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Player Driven Live.
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Welcome.
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It is Thursday.
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We are so excited.
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I don't know about you, Colin, but I feel like it's the beginning of September.
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My kids are first going back to school.
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I know you said your kids are already back at school, but I feel like it's like the start of the new season.
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Games comes over.
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Summer is kind of ending in my world, and I feel like it's a reset kind of finish up Q.
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What are we at?
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Q4.
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Ah strong going now.
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Q4?
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We're in Q4.
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I have another.
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Q4 starts in October.
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Um, you know, I don't follow the Qs anymore.
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We don't, we don't, we don't jump ahead in the calendar like that.
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Uh, you just gave me a heart attack.
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Uh, I I run a business.
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I don't even know that.
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I'm like, it's not at the end of Q shot.
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No, uh, it is uh it is uh great to be back.
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I it's finally not um it doesn't feel like Florida here, so our Disneyland is back to being Disneyland for those who follow me and Greg's back and forth on that.
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But um, it's not hot, it's not gross.
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It we're back in we're getting cool autumn breezes this week in in LA.
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There's some fear that there was a hurricane barreling toward us, they'll seem to subside again.
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Bunch of noise.
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There's no hurricane coming.
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And we live in California, 72 and sunny every day.
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Um, and uh my kids been at school for a while, so um, we send our kids to school in August, man.
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They're they're back at it before the everyday.
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I feel like that's a debate.
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August is still summer, shouldn't they be in camp?
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Shouldn't they still be enjoying themselves?
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Here you have California sending their kids to school at the end of summer.
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Well, I don't know how you guys operate in the year because my kids get like at a normal amount of time off in the year.
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So, like what they do is they start early and then they like take a week off here, a week off there, so they give more air in the year for them to have more time off, as I understand it.
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And uh very different than when I was a kid where we just had very few days off and you're just at school every day.
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But we didn't go back to school till actually every day.
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The fact that you called it abnormal just means the conversation was over.
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It's it's I won.
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That's putting a pin in it.
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Uh, I mean, I I didn't grow up in California, so for me it's a it's a it's a new thing.
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I'm like, well, I guess this is how people do it these days, anyways.
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People that come for our key our takes on the the school year of going to daylight savings side.
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Are we are you uh keep the calendar spring forward forever, guy?
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Or are you uh let's let's keep shifting our clocks every uh no I want uh whichever one's the lighter, where it's lighter in the morning, lighter at nighttime.
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Just keep that one.
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Why why are we going the other way?
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So you want to switch a clock forever.
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So are you a daylight at the end of the day guy, or are you a daylight in the morning guy?
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Uh end of the day.
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I want as much sun in the day as possible.
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That is that is the correct answer.
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So you're a leap forward forever kind of guy.
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I respect that.
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I respect that.
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Let's talk about what we're actually here to talk about today on the 3rd of September.
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So we're gonna start by talking about the state of play where Stony to this morning have their state of play, where we'll dig into what they spoke about, see if anyone was welmed, overwhelmed, underwhelmed.
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We'll talk about GTA, Colin's bet on when they're going to hit a billion dollars.
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And I'm excited to talk about a game stage tour.
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It's a rhythm game, and we're gonna break down what is our ideal playlist.
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But let's start at the beginning of things, which was state of play, Colin.
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We were all watching it together this morning.
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I know you were excited about it.
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How do you feel?
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Well, to be clear, I watched the first hour of it and then nailed uh on the second hour because it was I was like, I'm I'm good, and I got you know myself ready at 6 a.m.
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I was like, I'm done after the first hour of it
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Um, so I thought it was fine.
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I I you know I didn't think anything really popped out of me as like wow, I can't believe they dropped that bomb.
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I mean, it was all and I could be completely wrong.
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I mean, I you know, my takeaways were one, um, you know, great to see Wolverine still getting its uh marketing beats, and I guess we got an update until dawn.
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So you you got updates on things you already knew were happening, like until Dawn 2 was already announced.
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So that was cool.
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This got its release date at the end of January.
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So that's that's one standout to me.
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The next one was Final Fantasy, they're just gonna keep trying to make this thing a bit.
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Uh you know, they're marketing it, they're trying their hardest to make Final Fantasy uh 7 Revelations to be a big game, launching in April, so out of the uh out of the storm of Q1.
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Um yeah, I don't know.
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I'm still I'm still personally, I'm just still kind of meh on the idea of Final Fantasy VII Part 3.
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So um, you know, I'm curious how this like shows up in our data next week.
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And then lastly, most importantly, the official reveal of the PlayStation Lego set.
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Now, for those in the Lego world, we've known this is gonna happen for months now.
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Um, this is Lego's got is like a leaky sieve of a company, like sets get leaked out there like months, sometimes years in advance.
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So we all know what's happening, but it was cool to see it in its fully revealed state of play form.
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Um, what they didn't say, which I think is a critical piece of it, is that rumored, I guess not officially confirmed, but again, we're generally right on these on the rumor side.
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A gift of purchase or a GWP, as those Lego community people call it, a gift of purchase is supposed to align itself with the PlayStation, and that is the Astrobot uh Lego, which makes this a day one thing for me.
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Uh, I will I will I will burn Rome to get an Astrobot Lego.
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Um, so for those who don't buy Lego normally, they don't do pre-orders, it's all drops.
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It's uh it's at um 12 a.m.
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Eastern time on the day of the drop.
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So 9.8 p.m.
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PST, just be there, put it in your cart, move on today.
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It's gonna be a busy day because they're also releasing the Super Star Destroyer uh USC UC it, the Lego
set, um, which will come with a Darth Vayner gift with purchase lightsaber, which will make that a must buy for Lego collectors worldwide.
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So it's gonna be a busy kiosk day for Lego.com.
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They'll put you in the queue.
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That's my hunch.
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They have a queue.
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I you gotta be it's like Coachilla tickets, man.
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It's coachilla tickets.
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You earned your Lego black card or whatever you need to get to that front of that line.
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Like you have to flaunt it now.
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How many pieces of Lego do you think I have registered?
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So they have an app um that's the Lego, you know, scan scan for points of everything you've ever built.
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But they've only started this in was it like 2017, something like that.
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Like, so this is a new-ish thing among Lego.
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How many pieces of Lego do you think I have in my catalog register?
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Oh my god, this is such a hard guess.
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I'd imagine the average largest set is about a thousand to three thousand pieces.
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I'd assume you have maybe a hundred and ten thousand pieces.
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Bricks, two hundred and ten thousand.
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Oh my goodness.
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Uh four hundred and uh you were closer to it.
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It's uh right now registered, so not everything I own because it's impossible to register everything you own.
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I currently have sitting on 251,177 registered bricks, meaning I scan the QR code on the instruction manuals when I open the box and then I get my you know points, and then it basically becomes a a registration of all the sets I have purchased and have acquired.
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That does not include the stuff I grew up with.
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Nice to learn, does not include like stuff I accumulated before the 2010s, really.
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Um, so there is a there's more there, but uh the number is uh astronomically high over a set count of 362 sets I've registered.
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So you have like hot sweats when you think about the Legos that you didn't get to scan when you were a kid and that just got away.
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No, I'm fine with it.
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Um it's for insurance purposes, man.
