Transcription complète de #113: Can Human Design Make Following Your Intuition Easier? with Barbara Howlin

want to be an actor anymore? 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.959 Or quite simply, I couldn't even let myself take a break from acting. 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.480 So it had become this thing, which I am still very passionate about. 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.800 It'll always be my whole heart and on this doing theater and things. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:46.639 But uh, there were so many other branches of the tree and the path, I like to say, that were calling me. 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.600 So it really was doing my own unblocking work. 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:55.199 I think just getting curious, quite simply journaling is what started to open it. 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:56.800 And I went, I do want to write. 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:57.920 Okay, you want to write? 00:04:57.920 --> 00:04:58.800 What do you want to write? 00:04:58.800 --> 00:04:59.360 What is that? 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:00.480 Even just for me. 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:15.040 And then writing led to maybe I do want to direct, and then directing, and then it was producing, and then it was all of these things which actually led full circle to um there needed to be some deeper healing here for me to just let myself enjoy it. 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:21.600 Because I was doing all of the things, Natalie, but I was so very, I still say cut off from the neck down. 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:21.920 Yeah. 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:29.040 I really was shutting down my deeper intuition, my connection to spirit, like um this wilding energy I talk about so much. 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:36.800 And so even that, I was following it, but I was such a little shaky bottle rocket, and I couldn't let myself just savor it. 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.279 So that's why I needed all these healing modalities. 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:40.399 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:50.480 I mean, there's so much pressure when you I mean, when you do almost anything, um we both work with a lot of artists, so you know, it's a very familiar thing. 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:52.879 You, you know, you decide this is what you're gonna do. 00:05:52.879 --> 00:06:01.040 And already you're sold this story about how hard it's gonna be and how only a small percentage of people actually are able to make a real living at it. 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.800 And so you're like fighting uphill like the entire way. 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:12.800 And I think I know for me, like that fighting uphill became like this massive stubbornness and like I need to prove everyone wrong. 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:21.920 And so when you get into that space and and it does become this tunnel, then you stop seeing all the wonderful other things around you. 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:29.360 Um, and I like to say, like, as a multi-hyphenate, like I don't always know the reasons that I'm doing some of the things that I'm doing. 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.600 Like I had a random audition come through that I needed ice skating footage. 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.319 I went literally went to the ice skating rink right before we recorded this podcast today. 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.079 And I got on the ice and I was like, okay, I'm not like a professional ice skater. 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.720 I've never taken an ice skating class in my life. 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:50.879 Um, but I have great balance because I was a dancer my whole life and I was like, I don't know why I'm at this ice skating rink today. 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:54.240 If they're looking for professional ice skaters, I'm definitely not booking this commercial. 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:59.279 But for some reason, I was like, yes, I am gonna go and go to the ice skating rink and tape that. 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:00.399 And who knows why? 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:01.360 Who knows why? 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:10.480 But like it's like being open to following those little things and not being so attached to like the one vision or outcome that we have. 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.639 Um, so, so important. 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:13.519 All right. 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:22.000 So you started listening to these other pings, you started, um, you started following your instincts to write and produce and direct. 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:32.399 And and where along the path did it become clear to you that you were meant to share the gifts that you were uncovering for yourself with other people. 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:41.839 I would love to say that it felt like a calling, but you know, at first it was money because I needed we were actors, right? 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:42.639 Supplemental. 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:48.000 And I really had felt an intuitive ping, like a call to want to be an acting teacher and help people. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:55.279 And once I did follow that, you know, um, I was very lit up about that, but there was still something attached to it. 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:59.680 Um, because of course you work different places and they have different modalities of that. 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.680 And it didn't feel wholly me. 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:10.639 And once I sat back and realized, I was like, I'm really just encouraging people to reconnect to their instincts and their intuition. 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.959 I can't push anyone to get to that place. 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.279 I mean, I could, but then how is that of service? 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:23.680 They're gonna show up on set and not do it themselves or not, and that felt a little bit different than the things that I was being encouraged to do at these different places. 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:31.199 I loved being an acting teacher, but then came the calling, I think, of like, well, this is what you're really doing and what you feel called to do. 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.039 And it felt bigger and broader than just with actors or even just with creatives. 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:48.240 And that's what led me to all these different modalities, both within myself, Reiki energy work and human design

and The Artist's Way and all these things, to go, well, this is for all of us to we need to be rewilding and reconnecting to our intuition. 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:49.360 Yeah, yeah. 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:55.600 Take a moment and share for our audience what rewilding means to you. 00:09:23.659 --> 00:09:29.580 Rewilding is like a word someone said, and I think it just knocked me over and gave me this energy. 00:09:29.580 --> 00:09:30.939 And I went, that's it, that's it. 00:09:30.939 --> 00:09:31.819 I felt this. 00:09:31.819 --> 00:09:33.659 We were using the word trickster, right? 00:09:33.659 --> 00:09:37.819 Right before we started, and trickster vibes is like what I like to call it. 00:09:37.819 --> 00:09:50.939 That feeling inside of us, those things that were innate when we were born, of our innate gifts that we were probably told were too much, the energy that we need that can be different for all of us, that sustains us or lets us flow and stay lit up. 00:09:50.939 --> 00:10:02.539 Um, and how a lot of these systems have shut those things down to the shoulds, have-to's, and musts, to the logical brain taking over from you going, This just doesn't feel good for me. 00:10:02.539 --> 00:10:06.139 And as a return to that, it's been such a gift. 00:10:06.139 --> 00:10:24.460 I think the rewilding of our own intuition and connecting to ourself and our energy again and trusting that at a deeper level has let me connect to the energy all around me more and certainly people in different ways, um, to see it's all interconnected all the way up to the universe and inviting in help and synchronicity. 00:10:24.460 --> 00:10:25.019 Yes. 00:10:25.019 --> 00:10:30.539 And I think the rewilding starts within us and then returns us to the we consciousness. 00:10:30.779 --> 00:10:31.500 Yeah, yeah. 00:10:31.500 --> 00:10:53.179 Um, and there's something that you I believe said in your book, the way you describe rewilding, that like really brings it back to nature and like the way that nature itself is designed to be self-sustaining and to like kind of know intuitively what to do in order to, you know, survive or grow or thrive. 00:10:53.179 --> 00:10:56.220 Um, and that image really spoke a lot to me. 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:59.740 So I just wanted to make sure we got to share that with people as well. 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:00.299 Yes. 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:01.419 And I feel that now. 00:11:01.419 --> 00:11:03.259 I mean, I have a four-year-old Natalie. 00:11:03.259 --> 00:11:10.539 So I and someone actually, you know, a past student reached out yesterday and went, I'm already, you know, their partner's pregnant, and they were like, I just need some advice. 