Mega Edition: The Maxwell Sisters And The Untimely Demise Of Al Seckel (4/5/26)

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And this is an article from The Cut and this
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article was released on August twenty first of two thousand
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and nineteen. The author of the article is Bridget read
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the headline Gilaine Maxwell's twin sisters have their own wild stories.
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I mean, does that shock anybody that Gilaine Maxwell's sisters
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are crazy as well? They all grew up with Papa Maxwell.
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They all grew up in that same sort of court
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of mayhem that Bob Maxwell lived in. So is anybody
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shocked that they have their own wild stories? Or they're
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both fed up as well as Gilaine Maxwell. Maxwell hides
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out somewhere in the world at one of America's burger joints,
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or maybe in her boyfriend seaside mansion or neither. Her
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unconventional family with its own scandalous history has come back
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into view. And of course that happens, right if you
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have one of these eccentric families, one of these families
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where there are a lot of people who are you know, odd,
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I guess you would say, involved in some weird shit. Well,
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that is the Maxwell's. They're definitely one of those unconventional,
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unconventional families where they have a lot of people involved
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in a lot of odd shit. And when you have
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someone like Gilayan Maxwell who gets thrusted to the forefront
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of the news, of course it's going to shine a
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light on her family as well, and people are going
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to start digging, and people are going to start searching
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for whatever they can find that has to do with
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Gileayane Maxwell's upbringing. On Saturday, we got a rare glimpse
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of Maxwell's sixty nine year old sister, Christine, who was
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spotted packing up a car outside of a hotel near
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the Manchester by the Sea residence where Gilaine had been
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rumored to be staying. So again, I have no idea
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where Gelaine Maxwell is or was. I haven't seen any
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sort of credible evidence that would that would point us
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in a direction where we could find her. But when
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this article was first published, of course that you know,
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they were just on too the case, right, They were
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just looking into where Gilaine Maxwell might be. So who knows.
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She might have been at the mansion by the Manchester
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by the Sea at some point, and she might be
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there today. Again, I have no idea. It's the first
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sighting of one of Maxwell's family members since pedophile billionaire
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Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in death and a hint of whom
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Maxwell might be leaning on as she avoids the authorities.
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She has been accused by several Epstein survivors of helping
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to traffic dozens of underage girls for sex, some of
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whom are suing her as a co conspirator in Epstein's crimes.
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This is a great article by the cut. They're using
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all the right language and everything, and this was back
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in August, Okay, co conspirator, pedophile. But one thing that
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I think they're missing here is I doubt that Gelane
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Maxwell would attempt to hide with her family. I think
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that would be one of the first places that priv
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investigators would look, the authorities would look. I think that
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Gilaine Maxwell would have to go deep into her war
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chest and find people that she knows are about that life,
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the life of protecting somebody like her, the life of
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living very cautiously so that your cover isn't blown. So
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I don't think that she would be with the Maxwell's
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with her family. I believe that she's with other operatives
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or people who have been operatives at some point, and
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we know that they have safe houses all over the world.
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Right who knows where she could be. I'm not going
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to sit here and make a guess. I doubt though.
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One thing I will say, like I said previously when
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we were talking about this a little bit, one thing
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I will say is I highly doubt that she is
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still in the United States. If she was in the
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United States, she would be put on blast already. They
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would have found her. The PIS would have found her,
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the law would have found her. Somebody would have exposed
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where she is. So I highly doubt she's in the
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United States right now. Christine is just one of Maxwell's
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even living siblings. Her sister Kareein and brother Michael died
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at ages three and fifteen. A brother Philip, and the
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eldest daughter Anne have not been heard from publicly for
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at least a decade. But tracing the four others Christine
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and her twin sister Isabelle, Kevin, and Ian, along with Elaine,
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who at fifty seven is the youngest, is like watching
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a real life season of succession, as these heirs to
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their disgraced media mogul father's empire have strived toward their
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own ambitions. That is a great a great comparison. Now,
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if you don't watch the show's succession. As soon as
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you're done listening to this podcast, go do yourself a favor,
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throw on HBO and watch the show. It is absolutely amazing.
