Lanterns Ep 1

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Today, I'm Always watching. We're talking about Lanterns Episode one. Yeah,
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new show, Hal Jordan, John Stewart, Let's do this thing?
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All that r after this. Welcome to Always Watching. It's
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Grenna Pin the podcast. We're talking about whatever viky TV
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shows we feel like talking about.
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My name is Matthew Carroll and I'm Jay Scotty Saint Clair.
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What's up, Jay Scott, Jay Scotty, Saint Clair. I was
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gonna see Jays Scoots and then it came out Scott
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to nice Fay I Field, Hey, Jay Scotty Scottsy. I
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like Jay Scotty. That's a new evolution.
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I'll take it.
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Oh man, what'd you think of Lantern's Bud.
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I gotta say I was all along the way whenever
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we first heard about this series. I was excited for it,
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but I was always kind of holding it at arms length.
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And I don't know if that's my reception to the
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DCU at large or what have you, but I gotta
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say I came away from this premiere just so so impressed,
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so encouraged. Right off the bat. This series has automatically
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sunk its teeth into me, and I'm just so excited
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to be watching the show and covering the show with you,
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because I know when we do these podcasts like this,
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it really affords the opportunity to deep dive and theorize.
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And with Damon Lindall off out the helmet shouldn't be
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a surprise. But again, I was just I knew I
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was going to like this show, but to the degree
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that I was impressed with the premiere here, I'm a
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little pleasantly surprised here. That's awesome.
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You think I liked it a lot. All the actors
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are so good, and I'm intrigued by the plot line.
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I think if I had to do like a quick
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one sentence review, I liked it really intriguing, good, but
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a little slow for me.
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The first episode a little slow. I can understand that.
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I can understand that for sure.
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I don't alted because I know the vibe they're going for,
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and they're going for a very adult vibe that like
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fits in in the True Detective vein They've they've talked
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about true to how it's like True Detective, and I
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almost felt like they were going for that too much, whereas,
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like the concept here is so fanciful that I kind
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of wanted them to lean a little bit more into like, uh,
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you know, the the it could have been a little
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more fun. I think there are moments it could have
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been more fun. And uh, Okay, I'm not I'm not
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saying that that's doesn't anything doesn't have to be fun,
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but like I was kind of like, Okay, there's the
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the scene where he gets beat up is so good
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and it was so set up well, and then they
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decided to have a separate character moment where he's getting
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uh kind of talked to by the by the by
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missus Macon, and like I was watching, I was like,
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this should be the moment where he's getting beat up. Two,
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I got a pair of roller skates while John Stewart
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drinks and enjoys it, you know it enjoys him getting
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to Like it was a perfectly set up joke and
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like moment, and instead they like decided to have like
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a kind of serious romance conversation up front, and I
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was just kind of like, right, you're doing too much
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to avoid fun almost like that was a it was
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a joke set up to be a joke, Like lean
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into it, and I understand it's just like a different style,
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but like, yeah, I would it's the DCU. It's such
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a departure from James Gunn, which is like, sure, even
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in a serious moment, he's trying to be funny, and
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then this is so serious even when a moment lends
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itself to a good, poppy kind of joke, that I
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just I felt a little underserved by the slowness of it.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I feel that, And I don't disagree
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with you. I think there were more opportunities for Levity
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and I actually kind of really like your rewright there.
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But I did given that this is the premiere, it
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didn't surprise me all that much. It's it's not rubbing
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me the wrong way. At this point. It was few
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and far between in terms of, like, you know, moments
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for levity and comedy. But it did make the moments
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that they did have really land for me, Like right
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off the bat, just like that that sequence where hal
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Founds finds out that John slept with Will Macon's wife Zoe.
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That was hilarious. Just never you think about that reveal
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was and I think it was because everything had been
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so kind of rot and serious up until that point
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that it made that moment really land for me. I
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was laughing out loud and that's that's rare for me
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and TV.
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Yeah, I completely agree. That was a really funny moment.
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And like I, like I said, it doesn't have to
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be funny. It's not a funny show. Like, they're not
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going for that, They're going for True Detective. And I
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really I feel bad I'm complaining because I'm really not
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trying to do. I really love there's there's things I
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really liked. I want to get into that, but like
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I just think I think they're going for True Detective
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vibe almost too deliberately. And True Detective is such a
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singular thing. This first season of that show is so singular,
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and it's so much about those two actors and the
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way that they as human beings are interacting. And like
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Matthew McConaughey and oh gosh, thank you, I am so
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so terrible Woody Harrelson's name.
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I can never come up with it. I don't know
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why talented actor.
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Oh have you heard the not really conspiracy theory, but
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the theory that they're brothers. No, apparently their mom their
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moms dated the same musician around the same time when
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they were both born, and both their moms aren't sure
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who the father is and they and then later in life,
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as they got to know each other, they realized how
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similar they were and they got to talk it and
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realized they had this connection and their their moms dated
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the same guy, and they think they.
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Might be brothers, but they don't know.
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And like, dude, if you watch them in interviews like
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talk back and forth, they act and sound like brothers.
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And it's crazy that I found that fascinating. But I
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don't think and I hate to say this, this is
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the meanest thing I'm gonna say about the show.
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Get it out now. I don't think that.
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Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre can hold a candle to
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that true detective vibe. Unfortunately, I think they're both great.
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They're both really great gets for the DC Universe and
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for a DC Universe television show. I love them for this,
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but they're like almost trying too hard to mimic this
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style that was so singular and like I knew that
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they were saying it was true detective like, but I
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felt moments that I was like this long slow car ride.
