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"Photography books often have titles like The Photographer’s Eye or The Vision of So and So or Seeing Photographs — as if photographers didn’t have minds, only eyes."
-- Duane Michals
“A book is like a piece of music; it has a beginning and an end, but what happens in between is up to you.”
-- Stephen Shore
In this episode, Antonio talks about connecting with his new Fujifilm X100VI camera during a photo walk around New York City. He reflects on how much he enjoys shooting with this camera, which feels just right in his hands and helps him capture the energy of the city. As fall sets in and the days get shorter, he’s planning to head back out for some night photography, especially around the bright lights of Times Square.
Ward shares his recent experience photographing the Pride parade in Calgary. He usually shoots in black and white but decided to switch things up and capture the parade’s vibrant colors. It turned out to be a lively and colorful event, full of energy and emotion, and gave him a new perspective on his work. He also took a vintage Rolleicord camera to a local car show, revisiting the slower, more thoughtful process of shooting medium format film. These experiences got him thinking about how different settings and equipment can change the way you see and capture the world.
The guys also talk about their latest finds in photo books.
Antonio shares his experience attending the ICP Photo Book Fest in New York City, where picked up some new titles including Todd Hido’s "On Landscapes, Interiors, and the Nude", which explores the emotional impact of color and composition, and Trent Parke’s "Minutes to Midnight", which offers a stark, striking view of life in Australia. He also discusses his motivations for selecting specific books and how they can aid in teaching photography.
Ward also talks about a local photography book launch event he attended, featuring the work of pure mathematician and photographer Arturo Pianzola. He also brings up "Eight Seconds: Black Rodeo Culture" by Ivan McClellan, a book that dives into the unique and underrepresented world of Black rodeo. He describes the vivid color photographs that capture the people, culture, and atmosphere of this often-overlooked part of American life. The book opened his eyes to a new side of rodeo culture, adding another layer to his understanding of photography’s role in telling diverse stories.
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Photography books often have titles like the photographer's eye or the vision
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of so-and-so or seeing photographs as if photographers didn't have minds only eyes.
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A book is like a piece of music. It has a beginning and an end,
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but what happens in between is up to you.
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Music.
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Hey, welcome to the Street Shots Photography Podcast.
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This is Antonio. And this is Ward.
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Choking to death. It's Ward. It really is. It's not. It is Ward. Yeah, yeah.
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This is Happening Live. And this is episode 215 for the, what are we,
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in the middle of September.
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The middle of September, yeah. Yeah. Kids are back in school.
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Right. Leaves are starting to fall. School buses are running over people.
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Oh, okay. I didn't hear that one. Okay.
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You know what? Sorry, I can rant a little bit, but I don't know who's training
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the bus drivers in New York City, the school bus drivers.
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But they must have trained at some demolition derby or something.
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They are the most dangerous drivers, I think, in New York City.
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And you know they've got the worst vehicles those big yellow school buses are
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just are terrible and and they have really bad driving some of them like for
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for i get it they'll drop off a kid and you know like a two-way street what
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they'll do is they'll diagonally cut both
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like instead of staying on their side of the street right they'll cut into the
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both lanes on a diagonal so that nobody can get by now i get that sort of like
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yes it's going to stop any car,
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coming by. But, you know, I mean.
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That must say something about New York drivers, too, because they don't see
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the little stop signs that come out of the school bus.
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Even with a big fine, that's no deterrent. It's just...
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Anyway, so yeah, school has started. It's a lot... I don't know if it's quieter, but who knows?
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And it feels like... This feels like the beginning of the year.
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September always feels like,
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Like, I think I don't know about you, but I always still feel like I'm on a
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school schedule for some strange reason.
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I think I did now that our kids are older and we, I don't really have that ebb
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and flow. It's just the traffic, I guess. The traffic looks different.
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But I mean, just in terms of like your general overall, like feeling,
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don't you, do you still feel like, you know, September is like the start of
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a year in some way? Not really. No, I don't think.
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It's just here. There's this kind of doom waiting for the snow to fly.
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That's part of that right yeah but that's not
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like you know hunker down that's you know back to
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school it's we're we're back at it i don't really
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have that feeling okay all right
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i don't know i hated school so so
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you know september comes up and i dread i kind of dread like
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it feels like the beginning of a season right so
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you know the beginning of therapy because they all go go away on august
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and so therapy starts in september school starts
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in september you know the seasons change like all of
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a sudden the you know like a switch flips sometimes and
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like our temperature drops so anyway anyway
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yes it's the middle of september that's a long long way to say that and we don't
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remember we don't know what the area code is do we for 215 i didn't look it
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up i didn't look good so let's just leave that leave that as homework for the
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viewer what is area code Code 215. 215.
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There is one. Yeah. So how have you been?
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I've been good. There's some stuff we'll be talking about.
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I've been doing the last couple of days and it has remained warm here,
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thankfully, and will probably remain warm, I guess, into the mid eighties Fahrenheit
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and a little warmer over these past few days.
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So that's very good for this time of year and the length of time we've had this warm weather.
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You can say unseasonably warm.
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So does that mean anything for your photography or it doesn't matter?
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It's just like more people are out or like, does it, does it change?
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Well, I mean, if I was still working downtown, I think I would, I would do more.
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And there were, there were some things I did, uh, whatever, two weekend,
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two weekends ago, a weekend ago, or it was a lot of fun covered the parade and that was fun.
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And good weather, right? In good weather. Yeah. And very often it's,
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it's cooler and it's not, not as much, not as much energy in the crowd or in
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the parade participants.
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Right. Cool.
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Yeah. Nice. Yeah. We've, we've turned into fall today and I think we're going
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back to summer tomorrow.
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So, uh, yeah, it's, it's okay.
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Yeah. And what have I been doing? I don't know. I've been playing with the new
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camera. So, you know, there's that.
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Sorry to say i'm not sorry to say this but you know there's sometimes when a
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piece of gear you know you can resonate with it on all levels and that model
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camera not necessarily the specific one but just that you know that x100 series
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like yeah once i pick it up and and get sort of,
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reintroduced to it again and just me and me and it work really well together
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i just feel that it's It's the kind of camera I really always wanted to have and use.
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I mean, yes, it's digital, not film, but it's just to me and it like I get back
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my pictures with it and I'm looking and I'm like, you know what? This just feels right.
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So last on Labor Day.
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My friend and I, my friend Geraldine and I did a walk, a photo walk,
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sort of the opposite direction that we went, that you and I went.
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We started up, actually, no, sorry. No, we walked, we started off at B&H and
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I helped her buy a camera.
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And, you know, that's, she was getting a new camera for doing some,
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for some job that's coming up.
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And she hasn't purchased a new digital camera in a while.
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So I was there to help. And I, and I bumped into my friends there.
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And so we talked for a while, but then we walked from there down to eighth, eighth street.
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So from 34th street on the West side. Yeah. Yeah.
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And so reminiscent of, of when you were in town and we stopped by,
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we walked down sixth Avenue and we stopped by the jazz loft and we took the
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same selfie that you and I did.
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Although they've changed the the another
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another store or something like that moved in but
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i did yeah i did go up the stairs i went
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halfway up and the floor that i went
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to was was closed and the next floor was open and i decided not to push my luck
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but i was inside of the i was actually inside the jazz loft on the stairway
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yeah and so that was pretty exciting so both of us walked down the street and
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she was using her camera and i was using my x100 and and doing some street I
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haven't put any of those pictures up yet,
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but that was, that was kind of fun.
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And then I, I understand now what you were talking about, cause it's really
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hard to talk and photograph at the same time. Yeah.
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So, and, and, but we were there to talk. I mean, I wasn't, it wasn't a photo
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walk. We were, we just brought our cameras to walk. So that was great.
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That was a blast. And I realized I need to go back into the city more often
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to, to do some photography.
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There's just so many opportunities or just drop myself into some place where there's a lot of people.
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And now that the holidays are coming up, like that's going to be pretty rich
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and especially going to like, I want to do some stuff at night,
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you know, but like in the time square area where there's a lot of lights and
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stuff, I really want to try doing that.
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And because it'll get darker earlier, I could go in, you know,
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you know, earlier in the day and not stay so late and, uh, come home.
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And so I'll be shooting at night. So anyway, it was, it was, it was some of that.
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And yeah, but of course I went to BNH and I had to buy something,
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but I just bought it. I bought some strap.
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I bought a strap for my camera. One of the peak design straps,
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which I really like. I've sort of fallen for those peak straps.
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I don't know if the button thing. Yeah. It's got that little red. Yeah.
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Clips on. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice because you can, once you have those little
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connectors onto the camera, you can, you know, pull off the strap whenever you want.
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It doesn't make the camera have these little dangly things, but,
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you know, taking the strap on and off is not a problem.
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So it's a, it's, it's a nice little design.
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So I got that in a little wrist strap too, like a clutch or something like that.
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So cute, but yeah, but you know, I walked out without spending too much money. Yeah.
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It was in the the the two
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to three digit not the three yeah yeah yeah
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yeah there's a there's some lenses that i
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was i was intrigued by but uh i also took
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a look at this sorry this is a gear thing but i did take a look at the
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nikon zf the their you know
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version of it's kind of like the modern version of the fm2 or the is it a full
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frame or is it a crop it is a full frame they have two two cameras they have
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the zfc and they have the zf right the zfc first came out and it's been around
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for a zillion years and it's got that retro look but it's the smaller frame and then the zf.
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Is is just the big brother of that but more
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modern things going on inside and a full frame and
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i gotta say if i
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if i sell some gear or something like that i'm gonna get that icon yeah no i'm
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not gonna buy it now i wouldn't buy it now but it it had a 40 millimeter lens
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on it and that seemed like such a nice it like seemed like a perfect focal length for that camera and,
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i don't know it just have lovely electronic viewfinders don't they yeah this
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was this was really a nice camera and plus it's got all the stuff on the outside
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and my friend we had already.
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the order in for it and then we walked by and i showed her the zf and
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i said she bought a sony and i said and she
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was looking at this she was oh i like this one i was like yeah but
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the sony's got better autofocus you know but uh you know it was a bit she was
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but i like all this stuff on the outside i get it i go yeah yeah but you know
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it's like it's more expensive than the sony and then but yeah anyway it was
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it was it was you You know, it's a, it's a temptation.
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You're walking that place. So, so speaking about temptations,
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uh, yeah, as we segue into this segue into this segue in a ham handed consumeristic way.
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Yeah. But before we do that, I do want to, I do want to mention,
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you know, usually bring this to the beginning, but one of our listeners,
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Tim Arthur bought us some coffee, right?
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Wow. He bought us five coffees and he said he loved the Meyer,
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the mayor discussion. And so thank you, Tim, so much.
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That was a fun one to do. Cause we were really lighting fires on with that discussion. That was that.
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And I, I've, I felt thankful that you were able to see, you know,
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a lot of the same stuff that I did and how inspiring it was and the whole thought
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around her and, and the work and where she fits. That's was great.