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It's about a media mogul and his family that is
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all jockeying for position to try and take over the
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reins from their father. And of course there's a bunch
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of other stuff subplots that are going on, et cetera,
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et cetera. But I cannot recommend that show enough. Me
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and Lisa from The Prince and the Pervert podcast, we're
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just talking about it a little bit and she's into
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the show as well obviously, and it's just awesome and
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it really mirrors the Maxwell's almost right. This is really
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a good comparison. I never really put two and two
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together thinking about it, because I never really think about
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the Maxwells as a whole family unit. I'm so focused
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on Guilaine or Robert most of the time that I
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sometimes forget about the sisters and how involved they are
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and how they've had their fingers in a lot of
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pies as well. So I'm glad that I pulled this
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article out of the archive today and decided to use
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it because it gives us a little refresher course and
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reminds us that Maxwell's family, they're also smarmy. Twin sisters
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Christine and Isabelle are the most fascinating of the bunch
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and have their own ties to entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs on orthodox
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and in some cases shady men. The family patriarch media
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mogul Robert Maxwell built the publishing empire and plytical career
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in the United Kingdom. We just talked about Robert Maxwell.
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We just went through the whole situation of his death
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and the aftermath, et cetera, et cetera. But we know
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that Robert Maxwell was connected big time, and we know
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that he was also seriously connected when it comes to intelligence. Now,
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he had a state funeral in Israel after he passed away.
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That doesn't just happen for anybody. Not just anybody gets
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a state funeral in Israel. It's only for people who
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have you know, done something to help the further the
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cause of the nation, right, and that's like anywhere. But
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Robert Maxwell, well, we know how he was furthering the cause.
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We know that he had his hands on some very
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uh let us say, devious strings. But he died suddenly
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in nineteen ninety one from a supposed fall from his yacht,
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though there is speculation that he was pushed after it
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was discovered that he had plundered his company's mention funds
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to cover his debts. Maxwell's sons, Kevin and Ian, who
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had been working for their father, were caught up in
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the investigation of his fraud. Since then, they've laid somewhat
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low as businessmen, now sixty and sixty three, respectively. It
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is unknown how much contact they've had with Gilaine, but
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neither one has made a statement about her publicly for
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many years, and that's interesting right now. Either they just
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keep everything close to the vest, and they learned their
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lesson from their father and at his side of how
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to conduct themselves when it comes to making sure things
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are quiet and making sure they're not divulging information, or
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they might have just said, you know what, she's too sick,
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even for us. We don't want anything to do with her.
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Who knows, you know, there's no information about Gilaine Maxwell's
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relationship with her brothers that I know of, or even
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to a deep extent, the rest of her family, besides
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the relationship with her father. But there's really I mean,
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I don't know of any journalist or author who has
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sat down with one of the Maxwells and gotten a
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full story from them. If anyone has seen something like that,
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I would love to see it. So if you have
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access to that and there's an article perhaps where one
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of the Maxwells has sat down and spoke with and
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spoken to a journalist, I would definitely love to check
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that out. So make sure you send that to me
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if it's out there and I've missed it. Christine and
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Isabelle had more freedom to strike out on their own
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after the demise of the Maxwell Empire in the nineteen eighties.
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They decamped to Silicon Valley, and in nineteen ninety three
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they helped co found Magellan, an early search engine, with
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Isabelle's then husband, David Hayden Man. I remember the Magellan
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search engine back in the old old old days when
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the Internet first started. You know, then obviously you had Internet,
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the America Online, and then you had God, there was
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another one. It's escaping me right now, but there was
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all sorts of these kind of things when the Internet
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first started. And obviously AOL was the big gorilla in
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the room. According to the Daily Beasts, The sisters appear
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in Michael Wolfe's book on dot com startups burn Rate.
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Wolf describes Christine as more commanding than her sister, but
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both Maxwell's are memorable characters early Winkelvoss prototypes. In a
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nineteen ninety seven interview, Isabelle credits her sister with coming
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up with the idea of reviewing and rating. Again, you
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see what I'm saying here, folks. These women have been
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ensconced in Silicone Valley since the early nineties, and they've
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been involved in the creation of a lot of computer programs,
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a lot of programs that are used by governments around
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the world. And my question has always been, what sort
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of backdoor did they put into those operating systems? What
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sort of backdoor did they create for themselves so that
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they can remotely access those programs? Now, co course you
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want to. If you're being skeptical or this is any
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other case, you're like, oh, come on, can't You can't
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really think that they're going to do that. But then
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when you think about who they are and their stock,
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who their father is, who their sister is, the sort
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of people they've hung around with, then you start to
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see a bigger picture emerge and you say to yourself, well, eh,
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it's pretty likely that they added some sort of backdoor
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software to the programs that they created. The twins made
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millions when Magellan was sold to another company, Excite, but
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according to Isabelle, it cooled the relationship between the two
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of them when McKinley Magellan's parent company didn't make it.
