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Oh, hi everyone.
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Welcome back to Solo Parenting.
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I've got another amazing guest.
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His name is Andy Murphy.
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And today we're going to talk about online threats that there is for children out there that could maybe help us.
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So he is a secure dad.
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He is an author as well as a host of the product podcast, sorry, the secure family.
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He empowers parents to confidently protect their families through practical information, trusted tools, and real-world safety strategies.
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For 10 years, he has offered families advice on disaster preparedness, keeping kids safe online, and how to set up a home safety for newcomers.
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So today we're just actually going to talk about safety for children, and we will try to do another uh podcast on the preparedness for families on emergencies.
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So, welcome, Andy.
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How are you doing today?
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Jennifer, I am great.
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Thank you so much for the opportunity to sit down and talk with you and to talk also with your audience.
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Um, I appreciate what you're doing, and I'm excited about what we're going to talk about today.
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Awesome, perfect.
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I really love this because nowadays there's a lot of children that are being bullied online.
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Uh, they're getting threats, um, and then eventually sad to see that they're taking their own life because they're being tortured or whatever have you.
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So um, how can you protect your kids against online threats?
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Like sure.
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I mean, it's that's a you know, it's kind of a big question.
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You talked about bullying, so we'll kind of start there.
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Um, a lot of bullying can kind of come through either text or direct message on social media.
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Yeah, so the the big ways to help that is to know that if your kids on social media, if they have a smartphone, then there's just an opportunity that this is going to happen.
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Um, it used to be like when I was in school, you know, bullying could only happen while, you know, it while you were actually at the school building.
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And now I hate to say it's it's 24-7.
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And that is really unfair to the young developing mind.
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So, what we have to do as parents is kind of set the expectation of knowing just internally, okay, that this is going to happen at some point.
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What am I going to do to help my kid through this?
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Your children also need to have a good relationship with you to understand that when it does happen, that they're not afraid to come to you and talk to you about it.
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Because, you know, a knee-jerk reaction from a parent may be, well, um, I just got this iPhone and somebody's bullying me uh through the message app.
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And if I tell my mom or my dad about it, they're going to take the phone away.
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And so they will put up with the abuse to keep the phone.
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And that's not what we want.
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So we need to set the expectation with their kid when they get the phone, or even if they have the phone now, talk to them about it today and say, hey, if somebody's making you feel uncomfortable online and they're saying stuff to you, it's okay to come to me and talk to me about it.
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This doesn't mean that I'm going to take your phone away or that we're going to say that, you know, uh you can't have it anymore, that sort of thing.
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And you need to work with them to at least be able to address the problem in the first place because a lot of kids are just going to suffer in silence.
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So when that happens, when that does come to them, just say, okay, well, you know, we're going to either block this number or we're going to bring the school into it if you feel like that's the route you need to go.
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Maybe you talk to the other parent.
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Or um, in the case of my son, you coach them on how to deal with this issue on their own.
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Um, so there's a lot of different options that you have available to you once you're aware that there actually is a problem.
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For social media, I'm a big fan of um the general guideline right now in the US is kids shouldn't have social media till they're at least 16 years old.
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I like that a lot.
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Yeah.
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Um, I was just reading today, uh, another uh parent influencer was talking about how bad Snapchat is.
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Um, that really just nothing good comes from Snapchat for kids.
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Um, so those are just kind of like the general guidelines.
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Let them know that if there is a problem that occurs, that they can come to you with it.
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You're not, you are on their side, you are going to help them, you're their best advocate.
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Um, so that they don't fear you know losing that device.
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Oh wow.
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I would never thought about having Snapchat be
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the worst uh social media.
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I would think like Instagram and Facebook would be something where people are scrolling all the time and you're getting like messages.
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I that's something that just kind of blows me away.
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But the other if we sorry, go ahead.
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Oh, I think for Snapchat it is um the snaps go away, you know, so they think it's temporary, but I mean it's all logged on a server, like everything you've ever done on Snapchat, every comment, every like, every scroll, it's documented on a server.
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So law enforcement can't go back and find it if they need to.
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Hopefully, it doesn't ever come to that, but like it's there, it's all there, it can all be seen again.
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Um, but yeah, I think a lot of people think they can get away with it because it doesn't last forever, so they they kind of feel emboldened to do things that they wouldn't do face to face.
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Okay, okay.
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Wow, that's good to know.
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So if we're gonna kind of backtrack a little bit, like especially like talking to the child, like I know I was really um in my child, my children's life, but there was a time, even though I was open-minded and I knew that I told the kids, like, you know, this is could happen, you know, make sure you reach out to me.