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Like they created a digital uh place where I could do my proof of purchase if my house burns down in California, which is uh not unlikely per se, unfortunately.
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Then it's right to the insurance.
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Like, hey,
look at this.
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The value of this sets are God, I don't want to get in the brick and minifig conversation because that apparently turns into a huge drama, but you know, it's not it's not nothing, so it's a good amount of money.
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All right, let's talk a little bit more about PlayStation.
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I think what did you think about C and Play?
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Like, I went on a Lego tangent.
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What did you think?
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What was your very underwhelming in my mind?
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I do think the Legos look awesome.
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I I did not expect the sides to pull that and being able to see different kinds of game worlds inside there.
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I thought that was wonderfully done.
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And I mean, you're expecting a Lego partnership to be something amazing.
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So uh Sony had to follow up Nintendo, so how are they gonna do it?
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And I think it I'm gonna point to it in the background.
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Nintendo already did this with the uh infamous Lego uh Mario uh question mark block that you can put, but it shows different levels of Mario 64 as micro builds, so yeah.
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Um congrats, Sony.
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Uh always following Nintendo in their footsteps, while while trying footsteps.
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Uh, but I like it.
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I think the games just were whelming to me.
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I mean, Crimson Desert DLC, which was funny because we were talking about that a little earlier today.
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Like you mentioned, Final Fantasy.
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A lot of it seemed like Final Fantasy, whether it's JRPG or some sort of game like that, just kind of copy and paste, copy and paste.
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And that's not my style game.
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So about halfway through this, I was just kind of like, all right, this is more of the same.
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What I actually like, it kicked off with a look at uh the Resident Evil, the new Resident Evil, which I think is a fascinating movie, which I think deserves a discussion of its own because it's almost like uh the way Obsession takes a look at a world or the way some of these backrooms takes a look at another world.
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I feel like Resident Evil is taking a look at a world we all know, but a completely different lens than we know of.
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And I think it's a super interesting way to approach VIP.
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And I think that's the excitement that came from this from me, that and Maneater too, because it's a shark game.
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, to be fair to all the um JRPG anime theme games, it is the Tokyo game show uh state of play, so um, it makes sense that that around there they would be leaning into a lot of those kind of uh parts of the catalog.
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Um I mean beyond that, I would also say that uh the the uh the until dawn 2 uh uh date drop is pretty cool.
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I mean that game has a fandom behind it, it's definitely like one of the larger horror games.
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Um so and it looks it looks like it's delivering what Until Dawn delivers, which is a decision-based like tree of choice that then leads you into killing different characters or having them survive as you make way through kind of you know the premise of survive till dawn or whatever, right?
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So like that's that's cool.
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So excited to see kind of an update there.
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That's probably the thing that stuck out to me the most out of everything personally, but your part about JRPG is I get it, and I'm I'm a bit whelmed by it all because I don't, you know, it's a lot of sameness to me, and I know there's a lot of JRPG super fans out there, so I'm so sorry.
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And I I am not like a not JRPG person, I have just long kind of moved away from that being one of my main genre of games, uh, probably because I've just grown out of it.
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Um, so I was a bit like it's okay.
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Like, you know, the JRPG market has seen more interesting drops in the last month.
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Like, um, the bit like uh if you're gonna be true up here about it, like honestly, the Kingdom Hearts 4 has me more excited in just uh the look, the vibe, everything else that comes out of that than anything about Final Fantasy uh 7 Revelations.
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That just seemed like a concluding thing that cool, these weapons they look better.
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Like, yeah, they do look better.
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That's awesome.
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You get to fly around the airship and drop down on different parts of the world.
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I'm like, yep, that's exactly how you play Final Fantasy VII.
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You got the airship, Zid drove it, and you have to go wherever you wanted to.
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So it means you're gonna find next to the round table summit at some point.
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Like, that's cool.
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Um, you get to conclude the story.
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Like, yeah, I assume that was that's the premise.
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I just you know, I keep going back to that game, should have just been one game.
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I I it breaks my brain it's like three games, it should have just made it one super long game and not try to commercialize it in
three waves.
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That probably urges me the most as like a fan.
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I mean, they probably made enough money from making a PlayStation exclusive in the beginning that no justification needs to be made.
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If they got paid on it, well, the fact the new ones are gonna be on all devices day one.
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Oh, the new one, yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But I mean, you kind of lost.
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I mean, I guess I can't speak for Xbox, and there's not many of them in in the West anyway, but like they're not buying Xbox to play.
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Yeah, it's more the Nintendo side because um Japan, we were having this discussion this morning.
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They're what they play is very different than what the rest of the world plays, they're very specific in the kind of games, which is when I see the show and I see all the stuff that they're announcing and kind of uh calling out, it's like, yeah, this all makes sense for that market.
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So, not having Final Fantasy VII, any of them, as an exclusive on PlayStation, where if you follow the sales of the PlayStation in that market, they have been incredibly underwhelming this generation as the Switch just eats its lunch on top of mobile, like mobile and the Switch have just dominated Japan.
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So, not putting a Final Fantasy game in Japan on day one launch has been probably the biggest detriment to that franchise in terms of hitting its like ceiling.
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So, this hopefully fixes that.
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So maybe in Artulia we'll show that's gonna trend better than Rebirth because Rebirth was a PlayStation exclusive and underwhelm versus seven, so uh sort of remake.
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So, yeah, we'll see.
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I'll I'll have a more of a take next week, but we'll see how it lands.
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But I think it's a good thing that's not gonna be able to switch.
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I want to get into a podcast actual episode where we kind of dig more into the marketing in China because I don't think people understand how vastly different marketing is done there.
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It's not the same way you go pay influencers here or put commercials or get ads, it's a different beast, and I think it's a fun way to start digging into because you know it kind of I was telling someone because the other day Colin and I were talking, and he was, I mean, he was on the live show, he was calling everything soul slop, soul slop.
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And I and he's right, but he's also not right.
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But things are also marketed differently to us than it is overseas, and and that's the type of
things that might, I'm not saying as is, but that's type of content that might hit over there rather than over here, and it's not made for us.
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Uh, and and I don't know, it's just something that has always interested me is like marketing isn't what we think it is over there.
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How is it different?
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Like in terms of marketing a game in China versus here, yeah.
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Well, they just like different games.
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This is not like crazy town.
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Like, this is the challenge that Western games have going into China.
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It's the same challenge that Chinese publishers and developers have had making games that make data way out to the West.
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And like Tenne's, 10 to put 10's, Tencent and Netes, still two sort, uh two separate companies, have spent a gajillion dollars.
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It's real mouth, guys.
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Just look it up, good gajillion dollars trying to make games specific for the West, um, and have found more a lot more failures and successes.
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But like at the end of the day, they're beginning to chip at that armor, like they're beginning to find things that kind of break through over here.
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But ultimately, you're right, but it's also just the kind of games people play, and they just don't understand what makes like like why can't they make a Call of Duty clone that does well in the West?
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Well, um, because Call of Duty and how activism makes a game is just very popular in the West.
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And it's very hard to like just say, Oh, we took uh Delta Force, and it's like, yeah, nobody cares out here, like nobody, like it's a massive game in China, but it's not the Call of Duty killer that was like kind of propped up to be like a half decade ago coming and it's being made, and it's just never worked, right?