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Our relationship changed, Isabelle said, in two thousand and two,
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and I changed in terms of my relationship with my family.
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Before then, I was completely in sync with the family.
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When something got to them, it got to me too.
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So after two thousand and two, everything seemed to go
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south for them, and their relationship changed. And also of note,
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in two two thousand and two, Helaine Maxwell was at
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basically her pinnacle with Jeffrey Epstein. They were flying high.
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In two thousand and two, everything was going good for them.
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They had all the pieces in place. The machine was
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a well oiled machine. Things were moving, nothing was breaking down.
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They had all the proper pieces around them, and the
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criminal organization was on its way to becoming what we
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seen at its peak. When it was destroyed, well, I
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shouldn't even say destroyed, because we don't even know that
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for a fact, if it's destroyed, right, I should say,
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until the head at the time, Jeffrey Epstein was arrested.
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So again, I'm not willing to say that the trafficking
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ring is even destroyed. Who knows. We don't have any
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information about that, right, We don't know what these people
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are still doing in the dark. So two thousand and
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two was a year for not only Maxwell's sisters, of
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them having their relationship kind to go on the skids,
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but it was also a point in time where Gilain
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Maxwell was at her peak of being involved with Jeffrey
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Epstein and having the whole entire honey trap put in
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motion and moving forward. Since then, both sisters seem to
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have remained in the software and technology spheres. Christine is
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a doctoral candidate in the Humanities Department at the University
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of Texas at Dallas and continues to consult for her
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for internet companies. Her UTD website lists a personal website,
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Christine'sworld dot com, which is no longer active, but it
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does have the brief personal statement that she came to
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the university in January twenty twelve and she's enjoying academia
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and the associated activities of big city life very much.
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It's much different from the French countryside where I was
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working on my own Internet content projects. Boy, so we
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see here that she is still working in computer software,
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that she's going for a degree here, a technology degree,
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and that sort of thing is worrisome to me because
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we don't know again what sort of backdoor these people
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are putting into these programs. And I hate to say it,
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but if your last name is Maxwell and you're related
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to Guilaine, I do not trust you. After Magellan, Isabelle
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was the president of an Israeli email venture called Calm Touch,
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and has continued to work in the country. She has
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used the title Technology Pioneer of the World Economic Forum.
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In a two thousand interview, she displays a zuck Bergian
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enthusiasm for the Internet. The wonderful thing about email is
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it's not sexist, she said, it's democratizing. Uh okay, these
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pe umtu. I'm telling you, these sort of people, the
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Maxwells and people of their ilk they're just weird to me.
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I don't even I can't even comprehend the way they think,
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in the way they live their lives. Everything is so
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oh convoluted, is everything is thinking ten steps in the future,
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about making a power move, about how they can consolidate
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their power. And even these sisters, you see them, they
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have a very high opinion of themselves. The Maxwell's twin
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twin husbands have truly bizarre histories, which has led observers
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to point out that they share Gilane's association with powerful
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and unconventional men. Christina is married to Roger Molina, an
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astrophysicist at the University of Texas whose father, Frank Molina,
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was also a scientist. Molina, The Daily Beast reveals hung
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out in California with the likes of Scientology founder l
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Ron Hubbard and rocket engineer Jack Parsons, occultists and transhumanists,
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a strange echo of Jeffrey Epstein's friends in similar academic
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and business circles. So you see it here, Look these people.
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This doesn't happen in a vacuum. Okay, Her sister's busy
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hanging out with transhumanists, occultists, etc. Etc. The same kind
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of people that Jeffrey Epstein flocked to, the same sort
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of people Jeffrey Epstein collected. So I have a hard
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time believing that all of this wasn't being done in
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a concerted effort that you know, the Maxwell family in
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general worked together when it came to stuff like this.