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But thank you, Tim. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you, Tim.
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And, you know, I'd like to put a, you know, sort of a rain check on continuing a discussion with her.
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Cause I can't imagine we could have solved or talked, talked her out in a half an hour.
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So I would love to pick that up again, maybe with somebody else too,
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if we can get to get someone else to come and talk to her.
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But yes, Tim, thank you for the coffees. I'm, I'm, I'm definitely caffeinated for sure.
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So I really, really, really appreciate it. it so if you want to if you want
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to join tim and support the show and buy us a coffee it's uh,
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buymeacoffee.com slash antonio rosario i'll put that up at the end of the show
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anyway but figure this is a good time to put it in and make tim a honorary producer for today's show.
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Very cool thanks tim all right anyway so yeah now to segue into stuff yeah so this This weekend,
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we're recording this on a Sunday, this weekend, for those of you who are in
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New York City, you might know of the International Center of Photography.
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one large photography museum in New York City and also an education center.
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Day and i decided to go to
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that i went i went yesterday i have
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all the cool stuff what uh yeah well you know
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what again another embarrassment for me is just like i had not been to the photographista
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place and now they're going to be closing although for those of you who are
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in new york you still have 20 days to go see the vivian meyer and bruce gildan
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show there it's going to close on the 29th.
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to hold all the stuff that they would do.
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Classroom space that was sort of underground a
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little bit and then they also had a museum space or
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gallery space across the street so they sort of occupied two locations
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i kind of like those locations but
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especially the the classroom thing they had this giant underground classroom
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thing and then they moved down to essex street
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now and it looks to me
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like i'm not sure about this because i haven't researched it but
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the building might have been specifically built for them so it's like a modern
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building with multiple floors and the ground floor is the entrance and it's
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a coffee shop cafe and and a bookstore too you know they have all the books
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and other things which i walked in to go to go show my tickets i was like i'm gonna,
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yeah it was like a wall of books and it's like all right i said i'm going to
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the book fest it only costs five bucks to go to the book fest so that's that was nice,
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And I went there, you know, I brought an empty backpack with me because I did
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anticipate buying some books.
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And I actually asked you for some, some recommendations because.
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And I just kept shoveling on pictures from my library until you said enough already. I know.
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I wanted to get a couple of books at least so that you and I can have the same
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library in some sense so we can talk about it on the show.
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Or if we, if we decide to do something else with books, you know,
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we both have the same book. So I thought it would be a good opportunity for
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me to, to see about buying at least one or two of the same ones that you had.
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And I, and I did buy, I did get a couple of books that I know you have.
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So that's, that's a good thing.
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But the multiple, multiple, excuse me, multiple publishers, they're publishing
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companies I never heard of before.
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I mean, but, uh, you know, I'm not very well-versed in the photography publishing
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business, so I don't know if they're new or not.
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It was, it was overwhelming.
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There was two floors of books of vendors and publishers.
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which I didn't really go to.
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And I didn't want to spend all day there.
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And it was very crowded. It was very crowded. And I did scope out all the different
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publishers and just the sheer number of books that I want.
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And photographers I've never heard of, too. I think it's, I think going to see
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like a book fair like this is a great way to get yourself introduced to people
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that you've never heard of before, because these, especially with the smaller publishers,
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they're producing pictures of books for photographers who are,
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you know, they're experimenting.
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And, and so I don't know where you get the chance to see all this stuff because,
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you know, you're not necessarily finding the books on Amazon and you're definitely
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not going to find a lot of this stuff in the library.
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I can guarantee you, I got to find some of this stuff in the libraries,
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you know, and where kids can look at it or stuff like that.
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So I didn't spend as much time scouring. I was looking for some of the books
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that you were talking about.
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And I, I, I was going to pick up a Ralph.
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There was two Ralph Gibson books I wanted that I saw. And then I walked around
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and I totally lost where they were.
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I don't know if I, which is probably good because I would have bought them in
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addition to all the books that were already stuffed in my, because by then I
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was like, I had already bought a bunch of, of books and I'll tell you what I got.
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I got this book called photographs, not taken a collection of photographers,
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essays edited by Will Stacey.
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And it's actually, I'm going to open it now. It's if there's no photos in this
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book whatsoever, I think it's just, hang on. I didn't plan for this.
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So I don't have my blade with me. I got my blade. Here we go.
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There we go. There you go. With the gravity flick thing.
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There we go. So it's a small, it's a small book,
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but the photographers who wrote essays in it, I go, wow, there's a whole list of them.
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Tim, Timothy Archibald, she's Nina Berman, Tim Davis.
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I'm just mentioning names. I don't know necessarily. Jim Goldberg,
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Tim Hetherington, Chris Jordan.
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There's, there's at least like 50 photographers here.
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David Mizell, Alex Webb, Rebecca Webb. Yeah.
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Mark Power. So let's see if I can read you what the book is about.
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So on the preface, it says, Photographs not taken as a collection of essays
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by photographers about moments that never became a picture.
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I have asked the photographers within these pages to abandon the tools needed
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to make a photograph and instead describe the experiences that did not pass
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through their camera lens.
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Here, the process of making a photograph has been reversed.
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Instead of looking out into the world through a camera lens,
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these essays look directly into the mind's eye to reveal where photographs come
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from in their barest and most primitive form, the original idea.
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These mental negatives depict the unedited world that could not exist in a single frame.
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So that's by Will Stacey. That's an interesting premise for a book, for sure. Sure.
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Yeah, it caught my eye, especially because I started to think about like,
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well, what what is it the books that I want to get here?
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And I decided to sort of aim at books that might help me for doing teaching.
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So I thought this would be a good this would be a good a good thing to read
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and add to, you know, whatever curriculums that I'm going to create in the future.
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The next book I got was called Looking at Photographs. so
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this is just another i think this is just it's
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a book by what is it by laurent julier
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i'm probably pronouncing that wrong j-u-l-l-i-e-r but
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it's another book essay it's sort of an introduction guide to about how to look
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at photographs but it's it it seems like it's not just an intro you know what
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i mean but again i bought it in in the idea that i could use it for help with
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With inspiration coming from other people's work.
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Another book by Sophie Howarth called The Mindful Photographer.
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So being present is the key to mindfulness and to taking great photographs that
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this helpful guide will show you the way this is the way the mindful photographer,
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part of a series of essential pocket companions.
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So it's a, it's a practical guide about mindfulness and photography.
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That's cool. I like, I like this side. It's not just about other people's work.
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It's about the philosophy and, and some of the, whatever you want to call it,
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the scholarship around photography and not just the act itself.
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Yeah. I figured that was a good, it was a good way. That one not taken.
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I'm going to have to get that title from you. I'm going to see if I can find it locally here.
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Yeah. And it was not an expensive book. It's only like, it was only like 15
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bucks. It's 15 bucks. So it's a worthwhile little thing.
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It's nice because the cover is this empty frame. It's this empty four by five
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piece of film. So it's, it's really, it's really nice.
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It's caught my eye. I did buy on your recommendation, the Stephen Shore modern
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instances, the craft of photography, a memoir.
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You could probably tell me a little bit about this. Yeah. So it is a memoir
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and it's also a description of individual circumstances he's been in.
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It's very, it's about what goes on in his mind so much. It's not a teaching book.
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It's his musings about his life and his work.
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And it's great because it's more like you and I sitting and talking to each
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other. It's not like, here's what I did.
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Here's the chronology. Here's what I did this year. Here's what I did that year, blah, blah, blah.
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And it's wonderful. It's light. It's not a heavy text.
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Although he does go into, well, maybe I should take that back a little bit.
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He talks about a lot of art and there's a lot of art criticism.
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As it pertains to his ideas and perception about art and how it affects his photography.
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So the densest parts of the book are around art and how they have affected him
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and how art has affected him.
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That's just my problem not being able to digest it, I think,
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for a normal human. It's not a problem.
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Because I'm like, he's talking about art. I don't know about photography.
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But definitely, there's this back and forth. I mean, it's, and I like,
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I like it because it's not, it's not a textbook.
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It's you're sitting across from shore and he's telling you what he's thinking, what he's feeling.
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So you think, do you think something like that, like this could make a good textbook in some way?
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Like that, cause you know, it's not, when you're talking about,
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it's not like the how to is, you know, as a memoir of a photographer,
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I'm always like trying to tell students, like if you get involved in the mind
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and the thinking of how a photographer,
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like what's going on in the making of the pictures, like not,
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not the actual making of it, but like the, the whole process of it,
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you know, I always think that's a valuable.
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Well, it's the other side of the brain you're using when you read that book, right?
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It's not, I mean, there's scholarly
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material in there. That's not really the point of the book for me.
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It's who sure, who sure is as a creative person and those things that help build him up that way.
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I mean, I'd have no problem with if a prof dropped that book in, in front of you and said,
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aside from all of this dry history stuff, here's a contemporary photographer
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who, you know, here's his creative outlook on things.
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I think it's great. I mean, I mean, the fact that it isn't, that it is,
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has a more creative bent to it, I think is its real appeal.
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And maybe it should be, it should be taught. Maybe it is. We don't know. Just the way it is. Yeah.
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We don't know. But no, it's very enjoyable. And it's, most chapters are very
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short, two, three, four pages.
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There's usually one photograph associated with each.
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There could be, there could be one paragraph or three pages based on kind of
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keyed off what goes on in that photograph or that photograph was produced because
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of this set of perceptions.
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And so it's just, it's just, just to keep you in the, in the game.
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And I love it. Like I've got it, I've got it on my, you know,
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beside my easy chair in my, in the living room and I can just thumb through.
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It's one of those books. You don't have to start from the beginning if you don't want to.
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Oh, okay. All right. I think I'll start. I did the first time.
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The first two times I read it, I went from front to back. Oh, wow. Okay. Wow.
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So it's interesting. I haven't unwrapped it yet. The book cover is really nice
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because it's got a sort of what looks like an etching of a camera obscura.
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And it's a very low key book,
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but the back has got a couple of blurbs from the Washington Post says modern
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instances is more than just a collection of musings about a life lived in the
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arts. It's the book itself is an artwork.
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David Fincher, who I think is the film director. He's a director.
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Yeah. Right. Yeah. Modern instances will no doubt affect how you make or appreciate
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photographs. It might even alter how you see.
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And then Alex Soth says modern instances is the textbook I've been waiting for.
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It's about craft and biography and the subtitle suggests, but as the subtitle
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suggests, but it's also a guide for living.
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So that's an interesting thing to say So this one I'll probably unwrap And maybe
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start this week I'm in the mood for something along these lines So the books
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continue Hang on There's a couple more Wait,
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there's more Now how much will you pay? Wait, there's more Well,
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actually, there's a couple of Hang on,
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I'm going to pull these out. There's a publisher in Brooklyn called,
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or at least they were in Brooklyn, called Red Hook Editions.
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They've got a picture. They've got a logo of the giant crane.
