“Ancient Artifacts That Shouldn’t Exist: Michael Forest on Alien Carvings, Lost Civilizations & Forbidden History”

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A I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide
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would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from
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outside this work, And yet I asked you it was
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not an alien force already amongst We must.
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Guard again the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or
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unsolved by the military industrial compact. The potential or the
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disastrous rise or misplaced power exists and will persist.
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Now.
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I am becoming death Dyer of world.
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In my associate with Project Group, they definitely withheld information.
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We have against.
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Shall be tware. We're firm test when you're about to
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give us the truth, the whole truth and the truth.
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So help you, guys, do you believe that our government
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is in possession of.
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Agents absolutely.
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Tonight on total disclosure. We're joined by a man whose
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tireless pursuit of truth is reshaping.
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How we view our ancient past. Michael Forrest, researcher, author,
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and documentarian, has spent the last five years diving deep
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into the mysteries that conventional history tends to ignore, with
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six published books and the library of compelling documentaries freely
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available on his YouTube channel, Alien Carving Michael's work brings
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forward a growing body of evidence that could rewrite human history.
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The heart of tonight's discussion are the explosive discoveries coming
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out of Mexico, over ten thousand artifacts dot defy mainstream
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timelines and raise pretty urgent questions about who we are,
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where we came from, and what's been hidden in plain sight?
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Are these remnants of an unknown civilization? A lost civilization?
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Are the myths we've inherited, echoes of something real, something
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that we've forgotten, like Graham Hancock says, we're a species
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with amnesia. Together, we'll explore the implications of these ancient anominies,
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the suppression of alternate history, and the possibility that advanced
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technology once flourished long before our textbooks suggest. This is
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more than archaeology. It's a challenge to the narrative. Welcome
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to total disclosure. All right, welcome back, Man.
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It's good to have you.
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I say, welcome back, but welcome to the show.
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Mike, it's good to have We talked a little earlier,
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so I know what you meant.
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Yeah, So this is a show that I definitely wanted to.
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I wanted to get it done before contact in the desert,
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because I think it's something that not only is it
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like really popular right now in the UFO community, and
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just the all the related you know, uh phenomena if
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you will. All the talk has been about these these
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discoveries of artifacts, and you know the community is always
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up against this battle of show me the evidence, right,
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So here we have, you know, a very unique opportunity
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to maybe talk about both.
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And uh so I just want to first bite start
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by can you give us a little bit of history,
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but who you are and what is going on that
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people are talking about when it comes to these discoveries.
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Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a business owner up here in Washington
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state I've lived. I was born and raised in Idaho
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and never really believed in aliens or had any paranormal experiences.
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In my early years, I you know, came into this.
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I've been a gem collector, however, crystals and rock specimen.
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My grandpa was a minor, so that was always something
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I frequented, was the gem shows. And my wife cuts opals.
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So you know, my good friend he came over one
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day and I said he was going down to the
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Tucson Gem show, and when he got back, he had
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some stuff he wanted to show me, you know, he
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asked if I was looking for anything, and I told
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him a few things, and carving specifically, because I'd been
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collecting little dragons and different things out of you know,
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different sapphires and such. And so when he went down there,
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he had found a gentleman named Mark Russell who had
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a booth and as an archaeologist who was on Scott
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Walter's America Unearthed. And he told him there that he
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had carbon dates, showed him the pictures there that Scott
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had done for him, and he had found these artifacts
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all over in Jalisco, Mexico, and a place mostly near
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this place called a Wailo Stealisco. And so I'd done
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some brief research looking at things. I found an interview
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with Nasim Harriman and Klaus's Dona on the internet, and
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obviously Scott's show with compelling evidence. And however I just
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didn't believe it, you know, I could not believe it.
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My friend was sitting there at my kitchen table with
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ten thousand year old artifacts. Just if that was coming
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out of the ground. I figured every person who was
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a scientist and a researcher of anything historical would be
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intrigued in all over this, and so I just didn't
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believe it. And I actually shook his hand for five
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thousand dollars at the table that I could prove it
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wrong and prove it to be a modern hoax because
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I just really didn't believe it. However, I really liked
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the pieces, and so it gave me a reason to
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collect a few of them and buy a few of them,
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you know. And as I started to go down the hole,
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I reached out to people like Linda Moulton Howe and
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Billy Carson and a lot of different famous people. Graham
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Hancock got a lot of ghosting, which I know these
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people are very busy. But one person like Linda Moulton
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how She returned my call and actually had been to
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Stanford Research Institute with these tablets from It was not
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from a way those Steelisco, but another part of Mexico
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called the Miko CHOHn and there's a lot of different
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looking pieces like these big jade tablets that come from there.
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And you know, Stanford Research Institute saw that there was
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mythological looking characters like Bapple Mint on this tablet, and
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they said that they weren't even going to do the test.
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They almost laughed at her and you know, kind of
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humiliated her in front of these people. And so she
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said that she was pretty you know, hesitant on it,
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but what she saw that we had was something really special,
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she said, and she wanted to look more into it.
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We spent quite a few months going back and forth,
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and then all of a sudden, at contact in the
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desert of all places, you know, she had asked me
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if she if I wanted to be on her Earth files,
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and nothing ever came of is she she completely ghosted
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me on this, and so I just didn't understand why,
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and you know, I've gone and just basically had to
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do all this research myself. No one in the industry
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or any archaeologists would help me. I gave books to
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John Hoops and a lot of different people, just trying
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to get some input or some validity of whether this
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was real or not. And there were some books that
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were published by Oleg Elstrov that were quite compelling that
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had not just carbon dating, but thermoluminescent dating that was
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consistent with you know, thousands of years old all over
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the map. And so as I began to research this more,
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we found a place called Tula Hill Dalgo and there
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was a company Jen Six Productions who was owned by
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Steve quail that was doing a documentary down in the
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Mi Coach on there at Lake Quitzel, and then they
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had heard that there was pieces also like this coming
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out of Tula near the pyramids. There there was a
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corn farmer who had property and as they would till
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their fields, they would find stuff. In the early two thousands,
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the Inah came out there and did some excavations and
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they took all these pieces. Well, the grandkids wanted to
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see the pieces, and when they went in to show
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them at the Inah, the ironh treated them like they
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had no idea who they were, said that they'd never
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turned in any pieces or had any record of this documentation,
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and it really frustrated him. So he contacted Steve Quayle.
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They came out there and started doing this documentary. They
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dug down to the fifteen foot level. They used gprs
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and geo radars over ten different kinds to you know,
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look at the ground so they could make sure that
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it hadn't been dug into prior because you can see,
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you know, if it's loose, if it's proper and if
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the rest of the ground around it's packed in the
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same fashion. And so they documented all this very clearly
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and released this documentary here a couple of years back.
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But they only got down to the fifteen foot level
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and you know, showed these pieces. There wasn't any further
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evidence at that time. And however, they did find a
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ground floor at that fifteen foot level, I mean, a
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solid pack lore like and they didn't have the money
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to keep going unfortunately, so they had to, you know,
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put this out and that was the end of it
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for Gen six. So far, they haven't gone back or
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done anything else, and so that kind of left it
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in you know, the guys down there that owned the
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property in my hands to try to figure out what
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they found. And so we got the money together and
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they went and re rented the equipment and got down
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there to that fifteen foot level and that's when things
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got really interesting. It broke open and literally an entire
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cave system opened up in front of them. And so
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the next month and a half two months, I mean,
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it was every day with new discoveries. They found pieces
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with Ananaki evidence, with extraterrestrial evidence UFOs, all kinds of
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symbology that just I mean star of Banana and Venus
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and all these type of things, and so it was
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it was quite interesting. The biggest part for me, though,
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was is that on the sides of these caves walls
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as well as on the entrance are petroglyphs of aliens.
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That absolutely, I mean, I've have never seen carving like
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this before, let alone. It was definitely not done yesterday
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because this is bedrock that was I mean, it's on
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our website if you're curious. But it's very interesting to
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see petrock glyphs and that that's what kind of drove
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the nail in the coffin to make me write.
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My books, you know, right, And I mean you know
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some of the some of the pictures you sent me.
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At first, I like I really had to look because
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I was like.
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Wait a second, these I mean, this isn't like, oh,
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that kind of looks like what we would say an
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alien is.
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No, it looks.
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Too identical, too coincidental, to the point where it's like, well, no, no, no,
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that's not that. I had to like check. I was like,
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is this ai? Is this real?
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And yeah, I mean you know I'm going off of
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you know, I always give people the benefit out here.
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I have some of the pictures here. I mean it's
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it's astonishing. I mean we got these.
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Ones where there's some workers digging, So what what is that? What? What?
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What's that is that about?
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Yeah, this is about ten feet down there's a pyramid
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that started popping through, and as they continued to go down,
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there was a sarcophagus as well as a whole in
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setting and what we believe this is like a tombstone
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or a headstone, and they cleared out the entire top.
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It's still under excavation underneath. But down you know, once
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they clear that out of there, there was all these
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tablets that literally show what what looked like stories right
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out of the Book of Enoch. I mean there's there's
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all the Egyptian characters, the elo keen looking beings and
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and uh so it's funny you say that with the
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alien situation, you know, you look back to who documented
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the first gray alien. It actually goes back to an
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occultist named Alistair Crawley who had an extreme in Egypt.
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So it's kind of an interesting coincidence that the United
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Kingdom claimed him to be the most dangerous man in
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America and we have this topic that seems like it
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has a brick wall in front of it, and you know,
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it's it's very it's it's hard to argue at this
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point of what we're seeing. It's it's these aliens are
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there's tons of different species and races. There's some with wings,
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there's some that have feet, there's some that have the
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specter like a Latin genie type tales like you would
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hear with a gin. You all these things in our
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mythology we're seeing on these pieces, and like on that
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one you just showed with that sarcophagus, there there's a
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beard that goes down there and it looks just like
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the Faro beard that King Tut the fifteen year old
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boy has strapped on his chin. And if you look
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at why they did that and strap this beard on,
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it was actually to emboldenize their their creators in Chemic
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and so you know, it's interesting to see these creator
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type beings who were you know, full of surrounded by
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alchemical symbols and different sorts of occult tools. Pieces from Egypt,
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I mean, we find jed pillars, we find the the
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rattle of of Hathor, we find you know, obviously anks
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and fine cones and and all the different things that
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you would see, even depictions of rings within rings and
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that sort of thing like is explained in the Book
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of Ezekiel.
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So right, it's right, yeah, And I mean so one
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of the things that I always say is that you know,
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it's this this mainstream you know, really this mainstream narrative
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that if you know that that you know, this is
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when civilization came up. This is when civilization went from
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hunter gatherer to uh to like and uh the next
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level and the next level and the next level, you know, and.
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If you challenge that narrative, you are now someone who
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is against the narrative. So you know, you're you're not
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just challenging the the the dates, you're challenging uh, mainstream
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science and most people, I mean Grand Hancock is a
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good example of you know what when that goes right,
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mainstream science beats people down into this you know, very stigmatized,
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isolative uh bubble.
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So you know, these discoveries go unchecked because people write
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them off because uh quote unquote mainstream scientists says no,
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there's no way, and you know that that is just
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that's so stupid.
