US Admiral Asked About Attacking Canada, Scott Jennings' Shameless Stunt, Trump Babbles (9/3/26)

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I know, I know, I know. I'm so glad.
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Mark, are you here?
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Yeah, I am here. Yes, he's here. Okay, it's very,
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very good to have everybody on board.
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I heard you missed me.
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Yeah, I am glad that Albert is back. He has
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had a little bit of a hiatus over the first
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part of the week. He gets... first part of the
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week off you know it's a mark thompson show flash
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poll oh you want to do a flash poll about
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it are you happy that uh uh with the naming
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of albert's child there has been a name uh officially
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announced um i guess there's an announcement to family that
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would be the official and then this is the other
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official announcement for the name of albert's uh coming child
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and uh what yeah um Albert, do you want to
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reveal the name now? We can do a flash poll
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as to whether people like it.
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Or the flash poll would be, is the child to
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be named after a football player, baseball player, or hockey player?
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Yeah, exactly. Albert is such a sports fan. Does the name,
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before you tell us what the name is, does the
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name bear any relation to one of those sports to
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which Kim has referred?
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There's actually a country that we are trying to start
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a beef with that it has relations to. And it
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relates to that sport. There's a country up north that
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they like one sport in particular.
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Oh, you think this is a Canadian athlete's name?
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The commish does not disappoint.
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The commish with people are saying Calvin Wong, shadow producer,
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says Joe Montana. Why are our little... bubbles and um
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they're like fancy blue yeah what did you do kim
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did you hit something you didn't do anything i blame
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you no i didn't i knew i blame you i
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didn't do a thing and now you can see everybody
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those are on youtube we're kind of like you put
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up um i don't know it's fine it's fine with
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me i guess uh yeah.
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There we go thank you what did you do that's
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the old one.
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Yeah that's the one what was done there was some uh.
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I was clicking around here on a platform.
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Whoever is producing this thing has no idea what they're doing.
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All right. I blame Tony, says Ron. All right, Albert, quickly,
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I've got a lot to get to today. In a moment. First,
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let me tell the boys and girls what's coming up.
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It's a really great show, and I'm really proud of
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the people who come through the show. Among them, the
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brilliant legal analyst. You've seen him across the English-speaking world,
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and he's here every Thursday. David Katz. Yeah, he'll be here.
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We'll talk a bit about SCOTUS and how they opened
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the door for a lot of Trump stuff, from messing
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with the mail and voting to continuing the construction on
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his data center, military complex, ballroom. JL Kovan is going
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to be here. The brilliant comic and impressionist. He'll do
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a little Trump, maybe. He also does Musk and he
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does RFK Jr. But he's got shows coming up to
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all of the folk on the East Coast. So we'll, we'll,
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hip you to that. It's a great show. I've been
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to the JL Covan show, and it's a great show.
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And then Wayne Pacelli will be here, the animal activist
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and brilliant spokesperson for the needs of animals. And there
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are two major campaigns underway about things that you probably
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have no awareness of. I mean, there'd be no reason
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necessarily you would, but it would be great to make
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you aware of it. And we'll talk to Wayne about that. Now,
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give me, this is some good news and then I'll
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get to some kind of, um, not so good news.
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Albert has named his baby, the coming baby. Uh, the
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baby's due in December and, um, people are suggesting different
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people are guessing names. Brady says Calvin Wong starts with
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an M and involved in hockey. If I know, uh,
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I'm from Florida. Is that, is there a Tammy? Tammy's
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onto something.
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Not quite.
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Not quite.
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I like this.
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This is a great guess. The great one. That is
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hockey related.
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Sure. Would you ever consider naming your child Wayne Gretzky Rebusura?
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If I did, it would have to include Gretzky in
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the full name.
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How do you say your last name? Did I just
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say it correctly or not?
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Yeah, almost Rebusura. It was almost there.
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Yeah.
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Mario Lemieux-Ribasura.
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You know what?
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I like that. Oh, I do have a winner here.
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Somebody did guess correctly in the chat.
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Weston, Florida says Babyface McBaby. Yeah, there you go. That's
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not it. What is the name of the coming Albert baby?
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Here we go.
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From Becky. It is going to be Macklin.
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Macklin. Becky, look at you. Very well done, Becky. Becky
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walks away with points for the day.
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She honorary just named my child, so we could give
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you that title here, Becky.
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Macklin is a cool name, a really cool name.
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He's a cool hockey phenom, had a crazy season as
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a 19-year-old last year, made the Olympic team out of
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all the Canadians, a 19-year-old made it, and he was
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a star player, one of the stars of the tournament.
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Wow, wow.
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He's the future of the Sharks, so you'll be hearing
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his name a lot more.
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Cash and prizes, Becky? No, you know better than to
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ask that. Nothing.
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You get nothing.
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Nothing!
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And before we move on, quick, I did not have
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to do any convincing to my partner for this thing.
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We love the Sharks, and we love Macklin, and going
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to the games is one of our favorite things to
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do together.
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I have to say that isn't Macklin a Aunt Becky now?
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Who was saying that? I like that it's an M name,
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you know. because long form of Mark. Yeah. Thank you.
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Harry Magnus onto something there. Right.
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Yeah.
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They felt that naming the child Mark was a little
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too on the nose. So they went with Macklin.
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Yeah.
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We had to hit that medium.
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Becky can be the godmother. Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Uh, but Becky gets the rod of equity, mercy and
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baby naming. Yeah. Well, it's, um, uh, one never knows. Um,
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I do think that, uh, Becky should receive something, so
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here you go.
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Receive the rod of equity and mercy.
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It's not an official ceremony because I have to go
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into a trance state to actually bestow it on someone,
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but it's adjacent. All right. I can't delay any longer,
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although I love delaying and I love that news. We
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need to get on with things, so let's get it going.
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The Mark Thompson Show.
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This is Mark Thompson.
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The Iran war is a mess. It is only getting messier.
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It is being run by an incompetent in Pete Hegseth,
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as you're well aware. And then he's firing all of
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those who have any competence at the Pentagon and associated
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branches of the service. What to do with....
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The war.
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It is a weight on the GOP. They don't want
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to talk about it. I played you the video yesterday
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with Mike Johnson being confronted in the hallway and he
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kind of shines on questions about, you know, what do
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you say to the American people after so long? Shouldn't
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you be discussing this, etc. So what is really being
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floated and it's being discussed in White House circles and
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also in GOP circles. And to be fair, I think,
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was discussed for a while, but now it's really looking
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as though it may be the only move is to
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take the mess that you've created and let it smolder
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in steam in the way it is. And since most
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Americans aren't aware of every missile strike, every screw-up, you know,
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the wedding ceremony, involving Iranian casualties, the misfires on the
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part of the U.S., the Iranian reprisals that have hit Jordan,
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that have hit Kuwait. Most Americans aren't aware of all
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of that. They don't have situation rooms set up where
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they're really, they just know that this is something we
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shouldn't be doing. And they know, of course, that it's
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driving up the cost of the fuel they put in
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their gas tank to the point that it will have
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a withering effect on the nation's economy. So again, what
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to do? So now, increasingly, it's clear. Trump wants to
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declare victory and move on. This is cut eight, and
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the discussion goes to just that, that the GOP and
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Trump really see the upside in just declaring victory already,
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and let's get it done.
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It's also worth noting that the president actually said today
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that the war is going to wind down shortly. So
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if it's already won, like, why does it need to
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wind down?
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He's been saying for quite some time that it's going
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to wind down, that we, you know, where it was
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only going to be a few weeks. So at this point,
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I mean, if you're going to say that he won
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the war, agree, Republicans don't think that, but voters don't
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think that. Voters do not believe that we won this war.
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They actually don't even know how that we get out
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of this war. So if I were a Republican or
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anybody in a swing district, I would call on the
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president to come out with a plan to get us
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out of this war and actually be sort of against
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the president in terms of like claiming victory. So I
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do think that at the end of the day, the
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polling shows people do not like this war. They want
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to talk about affordability. And that's not what Trump is doing.
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You think people running for Congress in the president's party
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should go out and say, Well, gee whiz, everybody, we
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lost a war.
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Sorry about that.
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I didn't say we lost a war. I didn't say
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that they should say that. You said they should disagree
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with the president about it. I think they should disagree
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with the president in the sense that.
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What does that mean?
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In the sense that maybe we shouldn't have gotten this
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war in the first place, and it has been extremely costly,
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and not only that, it's risen prices for the American people,
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and there is no exit. There is no exit. I mean,
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what's the exit strategy for the president?
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What is the exit strategy? The exit strategy is happening
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right now. They are defeated militarily. They have no navy.
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They have no army. They have no defense industrial complex.
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They can't export a drop of oil. Their economy is
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in free fall. And it's all thanks to the U.S.
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military and thanks to a president who finally took on
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these people after 47 years of butchery and attacks on
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Western civilization. There's an affirmative case to be made here.
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It was a righteous decision.
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And that it was a good decision and it is
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going to work out for the safety and security of
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the American people.
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If you look at the polling, though, on attacking Iran,
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only 27% think that it represents putting America first. 80%
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of Americans think that attacking Iran has increased their gas
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and grocery prices. Only 23% think that it's made us safer.
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And 55%, more than half, think it was a mistake.
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Like I said, it's the commander-in-chief's job, and I'm sure
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he will do it, to explain to the American people
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how we have won this war, how we are safer,
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and how this is going to benefit the world. That
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is the next phase of this.
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I mean, he's been doing that for months, but people
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don't seem to believe it.
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Why not?
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There has to be an affirmative, formal declaration of victory,
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in my opinion. And far be it for me to
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put a timetable on him. And he shouldn't let politics
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dictate this. But we're at the point now where Iran
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is totally scrambled and defeated. And we need to take
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credit for it, in my opinion.
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Yeah, so maybe they could get that mission accomplished sign
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that George Bush put up on that aircraft carrier. when
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the Iraq war was won. Remember, mission accomplished and everything
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was fine. And maybe they could, really that's what he's
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calling for, something like that. He's calling for Trump to
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make the case that the war is won. Those were
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his words. And this is a screaming, steaming mess. There
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it is, mission accomplished. I'll bet you that sign is
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still available. It's probably sitting somewhere in the east wing. oh, wait,
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that's right, there is no more East Wing. Well, this
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is a very tough spot for the GOP and for
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people like Scott Jennings, from whom you've just heard, because
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obviously you're nowhere near victory. In fact, the world is
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aware of the water that you're taking on in Iran.
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Your munition supplies are diminished. You have imposed tremendous, I mean,
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withering supplies sanctions and economic pressure on the Iranian regime.
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But that doesn't seem to be bringing about the kind
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of surrender that was advertised in the first week. In addition,
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you have American casualties that have been covered up on
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some level. You now don't have the Pentagon briefings that
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were a big part of Pete Hegseth's day at the
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beginning of things. So you don't even really have a
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sense of what's happening in an official way, you know,
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from a government that's probably lying to you anyway. They
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don't even bother with the lie now. And you have,
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of course, what I noted before, which was the involvement
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of American allies in the region that are taking incoming
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fire from Iran because that's the best way to exact
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a toll for the American presence. It is very much
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unclear how this thing is going to resolve. But one
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thing does seem clear. There is a reorganization of alliances.
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There is a reorganization of geopolitics in the Middle East.
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And it is clear that this war is not over.
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You don't have free passage through the Strait. You don't
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have any kind of concession on nuclear capacity. And The
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refinement of nuclear fuel, which was supposed to be your
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big thing. The goals, which were, let's face it, barely
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laid out. Trump was late to the party to try
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to bring any kind of message as to the goals
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involved with this entire effort to the American people. But
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even the goals, as they were brought out sort of
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after the fact, after we'd already started, which really was
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what happened. He would say, I wouldn't want to say
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anything because I didn't want to lose the element of surprise.
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Those goals are not being reached in the least. How
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do you declare victory? Declare victory about what? You had
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an aircraft carrier, the Abraham Lincoln, that guys literally had
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to ration food to each other. It had been deployed
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for so long. It's a mess. Pete Hegseth seeing resignations.
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Or forcing resignations at the Pentagon? You saw the Dan
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Driscoll comments. And apparently the reporting around Dan Driscoll, I
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mentioned this to you the other day, but now there's
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even more in the way of specifics. Driscoll met with
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Trump to tell him about the situation in the military
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under Pete Hegseth. He had words with Pete Hegseth, as
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you know. He had disagreements with Pete Hegseth. But apparently
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he talked to Trump about the changing nature of military needs,
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the way in which pivoting to drones and other kinds
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of military hardware made sense. He was kind of talking
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about the X's and O's of the military and the
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military needs. And then he was talking about Hegseth and
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the fact that he felt that Hegseth wasn't responsive to
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those things that really needed attention. Instead, Hegseth was distracted
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with DEI, with blocking promotions of women and those people
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of color. So anyway, and remember, Dan Driscoll is one
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of Trump's guys. Like Dan Driscoll isn't some lib that
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they brought in to work along Hegseth. He's one of
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Trump's guys. But apparently, and here's the wild part, Trump
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listened and then Trump started talking about his ballroom and
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just couldn't shut up about the ballroom. Ultimately, Driscoll just resigned.
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That's the state of the military now. You have a
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guy in Hegseth who, again, attended Ivy League universities and
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now has pulled Pentagon funding from all Ivy League universities
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that used to work closely with the Pentagon and the
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Pentagon-funded programs at those universities. You have him decrying those
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universities as bastions of liberalism. You have him going after
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officers and those who have served honorably for decades and
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forcing them out. And I just feel as though in
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that environment, which is clearly one in which Nothing substantive
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is being done to actually, excuse me, to actually achieve
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a victory of any kind, to achieve any of these
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goals that you could brag about. They want to declare
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a victory. Good luck with that. Meantime, there was a
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bizarre moment. Given the nature of Trump and this administration
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and the open rhetorical warfare on Canada, The trade war
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that Trump has kicked up with Canada in the same
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way he flexed on Iran and now he can't get out.
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He flexed on Canada. So far, it's been just this ugly,
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shameful back and forth that Trump has initiated. He's putting
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together AI. You saw the AI animation of the ducks
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carrying food. assault rifles as they came across into Lake Ontario,
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now Lake America. But here's the question was asked of
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an admiral. I think this is an admiral. If Trump
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asked you to take on Canada militarily to attack Canada,
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what would you do? Is that something that you would consider?
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I mean, it's laughable, right? I mean, what? But all
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of a sudden, in this environment in which Trump wakes
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up angry and wants to go after the Canadians, it's
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something that is being considered. It's cut in nine. That
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we be interoperable and... You got it? Sorry.
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No.
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I'm familiar with your story period, so this is a
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question that was asked of all of us.
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Under what circumstances would you obey an order? to launch
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military action against Canada. Under which circumstances would you obey
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a military order to launch an attack on Canada, was
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the question. Go ahead.
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I find that scenario to be absolutely and utterly preposterous.
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And so I follow the orders of the Commander-in-Chief, but
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that is a needlessly emotional question. I don't find, forgive
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my saying it too, is that.
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Canada is a close ally.
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Thank you.
