Anna Delvey

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What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father,
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Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Hello, everyone. Welcome back
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to another episode of Call Her Daddy. I am your host,
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Alexandra Cooper, and I am here today to answer the
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question that everyone has been asking on the internet. Who
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the fuck is Anna Delvey? She has family money. She's
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a European socialite. She has a trust fund. It's just
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tied up. She'll be good for it. She'll wire you
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the money. What is that accent? Oh, my God. She's
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really high up in the art world, I heard. I
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heard that she's a German heiress. Her real name is
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Anna Sorokin, but she changed her name to Anna Delvey
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when she arrived in New York City, and she pretended
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to be someone that she was not. She inserted herself
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into the world of art and fashion and finance in
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the greatest city in the world, New York. Anna Delvey
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quite literally walked into banks and convinced these rich dick
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investors that her idea, an art club for New York society,
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was worth investing millions and millions of dollars into. Now
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you're probably thinking, why would they invest if this girl
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has no money? because she forged bank documents and falsely
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claimed that she had $ 60 million in a trust, which
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she absolutely did not. Anna lived in fancy New York
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City hotels, and she racked up over $ 30, 000 in unpaid
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room charges. She promised she was going to pay them back,
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but she couldn't. She was well-known, mysterious, convincing. Her life
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was a dream come true. Until... It wasn't. Anna Sorokin
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was arrested on October 3rd, 2017, and rejected a plea deal,
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and she stood trial. Anna was convicted of eight guilty charges,
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including grand larceny in the second degree, attempted grand larceny,
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and theft of service. Anna was sentenced to four to
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12 years in prison, fined $ 24, 000, and ordered to pay
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almost $ 200, 000 in restitution. She went to prison for her crimes.
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At the time of our interview on Monday, March 7th,
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so about a week ago, Anna was detained in upstate
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New York at the Orange County Correctional Facility. This was
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the first interview that I conducted with someone physically in prison.
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And I want to prepare you for what you're going
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to see and hear. Due to COVID restrictions, I was
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unable to visit the prison. So I interviewed Anna over
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a video chat app specifically designed for inmates. The app
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only allows 15 minutes per call. So throughout the episode,
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you're going to hear us pause mid interview because our
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15 minutes were up and I'd have to wait for
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her to call me back. Also at times you may
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hear other conversations happening in the background. Anna was in
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the common room with her inmates and we had no
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control over the noise level and who was coming into
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the room at the time. So also you're about to
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hear Anna talk about the fear of being deported. She
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does not want to go back to Germany. She wants
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to stay in the United States. But earlier this week,
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it was announced that Anna Sorokin was released from jail
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and ordered to return to Germany. But apparently she also
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may not be getting deported or she's not on that
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plane because it's currently unclear where Anna Sorokin is. Everyone
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thought she was getting on a plane to go back
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to Germany and all the news outlets are saying she didn't.
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So where the fuck is Anna Delphi? Am I shocked
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that she didn't get on the plane and she got
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her way out of it? No, not really. Nothing with
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Anna shocks me anymore. Daddy gang, this is is Anna Sorokin.
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Anna, it's so nice to meet you finally. So nice
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to meet you too.
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To clarify, should I refer to you as Anna Delvey,
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not Anna Sorokin?
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Sure, yeah. Are you ever going to legally change.
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It?
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I mean, I should if they like ever let me
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out of jail for longer than six weeks.
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You're like, the first thing I'm doing is going shopping.
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The second thing I'm doing is changing my fucking name.
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The first thing I'm going to do is laser my
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eyes because I'm so sick and.
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Tired of all these glasses for some reason.
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People think it's like an accessory, but like I'm half blind.
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I can't see anything.
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What is your daily routine like right now in jail?
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Um, well, there is none because here, like, in jail,
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you just kind of do whatever you want. So, um,
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I kind of wake up, like, they bring mail super early. Um,
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and I get all kinds of mail now. It's just
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so crazy.
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Um, I have, like, people wanting to adopt me.
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I don't, like, get any haters. I guess they just go, like,
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to my IG or to Twitter.
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Have you gotten any love letters?
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Definitely more marriage proposals than I ever did before my, um,
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criminal life.
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Career started you should be like let me see your
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w2 and then we'll have a conversation.
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I have a jail assistant so I'll have her do
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that you have a jail assistant can you explain what
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does a jail assistant do we have tablets where I'm
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like video chatting you from but the tablets die like
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all the time so I'll go for like maybe two
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or three but there are some people who don't use
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theirs like I'm buying tablets of other people and like
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their phone minutes because the phone is like so tricky
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so I'm just doing all kinds of things.
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You're working the system as you know best.
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I know yeah it's just like.
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So did you have a hustle because I remember when
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I interviewed Amanda Knox she was saying basically like your
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skills become your currency almost like did you have a
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hustle at all at Rikers.
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No not at all it's like if you have money
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you don't really have to do anything It's just like,
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I mean, in Rikers, like, you cannot do your laundry. Like,
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you have to, like, hand wash it. So you just
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pay somebody to do it.
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So you were paying people off in jail to just, like,
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do your stuff?
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Yeah, absolutely. They actually think I'm, like, super rich, so.
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Where were you getting the money to pay them?
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Well, they don't care about that.
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And you were getting money from.
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Your bank account. Yeah. In Rikers, you kind of became
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popular among the inmates. What do you think they liked
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about you, Anna?
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Oh, that's a good question for them. I don't know.
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Do you think you're a likable character?
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I don't know.
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It's not something I want to like say about myself.
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I hope I am. I try not to be insufferable.
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I don't know.
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You told New York Magazine reporter Jessica Pressler of all
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the people that you met in prison, you found the
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murderers the most interesting. What do you remember about the
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conversations that you had with them?
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I guess the most kind of revelatory thing about it
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is like they're just normal and they're just like you
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and me. So many crimes that just like happen like
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in a moment, just like that. And then your life
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is just like never the same as opposed to mine,
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which was kind of like a buildup and it was
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like years in the making.
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So, and that's like the difference.
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I imagine I would have been so much more upset
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if I like got mad and just whatever shot my
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boyfriend and then I would just have all my life
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would be taken away.
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I have to call you back. It's like three seconds.
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Yeah. Okay, I'm hoping we can fucking hear her. Okay.
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What do I do? Press use my balance to pay? Okay.
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Do not disturb. Okay, we're back.
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Okay this is what you're asking what I need an
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assistant for.
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Holy shit okay let's go back to your childhood as
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a little girl what did you want to be when
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you grew up I always.
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Wanted to be in fashion definitely I did not know
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what exactly, but, um, I don't know. I like grew
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up watching MTV and I thought like fashion PR is
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just the coolest thing. Um, I remember like watching Kelly Katron,
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so stuff like that.
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I don't know. I didn't really know, but.
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I just like, I loved print and I love magazines.
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So I either wanted to be like on one side
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or the other.
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And you were born in Russia. Do you still have
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family and friends there? Are they being affected by the
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war right now?
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No.
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Well, your parents and your family packed up and moved
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to Germany when you were 15. Why did your family
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have to move and did you want to go?
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Well, my dad owned like a business, like a trucking business.
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They were like having like drivers go back and forth
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transporting like goods across Europe. And he was partners with
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like some German person. And that's how he relocated.
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Did your mom have a job?
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No, my mom had like the second child, my little
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brother at the time.
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So he was pretty young. So she was like busy
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with him.
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Did you and your parents get along growing up?
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On and off. I was like never best friends with
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my parents. And they kind of like let me do
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my thing, I'd say.
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What would you guys fight about, if anything?
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Well, I just hated to be told what to do.