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It would be compelling if the actor was doing more.
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But Aaron Pierre, he's playing it very flat because he's
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trying to be a he's drawing, he's doing a lot
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of the things that Matthew McConaughey was doing, but he's
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not being as kooky or as strange. He doesn't have
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all the he doesn't have the magnetism that Matthew McConaughey
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brought to that performance, and like Aaron Pierre instead is
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just playing it very flat. And I think it's gonna
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get more interesting, I really do. But like it's on,
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I really do feel like they're going for a vibe
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that the show is not suited to necessarily and that
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the show hasn't isn't pulling off like it wants to.
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And I'm trying to forget that it's doing that because
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I can't unsee it.
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But to be fair, that wasn't all that mean when
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you said this is the meanest thing you're gonna say
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about the show, though I was expected.
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Saying Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre aren't able to pull
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off what those two did, And I just think that's
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kind of mean. I don't normally like to say thing's
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bad things about actors because you never know what's their fault,
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and what's not. Actors have very little control, so I
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very rarely will say an unkind word about an actor.
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But like I think Colin Chandler and airpr are, but
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they're not Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey. They're just not
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totally fair, totally fair.
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And while I do feel like this series, just with
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the premiere episode alone, is really delivering on that promise
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of like, you know, the bill of goods that was
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sold in terms of like this being true detective, but
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as much as that influence is there, I found myself
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again to use the terminology, pleasantly surprised. I went into
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this expecting true Detective, and I was surprised how much
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I came away with Fargo season five. And I love
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the show Fargo, but like just how much it had
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in common with Fargo season five in terms of being
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set in Nebraska, which is often a location that's featured
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in Fargo, if not the movie the TV series itself,
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but the fact that you have like this military compound
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with the militia, where this questionable figurehead that's like, you know,
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is he operating within the law or outside the laws?
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He and isolationists and nationalists of some kind. So I
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was able to compartmentalize the comparisons to True Detective a
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little bit with my my kind of glee how much
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there was to kind of glom onto, like, Oh, this
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feels like Fargo. That's funny.
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But I had the same thought, and I kept thinking,
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I wish that was the tone, Like this is so
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similar to Fargo, right that I wish the tone had a.
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Little bit more that Fargo humor, which is like.
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Absurdist, and it's such an absurdist situation that like, I
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feel like it could have easily built used that absurdity
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of everything.
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Going on to be to be funnier.
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And I hate I hate being like, this isn't the
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kind of show I want, because that's not a good criticism.
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It's it's kind of it just right now.
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I'm not I don't think they're nailing what they're going for,
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So I keep like looking for this other thing, and
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I think I kept thinking about Fargo for the same
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reasons you did. It really does have a lot of
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elements of fift season five of Fargo, and I was like,
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why why isn't there someone using kind of funny language
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like Fargo or like saying things in a kitchy way
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that like lands in the ear funny. Even on non
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funny scenes, Fargo has this way of like always.
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Being fun to watch. You know.
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Sure, there's just certain scenes in this that aren't fun
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to watch. They're just like long driving scenes where Aaron
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Pierre is staring out the front of the car.
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And I was just like, right, the bubble wrap thing
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was funny.
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Sorry, I gotta stop talking about the one thing I
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don't like because I do like other things in the show.
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No, you're good. I'm kind of glad you keep kind
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of harping on that because it brings back to mind
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the point that I was going to make, because ultimately
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I do agree with you. I don't think I'm being
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quite as harsh on the series right out of the gate.
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I'm kind of, you know, reserving judgment, and I do
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think it was a great premiere. But I do agree
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with you in terms of like the chemistry between Aaron
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Pierre and Kyle Chandler. I think that's something that is
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going to be earned as the series goes along. But
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as far as the performances go. And I'm not saying
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that you said this, but I was really really delighted
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with Kyle Chandler, in particular his performance, just the how
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much he leaned into the like grizzled and kind of unlikable,
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kind of selfish machiesmo that he's doing there. But Aaron Pierre,
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I kind of agree with you, and it's not a
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fault of the actor, it's just kind of the material
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that's being given to him. But at this point in time,
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I think he really is supposed to be, like we
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kind of ex sult in the opening sequence, which I
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think is very telling of like what is the story
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that this series is trying to tell? And I think
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this is going to be a John story much more
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than it's going to be a How story ultimately, because
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we start with John watching How on the TV, and
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where does that transition to a moment with his father?
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And I was just so conflicted with that moment with
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his father because it's so disturbing and traumatizing the fact
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that his father, you know, it's the classic story of
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William Tell But again, like he asked that question, do
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you have fear? Which is definitely going to be a
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through line for this series as well, But the fact
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that his father shoots the apple off his head and
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he the first thing he has is a smile, and
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it's a warm embrace. And then we flash forward to
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twenty sixteen where Hal has effectively done the same thing,
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put him in a moment where it's like, hey, do
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or die? What are you going to do here? And
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he comes out on the other side and the first
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person he calls is his dad. So I was expecting,
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you know, you know, Hal has this relationship with his
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father where he lost his father early and pines for
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his father. I thought John was going to be the opposite,
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where he has a lot of resentment towards father, but no,
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he still holds his father with this respect. In this regard,
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I think that's going to be translated onto how and
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this is going to be a story of like, you know,
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hero worship is unhealthy. To quote SpongeBob for my millennial
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you know, younger millennial, mid millennial listeners out there that
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are with me, there's an episode of SpongeBob where he
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basically idolizes a jelly fishing champion that's a c cucumber.
