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extraordinary sprays and come only one week after another hostile phone call between Trump and nan Yahoo. Here's Miranda Devine asking Trump about that. In an interview we showed you last week on the program. 00:07:38 Speaker 6: Axios reported that you had a phone call with bib Netanya, who the Prime Minister of Israel, in which you were angry with him. 00:07:45 Speaker 7: You said, are you efing crazy? What are you effing doing? I helped you stay out of jail. Is that true? Did you speak to him in those trades? I wish angry. 00:07:56 Speaker 8: I was a little bit perturbed at his. 00:08:01 Speaker 7: Constantly fighting with Lebanon. 00:08:05 Speaker 2: And frankly, it was hypocritical for Trump to blame Israel for responding to attacks when the US retaliated only a couple of days later to Iran down in one of its helicopters in the Gulf with its own series of strikes. But back to the two Today's deal and why there is still a lot of skepticism about it. The Australian's Chris Mitchell rits Trump may have succumbed to media and economic pressure and in doing so sacrificed what could have been a great military victory. He says, having taken out the top forty Iranian leaders in the first strike on February twenty eighth, Trump might have been better advised to allow his Operation Epic Fury and Israel's Operation Roaring Lion to continue until Teyran's surrender. Instead, Trump feared rising oil price and a skiddish share market in the run up to the US midterm elections. A military victory would have silenced our own government, the UK and the EU. It would have ended the carping of the left wing US media, which would prefer a Trump humiliation to the defeat of the world's number one sponsor of terrorism. There is an understandable disappointment to from long suffering Iranians that this war did not lead to the collapse of the regime, which has seen tens of thousands of its own people murdered. Here was sociologist Samaya Khani talking to Andrew Bolt a short time ago. 00:09:44 Speaker 9: People of Iran were not considered in those talks and negotiations. Forty thousand people didn't die for a better deal or a different deal to the deal that Obama had. 00:09:57 Speaker 2: And there are legitimate fears this regime is incapable of being trusted at all. In his first time as president, Trump withdrew from Barack Obama's disastrous twenty to fifteen deal, which lifted sanctions on Tehran in exchange for limits on its nuclear program. Of course, Iran responded by ramping up its Uranian enrichment. So, having made the mistake of trusting them before, is it really wise for the US to bank on these lying moullas again? Liberal frontbencher Jonathan Duniam has announced over the weekend he is quitting politics at the end of the year, citing family and exhaustion after the party's net Zero fight, the Bonni response, and February's leadership change. He is the second Tasmanian Liberal senator to announce an exit in days as one nation threatens to eat further into the Coalition vote and frankly it's a huge loss. He's been a strong Opposition spokesman and Home Affairs at a time the portfolio has never been more important. Joining me now to discuss as Liberal Senator for South Australia, Leah blythe Senator, great to see you. As a parent of young kids myself, I can understand the personal side of John o'don M's decision, but is yet another resignation a warning sign about where the Liberal Party is heading? I don't think so at all. 00:11:36 Speaker 5: I respect the decision that Johno has made. Usually, you know, in these types of roles, especially with young children, and I've got three children myself, families pay a huge price for us to do the job that we do, and JOHNO has made a distinguished and incredible contribution to the Australian Parliament over a decade. 00:11:56 Speaker 2: So I respect the decision he's made. 00:11:59 Speaker 5: It is going to be a huge, huge loss for the coalition team. He is a massive contributor in two really important portfolios. But I respect the decision that he's made. 00:12:10 Speaker 2: We talked we're going to talk about this in more detail later in the show, but Pauline Hanson has overtaken Anthony Albanizi as preferred prime minister in the latest Resolve poll, with One Nation now leading the primary vote on twenty nine percent. Meanwhile, the Coalition's primary has fallen into just twenty percent. And so while it isn't looking great for Labor, it's looking even worse in some respects for the Coalition. Angus Taylor's leadership was supposed to be a boost for the party and I get the new leaders deserve a grace period, Senator, but it is not looking good for the Coalition at the moment. What do you think needs to happen now? 00:12:54 Speaker 5: Look, I think that poll is it doesn't look great for the Coalition. I don't think anyone's pretending that it does. But what it does do is it is sending a very strong message that Australians are fed up with both major parties and they're fed up with the status quo. And I can certainly appreciate the anger and frustration that they have. 00:13:14 Speaker 2: They want to see change. 