00:11:10.539 --> 00:11:11.659 I'm already nervous. 00:11:11.659 --> 00:11:19.340 And I was like, it is such a wilding process, but I have to remind myself every day my goal is just to let her be her. 00:11:19.340 --> 00:11:22.379 Yeah, and not do all these things when it's so hard. 00:11:22.379 --> 00:11:25.100 Like she's gonna teach me so much more than I could teach her. 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:28.059 If we can just let her stay her little wild self. 00:11:28.379 --> 00:11:47.980 Yeah, I know it is so hard because a lot of the conditioning that, you know, I work with people to help undo, uh, that I've done the work on myself to undo, that I'm sure that you're working with people to undo, it's based on all of the societal conditioning and everything from you know, parents being told like this is the way your kids are supposed to behave. 00:11:47.980 --> 00:11:50.539 So it's your job to make sure that they do this. 00:11:50.539 --> 00:12:01.580 Um, everything from that to, you know, things coming down from society and being like, this is what's okay for women to do, and this is what's not okay for women to do, you know, and it's coming at us from all sides. 00:12:01.580 --> 00:12:12.299 So, you know, it's a beautiful place to be in a space where you're a parent who is self-aware, who can question, you know, oh, why am I making my child do this thing? 00:12:12.299 --> 00:12:14.220 Is that really what's best for them? 00:12:14.220 --> 00:12:23.659 And like, you know, finding the balance, or you know, I imagine sometimes it's like, well, I'm gonna teach you this thing, but I want you to, you're teaching them maybe a nuance. 00:12:23.659 --> 00:12:25.259 You're like trying to like explain. 00:12:25.259 --> 00:12:31.659 Like, I want you to do this because of X, but that doesn't mean you're always supposed to do this and make yourself small. 00:12:31.659 --> 00:12:34.700 It's just in certain circumstances you have to do this. 00:12:34.939 --> 00:12:36.860 Yes, I love that you brought that word up. 00:12:36.860 --> 00:12:53.980 I have to say, in my own journey, and what I say to so many people now is um if we don't return to the rewilding, there's no space in us for nuance that we've just really lost and look at the society that two things can be true at once, you know, and that we both need different things to coexist. 00:12:53.980 --> 00:13:00.460 If we can accept that within ourselves, we can accept it in other people and live from a more nuanced, connected place. 00:13:00.700 --> 00:13:01.179 Yeah, yeah. 00:13:01.179 --> 00:13:02.939 Now I was having this wild conversation. 00:13:02.939 --> 00:13:15.419 I don't even remember who it was with at this point, but you know, it was like, you know, parents who were talking about, you know, the fact that they they will um, you know, they'll show up and they're, you know, they'll let their kids do a certain thing. 00:13:15.419 --> 00:13:16.939 Oh, I remember what it was now. 00:13:16.939 --> 00:13:28.460 I was talking, we were talking, my my family was talking the other day, and my sister was talking about the fact that her son is in fourth grade and that he can now um be self-releasing at the end of the school day. 00:13:28.460 --> 00:13:37.659 And how like, you know, some kid was like, you know,

playing on the playground halfway down the street, you know, the parents can actually see them from the front yard. 00:13:37.659 --> 00:13:46.539 And some mom walked the kid home and like, you know, tried to educate the parent about the fact that that was inappropriate. 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:56.139 And we do kind of live in a society now where, you know, growing up, we went outside all the time, our parents didn't know exactly where we were, like it was a whole thing. 00:13:56.139 --> 00:14:00.460 But now it's like there's so much control that seems to be exerted. 00:14:00.460 --> 00:14:07.899 And if you don't choose that as a parent, sometimes people are trying to put that on you because of what they think is appropriate. 00:14:08.220 --> 00:14:18.860 And that, and I do say in the book, that part that you're talking about, especially with nature, we're releasing the control that we were trying to put on nature in these ecological rewilding. 00:14:18.860 --> 00:14:20.700 And that's definitely the societal thing too. 00:14:20.700 --> 00:14:30.860 I think the opposite of staying in that wild true self is this faux sense of control, which doesn't exist anyways, because nature's gonna stay wild and do things. 00:14:30.860 --> 00:14:34.059 So it just, it really isn't uphill battle otherwise. 00:14:34.059 --> 00:14:35.659 And we're making it so much harder, like you said. 00:14:35.899 --> 00:14:36.860 Right, right, right. 00:14:36.860 --> 00:14:44.939 And and uh Barbara wrote a book, which we're gonna talk about a little bit more in a bit, but the title of the book is Can It Be Easy? 00:14:44.939 --> 00:14:47.419 And I think that's so wonderful, right? 00:14:47.419 --> 00:14:56.139 Because the the thing is is that we're like falsely taught that the way to succeed is through hard work. 00:14:56.139 --> 00:15:14.059 And then so then when we hit an obstacle or a barrier, rather than trying to find another way, it doesn't necessarily mean, okay, I want to be an actor and I, you know, I went to this open call and I, you know, I didn't get a call back or I didn't get seen, or worse, like I had a horrible audition and it was terrible. 00:15:14.059 --> 00:15:15.980 That doesn't mean you're not supposed to be an actor. 00:15:15.980 --> 00:15:21.419 It just means that particular role, that particular path isn't right on that given day. 00:15:21.419 --> 00:15:25.500 But most of us be like, okay, well, I'm gonna make this happen. 00:15:25.500 --> 00:15:30.460 And then we just push and we keep showing up and we do the same thing over and over. 00:15:30.460 --> 00:15:37.899 And instead, when we are looking for it to be easy, we're like, oh, that wasn't easy. 00:15:37.899 --> 00:15:42.220 So it that could mean that that's just not the path. 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:54.379 I'm not supposed to go an open call, or that's not the right production for me, or that's not the right theater company for me, or maybe I don't do really well in big, massive uh audition settings. 00:15:54.379 --> 00:16:03.340 So I need to figure out how to tune my nervous system so that I can, you know, there's a whole host of other things that that points to, but instead we just push. 00:16:03.340 --> 00:16:07.500 And so the the looking for the easy is what I'm like getting on here. 00:16:07.500 --> 00:16:21.179 Like, like, like how can we how can we be accepting of and even embrace the fact that when it feels easy, that is actually when we're gonna gain the most momentum and the most growth. 00:16:21.740 --> 00:16:22.700 Yes, yes. 00:16:22.700 --> 00:16:25.259 It's it's called can it be that easy? 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:39.340 Because I think that the ease I say, and I want to specify in the book, we talk about there's so much more nuance to the world and the systems we're living in that are very real, to not spiritually bypass of things that are trying to make it difficult for all of us. 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:46.779 And yet, still when we hack into our own intuition, the ease we're talking about, you pretty much said it there is alignment, right? 00:16:46.779 --> 00:16:47.100 Right. 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:50.059 I am in control of my own alignment here. 00:16:50.059 --> 00:17:00.939 And can I really trust a little bit more that the true wilding energy of the universe uh is this supportive, loving, responsive life force energy, which you just said. 00:17:00.939 --> 00:17:01.819 Is it me? 00:17:01.819 --> 00:17:09.819 I need to clean out my side of the street and do some alignment work here, or if we're so lit up about the thing and you are feeling it going, that wouldn't have been a fit for me, anyways. 00:17:09.819 --> 00:17:11.259 Pivot on to the next. 00:17:11.259 --> 00:17:11.500 Right. 00:17:11.500 --> 00:17:14.460 And we just don't let ourselves pivot very quickly. 00:17:14.460 --> 00:17:18.940 And I say literally, like, it doesn't have to be pushing a boulder up a hill. 00:17:18.940 --> 00:17:21.740 It's not gonna feel like that when we're actually in alignment. 00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:25.019 Yeah, no, I like, I'm like, I'm like, are you pushing the boulder up a hill? 00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:30.779 Because what we actually want is that when you get to the top of the hill and you're pushing the boulder and it goes rolling all the way down the hill. 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:33.980 And that's what we're actually trying to get in the space for you. 00:17:33.980 --> 00:17:40.460 So you're like setting yourself up, you're building the structure so that you literally just go and it goes, nobody can see what I'm doing. 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:43.420 You literally just tap it and it goes rolling down the hill. 00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:47.180 Yes, one exuberant tap of trust. 00:17:47.180 --> 00:17:50.379 Yes, so much more than and and I feel this. 00:17:50.379 --> 00:17:57.420 This is a top question I ask for a lot of people around here, human design, and one of the main energy centers, which is our heart there. 00:17:57.420 --> 00:18:04.460 And

