Why a Conservative and Liberal Agree on the Epstein Files | Surrounded Follow-Up

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Trump is one of the few presidents,
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in my opinion,
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that is so
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unshakeable when it comes to just not caring.
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If you're on the left and you're happy right now that Bonnie's gone,
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like,
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oh,
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maybe now we're gonna get some motion on the Epstein files,
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you're out of your mind.
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All right,
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I am here with Marian and Andrew.
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Welcome to the surrounded Follow-up.
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Hi.
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Hey,
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thanks for having me.
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Hi.
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Uh,
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I would love to hear from
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each of you just kind of briefly,
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what was it like
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going into
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You know,
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the surrounded episode with Rona and
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did it meet your expectations
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expectations?
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Did he surprise you,
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disappoint you?
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Uh,
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Marion,
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why don't you start us off?
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Yeah,
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I,
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you know,
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I don't know that
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the audience won't know this,
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but we did not know who it was going to be
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until the moment that you
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introduced the person,
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right?
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So
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I think we all have a few minutes before,
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right.
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I think we all had like a moment of like,
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OK,
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calibrate your brain.
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Like what,
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you know,
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questions did you prepare in case this was who it was going to be,
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you know,
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now we know it's someone that actually
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was involved in writing the bill.
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So now it's a whole different mindset of,
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you know,
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what do I need to,
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um,
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focus on.
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So that was kind of fun
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just having that like
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on your toes moment,
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um,
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and for me.
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You know,
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politicians themselves,
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it's,
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when you're debating a politician or you think about just
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the realities of what politicians are trained to do,
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they're
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very good debaters,
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right?
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Like this is,
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this is part of their training.
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So
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I enjoy debating him because he is well versed in what he is talking about
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and he's a genuine.
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Genuine,
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you know,
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competitor,
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if you will,
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in the debate space.
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So it was very fun.
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It was better than,
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you know,
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debating someone who
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might be an expert in something,
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but is not
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an expert in debating.
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Well,
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you,
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you seemed fearless.
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you did not seem
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concerned with
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his status,
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and I,
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I appreciated that.
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Andrew,
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how about you?
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yeah,
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I,
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I largely feel the same way.
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I will say like,
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you know,
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when we're,
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when we're going into these surrounded videos,
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you know,
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if you're one of the 20 in the,
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in the circle,
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kind of like all you know going in is like the,
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the topic,
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of course you'd have to know the topic,
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but,
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and then also like the very,
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very,
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very broad
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political alignment of the person.
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you know,
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I can only speak for myself,
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but when I,
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you know,
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when I was going into the video,
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I thought,
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I know it's gonna be someone on the left,
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and it's about the Epstein Files.
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we're gonna be talking a lot about the Epstein Files Transparency Act,
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and I just kind of thought to myself,
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like,
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who would,
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out of,
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you know,
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all the left-leaning politicians I know,
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who would have the most motivation to come
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talk about the Epstein Files Transparency Act?
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maybe Rocao would have that kind of,
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you know,
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motivation.
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I had like 50% confidence that that's who it would be.
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And then that being said,
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um,
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I've always had,
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ever since the Epstein Files Transparency Act was passed or,
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you know,
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since that conversation got started with his initial
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discharge petition that he and Massey were pushing for,
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uh,
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I always had like a very
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question and you know that ended up being what I
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talked to him about a very specific question of like,
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why does it feel like this bill is so toothless
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and so,
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you know,
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speaking for myself,
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I
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came into the episode specifically fingers crossed that it would be Rona,
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you know,
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I was like,
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you know,
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we don't know for sure,
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but I was like,
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please,
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Rona,
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please Rona,
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because I just wanted to ask him about that specific thing like,
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why did you write a bill that has no teeth,
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man?
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I got lucky.
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I saw him walk out.
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you,
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you said you kind of said you did leak it like 5 minutes before.
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Where you're setting up,
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you're like,
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well
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guys,
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when Roe gets here we're gonna,
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and I was like,
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I always forget it's a secret.
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I always forget it's a secret.
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Yeah,
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it didn't have any effect.
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It didn't have any effect on anything because it was like
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he was just about to walk in when you said that.
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But when you said it,
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I was like,
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Hey,
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hey hey John.
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so you know,
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for me I was like very fingers crossed that that's who it would be.
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when I,
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you know,
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when he did walk it,
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or I guess when you leaked it,
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but you know,
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when he,
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when he came in I was like,
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yes,
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you know,
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I get to,
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I get to talk to him about this one thing I want to talk to him about.
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well,
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great.
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I,
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it's interesting to have both of you on because,
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and well,
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I really wanna get to
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Andrew,
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what you wanted to bring up with him and
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then Marianne obviously what you uh debated with him.
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it's interesting because you both have,
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you have a similar concern that the bill is kind of,
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and just the Epstein
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sort of moment that
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has,
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has been bubbling in politics this year
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is kind of political theater.
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but Andrew,
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your concern is the inverse.
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It's political theater that doesn't intend to actually
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Get results or hold uh this administration accountable,
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like you said,
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toothless.
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But then Marianne,
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you have a different concern,
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which is that
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this is kind of a witch hunt,
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this is a little bit of McCarthy vibes where we're just trying to kind of drag
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As many people through the mud as we can to
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throw dirt on this administration.
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it's interesting you guys both kind of are coming at that from different angles,
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but there's a,
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a shared thread.
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Andrew,
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we'll start with a clip
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uh from you and then I,
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I do want to hear kind of what you both are thinking.
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This is
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Andrew and Roe,
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and I'm,
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I'm gonna play this for you guys,
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so one second.
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You mentioned that if you could do it again,
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you would put some sort of private cause of action into the bill,
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so,
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uh,
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you know,
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the DOJ could be sued.
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to try to get the files released in that manner,
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why didn't you
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be the question.
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there is,
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uh,
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legal standing,
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right?
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We could,
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uh,
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have obstruction of justice brought against them.
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that is a cause of action.
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The Judge Engelmayer in the Southern District of
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New York has invited the survivors to sue
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because they aren't complying with the Epstein Transparency Act,
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but
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it was a
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Herculean task.
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Get
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this through,
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Massey and I defied the odds.
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There have only been 5 discharge petitions
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ever passed in the history of recent Congress.
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We had to go against the Speaker.
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We had to go against Donald Trump.
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We had to go against the senators.
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We had to go against people initially in our own parties.
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And so what we were trying to do is pass something that could get majority support.
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And if we had made it
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even tougher,
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it would.
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It would have been hard to get the votes we did.
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Now I don't think Donald Trump still knows that he signed
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a Democrat's bill.
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He thinks maybe it's Massey's bill,
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but you know,
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it was a very,
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very hard thing.
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If we had
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more
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time and if we were able to get a broader coalition,
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we could do it.
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And some people are talking about,
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can we do a second act to the Epstein Transparency Act,
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but it was the best we could get through in Congress at the time.
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So is that to say that yourself and Thomas Massie?
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Considered putting a private cause of action into the bill and you chose not
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to for the sake of having a better chance of getting more votes.
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We did.
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We,
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we,
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we looked at other enforcement mechanisms and
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you know there was also a rush to do it.
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So if we started out with saying,
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oh,
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we're going to sue them and we're going to sue the administration,
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it would have been very hard for me to get some of the Republicans on board.
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Sure,
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reliving that moment a little bit.
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Andrew,
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what comes to mind?
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Were you satisfied with,
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with his response?
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Uh,
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I mean,
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I think we get like a little bit deeper into it,
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you know,
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as I'm talking to him in that section,
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and like I,
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by the end I was like 50% satisfied.
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I actually,
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I've thought about this more since then.
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I think like right after,
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you know,
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the conversation was over,
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right after we finished filming,
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at the time,
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I was like,
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you know what,
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I,
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I guess I'm OK with that.
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He gave an OK answer.
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And then I think kind of as time went on,
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thinking back on the moment,
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like the drive home,
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you know,
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as I'm like,
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I had like a 3 hour drive home after it and
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I'm just sitting there in the car and I'm like,
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mm.
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Um,
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I don't think I am OK with that answer because there was a lot.
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He did a lot of politicians speak right there.
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He's slick,
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yeah,
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he,
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he very rarely,
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and you know,
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it's what Marianne brought up earlier that like,
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you know,
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he's a politician,
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he's a good debater,
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you know,
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he has to be,
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um.
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I,
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I like halfway agree with that.
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I think he's a decent debater for a politician,
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but the problem with a lot of politicians is that there are just
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certain things they can't say or they're not willing to say cause,
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you know,
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that they,
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it might hurt their electoral chances or it might
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hurt their ability to work with other people in,
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you know,
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in Congress,
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uh,
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you know,
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if they had said something,
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uh,
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if he had said something in that moment,
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you notice he says like,
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um,
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You know,
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Massey and I did initially want to put
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some sort of teeth in this bill,
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a cause of action or a criminal,
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you know,
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a criminal punishment or something.
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Like we wanted something and we thought that we
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couldn't get the votes to get it passed.
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Um,
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I think later he goes on to say something along the
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lines of that actually is what occurred in real life.
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That is how it played out.
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They originally had.
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Some sort of punishment,
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and they could,
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you know,
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with the punishment in the bill,
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they couldn't get the votes to get the bill passed.
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Um,
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and so like my immediate,
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like,
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what I would want to know is like,
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OK,
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well then I,
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I feel like
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rather than,
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you know,
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rather than trying to like play defense for those people
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as to why there's no punishment in this bill,
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you should just be like,
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hey,
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you're right,
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this bill is toothless,
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but it's,
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you know,
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uh,
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you know,
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one of the people that signed the discharge petition.
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I,
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I think,
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uh,
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you know,
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Marjorie Taylor Greene had signed the petition.
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Maybe it was her,
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right?
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So you just throw it,
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you just be like,
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you know,
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hey,
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if you're mad that there's no teeth in this bill,
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Marjorie did it,
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her fault,
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you know,
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so.
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The,
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the,
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the politician speak kind of gets old,
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and I,
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you know,
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I thought about that a lot,
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you know,
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you know,
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later on.
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I was OK with his answer at first,
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but I was like
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he really didn't answer my question very well,
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did he,
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huh?
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Like he really,
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he really was,
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he,
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he kind of slithered around it,
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didn't,
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didn't actually give a direct answer,
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but,
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well,
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you know,
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politicians,
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I mean,
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he,
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yeah,
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I,
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I,
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I can see that posturing,
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that maneuvering.
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I mean,
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I think he's,
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he's a,
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a gifted speaker.
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He's really good at meeting,
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um,
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the person
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that he's speaking to where they're at.
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I guess something I'm curious about so we can get
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a little bit deeper into your point of view,
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Andrew,
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before throwing it over to Marion is
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why,
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why is that so important to you and,
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and what do you think,
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like,
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do you think it would have been possible to
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get
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a cause of action in this bill with Republican support,
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because I think,
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you know,
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his main argument,
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which I do think
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is,
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is somewhat valid,
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is look,
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we barely got this through to begin with because
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we don't,
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Republicans don't want people to go after Trump,
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so.
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Right,
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you know,
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do you,
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do you feel like it wasn't worthwhile unless you could get that?
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Why,
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why was that so important to you?
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Um,
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no,
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it's actually,
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it's,
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it's my,
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my issue with the,
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you know,
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this whole line of,
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you know,
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with this whole like dialogue tree here
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is that I,
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I feel like there's a lack of honesty that's going on.
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Like I,
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I actually,
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I don't necessarily have any issues with the results.
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He probably is correct.
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He's probably just right
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that if there was,
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you know,
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say,
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uh,
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within the bill,
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he had put some sort of like obstruction,
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uh,
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charge,
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you know,
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within the bill that had like lesser,
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um,
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lesser elements than the actual obstruction charge,
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we can get into that later because that was his excuse,
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like,
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well,
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we'll just charge him with obstruction down the line,
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maybe.
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I don't think that would work.
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And I thought it was a cop-out for him to,
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I think it's a cop-out for him to try to say that,
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um.
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But,
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you know,
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like,
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he,
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he might just be correct that if there was something like that
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in the bill that there's no way it would have passed.
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He might be right.
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But then say that.
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So,
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you know,
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uh,
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you know,
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part of my,
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part of my motivation for wanting to talk to
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him specifically about this is that I saw him.
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He did an interview with,
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uh,
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I don't remember exactly which video it is because he's done like dozens,
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but he,
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I,
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I remember seeing him,
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uh,
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do an interview with Brian Tyler Cohen,
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and Brian asked him that the same question I asked him,
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like,
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hey.
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Why does it feel like this bill's kind of toothless?
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There's no cause of,
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you know,
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civil cause of action.
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There's no criminal punishment for non-compliance.
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It basically seems like,
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uh,
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you know,
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as the bill's written,
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the DOJ can just violate this law and there will be no consequences for doing so.
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And at the time,
589
00:10:58.109 --> 00:10:59.080
his answer was,
590
00:10:59.270 --> 00:10:59.549
oh,
591
00:10:59.710 --> 00:11:00.760
that wasn't our focus,
592
00:11:00.859 --> 00:11:01.070
you know,
593
00:11:01.190 --> 00:11:01.380
like,
594
00:11:01.630 --> 00:11:01.750
you know,
595
00:11:01.830 --> 00:11:03.489
punishing non-compliance wasn't really
596
00:11:03.739 --> 00:11:04.549
top of mind for us.
597
00:11:04.630 --> 00:11:07.059
We kind of just overlooked it and we just wanted to get the bill passed.
598
00:11:07.229 --> 00:11:07.559
And
599
00:11:08.460 --> 00:11:10.869
Rohanna is a Yale educated lawyer,
600
00:11:10.950 --> 00:11:11.349
OK?
601
00:11:11.909 --> 00:11:14.369
That answer is that there's no
602
00:11:14.750 --> 00:11:15.549
way that you,
603
00:11:15.630 --> 00:11:17.109
if you graduated from Yale Law,
604
00:11:17.169 --> 00:11:19.729
I know you understand our legal framework such that
605
00:11:20.030 --> 00:11:22.929
you know full well that if you put no teeth in this bill whatsoever,
606
00:11:23.179 --> 00:11:24.349
and there's no outside source,
607
00:11:24.510 --> 00:11:24.630
again,
608
00:11:24.710 --> 00:11:24.849
he,
609
00:11:24.989 --> 00:11:25.780
he tries to go to,
610
00:11:25.900 --> 00:11:26.909
we'll charge them with obstruction.
611
00:11:26.989 --> 00:11:28.570
I can explain later why that's
612
00:11:28.950 --> 00:11:29.619
not happening.
613
00:11:30.049 --> 00:11:31.109
There's no shot of that.
614
00:11:31.390 --> 00:11:31.690
But.
615
00:11:32.479 --> 00:11:32.729
So when he,
616
00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:33.789
when he says that to Brian,
617
00:11:33.869 --> 00:11:33.950
right,
618
00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:34.210
he's a,
619
00:11:34.349 --> 00:11:34.479
you know,
620
00:11:34.659 --> 00:11:34.669
I,
621
00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:35.640
we weren't really thinking about it.
622
00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:35.950
I'm like,
623
00:11:36.020 --> 00:11:36.719
no shot,
624
00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:37.599
you didn't think about it.
625
00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:38.830
There's no way,
626
00:11:39.119 --> 00:11:40.440
there's no chance you didn't think about it.
627
00:11:40.500 --> 00:11:41.229
What happened,
628
00:11:41.789 --> 00:11:45.510
what I think happened is you did think about it and then outside something else
629
00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:46.539
changed your mind.
630
00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:47.280
And so,
631
00:11:47.400 --> 00:11:47.559
you know,
632
00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:49.159
I wanted to push him on that because he,
633
00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:50.140
I felt like he'd given a,
634
00:11:50.400 --> 00:11:50.520
you know,
635
00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:51.200
a lying answer.
636
00:11:51.359 --> 00:11:51.729
But uh,
637
00:11:52.359 --> 00:11:54.039
just circle back to originally what you asked.
638
00:11:54.429 --> 00:11:55.799
It's just an honesty thing for me.
639
00:11:55.950 --> 00:11:56.150
Again,
640
00:11:56.229 --> 00:11:56.390
you know,
641
00:11:56.469 --> 00:11:57.390
whether he's correct or not,
642
00:11:57.429 --> 00:11:58.109
that it wouldn't have got passed,
643
00:11:58.229 --> 00:11:58.340
sure,
644
00:11:58.390 --> 00:11:58.739
maybe,
645
00:11:58.909 --> 00:11:59.690
but just tell the truth.
646
00:11:59.869 --> 00:12:00.299
Just say that,
647
00:12:00.390 --> 00:12:00.929
just say like,
648
00:12:01.270 --> 00:12:01.390
you know,
649
00:12:01.469 --> 00:12:03.830
when Brian asked you that original question a couple of months ago in that video,
650
00:12:03.989 --> 00:12:05.140
say what you said to me,
651
00:12:05.349 --> 00:12:07.940
and I would prefer that you actually name drop the person that,
652
00:12:08.070 --> 00:12:08.270
you know,
653
00:12:08.390 --> 00:12:08.739
that,
654
00:12:08.750 --> 00:12:08.909
uh,
655
00:12:09.020 --> 00:12:09.190
you know,
656
00:12:09.340 --> 00:12:09.500
uh,
657
00:12:09.549 --> 00:12:09.969
pushed him
658
00:12:10.219 --> 00:12:11.669
into not having a punishment in the bill,
659
00:12:11.750 --> 00:12:12.450
but again,
660
00:12:12.739 --> 00:12:13.419
we go back to,
661
00:12:13.590 --> 00:12:14.309
he's a politician,
662
00:12:14.390 --> 00:12:15.010
can he really,
663
00:12:15.270 --> 00:12:15.460
can he,
664
00:12:15.549 --> 00:12:17.059
can he put that person on blast like that?
665
00:12:17.390 --> 00:12:18.059
Maybe he can't,
666
00:12:18.340 --> 00:12:18.619
but,
667
00:12:18.789 --> 00:12:18.869
yeah,
668
00:12:18.940 --> 00:12:19.750
that'd be my preference.
669
00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:20.630
Yeah,
670
00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:21.080
Marion,
671
00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:21.659
you've been
672
00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:23.159
patiently sitting on the side.
673
00:12:23.219 --> 00:12:25.260
What what's on your mind?
674
00:12:26.219 --> 00:12:26.460
You know,
675
00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:27.159
I'm just
676
00:12:28.700 --> 00:12:30.119
Andrew's 100% right.
677
00:12:30.450 --> 00:12:30.650
The,
678
00:12:30.690 --> 00:12:32.919
the frustration I have or just the,
679
00:12:32.929 --> 00:12:33.349
the,
680
00:12:33.359 --> 00:12:35.030
the point that's making me laugh is
681
00:12:35.650 --> 00:12:36.190
one of
682
00:12:36.330 --> 00:12:38.150
Rose's claims
683
00:12:38.369 --> 00:12:39.070
was that
684
00:12:39.369 --> 00:12:41.770
Pam was not in compliance with the bill.
685
00:12:42.049 --> 00:12:45.169
So it's like if you were going to be this frustrated.
686
00:12:45.905 --> 00:12:47.664
If they were not in full compliance,
687
00:12:47.744 --> 00:12:49.215
you should have written a better bill,
688
00:12:49.424 --> 00:12:49.594
right?
689
00:12:49.705 --> 00:12:49.994
Like
690
00:12:50.145 --> 00:12:52.445
you should have written a bill that would have demanded
691
00:12:52.585 --> 00:12:54.565
and held them accountable for
692
00:12:54.744 --> 00:12:56.065
the entirety of what you're looking for,
693
00:12:56.145 --> 00:12:57.664
which is the full release of the files,
694
00:12:57.705 --> 00:12:58.104
etc.
695
00:12:58.265 --> 00:12:58.565
So
696
00:12:58.864 --> 00:12:59.864
he wrote a bill
697
00:13:00.104 --> 00:13:01.684
that was very lackadaisical.
698
00:13:02.400 --> 00:13:06.900
And then comes in to debate all of us about the idea that Pam is not,
699
00:13:07.239 --> 00:13:07.520
you know,
700
00:13:07.719 --> 00:13:12.679
holding up her end of the bargain in a very crappy bill or a very basic bill.
701
00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:13.799
And as,
702
00:13:13.890 --> 00:13:14.200
as,
703
00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:14.479
you know,
704
00:13:14.590 --> 00:13:15.039
Andrew said,
705
00:13:15.119 --> 00:13:16.179
he's a politician
706
00:13:16.280 --> 00:13:17.260
and a lawyer.
707
00:13:17.479 --> 00:13:18.460
So he knows
708
00:13:18.599 --> 00:13:21.500
all of the workarounds that were already available to
709
00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:22.520
the right or,
710
00:13:22.570 --> 00:13:22.799
you know,
711
00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:23.580
to the,
712
00:13:23.719 --> 00:13:23.950
um,
713
00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:24.239
DOJ.
714
00:13:24.880 --> 00:13:25.719
When he wrote this bill,
715
00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:26.859
as he's writing it,
716
00:13:27.119 --> 00:13:27.919
in his mind,
717
00:13:28.010 --> 00:13:29.150
he absolutely knows,
718
00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:29.359
OK,
719
00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:29.580
well,
720
00:13:29.599 --> 00:13:31.150
this is a point where they might be able to,
721
00:13:31.409 --> 00:13:31.869
you know,
722
00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:33.299
shit me out of
723
00:13:33.479 --> 00:13:35.020
being held accountable or
724
00:13:35.239 --> 00:13:35.840
get away with this,
725
00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:36.559
get away with that,
726
00:13:36.630 --> 00:13:38.080
and yet he still wrote it
727
00:13:38.280 --> 00:13:39.590
and still presented it.
