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It's time for the adventures of Stumpy and Grumpy.
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I'm a choleraphobiac. Choleraphobiac? You're
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not wearing a collar, what's wrong with you?
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You're an idiot. Join us as we celebrate their
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odd friendship and their love of all things Australian.
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Choleraphobiac's a fear of clowns, and you came
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in this morning reckoning you were going to rename
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yourself fucking Sparkles. This podcast is intended
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for adults, so wowsers can go fuck themselves.
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There was this great band down the Hawkesbury
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River area when I was a young fella. We used
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to go and see the Mangrove Boogie Kings. A lot
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of people know them. I think I've heard of them.
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Most people in country music would have only
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heard of them through a bloody slendasty song.
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That's right, of course. Yes, yes. They came
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from Mangrove Mountain where the Hawkesbury waters
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flow. They had their own particular kind of rock
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and roll. Up and down the eastern seaboard, a
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trail of broken strings, told the tale of these
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wild ones, the mangrove bogey kings. Their mountain
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music rhythm was big and it was proud. Like their
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cars and like their clothes, they were just as
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loud. When Chris Piper did his theme, you strut
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and gave his rebel scream. Oh, the crowds all
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loved the music of the Mangrove Boogie Kings.
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They'd go back to Mangrove Mountain to revive
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their repertoire. And the river folks still talk
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about the sounds of their guitars. Then they'd
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come back and face the world prepared for anything.
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Oh, they were loud, they were proud, the Mangrove
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Boogie Kings. Hey, they'd go back to the mountain
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to revive their repertoire, and the river folks
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still talk about the sounds of their guitar.
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Then they'd come back and face the world prepared
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for anything. Oh, they were loud and they were
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proud, the mangrove boogie king. I reckon that's
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it. Stop your dancing. Get back on the table.
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That's the only rock and roll song Slim Darcy's
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ever done. That's fantastic. I love that. Guitar
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going off. Can you imagine Joy sitting there?
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Knitting. Rock and rolling Joy, eh? Sit down,
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you might break something. I can see Joy knitting
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through that. Yeah, she'd be sitting there knitting.
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Making pumpkin scones. No, no, no, that was a
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float. Or telling everybody what country music
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really is or isn't. Yeah, she's... No, no, I'm
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not going there. You in the current mode of winning
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gold guitars don't want to shit on Joy McKean,
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mate. No way. When I was a kid, I always wanted
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to be a swaggy. because it seemed to be the quintessential
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Australian thing to be. It's been around for
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generations, of course. I think you'd probably
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have some information about that, but cemented
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in Australians' minds, of course, were the banjos
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waltzing Matilda. Yeah, it's part of the culture.
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We certainly don't look down on the swaggy at
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all in a bad way, like they do, say, in places
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like the States. I mean, everybody was ripping
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into them and kicking them off the trains. rattling
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them on or moving them on from wherever they
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were sleeping, under bridges and stuff. In a
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way, there was a song by Buddy Williams called
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Wingy the Railway Cop. And that in itself is
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a discussion of the swaggy or the hobo in that
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song. And I think the word hobo is actually used
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in that Buddy Williams song. So it's interesting.
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I don't, well, swaggies never used to sort of
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jump trains like they do over there. No, they
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were more of a bucolic figure, more of a rural
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figure. And they'd walk, because they'd go from
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station to station looking for bloody work. Either
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cooking or shearing. Yeah, all sorts of work,
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yeah. Unlike, as again, unlike the ones in the
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States. But there's an American song that evokes
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fanciful images of the hobo, and I did a version
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of it. One evening as the sun went down and the
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jungle fire was burning, down the track came
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a hobo hiking. And he said, boys, I'm not turning.
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I'm heading for a land that's far away beside
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the crystal fountains. So come with me, we'll
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go and see the big rock candy mountains. In the
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big rock candy mountains, there's a land that's
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fair and bright. Where the handouts grow on bushes
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And you sleep out every night Where the boxcars
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are all empty And the sun shines every day On
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the birds and the bees And the cigarette trees
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Where the lemonade springs Where the bluebird
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sings In the big rock candy mountains In the
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big rock candy mountains all the cops have wooden
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legs. And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth
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and the hens lay soft boiled eggs. The farmer's
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trees are full of fruit and the barns are full
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of hay. Homebound to go where there ain't no
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snow. Where the rain don't fall and the wind
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don't blow. In the big rock candy mountains.
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In the big rock candy mountains, you never change
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your socks. And the little streams of alcohol
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come trickling down the rocks. The breakmen have
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to tip their hats. The railroad bulls are blind.
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There's a lake of stew and of whiskey, too. And
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you can paddle all around them in a big canoe
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in the big rock candy mountains. In the Big Rock
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Candy Mountains, the jail's made of tin, and
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you can walk right out again as soon as you walk
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in. There ain't no shorthanded shovels, no axes,
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saws, or picks. I'm going to stay where you sleep
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all day, where they hung that jerk that invented
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work in the Big Rock Candy Mountains. When I
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was a kid, we still got rallies in the States,
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and we started exchanging tapes, riddle -to -riddle
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tapes, and talked to each other over the miles.
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And one of the very first songs they sent was
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Big Rock Candy Mountain. More from the adventures
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of Manfred and his trusty sidekick, Pixie. Poor
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old Swag, he's eight. Travel lots of roads and
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lots of weary miles. Oh, this is going to be
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a Graeme Conner song. Is this going to be a Graeme
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Conner song, The Road Less Travelled? No. No.
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No, all right. No, but just check me. I thought,
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you know, travelling around, they would have
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gone everywhere. You hear swaggy stories all
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over the place, don't you, in Western Australia?