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But part of them still was wanting to hold back and not let me know anything because they're scared.
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And even though I said, you know, like come to me right away, because then we can fix the problem instead of holding it on and then it's getting too late, and then we can't fix it because you got you've kind of lied and lied and lied, and now it's like I don't know what to do anymore, right?
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So that's yeah, that's a very human thing.
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I mean, we do that as an adult.
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Like, I mean, how many times have you messed up at work and you don't immediately go tell your boss, right?
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Yeah, same thing, you know.
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It's um that's a it's a very human thing.
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So when you do have the opportunity to talk to them about it, like whether you're sitting in the car, just say, Hey, I just want to remind you, like, if there's something that's going on that you don't know how to deal with it, I'm here for you.
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And and and just keep saying that to eventually they will come around, you know that there will be a moment, it may be after a lot of things have built up, but as soon as they can come to you and talk to you about it, yeah, then that's wonderful.
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And that's a moment where you you stop everything
and you help them.
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Um, if you feel like your child is being threatened, if you are the parent, you're the owner of the phone, you have every legal right to search that phone and find out what's going on.
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If you're concerned that your kid is getting bullied to the point that they may take their own life, you absolutely get in there, you look at those messages, um, and you you do have the right to take the phone away as a protective measure.
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That shouldn't be a knee-jerk reaction.
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That should be something you sit down and you talk to your kid and say, Hey, this person is continually, let's say it's just uh a Snapchat account that you don't know who it is.
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Yeah, you you you you're not sure who it is, and you're just gonna say, Hey, as your parent, I love you.
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We're gonna delete this app.
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I still want you to have your phone, I still want you to be able to talk to me and your friends, but we're gonna block this person, and then we're all because the chances are the person's just gonna create another account and come after your kid again.
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Yeah, um, so we're just gonna delete the app, and this is really what's best for you, and make this a slow process that you discuss and that they know and that they're on board with before you ever do it, and just let them know that hey, this is coming from a place of love, you know, like also explain it to your kid, you know, like, hey, if you were to walk down the street every day and you get bit by the same dog in front of the same house every day, I'm gonna come pick you up in the car and bring you home.
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You know, I'm not gonna let this continuously happen, and just kind of bring the ridiculous comparison in, maybe laugh about it a little bit, and just be like, oh yeah, of course, I wouldn't want that to happen to me.
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I would want somebody to pick me up in the car and come take me home, that sort of thing.
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So just try to explain it to them, tell them that you're on the same page and um just tell them, like, hey, I see what this is doing to you, and I and this is not what should be happening to you at this point in your life.
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I love you, I'm with you, and we're gonna get through this together.
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Okay, awesome.
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So if a kid is being bullied, but they don't really want to say and let the parent know because they're scared that the person has threatened them if you tell your parents, I'm gonna expose this, so they're now very vulnerable, they're scared.
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Is there signs that parents can look out for?
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Absolutely, great question.
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So um, this happens a lot in extortion, um, where um you know, maybe somebody pretends to be like if you got it, we'll just take it from a teenage boy's point of view.
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You've got a teenage boy, they have Snapchat, and so this person uh pretends to be a girl about their age, and they're sending, you know, all sorts of messages with each other, and then um this predator pretending to be a uh a girl says, Hey, uh send me a picture that is uh explicit, you know, like you know, use your imagination.
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And so at that point, the you know the the teenage boy would probably feel compelled to do it, you know, because like, hey, I think this is a person that this is gonna be good.
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Um, and so they send the picture, yeah.
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And then all of a sudden, this person that they thought was this other teenage girl that they had a relationship with turns out to be a man in another country and who is saying, I'm going to send this picture to your mom, your dad, your friends, it's gonna be posted all around your school if you don't send me money.
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And so that is gonna have a huge psychological effect on your child.
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They're going to start to act differently, they're gonna be sleeping less.
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Yeah, um, they may be afraid to let go of the phone, like they may actually want to sleep with the phone under their pillow, something like that.
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Um, they're probably not gonna want to eat.
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Um, they're just gonna they're this is gonna consume them in a very negative way.
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And they may try to keep that from you.
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And by the way, this is all typical human behavior.
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This is all something that would happen if even if this were a letter correspondence.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that it's the phone.
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This is all typical human behavior.
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Um, and since they have this young developing teenage mind, they're gonna want to say, I don't want to bring my parents into this, I'm too embarrassed, or they're gonna want to try to say, Hey, I'm 17 years old, I should be able to figure this out, that sort of thing.