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But that's the story. You know, hero worship is unhealthy. SpongeBob,
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don't worship your heroes, Don't Meet your heroes, And honestly,
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this is you know this episode one was not given
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a subtitle, but I kind of paused or checked halfway
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through the episode to see does this have a subtitle,
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and I was kind of expecting it to be Don't
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Meet your Heroes or something like, hmmm.
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Well, I definitely think you're right, and I'm glad we
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I'm glad we touched on the three main influences of
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this show, uh, far Ago, True Detective, and SpongeBob.
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Yeah, of course, like the three that this show's really
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pulling from.
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That's that's Linda for you.
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I feel like the bubble wrap thing is not too
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far off, like it's very that is a very SpongeBob joke.
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Absolutely absolutely, oh man, I I really, I totally agree
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with you. And I think part of the story they're
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telling for I think is John Stewart isn't being honest.
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Oh okay, I think he. I think he is fearful.
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I think he was fearful as a kid. Your dad's
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aiming a gun at you, You're fearful. I think he's
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been repressing his fear. He's been taught to repress who
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he is and repress his fear and like they keep
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asking him, are you annoying? Am I bothering you? He's Nope,
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I'm not mad. I respect him. He's not being truthful.
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He does not respect How. How is like, you know,
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a drunk and someone who doesn't seem to be like
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caring about his position, and like as the as the
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sheriff speaks of, like he's not fearless.
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He's lonely.
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He just doesn't care about anything. He doesn't have anything
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to care about, so he doesn't have anything to fear.
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Sure, but that's not because he's fearless, because he's lonely.
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And I think that's really incisive. And I think that
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John Stewart has all these reasons to dislike How at
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this point, and all these reasons to be upset at him,
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and How keeps treating him poorly as his trainee and
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not doing enough for him to train him, and How
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just keeps John just keeps kind of eating it and
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just being like, Nope, I'm good. I respect the guy
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who I'm supposed to respect. I'm doing the thing and
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saying the thing I'm supposed to. And I wonder if
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we're gonna get the last episode. Here's my prediction of
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where all this is going. We're gonna get to the
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last moment of are you afraid? And he's not gonna
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say no. Either that or to have some transformation where
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he learns what fear is, what it means, and actually
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how to overcome it and not just ignore it, because
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I think right now he's just ignoring everything he feels
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and believe like everything he feels that is his reaction.
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He's bottling it up to please his father and to
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please this guy and to please the Lantern Core. He's
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like just trying to be the guy he's supposed to be.
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And I think as those walls break down a little bit,
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this episode would have been way more fun for sure,
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and probably more watchable if like John Stewart was actually
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pushing back. It's a tried and true, like comedy premise,
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not even comedy, just like action action adventure premise. To
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have two guys who don't get a lot, you know
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what I mean, Like they're butting heads and so having
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John Stewart and I think this is gonna be his
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journey to learn to feel his feelings and express them.
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I think that's gonna be a big part of it,
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but having him truncated like that makes the character seem
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uninteresting and makes the relationship seem not real. In my opinion,
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I think we're gonna get there. I think it's the journey.
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So I'm not like, like you said, I'm reserving judgment
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on that. I think that's on purpose. I don't think
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it's a bad thing.
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It's just true.
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It is part of what I'm sensing when I'm sensing
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that lack of character to the show and that lack
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of connection between the two mains, is that that's his
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that is his character. He's he's reserved. He's not fearful,
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he's not annoyed, he's.
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Not mad, you're late. He's just a cool guy who
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does what he's supposed to do right right, And you've
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got me wondering, Like, as the series goes along, I'm
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kind of suspecting that we're going to see how take
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more and more of a back seat as John takes
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over and becomes the character as it is his story,
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and maybe he'll get Aaron Pierre as the character, will
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get more opportunities to flesh that out and show a
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little more nuance and not be so stoic as I
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agree with you that he is right now, but and
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I may be stretching here, so bear with me. I
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know this is episode one, but one thing that kind
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of like dawned on me as I was watching this episode,
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and I love Green Lantern. He's one of my favorite characters. Now.
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I won't pretend to be have like an encyclopedic knowledge
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of the characters, you know, comic book history, but I
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feel like I'm pretty well versed. And one of the
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things that I've always kind of been curious about in
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terms of like the trajectory of the Green Lantern lore
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and the character is I think when he started out,
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like the convention, like the appeal of the character was
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like the superpower is imagination, like basically whatever you can
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imagine you can materialize with this ring. As it kind
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of went on and you establish the different you know,
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factions of the core, the Red Lanterns, the Yellow Lanterns,
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what have you, fear became such a much more strong element.
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It's not about you know this this this imagination. It's
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more about like do you have the willpower versus the fear?
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And I have to note when you know we have
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the very subtle title card a peer of lanterns. I
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did notice that the first color we see is yellow,
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a yellow light that kind of turns into a green.
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So I think you're right. I think as we've been
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kind of taught and you look at other franchises like
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Dune where it's like, you know, fear is the mind killer,
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you can't have fear. I think this is really saying that, like,
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no fear is okay, like fear is is like And
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I know Sinestra is going to be a part of
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this series and he's a he's famously a green lantern
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turned yellow lantern that embraced the fear. I think you're
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onto something there. I think it is going to be
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like how do we acknowledge the fear? Because something else
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that stuck out to me again to hop back to
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when John called his dad. It really resonated with me
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because it kind of stuck out, and I'll be completely
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honest at first blush, it kind of rubbed me the
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wrong way because I was like, eh, now, you know.
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But his father says to him in response to how
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trying to kill him, he says, they're allowed to have tantrums.
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You're not. We're not. And I was like oh, he's
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talking about white men versus black men like black men.