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In my opinion, I don't believe that the sisters had
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no idea what was going on with Jeffrey Epstein and
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Ghilane Oh. They definitely knew what was up. And they
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were also involved in writing these programs and being involved
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with all of these software companies that were then distributed
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amongst other countries, and there was all sorts of security problems,
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and you know, it just stinks, right, the whole Maxwell
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family stinks, from Robert Maxwell on down. And Isabelle's romantic
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history might be the strangest. First, she married the son
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of Carl de Rossi, a scientist who invented the birth
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control then Carl Dorossi and her son Alexander Dassi, Remember
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worked for the State Department under Hillary Clinton, and he
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was he had a big role in the Arab Spring,
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the failed Arab Spring that has went on to give
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us nothing but misery in the Middle East, including an
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open air slave market in Libya. Her third husband, Al Seckel,
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was a com man and optical illusionist who befriended scientists
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and academics despite not having a degree in those fields himself.
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Boy does that sound familiar, huh? Him and Jeffrey Epstein
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kindred spirits. He co founded a group called the Southern
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California Skeptics that investigated science relationship to the paranormal. Sekeel
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and Isabelle moved to France at some point in twenty ten,
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according to reports, where they lived in a chateau and
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acquired thousands of stone age tools to sell in the US.
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That same year, Sekeel hosted a scientific conference on Jeffrey
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Epstein's private island, where Epstein also allegedly held under age
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girls for sex. Presumably the connection was Isabelle's little sister, Gilaine.
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Of course that was the connection. Of course that was
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a connection. What do you think that this all happened
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in a vacuum, That Gilaine's sisters weren't involved, that they
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didn't know, that they weren't friendly with them, That people
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like al Seckel weren't going to be drawn to Jeffrey
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Epstein because they knew that it could move their own
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stock higher. Of course that was what was going on, folks.
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Secl died in twenty fifteen from a rumored fall off
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a cliff near his home. Yeah, you know how many
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so called suicides are going to be around the Maxwell clan.
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I mean again, they want us to believe in a
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lot of coincidences, folks, A lot of coincidence coincidences that
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I am not willing to believe in. All right, So
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all of these people just happened to slip and fall
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one off a boat, one off of a cliff. Jeffrey
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Epstein just happened to slip and fall off the top bunk.
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Come on, they really want us to buy all they shit?
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Not unlike Robert Maxwell. According to an obituary, Secel died
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just a few weeks after an article in Tablet magazine
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exposed his fraudulent past and his mounting debts, but The
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Daily Beast reports that it has not been able to
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find official proof of his death. Afterward, Isabelle had to
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declare bankruptcy. Man, this is just this is so crazy.
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A Secyl is a crazy cat. In general, his whole
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story is just insane. He was an absolute con man
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and a fraud. He was involved with the Edge Foundation
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that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in, and who knows what else. Right,
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obviously he was involved in all sorts of fraud. But
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my question is was he also involved with any of
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the other players that were running Epstein? What else did
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Seckel know? Did Sekeel have any information? Was Secel also
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being run as an asset from the shadows because we
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all know that intelligence agency sure love to make it
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look like a suicide and Maxwell, Epstein, Secle all people
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that have a lot of skeletons in their closet and
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who undoubtedly held a lot of secrets. For all of
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them to die under these sort of circumstances is just
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it's a bridge too far for me. Last week, it
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was rumored that Glaine Maxwell might be staying in Mariul, France,
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near her mother's old estate, where Christine and her husband
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supposedly spent some of their time. That is until that is,
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until it was reported that they sold that home in
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twenty fifteen, and until Christine was seen packing up a
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car near Manchester by the Sea. A day later, the
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mysterious photo of Glaane and Los Angeles was leaked to
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the New York Post, possibly by a lawyer who once
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represented Kevin Maxwell. It's unknown how much contact Glaine has
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with her siblings, but it seems increasingly likely that at
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least one of them know where she is, and that's
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pretty interesting there as well. Christine Maxwell wasn't seen until
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twenty fifteen packing up a car at the house near
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Manchester by the Sea, and then a day later the
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photograph which people, you know, the photoshop photograph of in
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and out, et cetera, et cetera, pops up of Geelane
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Maxwell saying that she's in Los Angeles. So again, if
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we're dealing with regular people, you could just say, oh, yeah, well,
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no big deal. You know, maybe it was a coincidence.