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The cranes that are down in the shipping cranes that are down in Red Hook.
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But they're no longer in Red Hook. They moved to Queens.
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But they were giving out these zines called dog food.
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And you know you look at them and i'm not
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gonna i'm not gonna you know obviously people who are listening are
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not going to see them so i'm just showing you ward yeah they're really sort
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of designed and experimental and they're just these great zines and they gave
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out like i took five of them they they were actually making them for free and
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you know they're this they're these great eight zines.
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And so I picked up a bunch of these also because I do teach zine classes and
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I wanted to have multiple samples of zines to show people who come to that class.
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So that was nice. That was really nice. I got to meet the guy who was running it too.
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I also went to the Magnum booth or actually this one was from the Aperture booth
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and I bought a book from Todd Hido.
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It's called It's called On Landscapes, Interiors, and the Nude.
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It's a photography workshop series.
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And it's just, if you know Todd, how do you pronounce his name?
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Heido or Heido? I honestly don't know. I thought it was Heido,
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but we could. I'll say Heido because that sounds better.
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I don't know. But it's all a book on his pictures and why he's photographing them and how he does it.
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The color of emotion, the intimate distance. Yeah.
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Finding your way. Right. And so it's a nice selection of his pictures and then,
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you know, paragraphs about, you know, as if you were talking to photography
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students, but he also signed it. I got a signature.
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Nice. Yeah. So he signed it. That was nice.
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And then last but not least, I bought at the Magnum booth. Okay.
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They had a copy of Trent Park's Minutes to Midnight.
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Totally. Fantastic book. And when you texted me that you were looking at it,
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I had assumed that you hadn't made a decision to purchase it.
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So I was, I was giving you a rough time. The number that you said that they
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wanted for it. I'm like, oh, it's a great book. It's not worth that.
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I mean, I would, I would, I would spend my money somewhere else.
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I said, well, don't judge me because I bought it. now i
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feel like a horse's ass uh yeah so
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okay well you know to be fair it is a book it's one it's it's amazing book to
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00:29:00,016 --> 00:29:04,976
be fair it was it was pricey and i i rationalized and judged by saying it will
417
00:29:04,976 --> 00:29:08,556
be my early birthday present well what you can say about anything that you buy
418
00:29:08,556 --> 00:29:13,156
yeah as long as it's before your birthday you can say after your birthday he's like well you know
419
00:29:13,196 --> 00:29:19,176
it's a belated birthday present so yeah it it's so i have to blame you okay
420
00:29:19,176 --> 00:29:24,696
great so i feel bad it's a double whammy i give you grief for spending the money
421
00:29:24,696 --> 00:29:30,176
on the book yeah i know you're the one who got me into into trent parker at
422
00:29:30,176 --> 00:29:31,736
least you introduced me to him and then.
423
00:29:32,356 --> 00:29:37,436
Just by what i've seen of his work in the connections and you know i've only
424
00:29:37,436 --> 00:29:40,516
i think i've only scratched the surface looking at his work but i've fallen
425
00:29:40,516 --> 00:29:44,956
in love with that of the, we, we talked about the book monument and I have at
426
00:29:44,956 --> 00:29:46,576
least two copies, you know.
427
00:29:49,376 --> 00:29:53,156
I actually by accident ordered a third. So that's sitting on a shelf someplace.
428
00:29:53,376 --> 00:29:56,396
I didn't realize he did that. I wanted to have one so I could thumb through.
429
00:29:56,516 --> 00:30:00,236
And the other one is a collector's thing. Cause it's just a beautiful book in itself.
430
00:30:00,336 --> 00:30:04,976
And I won't rehash that. And we can go back to that episode, walk in the park.
431
00:30:04,996 --> 00:30:08,736
But when you, you have this book. Yes. Yes, I do.
432
00:30:09,176 --> 00:30:13,196
Yeah. Yeah, so when you showed it to me, I think that was my first introduction to his work.
433
00:30:13,656 --> 00:30:18,796
And then as I started to find more of it, and then I found a YouTube video where
434
00:30:18,796 --> 00:30:21,856
somebody was, you know, viewing this book and going through all the pages.
435
00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:28,016
And I'm just floored by his work. There's something to be moved by a photographer
436
00:30:28,016 --> 00:30:31,576
in a way that, you know, that doesn't happen that often.
437
00:30:31,656 --> 00:30:35,676
You know, I've had it with like Irving Penn, and there's probably a few other photographers.
438
00:30:35,796 --> 00:30:37,656
I think Michael Kenna has done that to me.
439
00:30:38,536 --> 00:30:41,636
David la chapelle of of all photographs like
440
00:30:41,636 --> 00:30:44,596
there's just color and noise and structure
441
00:30:44,596 --> 00:30:49,556
yeah just over the top stuff right you know and then and then you know trent
442
00:30:49,556 --> 00:30:55,396
park it speaks to me on a level that is there's almost no words to so you know
443
00:30:55,396 --> 00:30:59,556
there's nothing so the book itself is like it's it just looks like a book right
444
00:30:59,556 --> 00:31:04,416
but it's out of print and it's his pictures and so it did make it an expensive collector's item.
445
00:31:05,816 --> 00:31:09,176
And my intention is it's still wrapped up in the plastic. My intention is to
446
00:31:09,176 --> 00:31:11,956
unwrap it and look at it because I bought it. Cause I want to look at the pictures.
447
00:31:12,076 --> 00:31:17,856
It's, I mean, of course I'll try to take care of it because it is, it is a valuable thing.
448
00:31:17,956 --> 00:31:22,796
And I want to, I treat, I try to treat my stuff with respect because it will outlast me.
449
00:31:23,036 --> 00:31:27,916
You know, we're just the caretakers of these things, I believe, you know?
450
00:31:29,036 --> 00:31:32,656
So yeah. So that, you know, actually after I got that, I said,
451
00:31:32,696 --> 00:31:35,016
I got it. I told the woman at the counter, I said, I got to go now.
452
00:31:35,516 --> 00:31:39,636
Yeah. I got to leave because, you know, and then that's what I was trying to
453
00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:43,196
find the Ralph Gibson books that I didn't. And I, well, actually I want to get
454
00:31:43,196 --> 00:31:46,116
one of those books, but I'm glad I couldn't find it because that would have
455
00:31:46,116 --> 00:31:47,976
just sent me over the edge.
456
00:31:48,056 --> 00:31:52,016
But the, the, you know, Trent park was, that was well worth it.
457
00:31:52,056 --> 00:31:54,776
And it was a book that you have, and I'd like to sort of do a,
458
00:31:54,856 --> 00:31:58,216
you know, you and me talking about it sometime, you know? Sure.
459
00:31:58,896 --> 00:32:01,856
Yeah. Yeah. There's something amazing about the light in that book. and
460
00:32:01,856 --> 00:32:04,896
and also echoes into monument too
461
00:32:04,896 --> 00:32:08,356
that light that low you know
462
00:32:08,356 --> 00:32:12,056
morning and evening light at that latitude it's fascinating
463
00:32:12,056 --> 00:32:17,296
different and slightly alien to us that are in north america yeah and you know
464
00:32:17,296 --> 00:32:21,276
that cover with these bats that are you know translucent wings and it's just
465
00:32:21,276 --> 00:32:27,136
you know and it's printed on it like it it's printed i mean you must have the
466
00:32:27,136 --> 00:32:29,236
same one but but the pictures are printed on the linen.
467
00:32:29,436 --> 00:32:32,936
Yeah. Like it's not a book cover. It's, it's really kind of cool.
468
00:32:33,056 --> 00:32:36,236
So, oh, all right. So I got that and you know, we'll leave that.
469
00:32:36,296 --> 00:32:40,656
We'll, we'll shelf that, you know, literally till the next time.
470
00:32:40,816 --> 00:32:44,876
But I, I did see, remember, I don't know if we talked about it,
471
00:32:44,936 --> 00:32:49,456
but the photographer, Matt Black had, I know of Matt Black. He was a magnum. Yeah.
472
00:32:50,136 --> 00:32:55,016
American geography, I think was, was, I don't, I don't know that.
473
00:32:55,056 --> 00:32:58,716
Oh, maybe, maybe we did, But I don't know if we talked about it,
474
00:32:58,756 --> 00:33:02,856
but anyway, his, his book was there, which I have, and he signed that.
475
00:33:03,636 --> 00:33:06,776
And then there was another version of it. That was the cover.
476
00:33:06,816 --> 00:33:09,936
His book was all black, right? And even the type is all black.
477
00:33:10,076 --> 00:33:13,696
And it's, it's this trip that he took through the United States.
478
00:33:14,536 --> 00:33:19,736
I'm, I'm, I'm not doing it any justice by this description, but it's incredible photography.
479
00:33:19,936 --> 00:33:23,756
Right. And then there was a second volume there that was all white.
480
00:33:23,796 --> 00:33:26,356
That was the same name. And it was, it was part of the same trip.
481
00:33:27,076 --> 00:33:31,116
And I almost bought it and I was, had I not gotten this thing,
482
00:33:31,276 --> 00:33:34,716
I still might get it, but it was a collect, think of it like,
483
00:33:34,736 --> 00:33:39,156
like an Irving pen and burned and Hilla Besher combined.
484
00:33:39,596 --> 00:33:45,636
Oh, okay. Where he's photographing ephemera and garbage and debris and detritus
485
00:33:45,636 --> 00:33:48,196
and, and, and cataloging them.
486
00:33:48,256 --> 00:33:53,536
So the like double page spreads of like crushed beer cans and they're black and white.
487
00:33:53,536 --> 00:33:56,756
And there's like hundreds of them all lined up
488
00:33:56,756 --> 00:34:00,636
sort of like a catalog and and and i didn't
489
00:34:00,636 --> 00:34:03,796
quite get it immediately because i was not sure i wanted to like i didn't
490
00:34:03,796 --> 00:34:09,816
i wasn't sure i wanted this book about this catalog of of items but now that
491
00:34:09,816 --> 00:34:13,296
i've been thinking about it it makes a nice companion to his other book and
492
00:34:13,296 --> 00:34:17,236
it's part of the whole process that he he went through while he was photographing
493
00:34:17,236 --> 00:34:21,336
because he was photographing america and all the things that make in his mind what was.