00:13:15 Speaker 5: We've got one of the worst labor governments we've ever had in this country, and you know, people are working harder, they're keeping less of. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: What they earn. 00:13:23 Speaker 5: It's difficult to keep your business open, you struggle to raise a family. So there is a lot of frustration out there. There is huge opportunity though, And I look at those polls, and I look at the thirty plus twenty for the center right of politics and think fifty percent of Australians are wanting that change. And it's fair to say that despite what the ABC constantly tells us, Australians are not moving to the left. They are very much wanting a center right government and leadership here in Australia. 00:13:53 Speaker 2: So how do you prevent that vote on the right and the center right from being split because of one nation? Do

you think that preference deals with one nation like some of your colleagues have supported. Do you think that's the way to go, or would you even back forming a coalition with one nation. 00:14:13 Speaker 5: I think we're very very early in the election cycle to be talking about things like preference steals, and certainly what I would say to Australians out there is Australians they get to choose how they vote and where their preferences go. That's the preferential system we have here. So we're really talking about how to vote cards that people will use at an election, and we're a long way from an election, so I think those discussions should be had. What I would say is is we've got to work with anyone on the center right. I am solely focused on making sure that we get rid of this disastrous Labor government. That's what my sole focus is. I want the Liberal National Coalition to win as many seats as possible at the next election, but we've got to be pragmatic about what kind of seats we can win and where we can be working together to make sure that we can get rid of this Labor government. That's got to be our focus. But first and foremost, I think the coalition has to put forward to the Australian people a credible alternative. We've got to win back voters trust and we've got to show them that we are listening to them. And I think that's a vital step that we've still got to take. 00:15:21 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Labour's Capacity Investment Scheme. Now, this was the plan that was meant to supercharge renewables, but after three years it has delivered wait for it, one operational project. A single Victorian soul of farm. Senator, what do you think it says that Chris Bowen is overseas talking up global electrification while at home his signature scheme is obviously struggling. 00:15:51 Speaker 5: I think it's fair to say that Labor's you know, fantasy transition and net zero targets and renewables are just a big lie. I think it's fair to say that the globe is burning more fossil fuels than we've ever burnt before, and by impoverishing the Australian people and meaning that we have unreliable electricity grids now that we're paying, particularly in South Australia, some of the highest prices for electricity in the country. That Labour's and net zero fantasy is a complete and utter failure, and pouring more and more taxpayer dollars into renewable fantasy land is only making Australians poorer and it is not helping our economy, it's not helping us get an industrial base, and it is certainly not making Australians richer. We're a resource rich nation. We should be using the natural resources that we've got. 00:16:46 Speaker 2: Senator Leah Blithe, thank you for your time tonight. Let's go to our panel now former Labor MP Michael Danby and Sky News host Steve Price. Michael, I want to get your response first to this key steal that the US has struck with a run and what I said in my editorial, I have a lot of skepticism about it. But what do you make about the deal? Well, I'll go to you, Pricey, because I think we've lost Michael Dammy's connection. We'll try to get him back. But Pricey, do you think that this is a good deal? What's your view on it? 00:17:22 Speaker 10: Well, we've been here before. We've seen this circus played out week after week after week. I mean, obviously with the with the promise of a deal, the oil price has dropped, and so we are going to see some relief in that in that space. It does not, as you've pointed out, Caroline tonight, seem to have the great endorsement of Israel and Benjaminittnyahu, and so Donald Trump is going solo here. He talks it up and you know, we're going to have to wait and see the world would like it to work. Will it work? We don't yet know. Do we hope it does? Yes, we do. Is it tough enough in what it does in removing the nuclear threat from Iran doesn't mean the regime is going to be overthrown and there's going to be some new government in charge in Iran. Probably not. So we're just going to have to wait and see. I hope it happens, and for the sake of the rest of the world in the economy, lets hope it's successful. 00:18:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, let's hope so because we need peace in that region and we need Iran not to have a nuclear weapon. Michael danbu we've got you back, I believe. What are your thoughts on this deal? Do you. 00:18:34 Speaker 11: Do? 00:18:34 Speaker 2: You have as much opticism about it? Maybe as price he does. 00:18:39 Speaker 12: Look, General Keane says that they've entombed the nuclear dust in is Chafar, and they've got rid of a large number of their ballistic missiles. 