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So I don't know.
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I um sorry also China is more mobile, like it'd just be fair.
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Like that's the other thing.
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It's like they are a mobile first market, they didn't have the technology anchor that is colon so it's not a bad thing, like colon so it became big in the west because it for reasons that are like we have the space.
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I think I made this point on uh the live stream we did on GTA last week, but like part of the the the thing I think the Western people have uh understanding with the rest of the world is like we have space, like especially the US.
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Like I have a 60-inch flat screen TV hanging on my wall.
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I like to put a machine in that room that purposely plays games on this giant screen
in the living room.
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Most people don't have that space to have a screen that large staring at them in the face in their like living space.
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So, like what the Switch does so well is it basically took it off the TV exclusively and made it a thing that you can personally stare at a small screen, but if you have the space, you can plug it in a big screen.
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That is an amazing like evolution of the console.
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But the Western consoles being PlayStation and Xbox haven't quite figured that out yet.
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They still design things made for an American 60-inch flat screen TV living room, which is that the culturally just different than what exists in the rest of the world, specifically like Asia.
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It's not just China, it's like Asia.
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So they are just mobile first, right?
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So I mean, I'm gonna land the plane as like an attack um why I'm bullish on it, is I saw all these people is like coming out of you know uh Gamescom, it broke the top three in wish list, like a congratulations at 300,000.
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I'm like, meanwhile, their website is like climbing like 21, 22, 23 million registered users, so it's also releasing on it's like, yeah, it's gonna be on Steam, cool.
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It's gonna be on PlayStation as a console exclusive, cool.
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It's also on mobile.
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I'm gonna go put my chips on the table.
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Most people are gonna play this game on mobile.
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Like, if you're to look at the pie of where people are playing a Neta, it's gonna be mobile predominantly with a tiny sliver of Steam and a tiny sliver of play or console relative to the size of mobile.
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But they're really good at beginning to design games that can at least hit all these different markets.
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So I and that's why in part I'm bullish on that game.
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It's like, oh, they're delivering a grand theft auto experience on mobile, they actually crack that.
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Wow, that doesn't exist.
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If big if we've seen this if many times, so let's see if if comes to fruition this time.
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But my last feeling on state of play, and something that no matter how much of a hole Xbox digges itself into, it is better at Sony than this.
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I don't know if we spoke about it or I spoke saw it on Reddit, but custom controllers are just so bad on Sony, and Xbox does such cool limited edition consoles, controllers.
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I mean, Starfield is a laughed at game, but that controller is revered.
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Like the GTA 6 controller is like a regular controller with a light etching of a six on it.
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Like, come on, can't we put a little bit of dollars into this?
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Um I I I am not one to stand for the PlayStation controller on any front.
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Um, so yeah, I look, uh, Xbox.
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If if the console market was only decided on controllers, then Xbox won the won the war, man.
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Congratulations.
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Wins a win.
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Um, the rest of it, uh, but they did win the controller business.
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Um, so you were underwhelmed by the GTA 6 controller, huh?
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You were like you looked at you like, eh, I'm not buying that, even though it'll probably sell out to be clear.
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100% will sell out, and no doubt about it.
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But no, I I mean put some cool color, could put do something with it.
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Like, find the Gears Award team that built those controllers and be like, hey, can you do a little side project for us here?
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And I mean, yeah, I saw the Wolverine one, and it was fine.
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I the only controller I've seen that I wish I had that I didn't get at the time was the Astrobot one because that's like that it's the the vibe of PlayStation.
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Obviously, he's a robot that drives around PlayStation, so he shouldn't fit like you should be able to be control controller fied and look good.
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Um, but yeah, I don't know.
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I I I thought it was interesting that they just I that was the funny one where it's like there you have all this like anime Japanese JRPG content mostly, and then the shore and then they're like, Oh yeah, by the way, Grand Theft Auto 6 on PlayStation, here's your controller.
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It's like, oh um, now that game is not particularly popular relative to everything else in Japan, so I'm curious how GTA does over there.
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Um, and I always felt like that's the opportunity with the Netties game.
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It's like you're not I was looking at the data.
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We um my my team member Anthony published a piece on Grand Theft Data today.
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One of the more interesting uh data visualizations he did and his uh piece was looking at where GTA is popular versus not.
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It's like, oh, it's really popular in the West, and it's like a share of like index scores really, really heavily in the West.
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And then the East, it's like it's it's under indexes relative to the West.
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And it's like, oh, so it's like your your opposite of what Ananta would do is like fill in
the East and maybe find a small decent audience in the West, but like it'll win over the East because the East is not a Grand Theft Auto market, which makes sense.
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Like a Grand Theft Auto is distinctly an American game, distinctly an American culture game, right?
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That doesn't necessarily resonate with a why, unless you want to laugh at America.
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Which I would imagine there's a credit there, but let's dig more into this because the topic we're talking about now is Grand Theft Auto, and we've been seeing analysts talk about the$1 billion market.
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For those that don't know, it took GTA 5 three days to get to$1 billion.
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So now Collins' gonna think that GTA 6 can get there sooner.
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When is GTA gonna hit a billion dollars and how does it go about doing that?
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Um has it not already?
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I honest the question.
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Like, I I have the I have my unprovable idea, but I would if it got out there that GTA 6 has already sold a billion dollars in in copies, I'd be like, yeah, probably has, um, and kind of move on.
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And this is predominantly based on just the different massive spikes we've seen in mind game since it's uh since it's uh announcement of like when it's gonna be available for purchase, and then the last week's bump from Netflix.
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Like, if 90% of the SKUs are going to a hundred dollar game, then all they have to do is sell 10 million units of a game to hit a billion dollars.
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So the question is is have they already sold 10 million units of a game to hit a billion?
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Dollars.
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My hunch is probably.
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Um, I would say yes.
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And I think the more interesting question that comes to Grand Theft Auto, and I posted something this week that's a kind of great data visualization on this one.
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It's like it's the biggest launch since our tracking and buying game by by a mile.
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It's not even particularly close, right?
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So when does when does Grand Theft Auto hit 2 billion?
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That's what I think is a more interesting question.
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How long will it take to hit 2 billion?
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And what will be its uh launch numbers when it comes out with a press release?
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Indefinitely it's gonna come out with a press release saying, Hey, Grand Theft Auto hit this number, you know, at this point in time.
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And my gut tells me they're gonna have something closer to$2 billion in in immediate sales as opposed to a billion.
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Like I think they're cutting for a$2 billion number if I had to guess.
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Like it just feels like$2 billion is the press release number.
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So we'll see if they hit it, right?
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Um, but it it's eating, I mean, it's already additive attention share.
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Uh the main metric we look at in my game is basically taking all attention share and adding it up and like saying marketing is a snowball of actions that lead up into a launch, right?
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And looking at it that way, this game will be the biggest game we've ever tracked since 2019.
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Not only that, it's going to already, and it's so far out from its release yet, pass every game we've ever seen in our tracking.
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So basically, what did these games do at launch?
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Where's Grand Theft Battle now?
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It's gonna pass Call of Duty Modern Warfare next week.
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Um and it's got like two months out until it's out.
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It's it's insane.
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Um, it's just starting its marketing campaign.