494
00:34:21,416 --> 00:34:24,056
Making america at least during this trip so i think i might
495
00:34:24,056 --> 00:34:27,056
get it you know if it's i think i'm i'll put that on my amazon list
496
00:34:27,056 --> 00:34:30,796
and hopefully buy it or go to a store and buy it so
497
00:34:30,796 --> 00:34:33,896
yeah so that's it i walked out with a good
498
00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:37,896
selection of books you know i've got stuff to keep me company as
499
00:34:37,896 --> 00:34:41,276
the weather starts to turn yeah i
500
00:34:41,276 --> 00:34:44,116
can sit and read at the coffee shop or here
501
00:34:44,116 --> 00:34:46,856
and you know this this trend park book i'm
502
00:34:46,856 --> 00:34:50,476
gonna have to like you know it's gonna have a special place yeah take
503
00:34:50,476 --> 00:34:53,516
care you know don't want a cat scratching it otherwise
504
00:34:53,516 --> 00:34:56,736
like that cat will have to pay the ultimate price all
505
00:34:56,736 --> 00:34:59,896
right there's a
506
00:34:59,896 --> 00:35:04,376
loving cat owner right there yeah no no i used to have a cat that used to i
507
00:35:04,376 --> 00:35:09,136
used to have cats that scratched my books these guys don't do it but they used
508
00:35:09,136 --> 00:35:12,596
to use it as a scratching person oh you gotta be kidding you've ruined how many
509
00:35:12,596 --> 00:35:18,156
books so anyway so that was that That was my, that was, that was my hall.
510
00:35:18,296 --> 00:35:23,116
And again, you know, we've talked about books here on this show a lot and I, I.
511
00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:26,850
I don't think I can get enough of them in some way, you know?
512
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:29,730
Well, you know, it's nice. I get a burst of them and then I'm done.
513
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:31,390
Like I'm kind of running out of shelf space.
514
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:34,250
I have to get rid of some other books and stuff, but you know,
515
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:39,770
this, this idea of having like the, the next best thing to seeing their photographs
516
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:43,130
in a gallery is, is having a book, I think.
517
00:35:43,690 --> 00:35:47,870
Yeah. And so I just wish I could have spent more time there.
518
00:35:48,350 --> 00:35:51,650
And I think I need to just go to ICP and just go through the books themselves.
519
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:55,190
Like again, Again, I tell students, like, if you want to find photographers,
520
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:58,070
just go to a bookstore and hang out there.
521
00:35:58,130 --> 00:36:00,450
And I probably said this a million times, but we used to have this place in
522
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:02,210
the city. It was called the photographer's place.
523
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:06,530
And it was just a bookstore for photo books.
524
00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:11,110
And it was a big bookstore for what it had. And it was amazing.
525
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:16,370
And, you know, we don't really have that much anymore.
526
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:21,110
And for people who are not in a place where they can easily go to a bookstore,
527
00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:24,590
store you only have amazon or something like that where you can order you
528
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:28,110
know it's a little trickier but i would say anytime you get a chance to go to
529
00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:31,550
some place and just dive into the books it's just a great way to like you know
530
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:35,830
if you randomly pull something off the shelf and and take a look you know you
531
00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:41,150
don't know where you're gonna find so anyway that's that's my uh that's what
532
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:42,930
i did that was my week you did.
533
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:56,560
Music.
534
00:36:56,406 --> 00:37:01,846
Now there's a couple of things book-wise that happened this week for me.
535
00:37:02,306 --> 00:37:07,566
Um, one was, I received a book I ordered some months ago, actually,
536
00:37:07,606 --> 00:37:12,326
or quite a few weeks ago called eight seconds, black rodeo culture.
537
00:37:12,766 --> 00:37:15,086
It's by Ivan McClellan.
538
00:37:16,006 --> 00:37:21,086
Believe Ivan is a photographer from Oklahoma.
539
00:37:21,226 --> 00:37:27,386
I would like to say. And he discovered black rodeo culture just,
540
00:37:27,626 --> 00:37:33,406
he happened to drive, if I remember correctly, he just happened to drive by a rodeo.
541
00:37:33,406 --> 00:37:38,246
He noticed that all the participants were black, as we tend to think of the
542
00:37:38,246 --> 00:37:46,346
cliche cowboy as being white, but there's a whole culture of black farming, ranching, and rodeo.
543
00:37:46,346 --> 00:37:51,826
And so like McClellan, I was embarrassed to be ignorant to that.
544
00:37:52,106 --> 00:37:57,426
And so I, it just arrived, this book just arrived yesterday and it's a vivid
545
00:37:57,426 --> 00:38:06,046
color images of, of competitors in rodeo, of families, of dads with their babies up in the saddle.
546
00:38:06,046 --> 00:38:10,826
Battle you know it's a competition for kids called mutton busting where the
547
00:38:10,826 --> 00:38:17,326
kids put on you know a vest and a hockey helmet and they put them on sheep and let them go really yeah.
548
00:38:18,766 --> 00:38:26,946
And so yeah so just just all of all of the you know all of the aspects of of rodeo culture,
549
00:38:27,546 --> 00:38:31,626
but with uh with the african-american little
550
00:38:31,626 --> 00:38:34,506
to it and i had no idea and so i'm going to go through this
551
00:38:34,506 --> 00:38:37,646
and i think it's going to be a treasured volume because it
552
00:38:37,646 --> 00:38:40,546
is what i think i know about rodeo which is
553
00:38:40,546 --> 00:38:44,206
actually really not that much i take pictures of them but now i've
554
00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:47,226
got something to help help complete the circle of north
555
00:38:47,226 --> 00:38:50,246
american rodeo culture and it's it's amazing
556
00:38:50,246 --> 00:38:54,366
and i'm very glad i had it how did you find this book in the first place like
557
00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:59,846
you said you ordered it but it was i think mcclellan was on the berrian x's
558
00:38:59,846 --> 00:39:04,466
oh yeah and that's where Where I first heard of it and then I was embarrassed
559
00:39:04,466 --> 00:39:07,826
when I was listening and I thought, well, I have to order.
560
00:39:09,326 --> 00:39:16,126
So, so yeah, so that was, that was great. Next was on Friday night and I went to the camera store,
561
00:39:16,286 --> 00:39:21,746
which is not quite ICP, but it's our little, they have, they have quite a well-stocked
562
00:39:21,746 --> 00:39:26,106
photography photo book store inside the store.
563
00:39:26,106 --> 00:39:32,186
They were advertising for Friday night this guy who is a mathematician.
564
00:39:32,326 --> 00:39:33,706
He's called a pure mathematician.
565
00:39:34,918 --> 00:39:38,478
And his name was Arturo, Arturo Pianzola was his name.
566
00:39:38,898 --> 00:39:41,778
What is a pure math? What is a, do you know what a pure mathematician is?
567
00:39:41,778 --> 00:39:48,198
Pure math as opposed to, you know, doing math for astrophysics or chemistry or that sort of stuff.
568
00:39:48,278 --> 00:39:51,158
It's just pure, pure math numbers.
569
00:39:51,338 --> 00:39:53,478
And so that just on its own.
570
00:39:53,978 --> 00:40:00,558
So it's very much into symmetry and plotting out various things in algebraic,
571
00:40:00,558 --> 00:40:03,298
you know, functions and things like that.
572
00:40:03,298 --> 00:40:09,878
So his whole life, he's grew up in Argentina, moved to Canada to work with a
573
00:40:09,878 --> 00:40:12,658
Canadian mathematician in Edmonton,
574
00:40:12,678 --> 00:40:15,658
which is about three hours north of where I am sitting right now.
575
00:40:16,958 --> 00:40:23,118
And he's, yeah, that's his day job. And he joined a group called the Monochrome
576
00:40:23,118 --> 00:40:27,438
Guild, which is an Edmonton based black and white gelatin silver club,
577
00:40:27,578 --> 00:40:30,078
basically a group of, a group of photographers.
578
00:40:30,878 --> 00:40:34,778
And they. What a great name too. I know. It sounds great.
579
00:40:35,478 --> 00:40:40,358
So he has some six by six cameras. He's got a Leica M4, I think,
580
00:40:40,358 --> 00:40:45,858
that I saw him, that he had out on when he was giving his talk on Friday night that I attended.
581
00:40:46,418 --> 00:40:51,898
And he also does shoot digital, but because of the idea of the club,
582
00:40:51,898 --> 00:40:55,138
as you print your work, he creates a digital negative.
583
00:40:55,298 --> 00:41:00,458
So it's a transparency, a black and white transparency created from the digital source.
584
00:41:00,978 --> 00:41:04,098
And then he prints that. that so and basically
585
00:41:04,098 --> 00:41:07,998
the thrust of his talk was is if it's
586
00:41:07,998 --> 00:41:11,118
really your passion put every every bit
587
00:41:11,118 --> 00:41:15,598
of effort into creating the work that you're creating which you know in the
588
00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:19,038
instagram culture when i use the phone and all that sort of stuff i i don't
589
00:41:19,038 --> 00:41:23,278
do that i yeah i put in as little energy as possible to get the image i want
590
00:41:23,278 --> 00:41:28,058
it's just this different you know i have this idea of what i want to shoot and so on.
591
00:41:28,278 --> 00:41:31,338
Well, he was very much about, he's in the location.
592
00:41:31,418 --> 00:41:36,418
He told the story of standing in front of a basilica, I think in South America somewhere.
593
00:41:37,958 --> 00:41:41,478
And there was, it was a crypt. It was like an outside crypt,
594
00:41:41,658 --> 00:41:45,378
like a small, like a, almost like a sarcophagus out in the street.
595
00:41:45,498 --> 00:41:51,218
And there was the Virgin Mary standing as a statue behind in this kind of scalloped
596
00:41:51,218 --> 00:41:58,978
in area of this, of this presumably a basilica. and it was a very symmetrical looking,
597
00:42:00,106 --> 00:42:03,186
composition and he was getting his he had a film camera like a
598
00:42:03,186 --> 00:42:06,846
like a six by seven film camera and he
599
00:42:06,846 --> 00:42:10,946
was kind of lining up trying to decide if you know if he should take this picture
600
00:42:10,946 --> 00:42:14,386
and he thought there was an element that was missing and a little boy about
601
00:42:14,386 --> 00:42:19,286
four years four years old ran into the frame and stopped and looked up at the
602
00:42:19,286 --> 00:42:26,666
virgin mary and he said oh i think i got it the composition is good now, I will shoot it.
603
00:42:26,806 --> 00:42:34,186
And so he had stories that he told of that ilk, of these different pictures that he took.
604
00:42:34,506 --> 00:42:36,986
And so all these images that he
605
00:42:36,986 --> 00:42:43,906
spoke about are in this book that he was promoting as part of this talk.
606
00:42:44,706 --> 00:42:47,726
Sorry, did you say he lives in Canada? He lives in Canada.
607
00:42:47,786 --> 00:42:51,806
He lives in Edmonton, yeah. He's been here for quite a few years,
608
00:42:51,826 --> 00:42:54,326
actually. Maybe 40 years he's lived here.
609
00:42:54,746 --> 00:42:58,006
I see. Okay. So, and it's, it's great to buy local.
610
00:42:58,086 --> 00:43:03,126
I got a book from, from a local photographer. So his images are from South America
611
00:43:03,126 --> 00:43:07,586
around where he grew up, Buenos Aires, also around Alberta too.
612
00:43:07,686 --> 00:43:13,686
And there's Alberta, which is like a couple of hours east of here and out in the mountains here.
613
00:43:13,866 --> 00:43:19,486
And that's, it was really, really good to see some kind of fine art,
614
00:43:19,526 --> 00:43:24,746
black and white pictures around the local area. So I was happy to, happy to get that.