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And keep in mind this is twenty sixteen when the
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show is set, but there is you know, Yeah, I'm
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going to try and speak with some eloquence and some
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wherewithal here. So forgive me if I say anything that
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my intentions are pure here. But there is the stereotype
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of like the angry black man. Right anytime a black
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man in voice voices injustice or something like that, it's like, oh,
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it's just the angry black man. So I think that's
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speaking to that, like they're allowed to have tantrums, you're not.
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But in my own life, you know, having been through
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some therapy and you know, exploring emotional intelligence and what
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that looks like. Anger is a secondary emotion and it's
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often attached to a core emotion like hurt or fear.
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So the fact that we're seeing this, you know John,
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who is so stoic, not willing to show any emotion
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in any way, shape or form, and I have to imagine,
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like with that line from his father, like they're allowed
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to have tantrums, we're not. Like I do think he's
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very angry on some level. And that's that's got to
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be attached to fear. So when he can, you know,
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acknowledge that fear, acknowledge that anger, I think he's going
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to become a fully fleshed out character that's ready to
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you know, join the DCU forthright and appear in Mana
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tomorrow here, And he's going to be a character that
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we're all really looking forward to see.
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I think the racial element of that is undeniably there.
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I also think his dad was a military man, and
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I think there's like the people above you can have
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tantrums towards you, but that rolls downhill.
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You can't have a tantrum back and absolutely, and this.
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Is your guy, who's who's your your commanding officer, the
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guy you're trying to join up with the forces. And
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like I when his dad did the gun thing at
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the beginning, was it specifically for the lanterns? Like was
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he doing the like are you afraid because of that
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story of the lanterns? Or was that so it was
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unclear unclear like four, Yeah, it felt like he and
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his father had some mutual understanding about like, hey, they're
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both fascinated with the lanterns. Because the first thing he
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asked when he walks through the door, like, are you
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gonna tell me what his name is? He knew that
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they were they were watching the TV, but yeah, unclear
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about like are you afraid where that was coming from?
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You know, that was something that how Jordan was asked
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or not that I don't know, And I mean, you're right,
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he's a military man.
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How Jordan was a military man? That might be something
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that he has privileged knowledge.
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Of, right, yeah, maybe what at the beginning remind me?
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At the beginning of Superman, they say three decades ago?
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Did it start with decades? When were the first a
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three hundred?
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Oh? Okay, three hundred years and thirty years ago Superman appeared? Oh? Yes, three?
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It was three centuries landed?
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Was it three centuries when first meta humans were seen
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on Earth?
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Three? Yeah? His three decades? Okay.
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I was trying to remember because they talk about how
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like this the first interview with a meta human or
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a superhero basically, and it's in ninety six, which would
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be about thirty years prior to.
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That.
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And when they said, uh, haile in Nebraska, I was like, wait,
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is that could this be have to do with the
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Kryptonian coming? But that was sixteen interesting but was he
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said it was twenty sixteen when he was backed up
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for I don't know, it's a whole thing, Like there's
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a lot of jumping around, which I'm loving, and I
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need to watch it again just to like, because twenty
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sixteen is where we spend most of our time in
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the episode. Ninety six is when he is first interview.
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He said he backed up that halogram, which is great. Yeah,
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how did not give him enough credit for that? He
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said it was ten years ago, so that would be
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roughly two thousand and six. So I think we're gonna
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be playing with a timeline that, like the years are
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always gonna end in six, whether it's nineteen ninety six,
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two thousand and six, two thousand and six, two twenty
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twenty six. And I think we see, like the fact
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that that haligram showed up there and he was last
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backed up ten years ago, I think that's gonna be
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like something happened that he wanted to hold onto that
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backup version of himself or something like that, Like he
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didn't want like something happened. He seemed totally different, And
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I'm wondering if something happened to him that turned him
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a little darker, like made him question himself, made him
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not want to be backed up, made him not want
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to make a reflection of himself. Maybe he screwed up
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on a mission, maybe he hurt someone, like I don't know,
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something happened in two thousand and six. I think that
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then like changed how Jordan's character. There's just so much
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going on with like the different time periods, and I'm
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loving that. And I don't think this is gonna be
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the first time we visit every one of these time periods.
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I think we will see from him as a kid.
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I think we're gonna see more from the two thousand
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and six. I think we're gonna see more from twenty
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sixteen obviously, and then more from twenty twenty six as well.
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Yeah, and even just the decision to like end the
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episode letting us know that Hal is dead the frozen
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cadaver there like that again, like not necessarily fargo through
480
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:20.319
and through, but that just feels like Cohen Brothers, like
481
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:25.519
we're going to give you not the answer to the mystery,
482
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.119
but the such a such a heavy reveal regarding the
483
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:30.799
mystery right out of the gate, that we're going to
484
00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.839
have to you know, backpedal and plait and go back
485
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.720
and forth between these various time periods to to you know,
486
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.079
fully realize how we got there. And if I'm not mistaken,
487
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.160
John checks to see if Hal has the ring on
488
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.880
his finger that you know, the frozen cadaver there. He
489
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:51.640
doesn't have the ring, and nother neither does John. John
490
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.720
still doesn't have the ring at that point ten years
491
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:55.440
later in twenty twenty six.
492
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.759
Yep, So I wonder if he's even still training, is
493
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:01.240
he just like, yeah, they have they seen each other
494
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:04.720
since twenty twenty sixteen, Like we might see the demise
495
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.400
of their friendship or their partnership or their you know,
496
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.400
training at that point. Like, I think they're gonna show,
497
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.279
We're gonna see all these things happen, and I think
498
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.599
it's gonna be very interesting and spread out among these
499
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.839
time periods. And I love that element of the story
500
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.240
a lot, And you know, I like who these characters are.