728
00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:40.700
So to me,
729
00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:42.070
when I'm receiving all of this,
730
00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:43.020
I'm just thinking,
731
00:13:43.030 --> 00:13:43.159
again,
732
00:13:43.239 --> 00:13:44.309
like you said at the beginning,
733
00:13:44.640 --> 00:13:45.809
it's more of a witch hunt.
734
00:13:46.219 --> 00:13:46.229
My,
735
00:13:46.239 --> 00:13:46.520
in my.
736
00:13:46.609 --> 00:13:46.960
Idea,
737
00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:48.390
I really think that it was just like,
738
00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:49.179
you know what,
739
00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:53.919
all we need is to open up some form of huge conversation about this,
740
00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:54.200
you know,
741
00:13:54.359 --> 00:13:54.659
the,
742
00:13:54.760 --> 00:13:55.799
the files,
743
00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:57.549
get people arguing,
744
00:13:57.760 --> 00:13:58.869
get people freaking out,
745
00:13:58.979 --> 00:14:00.960
make sure people know that Trump is named in it,
746
00:14:01.239 --> 00:14:01.559
make sure,
747
00:14:01.599 --> 00:14:01.830
you know,
748
00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.309
people know that our opposition is named in it,
749
00:14:04.520 --> 00:14:05.799
and that's all we really care about.
750
00:14:05.880 --> 00:14:08.000
We don't actually care about the victims themselves.
751
00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:08.760
That's what I think.
752
00:14:09.510 --> 00:14:09.979
Yeah.
753
00:14:10.190 --> 00:14:11.890
A question I have for you though is,
754
00:14:12.590 --> 00:14:12.890
because,
755
00:14:13.030 --> 00:14:13.409
so,
756
00:14:13.469 --> 00:14:14.190
we're kind of saying,
757
00:14:14.239 --> 00:14:14.729
OK,
758
00:14:15.109 --> 00:14:16.549
this bill is sort of toothless,
759
00:14:16.630 --> 00:14:19.210
this seems a little bit like political theater.
760
00:14:19.549 --> 00:14:20.190
Um,
761
00:14:20.469 --> 00:14:22.489
it's kind of meant to drag
762
00:14:22.940 --> 00:14:25.729
down the administration to be something that they kind of
763
00:14:26.369 --> 00:14:26.979
Uh,
764
00:14:27.260 --> 00:14:28.859
can't quite shake off.
765
00:14:29.179 --> 00:14:29.520
But
766
00:14:29.739 --> 00:14:31.789
then why was there bipartisan support,
767
00:14:31.859 --> 00:14:32.059
you know,
768
00:14:32.140 --> 00:14:33.159
like what do you think
769
00:14:33.539 --> 00:14:34.520
Massey has,
770
00:14:34.750 --> 00:14:35.340
um,
771
00:14:35.619 --> 00:14:38.729
like why was Massey so enthusiastically supporting it?
772
00:14:38.859 --> 00:14:39.020
I,
773
00:14:39.099 --> 00:14:41.820
I think that's kind of what I'm trying to understand is
774
00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:44.619
this was sort of unusual in that it was bipartisan.
775
00:14:45.450 --> 00:14:45.539
Well,
776
00:14:45.609 --> 00:14:47.809
I think if we are honest about the fact
777
00:14:47.809 --> 00:14:50.330
that Trump is not actually implicated in these files,
778
00:14:50.409 --> 00:14:50.580
right?
779
00:14:50.650 --> 00:14:51.729
Like his name is all over them,
780
00:14:51.809 --> 00:14:54.030
but he's not implicated in any type of wrongdoing.
781
00:14:54.289 --> 00:14:55.429
And in
782
00:14:56.010 --> 00:14:57.210
digging into the files,
783
00:14:57.250 --> 00:14:58.770
you'll see that it's actually.
784
00:14:59.469 --> 00:15:00.619
A bit more
785
00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.440
left leaning when we're talking about actual implication,
786
00:15:03.760 --> 00:15:05.820
who is actually implied as being,
787
00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:06.369
uh,
788
00:15:06.479 --> 00:15:06.929
you know,
789
00:15:07.359 --> 00:15:08.780
a perpetrator of these crimes,
790
00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:09.039
right?
791
00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.489
So I think it made sense for Massey to push for this one,
792
00:15:12.500 --> 00:15:13.150
because again,
793
00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.140
it was a huge running point in
794
00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:15.520
Trump's.
795
00:15:15.630 --> 00:15:15.989
Campaign.
796
00:15:16.309 --> 00:15:17.229
So it has to look,
797
00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:19.669
or at least you know we have to receive it as
798
00:15:19.989 --> 00:15:21.429
the left and the right
799
00:15:21.619 --> 00:15:24.390
are involved and interested in getting this done
800
00:15:24.390 --> 00:15:26.070
because that was something that Trump ran on.
801
00:15:26.349 --> 00:15:26.909
But
802
00:15:27.789 --> 00:15:29.049
in regards to
803
00:15:29.280 --> 00:15:31.799
whether or not I think they actually care.
804
00:15:32.260 --> 00:15:32.659
I don't,
805
00:15:32.739 --> 00:15:34.059
I don't think anyone actually cares.
806
00:15:34.140 --> 00:15:34.609
I think that,
807
00:15:34.690 --> 00:15:35.130
and again,
808
00:15:35.219 --> 00:15:36.179
I like Donald Trump,
809
00:15:36.489 --> 00:15:37.450
voted for him happily,
810
00:15:37.530 --> 00:15:38.960
but I do know that he is
811
00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:40.260
a very good salesman,
812
00:15:40.340 --> 00:15:41.380
a very good politician,
813
00:15:41.450 --> 00:15:42.500
a very good businessman.
814
00:15:42.619 --> 00:15:46.369
So when we see something as a hot button topic as the Epstein files,
815
00:15:46.619 --> 00:15:47.900
I wasn't surprised that,
816
00:15:47.979 --> 00:15:48.580
you know,
817
00:15:49.059 --> 00:15:49.849
he pushed it,
818
00:15:50.020 --> 00:15:53.119
and then the left received it because they thought that they were going to get a win.
819
00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:55.010
And then they didn't.
820
00:15:55.169 --> 00:15:56.469
And so this is just
821
00:15:57.130 --> 00:15:57.969
them kind of eating,
822
00:15:58.049 --> 00:15:58.289
you know,
823
00:15:58.489 --> 00:15:58.909
almost.
824
00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:00.429
The proverbial,
825
00:16:00.539 --> 00:16:01.010
you know,
826
00:16:01.359 --> 00:16:01.960
I don't want to curse,
827
00:16:02.020 --> 00:16:03.320
but the stew,
828
00:16:03.369 --> 00:16:03.880
if you will,
829
00:16:04.049 --> 00:16:04.570
you could swear,
830
00:16:04.580 --> 00:16:04.969
it's OK,
831
00:16:05.049 --> 00:16:05.750
we'll bleep you.
832
00:16:06.859 --> 00:16:07.250
But you know,
833
00:16:07.299 --> 00:16:08.010
they kind of like,
834
00:16:08.140 --> 00:16:08.640
like
835
00:16:09.059 --> 00:16:09.289
they,
836
00:16:09.380 --> 00:16:09.820
they.
837
00:16:10.830 --> 00:16:11.489
Put their own,
838
00:16:11.630 --> 00:16:12.250
um,
839
00:16:12.270 --> 00:16:12.979
foot in their own mouth,
840
00:16:13.049 --> 00:16:13.190
right?
841
00:16:13.270 --> 00:16:13.700
Like they,
842
00:16:13.750 --> 00:16:14.619
they wanted something,
843
00:16:14.669 --> 00:16:15.390
they pushed for it very,
844
00:16:15.469 --> 00:16:16.200
very heavily,
845
00:16:16.429 --> 00:16:17.239
and now you,
846
00:16:17.429 --> 00:16:18.390
I was just thinking about this,
847
00:16:18.469 --> 00:16:18.630
you know,
848
00:16:18.710 --> 00:16:19.669
we're not seeing
849
00:16:19.830 --> 00:16:21.229
as much conversation about it
850
00:16:21.359 --> 00:16:21.820
every day,
851
00:16:21.909 --> 00:16:22.059
right,
852
00:16:22.070 --> 00:16:22.659
in the news.
853
00:16:22.710 --> 00:16:23.830
A lot of people have dropped it.
854
00:16:23.909 --> 00:16:24.739
Now we're on to IC,
855
00:16:24.869 --> 00:16:25.590
now we're on to,
856
00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:25.869
you know,
857
00:16:25.989 --> 00:16:26.469
whatever,
858
00:16:26.590 --> 00:16:27.049
now it's
859
00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:27.859
Ian.
860
00:16:28.119 --> 00:16:31.789
Like as soon as they realized that they could not get Trump specifically,
861
00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:33.000
they stopped caring.
862
00:16:33.280 --> 00:16:34.520
They just don't care as much,
863
00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:35.039
you know,
864
00:16:35.150 --> 00:16:35.979
but I think that
865
00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.020
to answer your point or your question,
866
00:16:38.359 --> 00:16:41.700
it had to come from the right as much as the left because
867
00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:43.719
Trump did run on it and Trump ran on it
868
00:16:43.719 --> 00:16:45.460
because he knew that he wasn't going to be implicated.
869
00:16:46.299 --> 00:16:46.309
Hm,
870
00:16:47.140 --> 00:16:48.859
so you don't have any concerns.
871
00:16:48.900 --> 00:16:49.289
I mean,
872
00:16:49.460 --> 00:16:50.210
I agree with you,
873
00:16:50.299 --> 00:16:50.599
like,
874
00:16:50.619 --> 00:16:51.500
as far as I know,
875
00:16:51.570 --> 00:16:52.500
there's no like
876
00:16:52.739 --> 00:16:54.210
evidence that would.
877
00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:56.010
Actually
878
00:16:56.669 --> 00:16:58.190
suggest that Trump committed crimes,
879
00:16:58.270 --> 00:17:00.130
but are you concerned about
880
00:17:00.510 --> 00:17:04.209
any of like the deep association like the drawing of the woman,
881
00:17:04.630 --> 00:17:04.939
uh,
882
00:17:04.989 --> 00:17:06.108
of the naked woman,
883
00:17:06.118 --> 00:17:07.209
or the,
884
00:17:07.589 --> 00:17:08.449
you know,
885
00:17:09.108 --> 00:17:09.329
the,
886
00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:11.060
the beauty pageants that Trump,
887
00:17:11.368 --> 00:17:13.219
Trump allegedly was a part of that,
888
00:17:13.310 --> 00:17:13.430
you know,
889
00:17:13.510 --> 00:17:14.699
Epstein had involvement in?
890
00:17:14.780 --> 00:17:14.989
I mean,
891
00:17:15.030 --> 00:17:16.189
it is like deep,
892
00:17:16.270 --> 00:17:17.239
deep ties.
893
00:17:18.159 --> 00:17:18.519
Well,
894
00:17:18.678 --> 00:17:19.279
so,
895
00:17:19.788 --> 00:17:20.948
and this is where people are going to say,
896
00:17:21.029 --> 00:17:21.078
Oh,
897
00:17:21.159 --> 00:17:21.259
you're,
898
00:17:21.398 --> 00:17:21.628
you know,
899
00:17:21.688 --> 00:17:23.858
you're making excuses for these bad guys.
900
00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:25.499
I am a realist
901
00:17:25.848 --> 00:17:29.688
who is aware of the realities of what Hollywood is like,
902
00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:31.068
the realities of what,
903
00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:31.509
you know,
904
00:17:31.948 --> 00:17:32.269
the,
905
00:17:32.399 --> 00:17:34.558
the hierarchy of our society is like,
906
00:17:34.678 --> 00:17:34.879
right?
907
00:17:35.038 --> 00:17:36.188
So I'm from New York,
908
00:17:36.239 --> 00:17:36.619
like
909
00:17:37.239 --> 00:17:40.058
I'm not old enough to remember when Page Six was a thing,
910
00:17:40.159 --> 00:17:43.499
but you know people have always been socialites in this city.
911
00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:45.818
And if you know people.
912
00:17:46.199 --> 00:17:49.239
If you know how that life is and what that world is,
913
00:17:49.530 --> 00:17:52.430
I don't blame people for associations into something
914
00:17:52.430 --> 00:17:55.329
that has already been an existing framework of,
915
00:17:55.449 --> 00:17:55.689
you know,
916
00:17:55.890 --> 00:17:56.489
debauchery,
917
00:17:56.569 --> 00:17:57.209
let's call it that,
918
00:17:57.290 --> 00:17:57.500
right?
919
00:17:57.650 --> 00:17:57.949
So
920
00:17:58.170 --> 00:17:58.579
I
921
00:18:00.569 --> 00:18:01.239
I'll say it like this.
922
00:18:01.290 --> 00:18:02.050
This is what I say.
923
00:18:02.729 --> 00:18:03.160
You know,
924
00:18:03.449 --> 00:18:04.250
2016,
925
00:18:04.290 --> 00:18:04.969
they freaked out.
926
00:18:05.050 --> 00:18:05.209
Oh,
927
00:18:05.329 --> 00:18:07.119
he says he grabs women by the,
928
00:18:07.250 --> 00:18:07.420
right?
929
00:18:07.489 --> 00:18:08.640
Like that was the whole thing.
930
00:18:08.849 --> 00:18:09.239
And it's like,
931
00:18:09.290 --> 00:18:09.640
no,
932
00:18:09.770 --> 00:18:11.170
what he actually said was,
933
00:18:11.489 --> 00:18:12.819
the women of today.
934
00:18:13.770 --> 00:18:15.949
They are so eager to be,
935
00:18:15.969 --> 00:18:16.369
you know,
936
00:18:16.569 --> 00:18:17.079
chosen,
937
00:18:17.130 --> 00:18:17.650
etc.
938
00:18:17.930 --> 00:18:20.630
that you could literally walk up and grab them
939
00:18:21.329 --> 00:18:22.890
by the vagina and it wouldn't,
940
00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:23.130
you know,
941
00:18:23.250 --> 00:18:24.239
they wouldn't stop you.
942
00:18:24.650 --> 00:18:28.910
So what he's doing in that instance is he's pointing out the reality.
943
00:18:29.489 --> 00:18:31.369
It is less upsetting to me because I don't,
944
00:18:31.449 --> 00:18:34.270
I don't blame someone for pointing out the reality of society,
945
00:18:34.530 --> 00:18:34.650
right?
946
00:18:34.729 --> 00:18:35.770
Like I'm not going to blame anyone.
947
00:18:35.849 --> 00:18:36.910
I told a friend of mine
948
00:18:37.130 --> 00:18:38.099
who was so,
949
00:18:38.250 --> 00:18:38.420
you know,
950
00:18:38.569 --> 00:18:38.650
like,
951
00:18:38.729 --> 00:18:38.890
Oh,
952
00:18:39.069 --> 00:18:39.839
I can't believe you said that.
953
00:18:39.849 --> 00:18:40.250
I was like,
954
00:18:40.750 --> 00:18:41.000
Dude,
955
00:18:41.069 --> 00:18:43.829
I remember one time I asked you to crack my
956
00:18:43.829 --> 00:18:45.689
back and you started giving me a back massage.
957
00:18:46.109 --> 00:18:47.109
And it's like you didn't want,
958
00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:47.310
you know,
959
00:18:47.349 --> 00:18:48.390
you're not trying to be a creep,
960
00:18:48.630 --> 00:18:49.420
but you're a creep.
961
00:18:49.579 --> 00:18:50.459
Some people are creeps,
962
00:18:50.469 --> 00:18:51.790
and they don't mean to be creeps,
963
00:18:51.829 --> 00:18:54.050
but there's a creepy nature in our overall,
964
00:18:54.390 --> 00:18:54.589
you know,
965
00:18:54.790 --> 00:18:56.349
male to female demographic here.
966
00:18:56.469 --> 00:18:56.849
So
967
00:18:57.310 --> 00:18:58.140
saying that to say,
968
00:18:58.150 --> 00:18:59.250
when I see that.
969
00:19:00.369 --> 00:19:01.530
Someone like Trump
970
00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:02.510
was.
971
00:19:03.449 --> 00:19:04.569
A page sixter
972
00:19:04.979 --> 00:19:06.569
since he was in his early 20s,
973
00:19:06.719 --> 00:19:07.010
right?
974
00:19:07.260 --> 00:19:09.250
He has been a super rich billionaire,
975
00:19:09.310 --> 00:19:10.839
a super rich playboy,
976
00:19:11.579 --> 00:19:13.079
since his early 20s.
977
00:19:13.459 --> 00:19:15.819
The fact that he is not implicated
978
00:19:15.979 --> 00:19:17.739
in something truly heinous
979
00:19:17.900 --> 00:19:19.369
is really a good thing,
980
00:19:19.660 --> 00:19:22.839
because he grew up in the time or came up in the time where we have the
981
00:19:23.060 --> 00:19:23.219
R.
982
00:19:23.339 --> 00:19:23.739
Kelly's,
983
00:19:23.810 --> 00:19:23.939
you know,
984
00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:24.290
P.
985
00:19:24.300 --> 00:19:26.439
Diddy doing all of his horrible things.
986
00:19:27.589 --> 00:19:29.550
Bill Cosby doing his horrible things.
987
00:19:29.869 --> 00:19:31.060
So for it to just be,
988
00:19:31.150 --> 00:19:31.270
oh,
989
00:19:31.310 --> 00:19:32.550
he's a little bit of a creep,
990
00:19:32.829 --> 00:19:33.750
he's a little bit of a,
991
00:19:33.829 --> 00:19:34.250
you know.
992
00:19:35.270 --> 00:19:36.469
Nasty old man or something,
993
00:19:36.510 --> 00:19:36.910
if you will.
994
00:19:36.969 --> 00:19:37.270
I'm like,
995
00:19:37.329 --> 00:19:38.630
I got to give him at least a little bit of
996
00:19:38.630 --> 00:19:41.010
grace because for him to have been in that society,
997
00:19:41.069 --> 00:19:41.900
in that world,
998
00:19:42.150 --> 00:19:43.189
ingrained in it
999
00:19:43.349 --> 00:19:44.729
and not be
1000
00:19:44.989 --> 00:19:46.270
a full blown predator
1001
00:19:46.430 --> 00:19:46.530
is
1002
00:19:46.630 --> 00:19:47.510
is actually,
1003
00:19:47.709 --> 00:19:48.540
in my opinion,
1004
00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:50.489
the best we could ask of somebody who
1005
00:19:51.109 --> 00:19:51.949
lived in all of that.
1006
00:19:52.750 --> 00:19:53.229
Hm
1007
00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:54.380
Andrew,
1008
00:19:54.430 --> 00:19:54.780
do you,
1009
00:19:54.829 --> 00:19:55.510
uh,
1010
00:19:55.670 --> 00:19:57.170
do you have the same
1011
00:19:57.589 --> 00:19:58.310
grace for,
1012
00:19:58.430 --> 00:19:58.810
for Trump?
1013
00:19:58.869 --> 00:19:59.150
I'm not,
1014
00:19:59.229 --> 00:20:01.050
I'm not entirely sure where you stand.
1015
00:20:01.750 --> 00:20:02.459
Um,
1016
00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:03.479
no,
1017
00:20:03.560 --> 00:20:04.989
I don't have the same grace,
1018
00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:05.579
of course.
1019
00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:07.439
I am on the other side of the aisle after all,
1020
00:20:07.719 --> 00:20:08.239
but I
1021
00:20:08.530 --> 00:20:08.770
I don't,
1022
00:20:08.810 --> 00:20:08.979
I don't,
1023
00:20:09.050 --> 00:20:10.890
I don't necessarily have the same like forgiveness that,
1024
00:20:10.979 --> 00:20:11.829
that Marianne has,
1025
00:20:11.910 --> 00:20:13.800
but I also don't have like the same,
1026
00:20:13.810 --> 00:20:14.359
um,
1027
00:20:14.609 --> 00:20:17.910
like fervor that a lot of people on the left have for the Epstein Files issue.
1028
00:20:18.130 --> 00:20:18.329
Um,
1029
00:20:18.569 --> 00:20:18.930
like I said,
1030
00:20:18.969 --> 00:20:19.449
this whole,
1031
00:20:19.530 --> 00:20:19.810
this whole,
1032
00:20:19.890 --> 00:20:22.250
the whole Epstein Files thing for me is just about honesty.
1033
00:20:22.479 --> 00:20:22.930
Um,
1034
00:20:23.209 --> 00:20:23.750
and then
1035
00:20:24.050 --> 00:20:24.729
honesty on one hand,
1036
00:20:24.829 --> 00:20:25.599
on like the,
1037
00:20:25.890 --> 00:20:28.040
that's more my like position on the,
1038
00:20:28.209 --> 00:20:28.949
like the bill
1039
00:20:29.209 --> 00:20:30.250
and the release of the files.
1040
00:20:30.290 --> 00:20:30.400
Like,
1041
00:20:30.410 --> 00:20:32.400
I just want everyone to be honest about the situation we're facing,
1042
00:20:32.449 --> 00:20:32.569
right?
1043
00:20:32.619 --> 00:20:32.839
That's,
1044
00:20:32.900 --> 00:20:33.959
that's all I want on that side.
1045
00:20:34.130 --> 00:20:35.170
And then on the actual,
1046
00:20:35.180 --> 00:20:35.510
like,
1047
00:20:35.930 --> 00:20:36.089
you know,
1048
00:20:36.209 --> 00:20:37.910
what did people actually do?
1049
00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:38.719
Uh,
1050
00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.880
my main issue is just getting justice if crimes were committed.
