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20 exam windows invalidated. Roughly 150 graduates who thought they had a job in September now retaking a national certification exam. And a workforce gap between CRNAs and anesthesiologists that's up to 11,000 and accelerating.
Joe Rodriguez sits down with Randy Moore and Tracy Young, three days into Tracy's term as president of his professional association. They don't agree on all of it. That's the point.
The docket opens with the CAA certification crisis: what NCCAA found, why Tracy says the CRNA community shouldn't take a victory lap, and what it means for hospitals already stretched thin. From there, Randy walks through the supply and demand curves reshaping the locums market, Tracy lays out the data on the widening CRNA-anesthesiologist gap, and both agree a locums company bubble is forming, even if they disagree on the timeline. The sharpest moment of the episode: Randy makes the case that anesthesia groups have spent years selling themselves as a cost to minimize instead of an investment that drives OR volume, and argues that's the real reason contracts get lost.
Plus: a difficult conversation about a real-world medication error making national headlines, handled from a systems and second-victim lens rather than a blame lens, and Joe closes with a personal reflection on what changes when you stop trying to win every argument.
Takeaways:
Test-bank leaks don't just fail an exam. They retroactively threaten seven years of certifications. Confidentiality isn't a control, it's a hope.
Anesthesia supply is exploding on a delayed timeline. Cohort increases decided during COVID take three-plus years to hit the market. 2025's record graduate numbers are the first wave, not the peak.
Pricing anesthesia is not a simple supply and demand exercise. Margins are sticky. Recruiting gets easier before rates ever move, and the real correction only lands when a hospital's actual costs force the renegotiation.
Anesthesia groups lose contracts for one reason about 70% of the time: they can't cover the points of service. Cost is rarely the actual failure point, even though it's the stated one.
Framing anesthesia as a cost to minimize instead of an investment that unlocks OR volume is the biggest strategic error facility partners make, and anesthesia groups reinforce it every time they lead with price.
Power without discipline just wins arguments. Power used well finds the best answer and lets the argument go.
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Thanks for my co-hosts:
Randy Moore (EVP & National Chief CRNA, NorthStar Anesthesia)
Gary Keeling (VP of Anesthesia Services, Coronis RCM)
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