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Like now, like it's did it, it has it like people I talk to in my outside the gaming industry are just waking up to the fact that Grand Theft is starting to like come out and they're like thinking about buying it.
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Like, I just think this game is going to be so massive.
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I heard a podcast, and you know, not the shut out of the show, but there's an industry podcast from uh that called the town, that's like a you know movie industry one.
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I listened to it because my company screen engine is a movie company at the end of the day.
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So I listened to it just to be vaguely informed on what's going on with uh the other medium, like TV and film.
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And they had on their like, is Grand Theft Auto gonna take away from movies?
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They're like, Well, video games are not our thing.
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Ho ho ho.
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But we and then Lucas Shaw from Bluebird was like, Yeah, but you know, it's it could be a really big launch.
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And they're like, Yeah, but there's a ribbon effect.
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I think what movie do they talk about?
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Like uh a Pixar movie, or maybe it was one of them, and they're talking about like Meet the Fuckers, part three or six or however many those are like, oh, I don't know.
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We just don't think about these things, like cool games impact movies, who knows?
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And I'm like, Yeah, I've been on this hill for
years, or like, yeah, it's good to um impact box office because if box office requires people to leave their homes to spend time in a movie theater, and like you're basically scratching off the entire male demographic.
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So they look at the movies in terms of four quad marketing.
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It's like males under 25, males over 25, females under 25, females over 25 is like the quads.
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Well, the male quads, just scratch it off, just it's not coming to the movies every yeah.
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So you're already dealing with half an audience.
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What do you do?
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Like guys are basically playing Grand Theft Tato, and if they're not gonna be playing Grand Theft, they're gonna be watching people became Grand Theft Tato.
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So I think this game is gonna be a beast.
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I think it, you know, again, back to my billion.
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I think the most interesting question you could ask is does it hit two billion dollars at lunch?
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And this is for you, Greg, over under 25 million units in its in its uh in its uh first week.
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So I have to imagine it's gonna be over.
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I saw an article today, and I mean in Nielsen, this is according to Chris Dring, right?
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Uh said in the last week, PlayStation sales jumped 33%, while Xbox Series S and X jumped 34%.
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That could be a misleading number because if it's week over week, I'm sure consoles have not been selling very well.
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So what's a 33% jump uh in that case?
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But to your point that you mentioned yesterday when we were talking, anyone that's buying a system right now is buying Grand Theft Auto.
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You're not choosing to buy a five-year-old system at its premium peak price that it's ever been at now in the life cycle before the biggest game of all time, and not purchase this.
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.000
So the question is how many consoles are being pushed now?
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Because that's every one is of those is probably going to be a purchase.
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:30.079
And I think 25 across two systems uh have pretty good market penetration, although not what GTA 5 had.
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25 million should be an easy number to hit.
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Yeah, the interesting yeah, the interesting question there is that's a you're it's a how many millions of consoles can be sold between now and November.
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:59.920
And if you put that number at like I don't know, I'm not a console uh system tracker person, so I'm just napkin mathing here, but like three to five million consoles get moved off the shelf between the summer and GTA launch, let's say, across PlayStation and Xbox, then you assume 100% of those people are buying um Grant the Thano.
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:01.599
So it's it's five million right there, right?
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.920
You just sold five million copies, right?
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:05.519
That's why they're buying the console.
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Um, so I you know I go back to the naysayers, and then they're like, you know, I think it's mid, I don't think they're keeping the humor in the game, it's giving us the same thing.
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:16.160
Like, I've heard it all.
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.160
It's it's you know, it's zagging when there's no data to zag on.
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.279
I I just that's why I think as a data guy, I guess pull my hair out.
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:28.480
I'm like, I I I don't see the zag here because it's they do not the data does not support the zag.
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:30.720
But let's just talk like vibes.
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.000
Every conversation I've had with Normie, so they know I work in the game industry.
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I go out and I do my son's baseball, for example, and people come up to me and they go, Did you watch the Grand Theft Auto things?
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:41.519
Yeah, I work in the industry.
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.079
Like, bro, is that car chase real?
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.839
It's everybody, everybody's first question to me is Is that car chase real?
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The one where they're four-star popping the tires, cars are flipping, and then I'm like, yeah, it looked real to me.
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.279
Um, but that's everyone's takeaway from that is that car chase sequence.
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They watched a 26-minute ad and they distilled it down to what 30 seconds of you shooting the tires of a cop car and just doing like flips.
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That's it, and that's what Grand Theft Out has always been.
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But has it ever looked that good?
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:20.559
Go back and watch GTA 5 footage of car chase sequences, go back and watch GTA 4 car chase sequences.
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Hell, go back and watch the painful to watch outside of Dranis and Vice City car chase sequences.
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.039
It's never looked like that.
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Like, this is like a whole other level of like, yeah, I had fun shooting cars and they blew up in like kind of pixelated fire, but this is like this is like real, real.
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:37.519
Like, this is awesome.
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You you watch the gun torque, like you know, and the recoil, it's like insane.
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:53.440
I I think there's also a class of individuals that purchase a console strictly for Grand Theft Auto, and they're similar to Madden people, they're similar to Call of Duty people.
00:28:53.599 --> 00:29:05.359
And I wouldn't
be surprised if a lot of these Call of Duty people are sorry, these uh Grand Theft Auto people aren't even paying attention to the news until GTA 6 drops, and then they will go out and they will buy GTA 6.
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:17.519
At the same time with the GTA 6 thing, they announced their new multiplayer platform, uh, the new map update, and that's gonna give a whole new life into this industry, into this creator economy as well.
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.799
And I think I think people, to your point, marketing hasn't started yet.
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There's still an untapped audience that hasn't seen this type of stuff yet, that are about to find out that their world is going to be rocked.
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Yeah, and I say marketing, because I know people say that these are marketing events, absolutely correct.
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:46.000
Netflix was the first real major marketing thing they did, and you know, that was an interesting stunt that seemed to work for Netflix, seemed to work for Grand Theft Auto, seemed to work for all parties involved.
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:54.319
Um, and I have a question on this one to ask you, Greg, on your thoughts on this, but like when I say marketing, uh to those who work in media, I mean media.
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Like, when am I gonna get hammered with Grand Theft Auto video ads across television, across my every social feed I'm on?
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When is that GTA trailer just to be hit playing in the loop?
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And I think it starts at the NFL.
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I think NFL kickoff at it was the beginning of the Grand Theft Auto media blitz where they will probably pour hundreds of millions of dollars in marketing this game worldwide between now and between the NFL starting in the US all the way through its launch.
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.240
And I don't think we'll watch a single commercial in NFL season.
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And I've said this before that we'll not have a grand theft auto ad attached to it at some point in the game.
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:31.359
No chance.
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.440
Um it reminds me of Battlefield 6 last year, it's the same strategy.
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:46.079
Like EA built those hype in the summer, and as soon as NFL college football started in the US, it was just a blitz of Battlefield 6 ads between then and its launch, which never stopped.
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.160
And I feel that's the same play here.
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:53.519
It is completely different, but the same play because uh I mean GTA or Battlefield.
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.359
Because you're reaching the person you mentioned.
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It's not the core gaming, it's the it's like my brother is the Call of Duty dad.
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.720
It's like I play Call of Duty and I play Madden.
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That's it, right?