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Or like I hated on them to like put any
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restrictions on.
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Like, about any rules.
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I was just, like, allergic to authority or, like, to rules,
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especially when I thought they were unreasonable. And, like, I
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just hated to explain myself. Because I was just so
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used to being given freedom. And then, like, when that was,
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when they attempted to take it away or impose some
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kind of, like, restrictions on me, I did not really react.
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Like, what would they try to take away if you
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were getting in trouble?
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Like, my car, where I could not, like, go and
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spend the night at my friend's house. Or just, yeah, like,
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I could not go out, or they would just, like,
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try to financially restrict me, especially my.
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Mom, and I hated that. I never wanted to be, like,
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controlled with money.
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Did you ever then consider at a young age, like,
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getting a job since, like, you wanted to have financial independence?
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Um.
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yeah yes and no like none of my friends really
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had a job that was not a thing I don't
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know oh no I actually had a job so um
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my dad was renting out um we had like this
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huge whatever some kind of like industrial building and this
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like solar company was renting it from them so they
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employed me and they're like totally overpaid me I got
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like a paid vacation after like just Working for them
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for six weeks because they were like American and they
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didn't know like German boys. And they literally gave me
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like paid Christmas vacation. I got like 1500 just for
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doing nothing.
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But I was extremely overpaid.
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I was making like 30 euros an hour or something
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like that.
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Do you think you were more like obsessed with money
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than the average kid? I don't know.
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I just wanted to have the freedom that comes with it.
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What did you want to do?
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I wouldn't say.
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I just want to like to do what I wanted.
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I don't know, just like go, I don't know, travel
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and go places and do things without having like, because
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if you ask your parents for money, like you need
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that permission, right?
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But if you have your own, you just go and
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do whatever you want.
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So I guess like money just always kind of represented
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freedom for me, not just like for the sake, for
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the sake of the money.
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So were you closer if you had to say with
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your mom or your dad?
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I'd say I would stay with my dad because I
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would have more freedom and less oversight.
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And well, it would give me more money too, definitely.
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Where do you think your aversion to authority started?
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I'd say, I guess it's pretty strongly worded, aversion to authority.
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I just, I don't know.
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I guess because my parents, like I was really good
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in school when I was younger. So they just trusted
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my judgment and then just let me do whatever I
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wanted to.
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But then when I kind of started.
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Getting older, when I was like, Oh, maybe I don't
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need to like spend two months studying this geography book
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because I'm really not that interested. So when I kind
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of like started to catch on to that and I
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started to like, oh, maybe we need to like get
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her to do something. I guess it just like stepped
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in too late. I don't want to like blame stuff
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on my parents, but it's like, if you kind of
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grow up, like I guess when you're like 16, 17
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is not really the age to start imposing roles on somebody.
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If you like fail to do so.
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Do you think you also got worse as a teenager
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to your parents once you moved to Germany and you
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started to like rebel a little bit more?
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Um, I definitely, I think that's like the same for everybody.
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You know, like when you realize your parents are not
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all that, like, yeah.
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Yeah.
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People around the world are imitating your accent and it
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is one of the most popular sounds on TikTok right now.
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Did you know that?
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Oh, really? No, I did not. So what do you think?
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Do I sound the way like they portrayed me?
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You know, I think a lot of people are talking
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about it, how like the show Inventing Anna on Netflix
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is dramatizing your accent.
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Yeah.
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What has been the wildest thing that you've heard about
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your accent? Um.
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When I heard Julia talking like me the first time,
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I'm like, oh my gosh, do I sound this insufferable?
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It's just so weird hearing yourself.
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It's like the same when you just hear your voice
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being recorded.
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It's totally different from the way you hear yourself when
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you speak.
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I don't know.
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At this point, I'm just so used to it.
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I don't know.
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And to everyone that thought it was fake, I mean.
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People just say so many things about me. I just
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don't care. It's just the way I speak. I don't know.
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I never put on any accents. It's just the way
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I talk. Did anybody ever hear me speak any different?
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Then they should like come up with the evidence. Whoever
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accused me of that. I want to see the proof.
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So then let's talk.
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Oh, no. 60 seconds left. Okay. When I close this out,
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I'm going to close the app. And then you'll just
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call me back.
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Okay. I'm going to hang up and, um, I will
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call you like in two minutes. Okay. Bye. Okay.
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We're back. Hey, that was easier than the first time.
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We kind of got it figured out now. Okay. So
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I was someone in there.
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It's okay. Oh yeah. Someone's on the phone. Is it
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too loud?
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Um, yeah, we can wait like a second. It's okay.
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Cause I kind of like made her go away. All right. Okay.
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So let's talk about your move to New York. Why
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did you move to New York?
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Um, Well, I kind of ended up having more friends
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in New York than I did, like, in Paris or
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in Europe or, like, anywhere else.
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And, I don't know, I traveled quite a lot. I
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never just, like, moved, moved.
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What did you love about New York?
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I just love the energy of the city, and I
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just love, like, you can get anything done at any time. It's, like,
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very different from Europe, because in Europe, like, everything's closed
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on Sundays, right? And everything's closed, like, after 5 or
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6 p.m. You cannot, like, pay anybody enough to, like,
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get anything for you.
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And it's just different. Like, I grew up in Europe,
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so I guess it was exciting for me.
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It's always about getting something with you, Anna. So you
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get to New York and you start going to all
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of these popular events and clubs. How did you introduce
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yourself to people?
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Um.
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I don't remember. I guess Anna Delvey.
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So you would just say your name is Anna Delvey.
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What would you say? Where were you from and what
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was your job?
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Well, I was from Germany, which was true. And I
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didn't really like no one ever asked me about my job.
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I feel like that's so interesting because I lived in
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New York and I feel like all anyone cares about
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is asking, what do you do for a living? And
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why did you change your name to Anna Delvey?
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For no reason, really.
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I don't know.
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I really like came up with it randomly. There's like
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no good story behind it. I know like people always
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try to.
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Discover something and that's just not there.
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I don't even know. It just kind of doesn't really
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mean anything. And it was just random.
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You don't view Anna Delvey and Anna Sorokin as two
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different like personalities?
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Absolutely not. No, I like it. There's absolutely no difference. Because, like,
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in jail, they always call me, like, by my government name,
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which is Sorokin. It, like, literally doesn't feel like anything
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to me. There's just nothing. Nothing in there.
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You don't have, like, a personal attachment to your birth
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last name?
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Absolutely not. I don't have an attachment, like, to any countries,
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any names. It's just, like, not my thing. I don't know.
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This is not the way, like, I see myself or
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define myself.
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Do you ever wonder why?
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I don't know. It's hard to explain. I wish it's
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always like this.
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If you could try, like how would you try to
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explain that to someone that doesn't understand, like not identifying
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with anything?
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I don't know.
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I think it's, like, pretty small-minded when you, like, oh,
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if you see somebody, oh, this person is from Germany
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or whatever, this person is from Russia, like, let me... And, like,
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I like them more than I like somebody who is,
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I don't know, from Japan.
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I don't know. I think I was just always kept.
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trying to keep like an open mind or maybe because
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I'm moved around so much.
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I don't feel like I'm from anywhere. I feel like
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I kind of belong nowhere.
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That sounds kind of lonely, Anna. Are you ever lonely?
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But not like in a bad way.
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Wouldn't it be sad when you just like spend your
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whole life in one place?
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I don't think it's about spending your life in one place.
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I think it's about feeling like you belong to something
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and not feeling like you're wandering alone in this life.
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It can be pretty lonely. Yeah.
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But I guess like I choose people, like I choose people,
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the ones I choose to relate to.