1051
00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:42.390
And I,
1052
00:20:42.439 --> 00:20:43.719
I don't actually think that the,
1053
00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:44.959
this whole Epstein File saga,
1054
00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.390
the way it's,
1055
00:20:45.439 --> 00:20:45.599
you know,
1056
00:20:45.719 --> 00:20:46.640
the way we've gone about it,
1057
00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:47.199
is,
1058
00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:47.670
um,
1059
00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.920
is like very conducive to actually getting justice for,
1060
00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:51.199
you know,
1061
00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:52.319
any crimes that were committed,
1062
00:20:52.520 --> 00:20:52.880
um.
1063
00:20:53.689 --> 00:20:54.800
Like I could pose you a hypothetical.
1064
00:20:54.849 --> 00:20:55.119
Let's say,
1065
00:20:55.170 --> 00:20:55.290
you know,
1066
00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:55.849
that we,
1067
00:20:55.949 --> 00:20:57.400
we saw in the,
1068
00:20:57.520 --> 00:20:57.689
you know,
1069
00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:58.229
files,
1070
00:20:58.280 --> 00:20:59.280
in the release of files,
1071
00:20:59.530 --> 00:21:02.250
there was an FBI witness interview form that,
1072
00:21:02.329 --> 00:21:03.109
that was released
1073
00:21:03.219 --> 00:21:03.530
that had,
1074
00:21:03.650 --> 00:21:03.770
uh,
1075
00:21:03.849 --> 00:21:03.969
you know,
1076
00:21:04.050 --> 00:21:04.369
it was a,
1077
00:21:04.489 --> 00:21:05.810
it was a woman or a girl can,
1078
00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:06.229
uh,
1079
00:21:06.869 --> 00:21:08.750
Accusing Trump of sexually assaulting her.
1080
00:21:09.030 --> 00:21:09.109
Now,
1081
00:21:09.150 --> 00:21:09.800
let's say
1082
00:21:10.030 --> 00:21:10.670
that that one,
1083
00:21:10.750 --> 00:21:10.949
that,
1084
00:21:11.030 --> 00:21:11.869
that witness interview for,
1085
00:21:11.989 --> 00:21:13.130
let's say the FBI investigated,
1086
00:21:13.329 --> 00:21:13.339
well,
1087
00:21:13.390 --> 00:21:13.530
I mean,
1088
00:21:13.579 --> 00:21:13.949
they would have,
1089
00:21:14.030 --> 00:21:14.630
they definitely did.
1090
00:21:14.829 --> 00:21:14.979
But,
1091
00:21:15.060 --> 00:21:15.229
you know,
1092
00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:16.869
that witness statement gets made,
1093
00:21:16.910 --> 00:21:19.170
the FBI investigates and they find out it's not credible.
1094
00:21:19.349 --> 00:21:19.589
Uh,
1095
00:21:19.739 --> 00:21:19.829
you know,
1096
00:21:19.939 --> 00:21:20.589
this girl lied.
1097
00:21:20.630 --> 00:21:20.760
She was,
1098
00:21:20.910 --> 00:21:21.030
you know,
1099
00:21:21.150 --> 00:21:21.550
Trump was,
1100
00:21:21.630 --> 00:21:21.640
uh,
1101
00:21:21.750 --> 00:21:21.910
you know,
1102
00:21:21.949 --> 00:21:22.869
at the time she said this happened,
1103
00:21:22.989 --> 00:21:24.030
Trump was on the other side of the country.
1104
00:21:24.140 --> 00:21:24.560
She was over here.
1105
00:21:24.790 --> 00:21:25.180
Not credible,
1106
00:21:25.229 --> 00:21:25.400
right?
1107
00:21:25.550 --> 00:21:25.609
Now,
1108
00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.310
let's say there's a second one in there,
1109
00:21:27.750 --> 00:21:27.910
same,
1110
00:21:27.989 --> 00:21:28.109
you know,
1111
00:21:28.229 --> 00:21:28.729
same situation,
1112
00:21:28.810 --> 00:21:29.880
FBI witness interview,
1113
00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:30.589
um,
1114
00:21:30.959 --> 00:21:33.400
And another girl says that Trump sexually assaulted her.
1115
00:21:33.560 --> 00:21:34.359
And it turns out,
1116
00:21:34.550 --> 00:21:34.640
you know,
1117
00:21:34.719 --> 00:21:36.640
the FBI investigates and it turns out that that is credible.
1118
00:21:36.800 --> 00:21:37.189
And then,
1119
00:21:37.199 --> 00:21:37.589
let's say that,
1120
00:21:37.619 --> 00:21:37.760
you know,
1121
00:21:37.829 --> 00:21:38.709
they do a deeper investigation,
1122
00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:40.439
they find a mountain of evidence.
1123
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:40.920
Again,
1124
00:21:41.010 --> 00:21:41.800
all hypothetical here,
1125
00:21:41.959 --> 00:21:43.079
but they find a mountain of evidence that it,
1126
00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:44.319
that it actually did happen.
1127
00:21:44.719 --> 00:21:45.040
Um,
1128
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:45.349
and so,
1129
00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:45.560
you know,
1130
00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:46.760
2029 comes around,
1131
00:21:46.869 --> 00:21:47.640
Trump's no longer in office,
1132
00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:48.239
and the FBI goes,
1133
00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:48.790
you know what,
1134
00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.680
we've got mountains of evidence that this is real,
1135
00:21:50.739 --> 00:21:51.949
that he did sexually assault this woman.
1136
00:21:52.189 --> 00:21:53.560
We want to prosecute.
1137
00:21:53.760 --> 00:21:53.880
Well,
1138
00:21:53.959 --> 00:21:55.199
now what you've done by,
1139
00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:56.800
by just dumping all the files,
1140
00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:58.520
what you've done is you've created an argument for,
1141
00:21:58.660 --> 00:22:00.239
for Trump and his legal team to say,
1142
00:22:00.439 --> 00:22:00.630
uh,
1143
00:22:00.719 --> 00:22:00.839
well,
1144
00:22:00.959 --> 00:22:04.040
how am I supposed to get a fair trial now when you've put out all of this,
1145
00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:04.199
you know,
1146
00:22:04.280 --> 00:22:05.310
you've put out all of this,
1147
00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:05.780
uh,
1148
00:22:06.199 --> 00:22:06.479
you know,
1149
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.510
incriminating stuff against me in the files releases that it's like 90% untrue.
1150
00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:11.800
I can never get a fair trial now.
1151
00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:12.050
And,
1152
00:22:12.199 --> 00:22:12.469
you know,
1153
00:22:12.479 --> 00:22:12.560
that.
1154
00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.140
That might be a colorable argument where,
1155
00:22:14.329 --> 00:22:14.459
you know,
1156
00:22:14.619 --> 00:22:15.400
some courts go,
1157
00:22:15.900 --> 00:22:16.140
yeah,
1158
00:22:16.260 --> 00:22:17.859
he probably can't get a fair trial because of this,
1159
00:22:17.939 --> 00:22:18.150
so we're,
1160
00:22:18.219 --> 00:22:18.290
we're,
1161
00:22:18.380 --> 00:22:18.500
you know,
1162
00:22:18.699 --> 00:22:19.699
we're not gonna be able to move forward with this.
1163
00:22:19.900 --> 00:22:21.459
So I actually don't think that the way we've gone about,
1164
00:22:21.619 --> 00:22:21.770
like,
1165
00:22:21.780 --> 00:22:25.150
my main issue is honesty on the side of the people trying to get the files released,
1166
00:22:25.300 --> 00:22:25.680
and then,
1167
00:22:26.060 --> 00:22:26.250
uh,
1168
00:22:26.260 --> 00:22:28.329
justice for any crimes that really were committed.
1169
00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:29.290
And I don't think that,
1170
00:22:29.500 --> 00:22:30.859
I don't think I'm getting either one of those right now.
1171
00:22:31.020 --> 00:22:31.180
You know,
1172
00:22:31.260 --> 00:22:31.579
by the way,
1173
00:22:31.660 --> 00:22:32.380
we've got all about this.
1174
00:22:32.430 --> 00:22:35.780
I feel like I'm being lied to on all sides from all angles about like why,
1175
00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:36.819
why we're doing this,
1176
00:22:36.979 --> 00:22:37.099
uh,
1177
00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:37.300
you know,
1178
00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:38.300
why this decision was made,
1179
00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:38.939
why do it this way,
1180
00:22:39.010 --> 00:22:39.770
why do it that way?
1181
00:22:39.979 --> 00:22:40.469
And then,
1182
00:22:40.900 --> 00:22:41.060
You know,
1183
00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:43.079
the actual actions themselves aren't really conducive
1184
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:44.420
to getting justice for any crimes.
1185
00:22:44.579 --> 00:22:44.920
So,
1186
00:22:45.089 --> 00:22:45.339
uh,
1187
00:22:45.579 --> 00:22:46.140
or at least,
1188
00:22:46.290 --> 00:22:46.420
you know,
1189
00:22:46.489 --> 00:22:47.979
maybe they are in some way.
1190
00:22:48.020 --> 00:22:49.500
You might be able to make some argument for a while,
1191
00:22:49.560 --> 00:22:49.819
like,
1192
00:22:50.010 --> 00:22:50.170
uh,
1193
00:22:50.260 --> 00:22:50.540
you know,
1194
00:22:50.939 --> 00:22:53.229
maybe the FBI was never gonna go after this or that
1195
00:22:53.229 --> 00:22:54.859
or the DOJ was never gonna go after this or that,
1196
00:22:55.020 --> 00:22:55.599
but now that it's
1197
00:22:55.819 --> 00:22:57.530
in the public and everybody's real upset about it,
1198
00:22:57.569 --> 00:22:59.500
maybe now there's pressure to do so and they'll try,
1199
00:22:59.739 --> 00:23:00.119
um.
1200
00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:00.430
But
1201
00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:01.290
you know,
1202
00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:02.819
for every one of those arguments you can make,
1203
00:23:02.900 --> 00:23:05.020
I can make another in the opposite direction like I just did,
1204
00:23:05.099 --> 00:23:05.239
right?
1205
00:23:05.339 --> 00:23:05.689
Or if it's like,
1206
00:23:05.760 --> 00:23:05.819
well,
1207
00:23:05.859 --> 00:23:08.400
now you're just giving him another legal argument to get everything dismissed.
1208
00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:08.920
Um,
1209
00:23:09.300 --> 00:23:10.290
so I just feel like I,
1210
00:23:10.300 --> 00:23:11.569
I'm just getting screwed at all sides,
1211
00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:12.319
it feels like.
1212
00:23:13.540 --> 00:23:16.400
There's also just the fact that once you release the files,
1213
00:23:16.459 --> 00:23:18.500
and that is a huge bundle.
1214
00:23:18.589 --> 00:23:19.469
Of evidence.
1215
00:23:19.550 --> 00:23:21.609
Now you have people that could easily go
1216
00:23:21.949 --> 00:23:23.050
and destroy
1217
00:23:23.310 --> 00:23:24.810
the incriminating evidence,
1218
00:23:25.030 --> 00:23:25.229
you know,
1219
00:23:25.339 --> 00:23:25.989
on their end,
1220
00:23:26.069 --> 00:23:26.270
right?
1221
00:23:26.430 --> 00:23:26.979
So I just,
1222
00:23:27.030 --> 00:23:30.170
I find it very strange that in an active case,
1223
00:23:30.550 --> 00:23:34.589
it made sense to release one of the biggest packages of evidence that we have.
1224
00:23:34.660 --> 00:23:35.619
It was just very,
1225
00:23:35.949 --> 00:23:36.670
very strange.
1226
00:23:37.569 --> 00:23:37.689
Oh,
1227
00:23:37.790 --> 00:23:37.959
and I,
1228
00:23:38.030 --> 00:23:38.160
I,
1229
00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:39.420
I do want to cut in just to say,
1230
00:23:39.770 --> 00:23:40.680
because this is initially,
1231
00:23:40.729 --> 00:23:41.810
I think what you were trying to get at when,
1232
00:23:41.890 --> 00:23:43.209
when you turned to me and asked the question,
1233
00:23:43.449 --> 00:23:43.760
um,
1234
00:23:43.910 --> 00:23:44.010
uh,
1235
00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:44.280
you know,
1236
00:23:44.410 --> 00:23:45.089
on how,
1237
00:23:45.250 --> 00:23:46.969
whether I give as much grace to Trump as,
1238
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:47.630
as she does.
1239
00:23:47.810 --> 00:23:48.180
Um,
1240
00:23:48.729 --> 00:23:49.290
the answer is still no,
1241
00:23:49.369 --> 00:23:49.810
I don't,
1242
00:23:50.010 --> 00:23:50.650
but I will say,
1243
00:23:50.729 --> 00:23:51.000
and I,
1244
00:23:51.089 --> 00:23:52.449
I guess I want to have it on record,
1245
00:23:52.530 --> 00:23:52.790
like,
1246
00:23:52.930 --> 00:23:53.050
I,
1247
00:23:53.130 --> 00:23:54.150
I have seen nothing
1248
00:23:54.609 --> 00:23:55.530
that would indicate,
1249
00:23:55.650 --> 00:23:55.770
you know,
1250
00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:56.800
that gives me like,
1251
00:23:56.849 --> 00:23:57.119
uh,
1252
00:23:57.250 --> 00:23:59.329
at least like probable cause in my head where I'm like,
1253
00:23:59.369 --> 00:23:59.680
you know,
1254
00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:01.369
there's a decent chance he did commit these crimes.
1255
00:24:01.410 --> 00:24:02.250
I haven't seen that yet.
1256
00:24:02.310 --> 00:24:03.310
I'm not saying it doesn't exist,
1257
00:24:03.650 --> 00:24:04.790
but I don't think it's been released.
1258
00:24:04.890 --> 00:24:05.079
You know,
1259
00:24:05.209 --> 00:24:05.890
people will point to,
1260
00:24:06.010 --> 00:24:06.119
like,
1261
00:24:06.199 --> 00:24:06.290
you know,
1262
00:24:06.380 --> 00:24:07.189
people will point to the,
1263
00:24:07.650 --> 00:24:07.819
Uh,
1264
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:08.020
you know,
1265
00:24:08.060 --> 00:24:08.939
the FBI witness,
1266
00:24:09.030 --> 00:24:09.170
uh,
1267
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:10.760
interview form that was released,
1268
00:24:10.979 --> 00:24:11.280
but
1269
00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:13.319
the FBI said they investigated that.
1270
00:24:13.699 --> 00:24:14.099
And,
1271
00:24:14.219 --> 00:24:14.410
uh,
1272
00:24:14.489 --> 00:24:14.660
you know,
1273
00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:16.540
they said they investigated that and they found no
1274
00:24:16.540 --> 00:24:18.359
credible evidence to move forward any further than that.
1275
00:24:18.569 --> 00:24:18.760
And,
1276
00:24:19.020 --> 00:24:19.140
you know,
1277
00:24:19.209 --> 00:24:19.819
the way I look at it,
1278
00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:20.479
I trust,
1279
00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:20.859
you know,
1280
00:24:21.260 --> 00:24:21.530
no,
1281
00:24:21.939 --> 00:24:22.540
not anymore.
1282
00:24:22.739 --> 00:24:22.849
Uh,
1283
00:24:22.939 --> 00:24:23.060
you know,
1284
00:24:23.140 --> 00:24:24.579
under the Trump regime under the Trump regime,
1285
00:24:24.619 --> 00:24:24.979
I don't,
1286
00:24:25.260 --> 00:24:26.500
but I trust our institutions.
1287
00:24:26.579 --> 00:24:27.859
So if the FBI is gonna tell me,
1288
00:24:28.270 --> 00:24:28.520
Uh,
1289
00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:29.160
this interview,
1290
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:29.439
you know,
1291
00:24:29.479 --> 00:24:29.630
this,
1292
00:24:29.719 --> 00:24:30.640
this witness came in.
1293
00:24:30.959 --> 00:24:31.829
We did this interview.
1294
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:33.150
We investigated her claims.
1295
00:24:33.199 --> 00:24:33.839
We found nothing.
1296
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:34.640
If they're gonna tell me that,
1297
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.119
I believe them.
1298
00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:36.560
And so for me that's not evidence.
1299
00:24:36.719 --> 00:24:36.989
So when,
1300
00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:37.199
you know,
1301
00:24:37.489 --> 00:24:37.640
I,
1302
00:24:37.719 --> 00:24:39.859
I've seen nothing that says Trump did any criminal
1303
00:24:40.280 --> 00:24:40.739
behavior.
1304
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:41.439
Yeah,
1305
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:42.880
let's refresh our memory a little bit.
1306
00:24:42.959 --> 00:24:43.119
I mean,
1307
00:24:43.219 --> 00:24:43.229
I,
1308
00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:45.000
what I hear from both of you is like process.
1309
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.739
There's a process we have for this,
1310
00:24:46.800 --> 00:24:49.430
and that is kind of bigger than,
1311
00:24:49.439 --> 00:24:49.910
um,
1312
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:51.880
than the headlines and kind of the,
1313
00:24:51.989 --> 00:24:52.819
the vibes,
1314
00:24:53.199 --> 00:24:55.599
but there's a lot of vibes in the Epstein stuff,
1315
00:24:55.800 --> 00:24:56.780
so many vibes.
1316
00:24:57.310 --> 00:24:57.520
OK,
1317
00:24:57.589 --> 00:24:58.040
I'm gonna,
1318
00:24:58.160 --> 00:24:58.979
I'm going to share
1319
00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:00.479
a clip,
1320
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:01.040
Marianne.
1321
00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:03.839
This is the first time you sat down with Roe.
1322
00:25:04.040 --> 00:25:04.790
You're absolutely right.
1323
00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:05.040
I mean,
1324
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:06.410
there shouldn't be a witch hunt,
1325
00:25:06.560 --> 00:25:08.540
and there are a lot of people in those files
1326
00:25:09.689 --> 00:25:11.479
who are totally innocent who may be mentioned
1327
00:25:11.959 --> 00:25:13.699
because they were in a news story
1328
00:25:13.800 --> 00:25:15.040
or may be mentioned
1329
00:25:15.760 --> 00:25:18.579
because someone was talking about them in an email,
1330
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.920
and I do not want this to be in any way like
1331
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.979
a McCarthy hunt that just because you're in the Epstein Files.
1332
00:25:24.300 --> 00:25:25.020
are guilty.
1333
00:25:25.339 --> 00:25:26.040
On the other hand,
1334
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:27.800
and you would probably acknowledge this,
1335
00:25:28.060 --> 00:25:29.839
there are a lot of rich and powerful people
1336
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.660
in those files who showed up on Epstein's Island
1337
00:25:32.939 --> 00:25:37.619
who raped or abused these girls who had girls trafficked to them,
1338
00:25:37.699 --> 00:25:39.329
and they thought they were above the law.
1339
00:25:39.579 --> 00:25:40.339
And I'm concerned.
1340
00:25:40.420 --> 00:25:43.119
Why are those people not being investigated and prosecuted?
1341
00:25:43.180 --> 00:25:45.060
So we need to be going after the Epstein class.
1342
00:25:45.140 --> 00:25:47.020
We don't need to go after every single person.
1343
00:25:47.219 --> 00:25:47.579
And by the way,
1344
00:25:47.699 --> 00:25:49.410
Massey and I never made this about Trump.
1345
00:25:50.010 --> 00:25:51.260
Now there is an allegation.
1346
00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:52.729
About one person,
1347
00:25:52.810 --> 00:25:53.989
one woman who claims
1348
00:25:54.170 --> 00:25:58.430
that she was abused or raped by President Trump when she was 13.
1349
00:25:58.689 --> 00:26:00.170
I don't know if that's true or not.
1350
00:26:00.270 --> 00:26:03.449
What I do believe is that the files in that case should come out,
1351
00:26:03.489 --> 00:26:04.369
and I hear what you're saying.
1352
00:26:04.489 --> 00:26:06.069
The question I would ask you is,
1353
00:26:06.609 --> 00:26:07.550
how much
1354
00:26:07.930 --> 00:26:08.500
proof
1355
00:26:08.729 --> 00:26:09.930
should we ask for,
1356
00:26:10.010 --> 00:26:10.180
right?
1357
00:26:10.280 --> 00:26:12.270
What is the burden of proof on the
1358
00:26:12.569 --> 00:26:13.689
people that are seeking?
1359
00:26:13.800 --> 00:26:14.359
Justice
1360
00:26:14.709 --> 00:26:15.180
to
1361
00:26:15.520 --> 00:26:18.800
demand that these names be released because the moment that a name is in those files,
1362
00:26:19.040 --> 00:26:21.479
these people have to deal with that in their real lives,
1363
00:26:21.560 --> 00:26:21.680
right?
1364
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.280
We're talking about people walking around with their children
1365
00:26:24.439 --> 00:26:26.640
that now have to deal with people attacking them online,
1366
00:26:26.959 --> 00:26:27.829
attacking them in public,
1367
00:26:27.959 --> 00:26:29.069
saying that they're pedophiles.
1368
00:26:29.239 --> 00:26:30.380
These people might have just
1369
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:31.319
known Epstein.
1370
00:26:31.390 --> 00:26:31.880
They might have just,
1371
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:32.079
you know,
1372
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:33.599
sold him a house for all you know,
1373
00:26:33.709 --> 00:26:33.959
right?
1374
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.640
So Marion,
1375
00:26:34.760 --> 00:26:35.900
that was the first time.
1376
00:26:37.239 --> 00:26:39.750
You sat down with him and it went on for quite a bit,
1377
00:26:40.239 --> 00:26:40.680
but again,
1378
00:26:40.760 --> 00:26:40.880
you,
1379
00:26:40.959 --> 00:26:41.079
you know,
1380
00:26:41.150 --> 00:26:43.130
you're kind of bringing up this um.
1381
00:26:44.979 --> 00:26:46.619
This concern for sort of.
