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Welcome back to Casterly Talk. I'm Ken Afsock. Hey, you're
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Alton Diaz.
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Hi.
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Indeed I am. Hello, my friend.
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We're here today to talk about the Chronicles of Narnia,
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the magician's nephew.
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The chron... What?
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Back to what? Let's do it again.
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In fairness, Separate from the SNL humor, I do need
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to train myself to stop saying that because that's not
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what the movie's called.
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It's not called Chronicles of Narnia. It's called Narnia, Cole
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and the Magician's Nephew.
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This is sort of like how you can lose a
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trivia match if you say it's called Indiana Jones and
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the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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It's not. There is no movie called that.
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Well, unless you get to like a DVD release.
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I think later on it becomes that.
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I think it's like on packaging, but they've never put
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it in the film.
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Right. As a former.
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I start throwing hands about this.
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Yeah, well, but that was back in the days of
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that thing that used to be called the movie Trivish
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Modem that I was involved in. There would be off-camera
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arguments about that, like, that were intense.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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And this will be one of them. This is called Narnia.
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Magician's Nephew will be talking about that today in just
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a couple minutes. But real quick, before we do that,
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on a life note, we did just want to say
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to the casually talk audience and to everybody in our
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communities and Ken's community across our star Wars work on
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force center, Dr. Radio and everything that we lost. Um, uh,
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Brennan Marr, some of you may know as mystical Brennan Marr, um,
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who was a consistent presence and a delight and a
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friend of both of ours. And you'll know him from,
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from the chats as a trivia champ, as an opponent
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of mine. And, as a longtime supporter of everybody. And we,
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at the time of this recording, it's pretty fresh news.
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And we just wanted to say that we're dedicating not,
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not just this video, but just moments of thought and
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then a little, a lot of love to Brennan and
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his family.
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So Ken, if you want to touch on that.
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Yeah.
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Well said.
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I've known Brennan more now for a few years and
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I've had the chance to meet him in person.
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I met him for lunch at the LA zoo one time.
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We had a nice day there.
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And yeah, Brennan is one of those people that is,
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you know, starts as a listener of our shows and
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then he's in the communities.
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He's in discord.
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He supports via Patreon. He was a big fan of
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like Willow. His focus was Star Wars, but he loved
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hanging out with us here. He was just so supportive.
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And he, for those that do not know, Brennan had,
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Brennan was handed a very tough deck of cards from birth.
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He had a condition that kept him basically in a,
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A chair, a motorized chair and breathing tubes and tough life, man.
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And he outlived expectations of his lifespan. It was told
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early on that he's not going to be around here long.
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And he shot past that by like 30 years and
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was inspirational because he could have chosen every morning to
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wake up angry. And every day he woke up and
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chose hope and he tried to spread that as best
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he could. So more will be said on my show,
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The Blathering. I'm going to do a tribute to Brennan
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this coming Monday. Also in Force Center, we'll talk about it.
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He was big over there, had his own podcast, Patriot Turners,
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they were not. So Alden, I'm glad you brought it
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up because we're dedicating this episode and what we do here,
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talking about themes and stories and hope and inspiration in
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fantasy series and movies. And that's something that was close
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to the heart of Brennan Moore. So Brennan, we salute you.
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Love you, Brennan.
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And not to do like a radio segue with it,
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but I do know that this type of stuff, Brennan
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did really love big fantasy ideas and sweeping mystical concepts
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and when things got weird. And so I'm glad that
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we just got to pass his birthday, that he got
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some love. And yeah, go check out the back catalog
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of his conversations and his calls.
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So Greta Gerwig. Greta Gerwig is back.
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And I will preface this by saying, if you're a
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Greta Gerwig hater, I apologize because you're about to hear
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some Greta Gerwig, some Greta Gerwig glaze, as the kids
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would say.
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I love this woman. Three for three with me, with
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Lady Bird, Little Women, Barbie.
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And I think that this is one of those choices
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where it's like, Barbie, after the success of Barbie, she
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could have done anything that she wanted. And right out
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of the gate, my initial reaction to this trailer is, Oh,
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that's how you spend clout. Like she, she earned, she
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earned her clout with Barbie of like, you can trust
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me to take something that a lot of people would
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have considered stupid and make it really artful and beautiful.
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And now I'm going to take something that you think,
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you know, and I'm going to inject it fully with
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myself and with what I think, but I, how I
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hear it, how I see it.
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And I was really excited about that.
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And we talked about her teeing this up in some
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magazine coverage. Talking about Bowie and all these different influences.
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And then you see it. And I texted you about
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this trailer. And I was just like, this is this
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might be the smartest, coolest needle drop that has happened
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in a while. And a historic one. And a historic one,
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which we'll talk about. So what was your your feeling
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as a Narnia kid, as somebody that knows? Right.
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I don't know if you remember the exact plot of this,
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but you've read it.
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I do, yeah.
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It's in the back of my brain, yeah. Yeah, no,
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and just to be clear, like, happy to be discussing
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Narnia on this podcast and YouTube channel. This clearly casterly
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talk has started as the Game of Thrones actually started
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from my series Daily Thrones on Anchor. but that has
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absolutely needed, I think, to go to some of the
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properties that I think inspired not only Game of Thrones,
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but inspired people's love for Game of Thrones. Game of
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Thrones was pitched in 2011 to people that didn't know it.
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Kind of like Lord of the Rings on TV, right?
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Whether it's true or not, whether it's accurate or not,
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but that's what went around. And you had the Chronicles
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of Narnia film series from a number of years ago now.
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Seems like just yesterday, but it's not.
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And I think it was just yesterday. It was just yesterday.
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Don't say that.
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Look, I earlier, you know, you know, I'm a big
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music fan.