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They don't have to be my neighbors or like I
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don't have to grow up with them for me to
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want to be.
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Friends with them.
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How would you have described your friend group when you
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were living in New York?
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I think it's like what was mostly fashion and art people.
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There's like always somebody like, People in New York, they
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always travel. Somebody's like always gone for like a couple
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of months and they come back. So it's like, like
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New York is pretty anonymous. That's why it's just so
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bizarre to me. It's like how these people like just
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assume they know so much about me. It's like, I
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didn't know anything about you either. Like, neither do I care.
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Like nobody asks you, it's like, who are your parents
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and what do they do and how much money they make?
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It's just outrageous.
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So I was going through your Instagram and back in
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2013 and 2014, you were posting mostly like art and
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beautiful views and you would rarely post yourself. Your face
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was usually covered. What was your strategy behind that?
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I love that you like assume there's a strategy behind it. Um,
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there was none.
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I don't know. I'm just kind of like posting what
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I saw. And, um, That was like the beginning of Instagram, right?
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Right.
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And I guess I was just trying to, I was
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like still hanging out around a lot of like art people.
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So I was just like posting a lot of art.
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I say strategy only because I think every single person
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on Instagram can admit, like we are all trying to
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make people feel a certain way about us. Did you
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feel pressured to keep up with the rich people in
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New York City?
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Um, I mean, yeah, I guess like who isn't, I
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will always wanted to like get more stuff or like
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go there, either that restaurant.
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So I guess, yeah, it's fair to say that it was.
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Do you think you would have had the level of
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social success that you had in New York without social media?
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I already saw my social media is like a big
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part of anything, to be honest. Um, people just assumed
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I was trying to impress anybody with whatever, 40, 50,
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60 million. Like it's borderline poor in New York. There
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are just so many rich people in there. Like you
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can't impress anybody.
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It's not even like you had that. So it's like
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Instagram was kind of like the path. If someone's going
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to look you up from a vibe they got, it
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definitely reiterated like, Oh, I feel like this girl looks
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kind of wealthy. Like, art and exhibits and planes so
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it like it it does help the persona a little bit.
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I guess yeah but there was just like always I
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don't know thousands of people who did so I never
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saw myself oh am I like the only person who
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posts something like that there's just like always somebody with
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more followers somebody better so it's like I never saw
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myself oh my gosh, I'm kind of killing like at this.
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So you went to jail for crimes committed while you
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were trying to launch the Anna Delvey Foundation. If you
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could have selected three people to be at the opening
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of your foundation, who would you have selected?
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Oh my gosh, this is such a hard question. Three people,
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alive or dead, alive, right? Yeah. I mean, Anna Wintour-
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That's for fashion.
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And then somebody in tech, like Steve Jobs, if you
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take somebody who's dead.
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Do you care at all about like influencers, like the
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Kardashians or no?
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I mean, there are too many of the Kardashians, so
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it wouldn't fit the three people.
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But would you invite them all?
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I mean, sure. I don't want to discriminate.
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Okay. 27 seconds left. I mean, let's hop back off
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and then get back on.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I mean, I started to, I think, push her a
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little bit more.
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Yeah.
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When I was like, well, you didn't have that money, so.
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When she said, I have no, what was that what
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she said? She was like, I have, I feel no
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connection to anything. Yeah.
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Okay, here we go.
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Okay, let me record. Okay, let's get to the bottom
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of the rumor that you were a German heiress. Did
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you ever, at any point in your life- tell someone
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that you were going to be inheriting money?
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No.
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Okay. Did you ever tell people that you were a
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German heiress?
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No.
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Like, no one introduces yourself like that. Like, what kind
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of sentence is that?
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It's completely ridiculous.
501
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Where do you think that narrative started?
502
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Well, I think people, like, kind of, like, put together
503
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the story after the DGA's office released the original press release.
504
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from when I got arraigned, like, in October 2017, I guess, like.
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00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:50.259
That would be my assumption. But I don't know.
506
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.019
It's hard for me, like, to track this because I
507
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was just in jail that whole time.
508
00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.839
Right. But even prior to you having anything to do
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with the law, like, how did people think that you
510
00:25:59.539 --> 00:26:02.680
were supporting this very expensive life in New York?
511
00:26:04.420 --> 00:26:07.529
Well, like, I cannot, like, testify to what people are
512
00:26:07.549 --> 00:26:08.829
assuming about me. I don't know.
513
00:26:09.569 --> 00:26:12.710
So when you're picking up tabs, like, no one's... No
514
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one ever asked you, like, where do you get all
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this money from?
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I mean, I never was doing, like, anything so super crazy.
517
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.299
I feel like there's just people who are, like, spending,
518
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who were spending way more money than I did.
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00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:32.079
I feel like going to a hotel and spending $ 63, 000, like,
520
00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:33.720
that's kind of a lot, Anna.
521
00:26:35.140 --> 00:26:37.440
Yeah, well, that was not, like, a daily basis. That
522
00:26:37.460 --> 00:26:38.779
was just, like, a one-time thing.
523
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But even living in a hotel, that's, that's, In New
524
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York City, that's a lot of fucking money.
525
00:26:44.430 --> 00:26:47.890
I actually don't feel that way because I know so
526
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many people who live in a hotel and it's actually
527
00:26:49.930 --> 00:26:52.809
cheaper than like renting an apartment where you have to
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commit for like a whole year and you can't travel.
529
00:26:55.829 --> 00:26:58.210
Did you choose to live in a hotel because in
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New York City, like you have to show your finances
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if you're going to get a lease and like that
532
00:27:03.140 --> 00:27:03.759
would have been hard?
533
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.839
Well, I just didn't want to like commit for a
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year because I knew I was not going to be
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in one place for one year. Even because of my visa,
536
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because I had to leave all the time. And I
537
00:27:16.230 --> 00:27:19.369
just didn't want to like, yeah, being just stuck in
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one place.
539
00:27:20.430 --> 00:27:23.490
So you think that everyone around you just assumed this
540
00:27:23.529 --> 00:27:26.279
girl's really rich. We don't know where she has this money.
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00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.400
And you never explained where you got all the money from.
542
00:27:30.569 --> 00:27:33.089
I mean, I never asked anybody where they get their
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money from. So, like, I never wondered about how anybody's
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paying for their bill.
545
00:27:37.630 --> 00:27:40.259
So I just assumed people would be, like, approaching it
546
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.220
the same way. I really don't care.
547
00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:45.559
Yeah, no, your New York experience is very different than mine.
548
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.700
So no one ever asked you point blank about how
549
00:27:48.740 --> 00:27:49.640
you had any money?
550
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:55.089
No, absolutely not. I guess, like, maybe you'll have, like,
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you have a different friend circle.
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I can't imagine.
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And it's like, or like the people, I remember people
554
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like being pretty secretive.
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I don't know.
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It's just nobody's business.
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I know people who like still, I don't know, their
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husband is paying, they love whatever, their spouse will support.
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And like some of the things you just don't want
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to be vocal about.
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But see, even you just knew they were getting their
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payment from their partner. Like you kind of still know.
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It's shocking that no one was ever like, where the
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fuck are you getting this shit, Anna?
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Well, nobody was asking me that to my face.
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How do you think, though, this whole narrative that you
596
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did have all this money, like, how do you think
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that benefited your life?
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Um, I guess it's just easier like to ask somebody,
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I don't know, for 20 million.
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So it was easier for you to walk into a
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room and ask for more money because people assumed you
602
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had a lot of money?
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I guess, yeah.
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Other than changing your name, what about your life when
605
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.680
you were living in New York did you lie about?