the alignment of that energy center is are you trying to push and prove yourself or is your heart really in this? 00:18:04.460 --> 00:18:15.660 And if your heart is truly in it and in this place of alignment, you're gonna keep showing up from a totally different energetic of what you just did of like clicking those little boulders with exuberance, knowing the right one's gonna land where it has to land. 00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:16.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:16.940 --> 00:18:18.140 So, so good. 00:18:18.140 --> 00:18:21.420 All right, let's talk a little bit about the tools that you use. 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:27.900 Um, I do energy work, but I don't specifically do Reiki Ray, Reiki, I just said it totally wrong. 00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:30.859 Rike, why can't I say it all of a sudden? 00:18:32.619 --> 00:18:33.180 That's great. 00:18:33.180 --> 00:18:34.379 Please keep this in. 00:18:34.379 --> 00:18:35.099 Reiki. 00:18:35.900 --> 00:18:36.299 Reiki. 00:18:36.299 --> 00:18:38.460 I'm like, why can't I say this all of a sudden? 00:18:38.460 --> 00:18:39.339 I know what it is. 00:18:39.339 --> 00:18:42.140 I have, you know, a friend who's done it for me. 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:45.019 Um but anyway, can you talk a little bit about that? 00:18:45.019 --> 00:18:57.980 Because it's gonna be different than the energy work that even people who have worked with me are familiar with, and also human design and and um how you found those tools and what the best ways in are for people who are just kind of getting acquainted. 00:18:58.299 --> 00:19:06.539 Yeah, you know, I had done a lot of other tools, systems, books, and things that really help you unblock their radical unblocking and like open a door. 00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:09.500 And I found myself just standing at the doorway. 00:19:09.500 --> 00:19:17.900 And I think um I needed this alignment we're talking about to actually walk the path on repeat in my own sustainable way. 00:19:17.900 --> 00:19:31.259 So, with trusting my own intuition, human design was the first thing that really gave me practical application tips and says what you sort of commented on before, like, what if we all feel or hear our intuition differently? 00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:36.379 Yes, there is a very real science connection now between our logical brain, our emotional brain, and our gut, right? 00:19:36.379 --> 00:19:38.140 Our gut biome, all of that. 00:19:38.140 --> 00:19:43.740 But when someone would tell me as an intuitive projector, well, trust your gut, are you energized? 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:45.500 I was like, crickets, crickets. 00:19:45.500 --> 00:19:47.180 I didn't, I didn't feel that. 00:19:47.180 --> 00:19:50.299 That never resonated to me because it's not really me. 00:19:50.299 --> 00:20:02.140 And human design helped me feel like my intuitive voice or spleenic authority, like your authority in human design is the first place intuition pings you is this still small voice. 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:08.779 And I was running so quickly on such a hamster wheel, I was never slowing down to just listen to that voice. 00:20:08.779 --> 00:20:11.019 So I genuinely need to be alone. 00:20:11.019 --> 00:20:17.180 This is why journaling and journaling in nature, I really listened to it, and it's kind of felt like a channeling thing to me. 00:20:17.180 --> 00:20:30.140 Um, that helped me, and then it gives you the practical application tools called our strategy, how you best make decisions from that, which could also be different for all of us because we all need different things to sustain our energy and stay aligned. 00:20:30.140 --> 00:20:32.619 Myself is a projector, but what are you in human? 00:20:33.339 --> 00:20:34.379 I'm a generator 00:20:34.379 --> 00:20:35.180 versus a generator. 00:20:35.180 --> 00:20:35.980 That's what I was gonna say. 00:20:35.980 --> 00:20:40.779 We're so different, and my husband's a manifesting generator, and like I need a lot more rest. 00:20:40.779 --> 00:20:45.259 When I read that, that I mean, projectors are really meant to work three hours a day. 00:20:45.259 --> 00:20:49.019 I I genuinely started crying because I thought something was wrong with me. 00:20:49.019 --> 00:20:52.940 I thought it was lazy, but no, I'm really here to work so differently. 00:20:52.940 --> 00:21:00.220 Um, so trusting my intuition and then doing that dance of what human design was guiding me on was so helpful. 00:21:00.220 --> 00:21:03.819 And yet still I had so much pent-up energy. 00:21:03.819 --> 00:21:09.980 And specifically, I say in the book, grief, which ends up being one for a lot of people that I do the work with, you too, right? 00:21:09.980 --> 00:21:13.579 And Reiki really was the thing. 00:21:13.579 --> 00:21:22.859 Reiki simply is life force energy, that life force energy that's running through the trees, that's running through our body, through what's going uh and in the floor and our feet. 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:28.460 And it is really the belief that this is a responsive, loving life force energy connecting everything. 00:21:28.460 --> 00:21:38.779 Yeah, that any of us can at any time choose to release fear, tension, and worry and reconnect to that life force energy and invite it into the energy chakras of our body. 00:21:38.779 --> 00:21:50.779 So that really is the thing, too, that I think let me release what was so pent up so that I could then surrender to trust in a bigger way because I was holding a lot of fear. 00:21:51.019 --> 00:21:52.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:21:52.460 --> 00:22:05.180 No, I think um that was a big uh proponent of the energy work that I did do for me was that um it really supported me in regulating my nervous system in a way that I had never been able to find before. 00:22:05.180 --> 00:22:12.059 And it helped me start to feel um I have um I have an open uh solar plexus. 00:22:12.059 --> 00:22:17.980 So um, so it really helped me recognize oh, I am really empathic. 00:22:17.980 --> 00:22:21.180 And 90% of what

I'm feeling is actually really not my own. 00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:27.019 And it started to help me really find the separation between what was mine and what was not. 00:22:27.019 --> 00:22:36.379 Mine and the being able to clear out, you know, years of extra energy that had glommed on to me, stuck to me, um, was so important. 00:22:36.379 --> 00:22:42.779 And it's like, oh, well, it makes sense that I'm a really good actor because when it comes to playing a role, I'm not using myself. 00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:47.180 I'm totally just channeling whatever it is from wherever it comes, right? 00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:50.379 But then it would get stuck in my system and I couldn't get rid of it. 00:22:50.379 --> 00:22:51.660 So it would be very overwhelming. 00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:59.819 And so the energy work for me was like the piece that helped me figure out that regulation and really find myself. 00:22:59.819 --> 00:23:10.299 And but yeah, like similar to you, like as when I found out I was a generator and I was only supposed to follow what I love, that man, that was like, woo! I was like, thank God. 00:23:10.299 --> 00:23:20.059 Because, you know, it's like everything, everything that I was brought up with, it was like, no, you, you know, you know, making money is the most important thing. 00:23:20.059 --> 00:23:23.099 And it's, you know, it's this is a trust fall sometimes, right? 00:23:23.099 --> 00:23:27.740 Because you're like, okay, I really don't want to do this thing, but it is paying my bills right now. 00:23:27.740 --> 00:23:32.220 So I just, so when I'm in that position like that, I start to play a game with myself. 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:35.579 And I'm like, okay, I really do I really need to do this right now. 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:37.660 And if the answer is yes, I keep doing it. 00:23:37.660 --> 00:23:40.220 But I'm like, how can I make this more fun, more joyful? 00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:42.700 How do I bring more of my joy into it? 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:45.980 And that inevitably, like, that shifts everything, right? 00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:53.819 Um, and then eventually, you know, maybe I do stop doing these other things that I don't love doing that I have been doing that help me make money. 00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:59.500 But it's a way of reorienting myself to the things that I do. 00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:07.980 Yes, that is love that you brought that up because it's a whole section of the book where I'm like, when in doubt, and if we still don't fully trust, you have to gamify it. 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:15.420 Gamify it with yourself with this, gamify it with the universe, being like, okay, I'm gonna go do this, but I'm gonna do it the most fun way. 00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:20.299 When really you and manifesting generators, you're 70% of the population. 00:24:20.299 --> 00:24:20.619 Yeah. 00:24:20.619 --> 00:24:26.299 You're supposed to be coming from your gut, which is like your life force energy of what you're excited about, what you're exuberant about. 00:24:26.299 --> 00:24:28.619 So, how do we like gamify the process more? 00:24:28.700 --> 00:24:29.819 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:38.460 So, for people who aren't familiar, can you give us a brief rundown of what the energy types are and the and and the authorities? 00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:40.059 Because we've talked about both vaguely. 00:24:40.059 --> 00:24:46.539 And for people who don't know what we're talking about, they might they'll be more clear to once you explain a little bit more which those what those are. 00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:47.579 Yeah, absolutely. 00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:53.339 So the simplest place to start, human design, I will say, is the deepest wormhole. 00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:54.940 It's never ending. 00:24:54.940 --> 00:24:58.059 Um, and so sometimes people come into it and they feel overwhelmed. 00:24:58.059 --> 00:25:02.940 You do not need to do the deep dive if you're not like me, who will be doing the dive forever. 00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:18.220 There's just those main three things that you need to start experimenting with: your energy type, how your energy best flows and sustains you and stays lit up, your inner authority, which is the first place intuition is gonna pin you to feel and listen to past the spinning head. 00:25:18.220 --> 00:25:23.099 And then your strategy, how do you best make decisions to stay in sustaining that? 00:25:23.099 --> 00:25:28.299 So there's a good percentage for all of them that is helpful, which is you generators, right? 