615
00:43:25,206 --> 00:43:29,186
What's the date? Does there a date range in the book? Like, is it of a certain
616
00:43:29,186 --> 00:43:32,226
period of time or like a. That's a good question.
617
00:43:32,486 --> 00:43:36,486
Actually, that never came up, but I'm just looking at the images here.
618
00:43:36,566 --> 00:43:42,946
I don't think there's anything earlier than perhaps 2000 in these.
619
00:43:42,986 --> 00:43:48,526
There may be stuff from the nineties, but it all to, to, to my eye,
620
00:43:48,566 --> 00:43:51,426
I think it was, it's all pretty recent.
621
00:43:52,046 --> 00:43:56,426
And the stories that he told of the images that he did highlight from the book, uh.
622
00:43:57,370 --> 00:44:03,050
Would, you know, was shot with this camera and I went with my friend from Edmonton
623
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:04,930
and we, you know, shot this picture.
624
00:44:05,050 --> 00:44:07,330
So it's all, it's all pretty recent.
625
00:44:07,530 --> 00:44:14,550
And I have a feeling it's just probably since he joined the monochrome guild is what I think.
626
00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:17,710
And he's just got, got support from that, from that group of people.
627
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:22,410
Probably they probably helped convince him to, to produce the book.
628
00:44:22,850 --> 00:44:27,250
Is it, is it a self produced book or is it? It is. Yeah. Yeah, he's selling it.
629
00:44:27,350 --> 00:44:31,850
I mean, he's, it's in the, a few different camera stores, but it's in,
630
00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:37,650
if you look up the, the monochrome guild, there's, there should be links there to, uh, to the book.
631
00:44:37,950 --> 00:44:40,090
All right. We'll make sure we put that in the show notes too,
632
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:41,590
so that we can click on that.
633
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:46,290
And yeah, so I believe it is for sale on the web. I could be wrong about that.
634
00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:49,110
I purchased this in the camera store right after his talk.
635
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:53,230
And it's funny because I told him, you know, I have a book in here.
636
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:55,690
My friend Mark and I have a book in here and it's just right over there.
637
00:44:56,510 --> 00:45:00,530
So he ended up buying, he and his wife were there and they, they said,
638
00:45:00,590 --> 00:45:01,830
well, we have to buy your book.
639
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:05,650
So they ended up buying, it was the last one that they had in stock there.
640
00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:07,370
Oh, that's great. That's great.
641
00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:12,990
So, and we, we dedicated the books to each other. So that was kind of nice. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.
642
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:17,430
And it's nice to just sit and hear someone who's passionate about.
643
00:45:18,246 --> 00:45:21,366
About photography in a different way than you are you
644
00:45:21,366 --> 00:45:24,406
know like there's always lessons you can learn about somebody
645
00:45:24,406 --> 00:45:27,826
else who's doesn't have the same equipment
646
00:45:27,826 --> 00:45:30,666
or doesn't have the same interest in
647
00:45:30,666 --> 00:45:33,626
the gear or doesn't have or just comes from
648
00:45:33,626 --> 00:45:36,726
a different background entirely and how they discovered
649
00:45:36,726 --> 00:45:40,106
and how they work and how they think you're getting
650
00:45:40,106 --> 00:45:43,226
into steven shore too you know same kind of thing like it's
651
00:45:43,226 --> 00:45:46,806
nice to appear inside somebody else's mind about their creativity
652
00:45:46,806 --> 00:45:50,266
and how they work do you do you
653
00:45:50,266 --> 00:45:53,906
find yourself like i mean how can we not compare yourself
654
00:45:53,906 --> 00:45:57,286
to someone like that like you were just saying before about instagram and how
655
00:45:57,286 --> 00:46:01,346
you you know how you think about pictures compared to someone like him and i
656
00:46:01,346 --> 00:46:04,366
i was as you were saying that i'm thinking the same thing it's like you know
657
00:46:04,366 --> 00:46:11,506
there are people who who live and breathe photography and you know which this
658
00:46:11,506 --> 00:46:13,786
gentleman sounds like he's doing in some way.
659
00:46:14,206 --> 00:46:19,846
And, you know, I, I, I tend to sometimes want to like, you know,
660
00:46:19,846 --> 00:46:21,786
I wish I could be like that.
661
00:46:22,526 --> 00:46:26,826
You know, there's some part of me that wishes that. And, you know,
662
00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:28,666
I don't know if it's just, you know, something, well, just do it.
663
00:46:28,706 --> 00:46:32,046
You can't just do it. Like there's something further, there's something deeper about it.
664
00:46:32,086 --> 00:46:33,546
So anyway, I was just curious about that from your point of view.
665
00:46:33,546 --> 00:46:36,026
No, well, I asked him in the Q and a, after I said,
666
00:46:36,526 --> 00:46:39,586
you know, if your, your day job is mathematics,
667
00:46:39,586 --> 00:46:43,226
mathematics is a very concrete academic you
668
00:46:43,226 --> 00:46:46,066
know procedural thing that you're
669
00:46:46,066 --> 00:46:48,886
doing day in and day out and i said how
670
00:46:48,886 --> 00:46:51,926
do you separate like i talk about my own experience
671
00:46:51,926 --> 00:46:54,846
how do you how do you separate the act of shooting
672
00:46:54,846 --> 00:46:58,406
the pre whatever you want to call it pre-visualization lining up the shot whatever
673
00:46:58,406 --> 00:47:04,686
the shooting the developing the printing and the spotting of the print he had
674
00:47:04,686 --> 00:47:10,006
a story about one print that was particularly dirty the negative was really
675
00:47:10,006 --> 00:47:13,146
in poor shape and there was pots all over and.
676
00:47:14,321 --> 00:47:18,301
And he spent hours spotting the print because he didn't have time to go back
677
00:47:18,301 --> 00:47:21,961
in the dark room to get, and the whole, and the, and the, the,
678
00:47:21,961 --> 00:47:26,321
the picture is in the book. The spotted print is in the, is in the book.
679
00:47:26,381 --> 00:47:30,501
And it's this kind of masterpiece of tonal range.
680
00:47:31,001 --> 00:47:34,121
And he was talking about how you get the ink and it's pure black,
681
00:47:34,201 --> 00:47:38,201
and then you water it down until it's the right tone on the print.
682
00:47:38,361 --> 00:47:41,361
Well, if it's too light, that's not a problem. It's too dark.
683
00:47:41,401 --> 00:47:46,021
You're screwed. I remember those things. Tell that story, yeah.
684
00:47:46,261 --> 00:47:53,481
I was lucky. I didn't have to spot too much, but the whole, what do you want to call it?
685
00:47:53,521 --> 00:47:59,861
The mystery and the joy and the frustration and the victory of that particular
686
00:47:59,861 --> 00:48:07,121
picture was all these hours of spotting it to make the print in such a way that
687
00:48:07,121 --> 00:48:12,041
it's a world-class fine art print that's in a book now. Right. Right.
688
00:48:12,701 --> 00:48:15,381
But yeah, so I asked about how do you, how do you separate that,
689
00:48:15,401 --> 00:48:20,641
that concrete academic part of you from all these different steps of photography?
690
00:48:20,701 --> 00:48:23,061
Now myself, I, I love those steps, right?
691
00:48:23,161 --> 00:48:27,321
Like I get to go out, I get to hold a camera, which is kind of a valuable thing.
692
00:48:27,461 --> 00:48:32,001
I get to line up a shot. I get to look for all these beautiful composition and
693
00:48:32,001 --> 00:48:34,701
I get at home and do the post-processing and blah, blah, blah.
694
00:48:34,701 --> 00:48:41,181
And the posting, that's all fun. And he just wore glasses, and his head was
695
00:48:41,181 --> 00:48:43,741
down while he was listening to me, and he just looked up through his glasses.
696
00:48:43,821 --> 00:48:48,361
He says, I just love it all, which is like the best answer ever.
697
00:48:48,501 --> 00:48:50,401
I'm like, sold. I want to buy a book now.
698
00:48:52,441 --> 00:48:59,561
And it was kind of perfect. So as different as he was, a personality and his
699
00:48:59,561 --> 00:49:06,021
day job and all that kind of stuff, he's this kind of lyrical gentleman with an accent.
700
00:49:06,161 --> 00:49:13,941
You know, with a different accent, who really transmitted his passion and love for photography.
701
00:49:15,267 --> 00:49:19,767
And, and in, in, in that answering that question, you know, there's a connection
702
00:49:19,767 --> 00:49:24,007
between me and him, you know, it's like every step is, is enjoyable.
703
00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:28,367
So do you, do you see, and I don't have the pictures in front of me,
704
00:49:28,387 --> 00:49:33,647
so I can't, I don't know what they are, but can, can you see any connection with his photography?
705
00:49:33,687 --> 00:49:38,587
And then what he does as a, as a pure mathematician, like, or are they, are they very separate?
706
00:49:38,947 --> 00:49:44,327
The old, no, they are, they are separate. The only pictures that are direct
707
00:49:44,327 --> 00:49:47,167
relationship to mathematicians are,
708
00:49:47,347 --> 00:49:52,087
he took a picture of one of his grad students and he took a picture of a prof
709
00:49:52,087 --> 00:49:56,547
at his blackboard with the equations up on the blackboard.
710
00:49:56,867 --> 00:50:00,807
And he says, those are the only two that have a direct relationship with mathematics.
711
00:50:01,707 --> 00:50:06,947
So you look at his pictures and you couldn't, on a list of, if you had to guess
712
00:50:06,947 --> 00:50:10,447
what this guy does for a living, you could probably not guess from the picture. Okay.
713
00:50:10,587 --> 00:50:16,067
That's interesting. And the whole thing is the whole, what's the word I'm looking for?
714
00:50:16,167 --> 00:50:22,447
The conceit of this book is he tells you in the foreword that he's a mathematician
715
00:50:22,447 --> 00:50:25,227
exploring the world through photography.
716
00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:29,907
And what would a guy like me, what kind of pictures would I create?
717
00:50:31,807 --> 00:50:36,887
So, and in that way, you know, you're just, it's the story.
718
00:50:36,887 --> 00:50:41,267
So it's unlike, you know, a zine or something where it's just picture,
719
00:50:41,347 --> 00:50:46,027
picture, picture, picture, and you're left with, you know, your perception and
720
00:50:46,027 --> 00:50:48,867
what you're pouring into the picture as you perceive them.
721
00:50:49,127 --> 00:50:54,567
Here, he's telling you, this is me. These are the pictures I made. This is my story.
722
00:50:55,167 --> 00:50:59,867
And I would say in terms of story too, which he did touch on during his talk,
723
00:51:00,407 --> 00:51:03,907
the pictures are very good storytelling pictures.
724
00:51:04,067 --> 00:51:06,367
They're not just cold, fine art pictures.