606
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.400
Did you lie about like your family's background or wealth
607
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or how much money you had?
608
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Um, I guess I did.
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I mean, I cannot like tell an exact instance, but
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I'm sure, but all of that, I never like told
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any senseless lies.
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Unless it were like a bank.
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00:31:02.049 --> 00:31:04.259
So the purpose of you lying though, was to get
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something that would benefit you.
615
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.299
Definitely. Yeah. So it's like if I were just to meet,
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I don't know, like some girl in a social situation,
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00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:15.470
like I really don't care what someone thought. First of all,
618
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it's none of their business. Second of all, there's nothing
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00:31:18.450 --> 00:31:19.289
you can do for me.
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00:31:19.670 --> 00:31:23.279
You just like walked through these fucking doors into some
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00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:28.160
of the world's largest financial establishments, asked for money and
622
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.170
they gave it to you. When you would walk into
623
00:31:31.210 --> 00:31:34.470
these rooms with these men, Anna, like what was your vibe?
624
00:31:34.549 --> 00:31:38.900
Like were you super outspoken and loud and confident or
625
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:40.539
were you kind of coy about it and you kind
626
00:31:40.579 --> 00:31:43.680
of let like the accent and the mystery speak for itself?
627
00:31:43.700 --> 00:31:45.799
I don't even know. I think I'm like the same
628
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.529
I am right now with you. I don't know. There's
629
00:31:48.549 --> 00:31:51.250
just like no other mode. I'm not like a performer.
630
00:31:52.569 --> 00:31:52.990
You are.
631
00:31:53.029 --> 00:31:55.730
You're very confusing. Really?
632
00:31:55.769 --> 00:32:01.150
Yeah. There's just nothing else behind this. I don't know.
633
00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:05.920
Nothing else behind it, Anna. Absolutely nothing is behind this. Yeah.
634
00:32:06.259 --> 00:32:08.539
But like, okay, so let's pretend we're in the room
635
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.599
with you. So you're saying you would kind of just
636
00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:13.859
do this. Like your vibe is just chill and you're
637
00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:19.900
just pitching them your vision, take it or leave it. Um, yeah.
638
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.559
And I would, I would always kind of show up
639
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:23.900
under dress because I felt like if I would like
640
00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:28.019
show up, um, like, I don't know, in heels or, like,
641
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.700
I don't know, with some kind of, like, I don't know, like,
642
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:34.279
with a tight dress. I gave them, like, this I
643
00:32:34.299 --> 00:32:37.339
don't give a fuck vibe, which was, like, pretty much
644
00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:40.000
accurate because if it wouldn't be them, it would be
645
00:32:40.059 --> 00:32:43.579
somebody else because in the end, they are, like, all disposable.
646
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.829
There's just so many financial institutions in New York.
647
00:32:46.420 --> 00:32:51.190
So you purposely would dress not as nice because you
648
00:32:51.250 --> 00:32:54.630
thought it would insinuate what?
649
00:32:56.289 --> 00:32:58.730
Like I didn't really care much to impress them and
650
00:32:58.789 --> 00:33:00.789
they should be the ones trying to impress me.
651
00:33:01.930 --> 00:33:03.089
I'm calling you right back.
652
00:33:03.109 --> 00:33:07.859
Okay, okay. Okay, now we're fucking getting into it. Oh shit,
653
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.279
do not disturb. We're back. Yes. Okay, so we were
654
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.940
just talking about your, you would dress really raggedy. You
655
00:33:18.380 --> 00:33:22.109
are so confident, but we're all human. Have you ever
656
00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:23.650
felt insecurities before?
657
00:33:25.710 --> 00:33:27.509
I feel insecurities like all the time.
658
00:33:27.529 --> 00:33:31.039
What are some of your insecurities?
659
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:33.500
I don't know everything.
660
00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:36.039
I'm like, I feel like I'm more paranoid than I
661
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:40.740
ever was. And just about like things going bad. I'm
662
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:41.559
just everything.
663
00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:43.519
So try to explain that.
664
00:33:43.539 --> 00:33:48.140
I don't know.
665
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.569
It's just like, Now I feel like I'm at the
666
00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:58.500
mercy of public opinion and I'm trying to stay away from...
667
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.740
seeing myself the way other people see me, but it's
668
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:05.180
just really hard. And I feel like my case is just, like,
669
00:34:05.259 --> 00:34:07.970
being thrown into my face every day. There's no way that...
670
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.349
You know, like, for some people, they commit a crime
671
00:34:10.429 --> 00:34:12.670
and they go to jail and, like, they are out
672
00:34:12.769 --> 00:34:14.389
and that's it. They have, like, a way to move
673
00:34:14.510 --> 00:34:16.570
on and to forget about it and not having to
674
00:34:16.610 --> 00:34:19.250
deal with it. Other than, like, having a felony on
675
00:34:19.269 --> 00:34:21.730
your record, like, it will never be like that for me.
676
00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:24.670
Just never, ever in my life. Like, it will always
677
00:34:24.730 --> 00:34:26.539
follow me in some way. So, um.
678
00:34:29.989 --> 00:34:32.150
I mean, getting back to your question about insecurities, it's
679
00:34:32.170 --> 00:34:36.019
just everything. And it's like, I'm so scared to like,
680
00:34:36.059 --> 00:34:39.340
kind of suck up again. And for everybody to say, oh,
681
00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:41.820
she was a fraud all along. And we knew that.
682
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:43.920
And like, why would anybody give her a chance? So
683
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:49.239
that's always there. Yeah, just things like that.
684
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.559
You're choosing to do interviews. Is there an angle you're
685
00:34:52.579 --> 00:34:54.500
trying to take so that people can get to know
686
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:54.679
you more?
687
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:58.349
I mean, why not?
688
00:34:58.369 --> 00:35:00.929
But I'm also writing a book and I'm working on
689
00:35:00.969 --> 00:35:02.150
my own podcast.
690
00:35:02.329 --> 00:35:04.900
Who is your dream podcast guest?
691
00:35:07.690 --> 00:35:11.110
Um who is my dream podcast guest oh my gosh
692
00:35:11.130 --> 00:35:14.650
I have so many Cyrus Vance I'd love to speak
693
00:35:14.690 --> 00:35:20.820
to him the prosecutor he'd never go for it I
694
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.300
was like you know like to my prosecutors I would
695
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.760
love to speak to them it's just like I don't
696
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.820
know don't you want to like find out why why
697
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.159
a person who like hates you I wouldn't say like
698
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:32.329
the word hates you but like who has so much
699
00:35:32.409 --> 00:35:36.289
negative stuff um on you or like whose job it
700
00:35:36.329 --> 00:35:40.670
was to like kind of um get you like imprison
701
00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:42.250
you like Right.
702
00:35:42.269 --> 00:35:44.929
Just what they really think of you. It's like, you know,
703
00:35:44.949 --> 00:35:47.679
the same way like you engage with your haters on
704
00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:50.219
like social media. Right. It's like, can you tell me
705
00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:51.559
why you hate me?
706
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.400
I mean, I think it's a little different because I
707
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.920
think they probably just wanted to like correctly punish you
708
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.989
from the crimes you committed. It's America. There are laws,
709
00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:05.269
you know. So one of your iconic trademarks was tipping
710
00:36:05.269 --> 00:36:10.489
$ 100 bills everywhere to everyone. As someone attempting to start
711
00:36:10.530 --> 00:36:13.989
a business, why did you so freely give away your money?
