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Welcome to the Sustaining Creativity Podcast.
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I'm your host, Mari Reisberg.
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Over the past several years, I've combined my degrees in acting and somatic psychology to share my sustaining creativity techniques with performers.
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And now I've decided to share with a bigger audience that includes you.
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I believe we are all creative, and this podcast is all about that.
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I'll be interviewing people from all backgrounds, ages, and creativity experiences to share just how creative we all are.
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Today I'll be chatting with John Francois, host of the Delicious Culture Podcast.
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Please enjoy John Francois.
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Welcome to the Sustaining Creativity Podcast.
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Today I'm chatting with John Francois, host of the Delicious Culture Podcast.
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Welcome to the show.
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Hi, this is so great.
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Yay.
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Um Mari.
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Yes.
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We did this when you appeared on my podcast, and I apologize.
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I I look, I if it's any consolation, I just I I've had a busy podcast recording day.
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So names are even more forgetful for me on days like these.
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But on my first try, on my only try, I succeeded.
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So you gotta give me credit for that.
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But today we're gonna talk about creativity.
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Yes.
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But why don't we hear a little bit more about who you are and what it is you do so our listeners know where you're coming from?
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Great.
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I love protein bars.
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That's what's that's what you that's the first thing you should know about me.
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Um, no, I am um, I don't know.
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I so like in terms of the podcast, in terms of who I am in general as a person, like where do you want to start?
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Wherever you want to start.
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Take us on the journey, John.
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Take us on the journey.
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All right, fine, fine, fine.
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Um, um, I love to uh produce and host the Delicious Culture Podcast, the aforementioned Delicious Culture Podcast.
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Um, I get to know uh beautiful, lovely, uh engaging personality people like yourself, Mari, recently.
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Um, and I also get to know their latest delicious meal, pop culture obsession, and delicious thing that's happened in their life lately.
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So it's just a whole get to know the person I'm talking to bowl of deliciousness, if you will.
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And it's been fun to do that.
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That the the podcast has not always been that.
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I have been podcasting overall for six years, and previous iterations were just where I was at in my life.
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Like when I started this podcast during the pandemic, it was called The Anything Show with John Francois.
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And I was working in commercial radio at the time, so it was basically an extension of sort of the goofy DJ shit that I was doing on the radio.
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Can I curse on this podcast?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Um, you know, you know that that that stupid freak that talks in between the songs that and you just want to tell that person to shut up because they're talking in between the songs.
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You like you want to get back to your Bon Jovi or your Ariana Grande, but they're just talking about like, hey, a survey says 26% of people love lights in their sausage.
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Haha, here's Ariana Grande.
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Like, like I was that stupid person for eight years, and um the anything show is basically an extended podcast version of that stupidity.
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So I did that for the first three years, and then the next two years was a rewatch podcast where I just loved listening to say Pod Meets World.
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Um, I don't know.
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I well, I I don't I I don't I don't know, I don't want to be rude and ask how old you are, but are you familiar with the show Boy Ne Boy Meets World?
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Are you the key group?
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But um, so some of the cast members from that show, they have this Pod Meets World podcast that they've been doing for the past four years, and um, yeah, I just loved the nostalgia.
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I loved looking at an old show like that from a modern lens, which is mostly, hey, wow, isn't it funny and uncomfortable how problematic the 90s were?
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Yes.
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And I wanted to kind of do that.
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I was like, oh my god, like that awesome thing that is not something that I created on my own.
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Let me copy that.
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And I did the delicious recap for a couple years where me and my former co-host, um, we talked about Family Matters episodes.
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Family Matters, another TJIF sitcom.
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So uh we did that for a couple years, and then the reality hit that oh my god, there's nine seasons of Family Matters.
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It takes like five hours to write down notes for a 22-minute episode because I'm like pausing every second to uh you know capture the the the scene, the the the weird 90s fashion that they're wearing, the the problematic thing that Steve said to Laura.
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Like so when you do two years of that, and then you you know interview all the people that have been on the show, either working behind the scenes or in front of the scenes, um, it's a lot of hours, a lot of time, a lot of energy.