725
00:51:07,267 --> 00:51:11,727
There's a lot of texture and, and humanity in the images.
726
00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:18,547
So, so there's, there's a richness there. It's not just his technique or his,
727
00:51:18,607 --> 00:51:24,307
his craft, but he is, he is good at, at discovering and transmitting story.
728
00:51:25,127 --> 00:51:28,167
So I give him all the credit in the world. So I really enjoyed the talk.
729
00:51:28,307 --> 00:51:31,807
I enjoyed the book very much. Yeah. And I'm very happy.
730
00:51:32,247 --> 00:51:36,607
Did he talk anything about the production of the book? Like just the making of it or like why?
731
00:51:36,887 --> 00:51:42,387
He did, he surrendered design of it to a designer in Italy, I believe,
732
00:51:42,507 --> 00:51:44,707
and it was printed in Italy.
733
00:51:44,827 --> 00:51:49,187
And so the paper that it's printed on is apparently ancient,
734
00:51:49,327 --> 00:51:51,567
produced with an ancient process.
735
00:51:52,167 --> 00:51:55,467
And it's very, it's very beautiful. And the tones are.
736
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:59,129
Are amazing and it reeks of ink
737
00:51:59,129 --> 00:52:02,509
which is my favorite oh i love that yeah the reeks the ink
738
00:52:02,509 --> 00:52:08,429
reek the reek ink reek yes yeah so in terms of ticking the boxes for a photo
739
00:52:08,429 --> 00:52:12,309
book it's got and it's got the lay flat binding which i showed you before the
740
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:17,569
uh right before we started the recording so yeah so yeah so the design so a
741
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:21,549
lot of the pictures are like one third two third where
742
00:52:21,749 --> 00:52:25,949
the picture does go over the middle of the book.
743
00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:30,049
And there are others where it's just a catch and throw. There's one frame,
744
00:52:30,129 --> 00:52:37,329
one picture higher on one page and lower on the other side and so on. So just the design of it.
745
00:52:37,409 --> 00:52:41,909
So he was fine with surrendering design of the book to someone else.
746
00:52:42,089 --> 00:52:45,149
And I think it works. I think the book has a good flow and good sequence.
747
00:52:45,529 --> 00:52:48,489
I'll have to look at that. I could use another book for my show.
748
00:52:50,289 --> 00:52:53,089
Last question about this guy just is a technical thing
749
00:52:53,089 --> 00:52:56,429
but you said that he would be making negatives from
750
00:52:56,429 --> 00:52:59,229
digital files did he did he mention anything about how he did that
751
00:52:59,229 --> 00:53:02,209
no he didn't he he my sense
752
00:53:02,209 --> 00:53:05,709
was that much of the crowd that was sitting there were
753
00:53:05,709 --> 00:53:08,849
not well versed in chemical photography to begin
754
00:53:08,849 --> 00:53:11,629
with i see so and the whole idea of the
755
00:53:11,629 --> 00:53:14,269
enlarger and that sort of thing so he kind of
756
00:53:14,269 --> 00:53:17,189
held back the technical deals i didn't think to ask him but
757
00:53:17,189 --> 00:53:20,889
presumably he would have printed
758
00:53:20,889 --> 00:53:23,909
on printed transparency on some kind of inkjet device
759
00:53:23,909 --> 00:53:28,649
with high resolution that's about the size of a negative that would fit in the
760
00:53:28,649 --> 00:53:33,569
carrier and is enlarged yeah i i remember trying to do that a zillion years
761
00:53:33,569 --> 00:53:37,949
ago with inkjet printers and like you know you'd look at the print and you know
762
00:53:37,949 --> 00:53:42,749
because inkjet printers were not so good yeah back then i guess if if that's
763
00:53:42,749 --> 00:53:43,809
That's the technique he's using.
764
00:53:44,732 --> 00:53:48,332
Be really curious to see what the, the end results are. Cause that's such a
765
00:53:48,332 --> 00:53:49,392
nice thing to be able to print.
766
00:53:49,812 --> 00:53:54,152
If you can print a negative on an inkjet printer at a high enough resolution,
767
00:53:54,312 --> 00:54:00,292
and then use that as a, use that as your, your main negative to print a silver
768
00:54:00,292 --> 00:54:01,912
gelatin prints, that'd be kind of cool.
769
00:54:02,112 --> 00:54:06,292
So, all right. To be, to be, to, to be continued in some way.
770
00:54:06,872 --> 00:54:09,032
Yeah. Cool. All right. Nice.
771
00:54:10,632 --> 00:54:14,532
And that's a, that's a nice full couple of days.
772
00:54:14,732 --> 00:54:22,232
Yeah yeah and and you and you had one last thing right well i had i had a couple of things like.
773
00:54:22,932 --> 00:54:26,112
Experiences kind of peak experiences in photography the act
774
00:54:26,112 --> 00:54:29,052
of shooting as opposed to collecting books and i don't
775
00:54:29,052 --> 00:54:32,032
get out enough since i don't work downtown i complain about this
776
00:54:32,032 --> 00:54:35,532
every show i know just to
777
00:54:35,532 --> 00:54:38,272
get out and have an excuse to shoot a couple of things and i think it
778
00:54:38,272 --> 00:54:41,192
was around the time that we recorded last i went to
779
00:54:41,192 --> 00:54:44,612
shoot the pride parade and downtown calgary now that
780
00:54:44,612 --> 00:54:47,312
I've been there once I will always go there it's an
781
00:54:47,312 --> 00:54:50,212
amazing just a human and love and
782
00:54:50,212 --> 00:54:53,632
color and noise and fun and the
783
00:54:53,632 --> 00:54:56,952
Calgary parade that's very open in terms of as
784
00:54:56,952 --> 00:54:59,852
a photographer you can go kind of anywhere you want and I
785
00:54:59,852 --> 00:55:02,772
joked that I could have probably crawled up on a float if I wanted to
786
00:55:02,772 --> 00:55:05,552
and it was just it was
787
00:55:05,552 --> 00:55:08,252
just amazing fun colorful and then you know get at ward
788
00:55:08,252 --> 00:55:11,892
to shoot color yeah like you said one
789
00:55:11,892 --> 00:55:14,852
does not shoot a pride parade in black and white so right
790
00:55:14,852 --> 00:55:18,172
i had to put that bit of ego aside and
791
00:55:18,172 --> 00:55:20,912
work on my color processing i should say
792
00:55:20,912 --> 00:55:25,932
one ought not to one ought not to yeah i do have one image of a gentleman holding
793
00:55:25,932 --> 00:55:32,892
a placard saying you know dad hugs free dad hugs standing with the placard off
794
00:55:32,892 --> 00:55:37,332
his hip so that was that was the only black and and white image that I,
795
00:55:37,332 --> 00:55:39,572
uh, that I took that I felt would work in black and white.
796
00:55:39,972 --> 00:55:43,812
Everything else was in vivid color. So that was one thing that was a lot of
797
00:55:43,812 --> 00:55:46,772
fun. I'm going to do that again every year. I'm going to try and always cover that.
798
00:55:47,172 --> 00:55:53,472
The other thing was a year ago, I was gifted a twin lens reflex. It was a.
799
00:55:54,320 --> 00:56:00,980
There's a Rolacord, what is it, Rolacord 5B from 1959 or 1960.
800
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:07,800
A gentleman was retiring. He was downsizing. And so he was giving away all of
801
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,240
his stuff or selling what he could and the stuff he couldn't.
802
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:17,660
And a friend of mine who was helping him do that said, he's handed me all of his photography stuff.
803
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,060
Would you like it? So I've got digital cameras. I've got all kinds of little
804
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:27,780
things here that, that he also, that I also got, but I think the prize of the
805
00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:29,560
collection is this roller cord.
806
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,320
So it hadn't been used in years and years. So I sent it to a friend of mine
807
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:39,460
who does this is that's his, his, his, what is it? His side hustle. Yeah.
808
00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:45,380
What is it? The word is cleans, lubricates and adjusts old cameras,
809
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:51,040
CLA as the kids call it. So he cleaned it up and that was ready for me a year
810
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,380
ago and I hadn't run any film through it.
811
00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:56,740
And so I decided enough is enough this summer.
812
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,460
Another summer is going to go by and I haven't used this twin lens.
813
00:56:59,540 --> 00:57:03,260
So I put a roll of film in it and I went to a little car show,
814
00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:08,720
little car club show that was celebrating a hundred years of Chrysler products or whatever.
815
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:15,180
So I went there and I just took, shot this roll of Ilford HP5 in a 120.
816
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:18,800
Is a these would use as 120 film and
817
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,860
sent it i didn't do my own processing though
818
00:57:21,860 --> 00:57:24,600
i almost have enough stuff here i probably could have but anyway
819
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,100
sent it to a local lab a young couple have a lab here in the city so sent it
820
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:35,880
to them and pictures came back on friday thursday or friday they they they scanned
821
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,680
the negatives they're gonna they're gonna mail me the negatives physically but
822
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,320
they They did scan them and sent me the scans,
823
00:57:44,540 --> 00:57:49,580
and I did some digital processing on the scans, and they turned out amazing.
824
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:58,140
The lens is sharp. It's providing the coverage that, you know,
825
00:57:58,180 --> 00:58:05,520
the kind of feeling, the twin lens medium format feeling that I missed from my old plastic,
826
00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:08,180
whatever, twin lens that I used to have.
827
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:12,000
And my, my Yashica, I had a Yashica mat, 124 G.
828
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:20,420
And so we printed, I did print, I just processed them in Lightroom and it's amazing.
829
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:26,540
So the gentleman who, who brokered this deal for me to get all of this equipment,
830
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,240
including that camera, he, he, he's a few years older than I am.
831
00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:37,240
And he said, he'd like to get a portrait done of himself for his family. Oh, as a legacy thing.
832
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,720
And I said, well, let's use Lawrence as a gentleman who, who owned this gear originally.
833
00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:48,500
I said, once we get Lawrence's camera figured out and it's good, why don't we use it to,
834
00:58:49,576 --> 00:58:54,676
And now that these pictures have come back and I think I underexposed a bit,
835
00:58:54,736 --> 00:58:57,316
but I, it's word. I always underexpose my film.
836
00:58:58,656 --> 00:59:03,136
So. Well, did you use to underexpose and overdevelop? No, I used to,
837
00:59:03,156 --> 00:59:06,956
I was consistent underexposure, exposure. Okay. Just in general.
838
00:59:07,176 --> 00:59:09,336
You didn't compensate for the overdevelopment. Just add a half stop or a stop.
839
00:59:09,516 --> 00:59:13,436
Yeah. It's just a typical word. You wanted the extra speed in some way.
840
00:59:13,956 --> 00:59:19,596
No, it's just like reading the scene and going, no, I could use another half
841
00:59:19,596 --> 00:59:20,896
a stop. Anyway. All right.
842
00:59:21,076 --> 00:59:27,296
So, so he, so I just pinged him tonight here after I, I had posted the pictures on Instagram.