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So, I mean, I think that's really the way in
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which you probably have to handle that question. And I
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think he handled it with a plum and he handled
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it beautifully. But the fact that that question could even
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exist as a hypothetical is a comment on where we are.
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And I also feel as though the fact that, you know,
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Trump has waged a trade war against Canada is wild.
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I mean, it's just incredible. You had a good trading
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relationship with Canada and now we're in this very ugly place. Kim,
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I can't hear you.
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You would think that it was a joke question, right?
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You would think, ridiculous, US attack Canada. But it shows,
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I think, how unpredictable Trump is. We thought it was
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a joke that he was going to change the name
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of the Gulf of Mexico. We thought it was a
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joke that he was going to change the name of
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Lake Ontario. And yet he actually sat in the Oval
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Office and signed these executive orders doing these ridiculous things.
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He attacked Iran. So, Is it out of the realm
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of possibility or plausibility that he could send some missile,
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if we have any, left to Canada?
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No, because he's that nuts. I agree with everything you
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just said, except I would just carve out Iran. I mean, Iran,
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believe me, I've always said it a million times, I
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think it was a horrible idea. But the idea that
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you were going to invade Iran, that you planned for
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an invasion of Iran, that you planned for some kind of,
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military confrontation with Iran. This has been kicked around for
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decades in the highest levels of government in this country.
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So I feel like I'll take Iran out of the
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lunacy category. I mean, I think it's a kind of lunacy,
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as you know, that he got into it. But I'm
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just saying, but Canada, I mean, it's absurd. It falls
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into the category of something that was talked about Early on,
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you'll remember when he talked about the drug cartels in
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Mexico and why can't we send American troops into Mexico
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to weed out the drug cartels? Why can't we bomb
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Mexico to bomb these drug cartels out of power? I mean,
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it falls into that category of lunacy, but it's even
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more lunatic because Canada is generally a gentle trading partner
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to the North. They are a staunch ally of the U.S., But, again,
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the question doesn't make it something that is being legitimately considered.
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But who would have thought he'd start a trade war
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or begin this 51st state talk? And that has happened.
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So I think it a.
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He's crazy. That we even have to entertain the notion
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is really scary. This is what's happening to America.
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On the Trump craziness— and Kim is right. He is his
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own brand of crazy— I've talked for many months about
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the fact that America is going to be isolated and
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people around the globe have gotten the memo on Trump
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and leaders around the globe fall into that category, of course.
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And the reordering of alliances and the realizations that you
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can't count on America and this mercurial, impulsive leader, those
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realizations are leading to actions. Did you see that the
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Dutch central bank is moving gold bars out of New York.
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They have all of these gold bars in New York,
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and they are now moving them out. The transfer follows
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calls from European politicians and taxpayer lobbyists to repatriate gold
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reserves from the US, warning, and here's the part that
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relates to what we're talking about, that an unreliable American
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government under President Donald Trump may otherwise seize them amid
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growing transatlantic tensions. The Dutch central bank said the goal
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of the move was to strengthen its, quote, crisis preparedness
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by distributing its gold more evenly across jurisdictions. But they
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specify this that we're talking about, this unpredictable American government.
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And the idea that the American government could seize these
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gold supplies if they, They got angry enough at any
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number of countries worldwide. This goes to the Canada question.
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So even in the absurdity and the madness of some
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of these questions related to, you know, would you get
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into a military confrontation with this country? Would you get
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into a military confrontation with that country? The reality is
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that the world is seeing that he is insanely unpredictable.
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and that the personal animus, the grudges that he brings
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to all of these different situations, they dictate policy. That's
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what this Canada thing's about. If he feels insulted, he
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will impose a tariff on you. And the tariff may
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last a week, or it may last for two years.
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You have no way of knowing. This is a wildly
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unstable American government, ruled by impulse, and ruled by someone
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who with utter fiat is on the one hand, putting
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his name everywhere, on the other hand, out there declaring
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any number of new theaters of conflict around the globe.
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So it's no wonder to the point that the European
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community is trying to rethink and recalculate how they can
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move ahead without the Americans. They can't count on the Americans.
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And you've seen it happen with our Asian allies as well. Japan,
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South Korea. He pulled our troops out of the military
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exercise with South Korea. Everybody's got the memo on Trump,
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including many Americans. And that's why they fear the midterms.
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And we're going to talk about that in just a
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moment because some amazing stuff is happening. And Trump is
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saying some amazing things about the midterms. And one other
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thing about the midterms and Trump money. It is not forthcoming.
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Trump is like, it's a smash and grab. I'll share
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that with you in just a minute. Trump has probably
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stolen it already, says Ford. All right. All right, we continue.
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That's a little something of what's happening with the Mark
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Thompson show. Did I leave something out? I wanted to,
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there was somebody else talking. Oh, I know what I wanted. Yeah,
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one addendum, if you would. It is... Let me just
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see what I've got here. Sorry, the studio's been reorganized
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because of my broken ankle. I can't... Doing the show
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sitting down, which I normally don't do. I like to
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stand up to the whole thing. It is Besant at
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the G20. Can you play me that cut? Because Besant
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at the G20, I think... You know, Besant is one
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of these guys who's sort of the Trump explainer. And Trump...
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By the way, the Besson history is fascinating because he
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made a fortune with George Soros, as you know. And
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now he is there with this utterly, to call him conservative,
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I'd call him radical, conservative regime under Trump. Anyway, here
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he is speaking at the G20. This is Scott Besson.
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With the economic pressure on Iran, as well as the
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kinetic strikes we're seeing, do you believe that we are
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closer to the end.
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Or are we in the middle of this conflict?
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Well, look, the.
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Iran does not have control of the Strait, and they
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are in a death spiral. We have control of the Strait.
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The limited kinetic strikes that we did yesterday were to
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take out radar, some patchwork of Tinkertoy erector set radar
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that they were trying to reconstruct along the banks of
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the Strait. I can't remember what the number is.
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I just saw it, but.
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I think we got out about 17 million barrels of
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crude yesterday. That is not Iranian-controlled strength.
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That is also not true.
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I will tell you.
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That one of the best allies that the Iranians have
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on this is the media, because the media immediately publishes
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all the lies, all the lies that they say. There
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are no mines in the street. Two ships did not
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hit mines. This is Iranian agiprop and everyone in this
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audience and every news outlet should be ashamed for publishing that.
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It's really the media. If it weren't for the media,
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we'd be winning. I mean, the word isn't just not
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getting out because of the media that we've actually won
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this thing. That's Scott Besson at the G20. You know,
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it's a just a stark fact that America is not
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winning anything. And that stark fact has made it to, uh,
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to everybody who is in a leadership position in the world.
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And they're in a tough position because America is ruled
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by a guy who is impulsive and vindictive. And he's
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ready to leverage American power against anyone and anything that
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stands in his way. The Mark Thompson Show. I wanted to,
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can I quickly get to the midterms? Midterms are wild because, oh,
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you know what? I wanted to do one thing before.
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It's getting way behind here. Gloria Steinem passed away. Did
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you see that? Maybe I'll mention that real quick before
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David Katz gets here. I do have a lot of
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midterm stuff. But she's 92. It's so interesting. She's faded
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from view a little bit, or at least I haven't
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seen a lot of her in the last few years.
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But she's a pioneering feminist. She was really, for those
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of us boomers, I don't know if I'm a boomer.
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I'm a boomer adjacent, whatever. She was a force behind
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the Equal Rights Amendment, so many issues that took on
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the patriarchy. She did it. And she made it cool,
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and she was an attractive spokesperson who wasn't afraid of
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the camera, wasn't afraid to go on talk shows and
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get the word out in all the different ways. She
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founded Ms. Magazine and she was a wondrous force for
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good and for women's rights in America and worldwide and
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also sort of rethinking the way in which women should
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exist in society. If I can, you know what I mean?
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Meaning it wasn't just women's rights. It was just women's
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ability to walk alongside men and get what men get. Respect, money, success.
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And obviously it's an ongoing effort. I mean, you know,
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women don't make what men make. And over the last decade,
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you've seen the disparity. But she, this is from her spokespeople.
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Gloria's greatest gift was her ability to listen to others,
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to make others feel seen and heard. Her words, actions,
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and example gave people permission to be their truest selves.
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Gloria lived true to her independent spirit, always with curiosity
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and a great sense of humor. No cause of death provided.
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I mean, again, in the 70s, she just came up
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and she won the Presidential Medal of Freedom back when
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it meant something and fought for issues like abortion rights,
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women's rights, workplace gender equality, domestic violence prevention, and more.
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A wonderful force for good in America and for an
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important sense of what women deserved in America. And so
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that is a real loss. Gloria Steinem passes away. Here
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is breaking news from the breaking news desk. Kim has
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breaking news. Kim, do you want to, let's go to
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the breaking news desk. Breaking news from the breaking news desk.
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Here's Kim McAllister.
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After 12 years at Fox News, Maria Bartiromo has been
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shown the door.
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Wow.
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What?
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Oh, my goodness.
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I've said this a lot. This is a classic Mark
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Thompson drop. Sayonara, sucker.
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Yet again.
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Everybody hit the button together. That's it. Yeah.
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So Fox News announcing her departure. They say, we thank Maria.
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We thank Maria.
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For all of her work over the last 12 and
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a half years. And we wish her all the best
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on her next chapter.
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Yes.
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What prompted her exit? We don't know.
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Does she have future plans? Is she the next White
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House spokesperson?
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Oh, wow.
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Who is having that conversation? I think some people might
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actually be talking about that.
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She's bent over a lot and kissed Trump's big toe.
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So it may be that she gets a job in
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the administration. That's why she's checking out.
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I don't know. She's left to spend more time sucking
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up to Trump in front of her family. Wow. Maria, out.
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Out, out, out.
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Uh-huh.
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Well, all right.
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We're in better shape, but I don't think we're in
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wildly better shape.
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I don't think it affects us at all, actually. All right.
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But that is big news. Thank you, Kim. Very well done.
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All right. Albert, I want to, before David Katz gets here,
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I want to get to some midterm stuff. So let.
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Me do that.
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The Mark Thompson Show. There is a lot going on
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with the midterms, and I say midterms. unabashedly, the Democrats
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should have a good showing. And the Republicans are aware
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of that, chief among them perhaps Donald Trump. Elon Musk
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has unleashed his first wave of spending on key races
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in the midterms. As you know, he's pledged immense amounts
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of money in support of candidates. His super PAC is
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disclosing that its first independent expenditures of the 2026 general
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election have totaled roughly $ 800, 000 across key house and Senate races.
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His America pack targeting several key Senate contests, Texas, Maine, Ohio,
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New Hampshire, Iowa, Michigan, and Alaska. Meantime, Republicans are saying,
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where is the super PAC money that Donald Trump has?
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He has a lot of money. The window for spending
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is starting to get smaller and Trump has this nonprofit.
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They're putting a million dollars toward ads featuring Donald Trump,
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but the PAC hasn't spent any money. Trump's PAC. is
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hanging on to the cash. Trump's political advisors have been
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answering questions, and the super PAC that had more than
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$ 400 million on hand as of July 31st hasn't let
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any of that money fly. The president has not revealed
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his plans, and his political advisors are consistently saying that
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they're not going to share it. those plans with reporters,
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probably because they have none. Theories about what Trump wants
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to do with the money cover a broad range of possibilities,
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including protecting his political influence in the next presidential race
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by passing on the money to his chosen successor. He
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may not spend a dime of this in these races.
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And these races are getting hot. In Texas, you have
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a real chance of Ken Paxton being defeated. And now,
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the calls against Ken Paxton, calling him out, he's of course,
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as you're aware, wildly corrupt. Eight members of his staff,
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as I recall, came forward to the FBI to talk
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about favors being done in the Attorney General's office when
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he was the Attorney General there in Texas. So Ken
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Paxton is taking on water against Tallarico. And as I say,
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even Republicans, Karl Rove, one of the apex predators of
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dirty tricks and electioneering, called in and talked about the
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fact that Paxton is busy on vacation while we're all
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trying to lift him into the victory circle against Tallarico.
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Karl Rove saying, hey, we're doing all the work. Where's Paxton?
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It's cut to.
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Paxton, remember, the week leading up to the 4th of July,
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he was in Washington the week before the 4th of
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July on that weekend. No fundraiser that I can find.
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And then on Tuesday, he was seen leaving for Iceland
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with his latest girlfriend. And then the two of them
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spent the 4th of July celebrating in London, England. Now, look,
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we have London, Texas. It's out in the West Exit,
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not a big town. But if he wanted to go
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to London, he should have gone to London, Texas, rather
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than London, England. Time is running out. If the president
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wants to have Paxton win, he needs to be tossing
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a lot of money Paxton's way so that ads can
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be run that depict Tallarico as the far left winger
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that he is. If not, Tallarico is going to run
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the message of my opponent is the most corrupt politician
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in Texas history. all the way to the victory line.
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Yeah, well, the Karl Rove is right about that. But
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the bat beam is up. They want to get Trump
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down there, want to get Trump money down there. And
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here's Trump talking about Paxton and cut three, Albert, if
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you would please play a bit of Trump's reflections on Paxton.
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It sounds like he doesn't like Paxton, you know, Trump
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is all about how somebody looks. I mean, that's how
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Hegseth got his job. That's how Besant got his job.
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Half these guys are there just because they look the part.
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And so he's not crazy for Paxton's look, but he
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does know it's a critical race. He had these thoughts.
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And some people don't like the way he dresses or
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some people don't like the way he interviews or talks.
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But you know the one thing about him?
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He was the best attorney general in this country for
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the last 10 years or more. the most effective, the
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hardest working. He was the best attorney general in the
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United States. And so I don't care about an interview
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and I don't care about the way he dresses.
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We're going to go.
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Go ahead. Play the last little bit. He goes right
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back at him and the way he dresses. Yeah.
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Ken Paxton, who's a great guy. I mean, so Ken Paxton,
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you might not like the way he dresses. And I
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say this is so insulting to him, but I might
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as well say it. You might not like the way
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he looks. You might not love his look. You might
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not love his television interviews.
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Okay.
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But he was the best attorney general in the country, perhaps.
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He was one of the best in the entire country.
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There you go. I mean, again, when he was attorney general,
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there are a lot of questions in the state of Texas.
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That's Trump on Paxton. You may not like the way
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he looks. You may not like the way he dresses.
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but he's the corrupt guy for the job. So vote
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for Ken Paxton. That's the Mark Thompson Show. Yeah, best
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AG at getting impeached by his own party in Texas,
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says Randy. Yeah, there were impeachment proceedings. Paxton, and best
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at being corrupt, thank you. He slithered away from a
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lot of really bad stuff, but he is openly corrupt.
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Just look at the amount of money. Look at his
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net worth now versus a few years ago. And you'll see,
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I mean, this is a guy who has... made a
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fortune with the corruption that he has brought to his
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positions in Texas. All right, I've got to move. I've
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got to get going. So let me get my guy.
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The Mark Thompson Show. If you've watched the BBC, if
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you've watched Fox News Channel, News Nation, and across the
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globe in the English-speaking world, you know this legal analyst.