00:18:48 Speaker 1: That's the upside. 00:18:50 Speaker 12: But Iran and the Gulf Arabs seem to have opened up a fissure between the United States and Israel. It is not good when the north of Israel is depopulated because of these new first person drones that the Iranians and Chinese gave has Bla. There are eighty thousand people who are not in their homes, all schools are closed, and Donald Trumpkin has had now two screaming fights with NTANO in the last four days. But all of the Israeli opposition of joined Nettaneo and saying we can't abandon our own people just for the sake of the convenience of the Americans. 00:19:27 Speaker 1: I can't understand it, Caroline. 00:19:30 Speaker 12: The oil was going through the Oman side of the Gulf under American protection, and the price of Brent crude was ninety six dollars. The price of petrol was going down in the United States. It seems to be there's some good aspects of what Israel and America did together, but on balance a bad deal. 00:19:54 Speaker 1: And I think you can rely on one thing, Caroline. 00:19:57 Speaker 12: The Iranians are such a bunch of loonies that they'll bring the sun done by attacking someone or doing something. 00:20:04 Speaker 1: You can never trust them. 00:20:05 Speaker 12: Only victory over them will actually bring about a piece in that part. 00:20:09 Speaker 1: Of the

world. 00:20:10 Speaker 2: Look, I think you could be right, Michael, And a few days until Friday, Well, that is a long time when it comes to the Middle East, so much can happen. But we'll see. I spoke a little bit earlier and the show with Senator leap Lithe about the latest polling showing yet another incredible result for one Nation and pulling Hanson now the favorite to be prime minister. But let's get the latest on where the fire the lyre donations are up to for the party. This is incredible that the last time I checked it was up to more than four million dollars. Maybe we can get that latest figure on screen. They're hoping to reach a goal of something like four point three million, and I believe four point two million, and they are inching ever closer to it. But they've put some of that money towards a new ad campaign that is going to be run during the State of Origin on Wednesday night. Let's take a look at what that's about. 00:21:15 Speaker 8: Always been a man of my word, or we have no plans to change negative gearing, or we've changed our position. 00:21:21 Speaker 4: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off the stage. 00:21:24 Speaker 10: See reception was incredibly positive and not a single person heckled producing. 00:21:30 Speaker 4: Power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars. 00:21:33 Speaker 2: That's a fool out life. 00:21:34 Speaker 5: My word is my bond. 00:21:42 Speaker 2: Price. I think One Asian has been very clever first and adopting that fire the liars slogan so quickly. I think Kredlin was the one who first coined it here on Sky News. And now to come up with this ad to run on one of the biggest nights of television of the year, State of Origin. What do you make of the ad? 00:22:05 Speaker 10: Look, I think what one nation is doing here is very nimble. I mean they showed that when Peter on Monday Night used that phrase, and I hope Peter's taking her percentage cut when they start selling merchandise with that on it. I mean, she deserves the slice of that four million dollars, I got to say. 00:22:22 Speaker 1: But they're very nimble. 00:22:23 Speaker 10: I mean James Ashby was watching Kredlin, he was actually on that night with her, and he immediately seized on the on the phrase, turned it into a campaign, turned it into a fundraiser and as you say, they're getting up toward four million that ad or play out during State of Origin, which of course this Wednesday is going to be played at the MCG and the other big event of the day it could be almost as big as State of Origin. Let me say, is Pauline Hanson's going to appear at the National Press Club be screened here live on Sky. This is going to be a massive test for her. The anti Hansen members of the Press Gallery are going to try tripper up. There will be all sorts of gotcha questions at the end, but I think people will be wanting to watch and listen to what the speech entails and what she says about some of the policies she might be about to wheel out. I should just point out they're very good at pulling rabbits out of a hack's hat One Nation, but the Herald Sun newspaper at the weekend down here did something very clever. They went to the One Nation head office in Victoria. It's in the southeastern suburbs, near Packenham. It's next to a gun shop. There's nothing in the store except a trailer and a couple of posters, and they don't have one candidate yet and the elections in five months time. How are you going to turn that mess into a political machine that can actually win seats? Michael had no better than me, but I think that's a hell of an ask. 00:23:47 Speaker 2: Well, Michael Price has a point. I mean, One Nation is doing very well obviously, and in this latest poll it's leading for the first time on the primary voter it's edge past Labor twenty nine percent to Labour's twenty I said before the coalition is down to twenty percent. But does it have the candidates to be able to actually win a state election a general election? And do you think pulling hands? And I mean she'd have to move from the Senate to the lower House. But is she could she be a future prime minister. 