843
00:59:27,356 --> 00:59:29,696
I said, look, we, these pictures look good.
844
00:59:29,796 --> 00:59:33,096
I think we should go ahead and do this, this portrait thing.
845
00:59:33,216 --> 00:59:39,016
So yeah, between Pride Parade and then now I had to wait three weeks to get
846
00:59:39,016 --> 00:59:41,576
the negative scan because they're a very busy lab.
847
00:59:41,916 --> 00:59:45,696
And so I got them. And so these were all gifts. Like all this stuff happened this weekend.
848
00:59:45,996 --> 00:59:50,016
Wow. Oh, so it all just came to a head. Yeah. I got these two books and I got
849
00:59:50,016 --> 00:59:51,876
these negatives, these negative scans.
850
00:59:52,156 --> 00:59:54,636
And so, yeah, there's a lot going on, man.
851
00:59:55,276 --> 00:59:58,696
I saw the pictures that you're talking about, the ones that you shared with
852
00:59:58,696 --> 01:00:02,016
us. They're very simple. They're just pictures of the front of the car,
853
01:00:02,056 --> 01:00:03,176
detail of the headlights.
854
01:00:04,636 --> 01:00:09,716
They're as much, they don't really cover my love of old cars so much because
855
01:00:09,716 --> 01:00:12,296
I really don't love old cars that much. They're like a taster,
856
01:00:12,376 --> 01:00:18,056
though. Yeah, but there's a lot of chrome and some high contrast and like,
857
01:00:18,116 --> 01:00:19,436
how does the film render it?
858
01:00:19,676 --> 01:00:23,116
There was a little boys about, I don't know, five years old,
859
01:00:23,176 --> 01:00:26,116
six years old, wanted me to take his picture because his dad said,
860
01:00:26,196 --> 01:00:27,776
Oh, you got this old camera, like whatever.
861
01:00:27,976 --> 01:00:30,636
And that little boy saying, can you take my picture? I'm like, sure.
862
01:00:30,896 --> 01:00:35,396
So I got a picture of him holding a Slurpee cup or something in front of one
863
01:00:35,396 --> 01:00:38,396
of these old cars. And so I took that picture.
864
01:00:39,169 --> 01:00:43,429
And just really loving the grain pattern of seeing film and seeing the grain
865
01:00:43,429 --> 01:00:46,409
again. It's, it was good. It looked very special.
866
01:00:46,509 --> 01:00:50,449
It looked like a special shot. The one shot I saw it and I could tell that you,
867
01:00:50,509 --> 01:00:53,669
you made sure that your reflection wasn't being seen in the Chrome.
868
01:00:54,049 --> 01:00:56,689
Yeah. There was some shots looking at us. I wonder if he was like,
869
01:00:56,709 --> 01:00:59,509
and I looked, I was like, oh yeah, you positioned yourself so that you would
870
01:00:59,509 --> 01:01:03,849
be like this amorphous black shape in the Chrome. And I was like, okay.
871
01:01:05,009 --> 01:01:08,109
And you know, I never, I would say never, but in school,
872
01:01:08,209 --> 01:01:11,049
you know, know i was doing mostly 35 i i
873
01:01:11,049 --> 01:01:13,889
didn't do medium format until i was
874
01:01:13,889 --> 01:01:16,549
shooting stock and then i wasn't thinking about it
875
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:19,949
in the terms of like useful like way
876
01:01:19,949 --> 01:01:22,689
to make good art pictures or anything like that it was just
877
01:01:22,689 --> 01:01:25,869
i'm going to make bigger negatives or bigger slides i should say and
878
01:01:25,869 --> 01:01:28,669
and it's it's nice to sort of come back to that now when
879
01:01:28,669 --> 01:01:31,629
i saw your picture i was like boy man i
880
01:01:31,629 --> 01:01:34,329
wish you know of like i kind of wish i had
881
01:01:34,329 --> 01:01:37,429
done this way back when when it was
882
01:01:37,429 --> 01:01:40,249
you know film was cheap in the camera you could have the cameras and
883
01:01:40,249 --> 01:01:43,429
it was just something nice but it's not a nostalgia feeling because
884
01:01:43,429 --> 01:01:46,289
i never really had no that's funny too i didn't think it was nostalgia
885
01:01:46,289 --> 01:01:49,349
i had a bit of nostalgia operating the camera now
886
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:52,469
it's a roll of cord not a roll of flex and so
887
01:01:52,469 --> 01:01:55,709
you advance the film till it stops then you
888
01:01:55,709 --> 01:01:58,549
cock the shutter and then you
889
01:01:58,549 --> 01:02:01,429
release the you know focus do your thing and then you release the
890
01:02:01,429 --> 01:02:04,329
shutter and then you know it's there are
891
01:02:04,329 --> 01:02:07,489
a couple more steps than just winding like on the roloflex
892
01:02:07,489 --> 01:02:10,509
it's got a crank and another thing
893
01:02:10,509 --> 01:02:14,309
too is i went out that's another thing but i've got i've got another yashica
894
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:19,509
matt 124g that i've lent to my son to use and we went out last weekend and shot
895
01:02:19,509 --> 01:02:23,629
some street work but those cameras they have a crank and it does everything
896
01:02:23,629 --> 01:02:28,789
for you it advances the film anacoxa shutter and it's like a modern and mechanism.
897
01:02:29,049 --> 01:02:34,029
But there's that something of lining up and then reaching underneath the lens to cock the shutter.
898
01:02:34,189 --> 01:02:38,369
And there's some kind of classic about it. Yes, it does slow you down,
899
01:02:38,429 --> 01:02:43,969
but you know, my first time using a twin lens reflex in over 30 years, I was going to be slow.
900
01:02:44,589 --> 01:02:49,489
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And the viewfinder, the viewfinder is all backwards,
901
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:51,249
right? The viewfinder is, yeah.
902
01:02:51,309 --> 01:02:54,429
You turn the camera to the right and the view goes to the left.
903
01:02:54,529 --> 01:02:59,009
Yeah. Right. But I see my friend Gary, when he CLA'd it, he actually,
904
01:02:59,089 --> 01:03:05,049
he looks like he put in a Fresnel lens finder window or finder glass in there.
905
01:03:05,129 --> 01:03:06,289
So it's brighter? So it's brighter.
906
01:03:06,489 --> 01:03:11,449
Yeah. It's very bright. Image is very bright. So. Yeah. It's very happy to see that. And grid lines.
907
01:03:11,549 --> 01:03:14,929
It's got grid lines on it. So. Oh, nice. Helps you with the, helps you.
908
01:03:15,429 --> 01:03:19,869
Which is funny too, when you tip the horizon and when Tom, my son Thomas and
909
01:03:19,869 --> 01:03:22,529
I were out shooting, you know, you tip the horizon.
910
01:03:22,569 --> 01:03:24,669
It's like, whoa, it's getting worse. It's sort of like. I know.
911
01:03:25,289 --> 01:03:29,829
I'm getting seasick with this thing. And then I shot up a building.
912
01:03:30,189 --> 01:03:34,749
Oh my God. Trying to shoot up a building. This was in, this was this last weekend.
913
01:03:34,989 --> 01:03:37,369
And then trying to get the top of the building to be vertical.
914
01:03:38,377 --> 01:03:43,557
And I thought to myself, and then the voice said, twist from the hips.
915
01:03:44,037 --> 01:03:49,737
Okay, now I'm getting it right. It's not moving the camera, yawing it left and
916
01:03:49,737 --> 01:03:51,277
right. It's twisting at the hip.
917
01:03:51,397 --> 01:03:54,437
That's how you get it to line up. What do you mean twist from the hips?
918
01:03:54,657 --> 01:03:58,897
When you're pointing the camera up and the top of the building,
919
01:03:58,957 --> 01:04:04,537
you want to be like, you know, a few millimeters parallel to the frame.
920
01:04:05,697 --> 01:04:11,637
And it doesn't seem to line up, right? And so in order to get it to line up,
921
01:04:11,677 --> 01:04:17,117
you have to turn the camera, but you turn the camera in the wrong orientation, right?
922
01:04:17,357 --> 01:04:21,977
You want to, you want to turn it in your hands like it's a steering wheel.
923
01:04:22,017 --> 01:04:23,137
No, no, no, that's not right.
924
01:04:23,217 --> 01:04:30,377
You want to turn at your hip so that it's, you know, so that you're changing on a different axis.
925
01:04:31,217 --> 01:04:36,397
Okay. Oh, maybe that was driving me crazy. It was like a minute of like,
926
01:04:36,477 --> 01:04:38,317
what the hell am I doing wrong here?
927
01:04:39,097 --> 01:04:43,037
And my son is standing there. He's got it all figured out. He knows what he's doing.
928
01:04:43,077 --> 01:04:47,917
He's shooting his pictures of detritus and Mylar balloons blown out on the street.
929
01:04:47,957 --> 01:04:49,437
And he's got color and I got black and white.
930
01:04:49,497 --> 01:04:52,497
And we're doing our thing. But I'm like, God, I just...
931
01:04:53,672 --> 01:04:57,552
I got a digital picture of this very same composition, but I don't have it in square.
932
01:04:57,712 --> 01:05:01,652
And this will be a great way for me to get it right. And I went to all the trouble
933
01:05:01,652 --> 01:05:03,592
of trying to calculate the exposure and everything.
934
01:05:03,712 --> 01:05:07,052
And I'm like, God, it's not lining up. And I'm like, twist.
935
01:05:07,232 --> 01:05:10,672
I just heard this voice run. I twist from the hip. Okay.
936
01:05:10,952 --> 01:05:15,732
There we go now. Oh, there we go. And it's like, I got reached down to the shutter
937
01:05:15,732 --> 01:05:17,432
release and make sure I kept it steady.
938
01:05:17,632 --> 01:05:21,892
Yeah. You know, cause it's not, you know, thankfully it's not a lot of effort
939
01:05:21,892 --> 01:05:24,872
to trip the shutter on that thing. You should get, you should get a cable release
940
01:05:24,872 --> 01:05:27,092
for it so you don't have to reach over. Well, I'm going to, well,
941
01:05:27,152 --> 01:05:30,412
I've got a cable, I've got cable releases, so I'll use that for on the portrait session.
942
01:05:30,652 --> 01:05:33,412
Yeah. It's just easier than not having to reach under because then you don't
943
01:05:33,412 --> 01:05:37,192
screw around with the camera. Yeah. You've got this, the trigger, or you can even tape.
944
01:05:37,692 --> 01:05:43,612
I remember seeing one, somebody had like gaff taped the, the cable release to the side of the camera.
945
01:05:44,052 --> 01:05:48,072
Yeah. So I could do that. But it was just in that particular circumstance holding
946
01:05:48,072 --> 01:05:50,692
the camera awkwardly. Yeah. It's usually not a problem, but.