712
00:36:14.010 --> 00:36:16.550
So like if I live in a hotel and like
713
00:36:16.610 --> 00:36:19.650
there's somebody who always helps me with something, like it's
714
00:36:19.690 --> 00:36:21.750
totally okay for me to like tip them a couple
715
00:36:21.809 --> 00:36:25.349
hundred every now and then. I did not just like
716
00:36:25.369 --> 00:36:27.510
throw $ 100 bills at like random people.
717
00:36:28.190 --> 00:36:28.769
And I don't know.
718
00:36:28.809 --> 00:36:30.929
I just like I had so many people in service.
719
00:36:31.809 --> 00:36:34.070
which is so nice to me, and they literally make
720
00:36:34.150 --> 00:36:34.829
all the difference.
721
00:36:35.389 --> 00:36:37.889
Do you think that you'll continue doing that once you
722
00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:38.530
are free?
723
00:36:38.550 --> 00:36:40.929
I feel like now I have to.
724
00:36:40.949 --> 00:36:48.500
Anna, you've got to protect your money, girl. Everyone's going
725
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.079
to keep trying to wait on you anytime they see
726
00:36:51.099 --> 00:36:54.659
you at a restaurant. She's keeping the tradition alive.
727
00:36:55.929 --> 00:36:57.280
I feel like I can't disappoint.
728
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.139
You should worry about your bank account. Okay, so have
729
00:37:01.179 --> 00:37:03.880
you ever admitted to committing any crimes?
730
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.820
No, I went on trial, so I never pled guilty. Sorry,
731
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.500
the person is just so loud. Okay, let me call
732
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.280
you back, all right?
733
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:13.360
Okay, okay, okay, bye.
734
00:37:13.389 --> 00:37:15.889
It's gonna be like 15 minutes or something.
735
00:37:15.909 --> 00:37:17.230
It's okay, it's okay, don't worry.
736
00:37:17.389 --> 00:37:18.809
Okay, sure. Your phone?
737
00:37:18.829 --> 00:37:23.880
What kind of phone do you have? Oh my gosh, okay. Dude,
738
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.280
that's so bad. I had to, it was too, it's
739
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.280
so loud. I think the issue is that she's having
740
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.940
this awakening that like, it was at least some insight.
741
00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:35.610
The fact that she said, I don't want to come
742
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.510
out and people be like, oh, she like, she's her
743
00:37:39.699 --> 00:37:42.309
ego is now like, oh, I don't want people to
744
00:37:42.369 --> 00:37:44.650
think like, oh, it was a flop. Like she's not.
745
00:37:46.130 --> 00:37:54.179
And it's like. Okay. Okay. Is it quiet now?
746
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.619
Yes, well, everybody's gone, so.
747
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.300
Okay, so what was going through your head that first
748
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:02.920
night that you spent in jail?
749
00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:08.539
God, I don't even know. It was kind of terrifying. Like,
750
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.639
I blocked it off. It was just awful. And there were, like,
751
00:38:12.739 --> 00:38:15.400
so many people there. There were, like, a lot of
752
00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:17.389
people for DUIs, a lot of, like.
753
00:38:19.289 --> 00:38:22.630
Sex workers. It was, um, interesting.
754
00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:27.409
If you had been granted bail, where would you have
755
00:38:27.610 --> 00:38:28.369
gotten the money?
756
00:38:28.389 --> 00:38:30.710
I wouldn't find a way.
757
00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:36.769
If you weren't yourself and you knew about Anna Delvey,
758
00:38:36.869 --> 00:38:38.829
would you loan Anna Delvey money?
759
00:38:38.849 --> 00:38:47.630
Um, I would definitely because like, I felt like I
760
00:38:47.670 --> 00:38:50.510
would definitely go out of my way to pay somebody back.
761
00:38:50.829 --> 00:38:53.150
But did you ever pay Rachel back?
762
00:38:55.090 --> 00:38:59.380
Well, she got paid back from Amex and I'm not
763
00:38:59.420 --> 00:39:00.500
allowed to reach out to her.
764
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.179
I put it out there. If she feels like I
765
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.300
owe her any money, she knows ways to reach me.
766
00:39:06.739 --> 00:39:08.880
What was it like to face Rachel for the first
767
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:09.570
time in court?
768
00:39:11.269 --> 00:39:13.090
It was great. It was very exciting.
769
00:39:13.699 --> 00:39:18.199
She did not look my way a single time. Apart
770
00:39:18.260 --> 00:39:21.900
from whether I have to identify you, if I'm the person,
771
00:39:22.579 --> 00:39:23.719
that was the only time.
772
00:39:23.570 --> 00:39:26.809
She looked my way, which was, I guess, telling. If
773
00:39:27.130 --> 00:39:29.889
uh you feel so defrauded and if you're so righteous
774
00:39:29.909 --> 00:39:34.559
like wouldn't you want to like look your abuser quote
775
00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:36.820
unquote or whatever the people are called.
776
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.239
Did you just stare at her the whole.
777
00:39:38.139 --> 00:39:40.579
Time absolutely yes.
778
00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:45.630
Do you ever feel any guilt that Rachel was left
779
00:39:45.690 --> 00:39:50.309
with that $ 63, 000 tab before Amex obviously refunded her?
780
00:39:50.329 --> 00:39:52.730
I mean, I was always saying that it was a
781
00:39:52.750 --> 00:39:56.800
really unfortunate situation. And I was like, I never said, like,
782
00:39:56.900 --> 00:39:59.860
I'm so awesome and I did nothing wrong. It was just, like,
783
00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:03.869
a really unfortunate situation. And I did let her pay it.
784
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:06.380
And I knew there was a chance I could not
785
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:09.380
repay her. But, like, for me, at that point was.
786
00:40:11.150 --> 00:40:13.329
Like I was going to go through with my project
787
00:40:13.369 --> 00:40:15.699
and everything was going to work out. So for me
788
00:40:15.739 --> 00:40:18.900
to say, to tell Rachel, it's like, oh, hey, maybe
789
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:20.780
there is a chance that I'm not going to pay
790
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:22.300
you back. It would be the same for me as
791
00:40:22.349 --> 00:40:24.909
to admit like my project is not going to work out.
792
00:40:25.849 --> 00:40:28.769
it would be equal admitting failure on a bigger scale.
793
00:40:29.750 --> 00:40:33.269
It was very psychological for me. I never invited her
794
00:40:33.289 --> 00:40:36.070
on this vacation thinking, oh, maybe Rachel's going.
795
00:40:35.929 --> 00:40:36.889
To pick up the tab.
796
00:40:37.210 --> 00:40:40.489
If you could say anything to Rachel right now, what
797
00:40:40.809 --> 00:40:41.349
would you say?
798
00:40:41.369 --> 00:40:48.219
Gosh, I don't know. Well, I hope she makes the
799
00:40:48.260 --> 00:40:52.159
best out of the moment. I don't know. I really don't.
800
00:40:52.300 --> 00:40:54.739
I try not to think of her.
801
00:40:55.869 --> 00:40:57.050
How do you feel about her new book?
802
00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:00.559
I don't feel any kind of way because I'll never
803
00:41:00.579 --> 00:41:02.460
read it. I've heard it's pretty bad.
804
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:06.929
I haven't read it, so I can't attest to that either.
805
00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:10.469
What is your current relationship with your parents?
806
00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:14.309
I talk to them a couple times a week.
807
00:41:15.590 --> 00:41:16.760
What do you guys talk about?
808
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.780
Just like I kind of give them an update what's
809
00:41:21.820 --> 00:41:25.420
going on with me um I'd say like they're letting
810
00:41:25.460 --> 00:41:28.500
me do my thing they just basically said or like
811
00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:32.219
it's not you're not it's not because of us that
812
00:41:32.260 --> 00:41:35.059
you're there and like you chose to like live in
813
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:38.570
New York and do all these things um but they
814
00:41:38.610 --> 00:41:40.730
are supportive it's like they send me things or like
815
00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:44.980
whenever I need anything they're like whatever, like, send me money.
