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Heidi Campo: Welcome back to another episode of space
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nuts.
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Generic: 15 seconds. Guidance is internal.
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10, 9. Ignition
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sequence start. Space nuts. 5, 4, 3,
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2. 1. 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 4,
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3, 2, 1. Space nuts. Astronauts
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report. It feels good.
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Heidi Campo: This will be a Q A episode where you, the
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listeners, have written in your questions and
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we will answer them for you.
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I am your host, Heidi Campo, joining you
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for possibly my last episode.
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We don't know quite yet. Andrew might be back
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next week, but if he's not, then
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I'll be back and I will say goodbye again.
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But until then, we still have, um, for now
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and the foreseeable future, we have our
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beloved professor Fred Watson, astronomer at
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large. How are you doing, Fred?
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Professor Fred Watson: Yeah, good to see you again, Heidi, as
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always. And, um, yes, this could be the
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longest goodbye ever. Couldn't it really? It
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could go on for weeks.
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Heidi Campo: It's like when you, uh, are parting ways with
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someone, you say goodbye and then you realize
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you're walking the same direction.
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Professor Fred Watson: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I know. Yeah. I do that
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all the time.
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Heidi Campo: And then I never quite know. It's like, well,
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do I keep talking to them? Do I say goodbye
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again? Do I pretend they're not there?
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I usually end up commentating and narrating
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the whole thing to make it more awkward.
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Um, well, anyways, let's just jump into
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our questions because you guys have some
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really fantastic questions, as always, which
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we appreciate. Our first question of the
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evening is a written question from John
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Kerr. And John says,
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hey, space nutters. This dilemma is driving
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me nuts.
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If the moon's gravitational
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pull has such an effect on our Ocean's
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tides, for example, a, uh, 30 centimeter
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rise in tidal waters twice a day, that's a
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lift of 300 kg worth of water per
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meter square. Why doesn't the moon's gravity
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affect us as drastically as the
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oceans? I will sleep better once resolved
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with. Thanks.
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Oh, so I have so much. I have so much. I feel
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like I could say about this one too. But
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please get Fred.
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Professor Fred Watson: You might give a better answer than me,
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Heidi. Um,
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so it. Yes, well, it does. The
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moon's gravity does affect us as drastically
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as the oceans because we go up and down with
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the oceans. Uh, in fact, the land itself
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goes up and down slightly. If I remember.
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It's about a foot or something. Oceans
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sometimes go, uh, much, much more
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than that. Um, that 30 centimeter that
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John mentions. Uh, you know, sometimes it's
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many, many meters. So what's, um,
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happening here? It's. The critical
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feature of tides is that they
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are caused because of the
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difference in the gravitational pull
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of a body like the moon. And let's just think
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about the moon and the Earth. Uh,
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it's a difference between the moon's pull on
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one side of the earth and the other side
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of the Earth. So tides are all about
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the difference in the gravitational pull of
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an object, uh, across the diameter of
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another object, a big object, and that's the
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Earth. And so, um, the reason why our
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bodies don't stretch and shrink is that we're
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only, you know, we're only a couple of meters
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tall. Uh, actually my son's a two meters
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tall, but that's quite tall. All right, one
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and a half meters tall. But we're certainly
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not, uh, tens of thousands of kilometers,
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uh, which is what you need for the
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gravitational effect to be noticeable,
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um, as it is with the ocean tides. So
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we don't get stretched and um,
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shrunk. We would if we were near a black
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hole. That's the principle of
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spaghettification. It's when your feet feel a
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higher gravitational pull than your head head
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and you get turned into spaghetti. Uh, that's
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a uh, tidal effect, uh, an extreme
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tidal effect. But um, you need
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something very peculiar like a black hole to
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notice that. So for, ah, an
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object like the moon, we simply just go up
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and down with the oceans. If we're on the
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ocean, we go up and down with the land if
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we're on the land. But we don't get stretched
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and shrunk because we're too small.
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I hope he's Jonas. I hope you sleep better
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after that.
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Heidi Campo: Well, maybe I'll scare him because I was
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gonna say, but it does affect us
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a little bit. Not like the oceans at all.
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But the human body is roughly
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60% water and every cell in our body is
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roughly 70 to 80% water. Now
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what I'm about to say next is not something
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I'm looking at a science review for. It's
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more anecdotal. But, um,
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nurses will all stay like often
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say that there is way more um,
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emergency room activity on a full moon.
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Police officers will say that people are
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crazier on a full moon. And there's a lot
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of lore around women's cycles
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aligning, ah, with moon cycles. Um,
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more women go into labor and give birth
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around the moon cycles. And
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historically there is a lot of
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um, I guess stories
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about personality around moons. You
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think of werewolf stories. So humans do. We
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are affected by the moon to some degree. And
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that would be an interesting, probably
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further research. And I'm sure there's whole
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departments dedicated to the
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psychobiological effects of humans and the
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moon. But it is interesting. So no we're not
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affected like the oceans but there is
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some, something to that.