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You are, too. I saw something going around Instagram. People
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may have seen it where it said if Smashing Pumpkins
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released 1979 today, the song would be about 2010.
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Well, this was like this. This is unrelated to fantasy stuff.
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But the first images from the new Miami Vice just
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came out.
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And I was, I was showing my mom cause she
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liked sinners and stuff. I was like, Oh look, Michael B.
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Jordan is going to be in Miami vice. And she's like,
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Miami vice again. She's like, they just did that. And
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I was like, well, mom, the Colin Farrell, Jamie Foxx
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was 20 years ago.
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It's 20 years.
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calendar has a lot to do with pop culture. Just
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like you get so pulled into it and, and game
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of thrones goes eight seasons over like about nine and
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a half years and so it just goes in a
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blink but to say i i for the i guess
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i'm just saying for anyone who's a cast really talk
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viewer who's like hey talking about narnia it might not
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be for you we totally understand uh but it just
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it just to me really does fall into this bucket
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that's why we covered willow um it it is you
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know fantasy uh myth uh big morality tale kind of
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stuff here and And yes, I am a kid to
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reset a little bit. That was I was not told
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to read The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings,
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which again is weird because I think Tolkien definitely had
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some religious influences. But growing up in a satanic panic
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house in the 80s, Narnia was approved. C.S.
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Lewis approved.
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You know, I even have copies of the screw tape
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letters and all the other things that Lewis wrote. And
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I am a fan, even though at times I've been
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at war with the religion I was raised in. I
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still have a very, very special place in my heart
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for the Narnia series. So I'm excited. And I enjoyed
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what I saw the first go around. Now what you're
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probably going to tell me 20 years ago. But I
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was excited. It had not been on my radar screen
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until you said, hey, teaser out. And I was like, oh, God.
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We talked about the interview last week. And then all
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of a sudden you were like, teasers.
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I was like, oh, already. Here we go.
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So I'm all in to see what this is about.
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all in is because of Greta Gerwig. Because you're right,
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three for three on those movies. I am a giant
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fan of the movie Barbie. I think it is so poignant.
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I think it was a movie of its time and timeless.
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I think it was a movie that was like can
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you believe they're doing a Barbie movie to becoming something
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I think actually important. I think it's an absolute piece
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of art. And so many lessons in there too and
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so much joy and humor and fun.
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So when someone like that goes up the screen, you know,
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Lady Bird is like the first one, right?
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Which is a great film. Little Women.
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It's like getting Barbie's big IP. And then now she's
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heading into what could be a franchise. Whether or not
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she continues on with it, I don't know. I saw
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a little bit of her Stephen Colbert interview talking about
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the release order, so to speak, and the reading order
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because Magician's Nephew is a prequel. But later on, there's
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some letters from C.S. Lewis saying this should have been
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book one. So I'm just intrigued of like when someone
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like this and her team takes on something big like this,
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I am already interested based on what she has done
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before and what she'll do with it.
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So I think the trailer backed that up.
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Yeah, I'm right there with you.
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And you're right to point out the increase in scale
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where like Lady Bird is an original story based on
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her own experiences growing up in Sacramento and all that,
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that life of a teenage girl in Sacramento. So it's
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not adapting anything, but it is, you know, an experience
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translated to the screen. Then Little Women is adapting something.
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It adapts a classic. She does make some changes to it.
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She presents it in her own way.
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Boom, success. And then it's like, okay, bigger challenge.
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What if I adapt something that is a an ip
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and a concept and a visual but the narrative has
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to come from me and now it's a yet another
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challenge where it's it's already been done before and you're
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going to change the aesthetic and so she's challenging herself
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in different ways i think throwing a wrench into the
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conversation that gets uh you know uh how do i
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want to word this without being too sassy I think
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it drags down fandom that we end up in this
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nonsense of like, there's no new original ideas. We deal
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with that all the time in Star Wars. And I
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would go to what David Lynch has said to young writers.
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It's like, of course, it's all been said before, but
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not by you.
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Make that literal, like Del Toro's Frankenstein changes the ending
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from the book. and, and breathes whole new life into
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like what that is. I'm not saying she's going to
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be making plot changes to this. I'm sure she will
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in some ways.
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There's already timeline changes.
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There's already timeline.
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It's bumped up to, uh, fifties on earth. And then
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a seventies inspired.
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Uh, not even Narnia. It's called char, right? The, the
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pre Narnia world, I think it's called char.
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destroying me right now. down in the comments i hope
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and you know what i hope you are.
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our toes heavily into narnia narnia and i i am
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sometimes i gotta admit i'm really grumpy with tolkien heads
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who who attack rings of power for reasons that i
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just think are wrong unfair and boring i get i
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game of thrones book fans of which i am Of
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which I am.
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I'm at war with them sometimes. I'm wondering how the
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Narnia book.
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Fans will be. Do they exist?
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They have to be, because there's already a Hollywood Reporter
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thing out there about Trailer Divides fans.
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Trailer Divides fans.
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Here we go again. We're back.
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We're going to have some.
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People in C.S. Lewis shirts, like, this is not what C.S. intended.
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It's not.
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Hashtag not my Aslan. Well, I've already joked about that.
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Meryl Streep doesn't speak in the trailer, but we'll talk
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about Aslan at the end.
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But, like, I.
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I say all that to say that I think this
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makes sense as the next challenge for her.
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And I think she is the right person.
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And it's like, it's what, you know, the great Joseph Scrimshaw,
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director of Dead Media and your co-host on Force Center,
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has brought up of like, people think that pop and
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auteur are separate.
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And like, they're not. They're not. There are auteurs.
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Making teeny tiny films that cost nothing. And then there's
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auteurs like this. You can't look at this and tell
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me it's not. And that's what excited me about it.
