Transcription complète de Microdosing for Healing: Kayse Gehret on Psychedelics, Seizures & Self-Trust [VIDEO]

00:05:53,459.62747658 --> 00:06:03,419.62847658 But also, if you're interested, her trainer program, her facilitator program has opened up today. 33 00:06:03,429.62747658 --> 00:06:04,729.62447658 Today was the first day. 34 00:06:04,729.63147658 --> 00:06:06,259.62647658 There's still time to join. 35 00:06:06,259.62947658 --> 00:06:20,199.62647658 You can just catch the replay of the first live session, and there is a bunch of prerecorded videos and education videos, as well as live sessions, and a beautiful group of humans who are included. 36 00:06:20,599.62947658 --> 00:06:24,279.62947658 And there is a special, code. 37 00:06:24,289.63147658 --> 00:06:28,9.63347658 If you'd like to join through me, you will receive $500 off. 38 00:06:28,29.62947658 --> 00:06:34,699.63247658 So, it's a pretty significant, savings that you will receive if you want to join. 39 00:06:34,709.63247658 --> 00:06:42,789.63547658 So you can still join and, um, look up her facilitator training program. 40 00:06:42,799.63647658 --> 00:06:46,159.63247658 It's called microdosingforhealing.com. 41 00:06:46,599.63147658 --> 00:07:00,789.62647658 And when you register for any level of the professional training program, you can use the code Harmony500, and that will give you $500 of savings off any tier of the program. 42 00:07:00,799.62847658 --> 00:07:18,909.62647658 And I am just really, uh, very happy to be able to offer her program to you because, uh, it's an incredible tool to have for yourself and also for others that you are supporting in your world. 43 00:07:19,189.62847658 --> 00:07:24,803.46741597 So without further delay, let's jump into today's episode. 44 00:07:25,328.37650688 --> 00:07:30,868.37650688 Hi, we're here with Kayse Gehret today, and- Hi, welcome to the Finding Harmony podcast. 45 00:07:30,868.37650688 --> 00:07:32,368.37650688 This is your host, Harmony Slater. 46 00:07:32,368.37650688 --> 00:07:34,538.37650688 I'm your co-host, Mr. 47 00:07:34,538.37650688 --> 00:07:35,458.37550688 Harmony Slater. 48 00:07:35,998.37550688 --> 00:07:38,958.37650688 Kayse, I love meeting people with the same name as me. 49 00:07:38,978.37650688 --> 00:07:40,138.37650688 It's great. 50 00:07:40,218.37550688 --> 00:07:43,728.37550688 I'm Russell Kayse, Case, but- Russell Case. 51 00:07:44,238.37650688 --> 00:07:45,198.37650688 Yeah, it's great. 52 00:07:45,208.37650688 --> 00:07:46,668.37650688 Kayse at the bat. 53 00:07:49,118.37650688 --> 00:07:49,428.37550688 you. 54 00:07:49,751.37650688 --> 00:07:50,111.37650688 Bring it. 55 00:07:50,151.37650688 --> 00:07:51,51.37650688 I've heard them all. 56 00:07:53,361.37650688 --> 00:07:56,731.37650688 Yes, actually my, my family and loved ones call me Case for short. 57 00:07:56,768.37650688 --> 00:07:57,528.37650688 Oh, they do. 58 00:07:57,538.37650688 --> 00:07:57,588.37650688 Oh. 59 00:07:57,838.37650688 --> 00:07:58,978.37650688 They call you Case. 60 00:07:59,58.37650688 --> 00:07:59,808.37650688 I love that. 61 00:07:59,808.37650688 --> 00:08:00,298.37650688 Nice. 62 00:08:00,308.37650688 --> 00:08:01,568.37650688 It's a good nickname. 63 00:08:01,801.37650688 --> 00:08:02,338.37650688 Mm-hmm It's good. 64 00:08:02,348.37650688 --> 00:08:03,8.37650688 Yeah. 65 00:08:03,258.37650688 --> 00:08:03,698.37650688 Yeah. 66 00:08:03,698.37650688 --> 00:08:04,148.37650688 It's good. 67 00:08:04,148.37650688 --> 00:08:27,547.37750688 You two were, were just talking about the Boom Festival before we got on- in Portugal, and so I have- Yeah I felt some interesting curiosity there from Case, do you know Portugal? Do you know the Boom Festival? Have you spent time there? I have not, but I've always been curious about Portugal because it was my grandmother's favorite country and place in the world. 68 00:08:27,577.37750688 --> 00:08:28,177.37750688 that's nice. 69 00:08:28,317.37750688 --> 00:08:28,917.37750688 That's so nice. 70 00:08:29,647.37750688 --> 00:08:40,577.37750688 I was just gonna ask- Amazing because the Boom Festival is a, is a kind of a big deal, especially in the psychedelic community, and I feel like that's something that we're gonna bring right out of the closet- very quickly here. 71 00:08:41,67.37650688 --> 00:08:44,357.37550688 Um, w- Harmony just gave me a book. 72 00:08:44,357.37650688 --> 00:08:48,567.37650688 She came back from Portugal and she gave me a book called Psychedelic Integration. 73 00:08:48,577.37650688 --> 00:08:48,597.37650688 Yeah. 74 00:08:48,767.37650688 --> 00:08:52,257.37650688 And the name escapes me off the top of my head, but it's a Spanish doctor. 75 00:08:52,737.37650688 --> 00:09:05,77.37550688 And the Boom Festival is, seems to be quite a big deal for the psychedelic community in Spain and Portugal, where it's completely decriminalized and the advocacy for psychedelics is very robust. 76 00:09:05,127.37650688 --> 00:09:23,186.71184022 And I wonder if that resonates with you or if do, do you know anything about that, that book at all? Yeah, I mean, there's thankfully more and more and more books out there in the space these days as it grows around the world and in public consciousness, and thankfully there's more and more of an emphasis on integration, which hasn't always been the case Mm-hmm. 77 00:09:23,186.71184022 --> 00:09:23,846.71184022 Yeah Yeah. 78 00:09:23,876.71184022 --> 00:09:25,326.71184022 I would completely agree with that. 79 00:09:25,356.71184022 --> 00:09:33,876.71084022 I, Harmony and I have this, this story that we've been telling, that I did all the stuff that you sell at Golden Rule 30 years ago. 80 00:09:34,416.71184022 --> 00:09:37,626.71084022 And, Harmony now, this is our new hobby. 81 00:09:37,686.71184022 --> 00:09:38,896.71084022 This is what we do now. 82 00:09:39,256.71284022 --> 00:09:40,356.71084022 we do this. 83 00:09:40,436.71184022 --> 00:09:41,576.71084022 We do psychedelics. 84 00:09:41,586.71184022 -->

00:09:42,956.71084022 We don't do yoga anymore. 85 00:09:42,966.71084022 --> 00:09:44,813.37750688 We don't walk the dogs. 86 00:09:44,813.37750688 --> 00:09:48,56.71184022 We're just- We do all of those things too on psychedelics all the time. 87 00:09:48,536.71184022 --> 00:09:49,466.71284022 but it, but the, the... 88 00:09:49,466.71284022 --> 00:09:58,316.71384022 I keep saying to people, like, the most profound difference between now and in the early '90s is this integration piece, and the container that people have. 89 00:09:58,326.71084022 --> 00:10:10,6.71284022 Because if you, if you had your mind blown and you were struggling, you were basically just left in the corner of a warehouse- to fend for yourself while everyone else just kept dancing. 90 00:10:10,496.71284022 --> 00:10:14,796.71284022 But nowadays, it's very different, and I wonder if you can talk about that. 91 00:10:14,796.71284022 --> 00:10:29,863.38050688 Because I think that may be, like, the, the block for a lot of people the lack of integration, and simultaneously What allows people to feel like they might be able to do something like this, is that they will be held and contained, and they'll be okay. 92 00:10:30,163.38050688 --> 00:10:34,983.38050688 Well, also I think the difference, too, is, like, recreational use. 93 00:10:35,33.37550688 --> 00:10:39,483.37950688 I mean, we're just throwing everything at you, so you can take it in whatever direction you wanna go. 94 00:10:39,503.37650688 --> 00:10:43,323.37984022 But- Have you done psychedelics? I, we don't even No we haven't even started. 95 00:10:43,523.38150688 --> 00:11:06,493.37650688 But recreational, you know, like, "Oh, I'm doing this to escape my life or escape the mundane doldrums of, you know, existence," versus using it therapeutically or even, spiritually for growth and awareness and development, and those are very different kinda paradigms. 96 00:11:06,493.37750688 --> 00:11:11,516.70684022 Or- So you've been in this, world for three decades, so tell us all about it. 97 00:11:11,546.70884022 --> 00:11:15,256.71184022 Or even religiously, like the Santo Daime, you know? Yeah. 98 00:11:15,476.71184022 --> 00:11:15,526.71184022 Mm. 99 00:11:16,375.71084022 --> 00:11:17,35.71084022 Yep. 100 00:11:17,475.71084022 --> 00:11:21,645.71084022 I would say I work with two different sets of people. 101 00:11:21,945.71084022 --> 00:11:28,695.71084022 I work with people who say, "I would never in a million years thought that I would be coming to psychedelics." 102 00:11:28,925.71084022 --> 00:11:30,835.71084022 They're just not psychedelic people. 103 00:11:30,835.71084022 --> 00:11:31,725.71084022 They had a lot of fear. 104 00:11:31,725.71084022 --> 00:11:32,855.71084022 They had a lot of stigma. 105 00:11:33,375.71084022 --> 00:11:35,95.70984022 I would count myself in that. 106 00:11:35,95.70984022 --> 00:11:36,865.71084022 I w- I am fully Gen X. 107 00:11:36,895.71084022 --> 00:11:42,285.70984022 I grew up at the height of, like, Reagan, just say no, all indoctrination, drugs. 108 00:11:42,295.70984022 --> 00:11:43,355.70984022 all of it, all of it. 109 00:11:43,824.70984022 --> 00:11:55,894.70984022 And then on top of that, I had a grand mal seizure disorder growing up, so I was really made to feel fearful, you know, about destabilizing my mind when they couldn't really explain why my mind was destabilized. 110 00:11:55,904.70784022 --> 00:12:01,344.70684022 So I tend to work with a lot of those people, and I really understand and resonate when people are coming with that. 111 00:12:01,774.70984022 --> 00:12:11,14.70784022 And then I work with a lot of people who, to your point, they're like, "I've done a lot of psychedelics earlier in life, but I could definitely say it was not intentional." 112 00:12:12,913.70884022 --> 00:12:14,523.70884022 I didn't take them intentionally. 113 00:12:14,774.70584022 --> 00:12:15,824.70584022 not at all. 114 00:12:16,174.70684022 --> 00:12:24,954.70884022 And most of the time they had a good experience or they laughed a lot or they had a curious experience, but they couldn't really integrate it. 115 00:12:25,14.70384022 --> 00:12:38,981.71084022 It never landed in their life and reality, so now they're coming to practice with an intentionality and a meaning attached to it and looking beyond the molecule into more of what is this experience gonna be for me? Hmm. 116 00:12:38,981.71084022 --> 00:12:39,861.71084022 It's interesting. 117 00:12:39,951.71084022 --> 00:12:51,861.71084022 That's such a fascinating thing to think about, because the psychedelic experiences I had when I was quite young in life, like 13, 14, 15, 16, And that's, like, THC. 118 00:12:51,941.70984022 --> 00:12:55,631.71184022 Um, yeah, but- Heavy doses of herb it was quite intense. 119 00:12:57,151.71084022 --> 00:12:57,181.71084022 Yeah. 120 00:12:57,181.71084022 --> 00:12:59,341.70984022 Either heavy doses or you're extremely susceptible. 121 00:12:59,441.70984022 --> 00:13:02,881.70984022 Yeah, and MDMA a little bit later on in my teenage years. 122 00:13:02,911.70984022 --> 00:13:30,421.70784022 But, it's, it is fascinating 'cause I don't think it was taken with a, with a clear intention except, psychedelics was always, for me, because I was part of a group of teenagers that were very interested in, you know- The gurus yeah, new age sort of concepts of, like, entering alternate, states of consciousness, alternate realities, connecting with, spirits or entities or different beings. 123 00:13:30,431.70784022 --> 00:13:36,361.70984022 So I was, like, in kind of a, an interesting group of people that maybe most kids don't grow up with. 124 00:13:37,31.71084022 --> 00:13:37,751.71084022 They were channeling. 125 00:13:37,941.70684022 --> 00:13:41,361.70784022 Yeah, like doing interesting kind of things. 126 00:13:41,721.70884022 --> 00:13:54,951.70384022 it was always for me, even though we