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You do. I mean, the thing is that the... They'd
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even walk during the summertime in that incredible
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heat. Throughout central New South Wales and
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Queensland. Even up in bloody northwestern Australia,
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up through that. Have you been up through that
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area? Yeah, through Broome, Halls Creek, Fitzroy
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Crossing. Look, I tell you what, that whole area
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for me was so special when I was touring with
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Buddy because I'd never seen anything like it.
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It's just so unusual, especially towns like Fitzroy
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Crossing. We'll be right back. No idea why Aboriginal
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music hasn't taken off more bigger than it should
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have. I just, that's extraordinary. Fitzroy Crossing,
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of course, by the one and only Will Rumpy's there.
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George, what a man. I love you. And of course,
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the only white man in the group, Neil Murray,
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a bit of a songwriter. Yes, he is. Wonderful
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book. Have you read Neil's book? No, I haven't.
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Oh, it's beautiful. Yeah, he captures... He captures
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his life in a wonderful, laconic way, as Neil
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is. He'll sit there for half an hour before he
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answers a question sometimes. More from the adventures
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of Manfred and his trusty sidekick, Pixie. You
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haven't been out the haywire at all. Oh, see
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now... You know I have. When you ask questions
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of me like that, it's sort of like... Condescending?
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In a sort of way. I don't mean it to... If I
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haven't been to any area, it's probably not worth
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going there. Honestly, I've literally probably
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been everywhere around this country and there's
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not many places I haven't been, honestly. And,
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hey, I remember there was a... The Hay Plains,
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out in the Great Western Plains. I'll tell you
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what. Bill Bryson, great travel writer. He's
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written some wonderful books. He absolutely loves
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Australia. He's an American guy, Midwest American,
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and he loves Australia, absolutely adores it.
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But there's a thing in his book where he pulls
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up to that roadhouse at Hay that we all hate,
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that roadhouse in the middle of nowhere there
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at Hay, and he's pulled up and he said, oh, where
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are you going? I'm trying to get to Hay before
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the sun shines. And he says that in his book.
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He says, the bloke never laughed. Australians
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I find rather complex. They don't like pithy
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little… And the fact he's probably heard it a
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thousand times. Yeah, of course. I remember trying
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to get out to Ivanhoe, which is off that bloody
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road. This is a time when you didn't hit a kangaroo?
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Well, you weren't driving, so you weren't in
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the car. Fuck you. Yeah. Unbelievable. We're
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not going to go there. Okay. Anyway, pulling
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a trailer, and it was after the rains, and the
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road between the turnoff and Ivanhoe was all
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muddy and pitted and what have you, and I left
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the road and drove in the paddocks off the side,
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and it was great. Not a problem. Got through
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all right. I'm driving tonight. Out on the plains,
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trying to put some distance on a bad day. My
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heartbeams broke and it's hard to see just where
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the road is leading me. But I see the lights
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of hay. Couldn't be more than 40k. My tank's
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on empty, but I don't slow down. Whatever goes
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wrong goes wrong anyhow. To all the places I've
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ever been. To all the back roads and cheap hotels.
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I did my best work in your lonely rooms. Far
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away from loved ones. I once had dreams more
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than I could manage Now all I need is a coffee
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and a sandwich It's easy to get trapped in a
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traveling zoo. You get to watch all the warnings
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you ever heard turn true. It's too late when
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you're nowhere with nothing. Not even sure what
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it was you wanted. Who can say when? Who can
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say how? Mammal paid for his mistakes. couldn't
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be more than 30 open window dark country out
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there can hide dangers you don't know some kind
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of judgment comes to us all don't have to be
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a scientist to see the writings on the wall when
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they're reaping the land selling out the farm
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carving up the mountains helping themselves to
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the heart stealing all I said to myself Hasn't
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he got a bit of Bob Dylan in him, right? It's
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there, isn't it? I love this bloke. Yeah. I love
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this bloke. Yeah. Neil Murray. On the way to
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Hay. Only 30 clicks away. Only 20 clicks away.
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Only 10 clicks away. Only... Are we there yet?
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Are we there yet? That's what you do, isn't it?
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Oh, no. Are we there yet? Neil Murray, Lights
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of Hay. Great song. Love it. Yeah, good stuff.
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Yeah, you know. And he's a laconic sort of a
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chap. And as I said, he's really laid back when
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you meet him. It's like there's, whoops, there's
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nothing coming out of there. I better ask him
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pointed questions or nothing's going to get back
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on the microphone. He'll sit there like, yes.
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They probably haven't interviewed him yet. No,
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well, you've got to pull your skills out with
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Neil Murray. Should we have him on the program,
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you reckon? Yeah, but do yourself a favour. Read
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his book with a yellow marker, right, and ask
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him questions from that because otherwise he
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doesn't like talking about himself. Hey, you
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know, Neil Murray doesn't like talking about
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himself as opposed to us. Well, that speaks for
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itself, doesn't it? It's stumpy and grumpy. Over
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this COVID thing, all you could do was sit down
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and write. It's not as if there was any work
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to do. So you'd expect that some of the songwriters
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would have come up with some good shit? One would
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expect so, but, I mean, the thing is, how many
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actually sat down and did the work? What did
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you fucking write this year? You've written some
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great stuff this year. Oh, I've written some
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stuff, yeah, but that was early in the piece.
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I mean, look, for example, I was... Been itching
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to get into my bloody garden and do some bloody
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work. And it sort of hit me about... I'm just
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fucking lazy. Exactly right. Halfway through
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the year, I sort of sat back and thought... It's
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not that I'm lacking time, it's just that I'm
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a lazy prick. There you go, that's exactly right.