00:24:22 Speaker 12: Well, she'd probably run in Blair where she would be in the lower House. But I think Steve Price is right. It's a big job to get a whole state machine and candidates that are coherent and not sort of some of the weirdos that one nation has had in the past ready for the Victorian state election. But the fundraising and the polling show you one thing, Caroline. People hate the Prime minister and the current government, particularly after the budget. The real concern for democracy in Australia is you put the coalition in one nation together, even if they agree to swap preferences, will their voters deliver it. I can imagine a lot of the tea ladies in Brighton and Point Piper refuse. They may vote Liberal, but they will refuse to get their preferences to one nation and labor and the Greens will scrape back into federal power. 00:25:15 Speaker 1: Remember it's two years away. 00:25:17 Speaker 12: Two years wait, I mean elbow seems to have been in for an eternity, but it's basically just a bit. 00:25:22 Speaker 1: Over a year. 00:25:23 Speaker 2: No time does not fly when you're not having fun, so that it drags and drags. Let's talk about what's been happening in Sydney, because there's tragic shark attack at Kuji Beach over the weekend has renewed calls for a shark cull after thirty five year old new mum Leah Stewart was left fighting for her life. The news out Bell's government now saying nothing is off the table. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott Wade in today just. 00:25:53 Speaker 8: Read the latest news about a woman fighting for her life after a shag. 00:25:57 Speaker 3: Attack at cuts And Beach. 00:25:59 Speaker 11: It's so wrong that we. 00:26:02 Speaker 8: Don't cul sharks after tex It's so wrong that we don't have a commercial shark fishery given the explosion in shark numbers, and it's so wrong that

we don't put people before sharks. 00:26:16 Speaker 2: Michael, I'll come to you first on this. Do you agree with Tony Abbot. Here should sharks be culled? 00:26:23 Speaker 1: Caroline. 00:26:24 Speaker 12: I've never been in favor of sharks ever since I saw the four film Jaws. I think, look, most ordinary common sense people believe in culling sharks. I knew the new in viro cranks say we've got to let the sharks roam free. I don't believe it. The only problem is is that Tony Abbott is a great man. But I think he's making a mistake by outshiny Angus Taylor. 00:26:51 Speaker 2: Maybe, but Angus Taylor hasn't said anything on this topic. And Tony Abbott, as we all know, is a keen sofa. He's at the beach a lot. It is sort of his Yeah, he was a great life saver. You know this is his his patch. I guess, Pricey, I want to get your thoughts on that. But also, Channel nine went ahead with a broadcast of its primetime reality show titled Shark Last Night. Now, this show has celebrities confronting their fear of sharks. Take a look, it's not good TV. If one of us sketch been bitten by shark. I am pet Craig Okay. 00:27:29 Speaker 10: Swimming blinds and not knowing if there's sharks underneath me or behind me. 00:27:33 Speaker 2: Dhummer is quite hundernighed. I can see him. We've got to have Rock cainan bloody hits. 00:27:38 Speaker 7: Got explore the ocean and meet some sharks. 00:27:42 Speaker 2: Pricey. Do you think it was tone deaf for nine to have gone ahead with that show last night given what had happened only the day before. They had dumped the show in Western Australia only two weeks before after a shark attack there. 00:27:57 Speaker 10: I made of mind Scott Cam's on that. I think they to dump it. I mean, I can't understand how management could should be so tone deaf, Caroline, when you consider the seriousness of what happened at Coulji Beach. I mean, this woman and our prayers go out to her and her recovery. She was swimming between the flags, she was in crystal clear water, and it's you know, we're in the middle of June, where you don't expect shark attacks. New South Wales has had five shark attacks in the last five months, so there is something going on with the behavior of sharks, particularly off the New South Wales coast. We get quite used to the fact that the northern New South Wales, where you do have large rivers running out into the ocean and you have muddy water where there are shark attacks. But to have one take place in Coulji Beach like that, I think that's sharpened everyone's view on this. And I think what we need to hear from the fishermen, the fishermen who fish off the coast of Sydney, what are they seeing out there when they go fishing. I heard one professional fisherman say in the past he'd never had a fish that he'd caught taken by a shark in five years, and now it's