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He is much envied by... So many media outlets when
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he comes here on Thursdays, I feel like we've really
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got a treasure. How about it for the great former
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federal prosecutor, now defense attorney, David Katz.
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Hey, great to be with you, Mark.
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How are you, man?
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I've had a rough ride, pal. Yeah, it's been a
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rough ride. I broke my ankle and now I'm sitting down,
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which is fine. But it's very slow, too. It's like
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two steps forward, one step back in terms of the recovery.
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So I don't know. But I'm really glad I could
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be here for you because I was just talking about
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you with someone yesterday because they listened to the show
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and they were saying, I thought David Katz said that
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SCOTUS wasn't going to approve the ballroom. And I said, well,
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they didn't approve it. They kind of... You know, they're
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doing a shimmy with the ballroom and some of the
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SCOTUS stuff, both at the ballroom and with the mail-in
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voting messing around that Trump is doing. I wonder if
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you could sort of set the record straight on your
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prediction versus what SCOTUS is. And it's really not all
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about prediction, but I'm just talking about taking the measure
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of the court right now when it comes to so
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many of the things that Trump wants to do that
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seem blatantly illegal.
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Well, that actually, I.
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Have to give a straight-up mark That broke my 21
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game pitching streak. And if you're going to go out there,
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you're going to not be 21-0, you're going to be
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21-1 one of those days or 22-1. I got the
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tariffs case right. I got the actress going down the
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slope right. I got 21 in a row pretty much
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right when I took the cuts and dollars. And that
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one really did surprise me because I think that Kavanaugh
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and Amy Coney Barrett will be known by that picture
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of that huge pit at the White House. I think
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that they'll carry that to their grave and beyond as
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a disgrace of them rolling over for the president. I thought,
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you know, Chief Justice Roberts, you know, sometimes what I
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do is I predict him. He's sort of my, you know,
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once I break it out to like, OK, there's three
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of them. There's two of them that are going to
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never do anything sensible. That's Alito and Thomas. Three of them,
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the three Democratic-appointed women, are going to do something.
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Sensible, in my view, almost every time.
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And then you try to figure out what— Gorsuch is almost
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a lost cause. So you're pretty much three and three.
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And then what are Barrett, Kavanaugh, and especially the chief
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going to do? And I thought that the chief would
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see it the way that I saw it. And the
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legal issue in the case is not whether— supposedly. whether what
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he did was proper or not, because he didn't get
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Congress's approval. He's spending a huge amount of money without Congress,
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which has the power of the purse, agreeing to pay
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for it.
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And so it was so plainly illegal.
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And that judge in Washington, D.C., Richard Leon, who I
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knew before he went on the bench and is just brilliant,
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a Republican, I predicted that he was going to rule
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just the way that he did. And then I got
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the Court of Appeals right that they were going to
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back him up on that. The way that the 5-4 decision,
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they got the chief to go with the three Democratic-appointed women,
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but they lost all five of the others on the
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theory that there was not standing. So they could stand
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there and say, we're not saying the president did the
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right thing. We accept the idea that he ran behind
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everyone's back as fast as he could. He figured that
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he could demolish and build faster than the court could rule.
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He was proven right. He was like the kid who says,
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I'm not going to ask permission. I'm going to do
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whatever the hell I want and watch. So I think
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that not only will Kavanaugh and Barrett on that decision
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be known as backing up him, whatever he wanted to do,
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but the standing issue is supposedly this, Mark. The person
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who had standing, the plaintiff, was someone who had to
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walk by that pit, that mess, as ugly as it was,
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as loud as it was, and say that she walked
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by there every day on her route. She wasn't someone
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who chose to walk by that route. Every day on
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her route, and she had this aesthetic and other reaction
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to it, and that having your aesthetics and your peace
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of mind as you walk by and your peace of view,
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walk-by is standing.
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There are precedents, Mark, on that, just like Roe v.
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Wade, just like all these other precedents. So this was
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a precedent-shattering decision where the five of them said, despite
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what we held in other cases, that that aesthetic harm
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to that plaintiff is enough for standing.
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Oh, in this case, it wasn't.
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And then Chief Justice Roberts very wisely said, my God,
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if in general you have standing based on the aesthetics
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of something ugly that you have to walk by, something
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that shouldn't be there because the law has been broken
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in putting it there.
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The law has been broken by not getting Congress's approval.
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So I went on the merits and I went on
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the standing because I am harmed by this aesthetic and
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noise harm on my daily route. he said, my God,
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if that's true of any old site, it's certainly true
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of the White House, symbol of the nation, symbol of
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the executive branch, symbol of our nation around the world.
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And he talked, Chief Justice Roberts, about how historically important
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this particular building was, really unique this building was. But
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I want to say one more thing about it, Mark,
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and then we can get off it if you want to.
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The Supreme Court is always worried that its orders won't
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be enforced. You remember when those people were flown illegally
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down to Central America, and there was a real fear
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that that guy in what was at El Salvador with
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his grotesque, awful torture chamber, the prison that we sent
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people to, that he wouldn't send people back, and Trump
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would throw his hands up in the air, and the
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Supreme Court was very worried about issuing orders.
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On that one, they were very good. They ruled unanimously 9-0.
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To put the whole imprimatur of the judicial branch behind
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the ruling. And basically, although a lot of people thought
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that that was an Ibrigo Garcia wouldn't be brought back,
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they found a cheesy way to do it and they
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brought him back. The reality is they did not defy
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the U.S. Supreme Court's nine nothing decision. But I think
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that to the extent you can say anything good about
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this decision, anything sensible, let's assume you're a law clerk
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to one of those justices like Barrett, And Kavanaugh, I'm
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trying to kick that around your head and said, what
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the hell just happened here by the justice that I
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clerked for and whose name I'll always be associated with
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if you're one of their law clerks.
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You know, they are very worried.
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Andrew Jackson, he was overruled by the Supreme Court on
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the Trail of Tears and the poor Native Americans walked
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and died all over the Southeast. And the Supreme Court said,
815
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President Jackson, you cannot do that. And Jackson said, Supreme
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Court's ruled, let them enforce it. And that is always
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the fear that we really will have a constitutional crisis.
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So think how, what a constitutional crisis we might've had
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here if they had ruled, let's say five to four,
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that he had to stop right away and he didn't stop.
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And there he is at the White House He's telling
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the whole country this is a matter of national security.
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This boom is.
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Inextricably connected to the national security bunker structure. That may
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all be BS, but he would have beat that drum
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and beat that drum and not complied.
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And now here you are.
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It's not the Arc de Triomphe garbage.
829
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It's not the Kennedy Center garbage. It's the president's property.
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I know he's just the tenant there, but he has effective,
831
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tremendous control. The Supreme Court's going to send two of
832
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the marshals to enforce the order. And when Trump doesn't
833
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enforce that order.
834
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Then we have a real constitutional crisis. And at the
835
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end of the day, what do you have?
836
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You have an incredibly ugly garish ballroom that costs almost
837
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a billion dollars, but they spent $ 172 billion on ICE.
838
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So in the scheme of things, I took a deep
839
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breath and I said, you know what? This is not
840
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the fall of the Republic.
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This is a big, ugly, garish ballroom that probably when
842
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the Democrats get to power, they will make it more
843
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user-friendly and probably keep it. It's probably not going to
844
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be a top Democratic priority with all the priorities, Mark,
845
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to spend half a billion dollars tearing down the ball.
846
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And that's just the reality of he got away with one.
847
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I don't want to obsess on this, but I really
848
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feel as though you can make that it's not the
849
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end of the Republic argument about so many different things.
850
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And you can rationalize the complete lawlessness with which this
851
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administration moves forward on these impulsive vanity projects that are
852
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also slash military projects that Trump is pursuing all around
853
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Washington as he cuts down the cherry blossoms that were
854
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the gift from Japan, as he reshapes Washington in his image,
855
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as he threatens demolition of the Kennedy Center and he
856
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threatens it in less There's a guarantee that his name
857
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:49.059
can be inscribed on it. These are all things that
858
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are loathsome. You can also say, well, it's not the
859
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end of the Republic that all of these things are happening. Yeah,
860
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.420
I get it. But it's all of a kind. And
861
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I love that you talk about the fact that enforcement
862
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is a problem. I mean, even if there had been
863
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the judgment on the part of the Supreme Court that
864
00:51:05.690 --> 00:51:08.369
everybody wanted or that those of us in this camp
865
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wanted and felt just that justice needed to be done, yeah,
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the follow-through would have been really difficult. I see us
867
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in this situation that you talk about a lot, and
868
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you just referenced it again, that something happens, and by
869
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the time, and you mentioned with Andrew Jackson, The Trail
870
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of Tears, by the time you get around to actually
871
00:51:28.429 --> 00:51:31.130
righting the wrong, the wrong is a horror show that
872
00:51:31.150 --> 00:51:34.269
can never be righted. Now, again, this isn't that, but
873
00:51:34.750 --> 00:51:37.530
it's of a kind, and it worries me, David, that
874
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this is, again, we're seeing it happen with immigration as well,
875
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with the ICE officers and ICE officers who are lying
876
00:51:43.829 --> 00:51:49.369
about the shooting of those who are involved in protests,
877
00:51:49.590 --> 00:51:54.070
the detainees that are being sent to countries they have
878
00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:56.880
no relationship to. And these are countries, as you know,
879
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:00.699
in Africa that there is a no travel advisory coming
880
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.980
from the State Department on. And there's a cruel and
881
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:08.980
unusual aspect to the punishment that's being meted out to
882
00:52:09.019 --> 00:52:12.130
these detainees that seems lawless as well. Is it the
883
00:52:12.170 --> 00:52:17.250
end of the republic? No, I know, but there's a
884
00:52:17.349 --> 00:52:20.500
moral imperative, I think, at some point to step forward
885
00:52:20.539 --> 00:52:22.539
and challenge these things. And sadly, and I'm talking to
886
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:28.119
a great legal mind, the law seems unable to really
887
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.010
be up to the task with these guys.
888
00:52:30.889 --> 00:52:32.329
Well, you raise two great points.
889
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One is that it's asymmetrical too, because the Democrats believe
890
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in the rule of law. So the fact is that
891
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they are not going to answer in kind. And so
892
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it shouldn't be that just when a Republican like Trump
893
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gets in there. And we may have a lot more
894
00:52:47.710 --> 00:52:49.329
Trumps down the road. That may be one of the
895
00:52:49.409 --> 00:52:54.849
horrors of the future. And elections have consequences. People have
896
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to really get out and vote. A lot of people thought, well,
897
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what difference does it make? Harris, Trump, inflation's kind of high,
898
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and Trump will bring it down. Boom, I'm voting for Trump.
899
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And didn't think through all of the consequences. And then now,
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of So many of those swing voters are horrified by
901
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:15.610
their vote. They can't believe that they've enabled this wannabe dictator,
902
00:53:15.969 --> 00:53:18.050
but they have. And it's not going to be any,
903
00:53:18.949 --> 00:53:21.630
it's not like, well, okay, when the Democrats get to power,
904
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they can start building a whole bunch of stuff without
905
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getting the approval of Congress.
906
00:53:25.570 --> 00:53:27.869
That's not what Democrats run on. That's not what the
907
00:53:27.929 --> 00:53:28.849
rule of law is about.
908
00:53:28.909 --> 00:53:31.250
And it shouldn't be that when someone like Trump gets
909
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to power, they can do whatever they want to, take bribes,
910
00:53:34.710 --> 00:53:38.949
favor their cronies. And then when the Democrats are in power,
911
00:53:39.269 --> 00:53:41.750
it's a level playing field in fairness. I know the
912
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Democrats have their own problems. They have a lot of corruption,
913
00:53:45.349 --> 00:53:47.409
especially in some of the big cities. But it's nothing
914
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on the scale of what we've seen with Trump. The
915
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second thing about you were saying with people being sent
916
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to those countries that are so awful, Central African republic,
917
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which I guess American tourists are not allowed to go to,
918
00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:01.940
and yet we're sending people by official action there.
919
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With Trump, it's all one thing. It's to deter immigration.
920
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He wants people from Latin America who have no connection
921
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with Africa and no desire to be sent to Africa.
922
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He's playing on those tropes. He's playing on those fears.
923
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And saying, oh, my God, I'm not going to leave
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Central or South America and come to the United States because, oh,
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my God, I may be separated from my children.
926
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That was Trump one.
927
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And this one, I may be sent to some horrible
928
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place that American tourists aren't even allowed to travel to.
929
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And that'll be my fate.
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And then some of those countries, you know, will take
931
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basically money if the person has any money and they'll
932
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let them go somewhere else. But the vast majority of
933
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the market probably don't have any resources at all.
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And they'll they'll really they'll die or they'll suffer, you know, whatever.
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Fate.
936
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I mean, people die right in those countries. Natives have
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difficulty living in those countries. Some of them are so poor,
938
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they have such terrible, talk about what we're scared about
939
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with the ecology and with global warming, they have such
940
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terrible ecological conditions, cleanliness standards in some of those countries.
941
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How on earth are those people sent there going to survive?
942
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And that's the whole point. Trump wants that news to
943
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go back to Latin America and places that people would
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leave from and say, how's that for specific deterrence?
945
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General deterrence. I would just say that clearly you're right.
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I'll just say one thing on this. It's awful.
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I'm right, but it's awful.
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Yeah.
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The people involved in this aren't just the Latin American
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landscapers who have come here, lived for 25 years, and
951
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whose son and daughter actually served in the military, and
952
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yet he's been now detained and sent away. They are
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Afghanis who were promised protection when they helped American troops
954
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in the Afghan war, they have no ability to go
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back to Afghanistan without being persecuted and killed, tortured and
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killed by the Taliban. So the idea somehow that you're
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taking these people who served honorably alongside American troops and
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helped us in the Afghanistan war, and you're sending them
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to some third world outpost that is, as you say,
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00:56:15.969 --> 00:56:18.909
it's kind of, I don't know, it's hell on earth.
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It's beyond loathsome. I mean, it's grotesque in the extreme.
962
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And yet, as you say, I get it. It's a
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message he's sending, but it's just so un-American. It's just
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not what we do. And I guess it just shakes
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00:56:38.630 --> 00:56:39.269
me to the core.
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00:56:40.550 --> 00:56:42.869
It should, and I think it shakes just about everybody
967
00:56:43.130 --> 00:56:47.230
watching this show. One thing, too, is that we are
968
00:56:47.250 --> 00:56:50.599
sustaining this long-range harm You know, one thing, America is
969
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.539
so strong, protected by our two oceans and our two
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00:56:53.619 --> 00:56:54.420
friendly neighbors.
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If Trump would keep it that way for a little while. But,
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you know, we're so.
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Safe because we have the Gulf of America under us
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00:57:02.949 --> 00:57:04.530
and we have the Lake.
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America on top of us.
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And we have American Ocean 1 to the right of
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00:57:10.170 --> 00:57:12.489
us and American Ocean 2 to the left of us.
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00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.340
But we really are so safe. We have such an advantage.
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I mean, people need to sort of get their arms
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00:57:18.070 --> 00:57:20.190
around what we had and what we're losing.