weren't doing it necessarily intentionally, there was sort of this background of this culture that we were a part of, of like, you know, reading Terence McKenna and, doing different things. 127 00:13:55,451.70584022 --> 00:14:08,701.70484022 and looking at my experiences, which were quite intense and very profoundly, life-changing, and not necessarily at that point in my life, like a, a positive way. 128 00:14:08,721.70084022 --> 00:14:12,511.69884022 They would've been, like, bad trips, you know, classified as bad trips. 129 00:14:12,541.70084022 --> 00:14:16,211.70084022 But ultimately for me, it was very... 130 00:14:16,271.70384022 --> 00:14:31,781.69784022 It kinda did change the direction of my life, I think, and made me, interested in what I'm interested in now, which is, like, yoga and spirituality and meditation- Mm-hmm and, the energy channels in the body, and the energy outside of the body and inside of the body, and all the things that we can't see. 131 00:14:32,381.69884022 --> 00:14:40,541.71084022 which is kind of interesting to think how, if you can integrate those things, how it does change you in a very profound way sometimes. 132 00:14:41,161.70984022 --> 00:14:44,541.70884022 I would just to say that Harmony and I share that s- that very similar story. 133 00:14:44,581.70784022 --> 00:14:54,631.71584022 I, I'm wondering if, Kayse, you can talk about, like, how did you- Yeah, how did you get it? come up with, like, this sugar cube in front of you and say, "Well, I may have grand mal seizure, but I'm gonna take it anyway." 134 00:14:55,791.71384022 --> 00:14:57,221.70484022 The red pill or the blue pill. 135 00:14:57,781.70484022 --> 00:14:58,301.70484022 Mm. 136 00:14:59,206.71184022 --> 00:15:12,476.71184022 Yeah, I think I had done so many other healing modalities before I even approached working with psychedelics, and so I had a really, really solid foundation of other healing work. 137 00:15:12,476.71184022 --> 00:15:22,606.71084022 I had kinda done all the things, and I met someone who was a cultivator and introduced me to the concept of When was this? microdosing. 138 00:15:22,726.71184022 --> 00:15:23,916.71084022 It's time is so vague. 139 00:15:23,916.71084022 --> 00:15:26,916.71184022 It's definitely before the pandemic. 140 00:15:27,176.71084022 --> 00:15:31,96.71284022 Um, everything's like before the pandemic or before... 141 00:15:31,96.71284022 --> 00:15:32,366.70984022 the pandemic or after the pandemic. 142 00:15:32,576.70984022 --> 00:15:38,36.70984022 and so it was then that I was like, "I can get behind that because I'm not leaving the earth plane. 143 00:15:38,226.71184022 --> 00:15:39,156.71084022 It's subtle. 144 00:15:39,406.71184022 --> 00:15:41,276.71084022 It's more like a spiritual supplement." 145 00:15:41,636.71184022 --> 00:15:43,236.70984022 And I didn't really know what to expect. 146 00:15:43,256.71084022 --> 00:15:51,136.71184022 No one else I knew had been working with small doses like that around me, and so I just thought, "I don't know, maybe my meditations will be deeper. 147 00:15:51,256.71084022 --> 00:15:52,526.70984022 I'll be more creative." 148 00:15:52,566.71184022 --> 00:15:55,956.71184022 That was kind of my expectation, and my seizures stopped. 149 00:15:56,753.71184022 --> 00:15:57,543.71184022 Wow. 150 00:15:57,563.71184022 --> 00:16:02,346.71484022 How often were you having seizures? Mm, by that point, I was medicated, so They would... 151 00:16:02,486.70884022 --> 00:16:06,986.71384022 Largely controlled by medication, but I was having maybe one or two a year at that point. 152 00:16:07,246.71084022 --> 00:16:15,316.71384022 I was having many more before I was medicated, but the medication, the Western meds didn't heal them, obviously, and control them entirely. 153 00:16:15,805.71284022 --> 00:16:20,6.71084022 Were you diagnosed with epilepsy then, or? Technically, yes. 154 00:16:20,6.71284022 --> 00:16:29,846.70684022 I never tested positive, and they never sourced it in epilepsy, but they, since they couldn't find anything else wrong, that's what I was labeled as, and that's how I was medicated. 155 00:16:29,856.71184022 --> 00:16:34,169.04717355 but I believe in hindsight that I had a very traumatized nervous system, Mm-hmm. 156 00:16:34,690.04817355 --> 00:16:44,306.0471735 and it just man- that's how it manifested in my body But how did you know that it had stopped the seizures? Like, you weren't stopping your medication, were you? Accidentally. 157 00:16:44,556.0471735 --> 00:16:49,666.0471735 Yeah, I was just, I noticed after some time that I stopped having headaches. 158 00:16:49,666.0471735 --> 00:16:52,636.0471735 I used to get headaches a lot frequently as well. 159 00:16:53,146.0471735 --> 00:16:58,136.3805069 And I, gosh, I've had maybe one or two headaches s- ever since. 160 00:16:58,299.3805069 --> 00:17:01,259.3795069 Um, Definitely hormone related at this point. 161 00:17:01,289.3795069 --> 00:17:11,669.3795069 And yeah, my seizures, I just stopped, I noticed that I stopped having auras, and then I just didn't have a seizure, and I've been free of Western meds ever since. 162 00:17:12,10.3805069 --> 00:17:12,500.3805069 Wow. 163 00:17:12,510.3805069 --> 00:17:12,860.3805069 Wow. 164 00:17:12,880.3805069 --> 00:17:18,319.3805069 Did you just, like, decide on your own to stop your medication? Did you talk to anyone? I did. 165 00:17:18,319.3805069 --> 00:17:30,966.0471735 I had three different doctors that I was, you know, under their care and supervision, and at the time, all three of them were extraordinarily against the idea of my coming off medications. 166 00:17:31,76.0461735 --> 00:17:33,716.0461735 and it was really disappointing because they were very fearful. 167 00:17:34,236.0471735 --> 00:17:40,596.0461735 Um, they projected a whole lot of their own fear, and liability to- around them. 168 00:17:40,616.0451735 --> 00:17:47,826.0441735 And also

too, I think the most disappointing thing was the sheer lack of curiosity that I experienced of... 169 00:17:48,386.0461735 --> 00:17:50,856.0421735 You know, I would've been, in the same position. 170 00:17:50,936.0421735 --> 00:17:53,366.0421735 You know, you go off and do this, I can't be involved in this. 171 00:17:53,366.0421735 --> 00:17:54,686.0411735 This is your sovereign choice. 172 00:17:54,686.0421735 --> 00:17:55,346.0401735 You go for it. 173 00:17:55,346.0411735 --> 00:17:57,429.0431735 But I kinda wanna hear how it goes Right. 174 00:17:57,439.0431735 --> 00:17:57,979.0431735 Right. 175 00:17:57,996.0431735 --> 00:18:00,726.0421735 as a health professional, and there was no curiosity. 176 00:18:00,986.0411735 --> 00:18:17,931.0431735 Yeah That's interesting That's a very- I wonder if people would respond, if doctors would respond differently now because of the, yeah Explosion emergence of- Psy- so much, you know- The psychedelic renaissance exposure in the psychedelic and microdosing and the benefits. 177 00:18:17,961.0431735 --> 00:18:18,821.0431735 You know, that's interesting. 178 00:18:18,831.0431735 --> 00:18:21,521.0441735 we had a similar sort of story. 179 00:18:21,601.0431735 --> 00:18:32,331.0421735 we had been, I guess you could say, off psychedelics for 25 years or so, and, and embedded in yoga and healing modalities like this, transpersonal psychology and things like that. 180 00:18:32,381.0421735 --> 00:18:47,891.0391735 and then I was at Calgary Folk Fest, and the guy that I was paired with, who I narc'd on, which I deeply regret- passed me some, microdosable mushrooms, which was very sweet of him considering w- how I was gonna betray him later. 181 00:18:48,931.0421735 --> 00:18:52,331.0411735 And then Harmony insisted that we take these, and I was like, "I'm not... 182 00:18:52,331.0411735 --> 00:18:54,651.0431735 I d- I really don't respond well to being high. 183 00:18:54,711.0411735 --> 00:18:56,481.0391735 I've had really tough times with it." 184 00:18:57,91.0421735 --> 00:18:58,611.0411735 And she says, "No, no, we're at the cabin. 185 00:18:58,711.0411735 --> 00:18:59,551.0411735 We're at the lake. 186 00:18:59,571.0421735 --> 00:19:00,481.0401735 We're by ourselves. 187 00:19:00,481.0411735 --> 00:19:02,11.0411735 No dogs, no kids, no moms. 188 00:19:02,71.0421735 --> 00:19:03,221.0401735 Let's, let's do it." 189 00:19:04,111.0421735 --> 00:19:05,601.0381735 I was like, "This sounds like a bad idea." 190 00:19:06,351.0441735 --> 00:19:09,651.0391735 And I was like, my heart was palpitating as we took this little capsule. 191 00:19:10,511.0401735 --> 00:19:17,181.0371735 And then an hour later, I just sort of noticed that I was in a good mood, which was unusual for me. 192 00:19:18,161.0421735 --> 00:19:20,271.0401735 I was like, "I'm never in a good mood." 193 00:19:22,61.0391735 --> 00:19:22,881.0401735 And That was it. 194 00:19:22,881.0401735 --> 00:19:26,341.0411735 And I was