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And they can't, like, you know, even as an adult, this is a really bad situation.
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So you just look for the behaviors uh they're not sleeping, they don't want to let go of their phone, they're not eating.
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Um, they may they just don't experience joy at the same level.
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That one's actually kind of vague because that can happen a lot for a teenager.
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But the eating, the sleeping, not wanting to let go of
the phone, and then like so maybe maybe they talk to you about this person, um, and we'll say that the fake account was named Jennifer.
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They're like, Oh yeah, Jennifer and I were talking or whatever, and all of a sudden they stop talking about that person.
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That's when you need to investigate what's going on because it could be a number of things, um, but those those things all together cluster, those behaviors cluster together can really indicate that something bad has happened and you need to sit down and have a one-on-one with your kid to try to figure out what's going on from a loving point of view.
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Okay, that's good to know.
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So the other thing too is like say you're on Snapchat and then or you're on Facebook, whatever, somebody sends you a message and you think, you know what, it's all legit.
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I just want to have more friends because you know you're kind of sure by yourself, right?
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Like you think, okay, maybe I'll I can make a friend.
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Is there clues to watch out for, like for making friends online?
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Because you don't know until it's too late that you know what, I shouldn't have even added them.
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Right.
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I would tell your kids, just generally speaking, um, while they're young and they are on social media, you've made that decision as a family.
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Um, don't friend anybody that you don't know in real life.
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Okay.
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You know, so if it's somebody from school, if it's somebody from church, it's from a sports team, whatever.
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Like I have seen this person, I can actually go to this person and have a one-on-one face-to-face conversation with them, then that's the people that I can friend.
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Now, there will be these people who will try to pretend to be somebody who's in your school or have enough friends.
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Um, so a lot of times kids will look at like a profile and be like, oh, well, they're friends with two other people that I know, so this must be legit.
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And so they'll go ahead and add them.
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And even if you add them, that's not terribly a big deal.
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It's just when those um, excuse me, when those conversations begin, that's when you kind of need to investigate, check out who they're friends with, where they say they are, do their snaps match people who live in your community in your area and your age, and tell them, like, if something feels off, yeah, just unfriend them.
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That's all you got to do before even things get weird.
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Um, so you can kind of tell bot accounts, um, even though AI is helping uh create more convincing looking accounts because you can generate images, you can uh if there's a language barrier, um, Chat GPT will help kind of bring that together, but you can still tell like this person doesn't quite act like a teenage kid that I know.
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You know, this this this feels kind of weird, this feels off.
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So, yeah, just tell them to follow their intuition.
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Yeah, I know especially with social media, there's a lot of fake accounts where they'll kind of impersonate even like a famous person or a celebrity and pretend, oh yeah, let's reach out to them, and then but it's actually somebody really fake, and being kids not knowing anything, it's kind of hard because I've had this a few years ago where there was a celebrity reaching out, and me being an adult and have my own kids, and I thought, oh wow, like this person's reached out to me because of this, and then my mom's my actually sorry, my daughter, my youngest, she goes, Mom, that's a fake account.
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And I'm going, Really?
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She goes, Yeah, she goes, Why would they they don't have time for this?
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Why would they be reaching out to you?
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And I thought, you know what?
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That's probably true because they're too busy in their life, they don't have like time, so that's good for you.
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Yeah, that is a great deduction on the part of your daughter, like you know, to be able to say, and number one, glad you talk to her about it, glad you listen to her.
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That's that's that's great communication, that's what you're looking for right there.
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Yeah, yeah, that's exactly true.
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Because sometimes kids know these things and they're too scared to let parents know, or even parents make the the mistakes because you're so vulnerable, you got some so much stress on your mind that you can't even think of.
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Sure, yeah.
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And I hate to say that's a little bit what happens with scammers who try to reach out to like your adult parents, so parents in their 60s, 70s, and 80s, yeah.
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Um, and and they try to kind of hijack your brain.
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That's what they are trying to do.
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They're trying to get you out of your normal reasoning skills, so that's why having a backup like your daughter there backing you up was awesome, really is.
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Yeah, yeah, that was actually that's just one incident.
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And then I had another incident where I had something wrong with my phone, so I reached out to Apple, but it was actually fraudsters, and I had no
idea.
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And they said, Oh, can you go to your local store and grab us um gift cards?
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And I was like, Why would they want gift cards?
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But me being innocent and naive that I didn't even think of it, and then my kids weren't around, and then so they're like, Oh, can you go?
