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the second time they live a little bit longer.
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And I feel like that's the loop for them is that they kind of get looped into it twice.
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I mean, I guess they don't really know, or maybe it's like an alternating loop
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for them, or it's one thing, then the next, and one thing, then the next,
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but they don't, they don't seem to realize or pick up on that.
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So it is, it is a loop to an extent, and then there's also weird pockets,
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I guess, where we get to see where, like, things accumulate.
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Late we see it with that the one woman that i
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was thought was like when she's wounded and
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dying and she crawls off and it's like i
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don't know 40 of her just like
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like like i was there's a moment i'd be so terrified if i crawled around a corner
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and i was like a bunch of me were dead i'd be like oh shit she has that there's
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like a moment where she finds she finds the one guy downy's body in the ocean
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which it's like is that a loop where he fell overboard at some point or,
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didn't make it which keeps going in circles yeah it does feel like,
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it feels like there's parts where you'd think she'd be she'd be
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smarter when she knows she's in the loop like she should know how things play
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out but then some things she still lets play out the same way when it's like
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I feel like you could have easily avoided that part of it happening again I
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feel like I mean we'll get more into the end when we get there,
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but I feel like.
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When she gets on that ship, she forgets or something.
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Like, when she first gets on that ship, her brain's rebooted.
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The first time, yeah, the first time she gets on. But when she survives,
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when we're talking about the original one that we first start with,
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and she kills the one version in the mask overboard, and then her other version is on the ship.
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Because I feel like at that point, she kind of starts to realize what's going
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on, and she tries to fix things.
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But then there's parts where she doesn't try to fix things. She just runs up
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to Victor and is like, we can fix this.
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And he just seems really confused as to why there's two of her there.
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He's like, I don't understand what's going on, man. This doesn't make any sense.
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I feel like it loops like three times. It probably loops three times.
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I see two cycles for her definitively.
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But when she gets back on the main ship, she kind of has deja vu and she can't remember.
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You know what what was because if you
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take the the idea that like this she's experiencing this for the for the first
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time or so she feels like she is and she starts to realize that she's already
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there and that she's the killer and and that she's this has happened at least two dozen times,
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for some reason when she gets on the ship she she kind of fails she like can't
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she doesn't retain the information that she's not going to be able to remember
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when she gets on the ship for the first time.
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Maybe things do play out differently, but I...
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I think that's where I think the loop starts is when she's on the boat and she
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wakes up because she says, like, oh, I had a really bad dream.
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Yeah. I think that's definitely the start point of the loop.
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It doesn't start on the ship itself. It happens on the boat every time.
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Yeah, but when it's the full start, I think that she doesn't,
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like, something happens with her memory where she just, she can't pace it together
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until it's too late. And she doesn't remember what she's done entirely before.
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Yeah, she doesn't get Groundhog Day where she remembers every time previously.
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Yeah, she cycles through where she's like, just one, just two, just three.
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And then when she's just one again, it's basically starting over from scratch.
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Well, that's where I think some of it falls apart in some of the logic.
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Because by the time she gets to the point where she puts the mask on and she becomes the killer,
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And like, that's what she's saying to herself at the end when she gets pushed
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overboard every time she says, you have to kill them all to,
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to like save yourself or something like that,
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which feels like it doesn't make any sense because what would just killing everybody do?
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Or the, or then she says like, she has to keep them from getting onto the boat.
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Which again implies that the boat is the only place the time loop happens,
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which I guess I feel like because she doesn't retain all that information,
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once you get to the end, we learn that the loop is happening even off of the boat.
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It's happening when she's back on mainland. We can see the loop keeps happening.
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So I guess that's where she doesn't understand.
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So I guess I'm thinking about it being inconsistencies, but it makes sense in
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the logic of the movie that she just can't figure it out in time, like you're saying.
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And she'll just she's kind of like doomed to just keep repeating the loop over
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and over and yeah she thinks she can fix it but then she she thinks she can
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fix it every time but she just can't,
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because she's great because i get enough of the information oh maybe i gotta try things differently
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this time like maybe i won't wear the
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mask you know maybe i'll yeah i i
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won't pick up this gun i won't try to kill him try to
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talk to him yeah it's something about i'm like
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how the fuck can you do anything in that mask like how fuck
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can you see anything like that was like the one point in the movie where i'm
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like you literally fought this person in the mask who's you and they died so
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like maybe don't don't put that mask back on yeah or have a better mask i don't
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know find some goggles or something find something else no yeah.