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The rock and roll obviously excited me. The second that
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I clocked that it's Stairway, I chuckled to myself because
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I was like, God, that's the kind of on the
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nose that is so smart. She knows that the world
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knows that it's the Jesus-y one. Everyone knows that it's
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the Jesus-y one of all the big IP.
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And so she's just like, okay, yeah, it is. But
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what if it also rocks? What if it was heaven,
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but also heaven? Jesus Christ.
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Superstar.
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I thought that was such a smart choice.
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I've seen people say like, oh, it's Narnia Ragnarok and everything.
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same thing where it was like, oh, it's the Vikings
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and it's, and I'm Taika and I'm indigenous and it's
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an immigrant story and it's about their home.
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Immigrant song. We should just use immigrant song. Sometimes the
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right answer is right there.
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I've always said that.
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And I really, really like that. So should we talk
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about that first?
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Yeah, I want to talk about the music.
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We don't do or we generally do not support trailer
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breakdown content.
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Maybe we should.
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I'll just pretend this is the trailer and you and
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I will just stare at it.
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Oh, there we go. Thumbnail made. But we can talk
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about the trailer. But yeah, absolutely.
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I do want to start with the music because the
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music is right now actually for me the most memorable thing.
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And I say that with the most respect. Like there's
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some great visuals.
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We see Daniel Craig looking both cool and old in
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a way that was inspiring to me.
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The visuals, the aesthetic, everything about it.
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But her interviews that we talked about recently here on
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the channel did talk about like, hey, I'm Bowie inspired.
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Like this is rock and roll, baby.
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And so you got Zeppelin and look, Zeppelin is the
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most Lord of the Rings coded band ever in history.
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So it kind of makes sense that they're like Peter
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Jackson should have used them, I guess.
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But they're over here.
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And this is a historic needle drop because they don't
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do this.
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They don't.
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It's very hard to clear a Zeppelin song.
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It's only happened a couple of times that has never
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happened with this. I said this to you off air
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for context of people listening. that care about this kind
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of thing. Cause I think needle drops have become more
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of a thing we talk about culturally, probably since guardians.
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Of the galaxy.
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Like we're way more aware of it. My generation loves
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to pick them apart. Purple rain got cleared for stranger things.
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And that had never been cleared either. Obviously Prince was gone.
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So things are different with that business wise. Once that
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happened and purple rain is all over Instagram, you know,
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it's like a Gen Z favorite. Now, now that that's happened,
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I think it's going to loosen people up. But thankfully,
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we did get actual information as well. So I'm going
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to do a reading real quick. Greta Gerwig talks about
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securing stairway to heaven. Quote, I showed them and I
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talked to them. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page. Note, I
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did Google. Does John Paul Jones not make decisions for
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Zeppelin anymore? And apparently he stepped down in 2021 from
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their publishing thing. And I was so moved that they
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allowed me to use the song. They did it because
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they saw the heart of the story in the film
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and they too love C.S.
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Lewis and have a reverence for his work.
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The whole thing was very fortuitous, but I'm so happy
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it got to be this song. The song is exactly
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the story of the movie. It's an epic song. It's
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an amazing song. It's a narrative. It's about a spiritual journey.
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It's about the path of enlightenment and spirituality. And then
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this path of false idols and the wrong roads you
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can go down. And I was like, this is exactly
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the story of our movie. It's a spiritual quest. So
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to do this, this was the song that made sense
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to introduce me to this world. But this song, they
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had not let it be used in anything. So, I mean, yeah,
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if you're going to go make a pitch to Robert Plant,
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that sounds like a Robert Plant-ass pitch. If you were
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just like, it's like a spiritual journey, Robert. Like, it's
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about false idols. It's about like, show him that you
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understood what he was saying. And maybe no one had
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ever done that before.
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Yeah. No, I think that's fascinating. We can spend a
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lot of time on that.
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You know, again, we both love music and, and stairway
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famously almost used in Wayne's world.
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Not quite.
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They couldn't, couldn't pay, couldn't get it. It couldn't work out.
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Comes a memorable sequence or some other examples. I think
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you had two off air, but you can share, but yeah,
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that's a great needle drop is a great needle drop. I,
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sometimes you just need the song, right? Like, like if
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you're going to play space hogs, maybe, you know, maybe
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in the meantime or in the meantime, it's the actual
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title song.
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Like, That's one of my favorite songs of all time.
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Half the time, I don't even understand the lyrics and
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I've heard the song for 35 years or so, you know,
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30 years. But this is why we love art. This
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is why we're talking about it. This is why I'm
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already more excited to see the movie just based on
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your description. She got what they were doing. She gets
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what she's doing. She gets what it's about. This is
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not just a book adaptation of something that you liked
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as a kid. This has meaning to pull out and
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apply to not only now, but to all of all time.
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And Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, sitting probably in some
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private screening room.
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Going like, oh, yeah, yeah, you got it. You got it.
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Do it. Take it. Take the song.
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It adds so much energy.
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And also, this is a separate conversation, a technical thing.
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Trailers also have to edit songs in a certain way
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to fit the trailer. And, and to be really nerdy
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about it, I love the way that they cut up
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stairway for it.
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I love the parts that they use. And I love
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like the visual.
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I rewound it like 10 times, like Aslan roaring Narnia
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into existence. And then right as it, right as the
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shot gets wider, it's, you know, bottoms, the drum fills like, Oh,
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it's like, I would have been jumping up and down
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if I was in that editing room.
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It's crazy.
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And it looks, just moving into other things, you pair
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that with the way that the wood between, not the
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world between worlds, that'd be old Dave Filoni, the wood
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between worlds, which, how come no one's ever asked Dave
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Filoni about that? That's got to be a reference, right?
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Well, now we will. Now people will be on top
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of mind. It will be top of mind.