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Professor Fred Watson: Absolutely. Yeah. And you, you, you're quite
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right. You know this natural cycles that
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align with um, with the moon and,
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and it's not just humans as well with things
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like coral spawning that's um, very much tied
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to lunar phases. Uh and some of that's
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not very well understood. Uh, but uh, I think
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the thrust of, of John's question is
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why, why aren't we being stretched and shrunk
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like the oceans are? Uh, perhaps I've got it
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wrong. But anyway that's the answer. Um, and
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I agree.
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Ben: Space nuts.
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Heidi Campo: Our next question is an audio
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question from Ben. Uh, with our
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audio questions. We like to cue those up so
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you the listeners can hear their question as
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well. I'm just going to give Fred a second to
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get his question ready as well and we are
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going to play Ben's question for you now.
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Ben: Hey guys, uh, it is Ben.
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Um, American, living in Mexico.
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Um, thanks for answering my last question
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about how observatories interrupt
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their observing schedules to deal with
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transient events. And I've just got a follow
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up question. Are there any,
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any um, scheduled observing
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things that uh, might be immune to these
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sorts of interruptions? Um,
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I know sometimes uh, there are time sensitive
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observations of uh, like
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transits or something um, that
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astronomers use to determine shapes of ah,
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objects and stuff like that that uh, need to
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occur at a specific time. So I was thinking
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maybe those are something that wouldn't be
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interrupted. Um, but yeah, that's
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my question. Thanks, loving the show.
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Voice Over Guy: Bye.
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Professor Fred Watson: That's a great question from Ben. Uh, and
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Ben's absolutely right and he's actually
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um, highlighted at least one of the uh,
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the reasons why you wouldn't interrupt
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observ. So um, his original question
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was about what we might call target
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of opportunity observations where uh,
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an observer on the telescope would
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stand aside if there was something
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like a supernova explosion, uh, that
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needed the same instrument uh to
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observe it to give us something that was only
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going to last for a very short time. And that
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happens a lot. Um, the, the,
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perhaps the best known of those was back
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in 1987 which I remember very well when
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that was the last time a naked eye
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supernova uh, went off in our skies
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down here in the southern hemisphere. It was
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in the Large Magellanic Cloud, our nearest
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uh, dwarf large dwarf galaxy.
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Uh, it was visible to the unaided eye first
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for 400 years. Uh and of course
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the Telescope, our telescope was only 10
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years old then. It was state of the art and
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pretty well everything was pushed off for
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observations of this, of this object.
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Um, but um, it
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is usually um, you
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know, it's not usually uh,
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an event, uh, where there will
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be a conflict between the scheduled
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observer and the person who was
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requiring the target of opportunity
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observations. It's uh, usually the
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scheduled observer would have uh, uh,
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had an understanding at the outset that
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uh, they might need to stand by and um,
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let somebody else take over the telescope for
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the purpose of whatever their observations
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are. However, uh, Ben's
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absolutely right. There are some observations
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which are scheduled which themselves are time
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critical. And so you would rule
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out the telescope being taken over
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uh, for those events. Uh, one I was
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involved with, um, because I was astronomer
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in charge of the telescope at the time. And
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this is probably 10 years ago there was an
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occultation of Pluto.
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Um, so what that means is
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uh, actually it was an occultation of a star
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by Pluto. What that means is Pluto passed in
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front of a distant star, uh, and
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we could observe the brightness of the star.
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And what we wanted to do was
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look uh, at the way the star's
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light um, diminished uh, as
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it passed through Pluto's atmosphere. This
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actually it was before um, New Horizons
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flew by Pluto in 2015.
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So we didn't really know much about Pluto's
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atmosphere. It's very thin, very tenuous. But
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the observations that were made actually
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allowed us to um, you know, form
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details of it. In particular that it's quite
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layered. It's not a smooth, smoothly changing
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distribution. So that was very much a time
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critical observation. And you would not get
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uh, even if there'd been a bright supernova
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uh, in the sky that night, it probably would
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not have taken over the telescope. I think it
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would have, uh, the occultation
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by uh, Pluto would have been, would have been
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the thing. And as uh, exactly as Ben says,
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occultations are when an object passes in
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front of a star usually or another object.
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Uh, but it's a way of allowing us to work out
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the shapes of asteroids and things of that
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sort if they pass in front of a star. So
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that's really quite, quite important
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observations and very much time critical in
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themselves. So you wouldn't want them to be
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taken over by others. But it's a great
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question.
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Heidi Campo: It was a really interesting one. Yeah, it
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kind of gives us the inner workings of
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David says hello Heidi and Fred. My
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we keep seeing them annually. If meteor
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sun, what prevents the Earth from clearing
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debris until the next comet pass, uh, uh,
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next comet comes past. Cheers
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Dave. And then we have
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meteor showers? We orbit the sun, but
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debris which we bisect on the same
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debris diminishing the meteors every year
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from the dark state, uh, from the dark
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stars. North Yorkshire Moons
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National Park.