947
01:05:50,952 --> 01:05:54,852
Yeah. You know, but. It is an interesting experience if you've not done it in
948
01:05:54,852 --> 01:05:59,192
a long time and you're trying to, like, I remember when I took out my Minolta
949
01:05:59,192 --> 01:06:03,472
cord and I was just, even just like the tilting back and forth and like, whoa.
950
01:06:03,712 --> 01:06:06,652
And you talk about getting car, you know, seasick. It's like, yes.
951
01:06:06,892 --> 01:06:11,112
And it seems like such a simple thing. It's like, all you have to do is tilt
952
01:06:11,112 --> 01:06:13,972
the camera in this way. And you don't.
953
01:06:15,432 --> 01:06:19,092
Anyway, it's funny because I'm standing there. I imagine you're the same.
954
01:06:19,152 --> 01:06:21,772
You're just looking at this thing and you're like, what the hell am I doing wrong?
955
01:06:22,372 --> 01:06:25,572
Why is it not working? And why do I feel ill anyway?
956
01:06:28,012 --> 01:06:33,732
Well, that's cool. You're inspiring me to, I mean, I still have,
957
01:06:33,752 --> 01:06:37,212
I'll show you this little bag. Oh yeah, with 120.
958
01:06:38,072 --> 01:06:44,372
Yeah. Those are exposed? Yeah. There's eight rolls here and I got one roll and
959
01:06:44,372 --> 01:06:46,812
a camera, maybe two rolls and a camera that I haven't finished yet.
960
01:06:48,292 --> 01:06:49,792
And there's a local...
961
01:06:50,765 --> 01:06:54,225
There's a local processing place in my neighborhood. Not, not quite,
962
01:06:54,345 --> 01:06:57,105
but it's like on fifth Avenue and the 18th street.
963
01:06:57,165 --> 01:07:02,205
So I can drive over there and I want to do that because I want to support a
964
01:07:02,205 --> 01:07:04,345
local processing place.
965
01:07:04,505 --> 01:07:08,965
And someone told me that they're very good. So you got me sort of hyped up to
966
01:07:08,965 --> 01:07:09,805
say, I should probably draw.
967
01:07:09,845 --> 01:07:12,765
This film has been sitting around for a while. So can we plug these labs?
968
01:07:12,945 --> 01:07:16,445
Cause I would like to, I can't plug this lab, right? You can plug your lab.
969
01:07:16,525 --> 01:07:18,785
I can't, I don't know the name of mine yet, but I will. When I,
970
01:07:18,785 --> 01:07:21,045
when I process it, You tell me the name of your lab.
971
01:07:21,085 --> 01:07:25,705
Mine's called Neat Film Lab and they're in the Inglewood neighborhood of Calgary
972
01:07:25,705 --> 01:07:31,105
and it's a young couple, Haley and Louie, and they're going great guns.
973
01:07:31,205 --> 01:07:35,285
I wish them all the best. And it's nice to have, they do black and white.
974
01:07:35,345 --> 01:07:37,765
They do C41 and they do E6.
975
01:07:38,365 --> 01:07:45,565
Okay. And so that, and that's black and white, color negative and color transparency, ectochrome.
976
01:07:46,365 --> 01:07:49,545
So. E6 processing. E6 processing. Yeah.
977
01:07:49,825 --> 01:07:54,805
Yeah. Send me the link and I'll put it in the show notes. All right. Okay, cool.
978
01:07:55,265 --> 01:08:00,445
All right. I think, uh, my, my watch just buzzed me and it said time to,
979
01:08:00,525 --> 01:08:05,605
uh, time to reflect on time to reflect on the show that you've just recorded.
980
01:08:05,865 --> 01:08:10,005
So let's, let's tell the world. Oh, anyway, first, thanks.
981
01:08:10,085 --> 01:08:14,245
This was glad we got to talk about books like this. It's a nice sort of Sunday
982
01:08:14,245 --> 01:08:20,305
afternoon, evening thing to, to talk about. So I hope everybody who's listening
983
01:08:20,305 --> 01:08:22,485
is enjoying, enjoys this as well.
984
01:08:22,565 --> 01:08:26,225
And, and you know what, if there are books or photographers you guys know about
985
01:08:26,225 --> 01:08:28,505
that we don't know about, just drop us a line.
986
01:08:28,545 --> 01:08:31,765
I'd be really curious to be able to feel like, you know, we've got this network
987
01:08:31,765 --> 01:08:33,305
of people out there listening to the show.
988
01:08:33,325 --> 01:08:37,445
It'd be great to, you know, hear what photographers they're into and,
989
01:08:37,485 --> 01:08:41,225
and, and, and sort of bring them into our sphere of influence,
990
01:08:41,405 --> 01:08:45,165
you know, just to, to, you know, so we can discover them as well.
991
01:08:45,285 --> 01:08:51,445
So I would say send, drop us a line. So anyway, Ward, where, where are we?
992
01:08:51,645 --> 01:08:53,765
Where, where's the world finding you these days?
993
01:08:54,025 --> 01:08:59,405
Well, on Vero and X, formerly known as Twitter, I am at W Rosin photo Instagram.
994
01:08:59,605 --> 01:09:05,485
I'm at, at Ward Rosin fine art, which by the way, those car pictures that I took are posted there.
995
01:09:05,985 --> 01:09:09,065
Ah, okay. I put, I put a soundtrack on it.
996
01:09:09,105 --> 01:09:14,265
I put, uh, the, um, the roadrunner song from the cartoon. Okay.
997
01:09:15,225 --> 01:09:18,665
Cause one of the cars in the, in this sequence, I think, as a roadrunner.
998
01:09:18,745 --> 01:09:23,045
As a roadrunner? Yeah. Yeah. On Facebook, you can find me at Ward Rosin Photo.
999
01:09:23,505 --> 01:09:25,525
My website is rosin.ca.
1000
01:09:26,045 --> 01:09:28,065
And I promise one of these days we're going to...
1001
01:09:29,151 --> 01:09:32,031
Put up most of my street work and my film work.
1002
01:09:32,591 --> 01:09:37,191
Cause I have a feeling there'll be more film work coming and our unofficial
1003
01:09:37,191 --> 01:09:38,931
sponsors or an official sponsor.
1004
01:09:39,171 --> 01:09:43,251
Yeah. Our unofficial sponsor. And I am working, trying to build relationships
1005
01:09:43,251 --> 01:09:48,091
with other manufacturers outside of seven artisans and photo deox,
1006
01:09:48,111 --> 01:09:51,591
although they're, they are great partners to work, to work with,
1007
01:09:51,671 --> 01:09:57,731
but I'm trying to expand that reach and market and, and hopefully generate some more sales.
1008
01:09:58,171 --> 01:10:02,691
So that's it for me, my friend Antonio. Where can we find you in the Internet?
1009
01:10:02,951 --> 01:10:07,611
Oh, and I do want to mention that it's ornis.photo.
1010
01:10:08,671 --> 01:10:12,291
So just make sure you get that address in there. You know what?
1011
01:10:12,331 --> 01:10:14,011
I'm going to skip a lot of my stuff.
1012
01:10:14,811 --> 01:10:19,551
All right. Well, no, I'm going to say Instagram would be the place to look for
1013
01:10:19,551 --> 01:10:20,671
when I post on Instagram.
1014
01:10:22,151 --> 01:10:26,791
So my Instagram account is amrizariophoto. My website is amrizario.com.
1015
01:10:27,931 --> 01:10:31,711
But you know we've been getting a lot of we've getting a lot of traction on
1016
01:10:31,711 --> 01:10:36,231
substack because we've been posting a couple of articles lately so i kind of
1017
01:10:36,231 --> 01:10:38,791
want to lean people towards me
1018
01:10:39,231 --> 01:10:41,951
to go to our substack i think that's going to be a
1019
01:10:41,951 --> 01:10:44,711
nice place to sort of hang out so go check
1020
01:10:44,711 --> 01:10:52,891
out our stuff substack at streetshots.substack.com all right uh you guys know
1021
01:10:52,891 --> 01:10:56,171
where you can find me in other places but i really like to build up the substack
1022
01:10:56,171 --> 01:11:00,831
community It's a nice little it's growing nicely there and I like what I see
1023
01:11:00,831 --> 01:11:02,771
about other people what other people are doing with I.
1024
01:11:03,576 --> 01:11:08,896
Community and just sort of the social aspect of Substack. So I think I'm just
1025
01:11:08,896 --> 01:11:10,516
going to lean towards pushing that a little bit more.
1026
01:11:10,656 --> 01:11:13,816
So go check that out. I owe you a couple of articles probably.
1027
01:11:14,256 --> 01:11:19,376
You can do whatever you can. Yeah, as the weather closes in,
1028
01:11:19,516 --> 01:11:22,136
I'll be inspired to write some stuff down.
1029
01:11:22,576 --> 01:11:26,436
I also like summing up our, you know, taking this podcast too and turning a
1030
01:11:26,436 --> 01:11:29,736
little bit of it into an article. Well, the Vivian Meyer discussion,
1031
01:11:29,856 --> 01:11:33,816
I think, has really generated some interest. And I really like your article about it, too.
1032
01:11:34,296 --> 01:11:37,556
Yeah. So I'm going to keep doing that. So that's good.
1033
01:11:38,136 --> 01:11:42,976
If you want to leave us a voicemail, you can do it at speakpipe.com slash streetshots.
1034
01:11:43,076 --> 01:11:50,316
You can leave us a little 30, 40, 90 second street thing, you know, voicemail.
1035
01:11:50,316 --> 01:11:59,256
And, you know, if you want to emulate our, you know, our honorary producer,
1036
01:11:59,516 --> 01:12:08,836
Tim, you can support us by buying us a coffee at buymeacoffee.com slash Antonio Rosario.
1037
01:12:09,196 --> 01:12:15,576
So thanks again to Tim. And he's our honorary producer for this episode.
1038
01:12:15,716 --> 01:12:20,496
I'm really happy. That's really fun to be able to say that. So, yeah.
1039
01:12:21,096 --> 01:12:25,176
Yeah. Yeah. So, so that's it. We're, we're good. We actually,
1040
01:12:25,196 --> 01:12:27,796
we actually had a show tonight.
1041
01:12:28,116 --> 01:12:32,096
I'm always, I'm always happy when we can find something to talk about for a
1042
01:12:32,096 --> 01:12:33,656
while and I'm hoping everybody finds it interesting.
1043
01:12:33,756 --> 01:12:36,816
Anyway, I'm, I'm, I'm already now in chatty mode, so I got to stop.
1044
01:12:39,236 --> 01:12:44,116
All right, everybody. So we'll see you guys at the end of September and Ward.
1045
01:12:44,196 --> 01:12:46,416
Thanks for joining me tonight. Always a pleasure.
1046
01:12:46,996 --> 01:12:52,196
Yeah. And to everybody, Everybody have a good rest of the September and see
1047
01:12:52,196 --> 01:12:54,336
you in a couple of weeks. We'll see you. Good night.
1048
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:04,084
Music.