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The wood between worlds, the way that the props look,
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the way that the I believe it's Jadis who becomes
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the White Witch, which they put out there already in
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the trailer. You get to see the White Witch look.
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Looks beautiful. That's played by Emma Mackey, who I'm very
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excited about. She's in Sex Education. Amazing actress who has
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always been really close to getting big roles and hasn't
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gotten them. And so I'm glad that she was almost
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Lois Lane in Superman. She was almost Catwoman. And now
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she finally gets a big genre role like this, and
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I'm excited for that. What else stuck out for you
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in this as somebody that read it or remembers it?
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Yeah, this is, you know, this is a falling into
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a bigger world.
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I love that the trailer acknowledges the Lion, the Witch,
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and the Wardrobe, which is, by all accounts, the introduction
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to this world for most of us. Again, I said
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there was later on some letters to C.S. Lewis saying, hey,
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you know, actually Magician's Nephew. I think I read it
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as book five. I think Greta said she read it
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as like book six or what I think was there
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seven books in the series total I.
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Think it's like yeah yeah it's the second to last
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one I just can't okay.
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Okay uh yeah um and I and I shared how
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when I read it as a young kid by the
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time I got to that I was like where the
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hell's everybody where's Chris Caspian Where's that little rat guy?
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Reach Pete.
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Where's everybody?
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I had no idea. I was too young.
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So I think it's an interesting choice to acknowledge that
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what they're doing is they're starting here.
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And then to me, it's not a prequel.
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Now you don't have to have that thing hanging over
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it as a prequel. It is the first step into
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a larger world. And I think the aesthetic and everything
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about it. And we talked about how she moved the
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moved the time frame of the movies from like, you know,
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it's up into the World War Two era where previously
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that's where which wardrobe started.
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That was the whole thing.
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The kids were going out to the countryside to get
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out of the bombings.
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So now you're kind of moving all there. I didn't
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I didn't. And I had some mind– I'm not concerned.
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I just– so I'm like, oh, okay. That's interesting.
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Let's see what they can do with that. We'll trust her.
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We talked about that. But it was not even on
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my mind because they've just– the trailer just absolutely for
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me set the tone for this world that we're about
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to crawl into and spend a lot of time in
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it if the series goes on.
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And I think it will.
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I think it will too. I hope it will.
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I'm glad that Netflix is doing a theatrical release. It's
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going to get IMAX screens. Not that like that's something
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that we normally talk about on this channel, but just
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because– it's, it's something to be concerned about when there's
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only fricking three companies. Um, but the, yeah, I also,
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you know, just to round it out, cause we don't
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want to go too long on this, but the, the
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last thing I wanted to address just cause it's been
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a theme here on casually talk that we've talked about
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a lot or not story theme, but a theme for
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our conversations is when do you break the aesthetic and
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when do you not?
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And there's always been like.
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The, you know, we've talked about the del Toro hobbits
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that never were, and how different they would have looked
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and the criticisms around rings of power that people say
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it looks too much like this take. And this is
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that brave. No, I'm kicking the door down. We're doing
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something else. It's art nouveau.
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It's extremely colorful. It's very CGI heavy. It's very color pop.
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And I think Aslan himself or herself itself in this
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version is probably the best example because it's, I think
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it's brave to do a teaser trailer for a new
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take and not show them the character that they would
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have been able to latch on to, except you kind
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of do, but it immediately says, but it's not a
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physical lion. Look at this cosmic entity that registers as
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a lion. Look at these slow shots of the kids
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just like staring at it, like overcome. She talked about
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awe with Aslan. Greta Gerwig said like, he's awesome in
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the way that the word actually means. Like before we
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started using it for everything, like he actually stops people
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cold with his presence.
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Uh, and I love that that was here and that
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it says.
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Like, Hey, it ain't going to be this, just the
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physical Liam Neeson line that you remember, get on board
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with it now.
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And I think that that's, that's cool. And that's brave.
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And I, it kind of makes me wish that like,
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I don't know, I would love to see some other
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fantasy worlds is radically changed.
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I don't know if we will. Hmm. In our lifetimes,
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you know, like when George R.R.
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Martin's gone and then in like 40 years, does someone
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do Game of Thrones again?
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And like, it looks completely different. Like I would be
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open to it.
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It's swing in London.
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It's Mike, Mike Myers.
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Now, I love your description of that. And I think
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it was a great show. As of course, Meryl Streep
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will be portraying Aslan in terms of voice form.
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Uh, that's there as well.
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Yeah, no, uh, you know, and it's exciting to think here, man,
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that this is, um, definitely for a new generation, you know,
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here I am, I'm an old man talking about this
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and I've been around for a lot of versions. Uh, not,
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I wasn't there when the books were released a little after, uh,
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but the animated series that I cried Aslan's passing and, and, uh,
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you know, um, uh, it should get very religious coded,
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but as a kid, I cried.
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It was horrible.
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You know, you know, this series is deep in a
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lot of hearts and minds and souls, but it's going to, Um,
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not just before the kids, it's going to be for, Hey,
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this next generation wants something to grab onto in terms of, uh,
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what are you talking about in terms of like the, the, the, the,
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the aesthetic switch and change. That's one of the things
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that I I'm fully in control of. And I personally,
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for others, again, for all you see us Lewis heads
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who are in the, uh, in the chat, actually tell
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us what you think. I'm half joking, but I want
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to know, but, um, I have no, I'm not gripping
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tight to any vision of this series. Um, Most of
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the visions of the series came from my imagination as
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a kid reading it, right? So it's fertile ground for
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what she wants to do with it, and I'm excited.
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I agree.
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I agree. And I also am curious to see how
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much of a one-and-done it is.
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I'm excited to see.