501
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.000
I'm hoping that the chemistry builds a little bit as
502
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.279
John loosens up a little bit and maybe like hits
503
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.400
a breaking point because I think Aaron Pierre has a
504
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.119
lot in him. He just sure what he's being given
505
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:39.000
right now is to you know, be calm, don't have emotions.
506
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.279
And I think I feel that a lot as as
507
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:44.759
someone who grew up I grew after I've told this
508
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:49.720
before podcasting, but one of my biggest religious trauma issues
509
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.960
growing group of my raising was I grew up in
510
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:58.039
a faith that said, you know, deny yourself, deny yourself,
511
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.839
deny yourself, deny yourself, deny yourself. And that meant anything
512
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:07.039
you want is not like any you want, any of
513
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.200
your emotions that really has should.
514
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:09.319
Have no.
515
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:15.519
Bearing on what you should do. Your emotions, your own
516
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.640
desires are just distractions from what God wants, right, Like,
517
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.960
I grew up with that, and so like the story
518
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.480
of someone going through something where they're told like, do
519
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.519
not feel do you do what you're supposed to do,
520
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.799
check all the boxes, do the things you're supposed to do,
521
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.759
and don't follow your emotions is something I've had I'm
522
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.680
having to go through as a as a freaking thirty
523
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:38.079
forty year old man, I've had to really like unlearn
524
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:40.440
a lot of that totally. And so like I'm feeling
525
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.160
the idea of the storyline, and I love Damon Lindelof
526
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.599
so much that like I'm here for it.
527
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:48.200
I'm very much here for it.
528
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:50.519
I guess that's part of what disappoints me a little
529
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:54.519
bit about the tone, too, is that, like, I understand
530
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.640
they're going for this very specific thing it feels like,
531
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.680
but Damon Lindelof's shows have a lot of fun in them,
532
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.240
and so like, I just was expecting a little more fun.
533
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.640
Even though I knew they were going for this vibe
534
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:07.759
like I was, I was expecting it to have a
535
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.920
little more that flavor. Watchman is one of my favorite
536
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.720
shows I've ever seen, and like, that show is totally
537
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.240
and he hits on all cylinders, tons of drama, tons
538
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.559
of seriousness, but I am constantly entertained by the little
539
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:24.000
weirdnesses of the show, you know, yeah, and just didn't
540
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:25.039
have that yet.
541
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:28.559
I might be being overly optimistic, but I suspect those
542
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.759
things are coming because it's been a while since I've
543
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.559
watched Watchmen. But as I recall some of the flourishes,
544
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:36.559
like the I can't remember the name of the character
545
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.559
where there was the guy that basically he dressed in
546
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.759
a leotard and sprayed down the grease that he so
547
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:43.640
that slide away, and he was just kind of like
548
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:47.359
this background character that was seated throughout the series. I
549
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.359
think things like that are coming and even with like
550
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.559
I remember we talked about it on Multiverse News, the
551
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.279
casting of Jason Ritter, and I was like, oh, this
552
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.359
seems so obvious. He's obviously going to be the son
553
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.480
of the corrupted, like sheriff or something like that, that
554
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:01.839
has hold on the town. And that is true to
555
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.440
some degree. He's the son of Will Macon, who clearly
556
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.759
has some influence over the town, and his wife is
557
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.559
very much you know, warning like, you know, don't get
558
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.519
debt to this guy until you know what he's about.
559
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.920
But I was I was, again to say, pleasantly surprised.
560
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.200
It was you know, Jason Ritter is this lawyer who
561
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.960
seems none the wiser really, but maybe that's just a
562
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.960
guy's but that again, that's what intrigues me just knowing
563
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.519
about it. Lindelof at the Helm like me too. There
564
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:31.000
are already so many questions about allegiances, like how even
565
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:35.200
goes in immediately suspicious, you know, like, oh, what do
566
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:36.880
you want from me? How am I going to be
567
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:38.640
in debt to you? If I if I help you,
568
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.200
if I join your anti federal militia here and like, no,
569
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:46.440
we're against the aliens. And even with that interrogation of Whalen,
570
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.440
who reveals himself to be an alien, and he says,
571
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.799
ultimately the goal is vengeance, but there was there was
572
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.359
a sense of I know, I know he's an alien,
573
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.799
but forgive the term here, just like humanity, like there
574
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.839
was like some pain. There was for sure pathos there,
575
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.960
like something had been lost. And again to knowing that
576
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.960
it's Lindelof and his sensibilities and considering the modern time
577
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.720
where that we're in and how police departments are really
578
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.799
being kind of looked at and is their corruption there?
579
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.880
Should they be defunded, you know, even though they protect
580
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.920
the public or that's the general sentiment, what are they
581
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.720
actually doing? I think the lanterns are being questioned in
582
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.480
a real way. And I think that that alien Whalen
583
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:33.720
was was kind of positing that kind of right up front,
584
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:34.200
and I.
585
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.599
Too, And I mean, even making will you will you
586
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.960
Macon while he's cooking, he says, you know, he's suspicious
587
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.319
of all non Earth entities, you know, like these aliens.
588
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.400
But even when he talks about the Ring, because he
589
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.480
knows this is part of the Lantern core. He says,
590
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.680
now you got that weapon of mass destruction on your finger.
591
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.960
It's like he doesn't view the Ring as a positive thing.