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just underneath the sphinx paw. You know, there's quite a
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few of the and these are mainstream scientists like Robert Shock,
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a PhD, who is trying to say that there's logical
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science here and no one really has anything other than false, false,
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positive prone responses. And that's the tough part. I mean,
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Giorgio Suclos just came out against us, saying that everything
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that we're showing is one hundred percent fake for sure.
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first of all, he's not an archaeologist, he's a BA
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in sportscasting. And second of all, he hasn't laid any
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hands or anything. So to go off of pictures and
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just immediately claimed within one hundred percent certainty that something
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is false, it almost seems like they're attacking something that
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might be a threat or in challenge to their narrative.
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And if you look at the shows that this man
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owns and helps run with Prometheus, it's interesting because they're all,
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you know, prolonged things like Skinwalker, Wrench and Oak Island.
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ever want this to end.
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So, but that's the fuck.
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The biggest fucking crazy thing is don't you think someone
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like Giorgio, who does have a vested interest in ancient
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alien hypothesis, why wouldn't.
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He look at this and be like, I want to
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know more?
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So, you know, the guy who's profiting, whose show is
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ran for nineteen goddamn seasons on History Channel, which talks about,
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you know, the all this stuff, why was he so
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quick to dismiss this?
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Yeah, and the same with the Buga sphere immediately says
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it's fake again and no research given. I know the
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team that has it to him and Massam and team,
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and I mean there's a lot of science that's already
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been proven on this that continually defies what we know.
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You know, you're talking about these spheres, right.
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The bugas sphere that they found, that aluminum one that
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flying around. Yeah.
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have video of metal, metal, metallic looking spheres flying around
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and they it defies.
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I mean what we know to be conventional, you know,
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conventional aerodynamics, of course, but there's a lot of lore
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on those things.
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So I mean, what do you think of that?
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What do you think of those spheares? Do you think
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they're some sort of oaks? Are?
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We absolutely have, like you said, concrete evidence, even on
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Skinwalker Ranch, they've documented flying spheres on that show with
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their equipment, and not only that, but artists rendering it
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and it had this this band around the center of it.
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And I mean, so does the buga spheeres? So again
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to dismiss something like this, like you said, if you're
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invested in this topic, this should be the bread and
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butter of your future going forward. You should want to
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eat up every bit of this uh and and make
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shows about it. And if it's not right, you could
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make shows about disproving it, just to give your topic
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and your show more credibility. But instead, you know, I
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mean I read through the comments before that they were
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taken down, and I mean he was getting beat up
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over this this statement. So it's really interesting that someone
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would take a swing like that at these topics for
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what reason, you know, right, So.
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I want to when did you okay, And because I
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know you said it and we talked about it a
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little bit already, but I mean, you come into this
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this subject pretty skeptical. And when I say skeptical, I mean,
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are you talking about UFOs that you're skeptical that they exist?
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You know, there's this race of beings that you know,
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the on Anaki story, right, that they genetically mutate human
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or Homo sapiens to create Homo sapiens sapien, you know,
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and they have a direct role that we were created.
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There's planet X are you were you skeptical of that
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or are you skeptical of all of it?
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I was skeptical of well. I mean for most of
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my adult life, until I was like thirty seven, I
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was skeptical of all spiritual religion whatsoever.
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I always felt something when I performed music, and whenever
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I get into music deeply, like there's a spiritual connection there.
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So I know there's something, you know, But as far
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as the stories that we have in the books that
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we have, I just couldn't buy into any of it.
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and trying to be controlled and manipulated whenever I go
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to church. And so as far as the UFOs and
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the Anonachi story, I believed in the Ananachi story most
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likely or thought that that could be a very well
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logical explanation of how we got where we were because
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our chromosones mutated two undred fifty thousand years ago. There's
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a king's list that's two hundred fifty thousand years ago,
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and and to get everything balanced and in perfect synchronicity
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like we have. I mean, it's not just an accident.
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The Goldilocks zones that we have on this planet are
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so vast, you know, you take one, just like the bees.
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without them. I mean that's significant engineering it at the
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highest level. So something like that made sense to me.
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But I didn't think that they were necessarily the aliens
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that they were showing on you know, Third and Eten
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or any of these movies per se like aliens movies.
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I really thought it was more of a spiritual type
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thing like the Ananaki. And when I read through Zacharia
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Sitchen's work when I started researching this, you know, the
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planet X thing was really I'm still very skeptical of it.
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I think that they might actually be talking about heaven,
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and so in order to publish things on these topics,
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it seems like when you bring religion into it, it
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becomes a minefield. And so I think some of these
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authors and some of these people who did these early
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translations had to be very careful so they didn't destroy
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the balance of what we've came to know was our religions.
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That's a very good point. It's a very that's a
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very valid point, because you know, religion is a funny thing.
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Religion is a funny thing because obviously people live and
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die by it, literally like literally live.
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And die by it, so you know, and you kind
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of see it in these Renaissance paintings as well, or
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you know, even paintings from before that.
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You know, let's take the picture of the baptism, the
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Baptism of.
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Christ right where John John the Baptist is is in
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the river Jordan with with Christ baptizing him, and there's
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a you know, beam coming down from what they called
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a cloud, but it's clearly looks like a flying saucer,
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and it's depicted that way in the painting, and you like,
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I mean, you do ask yourself like, is this all
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just misidentified you know technology, and when we say gods
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and they or when they said gods, did they mean
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what we mean when we talk about quote unquote aliens
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and what we think is to.
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Our people alien? Right? So what evidence?
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You know, what what among the evidence has really swayed
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you to the fact that we're dealing with the Bible
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stories and there's.
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At least truth to some of it.
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I mean, we found Troy, we found you know, we
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think we found Sodom and Gomorrah in places, so we
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know that there is truths.
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We know that there was most likely a flood. What
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other what what evidence really like brought you to the
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other side? Well, I thought I just heard something in here,
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dude knocking and there's nobody here. Yeah, oh all right,
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I'm sorry.
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No, as far as the evidence go, you know, I think, well,
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it was actually reading the Book of Knowledge by JJ
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Hurtok that slapped me in the face the hardest here.
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You know, I didn't know where to start. I didn't know,
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you know, I've tried to read the Bible. It's very confusing.
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All this is before AI. AI makes it a lot
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easier now to ask questions, but nonetheless, having questions is tough.
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And and I started reading that book here, someone an archaeologist,
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reached out to me and said that that these pieces
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resemble that book very very much and that I needed
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to look at it, and so I immediately went and
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found it. And I mean, it's hard to even explain
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because it's it was wrote back in nineteen seventy three,
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but the synchronicity and how deep it goes is deeper
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than I mean, anything I've ever encountered in my lifetime.
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Still to this day, it's Biblical on that proportion, no question.
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And the type of gomatria and stuff that's written into
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this thing is I mean, it's a beautiful piece of work,
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and so things like that. I think once I started
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to see these pictures and I started to believe that
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this was genuine, then those books were like a seed
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planted in my mind that I just had to I
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had a hard time to refute it. You know, when
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I was a young man, you know, twenty years ago,
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I was addicted to painkillers and I thought I was
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going out. I did not think I was going to
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make it through this incredibly tough time, and I didn't
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believe in anything at the time, and I actually I
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was so desperate. I got on my knees and I
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reached out for help and I apologized for everything that
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I had done. And from that moment on now everything
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is slightly shifted, you know, And I can't argue that
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that I've gravitated towards this topic and doing different things
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that have been emboldened to myself. Every day, like every
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day was this progressive forward if I wanted it to be,
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and before that it just seemed like it was a
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progressive backward. And so these little pieces have definitely been
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a chip on my shoulder to give me faith on
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that uncondition level. And seeing now what we see with
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all the pieces having Saturn on them and researching Saturn,
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looking at Jordan Maxwell's work and some of these others
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with Saturn specifically going into the Jewish religion, into the
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Muslim religion, and it's everywhere, even in the Catholic religion.
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And so we have this Saturn thing where the Romans
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came from in terms of what they believed. And I
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think that that's a really important thing because, like we
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were talking earlier, why would you attack certain things without
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science unless there was something that you didn't want to
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come from it. And so if you look at all
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the cancel culture in this world and all the things
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they've pushed away, you start looking at those as a
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possibility of oh, maybe they were trying to hide this
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from us. It starts clicking real quick. And the Demiurge
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with the Gnostics and the early Coptics, this story of
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the demiurge, if you place Saturn as the demiurge, and
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you place the Divine Mother or the Sofia, the isis
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whatever you want to call her, as the creator of
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this thing, and that we're trapped here. You know, even
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in the even in the scientology, they believe in a
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similar concept to the Demiurge, where we're trapped here and
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you look at someone's work like Stanley Kubrick with eyes
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wide shut and how much ridicule. I mean, he may
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have lost his life over this movie. They cut seventy
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some minutes of it and wouldn't show it to us,
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and it very well could expose this this elite that
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knows the truth that we're talking about right now, which
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is disclosure. And what disclosure is? Is it aliens from
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another planet or is there our ancient past that's been
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hidden from us. And that's kind of the question I
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leave it at now for myself is I don't know,
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you know.
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And that's the you know that that is one of
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the craziest aspects of this whole thing in my in
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my experience, you know, similar to yours, I was, I
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am an alcoholic.
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I just don't drink anymore, you know. I had my
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own experiences. I've been sober for five years now, aside
484
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from medical marijuana, uh here and there, here, here and there.
485
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:15.160
But aside from I went four four years of abstinence
486
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.640
and until I you know, my doctor was like because
487
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.119
I had lost my mother, and you know, there's a
488
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.480
whole backstory to that, and and and how.
489
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.359
I came back to this topic, left Hollywood and came
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00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.599
back to this topic. So for me, I have a
491
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very you know, I've I respect you a little bit more,
492
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.960
you know, having you you you said something like that,
493
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because it does take a lot to admit that, you know,
494
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.799
because one of the things in the UFO community is
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00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.319
your credibility, right, and if someone can poke holes in
496
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.759
your credibility and and try to use your past against you.
497
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.839
We see this with like David Grush using his PTSD
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00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:01.400
as a wartime veteran to try to undercut what he's saying.
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00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:03.759
I mean, it's ludicroants and.
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With the with the community. So I mean, thank you
501
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:14.839
for saying that. But why are we a species that
502
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.400
is so advanced? And how do we not know our
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00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:24.519
own origin story? So I start asking these questions right rhetorically,
504
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.400
I'm asking them out loud, h why?
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00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:28.680
And then.
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What what are these supposed aliens? What are these UFOs?
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00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.200
What is that? And is it being covered up?
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00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:40.960
And if it's being covered up, which it surely is,
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00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.880
who's it being covered up by?
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00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.079
And I argue that it's the same people that are
511
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in charge of the Epstein's, the ditties, those people.
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00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:58.519
Who are controlling our origin story, our narrative, what gets
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00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:01.319
out to the public in a mainstream they have. I mean,
514
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.039
Rick Doty is a great example of how easy it
515
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.880
is to pay off media Air Force.
516
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.480
Osi did it all the time. We are living in
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a consensus reality with the consensus history.
518
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:20.680
It's look at the seventy six percent of all media
519
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.960
is controlled by the same investment firms. And if you
520
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.319
look at who those investment firms are, they also own
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00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.880
a lot of disclosure. Johnny Enoch actually brought it to
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00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.160
the table here a couple few weeks actually it's been
523
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:34.319
a couple months ago now, but he said specifically that
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00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.920
Vanguard and Blackrock were invested into Gaya, and I couldn't
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00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.559
believe it. I had to go look that up myself.