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I even go out and buy fucking gardening tools
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from Bunnings when they're on special, bring
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them out and they sit in the garden for six months
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before they get lost. Do they get rusty? Rusty
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and fucked and people find them. I don't know
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why we buy them. That's the high price of surviving.
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We'll fall from grace every now and then. Loving
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and losing from pillar to post. The things we
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hold dear can hurt us the most. It's just the
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price of surviving you pay for sticking it out
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through another day. But it's better than taking
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the other way. We'll be right back. We'll see
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you next time. The Stumpster and the Grumpster
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I was swimming in the sunshine. I was sleeping
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on a gold mine. I was leader of the bones choir.
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Jimmy Rogers was a vampire. I was swimming in
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the sunshine. Rogers was a vampire. was a vampire
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I was swimming in the sunshine a long time, right?
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And I always find it funny when we find what
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we deem as new country music from people that
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aren't necessarily country, just because you
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use a banjo or a pedal steel. Shane Nicholson,
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wonderful songwriter, but he comes from that
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Melbourne cadre of singer -songwriters, not really
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country and not folk. It's a different culture
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now. It is, absolutely. And it sort of melds
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in very well with the rest of the country. Melds.
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Melds. You like that? It's a gorgeous word. Melds.
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As much as this Renoir melds with the cheese.
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Oh, you're part of the Shardy set, are you? The
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Shardy set, I am. Cardboard, shadow cardboard.
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Shadow cardboard? Yeah. We send Wagga Wagga 56,
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bouquet of aboriginals armpit. Dusty ballerinas,
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dancing in the midday sun. We'll be right back.
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to go to send out some rain then you realize
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it may never ever change seems like the steer
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rolling will always And the land. To the heavens,
00:30:03.009 --> 00:30:10.329
you'll know just what I mean Now the stars are
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all shining bright, just like in a dream Isn't
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that beautiful? Isn't that beautiful? What an
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extreme. I love his voice. I just love his concepts,
00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:29.259
the way he writes his songs. It comes from that
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Aboriginal heart and it's just a wonderful thing.
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And yet it's very traditional country. You know
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what I reckon he is? He's sort of like a fucking,
00:31:38.019 --> 00:31:42.140
you know, he's sort of like a Namajira of country
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music. He uses English words, but he paints with
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an Aboriginal brush, an Aboriginal soul on the
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phrasing. Amazing. Beautiful. Warren H. Williams.
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His dad, Gus, must have had a lot of influence
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on him. Oh, extraordinary amount of influence.
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But Warren's a man of his own. He's just out
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there by himself. Absolutely. Dusty Ballerina.
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Ted Egan is one of the blokes out that way, isn't
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he? Extraordinary. That's right. Love him. He's
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Ted Neris. You know, he put up a paper a little
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while ago about changing Australia Day to the
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time when Australia, the word, was actually proclaimed
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and gazetted. It was put forward by Matthew Flinders
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on whatever that date was. It seems to make a
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modicum of sense. That's what you fucking reckon.
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.099
Yeah, but you're... Vote one, Manfred Villars.
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And you're an idiot. Down the river. Oh, Ted.
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Is he playing his beer box? Yeah, of course.
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The season was late. When we left with the stores,
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feed scarce as we travelled to Berkeley. Round
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the permanent holes and the government halls,
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the table and stretched away starkly. We struck
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early storms as we farewelled the downs, the
00:33:22.710 --> 00:33:28.170
northerlies warned of their coming. Away in the
00:33:28.170 --> 00:33:32.569
gulf from the cumulus crowns. the sound of the
00:33:32.569 --> 00:33:37.230
thunder came a drumming down the river we go
00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:42.809
steady but slow feed them along and they're right
00:33:42.809 --> 00:33:49.289
store cattle for town walking them down sing
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them a song every night How we cursed at the
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:09.960
rain as it pelted that night Adding confusion
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:16.320
to worry How we cursed at the bullocks that bellowed
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.079
in fright And flung up the mud in their hurry
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.880
But the morning star rose with a clear crystal
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.139
light Through a rift in the clouds ere the dawning
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:34.159
And the butcher birds welcomed the sun with delight
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:39.599
and caroled their joy to the morning. Down the
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river we go, steady but slow, feed them along
00:34:45.219 --> 00:34:50.539
and they're right. Store cattle for town, we're
00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:54.619
walking them down and we sing them a song every
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night. All alone. All alone The mob rests at
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noon With the water hard by The trees where the
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:26.599
court pots are steaming Through sunlight and
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:30.980
shade Beneath a water -washed sky The river goes
00:35:30.980 --> 00:35:35.820
drifting and dreaming For she fashions a spell
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:40.219
like a gossamer thread. It holds you right now
00:35:40.219 --> 00:35:45.320
and forever. To the creeks that run back to her
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.500
vast watershed. And the length of the old winding
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:55.500
river. Down the river we go, steady but slow.
00:35:55.900 --> 00:36:01.079
Feed them along and they're right. Store cattle
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:05.739
for town. We're walking them down, sing them
00:36:05.739 --> 00:36:11.860
a song every night. Down the river we go, steady
00:36:11.860 --> 00:36:16.460
but slow. Feed them along and they're right.
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.960
Store cattle for town, we're walking them down.
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And we sing them a song every night. I'm not
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yodeling for no bastard, Dave. Me neither, mate.
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.820
Yodeling's a bit of a worry, isn't it? It's a
00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:04.760
big worry. Jesus. I only yodel if someone's grabbing
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.039
hold of me, you know, nuts. I can't unthink that
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.400
picture now. Piss off. Go away. Neither can people
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.380
listening to the fucking podcast. They're thinking
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.880
about my nuts in their head. Oh, get out of here,
00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:19.019
man. What are you trying to turn people up for?