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.759
Or I play 2K, I play Madden, I might play one other game.
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.400
Like that's that's the audience you're trying to penetrate to.
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:15.680
They don't pay attention to any of these state-of-play events, they don't care, they just they go about their lives.
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:21.519
But when you break through, it's like, oh, and by the way, here's your we're telling you this thing's coming out this day.
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.839
They're like, Oh, yeah, well, this is a must-purchase for me.
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:25.039
I'm gonna play this game, right?
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And then that sucks.
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.680
I mean, like, the biggest loser here is gonna be Call of Duty.
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.599
I'm I'm taking my patch notes off this week for those I am not writing.
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.079
I I have to have a like a holiday break.
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.720
I need I need time to kind of get my energy back.
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:42.319
But I come back, I am going to do my annual Call of Duty piece.
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I'm not done it yet, and I'm going to tell you, Call of Duty is getting its uh milkshake drink by Grand Theft Auto, like it's just it cannot bust past being like a fine Call of Duty, which sucks because it looks great.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:04.400
I mean, you know, and it it definitely is not a Black Ops 7 type of Call of Duty, but I don't think it matters this year.
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It's just gonna get it's it's oxygen sucks, and part of that's because these Call of Duty dads are not gonna buy Call of Duty this year, they're gonna buy right the title, they're gonna spend a hundred dollars, they're gonna spend it on something they have not played in like a decade.
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:18.480
All right.
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.559
First off, I I have one more question.
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:21.119
Oh, go ahead.
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:22.880
You ask a question, but I have a question for you.
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:24.720
No, you go first.
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.920
Um I lost my train of thought.
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I I had a question at the tip of the thought.
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Great, you go first.
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I'm gonna remember.
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All right.
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.599
Well, first off, I wanted to start by saying a well-deserved break from the past.
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:40.960
I've been waiting for the moment where you broke, hoping it didn't happen, but you hit this one point where it's just like I need to take a moment off.
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:45.920
And it sucks because you're gonna see a little bit of your numbers drop, but that's just normal and they'll bounce back up again.
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:46.400
That's it.
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:52.640
I think it's a creator life, it's just always like I need to keep posting, I need to keep posting,
but it's just mentally never enough.
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:59.519
And there's actually a book I was just recommended called Never Enough, and it's that whole idea of like you need to keep going, you need to keep going, but you don't.
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.759
Uh, either way, well-deserved break.
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:07.839
Um, GTA, you asked originally to start your question was what does marketing mean to you?
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.519
And then you kind of gave me your idea behind it.
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:11.359
And I think you said it right.
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.759
It's when do I see it on cable TV?
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:22.559
When does the boomer that doesn't watch YouTube or doesn't watch TikTok, when's that normal everyday person, for lack of better words, gonna start seeing, hey, GTA 6 is coming out?
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.839
And I agree with you, football season slash primetime TV.
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:31.200
It's all coming back right now because again, it's my Q4 in my world or the that next season.
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.599
Um, but I think that's the marketing, because again, there's this untapped number.
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:41.440
We don't know what that number of is of individuals that are gonna purchase this once they see it on those channels.
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:55.759
Um, you mentioned it's gonna eat Call of Duty's lunch, and I'm gonna make an argument that it's not, mostly because GTA is single player out of the gate, and you have the GTA or the COD dads that still want to play COD with their buddies.
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:04.480
So it's kind of like uh from seven o'clock to nine o'clock, I'm gonna play some COD with my boys, and then nine o'clock onward, I'm gonna play GTA quietly.
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:12.800
I see them having a harmony together, but you're right, one audience is going to be eaten by the other, and the GTA audience will be the one eating everything at this moment.
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:22.880
Yeah, what I say, like I I would have expected Call of Duty, given the look and vibe of Modern Warfare 4, to be Call of Duty return to form A-tier game, right?
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:23.760
Like this kind of happens.
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:31.280
Every time they have a massive down year of Call of Duty, they come back roaring out like crazy, and they have a massive, huge hit in the next Call of Duty.
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:38.239
I just the data right now does not support that right now, it just supports another middling kind of by Call of Duty standards.
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:46.960
Again, most publishers and or developers would take all of the bad years of Call of Duty and run with that because it'd be the most successful game ever produced.
00:34:47.039 --> 00:35:05.199
So this is like Call of Duty's benchmark against itself, and in itself, it's gonna be a down year because while, yes, a portion of those people are still gonna play it, a portion of those people are also more price
sensitive or more elastic to what's happening in the market, and they're going to save their interest for what's gonna be GTA.
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:06.480
And this is every game this fall.
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.840
The closer you are to grand theft auto, the hard it is to be breaking through.
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.199
Um it's a shame.
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.280
I was in uh I was in Detroit this weekend and I flew home late Sunday.
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:23.280
I got home and I realized that the Call of Duty beta was still going on, so I was able to download it and get like a few games, and I was pumped because I thought I was gonna miss it all.
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:24.800
It's a well-built game.
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.159
I I think it feels like a Call of Duty game in the best way possible.
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.679
It doesn't feel outlandish.
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.840
Uh it felt good controlling the guns.
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.480
Like I hope you're wrong, Colin.
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.280
For for Call of Duty's sake, I hope you're wrong.
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:44.400
I I mean about look, I again I I I hope they know this this year and they have like a multi-mulligan.
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.079
Like it's what do you do, right?
00:35:46.159 --> 00:36:04.400
Um, at the end of the day, if you're Activision, it's you have to put out this game, but you also know that you're not going to, and you're doing the best thing you can by putting as far away from Grand Theft Auto as you can, but also you ultimately at the whim of the market, which is Grand Theft Auto um is going to, you know, it's going to eat your lunch, but it's going to eat everyone.
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:10.320
It's not unique you need to use, you need to every game this fall is just going to see this like suction out, which is what you're seeing.
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.039
And we say all this, Grand Theft Auto is also playing some defense here.
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:23.760
And what I mean by that is what I just kind of spoke about before, is that earlier this week they announced their multiplayer update to the actual Grand Theft Auto online.
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:34.239
So while Grand Theft Auto 6 comes out online or comes out for the single player missions, they're keeping their online community breathing with a brand new update, lots to do in the map.
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:41.920
Meaning they're keeping both core audiences, the ones that only want to play online with their buddies, they're being fed until GTA Online 2 comes out.
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:49.119
And GTA 6 will drop next month or two months, and all of a sudden the single player people that want to eat will be able to eat what they want.
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.599
And I think it's such a great community play by Rockstar.
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.920
They're feeding both audiences until GTA Online 2 comes out.
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.719
And I think they're going to own everything.
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.480
Well, that just tells you that GTA Online 2 is not coming out the day this game comes out.
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.679
I why would you put out your last major update?
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.880
You know, your last, let's say your biggest new thing.
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.719
They like completed the cut, like the um JW Marriott is finally completing Grand Theft Auto V Universe as a casino.
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.920
And it's like, oh, that's great.
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.559
Why would you go through all this if if you're gonna rug pull everyone and move it all to GTA Online 2?
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:22.960
You're not.
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:29.920
So it just tells you that the experience that is Grand Theft Auto VI is gonna be staggered, not all at once, and then there's no pressure to do it all at once.