526
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.200
But to know that now and to see that brick
527
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.799
wall there, you start looking at that those two companies
528
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.519
specifically and some of the things they've done politically and
529
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.880
into this industry and other industries. The control that they
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00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.559
have on the media and this cancel culture. Yeah, I
531
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:58.680
mean that's why I brought up eyeswad shed because this
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00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.920
this holly elite thing that people talk about, it absolutely
533
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.279
could be controlling this part of history. And you look
534
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:10.279
at things like scientology specifically being so predominant in this culture.
535
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.240
I've started to research maybe why about that could be,
536
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.440
and it's very interesting. I'm not a scientologist or anything
537
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.160
like that, but just like I'm not any of these religions,
538
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.839
I just find it very interesting to understand where they're
539
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.000
coming from and how it might relate to the others.
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00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.759
Because there's no way that only one person's right here
541
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.200
and if you look at the way it talks about
542
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.839
the evil deceiving and the Bible and stuff like that,
543
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.000
it's eighty percent truth and twenty percent lies. Like that,
544
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.759
they're going to use the truth to manipulate and pull
545
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.480
you away. And so that's what disclosure right now, like
546
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:48.960
this controlled disclosure movement is absolutely being narrated in a fashion.
547
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.680
Even like you said, Grush and lou and all these
548
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.119
people who have come out as whistleblowers, they still have
549
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.240
to ask the government permission to say what they're going
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00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.519
to say, and the government allows that, which is something
551
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.519
that they obviously know this is moving in that direction
552
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.880
and they want it. Others I probably wouldn't even be.
553
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:10.440
Here, you know, controlled disclosure, right, Yeah, it's it's to
554
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:15.440
avoid it's it's to avoid the alternative. And you know,
555
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.079
it's funny that you mentioned that, because yes, all these
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00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.960
quote unquote whistleblowers, they're not whistleblowers.
557
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.279
By definition, they are not whistleblowers. If you go to
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00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.359
good pre publication and ask for permission to say what
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you're saying, you are not a whistleblower. I apologize. You
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00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.480
are not. You are a You're either unwitting.
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Or you you understand and and that you are a
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00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:48.599
controlled narrative. You are a controlled disclosure agent, whether you.
563
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.000
Like it or not. They you might do it with
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00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.279
the best of intention, but you're not a whistleblower. They
565
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:55.119
want you out.
566
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.960
There saying this, right, and you look at let's go ahead,
567
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I'm gonna.
568
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.720
Say you look at lou and the and the pictures. Right.
569
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.000
He keeps coming up empty handed on these things, and
570
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.119
you know that the Pentagon's laughing, going, oh my god,
571
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.559
it's it's far too easy to just credit this guy
572
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.680
at this point. Yeah. Ye.
573
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.920
You look at the A Tip program and Sean Kirkpatrick
574
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and Brandon Fugel's little debate there that happened, and and
575
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then you also look at the I use Skinwalker Wrench
576
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.920
here as well, because Travis Taylor, who's their PhD, was
577
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.519
recommended by the History Channel, Brandon said on the interview
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00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.440
with Sean Ryan. And so that's an interesting play. You know,
579
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.400
obviously the network encouraged this PhD, and he's the one
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00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.759
help and he's the one deciding what science gets done.
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00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.039
And then all of a sudden, you know, two or
582
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.039
three years into the show, it's like, oh, by the way,
583
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.640
I'm a government agent as well, and I worked for him. Yeah,
584
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.000
and they didn't know, you know, So that's infiltrated there.
585
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.200
But now Travis is also on Ancient Aliens and other programs,
586
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.119
so it's like, you know, the government is involved with
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these TV shows as well.
588
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:06.160
And that's why now now people are gonna wonder why
589
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.759
I let us down this path to come full circle here.
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00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.640
That is why you might have some people.
591
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.640
Like who should have a vested interest in this, like
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00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.680
the Ancient alien folks who outright say it's fake because
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00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.440
they are controlled by somebody and the real stuff is
594
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.079
being hidden from you. So that's the full circle moment
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00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:35.000
there for everybody.
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00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.200
That's that's what I got when Linda moultenhow ghosted me
597
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.599
there that that's all it felt like, is when she
598
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:43.960
went to tell her producers that I was going to
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00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.880
be on Earth Files, she got shut down, is what
600
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.319
it felt like. Because she was the most genuine, nice lady.
601
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:53.160
She's a she's a Stater from Idaho. She's just she's
602
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.640
just great, Like I really got great vibes and were
603
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.440
we worked well together. So for for that to happen,
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I knew something at a higher level had to have
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occurred to postpone that you know.
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00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.119
Yeah, and listen, I will say this about Linda because
607
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I had her on the show.
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00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.320
She was nothing but great. Like timing. All right, I
609
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.559
want to bring it back. So you've dedicated the last
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00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:20.199
five years of your mission, five years of your life
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00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:21.000
to this mission?
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All right?
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00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:23.800
Was there ever a moment?
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00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.519
Could that moment be now where the truth felt too
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00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.039
dangerous or too unbelievable to pursue?
616
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.239
No? No, no, Because at this point I knew that
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00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.079
if I had something happened to me because of this truth,
618
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.000
then I would know in my heart factually and would
619
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have the most ultimate, unconditional faith in God at that point,
620
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.719
because it would all click because I know the story,
621
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.639
I've seen the pieces, and I know what they're hiding,
622
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.239
and so if anything ever happened, that would be an
623
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.440
immediate And then, you know, I asked someone like Scott
624
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.000
Walter who's vetted into the A Tip, and he told
625
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.320
me specifically like this was research that needed to be done,
626
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.559
you know. And so I think, I think there's a
627
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.719
lot of people rooting for this, and uh, you know,
628
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.400
as far as the danger goes, I've never been contacted,
629
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I've reached out to the I NAH. I've reached out
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00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.599
to the Vice President. I've reached out to Customs and
631
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.000
Border Patrol and dhl ups, all these places that were
632
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.440
handling my packages. As I would bring these pieces in.
633
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.440
I wanted to make sure I wasn't violating any laws.
634
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.599
I actually have letterhead from the I NAH on Mexican
635
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:34.039
state paper that says that anything with a UFO or
636
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.159
an alien on it has to be modern, as those
637
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.920
things were created in modern times. So that that's the
638
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.480
way they left it. They wouldn't do any C. Fourteen,
639
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.440
they wouldn't come out to the site, they wouldn't do
640
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.039
any science whatsoever.
641
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:54.559
Wait, so, because you use the word alien, and I
642
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.000
don't know how you guys framed it, maybe I'm I'm
643
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.599
speaking because I'm a layman in this.
644
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.239
In this because the word UFO or alien or or.
645
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:06.440
The connotation was there, they won't touch this. They they
646
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.880
just assume that it's memorabilia and that they don't have
647
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:11.800
to do anything with it.
648
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.880
Yep, yep. Oh yeah, you can buy them all day long.
649
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.880
I have thousands of these pieces in my house right now.
650
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.199
Can you grab a couple of the most compelling things
651
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.239
and maybe talk so I want to take this time
652
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.559
because I know you have it. Can you grab a
653
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:35.800
couple of pieces and the most compelling and like the ones.
654
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.480
That you can you can describe and show us a
655
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.000
little bit of detail of of of really compelling things
656
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.519
that you that have been labeled as as labeled as
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00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.960
memorabilia or you know, what has to be modern day created.
658
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.800
So these are of bronze work. The metal work is
659
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.079
really where it's at because you can see the patina,
660
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:58.880
you know. I asked Ai about the patina on some
661
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.239
of these objects, and they said that the iridescence and
662
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.239
the way they looked were completely impossible to make forgeries though,
663
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.360
I mean, some of these crystal skulls and things are
664
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.360
you know, fifty sixty pounds of courts. I mean, we
665
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.000
don't see this type of stuff let alone. They're not
666
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:21.719
just you know, beautiful carvings, but they're also tattooed with extensive,
667
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.000
extensive amounts of work. You know, every ounce of it
668
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.000
has carvings. You know, they can't Optic jars were a
669
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.000
big one for me. Sorry it's a little unsteady, but
670
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.440
these things here, I mean they absolutely stink inside. They
671
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.760
have the worst smell like they were actually utilized with
672
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.679
organs at one point inside of them. Oh yeah, it's
673
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.440
stunk up my entire room. When I got them, I
674
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.000
was blown away. Some of the whistles and things like this.
675
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:49.519
I mean, this is a like a twenty pound rock
676
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.719
whistle where the eyes are the reeds, it's all hollowed
677
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.960
out in there, you know, the mouthpieces back here and
678
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.119
so stuff like that where it's in tune.
679
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.679
I mean, these these are all things that have been
680
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.079
on These things have been uncovered. Yes, for the most part,
681
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.159
these have been dug out.
682
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.880
Documents, a lot of it on our on our YouTube
683
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.119
and and documentaries. I wrote like you see, like you said,
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00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:18.679
six books. The newest one I did, Forbidden Relics, is
685
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:25.800
just full of of you know, every piece those, man,
686
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.840
I'm gonna the studio.
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Do it.
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00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:33.840
I'm gonna see if I can get one with the
689
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.280
green here you can see see how it turns green.
690
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.119
It's it's light in here, so you can't see it
691
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.519
very well. But all these pieces have a luminescence or
692
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:42.880
phosphor and property.
693
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.320
Why is that turning green like that?
694
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.239
Well, they all have this green phosphorescence or luminescence about them.
695
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.639
I mean you can see it's just laced into the
696
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.760
carvings in some of them and others it's blue. It's green.
697
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.400
This one here will change from green to blue.
698
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.119
Do the skulls ever? Now this is things I've heard
699
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.840
from other people, But do the skulls ever?
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00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:11.679
Just like move?
701
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:18.840
No, I haven't had any weird pirinormal activities or anything
702
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:19.559
like that yet.
703
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:20.559
I'm not.
704
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.039
That I've seen the only thing that's been kind of
705
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.199
strange was that when we first came in go there
706
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.840
all right, When we first started this, I had about
707
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.360
sixty seventy these pieces that I had just gotten. We
708
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.880
bought a large collection from a collector in Mexico. And
709
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.320
the fact that people in Mexico collect these things and
710
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.960
are hard to come off of them sometimes that's also
711
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:46.000
pretty interesting evidence just you know, they would likely know
712
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.639
if these were being mass produced or if they were
713
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:53.000
part of their history. And so, you know, that brings
714
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.960
me to a point of there's a gentleman named Max
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00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.760
that he did an interview in my book Ananaki America,
716
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and he goes through and explains that, you know, he
717
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.519
worked with the I. N. A. H. And that's how
718
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.199
he learned how to get these things out can you.
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00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.480
You've said I, I can't even say that right.
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So it's the Institute of National Archaeology and Anthropology.
721
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Okay, and okay, So for anyone who's just listening, that's
722
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what that is and watching, Uh because I I wanted
723
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to know, I forgot to ask earlier. I didn't want
724
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.679
to interrupt. But okay, So that's like the that's like
725
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.119
mainstream archaeology guys are contacting.
726
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.000
That's the government archaeological Ministry of History essentially.