like, "Well, that's really interesting. 195 00:19:26,381.0391735 --> 00:19:28,601.0361735 I haven't been in a good mood for a long time." 196 00:19:29,421.0401735 --> 00:19:32,901.0371735 He didn't realize how, grumpy he was- I had no idea constantly. 197 00:19:33,471.0391735 --> 00:19:33,501.0391735 I didn't know. 198 00:19:33,501.0391735 --> 00:19:38,651.0391735 Just, like, I just normally not happy, normally grumpy, normally kinda whiny and complainy. 199 00:19:38,801.0341735 --> 00:19:43,261.0371735 And, like, I was just like, "This is, this is the nicest I've felt in a long time." 200 00:19:44,517.7038402 --> 00:19:56,917.7118402 That said, Terence McKenna says that there's an endemic of low dosing in our society, and that what we need is our whole society should be really pushing maximum doses of, of mushrooms. 201 00:19:56,917.7158402 --> 00:20:06,798.7158402 W- how, Of course he did what's your What's your, feeling about He was a man in the, born in the '50s, and he's a Scorpio. 202 00:20:07,198.7158402 --> 00:20:08,458.7158402 Of course he said that. 203 00:20:08,818.7158402 --> 00:20:09,388.7158402 Yeah. 204 00:20:09,871.7158402 --> 00:20:10,551.7158402 That's great. 205 00:20:11,101.7158402 --> 00:20:11,961.7158402 I had no idea. 206 00:20:12,178.7158402 --> 00:20:13,408.7148402 Takes one to know one. 207 00:20:13,468.7158402 --> 00:20:13,958.7158402 Yes. 208 00:20:14,378.7148402 --> 00:20:15,718.7148402 yeah, I mean, I... 209 00:20:16,98.7138402 --> 00:20:23,928.7148402 A lot of the, the high-dose psychonauts, you know, kind of poo-poo and disdain or kind of make fun of microdosing. 210 00:20:23,938.7138402 --> 00:20:28,248.7138402 Like, what is the point? And the fact is it probably wouldn't do anything for them. 211 00:20:28,258.7138402 --> 00:20:41,338.7138402 You know, I find the more hardened your mind, the more rigid, the older your mind, but also the more egocentric your mind, the more narcissistic your mind, which those guys had an ego. 212 00:20:41,487.7138402 --> 00:20:44,147.7138402 Well, that's a good sign for me that it affected me then. 213 00:20:44,157.7138402 --> 00:20:44,167.7138402 Mm. 214 00:20:45,318.7118402 --> 00:20:45,988.7128402 It is. 215 00:20:46,18.7118402 --> 00:20:46,948.7138402 It is, actually. 216 00:20:47,378.7128402 --> 00:20:48,78.7108402 So I don't... 217 00:20:48,78.7138402 --> 00:20:52,948.7138402 I think, I think that a lot of times the people who criticize microdosing, they're probably correct. 218 00:20:53,268.7118402 --> 00:20:56,68.7138402 For themselves, it probably wouldn't do much for them. 219 00:20:56,517.7138402 --> 00:20:56,977.7138402 Yeah. 220 00:20:57,487.7138402 --> 00:20:57,517.7138402 Mm-hmm. 221 00:20:57,537.7138402 --> 00:20:58,307.7138402 Interesting. 222 00:20:58,337.7138402 --> 00:21:09,837.7138402 That's really fascinating, 'cause we've always been curious about the difference between, like some people have like, like a hard, like what you say, a

hard brain- and some people have a soft brain. 223 00:21:10,137.7138402 --> 00:21:10,747.7128402 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 224 00:21:10,747.7128402 --> 00:21:15,957.7138402 Being that they're like less susceptible to psychedelics, and other people are more susceptible to psychedelics. 225 00:21:16,337.7138402 --> 00:21:22,876.7138402 What is your experience with microdosing in these two types of brains, and can you tell the difference? I mean, other Oh, totally. 226 00:21:22,957.7128402 --> 00:21:23,667.7138402 yeah? Mm. 227 00:21:23,727.7138402 --> 00:21:25,57.7128402 In personality type. 228 00:21:25,357.7128402 --> 00:21:30,757.7128402 I love this question and I love teaching on this subject because it's something that I had to work with X number of people. 229 00:21:30,757.7128402 --> 00:21:49,297.7128402 I remember working, when I got to the point where it was like three to 400 people that I had supported in microdosing, and I got to see the arc of their experience and, like, their dosing and their personality and their character and what they brought in and their age, all those factors, and I started to see patterns after a certain number of people. 230 00:21:49,297.7128402 --> 00:21:57,87.7128402 And so now when I'm helping people find their sweet spot and their dose and their protocol, it's all these constellation of, like, really random things. 231 00:21:57,97.7138402 --> 00:22:02,577.7098402 It's, has nothing to do with body weight or, like, obvious physical things. 232 00:22:02,637.7108402 --> 00:22:03,97.7108402 No. 233 00:22:03,387.7108402 --> 00:22:05,187.7128402 I have found body weight really irrelevant. 234 00:22:05,187.7138402 --> 00:22:06,327.7118402 I mean, within reason. 235 00:22:06,417.7128402 --> 00:22:14,227.7098402 If it's like a 6'8" guy, right? 300 pounds might- well, you're gonna go on the high end off the bat probably. 236 00:22:14,707.7138402 --> 00:22:19,854.3795069 but can take way more than I can, and I'm like 30% heavier than her. 237 00:22:20,754.3805069 --> 00:22:21,264.3805069 Mm. 238 00:22:21,463.3805069 --> 00:22:22,73.3805069 Yeah. 239 00:22:22,123.3805069 --> 00:22:31,884.3785069 it's very, weight has very little to do with it I'm much more s- we know now after two years on this journey that I'm much more susceptible than she is to anything. 240 00:22:31,884.3785069 --> 00:22:44,393.3795069 So what is it? What is it that makes people more or less like- Soft it's lots of different things, but for starters, I would say, age is usually one. 241 00:22:44,473.3795069 --> 00:22:48,813.3795069 Like, we tend to get set in our ways as we age, so my older brain... 242 00:22:48,813.3795069 --> 00:22:56,123.3785069 So probably my clients who work at the higher doses are my, like, 75-plus-year-olds from New England. 243 00:22:56,764.3795069 --> 00:23:03,463.3795069 Wow I'm like, "You're probably gonna just start off at a higher dose than someone else might off the bat." 244 00:23:03,963.3795069 --> 00:23:08,163.3795069 kids, younger people have very flexible, open minds. 245 00:23:08,183.3785069 --> 00:23:16,113.3795069 It's usually not kind of, quieting their mind, it's bringing coherence to their mind, and just a little bit is all that it takes. 246 00:23:16,253.3795069 --> 00:23:18,953.3785069 Also, how much of a mental person somebody is. 247 00:23:18,963.3785069 --> 00:23:27,93.3785069 Somebody can be very open and flowy and spiritual, but if you have a very active mind, those people tend to need a higher dose. 248 00:23:27,123.3785069 --> 00:23:32,763.3785069 I work with a lot of artists and creatives that are very open and can kind of go into liminal states without anything. 249 00:23:33,183.3805069 --> 00:23:36,283.3795069 And so they tend to work at a low range. 250 00:23:36,653.3775069 --> 00:23:45,243.3795069 I work with a lot of fine artists and painters, and they tend to be very comfortable in liminal stasis already, and so they work at very low doses. 251 00:23:45,453.3795069 --> 00:23:57,472.3815069 Healers that have had a lot of contemplative practice, too, um, especially my female healers, like 60, post-menopausal, they tend to work at very low doses also Yeah. 252 00:23:57,592.3815069 --> 00:23:58,312.3815069 That's so interesting. 253 00:23:58,312.3815069 --> 00:24:09,252.3815069 Yeah, I, I find that I disassociate very easily, and I'll just walking around in another place and manipulating objects in another land. 254 00:24:09,382.3815069 --> 00:24:11,72.3815069 I- That's without a microdose. 255 00:24:11,623.3815069 --> 00:24:12,522.3805069 Yeah Yeah. 256 00:24:14,113.0350423 --> 00:24:15,696.0350423 Yeah, I dosing whatsoever. 257 00:24:15,696.0350423 --> 00:24:16,66.0350423 I do. 258 00:24:16,276.0350423 --> 00:24:20,916.0350423 I think it's a good example of like a lot of people keep using psychedelics. 259 00:24:20,926.0350423 --> 00:24:31,466.0350423 When you get to a certain point, I think the point is you don't need them anymore to, to reach a se- you have a whole new set point and you have a whole new experience of life. 260 00:24:31,516.0350423 --> 00:25:06,653.0340423 Yeah Why would somebody, like, look to microdosing? I mean, your case sounds very, unique in that you were open to trying this, like, and going against sort of conventional medical guidance and just, like, trusting your own self, and that probably comes from decades of, like, doing your own inner work and meditation and really, like, knowing your body and trusting yourself and trusting that you would know if something felt good or not for you. 261 00:25:07,63.0330423 --> 00:25:09,13.0290423 but like how... 262 00:25:09,143.0310423 --> 00:25:21,778.0320423 Like, what are some reasons that people come to you and start to seek out, like, like maybe I want to try microdosing psychedelics? for sure. 263 00:25:21,778.0320423 --> 00:25:25,688.0320423 I mean, it's definitely a lot more today than it was when I was starting out. 264