00:37:19.099 --> 00:37:22.110
This is psychological advertising, mate. That's
00:37:22.110 --> 00:37:23.769
what it's about. It'd be worse thinking about
00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:27.989
your nuts. It's psychological suicide. There
00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:31.750
should be a song. Psychological genocide. There
00:37:31.750 --> 00:37:36.269
should be a song. Psychological genocide by pulling
00:37:36.269 --> 00:37:38.670
on the nuts. Shut up, Spartans. Pulling on the
00:37:38.670 --> 00:37:41.710
nuts. You still listening to this crap? Ever
00:37:41.710 --> 00:37:44.030
been to Broome? Oh, yeah, a few times. Oh, I
00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:46.210
love it. Love Broome. Yeah, when I was there,
00:37:46.269 --> 00:37:49.409
I went along Cable Beach. You know how big that
00:37:49.409 --> 00:37:53.059
bloody beach is, don't you? Not a cable or rope
00:37:53.059 --> 00:37:56.440
or frigging chain anywhere. Now, you keep saying
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.300
I'm a fucking idiot. Jesus Christ. I was in Bremen
00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:02.820
in 1979 as a young fellow with Buddy Williams
00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:08.719
and there was a dress shop in the main street
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:15.659
called Golden Showers Dress Shop. And did you
00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:20.300
buy a dress there? No, no. Fuckface. I did not.
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:24.260
But I went around the corner and saw two brothers,
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.820
two very young brothers, playing music in the
00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:48.289
street. And home for me, I guess, could better
00:38:48.289 --> 00:38:53.630
be nowhere else but here. Nowhere else but here,
00:38:53.730 --> 00:38:58.090
yeah. Nowhere else but here, oh no. Home for
00:38:58.090 --> 00:39:01.690
me, I guess, might never be nowhere else but
00:39:01.690 --> 00:39:11.269
here. If daunted by the many, many times, things
00:39:11.269 --> 00:39:16.920
don't turn out as planned. by the feeling of
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:22.599
an unfamiliar hand just listen to little honeysuckle
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.099
singing sweet and clear the sweetest honey is
00:39:27.099 --> 00:39:31.820
in the tree that's nowhere else but here nowhere
00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:36.059
else but here she sings nowhere else but here
00:39:36.059 --> 00:39:40.099
here's where my honey is in this tree that's
00:39:40.099 --> 00:40:22.460
nowhere else but here Thank you. Thank you. I've
00:40:22.460 --> 00:40:26.199
seen things really happening where it's all downhill
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:30.199
to hell. Through a devil's pass on a bolting
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.820
horse with Buckley's oak to steer. We could regret
00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:38.300
we never ever get to be nowhere else but here.
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Bye. Bye. Bye. There's nowhere else but here.
00:42:02.019 --> 00:42:04.420
That's the only place we're free to be. Bloody
00:42:04.420 --> 00:42:08.070
beautiful. Eh? And who's that? The Pickram brothers.
00:42:08.289 --> 00:42:10.829
Ah, fantastic. All 17 of them. Yeah, they're
00:42:10.829 --> 00:42:13.710
a big family. A huge family. All from the one
00:42:13.710 --> 00:42:18.769
mother? Well, also we've got Unumurra's over
00:42:18.769 --> 00:42:20.949
there, of course, our old mate Unumurra. Ernie
00:42:20.949 --> 00:42:24.610
Dingo is over there. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, look,
00:42:25.289 --> 00:42:28.610
there's a whole branch of Aboriginal music that
00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:30.650
comes out of that area of Australia that's extraordinary
00:42:30.650 --> 00:42:33.030
and wonderful. Incredible. I don't know why it's
00:42:33.030 --> 00:42:35.210
not played as often as it should, but it should
00:42:35.210 --> 00:42:43.150
be played more. This fucking political correct
00:42:43.150 --> 00:42:46.250
bullshit, it just gets under my fucking skin,
00:42:46.309 --> 00:42:48.590
really does. I can't stand it. It's a blight
00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:50.469
on the nation. It's a blight on the nation. A
00:42:50.469 --> 00:42:53.329
blight on the nation. And our poor old bloody
00:42:53.329 --> 00:42:56.349
premiers, particularly during this COVID shit,
00:42:56.469 --> 00:42:58.590
mate, they're trying to do good stuff, but they
00:42:58.590 --> 00:43:00.329
can't get it right, even when they do get it
00:43:00.329 --> 00:43:01.750
right. Yeah, but they carry on with all that...
00:43:04.129 --> 00:43:07.170
Polly waffle. Polly waffle, for fuck's sake.
00:43:07.250 --> 00:43:09.230
At the end of the day, let me say, if I may,
00:43:09.349 --> 00:43:11.409
if a little remiss, let me remind you of this,
00:43:11.469 --> 00:43:13.630
what I plan to do, and let me say this to you
00:43:13.630 --> 00:43:15.429
in the most simplest of terms. If there's one
00:43:15.429 --> 00:43:17.150
thing I've learned, that the obvious thing, and
00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:19.590
it's a questionable thing, but before I proceed
00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:21.769
on this problem indeed, let me say now to you
00:43:21.769 --> 00:43:24.110
what I intend here to do. If time will allow,
00:43:24.289 --> 00:43:26.170
if I could state this somehow, as I've said all
00:43:26.170 --> 00:43:28.250
along, and now don't get me wrong, whether hither
00:43:28.250 --> 00:43:30.590
or hence, in the political sense, let me offer
00:43:30.590 --> 00:43:33.199
you this. me out I insist what I've set out to
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:34.920
do I make this promise to you and let me make
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.880
this quite clear as true as I'm standing here
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.360
as I said at the time and I've been straight
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.400
down the line on the subject of lurks there's
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:42.400
not been any perks as a matter of fact having
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.440
just told you that what I'm standing for let
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.320
me tell you once more and I give you my word
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:48.199
that I'm very concerned that if you look at the
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.179
facts on the issue of tax then what I'm all about
00:43:50.179 --> 00:43:52.079
let me leave you no doubt at the end of the day
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.920
let me say if I may having just told you that
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.800
let me just ask you this I can't remember the
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:08.590
question thank fuck that's over Come back again
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for another weekly adventure with Stumpy and
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Grumpy.