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We are losing this incredible prominence.
982
00:57:24.510 --> 00:57:28.090
There was really an American exceptionalism, and it wasn't because
983
00:57:28.150 --> 00:57:31.119
we made more tanks than somebody else. A lot of
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00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:34.159
people make tanks. It was because America was viewed a
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00:57:34.219 --> 00:57:38.199
certain way in the world. It's sort of like Israeli exceptionalism.
986
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.179
Israel was viewed a certain way in the world. And Israel,
987
00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:44.630
of course, totally squandered It's standing in the world.
988
00:57:45.030 --> 00:57:47.429
We're on our way, not as fast as Israel, but
989
00:57:47.469 --> 00:57:48.090
we're on our.
990
00:57:48.010 --> 00:57:51.130
Way with Trump. And what you just said there, who
991
00:57:51.170 --> 00:57:52.829
the hell wants to help us in the future? It
992
00:57:52.889 --> 00:57:55.489
comes down to, OK, let's play the long game. If
993
00:57:55.570 --> 00:57:58.840
I help America in its next contest against China, its
994
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.530
next contest against Russia, am I going to be treated
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00:58:01.590 --> 00:58:03.619
right by the Americans because I helped them? Are they
996
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:05.260
going to have a long memory? Are they going to
997
00:58:05.300 --> 00:58:07.780
be ingrates who throw me to the wolves? Well, right
998
00:58:07.820 --> 00:58:09.679
now we look like ingrates who threw a lot of
999
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.239
our Afghani friends and collaborators to the wolves.
1000
00:58:13.030 --> 00:58:15.800
I mean, again, America's always had kind of the shadowy
1001
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:22.159
reputation as not standing necessarily by guarantees that we've made,
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00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.199
and this just takes it to an extreme. You talk
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00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:29.099
a lot about the Supreme Court and expanding the number
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00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:35.030
of justices. There was a proposed constitutional amendment to block
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00:58:35.630 --> 00:58:41.190
any kind of changes in the number of Supreme Court justices,
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00:58:41.309 --> 00:58:43.530
in other words, to limit the number of Supreme Court
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00:58:43.590 --> 00:58:47.579
justices to nine. And this is something that is happening
1008
00:58:47.659 --> 00:58:52.519
just now, and the Democrats have blocked it. I consider
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00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.139
it a little bit of kabuki theater, because you would
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00:58:56.090 --> 00:58:59.550
need an amendment, wouldn't you? I mean, you'd need a vote.
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00:58:59.969 --> 00:59:02.389
You'd need a vote. I'm sorry, you'd need a vote.
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00:59:02.429 --> 00:59:05.030
You'd need a two-thirds vote, would you not, to expand
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00:59:05.050 --> 00:59:05.360
the court?
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00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:09.900
No, that's what's so unbelievable about this, Mark. There's nothing
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00:59:09.940 --> 00:59:13.199
in the Constitution which says the number of justices on
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the Supreme Court. The last time that the Supreme Court's
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00:59:16.769 --> 00:59:21.030
number of justices was expanded was by the great Abraham Lincoln.
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00:59:23.170 --> 00:59:25.090
So let me just press you on that. Can it
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00:59:25.110 --> 00:59:26.550
be done by presidential fiat?
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00:59:27.349 --> 00:59:29.190
No, but it has to be just a bill like
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00:59:29.289 --> 00:59:29.869
any other bill.
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00:59:30.130 --> 00:59:31.909
Okay, so what has to happen with a bill?
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00:59:32.389 --> 00:59:34.699
They could pass a bill saying that, you know, the.
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00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:36.360
No, I get it, but what kind of vote... The
1025
00:59:36.380 --> 00:59:40.280
problem would be the filibuster. The problem would be to.
1026
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.300
Get by the filibuster in a sense.
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00:59:41.340 --> 00:59:44.030
But let's say Biden had said, you know, My priority
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00:59:44.110 --> 00:59:47.670
is not going to be building construction and wonderful improvements
1029
00:59:47.730 --> 00:59:51.860
around America, including in Republican states and Republican districts who
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00:59:51.900 --> 00:59:54.659
will turn their back on me, not vote for me.
1031
00:59:55.699 --> 00:59:58.239
But because he was so gracious, Biden, he would let
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00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:02.010
those Republicans who had vehemently opposed his construction funds show
1033
01:00:02.110 --> 01:00:04.710
up when they had the shovels in the ground. OK,
1034
01:00:04.849 --> 01:00:06.349
let's assume that hadn't been his priority.
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01:00:06.530 --> 01:00:09.369
You're talking about the infrastructure bill that he really went
1036
01:00:09.389 --> 01:00:11.349
to bat to get passed. Yes, go ahead.
1037
01:00:11.449 --> 01:00:15.980
And history will record was not reelected, was not ended
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01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.940
up re-dominated. How much benefit did it give him in
1039
01:00:18.980 --> 01:00:22.579
the swing states? I think Trump won every single swing state.
1040
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.079
And I'm not saying that it wasn't a great idea, but,
1041
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.260
you know, we have to think politically when we get
1042
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.769
back into power. If he'd have gone after this Supreme
1043
01:00:29.829 --> 01:00:32.170
Court thing, I think he might have gotten it. He
1044
01:00:32.210 --> 01:00:32.889
had the Senate.
1045
01:00:34.050 --> 01:00:34.739
He had the Senate.
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01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:36.639
They would have had to take it out of the filibuster.
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01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:39.019
But my God, if there's one thing worth taking out
1048
01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:45.260
of the filibuster, it's to increase this Republican-leaning, right-leaning, Federalist
1049
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:46.900
society dominated.
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01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:49.500
There's more people on the Federalist society.
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01:00:49.619 --> 01:00:52.780
There's a majority just of Federalist society people on the U.S.
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01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:53.360
Supreme Court.
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01:00:53.420 --> 01:00:54.940
And some of them are young. Some of them are
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01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:56.900
going to be there for 20 or 30 years. And
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01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:59.679
the voters get their heads around that. And Biden had
1056
01:00:59.739 --> 01:01:01.800
gotten their heads around that. He would have gotten it
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01:01:01.820 --> 01:01:04.070
through the House because he had the House. His only
1058
01:01:04.130 --> 01:01:06.329
problem would have been trying to deal with a filibuster.
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01:01:06.550 --> 01:01:08.360
He couldn't have gotten 60 votes for it. He would
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01:01:08.389 --> 01:01:10.719
have had to have, he had 52 votes there. And
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01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:13.460
you might say, well, okay, Manchin and Sinema.
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01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:14.599
Would have screwed him on that. That's exactly what I
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01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:15.019
would say, yeah.
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There's something they wanted.
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01:01:16.500 --> 01:01:19.760
There was some energy thing that West Virginia wanted. There
1066
01:01:19.780 --> 01:01:22.630
was something that, she seemed to want everything from that
1067
01:01:22.730 --> 01:01:25.269
carried interest lobby, those people who didn't want to have
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01:01:25.309 --> 01:01:27.650
to pay taxes like you and I do on their
1069
01:01:27.710 --> 01:01:31.429
multimillion dollar stock portfolios, or even their income in the
1070
01:01:31.469 --> 01:01:36.360
stock portfolios, This whole thing that she was so receptive to. Well,
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01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.920
Biden couldn't have thought of something that she really wanted
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01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:39.679
to get her vote.
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01:01:39.739 --> 01:01:41.519
That's what she did. That's what LBJ was doing. You're
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01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:43.760
saying Biden could have bought her off and tried to
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01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:45.130
buy Manchin off and get it through.
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01:01:45.170 --> 01:01:47.210
That's what legislation is all about, dude.
1077
01:01:47.230 --> 01:01:50.329
This idea that there are these great Solons who are
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01:01:50.389 --> 01:01:53.090
sent there and they only vote. They vote on what
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01:01:53.130 --> 01:01:55.599
their constituents want and they vote on I'll trade this
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01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:57.760
for I'll trade that. He would have had the Supreme Court...
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01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:01.480
Without any constitutional amendment, he could have raised it. The
1082
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:06.130
perfect number, I always thought, was 13. And that would,
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01:02:06.750 --> 01:02:10.530
I think, Roberts would still have some power. If you
1084
01:02:10.570 --> 01:02:13.809
increased it by four people, and maybe the deal to
1085
01:02:13.849 --> 01:02:16.389
get around the filibuster, maybe to get around the Republicans,
1086
01:02:16.409 --> 01:02:16.980
you might say, well, why.
1087
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:18.039
On earth would they have agreed to that?
1088
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:21.679
Okay, three Democrats who were moderates, pretty much, you know,
1089
01:02:21.699 --> 01:02:23.639
they weren't going to be like from the far left
1090
01:02:23.659 --> 01:02:24.280
to the extent.
1091
01:02:24.099 --> 01:02:25.119
They're a far left jurist.
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01:02:25.179 --> 01:02:27.030
I sure haven't run into a lot of them, but
1093
01:02:27.070 --> 01:02:29.789
the Republicans seem to think there's always far left jurists
1094
01:02:30.090 --> 01:02:30.449
out there.
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01:02:30.530 --> 01:02:33.010
I'm a criminal defense attorney, believe me. They're not far
1096
01:02:33.090 --> 01:02:35.190
left on criminal justice issues.
1097
01:02:35.610 --> 01:02:37.940
Yeah, Trump, as noted here, Trump has no interest in
1098
01:02:37.980 --> 01:02:39.460
expanding the court. And we're not talking about Trump. We're
1099
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.659
talking about... Biden and the opportunities that were presented to
1100
01:02:42.699 --> 01:02:45.679
Biden to perhaps expand the court. I don't know that
1101
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:47.579
Manchin and Sinema might have come over, but as you say,
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01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:49.800
you know, you have the right inducements. Maybe they do.
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01:02:49.820 --> 01:02:52.110
Can I answer this one comment here?
1104
01:02:52.130 --> 01:02:56.329
It was a very interesting situation. The Supreme Court, I think,
1105
01:02:56.369 --> 01:02:59.690
started with five. It went to seven. It went to nine.
1106
01:02:59.969 --> 01:03:03.349
It kind of increased as the appellate circuits increased. So
1107
01:03:03.389 --> 01:03:05.730
we had a first circuit in New England, a second
1108
01:03:05.809 --> 01:03:10.139
circuit in like New York and Connecticut, the Third Circuit,
1109
01:03:10.179 --> 01:03:11.719
New Jersey. You can see how it kind of went.
1110
01:03:11.980 --> 01:03:14.780
We went to five circuits as the nation expanded. We
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01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:17.769
went from five circuits to seven to nine. And there
1112
01:03:17.809 --> 01:03:19.070
were a number of justices.
1113
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:20.420
For the circuits.
1114
01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:22.510
And so there would be a justice sort of on
1115
01:03:22.590 --> 01:03:24.690
top of that circuit. And some of these decisions, when
1116
01:03:24.710 --> 01:03:26.989
they get the stays, people think, why is Alito voting
1117
01:03:27.030 --> 01:03:29.989
on this stay? Alito is the justice over that circuit.
1118
01:03:30.349 --> 01:03:33.880
Why is Roberts issuing this temporary stay over Washington, D.C.
1119
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:38.460
Order? Because he's the circuit justice over that circuit. So
1120
01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:42.739
the idea is, well, wait a second. Now we have.
1121
01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:46.230
1315 appellate circuits because the nation's gotten bigger. And And
1122
01:03:46.250 --> 01:03:48.690
why don't we have 13 justices? And of course, the
1123
01:03:48.750 --> 01:03:50.889
Supreme Court could have gone that way. The thing that
1124
01:03:51.030 --> 01:03:52.889
kind of gets in the way of the discussion is
1125
01:03:52.929 --> 01:03:57.849
the so-called court packing by FDR. And FDR's plan was
1126
01:03:57.909 --> 01:04:00.730
just a fiasco. And it was driven by, I think
1127
01:04:00.769 --> 01:04:02.909
it was either the Speaker of the House or the
1128
01:04:02.949 --> 01:04:04.710
head of the Senate who wanted to be one of
1129
01:04:04.750 --> 01:04:07.550
the new justices. So that kind of made it look
1130
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:10.059
suspect when that came out that he wanted to be
1131
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.340
one of the justices. And then it was a very
1132
01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:16.170
convoluted process And the famous expression from then, Mark, is
1133
01:04:16.449 --> 01:04:19.010
a switch in time that saved nine.
1134
01:04:19.510 --> 01:04:20.179
So the U.S.
1135
01:04:20.219 --> 01:04:25.219
Supreme Court, nine justices, had really blocked his New Deal legislation.
1136
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.079
One of them decided that it was not a violation
1137
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.679
of the Commerce Clause to do all of the things that.
1138
01:04:32.099 --> 01:04:34.800
FDR wanted to do nationwide, switched his vote.
1139
01:04:35.139 --> 01:04:39.920
So the 6-3 or 5-4 majority against FDR over and
1140
01:04:39.980 --> 01:04:43.800
over again in the 30s became a 5-4 win on everything.
1141
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.619
That was the switch in time that saved nine.
1142
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:48.679
And that was why, you know, the whole thing kind
1143
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:49.420
of fizzled out.
1144
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:51.739
But the idea that there was court packing.
1145
01:04:52.469 --> 01:04:55.340
So this this legislation that you're talking about was the
1146
01:04:55.389 --> 01:04:58.550
House said, OK, we'll do some propaganda on this. We'll
1147
01:04:58.590 --> 01:05:02.909
pass a bill that says we'll never expand our constitutional amendment.
1148
01:05:02.929 --> 01:05:04.829
They want to vote on a constitutional amendment that said
1149
01:05:05.130 --> 01:05:08.489
we shall never increase the number of justices elected in
1150
01:05:08.530 --> 01:05:09.250
the Constitution.
1151
01:05:09.269 --> 01:05:11.269
But right now it is not in the Constitution.
1152
01:05:11.699 --> 01:05:14.579
So all they need is both houses of Congress and
1153
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.119
the president to sign it, something that Biden could have achieved. But,
1154
01:05:18.179 --> 01:05:19.940
you know, Biden wimped out on the thing. He had
1155
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:22.659
a big commission. He had a bunch of famous professors.
1156
01:05:23.019 --> 01:05:25.969
They all fulminated. They said brilliant things. Maybe there should
1157
01:05:25.989 --> 01:05:28.610
be term limits. Term limits don't work. You're going to
1158
01:05:28.650 --> 01:05:31.610
term out the people that you're putting on there. Well,
1159
01:05:31.849 --> 01:05:34.530
Alito might sit there until he's 95 years old. And
1160
01:05:34.590 --> 01:05:38.670
so might Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. So term limits don't work.
1161
01:05:38.769 --> 01:05:41.760
And so Biden just did something to sort of placate people.
1162
01:05:41.820 --> 01:05:45.340
And I think that really the candidate in 2028 should
1163
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.800
run on this issue. I think it is important to
1164
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:49.980
run on an issue like this, that you want this
1165
01:05:50.019 --> 01:05:52.789
kind of structural reform and you want it by legislation.