00:25:26,88.0320423 --> 00:25:30,98.0320423 When I started out in 2020 was the first time I kinda made a public platform. 265 00:25:30,98.0320423 --> 00:25:41,288.0310423 I had a website and launched group programs, and the first year or two it was really mental health was a big one, depressed, anxiety, pandemic years. 266 00:25:41,318.0310423 --> 00:25:45,238.0320423 Everybody was in a different situation and handled that situation differently. 267 00:25:45,768.0320423 --> 00:25:56,838.0320423 And also a lot of people who were leaning on unhealthy things during those years to self-medicate, that they were wanting support in moving with nature off. 268 00:25:56,918.0300423 --> 00:26:07,428.0300423 but at the time, it took a certain person to kinda seek this out, right? So it was a lot of people who had quite a bit of experience with meditation, with yoga, with spiritual practice under their belt. 269 00:26:08,108.0300423 --> 00:26:11,438.0310423 But since that time, it's so diverse now. 270 00:26:11,448.0300423 --> 00:26:27,308.0310423 So I still see all of those things, but I still—now I see everything from couples wanting to work and microdose together to work on their relationship, emotional skill building, resilience, earth connection, spiritual development, lots of different physical health conditions. 271 00:26:27,378.0340423 --> 00:26:30,128.0330423 Everything from c- I get a lot of seizures, not surprisingly. 272 00:26:30,368.0310423 --> 00:26:49,849.0410423 Nervous system conditions, headaches, but also, TBI, concussions, PTSD, um, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, dementia, and autism You know, I, I'd like to come back to the couples piece if you don't mind, just because Sure Harmony and I really are on this journey together. 273 00:26:50,799.0410423 --> 00:27:11,249.0410423 And it seems almost like, especially now having taken, ayahuasca together and, and then DMT, that, there's a kind of a sense of togetherness and a sense of in a p- a particular field of consciousness that a lot of people aren't in. 274 00:27:12,279.0400423 --> 00:27:22,199.0350423 And it's almost like we've, say, converted to Mormonism, together and now we're in this new experience, kinda cult experience. 275 00:27:22,709.0380423 --> 00:27:26,959.0370423 And we've also- shared different cult experiences before together as well. 276 00:27:27,239.0360423 --> 00:27:42,309.0370423 So so interesting 'cause it, not only is there so much opportunity for insight about who we are and why we make the kinds of decisions that we do, but it's also that, we're exploring a different kind of conversation than we've ever had before. 277 00:27:42,809.0320423 --> 00:27:45,899.0350423 Which is so romantic- ...and 278 00:27:45,919.0330423 --> 00:27:59,458.0440423 it's so in- intimate to have, a conversation about the farthest reaches of psychonautical, research, you know? As well as like, well, who's gonna do the fucking laundry today, Absolutely. 279 00:27:59,668.0440423 --> 00:27:59,918.0440423 Yeah. 280 00:27:59,989.0450423 --> 00:28:11,369.0400423 that at all? I'd love to talk about it because I've been seeing it more this year than ev- ever before, and it's just happening very organically and naturally and without intending it, which is always the best way. 281 00:28:11,369.0400423 --> 00:28:21,709.0390423 And I noticed in my group programs that more and more people were saying, "Hey, I'm in this program, but my spouse wants to join me in the microdosing practice," which is amazing. 282 00:28:22,49.0390423 --> 00:28:29,229.0410423 And so they get to have the group experience where attention is on them, and then they get to have their relational experience in their house and carry it forth. 283 00:28:29,229.0410423 --> 00:28:57,189.0420423 So two things that I've seen happen, it's beautiful to watch people growing together because one of the things I would hear a lot, especially in 2020, 2021, is there was this big, It was a portal for everybody, and some people used that portal to grow quickly in their consciousness, in their d- spiritual development, and they often would say to me, "I'm kind of worried because my spouse isn't growing the way I'm growing." 284 00:28:57,559.0400423 --> 00:29:02,969.0400423 And the other sp- and the other spouse was fearful of their spouse changing, and it's like, well, you are gonna change. 285 00:29:02,969.0440423 --> 00:29:07,362.3773756 When you work with psychedelics, you are going to change, right? you can't stop it. 286 00:29:07,382.3713756 --> 00:29:14,122.3753756 And so doing it together is really beautiful because then you're growing together, and you're kind of in the experience together. 287 00:29:14,662.3703756 --> 00:29:29,952.3713756 Also, it's so nice as couples because medicines, especially psilocybin, brings forth aspects of yourself that have been repressed, silenced, buried, and so you get to see these beautiful other sides of a couple. 288 00:29:29,952.3713756 --> 00:29:33,362.3713756 I- there's one couple I work with I'm thinking of right now that they shared their medicine. 289 00:29:33,362.3743756 --> 00:29:46,432.3713756 They were working with the same exact package of medicine, and they're an artist couple, but he's very much kind of the leader, the business brain of the half, very gregarious, very social, very forward. 290 00:29:46,442.3733756 --> 00:29:51,392.3773756 Even when you talk to them, like he's always standing a little bit in front of her, just in their dynamic. 291 00:29:51,932.3713756 --> 00:29:53,792.3723756 And she's the creative. 292 00:29:53,802.3743756 --> 00:29:55,802.3713756 Like, she's the artist, the designer. 293 00:29:55,812.3763756 --> 00:30:00,632.3763756 She loves being in the studio and quiet, and she'd rather not deal with the business people part. 294 00:30:00,642.3703756 --> 00:30:02,202.3663756 She just wants to be in her craft. 295 00:30:02,602.3773756 --> 00:30:05,32.3673756 When they started microdosing,

though, they flipped. 296 00:30:05,552.3743756 --> 00:30:08,872.3803756 They completely flipped, and she's like, "I don't even know what's going on." 297 00:30:08,872.3803756 --> 00:30:10,222.3753756 She's like, "I'm doing sales calls. 298 00:30:10,432.3783756 --> 00:30:11,692.3683756 I'm going out to the galleries. 299 00:30:11,942.3733756 --> 00:30:13,102.3673756 I'm talking to the shops. 300 00:30:13,162.3803756 --> 00:30:15,402.3873756 I'm, like, stretching myself." 301 00:30:15,872.3873756 --> 00:30:19,742.3933756 And he conversely was like, "I feel very inward. 302 00:30:20,32.3903756 --> 00:30:22,402.3903756 Like, my inside is expanding. 303 00:30:22,422.3903756 --> 00:30:23,492.3903756 I'm more thoughtful. 304 00:30:23,492.3903756 --> 00:30:24,512.3863756 I'm more deliberate. 305 00:30:24,742.3823756 --> 00:30:29,932.3913756 I actually like watching her shine and kind of present her work." 306 00:30:29,942.3793756 --> 00:30:33,192.3873756 It was really awesome to see them grow and stretch together. 307 00:30:33,529.3913756 --> 00:30:46,229.3903756 I love that, and I love, like, also psilocybin's so, like, I feel like heart-centered and, like, really brings out so much empathy for yourself and for, like, people around you and life around you, and it's... 308 00:30:46,259.3913756 --> 00:30:55,709.3903756 I think it's such a beautiful space to be in with a partner where you can really share what's on your heart, and, like, you're really listening also to the other person. 309 00:30:55,769.3903756 --> 00:30:58,519.3903756 And so it's like a very nice relationship medicine. 310 00:30:58,999.3893756 --> 00:31:09,459.3843756 It's, it's funny, we- we've been learning and reading a whole bunch, but we've been reading about how, like, you know, LSD has its, as its, precursor in ergot, which is a fungus. 311 00:31:09,959.3823756 --> 00:31:18,729.3833756 Ayahuasca is, is a, of course, a, comes out of the chacruna plant, in the Amazon, and the psilocybin is the same molecule, as, as a fungus. 312 00:31:18,729.3833756 --> 00:31:33,489.3843756 And so there's this kind of notion that really maybe what's going on here is that human beings are fungus having a human experience, so that the universe has an opportunity to experience itself here on planet Earth. 313 00:31:33,799.3843756 --> 00:31:36,509.3893756 And, like, that's really what's this, the game that we're having right now. 314 00:31:37,149.3913756 --> 00:31:39,919.3873756 And It's really kinda wild to think about. 315 00:31:39,929.3873756 --> 00:31:45,989.3863756 It's like when people talk about how you're mostly bacteria, like 60% of the cells in your organism are bacteria. 316 00:31:46,269.3873756 --> 00:31:50,919.3873756 I feel like there's something there with the, that like that's what's happening with the fungus altogether. 317 00:31:52,304.3873756 --> 00:32:03,521.3873756 Yeah, we only like to think we're the top of the food chain Once We're, we're not No, once you die