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It's time for the adventures of Stumpy and Grumpy.
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I'm a choleraphobiac. Choleraphobiac? You're
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not wearing a collar, what's wrong with you?
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You're an idiot. Join us as we celebrate their
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odd friendship and their love of all things Australian.
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Choleraphobiac's a fear of clowns, and you came
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in this morning reckoning you were going to rename
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yourself fucking Sparkles. This podcast is intended
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for adults, so wowsers can go fuck themselves.
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There was this great band down the Hawkesbury
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River area when I was a young fella. We used
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to go and see the Mangrove Boogie Kings. A lot
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of people know them. I think I've heard of them.
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Most people in country music would have only
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heard of them through a bloody slendasty song.
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That's right, of course. Yes, yes. They came
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from Mangrove Mountain where the Hawkesbury waters
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flow. They had their own particular kind of rock
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and roll. Up and down the eastern seaboard, a
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trail of broken strings, told the tale of these
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wild ones, the mangrove bogey kings. Their mountain
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music rhythm was big and it was proud. Like their
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cars and like their clothes, they were just as
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loud. When Chris Piper did his theme, you strut
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and gave his rebel scream. Oh, the crowds all
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loved the music of the Mangrove Boogie Kings.
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They'd go back to Mangrove Mountain to revive
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their repertoire. And the river folks still talk
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about the sounds of their guitars. Then they'd
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come back and face the world prepared for anything.
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Oh, they were loud, they were proud, the Mangrove
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Boogie Kings. Hey, they'd go back to the mountain
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to revive their repertoire, and the river folks
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still talk about the sounds of their guitar.
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Then they'd come back and face the world prepared
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for anything. Oh, they were loud and they were
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proud, the mangrove boogie king. I reckon that's
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it. Stop your dancing. Get back on the table.
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That's the only rock and roll song Slim Darcy's
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ever done. That's fantastic. I love that. Guitar
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going off. Can you imagine Joy sitting there?
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Knitting. Rock and rolling Joy, eh? Sit down,
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you might break something. I can see Joy knitting
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through that. Yeah, she'd be sitting there knitting.
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Making pumpkin scones. No, no, no, that was a
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float. Or telling everybody what country music
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really is or isn't. Yeah, she's... No, no, I'm
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not going there. You in the current mode of winning
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gold guitars don't want to shit on Joy McKean,
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mate. No way. When I was a kid, I always wanted
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to be a swaggy. because it seemed to be the quintessential
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Australian thing to be. It's been around for
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generations, of course. I think you'd probably
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have some information about that, but cemented
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in Australians' minds, of course, were the banjos
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waltzing Matilda. Yeah, it's part of the culture.
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We certainly don't look down on the swaggy at
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all in a bad way, like they do, say, in places
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like the States. I mean, everybody was ripping
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into them and kicking them off the trains. rattling
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them on or moving them on from wherever they
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were sleeping, under bridges and stuff. In a
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way, there was a song by Buddy Williams called
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Wingy the Railway Cop. And that in itself is
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a discussion of the swaggy or the hobo in that
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song. And I think the word hobo is actually used
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in that Buddy Williams song. So it's interesting.
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I don't, well, swaggies never used to sort of
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jump trains like they do over there. No, they
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were more of a bucolic figure, more of a rural
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figure. And they'd walk, because they'd go from
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station to station looking for bloody work. Either
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cooking or shearing. Yeah, all sorts of work,
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yeah. Unlike, as again, unlike the ones in the
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States. But there's an American song that evokes
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fanciful images of the hobo, and I did a version
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of it. One evening as the sun went down and the
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jungle fire was burning, down the track came
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a hobo hiking. And he said, boys, I'm not turning.
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I'm heading for a land that's far away beside
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the crystal fountains. So come with me, we'll
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go and see the big rock candy mountains. In the
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big rock candy mountains, there's a land that's
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fair and bright. Where the handouts grow on bushes
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And you sleep out every night Where the boxcars
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are all empty And the sun shines every day On
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the birds and the bees And the cigarette trees
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Where the lemonade springs Where the bluebird
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sings In the big rock candy mountains In the
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big rock candy mountains all the cops have wooden
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legs. And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth
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and the hens lay soft boiled eggs. The farmer's
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trees are full of fruit and the barns are full
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of hay. Homebound to go where there ain't no
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snow. Where the rain don't fall and the wind
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don't blow. In the big rock candy mountains.
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In the big rock candy mountains, you never change
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your socks. And the little streams of alcohol
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come trickling down the rocks. The breakmen have
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to tip their hats. The railroad bulls are blind.
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There's a lake of stew and of whiskey, too. And
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you can paddle all around them in a big canoe
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in the big rock candy mountains. In the Big Rock
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Candy Mountains, the jail's made of tin, and
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you can walk right out again as soon as you walk
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in. There ain't no shorthanded shovels, no axes,
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saws, or picks. I'm going to stay where you sleep
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all day, where they hung that jerk that invented
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work in the Big Rock Candy Mountains. When I
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was a kid, we still got rallies in the States,
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and we started exchanging tapes, riddle -to -riddle
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tapes, and talked to each other over the miles.