816
00:41:44.739 --> 00:41:47.989
Or, like, books and magazines. So I'm supportive in that way.
817
00:41:48.550 --> 00:41:51.230
Time is up. Okay, wait. You can call me right back.
818
00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:52.510
Okay.
819
00:41:52.610 --> 00:41:55.630
I'll be right here. Well, I'm about to hit her
820
00:41:55.650 --> 00:41:59.030
with a, oh, well, your dad said this about you. Okay,
821
00:41:59.139 --> 00:42:01.559
this is the only other thing. You keep saying, like,
822
00:42:01.659 --> 00:42:05.039
I was going to pay it all back. Like, unfortunately, Anna, like,
823
00:42:05.059 --> 00:42:08.079
that's not the way the world works, and you keep
824
00:42:08.139 --> 00:42:14.050
saying that. So, oh, shit. Okay, let me just record. Okay,
825
00:42:14.449 --> 00:42:17.159
so I was just asking, oh, about your parents and
826
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:21.300
your relationship. Do you have a good relationship with your brother?
827
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:28.900
Yeah, I guess. He's like way younger. He's like 18 now.
828
00:42:29.019 --> 00:42:31.360
So I never really had like much in common with
829
00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:33.730
him because of our like huge age difference.
830
00:42:34.349 --> 00:42:34.769
But yeah.
831
00:42:35.449 --> 00:42:37.429
Has everything that's been happening with you at all like
832
00:42:37.489 --> 00:42:39.289
affect his social life or anything?
833
00:42:41.190 --> 00:42:43.840
Um, a little bit, yeah. I guess he, like, kind
834
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.090
of cares a bit less. Like, he's, like, a bit
835
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:50.260
older now. But, um, I know, like, teachers know that
836
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.059
I'm his sister, definitely. They used to, like, ask him
837
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.219
if that's, if he's my brother.
838
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.179
How does that make you feel?
839
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:04.500
Um, I don't know. I don't know. Like, I'm not
840
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:08.980
sure if that's negative or positive. So it's hard to say.
841
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:09.400
I mean.
842
00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:12.920
What do you think would be positive the teachers would
843
00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:15.079
think positively? Like, what would that look like?
844
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.940
I mean, it's hard to spin, like, crimes in a
845
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:24.619
positive way. I mean, as long as it's just not.
846
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:25.980
Negative, I don't know.
847
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.280
Do you think there's any way it wouldn't be negative?
848
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.659
I haven't spoken to him recently, to be honest.
849
00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:34.059
Okay.
850
00:43:34.780 --> 00:43:35.570
So, I don't know.
851
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:41.050
Your father was quoted in a newspaper saying... Naturally, we're
852
00:43:41.070 --> 00:43:44.260
very worried about her. She has such a selfish character.
853
00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:46.440
We can't do anything about it. We gave her a
854
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:50.320
normal upbringing. Is it true that your parents gave you
855
00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:51.300
a normal upbringing?
856
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:53.909
I mean, if they think so.
857
00:43:54.769 --> 00:43:55.730
Do you think so?
858
00:43:57.010 --> 00:43:59.630
I mean, I wasn't crazy, but I would say yeah.
859
00:44:00.329 --> 00:44:03.190
Do you think you have a selfish character like your
860
00:44:03.210 --> 00:44:05.780
dad explained? No.
861
00:44:06.869 --> 00:44:08.849
I guess if he says so, I don't know.
862
00:44:09.789 --> 00:44:12.719
I try not to be selfish, but my, like, it's
863
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.179
just kind of the thing that my parents always say, like,
864
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.260
I'm so whatever I try to do is like selfish.
865
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.960
So how do you feel hearing that insult from your
866
00:44:21.019 --> 00:44:23.969
dad where he's like telling that to like a public magazine?
867
00:44:23.989 --> 00:44:28.369
Um, it doesn't feel any kind of way because he
868
00:44:28.389 --> 00:44:31.130
just would tell that to me in my face every
869
00:44:31.170 --> 00:44:31.670
other day.
870
00:44:31.789 --> 00:44:34.010
So it's not surprising.
871
00:44:34.030 --> 00:44:34.409
Yeah.
872
00:44:34.889 --> 00:44:36.630
Does it feel hurtful?
873
00:44:37.670 --> 00:44:40.730
No, my dad is like very sarcastic and I guess
874
00:44:41.369 --> 00:44:46.440
he just doesn't know how to like, um, he doesn't
875
00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:48.400
speak to media like on daily basis.
876
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.960
So, so he was being sarcastic.
877
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:55.239
Um, I hope he was. Yeah.
878
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:58.639
Did you ever ask him like not to speak to
879
00:44:58.679 --> 00:44:59.159
the media?
880
00:45:00.710 --> 00:45:04.389
No, they're actually reluctant to speak to the media. There's
881
00:45:04.409 --> 00:45:06.710
just so many people who like want to interview them
882
00:45:06.809 --> 00:45:10.380
and they refuse. If anything, like I have whatever my
883
00:45:10.449 --> 00:45:13.519
own show with Yonem, like I'll have to convince them
884
00:45:13.579 --> 00:45:14.280
to speak to them.
885
00:45:14.380 --> 00:45:17.940
So I don't see them going out of their way
886
00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:18.860
speaking to the media.
887
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:20.860
Yeah, they should come on Call Her Daddy. We can
888
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:27.420
have a whole family reunion. Can you imagine? Okay, so
889
00:45:27.539 --> 00:45:31.260
if you do get deported back to Germany, How do
890
00:45:31.300 --> 00:45:32.400
you envision your life?
891
00:45:32.420 --> 00:45:38.469
Well, hopefully that won't happen. I mean, I can go
892
00:45:38.610 --> 00:45:41.130
anywhere else in the world. It's not like I have
893
00:45:41.150 --> 00:45:43.489
to stay in Germany. I would be able to go
894
00:45:43.550 --> 00:45:45.860
anywhere I want, but back to the States.
895
00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:47.349
Are you lonely now?
896
00:45:50.300 --> 00:45:53.260
Um, I mean, definitely in a way I am.
897
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.539
Um, I like, I try to keep myself busy, but
898
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.019
it's just like not the same as like being around
899
00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:02.119
friends or just like being around people I choose to
900
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.769
be around because I'm stuck in here. So yeah, I'm
901
00:46:05.809 --> 00:46:10.010
very introverted, I think. So it's like, if anything, it's
902
00:46:10.050 --> 00:46:10.690
by choice.
903
00:46:10.710 --> 00:46:11.969
Okay.
904
00:46:12.010 --> 00:46:13.670
If like I ever felt lonely.
905
00:46:13.730 --> 00:46:14.010
Yeah.
906
00:46:14.469 --> 00:46:17.329
Who knows the real Anna best?
907
00:46:21.130 --> 00:46:24.250
I guess different people who, like, know different bits and pieces.
908
00:46:24.289 --> 00:46:27.139
There was just, like, nobody really around me who would have, like,
909
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:27.989
the whole picture.
910
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.099
It's hard to say.
911
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.400
So you have no close, like, friends that really know you?
912
00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:41.500
I do, yeah. But it's, like, my friendships.
913
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:46.639
So it's, like, I have friends who I'm, like, they
914
00:46:46.699 --> 00:46:50.039
are their... like, during my free time, but they don't
915
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.219
really know what's going on, like, with the projects I'm
916
00:46:53.260 --> 00:46:55.809
working with, you know? They just, like, don't really know
917
00:46:55.849 --> 00:46:57.889
the full picture, so I guess it would be fair
918
00:46:57.929 --> 00:47:02.230
to say nobody, like, really knows everything about me.