1166
01:05:53.030 --> 01:05:55.610
And you start talking about the abominations that they've done,
1167
01:05:55.670 --> 01:05:56.690
presidential immunity.
1168
01:05:57.329 --> 01:06:00.869
Uh, Dobbs, all of those things, Mark. The reality is
1169
01:06:01.030 --> 01:06:02.679
you can reverse all those precedents.
1170
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.500
This idea that they stand on precedent, you know, Senator
1171
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.440
Susan Collins, oh, I looked at Kavanaugh's eyes.
1172
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:10.000
And I could tell he's a man who's going to
1173
01:06:10.059 --> 01:06:11.460
stand on precedent.
1174
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.280
He's a man who bamboozled you or you were complicit
1175
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:16.090
in the whole thing.
1176
01:06:15.949 --> 01:06:19.630
And misled the public, Susan Collins. Yeah, exactly. I mean,
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01:06:19.670 --> 01:06:21.329
you know, it's funny. I couldn't agree with you more
1178
01:06:21.409 --> 01:06:23.230
that I always hear about how the Democrats are going
1179
01:06:23.250 --> 01:06:25.000
to pack the court. The Democrats are going to expand
1180
01:06:25.019 --> 01:06:27.980
the court. You're damn straight. I mean, that's absolutely my,
1181
01:06:28.219 --> 01:06:31.440
when I hear it, I go, yeah, someone, we'd be
1182
01:06:31.460 --> 01:06:35.179
crazy not to. Yeah. Someone has to bring this court to, uh,
1183
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:35.889
to heal.
1184
01:06:35.929 --> 01:06:38.289
Senator Schiff agrees with me. Senator Schiff didn't used to
1185
01:06:38.329 --> 01:06:40.480
agree with me, but he saw enough of it.
1186
01:06:40.590 --> 01:06:41.710
You know, he saw Dobbs.
1187
01:06:42.090 --> 01:06:45.230
He saw, he saw Citizens United. Uh, he saw the
1188
01:06:45.449 --> 01:06:49.260
Voting Rights Act cases, uh, And the reality is it's just,
1189
01:06:49.619 --> 01:06:51.900
you know, it's five politicians in black robes.
1190
01:06:51.940 --> 01:06:52.820
I mean, I'm a lawyer.
1191
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:55.510
I have great respect for the courts. Most of the
1192
01:06:55.550 --> 01:06:58.110
judges you appear in front of are not politicians in
1193
01:06:58.150 --> 01:06:59.769
black robes, but these.
1194
01:06:59.630 --> 01:07:03.039
Nine, These nine that's what they've been winnowed out.
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That's what they that's what they've spent decades on this
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They spent a huge amount of money they've paid attention
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to this issue in a way the Democrats have it
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and here we are that I Just like Chief Judge
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Robert probably cuz I met him and he was so
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delightful and I know mark you always say.
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To me That's not you know, what do they say?
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It was nice to his dog.
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Exactly a dog, right?
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So discount for that bias that Chief Justice Roberts.
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Yeah, well, I mean, at least Roberts came over on
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that one decision to which you referred, but on the
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ballroom thing, but he- The tariff.
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Sent a couple of others. He voted the right way
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on birthright citizenship. Mark, if he'd have gone the other
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way on birthright citizenship, and it had been, you know,
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because Kavanaugh is just waiting for that bill, which is
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somehow going to change the Constitution and affect birthright citizenship.
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So there's five solid votes that say the Constitution- means
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what it says. Birthright citizenship is here. It's in the Constitution.
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He was the fifth vote to say that, Roberts.
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Yeah, that's cold comfort to a lot of people who
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are watching the other decisions they make. All right, David,
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I'm out of time. Love our visits. Thank you so
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much for taking a minute to visit with us on Thursdays.
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Love being back with you as well.
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Market, get better real soon.
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And when you say that I'm on Fox, I just
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want to emphasize again, I'm not going, you know, hallelujah
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with Hannity. I'm talking about things like Lindsay Clancy and
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01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:27.159
that 30-year-old trial about Tupac Shapiro.
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01:08:27.220 --> 01:08:31.050
Yeah, you're there as a trial analyst on Fox, I
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should say. Absolutely. You're not rah-rah. You're not part of
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the jihad. that they pursued there. All right, David. Thank you.
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David Katz, everybody.
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Hi to Kim, too.
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Hey, guys.
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Hi, Kim.
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01:08:44.829 --> 01:08:45.970
The Mark Thompson Show.
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It was great.
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I loved it.
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01:08:51.489 --> 01:08:52.130
How would you handle this?
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01:08:52.529 --> 01:08:53.770
We could try ignoring it, sir.
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01:08:54.970 --> 01:08:55.350
Morning.
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01:08:56.609 --> 01:08:58.189
You cannot say you love your country.
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Where are my weed smokes?
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01:09:00.409 --> 01:09:02.060
At? Stay at home and get baked.
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01:09:02.949 --> 01:09:06.819
Thank you for being here, everybody. We are a live show, 2.30 Eastern.
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01:09:06.859 --> 01:09:12.039
We start Monday through Friday. We really appreciate all the support.
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01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:15.109
Please smash the like button in the YouTube universe if
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01:09:15.130 --> 01:09:16.989
that's where you're listening or watching.
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01:09:17.010 --> 01:09:18.050
Smash it with your iron rod.
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01:09:18.069 --> 01:09:20.949
Yeah, do it with your iron rod. And then you
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01:09:20.989 --> 01:09:24.109
can be part of the community that supports us on
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01:09:24.149 --> 01:09:27.640
Patreon and PayPal. There are links to both of those
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01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:32.399
communities underneath this video and all our videos. We try
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01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:35.439
to give you a range of stuff every day. And
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01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:39.619
part of that range is... a guy who we've become
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01:09:39.699 --> 01:09:43.229
such good friends with. He is so funny, and he's brilliant.
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01:09:43.350 --> 01:09:45.430
I mean, I just love his takes on so much,
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01:09:45.470 --> 01:09:47.970
and as usual, he brings sort of a comedic take
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to it, and his impressions of Trump, and he does
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01:09:51.689 --> 01:09:55.409
a musk, he does RFK Jr. They only add to
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01:09:55.750 --> 01:09:59.949
the magic of this stage performance that he does, and
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01:09:59.970 --> 01:10:02.890
he's got dates coming up as well. How about it? Yeah,
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smash the like button for people, and smash the like
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01:10:05.630 --> 01:10:09.760
button for JL Covan, everyone. Look at you.
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01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.460
By the way, great legal analysis from Mel Brooks. That
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was unbelievable. I had no idea. Comedic genius, legal scholar.
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I mean, that's, that is a package.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's, and it was, I never ever been
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anything like this. Never saw the familiarity. What do you
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call it? You know, I never saw that in him,
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but now that you said it, I won't be able
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to see anything else.
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Yes.
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And I, I just, I, I think we sanitized some
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of our legal precedent. It was actually the switch in
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time that's 69.
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Yeah.
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Right. Is that right? Yeah.
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But we've obviously, you know, we, we clean it up
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for the kids, but.
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Oh, you're right.
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Wow.
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Look at that. Oh my God.
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I'm very good at the doppelganger game.
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Oh my God. Albert, that is chilling. That is David Katz.
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Are you kidding me?
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Wow.
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And that guy looks just like Gene Wilder.
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That first shot is perfect. You don't have to go
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beyond the first shot. I love that.
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Let's be fair to our attorney friend. That is an
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aged version.
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David looks better. David is a swimmer. David swims like,
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I don't know, five miles a day or something like that.
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He's insanely... in good shape.
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I thought you said swinger. And when I realized you
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said swimmer, I immediately became less interested.
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Uh, Mel Brooks is a hundred years old. I didn't
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realize that somebody just pointed that out in the chat.
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Yeah.
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It's what, you know, they say laughter keeps you young.
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I'd like to counter that with being successful at comedy
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keeps you young. I'm actually older than Mel Brooks in
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health age because of how difficult comedy is. I, um, Yeah.
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I play cards with James L. Brooks, the producer of
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So Much. He's a legendary guy. And I'm always fighting.
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I've just broken my ankle. Oh, no. Yeah. So I
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can't put any weight on my foot. And I've got crutches.
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And I've got one of those knee scooters and all
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this stuff. So I mention it because James L. Brooks
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01:12:23.569 --> 01:12:25.619
seems to never have any problems. He's in his 80s.
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And he never has any issues at all. He and
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his wife are going on vacation in Hawaii. There's like
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no issues. I think you're right. Success is a great time.
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When you have that much money, you can hire people
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to lie on the ground in front of you, guaranteeing
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you don't have any spills.
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I love that. I love that. Oh, my God. All right. JL,
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you've got dates coming up. You've got... Don't tell Laura.
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You've got performances. What are you doing in these shows
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that are coming up?
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Um, it's, it's mostly, uh, it's stand up. I mean,
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I always throw the impressions in. I always feel like, um,
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people are worried. It's like, of course I'm going to
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do impressions mixed in with my set, but, um, I'm
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in Charlotte this weekend and that's just good. You know,
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like an hour headlining set. I sometimes give the crowd
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at the end, you know, a chance to ask questions
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of the impersonations, but I also, you know, after two
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decades in comedy, I have my material that I'm working
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on that I also want to put together. Um, so
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it's a Charlotte, then the comedy, uh, Mecca of Pittsfield, Massachusetts.
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I love Pittsfield. And let me tell you why, when
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I was a kid, my mom who is still going,
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I love my mother. She's 95. Wow.
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And now she's a successful comedian.
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She was a teacher for many, many years and brilliant
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kind of almost theatrical, uh, dynamic presentation. But anyway, I
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mentioned to Pittsfield because she took me for my birthday
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one year and we lived in Washington, D.C. So she
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had a drive. I don't even know how you get there.
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Maybe you flew to Boston. I can't remember. But to
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a ski area there in Pittsfield and we skied for
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my birthday. And I remember it was foggy and like
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freezing rain. You know, the East Coast doesn't get exactly
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the kind of snow you want to ski on. But
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it was in Pittsfield, Massachusetts.
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I actually don't know that, Mark, because I am a
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common man, but please continue.
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I just will always have a warm place in my
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heart for Pittsfield. And now that I know you're playing there,
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I don't know how you choose these locations, but that's
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a fine choice.
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You know, much like the Lord works through me, the
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gigs just, whoever answers my emails, I go, yes. It's
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a very complicated process for me to get gigs. I
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ask a thousand people and 15 say yes. And then
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I go to those places.
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But are we sure?
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The Pittsfield description though, it was sort of interesting. You know,
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one could look at that a different way. Like my
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mom for my birthday brought me to this place, not
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known for its skiing, but it was gray and foggy.
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And she left me up on a mountain by myself. Hey,
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wait a second, mom.
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We were so desperate. You're in Washington, D.C. There are
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no ski areas. I wonder how she came up with Pittsfield.
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I have no idea, but she did. Maybe it was money.
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But I love you going then to Philly. I think
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you're in Pittsfield, then you go to Philly.
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Yeah, the natural. I mean, that's just the natural stop
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on the tour. You go from Pittsfield to Philly, obviously.
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Right.
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And then I have a break, which is good because
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my day job is– Quickly, I would say slowly, but
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it's actually quickly taking my life from me in a
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good way.
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JL is a working lawyer. I mean, he's a Georgetown
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01:15:49.060 --> 01:15:51.060
graduated lawyer. I mean, it's pretty impressive.
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And I'm an eviction prevention lawyer. And I said to myself,
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01:15:54.899 --> 01:15:59.039
what growth industry can I get into? And I said, oh,
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eviction prevention, because that's just, it's bad now and it's
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only going to get worse. When you have clients who...
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who maybe not keep up on the news, but are
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aware that the big, beautiful bill is, you know, cutting
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food stamps and Medicaid. And there, you know, you know,
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when people are asking about whether they'll be able to
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pay for food, that their rent is not going to
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be getting paid. And it's just another, you know, just
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thing that people don't even kind of know or care
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about among the myriad of problems that Trump is presenting.
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01:16:31.069 --> 01:16:33.569
Really bums me out. It really bums me out. I mean,
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it's great. I mean, you need, you know, I'll use
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it the word you know heroic efforts on the part
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of you and your organization to try to to make
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it happen I mean to try to to try to
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protect these people who are uh you know uh stressed
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in ways that you know we can only imagine many
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of us it's.
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And cities like New York not to quickly like a
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like somebody with a split personality just pivot to totally
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serious but Like a city like New York, the thing
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I keep looking at, and that doesn't seem to get discussed.
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I know when people say the rent is too high,
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the people who voted for Mamdani, who I have no
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problem with, I think he's a charismatic politician who struck
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01:17:15.420 --> 01:17:19.289
on some serious issues that need addressing. But it's still
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the kind of middle and upper middle class folks, I think,
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who probably powered his victory because they're like, my market
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01:17:27.390 --> 01:17:32.220
rent apartment is too expensive. And my issue is how
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expensive dumps are in New York. Like I'm talking real
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garbage locations, bad neighborhood, bad plumbing, uh, rat infestation, you know, and,
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and it's, it's, it's, you're paying 3,300 for, you know,
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a one bedroom because the subsidies sort of, you know,
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make the landlord whole. The truth is if they were market-based,
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just like people will complain about, um, They'll complain about, oh,
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they have this image, you know, the what was it?
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The welfare queen. That's the like Reagan era fantasy of
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the one woman who scammed welfare into being wealthy. So therefore,
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01:18:11.430 --> 01:18:15.710
hundreds of thousands are equally culpable. Yeah, they said that.
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But it's much more attractive to people to think that
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it's a person scamming. But when I look at how
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much is charged for rent by landlords and you're like,
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01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:30.390
ask somebody in Manhattan if they would move Like if
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01:18:30.409 --> 01:18:32.069
you said, hey, I've got a one bedroom for a
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01:18:32.930 --> 01:18:35.359
thousand dollars less than you're paying right now.
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01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:35.899
Oh, great.
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01:18:35.939 --> 01:18:38.560
Let me see it. Then they would see it and go, no.
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01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:42.539
So the value isn't really just because you're six subway
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stops or 10 subway stops from Manhattan. Therefore, you are
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only 15 less valuable than a Manhattan rental. And yet
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nobody talks about that, that taxpayers subsidize those landlords as well. Yes,
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01:18:56.260 --> 01:18:59.579
we subsidize people in need, but those landlords, not all
1431
01:18:59.619 --> 01:19:01.680
of them, but the ones who just charge the max,
1432
01:19:01.739 --> 01:19:04.979
because why not? Capitalist society, if the government will pay,
1433
01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.819
I'll charge it. If you saw some of these places
1434
01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:10.920
and the conditions, you'd be like, sometimes you want to
1435
01:19:10.949 --> 01:19:13.039
say to clients, and I'm not even kidding, have you
1436
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:16.100
thought about moving to Cleveland or even Philly or Chicago?