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And my uh my very um, I don't know, my very uh uh impatient ADHD person self was like, hmm, I don't know if this is sustainable, especially since Family Matters kind of kind of jumps the shark pretty pretty quickly.
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Heard that from the rewatch podcast format, and then eventually the delicious culture came in uh late summer of 2025.
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So I've been doing that for um it's gonna be a year uh next month as we are recording this.
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And initially, when I had a co-host, it was like, oh, let's just talk about the news and pop culture of the day.
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But then the co-host leaving inspired me creatively, hey, getting back to the point.
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Um, but I am um yeah, so so when when when the co-host left at the end of last year, going into the beginning of 2026, it forced me to reevaluate what this podcast was going to become.
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And I knew that I loved talking to as many varied wonderful personalities like yourself as possible.
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And I also wanted to figure out what are the, and I said this on a podcast that I probably shouldn't have been on universal connectors.
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What are the universal connectors that bring us all together that we can all find in common?
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Because as you know, Mari, I don't know if you know from watching the news, but it would have you think that uh there's a uh team that we have to be for and a team that we have to be against, and uh everybody has to fight and argue.
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And sometimes it's nice to just have that perspective of like, no, but there's actually a lot of things that bond us together.
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Oh, yeah.
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So I thought about the things that bond us together.
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We love to talk about a meal that really got us going, like, oh yes, no, it's so true.
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I I love the fact that we could have in common food, food that we enjoy that we're passionate about, a special meal at a restaurant, a special meal that we made at home.
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Okay, great.
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That's something that can bond us all, regardless of political differences or whatever.
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Pop culture, oh my goodness, there's in there's there's so much content that you want to just uh be mad and scream.
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Like, don't don't you don't you get that feeling, Mari?
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Like you try to search for something on Netflix and it takes you longer than the movie itself takes to find something.
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Yeah, to find something for sure.
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For sure.
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Yeah, and it's like, oh my god, I just want to watch a movie about cheese, but I'm getting something about I don't know, stranger things.
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So uh pop culture, we're always watching and listening to something.
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There's way too much content.
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We need to stop it, but we're not gonna stop it.
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And lifestyle, um, yeah, what's the delicious thing that's happened in your life lately?
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Everybody can think about a positive life event.
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And if there is no positive positivity happening in your life right now, I I cry for you.
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I want to hug you, and I want to send you to therapy.
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There has to be something in your life right now that's positive.
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And I'm talking to a therapist right now, so you know what I'm talking about.
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I do, yeah.
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Those are, I mean, yeah, you are very right.
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Those three connector pieces that we can all talk about, we can all enjoy together.
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So I'm curious with the iterations of the podcast that you've gone through, host, co-host, solo host, the creativity that has blossomed from that in your own life.
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When you think of creativity, what does it mean to you to be creative?
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Yes.
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Uh so to be creative means um to not be afraid of trying and experimenting and most importantly failing.
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That's what creativity means to me.
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Um, I think that for someone like me who has had perfectionist tendencies, it's so easy.
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And this is why I feel bad because I I'm automatically thinking of um a holiday activity that my wife loves to do.
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Uh actually two.
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I can think of two.
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So Halloween and Christmas time.
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Halloween, she likes to carve pumpkins and Christmas time she likes to make gingerbread houses.
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That's what she's loved to do.
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I don't love to do any of those because I uh have tried those and I felt like I was doing a sloppy job.
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I felt like there was a right and wrong way to do it, and I thought, okay, because there's a right and wrong way, and I'm doing it the wrong way, then this is dumb.
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And what I should have been looking at it as is a chance to explore my creativity.
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There is no right, there is no wrong.
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There is just trying, experimenting.
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I know I did say not being afraid to fail before, which kind of contradicts my right and wrong point.
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So let's just failing is a part of, you know, we're we grow when we it's failing is learning.
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We're like learning something, but we're allowed to have opinions and you know likes and preferences.
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Those are all part of it too.
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But that but that's that that's what is that's what it's meant to me.
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Um creativity is just being okay with it's it's being compassionate to your imagination, being kind, being nice to your imagination.