592
00:29:58.119 --> 00:29:59.559
You know, he's not sure even though this is a
593
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.720
super he's viewing the ring as a weapon of mass
594
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.240
destruction that just walked into his kitchen and he would
595
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:05.839
rather have it on his side than not. But I
596
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.039
think he thinks of it even as a you know,
597
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.799
a extra terrestrial threat.
598
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.599
Which is a lifelong fan of both Green Lantern and
599
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:16.680
Lord of the Rings. How it's never dawned on me
600
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.480
before how the Ring could be viewed in that way.
601
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.160
It just felt so much like Fellowship of the Ring,
602
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.000
like we could use the ring, or like no, the
603
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.839
Ring should be destroyed. Yeah, that's a good point.
604
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.000
It's a good point, by the way, that that that
605
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.880
actor Garrett Dilla Hunt that plays William William Macon. I
606
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:35.920
love that guy. He's been on a number of things
607
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:37.759
that I really liked to I don't recognize him. He
608
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:42.359
was a regular, like a regular kind of villain type
609
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.240
person on a Burn Notice, which is a show I
610
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:45.839
really liked.
611
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:48.240
I do like Burn Notice. I haven't watched it from
612
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:50.680
beginning to end, but I've I've I enjoy it when
613
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:51.519
it when I catch it.
614
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.279
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure, you know, unless I'm wrong,
615
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.119
I'm looking at design to be I might be totally
616
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.640
wrong on who that is, but I think, yeah, Fear
617
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.319
of the walk Dead. He's a regular, a regular on
618
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.720
Through the Walking Dead, and he was one of my
619
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.160
favorite characters on that. Okay, and Byrne noticed I remember
620
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.519
his face. I'm scanning and I don't see it in
621
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.200
his IMDb, but it might just be like too far
622
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:14.799
down because that show.
623
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:15.319
Wasn't too popular.
624
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.599
I'm looking at his his what his top casting things are,
625
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.119
but uh, he's been in a lot of stuff.
626
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.160
No Country for Old Men apparently. Oh interesting. Okay, I
627
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.519
have to look him up and look up his filmography.
628
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.440
But I I'm glad you mentioned him because at the
629
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.160
first time he was introduced, and I know, it was
630
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.160
kind of at a distance, and when they were close up,
631
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.000
I was like, Okay, I bought his age a little
632
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.720
bit more. But like the fact that he's supposed to
633
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.960
be Jason Rider's father, I was like, whoa, he was
634
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.319
like surprisingly young. But then when you get to reveal
635
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.000
that Zoe is his wife who hooked up with Aaron
636
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.559
John Stewart. I immediately was like, is something going on
637
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.119
to like make these people age at a you know,
638
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.440
decelerated or you know, less accelerated rate or something like that.
639
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.160
I think it's called celebrity I think, uh, that's so
640
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.920
you're thinking there. Yeah, I saw an article crossed my
641
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.319
Feet earlier that said like, celebrities are refusing.
642
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:14.319
To age and it's ruining media. But I mean even
643
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:18.200
in the context of the story, like again, Zoe who
644
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:21.000
who Aaron Pierre hooked up with? When? And I'm not
645
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.960
trying to be you know, you know, check me if
646
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.359
if my if if I'm out of lye here. But
647
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.240
I was like, she's clearly, you know, not the most
648
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.680
conventionally or traditionally attractive woman. She's got you know, some
649
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.559
some wear and tear to her. But I did not
650
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.960
expect you to be a grandma. I did not expect
651
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:38.319
you to be a.
652
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.920
Grand I knew, I know you mean, but she's got
653
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.960
some wear in tear to her.
654
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:52.880
It's pretty rough. Was that Laura Lenny? Uh No, I don't.
655
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.799
I don't think we've seen Laura Lenny yet. Unless she's
656
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.319
the sheriff, I'd be really surprised. If she was the sheriff.
657
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.839
I think the sheriff is McDonald. Okay, I kept thinking
658
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.480
it was Carrie Kune, but that's just probably the true
659
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:07.799
detective bias there.
660
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.880
Oh yeah, and I'm looking at the Laura Lennie doesn't
661
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.720
have a I'm so bad with faces. I'm looking at
662
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.759
all these people. No, yeah, it's not Laura Lenny. No,
663
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.359
it can't be because I know her from Ozark and
664
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:24.000
and yeah yeah, and that's just not her face. But uh,
665
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.519
she must have been nut. She just must not be
666
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:33.119
on the main page here. But Kelly McDonald, who plays Carrie,
667
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:34.559
and I think that's the sheriff.
668
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:39.720
Okay, yeah, that's that's what my researches is turning up
669
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.240
as well. I feel like i'd recognize Laurel Lenny if
670
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.759
I ye definitely always had a little bit of a
671
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.559
crush on her. Oh yeah, very nice, especially considering she's,
672
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:54.000
you know, a little bit of an older woman for me. Yeah,
673
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.160
wear and tear there. I was trying to remember what
674
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.640
you said. I was trying to the phrases so I.
675
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.640
Could be like, yeah, not too much wear and tear
676
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.839
for you there, jays Gunning.
677
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:13.920
Good lord, it's the way she hates my guts. It's
678
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.920
the way she hates them. It's a really good line.
679
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.599
It's a really good line anyway.
680
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:21.239
So there's a number of things I really like about
681
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.360
the show. I really, I really do, and I'm so
682
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.559
pumped to see Also, I'm excited for Kyle Chandler in
683
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.800
this role because like they've got him in this very
684
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.599
particular part in his career as Hal Jordan where he's
685
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.559
like grizzled and older, and we're gonna see him over
686
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.320
the course of it looks like from ninety six to
687
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.679
twenty twenty six, So we've got like a thirty year
688
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.719
time period to work with. And they say in that
689
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.840
interview at the beginning, he came to Earth ten years
690
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.159
ago or he got the Lantern ten years ago, so
691
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.239
he's been around.