1437
01:19:16.140 --> 01:19:18.819
Like a big city, it may not be New York
1438
01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:22.960
in terms of maybe the Spanish speaking culture and the amount,
1439
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.739
the volume of jobs, but you get to a point
1440
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:28.260
where you don't say it because you know you're speaking
1441
01:19:28.300 --> 01:19:30.560
from a sort of flexible privilege of like, if I
1442
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:35.319
wanted to leave somewhere, I'd go. But when you see
1443
01:19:35.340 --> 01:19:37.100
some of these places, you're just like, one way we
1444
01:19:37.149 --> 01:19:41.050
could save money or expand a program is to cap,
1445
01:19:41.729 --> 01:19:44.170
you know, or require some of these landlords to meet
1446
01:19:44.229 --> 01:19:48.510
certain thresholds before they can charge the maximum amount. I
1447
01:19:48.550 --> 01:19:50.590
know this is kind of a, but it's, it's, it
1448
01:19:50.630 --> 01:19:54.050
is a tidal wave. It's a tidal wave coming, or
1449
01:19:54.130 --> 01:19:55.810
we might already be in the midst of it. And
1450
01:19:56.369 --> 01:19:58.939
the voters who, the people who vote, who care about rent,
1451
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:01.920
I get it. They're struggling artists. There's working class people
1452
01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:05.789
trying to make ends meet, but they're, The vast majority,
1453
01:20:05.810 --> 01:20:08.989
I think, of the poor struggling in cities are not
1454
01:20:09.069 --> 01:20:12.670
really maybe part of the Mamdani voting coalition, even if
1455
01:20:12.750 --> 01:20:15.810
he is concerned with them from a policy standpoint.
1456
01:20:16.189 --> 01:20:18.760
Let me just make sure I understand something you just said.
1457
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:23.260
You're saying that many of the institutions that Mamdani talks
1458
01:20:23.300 --> 01:20:28.220
about and will even bolster and even buff up, they
1459
01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:32.960
actually subsidize, in a sense... the higher rents for those
1460
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:35.539
who are living in relative squalor. I don't, maybe squalor
1461
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:36.640
overstates it, but you know.
1462
01:20:36.859 --> 01:20:40.819
Not always. Well, I think I'll give you just an example.
1463
01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:43.189
Like let's say, okay, one bedroom apartment. I'm going to
1464
01:20:43.210 --> 01:20:46.770
make it like very even numbers. Like when I, the
1465
01:20:46.789 --> 01:20:48.550
last time I lived in the city, I lived in
1466
01:20:48.590 --> 01:20:51.569
a studio in a very nice doorman building, very close
1467
01:20:51.590 --> 01:20:56.250
to the subway in Midtown, East 50s. Elevator, very, just
1468
01:20:56.270 --> 01:20:59.050
very good. That apartment last year was going for $ 3, 100
1469
01:20:58.949 --> 01:21:02.430
a month. Now, there are people across the country who
1470
01:21:02.449 --> 01:21:04.590
would scoff at that. It's like you have an L-shaped
1471
01:21:04.670 --> 01:21:07.869
room with a bathroom and you're paying like my mortgage
1472
01:21:07.930 --> 01:21:12.430
payment for my house. But when I started training for
1473
01:21:12.449 --> 01:21:16.529
the job I have currently, I actually said to the supervisor,
1474
01:21:16.550 --> 01:21:18.890
I was like, these are hypothetical numbers, right? Like these
1475
01:21:18.970 --> 01:21:21.939
aren't the actual numbers they're allowed to charge, is it?
1476
01:21:22.449 --> 01:21:26.149
Because the max for like a Section 8 studio in
1477
01:21:26.229 --> 01:21:31.689
New York City was like $ 2, 600. That's the same year
1478
01:21:31.729 --> 01:21:36.250
that my doorman building studio near the subway in a
1479
01:21:36.689 --> 01:21:41.060
in-demand neighborhood is only $ 500 more. And when you see
1480
01:21:41.100 --> 01:21:43.020
some of the places that can charge this, you realize
1481
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:47.640
a Section 8 tenant might only be paying $ 400 or
1482
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:50.720
$ 600 towards their rent. That's the program. It's like 30%
1483
01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:54.010
of your monthly income, whatever that income is. But if
1484
01:21:54.069 --> 01:21:59.159
that rent was capped at like $ 1, 900, or 1800, you know,
1485
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:01.979
something a little more appropriate, because it's still New York,
1486
01:22:02.020 --> 01:22:05.159
there's still taxes, there's still things that have to be done,
1487
01:22:06.140 --> 01:22:10.220
then the taxpayer is either paying less, because you're not
1488
01:22:10.420 --> 01:22:14.340
maxing out the subsidy, or you can take that savings
1489
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:16.600
and spread it. And maybe because Mamdani had an issue
1490
01:22:16.619 --> 01:22:19.100
with a program called CityFeps, which is just a similar
1491
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:21.590
subsidy in New York City.
1492
01:22:22.390 --> 01:22:22.630
And he.
1493
01:22:24.130 --> 01:22:26.250
He couldn't expand it. It was kind of a campaign
1494
01:22:26.289 --> 01:22:27.930
promise to expand it. And I think he looked at
1495
01:22:27.949 --> 01:22:31.710
the raw numbers and was like that. I am, I
1496
01:22:31.729 --> 01:22:34.270
may be a democratic socialist, but I am not an idiot.
1497
01:22:34.869 --> 01:22:37.479
That would be too expensive. And I thought, but if
1498
01:22:37.539 --> 01:22:41.300
you lowered the cap, maybe, and I'm sure there would
1499
01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:44.079
be big fights and legislation needed, but maybe you can
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01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:50.199
distribute a 10% drop among seven to 10% more people.
1501
01:22:50.729 --> 01:22:50.930
Sure.
1502
01:22:51.250 --> 01:22:54.479
You know, so, And I don't mean to say every landlord.
1503
01:22:54.619 --> 01:22:56.279
There are plenty of nice landlords. There are plenty of
1504
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:58.680
nice landlords who don't go for the max. They just
1505
01:22:58.739 --> 01:23:00.579
try to get maximum occupancy.
1506
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:03.800
Well, it's also a livelihood for a lot of landlords.
1507
01:23:03.819 --> 01:23:08.170
Landlords are not all evil. I'm running out of time.
1508
01:23:08.210 --> 01:23:10.770
That's what I'm just glancing on. But here are JL's.
1509
01:23:10.829 --> 01:23:14.789
So if you like talk about the minutia of city housing.
1510
01:23:14.829 --> 01:23:16.770
Will you drill down on this stuff on stage? That
1511
01:23:16.789 --> 01:23:17.210
would be great.
1512
01:23:17.869 --> 01:23:22.109
Guys, can you bring up the PowerPoint, please? They're not laughing.
1513
01:23:22.149 --> 01:23:23.340
I might as well educate.
1514
01:23:24.859 --> 01:23:27.079
These are all the places that JL will be, every
1515
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.439
place from Philadelphia to Pittsfield, Massachusetts.
1516
01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:31.840
Oh, and I'm doing a show. Sorry, it's not on
1517
01:23:31.859 --> 01:23:36.229
the schedule yet, but January 20. Oh, that Flappers is wrong,
1518
01:23:36.270 --> 01:23:38.630
by the way. It's the 26th. The ticket link is right,
1519
01:23:38.850 --> 01:23:42.609
but it's the 26th. The 27th, I will be in Kingman, Arizona.
1520
01:23:43.130 --> 01:23:46.329
Paul Gosar's district doing a show as Trump.
1521
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:47.279
Oh, yeah.
1522
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.529
That could be the act for me. That could be
1523
01:23:50.569 --> 01:23:52.510
literally the day I get it. There's never been anything
1524
01:23:52.550 --> 01:23:52.970
like this.
1525
01:23:53.390 --> 01:23:57.649
You're doing a chunk on D.C., Washington, D.C. Maybe I'll
1526
01:23:57.670 --> 01:23:59.489
come back and see that. I think it's in January.
1527
01:24:00.670 --> 01:24:02.750
If you know any 95 year old moms who.
1528
01:24:02.649 --> 01:24:05.579
Like my mother, I'll drag my mom to your show
1529
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:08.779
in Washington, D.C. Look, I think you're doing a day
1530
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:13.020
of this show, hosting the show in October. Isn't that right?
1531
01:24:13.500 --> 01:24:14.119
That is right.
1532
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:15.840
I'm loving it. I can't wait.
1533
01:24:17.020 --> 01:24:20.100
I mean, I've said it before, but I'm going to
1534
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:20.960
Wally Pip you.
1535
01:24:23.300 --> 01:24:26.500
Wally Pip is the baseball player, right?
1536
01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:28.739
Who got injured one day, and then a guy named
1537
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:32.430
Lou Gehrig played first base and didn't leave for another 2,100
1538
01:24:32.430 --> 01:24:35.909
straight games.
1539
01:24:35.949 --> 01:24:38.449
JL Covan, there'll be a link to his website under
1540
01:24:38.569 --> 01:24:41.350
this video, so you can check out. uh, the dates
1541
01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:43.619
that work for you and the locations that work for you.
1542
01:24:43.779 --> 01:24:46.380
You're the best man. Love talking to you next time.
1543
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:46.739
Thank you.
1544
01:24:47.060 --> 01:24:51.859
More, more time next time. See you. JL Colvin. Good stuff. Yeah.
1545
01:24:52.340 --> 01:24:55.319
Love it. Love it. Love it. Wayne Buscelli next. The
1546
01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:56.479
Mark Thompson show.
1547
01:24:57.819 --> 01:25:00.260
Who's Mark Thompson?
1548
01:25:03.140 --> 01:25:07.970
You know, I really consider, um, the animal rights movement, um,
1549
01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:13.510
a critical part of any kind of a moral compass
1550
01:25:13.529 --> 01:25:16.970
that any of us have. And so I look to
1551
01:25:17.029 --> 01:25:20.270
people who are great voices for the voiceless, you know,
1552
01:25:20.390 --> 01:25:26.560
animals need a voice and they need agency. And this
1553
01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:28.479
guy to me is heroic. He's always been one of
1554
01:25:28.500 --> 01:25:34.220
the great spokespeople for movements involving animals. And he is
1555
01:25:34.260 --> 01:25:37.949
now the president and founder of animal wellness action. There's
1556
01:25:37.989 --> 01:25:42.369
a link under this video to learn more. And he's
1557
01:25:42.470 --> 01:25:45.579
also the founder and president of the Center for a
1558
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:50.640
Humane Economy, urging businesses to adopt animal-friendly practices when it
1559
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:54.680
comes to supply chains and research and development in their operations.
1560
01:25:55.739 --> 01:26:02.550
He's a brilliant animal welfare activist. Wayne Pacelli, everybody. Hello, sir.
1561
01:26:03.829 --> 01:26:08.470
I always love your introductions, Mark. Please go on. Please continue.
1562
01:26:08.529 --> 01:26:10.189
It's from the heart, man. It's from the heart.
1563
01:26:10.750 --> 01:26:11.489
Very generous.
1564
01:26:11.890 --> 01:26:15.170
So I want to get you on here right away.
1565
01:26:15.250 --> 01:26:16.829
And I said to you a while back, like, if
1566
01:26:16.850 --> 01:26:19.600
there's anything going on, if there's ever a campaign you're
1567
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:21.539
involved in, and maybe it's one that we're aware of,
1568
01:26:21.579 --> 01:26:23.199
maybe it's one that we're not. I mean, you're involved
1569
01:26:23.220 --> 01:26:24.510
in a lot of stuff that we're not aware of.
1570
01:26:25.140 --> 01:26:27.279
Please come on and let us know. And so that
1571
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:28.609
day has come. Fill us in.
1572
01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:33.279
Well, listen, thank you so much for allowing me to
1573
01:26:33.739 --> 01:26:37.140
visit with you and your listeners. I just arrived in
1574
01:26:37.180 --> 01:26:40.930
Los Angeles. I'm here for a couple of purposes. One is,
1575
01:26:40.939 --> 01:26:44.789
and Mark, some of these things are very obscure, right?
1576
01:26:44.930 --> 01:26:47.510
Most people have no idea. A lot of people had
1577
01:26:47.550 --> 01:26:49.670
no idea that dogfighting was a big thing until the
1578
01:26:49.710 --> 01:26:52.930
Michael Vick case. That was a morally settled issue. Who
1579
01:26:52.970 --> 01:26:57.130
could possibly be doing that? The other evil twin of
1580
01:26:57.189 --> 01:27:03.270
dogfighting is cockfighting. And we discovered that Korean Air, based
1581
01:27:03.310 --> 01:27:06.840
in Seoul, South Korea, but having flights originating in the U.S.,
1582
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:11.420
is by far the largest shipper of fighting birds. And
1583
01:27:11.819 --> 01:27:15.739
the United States, shockingly, is the breeding ground for cockfighting
1584
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:19.449
for the world. So we're shipping 40,000 fighting birds a
1585
01:27:19.470 --> 01:27:22.090
year just to the Philippines. And there are about 30
1586
01:27:22.090 --> 01:27:25.350
countries that are getting these birds. These are birds that
1587
01:27:25.390 --> 01:27:29.359
are specially bred animals. They're particular breeds, just like you
1588
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:31.560
have different breeds of dogs, you have different breeds of chicken.
1589
01:27:32.109 --> 01:27:36.390
These are called kelsos and hatches and sweaters. They're beautiful animals.
1590
01:27:37.210 --> 01:27:40.670
They're trained to kill other birds and they're aided by
1591
01:27:40.750 --> 01:27:43.949
having knives or curved ice picks attached to their legs.
1592
01:27:44.369 --> 01:27:48.260
Then people gamble on this spectacle of cruelty and they
1593
01:27:48.579 --> 01:27:52.100
revel in the bloodletting that occurs. And at a cock-cutting derby,
1594
01:27:52.140 --> 01:27:55.260
they might go through hundreds of birds at a single evening.
1595
01:27:55.869 --> 01:28:00.569
And these people are enjoying seeing animals die in front
1596
01:28:00.590 --> 01:28:02.949
of them and they're laughing. And there's a lot of
1597
01:28:03.029 --> 01:28:07.609
sociological evidence to indicate that when people become dulled to
1598
01:28:07.689 --> 01:28:12.619
the suffering, especially the intentional inflicted suffering that humans deliver
1599
01:28:12.659 --> 01:28:18.340
to animals, they just dull themselves more broadly. And there's
1600
01:28:18.380 --> 01:28:21.880
a correlation between cruelty to animals and violence toward people.
1601
01:28:22.619 --> 01:28:28.600
Just about half of all the school shooters went on to,
1602
01:28:28.739 --> 01:28:30.560
they started with animals and they went on to kill
1603
01:28:30.579 --> 01:28:33.529
their classmates and their teachers and other people in schools.
1604
01:28:34.189 --> 01:28:37.250
So on the Korean Air issue, we got Korean Air
1605
01:28:37.369 --> 01:28:40.939
once we presented evidence to the company to stop shipping
1606
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:44.899
the Philippines. And it was a tough negotiation, but they agreed.
1607
01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:48.100
Then we said, well, what about the other two dozen countries?