happening every time he goes out. So obviously the protection of the great white has meant they have materialized. There's many more of them, and so I don't have a problem with it with a cull. I know that the government, the New South Wales government's going to have to tread very carefully because forever we've been having this debate and you'd know, Caroline, because you're in Sydney over drum lines, over nets, Should beaches be netted, should drum lines be there? And for God's sake, Couldjie didn't have drones up because it's near the airport. What I mean, what aircraft's going to run into a drone across the flying at low level across? Could you beach for good? 00:29:37 Speaker 1: Suck? 00:29:38 Speaker 2: Well, now they're allowing the drones to go up, only the ones used for life saving and to keep a eye on sharks because they see that this is a problem. They usually have nats, but they took them down during winter for whale migration. So look, I'm with you. I think we had to put human lives before sharks and stop this mask smartness. See, thank you both for your time tonight. Unfortunately we're out of time for the other topics I was hoping to get to but still to come. I'll turn to Israel to get the local reaction to the around peace deal and for many there it's not good. And the founder of kogan dot com Roslinkogan will join us exclusively to explain why the government's tax changes will fundamentally change immigration here and attract waters and welfare bludgers. Don't miss that next welcome back. Well, the Albaneze governments much criticized tax changes have a new prominent critic, with the founder and CEO of the phenomenally successful Cogan dot com Roslinkogan unloading on the proposal. 00:30:48 Speaker 3: If you're going to say, all right, the rewards for building something, for employing people, for contributing to society are going to be less, and there's going to be more, more hand out, more government intervention, more government jobs, more welfare and all of that. Who were you going to attract to come to the country. We don't want people looking at Australia and going, oh, you know what, there's some great opportunity for some really sick NDIS scams, there's a really great welfare system. That's the sort of country that I want to come to. 00:31:26 Speaker 2: And Ruslin Cogan joins me now from Venice, where he is lucky enough to be holidaying with his family. Ruslin, you've obviously hit an ove with this post. It's been viewed now close to nine million times on x What prompted you to say something about these tax changes. 00:31:44 Speaker 3: Well, I was seeing a bit of discussion happening on the topic, and I was thinking, well, you know, a lot of people are discussing the technicalities of how the tax system should work and what should the you know, various values be and how should it be structured. And I was just thinking about it from the perspective that I do in business in a company culture, where when we're building a company, we're thinking what sort of people do we want to attract to want to come work for our business, and what sort of people do we want to never want to

consider working at cogaan dot com? And what sort of culture are we building and applying that on a more macro level to the country and saying, well, why don't we take it back a step and go all right, we can debate lots of implementations about different tax systems, but what essentially are we trying to do? Who do we want to make Australia attractive for? What do we want the values of Australia to be? And I think that they're the first discussions that need to happen, And then you look at the various ways that you can implement that, and ultimately it comes down to tell me the incentive and I'll tell you the behavior. 00:32:56 Speaker 2: And I mean, we should make it clear. You're obviously not anti immation yourself. You came to Melbourne from Belarus as a child in nineteen eighty nine, and yet you talk in this video about how these changes will affect migration to Australia. And I think, as you say, that isn't a point that a lot of people or anyone really has touched on. Can you explain a bit more why you think it's going to attract the wrong kind of people to Australia. 00:33:25 Speaker 3: Well, when you rewind back to nineteen eighty nine, when my parents took the massive risk to drop everything they've got travel into the unknown to build a better life for their kids with ninety dollars in their pocket, it was all about coming to Australia to work really hard, to contribute to society because they believe that Australia is a place where you can go work really hard, build something and create a better life. They weren't attracted to Australia because somebody had told them that, oh there's a great welfare system or there's amazing handouts that you could scam by filling out forms this way or that way. They were legitimately looking to build something. And I think that immigrants and migrants that bring that work ethic and the skills and the education in various fields to Australia can be a huge asset to our country. Migrants and immigrants are amazing people. There are predetermined people who are risk takers, hard workers, and that can be a wonderful thing. So I love the concept of immigrants and migration because my family did it, and thankfully they did it and built a better life for us in Australia and gave us the opportunities that we've had. I was just merely pointing out that depending like Australia has changed a lot in the in the thirty five or so years since then. And if you change the incentives, and you change the system to incentivize a different sort of behavior, you're going to have very different sort of immigrants that come to Australia than what you had through the nineteen eighties. 