727
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.280
Okay, And again they're what they're saying about these pieces
728
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:52.360
is they're not actually artifacts. They are modern day carvings
729
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.719
because they can't possibly be artifacts because and then do
730
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.400
you see what so have you have you done any
731
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:06.119
independent testing on like like radiocarbon dating or yeah, yeah,
732
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.719
so what do you what are your some of your
733
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:10.360
results here? What are we what are we looking at
734
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.760
for time frames on these some of these So.
735
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.559
It depends on the area. What's interesting is is there's
736
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.000
a book by JJ Benitez who did thermo luminous and
737
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.079
dating of these tablets from the Mico chon that have
738
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.559
These were the ones that Linda Moulton Howe brought into
739
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.360
Stanford Research and they had bappomit and things on there,
740
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.719
like the Lady Guadaloupe that were just hard to fathom
741
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.400
that they would be ancient. And the dates there were
742
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.119
eighteen hundred and twenty five years plus or minus one
743
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.079
twenty five, which is an interesting you know, two to
744
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:43.440
three hundred years a d. And that that's an interesting
745
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.679
time frame because some of the pieces show the Lady
746
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:50.199
Guadalupe as well as a crucified beings as well, and
747
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.440
so that's that's one age. And the mico Con tribe
748
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.079
they tell me that this is an oral tradition that
749
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.159
their land was used as a genet manipulation ground where
750
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.920
they've created many different races that used to roam there.
751
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.239
And we actually found biological evidence that it's a body
752
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:11.760
very very similar to a nasca among me, but it
753
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:16.280
way more Reptilian. And it's documented in my book this
754
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.760
Ananaki the maso America connection.
755
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:19.039
And.
756
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:24.000
So there's there's the biology is obviously that's something that
757
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:25.760
still needs to be dated. But if you go to
758
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.079
a Waylos di Alisco where I first started, there's pipe
759
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.239
resin from twelve thou six hundred years ago that Scott
760
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.880
Walter had carbon dated there's pieces that range from twelve
761
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.920
to twenty five thousand years ago that have been carbon
762
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.960
dated through the adhesive, and the adhesive on there is
763
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.960
a red blue I'll show you an example here with
764
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.199
one of these pieces. But there's this red adhesive that
765
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.639
that glues these things together. You can see this red
766
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.800
in between these lines that glue the stone to these
767
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.800
other stones. And this is a pipe here, and so
768
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.800
these sometimes have resin that can be scraped out of them,
769
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.239
and that's what he carbon dated there. And then as
770
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.400
well as the adhesive. We have some some bones right
771
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:11.960
now that are these daggers. I can show you it right.
772
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.559
So this is a dagger that we took this knob
773
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.360
off here. It had a big bone, you know, joint thing,
774
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.639
and so that's what we sent to the lab and
775
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.440
it will be dated. But this normally was a handle
776
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.440
for an obsidian dagger.
777
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:32.639
My god. So okay, so you know you you talked
778
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:38.000
about twelve thousand, six hundred years ago or did you
779
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:39.199
say twelve thousand, six.
780
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:43.679
Hundred yes, twelve thousand, six hundred BC. I'm sorry, he's
781
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.440
actually like fourteen thousand years old or something like that.
782
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:53.119
Yeah, okay, And now essentially what you are saying is,
783
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:59.800
if we are to take these tools, these are evidence
784
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:06.199
of a civilization that existed well before the Ice Age
785
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:11.760
and the younger, dryest impact, and these are some of
786
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:18.320
the remnants or you know, some of the artifacts of
787
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:23.119
those lost civilizations and lost cultures, like say Atlantis. We
788
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.320
don't have to put terms to it, but like Atlantis
789
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.440
to give up a visualization.
790
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.840
There's a lot of story from toolas specifically, whereasas where
791
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.159
we're finding a lot of these pieces that they have
792
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.039
the Atlantean survivors that came there. And if you look
793
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.079
at like this here, this is a star map and
794
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.679
it clearly shows the Ple eightes at a place. And
795
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.960
if you look at where the north is with the
796
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.079
sea on there, you can see with AI it'll tell
797
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.599
you how old that thing is and it comes out
798
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.599
at a thousand BC on that one. But the star
799
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:55.920
maps range and there's quite a few star maps like
800
00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:01.039
these you've seen probably from Iraq or ter and they're
801
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.960
called an astrolabe, and it shows all the different constellations.
802
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.639
But you can put this into a program and it'll
803
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.400
show when the last time the procession was in that area,
804
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.280
and it gives a pretty fine range. So the tool
805
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.639
pieces seem to all have these star maps in the
806
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.280
twenty five hundred BC to five hundred a D range,
807
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.679
and so the away those stuff looks a lot different.
808
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.800
The type of creation is way different. The language on
809
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.760
the pieces is completely different, which is a big thing
810
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:30.639
for me. If the age is that much different in
811
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.480
a different language, it really brings the story of Babel
812
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.639
into consideration here. And so if this Babel and this
813
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.800
flood thing happened, we might have a pre flood civilization
814
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.920
and a post flood rebuilding of what they you know,
815
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.519
the survivors or something. And that might be what the
816
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:51.559
Spanish and you know things came down on in this area,
817
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.639
you know, all the Second Crusader, whatever you want to
818
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:55.199
call it. You know.
819
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.239
So that's exactly what I was going to say, is
820
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:04.360
is you have evidence of and and that's what I
821
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:08.119
think we need to do as people like not as
822
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:15.119
as as human beings. We need to not dismiss religious
823
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.079
texts and other texts because they're not the religion that
824
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:19.760
you follow.
825
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.199
What happens is what we need to do is take
826
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:27.239
a step back, all of us and start looking at
827
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.679
it as a all right, let's piece this together because
828
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.159
everyone seems to have a little piece of the puzzle, right,
829
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.800
but we can all agree, you know, we have to
830
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.239
find the common denominators. And because it seems that all
831
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:45.199
of our religions theoretically, you know, I'm speaking in very
832
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.519
vague manners here, but theoretically they're all really saying a
833
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.920
very similar thing. And they all have this really similar
834
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:57.519
story and the heroes and the villains.
835
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.159
And the bad and the good and the creation, and
836
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.880
you know, then then comes science, and science is just
837
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:09.039
a modern way of it's it's a modern way of
838
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.000
reassuring ourselves that we are the alpha species by saying,
839
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.480
you know, but this is the same the same scientists
840
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:22.079
who cannot tell you what consciousness is. So of course,
841
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.960
you know, science is flawed, but it makes us feel
842
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.960
better when we say it, right, it's science, it's science.
843
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.800
Is it all just the same fucking thing? When you know,
844
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:40.599
there's these ancient beings that had crazy technology and uh,
845
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.519
something happened and wipe them out. Whether it was a flood,
846
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.639
it looks like that's the case, But what what caused
847
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:51.159
that flood? You know, I think we have really a
848
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.320
lot to learn from these religious stories if we could
849
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.480
just step back, and I mean the Tower of Babble
850
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:01.719
is a great story, you know, metaphorically about our species
851
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:05.840
is you know, because what is the ultimate what is
852
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:11.159
the ultimate good? What is the ultimate force? And that
853
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.400
is a united human race? Right, a united human race.
854
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.719
There's nothing that we could not achieve.
855
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:18.559
Nothing.
856
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.280
So you know, we grow and we get too close
857
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.599
to the gods and then we're struck down and we're
858
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.920
separated by religion, by creed, and we love to do that.
859
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.119
We love to separate each other right and put ourselves
860
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:34.719
in groups, and then we like to discriminate. So are
861
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.480
we cursed with that for some reason?
862
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:42.119
Because together we are a force to be reckoned with?
863
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.760
Have we been hampered with? To be to stay in line?
864
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:47.559
If you will?
865
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.280
And to you know, it's you start asking all these
866
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.039
questions and and and it's like for me, it's it's
867
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.639
obvious that like what we need to do.
868
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.880
It's but like why can't we do it? Right?
869
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.639
We only use twenty percent of our brain for what now?
870
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.320
You know? Right, It's like yeah, it's like I think
871
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:08.360
that's really important.
872
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:13.119
You know, if some stupid motherfucker and part of my language,
873
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:18.800
so if some guy from Boston can can come to
874
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.400
these conclusions that maybe we all should step back and
875
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:26.360
look at this with fresh eyes and compare notes. Instead
876
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:30.519
of you know, murdering each other and holding the world
877
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.800
hostage with weapons.
878
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:38.000
Of mass destruction and relying on something with the acronym MAD.
879
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.360
You know, let's hold the let's hold the people of
880
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:43.000
the world.
881
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:48.440
Hostage because of our belief systems, of which God is real,
882
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:50.800
because that's what we do most of our murdering in
883
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.039
is God name is God's name.
884
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.320
So you know, I, you know, people think that we're
885
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.039
more advanced now. I don't know.
886
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:03.000
I don't know. I think I think if we really
887
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:06.360
have these genetic manipulators who have created us, like the
888
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.159
anonarchy or something's managing our species in this fashion. Let's
889
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:12.599
say you were managing a species of let's just say
890
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:14.599
corn on a farm, and you were trying to breed
891
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.159
a corn that was going to make it through a
892
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.400
hurricane or some sort of disaster, right, and so you
893
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:21.559
have to plant all these seeds. You have to find
894
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.519
the ones that are stable. You have to breed them together.
895
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.880
You have to create phenotype after phenotype after phenotype to
896
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.960
breed out the issues to get them stable again. All
897
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:32.760
these things, well, if you were trying to do that
898
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.960
really fast with a living race with intelligence, you would
899
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.159
want them to go through war. You would want them
900
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.360
to go through the challenges so they could inherit the
901
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:43.039
wisdom in a timely fashion. That could be why our
902
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.159
age in the Bible was reduced down to one hundred
903
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.840
and twenty years. That after it was it was likely
904
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.199
after the you know, the the resurrection, that this occurred,
905
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.320
possibly or somewhere. It doesn't specifically say that I know of,
906
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:58.360
but I'm guessing that's that's where it's at, right, because
907
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.159
you look at the people in the anti diluver and
908
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.960
they were all old, and then you know, after Moses,
909
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:06.239
I think it's pretty much, you know, right after the Exodus.
910
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.320
It's it's right, it's one hundred and twenty years. So
911
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.920
these things are are all there maybe for us like
912
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:16.039
this mystery and us even talking right now. Would we
913
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.039
be doing this if everything was good and we were
914
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:20.360
all working together as one, and would we have anything
915
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.480
to work on if we didn't have the threat of
916
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.719
death and the survivalism that we have today?
917
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.280
Those are those are all very very fair points.
918
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:28.920
By the way.
919
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:36.320
I I I tend to. Did you see we Haimi Moussan,
920
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:38.400
I'm not Heimi Mussan. Jesus.
921
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:43.960
Did you see Zahi Hawas on Rogan saying that not
922
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.719
not only did he say multiple times that he was
923
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:48.599
a scientist, but he wasn't a scientist.
924
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.840
And you know he is an archaeologist, but he's not.
925
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.719
So not only does that guy not know what the
926
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.639
fuck he is? But and and he and but he
927
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:02.320
said he never heard of the King's List and no nothing,
928
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.159
So I'm.
929
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.199
Sorry, please, there's no paper on it.
930
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.800
I guess you know, yeah, you and because because it
931
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.239
wasn't discovered by Zaki himself, it does not exist.
932
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.280
And he's so he's open minded, but he does not
933
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:25.599
have time for theories like, bro, which one is it?