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I mean, we're still so early. I mean, it's not
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until February, so we've got a lot of time to
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learn more, but... um did she did she create this
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with the the feeling of like oh if it's a
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hit i'll do more or is she's like i'm gonna
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pass the baton and since this world is always changing
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and dying and reborn like narnia also like mythologically to
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my understanding of it allows i think for some of
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this as well because it does start and get reshaped
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and get created and every when we pick up with
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it like like what the difference between the, the, you know,
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the siblings and Caspian is a long ass time. Like
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it's like extremely multi-generational. Is that a creative opportunity for
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someone to come in and say, all right, well, Greta's
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world has fallen. And so what does this look like?
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Is it the next type of rock? Is it the,
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it's full of potential. So I'm excited.
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If we take, if we play out the timeline, the
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needle drop might be, you know, olivia origo or something
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at this point we don't know.
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I know we'll be so far into.
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The we're gonna get like lion witch in the wardrobe
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trailer with like champagne supernova over it with like which
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like write that down that's a great idea slowly walking
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down the hall faster than a cannonball yeah that's perfect
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and then and then the last battle we'll have red
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wine supernova over it and we'll be all the way down.
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I heard you like, you know, magic. Okay.
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We just wanted to touch upon it. And like you
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said up top, and if you've stayed, stayed this long,
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I bet you're here for the conversation. We're really here
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for this fantasy series that has a chance to really
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be impactful in terms of art and just have some
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fun with it. Game of Thrones is probably why he
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subscribed here. And that's why we'll keep doing that. Also
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rings of power coming back at all. Then we're going
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to be doing the, something like a pre rewatch and
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discussion as we build up to a season three of
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rings of power.
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Yeah, indeed.
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Indeed.
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Indeed.
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I'm very excited for that.
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It's going to be a depressing fall unless you're Sauron, in.
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Which case it's going to be a great fall. So
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get ready for that.
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It's hot Sauron season, baby. All right. Uh, that is it. Subscribe, uh,
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like comment. If you're watching YouTube on the audio side,
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we appreciate you listening there. We'll see you next time.
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New York castle.
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Bye.
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Thank you.
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Welcome back to Casterly Talk. I'm Ken Afsock. Hey, you're
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Alton Diaz.
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Hi.
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Indeed I am. Hello, my friend.
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We're here today to talk about the Chronicles of Narnia,
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the magician's nephew.
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The chron... What?
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Back to what? Let's do it again.
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In fairness, Separate from the SNL humor, I do need
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to train myself to stop saying that because that's not
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what the movie's called.
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It's not called Chronicles of Narnia. It's called Narnia, Cole
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and the Magician's Nephew.
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This is sort of like how you can lose a
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trivia match if you say it's called Indiana Jones and
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the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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It's not. There is no movie called that.
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Well, unless you get to like a DVD release.
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I think later on it becomes that.
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I think it's like on packaging, but they've never put
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it in the film.
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Right. As a former.
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I start throwing hands about this.
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Yeah, well, but that was back in the days of
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that thing that used to be called the movie Trivish
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Modem that I was involved in. There would be off-camera
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arguments about that, like, that were intense.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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And this will be one of them. This is called Narnia.
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Magician's Nephew will be talking about that today in just
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a couple minutes. But real quick, before we do that,
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on a life note, we did just want to say
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to the casually talk audience and to everybody in our
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communities and Ken's community across our star Wars work on
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force center, Dr. Radio and everything that we lost. Um, uh,
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Brennan Marr, some of you may know as mystical Brennan Marr, um,
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who was a consistent presence and a delight and a
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friend of both of ours. And you'll know him from,
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from the chats as a trivia champ, as an opponent
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of mine. And, as a longtime supporter of everybody. And we,
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at the time of this recording, it's pretty fresh news.
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And we just wanted to say that we're dedicating not,
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not just this video, but just moments of thought and
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then a little, a lot of love to Brennan and
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his family.
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So Ken, if you want to touch on that.
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Yeah.
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Well said.
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I've known Brennan more now for a few years and
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I've had the chance to meet him in person.
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I met him for lunch at the LA zoo one time.
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We had a nice day there.
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And yeah, Brennan is one of those people that is,
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you know, starts as a listener of our shows and
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then he's in the communities.
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He's in discord.
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He supports via Patreon. He was a big fan of
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like Willow. His focus was Star Wars, but he loved
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hanging out with us here. He was just so supportive.
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And he, for those that do not know, Brennan had,
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Brennan was handed a very tough deck of cards from birth.
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He had a condition that kept him basically in a,
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A chair, a motorized chair and breathing tubes and tough life, man.
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And he outlived expectations of his lifespan. It was told
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early on that he's not going to be around here long.
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And he shot past that by like 30 years and
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was inspirational because he could have chosen every morning to
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wake up angry. And every day he woke up and
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chose hope and he tried to spread that as best
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he could. So more will be said on my show,
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The Blathering. I'm going to do a tribute to Brennan
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this coming Monday. Also in Force Center, we'll talk about it.
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He was big over there, had his own podcast, Patriot Turners,
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they were not. So Alden, I'm glad you brought it
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up because we're dedicating this episode and what we do here,
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talking about themes and stories and hope and inspiration in
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fantasy series and movies. And that's something that was close
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to the heart of Brennan Moore. So Brennan, we salute you.
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Love you, Brennan.
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And not to do like a radio segue with it,
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but I do know that this type of stuff, Brennan
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did really love big fantasy ideas and sweeping mystical concepts
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and when things got weird. And so I'm glad that
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we just got to pass his birthday, that he got
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some love. And yeah, go check out the back catalog
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of his conversations and his calls.
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So Greta Gerwig. Greta Gerwig is back.
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And I will preface this by saying, if you're a
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Greta Gerwig hater, I apologize because you're about to hear
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some Greta Gerwig, some Greta Gerwig glaze, as the kids
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would say.