00:25:28.299 --> 00:25:30.779 Or about 35% of the population. 00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:36.859 Um, you really I will just say, I don't know when this is gonna air, but one of the best ones ever passed away yesterday. 00:25:36.859 --> 00:25:38.779 Dolly Parton is the generator. 00:25:38.779 --> 00:25:39.339 Oh, yeah. 00:25:39.339 --> 00:25:49.900 And I went, Dolly Parton is the most sparkly generator ever because you all here um house the biggest life force energy of any other energy type. 00:25:49.900 --> 00:25:53.660 And you do that by following what you're excited about, what you're lit up about. 00:25:53.660 --> 00:25:57.019 And when you do that, you spill out that light to other people. 00:25:57.019 --> 00:26:01.579 So it's one you can really do anything as a generator, but how do we trust and follow that? 00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:07.660 And then the second one is manifesting generators, who are almost 35% of the population, too. 00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:10.059 They are also the newest energy type. 00:26:10.059 --> 00:26:18.299 So you manifesting generators are really here to show us a new way instead of this boulder up the linear path that Natalie, you and I are talking about. 00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:20.859 Manifesting generators, you're nonlinear. 00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:26.059 You're really here to go from A to B to Z, back to A, following what you're excited about. 00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:31.740 I always say it's probably gonna feel like you

have five lifetimes in one lifetime, and that's very energetically correct. 00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:37.579 It doesn't mean you're scattered, you are not here to live by society's norms, and you're here to show all of us. 00:26:37.579 --> 00:26:39.579 I think, can it be that easy? 00:26:39.579 --> 00:26:43.420 My husband is the biggest man of us in general I've ever met. 00:26:43.420 --> 00:26:50.220 And if I were to tell you he's been a professional soccer player and then he went to law school, and then he was a racehorse trainer, and now he's an actor, and now he's a screenwriter. 00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:54.940 I mean, that's yeah, yeah, you can do all of it, and you're here to show all of us that we can do all of it. 00:26:54.940 --> 00:26:57.180 So trust that nonlinear nature. 00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:59.900 And then myself, a projector. 00:26:59.900 --> 00:27:02.940 Projectors are 20% of the population. 00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:10.299 And unlike you generators and manifesting generators, we do not have this consistent sacral life force energy that you have. 00:27:10.299 --> 00:27:16.619 We don't have that engine colored in on our charts, which means we need a lot more rest. 00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:20.220 We are here to work like three hours a day. 00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:23.019 And why is because we're so very efficient. 00:27:23.019 --> 00:27:29.339 Usually, you projectors, you can get just as much done in three hours as it takes other people eight or nine hours to do. 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:32.779 So the trust as a projector is we're not here. 00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:36.539 I like a forest metaphor always because of the name of my business. 00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:47.500 But if you all are the wolves in the forest and you have this energy and you can keep running, projectors are here to be the birds hovering above who can see the whole map and can help tweak the flow for everyone. 00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:48.940 Going, go left, not right. 00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:50.140 It'll be easier. 00:27:50.140 --> 00:27:52.140 So, can we trust as projectors? 00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:55.180 We're here to be more the seers and the sharers than the doers. 00:27:55.180 --> 00:28:00.220 And then there are manifestors who are like eight to nine percent of the population. 00:28:00.220 --> 00:28:06.859 If you've met a manifester, you know it because they have the biggest energy and aura out of anyone. 00:28:06.859 --> 00:28:12.779 And they are really here to be the trailblazers to go against the grain in a big way of society. 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:19.819 Um, they are here, and when they follow their own convictions, they really create a path that did not exist before. 00:28:19.819 --> 00:28:26.460 they're here to follow their own convictions and say, Natalie and Barbara, I'm taken on the train put to Paris, who's coming with me? 00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:29.740 And we'll be like, oh my God, I want to go to Paris, or it's not a fit. 00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:35.660 But the thing about a manifestor is not shutting down their big urges and conforming and people pleasing. 00:28:35.660 --> 00:28:40.460 Um, or I always say polling the audience, as they were probably taught to do as kids. 00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:45.099 They're really here to follow their big convictions, so they open up a new pathway for all of us. 00:28:45.099 --> 00:28:48.539 And then the last one is reflectors. 00:28:48.539 --> 00:28:52.379 You reflectors are only 1% of the population. 00:28:52.379 --> 00:28:56.619 And in all the hundreds of readings I've done, I've met three reflectors. 00:28:56.619 --> 00:29:07.420 Um, reflectors really have this beautiful ethereal quality to them because if you look at a human design chart, every single one of their energy centers is white, meaning open, not colored in. 00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:17.900 So they're just taking in so much energy and wisdom from the world, and they're here to really reflect that back to all of us on a bigger scale and show us what's not working. 00:29:17.900 --> 00:29:22.299 So that also I know reflectors can feel kind of like a big responsibility. 00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:33.819 So they also need a lot of alone time, time in spaces like nature or ideal environments where they get to release all this energy, like you were talking about, also being an emotional open area here. 00:29:33.819 --> 00:29:36.059 Um, they need a lot of alone time. 00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:40.859 And unlike the rest of us, who are solar beings, they're actually called lunar beings. 00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:44.539 So they are here to sort of live by the lunar calendar. 00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:50.460 And sometimes it can take uh, you know, two weeks, three weeks for them to make a big decision. 00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:55.579 And really that's the thing is rejecting hustle culture and like trusting their timing. 00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:56.140 Yeah. 00:29:56.140 --> 00:29:56.619 Yeah. 00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:57.500 Yeah. 00:29:57.980 --> 00:29:58.460 Awesome. 00:29:58.460 --> 00:29:59.259 That's so helpful. 00:29:59.259 --> 00:30:00.859 I do. 00:30:00.859 --> 00:30:05.099 I mean, I've been following human design for probably about four or five years. 00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:16.140 Um but I but you know, it's it's helpful for other people because, you know, and I would say that most of my audience, you know, we tend to attract, or at least for me, I tend to attract people like myself. 00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:23.420 So I mostly work with generators, sometimes manifesting generators is very rare that I end up working with anyone else. 00:30:23.420 --> 00:30:26.220 I have I have sacral authority. 00:30:26.220 --> 00:30:31.900 Um, I've I've attract a lot of people with sacral authority and people, a lot of people with emotional authority. 00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:40.140 But that's like really when I bring when I bring human design into a coaching session, those are the people that I've worked with. 00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:46.379 Um and and I

and I feel like I've I'm starting to understand some of the other areas. 00:30:46.379 --> 00:30:50.220 And it was really cool when I was reading the book to hear about your spleenic authority. 00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:59.900 Cause I, you know, because it was like when I started leading things, I I think I did a few workshops where, you know, you I help people like, you know, listen to their own intuition to make a decision. 00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:02.779 And I, you know, for me, it's a feeling in my body. 00:31:02.779 --> 00:31:04.460 I'm also clear sentient. 00:31:04.460 --> 00:31:07.579 Um, so I was that was what I was leading with. 00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:11.420 But then someone would say, Oh, I saw this light, and I was like, oh, okay, cool. 00:31:11.420 --> 00:31:14.379 Like, and that's like everyone has their own different way in. 00:31:14.379 --> 00:31:16.140 So, you know, I always try to stay open to that. 00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:21.019 But so far in my communities, um, it's almost always been generators and manifesting generators to this place. 00:31:21.259 --> 00:31:23.420 That's amazing though, because it is so interesting. 00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:35.740 I love that that you know what that feels like and can help them when sometimes I I do have to go, I'll share all of the things generators and manifest generators have told me about what the sacral hell yes feels like in their body. 00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:37.900 But I have to go, what does that actually feel like to you? 00:31:37.900 --> 00:31:39.180 Because it can feel different to everyone. 