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:38.880
Like they'll make billions on the launch of a single player, and then they can hold back and wait till they're ready andor feel the need to put out Grand Theft Auto online too, right?
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.119
And then Steam is gonna be its own major moment, right?
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.360
These are moments that are baked into this.
00:37:43.599 --> 00:38:02.639
This like it's not just a one beat for Grand Theft Auto 6, it's going to be probably a multi-year beat-by-beat plan by Grand Theft Auto to both migrate people off GTA Online part one to part two or whatever the next thing is, but also you know, justify the billion-dollar investment in this game, reportedly, that's been put into it so far.
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.480
But you know, that that's that's that.
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:10.559
So it's not if you're a game company out there and you're thinking, like, oh, we just have to survive November and we will get to the other side.
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.880
I'm like, I would I would not I would not expect that to be true.
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.199
I would I would look at Rockstar as what are they gonna do after the release of the single player game?
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:27.039
Because that's what I consider the November releases to be single player Grand Theft Auto for everything else to come after that, it's not a one-shot done.
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:28.559
It's uh funny.
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:37.760
We uh we we clearly state single player Grand Theft Auto and multiplayer Grand Theft Auto is coming later, and we both say that's a smart move and a good move.
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:45.519
And uh my my latest TikTok got about 150 comments, and everyone was so angry at us for saying this is how it's always been done.
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:52.639
This is like I know this is we're just saying how it's being done, and it's funny how outraged the uh the internet gets it.
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.079
Mostly you, you're the uh the hotel, as we call it.
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.239
Oh no, the internet hates me.
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:02.159
Gosh, hate's a strong word, they just really, really don't like you.
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.199
Am I the skip baylist of this?
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:06.480
Like, I just feel so bad.
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:14.480
Um until future podcasts uh start with uh others.
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.559
Um what do you think?
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.840
Do you think do you did you get interested in the online uh kind of the uh the updated GTA 5 online?
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:26.400
Like the the the kind of the the were you like that's cool that they're doing it, or you kind of like it?
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:34.800
No, I mean I think it's I'm not I've played GTA Online when it first came out when I had a 360, so it's been a decade since I've touched it.
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.440
Uh it's not anything exciting enough to pull me in.
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.920
If it's a world that I lived in, I'd be super pumped.
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:46.880
I feel like it's a brand new texture update for like a game that you've played for years, and like I think GTA 5 has done a lot of cool things recently.
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.159
I think they just upgraded everyone who's ever bought it to like the series, the the pro HD one.
00:39:52.320 --> 00:40:04.000
So like I think they're doing a lot of good things for their community now, and I would be pumped if I was still in that universe to go explore it, go have fun again, because it still runs neck and neck with some of the best games we have today.
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:05.679
I mean, yeah, and that's the other thing.
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.559
I'll and we can end this on this on this the section on this.
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It's like all the reports of people who actually went to Rockstar to play Grand Theft Auto are like, you don't understand how this deep this game is.
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:17.440
Like that's everything I saw.
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:23.440
People that got their hands on the game, like the uh kind of funny team and whatnot, are just like, this is insane.
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:33.039
Like, this is putting game development so far ahead, the R6 has now moved so far ahead that people will be chasing Grand Theft Dotto, what they've done for years.
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:41.440
You know, I I hope that's true, but we're also living in a world where your influencer is being flown somewhere to test something or see something.
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:48.480
So so how yeah, I get that, but like I I'm more looking at from the journalist class.
00:40:48.559 --> 00:41:21.920
I if look, if that car go back to that car, if that car chase sequence is how every every car chase sequence is in Grand Theft Auto where you could seamlessly jump between driver and gunner, and you're popping tires and watching unique like red doll mechanics for every car flip, then yeah, uh I've never seen that in a game before where it's not like I think people's concerns are is this a is this a naughty dog slash insomniac games like you know, style press X, press Y, cinematic like kind of uh sequence versus actual gameplay.
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:29.599
And if it's actual gameplay, like you're playing it in a live environment and things could go differently with each playthrough, then that's a whole different game, dude.
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:30.480
That's a good ball.
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.599
I think that's what that statement like it looks like Grand Theft Auto.
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:34.960
I think that's what it means.
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:39.840
Like you just got your janky looking HUD where you can run around and you just feel the way you feel.
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:48.559
Like, even when he uh the uh they showed him playing basketball, I was like, all right, like I could see some of the influences from 2K and how they built this.
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:54.880
Like you can see that they're gonna go deep here uh on a lot of these mechanics and a lot of their learnings over the years.
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.480
Yeah, and like all the naysayers out there, I will give you this.
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.760
Is the main character dude feel like a wet noodle right now?
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:02.960
Yes, he does.
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.639
Um, it he is he is the most underwhelming part of the whole thing.
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.400
It's like, man, you're you have no personality, do you, dude?
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.960
Like Lucia, personality.
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.079
She stabbed someone in the eye with a stiletto and threw him down the elevator shaft.
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:17.119
Like, that's awesome.
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.159
The dude, wet noodle, dude.
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.840
Like, am I not supposed to play as you?
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.400
Yeah, uh he's hiding something.
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.840
Uh maybe, maybe he's the one that betrays Lucia and she's the point of view character.
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.119
We'll see, though, right?
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:34.320
All right, and like and by the way, anyone who doesn't like the story of Grand Theft Auto, look, it's Scarface.
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.639
It's the story of Scarface, it's every Grand Theft Auto.
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.039
It's the rise of a criminal and the kind of fall-ish of a criminal.
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.880
That's the story of every Grand Theft Auto we have.
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:44.639
It's Scarface, the plot of Scarface.
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.800
You watch the rise and the fall.
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:47.519
It's good, fellas.
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.760
Rise and fall, rise and fall, rise and fall, right?
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:59.199
It's the story, it's the narrative structure of Grand Theft Auto is basically all the major crime films that are made, and I expect it to follow the same like plot by plot B.
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.760
Rinse and repeat and repeat.
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:03.440
Well, people love these
stories, man.
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.880
Like, why do you have to reinvent the story that people love to watch?
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.039
No, it's not a bad thing at all.
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:10.719
Not a bad thing at all.
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:18.159
But let's talk about a game that you believe is going to be eaten by GTA, despite me trying to will it not to.
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.320
We're going to be talking about a game called Stage Tour.
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.280
For those of you who don't know Stage Tour, it's brought to you by a company called Red Octane.
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:40.320
That's best known for their guitar hero days, where they didn't invent the rhythm games, but they really made it mainstream with home peripherals that made everything go crazy, people having fun.
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:48.719
And I have some core college memories of waking up my roommates by belting I Will Always Love You and any type of song in any of those games.
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:49.519
I had a blast.
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:50.800
And they are coming back.
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:55.599
Uh, I am going to share on screen here if I could figure out how to do this.
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:56.880
Uh, the set list.
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.760
And I sent this to Colin, and I want to know Colin.
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.119
What is your ideal playlist that you're going to come out and rock the house with when you come out here?
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.840
Um, I mean, uh I am underwhelmed by the song Choices.
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.760
I am I like the artists, but the song Choices are remains to be desired by me.
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.880
If we were to pick nitpick, that's kind of where my nitpicks come in at.
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.119
Like, um, so number one, I just saw them this week too.
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:24.960
So uh that's funny, is Muse.