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Because I think it's so easy as we grow up, and especially since we've get we we get judgment along the way from all these external adult forces.
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It's so easy to go from what we were as a child when Barney was like, Oh my god, it's you know, pretend and play and I love you and you love me, to you know, just that one person.
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It could take that one person telling you, What the hell?
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Are you what a a a car radio dipped in Vaseline?
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Like that's weird.
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What?
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I mean it is weird, but still, like if you're passionate about that idea, right, and you want to do something with it, and someone's telling you, No, you can't do anything with it, that's a stupid idea, you could start to be unkind to your imagination.
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So I think creativity to me is having an imagination that is filled with compassion and kindness.
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I love that.
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And I so appreciate the word compassion because oftentimes we have a lot of compassion for other people and really struggle to have compassion for ourselves.
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And you bring up this incredible creativity skill and tool and practice, it's called the world's worst idea, and it is literally a creativity exercise to help us shift our thinking.
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So you literally come up with the world's worst idea for whatever it is you're doing, and somehow through like talking it out and pulling teasing it apart, you come to the most amazing idea that truly gets to be the vehicle for whatever we're doing.
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So I love it for people who are struggling to feel creative or find creativity in their life.
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What would you suggest or how would you encourage them to find a creative spark?
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Get out of the house.
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Say more, tell us more.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, honestly, like it could be in an area as small as Vermont or as big as New York City, but when you step out into the world and just say, All right, I'm gonna, you know, either take a walk on this street to the grocery store and you meet or you come across all kinds of people, they're doing their own various activities, you will see all kinds of different stories, all kinds of sources of info uh of inspiration.
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I mean, you can even jog uh like I do sometimes at the trail right around the corner from my house here in Vermont, and you could find a story there.
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So, like if I'm going to you know New York City to shop, I'm bound to find, oh hey, here's you know, some Asian tourists that are excited to see the city for the first time.
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Here's oh god, this this Wall Street guy in a suit who seems like he's very important and has to go to his job where he scamps people out of their mortgage payments.
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Uh I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
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Uh here's uh oh yeah, here's uh here's a here's a really hipster-looking artist person who is, I don't know, rehearsing their lines outside out loud for everybody to hear.
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Here's uh someone dressed up in a Spider-Man costume who's trying to get into a Broadway musical.
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So many stories uh on those New York streets.
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And then here in Vermont, it's something as simple as like, oh my god, here's that lovely couple with their poodle.
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They that's probably the only thing that they have to do for the day because they're old and retired.
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Oh yeah, here's that man who lives right by the trail.
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He likes to walk and then goes back into the house.
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He it looks like maybe he's a widowed man, and this is like the the big thing that uh gets his day going.
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So yeah, I think just being able to get out of the comfort zone of your home.
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And because, like, what are you gonna do?
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Like, oh yeah, here's a story about my toothbrush and my light and my TV.
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Like, yeah, sure, you could find inspiration from that, but you can find a lot more very diverse, colorful inspiration by stepping outside of yourself, your habitat, and looking into others' habitats, you know, observing people, like, oh, what's their story?
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What's the oh what what's the reason they're having this clothing?
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Oh, okay, what's their their job that they're going to today?
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That's the the that's the easiest way to be creative.
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So I love it.
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That spark of curiosity and finding it and then following that thread.
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That's that is great.
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Yeah.
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Without physically following people, because that's correct.
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Yes, please don't follow people actually.
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Just imagine.
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Imagine what it would be.
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Yeah.
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Well, what are the things you what are the creative things you are excited about in your life or working towards?
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I'm working towards not being broke.
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That would be great.
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Uh, you know, my wife and I own a house here, so you know, being a homeowner in 2026, and uh you know, so it's it's all about just being able to make enough to pay bills.
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Um, so there's that.
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And uh it would be nice to, I mean, not even like see so here's the thing.
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I mean, the American dream is like, oh, I want to like have X million amounts of dollars.
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And at this point in time, it's like literally just not only being able to pay my bills, but to pay bills and to just have a little bit of extra money left over for leisurely things like going on vacation to a cruise or um being able to explore uh the creativity that is my podcast more, being able to travel more, to uh talk with uh fantastic guests like yourself.
