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What does it take to become the Anthony Fauci of the University of Michigan?
When COVID-19 hit, Dr. Rob Ernst was tapped to lead the school’s response. As the Chief Health Officer for the university, he prioritized maintaining core critical operations in order to provide healthcare for the whole region. For Dr. Ernst, commitment to caring for his community is key.
Dr. Ernst chats with Breaking Schemas co-host John Branch about how mentorship and the courage to take non-traditional paths have shaped his career, his approach to navigating the school’s pandemic response, and how he views commitment as a disruptor.
*Breaking Schemas is a production of the Yaffe Digital Media Initiative at Michigan Ross and is produced by University FM.*
Show Links: Episode Quotes:A mentor’s wisdom: Take the chance, even when you feel unready
07:36 My belief is that if you've got a really great opportunity and you don't feel like you're ready for it, take it. So, I don't know if he was talking about that more generally or about he was just trying to say that I was actually more ready than I thought I was, but I actually have behaved that way in a number of other capacities throughout and tried to not be afraid to try to blaze a new pathway even if it seems like a non-traditional pathway.
Making tough calls during the COVID pandemic
16:07: As a trained general internist, I think, compared to many, I have a much higher comfort level with uncertainty, and even making hard decisions with incomplete information is what we do in medicine, right? I mean, you gather information, you do some deeper digging with some tests or studies, or something. And then, you don't know exactly what you're up against most of the time or often. And you still make some decisions about, let's try this, whether it's some kind of procedure or medicine or some non-pharmacologic treatment, and then get back together and see how it's going. Maybe there's some new information and you shift and things like that. And we don't blame ourselves for not having been able to see the future with incomplete information. And we just trust our experience and our judgment, weighing its risks and benefits. And that's just how we behave. And I have a really high comfort level, and practicing that way and that was the course through COVID.
How Bob Quinn’s writings shaped Dr. Rob Ernst’s leadership style
27:29: The temptation for us as humans is to tinker with problems and add here, reclassify that position, move that person's blah, blah, blah, as opposed to just saying, "If we were trying to solve this problem from scratch, how would we do it?" And then, just oftentimes, it's a completely different approach.