934
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.920
Because you can't be both, You're an idiot.
935
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.000
I'm really bad on that though, because I my whole life,
936
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:33.559
I mean, I was a skeptic of this because I
937
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:35.840
didn't have the science on it. And even with I mean,
938
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.360
so the carbon dates are conceived or you know, the
939
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.960
Magnins deposits on this copper whistle, like there's there's things
940
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.039
on here that that are just signs of age that
941
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.519
you're not going to get very easily, but still it's
942
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:49.760
not science. It's going to prove to someone like that
943
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.480
that this is real or not. And I think that's
944
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:54.559
where we've had to really step back and look at
945
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.119
these pieces and try to find what about them. And
946
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.800
this is actually we're working on a pure reviewed paper.
947
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:03.639
Can't go extremely and deep about it, but there's peer
948
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.360
review on these pieces that are going to show that
949
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.599
the way these are made and constructed is not something
950
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:11.360
that we can do today. And I can I can
951
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.519
pretty much just leave it at that.
952
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:18.599
Would you would you be open to being flown into
953
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.920
the studio with some of those pieces after the peer
954
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:28.599
reviewed paper comes out and talk and walk us through
955
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.440
of course, you know, because what I what I think
956
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.280
most people don't understand is peer reviewed papers are I mean,
957
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.159
it's basically you submitting it to the science community and
958
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:42.960
saying this is what we found.
959
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.760
You know, now the science community can look it over,
960
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:46.559
and they can.
961
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:50.559
Because exactly most of most of what they're trying to
962
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:52.360
do is prove you wrong, honestly.
963
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:54.960
So, but it's the.
964
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.320
Best way for these things to move forward in and
965
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:02.599
open and environment, and and that is the way that
966
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.599
things are done. So but the general audience really doesn't
967
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:08.840
know what a peer reviewed paper that they don't they
968
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.920
will not sit and read a peer reviewed paper. So
969
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.079
maybe you can come on show us some of the
970
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:18.000
pieces and talk us through Layman's terms of like what
971
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:20.800
happened to happened for this to be ruled this? What
972
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:25.719
are the implications of this? Because I mean all right,
973
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.480
say say what is the oldest.
974
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:41.280
Known what is the oldest mainstream recognized uhh site? What
975
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:42.239
what is the old is it?
976
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:42.840
Go back?
977
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.360
Go Beckley's happy, right, I would.
978
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.239
Say, go Beckley Tippy or Caring Tippy there.
979
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.079
Yeah, right, it's one of those, one of those too.
980
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:56.880
So a lot of what you're what you have would
981
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:01.679
even predate predate that by a long shot, or.
982
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.519
Be in consistence with that. I mean there could be
983
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.280
and how who knows because of the lack of excavation
984
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.639
and the lack of knowledge of that era. You know
985
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.639
what else we haven't found in the ground. I think
986
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.960
with these SAR scans and stuff that they're showing in
987
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:19.719
Egypt that we might see some of these sites be
988
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:21.440
able to be looked at with a little bit more
989
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.119
peeled back mentality. I mean, you look at what light
990
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:26.840
oar's done to the jungle, and there's all kinds of
991
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.920
cities and stuff we didn't even know about. However, to
992
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.400
get there and to to actually get the permits and
993
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.159
the science to fund it that there seems to be
994
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:36.840
a real brick wall, because some of these have been
995
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.280
discovered for a decade and we haven't even really scratched
996
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.880
the surface, you know. And then they said the same
997
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:43.760
with go Beckley Teppe. It's going to take one hundred
998
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:47.840
years to fully excavate that site. I mean one hundred years.
999
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.880
Really is this Oak Island Part two? I mean, I
1000
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.280
don't know. Man. It's really crazy though, to think that
1001
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:57.639
we can't get in there and get it done. But
1002
00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:58.679
and that's the thing.
1003
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:02.039
Another thing, because and I don't want to I don't
1004
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.119
want to attack Zahi here, but you know, he Rogan
1005
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.599
brings up these recent scans that they did, and.
1006
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.559
He Zahi almost.
1007
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:19.800
Immediately dismisses it by saying, yep, it's not I I
1008
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:25.320
ran it. He says, I ran it by the scientists
1009
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.679
in the world on this and they said it's impossible.
1010
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:37.360
And so I mean these people, because you know, Zigi's
1011
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.280
the gatekeeper for Egyptology.
1012
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:41.280
He makes the decisions.
1013
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.880
Somehow, he makes the decisions on everything and anything that
1014
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:45.960
happens in Egypt.
1015
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:48.599
So he has become the gatekeeper.
1016
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.519
And if you go against what he is saying, then
1017
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.880
you are not allowed to talk about it in a
1018
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:56.800
serious way, and that's the danger.
1019
00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.599
I'm glad he went on Rogan. I'm glad he looked
1020
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.679
like an it because I'm came off as arrogant, because
1021
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:06.639
that's who that guy is. He smokes his cigar and
1022
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.119
he fucking yells at people and screams.
1023
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:13.119
I mean he's known for that on documentaries, yelling and
1024
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.159
screaming and fit and ship.
1025
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.880
So like, that's not a to me.
1026
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.239
That's not a serious, serious scientist. That's a business man,
1027
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:23.280
right ye.
1028
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:27.360
So you know, but the what do you think? What
1029
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.800
do you think the implications of these pillars under the
1030
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.159
Great Pyramid would be? And the and things like Robert Schock,
1031
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.400
you know, if we find this this thing below the
1032
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:39.280
Sphinx's bam.
1033
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.280
Mm hmm. I think there's definitely something down there. I mean,
1034
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:48.039
we we've we've got messages in certain areas that thought
1035
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.960
left certain things and they're not supposed to be opened,
1036
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:54.000
and there's all kinds of of you know, rumors and
1037
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:56.519
and things about Egypt. But if you look at the
1038
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:59.960
team and and they're science that they've presented, there's absolute
1039
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.519
nothing in my brain that says that we should not
1040
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:05.280
at least double check based off of these scans. And
1041
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.280
those top scientists in the world to say it's impossible,
1042
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:11.760
but they don't bring any science to say why it's impossible.
1043
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:13.960
And we know that we have scanners that can look
1044
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.719
into the ground, and we see these scan and then
1045
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:20.239
we see other scans from this same company satellite underneath
1046
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.360
laboratories and things like that, showing these you know, two
1047
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.199
hundred feet in the ground bases and stuff like that.
1048
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.280
So you have to really wonder, I mean, why aren't
1049
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:31.239
we doing a core sample here? I mean, it wouldn't
1050
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.119
take much to do a core sample to see if
1051
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.199
there was a structures underneath this thing.
1052
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.159
Right, Well, that's I mean, I don't know if you want,
1053
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:39.760
I don't know how far you went into this, but
1054
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:41.079
I figure you would.
1055
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.000
You would have gone into it a lot because it
1056
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.480
is that field that you're in, you know, sort of.
1057
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:52.039
But Flint Dibble when he was on Pierce Morgan, he
1058
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:56.360
you know, he he like screamed about He's.
1059
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.800
Like, you cannot dig at the Sphinx And it was like,
1060
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.000
what do you mean, dude, They're digging all the fucking time. Yeah,
1061
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.719
like you can they core samples of of that area.
1062
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:10.840
Like you're not gonna You're not gonna blow the synks
1063
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:14.119
up because you took a core sample two hundred yards
1064
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:17.079
to the north. Like, this guy's out of his mind and.
1065
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:21.480
He represents quote unquote mainstream science in archaeology.
1066
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.559
So he went up against Graham Hancock on a debate
1067
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.519
on Joe Roman here a couple of maybe a year
1068
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:29.920
ago or something like that, and you know, he really
1069
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:33.480
was just pushing all these things. And what one thing
1070
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:36.199
was that that he came out and said actually helped
1071
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.840
our argument heavily was that that, you know, because a
1072
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:41.519
lot of these objects they come out of the ground
1073
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:43.519
and they don't have the right type of erosion. And
1074
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.039
this is a prime example here. You know that this
1075
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.840
type of stone here might actually have a glaze on
1076
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.000
it and may actually be ancient pottery or ceramic and
1077
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.800
exotic ceramic that that is there because it has a
1078
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.119
phosphorescence like pre Hispanic pottery. However, it does register a
1079
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:03.719
stone when you XRF and and look at it with analysis.
1080
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:04.840
But what is that?
1081
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.519
What is that like? What?
1082
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:10.679
Because it looks to me it looks like a like
1083
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:11.920
a tobacco pipe.
1084
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.880
Yeah, it's a pipe for sure, in tobacco and other
1085
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:19.760
not anything a psychedelic or anything was found when they
1086
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:23.159
examined the resin that Scott had. It was just tobacco
1087
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:27.039
and a couple other herbs that are local to that area.
1088
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.800
But yeah, they definitely smoked, you know.
1089
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.239
So so okay, that's what I was gonna ask, is
1090
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:38.360
so what we're saying is advanced. So this idea of
1091
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:43.760
of uh, you know, smoking tobacco and something about tobacco.
1092
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:47.440
And and uh smoking like lighting it on fire and
1093
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:50.400
inhaling it. This seems to be another thing that's passed
1094
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:56.880
down through like culture ritualistically to begin with. I think
1095
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.199
nowadays obviously, like you know, we're addicted to say, it's
1096
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:04.280
in a different way. But so there were ceremonial pipes
1097
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:06.360
and that dates back to when.
1098
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.719
I mean, you know, yeah, you've got twelve hundred years
1099
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.400
is the resonance side of it. But that doesn't mean
1100
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.039
that it wasn't right, you know, a thousand years old
1101
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:18.719
already at the time, and they were just that's the
1102
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:20.400
last time they smoked out of it. These could have
1103
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:24.360
been passed down. You know, our Native Americans, the Lakota tribe,
1104
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.800
they have they have ancient pipes that they've held in
1105
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.000
their tribe that they use on the smoke you know,
1106
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.119
the sweat lodges and the smoke sessions that they do.
1107
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.280
And so yeah, I wouldn't doubt that this is definitely
1108
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.119
something that's old.
1109
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:41.679
Do you think that something like ayahuasca, because like you
1110
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:46.960
have to think about the shamans and stuff, the way
1111
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:50.719
that they prepare, Like if you get a real shaman
1112
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:54.360
down in South America doing the ayahuasca, there's like rituals
1113
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.639
and shit to it, and it seems like it seems
1114
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:01.920
like that there's something to that whole ritual that seems
1115
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.159
like it's some like ancient tradition that's been passed down
1116
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:09.920
to like enlighten and and to maybe bring people to
1117
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:15.039
another world, to show them the capabilities and to expire
1118
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.280
inspire them to be and do the next best thing,
1119
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:21.239
because its like all of a sudden, your mind has
1120
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:27.400
just expanded to limitless uh uh capability, and it's that
1121
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.639
seems like something our ancestors will want to make sure
1122
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:35.920
made it through any disaster, right would be.
1123
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.599
This kind of how they found that out in first
1124
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.519
place is such a yeah.
1125
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.199
Like like what are the odds they would they would
1126
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:43.159
pick this and do this.
1127
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.880
And and because like people don't realize, yeah, you don't
1128
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.000
just pick it from the tree and smoke it. There's
1129
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.559
like there's so many aspects to hyahuasca and like even
1130
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:59.079
marijuana that like it has to be cultivated rightly.