1382
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:49.010
Dragging people through the mud.
1383
00:26:49.719 --> 00:26:51.939
But then something I've also heard
1384
00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:52.989
is that,
1385
00:26:53.449 --> 00:26:53.689
you know,
1386
00:26:53.770 --> 00:26:55.219
in other parts of the world,
1387
00:26:55.449 --> 00:26:56.469
people are
1388
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.239
facing accountability.
1389
00:26:58.449 --> 00:26:58.869
Like
1390
00:26:59.329 --> 00:27:02.989
people in Europe are quitting their jobs or they're getting fired
1391
00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:03.719
or,
1392
00:27:03.729 --> 00:27:03.890
you know,
1393
00:27:03.969 --> 00:27:05.290
they're losing their status.
1394
00:27:05.489 --> 00:27:07.150
Obviously Prince Andrew,
1395
00:27:07.459 --> 00:27:07.709
um,
1396
00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:10.729
it being the most high profile example of this.
1397
00:27:11.189 --> 00:27:14.319
And then there's the argument that in the United States there's no accountability.
1398
00:27:14.469 --> 00:27:15.109
So there's kind of,
1399
00:27:15.229 --> 00:27:15.359
I,
1400
00:27:15.510 --> 00:27:16.849
I hear both things like you're saying,
1401
00:27:16.949 --> 00:27:17.069
look,
1402
00:27:17.109 --> 00:27:19.290
this is unfair to anybody who's sort of
1403
00:27:19.420 --> 00:27:22.189
guilty by association in this court of public opinion,
1404
00:27:22.510 --> 00:27:25.290
but then I hear the counterargument a lot in the media where it's like,
1405
00:27:25.589 --> 00:27:27.050
there's not enough accountability
1406
00:27:27.910 --> 00:27:28.189
um for,
1407
00:27:28.329 --> 00:27:29.569
for these folks who
1408
00:27:30.430 --> 00:27:33.229
live in an elite circle above the law.
1409
00:27:33.550 --> 00:27:34.910
How do you split that?
1410
00:27:36.979 --> 00:27:37.750
I mean
1411
00:27:39.280 --> 00:27:40.119
It's twofold,
1412
00:27:40.239 --> 00:27:40.520
right?
1413
00:27:40.689 --> 00:27:41.500
So one,
1414
00:27:42.040 --> 00:27:42.479
I don't,
1415
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:42.839
I mean,
1416
00:27:42.959 --> 00:27:46.670
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
1417
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:47.869
Not accused,
1418
00:27:48.010 --> 00:27:48.839
not suspected,
1419
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:50.619
but innocent until proven
1420
00:27:50.959 --> 00:27:51.359
guilty,
1421
00:27:51.550 --> 00:27:51.650
right?
1422
00:27:51.869 --> 00:27:51.959
That.
1423
00:27:54.540 --> 00:27:54.780
Exactly,
1424
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:55.839
cancel culture,
1425
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:56.119
right?
1426
00:27:56.199 --> 00:27:57.859
Like the moment that it's even,
1427
00:27:57.890 --> 00:27:58.109
you know,
1428
00:27:58.239 --> 00:28:00.989
implicated or suggested that you've done something wrong,
1429
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.739
you are instantly
1430
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.890
Now proving your own innocence and it should be the other way around,
1431
00:28:07.030 --> 00:28:07.239
right?
1432
00:28:07.369 --> 00:28:07.709
So
1433
00:28:08.010 --> 00:28:08.209
again,
1434
00:28:08.329 --> 00:28:08.650
I,
1435
00:28:08.969 --> 00:28:09.609
I'm a woman,
1436
00:28:09.689 --> 00:28:11.290
I'm a mother of a little girl.
1437
00:28:11.329 --> 00:28:14.609
Like I want anyone that was a,
1438
00:28:15.199 --> 00:28:15.729
uh,
1439
00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:16.290
you know,
1440
00:28:16.369 --> 00:28:17.930
complicit in this to go to jail.
1441
00:28:18.050 --> 00:28:18.839
I truly do.
1442
00:28:19.209 --> 00:28:19.709
But
1443
00:28:20.390 --> 00:28:22.310
I am not down for,
1444
00:28:22.430 --> 00:28:22.630
you know,
1445
00:28:22.790 --> 00:28:24.689
just allowing the public to
1446
00:28:24.869 --> 00:28:25.530
publicly,
1447
00:28:25.739 --> 00:28:26.040
you know,
1448
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.130
I don't want to say crucify,
1449
00:28:27.219 --> 00:28:27.760
but basically,
1450
00:28:27.829 --> 00:28:28.109
you know,
1451
00:28:28.300 --> 00:28:29.569
witch hunt these people
1452
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.260
and ruin their lives,
1453
00:28:31.270 --> 00:28:34.849
because we've seen how badly this happens or how quickly it can happen,
1454
00:28:35.040 --> 00:28:35.810
where someone
1455
00:28:36.040 --> 00:28:38.569
is simply implicated in something and now
1456
00:28:38.750 --> 00:28:40.099
their entire business is,
1457
00:28:40.150 --> 00:28:40.849
you know,
1458
00:28:41.390 --> 00:28:42.569
overrun with
1459
00:28:42.989 --> 00:28:44.030
bad comments online,
1460
00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:44.670
whatever it is.
1461
00:28:44.750 --> 00:28:45.579
People hate them,
1462
00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:47.489
people are calling for them to resign.
1463
00:28:47.829 --> 00:28:48.569
I think that.
1464
00:28:49.130 --> 00:28:50.380
If I could be honest,
1465
00:28:50.459 --> 00:28:52.439
and I think I might have said this at the end
1466
00:28:52.729 --> 00:28:53.729
of the episode,
1467
00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:56.380
I wish that this never happened this way.
1468
00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:57.420
To me,
1469
00:28:57.540 --> 00:29:00.459
the better way to do this would be like any other trial,
1470
00:29:00.560 --> 00:29:01.239
which is that
1471
00:29:01.459 --> 00:29:04.500
you actually have investigations into these things
1472
00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:06.780
privately outside of the public's,
1473
00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:06.979
you know,
1474
00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:07.540
eye,
1475
00:29:07.780 --> 00:29:11.380
and then you actually hold the truly guilty people accountable.
1476
00:29:11.619 --> 00:29:14.319
But right now I'm just not comfortable with the idea of
1477
00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:17.630
Anybody that was on the list or anyone that might have been
1478
00:29:17.829 --> 00:29:19.260
in the Epstein class,
1479
00:29:19.390 --> 00:29:20.810
because that's also ridiculous.
1480
00:29:21.099 --> 00:29:21.630
Let's
1481
00:29:22.109 --> 00:29:22.989
shut up about that.
1482
00:29:23.069 --> 00:29:25.119
I really wish that I had been able to debate
1483
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.229
him on that particular point because I was like,
1484
00:29:27.630 --> 00:29:28.949
what is the Epstein class?
1485
00:29:29.030 --> 00:29:29.390
What is this?
1486
00:29:29.500 --> 00:29:31.339
Why do you guys want to hate rich people,
1487
00:29:31.510 --> 00:29:31.630
right?
1488
00:29:31.750 --> 00:29:31.869
Like,
1489
00:29:31.910 --> 00:29:32.699
I don't hate rich people.
1490
00:29:32.750 --> 00:29:33.989
I hope to be 11 day.
1491
00:29:35.569 --> 00:29:36.930
So this Epstein class,
1492
00:29:36.989 --> 00:29:38.290
it's such a laughable,
1493
00:29:38.449 --> 00:29:38.719
you know,
1494
00:29:39.439 --> 00:29:39.640
conversation,
1495
00:29:39.650 --> 00:29:41.189
and especially when we're talking about
1496
00:29:41.380 --> 00:29:43.079
people needing to be held accountable.
1497
00:29:43.130 --> 00:29:43.410
I'm like,
1498
00:29:43.489 --> 00:29:43.910
bro,
1499
00:29:44.290 --> 00:29:45.849
you're in California.
1500
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:47.290
Do you know that something like,
1501
00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:47.689
what was it?
1502
00:29:47.760 --> 00:29:49.020
7000
1503
00:29:49.209 --> 00:29:53.760
sex offenders are released in California every single year and they do a,
1504
00:29:53.810 --> 00:29:54.189
a,
1505
00:29:54.369 --> 00:29:54.640
a.
1506
00:29:54.739 --> 00:29:56.010
Average of 10 months
1507
00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:58.040
to 2 years of jail time
1508
00:29:58.459 --> 00:29:59.400
for sex offenders.
1509
00:30:00.300 --> 00:30:01.199
Let's put a pin in that.
1510
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:03.760
Let's put a pin in that for a moment because I do
1511
00:30:04.260 --> 00:30:07.780
later on you guys get to ICE and immigration and California,
1512
00:30:08.020 --> 00:30:09.640
which I think is worth digging into.
1513
00:30:09.979 --> 00:30:12.280
But let's talk about the Epstein class for a second because
1514
00:30:12.540 --> 00:30:13.920
that's kind of interesting to me.
1515
00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:14.869
I mean,
1516
00:30:14.949 --> 00:30:16.270
I think that,
1517
00:30:16.750 --> 00:30:16.829
again,
1518
00:30:16.910 --> 00:30:18.949
if we're just going off of kind of like vibes,
1519
00:30:19.030 --> 00:30:19.729
like how.
1520
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:22.239
How can we not think there's an Epstein class?
1521
00:30:22.310 --> 00:30:22.479
I mean,
1522
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:23.219
Bill Gates,
1523
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:24.199
Elon Musk,
1524
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:24.989
uh,
1525
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:25.869
Bill Clinton,
1526
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:26.540
I mean,
1527
00:30:27.040 --> 00:30:27.239
really,
1528
00:30:27.339 --> 00:30:27.560
really,
1529
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:28.729
really wealthy people.
1530
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:29.479
Obviously,
1531
00:30:29.560 --> 00:30:29.790
uh,
1532
00:30:29.800 --> 00:30:30.680
Lex Wexner,
1533
00:30:31.219 --> 00:30:31.939
um,
1534
00:30:32.510 --> 00:30:34.839
head of Victoria's Secret or owner of Victoria's Secret,
1535
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:35.069
you know,
1536
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.180
like this is.
1537
00:30:37.229 --> 00:30:38.310
The Epstein files,
1538
00:30:38.560 --> 00:30:38.760
I,
1539
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:39.239
well,
1540
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:42.939
I agree there's a hysteria around it from my perspective.
1541
00:30:43.709 --> 00:30:48.410
It has felt like a window into a world where the law
1542
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.479
is more malleable and where privilege
1543
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:52.400
is a currency,
1544
00:30:52.439 --> 00:30:53.160
or not privilege,
1545
00:30:53.239 --> 00:30:53.489
where,
1546
00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:53.930
um,
1547
00:30:54.229 --> 00:30:56.160
just extreme wealth and status is,
1548
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:57.510
is a currency to,
1549
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.439
to bend the law.
1550
00:30:58.729 --> 00:30:59.199
Andrew,
1551
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:01.839
do you think there's an Epstein class?
1552
00:31:02.040 --> 00:31:02.199
Uh,
1553
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:02.400
yeah,
1554
00:31:02.439 --> 00:31:02.760
I do,
1555
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.030
but definitely not in the way,
1556
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:05.439
not in the same way that like we're,
1557
00:31:05.479 --> 00:31:05.670
you know,
1558
00:31:05.719 --> 00:31:06.030
the,
1559
00:31:06.239 --> 00:31:06.689
the.
1560
00:31:07.189 --> 00:31:08.199
The zeitgeist is,
1561
00:31:08.280 --> 00:31:08.589
you know,
1562
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.719
treating it at the moment,
1563
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:10.199
right?
1564
00:31:10.239 --> 00:31:10.359
I,
1565
00:31:10.459 --> 00:31:10.719
I think,
1566
00:31:11.180 --> 00:31:12.209
of course there's a like,
1567
00:31:12.229 --> 00:31:13.479
a cabal of Satanists.
1568
00:31:13.520 --> 00:31:13.680
Like,
1569
00:31:13.760 --> 00:31:14.199
what do you mean?
1570
00:31:14.280 --> 00:31:16.040
How's the zeitgeist different than your?
1571
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:16.199
Well,
1572
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:16.560
like,
1573
00:31:16.760 --> 00:31:18.140
in like even in the way that like,
1574
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:18.390
uh,
1575
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.719
Roe means it when he says it,
1576
00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:21.520
like I feel like when Rowe says the Epstein class,
1577
00:31:21.589 --> 00:31:21.760
he,
1578
00:31:21.859 --> 00:31:22.760
he is just like.
1579
00:31:23.430 --> 00:31:26.239
He is just talking about like the ultra-wealthy can
1580
00:31:26.239 --> 00:31:28.020
do whatever they want and they'll never get punished.
1581
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:28.439
I'm like,
1582
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:28.880
come on,
1583
00:31:28.989 --> 00:31:29.949
that's obviously like,
1584
00:31:29.959 --> 00:31:30.709
that's not the case.
1585
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:32.819
It might be the case that if you are
1586
00:31:33.020 --> 00:31:33.829
absurdly rich,
1587
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:34.000
you know,
1588
00:31:34.040 --> 00:31:35.239
if you're an Elon Musk type or if you're,
1589
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:35.520
you know,
1590
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.400
if you're a billionaire,
1591
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:36.760
yeah,
1592
00:31:36.959 --> 00:31:37.069
sure,
1593
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.119
you can afford the best lawyers known to mankind and that like that's,
1594
00:31:40.199 --> 00:31:40.829
that is not,
1595
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:41.719
that's not nothing,
1596
00:31:41.790 --> 00:31:42.000
OK?
1597
00:31:42.109 --> 00:31:42.609
That's,
1598
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:43.800
that's not something you should write off,
1599
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:44.000
OK,
1600
00:31:44.069 --> 00:31:44.780
that's a big advantage
1601
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:45.689
in the legal system,
1602
00:31:45.770 --> 00:31:46.359
of course it is.
1603
00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:47.300
But when,
1604
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:47.449
you know,
1605
00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:48.510
when he says that he's like,
1606
00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:49.119
he almost,
1607
00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:49.839
in my mind,
1608
00:31:50.060 --> 00:31:50.209
now,
1609
00:31:50.300 --> 00:31:51.369
like maybe he would refute this,
1610
00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:52.459
so I don't wanna speak for him too much,
1611
00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:52.800
but
1612
00:31:52.930 --> 00:31:54.180
in my mind when I hear him say it,
1613
00:31:54.459 --> 00:31:57.250
I feel like he just means rich people and that's like the end of the analysis,
1614
00:31:57.260 --> 00:31:58.479
it just starts and stops right there,
1615
00:31:58.969 --> 00:31:59.300
uh,
1616
00:31:59.619 --> 00:32:01.010
which is kind of goofy in my eyes,
1617
00:32:01.089 --> 00:32:01.459
uh.
1618
00:32:01.849 --> 00:32:02.209
Like there,
1619
00:32:02.290 --> 00:32:02.400
I,
1620
00:32:02.479 --> 00:32:05.109
I do believe there is a class of individuals that
1621
00:32:05.410 --> 00:32:06.689
can skirt the law,
1622
00:32:06.930 --> 00:32:07.089
uh,
1623
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:07.890
and get away with it.
1624
00:32:08.010 --> 00:32:08.250
I mean,
1625
00:32:08.329 --> 00:32:08.449
like,
1626
00:32:08.530 --> 00:32:08.810
look at,
1627
00:32:09.089 --> 00:32:09.369
look at,
1628
00:32:09.449 --> 00:32:09.609
you know,
1629
00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:10.510
our current administration,
1630
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.109
like look at the,
1631
00:32:11.170 --> 00:32:11.439
um,
1632
00:32:11.609 --> 00:32:12.209
look at Pam Bondi.
1633
00:32:12.569 --> 00:32:14.770
It's funny that like Roe has such a big issue with this thing.
1634
00:32:14.810 --> 00:32:16.239
Like Pam Bondi is no billionaire,
1635
00:32:16.479 --> 00:32:17.189
but like she
1636
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.089
violated the hell out of this law and is gonna walk away scot-free.
1637
00:32:20.250 --> 00:32:21.209
But then I come back to,
1638
00:32:21.329 --> 00:32:21.479
you know,
1639
00:32:21.689 --> 00:32:23.089
exactly what I went up there to confront him about.
1640
00:32:23.130 --> 00:32:23.400
It's like,
1641
00:32:23.449 --> 00:32:23.750
well,
1642
00:32:24.439 --> 00:32:26.560
She did violate the law and she is gonna completely get away with it.
1643
00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:27.699
Kind of your fault though.
1644
00:32:27.959 --> 00:32:28.599
So you know,
1645
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:29.040
you know,
1646
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:29.229
there,
1647
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:30.760
there is a class of people that can just do whatever
1648
00:32:30.760 --> 00:32:32.000
they want and break laws and get away with it,
1649
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:32.560
but it's not,
1650
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:33.719
it's not just like rich people.
1651
00:32:33.790 --> 00:32:34.040
It's,
1652
00:32:34.199 --> 00:32:34.390
it's,
1653
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:34.550
uh,
1654
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:35.939
it's like the political class,
1655
00:32:35.959 --> 00:32:36.390
um,
1656
00:32:36.719 --> 00:32:36.839
and,
1657
00:32:36.910 --> 00:32:38.459
and it's people that have,
1658
00:32:38.800 --> 00:32:40.520
that have people in power looking out for them,
1659
00:32:40.630 --> 00:32:41.030
you know.
1660
00:32:41.510 --> 00:32:43.819
Do you agree with kind of Marion's take that like
1661
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.660
the left maybe over villainizes
1662
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:48.400
this elite rich people?
1663
00:32:48.479 --> 00:32:49.939
Like it's a little bit of a boogeyman.
1664
00:32:50.859 --> 00:32:51.119
Yeah,
1665
00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:51.579
yeah,
1666
00:32:51.719 --> 00:32:51.729
no,
1667
00:32:51.859 --> 00:32:51.979
I,
1668
00:32:52.060 --> 00:32:52.859
I hate that too.
1669
00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:53.260
Sorry,
1670
00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:54.209
sorry for,
1671
00:32:54.339 --> 00:32:55.609
sorry to the editing team for,
1672
00:32:55.630 --> 00:32:55.780
you know,
1673
00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:56.420
giving you more work,
1674
00:32:56.520 --> 00:32:56.760
but
1675
00:32:56.939 --> 00:32:57.060
no,
1676
00:32:57.140 --> 00:32:57.300
I,
1677
00:32:57.369 --> 00:32:58.060
I hate that too.
1678
00:32:58.099 --> 00:32:58.770
It's so,
1679
00:32:58.819 --> 00:32:59.060
um,
1680
00:32:59.130 --> 00:32:59.609
it's,
1681
00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:00.140
you know what,
1682
00:33:00.219 --> 00:33:01.260
my biggest issue with it,
1683
00:33:01.520 --> 00:33:02.550
it's not even that like,
1684
00:33:02.979 --> 00:33:04.380
it's not even that it's not true.
1685
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:04.859
It isn't,
1686
00:33:04.939 --> 00:33:05.300
to be clear,
1687
00:33:05.369 --> 00:33:05.739
it's not true,
1688
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:06.579
but that's not why,
1689
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:07.119
why
1690
00:33:07.260 --> 00:33:07.819
I get mad.
1691
00:33:07.900 --> 00:33:09.819
One of my like biggest issues in politics today
1692
00:33:10.020 --> 00:33:10.520
is that
1693
00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:12.060
like in America,
1694
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:16.359
we do have like genuine real issues that we could and should
1695
00:33:16.660 --> 00:33:16.859
address.
1696
00:33:16.939 --> 00:33:17.500
I talk about this all.
1697
00:33:17.605 --> 00:33:18.365
All the time there's stuff,
1698
00:33:18.725 --> 00:33:18.875
there's,
1699
00:33:18.926 --> 00:33:21.225
there's real issues that face us as Americans that are
1700
00:33:21.406 --> 00:33:22.115
fixable or,
1701
00:33:22.145 --> 00:33:24.416
or at least like we can work on them and we can make things better,
1702
00:33:24.645 --> 00:33:24.985
but
1703
00:33:25.245 --> 00:33:27.485
we can never get to root causes of issues.
1704
00:33:27.526 --> 00:33:30.505
We can never get to solving anything if we're wasting all our time on,
1705
00:33:30.725 --> 00:33:30.885
uh,
1706
00:33:31.005 --> 00:33:31.125
you know,
1707
00:33:31.206 --> 00:33:32.326
these issues that sell,
1708
00:33:32.446 --> 00:33:32.566
you know,
1709
00:33:32.885 --> 00:33:33.515
that that sell well,
1710
00:33:33.566 --> 00:33:33.765
this,
1711
00:33:33.926 --> 00:33:33.975
uh,
1712
00:33:34.125 --> 00:33:34.245
you know,
1713
00:33:34.316 --> 00:33:35.005
it's the populist,
1714
00:33:35.086 --> 00:33:35.206
you know,
1715
00:33:35.276 --> 00:33:36.426
we're in the populist era right now.
1716
00:33:36.566 --> 00:33:37.046
It's like the,
1717
00:33:37.176 --> 00:33:37.286
you know,
1718
00:33:37.355 --> 00:33:38.005
the populism thing,
1719
00:33:38.086 --> 00:33:38.286
right?
1720
00:33:38.485 --> 00:33:38.796
We're like,
1721
00:33:38.956 --> 00:33:39.245
oh we're gonna,
1722
00:33:39.326 --> 00:33:39.406
you know,
1723
00:33:39.485 --> 00:33:40.485
we're gonna talk about the Epstein class,
1724
00:33:40.566 --> 00:33:41.566
we're gonna tax the billionaires,
1725
00:33:41.605 --> 00:33:41.916
we're gonna,
1726
00:33:42.125 --> 00:33:42.276
like,
1727
00:33:42.336 --> 00:33:42.436
bro,
1728
00:33:42.725 --> 00:33:43.005
come on,
1729
00:33:43.086 --> 00:33:43.385
like
1730
00:33:44.046 --> 00:33:44.306
they're.