692
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:49.800
Since eighty six.
693
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.519
Wow, So like I if I'm not mistaken. So so
694
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.519
that's forty years of how Jordan before he's dead in
695
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:02.960
this episode. So like that means anything they do with
696
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:04.719
the DCU in the future where they do like kind
697
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.840
of flashbacky stuff, we could to have a dahed Kyle
698
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.800
Chandler hopping around. It'sl Jordan at any moment, And I kind.
699
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.320
Of love that. I was for a split second thinking
700
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:18.960
that we were gonna get Nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner because
701
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.880
when Aaron Pierre John Stewart shows up to Nebraska and
702
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:28.639
you know, he has to intervene the police line that's
703
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.960
at the city limits there and they say he gets
704
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.440
on the radio and he says there's another one. I
705
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.280
was like, Oh, Guy Gardner has already showed up because
706
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.320
he heard that how Jordan was on his way over here,
707
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.039
and not yeah, we know he's going to appear in
708
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.880
the in the in the season, but not not quite Yeah.
709
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.400
Well, and I wonder, so they said that he's the
710
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.000
first lantern for Earth, and apparently there's at least in
711
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.639
twenty sixteen, he's the only lantern I believe they say, right,
712
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.920
so before twenty twenty six when Superman is a cur
713
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.920
in twenty twenty five or whatever, there's there's at least
714
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.800
Guy Gardner. Does that mean Hal's either done or an
715
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.559
active or I don't know. I'm more could it be
716
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:16.760
that this this happens before and like Guy Gardner ends
717
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:18.920
up with the Ring or whatever, Like I don't know.
718
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Well, that's that's what kind of what I'm wondering too.
719
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I think again about that final scene, seeing the frozen
720
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cadaver they're not having a ring and knowing that John
721
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doesn't have it, I was immediately thinking, oh, you know,
722
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.519
it must be in the hands of some villain, but
723
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.480
maybe guy has it. Yeah, that's the issue.
724
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.679
Flew off of his hand like it did for Abn
725
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Sour or whatever, and like Aben sir, I don't know.
726
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.320
I'm confused. No, No, you're right, Abencer. It's it's really
727
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.199
tough when it comes to Abencer and in Yeah, that's
728
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:51.880
what I was right, because we that thing flew off.
729
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.960
Maybe that thing flew off of his hand and went
730
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.039
straight to uh Guy Gardner who put it on, and
731
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.599
and that maybe that's where he is in super But
732
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.599
that would I think the timeline doesn't work because I
733
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.599
think that happens before I think Superman happens before the
734
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twenty twenty six.
735
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:11.079
I think unclear. I think it's supposed to be like
736
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concurrent with when it came out. I think it's supposed
737
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.559
to be Circle twenty twenty five, not justining.
738
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.440
So who do you think is footing the bill? And
739
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.280
I feel like there's one obvious answer, who is footing
740
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.119
the bill for Macon's militia.
741
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.960
You think it's obvious. Well, with you thinking saying you
742
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.960
think it's obvious, that leads me to thinking maybe it's
743
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.400
Lex Luthor. Yeah, okay, that was not my immediate thought though,
744
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.480
but I do like that. I do you like it? Yeah?
745
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:40.039
I feel like.
746
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.440
I feel like it could easily be a The Internet
747
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.880
says that Superman is set in May of twenty twenty five,
748
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.960
so guy already had the ring tracks. Yeah, I thought
749
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.199
it was set when it came out, which would make sense.
750
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.639
But but yeah, yeah, I'm I'm wondering.
751
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:00.199
If it could be Lex Luthor just hates aliens as
752
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.360
much as you know. Uh, he's kind of young, though,
753
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.360
I think to have because this is ten years before,
754
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.920
so it'd be nine years before his role in Superman.
755
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.360
So could he be paying is he is he too?
756
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.639
Is he too young? Or could be his father? Could
757
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.920
it be you know, oh yeah, yeah Lex Luthor. In
758
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.400
the comics, Lex has a sordid history with his father,
759
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.760
so totally could be. Yeah.
760
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.159
Yeah, I'm just why like the fact that they had
761
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.679
that conversation about how someone owns this lamb but the
762
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:29.960
government wouldn't he wouldn't want the government to know because
763
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.800
they'll crack down and all that stuff.
764
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:35.320
I was like, who could it be. I'm glad you
765
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.559
brought that up too, because maybe I've gotten the point
766
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.400
across with everything else that we talked about. But I
767
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.679
do think colonialism is going to be a strong through
768
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.320
line for this series as well, because will William Macon says,
769
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.400
you know, this belonged to the Sue and another tribe
770
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.000
before them, and that's the scary thing about colonialism when
771
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.400
you're the ones being colonized. That's why we're so scared
772
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.320
of these extraterrestrial threats here.
773
00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:01.719
Absolutely, I'm I'm I'm low in that character, and I'm
774
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:03.880
really I feel like it's.
775
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:07.079
Very possible that that I thought it was.
776
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.719
We were getting a story of kind of kind of
777
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.280
like The Captain Marvel, where there's the alien threat, and
778
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.000
then we find out it's really the the response to
779
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:18.119
the alien threat that we really be worried about, you
780
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.480
know what I mean. Like this militia is going after
781
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.599
schools for refugees. Yeaheah, maybe these are just refugees, but
782
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:27.119
then that guy says that they're there because of war.