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I love this woman. Three for three with me, with
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Lady Bird, Little Women, Barbie.
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And I think that this is one of those choices
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where it's like, Barbie, after the success of Barbie, she
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could have done anything that she wanted. And right out
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of the gate, my initial reaction to this trailer is, Oh,
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that's how you spend clout. Like she, she earned, she
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earned her clout with Barbie of like, you can trust
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me to take something that a lot of people would
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have considered stupid and make it really artful and beautiful.
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And now I'm going to take something that you think,
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you know, and I'm going to inject it fully with
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myself and with what I think, but I, how I
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hear it, how I see it.
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And I was really excited about that.
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And we talked about her teeing this up in some
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magazine coverage. Talking about Bowie and all these different influences.
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And then you see it. And I texted you about
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this trailer. And I was just like, this is this
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might be the smartest, coolest needle drop that has happened
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in a while. And a historic one. And a historic one,
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which we'll talk about. So what was your your feeling
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as a Narnia kid, as somebody that knows? Right.
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I don't know if you remember the exact plot of this,
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but you've read it.
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I do, yeah.
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It's in the back of my brain, yeah. Yeah, no,
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and just to be clear, like, happy to be discussing
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Narnia on this podcast and YouTube channel. This clearly casterly
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talk has started as the Game of Thrones actually started
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from my series Daily Thrones on Anchor. but that has
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properties that I think inspired not only Game of Thrones,
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released 1979 today, the song would be about 2010.
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liked sinners and stuff. I was like, Oh look, Michael B.
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Miami vice again. She's like, they just did that. And
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like you get so pulled into it and, and game
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a half years and so it just goes in a
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viewer who's like hey talking about narnia it might not
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be for you we totally understand uh but it just
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that's why we covered willow um it it is you
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stuff here and And yes, I am a kid to
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some religious influences. But growing up in a satanic panic
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house in the 80s, Narnia was approved. C.S.
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letters and all the other things that Lewis wrote. And
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for the Narnia series. So I'm excited. And I enjoyed
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what I saw the first go around. Now what you're
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probably going to tell me 20 years ago. But I
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all in is because of Greta Gerwig. Because you're right,
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three for three on those movies. I am a giant
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fan of the movie Barbie. I think it is so poignant.
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I think it was a movie of its time and timeless.
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you believe they're doing a Barbie movie to becoming something
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I think actually important. I think it's an absolute piece
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of art. And so many lessons in there too and
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so much joy and humor and fun.
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Lady Bird is like the first one, right?
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Which is a great film. Little Women.
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heading into what could be a franchise. Whether or not
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she continues on with it, I don't know. I saw
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the release order, so to speak, and the reading order
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because Magician's Nephew is a prequel. But later on, there's
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some letters from C.S. Lewis saying this should have been
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book one. So I'm just intrigued of like when someone
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like this and her team takes on something big like this,
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before and what she'll do with it.
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her own experiences growing up in Sacramento and all that,
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that life of a teenage girl in Sacramento. So it's
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not adapting anything, but it is, you know, an experience
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translated to the screen. Then Little Women is adapting something.
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Boom, success. And then it's like, okay, bigger challenge.
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to come from me and now it's a yet another
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challenge where it's it's already been done before and you're
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going to change the aesthetic and so she's challenging herself
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in different ways i think throwing a wrench into the
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conversation that gets uh you know uh how do i
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it drags down fandom that we end up in this
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nonsense of like, there's no new original ideas. We deal
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from the book. and, and breathes whole new life into
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like what that is. I'm not saying she's going to
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be making plot changes to this. I'm sure she will
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and you know what i hope you are.
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our toes heavily into narnia narnia and i i am
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who who attack rings of power for reasons that i
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just think are wrong unfair and boring i get i
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game of thrones book fans of which i am Of
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which I am.
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Narnia book.
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Fans will be. Do they exist?
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They have to be, because there's already a Hollywood Reporter
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thing out there about Trailer Divides fans.
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Trailer Divides fans.
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Here we go again. We're back.
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People in C.S. Lewis shirts, like, this is not what C.S. intended.
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Hashtag not my Aslan. Well, I've already joked about that.
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about Aslan at the end.
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makes sense as the next challenge for her.
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director of Dead Media and your co-host on Force Center,
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has brought up of like, people think that pop and
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auteur are separate.
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auteurs like this. You can't look at this and tell
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me it's not. And that's what excited me about it.
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The rock and roll obviously excited me. The second that
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I clocked that it's Stairway, I chuckled to myself because
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I was like, God, that's the kind of on the
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nose that is so smart. She knows that the world
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knows that it's the Jesus-y one. Everyone knows that it's
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the Jesus-y one of all the big IP.
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what if it also rocks? What if it was heaven,
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but also heaven? Jesus Christ.
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Superstar.
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I thought that was such a smart choice.
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same thing where it was like, oh, it's the Vikings
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and it's, and I'm Taika and I'm indigenous and it's
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an immigrant story and it's about their home.
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Immigrant song. We should just use immigrant song. Sometimes the
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right answer is right there.
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I've always said that.
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We don't do or we generally do not support trailer
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breakdown content.
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I'll just pretend this is the trailer and you and
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Oh, there we go. Thumbnail made. But we can talk
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about the trailer. But yeah, absolutely.
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I do want to start with the music because the
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music is right now actually for me the most memorable thing.
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some great visuals.
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a way that was inspiring to me.
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The visuals, the aesthetic, everything about it.
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most Lord of the Rings coded band ever in history.
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Jackson should have used them, I guess.
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It's only happened a couple of times that has never
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happened with this. I said this to you off air
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for context of people listening. that care about this kind
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of thing. Cause I think needle drops have become more
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of a thing we talk about culturally, probably since guardians.