1131
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.199
Interesting one that that that's my profession. I own a
1132
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.639
cannabis company. That's what I did before I researched any
1133
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.920
of this stuff. And I'm actually writing a book on
1134
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.840
cannabis because it's actually both these paths have kind of
1135
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.480
crossed in terms of the spiritual aspect and what it does.
1136
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:14.159
You know, the hippies would always say free your mind, man,
1137
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.719
and you hear this back in the day. And so
1138
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:18.840
what's funny is is they were onto something. They just
1139
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.119
didn't have the science of the pineal gland and what
1140
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:24.119
it was doing to the endocrime system and stuff like
1141
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:27.960
that to really convey it, you know, on a professional level.
1142
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.920
But now that I've done research, there's strings like keem
1143
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.519
dog and og cush and GMO cookies with these things
1144
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.480
called feels in there, which is what makes the strain gassy.
1145
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:40.599
It's also found in garlic onions and skunk spray, and
1146
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:44.360
these theols have an extreme medicinal property and effect the
1147
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:48.159
pineal gland very heavily. It can cause a homeostatic stasis
1148
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:51.320
that you can't really acquire in any other fashion. People
1149
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.400
that have add and certain types of focus issues often
1150
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:57.800
feel really relieved. They'll sleep better, they won't have nightmares
1151
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.920
as much because of these theols specifically, and that's why
1152
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.400
people are out there hunting seeds and hunting these different
1153
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:07.039
strains constantly, because they're looking for this and to get
1154
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:11.039
it consistently. It's quite uncommon in most cannabis breeds to
1155
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:14.480
get a high field count, and so I believe that
1156
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.559
this is actually giving us protection. These plant medicines are
1157
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.159
freeing our mind from this demi urge or this false
1158
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.480
reality that we live in. You know. It talks about
1159
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:25.559
the seven sins and the seven seals and the seven chakras,
1160
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:28.639
and they have to be exercised and opened in order
1161
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:31.760
to transcend, and all of these different things that cross
1162
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:35.840
into many different religions and cultures. I feel that there's
1163
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.599
real connection to that. And you know, you look at
1164
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:41.679
the romans, how they switched over the frequencies of all
1165
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.679
the instrument tunings from four what was it, four thirty
1166
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.400
two to four forty and so it went from seven
1167
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:51.000
tones to eighty. They're like, oh, we get an extra note, proactive.
1168
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.679
It's great, you know, but the reality is that the
1169
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:56.480
tones no longer sync up with the chakras, and you're
1170
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:59.199
not exercising your chakras when you're hitting the chords and
1171
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.719
hitting the different harmonics. Therefore, you're not going to free
1172
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:06.840
yourself in this respect. And I think that have you
1173
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:11.519
ever done the ayahuasca before? Yeah, so it's I mean,
1174
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:13.519
you leave your body behind like it's gone.
1175
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:15.320
You know.
1176
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:16.119
I was.
1177
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:21.880
I shot up through my head, like through my through
1178
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.280
what they call the what is this the head chakra,
1179
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:29.280
the crown, the crown chakra. It's like it was like
1180
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:32.840
I exited my body through that and then all of
1181
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.199
a sudden, I'm in this tunnel thing. But it's not
1182
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.960
a tunnel. It's also not it it looks like a tunnel.
1183
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.559
That's the best way I can visualize it to people.
1184
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.119
But it was like it was like the world was
1185
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:48.880
the universe was bent around me and I was walking
1186
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:54.039
through like this glassy universe. And then in the distance
1187
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.360
there was this being and it wasn't I know, people
1188
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.360
talk about machine elves. Mine was not a machinelf. Mine
1189
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:00.960
was just a figure.
1190
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.920
And when I looked when I, yeah, when I when
1191
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:06.920
I got to him or it when I when I
1192
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:11.519
finally got to it, it looked at me and there
1193
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:15.360
was no face. It was just emptiness and and it
1194
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.880
but it gave me a feeling that I'll never forget.
1195
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.480
And it was like your body, you shouldn't be here
1196
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.960
right now. Like it was like, it was like you
1197
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.679
should you shouldn't be here right now?
1198
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:31.800
How are you here? You need to go back?
1199
01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:35.599
And then I kind of got like mad at him,
1200
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.880
and I was like but no words were spoken. I
1201
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.280
had no idea how I became mad.
1202
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:44.000
At him, but I knew his thoughts, like I knew
1203
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:45.360
I wasn't supposed to be there.
1204
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:49.719
Right So I walked past him, like maybe two feet,
1205
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.360
but you know, it feels like eternity while you're there.
1206
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:57.039
I walked past him, I feel myself gain about two
1207
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:01.119
feet past him, boom, snap back into my body and
1208
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.840
the DMT that was d MT. Ayahuasca was a whole
1209
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:10.360
different beast, but yes, ayahuasca was was.
1210
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:15.119
I mean, wow, that was like I was like I
1211
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.519
was still here, but I was above myself and I
1212
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:25.280
was I was reviewing my soul and it was Yeah,
1213
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:30.760
it's I mean, it's truly, it's it's I I recommend
1214
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:31.920
it for people with trauma.
1215
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:36.880
Yeah, if it calls to you, you probably shouldn't turn away.
1216
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:40.960
I wouldn't recommend recreationally doing it for fun. It's definitely
1217
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.800
not a toy. And uh, it's something that should be
1218
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.480
very well utilized with an elder or a shaman, like
1219
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:50.639
you say, they have the ways, They know the drum frequencies,
1220
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:53.199
They know which way your body should be bent and
1221
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.440
how you should be sitting, and they know when to
1222
01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:57.960
catch like all these things that you're on your own.
1223
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:01.000
When you're doing this, you may think you you may
1224
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.480
go in so vere panic. That's what happened to me
1225
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:05.840
and I had. I had panic attacks for weeks after.
1226
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.039
If I thought even thought about it, I would start
1227
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:10.400
feeling I'd get the metallic taste in my mouth and
1228
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:12.920
everything like it was. It was horrendous for about a
1229
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:16.439
year after I did it, I've never touched anything else
1230
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:18.159
after that. But I'll tell you what. It gave me
1231
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:23.359
such a respect because it it.
1232
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:29.840
Shows you everything that you you've hidden, that you've bottled up,
1233
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:33.920
and you know, any any coping mechanisms you use. It
1234
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:36.159
shines a light on them and is like and like
1235
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:39.720
you're you're too busy being afraid of going back to
1236
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:43.960
that that everything else is like, ah, dude, it's it's
1237
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:47.640
easy to just not want to do because you never
1238
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:50.439
I've never thrown up so much in my life.
1239
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:53.600
Yeah.
1240
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:59.119
So, But but anyway, so I say this because we think.
1241
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:04.840
Of technology as this, right, this block, this, this, this
1242
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:09.079
would look like magic. By the way, at least what
1243
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:12.720
we're told to the Egyptians, if we showed them a
1244
01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.720
backup battery, that would blow their minds. You know, this
1245
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.880
cell phone has more technology in it than the spacecraft
1246
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.319
that went up to the moon. We look at technology
1247
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:29.600
as like hard, right, this technological. But do you think
1248
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:34.279
our ancestors also had technology that is what was non physical,
1249
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:38.840
it was consciousness based or like you say, sound like
1250
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.039
and frequency the keys to the universe. Do you think
1251
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:45.640
that there was technology that we wouldn't necessarily call technology.
1252
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:49.960
Maybe we'd say it was magic. Do you think that
1253
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:51.119
they possessed such a thing.
1254
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.119
Yeah, I absolutely do, And I think on two levels,
1255
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:57.000
you know, I think we find a lot of pieces.
1256
01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:01.079
We find wands with crystals on them, we find pendulums,
1257
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.960
we find Ouiji boards, we find all of these type
1258
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:10.079
of things. This scream yeah, yeah, full on, full on
1259
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:11.319
wigi boards with them.
1260
01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:14.359
I thought the Ouiji board was like, I thought that
1261
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:16.159
was all invention.
1262
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.960
Well that's what they want you to think about chess too,
1263
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:22.159
But we find chess boards as well. You go back
1264
01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:25.119
to India and it's called the age Old Game at chess,
1265
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:28.279
probably for a reason. And but yet you know, there's
1266
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:30.920
there's all these false positives. Oh, this was created in
1267
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:34.399
the thirteen hundreds. The Lady Guadalupe can't be any older
1268
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:37.960
than that. Well that's when she became popularized and bappelm
1269
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.840
it was first illustrated in the thirteen hundreds, you know,
1270
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:43.199
but that doesn't mean that they didn't take it off
1271
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:46.479
of ancient sources and descriptions from the Library of Alexandria,
1272
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.039
which we don't have anymore. We created this being that
1273
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.000
ends up looking just like the one that we find
1274
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:54.600
carved into pieces in Mexico, Like that's a false positive. Scientifically,
1275
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.439
you can't disclaim something just because someone invented it. Look
1276
01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:00.159
at the Naska mummies with these implants. Okay, inside of
1277
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.960
them is osmium, which is what we use on satellites
1278
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.239
and stuff, and that wasn't for synthesized until the early
1279
01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:07.960
nineteen hundreds. But the thing with osmium is that it
1280
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:11.279
takes tons and tons of platinum refining in order to
1281
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:13.319
get just a little bit of it. So you can't
1282
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.319
just mine out a big old block of osmium and
1283
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:17.399
be like, yeah, I'm gonna pound this into an implantlant,
1284
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:19.520
like it has to be it has to be refined.
1285
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:22.399
And so these bodies are eighteen hundred and fifty years
1286
01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:26.640
old on the carbon dating. How did they have osmium? Men? Right,
1287
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.399
But again this will never be talked about on the news,
1288
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.760
like they just claim these things to be cake, and
1289
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:35.960
I mean the science behind them is so overwhelming. It's
1290
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:40.079
actually a really good role model, you know, but it's also.
1291
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:43.880
Pretty It's so funny that you said they joke about
1292
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.680
the cake because that cake.
1293
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:46.960
Thing that that was, like.
1294
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:51.600
It was honestly a genius way to discredit the whole thing,
1295
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:56.600
turn it into a meme as quick as possible, and.
1296
01:11:57.279 --> 01:11:59.800
Then there was demand for evidence. And what's funny is
1297
01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:02.520
is we actually spent fifteen thousand dollars. I bought two
1298
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:05.399
Nasca mummies on October I believe it was the seventh
1299
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.039
through the eighth. It was right after the congressional hearing
1300
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:10.960
with Timi Massam in Mexico. And they came out on
1301
01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:12.800
the news saying that they were fake and that they
1302
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.399
were cake. And there was a gentleman down there that
1303
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:19.079
I talked to researching this stuff, Fernando Cordoba. He allowed
1304
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:20.560
me to publish a lot of the pictures of the
1305
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:24.319
Naska mummies in my book, and I ended up getting
1306
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:26.560
in touch with someone that knew him, and they sent
1307
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:29.800
me to dolls. They dressed them up like dolls, and
1308
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.720
they sent them. You might have seen the pictures. They've
1309
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:35.039
become famous. And what's interesting is they went through the
1310
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:38.039
DHL scanners and you could see that there was metal
1311
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:41.680
implants and the bones and everything. But they claimed that
1312
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:44.880
those were once constructed by animal bones, and looking back
1313
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:46.880
at the pictures now, they very well could have been.