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I'm hyping you up so many times.
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You should be honored, Mari.
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Yeah, I love I love this, it's awesome.
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I know that that's like the anti-creativity is just basically saying the same compliment over and over and over.
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I don't know.
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I I don't get tired of hearing it.
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Oh, great.
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Well, but that's because that's because you used to be an actress, Mari.
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Of course, of course.
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We uh you and I we both have that acting background where it's like, oh me, you love me?
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I love me too.
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We all need to have that that's good to have that level of confidence, and then we know we can turn it on, we can turn it off.
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I I totally agree.
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So um it would be great to have a more financially comfortable and sustainable situation, and it would be great to just further the creative arc of this podcast that I've been doing, because um, I'd say for the first time in my six years, I feel like I'm enjoying it in the way that it's supposed to be enjoyed, which is like just making it, uh being dazzled and refreshed by each and every different person that I come across week after week, um, getting to learn new tricks with the post-production of it all.
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Um, whereas it used to be like, oh, how how big of an audience can I get?
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What are the ways I can make money off of this podcast?
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Now it's just, oh, I love making this.
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And along the way, if I can make money and get a bigger audience, great.
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It's a bonus, but it's not a necessity.
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It's not a necessity because I just love being creative.
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Right.
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That passion speaks to the passion, keeps that fuel going.
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I love it.
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Well, John, this has been such a treat.
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I have one last question for you.
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I know speedy, speedy episodes.
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My last question What does it feel like in your body to be creative?
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Um like literally, what are the feelings that I'm experiencing?
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Yeah, what does it feel like in your body to be creative?
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Adrenaline bordering on anxiety.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, if I get really like jazzed up by like, oh my god, that episode was great, or oh my god, I can't wait to have this guest on, or oh my god, I can't wait to write to to try this new editing trick on my podcast.
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Um I can get so worked up with adrenaline over that idea that um it yeah, it because my mental health is all over the place, it just it it it it it does turn into like, you know, sort of this like jittery, like, uh I gotta do this, I gotta do that.
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So that's um that's the feeling that can tend to happen when I'm feeling creative.
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It's just like wow, I have all of these ideas that I want to do, and um it it could be just very easy to like want to do it all at the same time, and then I'm like losing focus at the task at hand in front of me, and you know, so that's that's what that's what it feels like.
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And I'm trying to um still contain that excitement, but breathe more and and take it one step at a time.
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So I hope that makes sense.
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Absolutely, and I love the reminder to breathe more because that's really helpful.
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We need it to survive.
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This is true.
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This is true.
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Well, thank you so much for joining me.
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If people want to make me feel so bad, you are like like here here I am, like with my podcast.
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I'm like rambling to you for an hour plus, and here you are with a nice, concise, tight 25 minutes of Mari.
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You're so good doing my best.
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Yeah, well, all right.
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Well, you're doing a great job.
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Thank you so much for making me feel at ease.
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Yeah, if people want to listen to your podcast, get in touch with you, how could they go about doing that?
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My phone number is not uh so uh the Delicious Culture with Jean Francois, you can find it wherever you get your podcasts, um, anywhere, literally.
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Apple, Spotify, Sirius XM, Amazon, um, iHeart, just everywhere.
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And I I mean, really the best, the most efficient, easy way is uh Instagram.
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Uh if you follow me at the Delicious Culture on Instagram, you'll see um the link, the link tree, as we like to call it, that links to all of the social media platforms, all of the podcast platforms where you can access the podcast.
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So Instagram, TikTok, at the Delicious Culture.
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Um, that that'll be the the best way to um access.
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Uh look us up on YouTube, The Delicious Culture with John Francois.
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Um, so yeah.
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Perfect.
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Hopefully that hopefully that makes sense.
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That covers it all.
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Well, I will put links in show notes so people have very easy access.
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And thank you again for joining me.
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I love your energy and I love the playfulness that we've had today chatting.
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So thank you so much.
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And I love your patience for my uh insane playful energy.