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I go, Okay, I'm back, and they're like, it's like 50 bucks or whatever, and then they're like, Can you go back to the store and grab more?
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And I'm like, Why would you want to do that?
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Because you're an apple, but they got me so convinced that I did purchase it, and I got frauded, and then my kids are like, Mom, like, that's not it, like you're being frauded.
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And my husband was like, Oh, sh uh, shut the phone, shut the phone.
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And I go, There's something wrong with my phone.
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And they're he goes, Well, they're trying to fraud you.
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So the three of them were like, Get off the phone, they're trying to fraud you.
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So, yeah, well, no, that that's great that you have that support system, it really is.
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And like, you know, you've had this experience, you know what it's like.
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So it would be you take that as experience as an adult and you share that with your kids of like, hey, I thought this was going on, and I didn't, you know, I thought it was weird that they asked for me to go back for more cards, and that should have, you know, but that's a yellow flag that you need to look for in your relationships and as you go forward.
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So, like, don't take that information and make it to where you can use it to help your kids make better decisions for themselves.
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So, like, yeah, absolutely talk to them about it, share that experience, and just say, like, hey, learn from what happened to me, you know.
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That's awesome.
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And also for like senior parents that are in their 80s, right?
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Because they'll phone up and they'll say, Oh, I'm your long-lost child, you know, or your long-lost relative, and I need some money because I'm behind bars.
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And you know, people, seniors that are vulnerable, they'll go ahead and send it, and then all of a sudden they're out in thousands and thousands of dollars, and you're like, How could you have done that, right?
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But you know, these con artists are getting smarter day by day.
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Yes, yes, they are.
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And so, like, whether it's your parent facing this or it is your teenager who is facing this, it's not a fair fight.
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It's really not.
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These people are part of a criminal network, they're part of an organization that does this day in, day out, and they have honed their skills, they have practiced their craft.
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And so, no one, you should never make anybody feel embarrassed to come to you about this because it it's an industry, they're going up against an industry.
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So, like, yeah, if if somebody comes to you with this, don't make them feel bad about it.
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Just be like, hey, thank you so much for telling me.
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We're gonna work through this together, we'll figure it out.
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Um, so yeah, this is no one should ever feel bad for being scammed in 2026 because it's just so unfair what is happening, and like these scammers hijack your brain into thinking that you need to do these things, and they're very good at what they do.
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So, like, yeah, it it's it's hard, it really is.
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Well, even like with large companies, like these hackers are all day spending their time on computers to make somebody money, and if big corporations and companies can get hacked, who are you and me?
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You know, like so exactly good point, yeah.
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Because with all of these data breaches that happen, they'll call up and they'll, you know, like for your teenager, they'll be like, Hey, well, teenagers is a little different because they're minors, they don't have as much information, but for an adult, it would be like, Oh, you know, your your data was breached, we bought it on the dark web, so we know your name, address, where you went to school, all that sort of stuff.
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Yeah, and yeah, it can be very hard.
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Yeah, especially for even identity theft, right?
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So, and then they're like, Well, you guys are such a large corporation, you know, you should have protection.
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But the thing is, these hackers are so sophisticated and scamming people that there's really they're one step ahead than you, so they're really smart, I guess, in a way.
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Yeah.
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So the book, uh, so you're on the podcast, um, The Secure Family.
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Is that available for uh Apple and Spotify?
00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:10.559
And I guess yeah, that is everywhere.
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Everywhere you want to listen to a podcast, I'm there.
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Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube.
00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:18.400
So my my show has like two different formats.
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I'll do a solo show where I'll tackle a topic and then I'll do an interview.
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Uh well, I'll I'll bring in an expert who
knows way more about something than I do.
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And so I'll put that full interview up on YouTube and you can watch it there.
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So yeah, I I try to be everywhere that uh parents are to try to help as best I can.
00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.039
Oh, awesome.
00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:39.119
And then you're an author as well.
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So is it the secure dad that's the book, then?
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Yeah.
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So my my brand, my LLC is the secure dad.
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And uh two years ago now, I decided to change it from the secure dad podcast to the secure family podcast.
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Just one word change there.
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And so my book is uh home security, the secure dad's guide.
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And if you go to Amazon, you type in the secure dad, you Find me.
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Um, you'll see the book there, and it's just a breakdown of what families need to know in order to protect their house and order to protect themselves, and it's super simple.
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Uh, it's less than a hundred pages.
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You can sit down because I wrote it for busy parents.
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You know, we don't have you know days to sit down or read a book.