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And one of the very first songs they sent was
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Big Rock Candy Mountain. More from the adventures
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of Manfred and his trusty sidekick, Pixie. Poor
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old Swag, he's eight. Travel lots of roads and
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lots of weary miles. Oh, this is going to be
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a Graeme Conner song. Is this going to be a Graeme
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Conner song, The Road Less Travelled? No. No.
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No, all right. No, but just check me. I thought,
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you know, travelling around, they would have
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gone everywhere. You hear swaggy stories all
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over the place, don't you, in Western Australia?
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You do. I mean, the thing is that the... They'd
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even walk during the summertime in that incredible
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heat. Throughout central New South Wales and
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Queensland. Even up in bloody northwestern Australia,
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up through that. Have you been up through that
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area? Yeah, through Broome, Halls Creek, Fitzroy
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Crossing. Look, I tell you what, that whole area
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for me was so special when I was touring with
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Buddy because I'd never seen anything like it.
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It's just so unusual, especially towns like Fitzroy
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Crossing. We'll be right back. No idea why Aboriginal
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music hasn't taken off more bigger than it should
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have. I just, that's extraordinary. Fitzroy Crossing,
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of course, by the one and only Will Rumpy's there.
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George, what a man. I love you. And of course,
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the only white man in the group, Neil Murray,
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a bit of a songwriter. Yes, he is. Wonderful
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book. Have you read Neil's book? No, I haven't.
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Oh, it's beautiful. Yeah, he captures... He captures
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his life in a wonderful, laconic way, as Neil
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is. He'll sit there for half an hour before he
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answers a question sometimes. More from the adventures
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of Manfred and his trusty sidekick, Pixie. You
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haven't been out the haywire at all. Oh, see
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now... You know I have. When you ask questions
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of me like that, it's sort of like... Condescending?
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In a sort of way. I don't mean it to... If I
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haven't been to any area, it's probably not worth
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going there. Honestly, I've literally probably
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been everywhere around this country and there's
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not many places I haven't been, honestly. And,
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hey, I remember there was a... The Hay Plains,
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out in the Great Western Plains. I'll tell you
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what. Bill Bryson, great travel writer. He's
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written some wonderful books. He absolutely loves
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Australia. He's an American guy, Midwest American,
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and he loves Australia, absolutely adores it.
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But there's a thing in his book where he pulls
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up to that roadhouse at Hay that we all hate,
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that roadhouse in the middle of nowhere there
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at Hay, and he's pulled up and he said, oh, where
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are you going? I'm trying to get to Hay before
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the sun shines. And he says that in his book.
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He says, the bloke never laughed. Australians
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I find rather complex. They don't like pithy
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little… And the fact he's probably heard it a
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thousand times. Yeah, of course. I remember trying
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to get out to Ivanhoe, which is off that bloody
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road. This is a time when you didn't hit a kangaroo?
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Well, you weren't driving, so you weren't in
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the car. Fuck you. Yeah. Unbelievable. We're
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not going to go there. Okay. Anyway, pulling
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a trailer, and it was after the rains, and the
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road between the turnoff and Ivanhoe was all
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muddy and pitted and what have you, and I left
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the road and drove in the paddocks off the side,
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and it was great. Not a problem. Got through
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all right. I'm driving tonight. Out on the plains,
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trying to put some distance on a bad day. My
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heartbeams broke and it's hard to see just where
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the road is leading me. But I see the lights
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of hay. Couldn't be more than 40k. My tank's
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on empty, but I don't slow down. Whatever goes
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wrong goes wrong anyhow. To all the places I've
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ever been. To all the back roads and cheap hotels.
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I did my best work in your lonely rooms. Far
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away from loved ones. I once had dreams more
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than I could manage Now all I need is a coffee
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and a sandwich It's easy to get trapped in a
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traveling zoo. You get to watch all the warnings
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you ever heard turn true. It's too late when
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you're nowhere with nothing. Not even sure what
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it was you wanted. Who can say when? Who can
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say how? Mammal paid for his mistakes. couldn't
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be more than 30 open window dark country out
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there can hide dangers you don't know some kind
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of judgment comes to us all don't have to be
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a scientist to see the writings on the wall when
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they're reaping the land selling out the farm
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carving up the mountains helping themselves to
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the heart stealing all I said to myself Hasn't
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he got a bit of Bob Dylan in him, right? It's
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there, isn't it? I love this bloke. Yeah. I love
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this bloke. Yeah. Neil Murray. On the way to
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Hay. Only 30 clicks away. Only 20 clicks away.
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Only 10 clicks away. Only... Are we there yet?
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Are we there yet? That's what you do, isn't it?
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Oh, no. Are we there yet? Neil Murray, Lights
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of Hay. Great song. Love it. Yeah, good stuff.
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Yeah, you know. And he's a laconic sort of a
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chap. And as I said, he's really laid back when
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you meet him. It's like there's, whoops, there's
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nothing coming out of there. I better ask him
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pointed questions or nothing's going to get back
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on the microphone. He'll sit there like, yes.
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They probably haven't interviewed him yet. No,
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well, you've got to pull your skills out with
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Neil Murray. Should we have him on the program,
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you reckon? Yeah, but do yourself a favour. Read
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his book with a yellow marker, right, and ask
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him questions from that because otherwise he
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doesn't like talking about himself. Hey, you
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know, Neil Murray doesn't like talking about
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himself as opposed to us. Well, that speaks for
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itself, doesn't it? It's stumpy and grumpy. Over
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this COVID thing, all you could do was sit down
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and write. It's not as if there was any work
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to do. So you'd expect that some of the songwriters
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would have come up with some good shit? One would
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expect so, but, I mean, the thing is, how many
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actually sat down and did the work? What did
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you fucking write this year? You've written some
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great stuff this year. Oh, I've written some
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stuff, yeah, but that was early in the piece.