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Welcome to the Sustaining Creativity Podcast.
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I'm your host, Mari Reisberg.
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Over the past several years, I've combined my degrees in acting and somatic psychology to share my sustaining creativity techniques with performers.
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And now I've decided to share with a bigger audience that includes you.
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I believe we are all creative, and this podcast is all about that.
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I'll be interviewing people from all backgrounds, ages, and creativity experiences to share just how creative we all are.
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Today I'll be chatting with John Francois, host of the Delicious Culture Podcast.
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Please enjoy John Francois.
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Welcome to the Sustaining Creativity Podcast.
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Today I'm chatting with John Francois, host of the Delicious Culture Podcast.
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Welcome to the show.
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Hi, this is so great.
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Yay.
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Um Mari.
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Yes.
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We did this when you appeared on my podcast, and I apologize.
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I I look, I if it's any consolation, I just I I've had a busy podcast recording day.
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So names are even more forgetful for me on days like these.
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But on my first try, on my only try, I succeeded.
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So you gotta give me credit for that.
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But today we're gonna talk about creativity.
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Yes.
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But why don't we hear a little bit more about who you are and what it is you do so our listeners know where you're coming from?
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Great.
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I love protein bars.
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That's what's that's what you that's the first thing you should know about me.
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Um, no, I am um, I don't know.
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I so like in terms of the podcast, in terms of who I am in general as a person, like where do you want to start?
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Wherever you want to start.
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Take us on the journey, John.
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Take us on the journey.
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All right, fine, fine, fine.
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Um, um, I love to uh produce and host the Delicious Culture Podcast, the aforementioned Delicious Culture Podcast.
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Um, I get to know uh beautiful, lovely, uh engaging personality people like yourself, Mari, recently.
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Um, and I also get to know their latest delicious meal, pop culture obsession, and delicious thing that's happened in their life lately.
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So it's just a whole get to know the person I'm talking to bowl of deliciousness, if you will.
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And it's been fun to do that.
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That the the podcast has not always been that.
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I have been podcasting overall for six years, and previous iterations were just where I was at in my life.
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Like when I started this podcast during the pandemic, it was called The Anything Show with John Francois.
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And I was working in commercial radio at the time, so it was basically an extension of sort of the goofy DJ shit that I was doing on the radio.
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Can I curse on this podcast?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Um, you know, you know that that that stupid freak that talks in between the songs that and you just want to tell that person to shut up because they're talking in between the songs.
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You like you want to get back to your Bon Jovi or your Ariana Grande, but they're just talking about like, hey, a survey says 26% of people love lights in their sausage.
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Haha, here's Ariana Grande.
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Like, like I was that stupid person for eight years, and um the anything show is basically an extended podcast version of that stupidity.
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So I did that for the first three years, and then the next two years was a rewatch podcast where I just loved listening to say Pod Meets World.
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Um, I don't know.
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I well, I I don't I I don't I don't know, I don't want to be rude and ask how old you are, but are you familiar with the show Boy Ne Boy Meets World?
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Are you the key group?
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But um, so some of the cast members from that show, they have this Pod Meets World podcast that they've been doing for the past four years, and um, yeah, I just loved the nostalgia.
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I loved looking at an old show like that from a modern lens, which is mostly, hey, wow, isn't it funny and uncomfortable how problematic the 90s were?
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Yes.
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And I wanted to kind of do that.
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I was like, oh my god, like that awesome thing that is not something that I created on my own.
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Let me copy that.
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And I did the delicious recap for a couple years where me and my former co-host, um, we talked about Family Matters episodes.
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Family Matters, another TJIF sitcom.
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So uh we did that for a couple years, and then the reality hit that oh my god, there's nine seasons of Family Matters.
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It takes like five hours to write down notes for a 22-minute episode because I'm like pausing every second to uh you know capture the the the scene, the the the weird 90s fashion that they're wearing, the the problematic thing that Steve said to Laura.
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Like so when you do two years of that, and then you you know interview all the people that have been on the show, either working behind the scenes or in front of the scenes, um, it's a lot of hours, a lot of time, a lot of energy.