1731
00:33:44.432 --> 00:33:44.991
We could solve,
1732
00:33:45.031 --> 00:33:45.381
like if we're,
1733
00:33:45.432 --> 00:33:46.972
if we're gonna talk about like wealth inequality or
1734
00:33:46.972 --> 00:33:48.511
if we want to have like more social programs,
1735
00:33:48.552 --> 00:33:48.741
like,
1736
00:33:48.991 --> 00:33:49.151
you know,
1737
00:33:49.192 --> 00:33:49.631
a lot of the,
1738
00:33:49.712 --> 00:33:49.832
you know,
1739
00:33:49.952 --> 00:33:50.472
people like bro,
1740
00:33:50.592 --> 00:33:51.192
a lot of their,
1741
00:33:51.312 --> 00:33:51.651
their
1742
00:33:51.812 --> 00:33:53.352
rhetoric or their solutions for this would be like
1743
00:33:53.352 --> 00:33:54.671
we're just gonna tax the billionaires to death.
1744
00:33:54.751 --> 00:33:54.952
I'm like,
1745
00:33:54.991 --> 00:33:55.151
bro,
1746
00:33:55.232 --> 00:33:56.031
if you raise
1747
00:33:56.391 --> 00:33:58.031
the tax base like across the board,
1748
00:33:58.102 --> 00:33:59.732
if you just raised everyone's taxes by like
1749
00:33:59.952 --> 00:34:00.472
2%,
1750
00:34:00.592 --> 00:34:01.791
we could pay for whatever we wanted to.
1751
00:34:01.832 --> 00:34:03.671
We could pay for literally anything we wanna do ever.
1752
00:34:03.942 --> 00:34:04.261
So I'm like,
1753
00:34:04.312 --> 00:34:04.602
why are we,
1754
00:34:04.952 --> 00:34:05.192
why,
1755
00:34:05.271 --> 00:34:05.911
why do we do this?
1756
00:34:05.952 --> 00:34:07.072
We just focus on the billionaires.
1757
00:34:07.102 --> 00:34:07.261
It's,
1758
00:34:07.391 --> 00:34:07.661
it's,
1759
00:34:07.671 --> 00:34:08.161
it's cringe
1760
00:34:08.431 --> 00:34:08.731
for sure.
1761
00:34:09.210 --> 00:34:09.221
Yeah,
1762
00:34:09.672 --> 00:34:10.271
but it's strong,
1763
00:34:10.471 --> 00:34:11.172
strong messaging.
1764
00:34:12.489 --> 00:34:12.678
Also,
1765
00:34:12.947 --> 00:34:13.089
it is,
1766
00:34:13.168 --> 00:34:14.239
I have really good messaging.
1767
00:34:14.289 --> 00:34:14.728
People love it.
1768
00:34:14.799 --> 00:34:15.148
Yeah,
1769
00:34:16.228 --> 00:34:16.529
I feel that's,
1770
00:34:16.569 --> 00:34:18.398
that's a big thing for me just to
1771
00:34:18.569 --> 00:34:18.829
agree with you,
1772
00:34:18.908 --> 00:34:19.168
Andrew,
1773
00:34:19.309 --> 00:34:20.789
because what frustrates me,
1774
00:34:21.029 --> 00:34:21.967
but I am on the right,
1775
00:34:22.049 --> 00:34:22.668
it's like
1776
00:34:23.368 --> 00:34:23.829
this.
1777
00:34:24.780 --> 00:34:29.580
Aggressive fixation on the wealthy as if they're not already paying so much.
1778
00:34:29.780 --> 00:34:32.100
They pay so much in taxes.
1779
00:34:32.179 --> 00:34:33.600
They already do so much
1780
00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:35.458
as far as creating jobs,
1781
00:34:35.540 --> 00:34:35.708
right?
1782
00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:36.300
I'm like,
1783
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:39.120
look at any society that runs out
1784
00:34:39.260 --> 00:34:40.399
the wealthy people.
1785
00:34:40.620 --> 00:34:41.958
You take their businesses,
1786
00:34:42.060 --> 00:34:42.260
you know,
1787
00:34:42.340 --> 00:34:42.929
with them.
1788
00:34:43.100 --> 00:34:45.938
You remove their taxes that they were already giving.
1789
00:34:46.100 --> 00:34:46.399
So
1790
00:34:46.540 --> 00:34:49.469
when we start to attack the people That create jobs,
1791
00:34:49.478 --> 00:34:51.639
that build big corporations that,
1792
00:34:52.040 --> 00:34:52.350
you know,
1793
00:34:52.600 --> 00:34:54.350
pay into healthcare systems,
1794
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:54.918
etc.
1795
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:56.429
It is dangerous,
1796
00:34:56.879 --> 00:34:57.979
especially for those
1797
00:34:58.239 --> 00:34:59.360
lower down in the,
1798
00:34:59.479 --> 00:34:59.600
you know,
1799
00:34:59.709 --> 00:35:01.739
on the totem pole that actually need
1800
00:35:01.959 --> 00:35:03.260
some type of leg up.
1801
00:35:03.469 --> 00:35:04.959
This is where they're going to get,
1802
00:35:05.040 --> 00:35:05.449
you know,
1803
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.239
a job that doesn't necessarily require a college degree or something like that.
1804
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:09.699
So
1805
00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:10.389
I,
1806
00:35:10.600 --> 00:35:12.409
I have to agree with Andrew except that.
1807
00:35:13.149 --> 00:35:13.530
You know,
1808
00:35:13.669 --> 00:35:14.330
it's fine.
1809
00:35:15.629 --> 00:35:15.840
I do
1810
00:35:16.409 --> 00:35:16.500
think
1811
00:35:17.429 --> 00:35:20.969
you're coming at it from agreement but from different points,
1812
00:35:21.610 --> 00:35:22.429
points of orientation.
1813
00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:24.189
I'm probably gonna say like you don't wanna,
1814
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:25.270
you don't wanna raise taxes,
1815
00:35:25.350 --> 00:35:25.429
yeah,
1816
00:35:25.449 --> 00:35:25.459
yeah,
1817
00:35:25.830 --> 00:35:27.889
I'm not because where's the money already going?
1818
00:35:28.429 --> 00:35:30.209
Like that's my biggest conversation with that.
1819
00:35:30.350 --> 00:35:31.209
Where's the money?
1820
00:35:31.370 --> 00:35:32.129
We don't need to have that,
1821
00:35:32.790 --> 00:35:32.870
yeah,
1822
00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:33.909
we don't need to have that disagreement.
1823
00:35:33.959 --> 00:35:35.350
I think like the broader point is that like,
1824
00:35:35.389 --> 00:35:35.760
uh,
1825
00:35:36.149 --> 00:35:36.229
like,
1826
00:35:36.290 --> 00:35:36.429
well,
1827
00:35:36.469 --> 00:35:37.310
we do disagree on that,
1828
00:35:37.350 --> 00:35:38.709
but that's not like what we're here to talk about.
1829
00:35:38.790 --> 00:35:39.780
Like I do think that,
1830
00:35:39.949 --> 00:35:40.350
um.
1831
00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:40.979
You know,
1832
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:41.929
issues like this kind of,
1833
00:35:42.040 --> 00:35:42.090
it,
1834
00:35:42.219 --> 00:35:44.780
they cloud the political zeitgeist and then we don't get to
1835
00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:47.100
talk about like real things that we could genuinely solve,
1836
00:35:47.260 --> 00:35:48.020
and I think that's
1837
00:35:48.139 --> 00:35:48.540
where we're,
1838
00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:49.179
where we agree,
1839
00:35:49.300 --> 00:35:49.520
right?
1840
00:35:49.659 --> 00:35:50.139
Yeah,
1841
00:35:50.419 --> 00:35:50.540
well,
1842
00:35:50.659 --> 00:35:52.080
and I mean just to,
1843
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:54.929
to also do kind of the both sides thing as well,
1844
00:35:54.979 --> 00:35:55.320
I mean,
1845
00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:56.050
I,
1846
00:35:56.260 --> 00:36:00.020
I think the last few years has presented evidence that supports a lot of the.
1847
00:36:00.274 --> 00:36:00.524
Arguments.
1848
00:36:00.604 --> 00:36:00.945
So,
1849
00:36:01.044 --> 00:36:03.625
I think there's a concentration of power that is concerning.
1850
00:36:03.725 --> 00:36:05.794
I almost think the concentration of power is
1851
00:36:05.794 --> 00:36:07.844
a bigger thing than the concentration of wealth.
1852
00:36:07.955 --> 00:36:08.834
Like people who
1853
00:36:09.405 --> 00:36:11.645
have power through these tech companies,
1854
00:36:11.735 --> 00:36:13.225
there needs to be a legitimate
1855
00:36:13.514 --> 00:36:13.945
conversation about
1856
00:36:14.485 --> 00:36:15.985
what is the responsible way to,
1857
00:36:16.084 --> 00:36:16.864
to
1858
00:36:17.004 --> 00:36:18.084
wield this power and,
1859
00:36:18.104 --> 00:36:18.784
and,
1860
00:36:18.965 --> 00:36:19.504
um,
1861
00:36:19.965 --> 00:36:21.264
what is the relationship with,
1862
00:36:21.564 --> 00:36:21.804
you know,
1863
00:36:21.885 --> 00:36:22.574
like tech
1864
00:36:22.804 --> 00:36:26.905
billionaires who can kind of program society through their content,
1865
00:36:27.504 --> 00:36:27.514
um,
1866
00:36:27.524 --> 00:36:29.344
and I'm not saying that they're doing it maliciously.
1867
00:36:29.780 --> 00:36:30.060
What's,
1868
00:36:30.139 --> 00:36:32.139
what's the healthy tension between them and the government?
1869
00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:33.530
So that's one question.
1870
00:36:33.820 --> 00:36:34.840
But then I hear what you're saying,
1871
00:36:34.939 --> 00:36:35.250
Marianne,
1872
00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:36.040
it's like,
1873
00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:38.620
if we're gonna focus on taxes and we're gonna focus on,
1874
00:36:38.780 --> 00:36:39.040
hey,
1875
00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:40.600
there needs to be more money.
1876
00:36:41.689 --> 00:36:45.639
Squeezed out of billionaires and millionaires to pay for services,
1877
00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:50.250
then it probably shouldn't be so easy for someone like Nick Shirley to just like.
1878
00:36:51.229 --> 00:36:51.649
You know,
1879
00:36:51.739 --> 00:36:52.270
5,
1880
00:36:52.429 --> 00:36:55.389
tens of billions of dollars that have been stolen
1881
00:36:55.389 --> 00:36:58.350
and he's just one guy looking into it like.
1882
00:36:59.370 --> 00:36:59.530
Yeah,
1883
00:36:59.649 --> 00:36:59.659
and,
1884
00:36:59.790 --> 00:37:03.080
and not all the fraud I think he alleged is probably credible,
1885
00:37:03.129 --> 00:37:03.469
but
1886
00:37:03.610 --> 00:37:04.139
I think,
1887
00:37:04.250 --> 00:37:04.409
uh,
1888
00:37:04.850 --> 00:37:05.050
you know,
1889
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.689
there was reporting that followed,
1890
00:37:06.770 --> 00:37:09.709
I think CBS put out reporting like a couple of weeks ago that
1891
00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:10.689
um
1892
00:37:10.929 --> 00:37:13.409
found similar uh instances in California.
1893
00:37:13.489 --> 00:37:14.149
So it's like
1894
00:37:14.610 --> 00:37:15.310
there is
1895
00:37:15.770 --> 00:37:17.260
very credible concern for,
1896
00:37:17.429 --> 00:37:20.570
for fraud across the country and so it's like if you're gonna
1897
00:37:20.570 --> 00:37:23.669
make the argument that we need to raise taxes or we need,
1898
00:37:24.050 --> 00:37:24.239
you know,
1899
00:37:24.330 --> 00:37:25.310
more tax dollars.
1900
00:37:25.810 --> 00:37:26.330
There's gotta,
1901
00:37:26.439 --> 00:37:30.110
it's gotta be paired with an argument that we're gonna do something to combat fraud,
1902
00:37:30.209 --> 00:37:30.600
um,
1903
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:31.100
or else
1904
00:37:31.889 --> 00:37:33.030
those are ineffective.
1905
00:37:33.310 --> 00:37:33.729
Um,
1906
00:37:33.969 --> 00:37:34.489
I,
1907
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:36.290
we totally got off track,
1908
00:37:36.370 --> 00:37:38.280
but something I wanna hear from each of you is,
1909
00:37:38.330 --> 00:37:40.219
what do you think about Pam Bondi being out,
1910
00:37:40.290 --> 00:37:40.560
you know,
1911
00:37:40.770 --> 00:37:42.879
the news is so fast since we recorded this,
1912
00:37:42.949 --> 00:37:43.949
so much has happened.
1913
00:37:44.429 --> 00:37:45.750
Did that surprise either one of you?
1914
00:37:45.790 --> 00:37:46.270
You know what though,
1915
00:37:46.429 --> 00:37:46.510
I,
1916
00:37:46.590 --> 00:37:47.989
I'll just wanna like interject real quick.
1917
00:37:48.070 --> 00:37:49.570
The funniest thing is because like,
1918
00:37:49.949 --> 00:37:50.229
uh,
1919
00:37:50.669 --> 00:37:52.629
it was very clear that there was like some sort of
1920
00:37:52.629 --> 00:37:54.649
tension between like Trump and Bondi for like a while,
1921
00:37:55.070 --> 00:37:57.169
and I remember being at the shoot a couple of weeks ago,
1922
00:37:57.270 --> 00:37:57.439
being,
1923
00:37:57.669 --> 00:37:58.179
being at the shoot,
1924
00:37:58.229 --> 00:37:58.699
and we,
1925
00:37:58.750 --> 00:37:59.129
uh,
1926
00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:00.500
he made his claim about,
1927
00:38:00.590 --> 00:38:00.709
you know,
1928
00:38:00.830 --> 00:38:01.590
Bondi violating the,
1929
00:38:01.870 --> 00:38:01.989
you know,
1930
00:38:02.060 --> 00:38:02.830
violating the,
1931
00:38:03.270 --> 00:38:04.310
the Epstein Files Transparency Act,
1932
00:38:04.350 --> 00:38:04.919
and I walked away,
1933
00:38:04.949 --> 00:38:06.810
and one of the first things I said while we were just kind of
1934
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:07.709
discussing,
1935
00:38:07.790 --> 00:38:08.100
uh,
1936
00:38:08.270 --> 00:38:08.389
you know,
1937
00:38:08.510 --> 00:38:08.989
amongst ourselves,
1938
00:38:09.070 --> 00:38:10.100
the 20 of us or whatever,
1939
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:11.469
getting ready to leave for the day was,
1940
00:38:11.750 --> 00:38:12.649
it's funny that
1941
00:38:13.229 --> 00:38:14.300
One of his primary claims,
1942
00:38:14.350 --> 00:38:14.459
you know,
1943
00:38:14.550 --> 00:38:14.709
one of,
1944
00:38:14.790 --> 00:38:17.229
one of his four big points that he came here to talk about was about Pam Bondi,
1945
00:38:17.870 --> 00:38:18.219
um,
1946
00:38:18.389 --> 00:38:18.929
and I was like,
1947
00:38:19.570 --> 00:38:21.010
what would be hilarious is that
1948
00:38:21.149 --> 00:38:23.300
this episode releases and in the interim,
1949
00:38:23.370 --> 00:38:24.060
she gets fired,
1950
00:38:24.070 --> 00:38:25.189
and so that point is kind of moot.
1951
00:38:25.310 --> 00:38:25.699
Like it's like,
1952
00:38:25.709 --> 00:38:25.790
oh,
1953
00:38:25.830 --> 00:38:26.379
we're mad at Bondi,
1954
00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:27.820
but she's not the attorney general anymore,
1955
00:38:27.989 --> 00:38:28.929
and sure enough,
1956
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.209
she's gone.
1957
00:38:30.550 --> 00:38:30.850
Uh,
1958
00:38:31.070 --> 00:38:32.350
so it's funny that that that one came true.
1959
00:38:32.510 --> 00:38:35.310
As for like just like broad opinions about her being gone,
1960
00:38:35.389 --> 00:38:36.689
I don't think it actually changes anything.
1961
00:38:36.949 --> 00:38:37.189
Like you,
1962
00:38:37.310 --> 00:38:38.750
I think it's delusion to think that.
1963
00:38:39.489 --> 00:38:40.250
That whoever,
1964
00:38:40.370 --> 00:38:43.290
whoever he puts in her place isn't gonna behave in the exact same manner.
1965
00:38:43.370 --> 00:38:44.889
Like if you think like if you're if you're on
1966
00:38:44.889 --> 00:38:46.550
the left and you're happy right now that Bonnie's gone,
1967
00:38:46.850 --> 00:38:46.959
like,
1968
00:38:47.010 --> 00:38:47.129
oh,
1969
00:38:47.209 --> 00:38:48.959
maybe now we're gonna get some motion on the Epstein files,
1970
00:38:49.050 --> 00:38:49.870
you're out of your mind,
1971
00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:50.199
OK?
1972
00:38:50.290 --> 00:38:50.459
You're,
1973
00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:51.199
you're delusional.
1974
00:38:51.409 --> 00:38:52.949
Whoever goes into that spot next
1975
00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:54.669
is gonna behave in the exact same manner,
1976
00:38:54.929 --> 00:38:55.129
uh,
1977
00:38:55.250 --> 00:38:56.090
that she was on the file.
1978
00:38:56.169 --> 00:38:56.439
And I,
1979
00:38:56.520 --> 00:38:56.729
in fact,
1980
00:38:56.810 --> 00:38:57.639
I think it was Todd,
1981
00:38:57.729 --> 00:38:58.250
Todd Blanche,
1982
00:38:58.449 --> 00:38:59.209
not so long ago.
1983
00:38:59.639 --> 00:38:59.810
Uh,
1984
00:38:59.929 --> 00:39:00.489
literally said like,
1985
00:39:00.570 --> 00:39:00.649
hey,
1986
00:39:00.689 --> 00:39:01.570
the Epstein Files thing is done.
1987
00:39:01.689 --> 00:39:01.969
No more,
1988
00:39:02.050 --> 00:39:02.290
we're done.
1989
00:39:02.409 --> 00:39:02.689
No more,
1990
00:39:02.810 --> 00:39:03.010
no more.
1991
00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:03.870
We're not releasing anything.
1992
00:39:04.129 --> 00:39:04.409
That's it.
1993
00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:05.159
We gave you everything we had,
1994
00:39:05.209 --> 00:39:05.639
we're done with it.
1995
00:39:05.850 --> 00:39:05.959
Uh,
1996
00:39:06.090 --> 00:39:07.169
and like right after Bondy was fired.
1997
00:39:07.270 --> 00:39:07.570
So yeah,
1998
00:39:07.649 --> 00:39:07.840
if you,
1999
00:39:07.919 --> 00:39:08.129
if you,
2000
00:39:08.250 --> 00:39:08.969
if you're on the left
2001
00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:11.350
and you think that you're gonna get motion on some of these issues
2002
00:39:11.510 --> 00:39:12.479
now that Bondy's out,
2003
00:39:12.530 --> 00:39:14.010
if you thought she was the problem,
2004
00:39:14.209 --> 00:39:15.959
she was the reason that nothing was happening,
2005
00:39:16.310 --> 00:39:16.649
come on,
2006
00:39:16.850 --> 00:39:17.510
delusion.
2007
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:19.330
Yeah,
2008
00:39:19.409 --> 00:39:20.330
I'd have to agree.
2009
00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:21.090
I'd have to agree.
2010
00:39:21.189 --> 00:39:21.530
I mean,
2011
00:39:21.649 --> 00:39:21.889
I,
2012
00:39:22.050 --> 00:39:23.129
so I watched her hearing,
2013
00:39:23.209 --> 00:39:23.449
right,
2014
00:39:23.550 --> 00:39:23.989
and
2015
00:39:24.610 --> 00:39:27.510
one of the big things that was just conduct in that hearing,
2016
00:39:27.979 --> 00:39:28.530
oh my gosh,
2017
00:39:28.610 --> 00:39:29.060
I mean.
2018
00:39:29.389 --> 00:39:29.639
Again,
2019
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.250
it's this politician like.
2020
00:39:33.850 --> 00:39:34.159
This,
2021
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:35.080
this big,
2022
00:39:35.090 --> 00:39:35.620
um,
2023
00:39:36.080 --> 00:39:36.580
political,
2024
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:37.239
you know,
2025
00:39:37.479 --> 00:39:38.530
fanfare that they do,
2026
00:39:38.600 --> 00:39:42.080
when the moment that they're asked a very direct and very clear question,
2027
00:39:42.169 --> 00:39:42.939
they just
2028
00:39:43.120 --> 00:39:43.620
go
2029
00:39:44.080 --> 00:39:45.100
aggressively off
2030
00:39:45.530 --> 00:39:48.360
to the left and just avoid it with everything in them.
2031
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.439
So that's all that Pam did the entire time.
2032
00:39:50.520 --> 00:39:54.199
She would not explain why she wasn't going to release all of the files.
2033
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:54.959
She would not.
2034
00:39:55.425 --> 00:39:56.385
Apologize to the victims,
2035
00:39:56.425 --> 00:39:57.804
which I understand,
2036
00:39:58.104 --> 00:39:58.245
right?