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I do. It's, it's, it's an interesting, like you were saying,
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I don't think the, the execution isn't, isn't always there, but it's a super low budget movie.
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So for like what it, for what it is, I think it works pretty well.
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And I do think the, the end kind of,
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I don't want to say like fixes it or makes up for any shortcomings,
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but I do think the end works pretty well in like being a very good twist that
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partially maybe you see coming,
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but not exactly the way it plays out because going back the end and the beginning
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tie in but you can't figure it out until the end because at the start she's at home with her son,
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you can tell even before,
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Greg says her son's autistic that it seems like he has something wrong with
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him like he's freaking out while she's trying to like take him out of the house,
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she's like hearing things she thinks her doorbell went off but she can't figure out who was there,
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and I I did think from at the very beginning when she said she didn't bring
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her son with him and we saw the kid being weird and her trying to calm him down.
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And then you see her just stuffing that bag into the trunk. I was like,
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did she kill her kid? Is that kid in the trunk of the car?
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I did kind of think that and I thought it was weird. But then throughout the
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whole movie, she keeps talking about it. She's like, no, I have to get back to my son.
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I have to get back. You don't understand. My son's waiting for me.
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Which again, I guess is because she's lost her memory. she forgets about what happened.
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Damn it yeah she she forgets but that first moment where like she ends up back
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on the mainland she's on she's in florida obviously i guess i guess and she
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makes it all the way back to her house.
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And the first thing you see is that guy cut the grass which
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would be like immediate like why the fuck are you still
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how the hell could you still be cutting the grass man and
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then you're seeing all the stuff from the beginning so uh obviously the
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audience should already know that she's the
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she's still in the loop and then definitively definitively
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when you hear her speak you know that that she's there and then
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you see that she's hell of abusive to her
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kid she's a terrible she's like she's a terrible upside
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that yeah because like they cut it together in
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the beginning like it's memories with the credits so
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like she gets um paint on her
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and she's like oh my god this kid yeah but
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when she's carrying him out i'm gonna whip
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the shit out of this kid yeah she's like carrying him
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out and she's like it's just a mess it's fine and you're thinking like she's talking about the
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paint spilled on the floor you're like oh it's like
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freaking out a lot for just being paint on the floor like but
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yeah finding out later that it's but yeah she's the one
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she came back to the mainland kills her old self and is
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like now i'm gonna be a better mother this time like i see i was a terrible
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mother before and but now that i've survived all this i'm gonna be a good mother
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and but still can't still fails the loop continues on she's still stuck in it
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when she hits a bird and then kicks it into the into the dirt and you just see
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yeah like 30 or 40 seagulls all piled up Yeah.
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Actually, that's the moment that I think is like the best moment is that she
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thinks like she's like you think she's on the run and she's never done this
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before. And she hits that bird.
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And when she picks up and throws it into like the ocean and there's just a pile
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of them, it's just like, oh, fuck, I've I've definitely been here.
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I have clearly been here before. Yeah.
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And, yeah, she's not paying attention to the road. And I don't know how she
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hits that car the way that she does. But they go flying.
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And that's, like, another thing where, like, the cuts are really weird.
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Because, like, the car's in the air flying.
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It hasn't even settled from the crash. And there's, like, a school nearby.
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And everybody's already running towards the crash.
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And, like, you're running towards the crash while the crash is happening. It's insane.
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And yeah she's.
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I don't even know what I see this is where I start to get confused because so
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clearly she's dead but but the body there is her body that was in the bag in
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the trunk somehow not in the bag and.
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Like, somehow, yeah, that's, that's like how you're saying, like,
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it's, it's a very, there's a lot of, you have to really, like,
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suspend disbelief as to, like, how the body perfectly got out of the bag to
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be, like, like, no one, everyone thinks that that's who was driving the car, basically.
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They, they assume she was the driver and the kid was in the back seat when they
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pull him out of the, when they find the wreckage, but it's, like,
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how'd she perfectly get out of the bag to be, to be like that?