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And my uh my very um, I don't know, my very uh uh impatient ADHD person self was like, hmm, I don't know if this is sustainable, especially since Family Matters kind of kind of jumps the shark pretty pretty quickly.
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Heard that from the rewatch podcast format, and then eventually the delicious culture came in uh late summer of 2025.
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So I've been doing that for um it's gonna be a year uh next month as we are recording this.
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And initially, when I had a co-host, it was like, oh, let's just talk about the news and pop culture of the day.
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But then the co-host leaving inspired me creatively, hey, getting back to the point.
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Um, but I am um yeah, so so when when when the co-host left at the end of last year, going into the beginning of 2026, it forced me to reevaluate what this podcast was going to become.
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And I knew that I loved talking to as many varied wonderful personalities like yourself as possible.
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And I also wanted to figure out what are the, and I said this on a podcast that I probably shouldn't have been on universal connectors.
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What are the universal connectors that bring us all together that we can all find in common?
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Because as you know, Mari, I don't know if you know from watching the news, but it would have you think that uh there's a uh team that we have to be for and a team that we have to be against, and uh everybody has to fight and argue.
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And sometimes it's nice to just have that perspective of like, no, but there's actually a lot of things that bond us together.
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Oh, yeah.
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So I thought about the things that bond us together.
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We love to talk about a meal that really got us going, like, oh yes, no, it's so true.
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I I love the fact that we could have in common food, food that we enjoy that we're passionate about, a special meal at a restaurant, a special meal that we made at home.
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Okay, great.
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That's something that can bond us all, regardless of political differences or whatever.
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Pop culture, oh my goodness, there's in there's there's so much content that you want to just uh be mad and scream.
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Like, don't don't you don't you get that feeling, Mari?
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Like you try to search for something on Netflix and it takes you longer than the movie itself takes to find something.
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Yeah, to find something for sure.
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For sure.
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Yeah, and it's like, oh my god, I just want to watch a movie about cheese, but I'm getting something about I don't know, stranger things.
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So uh pop culture, we're always watching and listening to something.
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There's way too much content.
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We need to stop it, but we're not gonna stop it.
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And lifestyle, um, yeah, what's the delicious thing that's happened in your life lately?
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Everybody can think about a positive life event.
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And if there is no positive positivity happening in your life right now, I I cry for you.
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I want to hug you, and I want to send you to therapy.
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There has to be something in your life right now that's positive.
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And I'm talking to a therapist right now, so you know what I'm talking about.
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I do, yeah.
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Those are, I mean, yeah, you are very right.
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Those three connector pieces that we can all talk about, we can all enjoy together.
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So I'm curious with the iterations of the podcast that you've gone through, host, co-host, solo host, the creativity that has blossomed from that in your own life.
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When you think of creativity, what does it mean to you to be creative?
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Yes.
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Uh so to be creative means um to not be afraid of trying and experimenting and most importantly failing.
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That's what creativity means to me.
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Um, I think that for someone like me who has had perfectionist tendencies, it's so easy.
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And this is why I feel bad because I I'm automatically thinking of um a holiday activity that my wife loves to do.
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Uh actually two.
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I can think of two.
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So Halloween and Christmas time.
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Halloween, she likes to carve pumpkins and Christmas time she likes to make gingerbread houses.
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That's what she's loved to do.
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I don't love to do any of those because I uh have tried those and I felt like I was doing a sloppy job.
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I felt like there was a right and wrong way to do it, and I thought, okay, because there's a right and wrong way, and I'm doing it the wrong way, then this is dumb.
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And what I should have been looking at it as is a chance to explore my creativity.
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There is no right, there is no wrong.
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There is just trying, experimenting.
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I know I did say not being afraid to fail before, which kind of contradicts my right and wrong point.
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So let's just failing is a part of, you know, we're we grow when we it's failing is learning.
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We're like learning something, but we're allowed to have opinions and you know likes and preferences.
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Those are all part of it too.
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But that but that's that that's what is that's what it's meant to me.
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Um creativity is just being okay with it's it's being compassionate to your imagination, being kind, being nice to your imagination.