2037
00:39:58.425 --> 00:39:59.264
Because once you,
2038
00:39:59.504 --> 00:39:59.695
it's,
2039
00:39:59.705 --> 00:40:00.425
it's a legal thing.
2040
00:40:00.514 --> 00:40:01.334
Once you apologize,
2041
00:40:01.385 --> 00:40:02.905
you're admitting some type of guilt.
2042
00:40:03.185 --> 00:40:03.695
So I get,
2043
00:40:03.745 --> 00:40:04.375
and I thought that,
2044
00:40:04.385 --> 00:40:04.544
you know,
2045
00:40:04.584 --> 00:40:06.405
it was very intentional of the
2046
00:40:06.745 --> 00:40:08.524
um of her opponents
2047
00:40:08.665 --> 00:40:12.254
to try to get her to apologize to them because the moment that she did that,
2048
00:40:12.544 --> 00:40:13.024
they were going to say,
2049
00:40:13.104 --> 00:40:13.254
well,
2050
00:40:13.304 --> 00:40:14.625
she knows that she did something wrong and
2051
00:40:14.625 --> 00:40:16.145
she's admitting that she did something wrong.
2052
00:40:16.504 --> 00:40:17.225
That's that.
2053
00:40:17.689 --> 00:40:18.229
I don't know
2054
00:40:18.370 --> 00:40:19.679
the name of the young man that said it,
2055
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:21.679
but you know when he said that he's a conspiracy theorist,
2056
00:40:21.689 --> 00:40:22.530
I was in the background like,
2057
00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:22.889
yep,
2058
00:40:23.129 --> 00:40:23.689
me too,
2059
00:40:23.929 --> 00:40:24.429
because
2060
00:40:24.889 --> 00:40:26.389
what I know is,
2061
00:40:26.770 --> 00:40:27.129
no matter,
2062
00:40:27.209 --> 00:40:27.649
like you said,
2063
00:40:27.729 --> 00:40:28.050
Andrew,
2064
00:40:28.120 --> 00:40:29.370
no matter who's in that seat,
2065
00:40:29.689 --> 00:40:33.090
the conversations happening behind closed doors that we,
2066
00:40:33.139 --> 00:40:34.629
the public will never know about,
2067
00:40:34.889 --> 00:40:36.550
they have to be so intense right now,
2068
00:40:36.729 --> 00:40:36.889
right?
2069
00:40:37.209 --> 00:40:38.669
And I and I said this before,
2070
00:40:39.409 --> 00:40:41.459
I personally don't believe that Trump did anything wrong.
2071
00:40:41.530 --> 00:40:42.649
I don't think that there's anything,
2072
00:40:42.870 --> 00:40:42.939
you know,
2073
00:40:43.050 --> 00:40:44.929
any wrongdoing on his personal behalf,
2074
00:40:45.120 --> 00:40:45.550
but
2075
00:40:46.110 --> 00:40:47.580
If you think of the amount of people
2076
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:49.639
on both sides of the aisle
2077
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.080
that had to be calling him,
2078
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.110
that had to be giving him death threats,
2079
00:40:53.229 --> 00:40:53.399
right?
2080
00:40:53.600 --> 00:40:53.760
Saying,
2081
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:54.000
look,
2082
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:55.469
do whatever you need to do,
2083
00:40:55.479 --> 00:40:57.860
not to let these files released
2084
00:40:58.280 --> 00:40:58.780
because
2085
00:40:58.959 --> 00:41:00.239
I'm in them and I,
2086
00:41:00.350 --> 00:41:00.520
you know,
2087
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:01.590
I will be ruined.
2088
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.439
We have to be realistic about the fact that this is a very,
2089
00:41:05.879 --> 00:41:07.120
very intense
2090
00:41:07.399 --> 00:41:08.580
moment in history
2091
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.399
and who Whoever ends up finally taking the fall for this,
2092
00:41:11.479 --> 00:41:12.399
which me personally,
2093
00:41:12.439 --> 00:41:14.719
I think that it's going to be someone that's paid to take the fall.
2094
00:41:14.959 --> 00:41:15.830
There's going to be 10,
2095
00:41:15.909 --> 00:41:16.120
you know,
2096
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:17.580
top 10 people
2097
00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:18.800
that everyone decides,
2098
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:19.040
OK,
2099
00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:20.199
that's that's our fall guy.
2100
00:41:20.270 --> 00:41:21.219
They're all going to just
2101
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.070
magically be the ones that were the most horrible people
2102
00:41:24.070 --> 00:41:25.500
and they're going to pay off all of the,
2103
00:41:25.590 --> 00:41:25.939
you know,
2104
00:41:26.139 --> 00:41:28.020
the witnesses to say that it was that one,
2105
00:41:28.179 --> 00:41:28.310
you know,
2106
00:41:28.479 --> 00:41:29.229
group of people.
2107
00:41:29.479 --> 00:41:30.189
That's what I think,
2108
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.360
because I am a conspiracy theorist.
2109
00:41:31.439 --> 00:41:32.419
So I do think that
2110
00:41:32.919 --> 00:41:36.459
if we're realistic and honest about how this is really going to go down.
2111
00:41:37.419 --> 00:41:39.379
We're not going to get anyone to come out and
2112
00:41:39.379 --> 00:41:42.679
admit fault except for the people that have been pre-approved
2113
00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:43.780
to take the fall for this.
2114
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:44.469
That's what I think.
2115
00:41:44.580 --> 00:41:46.290
So whoever replaces Bondy,
2116
00:41:46.540 --> 00:41:50.580
they're going to jump right into the same system of hush hush,
2117
00:41:50.899 --> 00:41:52.139
let's work out these back,
2118
00:41:52.209 --> 00:41:52.379
you know,
2119
00:41:52.540 --> 00:41:53.620
back alley deals,
2120
00:41:53.860 --> 00:41:56.699
and then whatever they want the public to see is what we'll see.
2121
00:41:56.899 --> 00:41:57.560
As for,
2122
00:41:57.739 --> 00:41:57.860
you know,
2123
00:41:57.949 --> 00:41:58.580
your point of like,
2124
00:41:58.699 --> 00:41:58.820
you know,
2125
00:41:58.899 --> 00:41:59.649
nothing's going to change,
2126
00:41:59.860 --> 00:42:01.060
the behavior is going to be the same because they,
2127
00:42:01.090 --> 00:42:01.219
you know,
2128
00:42:01.739 --> 00:42:02.060
I'm.
2129
00:42:03.169 --> 00:42:03.530
Again,
2130
00:42:03.610 --> 00:42:04.679
this is one of those things where it's like,
2131
00:42:04.709 --> 00:42:04.850
I,
2132
00:42:04.889 --> 00:42:06.409
do I have direct evidence of this?
2133
00:42:06.489 --> 00:42:06.649
No,
2134
00:42:06.770 --> 00:42:07.520
but I certainly believe it,
2135
00:42:07.530 --> 00:42:08.729
that there probably are people,
2136
00:42:08.959 --> 00:42:09.050
you know,
2137
00:42:09.209 --> 00:42:09.929
calling up Trump like,
2138
00:42:10.010 --> 00:42:10.199
Brother,
2139
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:11.790
you cannot let those files come out.
2140
00:42:11.850 --> 00:42:12.280
I'm gonna like,
2141
00:42:12.370 --> 00:42:13.010
I'm gonna be cooked.
2142
00:42:13.050 --> 00:42:13.459
You can't.
2143
00:42:13.649 --> 00:42:13.850
Yeah,
2144
00:42:14.010 --> 00:42:14.020
so,
2145
00:42:14.189 --> 00:42:14.280
and,
2146
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:14.489
and,
2147
00:42:14.550 --> 00:42:16.050
and we saw Marjorie Taylor Greene say that.
2148
00:42:16.129 --> 00:42:16.330
We saw,
2149
00:42:16.409 --> 00:42:16.530
you know,
2150
00:42:16.649 --> 00:42:16.699
she,
2151
00:42:16.810 --> 00:42:17.489
she did an interview where,
2152
00:42:17.649 --> 00:42:17.810
you know,
2153
00:42:18.090 --> 00:42:18.969
she said that when,
2154
00:42:19.229 --> 00:42:20.250
when she talked to Trump on the phone,
2155
00:42:20.330 --> 00:42:20.850
he said,
2156
00:42:21.209 --> 00:42:21.409
uh,
2157
00:42:21.530 --> 00:42:21.649
I,
2158
00:42:21.729 --> 00:42:22.530
I don't want these coming out.
2159
00:42:22.610 --> 00:42:23.709
It's gonna hurt my friends.
2160
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:24.120
And,
2161
00:42:24.129 --> 00:42:24.290
you know,
2162
00:42:24.409 --> 00:42:24.590
so it's,
2163
00:42:24.850 --> 00:42:25.149
so,
2164
00:42:25.439 --> 00:42:25.530
you know.
2165
00:42:25.663 --> 00:42:26.822
That adds to the pile of evidence,
2166
00:42:26.863 --> 00:42:28.472
that probably is what's going on behind the scenes.
2167
00:42:28.653 --> 00:42:28.893
Um,
2168
00:42:29.062 --> 00:42:29.452
and then also,
2169
00:42:29.502 --> 00:42:29.613
I,
2170
00:42:29.663 --> 00:42:30.702
I think it's funny that you pointed out,
2171
00:42:30.792 --> 00:42:30.863
uh,
2172
00:42:30.943 --> 00:42:32.062
because I actually had the same take on this.
2173
00:42:32.133 --> 00:42:32.982
People were outraged.
2174
00:42:33.183 --> 00:42:33.383
Um,
2175
00:42:33.653 --> 00:42:34.093
and it's like,
2176
00:42:34.222 --> 00:42:34.702
to some degree,
2177
00:42:34.742 --> 00:42:35.702
I understand the anger.
2178
00:42:35.782 --> 00:42:38.693
I definitely understand the anger from like a just a morality point of view.
2179
00:42:38.982 --> 00:42:41.522
But you point out that people are outraged that Bondi wouldn't
2180
00:42:41.663 --> 00:42:42.782
say sorry to the victims.
2181
00:42:42.943 --> 00:42:43.183
But I mean,
2182
00:42:43.292 --> 00:42:43.452
when I,
2183
00:42:43.512 --> 00:42:44.262
when I was watching that hearing,
2184
00:42:44.302 --> 00:42:45.292
that that was the first thing I thought.
2185
00:42:45.302 --> 00:42:45.623
You said,
2186
00:42:45.722 --> 00:42:45.943
uh,
2187
00:42:46.143 --> 00:42:46.302
it's,
2188
00:42:46.383 --> 00:42:47.802
it's like admitting some kind of fault.
2189
00:42:47.982 --> 00:42:48.322
Um.
2190
00:42:48.555 --> 00:42:48.916
It's,
2191
00:42:49.035 --> 00:42:50.986
it's even funny because it connects back to the episode.
2192
00:42:51.395 --> 00:42:52.395
When I was talking to Rowe,
2193
00:42:52.476 --> 00:42:54.716
one of the things he said was that a potential,
2194
00:42:55.186 --> 00:42:55.795
a potential,
2195
00:42:55.875 --> 00:42:56.145
um,
2196
00:42:56.275 --> 00:42:57.256
like road forward
2197
00:42:57.395 --> 00:42:58.855
would be for the victims
2198
00:42:59.035 --> 00:42:59.275
to,
2199
00:42:59.395 --> 00:42:59.516
you know,
2200
00:42:59.635 --> 00:43:00.595
file a civil suit,
2201
00:43:00.875 --> 00:43:01.736
uh,
2202
00:43:01.756 --> 00:43:01.875
you know,
2203
00:43:01.976 --> 00:43:02.756
to get the files released,
2204
00:43:02.835 --> 00:43:02.976
right?
2205
00:43:02.996 --> 00:43:04.906
To get the government to comply with the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
2206
00:43:05.075 --> 00:43:05.145
And,
2207
00:43:05.156 --> 00:43:05.275
you know,
2208
00:43:05.355 --> 00:43:07.575
we had our whole back and forth about whether or not that's feasible.
2209
00:43:07.736 --> 00:43:09.135
I think there's gonna be standing issues,
2210
00:43:09.156 --> 00:43:09.476
or what,
2211
00:43:09.555 --> 00:43:09.676
you know,
2212
00:43:09.716 --> 00:43:09.946
whatever,
2213
00:43:09.956 --> 00:43:11.355
that's a conversation for another day.
2214
00:43:11.649 --> 00:43:12.139
Um,
2215
00:43:12.459 --> 00:43:13.899
but when I was watching that bond hearing,
2216
00:43:13.939 --> 00:43:14.780
I had the same thought of like,
2217
00:43:14.939 --> 00:43:15.330
well,
2218
00:43:15.540 --> 00:43:18.060
there probably will be a lawsuit from these victims
2219
00:43:18.060 --> 00:43:20.739
over whether it be just for monetary damages for,
2220
00:43:20.830 --> 00:43:20.939
you know,
2221
00:43:21.020 --> 00:43:21.699
the government's behavior,
2222
00:43:21.739 --> 00:43:22.520
or whether it be,
2223
00:43:22.659 --> 00:43:22.810
uh,
2224
00:43:22.899 --> 00:43:23.179
to get,
2225
00:43:23.300 --> 00:43:23.449
uh,
2226
00:43:23.530 --> 00:43:23.659
you know,
2227
00:43:23.780 --> 00:43:24.330
some sort of,
2228
00:43:24.419 --> 00:43:24.610
um,
2229
00:43:24.659 --> 00:43:26.500
motion to compel the release of the rest of the files,
2230
00:43:26.580 --> 00:43:26.899
right?
2231
00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:27.540
Um.
2232
00:43:28.050 --> 00:43:28.330
And,
2233
00:43:28.409 --> 00:43:29.570
and she,
2234
00:43:29.770 --> 00:43:29.969
you know,
2235
00:43:30.129 --> 00:43:31.729
whether or not I think she's a good attorney,
2236
00:43:31.810 --> 00:43:32.250
I don't,
2237
00:43:32.520 --> 00:43:33.449
but she is an attorney,
2238
00:43:33.570 --> 00:43:33.729
right?
2239
00:43:33.770 --> 00:43:34.689
And so in that moment she,
2240
00:43:35.010 --> 00:43:35.040
there,
2241
00:43:35.070 --> 00:43:35.100
there,
2242
00:43:35.610 --> 00:43:36.169
that was my take,
2243
00:43:36.209 --> 00:43:36.370
like,
2244
00:43:36.489 --> 00:43:36.699
you know what,
2245
00:43:36.810 --> 00:43:37.330
she probably thought,
2246
00:43:37.429 --> 00:43:37.570
you know,
2247
00:43:37.610 --> 00:43:39.050
this lawsuit is coming from these victims.
2248
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:39.729
If I turn her,
2249
00:43:39.850 --> 00:43:39.969
if,
2250
00:43:40.129 --> 00:43:43.429
if they got me on camera apologizing to them for my behavior,
2251
00:43:43.810 --> 00:43:45.149
that is not gonna help me,
2252
00:43:45.409 --> 00:43:45.610
you know,
2253
00:43:45.850 --> 00:43:45.959
when,
2254
00:43:46.010 --> 00:43:46.929
when that lawsuit gets filed,
2255
00:43:46.969 --> 00:43:48.010
that is not gonna be,
2256
00:43:48.169 --> 00:43:49.469
that's not gonna do me any favors,
2257
00:43:49.649 --> 00:43:50.010
um.
2258
00:43:50.215 --> 00:43:51.735
And so like people were looking at it like a moral thing,
2259
00:43:51.774 --> 00:43:51.925
like,
2260
00:43:51.955 --> 00:43:52.254
look at her,
2261
00:43:52.334 --> 00:43:53.094
she's so evil,
2262
00:43:53.334 --> 00:43:54.074
she won't even apologize,
2263
00:43:54.094 --> 00:43:54.445
and you know,
2264
00:43:54.534 --> 00:43:55.014
maybe,
2265
00:43:55.024 --> 00:43:55.195
you know,
2266
00:43:55.534 --> 00:43:56.905
there's some truth in that sprinkled in,
2267
00:43:56.935 --> 00:43:57.314
I suppose,
2268
00:43:57.445 --> 00:43:57.715
but
2269
00:43:58.014 --> 00:43:59.375
that's how a lot of people viewed it and I was just like,
2270
00:43:59.415 --> 00:44:02.635
I think she's just trying to save her ass when this when this lawsuit gets filed,
2271
00:44:03.054 --> 00:44:05.044
because that's not gonna be good evidence for the government,
2272
00:44:05.334 --> 00:44:08.175
having her on camera apologizing to the victims for the government's behavior
2273
00:44:08.175 --> 00:44:11.034
when the when the victims are suing for the government's behavior.
2274
00:44:11.294 --> 00:44:12.034
Oh no.
2275
00:44:13.330 --> 00:44:13.669
Um,
2276
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:15.979
I want to pull one more clip in just so we can kinda,
2277
00:44:16.370 --> 00:44:16.780
cause Marianne,
2278
00:44:16.939 --> 00:44:18.320
you and Rowe went down,
2279
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:19.250
um,
2280
00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:21.340
a little bit of a tangent in the second time you,
2281
00:44:21.459 --> 00:44:22.719
you debated with him.
2282
00:44:23.429 --> 00:44:24.850
A lot of different things came up.
2283
00:44:24.929 --> 00:44:25.429
Um,
2284
00:44:25.550 --> 00:44:28.409
so I want to give you a moment just to kind of speak to that and then I have like
2285
00:44:28.669 --> 00:44:29.790
some last questions for,
2286
00:44:29.909 --> 00:44:30.679
for both of you.
2287
00:44:30.879 --> 00:44:32.290
So here's that last clip.
2288
00:44:32.629 --> 00:44:33.669
I'm sure they had to be,
2289
00:44:33.750 --> 00:44:33.879
right?
2290
00:44:34.030 --> 00:44:35.110
Some of them had to be.
2291
00:44:35.350 --> 00:44:37.229
The frustration I have with the left is that
2292
00:44:37.229 --> 00:44:39.590
there's this demand for so much accountability when it
2293
00:44:39.590 --> 00:44:42.370
comes to the rich and the elite because you just want to hate the rich and the elite.
2294
00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:43.139
I,
2295
00:44:43.229 --> 00:44:45.100
I represent the Silicon Valley.
2296
00:44:45.110 --> 00:44:46.100
It's $20 trillion.
2297
00:44:46.550 --> 00:44:48.439
There are a lot of people like Jensen Wong,
2298
00:44:48.500 --> 00:44:49.189
who I admire,
2299
00:44:49.270 --> 00:44:50.139
who's leading,
2300
00:44:50.300 --> 00:44:50.429
uh,
2301
00:44:50.550 --> 00:44:51.149
Nvidia.
2302
00:44:51.350 --> 00:44:52.469
There are people like.
2303
00:44:52.610 --> 00:44:53.209
I get sidetracked,
2304
00:44:53.290 --> 00:44:53.560
sorry.
2305
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.229
So my frustration is as a
2306
00:44:56.409 --> 00:44:58.010
regular everyday American citizen,
2307
00:44:58.129 --> 00:45:03.189
I feel that I am more likely to be harmed by democratic policies such as open borders
2308
00:45:03.370 --> 00:45:04.439
because in your states,
2309
00:45:05.010 --> 00:45:05.290
OK,
2310
00:45:05.409 --> 00:45:06.469
so but in your state,
2311
00:45:06.699 --> 00:45:10.330
something like 4600 or so illegal migrants that
2312
00:45:10.330 --> 00:45:13.040
had criminal records were re-released from jail.
2313
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.290
So when we're talking about harming Americans,
2314
00:45:15.399 --> 00:45:16.830
when we're talking about children
2315
00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:18.100
potentially being harmed,
2316
00:45:18.189 --> 00:45:19.810
when we're looking into child trafficking,
2317
00:45:19.919 --> 00:45:21.709
we have to acknowledge that illegal migration
2318
00:45:21.810 --> 00:45:21.969
is.
2319
00:45:22.110 --> 00:45:24.270
Biggest funnel for child trafficking.
2320
00:45:24.550 --> 00:45:27.830
So when we're worried about Epstein with a couple of people and you guys turn
2321
00:45:27.830 --> 00:45:32.750
a blind eye to tens of thousands of children being harmed by your policies,
2322
00:45:32.929 --> 00:45:34.870
that's a problem we have been for a secure border.
2323
00:45:34.939 --> 00:45:35.850
But here's what I want.
2324
00:45:36.629 --> 00:45:38.909
No one in California can say that they're for a secure border.
2325
00:45:38.969 --> 00:45:39.030
Well,
2326
00:45:39.070 --> 00:45:40.629
that's a policy I've been pushing for.
2327
00:45:40.709 --> 00:45:41.649
But let me say this.
2328
00:45:41.969 --> 00:45:43.850
Instead of having ICE raids
2329
00:45:44.110 --> 00:45:46.949
in places like Minneapolis killing Americans like
2330
00:45:46.949 --> 00:45:50.209
Alex Preddy and Renee Good and doing raids
2331
00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:50.729
on
2332
00:45:50.830 --> 00:45:51.469
undocumented.
2333
00:45:51.610 --> 00:45:54.979
Folks here who may be paying taxes and having a restaurant,
2334
00:45:55.169 --> 00:45:58.409
how about we have the focus on the border to stop the
2335
00:45:58.409 --> 00:46:01.560
terrorists or to stop the gangs or to stop sex trafficking.