00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:40.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:31:40.539 --> 00:31:42.700 So yeah, and it's like, yeah. 00:31:42.700 --> 00:31:48.379 And so I'm I you know, it's like I'm a body person, you know, I like I think I lead with that, you know. 00:31:48.379 --> 00:31:52.859 I was a dancer for, you know, years before I ever started acting. 00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:56.460 And um, and ultimately like I, you know, teach Pilates. 00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:59.019 I've taught a lot of different other physical modalities as well. 00:31:59.019 --> 00:32:02.859 And and so like the body is sort of where it all starts for me. 00:32:02.859 --> 00:32:09.420 Um, and I've happened to find energy work at a time that I was going through a lot of um uh weird symptoms. 00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:11.099 I have an autoimmune disorder. 00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:15.900 And so I found energy work when I couldn't move my energy with my body. 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:20.779 So I needed to find another way to move my energy, like because the energy just got stuck, you know, it was during the pandemic. 00:32:20.779 --> 00:32:22.299 I wasn't leaving the house, you know. 00:32:22.299 --> 00:32:33.259 And I also like love doing yoga, but when my at that point I was dizzy all the time, I so there was no way I was doing a yoga practice where you go up and down 20 to 20 million times in 30 minutes, you know. 00:32:33.259 --> 00:32:38.779 So, so um, so yeah, so like, but but ultimately it's like how do we move our energy? 00:32:38.779 --> 00:32:54.460 And there are all kinds of different ways to move our energy, but you know, a lot of times I feel like you know, the cause of us feeling stuck, whether that's mentally stuck or it's a physical illness, it comes because the energy has stopped moving or stopped flowing and it's stagnant in some way. 00:32:54.859 --> 00:32:55.180 Yes. 00:32:55.180 --> 00:32:59.900 And for you, I mean, think you generators and manifesting generators are 70% of the population. 00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:00.299 Yeah. 00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:05.579 And the thing is, that sacral of yours, you wake up and you have a full battery each day, even if it doesn't feel like it. 00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:05.819 Yeah. 00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:10.700 I know your life force energy has to move somehow. 00:33:10.700 --> 00:33:13.099 And if it doesn't, it's just inside of you. 00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:21.019 And I always tell you all it goes to your head then and spins, and then people have sleep problems or other things happening, or or literally we're just spinning in our head. 00:33:21.019 --> 00:33:26.859 And I'm like, honestly, the main thing I try to prescribe, ascribe in the book, is just go for a walk. 00:33:26.859 --> 00:33:29.819 And for some people, it's but I'm working from home on this. 00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:34.059 I'm like, when it's starting to spin, can we just get up and walk around the house for five minutes? 00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:39.740 Like the energy just wants to keep moving because you all are amazing because you have so much of it, but it has to go somewhere. 00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:41.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. 00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:45.339 All right, can you talk us through um the different authorities? 00:33:45.339 --> 00:33:48.859 We've talked a little bit about spleenic and then obviously sacral. 00:33:48.859 --> 00:33:52.220 I haven't we haven't described what emotional is for those people. 00:33:52.220 --> 00:33:54.140 So can you just kind of walk us through those? 00:33:54.619 --> 00:33:56.619 the emotional is always where I start. 00:33:56.619 --> 00:34:09.660 And that's being open there, and I will say living with two emotional authorities, both my husband and my daughter, uh, it's very important, I will say, not only for everyone to know what your authority is, which of these energy centers is for you. 00:34:09.660 --> 00:34:19.500 But when you look at your chart, if one of these is open, we say it's white, not colored in, that's where you're taking in so much energy or information from the world. 00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:26.780 And like you just said, Nally, it's so important to learn to be a screen and not a sponge there, I always say, or to know I have to go release this. 00:34:26.780 --> 00:34:31.740 So for emotional authorities, that centers colored in the solar plexus. 00:34:31.740 --> 00:34:43.500 They are really here to ride the waves of their feelings

when they come and not rush decisions, which can feel tricky, especially when the feelings feel good and they're on a high high and they may feel passionate. 00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:47.180 They are very passionate creative people and they get so excited. 00:34:47.180 --> 00:34:50.860 And yet, those feelings waves can change very quickly. 00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:53.100 So it's a just accepting it. 00:34:53.100 --> 00:35:03.820 You can't rush the wave, you can surf the wave, I always say, and wait maybe usually a day or two till you feel baseline, which you will, and then go, is this actually gonna feel good for me? 00:35:03.820 --> 00:35:04.860 Yes or no. 00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:10.620 Reconnecting to the feelings of what that experience of committing to something, making the decision is gonna feel like. 00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:13.820 And you'll know based on those feelings there. 00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:23.740 If you have that open, it's very important, like Natalie and I were saying, to not hold the feelings and energy of other people there because we actually can amplify it. 00:35:23.740 --> 00:35:31.740 You know, if I'm not taking responsibility and my husband's frustrated at a two, I'll walk in the room and all of a sudden I'm frustrated at an 11 and getting involved. 00:35:31.740 --> 00:35:34.220 And it really is not helpful for our nervous systems. 00:35:34.220 --> 00:35:34.620 Yeah. 00:35:34.620 --> 00:35:34.860 Yeah. 00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:35.260 Yeah. 00:35:35.260 --> 00:35:35.660 Yeah. 00:35:35.660 --> 00:35:37.500 Then there's the sacral, like you. 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:43.340 the sacral is, I would say, the majority of people, which is your gut, that life force energy. 00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:48.460 It is a little tricksy because it does not do well with open-ended questions. 00:35:48.460 --> 00:35:54.060 It really needs options to respond to in the world or a yes or no binary question. 00:35:54.060 --> 00:35:56.140 But this is so helpful. 00:35:56.140 --> 00:35:58.540 I would never ask my husband, what do you want for dinner? 00:35:58.540 --> 00:36:00.460 Because that's just going to spin into this. 00:36:00.460 --> 00:36:03.260 Uh, if I go like, do you want tacos or do you want pizza? 00:36:03.260 --> 00:36:04.860 He'll be like, Oh, I want tacos. 00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:11.500 Because you need things to respond to with that sacral that gut and then feel into the energetic response you're getting. 00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:14.300 I always say, I'd be curious how it feels for you, Natalie. 00:36:14.300 --> 00:36:21.420 But people describe it as I feel it as a full-body, energized tell yes, or it's just kind of a no, and I know. 00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:28.460 And the thing to check in there, it is very easy for that energy to go to our head and start to should or guilt us. 00:36:28.460 --> 00:36:32.300 So I say, be mindful when the energy feels like it's a yes. 00:36:32.300 --> 00:36:36.220 And then two hours later you're going, well, I should probably. 00:36:36.220 --> 00:36:38.940 And we're denying the deeper intuition get pull there. 00:36:39.180 --> 00:36:39.340 Yeah. 00:36:39.660 --> 00:36:40.300 Do you feel that? 00:36:40.700 --> 00:36:40.940 Yeah. 00:36:40.940 --> 00:36:47.580 I mean, I would say like some of the things that I've learned is that first of all, the gut is always very of the moment, right? 00:36:47.580 --> 00:36:51.580 So if you wait five minutes and you ask the same question, you might get a different answer. 00:36:51.580 --> 00:36:56.620 Now, most of the time our answers are consistent unless it's about something really big. 00:36:56.620 --> 00:37:07.900 But if I'm like never, if I don't get a consistent answer, if I literally ask the question and then I ask it again and then I ask it again and I get different answers, to me, that's just as like much as like, okay, then don't make this decision right now. 00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:14.380 But but yes, I do like when I when it's a yes, I feel a sense of expansion. 00:37:14.380 --> 00:37:18.380 It's definitely in the lower half of my body, like all the way up to my solar plexus. 00:37:18.380 --> 00:37:24.460 Um, sometimes it goes beyond that, but that's it's like mo mostly like from my pelvis up to my to up to my solar plexus. 00:37:24.460 --> 00:37:28.620 And usually a no for me just feels like a retraction. 00:37:28.620 --> 00:37:31.180 Sometimes it feels like I'm pulling back in space. 00:37:31.180 --> 00:37:35.580 Um and sometimes it just feels like like small. 00:37:35.580 --> 00:37:42.460 It's interesting because I do a lot of other body tests sometimes when I and I do almost always ask yes or no questions. 00:37:42.460 --> 00:37:47.980 Um, but some of my body tests, like I've gotten to the nuance, but I am clairsentient. 00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:54.220 So it's like it's like much more like I don't know that everyone can get to this nuance, or maybe they can, but it's just it takes time. 00:37:54.220 --> 00:37:57.100 But I will get a different response if it's a maybe. 00:37:57.100 --> 00:38:04.140 So if I stand up and do like there's a human pendulum test where if you ask a question and it's a yes, your body will lean forward. 00:38:04.140 --> 00:38:06.300 And if you it's a no, your body will lean back. 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:07.900 And sometimes my body goes side to side. 00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:09.260 I'm like, that's a maybe. 00:38:10.140 --> 00:38:11.580 I love that test. 00:38:11.580 --> 00:38:13.420 That's such a cool way to do it. 00:38:13.660 --> 00:38:14.620 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:14.620 --> 00:38:15.980 All right. 00:38:15.980 --> 00:38:17.660 So what are the other authorities? 00:38:17.660 --> 00:38:18.780 We have spleen. 00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:19.500 Yeah. 00:38:19.740 --> 00:38:22.620 the spleen energy center uh is mine. 00:38:22.620 --> 00:38:25.180 And the spleen is actually our oldest energy center. 00:38:25.180 --> 00:38:31.500 Think when we were hunter-gatherers, you just had this sixth sense of