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Because I think it's so easy as we grow up, and especially since we've get we we get judgment along the way from all these external adult forces.
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It's so easy to go from what we were as a child when Barney was like, Oh my god, it's you know, pretend and play and I love you and you love me, to you know, just that one person.
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It could take that one person telling you, What the hell?
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Are you what a a a car radio dipped in Vaseline?
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Like that's weird.
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What?
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I mean it is weird, but still, like if you're passionate about that idea, right, and you want to do something with it, and someone's telling you, No, you can't do anything with it, that's a stupid idea, you could start to be unkind to your imagination.
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So I think creativity to me is having an imagination that is filled with compassion and kindness.
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I love that.
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And I so appreciate the word compassion because oftentimes we have a lot of compassion for other people and really struggle to have compassion for ourselves.
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And you bring up this incredible creativity skill and tool and practice, it's called the world's worst idea, and it is literally a creativity exercise to help us shift our thinking.
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So you literally come up with the world's worst idea for whatever it is you're doing, and somehow through like talking it out and pulling teasing it apart, you come to the most amazing idea that truly gets to be the vehicle for whatever we're doing.
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So I love it for people who are struggling to feel creative or find creativity in their life.
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What would you suggest or how would you encourage them to find a creative spark?
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Get out of the house.
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Say more, tell us more.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, honestly, like it could be in an area as small as Vermont or as big as New York City, but when you step out into the world and just say, All right, I'm gonna, you know, either take a walk on this street to the grocery store and you meet or you come across all kinds of people, they're doing their own various activities, you will see all kinds of different stories, all kinds of sources of info uh of inspiration.
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I mean, you can even jog uh like I do sometimes at the trail right around the corner from my house here in Vermont, and you could find a story there.
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So, like if I'm going to you know New York City to shop, I'm bound to find, oh hey, here's you know, some Asian tourists that are excited to see the city for the first time.
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Here's oh god, this this Wall Street guy in a suit who seems like he's very important and has to go to his job where he scamps people out of their mortgage payments.
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Uh I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
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Uh here's uh oh yeah, here's uh here's a here's a really hipster-looking artist person who is, I don't know, rehearsing their lines outside out loud for everybody to hear.
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Here's uh someone dressed up in a Spider-Man costume who's trying to get into a Broadway musical.
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So many stories uh on those New York streets.
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And then here in Vermont, it's something as simple as like, oh my god, here's that lovely couple with their poodle.
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They that's probably the only thing that they have to do for the day because they're old and retired.
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Oh yeah, here's that man who lives right by the trail.
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He likes to walk and then goes back into the house.
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He it looks like maybe he's a widowed man, and this is like the the big thing that uh gets his day going.
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So yeah, I think just being able to get out of the comfort zone of your home.
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And because, like, what are you gonna do?
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Like, oh yeah, here's a story about my toothbrush and my light and my TV.
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Like, yeah, sure, you could find inspiration from that, but you can find a lot more very diverse, colorful inspiration by stepping outside of yourself, your habitat, and looking into others' habitats, you know, observing people, like, oh, what's their story?
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What's the oh what what's the reason they're having this clothing?
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Oh, okay, what's their their job that they're going to today?
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That's the the that's the easiest way to be creative.
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So I love it.
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That spark of curiosity and finding it and then following that thread.
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That's that is great.
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Yeah.
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Without physically following people, because that's correct.
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Yes, please don't follow people actually.
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Just imagine.
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Imagine what it would be.
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Yeah.
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Well, what are the things you what are the creative things you are excited about in your life or working towards?
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I'm working towards not being broke.
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That would be great.
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Uh, you know, my wife and I own a house here, so you know, being a homeowner in 2026, and uh you know, so it's it's all about just being able to make enough to pay bills.
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Um, so there's that.
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And uh it would be nice to, I mean, not even like see so here's the thing.
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I mean, the American dream is like, oh, I want to like have X million amounts of dollars.
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And at this point in time, it's like literally just not only being able to pay my bills, but to pay bills and to just have a little bit of extra money left over for leisurely things like going on vacation to a cruise or um being able to explore uh the creativity that is my podcast more, being able to travel more, to uh talk with uh fantastic guests like yourself.