783
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.360
I mean, that could still be refugees though, like there
784
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.719
could be a refugee.
785
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.159
Thing happening here. He says that in the same breath though,
786
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.599
that like I had to come to this planet that
787
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.800
cares more about football a sport of competition, than they
788
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:44.360
do about famine and the violence of their atmosphere, innocence whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
789
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:45.400
yeah yeah.
790
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.239
So I'm I don't know, very interesting to see where
791
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.840
where all that's going. And uh, it's it doesn't seem
792
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:56.000
like either one is an obvious hero Revillain there right,
793
00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.519
I'm concerned. I'm concerned about Making and his militia obviously,
794
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.760
but I'm also that alien didn't seem like your friendly
795
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:04.639
neighborhood alien.
796
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.239
No, he didn't, he did not.
797
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.599
Uh yeah, I love that he called John out for
798
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:13.440
sleeping with his wife.
799
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.800
Yeah, it's so funny. Will you say, like, nothing nothing
800
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.840
better than eating off another man's grill? Oh?
801
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.719
Good lord, it's pretty pretty pretty rough, pretty rough?
802
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:29.119
All right?
803
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.920
Well, uh, I feel good, feel good? Anything else you
804
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.559
want to mention about this episode?
805
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.559
Just the last thing that kind of comes to mind again,
806
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.360
just to speak to I love Kyle Chandler, always have,
807
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.960
but I feel like he's kind of like perfectly cast
808
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.880
for this role in this series and the approach that
809
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:49.039
they're taking, because even just with like the fact that
810
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.519
we find his body on like bleachers there and like
811
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.199
just the football field setting, given his Friday Night lights
812
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.000
ten year, it just yep, it's it's meshing in a
813
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.800
well in a way that really works for me. Yeah, well,
814
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.400
it was almost too much.
815
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.719
In the first episode, there's like four football mentions where
816
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.039
he talks good offense or defense and he's like, whenever
817
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:10.400
they need me, he's like, good man, Like that is just.
818
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.440
Coach Taylor right there, like one hundred percent, and it's
819
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.000
Aaron Pierre that gets to have the real like coaching moment.
820
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:18.519
That's true. That is true.
821
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:21.599
I mean he's he's picking up the Coach Taylor mantle.
822
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.639
There we go. Well, I'm loving it.
823
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:29.000
I like, like, like I said, I a little slow.
824
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.119
It is my only real complaint. I like what it's doing,
825
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:35.000
and I'm very interested in all the characters and stuff.
826
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.599
Yeah yeah, same here. I feel like I'm a little
827
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.800
bit higher on this premiere than you are. But that's
828
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.280
that's completely okay. We'll see where the series goes awesome.
829
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.480
All right, man, Well, I will talk to you soon
830
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.519
and we'll be back right.
831
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:51.039
Here and always watching.
832
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:52.280
Oh you want to tell the people anything about you
833
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.559
got going on there, Scoots.
834
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.239
Yeah, you can always catch me over on Multiverse News.
835
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.239
That's the Strand up Pad podcast where we talk about
836
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:02.679
the latest and great in movie, TV and sometimes video
837
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.599
game news. And then if you want to follow me
838
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.880
on my personal stuff over on YouTube at Jase Scotti
839
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:11.519
for real, trying to put out some movie reviews and whatnot.
840
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.480
But the main thing that's kind of coming up here
841
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.960
is I'm working on developing a short horror film to
842
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.159
come out before the Halloween season, so that'll be a
843
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.320
good place to keep tuned in for all that good stuff.
844
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:22.119
I love it.
845
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.199
I can't wait to hear about that, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well,
846
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.599
we'll be back real soon right here. I'm always over
847
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.159
there at Multiverse News as well. Check that out Marvel
848
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.079
Cinematic Universe Podcast. We've got a lot of stuff going
849
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:33.920
on over there because all the D twenty three announcements
850
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.639
and trailers. Oh yeah, yeah, Vision Quest trailer, Doomsday trailer,
851
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.960
X x Men cast like kinds of stuff. So come
852
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.239
join us over there Marvel cinemat Universe Podcast. We did
853
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.440
we recorded a doomsday trailer reaction that's gonna go up
854
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.880
on YouTube tonight and all kinds of stuff, So follow,
855
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subscribe here on the podcast and always watching and yeah, yeah,
856
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:56.760
and I know we're doing plugs here, so this is
857
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.880
many people probably won't listen to this, And I don't
858
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.719
mean to make this podcast longer than it needs.
859
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.559
To be, but I did want to mention like the
860
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.960
timing of this I actually think is kind of ideal
861
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.079
because I didn't at first when the series was first
862
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:09.960
n out announced, it felt like we had to wait
863
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:12.000
so long for it to come out. But I think
864
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.119
in the wake of all these Marvel announcements but having
865
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:16.840
to wait for any of those things to actually come
866
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.840
to fruition, this is kind of a perfect time where
867
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.920
the hype and interest around like superhero properties has been
868
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:24.760
brought up that I think DC is really going to
869
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.199
benefit from it. Yeah, and I think as Marvel is
870
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:32.400
making a return to being the the golden child on
871
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.280
the silver screen, I think DC can kind of potentially
872
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.960
step in and really build a strong table of TV offerings.
873
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.480
But we will see they've always done well in TV,
874
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.440
Yeah we have. So Yeah, I'm excited.
875
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.800
Eric, We'll be back. Peace you keep watching or will
876
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.719
be watching while since we'll be watching it's been a while.
877
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.599
Thank you for listening to always watching a Stranded Panda podcast.
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