something, and that one is mine. 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:36.780 It really is this still small voice that is speaking to you in the moment. 00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:41.660 Uh, I am Claire Audience, and most people that I would say have this are Claire Audience. 00:38:41.660 --> 00:38:49.260 So it's really slowing down, getting quiet to listen to that voice to train myself to actually hear it in the moment. 00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:54.140 Because this is our oldest energy center, it also is where we hold most of our fear. 00:38:54.140 --> 00:38:59.900 So when I was holding so much fear in my life, this voice had gotten so quiet I couldn't even hear it anymore. 00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:04.700 So, for a lot of people that have this as their authority, I say we have to start inviting that voice back in. 00:39:04.700 --> 00:39:05.980 Just listen in the moment. 00:39:05.980 --> 00:39:07.420 You don't even have to act on it. 00:39:07.420 --> 00:39:15.580 Like keep it on the notes app on your phone that I was thinking of Tori and I wanted to send this message that I and see how that starts to show up. 00:39:15.580 --> 00:39:17.900 And can we start trusting it more in the moment? 00:39:17.900 --> 00:39:20.140 Because it does not repeat itself. 00:39:20.140 --> 00:39:21.580 Again, it's our oldest. 00:39:21.580 --> 00:39:25.820 It's like if you were out in the woods, it's the sixth sense that would go, go left, not right. 00:39:25.820 --> 00:39:26.780 There's a bear there. 00:39:26.780 --> 00:39:28.940 Very much an old wilding energy. 00:39:28.940 --> 00:39:34.060 So if there's been pent-up fear, how do we start inviting that voice back in and actually listening in the moment? 00:39:34.060 --> 00:39:35.580 Yeah, yeah, great. 00:39:35.580 --> 00:39:40.140 And the next one is so tricksy, it has three names sometimes. 00:39:40.140 --> 00:39:44.220 It's our ego or our will or our heart, which I usually say. 00:39:44.220 --> 00:39:46.380 So one I was talking about before. 00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:48.380 Um, this one is more rare. 00:39:48.380 --> 00:39:54.140 And actually, for people having this colored in on their chart, only 30% of the population have this colored in. 00:39:54.140 --> 00:40:01.020 I think this is an important one for people to know, which means your willpower, if this is white on your chart, comes and goes. 00:40:01.020 --> 00:40:07.180 So for you as a generator, even if you're so excited about the thing, Natalie, like you could wake up and be like, not gonna do it today. 00:40:07.180 --> 00:40:08.780 Like the to-do list is there. 00:40:08.780 --> 00:40:14.940 Like the willpower is meant to be on and off, and you're meant to follow when your heart is truly in it and not push and prove. 00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:25.020 Uh, and that is the biggest thing for people that have this, they are so heart focused and it's so beautiful, and yet they also want a lot of things. 00:40:25.020 --> 00:40:39.020 So it's them really following the big desires and wants that they have in life and releasing ideas of selfishness so that they can receive, receive, and do these big things and share that willpower and that heart to the rest of us. 00:40:39.020 --> 00:40:39.980 Yeah. 00:40:39.980 --> 00:40:42.940 And the next one isn't really a chakra. 00:40:42.940 --> 00:40:47.900 Again, when people look at a chart and we talk about energy work and Reiki, there are seven chakras. 00:40:47.900 --> 00:40:53.340 the human design chart has nine, really, because it's a newer system, it's saying we've adapted, we've changed. 00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:56.540 So the heart and the will that I was just talking about is different. 00:40:56.540 --> 00:40:59.660 And then this one, which we actually call the identity center. 00:40:59.660 --> 00:41:07.100 So for people that have this, um, they have a very clear sense of who they are, where they're going, what they love. 00:41:07.100 --> 00:41:09.180 And that's really what they're meant to follow. 00:41:09.180 --> 00:41:15.580 Not to chameleon to what the other people say we should be doing, other direction we should be going. 00:41:15.580 --> 00:41:26.700 they have a very clear sense of that, and they're here to follow what they love and that sense of direction because they have a very clear sense of self-identity, I would say is how it's communicating to them. 00:41:26.700 --> 00:41:36.140 After that, we say um you have mental, which is our head space, which is where we get counterintuitive. 00:41:36.140 --> 00:41:57.420 These people actually aren't here to be speaking, I mean, here to be making decisions from the head, but they're here to be speaking and moving the energy out of the head from this beautiful big curiosity and sense of possibility they have, and asking new bigger questions and literally moving that energy through their throat, out of the head. 00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:59.660 So they come to these big aha's. 00:41:59.660 --> 00:42:01.420 It's a very unique one. 00:42:01.420 --> 00:42:04.140 Um, only projectors can have this, right? 00:42:04.140 --> 00:42:06.300 Being self-projected, we call it. 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:10.620 And it is these people who are just like inspiration powerhouses to me. 00:42:10.620 --> 00:42:18.860 And how do they move the energy out of that head down through the throat, speaking, sharing, and they're gonna come to these big bold ahas that they're meant to act on. 00:42:19.180 --> 00:42:20.220 That is so cool. 00:42:20.220 --> 00:42:22.860 Yeah, there are a lot of these I've never met. 00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:28.700 And because I have mostly focused on the things that affect me and my clients, it just hasn't come up before. 00:42:28.700 --> 00:42:31.100 So I've learned a lot from you talking through that. 00:42:31.100 --> 00:42:32.540 Thank you so much for sharing that. 00:42:32.540 --> 00:42:34.780 All right, I want to make sure we get a chance to talk to your book. 00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:37.180 I feel like we can have like a really long

conversation. 00:42:37.180 --> 00:42:43.420 We're gonna try to keep it brief-ish uh because you know, we're all busy, busy humans. 00:42:43.420 --> 00:42:48.140 Um, so talk a little bit about, I want to talk a little bit about your book. 00:42:48.140 --> 00:42:52.620 Um it's structured as a 12-week journey, which I love. 00:42:52.620 --> 00:42:57.260 And also, like for me, it was like, oh, this is kind of like the artist way. 00:42:57.260 --> 00:42:59.100 And also it's not like The artist's way. 00:42:59.100 --> 00:43:07.580 So I'm wondering if you can share with our audience, many of whom have probably flirted with The artist way, even if they haven't done it, what are the similarities? 00:43:07.580 --> 00:43:08.620 What are the differences? 00:43:08.620 --> 00:43:11.980 And and what inspired you to set up the book in that way? 00:43:12.460 --> 00:43:13.020 I don't know. 00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:17.980 I love The artist way, and as you know, I've led many groups over the years for The artist's way. 00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:28.380 And what I found was the metaphor I kind of used before, The artist way and the people I've guided through it who finish it, and groups are so helpful for that, everybody. 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:36.140 If you tried it on your own and then you beat yourself up, please don't, because I really think community and the medicine of community is so needed. 00:43:36.140 --> 00:43:44.780 But when we get to the end of it, it has done this radical and blocking, and I like that metaphor of it swings open a door to this wide open field of possibility. 00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:46.540 That's what it really did for me. 00:43:46.540 --> 00:43:51.740 But then you're standing in a wide open field and you kind of go, okay, what do I do now? 00:43:51.740 --> 00:43:58.940 Or like, how do I keep on my own path with this and find sustainability? 00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:02.780 I think is what I was missing in all of it, and a lot of these things. 00:44:02.780 --> 00:44:09.420 And it's interesting listening to the newer generations talk about trying The artist way in my groups. 00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:11.980 And I will say there is just a lot of missing nuance. 00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:19.180 Sure, the world is different now, but it it does also follow a 12 step program because that's what it was based on for Julia Cameron. 00:44:19.180 --> 00:44:23.740 the 12 step and it does start to get a little rigid and dogmatic. 00:44:23.740 --> 00:44:27.020 And I will say some of the things that I learned now when I was a projector, I was like. 00:44:27.020 --> 00:44:29.340 Well, that wasn't really gonna work for me. 00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:34.300 So I feel that the 12-week journey is so helpful. 00:44:34.300 --> 00:44:41.660 We've also seen scientifically now it takes eight to 12 weeks to really change your prefrontal cortex and the gray matter there. 00:44:41.660 --> 00:44:48.220 So I like to tell people there's a shift in consciousness after that time period that