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But when we're talking about Gilaye Maxwell at this point,
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I don't think anything is a coincidence. Everything's obfuscation, everything's
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cloak and dagger, everything's spy games and everything. Everything that
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she does is done for a reason. So whenever she
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talks to the media through Laura Goldman or whoever she
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talks uses as a mouthpiece, there's a reason her picture
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being released like this, when her sister's packing up at
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Manchester by the Sea, there's a reason. So again, I
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don't know where Geelan Maxwell is, but I do know this.
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She's playing games. She's using the media to her benefit.
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She's using reports to her benefit. And meanwhile, while these
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reports are coming out and she's muddying the waters, she
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has a game plan. She knows what she's doing, she
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knows what the next move's going to be. And until
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she is completely and utterly out of moves and has
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nowhere left to turn, we're going to keep seeing the
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sort of thing from Gelan Maxwell well, the way that
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she goes about her business, the way everything is planned
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and is part of See, nothing is ever just one
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move with Geelan Maxwell. One move always signifies that something
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bigger is coming down the pipe, and we saw that
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with how everything moved forward with her talking to Laura
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Goldman through the Sun. Oh I was hacked, and then
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Oh I'm gonna sue Jeffrey, you know what I mean.
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So when all of this stuff comes out and you
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see it all in the big pit, sure, it's hard
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to not understand what Gilane Maxwell was up to. It's
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hard to not understand what she was doing. And she
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is playing chess while the prosecution is busy playing checkers.
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So remember, every time Gelaane Maxwell supposedly says something in
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the media or has a statement, you have to look deeper.
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Into it. Never take it for face value. There's always
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a deeper meaning with Gelaan Maxwell and what she's attempting
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to do and what her plans are. So we have
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to be very cautious about what gets leaked about her
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and what we take at face value and what we
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know is BS it's gonna It takes a lot of
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research and you have to really really really take a
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look at what she's saying and never never just accept
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her statement at face value because it's to uh the pattern,
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the historical pattern that she has shown us in the
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in throughout this whole entire case, is she is always
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plotting and planning and maneuvering. She's always looking to manipulate
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the narrative, and she's always looking to put herself in
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a position where she is in control of that narrative.
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And now that that's starting to crumble down around her ears,
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and now that people are starting to call her out
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from every corner, you can possibly imagine she's starting to
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feel like she's trapped. And that's why we saw the
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barrage of the media comments through Laura Goldman, because she
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was trying to shake trees and let people know who
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were involved that If she goes down, they're all going
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down with her. Gilaine Maxwell is not the kind of
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person that is going to ever give herself up or
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is ever going to come in without being dragged in,
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kicking and screaming, And for that to occur, the prosecution
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needs to go one hundred percent pedal to the metal
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all way down in pursuit of these people, because you
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see from the article that we just read, we're not
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dealing with normal people here, right, We're dealing with people
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that are very connected. They have a lot of connections,
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not only in private life but in the public sector,
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and they have people in the media, or they used
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to have people in the media that were willing to
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protect them. And Gilaine Maxwell has been a master at
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using the media to move the narrative in the direction
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she wants it to go. But those days are over.
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Nobody's buying that anymore, and everybody's onto the media for
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their role in protecting Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell at
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this point, so nobody's buying that shit anymore. Every time
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Gilaane Maxwell says something, everybody pulls out their you know,
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their microscope to take a better look at it. And
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that's what has to happen because we can't let these
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people control the narrative, and we can't let their friends
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in the media run the narrative that these scumbags try
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and trot out. If you'd like to contact me, you
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can do that at Bobby Caapuci at protonmel dot com.
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That's be so bbycap you Cci at Protonmeil dot com.
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And if you'd like to find me on Twitter, you
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can do that at Bobby Underscore cap u Cci. All right, everybody,
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until what's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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The Maxwell family sure does have a lot of people
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close to them end up committing suicide, don't they. Yeah,
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Robert Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, Jean Luke Brunel, And today we're
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going to talk about another person that was close to
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them who allegedly took their own life, and that person
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is al secl Al. Sekeel was married to Isabelle Maxwell
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and allegedly took a header from one hundred foot cliff
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in France. Well seven years later, it has now declared
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that that incident was in fact a suicide. So let's
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get it into this article from the Daily Mail and
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let's see what the hell is going on here? Headline
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a hand and a foot we're missing, probably eaten by
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wild bores. Mysterious death of Glan Maxwell's conman brother in
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law is finally declared a suicide seven years after he
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jumped to his death from one hundred foot cliff in France. Now, look,
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when you're surrounded by con men's, swindlers, scumbags, chances are
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some of them are going to commit suicide. But every
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single one of them, all of the people who have
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secrets and hold the keys, they're all just dying in troves.