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the North Yorkshire Moors Dark Sky
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here in New South Wales. So a question from
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the UK and a question from Australia, both
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effectively asking the same thing which I
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thought was uh, worth while bringing
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end of um, uh, passes close to
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dust exactly in its orbit and
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worth of it, because that's the Earth's
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diameter. Um, and the dust stream might
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it's constantly being replenish. That's the
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answer to both those gentlemen's questions.
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Voice Over Guy: Oh.
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Heidi Campo: Ah, that is fantastic, Fred.
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Andrew. He's been on a cruise around the
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and he's back now, but he
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has quite the conundrum. Uh,
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getting settled back in. We'll let him tell
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you all that story and him and Fred get
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caught up when. When he is back. But he's had
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Voice Over Guy: Hello, Heidi, and, um, Fred. My name is Noah
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from Manchester, England. I'm asking
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question about the Goldilocks Zone. The
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Goldilocks Zone is only habitable for
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life on, uh, Earth. For estrus rescues,
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however, they might need to exist at the very
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edge of the solar system or at the very
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center of it. Is the Goldilocks Zone nearly
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compatible for all life in the universe? Love
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the podcast. Hope you keep making more.
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Professor Fred Watson: Lovely question from Lou. Um, Manchester,
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again, a place I know well. I grew up not
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very far from Manchester in the north of
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England. So this has been a bit of, a, bit of
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a nostalgia segment for me. Um, but the
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great question, uh, you know, is the, is
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the Goldilocks Zone applicable to all
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extraterrestrial life? And I think the answer
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is no. Uh, because
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we, when we talk about the Goldilocks Zone,
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it's that region surrounding a star where
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the temperature is not too hot and it's not
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too cold, but it's just right for, for life
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to exist. It's why it's called the Goldilocks
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Zone. I've got a feeling it was a colleague
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of mine who coined that expression as well. A
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long, long, um, uh,
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it relies on the fact
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that we are, ah, beings. In
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fact, all life on Earth is
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uh, based uh, on water. We use water
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as our working fluid. Uh,
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as you mentioned, um, in our question on
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tides, Heidi, most of our bodies are made of
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water. Uh, and the same is
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true of most living organisms. Uh, water
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is a large part of it. And so
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liquid, uh, water is for us,
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uh, the,
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perhaps the strongest feature that
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um, might be used
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as an indicator of where life might form. If
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you've got water, maybe you will have life.
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water. Um, so the
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Goldilocks Zone is where you could put a
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planet and it would be capable of having
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liquid water on its surface. Not frozen, not
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vapor, but liquid, which is what we need.
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to um, life forms that are like
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ourselves, that are based on water and.
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else in the universe, it will be based on
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water. But there are other possibilities as
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well. And people have wondered whether
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perhaps the season lakes of Titan,
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one of Saturn's moons, uh, whether. Which
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are made of liquid ethane and methane,
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whether they might have, uh, living
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creatures in them that rely on those
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supercooled liquids as their working fluid.
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that. But it is possible. And so if that was
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different type of Goldilocks Zone. If
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liquid natural gas was what you needed,
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uh, for these creatures, uh, then your
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from the one that we have. It will be much
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further from your parent star. Uh, so
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to all species because
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why we look there.
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think it's on Netflix or Amazon, called
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Alien Worlds, where they. They break
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down scientifically the conditions that would
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different planets. Then they hypothetically
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come up with a planet that's a
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certain way. Have you seen it?
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Professor Fred Watson: M. I haven't, but it sounds like one that I
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Heidi Campo: It's very interesting. And that might be one
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that Lou's interested in, because they come
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up with four hypothetical planets. One of
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them's a jungle, one of them's a desert. One
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of them is, um, the
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atmosphere is so dense that it's
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almost like water. So there's all these
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animals that look marine like, but they are
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like birds. And it's very cool just to play
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around because they use real physics and then
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talk about the hypothetics. It's kind of fun.
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because it's kind of a. It's a fun surprise.
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interesting hypothetical planet. Um, but I do
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recommend that show.
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Professor Fred Watson: Sounds great. I'll check it out. Sounds,
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Heidi.
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Heidi Campo: Yeah, it's a good one.
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and A episode. So I just want to say, if this
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is my last episode, that it has been an
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absolute pleasure and delight being on here.
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Thank you all for your wonderful and kind
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questions. Fred, thank you for having me. If
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y' all want to stay in touch, you can follow
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me on LinkedIn. My. It's just my name, Heidi
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Campo, which is C, A, M, M, P, O.
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S, C S, which is one of my certifications.
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it phonetically. Comet son. Comet son. So,
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Heidi Campos, C.S.C.S. if you want to follow
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me on LinkedIn, I'm also on Instagram, but
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it's mostly just pictures of my dog and me
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talking about fitness stuff, which may not be
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everybody's cup of tea. Um, Fred,
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it's been a delight. Thank you.
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Professor Fred Watson: Oh, it's been a delight for me too, Heidi.
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And, um, I hope we do this again sometime.
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It might be next week, but. It might be next
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week.
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Heidi Campo: It might be next week. Yeah, we'll be in
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touch. And I'm. I'm always here if you need
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me. Um, till then,
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