919
00:47:02.250 --> 00:47:07.469
I think there's a Wi-Fi issue. We're frozen. Maybe let's
920
00:47:07.510 --> 00:47:09.710
just cancel out. Hello?
921
00:47:09.730 --> 00:47:09.789
Hi.
922
00:47:10.670 --> 00:47:11.110
Hi.
923
00:47:11.130 --> 00:47:15.670
Okay, so... We were talking about your friend groups and
924
00:47:15.690 --> 00:47:19.650
you kind of mentioned like you feel like no one
925
00:47:19.730 --> 00:47:24.230
really knows the real Anna. And do you think that
926
00:47:24.269 --> 00:47:28.010
you like purposefully maybe would like compartmentalize your life a
927
00:47:28.030 --> 00:47:30.579
little bit so that no one can really know the
928
00:47:30.619 --> 00:47:31.179
real you?
929
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:35.599
I guess it just like ended up being like that,
930
00:47:35.739 --> 00:47:39.059
but it was never on purpose. I feel like a
931
00:47:39.099 --> 00:47:41.440
lot of people do that. It's just like you kind
932
00:47:41.500 --> 00:47:42.400
of have family.
933
00:47:43.139 --> 00:47:44.440
And then, I don't.
934
00:47:44.300 --> 00:47:46.920
Know, you have, like, people who just don't know about
935
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.260
all the areas of your life. So for me to
936
00:47:49.300 --> 00:47:51.969
say somebody just knows everything about me would be to
937
00:47:52.030 --> 00:47:54.250
assume it's, like, somebody who just spends the whole day
938
00:47:54.289 --> 00:47:56.670
with me or, like, also works with me and lives
939
00:47:56.710 --> 00:48:00.110
with me. I feel like very few people can say that.
940
00:48:00.949 --> 00:48:03.400
I mean, like, parents, my parents know me in, like,
941
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.960
one way, but they have not been around the past year,
942
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.530
so they cannot really say, like, what I'm doing in
943
00:48:09.570 --> 00:48:12.489
New York or like my friends, like everybody just has
944
00:48:12.530 --> 00:48:15.389
different parts of information, I guess.
945
00:48:17.420 --> 00:48:19.099
Do you consider yourself a con artist?
946
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:21.179
Absolutely not.
947
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.059
To people that are saying you are, what do you
948
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.420
think is the difference between you and a con artist?
949
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:33.300
Well, I never like intended permanently to permanently harm anybody,
950
00:48:34.659 --> 00:48:37.760
you know? I literally cannot come up like with a
951
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.599
single example where I'm like, yeah, let me fuck this
952
00:48:40.659 --> 00:48:43.519
person over and they'll never see like their money ever again.
953
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:47.119
So you think like in the grand scheme of things,
954
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:50.380
it was all with good intention what you were doing?
955
00:48:51.940 --> 00:48:54.719
Yes. I just like didn't choose the best means to
956
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:55.409
go about it.
957
00:48:56.059 --> 00:48:58.139
Who has hurt you in your life?
958
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.619
I don't.
959
00:49:03.090 --> 00:49:04.530
Know. I don't know.
960
00:49:09.929 --> 00:49:12.769
We're having wifi issues. I know.
961
00:49:12.809 --> 00:49:14.940
It's just like, this is what it starts doing.
962
00:49:15.179 --> 00:49:16.739
It's okay.
963
00:49:17.099 --> 00:49:17.579
Okay.
964
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:19.750
So to finish the question, I was asking you just like,
965
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:21.780
who has hurt you in your life I.
966
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.539
Don't know never complain never explain.
967
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:30.579
Is that a saying you live by I.
968
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:33.579
Have to yes.
969
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:39.670
Are you worried people aren't going to think you're smart
970
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:41.619
because you got caught um.
971
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.460
If somebody thinks that way i don't care because my
972
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.780
goal was never to get away or like not to
973
00:49:51.820 --> 00:49:56.789
get caught so okay um something i even like hear
974
00:49:56.829 --> 00:49:59.650
people in jail saying oh i have like you're not
975
00:49:59.690 --> 00:50:01.610
that good of a criminal because you didn't get caught
976
00:50:01.650 --> 00:50:03.679
it's like i've never tried to be that way so
977
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:04.519
it doesn't hurt.
978
00:50:04.389 --> 00:50:07.039
Me in any way so it doesn't it doesn't hurt
979
00:50:07.059 --> 00:50:07.840
your ego.
980
00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:11.989
Absolutely not, because that was never my goal. I was never, like,
981
00:50:12.449 --> 00:50:15.429
hiding from the police and then, like, was surprised I
982
00:50:15.469 --> 00:50:18.489
got arrested. So it was none of that. So I thought, like,
983
00:50:18.570 --> 00:50:20.820
I'll just go back to New York and I'll just, like,
984
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.199
resolve it with my lawyer. I just did not, like,
985
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:27.199
think they would be so violent about it. Like, I
986
00:50:27.219 --> 00:50:29.079
just didn't know, like, they were so, they were, like,
987
00:50:29.179 --> 00:50:29.760
after me.
988
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.260
Were you embarrassed at all?
989
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:32.340
Um.
990
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:37.239
Sure.
991
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:42.260
I guess. Yeah. I mean, it's not pleasant getting arrested. Definitely.
992
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So I'm assuming you haven't watched Inventing Anna.
993
00:50:44.929 --> 00:50:49.610
No. So I watched like Beats and Pizzas, but I
994
00:50:49.610 --> 00:50:51.010
didn't watch the whole thing. Okay.
995
00:50:51.309 --> 00:50:54.909
So the show is all about Anna Delvey. And in
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00:50:55.130 --> 00:51:00.170
every single episode, the title card that reads, it's every episode,
997
00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:03.960
it says this whole story is completely true. except for
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00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:06.460
all the parts that are totally made up. And so
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00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.670
everyone watching it, we don't know what is real and
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00:51:10.750 --> 00:51:13.130
what is made up. And so I wanted to get
1001
00:51:13.690 --> 00:51:18.789
clarification from the woman herself. Here is an example. In
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00:51:18.929 --> 00:51:26.670
episode eight, they show you intentionally setting yourself up to overdose.
1003
00:51:26.769 --> 00:51:30.250
But right before you do, you call room service so
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00:51:30.269 --> 00:51:33.989
they will come up before you die. And they then
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00:51:34.050 --> 00:51:37.320
show you at Cedars-Sinai in the hospital on a 24-hour
1006
00:51:37.539 --> 00:51:40.659
psych evaluation. Did this actually happen?
1007
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:40.739
No.
1008
00:51:43.460 --> 00:51:44.300
Absolutely not.
1009
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:45.119
No.
1010
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.780
What kind of drugs was I supposed to be on?
1011
00:51:48.019 --> 00:51:52.280
I'm not sure. So you never attempted suicide?
1012
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:53.619
No.
1013
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.340
So you're currently waiting to find out if you will
1014
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.559
be deported. Do you have any indication of how long
1015
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.639
you have to wait until they make the decision?
1016
00:52:04.690 --> 00:52:05.230
Well, I do.
1017
00:52:05.289 --> 00:52:07.780
I just fired my lawyers and I got somebody new.
1018
00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.260
So hopefully they will get me.
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00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:12.880
Out of jail. Why did you fire your lawyers?
1020
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:15.159
Because they weren't adequate.