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I guess the author of this article is Rory Mulholland.
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The body of Glenn Maxwell's conman brother in law lay
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rotting for weeks at the foot of one hundred foot
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high cliff after his apparent suicide. Dailymail dot Com and
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exclusively reveal it was originally believed Al secl may have
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faked his own death when he disappeared seven years ago,
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but now dely mail dot Com has obtained his death
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certificate and can and can confirm his demise. When this
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story was breaking originally, when they were talking about Al Seckel,
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typical story when we're you know, dealing with Epstein and Maxwell,
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another one of these con men, another person who had
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a pumped up opinion of himself. So is it possible
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he committed suicide after scamming all of these people? Of
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course it is sam As Robert Maxwell, sam As Jeffrey Epstein.
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But until we have the definitive evidence one way or
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the other, well, questions remain. Now with Secel, you have
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the official narrative coming out saying he did in fact
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jump to his death, which is again very possible. When
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you're feeling the walls closed in, you're involved in some
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kind of scheme or plot stealing millions, millions of dollars,
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whatever it is, you know you're not thinking right and
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you're looking at a short solution for a long term problem. Though,
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and some of these people are just so mentally beat
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up or they know that there's no way out for
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them and they decide to kill themselves. Sekeel has been
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described as an international man of mystery. Like Jeffrey Epstein,
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he claimed academic credentials he did not have and came
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to a violent end near Saint Cirq la Popee, a
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tourist village known as one of the prettiest in France,
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eighty miles north of Toulouse. Now I've never been to France,
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but I'm guessing this place is absolutely beautiful. This dude
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ends up killing himself eighty miles from this place, and
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his body was sitting at the bottom of this cliff.
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Nobody happened to happened by it, nobody saw it. Nothing again,
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another one of these crazy stories where things don't really
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seem to add up. It was the smell of putrefication
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that eventually led to the corpse. Former Deputy Mayor Roland
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Garot Tolddeli mail dot com. So this dude was in
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the elements, rotting away and somebody caught a stench of
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this stanky dude and that was it. They found the
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body and he was located. The body had been lying
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for weeks and bushes at the bottom of a cliff
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from which Secel fifty six had apparently thrown himself. The
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circumstances of Seckel's death have long been a mystery. In
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twenty nineteen, The Daily Beast reported that it could not
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locate any officials in the town where Secel was last
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known to live who had any report of his death,
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and during that time, there was a bunch of rumor
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and innuendo that he did that. In fact, he was
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on the run, you know, going to start a new life,
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the whole thing, but never any evidence to back any
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of that up. It was just innuendo. Before he disappeared,
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he knew the Tablet was planning to publish a mammoth
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five thousand word article exposing him for conning people out
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of the thousands of dollars in a racket to buy
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rare books. So when we talked about Secle a while
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back on the program, and I still feel the same way,
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I'm guessing, and it's my guess obviously that he did
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kill himself. This dude was a fraudster to the top degree,
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and he understood that there was no way out for
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him here and the only way he could see to
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get out from underneath all of this and not end
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up doing serious jail time was to kill himself. Sometimes
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it is just what it is, right, So I'm pretty
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sure that this isn't some kind of you know, cover
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up or anything like that, just a guy who was
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at the end of the road and felt like he
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had no other way out. He had initially cooperated with
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author Mark Oppenheimer, but later stopped talking to him. The
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piece was published on June twentieth, eleven days before his
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body was found again. It adds up right when you
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look at it. The story had been published already. It's
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not like Seckel was an asset that we know of.
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He wasn't, you know, running secrets for the CIA or
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I six or the Masade. Just another failed businessman, another
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liar who got caught up in his own hubris and
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saw the writing on the wall. Unfortunately, Seckel claimed to
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be the husband of Glaine's older sister, Isabelle Maxwell. Isabelle
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was a fixture at gallaine sensational weeks long trial in
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New York, appearing in one of her trademark berets virtually
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every day as she supported her scandal ridden sibling. She
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showed up in those berets looking like a character from
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one of the old like cartoons. Oh cool, Bray, what
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are you doing? I mean, don't you have like a
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stylist or something? Bray? What are you? Pepe Lepew Galaine, sixty,
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was found guilty in December on five sex trafficking counts,
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which carry a potential of a sixty five year prison term.