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.880
I saw Muse this week in the Hollywood Bowl.
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:28.239
So Starlight is number one.
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:28.960
There you go.
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:30.960
Is that the best Muse song?
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.800
No, but are you retreading Knights of Sedonia if you're gonna put it in this game?
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.440
It was already in Guitar Hero as a memorable song.
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.079
Guy, you kind of feel like it is kind of a bit of a retread.
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:41.280
So I get why.
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:49.199
I mean, and maybe Starlight was in the Guitar Hero rock band games I I didn't play later on as they put out like 15 of them a year, so that's probably very true.
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.280
And you know, correct me on that, but Muse is the standout for me uh on this one.
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.039
So that that's a good song, good artist, a plus choice.
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:03.360
And the rest of it, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I can I can deal with like Danny California from the Red Hatchley Peppers.
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:08.960
Like, okay, yeah, and then that would be a fun one to play, it's got a good riff to it, so sure.
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.039
And then the rest of it, I'm like whelmed.
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:11.679
What about you?
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.480
I welmed.
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.480
I am uh I love this man.
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.719
I I will do karaoke for days.
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:18.880
I love your call on Muse.
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:26.559
I didn't think of Knights of Sedonia because no one has 12 minutes to karaoke, but hysteria could be great to be on there.
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.039
But I had a three music set list.
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.760
I'd come out with Weezer, Island in the Sun.
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.800
I think that's just a great chill song to get into.
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:39.920
From there, you gotta jump into some Smashmouth with All-Star, which it's a great song.
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.199
You gotta go with Smash Mouth.
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:42.719
Are you seven?
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.800
I am seven, yes, Colin.
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:45.440
I am.
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.440
And then I finish off with the ultimate seven-year-old song of The Darkness.
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:51.039
I believe in a thing called Love.
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.039
Because it is just a perfect way to do it.
00:45:53.199 --> 00:46:00.159
One of the ones that really was pulling at me, and I just couldn't figure a way to make it work, was Tenacious D's Hit Me Baby One More Time.
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.440
Because I think they do a fantastic cover of Britney Spears, and you should check it out if you haven't on YouTube.
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.920
It is super random.
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.480
But I think the return of rhythm games is something that's gonna be so great.
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.480
I think people are hanging out more in person and having events together.
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.039
And I feel like there's not many great couch co-op games.
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:30.239
I know we have some great ones that recently came out, uh like It Takes Two and Split Fiction, but something you can pick up, like a guitar hero type of game, is something I feel like you can get a quick party going, getting people started.
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:31.519
And I think it's great.
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:39.119
So I don't want to go by favorite song by the artist, but the one that I would say is most fun to play as a video game.
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:40.960
So I want to like distinguish that, right?
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:44.320
Like that's kind of look at the set list, like Blink 182.
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:45.360
It should be damn it.
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.480
Like that's the most fun song to play, is damn it.
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:54.000
Like I'm you know, so the choice with Blink is like great band, wrong song.
00:46:54.159 --> 00:47:03.519
Um, if I want to zag and I
look at like Fallout Boy, um, I mean, uh uh shoot, what's the song?
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:04.960
I'm trying to like come off the top of my head.
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.800
It's the one from uh Dance Dance.
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.280
No, not that one.
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:10.880
Um I'm stumbling on this.
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:12.960
Let me go to my Spotify head open here.
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:13.519
I'll look at it.
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.239
All my son's been listening to is Fallout Boy and Panic at the Disco.
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:17.920
I want to stab my ears out.
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.039
Oh my gosh, Fallout Boy is great, but like it is great.
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:26.079
If I was zagging, I would have done um I would have done the uh I would have done the Spidey song.
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.960
Oh mortals, like immortals, like that's good, yeah.
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:46.000
Yeah, so like I just think like there are more fun songs by these artists to pick, and I'm curious if it's like a rights like cost thing because like you're paying licensing fee for each one of these songs, so it does get out of hand, and there's not even half of it here, so maybe there's multiple songs by multiple artists.
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:46.880
Cool.
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:52.719
Um, but I also feel like it's just kind of again, I go back to Welmed on some of the choices.
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:56.960
Weezer, like there's there's an entire album that's better than Island of the Song.
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:58.239
Uh no, there's not.
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That's bullshit.
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There's a group it's a it's one of their top-tier songs, top five.
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.000
All right, what's your top five weezer songs?
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:12.960
I I need you to go on record on this so I could just kind of give you the side eye, but I want to I want to know what your top five is.
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Come on, someone in the chat here has got to be on my side here.
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.599
Now, to your to your to your credit, I'm looking at Spotify real time.
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Island of the Sun is the right popular song to pick at 1.18 billion.
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.360
So it is a billion play song.
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:34.960
But um, as a Weezer purist and snob, I would say the entire blue album is better than anything they've put out since then.
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:44.079
Um, but um Buddy Holly, you know, Sain Ain't So, uh you know My Name is Jonas, which is actually a good rock song.
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:46.559
Um, to put in a game like this, right?
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:50.559
I could just go on and on in my gar in the garage.
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.400
Again, you said 1.8 billion streams.
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.519
No, no, it's yeah, the sweater song.
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.119
I hate the sweater song, but it's such a stupid song.
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:05.599
Oh, tick tock this internet come at Greg, he hates the sweater song.
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:06.719
I love Weezer.
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.079
That song is just so different than everything else, and not in a good way.
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TikTok this.
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I don't want this on TikTok.
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TikTok this.
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I reg is on the record.
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The sweater song sucks.
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:21.440
Um, which is not the best song on the blue album, but it's not like it's not a terrible song, anyways.
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.039
Where you just come in, the sweater song sucks.
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:26.480
It does not suck.
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.559
Oh, see, look at you doing editing things.
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.639
Um, are there bands you're missing?
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.280
So I think part of the challenge, so I think it's great.
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.639
They released this game in December, they're closing trying to make it the Christmas game.
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:41.760
I have members of buying the original rock band and playing with my family at Christmas time, so could work out, right?
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:50.239
I think with like this kind of game is more like this genre of music that you know is popular in general.
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:55.760
So like rock, rock has uh not been on good times for the last decade, right?
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:02.639
Um now it is making its it's kind of like making its comeback under the guise of country rock now.
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:14.079
So country is kind of like eating the kind of zeitgeist that was rock, but like there's no modern rock band since the 2000s and maybe early 2010s.
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:24.239
Who who come come talk to me about the I I get like the rumor right now that Tamin Paula is gonna headline Coachilla, and I'm like awesome.
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.400
Tamin Paula was a band from a decade ago.
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:34.400
Maybe I look more in the indie scene, but there's Milky Chance, there's Glass Animals, there's a lot of good stuff out there.
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:40.800
I'm gonna say again, a lot of the bands that are quote unquote big or kind of known are also from the millennials.
00:50:40.880 --> 00:51:06.719
Like, I just this is rock's problem in the 2010s, and this is gonna get me killed on the internet, but like it just bottomed out in interest for reasons both with like the lack of the style of music, how music gets played now with Spotify being kind of the main driving force behind it, the old catalog being better than what's coming out now, so having infinite access to every rock song that's ever existed versus being the new rock song that's trying to penetrate that is really hard, man.
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.239
Like, really, really hard.