just happens that you kind of can't go back. 00:44:48.220 --> 00:44:51.900 the triggers are gonna come up, we're gonna forget, you're not gonna lose all of this. 00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:54.700 It really gets embedded over that time period. 00:44:54.700 --> 00:44:59.820 But I think what was calling to me to write the book with all of this, first of all, I didn't know. 00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:00.780 I just started writing a book. 00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:04.940 But here's what it was intuitively after I started, and I went, oh, that's why. 00:45:04.940 --> 00:45:25.820 Um, these were the things that honestly, when I did Artist Way, I also felt a little missing to find that sustainability to flow my own way that felt a little more fluid, checking in with my own intuition day in, day out, and wanted to keep me on this path of expansion and possibility that I had found there, but I still felt kind of alone in that open field when I finished that process. 00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:27.500 So I needed some help. 00:45:27.820 --> 00:45:28.460 Yeah. 00:45:28.460 --> 00:45:29.180 Yeah. 00:45:29.180 --> 00:45:30.060 That's great. 00:45:30.060 --> 00:45:31.420 No, I I love that. 00:45:31.420 --> 00:45:35.900 And I I am not a the um and I'm not an artist by finisher. 00:45:35.900 --> 00:45:36.620 I'm a starter. 00:45:36.620 --> 00:45:38.620 I've done like some of the things. 00:45:38.620 --> 00:45:54.460 Um, and I think I like, I think it's it's interesting because um, and I talk about this a lot, but it's like I was brought up, I was an artist, but I lived in a very traditional household where it was like, it was like, you know, engineer and teacher, things were very done in a very, very linear way. 00:45:54.460 --> 00:45:59.980 And I was also, you know, people pleaser, part of, you know, the inheritic aspects of myself. 00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:10.060 And so a lot of times when I wanted to endeavor with my art, it felt like I could only do that if I pulled away from structure completely. 00:46:10.060 --> 00:46:10.700 Right. 00:46:10.700 --> 00:46:23.820 And so, like doing a program like The Artist Way, which was so rigid, actually felt counterintuitive to me in the beginning because like too much structure actually made me feel less creative or less motivated to do it, you know. 00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:27.900 Um, I've you know, I've been on a full circle journey and I love structure. 00:46:27.900 --> 00:46:29.340 Well, most of the time. 00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:34.700 But but but uh but yeah, it's interesting to hear your perspective on on going through it. 00:46:34.700 --> 00:46:38.300 And also, yeah, some things work for some people, but don't work for everyone. 00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:45.500 And just like having the lens of like, oh, I know why this didn't work for me now, having that lens, I think is really important for people. 00:46:45.500 --> 00:46:56.060 So let's tell people a little bit about what they can expect in The in the book and um what's the journey that

that you're that you're gonna take them on. 00:46:57.100 --> 00:47:07.180 So this journey is practical application of everything we've been talking about here today, but I want to just simplify it and demystify it as much as possible for people. 00:47:07.180 --> 00:47:09.180 It's not gonna be a deep dive. 00:47:09.180 --> 00:47:15.260 This will take you 30 minutes a day, but it is not a book to just read, it's really a journey to go on. 00:47:15.260 --> 00:47:22.860 And I like to call it a guidebook because you don't need another book of facts, facts, facts, another class. 00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:25.980 And yet I feel people may feel exhausted with that as well. 00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:30.860 But can we have an embodied experience and journey to return back to your own intuition? 00:47:30.860 --> 00:47:39.980 I like to say it is short and simple while also sharing stories of what's happened with my clients because that feels so affirming of what can shift. 00:47:39.980 --> 00:47:42.060 And then there are weekly writing prompts. 00:47:42.060 --> 00:47:49.900 So it's calling on people to do daily journaling, or especially for you manifestors and manifesting generators with their powerful throats. 00:47:49.900 --> 00:47:56.300 I tell them maybe it's not journaling and to go for a walk and talk and like move that energy out of their head and their throat each day. 00:47:56.300 --> 00:48:05.100 But it's a few minutes of journaling each day and just five minutes of energy Reiki work daily while following along with the book and seeing what can happen. 00:48:05.100 --> 00:48:07.260 As simple as that. 00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:11.580 You learn your human design, you learn how to do this simple process of Reiki. 00:48:11.580 --> 00:48:16.220 But again, it's not just learning all the facts and figures or any of these scientific things. 00:48:16.220 --> 00:48:19.900 It's going if you're ready to actually start walking this path. 00:48:20.060 --> 00:48:20.300 Yes. 00:48:20.620 --> 00:48:29.580 One trust at a time, this is the process going to help you unblock on that and feel encouraging and tell you how to just simply commit 30 minutes a day to trusting more. 00:48:30.060 --> 00:48:30.620 Yeah, yeah. 00:48:30.620 --> 00:48:32.060 Yeah, that's great. 00:48:32.060 --> 00:48:38.700 No, it's it's it's interesting too because I, you know, I I asked Barbara to share her arc with me before our conversation. 00:48:38.700 --> 00:48:50.060 And, you know, and I didn't quite know what I was getting into, but I was like, I feel like I want to have a little more perspective on, you know, what the book is about and and just on her philosophy, because it's been a while since we had connected. 00:48:50.060 --> 00:48:52.540 And and I was like, oh, uh, okay. 00:48:52.540 --> 00:49:02.700 And and I think I think there's like a simultaneously like it's a blessing and also sometimes a little overwhelming to when you're like, oh, I heard about this book, it's great. 00:49:02.700 --> 00:49:06.060 And then you pick it up and you're like, I can't just read it, you know. 00:49:06.060 --> 00:49:13.340 It's like a different, it's a different um, I hate to say the word commitment, but it but it's it is the accurate word. 00:49:13.340 --> 00:49:14.460 It is a different commitment. 00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:20.460 It's like, it's like I feel like you can pick up a regular book that has like a beginning, middle, and end. 00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:25.660 And you can even be like, I don't know if I'm gonna finish this book, that's okay. 00:49:25.660 --> 00:49:32.540 But when you pick up a book that's a journey and you're like, oh, I literally can't sit down and do this in a weekend, right? 00:49:32.540 --> 00:49:34.780 Then you're making a choice. 00:49:34.780 --> 00:49:36.700 You're making a choice to change. 00:49:36.700 --> 00:49:39.020 Um what do you think? 00:49:39.020 --> 00:49:42.780 I'm trying to figure out how to ask you this question. 00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:47.900 What are you hoping will lead people to embark on this journey? 00:49:47.900 --> 00:49:49.340 Will lead them to it? 00:49:49.340 --> 00:50:01.420 Yeah, like what what like like or maybe it was, you know, maybe I maybe it's helpful to just know your intent when you're creating the book and like who you are trying to reach or who you feel like can most benefit from this. 00:50:01.420 --> 00:50:02.220 Does that help? 00:50:02.220 --> 00:50:03.100 Does that help? 00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:09.900 People who are just curious and know there has to be more than whatever they're doing right now, like it can be easier. 00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:17.260 And part of them is probably gone, no, it can't, because we're showed to is shut down by these systems uh and the guilt and all of it. 00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:25.580 But honestly, I I think there's a simple quote by Elizabeth Gilbert who says, No one gets better till they get tired of their own shit. 00:50:25.580 --> 00:50:26.860 If I can persevere. 00:50:26.860 --> 00:50:27.260 Yeah. 00:50:27.260 --> 00:50:31.980 And I want to, I want to talk to the people who are like, I'm so tired of this same shit. 00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:48.860 I'm ready to get off the hamster wheel, which is what I felt, and just get curious again instead of saying it staying in this conforming, limiting, suffocating is really how I felt thing with what I had taken in and chosen to believe, but I knew there was something else. 00:50:48.860 --> 00:50:51.740 I just knew it and I didn't know how to get there. 00:50:51.740 --> 00:50:59.260 So I hope the people that come are feeling that and are just ready to get curious gently, yeah, lovingly with themselves again. 00:50:59.580 --> 00:51:01.100 Yeah, and I think this is very different. 00:51:01.100 --> 00:51:14.940 I mean, I think a lot of people would probably categorize your book as a self-help book, but I think there's a really big difference because I think there are self-help books out there that are promising quote