1608
01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:52.180
The United States law that I worked on to formulate
1609
01:28:52.420 --> 01:28:56.869
with obviously the lawmakers agreeing to move in this direction,
1610
01:28:58.390 --> 01:29:03.590
forbid any interstate or foreign commerce in fighting animals. So
1611
01:29:03.949 --> 01:29:07.130
it's just as illegal to ship them from Texas to
1612
01:29:07.670 --> 01:29:10.300
the Philippines as it would be from Texas to Vietnam
1613
01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:15.300
or to Malaysia or India or Ecuador or Mexico. So
1614
01:29:15.500 --> 01:29:18.800
we're asking Korean Air and all the other major commercial
1615
01:29:18.899 --> 01:29:22.960
airlines to stop acting as the getaway cars for the
1616
01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:24.119
cockfighting industry.
1617
01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:25.319
It's the law.
1618
01:29:25.699 --> 01:29:28.189
All we're doing is asking them to adhere to the law.
1619
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.899
And this is one reason why I'm here, but I
1620
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:33.439
want to maybe pause.
1621
01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:35.819
Yeah, let me just ask you a quick follow-up. So
1622
01:29:36.350 --> 01:29:40.470
what has been the engagement that you've experienced so far?
1623
01:29:40.489 --> 01:29:43.250
I mean, are they open to this, or have you
1624
01:29:43.289 --> 01:29:46.220
been sort of shined on? What is the disposition toward
1625
01:29:46.229 --> 01:29:46.689
this issue?
1626
01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:47.520
Well.
1627
01:29:47.949 --> 01:29:51.770
They took the matter seriously with their legal counsel in D.C.,
1628
01:29:51.869 --> 01:29:55.930
and he certainly expressed sympathy for our position. But then again,
1629
01:29:56.170 --> 01:29:58.869
it's not really a profile encouraged to be against staged
1630
01:29:58.989 --> 01:30:02.229
animal fighting. I mean, that's a consensus position. It's the
1631
01:30:02.270 --> 01:30:06.640
most severely and widely criminalized form of animal abuse that exists.
1632
01:30:06.689 --> 01:30:08.840
It's outlawed in all 50 states. There's a federal law
1633
01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:13.619
against it. So I said thank you to them and
1634
01:30:13.699 --> 01:30:16.279
lauded them for the Philippines policy and said, OK, well,
1635
01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:20.239
we're worried that if They close off the Philippines. They're
1636
01:30:20.260 --> 01:30:21.880
just going to fly to Vietnam and then get another
1637
01:30:21.930 --> 01:30:23.529
carrier to go to the Philippines, or they're going to
1638
01:30:23.550 --> 01:30:25.789
go to the fighting pits in Vietnam or the fighting
1639
01:30:25.810 --> 01:30:29.270
pits in other countries. Sadly, this is a global practice
1640
01:30:29.670 --> 01:30:33.869
with many adherents. The cockfighters claim that it's nearly as
1641
01:30:33.909 --> 01:30:37.130
popular in the world as soccer. I don't believe that's true,
1642
01:30:37.220 --> 01:30:40.939
but they think in their fraternity that somehow it is
1643
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:45.460
a widespread activity. It's certainly widespread enough to catch our attention,
1644
01:30:45.939 --> 01:30:48.239
and to cause us to have a campaign called Animal
1645
01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:51.800
Fighting is the Pits to eliminate it all. So they
1646
01:30:51.859 --> 01:30:54.939
basically said, no, you're taking a second bite at the apple.
1647
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:56.760
I said, no, I told you right from the start
1648
01:30:56.779 --> 01:31:01.029
that it was 30 countries. So I'm here now because BTS,
1649
01:31:01.569 --> 01:31:05.050
the South Korean band that is one of the great
1650
01:31:05.569 --> 01:31:11.720
phenomenons in modern music, is here. And ARMY is which
1651
01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.779
are the followers, have done really important and good things.
1652
01:31:15.220 --> 01:31:18.680
And we're reaching out to Army to get them involved
1653
01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:20.520
to try to influence Korean Air right now.
1654
01:31:21.189 --> 01:31:24.050
That's terrific. It's terrific. I mean, and sadly, that's kind
1655
01:31:24.069 --> 01:31:25.210
of what you have to do is you have to,
1656
01:31:25.250 --> 01:31:28.189
I guess, you know, marshal the assistance of some high-profile
1657
01:31:28.270 --> 01:31:30.609
players and all of this. And it may not be
1658
01:31:30.649 --> 01:31:32.710
as popular as soccer, but, you know, there's clearly a
1659
01:31:32.729 --> 01:31:34.109
lot of money in it. And when there's a lot
1660
01:31:34.149 --> 01:31:36.189
of money in something, it gets to be, you know, again,
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01:31:36.210 --> 01:31:39.600
that dogfighting thing. Who would know that this is a,
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01:31:40.170 --> 01:31:43.529
a big money world subculture that it was or still
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01:31:43.550 --> 01:31:44.010
may be.
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01:31:44.449 --> 01:31:45.010
Exactly.
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01:31:45.029 --> 01:31:47.350
And the United States ships a lot of fighting dogs
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01:31:47.470 --> 01:31:50.590
all over the world as well, which is illegal. But
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01:31:50.630 --> 01:31:54.560
with the birds, you're talking tens of thousands moving just
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01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:58.000
to a single country, about $ 2, 000 a bird. So just
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01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:01.439
the Philippines, it's $ 80 million in illegal commerce.
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01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:02.260
There it is.
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01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:04.760
It's all off the books. It's all criminal. And they're
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01:32:04.779 --> 01:32:06.899
putting the birds in the cargo hold so the passengers
1673
01:32:06.939 --> 01:32:09.810
have no idea. And what's happening in the cargo holds
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01:32:09.850 --> 01:32:13.270
with animal transport is kind of a hidden and really
1675
01:32:13.350 --> 01:32:17.670
unpleasant story. I mean, we're taking in 30,000 primates into
1676
01:32:17.710 --> 01:32:20.970
the United States, many of them endangered primates captured in
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01:32:20.989 --> 01:32:24.430
Mauritius or Cambodia and shipped to the United States for
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01:32:24.529 --> 01:32:27.680
laboratory animal use. So this is kind of a larger
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01:32:28.060 --> 01:32:32.460
issue of the trade in animals for commercial use, many
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01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.199
of them wild animals. In this case, it's a domesticated animal,
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01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:38.680
but we're trying to stop it. I'm also out here, Mark,
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01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:44.460
because the United States, specifically the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service,
1683
01:32:44.979 --> 01:32:52.210
is executing a mass killing of North American owls. There
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01:32:52.310 --> 01:32:55.710
are 19 species of owls. Many people are familiar with
1685
01:32:55.729 --> 01:32:58.590
the great horned owl, and then there's the barn owl,
1686
01:32:58.649 --> 01:33:00.350
and there's a lot of other species of owls. So
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01:33:00.390 --> 01:33:04.159
this one we're talking about is the barred owl, B-A-R-R-E-D,
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01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:07.140
a beautiful owl you can See the picture of people
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01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:12.720
watching a screen here. It's a modeled sort of exterior,
1690
01:33:13.220 --> 01:33:15.300
brown and white. These are just gorgeous animals.
1691
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:16.819
They're really beautiful animals, yeah.
1692
01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:20.220
And owls in general are just, you know, they're mystical creatures.
1693
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:21.119
Exactly, yeah.
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01:33:21.340 --> 01:33:25.079
And remarkable creatures. They've been protected, all of them, since.
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01:33:24.859 --> 01:33:29.100
1918 when the United States passed the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
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01:33:29.140 --> 01:33:32.390
So there are more than 1,000 birds protected. You're not
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01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:35.619
allowed to kill them, harass them, harm them. And that
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01:33:35.659 --> 01:33:39.180
includes every single owl. So what's happened is these barn owls,
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01:33:39.220 --> 01:33:41.600
which for thousands of years lived from Maine out to
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01:33:41.619 --> 01:33:44.100
the Dakotas, over the last couple of hundred years, they've
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01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:47.109
gone all the way west to California, Oregon, and Washington.
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01:33:47.590 --> 01:33:50.369
And they're competing with a different owl, the northern spotted owl,
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01:33:50.909 --> 01:33:54.649
whose lives we have impacted in terrible ways by taking
1704
01:33:54.710 --> 01:33:57.430
down their old trees that they live in, the old
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01:33:57.510 --> 01:34:01.930
growth forests that are very specialized for that breed of
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01:34:02.090 --> 01:34:05.430
owl or that species of owl. So The United States
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01:34:05.470 --> 01:34:07.810
Fish and Wildlife Service, rather than protecting the habitats of
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01:34:07.829 --> 01:34:10.109
the spotted owl, says, oh, we're going to kill the
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01:34:10.149 --> 01:34:13.800
barred owl because the timber industry came up with this
1710
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:17.539
scheme to deflect from its habitat destruction. And now they're
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01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:20.460
trying to blame the barred owl. They're going to spend $ 1. 35
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01:34:19.699 --> 01:34:21.819
billion of our tax monies to kill 450,000 barred owls,
1713
01:34:21.859 --> 01:34:24.199
about 20,000 a year for the next 30 years, roughly
1714
01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:25.260
15 to 20,000 a year. It's not going to do
1715
01:34:25.350 --> 01:34:26.510
any good because surviving.
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01:34:33.949 --> 01:34:34.149
Barred.
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01:34:34.170 --> 01:34:35.810
I was just going to replace them. They're going to
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01:34:35.850 --> 01:34:40.189
colonize these areas that have been cleansed of their conspecifics.
1719
01:34:41.029 --> 01:34:44.220
And all it is is a distraction. And it's happening
1720
01:34:44.229 --> 01:34:48.720
at the same time that the Interior Department, this Interior Department,
1721
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:52.220
has just passed a rulemaking to narrow the definition of
1722
01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:55.460
harm in the Endangered Species Act. So the Endangered Species
1723
01:34:55.539 --> 01:34:59.090
Act protects wild animals that are very scarce. And one
1724
01:34:59.149 --> 01:35:01.550
way that it does it is by forbidding someone from
1725
01:35:01.630 --> 01:35:05.399
shooting or trapping or poisoning a wolf or a grizzly
1726
01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:09.260
bear or historically a bald eagle. But one of the
1727
01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:12.539
critical elements of the Endangered Species Act is to protect
1728
01:35:12.579 --> 01:35:16.340
the places that the animals live, their habitats. So the
1729
01:35:16.380 --> 01:35:19.819
spotted owl depends on old growth forests. So they want
1730
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:23.439
to eliminate habitat protections, which is 95% of the Endangered
1731
01:35:23.460 --> 01:35:27.039
Species Act. So the same agency that's proposing to kill
1732
01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:31.100
the barred owls, pretending to care about the spotted owls,
1733
01:35:31.930 --> 01:35:34.909
has done this new rule to change the Endangered Species Act,
1734
01:35:35.310 --> 01:35:37.850
aiming it right at the spotted owl to kill them
1735
01:35:38.289 --> 01:35:42.119
by cutting down the trees that they require for life.
1736
01:35:42.739 --> 01:35:45.439
So the whole thing is a pretense. It's a scam.
1737
01:35:45.579 --> 01:35:47.840
It's a bait and switch. And we're calling it out.
1738
01:35:47.859 --> 01:35:52.399
We've got about 19 billboards in California, Oregon, and Washington
1739
01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.380
on major thoroughfares to educate millions and millions of people
1740
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:58.449
about it. And we're calling on Congress. They just passed
1741
01:35:58.449 --> 01:36:03.260
$ 40 trillion. I'm sure you spoke about this. $ 40 trillion deficit.
1742
01:36:03.819 --> 01:36:06.520
And we are saying, this is the way you get
1743
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:08.439
a deficit is by spending a billion here and a
1744
01:36:08.460 --> 01:36:11.479
billion there, especially on stupid projects like this one.
1745
01:36:11.899 --> 01:36:12.300
Hear, hear.
1746
01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:18.479
So, and again, it's, Albert, put it up there. It's whodontshoot.org.
1747
01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:19.579
Exactly.
1748
01:36:19.619 --> 01:36:20.680
That's our website.
1749
01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:20.960
Yes.
1750
01:36:21.460 --> 01:36:24.560
And there it is, whodontshoot.org. If those listening, you can
1751
01:36:24.579 --> 01:36:29.909
go to the website and find out more. 450,000 owls
1752
01:36:29.949 --> 01:36:33.859
to be shot. And it's $ 1. 35 billion of our money
1753
01:36:33.899 --> 01:36:35.319
that's going to that. And when you talk about the
1754
01:36:35.380 --> 01:36:39.199
Western states, California, Washington, et cetera, I always think of
1755
01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:43.340
them as states that are underpinned by some kind of
1756
01:36:44.180 --> 01:36:49.359
conservation awareness or some sense of morality about the environment.
1757
01:36:49.390 --> 01:36:51.569
I mean, I know that that's kind of an idyllic
1758
01:36:51.609 --> 01:36:54.649
vision of it, but nonetheless, have you found them more
1759
01:36:54.930 --> 01:36:58.350
open to these arguments? Or again, what kind of engagement
1760
01:36:58.369 --> 01:36:59.109
have you gotten with them?
1761
01:36:59.729 --> 01:37:03.890
This is government, federal government run amok. So regular people
1762
01:37:03.970 --> 01:37:07.460
think it's absurd. whether it's in California or in Oklahoma
1763
01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:11.039
or in Michigan. This is ridiculous. People don't want to
1764
01:37:11.100 --> 01:37:14.859
shoot owls. So I think it's a 90 percenter mark
1765
01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:18.880
wherever you turn in the United States. So, yes, I mean,
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01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:23.199
we will be activating more California leaders. Certainly want to
1767
01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:27.180
have the governors of all these states, Newsom and Kotick
1768
01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:32.039
and then the Washington governor speak up about it. You know,
1769
01:37:32.119 --> 01:37:34.560
many of the state fish and wildlife agencies, though, are
1770
01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:37.310
in cahoots with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. They
1771
01:37:37.350 --> 01:37:40.689
have a very resourcist view of animals. They have a
1772
01:37:40.750 --> 01:37:43.489
view of, you know, let's have lots of trophy hunting.
1773
01:37:43.550 --> 01:37:46.529
Let's have, you know, chase the bears with dogs and
1774
01:37:46.569 --> 01:37:49.180
let's have steel jaw like hole traps. So they don't
1775
01:37:49.270 --> 01:37:52.899
come at this question with a great moral foundation when
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01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:55.840
it comes to the treatment of individual animals. They think
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01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:59.119
of animals as populations and their goal is, many of
1778
01:37:59.180 --> 01:38:02.159
them will state, is not to to cause the species
1779
01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:04.930
to go extinct. But if you can exploit them, if
1780
01:38:04.939 --> 01:38:08.109
they're abundant, then that's fine. So we have a general
1781
01:38:08.189 --> 01:38:11.069
problem with the state fish and wildlife agencies, although I'll
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01:38:11.090 --> 01:38:14.050
tell you, California has certainly been the best, and California's
1783
01:38:14.090 --> 01:38:16.550
policies on wildlife protection are number one in the country,
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01:38:16.590 --> 01:38:17.409
without any question.