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So, yeah, there's a, that's, that's probably one of the, I want to say,
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like, the hell was she she said she's already
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a duplicate or whatever yeah a triplicate
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and then but she's already dead so she's
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deceased she's experiencing this hell
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i guess over and over again and the
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grim reaper basically shows up he's a taxi driver and
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i think he's like he's offering to
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take her to like the afterlife but she wants a chance to
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save her she's gonna keep trying to fix it
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again yeah it's like it's like i feel like that's what they're implying that
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he's you know that he's supposed to like take her
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away and like she's supposed to give up but this is like her version of of like
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a purgatory or something where she'll just like until she finally gives up or
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makes some sort of realization that maybe she maybe it's just better if she
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just everyone just goes their separate ways and just leaves.
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She's just going to keep repeating the same time over and over.
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If it is a purgatory, then eventually she'd break the cycle,
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but I don't know how long that would be.
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I also have a huge question about who the fuck these other people are that are,
00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:18.360
the people that she gets on the boat with.
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Are they dead? Were they alive?
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I don't know when they die. I imagine, I could imagine them dying on the boat,
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and then they're all kind of in purgatory, like you said, but...
00:27:34.349 --> 00:27:40.369
When she's a ghost, and they're a ghost, so maybe they're all doing their loop from that point.
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They all have their own loop.
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Although the others don't seem to have the same loop that she does.
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They seem to have one singular loop.
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Or at least they don't remember when they're being looped.
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Maybe they're just all fated to die. They're not part of the loop.
00:27:58.869 --> 00:28:01.609
They were just always going to die on that boat.
00:28:02.209 --> 00:28:08.009
Right or like if it's if she's dead and it's her own purgatory and she's trying
00:28:08.009 --> 00:28:13.849
to figure this out they aren't they aren't real people they're just like part of the,
00:28:14.529 --> 00:28:17.449
you know I mean the
00:28:17.449 --> 00:28:20.889
only person she knows previously is Greg like
00:28:20.889 --> 00:28:24.329
she doesn't know who any of those other people are from like her normal
00:28:24.329 --> 00:28:28.229
life basically like that guy Greg just says he comes into the diner she works
00:28:28.229 --> 00:28:33.089
at to talk to her but like they could all be part of like our imagination like
00:28:33.089 --> 00:28:36.369
she doesn't know any of those other people other than Greg yeah like a dream
00:28:36.369 --> 00:28:41.309
scenario thing where it's you know you're dreaming about somebody that you only
00:28:41.309 --> 00:28:43.489
see in passing you never really talk to and,
00:28:44.329 --> 00:28:49.769
that type of deal so okay I can imagine that these people are more or less made
00:28:49.769 --> 00:28:53.629
up in her head maybe they're people that she's seen and she's like putting them together,
00:28:54.949 --> 00:28:59.369
I just kind of want to know like how it's like the life of Chuck It's just her
00:28:59.369 --> 00:29:03.349
mind, and she's just putting people that she's seen into roles.
00:29:04.209 --> 00:29:08.429
Yeah, and what would that first occurrence on the road actually be?
00:29:08.909 --> 00:29:10.829
Beat the shit out of her kid...
00:29:12.204 --> 00:29:14.944
Probably hit the seagull. That probably still happened, I would assume.
00:29:15.384 --> 00:29:20.044
And then she was probably, like, smacking her kid. I guess yelling at her kid, smacking her kid.
00:29:20.584 --> 00:29:22.984
Because we know that she wasn't like, it's going to be okay,
00:29:23.064 --> 00:29:24.884
honey. That other person isn't here.
00:29:25.764 --> 00:29:32.164
Yeah. Maybe that kid's alive. And just her purgatory is that he's dead, so. She's fine.
00:29:33.504 --> 00:29:38.084
He, like, he definitely survived the car crash. And he's fine.
00:29:38.884 --> 00:29:44.424
And that's why the Grim Reaper dude's, like. There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah.
00:29:45.364 --> 00:29:48.664
Because you're dead and he's alive. Or you could both be dead.
00:29:51.004 --> 00:29:55.804
It's like, what if it was the sixth sense, but everybody was dead and nobody.
00:29:57.424 --> 00:30:01.924
Everyone had their own little loops. Yeah, I feel like it.