unquote results, is the best way I can say it. 00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:26.380 Um, and I and I I I sense because I do these kind of this kind of work on my own, you don't really know when you're embarking on a journey like this what you're gonna get on the other side. 00:51:26.380 --> 00:51:35.020 You do what you do know is that you're going to get to know yourself better and that something is going to emerge. 00:51:35.020 --> 00:51:40.220 But what is going to emerge is is going to be unique and different. 00:51:40.220 --> 00:51:42.460 And um, and that's the excitement. 00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:45.100 So this is where the curiosity comes in, right? 00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:45.820 Yes. 00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:48.060 And following that, this is very important. 00:51:48.060 --> 00:51:51.580 Again, the main thing we're talking about connecting people to is their intuition. 00:51:51.580 --> 00:51:51.820 Yeah. 00:51:51.820 --> 00:51:56.780 This is called Can It Be That Easy, a practical guidebook to rewild your intuition. 00:51:56.780 --> 00:52:00.460 Your intuition cannot give you the five-year plan. 00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:02.140 I really wish it would. 00:52:02.140 --> 00:52:05.820 I still do sometimes, but it can only give you the one next breadcrumb on the pack. 00:52:05.820 --> 00:52:06.140 Yes. 00:52:06.140 --> 00:52:15.340 So what you described is I'm curious, I'm ready to trust, which means one trust at a time, one and two breadcrumb at a time, and let myself be surprised. 00:52:15.340 --> 00:52:22.140 And really, I want it to feel like a delightful light journey for people, even though it is radically unblocking. 00:52:22.140 --> 00:52:24.620 And it should feel like a sense of adventure. 00:52:24.620 --> 00:52:26.220 And that's really what I started with. 00:52:26.220 --> 00:52:26.540 Yeah. 00:52:26.540 --> 00:52:27.020 Yeah. 00:52:27.180 --> 00:52:27.420 Yeah. 00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:27.980 So cool. 00:52:27.980 --> 00:52:37.660 I yeah, it's just so funny because we, you know, we we we live in this coaching space, and there's always like, well, you have got to write a sales page and you got to tell people what they take away. 00:52:37.660 --> 00:52:44.460 And how do you say, you know, what you take away is unique to each individual and it's gonna be exactly what you need. 00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:46.060 I just don't know what that is. 00:52:46.060 --> 00:52:47.180 I know. 00:52:47.180 --> 00:52:49.740 Well, the simplest thing I would say is my sales pitches. 00:52:50.060 --> 00:53:01.820 So, you know, I think we also all look are exhausted by these voices and these systems and that sales and the algorithm and all of it, Natalie, that I don't want you to listen to me. 00:53:01.820 --> 00:53:04.300 I want you to listen to yourself. 00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:04.620 Right. 00:53:04.620 --> 00:53:06.460 And that's the whole point of the book. 00:53:06.460 --> 00:53:10.140 So I hope I'm just like a Jiminy Cricket there, encouraging you. 00:53:10.140 --> 00:53:12.540 But it's about returning to listening to yourself. 00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:13.340 Yeah, yeah. 00:53:13.340 --> 00:53:23.740 And if you've never explored Reiki before, which I can now say correctly, apparently, um, if you've never explored Reiki before or you've never explored human design, this is a new portal, right? 00:53:23.740 --> 00:53:32.060 Because when we add new tools to the toolbox, you will experience a transformation because it's just because the tools are different, you're showing up in a different way. 00:53:32.060 --> 00:53:33.740 So you're gonna see new things. 00:53:34.220 --> 00:53:34.700 Yeah. 00:53:34.700 --> 00:53:38.380 And again, really wanted to simplify a little bit for people. 00:53:38.380 --> 00:53:42.380 So many of these things we you think you have to go to a Reiki master like myself. 00:53:42.380 --> 00:53:44.060 This is for everyone. 00:53:44.060 --> 00:53:46.140 So, how do we simplify and demystify it? 00:53:46.140 --> 00:53:49.340 And again, just start experimenting and be on the adventure with it. 00:53:49.580 --> 00:53:49.980 Yeah. 00:53:50.220 --> 00:53:50.620 Yeah. 00:53:51.260 --> 00:53:51.580 All right. 00:53:51.580 --> 00:54:01.820 So I know you have also have a free ebook to help people get started so they don't necessarily have to like get the full book to get started on their journey. 00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:04.380 Um, can you tell us a little bit about the ebook? 00:54:05.020 --> 00:54:09.100 Yeah, that's simply called Reignite Your Intuition with Human Design. 00:54:09.100 --> 00:54:16.300 And it's going to dive into those simple first three things that I talked about: your energy type, your strategy, and your authority. 00:54:16.300 --> 00:54:19.020 Um, these again are the top three things. 00:54:19.020 --> 00:54:34.940 If you engage with nothing else in your human design but experimenting with feeling and trusting these three things, the rest of you, we your human design chart that we say, which is your gifts and all these things, your channels we could get into, it's really supposed to light you up of its own accord. 00:54:34.940 --> 00:54:43.180 Again, can it be that human design is going if I reconnect to my own energy and my intuition, I will feel lit up in my gifts. 00:54:43.180 --> 00:54:46.140 I will feel magnetic, the right people and things will come. 00:54:46.140 --> 00:54:47.500 That's really the trust. 00:54:47.500 --> 00:54:50.940 So it's a simple e-book that's already just giving people those three things. 00:54:51.180 --> 00:54:51.580 Awesome. 00:54:51.580 --> 00:54:52.060 Great. 00:54:52.060 --> 00:54:57.180 We'll put we'll definitely put the link to that in the show notes so you can grab that. 00:54:57.180 --> 00:55:02.060 Um, and then I want to ask you um a few questions that I ask all of my guests. 00:55:02.060 --> 00:55:05.340 Uh so what does embodiment mean to you? 00:55:05.660 --> 00:55:08.380 Embodiment means listening to and loving my body. 00:55:08.380 -->

00:55:10.380 I really like the quote. 00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:26.380 You don't um have a soul, you are a soul, you have a body that really let me reconnect to my soul, my intuition we're talking about, but be so aware of my body, observing my body, feeling my body, loving and listening to my body in a different way. 00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:28.460 That's lovely. 00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:34.140 So, what's one daily practice that is currently supporting you at this season in your life? 00:55:35.100 --> 00:55:36.060 Stretching? 00:55:37.660 --> 00:55:39.340 Look, there's nothing else to fall. 00:55:39.340 --> 00:55:43.740 I I am of blank age, and in my things are shifting. 00:55:43.740 --> 00:55:55.180 And I was like, just stretching, if that's all I have time for with my toddler, feels so good and such a an embodied self-love practice, putting on gentle music and stretching sometimes, is it? 00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:56.380 That's great. 00:55:56.380 --> 00:55:59.820 All right, what's one thing that's inspiring you right now? 00:56:00.620 --> 00:56:02.460 Oh, Widow's Bay. 00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:07.740 I'm pretty much obsessed with the show, Widow's Bay. 00:56:07.740 --> 00:56:09.580 Uh, I've already re-watched it once. 00:56:09.580 --> 00:56:10.620 I think it's so unique. 00:56:10.620 --> 00:56:13.980 I still get so lit up about film and televisions. 00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:25.100 And yes, I'm reading all these things, but the art form that's exciting me right now, I think it's such a genius, unique show, and more female showrunners, more female led everything. 00:56:25.100 --> 00:56:28.620 Um, yeah, it's really inspiring me, and I'm glad they're getting recognized. 00:56:28.940 --> 00:56:29.340 Awesome. 00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:29.980 That's so cool. 00:56:29.980 --> 00:56:35.340 I haven't watched it yet because I'm a little bit gun shy on anything that's like somewhat horror adjacent. 00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:37.420 I'm a real scaredy cat, I will say. 00:56:37.420 --> 00:56:38.220 Okay, all right. 00:56:38.220 --> 00:56:40.460 If you can do it, maybe I can do it too. 00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:44.780 Episode two, um, just fast forward through the crawl space scene. 00:56:44.780 --> 00:56:45.260 That's all. 00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:45.820 Okay. 00:56:45.820 --> 00:56:46.540 All right. 00:56:46.540 --> 00:56:47.340 Fair enough. 00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:50.460 We'll see if I get there, or maybe I can find someone to watch it with me. 00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:57.020 When I was married, my my ex like had to be the standby, and I'd like really like practically rip his arm off. 00:56:57.020 --> 00:56:59.020 I don't have anybody right now to do that with. 00:56:59.020 --> 00:57:05.660 So um, I don't know, if some random guy who wants to date me is listening to this, if your arm is strong, that would be an asset. 00:57:05.980 --> 00:57:08.060 Come watch Widow's Bay with Natalie. 00:57:09.020 --> 00:57:09.580 All right. 00:57:09.580 --> 00:57:11.180 This is so lovely. 00:57:11.180 --> 00:57:13.500 I loved having this chat with you. 00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:18.940 Um, we'll definitely make sure all our listeners know how they can find you and how they can find your new book. 00:57:18.940 --> 00:57:22.460 Uh, any final thoughts that you'd like to share before we wrap up today? 00:57:22.780 --> 00:57:26.860 Yes, thanks for having me, and everyone keep trusting your wild intuition. 00:57:27.100 --> 00:57:28.780 Yes, amen to that. 00:57:28.780 --> 00:57:35.420 Thank you so much for joining us for today's episode of The Embodied Way Podcast. 00:57:35.420 --> 00:57:42.140 Be sure to join me next week for a solo episode about my own creative process, writing and producing The spark. 00:57:42.140 --> 00:57:49.340 I also dive into the relationship between our sacral chakra of emotions, pleasure, and sexual energy. 00:57:49.340 --> 00:57:53.900 Hit subscribe to be the first to know when new episodes drop each week. 00:57:53.900 --> 00:57:58.220 Until next Friday, have a restful weekend.