1021
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.860
So they just weren't getting you an answer. So do
1022
00:52:20.900 --> 00:52:23.059
you have any timeline? Like, is it going to be
1023
00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:26.059
more like years, months? Like, do you have any idea?
1024
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.519
Oh, well, no, it's definitely not going to be years,
1025
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.900
but I'm sure it's going to be a couple more weeks.
1026
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.510
So a month or two. What do you think the
1027
00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:37.070
chances are of you staying in America?
1028
00:52:37.090 --> 00:52:41.980
I don't even want to, like, say anything. Just we'll
1029
00:52:42.019 --> 00:52:43.039
see what's going to happen.
1030
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.820
Yeah. Are you interested in dating?
1031
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:49.599
Sure, when I'm out of jail.
1032
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:56.769
On February 20th, 2021, you tweeted, willing to marry Kanye
1033
00:52:56.869 --> 00:53:01.230
West for a US green card. Would you date Kanye
1034
00:53:01.349 --> 00:53:03.889
now that your friend Julia Fox has been there and
1035
00:53:03.929 --> 00:53:04.349
done that?
1036
00:53:06.610 --> 00:53:11.659
Um, that's a tricky question. That was a joke, that tweet.
1037
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.900
I don't know. He doesn't seem to be getting the
1038
00:53:13.940 --> 00:53:15.860
best reviews. So I don't know.
1039
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:23.269
That made me crack up. I will give you that. Okay,
1040
00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:26.710
years from now, Anna, what would you like to be
1041
00:53:26.769 --> 00:53:27.489
remembered for?
1042
00:53:29.349 --> 00:53:33.070
Well, definitely not for my crimes, hopefully. Well, I'm just
1043
00:53:33.110 --> 00:53:35.760
trying to like to turn my story around and hopefully
1044
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:37.699
I'll be able to like create something good out of
1045
00:53:37.780 --> 00:53:39.059
all the attention I'm getting.
1046
00:53:39.739 --> 00:53:42.679
Okay, you can't say you don't know to this question.
1047
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:48.239
Why do you think people are so captivated by Anna Delvey?
1048
00:53:50.809 --> 00:53:53.139
Gosh, I really don't know because I'm just like being
1049
00:53:53.179 --> 00:53:56.320
myself and it was never like something that I created
1050
00:53:56.340 --> 00:53:58.320
and I'm like, oh, this is how I did it.
1051
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.739
And I knew this is, it just was really a
1052
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.940
surprise to me. That people would be, like, so interested
1053
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.539
in the way I went about the things.
1054
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.519
Because it just made so much sense to me.
1055
00:54:09.539 --> 00:54:13.730
And it's, like, comes really natural. So, this is what
1056
00:54:13.769 --> 00:54:14.969
I'm trying to figure out.
1057
00:54:15.090 --> 00:54:17.510
I don't know. I mean, what's out there is, like,
1058
00:54:17.570 --> 00:54:18.349
a caricature.
1059
00:54:18.409 --> 00:54:20.480
So, it's not, like, I'm trying not to.
1060
00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:25.610
See myself like as this person who is being like
1061
00:54:25.699 --> 00:54:28.690
portrayed out there. Like, it's not like I see it,
1062
00:54:28.980 --> 00:54:31.340
whatever is being written in the media. It's like, yeah,
1063
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:34.639
that's me because I felt like I'm more complex.
1064
00:54:34.940 --> 00:54:38.940
So, um, right. So in the interview, you kept mentioning
1065
00:54:38.980 --> 00:54:40.429
that you had a plan, you were going to pay
1066
00:54:40.469 --> 00:54:44.590
everyone back, but you also, obviously you went to these
1067
00:54:44.670 --> 00:54:49.340
banks under false pretense for whatever reason. And you, they
1068
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:51.760
thought you had this money. Like, do you now see
1069
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.519
where the intention of paying people back? Like that's just
1070
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:57.579
not how the world works.
1071
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:05.199
Um, I mean, I do, I definitely do.
1072
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:05.590
Yes.
1073
00:55:05.730 --> 00:55:10.630
I do see how, like what I did wrong, but
1074
00:55:11.150 --> 00:55:15.389
it's also so many people are just do worse things.
1075
00:55:16.349 --> 00:55:19.539
One of my last questions, um, Have you ever heard
1076
00:55:20.139 --> 00:55:25.550
the phrase, whataboutism? Do you want me to give you
1077
00:55:25.590 --> 00:55:28.909
the definition? Okay. It is the technique or practice of
1078
00:55:28.989 --> 00:55:33.030
responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a
1079
00:55:33.130 --> 00:55:38.059
counter accusation or raising a different issue. Would you say
1080
00:55:38.099 --> 00:55:45.429
whataboutism is your best friend? is that an accusation and
1081
00:55:45.570 --> 00:55:48.949
I've never interviewed someone that said I don't know more
1082
00:55:48.989 --> 00:55:51.829
than you and and then flipped it back on me
1083
00:55:51.949 --> 00:55:53.090
have you had media.
1084
00:55:52.789 --> 00:55:57.369
Training no no it's all me.
1085
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.780
Oh my god okay well I truly oh wait let
1086
00:56:01.820 --> 00:56:03.599
me make sure this is recording oh my god I
1087
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.900
can't thank you enough for coming on call her daddy
1088
00:56:07.099 --> 00:56:11.329
I know are you there I swear to fucking God,
1089
00:56:11.369 --> 00:56:16.760
if that last one didn't fucking record, please fucking call back. Dude,
1090
00:56:16.780 --> 00:56:23.619
that's so fucking annoying. Dude, watch that just be the end. Okay, guys. Well,
1091
00:56:23.900 --> 00:56:26.760
I'm currently waiting for her to call back. I'm unsure
1092
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.050
if Anna's going to call back because I think that
1093
00:56:29.170 --> 00:56:33.590
last question may have pushed her over the edge. But
1094
00:56:34.510 --> 00:56:46.730
she's calling. Hi, Anna. Hello. This is a prepaid debit
1095
00:56:46.789 --> 00:56:52.530
call from Anna, an inmate at.
1096
00:56:52.489 --> 00:56:53.769
The Orange County Jail.
1097
00:56:54.510 --> 00:56:58.239
To accept this call, press 0. To refuse this.
1098
00:56:58.139 --> 00:57:02.800
Call, hang up or press 1.
1099
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:04.440
This call is.
1100
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:08.099
From a corrections facility and is subject to monitoring and recording.
1101
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:10.840
Thank you for using Global Telelink.
1102
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:20.699
Hi, Anna.
1103
00:57:20.900 --> 00:57:23.840
No, don't worry. I just wanted to say thank you
1104
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:32.119
so much, and I really appreciate you coming on. So
1105
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:35.119
nice meeting you virtually. Wish I could have been in person,
1106
00:57:35.260 --> 00:57:36.960
but maybe we'll meet in person one day.
1107
00:57:38.750 --> 00:57:39.969
Well, you can get arrested.
1108
00:57:39.989 --> 00:57:40.710
You can come here.
1109
00:57:41.809 --> 00:57:42.949
Oh, my God.
1110
00:57:43.550 --> 00:57:44.500
Okay, Anna.
1111
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:45.679
Talk soon.
1112
00:57:45.699 --> 00:57:48.000
Okay. All right.
1113
00:57:48.019 --> 00:57:50.079
Bye-bye.
1114
00:57:50.119 --> 00:58:02.590
Bye. Daddy gang, that is it for this week's fucking episode.
1115
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I don't know if I feel smarter or swindled. I
1116
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don't know. But what I can say is I will
1117
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see you fuckers next Wednesday. Goodbye. Holy shit.
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