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I'm hyping you up so many times.
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You should be honored, Mari.
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Yeah, I love I love this, it's awesome.
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I know that that's like the anti-creativity is just basically saying the same compliment over and over and over.
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I don't know.
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I I don't get tired of hearing it.
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Oh, great.
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Well, but that's because that's because you used to be an actress, Mari.
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Of course, of course.
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We uh you and I we both have that acting background where it's like, oh me, you love me?
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I love me too.
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We all need to have that that's good to have that level of confidence, and then we know we can turn it on, we can turn it off.
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I I totally agree.
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So um it would be great to have a more financially comfortable and sustainable situation, and it would be great to just further the creative arc of this podcast that I've been doing, because um, I'd say for the first time in my six years, I feel like I'm enjoying it in the way that it's supposed to be enjoyed, which is like just making it, uh being dazzled and refreshed by each and every different person that I come across week after week, um, getting to learn new tricks with the post-production of it all.
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Um, whereas it used to be like, oh, how how big of an audience can I get?
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What are the ways I can make money off of this podcast?
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Now it's just, oh, I love making this.
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And along the way, if I can make money and get a bigger audience, great.
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It's a bonus, but it's not a necessity.
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It's not a necessity because I just love being creative.
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Right.
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That passion speaks to the passion, keeps that fuel going.
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I love it.
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Well, John, this has been such a treat.
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I have one last question for you.
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I know speedy, speedy episodes.
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My last question What does it feel like in your body to be creative?
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Um like literally, what are the feelings that I'm experiencing?
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Yeah, what does it feel like in your body to be creative?
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Adrenaline bordering on anxiety.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, if I get really like jazzed up by like, oh my god, that episode was great, or oh my god, I can't wait to have this guest on, or oh my god, I can't wait to write to to try this new editing trick on my podcast.
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Um I can get so worked up with adrenaline over that idea that um it yeah, it because my mental health is all over the place, it just it it it it it does turn into like, you know, sort of this like jittery, like, uh I gotta do this, I gotta do that.
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So that's um that's the feeling that can tend to happen when I'm feeling creative.
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It's just like wow, I have all of these ideas that I want to do, and um it it could be just very easy to like want to do it all at the same time, and then I'm like losing focus at the task at hand in front of me, and you know, so that's that's what that's what it feels like.
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And I'm trying to um still contain that excitement, but breathe more and and take it one step at a time.
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So I hope that makes sense.
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Absolutely, and I love the reminder to breathe more because that's really helpful.
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We need it to survive.
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This is true.
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This is true.
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Well, thank you so much for joining me.
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If people want to make me feel so bad, you are like like here here I am, like with my podcast.
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I'm like rambling to you for an hour plus, and here you are with a nice, concise, tight 25 minutes of Mari.
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You're so good doing my best.
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Yeah, well, all right.
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Well, you're doing a great job.
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Thank you so much for making me feel at ease.
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Yeah, if people want to listen to your podcast, get in touch with you, how could they go about doing that?
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My phone number is not uh so uh the Delicious Culture with Jean Francois, you can find it wherever you get your podcasts, um, anywhere, literally.
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Apple, Spotify, Sirius XM, Amazon, um, iHeart, just everywhere.
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And I I mean, really the best, the most efficient, easy way is uh Instagram.
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Uh if you follow me at the Delicious Culture on Instagram, you'll see um the link, the link tree, as we like to call it, that links to all of the social media platforms, all of the podcast platforms where you can access the podcast.
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So Instagram, TikTok, at the Delicious Culture.
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Um, that that'll be the the best way to um access.
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Uh look us up on YouTube, The Delicious Culture with John Francois.
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Um, so yeah.
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Perfect.
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Hopefully that hopefully that makes sense.
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That covers it all.
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Well, I will put links in show notes so people have very easy access.
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And thank you again for joining me.
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I love your energy and I love the playfulness that we've had today chatting.
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So thank you so much.
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And I love your patience for my uh insane playful energy.
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