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I mean, look, for example, I was... Been itching
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to get into my bloody garden and do some bloody
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work. And it sort of hit me about... I'm just
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fucking lazy. Exactly right. Halfway through
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the year, I sort of sat back and thought... It's
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not that I'm lacking time, it's just that I'm
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a lazy prick. There you go, that's exactly right.
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I even go out and buy fucking gardening tools
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from Bunnings when they're on special, bring
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them out and they sit in the garden for six months
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before they get lost. Do they get rusty? Rusty
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and fucked and people find them. I don't know
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why we buy them. That's the high price of surviving.
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We'll fall from grace every now and then. Loving
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and losing from pillar to post. The things we
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hold dear can hurt us the most. It's just the
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price of surviving you pay for sticking it out
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through another day. But it's better than taking
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the other way. We'll be right back. We'll see
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you next time. The Stumpster and the Grumpster
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I was swimming in the sunshine. I was sleeping
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on a gold mine. I was leader of the bones choir.
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Jimmy Rogers was a vampire. I was swimming in
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the sunshine. Rogers was a vampire. was a vampire
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I was swimming in the sunshine a long time, right?
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And I always find it funny when we find what
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we deem as new country music from people that
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aren't necessarily country, just because you
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use a banjo or a pedal steel. Shane Nicholson,
00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:26.519
wonderful songwriter, but he comes from that
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.299
Melbourne cadre of singer -songwriters, not really
00:27:29.299 --> 00:27:32.049
country and not folk. It's a different culture
00:27:32.049 --> 00:27:34.329
now. It is, absolutely. And it sort of melds
00:27:34.329 --> 00:27:37.349
in very well with the rest of the country. Melds.
00:27:37.470 --> 00:27:40.710
Melds. You like that? It's a gorgeous word. Melds.
00:27:40.710 --> 00:27:44.089
As much as this Renoir melds with the cheese.
00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:46.750
Oh, you're part of the Shardy set, are you? The
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Shardy set, I am. Cardboard, shadow cardboard.
00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:51.730
Shadow cardboard? Yeah. We send Wagga Wagga 56,
00:27:52.089 --> 00:27:57.390
bouquet of aboriginals armpit. Dusty ballerinas,
00:27:57.630 --> 00:28:16.130
dancing in the midday sun. We'll be right back.
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to go to send out some rain then you realize
00:28:39.450 --> 00:28:48.089
it may never ever change seems like the steer
00:28:48.089 --> 00:30:02.829
rolling will always And the land. To the heavens,
00:30:03.009 --> 00:30:10.329
you'll know just what I mean Now the stars are
00:30:10.329 --> 00:31:19.940
all shining bright, just like in a dream Isn't
00:31:19.940 --> 00:31:22.619
that beautiful? Isn't that beautiful? What an
00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:27.019
extreme. I love his voice. I just love his concepts,
00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:29.259
the way he writes his songs. It comes from that
00:31:29.259 --> 00:31:32.500
Aboriginal heart and it's just a wonderful thing.
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.059
And yet it's very traditional country. You know
00:31:35.059 --> 00:31:37.839
what I reckon he is? He's sort of like a fucking,
00:31:38.019 --> 00:31:42.140
you know, he's sort of like a Namajira of country
00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:46.180
music. He uses English words, but he paints with
00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:49.240
an Aboriginal brush, an Aboriginal soul on the
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.440
phrasing. Amazing. Beautiful. Warren H. Williams.
00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:55.099
His dad, Gus, must have had a lot of influence
00:31:55.099 --> 00:31:56.619
on him. Oh, extraordinary amount of influence.
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.079
But Warren's a man of his own. He's just out
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:03.500
there by himself. Absolutely. Dusty Ballerina.
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.960
Ted Egan is one of the blokes out that way, isn't
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.049
he? Extraordinary. That's right. Love him. He's
00:32:14.049 --> 00:32:18.029
Ted Neris. You know, he put up a paper a little
00:32:18.029 --> 00:32:23.170
while ago about changing Australia Day to the
00:32:23.170 --> 00:32:28.390
time when Australia, the word, was actually proclaimed
00:32:28.390 --> 00:32:34.190
and gazetted. It was put forward by Matthew Flinders
00:32:34.190 --> 00:32:39.019
on whatever that date was. It seems to make a
00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:41.700
modicum of sense. That's what you fucking reckon.
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.099
Yeah, but you're... Vote one, Manfred Villars.
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.420
And you're an idiot. Down the river. Oh, Ted.
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:49.819
Is he playing his beer box? Yeah, of course.
00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:04.369
The season was late. When we left with the stores,
00:33:04.630 --> 00:33:09.309
feed scarce as we travelled to Berkeley. Round
00:33:09.309 --> 00:33:13.089
the permanent holes and the government halls,
00:33:13.490 --> 00:33:18.490
the table and stretched away starkly. We struck
00:33:18.490 --> 00:33:22.710
early storms as we farewelled the downs, the
00:33:22.710 --> 00:33:28.170
northerlies warned of their coming. Away in the
00:33:28.170 --> 00:33:32.569
gulf from the cumulus crowns. the sound of the
00:33:32.569 --> 00:33:37.230
thunder came a drumming down the river we go
00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:42.809
steady but slow feed them along and they're right
00:33:42.809 --> 00:33:49.289
store cattle for town walking them down sing
00:33:49.289 --> 00:34:05.460
them a song every night How we cursed at the
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:09.960
rain as it pelted that night Adding confusion
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:16.320
to worry How we cursed at the bullocks that bellowed
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.079
in fright And flung up the mud in their hurry
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.880
But the morning star rose with a clear crystal
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.139
light Through a rift in the clouds ere the dawning
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:34.159
And the butcher birds welcomed the sun with delight
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:39.599
and caroled their joy to the morning. Down the
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:45.219
river we go, steady but slow, feed them along
00:34:45.219 --> 00:34:50.539
and they're right. Store cattle for town, we're
00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:54.619
walking them down and we sing them a song every
00:34:54.619 --> 00:35:17.960
night. All alone. All alone The mob rests at
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.380
noon With the water hard by The trees where the
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:26.599
court pots are steaming Through sunlight and
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:30.980
shade Beneath a water -washed sky The river goes
00:35:30.980 --> 00:35:35.820
drifting and dreaming For she fashions a spell
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:40.219
like a gossamer thread. It holds you right now
00:35:40.219 --> 00:35:45.320
and forever. To the creeks that run back to her
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.500
vast watershed. And the length of the old winding
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:55.500
river. Down the river we go, steady but slow.