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to pick them apart. Purple rain got cleared for stranger things.
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happened and purple rain is all over Instagram, you know,
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it's like a Gen Z favorite. Now, now that that's happened,
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I think it's going to loosen people up. But thankfully,
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we did get actual information as well. So I'm going
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to do a reading real quick. Greta Gerwig talks about
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securing stairway to heaven. Quote, I showed them and I
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talked to them. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page. Note, I
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did Google. Does John Paul Jones not make decisions for
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Zeppelin anymore? And apparently he stepped down in 2021 from
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their publishing thing. And I was so moved that they
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allowed me to use the song. They did it because
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they saw the heart of the story in the film
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and they too love C.S.
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Lewis and have a reverence for his work.
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it got to be this song. The song is exactly
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the story of the movie. It's an epic song. It's
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an amazing song. It's a narrative. It's about a spiritual journey.
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It's about the path of enlightenment and spirituality. And then
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this path of false idols and the wrong roads you
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can go down. And I was like, this is exactly
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the story of our movie. It's a spiritual quest. So
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to do this, this was the song that made sense
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to introduce me to this world. But this song, they
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had not let it be used in anything. So, I mean, yeah,
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if you're going to go make a pitch to Robert Plant,
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that sounds like a Robert Plant-ass pitch. If you were
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just like, it's like a spiritual journey, Robert. Like, it's
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about false idols. It's about like, show him that you
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understood what he was saying. And maybe no one had
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ever done that before.
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Yeah. No, I think that's fascinating. We can spend a
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lot of time on that.
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You know, again, we both love music and, and stairway
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famously almost used in Wayne's world.
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Not quite.
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They couldn't, couldn't pay, couldn't get it. It couldn't work out.
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Comes a memorable sequence or some other examples. I think
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you had two off air, but you can share, but yeah,
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that's a great needle drop is a great needle drop. I,
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sometimes you just need the song, right? Like, like if
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you're going to play space hogs, maybe, you know, maybe
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in the meantime or in the meantime, it's the actual
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title song.
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Like, That's one of my favorite songs of all time.
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Half the time, I don't even understand the lyrics and
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I've heard the song for 35 years or so, you know,
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30 years. But this is why we love art. This
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is why we're talking about it. This is why I'm
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already more excited to see the movie just based on
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your description. She got what they were doing. She gets
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what she's doing. She gets what it's about. This is
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not just a book adaptation of something that you liked
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as a kid. This has meaning to pull out and
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apply to not only now, but to all of all time.
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And Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, sitting probably in some
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private screening room.
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Going like, oh, yeah, yeah, you got it. You got it.
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Do it. Take it. Take the song.
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It adds so much energy.
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And also, this is a separate conversation, a technical thing.
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Trailers also have to edit songs in a certain way
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to fit the trailer. And, and to be really nerdy
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about it, I love the way that they cut up
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stairway for it.
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I love the parts that they use. And I love
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like the visual.
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I rewound it like 10 times, like Aslan roaring Narnia
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into existence. And then right as it, right as the
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shot gets wider, it's, you know, bottoms, the drum fills like, Oh,
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it's like, I would have been jumping up and down
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if I was in that editing room.
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It's crazy.
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And it looks, just moving into other things, you pair
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that with the way that the wood between, not the
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world between worlds, that'd be old Dave Filoni, the wood
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between worlds, which, how come no one's ever asked Dave
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Filoni about that? That's got to be a reference, right?
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Well, now we will. Now people will be on top
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of mind. It will be top of mind.
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The wood between worlds, the way that the props look,
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the way that the I believe it's Jadis who becomes
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the White Witch, which they put out there already in
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the trailer. You get to see the White Witch look.
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Looks beautiful. That's played by Emma Mackey, who I'm very
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excited about. She's in Sex Education. Amazing actress who has
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always been really close to getting big roles and hasn't
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gotten them. And so I'm glad that she was almost
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Lois Lane in Superman. She was almost Catwoman. And now
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she finally gets a big genre role like this, and
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I'm excited for that. What else stuck out for you
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in this as somebody that read it or remembers it?
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Yeah, this is, you know, this is a falling into
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a bigger world.
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I love that the trailer acknowledges the Lion, the Witch,
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and the Wardrobe, which is, by all accounts, the introduction
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to this world for most of us. Again, I said
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there was later on some letters to C.S. Lewis saying, hey,
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you know, actually Magician's Nephew. I think I read it
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as book five. I think Greta said she read it
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as like book six or what I think was there
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seven books in the series total I.
446
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Think it's like yeah yeah it's the second to last
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one I just can't okay.
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Okay uh yeah um and I and I shared how
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when I read it as a young kid by the
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time I got to that I was like where the
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hell's everybody where's Chris Caspian Where's that little rat guy?
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Reach Pete.
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Where's everybody?
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I had no idea. I was too young.
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So I think it's an interesting choice to acknowledge that
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what they're doing is they're starting here.
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And then to me, it's not a prequel.
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Now you don't have to have that thing hanging over
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it as a prequel. It is the first step into
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a larger world. And I think the aesthetic and everything
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about it. And we talked about how she moved the
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moved the time frame of the movies from like, you know,
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it's up into the World War Two era where previously
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that's where which wardrobe started.
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That was the whole thing.
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The kids were going out to the countryside to get
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out of the bombings.
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So now you're kind of moving all there. I didn't
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I didn't. And I had some mind– I'm not concerned.
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I just– so I'm like, oh, okay. That's interesting.
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Let's see what they can do with that. We'll trust her.
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We talked about that. But it was not even on
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my mind because they've just– the trailer just absolutely for
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me set the tone for this world that we're about
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to crawl into and spend a lot of time in
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it if the series goes on.
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And I think it will.