00:30:02.204 --> 00:30:05.804
I feel like the movie wanted to be more clever than it was.
00:30:06.524 --> 00:30:13.424
Like the Alpha Omega stuff with the drum and then the drum being on the boat,
00:30:14.204 --> 00:30:16.604
kind of leads me more into the fact that, like,
00:30:17.684 --> 00:30:22.864
you know, obviously, her mind's piecing this together from something.
00:30:24.464 --> 00:30:27.364
Although, I don't know when the fuck she would have seen that drum.
00:30:27.664 --> 00:30:31.584
You know, like, as she was, like, getting...
00:30:32.603 --> 00:30:37.583
Killed the first time. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they definitely point out the,
00:30:38.043 --> 00:30:43.063
again, it's another kind of like, like an on the nose thing where the name of
00:30:43.063 --> 00:30:48.063
the boats, the Aeolus and like the one character talks about the,
00:30:48.543 --> 00:30:50.103
that's the father of Sisyphus.
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And that's, that's his whole thing is that he, he repeats the same thing over
00:30:53.623 --> 00:30:55.723
and over again. He's always pushing the boulder up the hill.
00:30:55.863 --> 00:30:59.663
And she asks, they ask like, Oh yeah. Why did he have to push the boulder up the hill?
00:30:59.823 --> 00:31:02.683
And they, she says, she says she can't remember. she's
00:31:02.683 --> 00:31:06.343
like I don't know something about that he cheated death or something someone
00:31:06.343 --> 00:31:11.883
cheated death in some way so they do like hit you with that but it's brief enough
00:31:11.883 --> 00:31:15.943
that it you don't think about it till the very end when she crashes the car
00:31:15.943 --> 00:31:20.963
and then starts to loop over that oh yeah this isn't just a simple it isn't
00:31:20.963 --> 00:31:26.123
just a basic time loop like a lot of other movies do where there's like more of a science fictional,
00:31:26.663 --> 00:31:31.303
reason for them to be in the time loop it is it does feel more like a religious or like.
00:31:32.583 --> 00:31:37.143
Death type of thing where like you're saying, the guy that's a cab driver feels
00:31:37.143 --> 00:31:41.763
like he's supposed to be Satan or death or something because he lets her out
00:31:41.763 --> 00:31:43.963
of the cab and he's like, I'm going to leave the meter running.
00:31:43.963 --> 00:31:47.043
You promise you're coming back, right? He's like, yeah, I promise.
00:31:47.843 --> 00:31:52.483
It's her choice to get out of it if she ever can figure out to get out of the
00:31:52.483 --> 00:31:54.203
loop. He gives her the option.
00:31:54.383 --> 00:31:57.883
He never forces it on her. He's always just like, I'll leave the meter running.
00:31:57.903 --> 00:32:00.943
You promise you're going to come back? Yeah, he doesn't feel like a bad guy.
00:32:01.063 --> 00:32:03.003
He just feels like he's doing his job.
00:32:03.403 --> 00:32:06.283
So that's kind of like where I feel like he's a grim reaper type,
00:32:06.443 --> 00:32:11.923
where he's neither an angel nor a devil. He's just there to take you on.
00:32:12.943 --> 00:32:16.623
But actually, now that you pointed out, yeah, when that person,
00:32:16.963 --> 00:32:20.723
that girl that said that she studied Greek mythology or whatever,
00:32:20.963 --> 00:32:25.023
but didn't remember the story, just enough of the story.
00:32:25.083 --> 00:32:27.023
Just enough of the story to put
00:32:27.023 --> 00:32:31.143
there. Just enough of the story that you didn't learn the lesson. Yeah.
00:32:32.703 --> 00:32:36.743
So now you are doomed to repeat it. Yeah.
00:32:37.906 --> 00:32:41.746
Yeah i mean i give the movie props i feel like the the
00:32:41.746 --> 00:32:44.626
special effects the visual effects did not age well
00:32:44.626 --> 00:32:47.986
at all but at the time maybe
00:32:47.986 --> 00:32:52.846
they were impressive i think they must have been because there's some special
00:32:52.846 --> 00:32:57.586
effects shots where they linger kind of like a long time and i'm like they're
00:32:57.586 --> 00:33:04.486
just like really impressed with that that ship you know like they like somebody
00:33:04.486 --> 00:33:07.366
rendered like way more of the ship than they thought they were going to get.