1314
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:49.560
They may have even sold them to me and constructed
1315
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.359
these just to come out and try to smear it
1316
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.680
as a thing. And so this actually has really influenced
1317
01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:58.520
Himy Massin's three hundred and fifty three hundred and fifty
1318
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:03.279
million dollar lawsuit against Peru for slander and disinformation because
1319
01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:06.560
they completely tried to gut this guy's career, calling him
1320
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:09.720
a fraud when they have no evidence and he does.
1321
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.359
And so this is an ongoing lawsuit currently, but I
1322
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:16.079
think it's it's definitely something that should be noted that
1323
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:18.840
they might be going to that level even to try
1324
01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:21.079
to you know, create fakes their own. And we have
1325
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:24.119
that that gentleman I mentioned Max that gave testimony in
1326
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.640
my book. He states specifically that the cartels are making
1327
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:31.199
pieces like this in replica of the real ones just
1328
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:34.319
to saturate the market with fakes for whatever purpose, to
1329
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:35.359
try to keep it a secret.
1330
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:39.640
And I believe that we've seen it, you know, maybe
1331
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:44.039
some quid pro quoe between you know, the intelligence community
1332
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:48.039
or like whatever in the cartels. Like all right, you know,
1333
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:53.119
because we know that things get things people can be bought,
1334
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:58.800
and things can get they get let slid, you know,
1335
01:13:59.039 --> 01:13:59.760
if you want to call it.
1336
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:03.159
So you know there's these quid pro quos like maybe, hey,
1337
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:05.159
you do this for me and we'll let this much
1338
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:08.600
get in you know, no matter what. Right, are you
1339
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:15.760
talking about politics just in general? Yeah right, yeah, just yeah, yeah, yeah,
1340
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:19.000
just in just in general. So we know that that
1341
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:19.760
people can.
1342
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:24.439
Be corrupted and people are ultimately the ones controlling this
1343
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:26.600
at the end of the day, and they're flawed.
1344
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:29.640
Well that's a very good point.
1345
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:33.239
I mean, everything we see on these pieces is these
1346
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.880
you know, fallen angel looking beings and stuff. And if
1347
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:40.319
you look at the occult and Ouiji boards and World
1348
01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:43.239
War two and what the thool and viural societies were
1349
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:47.039
doing to get information and technology for Adolf Hitler and
1350
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.119
the war there, and how World War One ended with
1351
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:53.399
the Ottoman Empire who had all the Babylonian relics because
1352
01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:56.640
they had just conquered constants and oples some years prior,
1353
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.359
all those Babylonian relics. I mean, that's the Ananaki stuff.
1354
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:02.920
And so if we're finding Ouiji boards and all kinds
1355
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:06.800
of occult tools here in Mexico, that I can only
1356
01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.039
imagine what they found in the City of err and
1357
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:11.600
some of these places in there that you know, you
1358
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.760
look back to like Zacharai Sitchen's work and right before
1359
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.800
the Gulf War and some of the stuff that they found.
1360
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:20.279
I mean, we're just now getting to see the stuff
1361
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:25.920
out of the Nimrod's discovery there and I just saw
1362
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.359
some of the gold pieces and stuff. I mean, this
1363
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:31.359
is twenty years ago already, you know, and it's crazy.
1364
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.880
It's truly, it really is.
1365
01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:38.680
It blows me away that, I mean, really like the
1366
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:42.600
you know, because this fairy tale that we as kids
1367
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:46.279
that we're told is that you know, there's the history
1368
01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:49.520
books and we know everything right because you look at
1369
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:52.880
adults and you go, well, you know, whether it's your
1370
01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:59.600
parents or that figure in your life, that the parental figure,
1371
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:01.840
role model, you know, you look at them and they're
1372
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:02.079
like you.
1373
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:03.960
One day, I'm gonna be like them and I'm gonna
1374
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:04.880
have all the answers.
1375
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:08.000
And you know, it's not until you slowly get older
1376
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:10.800
that you realize everybody is winging it day by day
1377
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:13.159
and nobody has any answers.
1378
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:15.359
We all just pretend that we do.
1379
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:19.520
And you know that's the big, the big curtain pull
1380
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:24.439
the OZ moment, if you will, because you know, we
1381
01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:29.119
realize that our our parents, they're they're not God's they're there,
1382
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.920
and that we're not heroes and we're not villains, and
1383
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:35.640
that you know the But but then we're told that
1384
01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:38.159
the world is black and white and we find out
1385
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:41.359
that there's so much more gray than anyone ever.
1386
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:42.159
Led us to believe.
1387
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.239
Right, So, and who who do you think was the
1388
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.880
first one to cover this notion of aliens?
1389
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:51.000
Up? I bet it was the Church.
1390
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:55.159
Yeah, I would definitely say that this goes back to
1391
01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:57.720
the Catholic Church. And I'm not meaning to isolate because
1392
01:16:57.760 --> 01:16:59.560
it could be elsewhere to but I think with the
1393
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:03.119
Roman being sad, are worshippers and then all of a sudden,
1394
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:06.479
overnight Constantine says, yeah, we're Christian now that you know,
1395
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:08.800
they're also the ones that killed Jesus. And if you
1396
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:11.760
look at the persecution of the early Christians, they went
1397
01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.399
through and gutted these Orthodox religions, like right now, there's
1398
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:18.159
only two percent blood. Jews like that actually have the
1399
01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:21.159
blood in their system that they're supposed to do, so
1400
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:24.119
two percent is so low at this point you think
1401
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:26.880
the Holocaust probably had something to do with that. And
1402
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:28.920
then you look at these religions and look at the
1403
01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.079
new covenants that have been formed that kind of pushed
1404
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:34.079
the Orthodox out. And I mean, obviously there's things that
1405
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:37.159
from the Orthodox that they wanted to try to migrate
1406
01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:39.199
away from, or that it was, you know, in the
1407
01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:42.560
old fashion. But still, I think that it's very important
1408
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.439
to see, like right now, specifically the Orthodox Jews, and
1409
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:50.079
how much their opinion differentiates from you know, Israel the country,
1410
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:52.319
or what's going on over there. You know, you see
1411
01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:55.840
interviews with them, and it's it just doesn't add up. So, yeah,
1412
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.000
the church, you know, everybody, there's even movies about it,
1413
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:03.479
having all these relics in their basements or whatever. For
1414
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:08.239
what reason though, is the big question? And you know,
1415
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:12.680
I guess, I guess it's just maybe if this demiurge
1416
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:14.560
story is real, then that would make sense that they're
1417
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.640
just trying to cover up their tracks. It says in
1418
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.119
the Bible that the devil's biggest deception will be to
1419
01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:21.600
make it seem like he doesn't exist. And if you
1420
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:24.399
look at the cathar people, which is a big one,
1421
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.359
the cathart people accepted Jesus and yet they were still
1422
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:30.560
burned at the stake and completely eradicated. And I'm not
1423
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:33.279
talking just one pope had it out for him. I'm
1424
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:37.840
talking nine popes gutted the civilization, man, woman, and child
1425
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:41.439
because they had Enochian beliefs that they believed there was
1426
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.560
two gods, one in the Old Testament that was a
1427
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:46.199
bad God and one that was a good God. And
1428
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:49.279
I think that that's the demiurge story and the the
1429
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:53.479
divine intervention that we see as this separation. If you
1430
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.319
notice they're called demi gods, well that's probably because they're
1431
01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:59.600
creations of the demi urge, you know. But this demiurge
1432
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:03.760
is something that's suppressed heavily and I and that I
1433
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:05.359
can't I can't get away from it, you know.
1434
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:08.600
Yeah, I mean if we if we look at the Church,
1435
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:13.800
you know, as a whole at the time, you know,
1436
01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:18.359
their judge, jurys and executioners, right, so that they run
1437
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:23.720
the land of the law, and and you know, I
1438
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:27.079
don't know, so I kind of consider it the first
1439
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.399
intelligence agency, you know, And.
1440
01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:34.520
I would love to be able to raid their archives,
1441
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:35.439
that the Vatican.
1442
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:40.640
But I mean, do you think like, given the given
1443
01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:43.600
what you've found or you know, what the things that
1444
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:48.880
you've been that you've seen, would do you think that
1445
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:51.680
like something like the Holy Grail or the Arc of
1446
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.479
the Covenant. Could it be real and put it have
1447
01:19:55.720 --> 01:20:02.039
the power or possess something that it's said too or
1448
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:04.119
is this just misunderstood technology.
1449
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.800
Now I absolutely think it's real, not only because there
1450
01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:10.800
was a government paper that was declassified recently from the
1451
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.279
Pentagon claiming that they remote viewed the Arc of the
1452
01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:17.439
Covenant and multiple things around it. That was just too
1453
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:19.920
much to I mean, the fact that this is a
1454
01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:24.319
CIA document was just blowing my mind. But that aside,
1455
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:27.119
you know, we find all these pieces. We've actually found
1456
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.760
arcs in Mexico, which is interesting. And they had the
1457
01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:34.479
elongated heads on the chair, the cherubim on there, which
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01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:36.720
that could be why it's hidden out. It might have
1459
01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.760
a different looking being. I mean, obviously everything was humanized
1460
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.960
at one point, but maybe in the Antidiluvians with Moses
1461
01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.159
and pre back that we have different elongated head beings.
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01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:48.960
I mean, you look at Osiris and you look at
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01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:52.720
some of these things, it could be consistent with that.
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01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:54.399
A lot of these pieces. Let me see if I
1465
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.119
can find a quick example. Here they have what looked
1466
01:20:57.159 --> 01:21:04.600
like mermaids on them, and let's see here the mermaid
1467
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:07.920
thing is really fascinating because you can see, you know,
1468
01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:16.560
it's got this this is like a winged being and
1469
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:18.800
then he's got this like serpent like tail that comes
1470
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:22.439
back here to a fishtail, right. And if you look
1471
01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:27.000
at the you know, being Deagone, and the relation to
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01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.479
the Pope's hat there and and certain things to the
1473
01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:33.439
fish and Jesus besides and all these things that came
1474
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:37.479
out of the sea Atlantis, there's a lot of correlation there.
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01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:40.000
And if you go back to Osiris, who was supposed
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01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:44.159
to be the first Pharaoh, his feet in every depiction
1477
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.600
of him are not like any other Egyptian's feet. They're
1478
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:52.920
always banded together. It looks like one foot and I Osiris,
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01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.239
and it talks, it talks about isis how she had
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01:21:57.279 --> 01:22:00.039
to rebandage his legs all the time. And so some
1481
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:01.840
people say it's because he was half in the living
1482
01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:06.159
world and half in the the dead or whatever. But
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01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:09.239
I find that it's really a specific shape that they're
1484
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:11.880
depicting his legs, and he very well could have been
1485
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:14.079
one of these beings that came out of the sea
1486
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.960
that they are talked about by the Dogon people. Because
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01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:19.800
the Dogon people some somewhere in the in the past
1488
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:23.039
got exiled out of Egypt. Nobody can tell me why.
1489
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:26.640
And they're the people of the dog Uh. They're also
1490
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:29.439
the people who supposedly brought cannabis here. They told the
1491
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.760
Greeks that they brought cannabis here from a place called
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01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.039
serious B And this was thirty four hundred years ago
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01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:38.600
that Greek scholars documented this, right, And we.