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I think it will too. I hope it will.
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I'm glad that Netflix is doing a theatrical release. It's
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going to get IMAX screens. Not that like that's something
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that we normally talk about on this channel, but just
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because– it's, it's something to be concerned about when there's
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only fricking three companies. Um, but the, yeah, I also,
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you know, just to round it out, cause we don't
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want to go too long on this, but the, the
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last thing I wanted to address just cause it's been
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a theme here on casually talk that we've talked about
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a lot or not story theme, but a theme for
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our conversations is when do you break the aesthetic and
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when do you not?
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And there's always been like.
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The, you know, we've talked about the del Toro hobbits
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that never were, and how different they would have looked
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and the criticisms around rings of power that people say
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it looks too much like this take. And this is
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that brave. No, I'm kicking the door down. We're doing
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something else. It's art nouveau.
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It's extremely colorful. It's very CGI heavy. It's very color pop.
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And I think Aslan himself or herself itself in this
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version is probably the best example because it's, I think
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it's brave to do a teaser trailer for a new
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take and not show them the character that they would
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have been able to latch on to, except you kind
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of do, but it immediately says, but it's not a
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physical lion. Look at this cosmic entity that registers as
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a lion. Look at these slow shots of the kids
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just like staring at it, like overcome. She talked about
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awe with Aslan. Greta Gerwig said like, he's awesome in
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the way that the word actually means. Like before we
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started using it for everything, like he actually stops people
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cold with his presence.
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Uh, and I love that that was here and that
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it says.
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Like, Hey, it ain't going to be this, just the
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physical Liam Neeson line that you remember, get on board
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with it now.
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And I think that that's, that's cool. And that's brave.
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And I, it kind of makes me wish that like,
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I don't know, I would love to see some other
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fantasy worlds is radically changed.
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I don't know if we will. Hmm. In our lifetimes,
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you know, like when George R.R.
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Martin's gone and then in like 40 years, does someone
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do Game of Thrones again?
525
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And like, it looks completely different. Like I would be
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open to it.
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It's swing in London.
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It's Mike, Mike Myers.
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Now, I love your description of that. And I think
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it was a great show. As of course, Meryl Streep
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will be portraying Aslan in terms of voice form.
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Uh, that's there as well.
533
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Yeah, no, uh, you know, and it's exciting to think here, man,
534
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that this is, um, definitely for a new generation, you know,
535
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here I am, I'm an old man talking about this
536
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and I've been around for a lot of versions. Uh, not,
537
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I wasn't there when the books were released a little after, uh,
538
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but the animated series that I cried Aslan's passing and, and, uh,
539
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you know, um, uh, it should get very religious coded,
540
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but as a kid, I cried.
541
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It was horrible.
542
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You know, you know, this series is deep in a
543
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lot of hearts and minds and souls, but it's going to, Um,
544
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not just before the kids, it's going to be for, Hey,
545
00:23:45.349 --> 00:23:48.359
this next generation wants something to grab onto in terms of, uh,
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what are you talking about in terms of like the, the, the, the,
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the aesthetic switch and change. That's one of the things
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that I I'm fully in control of. And I personally,
549
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for others, again, for all you see us Lewis heads
550
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who are in the, uh, in the chat, actually tell
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us what you think. I'm half joking, but I want
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to know, but, um, I have no, I'm not gripping
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tight to any vision of this series. Um, Most of
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the visions of the series came from my imagination as
555
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a kid reading it, right? So it's fertile ground for
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what she wants to do with it, and I'm excited.
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I agree.
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I agree. And I also am curious to see how
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much of a one-and-done it is.
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I'm excited to see.
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I mean, we're still so early. I mean, it's not
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until February, so we've got a lot of time to
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learn more, but... um did she did she create this
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with the the feeling of like oh if it's a
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hit i'll do more or is she's like i'm gonna
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pass the baton and since this world is always changing
567
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and dying and reborn like narnia also like mythologically to
568
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my understanding of it allows i think for some of
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this as well because it does start and get reshaped
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and get created and every when we pick up with
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it like like what the difference between the, the, you know,
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the siblings and Caspian is a long ass time. Like
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it's like extremely multi-generational. Is that a creative opportunity for
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someone to come in and say, all right, well, Greta's
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world has fallen. And so what does this look like?
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Is it the next type of rock? Is it the,
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it's full of potential. So I'm excited.
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If we take, if we play out the timeline, the
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needle drop might be, you know, olivia origo or something
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at this point we don't know.
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I know we'll be so far into.
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The we're gonna get like lion witch in the wardrobe
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trailer with like champagne supernova over it with like which
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like write that down that's a great idea slowly walking
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down the hall faster than a cannonball yeah that's perfect
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and then and then the last battle we'll have red
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wine supernova over it and we'll be all the way down.
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I heard you like, you know, magic. Okay.
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We just wanted to touch upon it. And like you
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00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:05.880
said up top, and if you've stayed, stayed this long,
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I bet you're here for the conversation. We're really here
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for this fantasy series that has a chance to really
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be impactful in terms of art and just have some
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fun with it. Game of Thrones is probably why he
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subscribed here. And that's why we'll keep doing that. Also
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rings of power coming back at all. Then we're going
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to be doing the, something like a pre rewatch and
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discussion as we build up to a season three of
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rings of power.
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Yeah, indeed.
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Indeed.
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Indeed.
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00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:28.059
I'm very excited for that.
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It's going to be a depressing fall unless you're Sauron, in.
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Which case it's going to be a great fall. So
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get ready for that.
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It's hot Sauron season, baby. All right. Uh, that is it. Subscribe, uh,
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like comment. If you're watching YouTube on the audio side,
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we appreciate you listening there. We'll see you next time.
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New York castle.
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Bye.
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Thank you.