00:35:15 Speaker 2: You know, more business leaders like yourself speaking up about these sorts of changes are now one of the biggest super annuation funds host pluses, warning like you that capital gains tax overhaul could hurt investment and innovation in this country. And that's despite super funds being exempt from these tax changes. But why do you think more people, business leaders, especially who may not have been political before, might not have stuck their necks out, are now putting themselves out there and criticizing this government. Has it just reached boiling point? Now? Have people had enough? 00:35:52 Speaker 3: I think business leaders in general are having lots of discussions with entrepreneurs, with people who start businesses. They've had a career talking to people who are deciding whether they stay in one form of a job or whether they have a crack at a business, and how hard they should work and what they should do and what they should build. So they're people who are essentially at the forefront of talking to the builders in the country. And I think they're scared. I think that they're seeing the writing on the wall. They're probably hearing the sentiment from a lot of entrepreneurs. On one hand, it's fair enough to say, look, in reality, Australia is the best country in the world, which I really agree with, and you know, we've got an amazing country and you just want to see it head in the right direction and be better today than it was yesterday. But on the other hand, you go, well, if we keep changing these policies, that may not be the case, and we may be having an exodus of talent, which we've seen all over the world. This isn't you know, We're not the first country that may incentivize talent to leave. And when you also correlate that with the fact that when you look at any of the business lists, there's a lot of immigrants on them because they're a highly predetermined group of people who are willing to drop everything they've got and take massive risks to build a better life for their families. So you go, all right, the people who do this building, the people that create businesses, the people that create jobs and opportunities and move our economy forward, are also the sort of people that are highly predisposition to taking risks. And if one place is telling them, you know what, we don't really value that sort of imput we don't really value your hard work, or the people that you employ, or the risks that you take, or the sleepless nights that you endure thinking how to make your business better. That's not really what we value here. It's not outside the realm of possibilities that those people will pack up shop and leave. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't Ruzland Cocaine. Thank you so much for taking time out of your family trip to join us. Let's hope the government is listening to some of what you had to say. It makes a lot of sense coming up. After the break, Trump takes another shocking swipe at Benjamin Nanna, who will turn live to Israel for some reaction, and the US President celebrates his eightieth birthday in the way only Trump can, with a big UFC fight right on the front lawn of the White House. President Trump's proposed deal with Iran is already being called a bad deal in Israel, with critics warning it leaves Tehran's nuclear program,

ballistic missiles, and terror proxies untouched. It would extend the seas fire for sixty days and reopen the Strait of Hormuz, but Israel has reportedly been kept out of the negotiations. Flur Hassana, whom israel Foreign Ministry's Special envoy and former Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem, joins me. Now, thank you for your time tonight. These reports calling this a bad deal in Israel, is that the majority view there? Would you say, or how is the deal being received? 00:39:23 Speaker 6: The truth is that we have very little information of what the deal actually is. It has not been published yet, and it's full. It's an MoU it's a memorandum of understanding. The deal is supposed to be properly negotiated in sixty days. So all we're hearing right now is Iranian state propaganda talking about how they have cut a fantastic deal, how they can continue with some uranium enrichment, how they have won because the Strait of Hormuz is open, and how they are going to have a three hundred billion. 00:39:59 Speaker 7: Dollar reconstruction plan for their country. 00:40:02 Speaker 6: So at the moment, because it's such little details coming out of the American side, all we hear is Iranian state propaganda. 