2336
00:46:01.729 --> 00:46:03.610
I'd rather if you're worried about sex trafficking,
2337
00:46:03.770 --> 00:46:06.489
why is your focus on the on rich people
2338
00:46:06.489 --> 00:46:09.610
who are committing significantly less sex trafficking crimes,
2339
00:46:09.689 --> 00:46:10.989
not saying that they're innocent,
2340
00:46:11.209 --> 00:46:11.679
but your,
2341
00:46:11.770 --> 00:46:16.090
your anger towards this seems very skewed and very hypocritical is because,
2342
00:46:16.330 --> 00:46:16.399
yeah,
2343
00:46:16.489 --> 00:46:16.800
Marion,
2344
00:46:16.850 --> 00:46:17.209
you didn't,
2345
00:46:17.290 --> 00:46:18.729
you didn't let them off the hook.
2346
00:46:18.879 --> 00:46:19.350
Um,
2347
00:46:19.770 --> 00:46:20.979
what's it like seeing that back?
2348
00:46:22.750 --> 00:46:23.110
You know,
2349
00:46:23.189 --> 00:46:23.709
I gotta say,
2350
00:46:23.750 --> 00:46:25.419
I'm actually very glad to see it,
2351
00:46:25.429 --> 00:46:25.669
um,
2352
00:46:25.870 --> 00:46:28.090
because I went back thinking about it.
2353
00:46:28.270 --> 00:46:28.550
I was like,
2354
00:46:28.590 --> 00:46:28.750
oh,
2355
00:46:28.790 --> 00:46:29.919
you got a little bit riled up,
2356
00:46:29.989 --> 00:46:30.310
Marian.
2357
00:46:30.389 --> 00:46:30.939
Like you could have,
2358
00:46:31.070 --> 00:46:31.449
you know,
2359
00:46:31.750 --> 00:46:32.429
calmed down,
2360
00:46:32.510 --> 00:46:34.090
but then I'm very glad that I
2361
00:46:34.830 --> 00:46:35.229
kept going.
2362
00:46:35.270 --> 00:46:38.750
I'm glad I kept pushing because this is such a frustration for me
2363
00:46:39.189 --> 00:46:41.830
when I speak to people on the left and I watch these,
2364
00:46:41.909 --> 00:46:42.070
you know,
2365
00:46:42.139 --> 00:46:43.870
politicians come out and do their press,
2366
00:46:43.989 --> 00:46:44.149
you know,
2367
00:46:44.229 --> 00:46:44.780
conferences,
2368
00:46:44.790 --> 00:46:45.320
and they
2369
00:46:45.709 --> 00:46:46.929
point such a.
2370
00:46:47.810 --> 00:46:48.520
Funnel or such,
2371
00:46:48.629 --> 00:46:49.510
such a light
2372
00:46:49.770 --> 00:46:50.310
on
2373
00:46:50.530 --> 00:46:54.159
a very small sector of the overall problem,
2374
00:46:54.409 --> 00:46:54.580
right?
2375
00:46:54.649 --> 00:46:55.030
Like
2376
00:46:55.409 --> 00:46:56.989
there are so many.
2377
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.250
Crimes being committed
2378
00:46:59.469 --> 00:47:02.040
by illegal migrants in this country and just overall,
2379
00:47:02.189 --> 00:47:02.729
you know,
2380
00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:06.709
Democrat policies that enable more crime down the line.
2381
00:47:07.070 --> 00:47:10.649
But then when they want to be re-elected and they know that their base
2382
00:47:11.189 --> 00:47:13.260
considers themselves the little guy,
2383
00:47:13.790 --> 00:47:14.550
considers themselves,
2384
00:47:14.669 --> 00:47:14.830
you know,
2385
00:47:14.949 --> 00:47:15.989
the everyday American,
2386
00:47:16.030 --> 00:47:16.570
and they
2387
00:47:16.790 --> 00:47:18.449
want someone to hate,
2388
00:47:18.709 --> 00:47:22.330
it's a lot easier for them to point the blame at the rich and powerful.
2389
00:47:22.540 --> 00:47:23.620
And ignoring,
2390
00:47:23.899 --> 00:47:23.989
uh,
2391
00:47:24.110 --> 00:47:24.979
like I said earlier,
2392
00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:28.479
where is the money that we're already giving to this country going,
2393
00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:29.050
right?
2394
00:47:29.459 --> 00:47:30.649
Why is it that I,
2395
00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:31.379
as a mom,
2396
00:47:31.419 --> 00:47:32.260
a single mom,
2397
00:47:32.489 --> 00:47:35.929
when I needed financial assistance and I needed help with my rent,
2398
00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:37.250
I couldn't get approved.
2399
00:47:37.340 --> 00:47:38.939
But if I came in and I said,
2400
00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:39.139
Oh,
2401
00:47:39.209 --> 00:47:40.129
my name is Maria,
2402
00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:40.580
sorry,
2403
00:47:40.659 --> 00:47:44.300
I don't have my ID and I just got here from Dominican Republic,
2404
00:47:44.500 --> 00:47:47.280
I would have gotten more money from my state here in New York City.
2405
00:47:47.620 --> 00:47:50.010
Because that's the way that this system is working.
2406
00:47:50.090 --> 00:47:51.689
It is completely ignoring
2407
00:47:51.850 --> 00:47:53.199
the everyday American that needs,
2408
00:47:53.489 --> 00:47:53.679
you know,
2409
00:47:53.850 --> 00:47:54.850
help from our country.
2410
00:47:54.969 --> 00:47:56.070
So when we're talking about
2411
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:56.959
sexual assault,
2412
00:47:57.129 --> 00:47:57.350
especially,
2413
00:47:57.409 --> 00:48:00.199
it's insane to ignore the crazy numbers,
2414
00:48:00.209 --> 00:48:03.129
even specifically happening in California.
2415
00:48:03.370 --> 00:48:03.530
You know,
2416
00:48:03.649 --> 00:48:05.229
earlier I mentioned it was something like
2417
00:48:05.330 --> 00:48:08.350
7000 sex offenders are re-released
2418
00:48:08.689 --> 00:48:12.510
from prison in California alone every single year.
2419
00:48:12.870 --> 00:48:16.149
And and Rowe is saying that we need to focus on this Epstein class,
2420
00:48:16.189 --> 00:48:17.169
and the reality is
2421
00:48:17.350 --> 00:48:20.310
the people that are actually hurting the majority of Americans
2422
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.250
are regular everyday sex offenders that live right next door to us
2423
00:48:24.389 --> 00:48:26.209
that got an easy slap on the wrist
2424
00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:28.189
from a democratic government.
2425
00:48:28.919 --> 00:48:29.520
Mhm.
2426
00:48:29.919 --> 00:48:30.000
Yeah,
2427
00:48:30.080 --> 00:48:30.620
I can't,
2428
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:31.439
you know,
2429
00:48:31.520 --> 00:48:32.520
corroborate all the,
2430
00:48:32.600 --> 00:48:34.080
the statistics that you're saying,
2431
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:34.800
but I hear,
2432
00:48:34.879 --> 00:48:35.040
you know,
2433
00:48:35.120 --> 00:48:35.899
the gist of it,
2434
00:48:35.919 --> 00:48:36.949
and I think,
2435
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:37.790
you know,
2436
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.260
you're one of many who,
2437
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:41.320
you know,
2438
00:48:41.399 --> 00:48:41.469
I,
2439
00:48:41.560 --> 00:48:41.639
I,
2440
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:45.159
I take it you're not supporting Gavin Newsom's run for president,
2441
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.360
and I think there's a lot of criticism moving towards California
2442
00:48:48.600 --> 00:48:50.699
and uh similar cities that have
2443
00:48:51.919 --> 00:48:53.040
Developed softer
2444
00:48:53.709 --> 00:48:54.090
approaches
2445
00:48:54.310 --> 00:48:54.959
to
2446
00:48:55.189 --> 00:48:57.540
petty crimes and how that can kind of
2447
00:48:57.879 --> 00:49:01.840
turn into this revolving door system where it seems like people go into jail,
2448
00:49:01.879 --> 00:49:03.260
they immediately go out and
2449
00:49:03.600 --> 00:49:05.300
eventually one of those people commits
2450
00:49:05.959 --> 00:49:09.020
a really horrific crime and it feels like
2451
00:49:09.469 --> 00:49:11.219
um that was a failing.
2452
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:13.149
Of those leaders.
2453
00:49:13.399 --> 00:49:14.520
And so I hear you there,
2454
00:49:14.560 --> 00:49:16.360
and I think there's a lot of credibility there and
2455
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.639
I think there's a really serious conversation to have.
2456
00:49:18.959 --> 00:49:20.909
A question I have for you though is,
2457
00:49:20.919 --> 00:49:21.399
um,
2458
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:22.320
just because you've,
2459
00:49:22.399 --> 00:49:23.290
you've mentioned you're,
2460
00:49:23.439 --> 00:49:24.300
you're very,
2461
00:49:24.620 --> 00:49:25.239
um,
2462
00:49:26.189 --> 00:49:26.760
Or I guess you're,
2463
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.280
you're aligned with Trump and,
2464
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:28.780
and
2465
00:49:28.919 --> 00:49:29.080
you,
2466
00:49:29.179 --> 00:49:30.000
you don't think this,
2467
00:49:30.120 --> 00:49:31.979
this Epstein stuff really
2468
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:33.939
tarnishes your view of him
2469
00:49:34.600 --> 00:49:36.189
because you have kind of a realist view of him.
2470
00:49:36.520 --> 00:49:38.479
Do you feel that way overall,
2471
00:49:38.560 --> 00:49:40.840
just like when we look holistically since he's the
2472
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.419
president now and we obviously have this new war,
2473
00:49:44.080 --> 00:49:44.189
are,
2474
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.649
is any of your support wavering towards him?
2475
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.020
Do you feel a similar sense of
2476
00:49:50.330 --> 00:49:51.340
Of um
2477
00:49:51.620 --> 00:49:55.800
criticism towards him as a leader that you do towards Californians as a leader.
2478
00:49:56.929 --> 00:49:57.959
Or Californian leaders,
2479
00:49:57.969 --> 00:49:58.350
I mean.
2480
00:49:59.909 --> 00:50:00.469
No,
2481
00:50:00.709 --> 00:50:01.379
I really don't.
2482
00:50:01.469 --> 00:50:03.689
I think there's something about the.
2483
00:50:05.250 --> 00:50:07.800
What what people haven't done when it comes to Trump
2484
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:09.040
being a politician,
2485
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.780
they haven't looked into his past and his previous
2486
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.479
interviews and just the way that he's been thinking in general,
2487
00:50:16.560 --> 00:50:16.870
right?
2488
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:19.239
Trump is not saying or doing anything new.
2489
00:50:19.439 --> 00:50:21.239
If you look at old interviews with Trump,
2490
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:25.239
he speaks about how the country is robbing the everyday American,
2491
00:50:25.340 --> 00:50:27.419
how our money is just being taken from us and,
2492
00:50:27.560 --> 00:50:27.939
you know.
2493
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.149
Used for the raw um reasons,
2494
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.979
and the fact that America in general is not doing enough
2495
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.320
when it comes to being a global superpower,
2496
00:50:37.520 --> 00:50:37.649
right?
2497
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.679
We're letting ourselves be robbed by things like who and NATO,
2498
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:41.199
etc.
2499
00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:44.629
and China with perpetually stealing our patents and,
2500
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:45.060
you know,
2501
00:50:45.270 --> 00:50:46.219
knocking off our,
2502
00:50:46.229 --> 00:50:48.260
our products that are made here in America.
2503
00:50:49.629 --> 00:50:50.979
Trump is one of the few presidents,
2504
00:50:50.989 --> 00:50:52.030
in my opinion,
2505
00:50:52.350 --> 00:50:52.729
that
2506
00:50:52.830 --> 00:50:57.590
is so unshakeable when it comes to just not caring about whether or
2507
00:50:57.590 --> 00:51:00.679
not people have his support or whether or not he has people's support.
2508
00:51:00.870 --> 00:51:04.060
He gets things done that we need to have done here.
2509
00:51:04.149 --> 00:51:04.479
So,
2510
00:51:04.750 --> 00:51:05.429
for instance,
2511
00:51:05.510 --> 00:51:05.669
you know,
2512
00:51:05.790 --> 00:51:06.570
he's had
2513
00:51:07.030 --> 00:51:08.139
many um
2514
00:51:08.550 --> 00:51:10.669
different companies that have agreed to
2515
00:51:10.669 --> 00:51:12.850
move manufacturing back to the United States
2516
00:51:13.389 --> 00:51:14.520
because of the tariffs and no one.
2517
00:51:14.655 --> 00:51:15.534
No one talks about that.
2518
00:51:15.774 --> 00:51:18.604
No one talks about the fact that we need more jobs here in the states,
2519
00:51:18.854 --> 00:51:19.054
right?
2520
00:51:19.294 --> 00:51:20.334
No one talks about the fact that,
2521
00:51:20.415 --> 00:51:20.655
you know,
2522
00:51:20.774 --> 00:51:22.354
as we have these open borders,
2523
00:51:22.544 --> 00:51:26.834
we have Americans of lesser means or of lower education levels
2524
00:51:26.975 --> 00:51:29.485
who are getting priced out of jobs that they need,
2525
00:51:29.614 --> 00:51:31.284
physical labor jobs that they need,
2526
00:51:31.655 --> 00:51:31.995
because,
2527
00:51:32.014 --> 00:51:32.175
uh,
2528
00:51:32.215 --> 00:51:32.455
uh,
2529
00:51:32.495 --> 00:51:32.655
you know,
2530
00:51:32.735 --> 00:51:34.195
migrants can come and do it
2531
00:51:34.375 --> 00:51:37.135
for cheaper because those migrants are not paying income tax,
2532
00:51:37.375 --> 00:51:38.935
but Americans have to pay income tax,
2533
00:51:39.014 --> 00:51:39.195
right?
2534
00:51:39.375 --> 00:51:39.675
So.
2535
00:51:40.429 --> 00:51:41.159
When I look at Trump,
2536
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.760
there's certain things that I like just the other day he said,
2537
00:51:43.909 --> 00:51:44.169
you know,
2538
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.239
what on Resurrection Sunday,
2539
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:47.300
he dropped a couple
2540
00:51:47.469 --> 00:51:51.120
like F-bombs in a tweet and everyone lost their minds and I'm like,
2541
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:54.080
Open the straight is what he said.
2542
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.100
Open the ffing straight,
2543
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:56.370
right?
2544
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:56.979
But
2545
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:58.520
The thing about it for me,
2546
00:51:58.639 --> 00:51:58.879
I,
2547
00:51:58.959 --> 00:51:59.080
you know,
2548
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:00.840
I always tell people I'm a real estate agent,
2549
00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:03.629
and I've been doing real estate here in New York City for 8 years,
2550
00:52:04.110 --> 00:52:04.719
and
2551
00:52:04.959 --> 00:52:06.439
that's just how these guys talk.
2552
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:07.760
That's just how,
2553
00:52:07.770 --> 00:52:08.129
uh,
2554
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:08.570
uh,
2555
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.199
you know,
2556
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:10.939
very wealthy
2557
00:52:11.399 --> 00:52:14.560
New York City real estate mogul is going to talk.
2558
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:15.919
They'll go into a room together,
2559
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:17.280
they'll curse each other out,
2560
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.030
they'll talk about each other's grandmother,
2561
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.629
and then they'll sign a contract,
2562
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:21.350
and they'll go.
2563
00:52:21.610 --> 00:52:22.280
And you know,
2564
00:52:22.530 --> 00:52:25.520
have drinks together at a bar next door because it's business,
2565
00:52:25.570 --> 00:52:26.469
it's not personal.
2566
00:52:26.770 --> 00:52:28.620
So when you see even when Trump
2567
00:52:28.969 --> 00:52:30.750
was able to sit down with Mandami
2568
00:52:30.929 --> 00:52:32.360
and shake his hand and everything,
2569
00:52:32.449 --> 00:52:36.010
like this is Trump is a businessman and I think that's what the country needs.
2570
00:52:36.129 --> 00:52:37.709
So I'm comfortable with the fact that
2571
00:52:37.850 --> 00:52:39.169
he's not going to make everyone happy.
2572
00:52:39.250 --> 00:52:40.909
He's going to ruffle some feathers,
2573
00:52:41.169 --> 00:52:42.750
but I think he's doing what is
2574
00:52:42.889 --> 00:52:43.250
needed,
2575
00:52:43.260 --> 00:52:43.610
and I,
2576
00:52:43.689 --> 00:52:44.969
I still fully support him.
2577
00:52:45.010 --> 00:52:45.570
I really do.
2578
00:52:46.590 --> 00:52:46.790
Yeah,
2579
00:52:46.909 --> 00:52:51.689
so you're not buying into this conspiracy theory that he started the war to
2580
00:52:51.949 --> 00:52:53.949
draw our attention away from the Epstein files.
2581
00:52:54.919 --> 00:52:55.080
No,
2582
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:55.360
I mean,
2583
00:52:55.439 --> 00:52:55.840
first of all,
2584
00:52:55.919 --> 00:52:57.360
what is starting the war?
2585
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:58.860
We've we've been
2586
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.080
at odds with Iran
2587
00:53:01.560 --> 00:53:02.580
since I was a child,
2588
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:02.969
right?
2589
00:53:03.050 --> 00:53:04.020
Like it's Iran.
2590
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.250
It's really upsetting me that people are acting
2591
00:53:06.250 --> 00:53:08.280
like Trump created an issue with Iran.
2592
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:09.399
It's Iran.
2593
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.040
Trump is the first president in a while to acknowledge the fact that letting
2594
00:53:13.040 --> 00:53:15.620
them have any type of nuclear capabilities
2595
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:18.709
is absolutely ridiculous because they hate us.
2596
00:53:19.689 --> 00:53:22.030
They hate us with every fiber of their being.
2597
00:53:22.129 --> 00:53:23.669
So letting them even touch
2598
00:53:23.810 --> 00:53:24.389
nuclear,
2599
00:53:24.449 --> 00:53:24.989
you know,
2600
00:53:25.370 --> 00:53:26.899
nuclear power plants or,
2601
00:53:26.909 --> 00:53:27.179
you know,
2602
00:53:27.449 --> 00:53:30.580
start to build their own nuclear power plants is absolutely
2603
00:53:32.389 --> 00:53:32.969
Idioacy.
2604
00:53:33.070 --> 00:53:33.770
It's idiocy.
2605
00:53:33.870 --> 00:53:35.250
You cannot let your
2606
00:53:35.669 --> 00:53:39.870
supreme haters have the biggest weapons known to man.
2607
00:53:40.959 --> 00:53:41.439
Mhm.
2608
00:53:42.580 --> 00:53:43.860
I'm so tempted to keep
2609
00:53:44.139 --> 00:53:45.419
talking about the war in Iran,
2610
00:53:45.540 --> 00:53:45.879
but,
2611
00:53:45.889 --> 00:53:46.399
uh,
2612
00:53:46.409 --> 00:53:47.399
you'll have to bring me back.
2613
00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:48.129
I saw that you guys have to do another one.
2614
00:53:48.139 --> 00:53:48.219
We'll have to do that.
2615
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.010
We'll have to do a surrounded dedicated to that.
2616
00:53:54.550 --> 00:53:54.560
Um,
2617
00:53:54.570 --> 00:53:55.260
any final thoughts,
2618
00:53:55.340 --> 00:53:55.689
Andrew?
2619
00:53:55.699 --> 00:53:56.879
You've been patiently
2620
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:57.820
waiting.
2621
00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.860
You wanna offer any of your final thoughts on the
2622
00:53:59.860 --> 00:54:01.919
Epstein files or where you think this is going,
2623
00:54:02.459 --> 00:54:02.959
um,
2624
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:03.459
to,
2625
00:54:03.560 --> 00:54:05.159
to play out in the near future.
2626
00:54:05.939 --> 00:54:06.489
Um,
2627
00:54:06.790 --> 00:54:06.909
I,
2628
00:54:06.989 --> 00:54:07.530
I,
2629
00:54:08.629 --> 00:54:09.649
I don't even know how to
2630
00:54:10.110 --> 00:54:10.939
begin to answer this.
2631
00:54:11.189 --> 00:54:11.850
I think the,
2632
00:54:11.870 --> 00:54:12.179
the,
2633
00:54:12.550 --> 00:54:15.250
the actual answer is we can't really know where it's gonna go.
2634
00:54:15.300 --> 00:54:15.510
Um,
2635
00:54:15.550 --> 00:54:18.189
I think it's like super heavily depends on how the midterms go.
2636
00:54:18.469 --> 00:54:20.739
Like if Democrats take control of the House,
2637
00:54:20.830 --> 00:54:21.179
um,
2638
00:54:21.350 --> 00:54:21.550
well,
2639
00:54:21.669 --> 00:54:22.169
that's
2640
00:54:22.669 --> 00:54:23.959
almost a foregone conclusion at this point,
2641
00:54:24.060 --> 00:54:24.290
but,
2642
00:54:24.429 --> 00:54:24.629
uh,
2643
00:54:24.709 --> 00:54:25.840
if they take control of the Senate,
2644
00:54:25.989 --> 00:54:26.350
um.
2645
00:54:26.959 --> 00:54:28.750
We might see some more motion on it,
2646
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:29.379
but again,
2647
00:54:30.040 --> 00:54:31.389
all of that's kind of irrelevant,
2648
00:54:31.560 --> 00:54:32.479
not even kind of irrelevant.
2649
00:54:32.540 --> 00:54:35.379
It's pretty entirely irrelevant to me whether we get like
2650
00:54:35.510 --> 00:54:38.750
motion on the Epstein files issue on like the political side of things.
2651
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:39.699
I don't care.