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01:38:17.850 --> 01:38:20.890
Yeah, yeah. I'm out of time, but I don't know
1786
01:38:20.909 --> 01:38:22.250
if you could see, there are a lot of people
1787
01:38:22.289 --> 01:38:24.729
who show a lot of love for you and this
1788
01:38:24.850 --> 01:38:28.670
effort and want to help you. In fact, one was saying,
1789
01:38:28.710 --> 01:38:31.119
I can do videos for you, I'll contact you separately.
1790
01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:34.260
Somebody else was saying you should come on more often.
1791
01:38:34.340 --> 01:38:41.300
So you've got already your fans are growing. And it
1792
01:38:41.340 --> 01:38:43.880
is true. It shocks you to the core when you
1793
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:46.079
hear these stories. And that's why I talk about you
1794
01:38:46.100 --> 01:38:48.420
the way I do, because I think you bring these
1795
01:38:48.500 --> 01:38:52.119
stories to a certain clarity and you communicate them well.
1796
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.239
And so again, I'll compliment you on the way out
1797
01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:56.159
the way I did on the way in. Wayne Pacelli,
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01:38:56.840 --> 01:39:01.289
I'll have a link to your website. And again, it's whodontshoot.org
1799
01:39:01.369 --> 01:39:04.829
for the owl controversy. And for so much of the
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01:39:04.869 --> 01:39:08.350
work you do, I encourage many to to click and
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01:39:08.529 --> 01:39:11.569
join and support the work of Wayne Pacelli for animal
1802
01:39:11.630 --> 01:39:16.380
rights and animal welfare and just a reasonableness about these issues.
1803
01:39:16.439 --> 01:39:17.399
So thanks again, Wayne.
1804
01:39:17.779 --> 01:39:19.640
Well, you're so good, Mark. Thank you so much.
1805
01:39:20.220 --> 01:39:22.140
Wayne Pacelli, everybody. Come back again soon, my friend.
1806
01:39:22.539 --> 01:39:23.520
Thank you, sir. All right.
1807
01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:28.619
We'll see you. Thank you. Right on. The Mark Thompson Show.
1808
01:39:31.310 --> 01:39:34.930
He's the real thing. Yeah, wonderful guest. Great call for action. Yeah,
1809
01:39:35.029 --> 01:39:39.109
says Mike in Willow Glen. Again, good morning and thumbs up,
1810
01:39:39.170 --> 01:39:42.119
says Lucy McAllister. Big shout out to you.
1811
01:39:42.140 --> 01:39:42.939
Big shout out. Yeah.
1812
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:47.340
My favorite McAllister on the scene. Appreciate you. Could we
1813
01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:49.619
have an office pool about when the baby comes? Oh,
1814
01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:52.939
that's a good idea. Albert's expecting a baby.
1815
01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:57.510
I like the idea of hosting it and collecting funds
1816
01:39:57.569 --> 01:39:58.739
for it, but, you know, it just....
1817
01:40:01.609 --> 01:40:04.369
You like collecting money for your coming child? You like
1818
01:40:04.390 --> 01:40:09.920
that idea? Baby Macklin. Again, if you just joined us,
1819
01:40:10.180 --> 01:40:12.479
Albert's having a baby in December, and the name has
1820
01:40:12.500 --> 01:40:14.680
been announced here on the show today, Macklin.
1821
01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:18.949
I'm an enormous Sharks fan. Sharks became in existence in 1991,
1822
01:40:18.939 --> 01:40:22.550
just like me. So me and the Sharks, same years.
1823
01:40:22.689 --> 01:40:25.970
Great guest. Thank you for the information. I'll join your
1824
01:40:26.090 --> 01:40:30.369
organization for sure, says Susan Roberts. Yeah, I'm telling you,
1825
01:40:30.430 --> 01:40:34.569
you can... Really educate yourself in stuff that you, I think,
1826
01:40:34.609 --> 01:40:36.569
would be proud to be part of if you're part
1827
01:40:36.590 --> 01:40:40.750
of the fight to give animals just some decency in
1828
01:40:40.789 --> 01:40:47.279
this horrifying world that they oftentimes find themselves in. Why
1829
01:40:47.340 --> 01:40:49.760
talk about the war when it's already over, says Luis.
1830
01:40:49.819 --> 01:40:52.649
This is in relation to the Iran war. And there
1831
01:40:52.670 --> 01:40:55.069
are important things to be decided, like what color are
1832
01:40:55.090 --> 01:41:01.649
the curtains in the ballroom. Dementia president. Yeah, thank you, Luis.
1833
01:41:01.729 --> 01:41:03.810
Big shout out to you for always. Big shout out.
1834
01:41:04.329 --> 01:41:07.470
I love Mark's ironic humor and, of course, his voice,
1835
01:41:07.529 --> 01:41:11.029
says Diane. Well, thank you. I don't know about my
1836
01:41:11.109 --> 01:41:14.380
ironic humor, but thank you very much. I love your love.
1837
01:41:14.420 --> 01:41:16.659
I take your love, I add to it, and I
1838
01:41:16.720 --> 01:41:18.399
throw it back your way with additional love.
1839
01:41:19.149 --> 01:41:20.460
Ah, Coachella Valley coffee.
1840
01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:23.479
If we seize Greenland from Denmark, why wouldn't we seize
1841
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:24.130
their gold too?
1842
01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:25.079
Yeah.
1843
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:27.619
Well, John Watson, you kind of make a point. And
1844
01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:31.300
this is what I was saying about Holland taking, as
1845
01:41:31.340 --> 01:41:33.149
you know, this is an article that ran in the
1846
01:41:33.189 --> 01:41:36.789
Financial Times. I shared it in the first hour. And
1847
01:41:36.829 --> 01:41:40.050
that is that Holland is taking its gold out of
1848
01:41:40.090 --> 01:41:42.529
the U.S. And the reason they're doing it, it's the
1849
01:41:42.569 --> 01:41:46.189
expressed reason, is because they feel as though the U.S.
1850
01:41:46.229 --> 01:41:48.729
government is not one they can count on anymore to
1851
01:41:49.500 --> 01:41:55.579
It's the instability of decision making is such that it's
1852
01:41:55.659 --> 01:41:59.909
creating an environment in which they can't be sure that
1853
01:41:59.949 --> 01:42:02.329
their gold will be secure here. And let me just
1854
01:42:02.369 --> 01:42:05.409
do the translation on that for those who are perhaps
1855
01:42:05.670 --> 01:42:10.789
tuning in late. They worry, as do many other countries
1856
01:42:10.909 --> 01:42:13.810
who have assets of one sort or another in this country,
1857
01:42:14.250 --> 01:42:18.310
that Trump and his administration could get angry for any
1858
01:42:18.390 --> 01:42:19.930
number of reasons, the way they have in Canada, the
1859
01:42:19.949 --> 01:42:22.060
way they have in Mexico. Again, there's a kind of
1860
01:42:22.100 --> 01:42:25.180
an arbitrary nature to all of this, that this impulsive
1861
01:42:25.220 --> 01:42:28.979
mercurial president could get angry, and before you know it,
1862
01:42:29.180 --> 01:42:34.180
seize the assets of a place like Holland. And so
1863
01:42:34.220 --> 01:42:38.680
the gold that resides in this country would be seized
1864
01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:42.359
by the Americans. And for that reason, I mean, this
1865
01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:45.359
is the expressed reason here, I mean, you don't have
1866
01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:48.239
to really even read between the lines. They want their
1867
01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:51.359
gold out of this country. We're in trouble, y'all, says
1868
01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:55.869
Crystal Carter. Big shout-out. Big shout-out to you, Crystal. Thank you.
1869
01:42:56.229 --> 01:42:59.489
Thank you for that. Thank you, team and the community.
1870
01:42:59.529 --> 01:43:01.109
Chris Wilson, yeah, thank you guys.
1871
01:43:01.130 --> 01:43:01.550
Big shout-out.
1872
01:43:01.609 --> 01:43:06.029
Thank you, Chris Wilson, for $ 5 super chat. Yeah, really
1873
01:43:07.829 --> 01:43:14.340
do appreciate you. Tomorrow on the show, I have... A
1874
01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:18.520
shocking revelation from Timothy Snyder that I'll share with you.
1875
01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:22.229
He's been on the show before. He, the author of
1876
01:43:22.250 --> 01:43:26.989
On Tyranny and also a book called On Freedom. I'll
1877
01:43:27.010 --> 01:43:33.970
also have a shocking declaration to the European Union in
1878
01:43:34.010 --> 01:43:40.640
relation to the climate crisis. Liz Oyer tomorrow as well.
1879
01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:47.210
And Trump on the fat drug. He goes after his
1880
01:43:47.329 --> 01:43:52.010
friend who is on the fat drug, and you won't
1881
01:43:52.050 --> 01:43:55.050
want to miss it. Can't believe what he said about
1882
01:43:55.329 --> 01:43:58.829
his friend who's on, is it Ozempic? Yeah. It's one
1883
01:43:58.850 --> 01:44:04.289
of them, I think, yeah. Independent says, I'm a member
1884
01:44:04.510 --> 01:44:05.640
of Sierra Club, too.
1885
01:44:06.789 --> 01:44:09.560
We have some more super chats and super stickers to
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01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:10.279
get through here.
1887
01:44:10.340 --> 01:44:13.460
Well, we do. I know. Albert. Your comments. I don't
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01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:15.199
know why you didn't mention that, Albert. I mean, you're
1889
01:44:15.220 --> 01:44:19.119
so distracted. Whoever is producing this thing has no idea
1890
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what we're doing. Why are you not mentioning these things
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that I need to do?
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Do we still have the buzzer? Because I'm going to
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use it on you.
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Well, thank you, team and community was up a little
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bit long. How long are you going to keep that
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up there? You didn't say it.
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I'll take it down when I hear you say it.
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I said it. I said it. I read it and
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I even gave you a shout out. Then I blame me.
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I am.
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I stand corrected.
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Okay.
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I would like a simple. My apologies.
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Maybe I'll buzz myself.
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Yeah.
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I misspoke.
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Okay. All right. Richard Delamater with the $ 2 Super Chat. Albert,
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is your partner a fugitive? Show us a pic. No,
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we're not doing that. We're not doing that, Richard. We
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don't like to subject others to the. You're giving me
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the creeps.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Be Bo3670. It rolls off the tongue. Bo3670, what up
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with you? Mark, I've been nudging you to get John
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Iadarola from TYT on. Want you to know today he
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said to Jasmine Kahn, hey, I want to go on
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the Mark Thompson show. Suggest you strike while the iron
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is hot. Wow, Bo, good knowledge. Big shout out. Thank
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you for that. I'd love to get Johnny on. You know,
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I told you I love John. Known him for years.
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Done shows with him at TYT. And it would be
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a total kick to have John on. So my problem
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with John is that our schedule and his schedule, I think,
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conflict with each other a little bit. But we will
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solve that problem. And Bo3670, thank you because you– will
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you remind me on that, Kim? Yeah. Johnny I.
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Johnny I.
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Johnny I.
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He's great. I'll make a note of it. I'll get
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him on. Just bought Dictator for a Day, the J.L.
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Kovam movie. Yeah, all right. Scott Rittenberg. You are the coolest,
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Scott Rittenberg. Big shout out. Again, I love seeing Scott
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Rittenberg on Judge Judy. I don't know if you saw it.
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It's on our Facebook page, or I think it's on the...
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Fan discussion page on Facebook. Make sure to smash the
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like button and make sure you are subscribed, friends, says
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Valiant Val. Valiant, thank you for being out in front
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and supporting us that way. It does matter. Thank you.
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We've covered a lot of stuff today, I think. Covered
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the Iran war. Covered some of that money stuff that
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I mentioned to you. Covered the legal situation with David Katz.
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The expansion of the Supreme Court, the reality is there.
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The blown opportunity on the part of Joe Biden to
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expand the court. The situation with animals and this effort.
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Some changes in the way animals are treated. And, of course, J.L. Covan,
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the magic, came through as well. We had cuts from
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Scott Bessent and all the rest of the Trump. And,
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of course, we have the breaking news that Maria Bartiromo
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is no longer at Fox.
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What?
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Sayonara, sucker! Yeah, sayonara. On the way out, I am
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going to have a sip of coffee, the best coffee
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on earth.
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Mmm.
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Ah.
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I will tell you that that coffee is from Coachella
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Valley Coffee. I have been drinking this coffee since... before,
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a couple of years before they came on the show.
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And then when to have them on the show, I'm
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super excited. I drink coffee, as you might imagine. And Albert,
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when your son is old enough, I'd be happy to
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take your son with me to the finest establishments across
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the globe. I've had coffee and espresso in the cafeterias
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of Latin America. I've had Coffee, as you might imagine,
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the French press, they are in France on the Champs-Élysées.
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And I have had any manner of lattes, let me finish,
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in the verandas of Monte Carlo. So I take... I know,
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thank you. It needs work. I'm workshopping it. But the
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point is, I know coffee, my friends, and this is terrific.
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Coachella Valley Coffee is the place you can find hand-roasted
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beans and curations of coffee. Coffee, tea, and spices that
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you will find no other place. It's a boutique roastery, okay?
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So this isn't a discount house. All organic and ethically
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sourced from women-owned farms. Try it. I think you'll really
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be blown away. And you also will kind of get
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the passion and care that they put into all of
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these coffees, beans, teas, and spices. El Gato Espresso, the
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Sunrise Blend, the Ocotillo Espresso, all of it's great. Use
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our discount code when you check out. It's MARKT. You'll
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get 10% off. CoachellaValleyCoffee.com. When you check out, use our
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discount code MARKTEA. Again, the teas are insane. They have
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loose leaf teas. They have bagged tea. Yeah, it's really
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something special. Go there and check it out. CoachellaValleyCoffee.com. Put
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that coffee down. Something special. MARKTEA at checkout for 10% off.
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The Mark Thompson Show. Well, what else do I have
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to do? That's it. Smash it. We did the volume bell.
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Subscribe it. Yeah, love it. That's it.
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Off we go into the wild blue yonder.
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All right.
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Kim has her show to do. She wants to go home.
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Guess what?
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I got some exciting news during the show.
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Let me guess, you're going to be in the Hall
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of Fame of something that I'm going to have to
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help you get, or what?
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My daughter was accepted into the San Francisco Symphony Youth Orchestra.
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Wow, that is great. That actually is good news. I
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didn't even have to help her get that. That was
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really great. I love it. You're setting it up so
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that Mom needs Mark Thompson, but the next generation of
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McAllister's doesn't need Mark Thompson. And I love that. I
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love that.
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We're not going to be Thompson dependent.
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Which one of you is Mark Thompson?
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This is really, really cool. I'm very happy for her.
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She's really your family. I, my view, and I guess
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I don't know them well, but they seem super gifted
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and super, um, uh, able to do things in the
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world of music.
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Oh, girl, baby girl, don't even play.
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Tomorrow, it's our big Friday show.
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Woo-hoo!
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Bye-bye. Thanks, everybody. Congratulations to Albert and Macklin. Until tomorrow, bye-bye.
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Bye.
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Thank you.