00:35:55.900 --> 00:36:01.079
Feed them along and they're right. Store cattle
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:05.739
for town. We're walking them down, sing them
00:36:05.739 --> 00:36:11.860
a song every night. Down the river we go, steady
00:36:11.860 --> 00:36:16.460
but slow. Feed them along and they're right.
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.960
Store cattle for town, we're walking them down.
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:55.340
And we sing them a song every night. I'm not
00:36:55.340 --> 00:36:57.380
yodeling for no bastard, Dave. Me neither, mate.
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.820
Yodeling's a bit of a worry, isn't it? It's a
00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:04.760
big worry. Jesus. I only yodel if someone's grabbing
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.039
hold of me, you know, nuts. I can't unthink that
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.400
picture now. Piss off. Go away. Neither can people
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.380
listening to the fucking podcast. They're thinking
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.880
about my nuts in their head. Oh, get out of here,
00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:19.019
man. What are you trying to turn people up for?
00:37:19.099 --> 00:37:22.110
This is psychological advertising, mate. That's
00:37:22.110 --> 00:37:23.769
what it's about. It'd be worse thinking about
00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:27.989
your nuts. It's psychological suicide. There
00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:31.750
should be a song. Psychological genocide. There
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should be a song. Psychological genocide by pulling
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on the nuts. Shut up, Spartans. Pulling on the
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nuts. You still listening to this crap? Ever
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been to Broome? Oh, yeah, a few times. Oh, I
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love it. Love Broome. Yeah, when I was there,
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I went along Cable Beach. You know how big that
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bloody beach is, don't you? Not a cable or rope
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or frigging chain anywhere. Now, you keep saying
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I'm a fucking idiot. Jesus Christ. I was in Bremen
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in 1979 as a young fellow with Buddy Williams
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and there was a dress shop in the main street
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called Golden Showers Dress Shop. And did you
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buy a dress there? No, no. Fuckface. I did not.
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But I went around the corner and saw two brothers,
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two very young brothers, playing music in the
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street. And home for me, I guess, could better
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be nowhere else but here. Nowhere else but here,
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yeah. Nowhere else but here, oh no. Home for
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me, I guess, might never be nowhere else but
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here. If daunted by the many, many times, things
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don't turn out as planned. by the feeling of
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an unfamiliar hand just listen to little honeysuckle
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singing sweet and clear the sweetest honey is
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in the tree that's nowhere else but here nowhere
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else but here she sings nowhere else but here
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here's where my honey is in this tree that's
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nowhere else but here Thank you. Thank you. I've
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seen things really happening where it's all downhill
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to hell. Through a devil's pass on a bolting
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horse with Buckley's oak to steer. We could regret
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we never ever get to be nowhere else but here.
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Bye. Bye. Bye. There's nowhere else but here.
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That's the only place we're free to be. Bloody
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beautiful. Eh? And who's that? The Pickram brothers.
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Ah, fantastic. All 17 of them. Yeah, they're
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a big family. A huge family. All from the one
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mother? Well, also we've got Unumurra's over
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there, of course, our old mate Unumurra. Ernie
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Dingo is over there. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, look,
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there's a whole branch of Aboriginal music that
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comes out of that area of Australia that's extraordinary
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and wonderful. Incredible. I don't know why it's
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not played as often as it should, but it should
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be played more. This fucking political correct
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bullshit, it just gets under my fucking skin,
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really does. I can't stand it. It's a blight
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on the nation. It's a blight on the nation. A
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blight on the nation. And our poor old bloody
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premiers, particularly during this COVID shit,
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mate, they're trying to do good stuff, but they
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can't get it right, even when they do get it
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right. Yeah, but they carry on with all that...
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Polly waffle. Polly waffle, for fuck's sake.
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At the end of the day, let me say, if I may,
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if a little remiss, let me remind you of this,
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what I plan to do, and let me say this to you
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in the most simplest of terms. If there's one
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thing I've learned, that the obvious thing, and
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it's a questionable thing, but before I proceed
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on this problem indeed, let me say now to you
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what I intend here to do. If time will allow,
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if I could state this somehow, as I've said all
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along, and now don't get me wrong, whether hither
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or hence, in the political sense, let me offer
00:43:30.590 --> 00:43:33.199
you this. me out I insist what I've set out to
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:34.920
do I make this promise to you and let me make
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this quite clear as true as I'm standing here
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.360
as I said at the time and I've been straight
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down the line on the subject of lurks there's
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not been any perks as a matter of fact having
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just told you that what I'm standing for let
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me tell you once more and I give you my word
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that I'm very concerned that if you look at the
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facts on the issue of tax then what I'm all about
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let me leave you no doubt at the end of the day
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let me say if I may having just told you that
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let me just ask you this I can't remember the
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question thank fuck that's over Come back again
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for another weekly adventure with Stumpy and
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Grumpy.