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She will be sentenced in June and is currently in
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custody in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, New York.
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But Secel had never divorced his third wife, Alice Clark,
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so any marriage to Isabelle would have been bigamous. He
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had previously been married to model and actress Denise Lewis,
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who had dated Princess Diana's lover Dodi Fayed. I mean,
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don't these people know that there are other people in
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the world than the people that are in their circles.
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It's like a gigantic show of incest with these people.
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Sekeel told the tablet he couldn't remember the date of
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his marriae brige to Maxwell seventy one. I don't keep
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the dates in my head, he said, as he guessed
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it was around two thousand and seven. So what is
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going on with the Maxwell family anyway? Why are you
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marrying this guy? Did he show you paperwork that he
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wasn't married to his ex wife? Are you cool being
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a big amiss with them? There are just so many questions,
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and unfortunately, folks, we're never going to get the answers.
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The Maxwell family is never going to be forthcoming. They're
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never going to clue anybody in on what went down.
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They're never going to give away any of the inner
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family secrets. Confirmation of Secul suicide is the latest twist
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in the trail of weird deaths that has followed the Maxwell's.
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The media tycoon Robert Maxwell sixty eight, was found dead
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in the sea in nineteen ninety one after disappearing from
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his yacht off the Canary Islands. Look how many how
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many people are going to go go to disappear status
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around these folks? Suicide, death, all of it. See what
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happens is when you play games with people such as this,
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and you're involved with people such as this, there really
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aren't any other results for you. Prison, death pretty much
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how it ends up for you, or how it should
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end up for you anyway. His daughter Glaine, one time
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lover Jeffrey Epstein sixty six, was found hanged in his
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New York prison cell in twenty nineteen as he awaited
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trial for sex trafficking end In February this year, Jean
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Luke Brunel seventy five, a French modeling agent and close
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Epstein associate, was found hanged in his Paris prison cell.
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He was being held on suspicion of the rape and
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sex trafficking of miners. Now, look, it could all just
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be a coincidence, right, all of these suicides piling up
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around the Maxwells, or it could be having an association
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with them is literally that grizzly list has now been
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joined by the confirmation of the suicide of Isabelle Maxwell's husband.
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New York born Secle, whose mother was a refugee from
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the Nazis, claimed to be the world's greatest collector of
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optical illusions and gave a two thousand and four TED
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talk on the topic that has been viewed two point
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six million times. He was also an atheist who co
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created the Darwin Fish logo. Okay, fine, that's great, but
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you know, it cracks me up when you look at
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all of these people right who have done these TED talks,
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who have been involved with Epstein. Sure seems to be
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a lot of them people as well, don't there. I mean,
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what's going on over at these TED talks. He used
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Isabelle Maxwell to help build up a circle of influential
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and powerful friends in California, where he passed himself off
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as an Ivy League graduate and and doctorate candidate at Caltech.
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The prestigious California Institute of Technology SECL shared Epstein's passion
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for science, and in twenty ten hosted a scientific conference
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on Little Saint James Epstein's private Caribbean island. Huh does
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that shock anybody? Should anybody be shocked that there's these
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ties that bind all of these people secle the Maxwell's.