00:33:07.566 --> 00:33:10.086
And they're like, hell yeah, the whole thing is going in the movie.
00:33:11.466 --> 00:33:16.066
Got to get your money's worth out of that shot. But yeah, I like Melissa George.
00:33:16.066 --> 00:33:20.166
I think I've liked her in pretty much everything that she pops up in.
00:33:20.866 --> 00:33:25.066
Liam Hemsworth, I really feel indifferent towards him.
00:33:25.266 --> 00:33:30.326
Although if I saw him in this, I would probably never want to hire him in anything again.
00:33:31.486 --> 00:33:34.666
Like even that weird like what is it called is
00:33:34.666 --> 00:33:37.866
it dirty little things or they kill the hooker and then
00:33:37.866 --> 00:33:41.526
they're trying to hide the body is that what it's called it's
00:33:41.526 --> 00:33:44.306
a car scene it so i don't they do the same thing
00:33:44.306 --> 00:33:49.506
happens though where but this but his acting is so fucking weird where he's
00:33:49.506 --> 00:33:57.426
like don't get so handsy quit pushing me and she pushes him into that like i
00:33:57.426 --> 00:34:01.526
don't know shrapnel or whatever the hell piece of metal or whatever's sticking
00:34:01.526 --> 00:34:03.126
out of the side of the boat.
00:34:03.506 --> 00:34:06.886
That's exactly what happens in the comedy that I'm thinking of.
00:34:07.046 --> 00:34:10.226
I think it's called Dirty Little Things, but like, yeah, they kill a hooker
00:34:10.226 --> 00:34:11.746
and then they're like, oh, shit.
00:34:12.326 --> 00:34:15.886
We're gonna be in so much trouble. So the whole movie is like trying to hide this body.
00:34:16.126 --> 00:34:20.446
I mean, you wanna do that next? Yeah.
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To see if it's like, yeah. I did see it. So this isn't his first movie.
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His first movie is Knowing with Nicolas Cage.
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What i don't know he was probably just a
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background yeah just in
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the background somewhere i'm sure you know um
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we worked in hollywood video knowing was on the shelf i don't remember triangle
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was on the shelf but i remember trying i do remember like people telling me
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about that movie and i think most people were were not happy with it there had
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to see most people being confused like
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just not getting it and being like being like i don't get it why'd
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you get back on the boat at the end that doesn't make any sense why would
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you get back on i think it's i think it's confusing
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in the fact that like it does try to pack a lot in there i don't think it i
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don't think it nails everything maybe it's choosing to be ambiguous in some
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ways like ah you figure it out But yeah,
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I just like I almost like like the scenes where she was just by herself more than anyone else,
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because I just like didn't feel any of these actors like they like they almost
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didn't seem like they were in the same scenario as her.
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And maybe when you get to the end of the movie, that makes sense.
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Like you could be like their third doll, because that's just how she's imagining them or something.
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But, like, I'd be creeped out if I was, like...
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Like, this is weird. I've been here before. There's somebody else here.
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And they're like, ah, they're playing a joke on us. They're playing a joke on
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us. Our boat was flipped upside down and they rescued us.
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And they're playing a joke on us. Yeah, they do it all the time.
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I don't think so, man. Yeah.
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Yeah, like you said, they make a lot of dumb decisions that feel like,
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yeah, that's just what she imagines that they would do.
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Like Victor would go off by himself because he's a hot-headed guy or something
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like that so she imagines he just does that,
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like Sally and her husband are just kind of lazy so they just kind of like they're
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just like we're just gonna like stay in the ballroom and just hang out until
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somebody tells them to do something else
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oh yeah and Victor too you get that you get the scene that he talked about where
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he's asking about the kid,
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and so when they go to the loop you see it and he's walking towards Greg and
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Greg's like is everything okay and he's I can't remember how he says it it's
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just like no everything's not okay and I'm like Jesus Christ man like,
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really take like like I hate lies and I can tell she's lying I really wanted
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to hang out with that kid I wanted someone my someone closer to my age.