00:40:11 Speaker 2: So the state propaganda in Iran is actually saying they'll be able to continue with some Uranian enrichment. Because Trump is touting this as they're not going to have any nuclear weapons, they're going to get rid of all their enriched uranium. But that sounds like that sounds like a contrast to what Iran is saying. 00:40:28 Speaker 7: Well, that's exactly it. The Iranians are saying we can keep the. 00:40:33 Speaker 6: Right to enrich uranium, and the Americans are saying they have given their right to nuclear power, they've given the right to any type of military nuclear So that's where you could say, in diplomacy, there's something called constructive ambiguity, where every side actually interpests things. 00:40:51 Speaker 7: A different way. 00:40:52 Speaker 6: But in this case we're talking about Trump's promise. Trump's vowed that Iran would not have a capacity to uranium and to build a bomb, and the Uranian side saying, we can still enrich uranium. And let's see where we destroy the sixty percent enriched uranium, whether it's in our country, whether it's exploited, where the Americans supervised. 00:41:16 Speaker 7: You know, at the end of the day, the devil is into detail. We have no details whatsoever. 00:41:20 Speaker 2: Well, it's a let's wait and see. But if Iran is already saying that it is not looking too promising, I think I Meanwhile, Trump has come out with some pretty shocking comments about Benjamin Nanna, who during an interview with The New York Times, saying that quote, he's a very difficult guy, and to be honest with you, he should be very thankful to us for doing this. He also told Fox News that Bibbi had no effing judgment after the Israeli Prime ministers struck back at Hezbollah over its attacks on Israel while peace

negotiations were ongoing flour How are these comments from Trump about Nanya, who being received in Israel? Do you think it was fair of Trump to attack the Israeli Prime Minister for hitting back after Hezbolah's attacks against Israel. 00:42:10 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, every country has the right of self defense. We have a situation where the north of Israel has been constantly attacked from from the eighth of October twenty twenty three, we've had almost one hundred thousand evacuees from the north of the country. 00:42:25 Speaker 7: Business has destroyed, kids running into shelters for two and a half years. So it is Israel's right to defend. 00:42:32 Speaker 6: Itself from the jihadi proxy that is Hesbola. Rasbola have also made the lives of Lebanese people completely miserable. It's taken over the country. It's an illegal occupation of Lebanon. But putting all that aside, we have to understand something. Trump is somebody who one day will say this, and the next day will say that Netta Niao is his best friend, and the next day will say that Israel is the strongest allies, and the next day will say something else. We can't forget one thing, that this whole thing could be theater, complete theater. 00:43:05 Speaker 7: We don't know what's going to happen in sixty days. We don't know if this is Trump's way of playing for time. This has happened before. This is not just my delusions. 00:43:14 Speaker 6: Last year there were to the run up of the war with Iran that Israel started after being attacked by Iron twice in twenty twenty four, the same script, Trump saying negative things about it and now and then it turned out to be the reason or the way to get a surprise attack. Same thing happened again end of February of this year, beginning of March. There was some type of rift between Trump and It's and now the next thing we know, we're attacking Iran together. I would not be surprised if this was an elaborate ruse to get Iran to bring down their defenses so we can finish the job. 00:43:52 Speaker 7: We don't know what's going to happen. Sixty days in this region is a long long time. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: Okay, well that is a very interesting take for But it is the second time in a week Trump has publicly rebuked Nannyahu. Even if it is theater and some kind of strategy, he's got to hoodwink the Iranians. Where do you think their relationship stands now? I mean surely it would be humiliating for Netanyahu to be rebuked by his closest ally on the world stage. 00:44:23 Speaker 6: You know, one thing is being rebuked and one thing is Israel reserving the right to defend your stuff, which we did yesterday after relentless attacks by Hasbola, Israel attacked the Hasbola stronghold in a suburb of Beirut. Would Trump had preferred Natania not to do that, of course, you what if you didn't want anything, you know, putting his deal off track. 00:44:45 Speaker 7: But Israel did what was good for Israel. 00:44:48 Speaker 6: Israel did what we needed to do