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They all knew what Epstein was, and yet they continued
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to use his island, continue to associate with them, and
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in the case of Glenn Maxwell, well we know, continue
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to conspire with them. He used as many high placed
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contacts to sell rare books to wealthy customers, whom he
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cheated out of tens of thousands of dollars. Sounds like
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a hell of a guy. Huh. KLT was possibly to
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flee flee lawsuits that Secle and Is the Bell moved
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to France in twenty ten. It is believed they lived
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in a chateau near Loroque, Jagut, fifty miles northwest of
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where his body was found. So they moved back to
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France to avoid these lawsuits. And they were living in
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this chateau. I'm guessing living the life right the high life, rich, opulence,
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close to the ocean, you know, a dream life for
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anybody else. But this gumbag was living there because he
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was hiding from people that he had cheated San circ
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La Pope. Mayor Gerard Miguel told mel online that Isabelle
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Maxwell turned up at his office in twenty fifteen to
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get a copy of Secl's death certificate. The document lists
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her as Secl's wife. Well, how could that possibly be
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if he was already married when he married her. Talk
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about a gigantic shit sandwich. But it should come as
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no shock all of these people that are involved with Epstein,
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the Maxwells, they're all borderline like mentally ill. Seriously. A
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handwritten additional note on the document specifies that July first,
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twenty fifteen was the date that death was recorded, and
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not the actual date of the death, as Vod died
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weeks earlier. The death certificate and speculation that Secle faked
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his own death in order to go under the radar
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to hide from people or police who might be looking
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for him, Well, I mean that might be the case,
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but does it tell us anything about you know, if
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somebody shoved this dude off of this mountain? I mean
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I don't mean to be so upfront here, but let's
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be honest. When we're dealing with Maxwell and Epstein and
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whoever the hell else this guy was scamming, that has
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to be a question, as asked. At the very least,
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a car that Secle had rented in the nearby town
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of Brieve La Gaillard was found in a parking lot
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of Saint circ Lapopee. I found the car in the
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park facing out towards the village, with a view over
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the village and the valley beyond, said Pierre Eves Bassak,
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the village's municipal technical manager. The doors were unlocked and
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the keys were in the ignition. He said, that was,
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of course very unusual. Yeah, that definitely is unusual. Why
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would you leave the keys in your car and the
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doors unlocked if you planned on coming back. A missing
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person report had been filed for Secle, and police had
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been informed that the car he had rented had not
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been returned. I was amazed when about twenty twenty vehicles
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turned up after we reported the vehicle, said Deputy Mayor Garu.
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Police scoured the village and surrounding countryside to try to
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locate Secle in the following weeks, sometimes using sniffer dogs,
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and that didn't work out so well. Huh the sniffer
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dogs might have had the wrong nose attachment on or something.
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How don't you smell this dude's decomposing body down in
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the bush. A team of police climbers scaled many of
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the local cliffs the villages, perched on one, but found
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no body. Garreau the was the gender arms when they
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finally found the corpse at the foot of one hundred
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foot high cliff. It was about two miles from the
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lot where Secle had left his rental vehicle. More times
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than not, when people go missing and end up killing themselves,
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they're found not too far away from wherever the vehicle
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was parked. He saw the same thing with Brian Laundry.
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His body was found relatively close to where his vehicle
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would have been parked. He had walked along narrow country
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roads and passed to a spot above a couple of
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houses on the bank of the Lot river below. There
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he climbed over a low stone wall that lined the
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road and went to the edge of the preset of
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the cliff before plunging to his death. A hand and
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a foot were missing probably eaten by wild bores, or
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Garrow told the Daily Mail dot Com at the spot
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where the body was found. I mean, okay, if that's
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what you say happened, but how can you be sure
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that that's what he did? Nobody shoved them now. I
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don't find it likely. Remember, I'm saying, how do we know?
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Though we these investigations are never as thorough as they
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should be. He said. The body was so badly decayed
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that it had no recognizable face. It was only the
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clothes holding it together when they put it on a stretcher,
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he said, adding that the police were able to identify
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it using DNA. Talk about a grizzly scene. Imagine being
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one of these first responders and having to deal with
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this kind of thing, the body basically melted off of
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the bones. Why you should have come to commit suicide,
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which the death was treated as to Saint circ Lapopee,
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remains a mystery, as do the reasons that pushed him
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to take his own life. I have heard, but cannot confirm,
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that he was splitting up from his wife, said Mayor
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Miguel Isabelle. Maxwell was not the only one who contacted
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the Mayor's office regarding Secl, So that's pretty interesting. He
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was getting divorced from Isabelle Maxwell. I mean, we are
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dealing with the Maxwell family. Did he have a slip
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or you know, something else happened to him in her
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poll got in touch three separate times to see confirmation
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of his death. They had been looking into a scam
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involving rare books in Italy that Secyl was linked to,
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said Garot. Isabelle Maxwell filed for bankruptcy in Britain less
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than six months after Secl's body was found. Filed for bankruptcy. Huh,
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the Maxwells. While she's still living in her chateau, living
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it up, swimming around in her dad's money, but she's
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gonna file for bankruptcy. Look, folks, my advice is, don't
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get involved with people like the Maxwells. Don't get involved
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with people like Jeffrey Epstein, because it sure seems that
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you have two fates if you do. One involves a
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prison cell, the other involves death. All right, folks, that's
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gonna do it for this episode. If you'd like to
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contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at
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y underscore c A p U c c I. The
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