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I was told there was gonna be a kid to hang out with yeah yeah and that that kid too I do like,
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her instantly like i gotta kill myself so she goes in there starts hammering
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away at herself and then she's and then the kid's there and she's like oh shit
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she's like you're you're dreaming it's just it's just a dream baby it's just a dream.
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Don't have kids the moral of the story the moral of the story is just don't have kids,
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If you suck, just stay on that boat. Yeah, I don't know.
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Imperfect, but fun. It made me want to go back and rewatch some, like,
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other things that we've previously watched, like The Endless and stuff like,
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but I don't think, I think those know when to be a little bit more ambiguous,
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and they come off a lot stronger.
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This kind of is more like entertainment beyond the lesson of,
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You know, if you don't learn things, you're doomed to repeat them. Quite literally.
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Hey, maybe we're on purgatory right now. It would explain a lot, Chuck.
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Like, Chuck, we're fucking dead.
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We have to break the loop. I don't know how.
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Just trying every day to figure it out. Yeah. It's on Peacock.
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That's where I watched it.
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It started off really weird and I was like I can't tell if this is artistic
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choice or if there's something wrong with the stream and there was something
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wrong with the stream where it was like it was like missing a frame but it was
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like going through the beginning stuff with the credit so I was like is is this like intentional,
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and then she gets out yeah then it's like when she is talking to the neighbor
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like did you just see somebody out here I'm like I don't think it's supposed
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to continue to do this if that,
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I also should have looked it up but the
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score was making me think of Final Destination a little bit but you know,
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know who did the score it didn't wasn't a name that that stuck out to me but
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i don't know who did the score for final destination i just thought that it sounded similar.
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Like i feel like that first one it that the music really stands out and i don't
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know if the other one's nearly as well and i'm not talking about the john denver
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i'm talking about the score,
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i also did like in this movie this is my last bit
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that i could think of the record player like
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the skipping record and i did like
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that she skipped her when she bumped the record and skipped the record it jumped
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time to them have looking around and have had them looking around in the book
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the boat jesus christ i can't speak for like 10 15 minutes she didn't not to
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wait for them to get off the boat.
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Actually, that could have been one. I needed to stop them before they got on
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the boat, but I hit the goddamn record player.
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It skipped me.
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So leave that thing alone.
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Yeah, good double feature. I guess they had jack shit to do with one another.
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They're just two interesting movies. Just two kind of like underrated movies
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that seem that for their first small budgets,
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I feel like both of them have the connection of they tried to do a lot with
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the small budgets that they had.
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I feel like Bone Tomahawk clearly much more accomplished with what it did with a very small budget.
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Obviously still had a much larger cast of
00:41:05.966 --> 00:41:09.306
known actors from america but yeah
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both both just movies that feel like
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feel like movies that don't get made anymore like tiny budget films that are
00:41:16.506 --> 00:41:21.046
at least trying to do something interesting now everything's either like it
00:41:21.046 --> 00:41:24.106
has to be the biggest movie in the world or you still get small independent
00:41:24.106 --> 00:41:28.646
films but not always with as much scope other than like you were mentioning
00:41:28.646 --> 00:41:30.586
like stuff like The Endless,
00:41:30.766 --> 00:41:36.106
those two guys I think try to do a lot of really interesting stuff on a shoestring budget.
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It's definitely horror that seems to be being able to play around the most with their movies.
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I want to go back and watch the trailer for this because I want to know how it was advertised.
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It could have sold me like it was a slasher movie.
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I could see a trailer being cut together where people
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got stranded a boat save saves them
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but there's nobody else dead on the boat i i
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don't know but i i get to be like oh shit they didn't get saved they're with
00:42:07.066 --> 00:42:11.086
a serial killer so if you're a big slasher fan you jump into this movie all
00:42:11.086 --> 00:42:17.606
excited and then you're like what what's happening she's already there this
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is a high concept sci-fi or like more religious like you said,
00:42:23.646 --> 00:42:27.566
somebody's just like I'm drinking my Bud Light and I'm not prepared for this
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movie but that's all I got to say I'm glad we watched something new,
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time and we'll be back in two weeks with my pick whatever that is i didn't decide
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yet chuck did go over a lot of shapes at the beginning of this episode so maybe i'll pick a shape,
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we just did we then we'll move back into colors or something we're a very highbrow
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podcast oh yeah all right till then thanks for listening.