and you're consumed by fungus, that, that'll tell you right, right away where you're at. 318 00:32:04,611.3863756 --> 00:32:07,381.3873756 Fungus is the top of the food chain. 319 00:32:07,831.3873756 --> 00:32:10,188.3873756 Fungus is the top of the It is. 320 00:32:10,498.3873756 --> 00:32:11,668.3873756 It truly is. 321 00:32:11,778.3873756 --> 00:32:12,278.3873756 Yeah. 322 00:32:12,561.3873756 --> 00:32:22,978.0540423 I know you work with different medicines, so what would you recommend, or what do you recommend for people, like from like psilocybin versus LSD versus, mescaline mescaline. 323 00:32:22,978.0540423 --> 00:32:24,508.0530423 We got a mescaline packet. 324 00:32:24,508.0540423 --> 00:32:24,778.0540423 Yeah. 325 00:32:24,818.0550423 --> 00:32:26,8.0570423 This, I, just forgive me. 326 00:32:26,98.0540423 --> 00:32:28,548.0540423 We, you do have a relationship at Golden Rule. 327 00:32:28,548.0550423 --> 00:32:30,379.0560423 Did I hear that I do, yes. 328 00:32:30,479.0560423 --> 00:32:31,239.0560423 I'm a partner. 329 00:32:31,418.0540423 --> 00:32:33,349.0560423 is that your, company? No. 330 00:32:33,569.0560423 --> 00:32:33,979.0560423 Mm-mm. 331 00:32:34,228.0550423 --> 00:32:34,748.0570423 a vendor. 332 00:32:34,798.0550423 --> 00:32:35,708.0530423 She's a partner. 333 00:32:35,718.0530423 --> 00:32:36,218.0550423 She's a- A partner. 334 00:32:36,228.0550423 --> 00:32:37,928.0540423 Yeah, a partner, like I am. 335 00:32:38,107.8792789 --> 00:32:46,457.8792789 I love this question, and it's really timely now because people have more, to your point, like, more access to medicines than ever before. 336 00:32:46,517.8792789 --> 00:32:50,867.8792789 when I first started, there was a beauty and a simplicity to it because it was like, "Here's your medicine. 337 00:32:50,887.8792789 --> 00:32:56,977.8792789 This is the only one there is," Right We t- we taught people to grow their own, so there was... 338 00:32:56,977.8792789 --> 00:33:04,237.8802789 took some, like, work and personal connection to it, and now, thanks to our sourcing partners and friends, there's a lot more options. 339 00:33:04,237.8802789 --> 00:33:11,237.8812789 So I primarily work with psilocybin, and it still, and probably always will be my baby and my favorite medicine. 340 00:33:11,257.8802789 --> 00:33:14,627.8802789 Um, I love it, and I've worked with it so much at this point. 341 00:33:14,917.8802789 --> 00:33:23,547.8792789 But especially in the last year, we've really been bringing in different medicines because there's so many more people bringing a diversity of background. 342 00:33:24,357.8802789 --> 00:33:33,917.8812789 I said, like, years ago it was just people, like spiritual seekers or yogis or people who've been meditating, um, who are often ready for psilocybin. 343 00:33:34,457.8812789 --> 00:33:39,597.8782789 There's a lot of people coming now who aren't quite ready for psilocybin, maybe. 344 00:33:39,977.8782789 -->

00:33:45,157.8812789 In terms of the amplification, the psilocybin is very forward. 345 00:33:45,567.8822789 --> 00:33:47,687.8822789 Um, it's, it's big honesty. 346 00:33:47,697.8792789 --> 00:33:52,737.8762789 it's very in your face, and it's great if most people coming to psilocybin, your soul knows that. 347 00:33:52,747.8822789 --> 00:33:55,137.8762789 Like people come in, they're ready for big honesty. 348 00:33:55,147.8762789 --> 00:33:56,237.8822789 They're courageous. 349 00:33:56,507.8842789 --> 00:33:57,827.8802789 They're ready to face things. 350 00:33:57,827.8832789 --> 00:34:02,867.8842789 But if you're not ready for that, you might not be ready for psilocybin. 351 00:34:03,257.8842789 --> 00:34:11,767.8802789 And so we've been working with a lot of other medicines that don't have the amplification qualities, like an Amanita Muscaria we work with a lot. 352 00:34:11,837.8822789 --> 00:34:12,77.8822789 We... 353 00:34:12,567.8772789 --> 00:34:13,147.8782789 The red cap. 354 00:34:13,177.8782789 --> 00:34:15,897.8782789 The Alice in Wonderland? Yep, The Santa mushroom. 355 00:34:16,358.8762789 --> 00:34:17,998.8752789 Yes, exactly. 356 00:34:18,48.8782789 --> 00:34:18,678.8782789 Exactly. 357 00:34:19,48.8782789 --> 00:34:24,638.8742789 Because you get all the nervous system benefits without the kind of emotional amplification. 358 00:34:24,718.8762789 --> 00:34:34,538.8732789 So it's a great starter medicine to work with for people who are highly anxious or really are brand new to psychedelics and really don't know what they're getting into. 359 00:34:34,878.8752789 --> 00:34:47,768.8832789 also Wachuma, AKA San Pedro, is a really beautiful medicine, too, that I notice people who have a lot of experience with psilocybin, sometimes they work with San Pedro and they're like, "Nothing's happening. 360 00:34:48,231.8802789 --> 00:34:48,821.8802789 Yeah, that's right. 361 00:34:48,831.8802789 --> 00:34:49,721.8802789 That often does. 362 00:34:49,771.8802789 --> 00:34:50,851.8802789 Yeah, it was like, what... 363 00:34:50,851.8802789 --> 00:34:54,241.8802789 I just, you know, I feel open and aware and- You're like, I don't understand." 364 00:34:54,261.8802789 --> 00:34:56,351.8802789 When do I start tripping? Mm. 365 00:34:56,821.8802789 --> 00:34:58,571.8802789 Or feeling something, anything. 366 00:34:59,728.8802789 --> 00:35:00,678.8802789 Yes. 367 00:35:00,688.8802789 --> 00:35:03,248.8802789 It's much more of a lean back medicine. 368 00:35:03,358.8802789 --> 00:35:09,838.8802789 Psilocybin is very much in your face and, like, if you don't listen to it, it'll just find another way and kinda keep coming and keep coming. 369 00:35:10,988.8792789 --> 00:35:16,748.8792789 San Pedro loves you to come to your own experience, and it kind of is background. 370 00:35:16,758.8792789 --> 00:35:31,908.8782789 And I'm actually w- I have a program right now for human design projectors exclusively working with wachuma Oh, it's such a soft, subtle background medicine that really suits projector, human design projector energy. 371 00:35:32,338.8812789 --> 00:35:38,108.8792789 So that's been really interesting to witness, and then we also work with LSD, um, as well. 372 00:35:38,315.8802789 --> 00:35:53,5.8802789 on, on that point before you go onto LSD, I just wanna say that we noticed in Hamilton Morris's, documentary on peyote, which is the same molecule, the mescaline molecule that's in Huachuma and San Pedro, that we watched it and it was like, "Yeah, these guys are not... 373 00:35:53,235.8802789 --> 00:35:54,645.8802789 They're eating a lot of buttons." 374 00:35:55,115.8792789 --> 00:35:59,695.8792789 Like, they're eating, like, a gigantic basket of buttons, and they're not getting very high. 375 00:36:00,155.8802789 --> 00:36:00,905.8802789 And we noticed that. 376 00:36:00,905.8802789 --> 00:36:03,615.8792789 It's like, "Oh, they're just becoming more expansive." 377 00:36:04,455.8792789 --> 00:36:06,285.8792789 And, like, that's really lovely. 378 00:36:06,505.8792789 --> 00:36:19,545.8812789 That's a really lovely place to be, especially, say, if you're in a kind of a wounded, traumatic space and you want to feel grateful and not angry anymore, which is maybe something in the N- in the Native American church that might be important to them. 379 00:36:20,576.8802789 --> 00:36:21,106.8802789 Mm-hmm. 380 00:36:21,586.8802789 --> 00:36:22,86.8802789 Yeah. 381 00:36:22,226.8802789 --> 00:36:34,216.8792789 It absolutely has that wise elder kind of chief energy that kind of lets you mess up a few times on your own before you come, to your own realizations. 382 00:36:34,276.8792789 --> 00:36:34,626.8792789 Yeah. 383 00:36:34,636.8802789 --> 00:36:38,196.8802789 Versus psilocybin just kinda lays it straight out for you to see. 384 00:36:38,849.8802789 --> 00:36:39,959.8802789 A li- a little bit- Yeah. 385 00:36:39,969.8802789 --> 00:36:40,599.8802789 stronger. 386 00:36:40,719.8802789 --> 00:36:41,229.8802789 Yeah. 387 00:36:41,329.8802789 --> 00:36:42,589.8802789 DMT is a big one. 388 00:36:42,739.8802789 --> 00:36:43,929.8802789 what about LSD? Yeah. 389 00:36:43,929.8802789 --> 00:36:47,209.8792789 How is it different? I love LSD medicine. 390 00:36:47,209.8792789 --> 00:36:48,629.8792789 So I was really resistant. 391 00:36:48,639.8792789 --> 00:36:53,609.8792789 I was one of those people that was really resistant because it was synthetic, and I was like, "Oh, I only work with natural medicine. 392 00:36:53,669.8792789 --> 00:36:54,799.8792789 I only work with natural medicines." 393 00:36:54,799.8792789 --> 00:36:57,349.8782789 And then I realized that it is a natural medicine. 394 00:36:57,729.8792789 --> 00:37:01,702.2116123 It's just like a lot of things, we manipulate it and synthesize it, Yeah. 395 00:37:01,743.2116123 --> 00:37:04,573.2116123 is a natural medicine that's highly synthesized. 396 00:37:04,963.2116123 -->