1494
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:42.000
Didn't even know that that existed until like a modern
1495
01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:43.039
recent right.
1496
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:46.680
And that's and that also gives that notion of rediscovery,
1497
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:51.479
Like just because someone invented something or discovered something doesn't
1498
01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.000
mean it hasn't been discovered. It just your society hasn't
1499
01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:55.840
discovered it yet.
1500
01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:59.640
So what is discovery? What is invention if not? You know,
1501
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:01.000
like that feeling that you.
1502
01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:04.000
Have when you do music, right, that idea of the
1503
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:08.479
muse and pulling from the heat there, you know, and and.
1504
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:10.119
So that it brings them.
1505
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:12.239
Right.
1506
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:17.960
Yeah, So Osirius's legs is always always put together.
1507
01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:20.159
You'll never see him separate every other you know, you
1508
01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:22.640
see there with well, I don't know if that's probably
1509
01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:25.680
isis there, but her feet are always separated. All the
1510
01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:29.520
gods set and thought, they all have two feet in
1511
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:34.520
almost every depiction nothing like that. But I'm just thinking
1512
01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:36.880
he may you know, and he's he's got the elongated
1513
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:40.880
head too, and gave birth to the the Pharaohs and
1514
01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:44.000
what not to have elongated heads like Akinatin and so
1515
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:48.319
on down the down the line, and so that that
1516
01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:51.680
could be where the evolution came in to be humanistic
1517
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:55.640
like that, that might be where that came from. His
1518
01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:58.439
skin's also green, which is peculiar.
1519
01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:02.920
Yeah, and he really is always depicted as this like,
1520
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:04.520
and he's got the.
1521
01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.520
Beard and his beard's not strapped on.
1522
01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:07.640
Right.
1523
01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:10.439
Oh, so about the beard. I was explaining this earlier
1524
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:13.000
and I got sidetracked. I'll do that a lot. I apologize,
1525
01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.159
but it's a lot to go over the braiding of
1526
01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:18.439
that beard. If you look at it. We actually have
1527
01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:20.600
pieces here and I'm gonna look around to see if
1528
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:23.720
I can find one, but they have what looked like
1529
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.279
Cethulhu on them, and you can see here this one
1530
01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:30.800
has the beard on this being. You can see his
1531
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.319
head and he has it, and so they have like
1532
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:35.680
a garment on there. You can see it's almost like
1533
01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:38.800
a woven garment that's holding this thing in and it's
1534
01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:41.720
not quite the same as the Egyptian one. But the
1535
01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:44.439
Egyptians did this to resemble the creators of chemists. So
1536
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:48.199
this could be one of those creators here. And these beings,
1537
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:50.560
if you were to take this garment off, it looks
1538
01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:53.880
like Davy Jones. It's straight squid faced. And so that's
1539
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:55.880
why they braided them and wore this garment to cover
1540
01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:58.720
up their tentacles. And if you look at those dog
1541
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:01.760
on people, they had encounter with what's called the nomo
1542
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.359
and they were amphibious creatures that came out of the
1543
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:06.119
sea and provided them knowledge.
1544
01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:12.039
And uh, that's a story concept, and that's a story
1545
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:15.000
that we hear over and over again in ancient cultures.
1546
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:18.199
Is a being a guy, not a guy, but a
1547
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.680
being that comes from the sea that restarts civilization.
1548
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:25.319
And emerging from the waters, emerging from the water, you know,
1549
01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:30.000
whether it's Cucko Khan or uh. And and what is
1550
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:30.960
that the Aztecs?
1551
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:35.880
And then yeah, there's I mean, there's so many examples
1552
01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:40.239
of it Osiris and then could these both yeah, and.
1553
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:46.720
You know, could again could these be? Could Egyptians? And
1554
01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:50.640
like you said, with the braids emulating and then the
1555
01:25:50.720 --> 01:25:55.000
elongated skulls, why does that happen across cultures, you know, for.
1556
01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:57.319
The same reason. And they say it's waterboarded, right, they
1557
01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:00.159
say they're banded together or abandoning or whatever. Not water right,
1558
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.920
I said that wrong. But but but but they did
1559
01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:05.880
it to look more like their gods.
1560
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:10.880
Yeah, that there's no reason other than to to disfigure
1561
01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:14.640
yourself like that would that that would be the ultimate,
1562
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:19.319
the ultimate showcase of I want to I mean, we
1563
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:22.359
talk about the cargo cults, right, and that idea of
1564
01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:26.279
of what it means to worship and what it means
1565
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:31.039
to to to really divinely believe in something, and you
1566
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:35.279
see it here with the elongation of uh babies and
1567
01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:37.840
and doing that to your child like that takes a
1568
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:41.720
certain commitment. And that commitment comes in this weird part
1569
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:46.960
of our DNA, that this want to to appease this
1570
01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.079
god or to this this higher power.
1571
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:52.680
It's like wideer in our DNA.
1572
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:56.159
And then you know, again you go back to the
1573
01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:59.760
court notion of where we tinkered with by some sort
1574
01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.199
of civilization like that, and it kind of all circular
1575
01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:07.279
tells the story of most likely because we clear like
1576
01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:10.399
every other organism on this planet has something that they
1577
01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:12.359
do for the ecosystem.
1578
01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:15.680
Except us, except us. We just want to create, and
1579
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:17.359
we we like this iPhone.
1580
01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:21.920
If we stopped making Yes, if we stopped making iPhones today,
1581
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:25.399
they would work just fine forever if we just stopped.
1582
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:28.479
And and we're like, this is the one, this is
1583
01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:31.720
the one. Like we're good, We're good. We can halt
1584
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:33.079
all production.
1585
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:35.279
We're good. We got everything we need.
1586
01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:40.680
But we can't do that. We can't And and uh,
1587
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:42.159
like you said, we're consumers.
1588
01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.479
And you know that story of the Aki and us
1589
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:48.760
wanting gold and why is gold so valuable to us?
1590
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:52.640
The gold is a weird one. It is a very
1591
01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:55.399
weird one. So I mean, do you believe that?
1592
01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:01.359
Again, this is speculation, and you know, we will definitely
1593
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:04.479
wrap this conversation up, but I'd love to, like I said.
1594
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:06.159
I'd love to fly you in after that peer reviewed
1595
01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:09.760
paper and kind of dive into this a little bit
1596
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:14.119
more broadly because I love this topic. I haven't talked
1597
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:14.920
about it in a while.
1598
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:22.239
But I mean, if you had to sum up your mission,
1599
01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:27.439
and you know, not one sentence, but if you had
1600
01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:30.319
to give the elevator pitch on what your mission is
1601
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:33.359
to the people watching or listening right now, you know,
1602
01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:34.000
what is that?
1603
01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:39.199
What would it be? My mission was to either disprove
1604
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:44.119
or prove these items to be either antiquities or modern replications.
1605
01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:45.920
At one point or another, it was either going to
1606
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:48.720
be the biggest hoax I'd ever seen or something that
1607
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:52.640
was so epic to our origin story and our history
1608
01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:55.760
that it was even at the point zero zero one percent,
1609
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.279
I had to follow it. And so my mission is
1610
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:02.560
is to assimilate the truth out of this one way
1611
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:06.680
or the other, and also encourage others to demand science
1612
01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:11.119
and evidence rather than just caving into what the celebrity
1613
01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:13.880
says and trusting it. Because just like our ai and
1614
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:16.840
our celebrities and our news stations, we all know that
1615
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:21.119
there's manipulation there with whether it's politics or religion, all
1616
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:23.760
these things. Look at the game of telephone when when
1617
01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:25.800
you're in kindergarten, are you going to trust what the
1618
01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:28.199
kid tells you or are you going to go out
1619
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:30.359
there and and and figure it out for yourself? And
1620
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:32.079
that's I think where we're at is we have to
1621
01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:35.279
do some of this for ourselves to make sure and
1622
01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:36.760
if we don't put our hands on it.
1623
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:41.680
Who's going to absolutely absolutely.
1624
01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:44.279
And where can where can people I know, you say
1625
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:48.880
you have some documentaries out, and so what do the
1626
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:51.520
I'll put all the links in the description below. But
1627
01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:54.520
where can people find your work? And and and where
1628
01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:55.439
can people follow you?
1629
01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:59.079
Yeah, Aliencarvings dot Com is our website and it's a
1630
01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:02.319
compendium of of just a bit of everything on there.
1631
01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:05.000
All the papers from Mexico, all that stuff is there,
1632
01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:09.600
carbon dates, our documentaries are all on YouTube at Alien Carvings.
1633
01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:13.800
All of our social media is at Alien Carvings. And yeah,
1634
01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:16.760
I mean our books are all available on Amazon under
1635
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:17.560
Michael Forrest.
1636
01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:22.159
Yeah, okay, yeah, we've got you know, everything's you know,
1637
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:26.880
a hard book with just extensive pictures and documentation of
1638
01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:28.359
you know, as much.
1639
01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:32.720
Photographic journalism that I could take. I'm a photographer more
1640
01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:37.359
than I am a writer. But at the same same point,
1641
01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:39.359
I've become a writer now because of this topic.
1642
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:43.520
So you gotta that's the thing, right, you become you
1643
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.640
become the That's what I for myself as well as
1644
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:48.760
like you know, obviously in different fields.
1645
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:52.800
But I'm like I'm the host. I I I get
1646
01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:56.279
the guests, I maintain the guest relationships, I edit the show,
1647
01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:59.720
I I write, I do all this stuff. Uh, so
1648
01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:02.560
you know, when you get in this topic, you become
1649
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:07.119
you become a walking machine of of like how to
1650
01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:09.880
get things out there. So it's it's super fun to
1651
01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:12.840
watch that process, you know, from from that side, and
1652
01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:17.319
hopefully I can help elevate the conversation and and even
1653
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:19.359
the slightest pit and get it out there.
1654
01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:22.199
So you're always, you know, you're always welcome back to
1655
01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:23.159
talk about this stuff.
1656
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:23.680
I love.
1657
01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:29.359
Of ancient civilizations and lost knowledge and like I said,
1658
01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:33.119
read just because you know, even Tesla, right, guys like
1659
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:39.119
Tesla Einstein, they all talk about like you know, all oftentimes.
1660
01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:40.760
Genius and geniuses they.
1661
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:45.079
Talk that they they're just conduit and it's like the
1662
01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:50.000
knowledge even you know, with Oppenheimer, it's like the muse
1663
01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:54.640
is there and it's working through them and that's you know,
1664
01:31:54.920 --> 01:32:01.520
there's something there. So, you know, the rediscovery of technology
1665
01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:05.600
or these things, you know, these artifacts. Uh, it's something
1666
01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:09.560
that I think we always should give a second look
1667
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:13.199
at because we owe it to ourselves to understand our
1668
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:15.840
origins and to understand our place in the universe.
1669
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:18.520
I don't understand why people don't take this more seriously.
1670
01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:21.880
So thank you so much for joining us.
1671
01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:25.680
Michael it was such a pleasure, absolutely anytime.
1672
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.239
So and to everyone else out there, you know what
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it is like. Subscribe all that.
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Uh.
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And if you're listening on a podcast platform, leave it
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review and and a and h a five star rating.
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It really helps with that fucking algorithm, that pesky pesky algorithm.
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All right, keep looking up right, uh And Michael, thank
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you again. We'll see you guys next time.
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And then
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As