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:18.960
And I you you know, uh, you're in a we're now in a world
where you know I see Muse and they host the Hollywood Bowl, and that's cool.
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:23.679
I mean, Olivia Rodrigo, I guess, kind of does stuff with guitar, would probably be the one that sticks out in my brain.
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:25.679
It's like, okay, maybe she's great.
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:40.480
Yeah, but we're not in the era of like, you know, like uh Black Keys, like you know, playing Massive Arenas, followed by, you know, and all um um Kings of Leon right after that.
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:46.880
Like, we're just not in the era where like these rock bands are like owning the world is I and even going back to the 90s, like close to that.
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:52.000
We're in an era where it's all a mix of multiple genres, right?
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:58.880
Um, more globalist in nature, and I just like I don't know, a game like this is very much relying on nostalgia.
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:00.559
Um, I love Slipknot, it's awesome.
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:08.719
They do sell a lot of that shows, so wrong song from Slipknot to be known, to be fair, but Slipknot would be a lot of fun to play in a game like this.
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.760
But they're also from the 90s, dude.
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.039
Yeah, but who's buying and who's singing it?
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.920
Who's buying the songs or who's singing the song?
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:33.599
Oh, like yeah, I mean, you're basically this game is its upside, is the fact that much like Spotify is dominated by back catalog music, um, this game's catalog will be dominated by stuff from the infinite amount of music that came out before now, right?
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:35.360
Doesn't necessarily need a lot now.
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:55.280
My just concern is that the style of music that's generally popular is just not rock in general, like it was in the 2000s during the heyday guitar here, where rock was on par with like hip-hop as like the dominant force of music, and you have the the indie slash the the bands like uprising with like the white stripes, the strokes, the hives, the killers, right?
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:05.280
The the bands that kind of just came up in the 2000s, um, that kind of galvanized, and like a lot of those songs became incredibly popular because of Guitar Hero, like France Fernandin, right?
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:10.800
And they take me out was a huge hit because it was like the song in the commercial from Guitar Hero.
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:12.320
I think they remember this.
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:14.800
Yeah, soundtracks were great back then.
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.639
Movies or the games, just the commercials that came out with them.
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.960
I mean, I remember the Gears 2 commercial, the uh Donnie Darko song.
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.119
It's just like and we lost that art.
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:33.840
I made this point last week when I uh was talking about this and like the kind of upswing in like um Elderbrook and the uh Bob Moses song that was played at the end of the Grand Theft Title.
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:40.880
Like, it reminded me like, oh yeah, there used to be songs at the end of these like trailers that were hooks to like listen to the song and then recall the trailer.
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.840
And Anata did the same thing with um with their end of the trailer, and like you just don't see that anymore.
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:54.079
It's like uh not to overuse the term slop, but you see orchestra slop now, just kind of in every game trailer, it's just like bland orchestra music that kind of plays throughout.
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:55.119
You're like, okay, cool.
00:53:55.280 --> 00:54:06.639
I don't remember that song is a hook, and I don't think uh putting a banger song at the end of like uh Elder Scrolls or Elder Ring or whatever or any soul board slop game that's out there is that good idea either.
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.559
It doesn't really fit the genre, but I also think it goes underutilized today, too.
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.079
Like I'm gonna go back to my college days, okay?
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:14.480
Right?
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.800
I'm sitting there in college watching 24 with my roommates because that's what we're doing.
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:25.920
Because you know, every teenage boy is probably watching 24, so you stick the Gears of War commercial there where everyone's watching it.
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.239
Now the attention is spread everywhere, right?
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:36.400
It's like, all right, if you're gonna make this grand, grandiose trailer to a game and it's not a 26-minute Netflix trap, where do you put it to capture that attention?
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:37.360
How do you do that?
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:44.239
It's just we're too widespread rather than narrow focused on a single platform where I think it doesn't make the same type of impact.
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.760
Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I mean, I get it, I get it, I get it, but I also think it helps you break through too.
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:50.960
So I don't know.
00:54:51.199 --> 00:55:12.400
I I showed the data, uh, the song from I went on like Spotify stream growth tracker thing, and like the the the uh Elderbroke, like a uh Bob Moses song, um in her like saw a 6X jump in Daily Listens and went from like hovering around like 100k listens to about a million listens per day since the GTA trailer uh Netflix special drop.
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.719
So it works, it works for those artists, and it probably works for the game, yeah.
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.599
So not nothing.
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:30.639
I'm just gonna and maybe Grand Theft Auto 6 is not only gonna save console games, not only save triple A games, it's gonna save music and games and bring a boom to a bunch of artists who get to be on the GTA 6 soundtrack.
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.199
But will it save Florida, Colin?
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:49.360
Oh man, I look, they'll never show it in the trailer, but I am so hopeful that we get a giant central theme park based somewhere in the island, like where they're clearly making fun of Universal and Disney, because like I you can't have Florida without that.
00:55:49.519 --> 00:56:06.960
You think Ricky Rat running around, just kind of like yeah, they're gonna see they're gonna I I just have to assume that like in some part of that island, once you get past the Everglades, there's going to be an area that's like a theme park, a giant family theme park area where you also commit crime and do things.
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:11.360
But just feels like that's a natural it just should be there, and I hope it is.
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:22.480
Oh, they don't have to make it Disney, they just make it universal, like you didn't just make it a like a generic family-ish friendly theme park and uh the jokes.
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.039
Like everyone that thinks says the game is humorless.
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.039
I'm like, I can't imagine it's gonna be humorless.
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.719
The first show they had all the humor in the world.
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:29.920
How does anyone know?
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.039
They looked at a 26-minute video of gameplay, of gameplay.
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.159
Colin, you're taking on this week off from patch notes.
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:41.199
Let us know what you're getting into this weekend, where people can find you.
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.360
I'm taking time off to do America things.
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:48.320
We get five American holidays, and we're taking one of our five American holidays this weekend with Labor Day.
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:50.239
So let's take the time and enjoy ourselves.
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:57.519
But uh past that, uh, I'll be back at Patch Shows the following week so you can find me on LinkedIn and on Patch Shows, Substack, LinkedIn newsletter.
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:03.519
I'm so jealous that they have a ranking of gaming newsletters, and I'm like, I'm bigger than a lot of these people, but I'm just stuck on LinkedIn.
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:09.360
So please follow me on Substack as I try to grow that beyond a kind of feeder ground for my follow-up newsletter.
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:10.400
Um, but yeah.
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.320
Follow Colin on Substack.
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You can find it on our website.
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.320
We link directly to it, but check out player given.
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:24.320
Send questions to Greg, DM him in Discord, on LinkedIn, on wherever he is, his socials, DM him.
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:31.199
We love to answer questions and input from people that actually listen to this, either on any platform to kind of QA some things.
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.639
I I know people want to argue me, so please just tell him your questions.
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He'll he'll do his best.
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:37.599
Come fight with Colin.
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.719
It's uh it's a great perk of being part of the Discord.
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.840
Uh, we'll have all the information we spoke about at player driven.
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:45.840
Colin, as always, thank you so much.
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I hope you have a great rest of your Thursday for everyone listening, joining.
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Thanks a lot, and we'll catch you next week.
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:51.039
Awesome.
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See you guys.
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Bye.