00:37:06,833.2116123 So are poodles, by the way. 397 00:37:08,932.2106123 --> 00:37:09,592.2106123 Yes. 398 00:37:09,732.2116123 --> 00:37:10,612.2116123 Precisely. 399 00:37:10,652.2116123 --> 00:37:11,792.2106123 That are awesome too. 400 00:37:11,922.2106123 --> 00:37:12,702.2106123 All awesome. 401 00:37:13,2.2106123 --> 00:37:13,22.2106123 Yeah. 402 00:37:13,831.2096123 --> 00:37:24,481.2086123 and so when I finally did, I had a really interesting experience the first time microdosing LSD because when it came in, it was intuitive and it was very strong, and I was like, "No, I don't, I don't want that. 403 00:37:24,481.2096123 --> 00:37:25,211.2086123 I don't need that." 404 00:37:25,231.2096123 --> 00:37:32,651.2106123 And when I finally relented, I was coming through a really heavy portal in life, just releasing a lot of grief. 405 00:37:32,661.2096123 --> 00:37:34,201.2096123 It was the winter season. 406 00:37:34,211.2096123 --> 00:37:44,131.2076123 It was cold and wet and damp, and I was really having a bit of a hard time, and I was just starting to come through the other side of that when I started microdosing LSD. 407 00:37:44,561.2076123 --> 00:37:50,281.2106123 And as soon as I started, I was like, this is why," because it was such a different experience working with psilocybin. 408 00:37:50,561.2076123 --> 00:38:02,41.2066123 Psilocybin is great to get into things, like a- if you, like, wanna get into the shadow and into the dark and into the space and, like, Scorpios are very comfortable hanging out there. 409 00:38:02,581.2116123 --> 00:38:09,771.2066123 And it really taught me that, like, we have as much to heal from lightness and play and levity and laughter. 410 00:38:09,771.2066123 --> 00:38:14,241.2086123 And LSD just left me feeling buoyant and happy, and I was just spending... 411 00:38:14,281.2086123 --> 00:38:23,511.2106123 I was, like, more playful in life, in my groups and my calls, just holding a v- lighter frequency, and it was so healing. 412 00:38:23,541.2106123 --> 00:38:31,651.2076123 It was so healing, and so I really bring it in more, especially for my clients who, like, really love to do the, the shadow work and the hard, heavy work. 413 00:38:32,1.2096123 --> 00:38:33,131.2076123 It's like you... 414 00:38:33,281.2086123 --> 00:38:37,590.2106123 Yes, you've done the earth, and now you get to heal with the sky a little Yeah. 415 00:38:38,10.2106123 --> 00:38:45,730.2106123 We had a friend who was a psychonaut who was in, actually in Rick Strassman's DMT study in Arizona in the '90s. 416 00:38:46,40.2106123 --> 00:38:54,100.2106123 He said to us that, that he felt that LSD kind of gave birth to the '60s because it gave birth to irony. 417 00:38:55,0.2096123 --> 00:39:02,860.2106123 And there's nothing more '60s than people making fun of the ridiculousness and the hypocrisy of their society. 418 00:39:03,120.2106123 --> 00:39:08,600.2086123 That's, you know, Wavy Gravy and Abbie Hoffman and

the Chicago Eight. 419 00:39:08,640.2096123 --> 00:39:15,411.2106123 Like, all those guys were just ridiculous, and, like, that's kind of, the identity of that period Yeah. 420 00:39:15,461.2106123 --> 00:39:18,911.2106123 We're moving into another transit very similarly, interestingly. 421 00:39:18,931.2106123 --> 00:39:28,358.2106123 Astrologically, we're right now entering a transit that patterns, 1965 and 1966 Well, now this conversation can go in a very different direction. 422 00:39:29,728.2106123 --> 00:39:53,758.2096123 I had kind of explained it that way too, and I don't know if it was a, one of our friends who spoke to us about this or where I picked this up, but the, the idea of like when you look at medicine and where it comes from and how it was created, and like the mushrooms grow out of the darkness and they grow in the darkness, and it's It is very, like as you say, it takes you into the depth of your being in some way. 423 00:39:54,58.2096123 --> 00:40:02,838.2076123 But- Whereas- Ergot comes out of the wheat ergot, yeah, and it grows in the light- Mm and it's very- Ergot being the- sunshiny precursor to LSD, yeah. 424 00:40:03,248.2086123 --> 00:40:10,888.2116123 And that was very much, like my own personal- Uh-huh experience with those two medicines too, and, yeah, it was- People laugh so goddamn hard at the sun. 425 00:40:11,893.2116123 --> 00:40:12,743.2116123 Yeah. 426 00:40:12,753.2116123 --> 00:40:13,523.2116123 No, definitely. 427 00:40:13,523.2116123 --> 00:40:14,763.2116123 I found that with Huachuma. 428 00:40:14,773.2116123 --> 00:40:22,768.2106123 When I work with Huachuma, I just wanna be in the sun, outside in the wide-open sky, and it's like, yeah Yeah. 429 00:40:22,768.2106123 --> 00:40:36,438.2126123 And- Like you kind of, i- i- it, you take on sort of the, the frequency of the medicine- Mm-hmm or the, the frequency of the medicine kind of invites you to, become, you know, in, in sync with it in some way. 430 00:40:37,288.2176123 --> 00:40:51,18.2156123 I wanna ask you another question about microdosing, because we're talking about microdosing, but maybe people listening, don't really understand that there's a pattern and a consistency and something behind it. 431 00:40:51,18.2156123 --> 00:40:53,178.2136123 What's the difference? That's, that's the question. 432 00:40:53,178.2186123 --> 00:40:58,545.2186123 What's the difference between doing like a macrodose versus a microdose? Yes. 433 00:40:58,545.2186123 --> 00:41:09,895.2186123 very different and great question, 'cause a lot of people ask, like, "Well, can't you just do this on your own or just take a little bit? Like, does it have to be a structured, formalized thing?" And I think, I mean, yes, you can. 434 00:41:09,895.2186123 --> 00:41:23,655.2176123 I microdosed on my own when I was first starting out and had no idea what I was doing, and still it was great experience, right? But I think when you have structure, just the human mind and

our nature just benefits at the beginning of almost anything. 435 00:41:23,665.2176123 --> 00:41:33,575.2196123 Like, if you start a meditation practice or a yoga practice, doing it consistently every day or at least five days a week at the start to really connect with the practice. 436 00:41:33,605.2176123 --> 00:41:42,225.2186123 Like, once you do a practice over and over and over again, ultimately you become the practice, and you don't really need to sit on the cushion every day to be in that state. 437 00:41:42,265.2176123 --> 00:41:45,715.2186123 You can just shift into that state without doing it. 438 00:41:45,715.2186123 --> 00:41:56,445.2156123 And so that's how ultimately you work with a protocol until you don't need a protocol, and you're connected with the medicine, and you intuitively dose after that. 439 00:41:56,455.2166123 --> 00:42:02,45.2166123 And then ultimately, you can kind of be with the medicine without working with the medicine, if that makes sense. 440 00:42:02,902.2186123 --> 00:42:15,572.2186123 That's so great- Yeah 'cause I was, that's exactly the question I was gonna ask, is that right now we're, uh, in a culture with ayahuasca, and we're exploring this, and we're having great success there. 441 00:42:15,572.2186123 --> 00:42:19,972.2186123 And, and for the, those at home, know that ayahuasca isn't screwing around. 442 00:42:21,32.2186123 --> 00:42:24,962.2196123 It is a, like, very s- it's like taking a heroic dose of psilocybin. 443 00:42:24,962.2196123 --> 00:42:26,962.2186123 That is- It's not a microdose. 444 00:42:26,972.2196123 --> 00:42:27,472.2196123 It is not a microdose. 445 00:42:27,482.2196123 --> 00:42:31,132.2176123 Although I have heard that people have microdosed ayahuasca. 446 00:42:31,132.2176123 --> 00:42:37,402.2166123 But it's like, you know, a five It's like the five to eight range, maybe even a bit more, of grams of mushrooms. 447 00:42:37,422.2186123 --> 00:42:38,542.2156123 that was in my experience. 448 00:42:39,62.2176123 --> 00:42:47,412.2146123 So I'm having great success there, h- a- and great evolution and real insight. 449 00:42:47,442.2116123 --> 00:42:52,322.2146123 And at a certain point, I wonder, like, "Well, when am I gonna stop doing this?" Yeah. 450 00:42:52,322.2146123 --> 00:42:55,572.2126123 Well, it's not something you're gonna do every week, either- Well, no typically. 451 00:42:55,612.2136123 --> 00:42:55,752.2116123 no. 452 00:42:55,852.2136123 --> 00:42:56,712.2116123 People do. 453 00:42:56,972.2126123 --> 00:43:00,992.2136123 But, you know, ayahuasceros in Peru do take it three to, three times a week. 454 00:43:00,992.2136123 --> 00:43:16,15.2116123 But, you know, I'm, I'm looking at it, like, three times a year, and like, am I gonna do this the rest of my life? I feel like I'm getting great insight out of it, but, like, at what point am I just, as you were saying, just able to just ride the bicycle by myself? Yeah. 455 00:43:16,855.2116123 --> 00:43:17,735.2116123 Exactly. 456 00:43:17,785.2116123 --> 00:43:36,295.2106123 Yeah, I mean, I think part of the, your success with it today is because you've had a long runway of working with the medicines leading up to, and so that supports you in your high-dose experiences later, and that's my hope for people now that, like, more of the masses and the mainstream are coming to psychedelic practice. 457 00:43:36,815.2106123 --> 00:43:45,725.2106123 I think for 99% of people, like, starting with microdosing is the best way to go because you can slowly, subtly get into relationship with the medicine. 458 00:43:45,725.2106123 --> 00:44:07,525.2066123 You're not gonna s- open up a Pandora's box with a whole bunch of big truth that you are not ready for, that you're not resourced for, and then the more that you lay a foundation, the more you're hopefully gonna have a really beautiful experience that you can navigate skillfully and move through liminal states and also integrate what you're receiving in that journey. 459 00:44:08,800.2076123 --> 00:44:09,780.2076123 I completely agree with you. 460 00:44:09,780.2076123 --> 00:44:29,500.2066123 I think for 90% of the people, just getting out of a depressive, pattern with, with microdosing and not even, you know, seeing funny lights or having a giggle, but just like, "Oh, I don't feel bad anymore, and I don't feel like I need to have a drink at the end of the night or a bottle at the end of the night to get me through to tomorrow." 461 00:44:31,945.2076123 --> 00:44:32,435.2076123 Yes. 462 00:44:32,765.2076123 --> 00:44:33,535.2076123 I love it. 463 00:44:33,555.2076123 --> 00:44:35,915.2076123 I had to be microdosing. 464 00:44:35,915.2076123 --> 00:44:42,974.2076123 It's kind of a Trojan horse for like shifting your entire mindset around the way we heal, Yeah. 465 00:44:43,35.2076123 --> 00:44:52,725.2076123 we're so conditioned by the pharmaceutical models that we need to do this thing external to ourselves before we can be complete, before we can heal. 466 00:44:53,245.2066123 --> 00:45:04,85.2056123 And microdosing really, because it's so new to people, it's an experience most people haven't ever felt before, it's an opportunity to realize like you're doing the healing. 467 00:45:04,834.2076123 --> 00:45:05,84.2076123 Mm-hmm. 468 00:45:05,155.2066123 --> 00:45:06,855.2056123 You're innately doing the healing. 469 00:45:06,855.2076123 --> 00:45:09,825.2066123 And so when I stopped, to use myself as an example, I... 470 00:45:09,845.2056123 --> 00:45:15,935.2076123 When I stopped microdosing, I was like, "Are my seizures gonna come back? Are they gonna come back?" And they've never come back. 471 00:45:16,335.2066123 --> 00:45:19,135.2056123 And I'll go long, long periods of time without microdosing. 472 00:45:19,135.2066123 --> 00:45:24,365.2046123 And many clients since then I've seen it really, it's your own healing. 473 00:45:24,655.2056123 --> 00:46:08,122.2056123 It's just