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It's like, okay, dude, like I will I will read this for like three days in the pickup line.
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And it's like, yes, you can read this book for three days in the pickup line.
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So, yeah, if you want to find it there, uh it's Amazon, just search for the secure dad.
00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:32.400
Okay, okay.
00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.960
And if that somebody wanted to reach out to you, uh, how can they do that?
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Sure.
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The best way to do that is I'm very active on Instagram.
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So if you follow me at the secure dad, you send me a message, um, I'll reply to it.
00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:50.559
Um, there's also if you go to my my website, you can subscribe to my emails.
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.759
You can reply to any of those emails because it's just it's me.
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It's just me.
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So, like if you try to message me on Instagram or you know, reply to an email that I've sent you, it's me.
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So I will I'll I'll hear you.
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Okay, awesome.
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Awesome.
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:10.079
So, any last words to let our audience know about anything before we close up?
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Sure.
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I I tell families all the time that your safety is your own responsibility.
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You know, um, our brave first responders will be there um when somebody
calls them.
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But until then, it's up to you.
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So you need to take you know responsibility for the safety of your home, the digital safety of your family, uh, your safety when you're you're out in public, those sorts of things.
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So that's why you really just need to just shift your mindset to understand that this starts with me.
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You can absolutely get help.
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There will be people to help you.
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There'll be people like me who can offer you information to make better decisions, and then there will be, you know, doctors to help you when you're sick.
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There will be the police who will come and help you if that's what you need.
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So don't be scared about that.
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Just own it first and just say, okay, what do I need to do to make my family safer and happier?
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And you'll be off to the races.
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:07.519
Awesome.
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:18.960
So if somebody is like right now overwhelmed because this is happening to them and they just can't think straight, who could they reach out to first so that maybe they can got be guided?
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:26.319
I know besides notifying the police that this has happened, but anybody else on like anybody that can else help them?
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:28.960
So for like uh for like a scam or whatever?
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Yeah, uh like a scam or even like your child, you know, you're trying to do your best, but you're just like, what do I do now?
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:47.920
So there are plenty of resources that your kids can go to if they are being uh if they're being bullied or if there's extortion that's happening.
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If it's a scam, you can go to believe it or not, to the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, they handle that.
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:56.640
Um, but there are a lot of resources that are available online for kids.
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Unfortunately, I am blanking on any of them right now.
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That's good.
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But um, if you just look up the like cyberbullying help, those those results will get you in the right place that you need to be.
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.880
Okay, okay, awesome.
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:25.599
That's good to know because sometimes, you know, when you're like just got so many issues happening that you just can't think straight, and then you're like, oh god, like especially being a solo parent, um, like the mom or the dad, it's like, okay, what do I do now?
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:28.559
It's like, who do I tell or who do I ask?
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It's just right.
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.880
I mean, you can even start by talking to a trusted friend, you know, just to kind of get it out.
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Because, like, if you're on your own, if you're a solo parent, that's a lot of pressure.
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And so it may just be sitting down and talking to somebody and saying the problem out loud.
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Sometimes in that the solution kind of presents itself.
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So, yeah, I think it's just being bold enough to to reach out to the right person and talk to them is is is the first step.
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.440
Okay, awesome, awesome.
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.480
So, thank you for coming on to the show.
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:06.559
Um, so I guess I will be reaching out to you again through email.
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:08.319
So for yeah, absolutely.
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:17.119
For coming back on for preparedness, because I know I was watching the news this morning, and Florida is getting another hurricane or something.
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:18.960
Yeah, there's one in the Gulf right now.
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:19.680
Yeah, yeah.
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So, because we don't know what kind of damage they're saying could be pooling a lot of water, so yeah, yeah, fingers crossed that it kind of dies down a little bit before it hits the shore, but you never know, right?
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.559
Right, and you gotta be prepared.
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:36.240
Yes, well, all right, thank you so much, Andy.
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:41.119
Um, glad to have you and looking forward to our next podcast.
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:43.680
Until then, thank you.
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.119
Thank you, Jennifer.
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Appreciate it.
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:50.960
All right, everyone.
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.039
That was my guest, Andy.
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So I will put his information down in the show notes.
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:05.200
And if you want to reach out to me, uh, you can reach out to me through email, jenenfergle68 at gmail.com.
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:19.920
I also you can reach out to me through my stand store, and I'll put the link in the show notes where you can also purchase my book, or you can go to Amazon and put and purchase the solo parenting guidebook that's available.
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And until the next time for the next podcast, I will see you then and have a great day.
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Bye for now.