to defend the north of the country from these Kasbola terrasts. So he can say everything he wants, and it is dangerous because at the end of the day, in this region and everywhere where else, perception is reality. But at the end of the day, Israel has to do what's right for Israel. 00:45:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I couldn't agree with you more. I just think sadly Israel has become such a pariah in the world stage. You see how our own government here in Australia has treated Israel, and Trump is its closest ally, So it can be discipening, it can be decigning. 00:45:23 Speaker 6: We've become the world's punching back, and fortunately we have two thousand years of history that tells you that this is the way it's always been. 00:45:31 Speaker 2: So sad, it's sad that Trump is throwing a few punches now to Fleur Hasanahum, thank you for your time. Now, don't go anywhere yet. I'll discuss which Democrats have criticized the Iron Peace Deal already, despite demanding one since day one. Kosha Gada on that next welcome back. Despite facing a massive pressure in the US the war for the war in the Middle East to end, Trump is still facing heavy backlash back home over his Iron Peace Deal. Democratic Senator Jack Reid said, for one hundred days, we've been hearing constantly there's going to be a deal. There's going to be a deal. I think the precipitating issue today the President wants to give himself a birthday present, and we have paid for it with hundreds of billions of dollars. Joining me now is Skyanese contributor. Kosher Gata Kosher always great to see you. It seems hypocritical for the Democrats to lash Trump over this peace deal. I mean, it's something they have been calling for since the beginning. 00:46:37 Speaker 11: It is definitely hypocritical, and they have been all over the map on this issue, for sure. They've been calling for it from the beginning. They're all over the police criticizing the Act of war and it didn't have congressional improvement approval and all of that, but then also criticizing any movement towards a peace deal, of course for their own political expediency. But there's also a kernel of truth in it because they do know that this war has been broadly very unpopular in the US. The case was never clearly made to the American people. We know that the Trump base on the right has been very unhappy with it and fears of being mired in something again after twenty years in the Middle East, which is a very unpopular position, something of course Trump ran on. So they know that and they're able to make political hay of this. And the issue too, is this MoU as a previous guest was saying, it's still pretty squishy. There's a lot of uncertainty around it. So what it does is it sort of becomes this rorsha test for everybody who's looking at it to see what they want to see and criticize whatever they want to criticize. And we're just a few short months away from the midterm elections, so I think all sides are going to pick it apart and use it for their own political advantage. 00:47:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be right, at least until we get more detail about what's actually involved in until the signatures are on the page, let's hold our breaths look. Speaking of Trump's birthday, the UFC Freedom two fifty at the White House kicked off earlier today and with a major upset. All seven of the fights ended via TKO or technical knockout, meaning no real knockout, no controversy yet. The entire event has been met with rave reviews, with four thousand fans who managed to score tickets flocking to the special arena that had been set up on the White House lawn Kosher. This is quite a way to celebrate an eightieth birthday. I mean, you can't imagine Joe Barden doing something like this. How do you think it all went. 00:48:34 Speaker 11: I think I can imagine any world leader doing something like this. As you said in your teaser before the break, this is something only Trump can do. It's a rather unconventional way to celebrate a birthday on the White House lawn. No less, of course, but it is very Trump. It's a combative sport. It has a high spectacle aspect to it. 00:48:56 Speaker 2: It is very red. 00:48:57 Speaker 11: Meat to the base. He personally loves it, personal passion project of his. He very famously has gone out to see many many matches. He's a close personal friend of Dana White, the CEO of the UFC, and so he's sort of. 00:49:10 Speaker 2: Rolling it in. 00:49:10 Speaker 11: It's his birthday, but he's rolling it into the two fiftieth anniversary of the US and those celebrations that are kicking off right now, and it is something very much like Trump. I think it cost them something like twenty million dollars, sorry, sixty million dollars to put the show on, all privately funded by the UFC, and reportedly they may actually make a loss on it in terms of this event, but it went on. It really went off without a hitch. It got so much brand equity for them, I think, around the world, and it was just such a historic It's certainly a first doing this on the White House lawn. So I think they factor that in as a broader marketing benefit for them. 00:49:46 Speaker 4: In the long term. 00:49:46 Speaker 2: The kosher would you go and watch a UFC UFC match? Have you ever been to one? 00:49:51 Speaker 11: Just quickly, I I'm not a huge sports aficionado, Caroline, I would admit that, and certainly UFC is not my of g but I do admire the institution and the organization. 00:50:03 Speaker 2: Fair enough, very diplomatically, said kosher Ghada, thank you for your time, and that is all the time we have for tonight. I'll see you back here tomorrow at eight. But now for a real sports fan, my friend Paul Murray