Earth helps you give you that, that assist that you need to reset yourself so that your body can just do what it does and heal Yeah, I think that's like a really profound what you're saying, and probably a question that maybe someone's thinking is like, what is, you know, isn't this just like, you know, we say that it's sort of different than pharmaceuticals, but when you're microdosing, say you're taking a microdose and then, you know, say a typical schedule of, three days rest and then taking a microdose and then three days rest, maybe you're doing that for a month and then you're taking a week or two off and then starting again the protocol. 474 00:46:08,142.2036123 --> 00:46:18,495.2056123 So when you're having this protocol, like what makes it different than like a pharmaceutical drug where it's sort of like you're on it for the rest of your life? Yes. 475 00:46:18,835.2056123 --> 00:46:34,445.2056123 I think that's happening more, that decondition is, we're needing more of that now as more and more people coming to it because it's being presented as an apples to apples alternative to antidepressants often, is just swap this out when the way it works is so completely different. 476 00:46:34,455.2056123 --> 00:46:45,375.2046123 And as soon as you step into practice, you know that instead of antidepressants numb you and take you further away from yourself, whereas psilocybin brings you straight home to yourself. 477 00:46:45,375.2046123 --> 00:47:06,635.2026123 It can be very uncomfortable if you were expecting not to feel or just to or just to feel happier, because oftentimes if you haven't worked with psychedelics before, you need to move through layers of fatigue, malaise, grief, irritability, crankiness, anger until you get to that new set point. 478 00:47:06,645.2046123 --> 00:47:09,595.2026123 So it's, it just works entirely different. 479 00:47:09,865.2026123 --> 00:47:34,56.8722789 And so it's important to have a guide or a facilitator to help you educate that you're not doing it wrong, and this is just things coming up for release to enable you to get to a new natural set point I think that's so important because I think sometimes, especially if people haven't, you know, microdosed or taken psychedelics before, they think, "Oh, I'm just gonna laugh and have a good time," or, "I'm just gonna automatically feel happy." 480 00:47:34,486.8732789 --> 00:47:38,106.8722789 But I mean- But you're lying there just sobbing- Yeah. 481 00:47:38,606.8722789 --> 00:47:40,256.8722789 and feeling great about it. 482 00:47:40,821.8732789 --> 00:47:41,956.8732789 Yes Yeah. 483 00:47:42,6.8732789 --> 00:47:55,373.5399456 Yeah, like one of the first times I remember taking psilocybin, I was just like, like really like going through in my mind and feeling all of these things that I hadn't cried about, and just like cri- like sobbing. 484 00:47:55,383.5389456 --> 00:47:55,413.5389456 Yeah, yeah. 485 00:47:55,413.5389456 --> 00:47:57,363.5399456

Like, hardcore crying. 486 00:47:57,643.5409456 --> 00:47:58,693.5399456 And it feels so good. 487 00:47:58,693.5399456 --> 00:48:08,533.5399456 And I was just like, "Oh my gosh, this feels so good- Yeah to be just like really feeling how hurtful this all was," you know? Whatever. 488 00:48:10,763.5399456 --> 00:48:15,33.5379456 And then it's like it's such a profound cathartic release. 489 00:48:15,463.5399456 --> 00:48:19,493.5389456 But you don't automatically necessarily just like avoid the suffering. 490 00:48:19,493.5389456 --> 00:48:21,963.5389456 You kinda get to go deep into it. 491 00:48:22,3.5379456 --> 00:48:27,843.5359456 Like your, like your s- like our sister-in-law said to us, like, "Look, I don't wanna have an un-fun time." 492 00:48:28,863.5379456 --> 00:48:30,73.5349456 That's why she doesn't do psychedelics. 493 00:48:31,463.5349456 --> 00:48:33,621.0339456 It's like, no, it's really great insight." 494 00:48:33,811.0369456 --> 00:48:35,231.0379456 But it's like it's not fun. 495 00:48:35,231.0379456 --> 00:48:36,981.0349456 It's like, "Well, I don't wanna have un-fun." 496 00:48:40,170.0369456 --> 00:48:49,570.0369456 It's funny, when I talk to people in the space sometimes, especially the researchers and the clinicians, and I was with a, a whole bunch of psychiatrists one night and asked... 497 00:48:49,570.0369456 --> 00:48:58,540.0369456 We were going around saying what is our favorite psychedelic and our least favorite psychedelic, and psilocybin, psilocybin was their least favorite of all of them, of all the MDs. 498 00:48:58,540.0369456 --> 00:49:06,90.0359456 And when I asked them why that is, an un-fun they don't wanna have an un-fun time Nailed it. 499 00:49:06,360.0359456 --> 00:49:07,971.0369456 Yeah That's hilarious. 500 00:49:07,971.0369456 --> 00:49:10,101.0369456 And- That's funny- Oh 'cause I'm with you. 501 00:49:10,111.0369456 --> 00:49:12,21.0369456 That's like my fa- that's like my baby. 502 00:49:12,31.0369456 --> 00:49:12,301.0369456 Yeah. 503 00:49:12,341.0369456 --> 00:49:22,921.0369456 If you could give us a Friday afternoon and maybe, and, you know, we've had a little bit of a fast, and we wrap ourselves up in a blanket and just hug each other for about five hours. 504 00:49:23,491.0359456 --> 00:49:26,201.0369456 What an un-fun time it sounds like. 505 00:49:26,631.0369456 --> 00:49:27,741.0369456 But amazing. 506 00:49:27,751.0359456 --> 00:49:36,711.0369456 Amazingly transformative, and you come out of it with so much gratitude for the earth- and gratitude for your family, and gratitude for the, your trip sitters, these two little poodles that we have. 507 00:49:37,491.0359456 --> 00:49:39,507.7016123 You know, that's a great date for us. 508 00:49:39,697.7036123 --> 00:49:40,647.7036123 Great date. 509 00:49:42,107.7036123 --> 00:49:48,897.7016123 If someone's curious, where do you start with them? They're sort of like thinking, "Oh, this sounds interesting. 510 00:49:48,897.7036123 --> 00:49:49,887.7026123 I'm curious." 511 00:49:51,13.3702789 --> 00:49:54,283.3702789 I love long intake sessions with my clients. 512 00:49:54,283.3702789 --> 00:50:12,693.3692789 So for my group or my one-on-one clients, I spend a long time with people, usually an hour, 75 minutes on our very first call, and go through all the predictable things, right? But I'm really assessing, um, how resourced they are, like what is the 360 of their life and their circumstances, because all of that... 513 00:50:13,143.3702789 --> 00:50:25,623.3702789 The pharmaceutical model thinks like you're just a brain floating around in the universe, separate from all of your experiences And so I like to hear all of the factors that are in somebody else's life. 514 00:50:25,653.3682789 --> 00:50:36,973.3682789 And another thing I love to ask people that I think working with psilocybin, it's very telling, is trying to get a handle on how much fear somebody has in their body. 515 00:50:37,823.3672789 --> 00:50:44,773.3662789 That's a big determining factor, not only in dosing, but how they're experiencing it, how their experience is gonna go. 516 00:50:45,93.3672789 --> 00:50:50,463.3662789 I find people a lot of times are summoned to psilocybin almost in spite of themselves. 517 00:50:50,743.3692789 --> 00:50:52,883.3682789 They're like, "I, I put it off and it keeps coming. 518 00:50:52,883.3682789 --> 00:50:55,213.3672789 I keep hearing about it, and I keep getting called to it." 519 00:50:55,713.3662789 --> 00:51:08,723.3692789 And there's a, a readiness to someone's soul when they're ready to really step into that work, and so they tend to have a courage in them that's kind of bigger than their fear or their hesitancy. 520 00:51:09,93.3712789 --> 00:51:10,983.3712789 But I find it, it can be... 521 00:51:11,663.3712789 --> 00:51:22,253.3632789 Mm, it's a good gauge for if somebody's going to, run a little bit from the experience into their mind or into the external world. 522 00:51:22,523.3652789 --> 00:51:22,953.3652789 Yeah. 523 00:51:22,962.3642789 --> 00:51:23,112.3642789 Yeah. 524 00:51:23,182.3642789 --> 00:51:32,921.3642789 That's also- What's a sign of that? Like, this running, what would, what does that look like? Lots of times it looks like intellectualizing our experience. 525 00:51:32,921.3642789 --> 00:51:37,334.3642789 We're really good at that in The, West, They stay-- We like to stay in our story. 526 00:51:38,64.3642789 --> 00:51:47,837.3642789 We love to stay in the story of the thing and never really get down to the feeling of the thing And this also describes the paradigm or The difference the dynamic between Harmony and I. 527 00:51:47,857.3642789 --> 00:51:51,57.3642789 Harmony's- I'm- can be in her feelings I'm all feeling. 528 00:51:51,147.3642789 --> 00:51:54,907.3642789 And then I'm- So somatic I'm intellectualizing- He's thinking about it the experience. 529 00:51:54,937.3642789 -->