2652
00:54:39.909 --> 00:54:40.300
Um,
2653
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:41.070
you know,
2654
00:54:41.560 --> 00:54:42.070
as the,
2655
00:54:42.600 --> 00:54:44.149
I've said it two or three times now at this point,
2656
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:44.879
but it remains true,
2657
00:54:44.959 --> 00:54:45.120
you know,
2658
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:46.040
as it relates to the,
2659
00:54:46.120 --> 00:54:46.899
the files themselves,
2660
00:54:47.479 --> 00:54:47.939
um,
2661
00:54:48.379 --> 00:54:48.820
my
2662
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:49.879
only concern,
2663
00:54:49.959 --> 00:54:50.560
my main concern,
2664
00:54:50.580 --> 00:54:50.919
and yeah,
2665
00:54:51.020 --> 00:54:52.149
only concern is,
2666
00:54:52.620 --> 00:54:52.629
uh,
2667
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.280
is to prosecute crimes that occurred,
2668
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:54.479
right?
2669
00:54:54.550 --> 00:54:55.010
And so,
2670
00:54:55.510 --> 00:54:55.800
Is it,
2671
00:54:55.959 --> 00:54:56.919
it's super possible that,
2672
00:54:56.979 --> 00:54:57.120
you know,
2673
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.080
we're gonna see a bazillion subpoenas,
2674
00:54:59.280 --> 00:54:59.800
uh,
2675
00:54:59.919 --> 00:55:00.149
you know,
2676
00:55:00.399 --> 00:55:01.300
post midterms,
2677
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:01.719
uh,
2678
00:55:01.889 --> 00:55:01.909
for,
2679
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:02.120
you know,
2680
00:55:02.229 --> 00:55:03.540
of the new AG and of
2681
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.399
various DOJ people and it's like over the Epstein files issue,
2682
00:55:06.530 --> 00:55:06.560
yeah,
2683
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:07.310
we might see a ton of that.
2684
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.080
We'll probably see,
2685
00:55:08.300 --> 00:55:08.709
um,
2686
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.979
you'll probably see the House drag in a bunch of people that are,
2687
00:55:12.439 --> 00:55:12.600
you know,
2688
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:13.459
in the files.
2689
00:55:14.010 --> 00:55:14.209
You know,
2690
00:55:14.290 --> 00:55:15.310
to bring him in to testify,
2691
00:55:15.610 --> 00:55:16.969
like those are things that will probably happen,
2692
00:55:17.050 --> 00:55:18.199
but I just don't care,
2693
00:55:18.419 --> 00:55:18.610
you know,
2694
00:55:18.850 --> 00:55:19.590
if none of it,
2695
00:55:19.689 --> 00:55:21.070
if none of it leads to
2696
00:55:21.560 --> 00:55:22.830
prosecutions for
2697
00:55:23.169 --> 00:55:24.379
crimes that actually occurred,
2698
00:55:24.610 --> 00:55:25.040
um,
2699
00:55:25.310 --> 00:55:25.639
then it's,
2700
00:55:25.689 --> 00:55:26.679
it's all irrelevant to me,
2701
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:27.229
uh,
2702
00:55:27.489 --> 00:55:27.610
you know,
2703
00:55:27.689 --> 00:55:27.729
I,
2704
00:55:27.889 --> 00:55:28.250
I kind of,
2705
00:55:28.570 --> 00:55:29.570
there's one part of this,
2706
00:55:29.770 --> 00:55:29.929
you know,
2707
00:55:30.090 --> 00:55:32.050
Marianne and I have a lot of disagreements,
2708
00:55:32.129 --> 00:55:32.360
uh,
2709
00:55:32.489 --> 00:55:33.060
for sure,
2710
00:55:33.370 --> 00:55:34.310
but I think one thing that we,
2711
00:55:34.409 --> 00:55:34.530
I,
2712
00:55:34.610 --> 00:55:37.370
I kind of agree on is that a lot of this has just been political theater.
2713
00:55:37.449 --> 00:55:38.129
I do think that,
2714
00:55:38.169 --> 00:55:38.669
um,
2715
00:55:39.010 --> 00:55:39.120
I,
2716
00:55:39.209 --> 00:55:39.830
I think that
2717
00:55:40.090 --> 00:55:41.070
those involved
2718
00:55:41.250 --> 00:55:41.689
in
2719
00:55:41.979 --> 00:55:42.000
You know,
2720
00:55:42.899 --> 00:55:44.219
pushing the Epstein File stuff as,
2721
00:55:44.300 --> 00:55:44.459
you know,
2722
00:55:44.500 --> 00:55:45.520
as hard as they have been,
2723
00:55:45.830 --> 00:55:46.020
um,
2724
00:55:46.100 --> 00:55:46.800
not everybody,
2725
00:55:46.899 --> 00:55:49.060
there are probably people involved here that just like,
2726
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:49.379
were like,
2727
00:55:49.449 --> 00:55:49.540
yeah,
2728
00:55:49.659 --> 00:55:49.780
sure,
2729
00:55:49.850 --> 00:55:51.020
it's a good idea to get these out,
2730
00:55:51.060 --> 00:55:51.179
like,
2731
00:55:51.219 --> 00:55:51.889
and people want it,
2732
00:55:51.939 --> 00:55:52.620
so let's just do it.
2733
00:55:52.860 --> 00:55:54.580
But I think quite a few of them are just like,
2734
00:55:54.620 --> 00:55:56.800
this is a crazy political opportunity,
2735
00:55:56.860 --> 00:55:58.399
this is gonna be great for my career,
2736
00:55:58.580 --> 00:55:59.060
and so they,
2737
00:55:59.179 --> 00:56:00.760
and so that's why they're pushing it so hard,
2738
00:56:01.030 --> 00:56:01.500
um.
2739
00:56:02.709 --> 00:56:02.719
And
2740
00:56:03.350 --> 00:56:03.790
so
2741
00:56:03.949 --> 00:56:04.149
you know,
2742
00:56:04.409 --> 00:56:04.469
as,
2743
00:56:04.590 --> 00:56:05.469
as far as that's concerned,
2744
00:56:05.550 --> 00:56:05.669
you know,
2745
00:56:05.750 --> 00:56:06.370
as far as,
2746
00:56:06.989 --> 00:56:07.590
as far as like,
2747
00:56:07.629 --> 00:56:07.790
you know,
2748
00:56:07.870 --> 00:56:09.889
people continuing to push on this
2749
00:56:10.270 --> 00:56:10.889
to further,
2750
00:56:11.070 --> 00:56:11.270
you know,
2751
00:56:11.389 --> 00:56:11.750
you know,
2752
00:56:12.250 --> 00:56:13.750
boost their name recognition or,
2753
00:56:13.830 --> 00:56:13.949
you know,
2754
00:56:14.030 --> 00:56:14.590
help out their careers,
2755
00:56:14.669 --> 00:56:15.020
I just,
2756
00:56:15.070 --> 00:56:15.580
I'm checked out.
2757
00:56:15.629 --> 00:56:16.149
I don't care.
2758
00:56:16.419 --> 00:56:16.750
Never did,
2759
00:56:16.909 --> 00:56:18.090
but I really don't care now.
2760
00:56:18.550 --> 00:56:20.709
I think you make a really good point though is there will,
2761
00:56:20.790 --> 00:56:22.860
let's assume midterms are,
2762
00:56:22.909 --> 00:56:23.500
um,
2763
00:56:23.830 --> 00:56:24.030
uh,
2764
00:56:24.090 --> 00:56:24.870
a wave or,
2765
00:56:24.949 --> 00:56:25.129
you know,
2766
00:56:25.189 --> 00:56:26.370
a blue wave that,
2767
00:56:26.750 --> 00:56:28.290
that does take the House and the Senate.
2768
00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:32.360
Democrats will be in a position where they do have to really choose
2769
00:56:33.060 --> 00:56:34.560
carefully what they want.
2770
00:56:35.449 --> 00:56:35.989
To
2771
00:56:36.739 --> 00:56:38.199
The public to relive,
2772
00:56:38.419 --> 00:56:41.870
and I think with the Epstein Files specifically you make a good point it's like
2773
00:56:42.689 --> 00:56:43.030
Yes,
2774
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:44.469
crimes that have
2775
00:56:44.770 --> 00:56:47.530
credible proof and evidence should be prosecuted,
2776
00:56:47.649 --> 00:56:49.830
but that doesn't necessarily need to happen
2777
00:56:50.209 --> 00:56:51.389
in a public hearing,
2778
00:56:51.689 --> 00:56:51.870
um,
2779
00:56:52.129 --> 00:56:52.929
and a whole new,
2780
00:56:53.050 --> 00:56:53.169
you know,
2781
00:56:53.290 --> 00:56:55.229
several new cycles of headlines because
2782
00:56:55.969 --> 00:56:56.750
those are,
2783
00:56:57.050 --> 00:57:02.030
those events are divisive in and of themselves and tend to sometimes degrade
2784
00:57:02.449 --> 00:57:04.709
the public's perception of them to begin with.
2785
00:57:04.850 --> 00:57:04.909
Oh,
2786
00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:05.600
here she is,
2787
00:57:06.010 --> 00:57:06.429
so.
2788
00:57:06.879 --> 00:57:07.760
I think you make a good point,
2789
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:08.000
you know,
2790
00:57:08.120 --> 00:57:08.620
like if they,
2791
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:10.179
if they really do have
2792
00:57:10.399 --> 00:57:12.360
all three bra branches,
2793
00:57:12.439 --> 00:57:12.870
they,
2794
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.060
they're gonna have to really carefully pick and choose
2795
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:16.419
what they choose to do with that.
2796
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:16.959
Yeah,
2797
00:57:17.080 --> 00:57:18.090
and if you haven't
2798
00:57:18.500 --> 00:57:19.479
pieced it together already,
2799
00:57:19.560 --> 00:57:20.479
like I'm very,
2800
00:57:20.600 --> 00:57:20.800
very,
2801
00:57:20.879 --> 00:57:24.780
very big on like on rule of law and institutions and procedure,
2802
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:25.080
uh,
2803
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:25.280
you know,
2804
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.419
I started making political content specifically to advocate for
2805
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:30.000
constitutionalism and,
2806
00:57:30.080 --> 00:57:30.860
and rule of law,
2807
00:57:31.040 --> 00:57:31.419
and
2808
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:32.479
there is a reason.
2809
00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:34.320
I just wanna say some sometimes like we,
2810
00:57:34.669 --> 00:57:35.689
sometimes we lose sight
2811
00:57:35.879 --> 00:57:36.040
of,
2812
00:57:36.120 --> 00:57:36.239
you know,
2813
00:57:36.310 --> 00:57:36.479
we
2814
00:57:36.725 --> 00:57:38.524
Rules or norms in place
2815
00:57:38.685 --> 00:57:41.844
and we kind of lose sight over like why they're there and we just think like,
2816
00:57:41.885 --> 00:57:42.044
oh,
2817
00:57:42.084 --> 00:57:42.885
that's a useless rule,
2818
00:57:42.955 --> 00:57:44.314
let's just get rid of that or that like,
2819
00:57:44.324 --> 00:57:44.445
why,
2820
00:57:44.594 --> 00:57:45.794
why have we been following that norm,
2821
00:57:45.804 --> 00:57:46.524
like that's not doing anything,
2822
00:57:46.604 --> 00:57:47.114
let's get rid of that.
2823
00:57:47.125 --> 00:57:49.034
And I feel like we're too quick to like toss stuff like that away.
2824
00:57:49.235 --> 00:57:50.834
We don't like think there's a really,
2825
00:57:50.965 --> 00:57:53.514
really good reason for some of these things to be in place.
2826
00:57:53.645 --> 00:57:54.665
And what I'm getting at is like,
2827
00:57:55.084 --> 00:57:55.745
the DOJ.
2828
00:57:57.189 --> 00:57:58.899
They do not comment,
2829
00:57:59.149 --> 00:57:59.350
you know,
2830
00:57:59.429 --> 00:57:59.949
historically.
2831
00:58:00.620 --> 00:58:01.379
Now things have changed,
2832
00:58:01.540 --> 00:58:02.429
and I don't like that.
2833
00:58:02.669 --> 00:58:02.969
Uh,
2834
00:58:03.310 --> 00:58:04.449
things have changed in the last year.
2835
00:58:04.870 --> 00:58:05.949
They've changed in the last year or so,
2836
00:58:06.070 --> 00:58:06.350
not too,
2837
00:58:06.469 --> 00:58:07.189
not too happy with it,
2838
00:58:07.270 --> 00:58:07.570
but
2839
00:58:07.870 --> 00:58:08.030
for,
2840
00:58:08.149 --> 00:58:08.669
for the,
2841
00:58:08.709 --> 00:58:12.379
the norm has always been that the DOJ does not comment on ongoing investigations.
2842
00:58:12.580 --> 00:58:13.709
They don't release anything.
2843
00:58:13.790 --> 00:58:14.830
There's a reason that there,
2844
00:58:14.909 --> 00:58:17.629
we have laws in place to protect grand jury information.
2845
00:58:17.979 --> 00:58:18.429
Um,
2846
00:58:18.989 --> 00:58:20.149
because like it's not really hard,
2847
00:58:20.229 --> 00:58:22.300
it's not very hard to secure an indictment in a grand jury,
2848
00:58:22.350 --> 00:58:23.870
but it is hard to secure a conviction.
2849
00:58:24.030 --> 00:58:25.139
It's a way different standard of evidence.
2850
00:58:25.229 --> 00:58:25.409
So,
2851
00:58:25.510 --> 00:58:26.629
we don't release grand jury information,
2852
00:58:26.709 --> 00:58:28.310
we don't comment on ongoing investigations,
2853
00:58:28.419 --> 00:58:30.110
we don't release anything.
2854
00:58:30.449 --> 00:58:32.610
Until the trial and until we have a conviction,
2855
00:58:32.689 --> 00:58:32.850
right,
2856
00:58:32.929 --> 00:58:33.199
like we,
2857
00:58:33.250 --> 00:58:34.689
we just don't do the DOJ doesn't do that.
2858
00:58:34.729 --> 00:58:35.250
They never have.
2859
00:58:35.449 --> 00:58:35.570
Well,
2860
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:36.040
they do now,
2861
00:58:36.209 --> 00:58:36.590
but they,
2862
00:58:36.889 --> 00:58:37.010
they,
2863
00:58:37.129 --> 00:58:38.050
they never have in the past,
2864
00:58:38.250 --> 00:58:38.449
um,
2865
00:58:38.560 --> 00:58:39.239
and there's a reason for that.
2866
00:58:39.250 --> 00:58:39.949
It's because
2867
00:58:40.530 --> 00:58:43.040
it's not the job of the DOJ to character assassinate people.
2868
00:58:43.090 --> 00:58:44.129
That's not what they're here to do.
2869
00:58:44.330 --> 00:58:46.590
Their job is to put criminals in prison.
2870
00:58:46.689 --> 00:58:47.169
That's what they're,
2871
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:47.850
that's what they're here for.
2872
00:58:48.050 --> 00:58:49.350
And so insofar as
2873
00:58:49.689 --> 00:58:50.250
they can do that,
2874
00:58:50.409 --> 00:58:50.770
that's great.
2875
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:51.129
They should,
2876
00:58:51.209 --> 00:58:51.330
you know,
2877
00:58:51.409 --> 00:58:52.510
prosecute people when you can,
2878
00:58:52.689 --> 00:58:53.370
get your convictions.
2879
00:58:53.449 --> 00:58:53.770
Awesome.
2880
00:58:53.810 --> 00:58:54.570
That's what they're supposed to do.
2881
00:58:54.649 --> 00:58:55.729
It's what you should be doing.
2882
00:58:56.010 --> 00:58:56.389
But
2883
00:58:57.169 --> 00:58:57.929
this whole thing of like,
2884
00:58:58.010 --> 00:58:58.129
oh,
2885
00:58:58.290 --> 00:58:58.649
you know.
2886
00:58:59.110 --> 00:58:59.550
We need to,
2887
00:58:59.629 --> 00:59:00.590
we need to drag everybody,
2888
00:59:00.699 --> 00:59:00.870
you know,
2889
00:59:00.989 --> 00:59:04.070
and I do understand Congress and the DOJ not the same thing.
2890
00:59:04.270 --> 00:59:05.590
But I think Congress needs to realize,
2891
00:59:05.600 --> 00:59:06.989
or they need to have like a moment of,
2892
00:59:07.070 --> 00:59:07.229
you know,
2893
00:59:07.419 --> 00:59:08.610
self-reflection where they realize
2894
00:59:08.870 --> 00:59:09.489
maybe
2895
00:59:09.629 --> 00:59:10.820
that norm by the DOJ,
2896
00:59:10.949 --> 00:59:11.070
now,
2897
00:59:11.149 --> 00:59:12.050
we're not the DOJ,
2898
00:59:12.389 --> 00:59:13.909
but maybe that norm by the DOJ
2899
00:59:14.110 --> 00:59:16.169
is really important and was there for a reason.
2900
00:59:16.310 --> 00:59:17.250
And maybe we shouldn't
2901
00:59:17.469 --> 00:59:18.169
be so quick
2902
00:59:18.389 --> 00:59:18.550
to,
2903
00:59:18.649 --> 00:59:18.790
you know,
2904
00:59:18.949 --> 00:59:19.070
to,
2905
00:59:19.229 --> 00:59:19.350
to,
2906
00:59:19.469 --> 00:59:20.070
to not do that,
2907
00:59:20.149 --> 00:59:20.260
right?
2908
00:59:20.310 --> 00:59:20.340
To.
2909
00:59:20.645 --> 00:59:20.804
You know,
2910
00:59:20.844 --> 00:59:22.764
drag everybody in for these public hearings and blast,
2911
00:59:22.844 --> 00:59:22.965
you know,
2912
00:59:23.284 --> 00:59:24.745
put them on blast for stuff that
2913
00:59:24.965 --> 00:59:25.655
you can't prove.
2914
00:59:25.764 --> 00:59:26.604
Nobody can prove,
2915
00:59:26.804 --> 00:59:27.344
uh,
2916
00:59:27.925 --> 00:59:28.604
or at least not yet.
2917
00:59:28.725 --> 00:59:28.925
Maybe,
2918
00:59:29.044 --> 00:59:29.254
hey,
2919
00:59:29.445 --> 00:59:30.314
maybe I'll eat my words.
2920
00:59:30.405 --> 00:59:32.084
Maybe we'll get 75 convictions,
2921
00:59:32.274 --> 00:59:32.445
uh,
2922
00:59:32.524 --> 00:59:32.685
you know,
2923
00:59:32.725 --> 00:59:33.564
in the next year or two.
2924
00:59:33.784 --> 00:59:33.794
I,
2925
00:59:33.965 --> 00:59:34.324
who knows,
2926
00:59:34.405 --> 00:59:34.754
but
2927
00:59:35.364 --> 00:59:35.524
yeah,
2928
00:59:35.725 --> 00:59:35.925
right.
2929
00:59:36.004 --> 00:59:36.875
But until then,
2930
00:59:37.245 --> 00:59:37.405
like,
2931
00:59:37.485 --> 00:59:38.114
just chill out.
2932
00:59:38.324 --> 00:59:39.074
Let the DOJ process,
2933
00:59:39.405 --> 00:59:39.524
you know,
2934
00:59:39.764 --> 00:59:41.764
and now I don't necessarily have faith that this DOJ will,
2935
00:59:41.834 --> 00:59:42.264
but let
2936
00:59:42.645 --> 00:59:44.145
maybe the next DOJ do it.
2937
00:59:45.449 --> 00:59:45.760
Yeah,
2938
00:59:45.929 --> 00:59:46.010
well,
2939
00:59:46.090 --> 00:59:46.199
no,
2940
00:59:46.250 --> 00:59:47.449
I appreciate your point of view,
2941
00:59:47.610 --> 00:59:48.850
and we are up on time.
2942
00:59:48.969 --> 00:59:49.250
Um,
2943
00:59:49.330 --> 00:59:50.520
I just wanna thank you both for
2944
00:59:51.530 --> 00:59:54.149
being a part of this follow-up and obviously being in the first
2945
00:59:54.379 --> 00:59:54.969
video,
2946
00:59:55.080 --> 00:59:55.530
um,
2947
00:59:55.620 --> 00:59:56.459
with the representative.
2948
00:59:56.570 --> 00:59:58.790
I'm excited for you to see the whole thing when it comes out,
2949
00:59:59.209 --> 00:59:59.639
uh,
2950
00:59:59.729 --> 01:00:01.010
and I think a couple of days,
2951
01:00:01.129 --> 01:00:01.560
um,
2952
01:00:01.689 --> 01:00:03.889
and hopefully this won't be the last time you
2953
01:00:03.889 --> 01:00:06.870
guys go face to face with an elected official,
2954
01:00:07.120 --> 01:00:07.280
uh,
2955
01:00:07.290 --> 01:00:07.929
for our channel.
2956
01:00:08.010 --> 01:00:08.409
Let's keep,
2957
01:00:08.550 --> 01:00:09.040
keep it going.
2958
01:00:10.479 --> 01:00:10.889
I would love it.
2959
01:00:11.030 --> 01:00:12.149
I had a great time.
2960
01:00:12.389 --> 01:00:12.899
Thank you.
2961
01:00:13.110 --> 01:00:15.479
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2962
01:00:15.580 --> 01:00:16.389
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2963
01:00:16.550 --> 01:00:17.979
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2964
01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:20.330
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2965
01:00:20.709 --> 01:00:20.719
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2966
01:00:20.790 --> 01:00:22.310
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01:00:22.510 --> 01:00:23.770
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2968
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2969
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2970
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2971
01:00:29.750 --> 01:00:31.260
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2972
01:00:31.629 --> 01:00:32.189
Remember,
2973
01:00:32.389 --> 01:00:33.050
you could be wrong,
2974
01:00:33.550 --> 01:00:34.179
so could I.
2975
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:35.169
Keep your mind open
2976
01:00:35.770 --> 01:00:36.489
until next time.