00:52:00,17.3642789 And yet that is also reversed when we're not in the medicine. 530 00:52:00,797.3642789 --> 00:52:01,647.3642789 Which is bizarre. 531 00:52:01,747.3652789 --> 00:52:02,127.3652789 Mm. 532 00:52:02,392.3652789 --> 00:52:03,462.3652789 Interesting. 533 00:52:03,610.6986123 --> 00:52:08,210.6986123 Yeah, it's interesting how, sorta like the artist couple you were talking about. 534 00:52:08,210.6986123 --> 00:52:09,190.6986123 Yeah, it is. 535 00:52:09,450.6986123 --> 00:52:10,560.6986123 It's just like the artist couple. 536 00:52:11,500.6986123 --> 00:52:11,960.6986123 Yeah. 537 00:52:12,170.6986123 --> 00:52:19,570.6976123 the responsible thing to say is it's not for everybody, and yet we really think it's the birthright of every human being. 538 00:52:21,530.6976123 --> 00:52:32,451.7707908 So what do you do? W- you and, you the listener at home, what do you do with that information? So tell people- Mm how they can work with you and what you're offering, 'cause you have a whole program. 539 00:52:32,451.7707908 --> 00:52:35,306.7697908 You have several Yeah, we have all kinds of stuff going on. 540 00:52:35,356.7697908 --> 00:52:40,436.7697908 Yeah, so we started in, with group programs in 2020, and we still do group programs. 541 00:52:40,456.7697908 --> 00:52:42,126.7687908 I love group work so much. 542 00:52:42,126.7697908 --> 00:52:43,246.7697908 So we do usually... 543 00:52:43,256.7697908 --> 00:52:45,466.7687908 It's usually eight people, per group. 544 00:52:45,466.7687908 --> 00:52:47,956.7687908 We do them seasonally, and they're amazing. 545 00:52:47,956.7687908 --> 00:52:51,506.7687908 I think we're in our 34th one right now since 2020. 546 00:52:51,896.7677908 --> 00:52:53,636.7687908 And then we also have a podcast. 547 00:52:53,973.7687908 --> 00:52:54,673.7687908 Yes. 548 00:52:54,726.7677908 --> 00:53:01,36.7677908 we started, like a lot of people started hearing what microdosing was, and it's not something that's talked about specifically. 549 00:53:01,36.7677908 --> 00:53:08,236.7687908 There's a lot of information out there about journeys, but there wasn't a lot of information about microdosing, so we started the podcast in 2023. 550 00:53:08,676.7677908 --> 00:53:11,66.7657908 And then it was funny, something... 551 00:53:11,156.7677908 --> 00:53:14,956.7657908 We started churning out all these accidental guides is what happened. 552 00:53:14,956.7667908 --> 00:53:22,826.7667908 So we had all these people coming through our group, six-week group programs, who by the end of them were like, "I think I wanna do this for work. 553 00:53:22,836.7677908 --> 00:53:24,806.7667908 Is that crazy? It's been six weeks." 554 00:53:24,806.7667908 --> 00:53:31,306.7667908 And they went from being a completely different profession to wanting to support other people in practice. 555 00:53:31,306.7667908 --> 00:53:40,686.7647908 And so after X number of people, individuals, and groups, I put together a training program, and we're gonna start our fourth cohort of our facilitator training. 556 00:53:40,696.7687908 --> 00:53:42,656.7657908 It's a 12-week professional program. 557 00:53:42,956.7627908 --> 00:53:45,56.7627908 September 1st starts our fourth cohort. 558 00:53:45,929.7667908 --> 00:53:46,629.7667908 That's fantastic Beautiful. 559 00:53:46,899.7667908 --> 00:53:49,139.7667908 Yeah That sounds like a real heart opening. 560 00:53:49,139.7667908 --> 00:53:52,379.7667908 It's like, well, I'm gonna go from doing this work to now helping others. 561 00:53:52,379.7667908 --> 00:54:00,468.1021241 Like that's, that's exactly what, happens And so they can find all of your information on your website, I think, right? Yes, all at microdosingforhealing.com 562 00:54:00,883.1021241 --> 00:54:01,993.1021241 Okay, beautiful. 563 00:54:02,433.1021241 --> 00:54:11,293.1021241 And if people are looking for very good, products, they can look up Golden Rule, which we're both partners of. 564 00:54:11,752.1021241 --> 00:54:14,92.1021241 Yes, they have been such a godsend. 565 00:54:14,92.1021241 --> 00:54:18,502.1021241 I mean, not only are they super beautiful women, it's a female-founded company. 566 00:54:18,532.1021241 --> 00:54:26,872.1021241 They're based in Colorado in the US, and it's just opened up this practice to so many more people, across the US who don't have access. 567 00:54:26,872.1021241 --> 00:54:33,642.1011241 You know, coming f- I was in California for many years, and it wasn't hard to find this work or talk about this work or a connection to people. 568 00:54:34,12.1021241 --> 00:54:40,753.1021241 But now we have people from all 50 states, thanks to Golden Rule, able to participate in practice, so Yeah. 569 00:54:40,783.1021241 --> 00:54:47,948.1021241 What's that when a bartender, they hand you a drink and there's like a little bit more alcohol in it than the other one, than other drinks? Heavy pour. 570 00:54:48,288.1021241 --> 00:54:51,393.1021241 Heavy pour? That's my experience of Golden Rule, by the way. 571 00:54:52,293.1011241 --> 00:54:55,883.1011241 It's b- it is a heavy pour, and you do get your money's worth. 572 00:54:56,993.1021241 --> 00:54:57,333.1021241 Yeah. 573 00:54:58,838.1021241 --> 00:55:06,323.1021241 I'll let them know they can put that testimony on their website Yeah, it's a Mm beautiful product. 574 00:55:06,373.1011241 --> 00:55:06,383.1011241 Mm. 575 00:55:06,723.1011241 --> 00:55:09,373.1021241 Beautiful company, and- It was great at Christmas. 576 00:55:09,443.1011241 --> 00:55:12,793.1001241 It was great at every holiday so far that we've had. 577 00:55:13,243.1001241 --> 00:55:14,213.1021241 Very helpful. 578 00:55:14,453.1031241 --> 00:55:16,263.1011241 Any time we've had to deal with family. 579 00:55:16,433.1021241 --> 00:55:20,808.1021241 Any time we've had to deal with family, you are not unusual. 580 00:55:21,123.1021241 --> 00:55:22,143.1031241 take Golden

Rule. 581 00:55:22,373.1011241 --> 00:55:22,923.1011241 Mm. 582 00:55:23,243.1001241 --> 00:55:24,253.1001241 Remember the Golden Rule. 583 00:55:25,943.1001241 --> 00:55:26,953.1011241 Well, thank you. 584 00:55:26,953.1011241 --> 00:55:29,313.1011241 This is a, this is so nice to meet you. 585 00:55:29,373.0991241 --> 00:55:29,623.0981241 This is... 586 00:55:29,653.1021241 --> 00:55:33,513.0991241 I could, I could talk about, we could talk about psychedelics all day. 587 00:55:34,584.1011241 --> 00:55:35,584.1011241 Likewise. 588 00:55:35,644.1011241 --> 00:55:36,484.1011241 Likewise. 589 00:55:36,524.1011241 --> 00:55:44,494.1011241 And fun to see Terrence's predictions coming true as we speak that he made all those years ago, weirder and weirder, here we are. 590 00:55:44,574.1011241 --> 00:55:46,419.1011241 Yes That's so. 591 00:55:46,759.1011241 --> 00:55:46,789.1011241 true. 592 00:55:47,89.1011241 --> 00:55:47,369.1011241 Yeah. 593 00:55:47,786.9045564 --> 00:55:49,896.9045564 Thank you so, so much. 594 00:55:50,267.9045564 --> 00:56:09,124.836258 Thank you both so much I hope that you enjoyed this conversation, and if you're curious about exploring microdosing for yourself, then I am a proud partner with Golden Rule Mushrooms, which is an incredible company. 595 00:56:09,514.836258 --> 00:56:19,724.836258 It is female-founded and a completely ethical company with an incredible, medicine product that they are offering. 596 00:56:20,174.835258 --> 00:56:44,242.4427785 And if you would like to sample some of their product for yourself, then you can use my very special code, Harmony10, so Harmony, my name, one zero, at the checkout, and you will receive 10% off anything that you order. 597 00:56:44,782.4427785 --> 00:56:52,672.4407785 So this is a special offer just for you for listening to this podcast, and it is the same company. 598 00:56:52,712.4427785 --> 00:56:57,492.4407785 The Golden Rule is also the company that Casey is a partner with as well. 599 00:56:57,912.4397785 --> 00:57:25,242.4457785 And so if you're a coach, a therapist, a body worker, a facilitator, or someone who is already holding space for people and you want to learn how to hold this work of using plant medicine in a sub-perceptual way through, uh, microdosing, then I would highly encourage you to sign up for Casey's professional training program at microdosingforhealing.com 600 00:57:25,852.4417785 --> 00:57:38,342.4447785 and use the code Harmony500, so Harmony, my name, five zero zero, for a $500 savings off any tier of the program that you would like to invest in. 601 00:57:38,922.4417785 --> 00:57:43,482.4397785 Both of these links are in the show notes, and they will be there for you. 602 00:57:43,942.4387785 --> 00:57:55,372.4387785 This is a limited time offer, so if you decide to sign up for Casey's program next year, I do not know if I will still have this special offer for you. 603 00:57:55,402.4377785 --> 00:58:03,132.4377785 But I have it for this round of training, and so it's yours to use if you're feeling called. 604 00:58:03,592.4397785 --> 00:58:24,198.1163114 And I just wanna thank Casey for being such an incredible guest, and I wanna thank you for listening and being open and, exploring different avenues of healing and new ways of finding harmony in your life and helping others find harmony in their lives That's it. 605 00:58:24,448.1163114 --> 00:58:28,38.1163114 We've concluded another episode of the Finding Harmony podcast. 606 00:58:28,558.1163114 --> 00:58:35,98.1163114 I just wanna thank you so much for doing the work that changes the world, starting with yourself. 607 00:58:35,418.1163114 --> 00:58:38,798.1153114 It truly does make a huge difference. 608 00:58:39,648.1153114 --> 00:58:46,638.1163114 Please make sure you have your automatic downloads turned on wherever you listen so you don't miss any of the upcoming episodes. 609 00:58:47,108.1163114 --> 00:58:50,548.1153114 I have so much more magic I can't wait to share with you. 610 00:58:51,318.1153114 --> 00:59:06,548.1143114 Lastly, if you're on Instagram, I love connecting and hearing from you, so come on over and say hello @findingharmonypodcast, and you can also come say hello to me personally @harmonyslaterofficial. 611 00:59:06,938.1163114 --> 00:59:08,808.1163114 Thank you again for being here. 612 00:59:09,18.1143114 --> 00:59:13,138.1143114 I cannot wait to share more with you in our next episode